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| aspiers | #startmeeting HA | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 23 09:00:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: HA)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha' | 09:00 |
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| aspiers | Hi all and welcome to the 2nd ever official HA IRC meeting! | 09:00 |
| aspiers | I have done a bit of research on how to run an IRC meeting better, and also a bit more advance preparation this time. | 09:00 |
| _gryf | hi everyone :) | 09:00 |
| bogdando | hi | 09:00 |
| ddeja | Hello | 09:00 |
| aspiers | so even though IMHO our previous meeting was a really great start, hopefully this one will be even smoother :) | 09:00 |
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| aspiers | The plan is to follow the agenda listed on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HATeamMeeting | 09:00 |
| aspiers | This should make sure everyone gets a chance to raise topics | 09:00 |
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| aspiers | #topic Minutes and logs from previous meeting | 09:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Minutes and logs from previous meeting (Meeting topic: HA)" | 09:01 | |
| aspiers | Firstly I have to apologise for not starting the last meeting via "#startmeeting HA" | 09:01 |
| aspiers | As a result, the logs of the previous meeting have not appeared at http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/ but instead ... | 09:01 |
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| aspiers | #link minutes of previous meeting are at http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha__automated_recovery_from_hypervisor_failure/2015/ha__automated_recovery_from_hypervisor_failure.2015-11-16-09.00.html | 09:01 |
| aspiers | which is a considerably uglier URL :-( | 09:01 |
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| aspiers | I have updated https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HATeamMeeting accordingly to make them easier to find. | 09:02 |
| aspiers | I've also asked in #openstack-infra about renaming them for consistency, and apparently that is possible, so I will get that done | 09:02 |
| aspiers | BTW for the benefit of nice meeting minutes, I'm going to use #info to summarise topics :-) | 09:02 |
| aspiers | #topic Actions from previous meeting | 09:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from previous meeting (Meeting topic: HA)" | 09:02 | |
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| aspiers | There were 3 actions from the last meeting which I think I can summarise quickly: | 09:03 |
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| aspiers | #info ddeja has shared the mistral PoC code on github | 09:03 |
| aspiers | #link https://github.com/gryf/mistral-evacuate | 09:03 |
| aspiers | then there was an action for _gryf which seems to have been done: | 09:03 |
| aspiers | #info etherpad has been updated with more details of the mistral PoC | 09:03 |
| aspiers | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/automatic-evacuation | 09:03 |
| aspiers | Finally, there was an action for masahito to investigate possibility of converging masakari with Mistral PoC, once details of the latter are published | 09:04 |
| aspiers | However since they have only just been published, I would be really impressed if he had time to do this yet ;-) | 09:04 |
| aspiers | masahito: I guess you can start looking at this in the next week or two? | 09:04 |
| masahito | yap. I'll see the details of the repo in next week or two. | 09:05 |
| aspiers | cool, thanks :) | 09:05 |
| aspiers | #action masahito will review mistral code and start thinking about routes for convergence | 09:05 |
| aspiers | so those were the 3 actions from last time | 09:05 |
| aspiers | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 09:06 |
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| aspiers | I thought it would be useful if we did a brief round of status updates, where we each say what HA work we did this week, what we're planning next, any issues etc. | 09:06 |
| masahito | I'm not familier with Mistral, so is the link in the etherpad enough to understand what is Mistral? | 09:06 |
| aspiers | probably not, but you can also look here: | 09:06 |
| _gryf | masahito, I'll put some more links | 09:06 |
| aspiers | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mistral | 09:07 |
| _gryf | just for convenience | 09:07 |
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| masahito | _gryf: got it. I'll check it too. | 09:07 |
| aspiers | don't worry if you don't have anything to report, or simply don't want to report anything - this status report is optional :) | 09:07 |
| aspiers | but it's a good opportunity to share news if you want to | 09:07 |
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| aspiers | Let's take turns so that we don't all speak at once :) | 09:07 |
| _gryf | so let me be first | 09:07 |
| aspiers | I'll go first | 09:07 |
| aspiers | oh ok :) | 09:07 |
| _gryf | :> | 09:07 |
| aspiers | please go ahead :) | 09:08 |
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| _gryf | together with ddeja we were working on preparing the simplest use case with implemented as Mistral workflow | 09:08 |
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| _gryf | the result is on the github | 09:08 |
| _gryf | (link provided in the etherpad) | 09:09 |
| jklare | hi o/ | 09:09 |
| aspiers | hi jklare :) | 09:09 |
| aspiers | _gryf: do you want to briefly summarise how it works, or just point people at the README / etherpad? | 09:09 |
| _gryf | we had bumped at critical bug which ddeja currently is resolving | 09:09 |
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| _gryf | sure. maybe i'll elaboate it here | 09:10 |
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| _gryf | there is assumption, that we have a control plane which is in HA using pacemaker | 09:10 |
| aspiers | sounds good | 09:11 |
| _gryf | and all the compute nodes are using pacemaker_remote | 09:11 |
| aspiers | #info _gryf and ddeja are preparing the simplest evac use case implemented via Mistral https://github.com/gryf/mistral-evacuate | 09:11 |
| _gryf | nothing different than in RH provided solution | 09:11 |
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| aspiers | ok | 09:12 |
| _gryf | if there is a problem with compute node, than it would be (eventually) fenced, and right after that, evacuation process would be triggered | 09:12 |
| aspiers | I've had a quick look at the repo and it doesn't seem too hard to understand | 09:12 |
| aspiers | so currently the evac is triggered by hostname? | 09:13 |
| _gryf | right | 09:13 |
| aspiers | according to that JSON file? | 09:13 |
| _gryf | json file can be prepared onfly | 09:13 |
| aspiers | but in the future we could have mistral constantly monitoring for hosts with the evacuate attribute set? | 09:13 |
| aspiers | like NovaEvacuate currently does? | 09:13 |
| aspiers | or we would keep NovaEvacuate to do that? | 09:14 |
| _gryf | actually - no | 09:14 |
| bogdando | folks, does evacuate requires access to the fenced compute node? | 09:14 |
| aspiers | bogdando: if you mean "nova evacuate", no | 09:14 |
| _gryf | we can make mistral to "monitor" the hosts, but it would be an overkill IMO | 09:14 |
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| _gryf | bogdando, not at all | 09:15 |
| bogdando | so it is a STONITH, for example, and then an evacuate, and it works | 09:15 |
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| bogdando | looks good then, thank you | 09:15 |
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| _gryf | mistral mifgt be configured to perform some actions periodically | 09:15 |
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| aspiers | _gryf: ok. since this is just the status update part of the meeting I guess we don't have to spend too much time on details here :) | 09:15 |
| _gryf | but in the manner of cron rather, than like a heartbeat | 09:15 |
| _gryf | ok | 09:16 |
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| aspiers | we can delve deeper later in the meeting if we have time | 09:16 |
| aspiers | anything else to report from your side? | 09:16 |
| _gryf | nope :) | 09:16 |
| aspiers | also ddeja? | 09:16 |
| ddeja | as _gryf said, right now I'm working on critical in Mistral | 09:17 |
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| aspiers | OK thanks, if nothing else to add then I'll give my status report | 09:18 |
| ddeja | OK | 09:18 |
| aspiers | #info ddeja working on a bug in the Mistral PoC | 09:18 |
| aspiers | #info NovaCompute / NovaEvacuate RAs are now in openstack-resource-agents | 09:18 |
| aspiers | #link https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-resource-agents/ | 09:18 |
| aspiers | Question for all, but especially Red Hat / Intel / anyone else who currently uses the Nova{Compute,Evacuate} resource agents: | 09:19 |
| aspiers | are you OK with me renaming them to nova-compute and nova-evacuate, for consistency with the other nova RAs? | 09:19 |
| aspiers | too bad beekhof couldn't be here | 09:19 |
| _gryf | aspiers, it's fine from our side | 09:19 |
| aspiers | since I guess this mostly affects his work, I'll check with him later | 09:19 |
| bogdando | aspiers, nova-compute will confuse with the classic nova-compute | 09:19 |
| aspiers | bogdando: oh yeah, good point! | 09:19 |
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| aspiers | bogdando: so maybe we would need nova-compute-server and nova-compute-client or something | 09:20 |
| aspiers | hmm | 09:20 |
| aspiers | #info naming is inconsistent with existing nova-* RAs, hopefully we can rename for consistency | 09:20 |
| bogdando | I mean the nova-compute service, it may be run by the pacemaker RA as well | 09:20 |
| aspiers | bogdando: you're absolutely right | 09:21 |
| bogdando | so what is nova-compute-server/client may look still confusing :) | 09:21 |
| aspiers | I agree, not the best names ... | 09:21 |
| aspiers | but even nova-compute-hypervisor is not right | 09:21 |
| aspiers | since e.g. Docker nodes are not really hypervisor-based | 09:21 |
| bogdando | what does it run exactly? | 09:21 |
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| aspiers | it's responsible for the nova-compute service on the compute nodes | 09:22 |
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| ddeja | bogdando: it runs nova-compute service BUT it's not using systemd | 09:22 |
| aspiers | oh wait, there is no existing nova-compute OCF RA | 09:22 |
| aspiers | so there is no conflict | 09:22 |
| bogdando | well, then I understood it wrong | 09:22 |
| bogdando | and the name should be nova-compute | 09:22 |
| aspiers | ok cool, that makes it easy then :) | 09:22 |
| aspiers | #action aspiers will talk to beekhof about the potential rename (or just submit a gerrit review) | 09:23 |
| _gryf | the resources agents are separate from the serrvices, esp that there are other - like cinder-api, nova-network and so on | 09:23 |
| aspiers | right | 09:23 |
| aspiers | I'm also considering making the RAs a wrapper around service(8) | 09:23 |
| _gryf | so i think it's fine to rename those accordingly | 09:23 |
| aspiers | so that they reuse any existing systemd / SysV stuff | 09:23 |
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| aspiers | instead of reimplementing it in a way which is inconsistent with the underlying OS | 09:24 |
| aspiers | and OpenStack packages | 09:24 |
| aspiers | so the RAs would become thinner | 09:24 |
| _gryf | aspiers, AFAIRC beekhof havd some objections regarding systemd used as ra | 09:24 |
| aspiers | _gryf: I'm not proposing to use systemd as an RA | 09:24 |
| aspiers | _gryf: I'm proposing for the RAs to wrap the systemd services | 09:24 |
| aspiers | that way we can still do monitoring at the service level | 09:25 |
| aspiers | which is the main thing systemd is missing | 09:25 |
| aspiers | #idea change OCF RAs so that they invoke service(8), in order to wrap around existing systemd / SysV services | 09:25 |
| _gryf | no no. I'm just saying that there was some issues with using systemd as a monitoring tool | 09:25 |
| aspiers | agreed | 09:26 |
| bogdando | aspiers, do you mean service foo status to call the OCF agent? | 09:26 |
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| aspiers | bogdando: no, the other way around | 09:26 |
| aspiers | anyway, this is something for further discussion and thought | 09:27 |
| aspiers | we shouldn't aim to finalise the plan now ;-) | 09:27 |
| aspiers | so continuing with my status | 09:27 |
| aspiers | I'm also beginning to dripfeed my patches to this new location: | 09:27 |
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| aspiers | https://review.openstack.org/#/projects/openstack/openstack-resource-agents,dashboards/important-changes:review-inbox-dashboard | 09:28 |
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| aspiers | #info aspiers is feeding his patches "upstream" to the new RAs | 09:28 |
| aspiers | on another topic ... | 09:28 |
| aspiers | #info aspiers gave a presentation on compute node HA to OpenStack London Meetup | 09:28 |
| aspiers | this was on last Wednesday, and there were 50-60 people in the audience | 09:28 |
| aspiers | #link http://www.slideshare.net/adamspiers/compute-node-ha-current-upstream-development | 09:29 |
| aspiers | I didn't have time for Q&A but people seemed to appreciate the talk :) | 09:29 |
| aspiers | #info new pacemaker_transaction Chef LWRP in progress | 09:29 |
| aspiers | last week I've been working on adding support for multi-object transactions into the Pacemaker Chef cookbook | 09:29 |
| aspiers | #link https://github.com/crowbar/crowbar-ha/compare/master...aspiers:transactions | 09:29 |
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| aspiers | This will allow us to add multiple objects to the CIB in one go | 09:30 |
| aspiers | This is useful for being able to safely add resources which only run on the compute nodes (or controller nodes) | 09:30 |
| aspiers | since then it is possible to simultaneously add a primitive (e.g. libvirtd) and location constraint when prevents Pacemaker trying to run libvirtd on controller nodes | 09:30 |
| bogdando | aspiers, great | 09:30 |
| aspiers | It's possible to achieve the same thing in most cases by adding the primitive with target-role="Stopped", but this can lead to other problems | 09:30 |
| aspiers | (it can even cause fencing in the DRBD case, don't ask ... :-/ ) | 09:31 |
| aspiers | that's it for my status update | 09:31 |
| aspiers | masahito: any news you want to report? | 09:31 |
| bogdando | note, in fuel we developed the complete new pacemaker cs_resource provider to allow simult. CIB access. Do you plan to contribute yours upstream community-corosync? | 09:31 |
| masahito | yeah | 09:31 |
| masahito | I checked whether Masakari can work on pacemaker-remote or not. | 09:31 |
| aspiers | bogdando: sure, all my code is on github already | 09:31 |
