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| JRobinson__ | Good Morning all, the OpenStack APAC docs meeting is set to begin in 15 minutes. More updates shortly :) | 00:16 |
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| JRobinson__ | #startmeeting docsteam | 00:34 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 25 00:34:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:34 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docsteam)" | 00:34 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docsteam' | 00:34 |
| JRobinson__ | darrenc, thanks for catching that. | 00:34 |
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| darrenc | np | 00:34 |
| JRobinson__ | Hello again to everyone from the proper channel | 00:34 |
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| bmoss | g'day | 00:35 |
| darrenc | hi | 00:35 |
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| JRobinson__ | #topic action items from last meeting | 00:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: docsteam)" | 00:35 | |
| JRobinson__ | At the moment, there are no action items, | 00:35 |
| JRobinson__ | So this is just a formality. | 00:35 |
| JRobinson__ | Moving on to the next item | 00:35 |
| asettle | o/ | 00:35 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Specs in review | 00:36 |
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| JRobinson__ | asettle, hello o/ | 00:36 |
| JRobinson__ | There are four specs listed at the moment, | 00:36 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246660/ (App developer doc) | 00:36 |
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| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247189/ (Zaqar content in User Guide) | 00:36 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238770/ (User Guide reorg) | 00:37 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227660/ (Ops Guide reorg) | 00:37 |
| ashutoshn | Hi folks, this is Ashutosh from India | 00:37 |
| JRobinson__ | I can comment briefly on the User guide spec, however that can wait til the specialty team updates | 00:37 |
| JRobinson__ | ashutoshn, hello o/ thanks for joining us :) | 00:37 |
| ashutoshn | Hi Robinson | 00:38 |
| JRobinson__ | we just started by looking at the four specs currently under review | 00:38 |
| darrenc | hi ashutoshn | 00:38 |
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| ashutoshn | Hello Darren | 00:39 |
| darrenc | So the ops guide reorg is likely to be pushed back to the L-release | 00:39 |
| darrenc | the focus will be on the arch-guide for this release | 00:39 |
| darrenc | I'll update the spec | 00:39 |
| JRobinson__ | darrenc, okay, that makes sense considering the scope. | 00:39 |
| bmoss | darrenc, to the L-release? | 00:39 |
| JRobinson__ | ah yes, I'm guessing N-release after Austin?" | 00:40 |
| darrenc | oh N-release :) | 00:40 |
| bmoss | ah, ok. :) | 00:40 |
| JRobinson__ | np, | 00:40 |
| JRobinson__ | #info ops-guide reorganization is likely to move to the N-release | 00:41 |
| JRobinson__ | Any further comments on specs in review? | 00:41 |
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| JRobinson__ | It looks as though the zaqar content needs some reviews on it. | 00:42 |
| JRobinson__ | #info reviews open for the Zaqar user guide content spec. Please review, time permitting. | 00:43 |
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| JRobinson__ | Moving on to speciality teams | 00:43 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Speciality teams | 00:43 |
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| JRobinson__ | The HA guide is open for review | 00:44 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235893/ | 00:44 |
| JRobinson__ | Sorry, they have an open review^ Link | 00:44 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info HA guide open patches for review | 00:45 |
| JRobinson__ | #info Install Guides - Business as Usual | 00:45 |
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| JRobinson__ | Unless there are any further install guide updates? | 00:45 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info Networking Guide | 00:46 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239361/ | 00:47 |
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| JRobinson__ | one open review. Progress will speed up after holidays in the US this week. | 00:47 |
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| JRobinson__ | #Info Security Guide - No updates this week | 00:47 |
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| JRobinson__ | #Info User Guides - The Specification is still under review, and has comments to address. The scope statement needs to be more specific. | 00:48 |
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| JRobinson__ | #Info User Guide team is also currently looking for information about the nova network neutron migration study presentation from the User Group. | 00:49 |
| JRobinson__ | That's all for user guides. | 00:49 |
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| JRobinson__ | #Info Ops/Arch Guides - Arch migration is close to completion, and reorganization is planned for a two day virtual sprint. | 00:50 |
| JRobinson__ | Any further Arch guide comments? | 00:50 |
| darrenc | actually arch guide conversion is complete. | 00:50 |
| JRobinson__ | That's great news :) | 00:51 |
| JRobinson__ | #Info Arch Guide Update - Conversion is complete. | 00:51 |
| darrenc | Just needs a general cleanup | 00:51 |
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| JRobinson__ | #Info API Docs - Review for the Mitaka specification for app dev docs vision is up | 00:52 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246660/ | 00:52 |
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| darrenc | sorry one other thing on the arch guide | 00:53 |
| JRobinson__ | #Info Configuration Reference - The tools are now ready, and the Liberty branch is set up. Contributors can now update the docs with the config ref tools. | 00:53 |
| JRobinson__ | darrenc, np, | 00:53 |
| darrenc | shilla will poll dates for the sprint and sent out etherpad link to collate feedback on changes | 00:54 |
| darrenc | send* | 00:54 |
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| JRobinson__ | #Info Expect a poll for sprint dates - run by Shilla. An etherpad link will also arrive shortly for collating feedback on changes. | 00:56 |
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| JRobinson__ | darrenc, thanks :) | 00:56 |
| darrenc | thanks JRobinson__ | 00:56 |
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| JRobinson__ | Almost completed updates on speciality teams. | 00:56 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info OpenStack training labs. The training labs have merged a Kilo patch. The network config is currently receiving updates to match feedback and requests. Liberty is on the way, and a KVM port. | 00:57 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info OpenStack training Guides - There is interest in translations for Upstream training. The team is waiting for a patch to merge to enable the repo. | 00:58 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245615/ has merged for the training guides | 00:59 |
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| JRobinson__ | #Info Hypervisor Tuning Guide - the draft is coming together, with notes and bullet points rewritten into text over the past week. | 01:00 |
| JRobinson__ | That's all for speciality teams. Were there any further comments for team activity? | 01:00 |
| bmoss | nothing from me | 01:00 |
| JRobinson__ | okay, thanks bmoss. | 01:01 |
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| JRobinson__ | Moving on to the next topic. | 01:01 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Countdown to Mitaka | 01:01 |
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| JRobinson__ | We have a countdown, which currently is at 133 days, 22 hours, 57 minutes as of this meeting. | 01:02 |
| JRobinson__ | #link http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20160407T00&p0=1440&msg=OpenStack+Mitaka+Launch+Date&font=cursive | 01:02 |
| JRobinson__ | Doc impact specs are also underway for Mitaka. | 01:02 |
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| JRobinson__ | This covers the Doc Impact changes discussed on the mailing list and at the summit. | 01:03 |
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| JRobinson__ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080294.html | 01:03 |
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| JRobinson__ | this bug also appeared in the on launchpad - | 01:04 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1518769 | 01:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1518769 in openstack-manuals " Adding DocImpact spec" [Undecided,New] | 01:04 |
| JRobinson__ | Relating to the doc impact spec, it needs attention and triage to check on it. | 01:04 |
| JRobinson__ | On Docs tools for Mitaka | 01:05 |
| JRobinson__ | #Info Brian and Christian are currently working on documenting OpenStack-docs-tools, and reorganising the index page | 01:05 |
| JRobinson__ | That was all for Mitaka release updates. | 01:06 |
