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| thinrichs | Hi all | 00:02 |
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| thinrichs | Time for the Congress meeting | 00:02 |
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| ekcs | hi | 00:02 |
| thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 00:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 26 00:02:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 00:02 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: hi | 00:02 |
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| thinrichs | Who else is here for Congress? | 00:02 |
| ramineni | hi | 00:02 |
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| thinrichs | It's possible there are some US people missing b/c tomorrow is a holiday. | 00:03 |
| alexsyip | Hi | 00:03 |
| thinrichs | Here's my agenda for today… | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | 1. gate issues | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | 2. distributed arch status | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | 3. python3 status | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | 4. midcycle meetup | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | 5. installer issues | 00:04 |
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| thinrichs | Anything else? | 00:05 |
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| thinrichs | Let's get started. | 00:05 |
| thinrichs | #topic gate issues | 00:05 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni: thanks for fixing the gate breakages! | 00:06 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni: are they all fixed at this point? | 00:06 |
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| ramineni | thinrichs: yes :) | 00:06 |
| ramineni | thinrichs: but we have to fix in syable branches | 00:06 |
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| ramineni | thinrichs: because of the plugin model, we are breaking stable branches | 00:07 |
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| ramineni | thinrichs: i think we have to use plugin model only if its master in project-config | 00:07 |
| thinrichs | ramineni: right. I guess we need different devstack jobs for the older branches | 00:07 |
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| ramineni | thinrichs: yes, | 00:07 |
| masahito | Hi! sorry, i'm late. | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | ramineni: are you comfortable doing that? You've been doing great modifying project-config so far! | 00:08 |
| ramineni | thinrichs: other projects used if ZUUL_BRANCH , option , Ill check that , to include in asme job | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | masahito: hi! We're talking about the gate breakages that ramineni has been fixing. | 00:08 |
| ramineni | thinrichs: yes, I will check | 00:08 |
| masahito | thinrichs: got it. thanks. | 00:09 |
| thinrichs | ramineni: I'd lean toward having a couple of separately specified and simple jobs, rather than one large, complex job | 00:09 |
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| thinrichs | For example, I'd probably pull the old devstack job out of git, rename it as a new job, and use that job for the older branches | 00:09 |
| ramineni | thinrichs: so we will have seperate job for kilo and liberty? | 00:09 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni: that's probably the simplest to maintain going forward. | 00:10 |
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| ramineni | thinrichs: ya , that should work , we will disable tempest on them anyway right | 00:10 |
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| thinrichs | What I don't understand though is whether that will work given that they're disabling the old way of doing things at Mitaka1 | 00:10 |
| ramineni | thinrichs: yes, iḿ wondering too, they use devstack master branch everytime | 00:11 |
| thinrichs | If devstack gate suddenly stops supporting the mechanism where we copy files from congress into devstack, having a job that does that for kilo/liberty won't work | 00:11 |
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| ramineni | thinrichs: yes, ill check that , may be infra team should be able to help right | 00:12 |
| ramineni | ? | 00:12 |
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| thinrichs | Do they expect us to backport the devstack plugin mechanism to all the old branches? | 00:12 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni: great! The infra team will definitely know the answer. | 00:12 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni: let me know if you need help | 00:12 |
| ramineni | thinrichs: if devstack also uses stable branches , it shouldnt be problem | 00:13 |
| ramineni | thinrichs: sure, will check | 00:13 |
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| thinrichs | That's true. They supposedly check out the proper branches for devstack and the other systems. So it might just work. | 00:13 |
| thinrichs | As for the gate breakages, I tried to go through and recheck them all earlier today. | 00:14 |
| thinrichs | So hopefully the -1s from Jenkins are real again. | 00:14 |
| thinrichs | Anything else for the gate breakages? | 00:14 |
| thinrichs | Next up: distributed architecture | 00:15 |
| ramineni | thinrichs: till yesteday , it wa ok . i havent checked after that | 00:15 |
| ekcs | I see some -1’s turning to 1 after recheck. | 00:15 |
| thinrichs | Almost forgot... | 00:16 |
| thinrichs | #action ramineni will work on devstack gating for kilo/liberty branches | 00:16 |