| bogdando | Our stroy is not so great, the pacemaker module still lives downstream :( | 09:31 |
| aspiers | masahito: oh, great! | 09:32 |
| aspiers | bogdando: I didn't realise you used Chef. We should definitely collaborate then | 09:32 |
| bogdando | aspiers, Im I right, that is about running CIB configuration in parallel? | 09:32 |
| aspiers | bogdando: not the shadow CIB | 09:32 |
| aspiers | bogdando: simply changing more than one CIB object in a single commit | 09:33 |
| masahito | Masakari host-monitor just monitors Online[] and Offline[] in output of crm now. | 09:33 |
| bogdando | no, ours is for puppets | 09:33 |
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| aspiers | bogdando: ah right | 09:33 |
| bogdando | let me share it, jsut for the info | 09:33 |
| bogdando | it allows to make parallel crm configure from nodes | 09:33 |
| aspiers | masahito: what did it monitor before? | 09:33 |
| masahito | So if we use the host-monitor with pacemaker-remote, we need some patch to use it. | 09:33 |
| aspiers | masahito: oh I see what you mean | 09:34 |
| bogdando | https://github.com/openstack/fuel-library/tree/master/deployment/puppet/pacemaker | 09:34 |
| aspiers | masahito: how is it monitoring? via crmsh? | 09:34 |
| masahito | Remote-nodes by pcameker-remote would be showen as RemoteOnline, right? | 09:34 |
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| aspiers | masahito: it depends on how you monitor | 09:34 |
| masahito | aspiers: currently the monitor maybe calls crm_mon. | 09:35 |
| aspiers | masahito: ah I see. I can suggest better ways to monitor | 09:35 |
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| aspiers | masahito: it is now possible to use crm node list | 09:36 |
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| aspiers | #info there are various ways to monitor the status of pacemaker_remote nodes, e.g. https://github.com/ClusterLabs/crmsh/issues/103 | 09:36 |
| aspiers | also cibadmin -Q --xpath '/cib/status/node_state[@remote_node="true"]' | 09:36 |
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| aspiers | anyone else want to give a status report? | 09:37 |
| aspiers | if not I propose we move onto deciding next steps | 09:38 |
| masahito | aspiers: thanks. I'll try it. | 09:38 |
| aspiers | bogdando: want to report anything? | 09:38 |
| bogdando | aspiers, nope | 09:38 |
| aspiers | no problem :) | 09:38 |
| aspiers | OK | 09:38 |
| aspiers | I think that's probably everyone | 09:38 |
| aspiers | #topic Automatic VM resurrection - next steps | 09:39 |
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| aspiers | so I guess there's an action for everyone to look at the work of _gryf and ddeja | 09:39 |
| aspiers | to understand it better | 09:39 |
| _gryf | If there are any questions or doubt - dont hesitate to ask either me or ddeja | 09:40 |
| ddeja | +1 | 09:40 |
| aspiers | #action everyone who's interested to look at the Mistral PoC code by _gryf and ddeja | 09:40 |
| bogdando | if one would take notes, we could end up putting them to the HA guide | 09:40 |
| aspiers | thanks :) | 09:40 |
| trinaths | can you share the PoC link - code if any | 09:40 |
| bogdando | masakari + Mistral how-to , that's what I mean | 09:40 |
| aspiers | trinaths: it's linked above but I'll repaste | 09:40 |
| aspiers | https://github.com/gryf/mistral-evacuate | 09:40 |
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| trinaths | aspiers: I joined in the middle | 09:40 |
| bogdando | setting up and running with a pacemaker, and so on | 09:41 |
| aspiers | trinaths: np :) the meeting is also being recorded | 09:41 |
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| trinaths | aspiers: okay :) | 09:41 |
| bogdando | this could be etherpad as well, and I could submit patches to HA guide later | 09:41 |
| aspiers | bogdando: yeah, I think putting them in the HA guide is probably the final step when everything is working pretty well | 09:41 |
| bogdando | for now, would be nice to have even drafts on review | 09:41 |
| aspiers | bogdando: good idea - etherpad or wiki is a good place for new docs to be born :) | 09:41 |
| bogdando | for other folks on the way | 09:41 |
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| aspiers | it would be really cool if we could have some collaborative whiteboard for co-designing architecture diagrams | 09:42 |
| aspiers | like etherpad, but for diagrams. maybe google docs? | 09:42 |
| _gryf | one more thing regarding the poc - it doesn't describe the complete solution, only the evacuation part | 09:42 |
| jklare | @aspiers gliffy is an amazing tool for that (diagramms) | 09:43 |
| _gryf | it's assumed the monitoring and triggering is on the cluster managaer side | 09:43 |
| aspiers | _gryf: right - that's exactly why I'm thinking about architecture diagrams, so we can figure out how it should integrate with the other pieces | 09:43 |
| ddeja | For better understand of how mistral wokrflow works it's good to start with reading this: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/mistral/dsl/dsl_v2.html#direct-workflow | 09:43 |
| aspiers | cool, thanks ddeja | 09:43 |
| aspiers | #info mistral workflows are explained at http://docs.openstack.org/developer/mistral/dsl/dsl_v2.html#direct-workflow | 09:44 |
| aspiers | jklare: thanks, I'll look into it | 09:44 |
| aspiers | _gryf: there are other monitoring pieces which should maybe live outside Pacemaker, e.g. the libvirtd-level monitoring which masakari does (IIUC) | 09:44 |
| aspiers | #idea start using some tool for shared collaboration on architecture diagrams? | 09:45 |
| bogdando | so, will we make the how-to notes as a action item?.. :) | 09:45 |
| bogdando | an& | 09:45 |
| aspiers | bogdando: howto for which piece? | 09:46 |
| _gryf | aspiers, I think that libvirt monitoring could also be placed as a pacemaker ra | 09:46 |
| bogdando | evacuation PoC with pacemaker remote | 09:46 |
| bogdando | masakari and Mistral based, IIUC | 09:46 |
| aspiers | _gryf: yeah that could be possible I guess. masahito what do you think? | 09:46 |
| _gryf | unless, there are some obivous obstacles we can't see right now | 09:47 |
| aspiers | bogdando: I thought beekhof maybe mentioned he was already working on docs for the existing approach, but I'm not sure | 09:47 |
| bogdando | okay | 09:47 |
| aspiers | bogdando: but I guess it's too early for a full howto on the mistral approach | 09:47 |
| bogdando | let's keep it to be elaborated | 09:47 |
| aspiers | since it still has critical bugs | 09:47 |
| masahito | _gryf: libvirt-monitoring means libvirt itself? or server instance under control of libvert? | 09:47 |
| trinaths | regarding the HA (I'm newbee, might this may be answered at the end of the meeting) Will there be some thing like even the sessions and memory state of the VM is maintained ? | 09:48 |
| aspiers | masahito: by libvrtd-level monitoring I meant, monitoring libvirtd logs for VMs which die | 09:48 |
| bogdando | not a full one, as I said, if anyone would repeat it, he'd get the common guide | 09:48 |
| aspiers | trinaths: no, that is fault-tolerance not HA | 09:48 |
| _gryf | masahito, both :) first level is a vm monitoring through libvirt, second is libvirt process, isn't it? | 09:48 |
| aspiers | trinaths: that requires special hypervisor support and a hot standby, so it's a totally different topic | 09:48 |
| bogdando | and gliffy diagrams perhaps | 09:48 |
| trinaths | aspiers: okay. got it | 09:48 |
| aspiers | trinaths: btw welcome to our little community ;-) | 09:49 |
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| aspiers | #idea write an OCF RA which monitors libvirtd for VMs which fail (even when libvirtd/hypervisor are still healthy) | 09:50 |
| aspiers | ok, we only have 10 mins left | 09:50 |
| aspiers | so are there any more actions we should take for next steps? | 09:50 |
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| masahito | _gryf: aspiers: I'll write my idea to the doc. the chat is sometimes fast for me :) | 09:51 |
| bogdando | did we have one for Poc? | 09:51 |
| _gryf | masahito, ok | 09:51 |
| aspiers | masahito: thanks :) sorry for the meeting not being in Japanese ;-) | 09:51 |
| masahito | no problem ;-) | 09:52 |
| trinaths | aspiers: thanks sir. Interested to HA. So exploring the things and was 15 mins late to the meeting | 09:52 |
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| aspiers | bogdando: you mean for the mistral PoC? I guess that's ongoing work so maybe no need for an action | 09:52 |
| aspiers | I guess _gryf and ddeja will continue to provide updates on their progress | 09:52 |
| bogdando | I mean masakari as well | 09:52 |
| bogdando | something to show | 09:52 |
| aspiers | oh right | 09:52 |
| aspiers | masahito: do you have any plans for masakari this week? | 09:53 |
| bogdando | with pacemaker_remote ofc | 09:53 |
| aspiers | BTW I still have some patches to submit for the Nova* RAs | 09:53 |
| masahito | aspiers: I plan to work with pacemaker-remote | 09:53 |
| aspiers | masahito: awesome! | 09:53 |
| masahito | or replace MySQLdb with SQLalchemy | 09:54 |
| aspiers | #action masahito will start experimenting with pacemaker_remote | 09:54 |
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| bogdando | great, thanks | 09:54 |
| aspiers | OK | 09:54 |
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| aspiers | #topic Open discussion | 09:54 |
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| aspiers | anybody want to raise anything else in the last 5 mins? | 09:55 |
| masahito | sorry, I forgot we uses MySQLdb to Masakari since some aren't familer with SQLalchemy. | 09:55 |
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| aspiers | #action masahito to look at converting masakari from using MySQLdb to SQLalchemy | 09:55 |
| aspiers | masahito: that would be important for SUSE to be able to use masakari since we use PostgreSQL | 09:56 |
| aspiers | but I guess it's also generally appreciated for being consistent with the rest of OpenStack | 09:56 |
| aspiers | bogdando: you are doing quite a bit of work with the HA guide, right? | 09:56 |
| masahito | I also think SQLAlchemy is better. | 09:56 |
| bogdando | aspiers, yes | 09:56 |
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| aspiers | bogdando: anything you want to share on that? | 09:56 |
| bogdando | for now, I have only activites around patches | 09:57 |
| aspiers | ok | 09:57 |
| aspiers | #info quite a bit of activity on the ha-guide currently | 09:58 |
| aspiers | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/projects/openstack/ha-guide,dashboards/important-changes:review-inbox-dashboard | 09:58 |
| aspiers | oh, I almost forgot | 09:58 |
| aspiers | there's the work on mistral HA | 09:58 |
| aspiers | #info Mistral team are starting to work on making Mistral HA | 09:59 |
| aspiers | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-ha | 09:59 |
| aspiers | I guess anyone is welcome to join those efforts | 09:59 |
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| aspiers | OK well that seems to be the perfect time to end the meeting | 09:59 |
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| aspiers | thanks a lot everyone for another great meeting, and see you next week! | 09:59 |
| _gryf | thanks! | 09:59 |
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| aspiers | bye for now :) | 09:59 |
| masahito | thanks, bye | 09:59 |
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| aspiers | #endmeeting | 10:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 23 10:00:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2015/ha.2015-11-23-09.00.html | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2015/ha.2015-11-23-09.00.txt | 10:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2015/ha.2015-11-23-09.00.log.html | 10:00 |
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| aspiers | seems that the channel topic got stuck on swiftclient for some reason | 10:06 |
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| aspiers | perhaps mordred or some other infra god can fix that :) | 10:07 |
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| bauzas | meh, the topic name is still stuck | 13:49 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting Rally | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 23 14:03:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:03 |
| boris-42 | Meeeeeeeting time | 14:03 |
| boris-42 | #topic ping everybody | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ping everybody (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:03 | |
| ikhudoshyn | o/ | 14:03 |
| amaretskiy | hi | 14:03 |
| chenli | o/ | 14:03 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: ping | 14:03 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: pong | 14:03 |
| ylobankov | hi | 14:03 |
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| boris-42 | oanufriev: ping | 14:03 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Todays agenda | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Todays agenda (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:04 | |
| boris-42 | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Rally#Agenda | 14:04 |
| redixin | ni hao | 14:05 |
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| boris-42 | #topic [amaretskiy] do we need a hacking check with `topy' tool? | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "[amaretskiy] do we need a hacking check with `topy' tool? (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:05 | |
| boris-42 | #link https://pypi.python.org/pypi/topy | 14:05 |
| amaretskiy | there is an interesting tool | 14:05 |
| boris-42 | Okay I am ok with this tool | 14:05 |
| amaretskiy | named topy | 14:05 |
| amaretskiy | it rather effective in finding typos in docstrings and comments | 14:06 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: maybe we can try to add it to OpenStack infra | 14:06 |
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| oanufriev | hi all | 14:06 |
| rvasilets | hi | 14:06 |
| amaretskiy | yes, sure | 14:06 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: so we will need to add it first to global requiremnts | 14:06 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: which is not so easy | 14:06 |
| amaretskiy | yes, but after we agreed that we will use it in hacking | 14:06 |
| amaretskiy | correct | 14:06 |
| amaretskiy | so this is not possible, right? | 14:07 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: I am ok with using it | 14:07 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: what is not possible? | 14:07 |
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| amaretskiy | adding topy to requirements | 14:07 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: you must add it first to global requirments | 14:07 |
| redixin | we can add it to optional-requirements, and create a conditional test | 14:07 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: bad idea | 14:08 |
| boris-42 | redixin: why not just add it to the global requriments? | 14:08 |