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| JRobinson__ | Any further comments for Mitaka release? | 01:07 |
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| bmoss | nope | 01:07 |
| JRobinson__ | Moving on to the last topic | 01:07 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Spotlight Bugs | 01:07 |
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| JRobinson__ | #Info A new rewards scheme for killing off older bugs will be announced shortly. | 01:08 |
| JRobinson__ | I don't have any more information on this at the moment. | 01:08 |
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| JRobinson__ | There will most likely not be any more updates until after the US thanksgiving holidays. | 01:08 |
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| JRobinson__ | Moving on to open discussion | 01:09 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Open Discussion | 01:09 |
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| JRobinson__ | Any points to discuss? | 01:09 |
| bmoss | not from my side | 01:09 |
| katomo | #Info Virtual Machine Image Guide RST conversion has finished | 01:10 |
| JRobinson__ | katomo, excellent, thanks, | 01:10 |
| darrenc | nice work katomo | 01:10 |
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| bmoss | :) | 01:10 |
| katomo | :) | 01:10 |
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| JRobinson__ | If that's all, I'll close the meeting | 01:11 |
| ashutoshn | Yup..thanks | 01:11 |
| JRobinson__ | #endmeeting | 01:11 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 01:11 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 25 01:11:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:11 |
| katomo | thanks, all | 01:11 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docsteam/2015/docsteam.2015-11-25-00.34.html | 01:11 |
| bmoss | thanks JRobinson__ | 01:11 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docsteam/2015/docsteam.2015-11-25-00.34.txt | 01:11 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docsteam/2015/docsteam.2015-11-25-00.34.log.html | 01:11 |
| darrenc | thanks JRobinson__ | 01:11 |
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| JRobinson__ | bmoss, darrenc np, | 01:12 |
| JRobinson__ | thanks everyone :) | 01:12 |
| JRobinson__ | and thank you all for putting up with my channel hopping errors. | 01:12 |
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| JRobinson__ | Meeting minutes will be up shortly. | 01:12 |
| ashutoshn | Ok..thank you | 01:13 |
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| skraynev | #startmeeting Heat | 07:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 25 07:00:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is skraynev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 07:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 07:00 |
| skraynev | #topic rollcall | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 07:00 | |
| ramishra | hi | 07:00 |
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| skraynev | stevebaker, shardy: ping | 07:01 |
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| pshchelo | O/ | 07:02 |
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| skraynev | ramishra: looks like only we will be here ;) | 07:02 |
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| ramishra | skraynev: it seems all busy preparing for thanksgiving tomorrow;) | 07:02 |
| rico_ | O/ | 07:02 |
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| rakesh_hs | o/ | 07:03 |
| skraynev | ramishra: probably yes ;) | 07:03 |
| skraynev | rico_, rakesh_hs: hi | 07:03 |
| rakesh_hs | skraynev: hi | 07:03 |
| rico_ | Hi! | 07:04 |
| skraynev | #topic Adding items to agenda | 07:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to agenda (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 07:05 | |
| skraynev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-11-25_0700_UTC.29 | 07:05 |
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| skraynev | there is nothing special ;) only usual topics + check status of actions from last meeting | 07:06 |
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| ramishra | what is the status of making convergence gate job voting? | 07:07 |
| ramishra | Is it there in the agenda? | 07:07 |
| skraynev | ramishra: it's next one | 07:07 |
| skraynev | yeap | 07:07 |
| skraynev | I suppose, that nothing new for agenda, so let's go to the next item | 07:08 |
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| skraynev | #topic Check status of actions from last meeting | 07:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Check status of actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 07:08 | |
| skraynev | So first action was on me | 07:08 |
| skraynev | skraynev sync with HP guys for making convergence job voting to the end of the next week | 07:08 |
| skraynev | ramishra: probably this is what you wondering for | 07:09 |
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| skraynev | So, I suppose, that all know about plans about convergence for this week ;) | 07:09 |
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| skraynev | I had a chat with Kanagaraj. | 07:10 |
| rakesh_hs | rakesh_hs: we have only one fix in progress to make the gate go green | 07:10 |
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| skraynev | He said something like this ^ | 07:10 |
| skraynev | :) | 07:10 |
| ricolin | lol | 07:10 |
| stevebaker | I am here, had an irc client fail | 07:10 |
| shardy | o/ | 07:10 |
| skraynev | rakesh_hs: is there fix on review? | 07:11 |
| rakesh_hs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248676/2 | 07:11 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: cool ;) | 07:11 |
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| rakesh_hs | the whole chain starting from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241598/16 needs reviews | 07:12 |
| skraynev | rakesh_hs: looks like dependent patch has -1 from Kanagaraj | 07:12 |
| skraynev | this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243715/6 | 07:12 |
| stevebaker | skraynev: could this be added to the agenda "release notes with reno" | 07:12 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: sure | 07:12 |
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| skraynev | stevebaker: done | 07:13 |
| rakesh_hs | skraynev: Yeah, I am addressing that | 07:13 |
| ananta | rakesh_hs: Me and KanagarajM had a discussion about it needs update | 07:13 |
| skraynev | rakesh_hs: ananta: ok. Do I correctly understand, that other patches in this series are ready ? | 07:14 |
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| ananta | skraynev: yes | 07:14 |
| ananta | we will just rebase after fixing it | 07:14 |
| ananta | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241598/ can actually go in | 07:15 |
| skraynev | ananta: Ok. I planned to do it today ;) | 07:15 |
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| ananta | skraynev: sure | 07:16 |
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| skraynev | stevebaker: shardy: feel free if you have a time to help with review these ^ patches | 07:16 |
| stevebaker | sure | 07:16 |
| skraynev | next action was: skraynev or somebody else send mail and start re-organization for specs repository according last suggestion | 07:16 |
| shardy | will do | 07:16 |
| skraynev | it's in progress | 07:16 |
| skraynev | just need to finish writing the mail ;) | 07:17 |
| skraynev | I will send it today ;) | 07:17 |
| skraynev | that's all about this topic. next one... | 07:17 |
| skraynev | #topic Review priorities | 07:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review priorities (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 07:18 | |
| skraynev | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews | 07:18 |
| skraynev | I have added one patch for enabling batching for Heat scheduler | 07:18 |
| skraynev | which we discussed on the summit | 07:18 |
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| skraynev | stevebaker: p.s. I forgot to review openstackclient integration :( I will try to do it.. I promise ;) | 07:19 |
| shardy | I won't add it yet as it needs tests, but I'd appreciate some eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226384/ | 07:19 |
| stevebaker | can someone put that last convergence series in there? | 07:19 |
| shardy | It's the reauthenticate on token expiration one, I tested it yesterday and had to add a hack which invalidates all the the client plugins | 07:20 |
| shardy | feedback on that welcome ;) | 07:20 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: I can, after mail about specs repo changes ;) | 07:20 |
| KanagarajM | stevebaker: added the link in heat-review | 07:20 |
| stevebaker | ta | 07:20 |
| ramishra | skraynev: do we have a spec for scheduler batching? I could not find one. or it's agreed that it's not required;) | 07:20 |
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| skraynev | ramishra: we had not any agreement about it. I personally don't see reason, because patch is only one and looks pretty easy. However if it's necessary, we may create a spec | 07:22 |