| thinrichs | #topic distributed arch | 00:16 |
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| thinrichs | pballand, masahito: how is the DseNode work progressing? | 00:16 |
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| masahito | Isn't pballand in here? | 00:17 |
| ekcs | masahito: doesn’t seem like it. | 00:18 |
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| masahito | Ok. We figured out the cause of the problem pballand hit last meeting. | 00:19 |
| thinrichs | I see 2 reviews on DseNode, but both are marked as WIP: | 00:20 |
| thinrichs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247232/ | 00:20 |
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| masahito | It looks like oslo.message's bug or a constraint for the fake driver. | 00:20 |
| thinrichs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247231/ | 00:20 |
| thinrichs | masahito: what do you mean by "constraint" | 00:20 |
| thinrichs | ? | 00:20 |
| masahito | constraint means that oslo.message usually support multi message-topic but the fake driver which is designed for testing doesn't support multi message topic. | 00:22 |
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| masahito | I'm not sure whether this is on purpose by oslo team or not. so I used "constraint". | 00:23 |
| thinrichs | masahito: understood. So if we're relying on a feature that the fake driver doesn't have, it sounds like we should either (i) add that feature to the fake driver or (ii) not use the fake driver to unit test. | 00:24 |
| masahito | thinrichs: right. | 00:24 |
| ekcs | masahito: how can we find out whether it’s a bug or a limit by design? | 00:25 |
| thinrichs | I'll talk with pballand offline to figure out what he's planning here. | 00:25 |
| masahito | pballand tries to use name space instead of topic in the message now. | 00:25 |
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| ekcs | thinrichs: got it. | 00:26 |
| masahito | ekcs: We can ask it oslo teams and read codes in github too :) | 00:27 |
| thinrichs | masahito: are you saying there is a simple fix here? | 00:27 |
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| masahito | thinrichs: I'm not sure the details of the bug itself, but oslo has 2 layer about the message. | 00:28 |
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| thinrichs | #action thinrichs will talk with pballand offline | 00:29 |
| masahito | thinrichs: topic and namespace. pballand used topic to divide control bus but the driver doesn't work well. now trying another one. | 00:30 |
| thinrichs | masahito: sounds like the right approach to me | 00:30 |
| thinrichs | Let's move on, esp. since pballand isn't here. | 00:31 |
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| thinrichs | #topic python3 status | 00:31 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: how are we doing? | 00:31 |
| ekcs | The datalog bits are ready for review: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248946/ | 00:31 |
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| ekcs | I’m now working on the other bits. Most remaining errors are in datasources and api. But I think it’ll be relatively smooth saling after datalog, which was the hardest part. | 00:32 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: Great! I'll try to review that after the meeting. | 00:34 |
| thinrichs | BTW I should mention that I'm on vacation tomorrow through next Tuesday. I'll be trying to make it a proper vacation and only do urgent work. So I probably won't review or merge code until Wed next week. | 00:35 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: got it. | 00:36 |
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| ekcs | anyway that’s all I have on py3 for now. | 00:36 |
| ekcs | reviews appreciated. | 00:36 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: thanks! It'll be good to get us moved over finally. | 00:36 |
| thinrichs | #topic mid-cycle meetup | 00:37 |
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| thinrichs | Has anyone thought about the topics we might cover during the mid-cycle meetup? | 00:37 |
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| ekcs | thinrichs: I thought the topics suggessed last time sound good. | 00:39 |
| thinrichs | Last time we thought about discussing (i) distributed arch, (ii) how to apply the distributed arch for HA, (iii) integration with monasca | 00:39 |
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| ekcs | right, and potentially generalizing iii. | 00:40 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: right. | 00:40 |
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| thinrichs | So that'll be the topic unless someone suggests something else in the time between now and the summit. | 00:41 |
| thinrichs | #topic installation issues | 00:41 |
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| thinrichs | bryan_att and I spent a good amount of time trying to get the ansible installer working for Congress for an existing OpenStack installation | 00:42 |
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| thinrichs | I haven't heard if he was successful | 00:43 |
| bryan_att | hi thinrichs, just saw that | 00:43 |
| thinrichs | bryan_att: did you ever get that working? | 00:43 |
| bryan_att | meant to join the call but working on the ansible installer still | 00:43 |
| bryan_att | i got it to work thru at least once | 00:43 |
| bryan_att | but a number of issues with python packages, e.g. oslo | 00:43 |
| thinrichs | It was clear that we should spend some time making the installer rock-solid for people. | 00:44 |