| amaretskiy | i'm in doubts - so what will we actually do? | 14:08 |
| redixin | im not saying we should not add it to global requirements | 14:08 |
| redixin | im saying we can add it to optional-requirements. it will take few minutes to go | 14:09 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: you don't know about global requirements project? | 14:09 |
| redixin | not few weeks | 14:09 |
| amaretskiy | i know | 14:09 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: so why it's problem to make patch that adds this lib | 14:09 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: then it adds to test-requriments.txt in rally | 14:09 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: and make a test that is grammarnazi | 14:09 |
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| amaretskiy | okay, so I guess we have a disicion: 1) propose update for test-requriments.txt (add topy) and 2) add hacking for checking typos | 14:11 |
| amaretskiy | right? | 14:11 |
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| LiuNanke | this toolkit is nice ,i use it got my first commit and have merged | 14:11 |
| andreykurilin | :) | 14:12 |
| redixin | we should add this to TC meeting | 14:12 |
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| redixin | then create a CR in global-requiements | 14:12 |
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| LiuNanke | this is my first time join in the meeting nice to meet you all :) | 14:12 |
| ikhudoshyn | hi LiuNanke, welcome | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | redixin: amaretskiy why not just add it to global requriments | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | redixin: amaretskiy without any big disucssion | 14:13 |
| LiuNanke | hi~ | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | LiuNanke: hi | 14:13 |
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| LiuNanke | hi | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | redixin: amaretskiy and then we can even create seperated job that checks grammar | 14:14 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: amaretskiy in infra | 14:14 |
| redixin | im just kidding | 14:14 |
| amaretskiy | okay, so... do we have a desicion? if yes then I'm making a patch to global-requirements | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: go and make patches | 14:15 |
| amaretskiy | great | 14:15 |
| amaretskiy | eom | 14:15 |
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| boris-42 | #agreed make grammar nazi job | 14:15 |
| LiuNanke | global-requirements is better i think | 14:15 |
| rvasilets | And what if I need to add to docstring name of project. For example monasca, that is grammar typo | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: I believe this job can be non voting | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: and it is possible to ignore some lines | 14:16 |
| rvasilets | Or, ok | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: or add ignoring list | 14:16 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets: of words | 14:16 |
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| rvasilets | greate | 14:16 |
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| rvasilets | *great | 14:17 |
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| boris-42 | okay next topic | 14:17 |
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| boris-42 | #topic [andreykurilin] Rally 0.1.2 will be the last release with py26 support? | 14:17 |
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| boris-42 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247477/ | 14:17 |
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| boris-42 | so this is sad but true | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | we won't be able to support py26 | 14:17 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: maybe, we will able to support py26 | 14:18 |
| LiuNanke | i agree it'time to say goodbye to py26 | 14:18 |
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| boris-42 | LiuNanke: so I don't agree much ... | 14:18 |
| andreykurilin | https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/global-requirements.txt#L40 | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | LiuNanke: it's quite wide used in enterprise world | 14:18 |
| andreykurilin | requirements supports markers | 14:19 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: that is going to be hell | 14:19 |
| andreykurilin | so, we will be able to use "old" releases of some libraries and continue to support py26 for some time | 14:19 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: yes | 14:19 |
| andreykurilin | so I prefer to remove py26 support | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | #agreed removing support of py26 | 14:19 |
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| amaretskiy | #agreed removing support of py26 | 14:20 |
| andreykurilin | nice) | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | #topic [rvasilets] Add monasca plugin to Rally. How we will add monasca into the gate. Should it be non-voting, separate job or experimental? | 14:20 |
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| boris-42 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248298/2 | 14:20 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets: so actually they are working on job | 14:20 |
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| boris-42 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244893/ | 14:20 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets: ^ here is the patch that should actually add job | 14:21 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets: but seems like it's not ready yet | 14:21 |
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| rvasilets | Is it would be separate job? | 14:21 |
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| rvasilets | As I understand if we create separate file then it should to be separate job | 14:22 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets: yes of course we are going to create seperated job for Monasca project | 14:23 |
| rvasilets | I mean rally-jobs/monasca.yaml | 14:23 |
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| rvasilets | Will it be voting? | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: you are not first day in project=( | 14:24 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets: it will be add as a non voting job | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: and it will be non voting job | 14:24 |
| rvasilets | Ok. I have no questions | 14:25 |
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| boris-42 | #topic open discussion | 14:25 |
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| boris-42 | Anybody wants to discuss anything? | 14:26 |
| ylobankov | yep | 14:26 |
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| boris-42 | ylobankov: where is the point in agenda?) hm?) | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | ylobankov: so what's up? | 14:26 |
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| ylobankov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235857/ please take a look at this | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | ylobankov: ok maybe if I find some time | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | =) | 14:27 |
| ylobankov | and express your opinion abaut this | 14:27 |
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| boris-42 | ylobankov: ok | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | anything else? | 14:28 |
| ylobankov | I have -1 from redixin, but I would like to have opinions of other reviewers | 14:28 |
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| boris-42 | ylobankov: ok | 14:29 |
| boris-42 | so we can end todays meeting? | 14:30 |
| rvasilets | I don't like the name xfail | 14:30 |
| rvasilets | its unclear | 14:30 |
| rvasilets | I have wrote it previously | 14:30 |
| rvasilets | and uxsuccess | 14:30 |
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| rvasilets | nothing from me else | 14:32 |
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| boris-42 | okay seems like we can end meeting and continue discussion in rally chat | 14:33 |
| boris-42 | see you next week | 14:33 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 14:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 23 14:33:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-11-23-14.03.html | 14:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-11-23-14.03.txt | 14:34 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 23 15:00:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:00 |
| anteaya | hello | 15:00 |
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| eantyshev | Hello, anteaya! | 15:01 |
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| anteaya | hello eantyshev | 15:01 |
| anteaya | how are you today? | 15:01 |
| lennyb | Hi | 15:01 |
| anteaya | hi lennyb | 15:01 |
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| anteaya | so asselin couldn't be here today as he is traveling | 15:02 |
| eantyshev | I wanted to share my experience of building the CI from asselin's latest recipe | 15:02 |
| anteaya | and he asked me to make some announcements | 15:02 |
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| anteaya | eantyshev: wonderful, would you like to share after the announcements? | 15:02 |
| eantyshev | sure | 15:02 |
| anteaya | thanks | 15:02 |
| anteaya | first of all asselin would like to consider the common third party solution finihsed | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | #link third party solution finished: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080058.html | 15:03 |
| anteaya | yay! | 15:03 |
| anteaya | thank you asselin | 15:03 |
| mmedvede | hi everyone | 15:03 |
| anteaya | and to all who helped | 15:03 |
| anteaya | hi mmedvede | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | the instructions are here | 15:04 |
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| anteaya | #link common third party ci installation instructions: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-openstackci/tree/contrib/README.md | 15:05 |
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| anteaya | there are also three patches up for review to deal with the log server | 15:05 |
| anteaya | #link prepopulate log server for single-node-ci: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242800/ | 15:05 |
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| anteaya | #link add the ability to set your own plugin url: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248223/ | 15:06 |
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| anteaya | #link automate installation of scp jenkins plugin: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248226/ | 15:06 |
| anteaya | please review these as you are able | 15:06 |
| anteaya | thanks | 15:06 |
| anteaya | that is the end of the things asselin asked me to share | 15:07 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: you are up | 15:07 |
| eantyshev | First of all, the work is awesome, and it took me just a few days to set up a copy of one of 2 my CIs | 15:08 |
| anteaya | yay! | 15:08 |
| lennyb | great!!! | 15:08 |
| eantyshev | I have 2 reviews related to above: https://review.openstack.org/239479 | 15:09 |
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| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239479/ | 15:09 |
| eantyshev | ^^^ which is quite trivial but helped me | 15:10 |
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| eantyshev | another https://review.openstack.org/247474 perhaps solves only some misconfiguration of mine, but I want it to be public | 15:10 |
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| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247474/ | 15:11 |
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| Asselin | Hi | 15:12 |
| anteaya | hey Asselin | 15:12 |
| anteaya | thanks for the message, I announced your things | 15:12 |
| anteaya | Asselin: thank you, nice work there | 15:12 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: was just sharing his experience standing up the common solution | 15:13 |
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| anteaya | eantyshev: did you have more to share? | 15:13 |
| eantyshev | To summarize the last problem: all http requests were redirected to the default Jenkins vhost, so I failed to see Zuul web dashboard | 15:13 |
| eantyshev | that's all, thanks | 15:13 |
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| anteaya | eantyshev: thank you | 15:13 |
| anteaya | any questions or comments for eantyshev? | 15:14 |
| Asselin | Not sure wht that is | 15:14 |
| Asselin | In my tests its always zuul that comes up | 15:14 |
| Asselin | Which os? | 15:15 |
| eantyshev | ubuntu 14:04 | 15:15 |
| Asselin | Same | 15:15 |
| eantyshev | what urls do you use to access zuul and Jenkins? | 15:16 |
| Asselin | I did documnent a step in the docs related to jenkims and apaceh did yiu do that | 15:16 |
| anteaya | Asselin: here is the patch eantyshev has offered for his issue: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247474/ | 15:16 |
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| anteaya | it is linked in the minutes already | 15:17 |
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| eantyshev | Yes (Add 'jenkins' to your host name) | 15:17 |
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| Asselin | Ip for zuul | 15:17 |
| Asselin | Ip:8080 for jenkins | 15:17 |
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| eantyshev | I don't see a vhost on 8080 in apache configs | 15:17 |
| Asselin | Right tjere is none | 15:18 |
| Asselin | Its direct access outside apache | 15:18 |
| Asselin | Ok pilot rebooted cpu and we can leave now | 15:18 |
| Asselin | Bye | 15:18 |
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| anteaya | thanks | 15:19 |
| anteaya | safe travels | 15:19 |
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| anteaya | eantyshev: so when Asselin returns then perhaps you can continue the discussion on the patch | 15:20 |
| anteaya | any other comments on this topic? | 15:20 |
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| eantyshev | nope | 15:21 |
| anteaya | anyone have anything else they wish to discuss today? | 15:21 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: okay thanks | 15:21 |
| anteaya | does anyone have any objection to me closing the meeting? | 15:22 |
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| anteaya | thank you all for your kind attendance and participation today | 15:23 |
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| anteaya | see you all next week | 15:23 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:23 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-11-23-15.00.html | 15:23 |
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| gpaz | Hello everyone | 16:01 |