| ramishra | ok | 07:24 |
| skraynev | move on | 07:25 |
| skraynev | #topic Release notes with reno | 07:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release notes with reno (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 07:25 | |
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| skraynev | stevebaker: I have heard, that it's useful thing for auto generation release notes, but had not had a chance to check it | 07:25 |
| shardy | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/reno/ | 07:26 |
| stevebaker | so that we can do any liberty or mitaka release we need to come up with some heat changes like this | 07:26 |
| stevebaker | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078301.html | 07:26 |
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| stevebaker | These changes will need to be proposed soon, I'm happy for anyone to volunteer, but also don't mind doing it | 07:27 |
| ricolin | I can help with that :) | 07:28 |
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| stevebaker | ricolin: its yours! | 07:28 |
| skraynev | ricolin: cool! | 07:29 |
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| ricolin | happy thanksgiving | 07:29 |
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| ricolin | :) | 07:29 |
| stevebaker | thats all from me | 07:30 |
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| shardy | I have a topic to add, TripleO CI | 07:31 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: thx | 07:31 |
| * shardy was late so didn't add it to the wiki, apologies | 07:31 | |
| skraynev | shardy: can we discuss it in Open Discussion ? | 07:31 |
| shardy | skraynev: sure! | 07:31 |
| skraynev | shardy, ok, then... | 07:31 |
| skraynev | #topic Open Discussion | 07:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 07:32 | |
| skraynev | shardy: What was happened with Tripleo CI ? | 07:32 |
| shardy | So, in the TripleO meeting yesterday, we discussed getting the TripleO CI running my default again for some projects, in particular Heat and Ironic | 07:32 |
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| shardy | it would initially be non-voting, but for it to be worthwhile we'll need to pay attention to it | 07:33 |
| stevebaker | sounds good to me | 07:33 |
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| shardy | what do folks think? | 07:33 |
| ramishra | +1 | 07:33 |
| ricolin | +1 | 07:33 |
| shardy | IMHO it's a good idea, because TripleO has found several serious heat bugs recently | 07:33 |
| stevebaker | recently? lol | 07:33 |
| skraynev | constantly ? | 07:33 |
| skraynev | :) | 07:33 |
| shardy | haha ;) | 07:33 |
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| shardy | Also, we may be able to test some things indirectly, such as that token expiration patch, which will be impossible (AFAICS) via our integration tests | 07:34 |
| skraynev | shardy: how much time it will take if compare with current jobs ? | 07:34 |
| shardy | skraynev: they can take up to 2 hours, but we're trying to make them faster | 07:35 |
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| skraynev | shardy: can it be launched like some test for nova or test for neutron plugins ? | 07:36 |
| skraynev | I mean in parallel with main bunch of the tests | 07:36 |
| shardy | skraynev: the problem for the token expiration patch is we need to modify the token expiry of the keystone in the test environment | 07:36 |
| shardy | I don't know if/how we can do that | 07:36 |
| shardy | e.g we don't want an integration test which uses the default expiration of 1 hour, because it'll take over an hour to run ;) | 07:37 |
| stevebaker | shardy: i think that would be possible | 07:37 |
| skraynev | shardy: agree | 07:37 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Ok, nice, I couldn't see how we could modify the non-heat config | 07:37 |
| stevebaker | shardy: maybe in project-config | 07:37 |
| shardy | stevebaker: if you can comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226384 w/details I'll try it out | 07:37 |
| skraynev | and I don't mind to launch against each patch | 07:38 |
| shardy | stevebaker: aha, yeah we could just reduce the expiration for all tests to $time_of_slowest_test_plus_some | 07:38 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: why not even shorter? exercise it against all the tests | 07:39 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: heh, I wasn't feeling that brave ;) | 07:39 |
| * stevebaker sets 1 minute tokens | 07:39 | |
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| shardy | stevebaker: I have actually been testing locally with 1-minute tokens | 07:39 |
| shardy | it's been exciting | 07:39 |
| stevebaker | cool | 07:39 |
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| shardy | exciting == mostly very broken ;) | 07:40 |
| skraynev | lol | 07:40 |
| ricolin | lol | 07:40 |
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| skraynev | shardy: it's really strange... | 07:41 |
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| ramishra | stable/liberty gate is broken with the same magnum client plugin test as master. fix backport https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249574/ | 07:44 |
| skraynev | shardy: Is the same behavior with patch, which you did with Oleksii? | 07:45 |
| skraynev | ramishra: Argh... I can not merge it :) | 07:45 |
| shardy | ramishra: thanks, approved | 07:45 |
| stevebaker | oh, can we talk https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248189/ | 07:46 |
| shardy | skraynev: you should be added to stable-maint core now you're PTL ;) | 07:46 |
| shardy | skraynev: Yeah, I've been testing the patch Oleksii and I have been working on locally with 1-minute tokens | 07:47 |
| skraynev | shardy: I had such thought... but I can not do it myself ;) | 07:47 |
| skraynev | shardy: for whole list of the tests ? | 07:47 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: sure | 07:47 |
| stevebaker | I wonder, would switching from username to userid in the notification actually break anything for anyone? Does anything that consumes username also work with userid? | 07:47 |
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| skraynev | stevebaker: I supose, if you have not good rsolving code for username | 07:48 |
| ricolin | stevebaker: Isn't it hitting the backward consistency? | 07:48 |
| skraynev | *resolving | 07:48 |
| shardy | skraynev: I think you can just mail the stable-maint list asking to be added | 07:50 |
| shardy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch#Joining_the_Team | 07:50 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: it's difficult to say something more, than we change output format, which users expected before | 07:50 |
| skraynev | it may be risky for them, but also may be not | 07:51 |
| stevebaker | skraynev: yeah it is a risk | 07:51 |
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| skraynev | it depends on how they use it | 07:51 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: gah, I was hoping the current key was "user", but it's user_id, assigned with the name :( | 07:52 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: I am happy to use user id, but have some doubts | 07:52 |
| stevebaker | also I wonder, is there some standard schema we can move towards for these common properties of notifications? | 07:52 |
| skraynev | shardy; yeah. it's the cause, why I think, that it looks like a bug | 07:52 |
| shardy | skraynev: maybe that means it's OK to change it, but we'll have to clearly document it in the release notes | 07:53 |
| ricolin | bug+1 | 07:53 |
| skraynev | shrady: thx. I will send mail ;) | 07:54 |
| shardy | I was hoping we could just add a new key and avoid breaking backwards compatibility at all | 07:54 |
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| skraynev | shardy: it's about stable-maint list ;) | 07:54 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: I think what will end up happening is leaving the current key, and adding 2 new ones, userid and username | 07:54 |
| skraynev | shardy: yes, I had such suggestion in comment too | 07:54 |
| stevebaker | so we can deprecate user_id | 07:54 |
| shardy | stevebaker: +1 that sounds reasonable | 07:55 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: agree. sounds better | 07:55 |
| stevebaker | ok, lets comment in the review, moving on | 07:55 |
| ricolin | also add some deprecate message in notification | 07:55 |
| shardy | stevebaker: we could deprecate tenant_id while we're at it | 07:55 |
| shardy | for projectid/projectname | 07:55 |
| shardy | or something | 07:55 |
| stevebaker | ricolin: I wonder how we can do that | 07:55 |
| ricolin | in Log? | 07:56 |
| stevebaker | we might just need to document it | 07:56 |
| shardy | deprecation messages in logs aren't very useful, except for stuff like config options | 07:56 |
| skraynev | #action shardy will add TripleoCI job in in the main list of gate jobs. This job will be still non voting. Let's try to make it faster or launch in parallel with other Heat jobs | 07:56 |
| ricolin | shardy: it's true :( | 07:57 |
| skraynev | shardy: sounds crazy, but we may add separate field for this Deprecation in notification format | 07:57 |