| bryan_att | that would be great | 00:44 |
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| bryan_att | i plan to develop puppet and fuel plugins to install it | 00:44 |
| dims | bryan_att : folks over at #openstack-oslo can help with any oslo issues | 00:44 |
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| thinrichs | bryan_att: when you get something working if you could contribute it to the repo, that'd be great! | 00:44 |
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| bryan_att | sure will, also my test driver webapp | 00:45 |
| bryan_att | allows you to explore the api interactively | 00:45 |
| thinrichs | bryan_att: fuel/puppet plugins would ge great too! | 00:45 |
| bryan_att | ok, figured most folks were on holiday, but I'll send a message if I get really stuck | 00:46 |
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| bryan_att | what's the latest stable version based upon, liberty or kilo? | 00:47 |
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| thinrichs | bryan_att: We're definitely going on holiday. | 00:47 |
| bryan_att | OPNFV is getting near to having liberty included in their B release, so I will be moving to that asap. it will i hope address the python lib issues | 00:47 |
| thinrichs | bryan_att: that sounds good. Kilo is tough to support at this point. It was our first actual release. | 00:48 |
| bryan_att | good, thanks | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | That does it for my agenda today. | 00:50 |
| thinrichs | #topic open discussion | 00:50 |
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| thinrichs | Anyone have anything else? | 00:50 |
| bryan_att | one item - about datalog features | 00:50 |
| bryan_att | any plans to support pattern matching for string values? | 00:50 |
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| thinrichs | bryan_att: you mean regexp matching? | 00:51 |
| bryan_att | e.g. to create a rule that is specific to a VM/image or class of them, using a name rather than the IDs | 00:51 |
| bryan_att | not necessarily regexp, but starting easy with string match or substring | 00:51 |
| bryan_att | with some simple wildcards | 00:52 |
| bryan_att | but if regexp comes easy, why not | 00:52 |
| thinrichs | bryan_att: exact string matching is already there. no wildcards. string manipulation is there too. | 00:52 |
| thinrichs | Just string-concatenation and string-length support today | 00:52 |
| bryan_att | so if I as able to assign IDs that had some semantic value, I could do a substring match? | 00:53 |
| thinrichs | I don't think regexps would be too tough, at least checking whether a string matches a regexp | 00:53 |
| bryan_att | I'll write up what I am thinking of and send to the list | 00:53 |
| thinrichs | You could construct new strings from existing strings (either in the data or hard-coded in the policy) and check if the new string is equal to say the name of a server. | 00:54 |
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| thinrichs | But you can't check if a string contains within it some substring. | 00:54 |
| thinrichs | Sending to the ML is a great idea. | 00:54 |
| bryan_att | will do | 00:55 |
| thinrichs | Anything else for today? | 00:56 |
| thinrichs | Let's call it then. | 00:56 |
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| thinrichs | Happy Thanksgiving and safe travels for those of you on the road this weekend! | 00:57 |
| thinrichs | #endmeeting | 00:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 26 00:57:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-11-26-00.02.html | 00:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-11-26-00.02.txt | 00:57 |
| ekcs | see you guys then! | 00:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-11-26-00.02.log.html | 00:57 |
| masahito | bye! | 00:57 |
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| su_zhang | is congress meeting ongoing? | 01:34 |
| thinrichs | su_zhang: it's an hour earlier (from 4-5p Pacific) since daylight savings happened | 01:34 |
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| andreykurilin | o/ | 14:06 |
| bauzas | hurrah | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, thats looking better | 14:06 |
| dguitarbite | o/ | 14:06 |
| raildo | o/ | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting nova | 14:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 26 14:06:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:06 |
| markus_z | o/ | 14:06 |
| gcb | o/ | 14:06 |
| nagyz | o/ | 14:07 |
| dguitarbite | o/ | 14:07 |
| kaisers | hi | 14:07 |
| PaulMurray | o/ | 14:07 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:07 |
| andrearosa | hi | 14:07 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:07 |
| gibi | o/ | 14:07 |
| llu | o/ | 14:07 |