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| LimorStotland | hi all | 16:01 |
| xylan_kong | gpaz: hi, please wait for Renat for some minutes | 16:01 |
| xylan_kong | LimorStotland: hi | 16:01 |
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| _gryf | hi | 16:01 |
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| gpaz | xylan_kong, yep. waiting | 16:03 |
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| akuznetsova | #start meeting Mistral | 16:04 |
| akuznetsova | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 23 16:04:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is akuznetsova. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:04 |
| nmakhotkin | hi everyone! | 16:04 |
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| _gryf | hi | 16:04 |
| xylan_kong | hi, guys | 16:04 |
| akuznetsova | hi everyone | 16:04 |
| ^Gal^ | hi | 16:04 |
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| akuznetsova | give me a sec, I'll find last meeting minutes | 16:05 |
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| ddeja | hello | 16:05 |
| nmakhotkin | :) | 16:05 |
| xylan_kong | seems we have some new faces today | 16:05 |
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| akuznetsova | yeah, it's cool | 16:06 |
| akuznetsova | let's start | 16:06 |
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| akuznetsova | #action items review | 16:07 |
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| akuznetsova | #topic | 16:07 |
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| akuznetsova | #topic action items review | 16:08 |
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| xylan_kong | :-) | 16:08 |
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| akuznetsova | 1. rakhmerov: create Mitaka series and milestone in | 16:08 |
| akuznetsova | python-mistralclient LP | 16:08 |
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| akuznetsova | nmakhotkin, do you know, Renat did it or not? | 16:09 |
| nmakhotkin | I see mistralclient ver 1.2.0 | 16:09 |
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| xylan_kong | yeah, me too | 16:09 |
| akuznetsova | ok, it means that this ai is done | 16:10 |
| nmakhotkin | AFAIK client versions differ from version of main project | 16:10 |
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| akuznetsova | 2. rakhmerov, melisha: design "Mistral HA" and "Multi-region support" during M-1 | 16:10 |
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| nmakhotkin | is melisha with us? | 16:11 |
| akuznetsova | I am not sure that I see any docs/etherpads | 16:11 |
| LimorStotland | I can update on it : they didn't do it yet | 16:11 |
| xylan_kong | someone asked me about this topic today | 16:11 |
| akuznetsova | LimorStotland, thanks | 16:11 |
| nmakhotkin | so, let's forward action to next meeting | 16:11 |
| akuznetsova | yes | 16:11 |
| nmakhotkin | #action rakhmerov, melisha: design "Mistral HA" and "Multi-region support" during M-1 | 16:12 |
| LimorStotland | ok | 16:12 |
| akuznetsova | thanks, nmakhotkin | 16:12 |
| nmakhotkin | np :) | 16:12 |
| akuznetsova | that's all action items from previous meeting | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | hi guys | 16:12 |
| akuznetsova | hi rakhmerov | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | I reviewed OpenStack HA meeting log btw | 16:13 |
| akuznetsova | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | please keep going... | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | I'll catch up | 16:13 |
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| nmakhotkin | my status: did a lot of review last week | 16:14 |
| ^Gal^ | I'm on mistraldashboard pagination in execution screens | 16:14 |
| LimorStotland | my status: i am working on internal alcatel-lucent issues + mistral reviews | 16:14 |
| nmakhotkin | btw, nice to see ceilometer and trove actions in mistral :) | 16:14 |
| xylan_kong | - completed the implementation of mistral workflow sharing, https://review.openstack.org/244155 [READY FOR REVIEW] | 16:15 |
| xylan_kong | - fixed some bugs found during workflow sharing feature testing. [MERGED] | 16:15 |
| xylan_kong | - completed mistral-spec initialization, I think it's a big improvement for Mistral as an official project. [MERGED] | 16:15 |
| xylan_kong | - had an experience with Reno, gave a sharing to the whole team via email. [DONE] | 16:15 |
| xylan_kong | - review work [ALWAYS] | 16:15 |
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| xylan_kong | nmakhotkin: yeah, I'll do zaqar integration in next few days | 16:15 |
| ^Gal^ | xylan_kong: nice! | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | my status: reviews, backporting (not finished) and some email exchanges | 16:15 |
| nmakhotkin | xylan_kong: awesome! | 16:15 |
| akuznetsova | my status: worked on improving our Jenkins ci, split one gate into two separate gates, I am planning to continue this work and make gates voting | 16:15 |
| xylan_kong | nmakhotkin: thanks | 16:16 |
| LimorStotland | xylan_kong nice !!! | 16:16 |
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| akuznetsova | xylan_kong, oh, you came prepared ) | 16:16 |
| xylan_kong | akuznetsova: yes, of course | 16:16 |
| akuznetsova | xylan_kong, :-) | 16:16 |
| xylan_kong | a habit | 16:17 |
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| akuznetsova | does anybody have any roadblocks? | 16:17 |
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| xylan_kong | i have one, but can be discussed in open discussion | 16:17 |
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| xylan_kong | about how we identify resource | 16:18 |
| akuznetsova | xylan_kong, ok, so let's move to open discussion ! | 16:18 |
| xylan_kong | akuznetsova: ok | 16:18 |
| akuznetsova | #topic Open Discussion | 16:18 |
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| akuznetsova | xylan_kong, please, go ahead | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | I also wanted to discuss status of backporting but not sure if we need to do it now | 16:18 |
| xylan_kong | the problem was found during the implementation of workflow sharing feature | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | about a half of bugs that ALU wants got merged into stable/liberty | 16:19 |
| xylan_kong | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/use-workflow-id-in-rest-api | 16:19 |
| xylan_kong | I want to talk about the bp/bug, for fixing that, maybe we need to consider re-design our Mistral API | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | some of them can't be merged because we need to repair a sequence of commits in stable/liberty | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | I'm planning to work on it tomorrow first thing | 16:19 |
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| LimorStotland | xylan_kong : i am not sure i understand... can you please give example or something ? | 16:21 |
| xylan_kong | Without uuid, we can hardly distinguish different workflows with same name, especially when we use 'public' workflows or we want to get benifits from workflow sharing feature I have been implementing these days. | 16:21 |
| akuznetsova | xylan_kong, what do you mean by re-design ? api v3 ? | 16:21 |
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| xylan_kong | .akuznetsova maybe | 16:21 |
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| xylan_kong | since it seems a big change for mistral, especially related to API | 16:22 |
| xylan_kong | I have already met some bugs related to that, please see https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1518655 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-mistralclient/+bug/1518276 | 16:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1518655 in Mistral "Cron-trigger running failed when workflow's scope is updated to 'private' from 'public'" [Undecided,New] | 16:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1518276 in python-mistralclient "Can not distinguish private workflow and public workflow with the same name" [Medium,Fix committed] - Assigned to Lingxian Kong (kong) | 16:22 |
| bhaskarduvvuri | that sounds like a nice idea xylan_kong | 16:22 |
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| xylan_kong | currently, different tanants can have workflows with same name | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: yes, I fully understand you | 16:23 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov :-) | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | I think it's a subject of API v3 design | 16:23 |
| akuznetsova | I don't remember why we decided to use names instead on uuid | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | but also agree that we need to fix it in a backwards compatible way in v2 | 16:23 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: yes, absolutely | 16:24 |
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| xylan_kong | we can both support name and uuid | 16:24 |
| bhaskarduvvuri | or maybe have v2.1 | 16:24 |
| nmakhotkin | yes, we can use name or uuid | 16:24 |
| bhaskarduvvuri | for backport | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova: because we wanted save API calls when we needed to do something with workflows | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | so that you don't need to lookup a workflow by name first in order to find its id | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | and then, for example, to execute it | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | assuming that names are unique you can run them immediately without having to know their ids | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | that was the idea | 16:25 |
| akuznetsova | oh, I see | 16:26 |
| nmakhotkin | names are human-readable :) | 16:26 |
| nmakhotkin | and rememberable | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | nmakhotkin: indeed | 16:26 |
| akuznetsova | but now in case of public wfs it became a problem | 16:26 |
| xylan_kong | nmakhotkin: but it is also changable | 16:26 |
| LimorStotland | xylan long do you have any design for it? | 16:27 |
| xylan_kong | and it's part of ReST API | 16:27 |
| nmakhotkin | xylan_kong: really? | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | actually, it can be solved also if we print out their "scope" field and "name + scope" is a unique constraint | 16:27 |
| xylan_kong | LimorStotland: yes, i think it's not a hard thing todo | 16:27 |
| nmakhotkin | I don't remember there is a possibility to change a name of workflow | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: yes, I'm actually not sure we can change it | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | let me see.. | 16:27 |
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| xylan_kong | we can't change the name | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | we can't | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | that's right | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | because /workflows/name PUT accepts plain/text only | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | which is YAML | 16:29 |
| LimorStotland | so can please publish the design... its a bit hard (at least for me to see the problem, for me it's sound like we only need to add workflow-id to the get ....) | 16:29 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: that works. but as a user, maybe I will be confused that i can't design a workflow with a name i wanted if you add the constraint | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | well, after all I think it may have been a mistake to identify workflows by names | 16:30 |
| xylan_kong | LimorStotland: yes, it deserves a spec for review | 16:30 |
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| LimorStotland | xylan_kong thanks | 16:30 |
| xylan_kong | so, what's you suggestion about when we can start to do that? | 16:30 |
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| xylan_kong | in M? or N? | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | on one hand, it's a little bit more convenient in certain cases but on the other hands ids are much more flexible | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: doing what? | 16:31 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: use uuid | 16:31 |
| xylan_kong | or adding uuid support | 16:31 |
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| xylan_kong | in rest api | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: whenever API v3 comes through, in my opinion | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | which I hope will happen in M | 16:31 |
| xylan_kong | since i have to solve the problem in the resource sharing feature design | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | well, it's just my thought, I'm not sure about this suggestion | 16:32 |
| akuznetsova | probably will be more changes in api v3, so I guess that we need to design it first | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | it really should be designed first and reviewed like LimorStotland said | 16:32 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: yes, agreed | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova: yes | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: yes | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: so you actually sent some patches with showing id, right? | 16:33 |
| xylan_kong | so maybe i can have the first commit in mistral-spec :-) | 16:33 |
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| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: yes | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | I voted +2 for them | 16:33 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: but that's just some workaround for nwo | 16:33 |
| xylan_kong | can not solve the whole problem totally | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: ok, but do we need anything else for now? | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | I know that's a workaround | 16:34 |
| xylan_kong | the problems still exist | 16:34 |
| akuznetsova | yes | 16:35 |
| xylan_kong | and we have to wait until we support uuid in rest api | 16:35 |
| akuznetsova | let's create etherpad with new API design | 16:35 |
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| xylan_kong | akuznetsova: no need etherpad, just specification in mistral-spec | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: I mean is it a roadblock for resource sharing implementation now? | 16:36 |
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| akuznetsova | xylan_kong, oh, yes | 16:36 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: yes, when i share a workflow to a tenant, he can't see the workflow details if he has a workflow with the same name | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | why? | 16:37 |
| xylan_kong | in implementation, we don't know which workflow detail the tenant want to show | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | give me a sec.. thinking.. | 16:37 |
| xylan_kong | with the only workflow name | 16:37 |