| shardy | skraynev: thanks, FYI it will already run in parallel | 07:57 |
| skraynev | and then use it as we want | 07:57 |
| skraynev | shardy: I meant something different like for nova https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248989/ | 07:58 |
| skraynev | Jenkins check and Intel PCI CI check | 07:58 |
| skraynev | let's continue in the #heat | 07:59 |
| ricolin | :) | 07:59 |
| stevebaker | skraynev: it might be a separate job anywat | 07:59 |
| stevebaker | anyway | 07:59 |
| skraynev | #endmeeting | 07:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 25 07:59:44 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-11-25-07.00.html | 07:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-11-25-07.00.txt | 07:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-11-25-07.00.log.html | 07:59 |
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| BobBall | johnthetubaguy ping :) | 09:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | hey | 09:30 |
| BobBall | #startmeeting XenAPI | 09:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 25 09:30:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is BobBall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 09:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 09:31 |
| BobBall | huanxie jianghua ping | 09:31 |
| jianghua | hello verybody. | 09:31 |
| huanxie | ping all | 09:31 |
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| BobBall | also I don't see John Hua here? unless I'm missing him :) | 09:31 |
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| BobBall | Could you poke him please | 09:31 |
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| huanxie | john will join soon, he is on call | 09:31 |
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| BobBall | Hi huazhihao | 09:32 |
| huazhihao | hi bob | 09:32 |
| BobBall | OK - so - let's talk about bugs first | 09:32 |
| BobBall | #topic bugs | 09:32 |
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| BobBall | huanxie and jianghua have uploaded a couple of Neutron bug fixes (in Nova) | 09:32 |
| BobBall | Could you walk through these? | 09:32 |
| jianghua | yes. | 09:33 |
| jianghua | for the ovs port configuration issue: | 09:33 |
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| jianghua | we have a solution by adding an interim bridge between the vm and the integration bridge. | 09:34 |
| jianghua | please refer to this review: | 09:34 |
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| jianghua | link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242846/ | 09:34 |
| jianghua | it's finished the sub team review and is ready for core team review. | 09:35 |
| BobBall | So this change was particularly for HVM guests | 09:35 |
| BobBall | where we have two ports - VIF and TAP - and Neutron was sometimes picking the wrong one | 09:35 |
| jianghua | yes. | 09:35 |
| jianghua | it depend on if PV driver exists. | 09:36 |
| BobBall | Some reviews on that would be great johnthetubaguy - particularly because it's a conceptual change | 09:36 |
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| BobBall | and huan - could you explain your change? | 09:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, suck in spec land right now I am afraid | 09:36 |
| jianghua | with our solution, it will only expose one fixed port to neutron. | 09:36 |
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| BobBall | Could you give a very quick high level check to see if you're happy for it to go through as a bugfix rather than a spec? | 09:37 |
| huanxie | Mine is to fix nova and neutron race condition when booting a new instance, the detailed is to let nova wait for neutron notification event when port from down to active | 09:37 |
| huanxie | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241127/ | 09:37 |
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| huanxie | I have tested this fix in my env and it's waiting for review now | 09:38 |
| BobBall | huanxie's is 100% a bugfix - porting the libvirt event changes to XenAPI | 09:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: it does feel a bit like this is adding neutron support, and feels a bit like a blueprint | 09:39 |
| BobBall | Neutron support is already there | 09:39 |
| BobBall | It works fine but with a couple of races | 09:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | so this is just fixing HVM guests? | 09:39 |
| BobBall | In some cases. Most of the time HVM guests work fine because they use VIF rather than TAP | 09:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: do we have a blueprint up to add the events support like libvirt has, or are we not doing that? | 09:39 |
| BobBall | The issue is in the case is that clearly if you don't have the PV drivers then it doesn't work | 09:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: OK | 09:40 |
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| BobBall | Regarding the events support - I think we talked previously and agreed that it was a bugfix because it was porting the libvirt change (actually I think that was through a bugfix too) | 09:40 |
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| huanxie | currently we treat the race condition as a bug | 09:41 |
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| BobBall | and it is actually a bug fix since the use of events is just fixing a race in nova | 09:42 |
| BobBall | events support in neutron was added with a BP I think, to support fixing this race in Nova. | 09:42 |
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| BobBall | Do you agree that both of these are bug fixes then? | 09:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | unsure, they could be spec-less blueprints, but I could by either way really | 09:43 |
| BobBall | To understand, what's the benefit of having a BP without a spec here? I thought the BPs were useful to collate multiple changes - but in both cases here they are single fixes? | 09:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: its more advertising a new feature | 09:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: like I say its all boarderline | 09:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: many blueprints are single patches | 09:46 |
| BobBall | OK - so if we create a BP saying "Fix XenAPI neutron races" or similar then that would be useful to have? | 09:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: doesn't matter | 09:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | I didn't finish that sentence, oops, I forget what it was | 09:46 |
| BobBall | haha | 09:46 |
| BobBall | :) | 09:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | Sorry, we are stuck in a hole, so lets dig out | 09:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | bug fix seems fine to me, just highlighting it feels a little boarderline | 09:47 |
| BobBall | *nod* understood. OK - we'll progress as we are for now then | 09:47 |
| BobBall | thanks. | 09:47 |
| BobBall | #topic BluePrints | 09:48 |
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| BobBall | Just to be clear on this topic, the VGPU spec has been -1'ed by jaypipes for the resource tracking, so we'll be abandoning the spec | 09:48 |
| BobBall | There may be an alternative that we can investigate (e.g. faking up the VGPU devices as PCI devices). Quite hacky but restricted to the driver. | 09:49 |
| BobBall | We can talk more about that another time | 09:49 |
| BobBall | #topic AOB | 09:49 |
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| BobBall | Last - but by no means least - huazhihao - can you give a MOS update? | 09:49 |
| huazhihao | Sure | 09:50 |
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| huazhihao | We have finally reached a release for MOS 7.0 | 09:50 |
| huazhihao | But still with nova-network | 09:50 |
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| huazhihao | There is only one small issue with file injection | 09:51 |
| BobBall | By 'reached a release', John means that we've sent a version of the plugin to Mirantis for certification | 09:51 |
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| huazhihao | Sorry, yes | 09:52 |
| BobBall | This plugin has been verified internally so can be provided to people wanting to do early validation of the 7.0 integration | 09:52 |
| huazhihao | That is what I want to mean. | 09:52 |
| huazhihao | Maybe that is all for MOS 7.0 | 09:52 |
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| BobBall | Awesome | 09:53 |
| BobBall | Any other business? | 09:53 |
| huazhihao | Nope | 09:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sounds like good progress | 09:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | about the VGPU, I should look at jay's worries on there | 09:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | but resource tracking is in massive flux right now | 09:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | really happy to see XenAPI into a "distro" sort of solution | 09:54 |
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| BobBall | Would be appreciated john - but to us it seems quite a strong veto of the VGPU spec | 09:56 |
