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mhickeyihrachys: Good morning; thanks for comments on patch10:11
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ihrachysmhickey: you're welcome. note the channel is for meetings.10:13
ihrachysmhickey: once we handle the comments and fix tests, I believe we will be ready to merge.10:13
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mhickeyihrachys: shoot! Thanks, bit sleepy today! :)10:14
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ttxdhellmann: o/14:02
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dhellmannttx: o/14:04
dhellmann#startmeeting releaseteam14:04
openstackMeeting started Fri Nov 27 14:04:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:04
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dhellmannour agenda is in the R-19 section at the bottom of the tracking etherpad14:04
dhellmann#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-relmgt-plan14:04
dhellmann#topic actions from last week14:05
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dhellmann#undo14:05
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dhellmanncourtesy ping Jokke_, ttx, dims, lifeless14:05
dhellmann#topic actions from last week14:05
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dhellmann* Jokke_ to verify that it is safe to tag and then remove version entry from setup.cfg14:05
dhellmannI recreated my experiment and verified the results with lifeless, and used that to write the instructions I'll send today14:06
dhellmann* dhellmann determine which managed projects do not yet have reno integration completed14:06
dhellmannI've made the list, more on that in a bit14:06
dhellmann* dhellmann consolidate m1 sprint task list14:06
dhellmannsee the first item under R-1914:06
ttxI'm still a bit unclear on how we should proceed, past the release.sh14:07
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ttxespecially around announcement14:07
dhellmanndo you mean with the announcements?14:07
dhellmannah, yeah14:07
dhellmannso let's talk about that in a sec?14:07
dhellmann* mordred to propose specific EOL dates for kilo and liberty14:07
dhellmannthat's done and merged14:07
ttxsure14:08
dhellmann* ttx to summarize discussion of release models for projects that don't complete their work by the end of the cycle14:08
ttxdone14:08
dhellmannyou sent that email14:08
dhellmannk14:08
ttxstill need to sweep through them14:08
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dhellmannthe open tag requests?14:08
ttxbut would like to complete the stable-maint swap first14:08
dhellmannagreed14:08
ttxno, checking that all projects are using the right tags14:08
dhellmannah14:09
dhellmannyes, maybe after the milestone14:09
mordred\o/14:09
dhellmannI've updated the instructions email draft based on your feedback, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/wUAtzSETGa14:09
* mordred accomplishes things in release team14:10
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dhellmannI tried to include some details about why the order is important, to avoid having people think "I can simplify this" and doing stuff in the wrong order and breaking CD14:10
dhellmannwe still have several projects that haven't integrated reno: barbican, heat, manila, swift14:12
dhellmannI think I just saw new patches for manila this morning; I haven't looked for patches in those other projects, yet14:12
dhellmannI'm intending to hold the M1 tags until reno is at least added to the project repository and the project-config changes are submitted. Does that seem fair?14:12
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ttxbut would like things to stop moving first :)14:13
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ttxdhellmann: you still around,14:13
ttx?14:13
ttxew, lag14:13
dhellmannhere, I wonder if we're seeing freenode issues14:13
dhellmannI saw something about a DDoS earlier this morning on twitter14:14
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dhellman_ttx: is this connection any better?14:15
ttxdhellmann: yes, fait14:15
ttxr14:15
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ttxyep14:15
ttxlooks good so far14:15
dhellman_ok, I'll use the direct connection for the rest of the meeting instead of my bouncer14:15
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dhellman_since john has already told me he doesn't care for reno, I expect the swift team to avoid it. I'm not sure what we want to do if that happens.14:16
dhellman_I did set up the release notes link feature of the releases repo so the URLs can point anywhere, not just to reno docs.14:16
dhellman_thoughts?14:17
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dhellman_the heat team just hasn't approved the patches to add it there https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:add-reno+project:openstack/heat,n,z14:17
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dhellman_barbican seems to be having some issues with the patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:add-reno+project:openstack/barbican,n,z14:18
dhellman_manila has submitted a patch and may need review help: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:add-reno+project:openstack/manila,n,z14:18
dhellman_this lag is killing communication :-/14:19
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dhellman_ttx, you wanted to talk about how to handle announcements?14:20
dhellman_I'm going to work on the script we discussed monday morning, so it should be ready if we want to use it14:20
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dhellmannok, instead of fighting with IRC I'm going to close the meeting and send an email14:24
dhellmann#endmeeting14:24
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ttx_dhellmann: still around?14:34
dhellmannhere14:34
dhellmannI gave up on irc, should we try again?14:34
ttx_Let's try14:34
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dhellmannok14:34
dhellmann#startmeeting releaseteam14:34
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ttx_so I was saying...14:34
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dhellmannwe were talking about how to announce the milestone tags14:35
ttx_My question about mitaka-1 is... should we land the current patchseries now ? How much do we need for next week ?14:35
dhellmannfor the tools?14:35
ttx_yeah, the patchseries in tools handles the tagging and launchpad part14:35
dhellmannI used your updated release script for a release last week, and made some changes as a result14:35
dhellmannI think if we land all of those things on monday we'll be in good shape for the week14:36
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ttx_but doesn't do anythign about announcement14:36
dhellmannI'm going to work on the announce script monday, too14:36
dhellmannI ran out of time yesterday14:36
dhellmanner, wednesday14:36
ttx_ok14:36
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ttx_dhellmann: how do you want to proceed for announcements ?14:36
dhellmannhow much do we want the announcements to include?14:36