| xylan_kong | given we have 2 tenant2, A and B. | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:38 |
| xylan_kong | A creats a workflow, and shars with B | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | what do you do to share a workflow? | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:38 |
| xylan_kong | blablabla.... | 16:38 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: you already know , right? | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | what's the sharing algorithm? | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | no I don't | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | more precisely, I remember what we discussed at the summit but didn't look at your impl yet.. | 16:39 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-resource-sharing | 16:39 |
| xylan_kong | yes, you can take a look at the code first, including the sharing api design | 16:39 |
| xylan_kong | especially the test cases | 16:40 |
| LimorStotland | i think that what xylan_kong is saying is that it can create a situation where a user can run 2 different wf with the same name | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: yes, I saw the BP, just please explain your algo in 2 words | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | you create a permissions table? | 16:40 |
| xylan_kong | i added a new table to record the sharing relationship | 16:40 |
| xylan_kong | the table can be used for workflow, workbook, and action | 16:41 |
| xylan_kong | and any other resources in future that can be sharable | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, ok. I see now the problem | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | correct me if I'm wrong.. | 16:41 |
| xylan_kong | ok | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | so even if we shared a workflow from A to B and users from B can see the WF in listings they still can't use it because they need to use unique names | 16:42 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: yes, exactly | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | that are not unique anymore because A and B can contain wfs with same names | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | yep... | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | f...k | 16:43 |
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| xylan_kong | calm down :-) | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | it's a serious issue :) | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | it definitely need to change but I just wonder if we can workaround it for now somehow | 16:44 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: yes, we can support name and uuid at the same time | 16:44 |
| xylan_kong | name is just for backward compatible | 16:44 |
| xylan_kong | and we recommend users to use uuid in future | 16:45 |
| xylan_kong | maybe in M release | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | you mean we can change all that methods taking names to also support ids? | 16:45 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: yes | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, that should work | 16:45 |
| akuznetsova | I guess that it is good variant | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | I actually I know some technologies that use that approach | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | for example, StackStorm does that | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: so that is what you're going to work on? | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | create a spec for it? | 16:46 |
| xylan_kong | and in release notes, we must be honest to tell users what's the restriction about using name | 16:46 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: sure, i can go with that | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: yes, please do | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | because anyway it's related to your task | 16:46 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: yes | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | ok, deal | 16:47 |
| xylan_kong | i can start with a specification | 16:47 |
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| akuznetsova | yes, please | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:48 |
| xylan_kong | will call for review when i finish | 16:48 |
| xylan_kong | :-) | 16:48 |
| akuznetsova | anything else to discuss ? | 16:48 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, ? | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | I'm done | 16:48 |
| ddeja | akuznetsova, rakhmerov: I have a short question, do you have any progress on https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1513456 Today I was able to dummy fix it (using sleep), but have idea for better solution. I'm wondering if I can reassigne it to myself. | 16:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1513456 in Mistral "task stuck in RUNNING state when all action executions are finished" [Critical,Triaged] - Assigned to Renat Akhmerov (rakhmerov) | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | and I would even say "I'm completely finished" :) | 16:49 |
| nmakhotkin | AFAIK we don't | 16:49 |
| nmakhotkin | rakhmerov? | 16:49 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov :-) | 16:49 |
| akuznetsova | yes, we don't fix it | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: please do | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | feel free | 16:49 |
| ddeja | ok, will do so :) | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: just one question | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | were you just able to reproduce it or you were able to understand the cause of the issue? | 16:50 |
| ddeja | both | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | I'd be rather interested to know where it comes from | 16:50 |
| _gryf | rakhmerov, we were working on it last week | 16:50 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: ooh, awesome! | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: can you please explain briefly what this issue is caused by? | 16:51 |
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| ddeja | It's a race condition in default engine | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | ok, where exactly? | 16:51 |
| ddeja | in method 'on_action_complete' | 16:51 |
| _gryf | rakhmerov, ddeja, it could be good, to make a comment under the bug on lp | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | yes, definitely | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let me put it this way: I'd like to know all the guts of this issue | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | :)) | 16:52 |
| ddeja | when transaction is started, it sometimes (in my case - always) didn't finish | 16:52 |
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| ddeja | before transaction is started in second thread | 16:52 |
| nmakhotkin | transaction hangs?? | 16:52 |
| ddeja | so, both transactions didn't see that the other action has ended | 16:52 |
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| nmakhotkin | yep, I also investigated that a bit | 16:53 |
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| rakhmerov | hm.. | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | weird | 16:53 |
| ddeja | it can be fixed by not checking in code if every action has ended, but leave it to database | 16:53 |
| noa_koffman | I saw the same thing... | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | why didn't that TX finish? | 16:54 |
| ddeja | it did finished | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: as far as checks it makes sense, yes | 16:54 |
| ddeja | but before it happend, second started | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | oooh! I think I got it | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | it's because an ORM model in memory differs from DB state.. | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | right? | 16:55 |
| ddeja | yes | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | gotcha | 16:55 |
| akuznetsova | folks, we have only 3 mins left | 16:55 |
| ddeja | OK :) | 16:55 |
| xylan_kong | ddeja: good job! welcome your contribution btw | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | then the fix should be pretty simple | 16:55 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: yeah, awesome job! Thanks | 16:55 |
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| akuznetsova | let's wrap our meeting | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | reassign it to yourself and ask any help if needed | 16:55 |
| ddeja | xylan_kong, rakhmerov, thanks :-) | 16:56 |
| ddeja | OK | 16:56 |
| akuznetsova | we can continue in our usual channel | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | it's an extremely important issue | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | ok, now I'm completely finished | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | ok to end the meeting | 16:56 |
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| nmakhotkin | bye! | 16:56 |
| akuznetsova | bye | 16:56 |
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| xylan_kong | ok, productive meeting | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | let'd meet in our channel | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | bye | 16:56 |
| xylan_kong | bye, guys | 16:56 |
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| _gryf | bye | 16:56 |
| noa_koffman | bye | 16:56 |
| ddeja | bye | 16:56 |
| akuznetsova | #endmeeting | 16:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 23 16:56:57 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-11-23-16.04.html | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-11-23-16.04.txt | 16:57 |
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| matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 23 17:02:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| matjazp | hey all | 17:02 |
| ianychoi | /o | 17:02 |
| ianychoi | hello again | 17:02 |
| matjazp | hey ianychoi | 17:02 |
| ianychoi | Hello, matjazp | 17:03 |
| matjazp | lets start the meeting | 17:03 |
| ianychoi | Okay! | 17:03 |
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| matjazp | looks like it's just you and me agaain | 17:03 |
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| matjazp | anyone else here? | 17:03 |
| ianychoi | I think so, or we can wait for others? | 17:04 |
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| matjazp | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-meeting-agenda | 17:04 |
| matjazp | #info meeting agenda will be published in Etherpad at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-meeting-agenda | 17:04 |
| matjazp | I think it's easier to add | 17:05 |
| matjazp | than in wiki | 17:05 |
| ianychoi | Thanks for sharing on etherpad | 17:05 |
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| matjazp | #action matjazp updates official meeting info with new Etherpad based meeting agenda URL | 17:06 |
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| matjazp | ianychoi: looks like translation enabling patch got merged | 17:06 |
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| matjazp | ianychoi: is it ok now? you can start translating upstream material? | 17:07 |
| ianychoi | Yes. The good news is that training-guide is now on Zanata! | 17:07 |
| ianychoi | #link https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/training-guides | 17:07 |
| matjazp | yes, I checked as soon as patch got merged. Nice work. | 17:08 |
| ianychoi | However, the sad news that there is no content on Zanata | 17:08 |
| ianychoi | #info no training-guide content available in Zanata | 17:08 |
| ianychoi | #link https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/training-guides/master | 17:08 |
| matjazp | maybe we need to push a patch first to start the jobs? | 17:08 |
| ianychoi | I think training-guide repo is okay, but some more things on infra would be needed.. | 17:09 |
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| matjazp | hmmm... maybe Kato will know, I'll drop him an email about it | 17:10 |
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| matjazp | regarding your patch | 17:10 |
| matjazp | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245915/ | 17:10 |
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| ianychoi | Yes. I submitted it after the last meeting. | 17:10 |
| matjazp | I think the word order in the last sentence is a bit awkward | 17:10 |
| matjazp | "No more Stackforge is used for new projects from Aug 2015" | 17:11 |
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| matjazp | perhaps Stackforge in not used anymore for new projects since aug 2015? | 17:11 |
| ianychoi | Much better English sentence :) Thank you so much for your kind suggestion! | 17:12 |
| matjazp | maybe you could also put this as a first sentence | 17:12 |
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| matjazp | could also use a quote or something similar so that it is obvious that stackfoge is retired | 17:13 |
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| ianychoi | Let's see... then, "Stackforge is retired and not used anymore for new projects since Aug 2015" for the first sentence | 17:14 |
| ianychoi | How looks that? | 17:14 |
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| matjazp | yes, much better | 17:15 |
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| matjazp | maybe we can also add smth similar as: "it was replaced by Big Tent initiative" | 17:16 |
| ianychoi | Thanks.. then.. "was used for new unofficial projects, but retired on Aug 2015" -> 1st sentence | 17:16 |
| ianychoi | " was replaced by Big Tent initiative" -> 2nd sentence | 17:16 |
| matjazp | even better | 17:17 |
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| ianychoi | 'was' would be unnecessary... | 17:17 |
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| matjazp | 3rd line: it used the same processes and tools as the main OpenStack projects | 17:18 |
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| matjazp | and you can delete all 4 remaining lines | 17:19 |
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| ianychoi | - Stackforge was used for new unofficial projects, but retired on Aug 2015 | 17:20 |
| ianychoi | - It was replaced by Big Tent initiative | 17:20 |
| ianychoi | - It used the same processes and tools as the main OpenStack projects | 17:20 |
| ianychoi | How do you think about those sentences? | 17:21 |
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| matjazp | sounds ok | 17:22 |
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| egon | second bulled could drop "It was" | 17:23 |
| egon | *bullet | 17:23 |
| ianychoi | Oh, hello, egon :) | 17:23 |
| egon | 3rd could drop "It" as well. | 17:23 |
| egon | hello! | 17:23 |
| matjazp | hello egon | 17:24 |
| matjazp | thnx for you imput | 17:24 |
| matjazp | *input | 17:24 |
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| egon | .... constant lurker, occasional commentor ;-) | 17:25 |