| BobBall | If you have alternatives to suggest we would be very open to them | 09:56 |
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| * johnthetubaguy nod | 09:58 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: why can't you track vGPU as PCI devices? | 10:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: did you mean to end the meeting? | 10:05 |
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| BobBall | #endmeeting | 10:42 |
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| BobBall | Sorry :) | 10:42 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 25 10:42:57 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-11-25-09.30.html | 10:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-11-25-09.30.txt | 10:43 |
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| Pipeloi | Hi is here someone that speak dutch? :) | 12:04 |
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| zhipeng | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 25 13:03:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhipeng. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:03 |
| joehuang | hi Zhipeng | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:03 |
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| zhipeng | hi joehuang | 13:03 |
| zhipeng | was unable to connect to internet | 13:03 |
| joehuang | you have to use vpn | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | how about zhiyuan | 13:04 |
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| zhipeng | not heard from him | 13:07 |
| zhipeng | btw i created a google hangout | 13:08 |
| zhipeng | #link https://plus.google.com/events/cem6fqaoa5qd7s7m4ur3q7gc7eo | 13:08 |
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| joehuang | it's quite difficult to use google hangout, almost impossible in China | 13:08 |
| zhipeng | under vpn looks fine for me | 13:09 |
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| joehuang | #info OpenStack cascading team just was rewarded in CJK OSS promotion forum last week | 13:10 |
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| joehuang | CJK - China, Japan and Korea | 13:10 |
| joehuang | OSS - open source software | 13:10 |
| zhipeng | thumb up | 13:10 |
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| joehuang | the design document has also been update after the discussion in the design summit | 13:11 |
| zhipeng | I was trying using vagrant, virtualbox and devstack to setup a two node tricircle env | 13:11 |
| zhipeng | not successful yet | 13:11 |
| joehuang | the design is simplified with flexibility and robust consideration | 13:12 |
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| joehuang | you can use one node first | 13:12 |
| zhipeng | we at least need two nodes right ? | 13:12 |
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| zhipeng | top and bottom | 13:12 |
| joehuang | no, currently tricircle as a standalone service itself can run in one node | 13:13 |
| joehuang | but if you want to test cascading, you need at least two nodes | 13:13 |
| zhipeng | yes that's what I meant | 13:14 |
| zhipeng | #link https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack-vagrant | 13:14 |
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| zhipeng | I've been trying using this since yesterday | 13:14 |
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| joehuang | zhiyuan is working on the new framework, currently two node functions are not available yet | 13:14 |
| joehuang | #info the design is simplified with flexibility and robust consideration | 13:15 |
| zhipeng | okey | 13:15 |
| joehuang | #info https://docs.google.com/document/d/18kZZ1snMOCD9IQvUKI5NVDzSASpw-QKj7l2zNqMEd3g/edit | 13:16 |
| joehuang | dispatcher is restructured and code merged | 13:16 |
| joehuang | but the initial code base for proxynode is WIP | 13:16 |
| joehuang | Mohammad has some comment on the design document | 13:17 |
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| zhipeng | so zhiyuan is working on the Nova proxy | 13:18 |
| joehuang | we need to add the networking part into the design doc | 13:18 |
| zhipeng | #info need to add the networking part into the design doc | 13:18 |
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| joehuang | not only that one. the framework and spawning VM process in proxynode | 13:19 |
| zhipeng | okey | 13:19 |
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| joehuang | Maybe the meeting notice is sent too late for today's meeting for others to join | 13:20 |
| zhipeng | yes, we could finish it earlier today | 13:20 |
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| zhipeng | #endmeeting | 13:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:21 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 25 13:21:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2015/tricircle.2015-11-25-13.03.html | 13:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2015/tricircle.2015-11-25-13.03.txt | 13:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2015/tricircle.2015-11-25-13.03.log.html | 13:21 |
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| joehuang | ok, let's have a meeting next week | 13:22 |
| joehuang | bye | 13:22 |
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| joehuang | Hi, Zhiyuan | 13:22 |
| joehuang | Zhipeng just finished the meeting today | 13:22 |
| zhiyuan_ | online now | 13:22 |
| joehuang | :( | 13:23 |
| zhiyuan_ | I forgot and went to run, sorry for that. | 13:23 |
| zhipeng | no problem | 13:23 |
| joehuang | We may continue discussion next meeting, you have done a great job for the dispather | 13:23 |
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| joehuang | see you | 13:24 |
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| zhiyuan_ | see you | 13:24 |
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| irenab | ajo: any qos meeting today? | 13:58 |
| ajo | irenab: yes :) | 13:58 |
| irenab | ajo: thanks :-) | 13:58 |
| njohnston | Is it here or on #openstack-meeting-3? | 13:59 |
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| ajo | njohnston #openstack-meeting-3 | 14:00 |
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| sgordon | yeah | 14:01 |
| sgordon | unless i have messed it up yet again, telco wg should be here ;p | 14:01 |
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| sgordon | or not | 14:01 |
| sgordon | -alt it is | 14:01 |
| sgordon | :D | 14:01 |
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| Zara | storyboard meeting in one minute; anyone around? | 14:59 |
| Zara | this week, SotK will perform a mime routine. Probably. | 15:00 |
| Zara | I haven't actually checked with him, but I'm sure he'll be fine with it. | 15:00 |
| * SotK mimes | 15:00 | |
| SotK | anyone here for the storyboard meeting? | 15:01 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 25 15:01:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda | 15:01 |
| SotK | I don't know of anything to announce, or anything that's urgent | 15:01 |
| SotK | #topic In-Progress Work | 15:02 |
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| SotK | #info Worklists and boards are still ongoing | 15:02 |
| SotK | Thanks to people who have reviewed a bunch of the outstanding patches! | 15:02 |
| Zara | :) I'm steadily getting through my review backlog. steadily... | 15:03 |
| SotK | I'm currently reworking the "New $thing" buttons so that they don't cover half the screen on mobile | 15:03 |
| Zara | \o/ | 15:03 |
| pedroalvarez | I've just tested that and looks good | 15:03 |
| Zara | double \o/ | 15:03 |
| pedroalvarez | although that they shouldn't show up when you are not logged in? | 15:03 |
| SotK | \o/ | 15:03 |
| pedroalvarez | well, I don't know how but it was confusing :) | 15:04 |
| pedroalvarez | but much better | 15:04 |
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| SotK | when not logged in I'm going to make it open the "please log in" modal the "new story" button used to | 15:04 |
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| SotK | I just forgot to do it before updating the test instance :) | 15:04 |
| Zara | I wonder if we should do that for 'add tag', too, or just hide the tags button | 15:05 |
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| SotK | I think it should just disappear, like the add task button | 15:06 |
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| Zara | wfm | 15:06 |
| SotK | #info Emails work is waiting on replies to my responses to review | 15:07 |
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| SotK | #undo | 15:07 |
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| SotK | #info Emails work is waiting on replies to SotK's responses to review | 15:07 |
| pedroalvarez | Have you reimplemented that or just answered? | 15:08 |
| Zara | could you link to the patches here? | 15:08 |
| SotK | pedroalvarez: I looked at reimplementing it, got most of the way there and decided I preferred the old way so just answered | 15:08 |
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| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:email,n,z Email patches | 15:09 |