| jichen | o/ | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | so happy thanksgiving to everyone who isn't here | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets get started | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Release status | 14:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #info Mitaka-1 is likely to be tagged on Tuesday, 1st December | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info Spec freeze is on Thursday, 3rd December | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | so its a good time to look out for major bugs that would stop us tagging | 14:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | although better still, make sure everything you care about is well tested in our CI systems | 14:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so... specs | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | we have a few specless BPs in the etherpad | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking | 14:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Ok, seems like no objections there | 14:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | will approve those on Monday, if there are no objections | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Regular Reminders | 14:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lets focus on these code reviews: | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs | 14:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | markus_z: how are we doing? | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | lots to triage, I believe? | 14:11 |
| markus_z | yeah, that's the short version. | 14:12 |
| markus_z | I'll do a first skimming Monday morning | 14:12 |
| markus_z | A lot of ancient open bugs, I don't yet know how to tackle them | 14:12 |
| markus_z | we would need a bug contact for network and db | 14:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I guess we just have network, and not nova-network vs neutron? | 14:13 |
| bauzas | markus_z: well, bugs that are 2 cycles old seem pretty hard to work on | 14:13 |
| bauzas | because of all the changes | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | we do have the bug expiry idea/thingy? | 14:13 |
| bauzas | for Invalid only AFAIK | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | not sure when that kicks in | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah | 14:13 |
| markus_z | bauzas: true | 14:13 |
| markus_z | incomplete without assignee for 60 days + | 14:14 |
| bauzas | so we could ask for reproducing again | 14:14 |
| bauzas | by putting them incomplete | 14:14 |
| bauzas | but that sounds a little harsh | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | honestly, most folks will have moved on by then, but yeah, we could do with something | 14:14 |
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| bauzas | but we need to be sure that the problem is still present on a supported release | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, thinking caps to solve that | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | its seems the third part ci watcher is down | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | so no news there | 14:15 |
| bauzas | like we could gently close the very old bugs and say "if that's still present on master/liberty, please reopen the bug" | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:15 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, +1 | 14:15 |
| markus_z | bauzas: yeah, I think that's a fair approach | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | it feels bad, but its better than a pile we just leave alone | 14:15 |
| bauzas | that's my point | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic stuck reviews | 14:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so we have some links added here | 14:16 |
| bauzas | we need to get more insight from ops about what really doesn't work | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239798/ | 14:16 |
| bauzas | but yeah moving on | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | spec: Encryption support for rbd-backed volumes | 14:16 |
| nagyz | I can sum that up if you want me to | 14:16 |
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| nagyz | in order to encrypt RBD, we have to go via the hypervisor's kernel (just as we do for iSCSI/FC) | 14:17 |
| nagyz | but the current non-encrypted rbd case is not touching the hypervisor, as qemu has native rbd support | 14:17 |
| bauzas | unfortunately, mriedem should be eating some food now | 14:17 |
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| nagyz | danpb said that he is working on native qemu encryption expected to hit around Nxxx in qemu trunk | 14:17 |
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| nagyz | everybody agreed that that's the way to go forward, but it will take 6-12 months for that trunk to trickle down to distros | 14:18 |
| danpb | the core issue is that there are 2 RBD clients - one in QEMU and one in the kernel | 14:18 |
| nagyz | the code has been implemented before the liberty release and was shown to make the encrypted rbd test cases work | 14:18 |
| danpb | Nova uses the one in QEMU because it is better in essentially every way | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | there are a lot of un answered questions from mriedem in the spec as well | 14:18 |
| nagyz | johnthetubaguy, I think tha latest spec answers every question that we had in the comments | 14:19 |
| danpb | I really don't want to see Nova silently switching to a completely different RBD storage driver when a encrypted=true flag is set | 14:19 |
| nagyz | we could make it something that needs to be explicitly enabled and add the warning to the documentation | 14:19 |
| nagyz | it wouldn't be silent | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | nagyz: ah, OK, I didn't see anything in the comments, my bad | 14:19 |
| danpb | as that is going to impose a support burden on nova maintainers, openstack vendors and cloud administrators alike | 14:19 |
| nagyz | and currently the encryption support is just not there for rbd at all. we had to disable the tests in gate even for these scenarios | 14:20 |