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| matjazp | egon: you should continue that with: new Training guides contributor :) | 17:26 |
| egon | :D | 17:26 |
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| ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245915/ | 17:27 |
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| ianychoi | I have just uploaded it :) | 17:28 |
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| ianychoi | Thank you so much, matjazp and egon! | 17:28 |
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| matjazp | ianychoi: thans for squashing that bug :) | 17:29 |
| ianychoi | It is my great pleasure. I learned a lot during the last Tokyo upstream training. I am so happy that I could contribute to what I learned :) | 17:30 |
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| matjazp | There's more bugs to choose from, If you feel like squashing another one ;) (https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides) | 17:35 |
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| ianychoi | Yep, I am now seeing those bugs.. | 17:36 |
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| * matjazp whistles and subtly pushes the bug list towards ianychoi and egon ;) | 17:36 | |
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| ianychoi | Yep. I think I would submit patches for some high-priority bugs which reviews are un-submitted.. | 17:37 |
| ianychoi | Can I do that even there is an assignee already for those bugs? | 17:38 |
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| matjazp | well it is customary to ask in the comments if it is ok to do that | 17:38 |
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| ianychoi | I see. Even though my English is not so matured... but I will start some bugs (not now.. it is about 2:30 am here) | 17:39 |
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| ianychoi | Then, I think you and other training-guide stacker would help me :) | 17:40 |
| ianychoi | s/stacker/stackers | 17:40 |
| matjazp | ianychoi: not a problem, that is why the review process is for | 17:40 |
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| ianychoi | Thanks, matjazp! | 17:40 |
| matjazp | ok... | 17:41 |
| ianychoi | I think I need to sleep.. Today I am a little bit tired, sorry. | 17:41 |
| matjazp | is there anything else that need our attention? | 17:41 |
| ianychoi | No from me. | 17:41 |
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| matjazp | ok, so we can wrap it up | 17:41 |
| ianychoi | Okay. | 17:41 |
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| matjazp | bye | 17:42 |
| ianychoi | Bye! :) | 17:42 |
| matjazp | #endmeeting | 17:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 23 17:42:36 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-11-23-17.02.html | 17:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-11-23-17.02.txt | 17:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-11-23-17.02.log.html | 17:42 |
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| adam_g | #startmeeting astara | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 23 18:01:52 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adam_g. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'astara' | 18:01 |
| adam_g | i/ | 18:01 |
| adam_g | o/ rather | 18:02 |
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| adam_g | markmcclain is not going to be here this morning. davidlenwell elo ryanpetrello anyone else around? | 18:03 |
| davidlenwell | ug .. my cal still shows this meeting for an hour from now | 18:03 |
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| adam_g | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2015/astara.2015-11-16-18.01.html | 18:05 |
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| adam_g | #topic Outstanding project rename tasks | 18:05 |
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| adam_g | i think we're still waiting on markmcclain's patches to update the astara repo's code and modules for the rename | 18:06 |
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| adam_g | i did the code renaming for astara-horizon and the DIB portion of the astara-appliance repo | 18:06 |
| adam_g | those are up for review now | 18:06 |
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| adam_g | davidlenwell, saw some of your doc patches have landed. there are still more coming i assume? | 18:07 |
| elo | i'm around | 18:08 |
| adam_g | oh, and weve officially moved over to #openstack-astara | 18:08 |
| davidlenwell | adam_g: I was waiting on the rename patches before I continued.. there are still a lot of unknowns | 18:08 |
| adam_g | davidlenwell, what do you mean? | 18:08 |
| davidlenwell | the remaining files still reference paths to things and process names that are pre-rename.. still say akanda rug.. | 18:09 |
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| davidlenwell | since I don't know exactly how mark is moving things around it seemed silly to try to update that file | 18:10 |
| adam_g | davidlenwell, the processes / console script have all already been rename to astara-* equivs | 18:10 |
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| adam_g | also im specifically wondering about http://akanda.readthedocs.org/en/latest/developer_quickstart.html | 18:10 |
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| adam_g | the devstack instructions should be fine to update now | 18:11 |
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| davidlenwell | I am doing that in paralel to the new functionality in devstack.. | 18:11 |
| adam_g | sincec thats an entry point for potential new users/devs, we need that updated to reflect new locations/variables/repos | 18:11 |
| davidlenwell | I can do the doc first though | 18:12 |
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| adam_g | davidlenwell, any chacne you can push it up sooner? it should be a relatively simple one | 18:12 |
| adam_g | cool | 18:12 |
| davidlenwell | my morning is back to back meetings .. but later this after noon I should have time to get that in | 18:12 |
| adam_g | #action davidlenwell to continue /w doc patches, specifically getting the devstack/quickstart guide updated | 18:13 |
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| adam_g | #action markmcclain to continue on /w astara module renames | 18:13 |
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| adam_g | #topic Mitaka Development | 18:13 |
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| adam_g | davidlenwell, how is the devstack work coming along to add ability to standup new features? | 18:14 |
| adam_g | ive enriched the functional test suite in our tree with some patches that are up, and would be able to piggyback on your work to add similar functional tests for LB | 18:14 |
| davidlenwell | I'm just about ready with the lbaas functionality.. will try to push that today .. | 18:14 |
| davidlenwell | the debug iterations are slow | 18:15 |
| adam_g | im hoping we can get our test suite beefed up a bit now before we start really rolling on new mitaka features | 18:15 |
| davidlenwell | have been burning down and starting with a new vm each test.. running into a bug then fixing it then running it again.. | 18:15 |
| adam_g | davidlenwell, ive found our stuff generally does a pretty good job of cleaning up with unstack.sh, making it easier to just unstack.sh + fix bug + stack.sh rather than wiping the VM | 18:16 |
| davidlenwell | okay | 18:16 |
| adam_g | the subsequent stack's are much quicker with warm caches and already-installed packages | 18:17 |
| davidlenwell | yes they are | 18:17 |
| adam_g | ryanpetrello, around? | 18:17 |
| davidlenwell | I'll get it repeating clean that way then test it again with a fresh vm | 18:17 |
| davidlenwell | do we want the ha rug stuff in devstack too? | 18:18 |
| adam_g | davidlenwell, it already is | 18:18 |
| adam_g | well, its enabled by default | 18:19 |
| adam_g | so we exercise it with a single node/process | 18:19 |
| davidlenwell | ahh | 18:19 |
| adam_g | if we want to expand that we can either look to add an option to spawn multiple astara processes on one node | 18:19 |
| adam_g | or use the multinode devstack stuff to do it across 2 nodes | 18:19 |
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| adam_g | its not the easiest thing to actual test tho, at least not ATM | 18:19 |
| davidlenwell | Im just trying to understand if this task includes anything other than lbaas | 18:19 |
| adam_g | davidlenwell, Pez | 18:20 |
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| davidlenwell | ahh.. okay.. I'm gonna need more memory someplace to test that I think | 18:20 |
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| adam_g | davidlenwell, it should work with pez's pool set to 1. then you need only a node that can host 2 booted VMs at once | 18:21 |
| adam_g | also the instance's flavor specs are configurable, so you should be able to shrink it down to its minimum if its not already | 18:21 |
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| davidlenwell | alright.. I'll ping you when I get to that | 18:21 |
| adam_g | k | 18:21 |
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| adam_g | aside from that not much else to report. like i said, im hoping to get our testing a bit more before i start pushing forward with some of the bigger features for this cycle. will likely continue with that till after the tgiving holiday | 18:22 |
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| adam_g | #topic open discussion | 18:22 |
| davidlenwell | adam_g: are you in two days this week or three ? | 18:22 |
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| adam_g | davidlenwell, planning on 3, or maybe 2.5 | 18:23 |
| davidlenwell | I'm only working m-tues | 18:23 |
| elo | adam_g: do you know how to add this project to the activity.openstack.org dashboard? | 18:23 |
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| adam_g | elo, hmm nebver seen that before | 18:24 |
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| adam_g | elo, someone in #openstack-infra should be able to tell you | 18:24 |
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| adam_g | im sure its managed via a git repo somewhere | 18:24 |
| elo | yeah.. it the metrics for development. | 18:25 |
| adam_g | so one thing i'd like some feedback on is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246005/ which configures the astara API endpoint in keystone | 18:25 |
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| adam_g | theres a corresonpding horizon patch at https://review.openstack.org/246039 to do the lookup via keystone instead of config file | 18:26 |
| adam_g | also, i created a astara gerrit dashboard that ive been using, others might find it handy: https://goo.gl/onzTmP | 18:26 |
| elo | ok. will review and give useful feedback | 18:26 |
| adam_g | anyone got anything else? | 18:27 |
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| elo | all good | 18:28 |
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| adam_g | cool. tty all later | 18:29 |
| adam_g | #endmeeting | 18:29 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2015/astara.2015-11-23-18.01.html | 18:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2015/astara.2015-11-23-18.01.txt | 18:29 |
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| yamamoto | hi | 20:59 |
| mestery | o/ | 20:59 |
| hichihara | hi | 20:59 |
| kevinbenton | Hi | 20:59 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 20:59 |
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| salv-orlando | aloha | 20:59 |
| neiljerram_bb | o/ | 20:59 |
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| yamahata | hello | 20:59 |
| dasm | \o | 20:59 |
| ihrachys | \o\ | 20:59 |
| rtheis | hi | 20:59 |
| mestery | ihrachys: Are you dancing? :) | 20:59 |
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| ihrachys | /o/ | 21:00 |
| dasm | \o/ | 21:00 |
| regXboi | ola | 21:00 |
| ihrachys | /o_ | 21:00 |
| johnbelamaric | hi | 21:00 |
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| mlavalle | yeah ihrachys is dancing | 21:00 |
| mestery | lol | 21:00 |
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| regXboi | ihrachys is either dancing or practicing IRC semaphore | 21:00 |
| armax | #startmeeting networking | 21:00 |
| regXboi | you choose which :) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 23 21:00:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| ihrachys | trying to keep myself awake | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:00 |
| garyk | hi | 21:00 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 21:00 |
| rossella_s | hi | 21:00 |
| mhickey | hi | 21:00 |
| hoangcx | hi | 21:00 |
| HenryG | o/ | 21:00 |
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| armax | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 21:01 |
| manjeets | hi | 21:01 |
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| armax | this may end up being a short meeting…but let’s see | 21:01 |
| dougwig | o/ | 21:01 |
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| sc68cal | o/ | 21:01 |
| mlavalle | armax: don't jinx it.... | 21:02 |
| armax | no announcements/reminders on the agenda | 21:02 |
| mestery | armax: You just jinxed yourself | 21:02 |
| armax | however | 21:02 |
| amotoki | hi | 21:02 |
| armax | there’s a couple of things worth announcing | 21:02 |
| * regXboi looks for the murphy lightning bolts to land... | 21:02 | |
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| armax | tehre’s an ongoing conversation on how to deal with development vs release cycle | 21:03 |
| armax | there are some big-tent/stadium initiatives that are trying to figure out what’s the best way to develop/release their code | 21:03 |
| amotoki | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080233.html | 21:03 |
| edgar | hello all! | 21:03 |
| armax | I am not sure of any outcome yet | 21:03 |
| ajmiller | Hi | 21:04 |
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| armax | amotoki: that was initiated by this one I believe | 21:04 |
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| armax | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079773.html | 21:04 |
| neiljerram_bb | think I'm one of the guilty parties there | 21:04 |
| amotoki | yes, right | 21:04 |
| armax | either way, we’ll get to a resolution in the next few days and our release liasion, egregious mestery | 21:05 |
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| armax | will tell us what to do | 21:05 |
| johnbelamaric | certainly networking-infoblox has the same issue others have mentioned - we are coding now but the deliverables will be targeted at Liberty (though we can verify they will work with Mitaka too). Also, we delivered a minimally functional driver and cut a liberty/stable branch, but want to target our more functional version at liberty too | 21:05 |
| mestery | I will | 21:05 |
| mestery | That's what I do | 21:05 |