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| SotK | two of them have +2s and only aren't merged because I sent everything as a series | 15:10 |
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| SotK | I can rebase them onto master so they can be merged | 15:10 |
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| pedroalvarez | It would be good to talk to whovever -1ed it | 15:11 |
| Zara | that'd be good, especially since in general I haven't been looking at patches that depend on unmerged patches. | 15:11 |
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| Zara | (I've been using it as a method of prioritising, so yeah, an issue if they don't have to depend on the others) | 15:11 |
| * SotK will try to get round to both of those things after the meeting then (rebasing and talking) | 15:12 | |
| Zara | :) | 15:12 |
| SotK | Zara: how is the roadmap going? | 15:13 |
| Zara | # Info Zara is working on roadmap | 15:13 |
| Zara | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard/Notifications | 15:14 |
| Zara | that's the current beginnings of the draft. I found I needed a spec before I could draw up a roadmap | 15:14 |
| Zara | and then I found there were a lot of questions that needed answering to draw up a spec | 15:14 |
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| Zara | :) so that's the rough list of questions/things to think about, and the next step is coming up with a bunch of plausible answers. | 15:15 |
| * SotK will read it at some point | 15:15 | |
| SotK | maybe tomorrow by now | 15:16 |
| Zara | hahaha. :) it focuses purely on notification because there were so many things to look at | 15:16 |
| Zara | so I picked the one that seemed of the most interest | 15:16 |
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| SotK | notification will be very useful, so seems sensible | 15:17 |
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| Zara | \o/ | 15:18 |
| Zara | me: http://i.imgur.com/xVyoSl.jpg | 15:19 |
| Zara | but if it seems sensible, I won't worry about it. :) | 15:19 |
| pedroalvarez | so cute :) | 15:20 |
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| Zara | I just realised that that dog is wearing a tie | 15:20 |
| Zara | huh. | 15:20 |
| Zara | anyway, that's all I have to say, I think. | 15:20 |
| SotK | :D | 15:20 |
| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 15:21 |
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| SotK | do we have anything to discuss this week? | 15:21 |
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| pedroalvarez | has "Recent events" not working in storyboard.openstack.org been discussed? | 15:22 |
| pedroalvarez | ok, I failed to quote that, but you know what I meant | 15:22 |
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| pedroalvarez | I assume that has to be raised in an infra meeting | 15:22 |
| SotK | is this the fact that some things that should cause notifications don't seem to actually cause them? | 15:22 |
| pedroalvarez | yes | 15:23 |
| Zara | guessing that's a bug in the webclient, so it'd be on us to fix it. | 15:23 |
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| * SotK suspects the backend isn't working properly | 15:24 | |
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| SotK | since that is where the notifications are actually created | 15:24 |
| SotK | I don't know why, I've never seen it on my test instance | 15:25 |
| SotK | perhaps there aren't enough workers running to handle the number of events or something | 15:25 |
| pedroalvarez | this is a bit complicated to debug without access to the real instance | 15:25 |
| SotK | indeed | 15:25 |
| Zara | hm, I don't think they display properly on my test instance (though it could also be an issue with my own db since I have another error relating to users) | 15:26 |
| SotK | Zara: interesting, what is wrong with them on your instance? | 15:27 |
| Zara | SotK: they don't seem to be displaying at all. | 15:27 |
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| Zara | can you give me a case where one should definitely display? | 15:28 |
| SotK | any time you edit a story you are subscribed to | 15:28 |
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| SotK | do you have the event worker daemon running? | 15:28 |
| pedroalvarez | question: even if you comment with the same user? | 15:28 |
| SotK | pedroalvarez: I think so, yes | 15:29 |
| Zara | nope, nothing, but aha, because that sounds vaguely familiar and I think I don't have it running | 15:29 |
| Zara | so that would explain it. | 15:29 |
| SotK | pedroalvarez: yup, I have notifications for comments I made on stories I'm subscribed to on my test instance | 15:29 |
| SotK | Zara: aha! | 15:30 |
| Zara | mystery solved for my instance, at least :) | 15:30 |
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| pedroalvarez | Regarding openstackid. Have we been asked to try it and report back? | 15:31 |
| SotK | nope, but I think the plan is for OpenStack to migrate from launchpad to openstackid at some point | 15:31 |
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| SotK | so it would be helpful if StoryBoard works with both | 15:31 |
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| pedroalvarez | ack | 15:33 |
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| Zara | what is the current status of storyboard with openstackid? i've seen discussion but missed an overall summary, sorry | 15:35 |
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| SotK | pedroalvarez? | 15:37 |
| pedroalvarez | Well, it kind of worked but without working | 15:37 |
| Zara | hmmm | 15:38 |
| pedroalvarez | I mean, you can log in, but storyboard fails to get inofmration from it (like fullname, email...) | 15:38 |
| pedroalvarez | and fails | 15:38 |
| SotK | hm, weird | 15:38 |
| pedroalvarez | Not sure if this is storyboard problem, or openstackid problem | 15:38 |
| pedroalvarez | or configuration problem | 15:38 |
| Zara | ah, right, was going to say 'that sounds like software in general, all sounds good' :P | 15:38 |
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| Zara | #info possible to log into storyboard with openstackid, but not all user metadata relayed (eg: fullname, email) | 15:39 |
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| pedroalvarez | I've tried to work out how the openid auth works, but failed to understand a thing | 15:39 |
| * SotK hasn't even gone near the openid auth | 15:40 | |
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| Zara | pedroalvarez: would you be able to keep looking at that, or are you too busy with other things? | 15:41 |
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| pedroalvarez | I'm in other things tbh | 15:41 |
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| Zara | okay, you've accidentally become the expert in the room, here, but I understand. :) | 15:42 |
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| * SotK is happy to look at it sometime, but it might be something like next week before I get to it | 15:43 | |
| Zara | yeah, I'm aware you've got a million and one things to look at; are you okay with that? | 15:43 |
| pedroalvarez | heh, I'll try to understand things, but I can't promise I'll spend a lot of time on it | 15:43 |
| Zara | SotK: we can probably spend a minute working out what to prioritise if you need it. | 15:44 |
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| Zara | pedroalvarez: thanks, no problem. let us know if you make a breakthrough :) | 15:44 |
| SotK | pedroalvarez: thanks :) | 15:44 |
| pedroalvarez | yw! :) | 15:44 |
| SotK | Zara: that could be useful once I've finished reworking the worklists/boards buttons | 15:45 |
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| Zara | SotK: okay, sounds good to me. :) | 15:45 |
| Zara | any other things to note? | 15:46 |
| * SotK doesn't have anything else | 15:46 | |
| Zara | I don't either. | 15:46 |
| SotK | then I'll end the meeting! | 15:48 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 15:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 25 15:48:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-11-25-15.01.html | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-11-25-15.01.txt | 15:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-11-25-15.01.log.html | 15:48 |
| SotK | thanks folks :) | 15:48 |
| Zara | \o/ | 15:48 |
| Zara | nearly the full hour this time! storyboard is growing! | 15:48 |
| pedroalvarez | heh | 15:48 |
| Zara | discussion and everything; I feel so proud :') | 15:48 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting cinder | 15:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 25 15:59:50 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 15:59 |
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| geguileo | Hi! | 16:00 |
| thangp_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| ntpttr | Hi o/ | 16:00 |
| jseiler | hi | 16:00 |
| kaisers | Hi | 16:00 |
| dulek | hello | 16:00 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:00 |
| patrickeast | Hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Hey everyone. | 16:00 |
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| xyang | hi | 16:00 |
