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| ttx | .o0 | 13:00 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: around? | 13:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 13:00 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting releaseteam | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 22 13:01:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 13:01 |
| ttx | Do we have anyone else from the release team awake at this early hour ? | 13:01 |
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| ttx | I pushed an agenda at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Release_Cycle_Management#Meeting | 13:02 |
| ttx | #topic New service versioning | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New service versioning (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 13:02 | |
| ttx | dhellmann: what's the current status ? 0a0 and setup.cfg bumps done for all ? | 13:02 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I recommended lifeless and dims both read the meeting logs if they can't be here for the meeting because of the timing | 13:02 |
| dhellmann | the bumps are mostly done, just one or two stragglers | 13:03 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:semver-releases+is:open,n,z | 13:03 |
| dhellmann | most of those open items are actually for things that are libraries, which will shift from pre-versioning to post-versioning | 13:03 |
| ttx | hmm, as far as "managed" liberty-1 tags are concerned... only heat and ceilometer are due | 13:04 |
| dhellmann | ironic is in the same situation | 13:04 |
| dhellmann | right | 13:04 |
| dhellmann | I'll prod the ptls today | 13:04 |
| ttx | ok | 13:04 |
| ttx | anything else on that topic ? | 13:05 |
| dhellmann | how do you want to handle the actual tagging work on thursday? | 13:05 |
| ttx | that's the next topic | 13:05 |
| ttx | #topic Liberty-1 milestone | 13:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty-1 milestone (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 13:05 | |
| dhellmann | k | 13:05 |
| ttx | Tried to build a checklist | 13:05 |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/HxkvsrXqgu | 13:06 |
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| ttx | So first, what to do tomorrow during office hours | 13:06 |
| ttx | where PTLs are supposed to show up but most likely will need to be pinged | 13:06 |
| ttx | adjust_blueprints (when merged) should provide the bulk of adjustments, we just need to the PTL to doublecheck the dryrun output | 13:07 |
| ttx | then they should tell us what they still would like to block liberty-1 tags on | 13:07 |
| ttx | would be ok to push tags on Tuesday if they say "now is as good as any time" | 13:08 |
| dhellmann | ok | 13:08 |
| dhellmann | and for the tag, what do we want to use? X.0.0b1? or liberty-1? | 13:08 |
| ttx | the process_bugs line is used to defer liberty-1 incomplete bugs to l2 | 13:08 |
| ttx | X.0.0b1 | 13:08 |
| dhellmann | k | 13:08 |
| dims | dhellmann: ack, will read this log later today :) thanks | 13:08 |
| ttx | the new milestone.sh should do that | 13:08 |
| ttx | ideally we would push both reviews in today | 13:09 |
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| dhellmann | ah, nice, I'll review those changes | 13:09 |
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| ttx | I suggest we send a single email when "all" managed projects that do dev milestones are done | 13:09 |
| ttx | the goal being to send that email before eod Thursday | 13:10 |
| ttx | So I listed the project list | 13:10 |
| dhellmann | I like that | 13:10 |
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| dhellmann | send to the announce list, I assume | 13:10 |
| ttx | My feeling is that we should skip Ironic | 13:10 |
| ttx | dhellmann: well, that's a good question actually | 13:10 |
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| ttx | we can send to announce (since it's a single one) | 13:10 |
| dhellmann | yes, when ironic is ready for a new release we'll switch them to post-versioning and use release_library.sh | 13:11 |
| * dhellmann makes a note to rename that | 13:11 | |
| ttx | we can send to dev (since it's technically not a "release") | 13:11 |
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| dhellmann | I like the idea of being consistent and sending all release-related announcements to the announce list, but I see your point about using the dev list, too | 13:11 |
| ttx | I vote for announce | 13:12 |
| dhellmann | I agree | 13:12 |
| ttx | So I'll test that checklist in the morning during office hours | 13:13 |
| ttx | if for any reason it doesn't work or it's incomplete I'll add to the etherpad | 13:13 |
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| dhellmann | ok | 13:13 |
| dhellmann | I'll read through it more closely after the meeting, in case I have other questions | 13:14 |
| ttx | I suspect we'll have a presence between office shours too anyway | 13:14 |
| ttx | sure, ideally you'd give the two linked reviews a quick look today so that we can merge that first version of them | 13:14 |
| dhellmann | yep, that's first on my list for when we're done | 13:14 |
| ttx | ok, anything else on that topic ? | 13:15 |
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| dhellmann | are you planning to use the project list in that etherpad to mark of the projects as they are done? | 13:15 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yes, I think that will replace my paper well :) | 13:15 |
| dhellmann | for tuesday's checkup, and for the tags themselfs | 13:16 |
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| dhellmann | yes, sorry, I know paper is more convenient :-) | 13:16 |
| ttx | less webscale though | 13:16 |
| ttx | #topic Library releases | 13:16 |
| dhellmann | heh | 13:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Library releases (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 13:16 | |
| ttx | So the library release managers have been busy trying out the new process lately | 13:16 |
| ttx | how did that work ? | 13:17 |
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| dhellmann | so far, so good. I think I saw lifeless mention a pbr release and irc doesn't seem to be aflame this morning so I assume that went ok | 13:17 |