dhellmanndo we want the full reno-based release notes? or just a short "we've tagged a beta release" message?14:37
ttx_I'm fine with a collective "we did it"14:37
ttx_since it's a b114:37
dhellmannok, and if we add the release notes links to the releases page we can refer folks there to get to the notes14:37
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dhellmannyou had a comment on the formatting for that, and I'll try to address that monday, too14:38
ttx_maybe we can do a collective announcement by hand and then script it before b214:38
dhellmannit shouldn't be too hard to fix14:38
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ttx_It's just that if we merge the current patchseries it breaks things for libs, no ?14:38
* ttx_ looks14:39
dhellmannttx: no, the libs are no longer supposed to update launchpad either14:39
ttx_but they are supposed to be announced, and I removed that from the release script14:39
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dhellmannoh, yeah, I did that by hand14:39
dhellmannand I'll have that resolved monday, one way or another14:40
ttx_so if we merge the current series we lose that (until we write the other script that picks that up)14:40
ttx_ok14:40
dhellmannthe hard part is actually figuring out what the previous release was, and I think I have that14:40
ttx_I guess we can wait until Monday14:40
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dhellmannis there anything else to discuss about the milestone?14:41
ttx_I just wanted to make sure we don't need anything more14:41
ttx_I'll add to the doc and see "make a manual announcement once all m1 is done14:42
dhellmannk14:42
ttx_and add, I mean14:42
ttx_and will try to test the whole thing14:42
dhellmannI'll see if I can throw together something to produce a list of projects and versions with links to the release notes, based on the deliverable file contents14:42
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dhellmannok, we had a couple of other topics on the agenda14:43
dhellmann#topic not using reno for libraries14:43
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dhellmannafter talking with dims and harlowja last week, and seeing some comments from other teams, I'm not sure about pushing the use of reno for release notes14:44
dhellmannwe do need a way to publish release notes that affect deployers,  like configuration options changing14:44
ttx_specifically for libs ?14:44
dhellmannbut I'm not sure how many of those we actually have14:44
dhellmannyes, just for libs14:44
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ttx_so what's the main pushback about ? More work ?14:44
dhellmannyes, having to do something by hand they were getting automatically before14:45
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dhellmannotoh, we have to do something for deployer-facing changes14:45
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dhellmannso I think we need more discussion of that on the ML before we require it, to make sure everyone understands14:45
ttx_what if they had reno but weren't using it 99% of the time, and we would publish the git log and diffstats as usual14:46
dhellmannI think that would work14:46
ttx_i.e. add reno paragraphs only if those were added14:46
dhellmannthe announce script could look for a configuration file in the repo or something14:46
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dhellmannor it could ignore reno report failures, and assume it's present14:46
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ttx_by default it would do the exact same thing as before, but the day they want to add something to reno it's ready to pick up that part14:47
dhellmannright14:47
dhellmannalthough it would be nice to have the same script work for libs and services, and we don't want the git log stuff for services14:47
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ttx_because as you said, while deployer facing chnages are not that frequent, it's good to communicate them more prominently14:47
dhellmannright, libs have 2 audiences for different types of release information14:47
ttx_could be some option in the releases yaml, I guess. Include-log14:48
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dhellmannwe could also look at the type: tag on the repo14:48
ttx_oh, ttx is back14:48
ttx_ttx: o/14:48
dhellmannhmm, the bot changed the topic back14:48
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ttxttx_: o/14:49
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ttx_bad, I'm sure14:49
dhellmannyeah, I'll sort out the notes after we're done14:50
dhellmann#topic not using reno for libraries14:50
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dhellmannhey, there's the bot14:50
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ttx_fwiw ttx is lagghing horribly, I'll stay on this side of my split personality14:50
ttx_so yeah, I think libs should use reno, but should degrade gracefully to current situation if reno is not used14:51
dhellmannok, so it seems like we agree that the announce script should allow lib projects to not have reno, but that we want to encourage it where it makes sense. we also should not send git log info for announcements of server projects14:51
ttx_or that14:51
dhellmannhmm, I thought we'd use reno *and* git logs for libs14:51
ttx_yes14:51
dhellmannk14:51
ttx_you want it to be additive, not replacement14:51
dhellmannI'll take that into account when I start on that script monday14:52
dhellmannright14:52
dhellmannok, a few more minutes, one more quick topic14:52
dhellmann#topic moving meeting to #openstack-meeting-cp room14:52
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ttx_I'm not sure. The goal of the channel wasn't to have all horizontal teams mving to it14:52
dhellmannnow that we have the new cross-project room, does it make sense to move this meeting there? I'm not sure it buys us much, but I thought I'd ask.14:52
dhellmannyeah, that wasn't 100% clear14:53
ttx_just to have a place to have the cross-project specs discussions14:53
dhellmannI'd be completely happy to just stay here14:53
dhellmannah, ok14:53
ttx_let's stay here for the time being14:53
dhellmanncool, so not moving14:53
ttx_and see how it goes14:53
dhellmann#topic open discussion14:53
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dhellmannanything else before our window closes?14:53
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ttx_nope14:54
dhellmannlk14:54
dhellmannok14:54
dhellmannwhile we were having issues, I sent the instruction email for next week to the -dev list14:54
dhellmannnow I'll go try to make sense of the meeting logs :-)14:54
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dhellmannthanks, ttx, tty monday14:54
ttx_ack14:55
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alexeykhodosHi everyone, I am getting an error when attaching volume to instance with our new NFS driver. Here is the traceback http://paste.openstack.org/show/480245/ but it doesn't really say much to me, any ideas what could cause that? Thanks in advance.16:57
alexeykhodosit's nova-cpu btw16:58
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