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| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #Announcements | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | Sorry, slow today. :) | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Just want to point out M-1 is coming up quick. | 16:02 |
| bswartz | hi | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Based on the new deadlines, that's not a major point, but good to realize we are already that far into the cycle. | 16:02 |
| dulek | #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/mitaka-1 | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Pretty decent list already there. :) | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Bug Status | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug Status (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:03 | |
| smcginnis | Bugs are looking good. The numbers have actually gone down. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Thanks to those spending some time cleaning that up. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | I've seen a lot of good updates there. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | It looks like a good number of them could just be from the linkage not working and not changing the bug to Fix Committed when patches have gone through. | 16:04 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | My hope is a lot of them can just be closed out at this point. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | #info Cinder: 473 bugs, CinderClient 43 bugs, OS-Brick: 15 bugs | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | mtanino: You've done quite a few. Thanks! | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Still several nova volume related bugs. | 16:05 |
| mtanino | hello? | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | If anyone can take a look through the link and see if we can provide any input. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | mtanino: Hi! Just thanking you. Nothing to worry about. :) | 16:06 |
| mtanino | oops, meeting. sure :) | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.status:list=NEW&field.tag=volumes | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | OK, enough boring administrative stuff. :) | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | #topic Copy encryptors from Nova to os-brick | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | lixiaoy1: Hi | 16:07 |
| lixiaoy1 | hi | 16:07 |
| DuncanT | For reference, I added this to the nova meeting agenda too | 16:08 |
| DuncanT | Meeting is tomorrow | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Awesome, thanks. I'll try to be there too. | 16:08 |
| lixiaoy1 | I am concerned how to move forward. As Nova doesn't want cinder to decrypt volumes. | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | lixiaoy1: So if I remember right, some of our use cases are being questioned, but there is general agreement that copy volume to image will need us to be able to decrypt. | 16:09 |
| e0ne | it's a problem in case, if we'll implement attach w/o nova | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | lixiaoy1: Is that right? | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Oh yea, that too. | 16:09 |
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| bswartz | nova is meeting tomorrow? | 16:10 |
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| bswartz | tomorrow is a US holiday | 16:10 |
| lixiaoy1 | two cases: 1. create encrypted voluem from image, 2. retype volume with different encryptions. for example, retype unencrypted volume to encrypted | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079964.html | 16:10 |
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| e0ne | DuncanT: I don't see link to nova meeting in our agenda | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | bswartz: Oh yeah, good point. | 16:10 |
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| xyang | what about this one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247577/ Integrate Castellan for Key Management | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247372/ | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248593/ | 16:11 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: November 26th 2015 1400 UTC, #openstack-meeting (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20151126T140000 | 16:11 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: At least according to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 16:11 |
| lixiaoy1 | xyang: this is just move key manager to common library. keymgr under cinder | 16:11 |
| bswartz | interesting -- I bet many US-based people will be absent | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | Well, John is in the UK, so maybe they don't care. | 16:11 |
| kaisers | I think john still wanted to run the Nova meeting, there was a mail on the list today | 16:12 |
| kaisers | sry, still digging for the link | 16:12 |
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| DuncanT | think putting the patch up to move the existing nova code into brick is worth posting. There's a great deal of designing of new security models going on, but not a lot of solving existing problems, so I suspect nova will move to brick code without too much trouble | 16:13 |
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| lixiaoy1 | xyang: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/tree/master/cinder/keymgr | 16:13 |
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| xyang | lixiaoy1: thanks | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | So, not to be a jerk, but nova can't block us adding it to os-brick and cinder. Whether they want to use it or not is up to them. | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | Definitely not a stance I want to take, but that's the reality. | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | I think we've clearly identified the need for it. | 16:14 |
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| DuncanT | smcginnis: +1 | 16:15 |
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| kaisers | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080388.html | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | And saying it's a security issue when anyone can go out to the nova source and get the code to decrypt a volume anyway kind of makes it an invalid argument IMO. | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: I think once the code is in brick, the patch to change nova to use that will go in - it doesn't actually change anything for them | 16:15 |
| lixiaoy1 | smcginnis: I agree. I think we can't leave cinder things to nova. That is back to nova-volume, and it blocks our future goal independent SDS | 16:15 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: I hope so. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Any other thoughts on this from anyone else? | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | So safe to say lixiaoy1 can move ahead with the work? | 16:17 |
| tbarron | +1 | 16:17 |
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| bswartz | yeah I want to offer a general +1 for that approach | 16:17 |
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| bswartz | the discussion on the ML made me a bit worried, but perhaps that's been resolved | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | Great. lixiaoy1, do you need any other input to be able to proceed? | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | bswartz: Maybe not resolved, but close enough. ;) | 16:18 |
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| lixiaoy1 | smcginnis: thanks, that is enough. | 16:18 |
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| geguileo | smcginnis: +1 | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | lixiaoy1: Great. Thanks for pushing on with this. The patches and ML posts have been good to get the discussion out there. | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | #topic CI Documentation | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/VendorDrivers | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | I've added a column to the CI table. | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | I have three points for bringing this up. | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | First, we haven't really standardized on a recheck trigger for everyone, so there is confusion on how to do that when we see a CI failing and want result. | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | If everyone operating a CI can update this table with the string(s) that will run there's, we at least have a reference then. | 16:21 |
| dulek | I like DIE DIE DIE, can we build on that? | 16:21 |
| mtanino | it's nice. | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | Ideally I would like to move to a common pattern, but this is a start. | 16:21 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: Yep. :) | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | Second point is just to remind everyone that this page exists. | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | So new driver submitters and current operators, please make sure this is up to date with your info. | 16:22 |