| danpb | and we're already seen from the ongoing race conditions & bugs we have dealing with lvm & iscsi that working with the in-kernel clients is a serious maintenance burden | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | nagyz: agreed, we don't support encryption + rbd | 14:20 |
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| nagyz | rbd mapping is a lot more simple than iscsi/fc | 14:21 |
| nagyz | *simpler | 14:21 |
| bauzas | danpb: agreed, that sounds really confusing that we could call 2 different drivers based on a conf flag which is not about that | 14:21 |
| danpb | I fully agree that we need to have encryption for *all* storage drivers, but I really question why it is urgent to solve in Mitaka when the solution has a bad technical architecture | 14:21 |
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| bauzas | +1 | 14:21 |
| danpb | and we have a clear path towards a desired good technical architecture which is viable in the next release | 14:21 |
| danpb | that will work for *all* storage drivers, not merely RBD | 14:22 |
| nagyz | so it's better to not have encryption for ceph at all until Oxxx or Pxxxx? | 14:22 |
| nagyz | as the in-qemu encryption will start hitting distros around that | 14:22 |
| danpb | nagyz: the next release is Nxxx | 14:22 |
| nagyz | yes, I'm aware | 14:22 |
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| danpb | nagyz: the QEMU support will hit community distros before Nxx is even released | 14:22 |
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| bauzas | nagyz: creating technical debt for something which would be changed in 2 cycles sounds really wrong to me | 14:23 |
| nagyz | but just because qemu trunk has the code during the Nxxx release, the nova/openstack part won't be there suddenly | 14:23 |
| danpb | nagyz: enterprise distros can choose to backport it if they so desire the feature urgently | 14:23 |
| alex_xu | bauzas: +1 | 14:23 |
| nagyz | bauzas, it's a simple extension to how currently iSCSI/FC works... are those technical debts as well then? | 14:23 |
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| danpb | nagyz: it is *not* a simple extension of how iSCSI currently works | 14:24 |
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| nagyz | I agree that having in-qemu down the line makes a lot of sense, no argument there | 14:24 |
| nagyz | but it's simply not going to happen for a long while | 14:24 |
| bauzas | I like danpb's approach of having a single abstraction for all our storage drivers, so yes | 14:24 |
| danpb | nagyz: you are changing from the in-QEMU RBD to the in-kernel RBD driver which is a bad plan | 14:24 |
| nagyz | for a case that's currently not even supported and you just get nice exceptions all around as operators... | 14:24 |
| danpb | as we've seen how unstable it is to deal with the in-kernel drivers for SCSI/FC | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I think its better to have a reliable feature we can maintain, it seems like there is a route to make that happen during N, and right now we already have more blueprints than we can possible merge in M, it seems better to focus on other things for M | 14:25 |
| * danpb doesn't really have anything more to add - i'm -1 on anything that switches nova to use in-kernel RBD driver - if other nova-cores feel strongly to approve it regardless go ahead | 14:26 | |
| nagyz | just for the record: this won't be ready and supported in N besides trunk in any distros... I have a beer to bet on that. | 14:26 |
| * nagyz has nothing more to add as well | 14:26 | |
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| bauzas | so I think we can move on ? | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | nagyz: I guess we are saying its easier to backport QEMU to get the feature than fix all the bugs the other route has | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:27 |
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| nagyz | so no encryption for 60%+ userbase. | 14:27 |
| nagyz | roger | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184537/ | 14:28 |
| andrearosa | that's mine | 14:28 |
| bauzas | is it nova-manage calling the RPC API ? | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think this is where I am a bit worried about the long term maintainance | 14:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | didn't see your reply on that till just now | 14:29 |
| andrearosa | bauzas: yes | 14:29 |
| andrearosa | I am not fully convinced of changing the nvoa code | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | code: Nova-manage command for cleaning volume attachment | 14:29 |
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| andrearosa | adding a new param which is used jsut nova-mangage | 14:29 |
| bauzas | mmm, was there a spec ? | 14:29 |
| andrearosa | that is my only concern | 14:29 |
| andrearosa | bauzas: it was a very long spec | 14:30 |
| bauzas | my concern is also having nova-manage calling the message queue | 14:30 |
| bauzas | I thought it was not something accepted | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the compute.api.py I see as the facade to trigger all compute actions, its primary user is the REST API code | 14:30 |
| bauzas | that I agree | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am really suggesting a new def force_detach_volume method in compute/api.py | 14:31 |
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| bauzas | who would be the caller ? nova-manage? | 14:31 |
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| andrearosa | bauzas: at the moment yes nova-manage | 14:31 |