| * regXboi confirms the mestery is egregious :) | 21:06 | |
| armax | we’ll have to iterate a bit more on what it means to be part of the stadium | 21:06 |
| mestery | "The only thing constant in OpenStack is change." | 21:06 |
| dougwig | and bikeshedding | 21:06 |
| garyk | and process :) | 21:06 |
| armax | so that anyone has a clear idea on what are the benefits and the responsabilities | 21:06 |
| regXboi | anyone? everyone? | 21:07 |
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| russellb | anyone that cares to understand it :) | 21:07 |
| armax | as of now please be patient and hold on the frustration :) | 21:07 |
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| armax | mestery: so long changes are for the better | 21:08 |
| armax | mestery: then change is welcome | 21:08 |
| mestery | armax: We only know if they are after we've tested them | 21:08 |
| armax | mestery: aye | 21:08 |
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| salv-orlando | we need to change everything to make sure things stay the same | 21:08 |
| armax | anyone else has anything to announce? weddings, parties? | 21:08 |
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| manjeets | armax: only openstack or neutron wedding and parties here | 21:09 |
| kevinbenton | Party at Armandos house | 21:09 |
| regXboi | kevinbenton: on thursday, even? | 21:09 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Is armax buying the drinks too? | 21:09 |
| mlavalle | armax: remind the team mitaka-1 is next week | 21:09 |
| ihrachys | big tent! | 21:09 |
| armax | mlavalle: indeed | 21:09 |
| armax | #topic blueprints | 21:09 |
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| ihrachys | :( | 21:10 |
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| armax | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+assignments | 21:10 |
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| armax | #undo | 21:10 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0x8fd3590> | 21:10 |
| armax | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/mitaka/+assignments | 21:10 |
| armax | we have a couple of blueprints that have no assignee/approers | 21:11 |
| armax | *approvers | 21:11 |
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| armax | in particular | 21:11 |
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| armax | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/add-tags-to-core-resources | 21:11 |
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| armax | anyone interested in taking it? | 21:11 |
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| garyk | armax: that would be gal | 21:11 |
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| armax | garyk: as approver | 21:11 |
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| ihrachys | that's an interesting one. does it depend on kevinbenton's attr table work though? | 21:12 |
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| armax | ihrachys: it does | 21:12 |
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| armax | kevinbenton’s change should be in the oven as we speak I think | 21:12 |
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| garyk | i would be happy to sponsir that one as i think that it is super importnat | 21:12 |
| armax | kevinbenton: unless something catastrophic happened | 21:12 |
| ihrachys | I could look at it since I looked at attrs these days already. | 21:12 |
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| ihrachys | but I already have two (though mostly on hold/handled) | 21:12 |
| armax | ihrachys: you got 2, gary got 0 | 21:12 |
| dougwig | did we decide to allow arbitrary vendor fuckage, err, i mean, tags? | 21:13 |
| armax | garyk wins | 21:13 |
| armax | :) | 21:13 |
| armax | either way | 21:13 |
| garyk | i think that kevins lacks a lot of explanation and it may not cater for the tags | 21:13 |
| armax | let’s pin this to gary | 21:13 |
| ihrachys | armax: 'xactly | 21:13 |
| armax | ihrachys: but you’re more than welcome to eyeball it | 21:13 |
| mestery | dougwig: I hope not | 21:13 |
| armax | then there’s regXboi’s instrumentation one | 21:13 |
| kevinbenton | garyk: what is the issue? | 21:14 |
| ihrachys | armax: I will eyeroll it :) | 21:14 |
| garyk | kevinbenton: please see comments on the bug | 21:14 |
| xgerman | mestery: +1 | 21:14 |
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| * regXboi want's to see ihrachys show an eyeroll on IRC | 21:14 | |
| amotoki | dougwig: the proposal is to add tags for API consumers, not for back-ends | 21:14 |
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| garyk | amotoki: +1 | 21:15 |
| armax | anyone is interested in taking regXboi’s bp? | 21:15 |
| mestery | garyk amotoki: +1 | 21:15 |
| mestery | armax: The instrumentation one? I could work with regXboi on that one. | 21:15 |
| armax | then we need assignee and approver for the fwaas v2 | 21:15 |
| sc68cal | that's me and xgearman? | 21:15 |
| xgerman | Yep | 21:15 |
| armax | mestery: you sure? | 21:16 |
| mestery | armax: I've got one, and between dougwig and HenryG, that one is under control | 21:16 |
| armax | you already have neutron-lib one | 21:16 |
| salv-orlando | amotoki, dougwig: indeed the idea is to not pass the tags down to the plugin. Of course, eventually someone will find this extremely unfair and then we'll allow that, but that's for another release ;) | 21:16 |
| mestery | Right, and it's going swimingly | 21:16 |
| armax | is he? oh boy | 21:16 |
| armax | is it | 21:16 |
| mestery | Yes | 21:16 |
| mestery | It is | 21:17 |
| mestery | Thank you :) | 21:17 |
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| armax | mestery: :) | 21:17 |
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| armax | sc68cal: ok, ack | 21:17 |
| dougwig | i'd volunteer to be approver for fw v2, since sean and xgerman will be submitters? | 21:17 |
| amotoki | salv-orlando: that's a fair concern :( | 21:17 |
| armax | I also assigned get-me-network to HenryG | 21:17 |
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| xgerman | dougwig: awesome | 21:17 |
| armax | russellb is neck deep with vlan-aware-vms | 21:17 |
| russellb | drowning | 21:17 |
| russellb | :-p | 21:17 |
| regXboi | russellb: there are still bubbles at the surface, it can't be that bad :-P | 21:18 |
| armax | sc68cal: who is going to do the bulk of the code for fwaas v2 you know? | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | I've looked at vlan-aware-vms today. It seems to me it mostly just a russellb vs armax thing now | 21:18 |
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| * russellb hugs aranjan | 21:18 | |
| xgerman | Aish | 21:18 |
| russellb | err, sorry aranjan | 21:18 |
| * russellb hugs armax | 21:18 | |
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| armax | last man standing wins | 21:18 |
| sc68cal | xgearman: uhhhh | 21:18 |
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| russellb | :) | 21:18 |
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| armax | :) | 21:19 |
| armax | sc68cal: ok | 21:19 |
| mestery | lots of love today | 21:19 |
| sc68cal | armax: we have not determined it yet. Aish is not primary assignee | 21:19 |
| garyk | vlnas are so 80's | 21:19 |
| garyk | vlans | 21:19 |
| amuller | garyk: they made a return with containers | 21:19 |
| xgerman | Yep | 21:19 |
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| garyk | the return of the mainframe :) | 21:19 |
| mestery | garyk: Hey! I resent that! | 21:20 |
| mestery | ;) | 21:20 |
| armax | sc68cal: ah ok, I got it wrong…let’s take this offline | 21:20 |
| sc68cal | can we keep the cross talk to a minimum? | 21:20 |
| russellb | would you rather we go with mpls-aware-vms? | 21:20 |
| russellb | i could propose that instead | 21:20 |
| * regXboi hears faint strains of "the empire march" | 21:20 | |
| mestery | russellb: ++ | 21:20 |
| garyk | yeah that works for me | 21:20 |
| * regXboi is so glad he isn't drinking anything - the computer would be drenched | 21:20 | |
| salv-orlando | russellb: why not sentient vms? | 21:20 |
| russellb | (vlan-aware-vms supports that as an additional segmentation_type actually :-) | 21:20 |
| manjeets | russellb: mpls ? | 21:20 |
| russellb | manjeets: don't mind me | 21:21 |
| xgerman | Token ring? | 21:21 |
| manjeets | ok | 21:21 |
| armax | there was a thread on review focus | 21:21 |
| armax | and work being targeted for mitaka | 21:21 |
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| armax | rossella_s was working on a nice dashboard to keep us in check | 21:21 |
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| regXboi | how about slotted aloha? | 21:21 |
| armax | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079816.html | 21:21 |
| rossella_s | armax yes! feedback is welcome :) | 21:21 |
| ihrachys | we seem to start getting lots of tools using launchpadlib lately | 21:22 |
| amotoki | i see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/rename-tenant-to-project at the bottom of the list. | 21:22 |
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| regXboi | is there a link for the dashboard? | 21:22 |
| armax | rossella_s: I did provide some…btw if the assignee keeps the bp whiteboard current, then the approver should have an easy life to know what to review | 21:22 |
| amotoki | do we have a plan to tackle this in mitaka? | 21:22 |
| mestery | armax: +100000 to that | 21:23 |
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| dougwig | i'd volunteer for the tenant one, but i think i'll have my hands full with neutron-lib. and i think that one is a sleeper. | 21:23 |
| armax | amotoki: as of the keystone v3 one, there’s a bug assigned to mordred | 21:23 |
| armax | that would make neutron work with v3 | 21:23 |
| armax | I initially thought that v2 was going away but then I found out that it’s no longer the case | 21:23 |
| armax | russellb can vouch for that | 21:23 |
| armax | I believe | 21:24 |
| amotoki | armax: got it. thanks | 21:24 |
| dasm | armax: yeah. both v2 and v3 in keystone ought to be supported | 21:24 |
| armax | having API consistency across the wider ecosystem is nice though | 21:24 |
| armax | but I don’t see any volunteers stepping up | 21:25 |
| russellb | nice to knock that out earlier, rather than being a straggler (says the guy not volunteering for it) | 21:25 |
| armax | even though from what I can see we should have fire power in order to handle it | 21:25 |
| armax | I look here: | 21:25 |
| armax | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/mitaka/+assignments | 21:25 |
| armax | and I see lots of core dudes and gals missing | 21:25 |
| armax | gals meaning ladies not gal sagie | 21:26 |
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| ihrachys | I hope we don't need to call out names ;) | 21:26 |
| armax | ihrachys: no need | 21:26 |
| armax | ihrachys: names are right there for anyone to see :) | 21:26 |
| mestery | lol | 21:26 |
| armax | or not | 21:26 |
| ihrachys | armax: no, those names are NOT there | 21:26 |
| armax | ihrachys: right, same difference | 21:27 |
| ihrachys | and that's exactly the issue | 21:27 |
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| salv-orlando | ihrachys: well, call out names then ;) | 21:27 |
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| kevinbenton | Salvatore! | 21:27 |
| armax | truth to be told the assignments do not capture the whole story | 21:27 |
| ihrachys | salv-orlando: I am still young to believe in humanity | 21:28 |
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| mestery | armax: There are subtleties? | 21:28 |
| armax | so let’s move on, I did say this meeting was indeed going to be short | 21:28 |
| dasm | armax: if no one wants to look at renaming tenant to projects, i can try to do this. | 21:28 |
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| armax | dasm: devising a plan to start with would be helpful | 21:28 |
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| armax | we don’t even have that at the moment | 21:28 |
| dougwig | dasm: several of us want to, but are over-subscribed. i'd be happy to review. | 21:28 |
| dasm | +1 | 21:28 |
| armax | dasm is your LP handle? | 21:29 |
| dasm | smigiel-dariusz | 21:29 |
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| amotoki | dasm: thanks for taking it. my idea is that API accepts both (project/tenant_id). | 21:29 |
| garyk | i am sorry to push the process here but i think that we need a spec for the tenant-id <=> project | 21:29 |
| armax | it’s right here: | 21:30 |
| garyk | it requires discussion and there are a lot of implications here | 21:30 |
| armax | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/rename-tenant-to-project | 21:30 |
| manjeets | will it restricted to project only or both will be supported ? | 21:30 |
| garyk | that is just the BP and it does not really discuss things | 21:30 |
| salv-orlando | I think this has been discussed for quite some time. The first time was back in Portland. | 21:30 |
| dougwig | i think armax referred to needing a plan first. whether that's a spec, or devref, or ML thread, we can discuss there. | 21:30 |
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| armax | we’ll have to elaborate on the plan and a spec is most likely the place where the discussion will happen | 21:30 |
| salv-orlando | but we never managed to put a plan together | 21:30 |
| armax | salv-orlando: we never wanted to | 21:31 |
| salv-orlando | armax: that is true as well. | 21:31 |
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| mestery | armax: Someone's gotta actually sign up, propose a plan, and then do it. | 21:31 |
| armax | salv-orlando: :) | 21:31 |
| dougwig | and not mess up the delicate things like upgrade and db migrations. :) | 21:32 |
| armax | mestery: I am mulling over some retaliation strategy :) | 21:32 |
| salv-orlando | as you know this is a merge conflict train wreck. If it were me doing this, I would limit myself to the API level change | 21:32 |
| mestery | dougwig: Details, details | 21:32 |
| salv-orlando | leaving 'tenant' in all internal data structures and in the db schema | 21:32 |
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| russellb | salv-orlando: +1 | 21:32 |
| dougwig | column rename will obliterate rolling upgrade, but that's a digression for another time. | 21:32 |
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| salv-orlando | but since it is not me doing this... meh! I'll just pick up a paintbrush and a random color ;) | 21:33 |
| mestery | lol | 21:33 |
| amotoki | i like salv-orlando's idea as a first step. | 21:33 |
| ihrachys | it is also an expensive unneeded contract migration. | 21:33 |
| dasm | salv-orlando: xD | 21:33 |
| mestery | armax: I thought you said this meeting would be short? | 21:33 |
| mordred | just reading the blueprint now | 21:33 |
| mordred | (hey all) | 21:33 |
| armax | mestery: it’s still 33 minutes pat | 21:33 |
| armax | past | 21:33 |
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| regXboi | mestery: he jinxed it | 21:33 |