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| thingee | smcginnis: not to sidetrack, but what are the reasons for duplicating the work here in this wiki with driverlog. | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | I think we've had once or twice where the operator contact changed but this page still referenced someone who was no longer with the company. | 16:22 |
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| smcginnis | thingee: Easy reference and update I think. But I had wondered the same thing at the time. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | I think for a little while there we had 3-4 places duplicating the same info. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | And DuncanT did some work to try to make this automated. | 16:23 |
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| thingee | With Cinder getting more serious in defcore, I think it's important for us to be more focused with driverlog | 16:23 |
| thingee | since it'll be the source of truth | 16:24 |
| xyang | thingee: can you add a new column in driverlog for the recheck command? | 16:24 |
| thingee | according to the market place | 16:24 |
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| smcginnis | thingee: Just to make sure, you're talking about this one? http://stackalytics.com/report/driverlog?project_id=openstack%2Fcinder | 16:24 |
| thingee | smcginnis: I have no affiliation with stackalytics nor trust it. | 16:25 |
| thingee | smcginnis: I'm talking about https://github.com/openstack/driverlog/blob/master/etc/default_data.json | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | thingee: :) | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | So there's at least three places to look. :[ | 16:26 |
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| thingee | xyang: there is a ci field. Not familiar with it though https://github.com/openstack/driverlog/blob/master/etc/default_data.json#L164 | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | But I think stackalytics pulls form the driverlog. | 16:26 |
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| patrickeast | yea I thought those were one in the same | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | But I see driverlog and this wiki as slightly different. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | There are companies where the contact for the driver is different than the contact for the CI. | 16:27 |
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| asselin | fyi stackanalytics will soon be hosted/supported directly by openstack.org | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | So in that respect, I'm fine keeping two different places. | 16:27 |
| xyang | smcginnis: because they were updated by different people:) | 16:27 |
| kaisers | IIRC a ci should always post a link to it's wiki page when commenting on a change. Shouldn't the recheck command be documented in there? (see http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/third_party.html#requirements) | 16:28 |
| xyang | smcginnis: the wiki was probably set up initially by the doc team and now it was updated by others | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | kaisers: True, that is listed as a requirement. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | I don't think it's widely followed though currently. | 16:29 |
| kaisers | Advantage is that that link should normally be posted with each comment of the CI | 16:29 |
| kaisers | smcginnis: ok :) | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | Not that they shouldn't. :) | 16:29 |
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| kaisers | smcginnis: shoudl not? "All comments from your CI system must contain a link to the wiki page for your CI system." | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | The official third party documentation does point to here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 16:30 |
| kaisers | smcginnis: oops :) | 16:30 |
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| smcginnis | kaisers: Not saying they shouldn't. Just pointing out they currently don't. | 16:30 |
| patrickeast | maybe we should enforce it? | 16:30 |
| kaisers | smcginnis: ack | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, we probably should. | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | CI does need some attention for sure. | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | So how about this. I'll put a note in the first wiki page pointing everyone to go to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | And we start making sure at least that one has all the info we need. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | And start deprecating the other one. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | And maybe driverlog can be updated to point to there to get more details at some point. | 16:32 |
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| smcginnis | #action CI maintainers to update CI info with recheck trigger details. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | Make sense? | 16:33 |
| kaisers | +1 | 16:33 |
| patrickeast | sounds good to me | 16:33 |
| kmartin | +1 | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | Good. Then hopefully we can get rid of one of the multiple locations. | 16:34 |
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| smcginnis | I'll update the Cinder wiki that leads to the old one. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | #action smcginnis to update third party CI links on Cinder wiki. | 16:34 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 16:35 |
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| smcginnis | The floor is open... | 16:35 |
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| tbarron | we've set up a block of rooms for the January mid-cycle | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | Sorry! | 16:36 |
| tbarron | you can reserve via this link: | 16:36 |
| dulek | tbarron: Any deadline for booking? | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | I meant to cover that in announcements! | 16:36 |
| tbarron | http://hiltongardeninn.hilton.com/en/gi/groups/personalized/R/RDUSPGI-NET-20160125/index.jhtml | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: Thank you for arranging that. | 16:36 |
| tbarron | deadline is January 4 | 16:36 |
| tbarron | after that the negotiated rate of $130/night may not be available. | 16:37 |
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| smcginnis | Also reminder for folks to add your name to the etherpad if you are planning on attening. | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | Physical or virtual, just so we know what to expect. | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-midcycle | 16:38 |
| tbarron | Currently they are blocking off 30 rooms, but we can adjust the quota if it starts filling up :-) | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | And thank you Pure and IBM for signing up to host dinners a couple of the nights. | 16:38 |
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| smcginnis | Any other topics? | 16:40 |
| ntpttr | so I recently started contributing and haven't been around for a midcycle, what does virtually attending look like? | 16:40 |
| tbarron | dulek: and anyone coming from abroad: I think you can reserve and then cancel later (up to one day prior) withoout penalty. | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | ntpttr: We usually get a google hangout going. | 16:41 |
| tbarron | that's all | 16:41 |
| dulek | tbarron: Oh, that's cool. I'll talk with my management. | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | ntpttr: We might video stream too like we did at the summit. | 16:41 |
| ntpttr | smcginnis: all right sounds good, thanks | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | ntpttr: Not as good as being there, but I think it works OK. | 16:41 |
| bswartz | +1 for video streaming -- google hangouts does NOT scale well | 16:41 |
| ntpttr | smcginnis: yeah the youtube channel was definitely nice | 16:41 |
| dulek | ntpttr: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ8Koy4gsISMy0qW3CWZmaQ | 16:42 |
| kmartin | If hemnafk or I can attend, we'll bring the recording devices, etc... | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | OK, good feedback. I'll see if our AV club can set something up again. (hemna) :) | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | kmartin: Awesome, thank you. | 16:42 |
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| smcginnis | Alright, guess we're done here. Thanks everyone. | 16:43 |
| geguileo | Thanks | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:43 |
| ntpttr | thanks | 16:43 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 25 16:43:14 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-11-25-15.59.html | 16:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-11-25-15.59.txt | 16:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-11-25-15.59.log.html | 16:43 |
| kaisers | thanks | 16:43 |
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