| bauzas | okay, if it has been agreed to use nova-manage, then I'm +1 with johnthetubaguy | 14:32 |
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| bauzas | because the facade should be the compute API | 14:32 |
| andrearosa | johnthetubaguy: ok I can implement a new method It would be good to have the other 2 cores agree with that idea | 14:32 |
| andrearosa | but they are not around. | 14:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | andrearosa: yep, they are only in the same timezone for the late meeting I fear | 14:33 |
| andrearosa | to gain a +2 I don't want to lose 2 +2 :-p | 14:33 |
| ndipanov | andrearosa, what happened to making detach just do it | 14:33 |
| andrearosa | ndipanov: do you mean by the original code? | 14:33 |
| andrearosa | IIRC the trade-off was to not touch and change the nova code path too much | 14:34 |
| ndipanov | okay... | 14:34 |
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| andrearosa | as this feature is a kind of operators-only tool | 14:34 |
| ndipanov | nova manage is a compromise I guess | 14:34 |
| andrearosa | as the alternative at the moment is amending manually the DB | 14:35 |
| andrearosa | ndipanov: yeap | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I mean we might end up wanting to do both, I guess | 14:35 |
| ndipanov | why not make nova-manage do that | 14:35 |
| ndipanov | it does it in a ton of other places | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | but this seems like a good force operation, anyways | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, we should move on to the next bits | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 14:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so we have a few items here | 14:35 |
| andrearosa | ok I'll submit a enw patch, thanks | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247372/ | 14:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Copy encryptors from Nova to os-brick | 14:36 |
| DuncanT | Hi, I put this one up | 14:36 |
| danpb | i'm not seeing any nova spec for this yet unless i missed it | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | this is more a discussion about what goes into os-brick, as I understand it | 14:37 |
| DuncanT | The short story being that cinder is going ahead and copying the encryptor code into brick, since we need it to create encrypted volumes from images and to retype to encrypted volumes | 14:37 |
| DuncanT | It seems an obvious source of bugs to have 2 copies of the same code that can get out-of-sync | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, so you don't need decrypt? | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | DuncanT: agreed | 14:38 |
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| danpb | my concern is that it is not clear exactly what code is being moved | 14:38 |
| DuncanT | There's ongoing discussion about whether we need decrypt | 14:38 |
| DuncanT | But encrypt is the priority | 14:38 |
| danpb | and whether it impacts on the nova volume setup code in virt drivers | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | it seems to match the use case of everything else in os-brick, unless I am missing something massive? | 14:39 |
| danpb | we don't want to hand setup of encrypted volumes off to os-brick, because we want the flexibility to choose how we deal with encrypted volumes | 14:39 |
| DuncanT | danpb: Would you like a spec? A patch? We can work with process if somebody will tell us what that process is | 14:39 |
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| danpb | eg as discussed earlier, our long term goal is to not use dm-crypt at all and just configure encryption in QEMU | 14:40 |
| DuncanT | danpb: Brick won't be taking over, just acting as a repository of the helper methods so that they work the same in nova and cinder | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I am not understanding the question here? | 14:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | is the question, if we move the code to os-brick, will nova delete the old code and use the code in os-brick? | 14:40 |
| DuncanT | danpb: I don't see that this affects your long term plans, just stop calling the code in brick (unless you want to test back-compat I guess, up to you) | 14:41 |
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| DuncanT | johnthetubaguy: Yes. That's the question - is nova interested in patches to use the brick code | 14:41 |
| danpb | ok, that sounds ok - it just wasn't clear from the description provided | 14:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, it seems to make total sense to me | 14:41 |
| danpb | though I could suggest we could just create a standalone python dm-crypt library | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | needs to be shared, lets share it through os-brick | 14:41 |
| danpb | rather than just stuffing it into os-brick | 14:42 |
| DuncanT | danpb: Brick exists as a place to stuff block related code. It isn't very big, and having yet another library is a management pain IMO | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | it does seem easier to put it in there, we could split it out later if that turns out to be a bad idea | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I don't really know that code too well | 14:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so feels like we can create a blueprint to track that work, a specless one? | 14:43 |