| carl_baldwin | api only sounds good to me too | 21:34 |
| armax | mordred: hi, I shamlessly pulled you in for bug 1503428 | 21:34 |
| openstack | bug 1503428 in neutron "Support keystone V3 API" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503428 - Assigned to Monty Taylor (mordred) | 21:34 |
| mordred | I don't think updating the schema is particularly as useful as adding support for the word project to the API | 21:34 |
| mordred | armax: yup. ossum | 21:34 |
| armax | mordred: +1 | 21:34 |
| mordred | I'm guessing there are places in teh neutron api where tenant is used then? | 21:34 |
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| armax | mordred: yes there are | 21:34 |
| mordred | _awesome_ | 21:34 |
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| armax | let’s have dasm look into it | 21:35 |
| mordred | woot | 21:35 |
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| armax | and we’ll discuss during next week’s meeting | 21:35 |
| dasm | agree | 21:36 |
| armax | thanks dasm! | 21:36 |
| armax | #topic Bugs!!! | 21:36 |
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| armax | garyk: it looks like it was a quite week? What’s your take? | 21:36 |
| * armax hands over the mic | 21:36 | |
| garyk | ok, a few things: | 21:37 |
| garyk | last week the majority of bugs were lbaas | 21:37 |
| mestery | yay for lbaas! | 21:37 |
| garyk | this week they were access-control (aka rbac) | 21:37 |
| garyk | kevin was on top of most | 21:37 |
| garyk | there is one that is blocking - https://review.openstack.org/247019 | 21:37 |
| garyk | https://launchpad.net/bugs/1514810 | 21:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1514810 in neutron "Turning on 'enable_dhcp' on subnet update cause request failure for pluggable IPAM" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Gary Kotton (garyk) | 21:37 |
| armax | I noticed we got a lot fewer bug reports than usual | 21:37 |
| * armax looks | 21:38 | |
| garyk | i still feel like we should have separate bugs repos for each stadioum project | 21:38 |
| garyk | stadium project | 21:38 |
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| armax | garyk: blocking how? | 21:38 |
| armax | garyk: you mean it’s a gate failure? | 21:39 |
| neiljerram_bb | I thought we already have per-project bug repos | 21:39 |
| garyk | what i means is that is some one decide to create a subnet without dhcp and then wants to enable it they cannot when using ipam | 21:39 |
| armax | neiljerram_bb: we do, but neutron + neutron *-aas is a single deliverable | 21:39 |
| salv-orlando | neiljerram_bb: perhaps it was meant to be "reps" not "repos" | 21:39 |
| garyk | neiljerram_bb: no, not for lbaas, fwaas, etc. | 21:39 |
| armax | and as such they are tracked with a single LP project | 21:39 |
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| armax | garyk as per governance current status | 21:40 |
| neiljerram_bb | Ah yes, I remember that case now | 21:40 |
| mestery | Yes, the single LP project keeps it simple | 21:40 |
| armax | gary should that change, we’ll revisit | 21:40 |
| armax | but as of now, one LP project it is | 21:40 |
| garyk | mestery: i think that it complicates the triage and gives a misrepresentation of the core neutron bugs. | 21:40 |
| armax | it doesn’t complicates it | 21:40 |
| armax | bugs are bugs | 21:40 |
| mestery | garyk: How so? I don't agree | 21:40 |
| mestery | right | 21:41 |
| armax | whether they target one project or another | 21:41 |
| salv-orlando | armax: yeah but regardless of how they're tracked I think that from the neutron perspective it might make sense to have bug deputys which are comfortable enough with the subject matter. I just don't know if the community has enough volunteer | 21:41 |
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| garyk | when say 70% are lbass, fwaas and vpaas are those core? | 21:41 |
| * salv-orlando I shot the sheriff, but I did shot no deputy | 21:41 | |
| dougwig | i'm not sure that's a typical week, is it? if so, that's surprising. | 21:41 |
| armax | salv-orlando: the deputy should reach out the sme in the areas to get help | 21:41 |
| salv-orlando | armax: makes sense | 21:42 |
| armax | no-one is asking a single individual to do the whole heavy-lifting | 21:42 |
| garyk | anyways, i pass the baton on to …? | 21:42 |
| garyk | rossella_s: ? | 21:42 |
| armax | as soon as you can see that a bug affects, let’s say vpnaas | 21:42 |
| armax | what’s so complicated about it? | 21:42 |
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| rossella_s | garyk, yes | 21:42 |
| * salv-orlando this is thanksgiving week... it's going to be lighter ;) | 21:42 | |
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| garyk | cool | 21:42 |
| dougwig | garyk: find the LT for that area, pass on the triage. | 21:42 |
| armax | having a different project would only make the bug report go to a differnt project | 21:42 |
| manjeets | i thinks tags is enough for now | 21:42 |
| armax | actually | 21:42 |
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| armax | I almost wonder if we should fold the client bug reports into the neutron | 21:43 |
| armax | but let | 21:43 |
| armax | but let’s not go there | 21:43 |
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| salv-orlando | armax: as the client has a different release model that might be tricky | 21:43 |
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| armax | salv-orlando: right | 21:43 |
| dougwig | since the interface always get the filing, i can see the 'almost', yeah. | 21:43 |
| armax | salv-orlando: that’s why I am saying…let’s not go there | 21:44 |
| armax | garyk: anything else worth raising besides the blocker bug you pointed out? | 21:44 |
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| garyk | manjeets: fixed a bug that would have broken the gate if the client got updated. | 21:44 |
| armax | as for splitting the LP project into the aas ones | 21:44 |
| armax | prolly the best course of action is to start bike shedding on a governance patch change | 21:45 |
| garyk | i am in a minority here. moving on douglass | 21:45 |
| armax | garyk: feel free to post it | 21:45 |
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| armax | and then we can see whether we can split the LP projects | 21:45 |
| garyk | nope, no more updates on the bugs. | 21:45 |
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| armax | but without that I think we’d be putting the kart ahead of the horse | 21:46 |
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| armax | garyk: ok, cool thanks very much for your help this week | 21:46 |
| armax | next week deputy is rossella_s | 21:46 |
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| armax | what about the week after that | 21:46 |
| armax | any takers? | 21:46 |
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| armax | come on, you know you want to | 21:46 |
| dougwig | i can | 21:46 |
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| regXboi | armax: pass around the straws - short one gets the node | 21:47 |
| armax | we have a winner of a $100 amazon gift card! | 21:47 |
| manjeets | who | 21:47 |
| Sukhdev | wow!!! do I hear bribes going on here? | 21:47 |
| armax | you didn’t see that coming did you? | 21:47 |
| armax | #action dougwig bug deputy for teh week of Nov-30 | 21:48 |
| armax | Sukhdev: not bribes | 21:48 |
| regXboi | armax: is that gift card branded with Monty Python's Inquisition? | 21:48 |
| armax | incentives | 21:48 |
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| dasm | Sukhdev: it's after volunteering, so it's _probably_ not a bribe | 21:48 |
| armax | moving on | 21:48 |
| armax | #topic Docs | 21:48 |
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| armax | emagana is not here :( | 21:48 |
| armax | #topic Open Discussion | 21:49 |
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| armax | dougwig: you’re up | 21:49 |
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| edgar | armax: I am actually here! | 21:50 |
| kevinbenton | i think dougwig is gone | 21:50 |
| dougwig | work on neutron-lib has started, and we pulled over neutron.i18n, because so many use it. amotoki mentioned that each repo needs its own, so it gets its own catalog. but we have not been doing that. it's only about six lines of code, so i'm cool either way, but what do the i18n folks have to say? | 21:50 |
| armax | edgar: oops | 21:50 |
| dougwig | kevinbenton: no, dougwig is driving through nevada, hoping his LTE connection holds | 21:50 |
| edgar | armax: n.p. | 21:50 |
| edgar | dont want to change the meeting | 21:50 |
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| edgar | just keep going | 21:50 |
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| amotoki | dougwig: that is my understanding on i18n. I need to investigate more. | 21:50 |
| armax | edgar: ok, feel free to chime in, I didn’t see your usual handle | 21:50 |
| ihrachys | I believe catalog is defined by a string. so I would have a wrapper that gets the string and does remaining magic. | 21:51 |
| edgar | armax: yeap.. I got a new laptop and all needs to be re-configured! | 21:51 |
| amotoki | dougwig: it is not a blocker at the moment. I can investigate the right approach. | 21:51 |
| dougwig | amotoki: we'll need to merge the one in neutron-lib either way; the question is whether we export it for other projects to use. and if we go fix all the subprojects that are grabbing it from neutron. | 21:51 |
| dougwig | amotoki: ok, thanks. | 21:51 |
| armax | dougwig: as far as I can tell it makes sense to move it, I have seen many projects using it | 21:51 |
| amotoki | dougwig: my vote is to leave i18n stuff as-is. | 21:51 |
| armax | dougwig: I wonder if it needs to be wrapped as ihrachys suggested | 21:51 |
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| dougwig | amotoki: it's not a leave or not issue. it's a use it once from neutron-lib, or clone it everywhere. because they all have strings, even the lib. | 21:52 |
| armax | dougwig: what I mean, is we can have one in neutron-lib that neutron will eventually move on to | 21:52 |
| dougwig | armax: right, the old entry point sticks around until N no matter what. | 21:52 |
| armax | dougwig: and anything else that cares about it can use it from there | 21:52 |
| ihrachys | well my understanding of i18n stuff from old times when I did led some i18n work suggests that every project should have its own catalog, otherwise there is no way for them to provide translations because you don't merge compiled i18n .mo files, so they just use whatever is translated for neutron, and nothing for their own unique messages, and most of their i18n marks are wasted. | 21:53 |
| dougwig | armax: i think the point is how we libify in a way that lets neutron and networking-vendorA have different message catalogs. not how we invoke the code. and i'm not clear enough on openstack i18n to know the answer. | 21:54 |
| ihrachys | I guess each repo should have its own catalog, *aas repos included. | 21:54 |
| dougwig | ihrachys: and is it the gettext call in the base __init__ that sets that up? or something else? | 21:54 |
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| armax | dougwig: do we know who would know the answer to this question? | 21:54 |
| armax | dougwig: perhaps we’re not even the right crowd | 21:55 |
| dougwig | armax: no, i was hoping someone here would know, or who to ask. i'll head to the ML next, if not. | 21:55 |
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| dougwig | but amotoki volunteered to research | 21:55 |
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| armax | dougwig: ok cool | 21:55 |
| amotoki | dougwig: you can go :-) | 21:55 |
| dougwig | haha, ok. | 21:56 |
| dougwig | i think we can move to the next topic now. | 21:56 |
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| dougwig | ooh, down to one bar of signal. | 21:56 |
| armax | dougwig: text and drive? | 21:56 |
| armax | not good | 21:56 |
| dougwig | armax: rose is driving. | 21:56 |
| armax | dougwig: ah ok | 21:56 |
| ihrachys | dougwig: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/i18n.py#L17 all that is different per project is that domain= string. so that should be a param for the wrapper that would probably return a set of _L* functions. | 21:56 |
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| armax | we got 4 mins left to what seemed to be a very short meeting for me | 21:57 |
| * armax ducks | 21:57 | |
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| armax | anyone else has to mention anything else? wedding, parties? | 21:57 |
| mlavalle | armax: you jinxed it | 21:57 |
| armax | mlavalle: I did it on purpose | 21:57 |
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| mlavalle | LOL | 21:57 |
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| ihrachys | they always say that afterwards | 21:58 |
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| armax | mlavalle: what would I do otherwise? I though the PTL dude only chore was startmeeting/stopmeeting on irc | 21:58 |
| neiljerram_bb | That sounds like your cue for... | 21:58 |
| armax | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 23 21:58:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| armax | neiljerram_bb: there | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-11-23-21.00.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-11-23-21.00.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-11-23-21.00.log.html | 21:59 |
| ZZelle_ | armax, and choose between neutrinos, neutrinians ... :) | 21:59 |
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| neiljerram_bb | :-) | 21:59 |
| armax | ZZelle_: I will | 21:59 |
| armax | :) | 21:59 |
| mlavalle | armax: as long as it makes you feel useful.... | 21:59 |
| dasm | ZZelle_: neutrinos +1 | 21:59 |
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| dasm | thanks all | 21:59 |
| Swami | bye | 21:59 |
| yamamoto | bye | 21:59 |
| garyk | night all | 21:59 |
| hichihara | bye | 21:59 |
| amotoki | thanks | 21:59 |
| hoangcx | bye | 21:59 |
| ZZelle_ | bye | 21:59 |
| mhickey | bye | 21:59 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 21:59 |
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| manjeets | neutrinos | 21:59 |
| salv-orlando | adieu | 21:59 |
| manjeets | bye | 21:59 |
| regXboi | bye | 21:59 |
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| manjeets | happy thanksgiving to all have fun | 21:59 |
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| neiljerram_bb | Bye | 22:00 |
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| mlavalle | manjeets: yeah happy Thanksgiving | 22:00 |
| neiljerram_bb | dougwig: hi to rose; enjoyed meeting in Tokyo | 22:00 |
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| mlavalle | neiljerram_bb: you are a brave man. What time is it for you? 10pm? | 22:01 |
| neiljerram_bb | mlavalle: yes, bed time now! | 22:01 |
| mlavalle | neiljerram_bb: sweet dreams :-) | 22:01 |
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