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| DuncanT | Sure, blueprint in the next few days | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | the details are really down to what os-brick does I feel, which should be discussed in the os-brick context | 14:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | DuncanT: cool, ping me when thats up, and I can do the needful, although we do have a blueprint freeze a week today | 14:44 |
| DuncanT | We'll try to make the initial move line-for-line exact, and I'll add some nova folks to the reviews - please call us out on any changes initially | 14:45 |
| DuncanT | I'll go write a blueprint now then :-) | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | DuncanT: sounds good, thanks for reaching out | 14:45 |
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| danpb | DuncanT: nb, one other caveat is that os-brick will need to be careful about not changing API once it owns it | 14:45 |
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| danpb | so as to avoid us having to do lock-step updates of nova & cinder & os-brick for api incompatible changes | 14:46 |
| DuncanT | danpb: Acknowledged and understood. | 14:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | so there is a performance team note about issues with n-api-meta causing high CPU load | 14:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its referring to large ops tests | 14:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think there is an action for mriedem, so will live that on the agenda for next time | 14:47 |
| danpb | yeah doesn't seem like there's really anything to discuss for that | 14:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1515768 | 14:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1515768 in tacker "Instance creation fails with libvirtError: Unable to create tap device: Device or resource busy " [Undecided,New] | 14:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | there is a new bug someone has linked here | 14:47 |
| sripriya | hi: i put this one up | 14:47 |
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| sripriya | there is duplicate set of ports in nova cache for the instance when it is trying to plug 3 vnics to the instance | 14:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sripriya: what would you like to discuss? is this requesting help to debug the problem? | 14:49 |
| sripriya | johnthetubaguy: yes | 14:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | looks like this is one of those things that causes the intermittent generic ssh failure in the tests | 14:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | but its nice we have a specific failure mode | 14:49 |
| bauzas | not sure | 14:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sripriya: have you created an ER query for this? | 14:50 |
| bauzas | it's a bit different from the setup we have in the gate AFAIK | 14:50 |
| sripriya | johnthetubaguy: it fails 1 out of 3 times | 14:50 |
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| sripriya | johnthetubaguy: sorry what's ER query? | 14:50 |
| bauzas | not sure it's a gate failure | 14:50 |
| bauzas | checking now | 14:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | sripriya: so the bug claims its a gate failure | 14:50 |
| danpb | yeah this just sounds like a nova network cache problem | 14:50 |
| sripriya | bauzas: yes, happens one out of 3 times | 14:50 |
| bauzas | on your env | 14:50 |
| danpb | its corrupting itself and getting duplicate nic entries | 14:50 |
| bauzas | here, I'm wondering if the CI is impacted | 14:51 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so the ER query is basically how we track gate bugs, to see how often we hit them | 14:51 |
| bauzas | danpb: yeah that's my understanding | 14:51 |
| sripriya | johnthetubaguy: yes, reproducible on local too in fact on a physical system, fails 1 out of 3 times | 14:51 |
| danpb | i've seen a very similar bug reported downstream in RHEL openstack, but i could have sworn we identified it as already fixed upstream | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, lets catch up on that in #openstack-nova after the meeting | 14:51 |
| bauzas | oh man, launchpad why are you trampling the \n ? | 14:51 |
| bauzas | agreed | 14:51 |
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| sripriya | johnthetubaguy: thank you | 14:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248780 FK between BandwidthUsageCache.uuid and Instance, how do we add this safely? | 14:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | lxsli I think this is your question? | 14:52 |
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| PaulMurray | hes coming | 14:53 |
| lxsli | here | 14:53 |
| lxsli | mriedem suggested I add this to the meeting | 14:53 |
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| lxsli | my patch cleans up orphaned data now and turns off FK constraints for MySQL, do we need to add other DB-specific protections or do we think it's safe now? | 14:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the problem we have here, is we have not test to check "online"-ness of a migration yet | 14:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | have no test to^ | 14:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | which kinda sucks, but I think thats the best we can do right now really | 14:55 |
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| lxsli | I'm all good to continue then? No arguments about adding an FK? | 14:56 |
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| johnthetubaguy | seems like a sane thing to add, from where I am say | 14:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | am sat | 14:56 |
| lxsli | great, I'm happy then | 14:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | I know we started off with zero FKs in the DB, but I think that was a premature optimisation really | 14:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, the ML covered it quite well I think | 14:57 |
| lxsli | yeah Mike was very helpful | 14:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 14:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more for any more? | 14:57 |
| llu-laptop | have a question about spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180049/ , the main purpose is to add new nova-manage cmd to list the compute node metrics stored in nova DB | 14:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, yes, fire away | 14:58 |
| llu-laptop | someone said it could go specless, should I do that or still waiting for spec approval? | 14:58 |
| llu-laptop | it already got 1 +2 and several +1s, don't know which way is better | 14:59 |
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| johnthetubaguy | llu-laptop: we have a spec for it now, I think this needs a spec really, just to capture all the conversation we had about that | 14:59 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, so the clock says we are done | 14:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| llu-laptop | ok, got that | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 26 15:00:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-11-26-14.06.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-11-26-14.06.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-11-26-14.06.log.html | 15:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | llu-laptop: we should be able to get that merged, shouldn't be a problem, in theory | 15:00 |
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| gordc | #startmeeting telemetry | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 26 15:00:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| llu-laptop | johnthetubaguy: glad to here that | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telemetry' | 15:00 |
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| gordc | let's see if we have enough today. | 15:00 |
| nadya_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| llu-laptop | s/here/hear/ | 15:01 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:01 |
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| zqfan | o/ | 15:02 |
| gordc | i forgot cdent was american | 15:02 |
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| gordc | let's just do a quick update so we can all leave. :) | 15:03 |
| gordc | #topic recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Telemetry/RoadMap | 15:03 |
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| gordc | i think we're ok with current bp list. some items aren't taken yet. | 15:04 |
| gordc | just a reminder, i sent an email... | 15:04 |
| gordc | but next week i will tagging everything ceilometer and aodh related | 15:04 |
| gordc | for mitaka-1 | 15:04 |
| gordc | if there's any priority items you need for M-1, you should let me know | 15:05 |
| gordc | any issues? | 15:05 |
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| gordc | r-mibu: just fyi, i'm tagging aodh for Mitaka-1 release. | 15:06 |
| gordc | next week. | 15:06 |
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| r-mibu | gordc, got it | 15:07 |
| gordc | #topic open discussion | 15:07 |
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| gordc | since we seem pretty sparse in attendance. | 15:07 |
| gordc | any items people want to talk about? | 15:08 |
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| gordc | spcs? | 15:08 |
| gordc | specs*? | 15:08 |
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| gordc | llu-laptop: you know kvm/libvirt well? | 15:08 |
| gordc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182057/ | 15:08 |
| gordc | that needs some eyes from someone who knows compute ^ | 15:08 |
| llu-laptop | i'm afraid not :( | 15:09 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: kk. i'll try getting someone from nova | 15:09 |
| jd__ | o/ | 15:09 |
| llu-laptop | i'll try to look at that next week | 15:09 |
| gordc | jd__: you're too late. | 15:09 |
| jd__ | I've nothing interesting to say anyway | 15:09 |
| gordc | any items to discuss? gnocchi? | 15:09 |
| gordc | cool | 15:10 |
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| gordc | we all good? | 15:10 |
| gordc | fastest meeting ever? | 15:10 |
| zqfan | not familiar with cpu over commit | 15:10 |
| jd__ | we need people to get to work :) | 15:10 |
| gordc | zqfan: yeah, i think that's the case for everyone | 15:10 |
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| nadya_ | ask someone from nova to take a look? | 15:11 |
| gordc | nadya_: i've added a name. | 15:11 |
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| nadya_ | nova-core :)? | 15:11 |
| llu-laptop | Daniel Berrange? | 15:11 |
| llu-laptop | not sure I spell his name right | 15:11 |
| gordc | i think a lot of nova devs think anything metric related is our thing and now theirs | 15:11 |
| llu-laptop | he's libvirt guru | 15:12 |
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| gordc | llu-laptop: cool cool. will give a look. | 15:12 |
| gordc | other items? | 15:13 |
| gordc | let's call it. | 15:13 |
| gordc | thanks for showing up folks | 15:13 |
| gordc | #endmeeting | 15:13 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telemetry/2015/telemetry.2015-11-26-15.00.html | 15:14 |
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