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| dhellmann | I'm going to work with dims on the oslo releases this week, and let him start managing all of those directly so I can concentrate on the non-oslo stuff | 13:18 |
| ttx | ok, anything we need to urgently cover in that area ? Or I can happily ignore it and focus on liberty-1 tags ? | 13:18 |
| dhellmann | we had the doc tools release that andreas asked for and it went well except that the package included a bug, and I think lifeless helped with a new release there | 13:18 |
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| dhellmann | I think you can focus on the liberty-1 stuff | 13:18 |
| ttx | yep | 13:18 |
| ttx | Cool, a few items to cover in open discussion now | 13:19 |
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| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 13:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 13:19 | |
| ttx | First thing is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192685/ | 13:19 |
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| ttx | Basically Gnocchi has branches where they do backports | 13:19 |
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| ttx | but those are not aligned to the 6-month dev cycle at all | 13:20 |
| ttx | and not really handled (or controlled for the matter) by stable-maint | 13:20 |
| ttx | so it has its own policy of acceptable backports and all | 13:20 |
| dhellmann | I think we should keep the name stable for that 6month cycle, but make a new tag describing backports on different cycles | 13:20 |
| ttx | I think we need to protect the brand | 13:20 |
| ttx | The question is more... is there value in designating projects that have "some backport branch" | 13:21 |
| dhellmann | shall I see if I can think of some new wording for the existing tag, and write up a new tag description? | 13:21 |
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| dhellmann | it's useful to know, I guess. We do have several projects for which we do not manage backports at all | 13:21 |
| ttx | if you can't predict what the policy there is, I'm not sure it has value | 13:21 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I thought maybe saying something like "on a project-defined schedule" or something | 13:22 |
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| dhellmann | maybe call it release:bug-releases? or release:does-backports? | 13:22 |
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| dhellmann | if it's a different release model, it seems useful to capture how it is different even if that is a bit vague | 13:23 |
| ttx | I'm just unsure what the description would be... "does some amount of backports with an indetermined policy" ? | 13:23 |
| ttx | and then, what question does this answer ? | 13:23 |
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| dhellmann | it at least tells deployers whether they are likely to get a bug fix release, or only new feature releases that also include bug fixes | 13:24 |
| ttx | how would two projects with that tag be even comparable ? | 13:24 |
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| dhellmann | which can make a difference in deciding to upgrade, or which package to put in a distro | 13:24 |
| ttx | hmm, ok | 13:24 |
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| ttx | so some does-backports with a stable-branch-tm subgroup | 13:24 |
| ttx | I'll explore that | 13:25 |
| dhellmann | I would make the 2 tags mutually exclusive | 13:25 |
| ttx | #action ttx to explore splitting has-stable-branches into does-backports and has-official-stable-branches | 13:25 |
| dhellmann | stable-branch is a very specific form of backports, and does-backports is more general and project-specific | 13:25 |
| dhellmann | keep the definitions high-level | 13:26 |
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| ttx | btw when building that project list on the L1 etherpad I couldn't find a magic combo of tags that would deliver what I was looking for | 13:26 |
| ttx | which I think means we need to refine them, now that we evolved the release models | 13:26 |
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| dhellmann | I noticed a comment about swift there, what is the issue with that? do we not tag their releases? | 13:27 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: we don't do a liberty-1 tag for them | 13:27 |
| ttx | or for Ironic for the matter | 13:28 |
| ttx | so there is no query that will give us the right list | 13:28 |
| ttx | it's currently manually built | 13:28 |
| ttx | with brain juice | 13:28 |
| dhellmann | hmm, that's not good | 13:28 |
| dhellmann | at-6mo includes projects that release more often, I guess? | 13:28 |
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| ttx | yes, which is the problem | 13:29 |
| ttx | so if you add "AND NOT release:independent" you get the right thing I suspect | 13:29 |
| ttx | but that's rather convoluted | 13:29 |
| dhellmann | ok, maybe we should change that one to "on-cycle-cadence" and then drop those projects, which will still be listed under has-stable-branches | 13:29 |
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| ttx | type:service AND release:managed AND NOT release:independent | 13:29 |
| * dhellmann doesn't want to build a query language | 13:30 | |
| ttx | right | 13:30 |
| dhellmann | let's try to (re)define the tags to be more suitable | 13:30 |
| ttx | some on-default-cycle or follows-dev-milestones | 13:30 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, a new one is probably best, just to be safe | 13:30 |
| ttx | to replace at-6mo-cycle-end which kinda duplicates has-stable-branches now | 13:30 |
| dhellmann | I can write that up | 13:30 |
| ttx | I can do it too | 13:31 |
| ttx | I'll just have to give it a bit deeper thought on paper | 13:31 |
| dhellmann | ok, if you're going to be working on tags anyway it might be easiest to have them as a series of patches | 13:31 |
| janonymous | o/ | 13:31 |
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| ttx | next open discussion was about the series-to-version mapping tool | 13:32 |
| ttx | so the thing that sayd nova liberty is 12.0.0 | 13:32 |
| ttx | what data should that tool work from | 13:32 |
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| ttx | I mean, we can certianly make sure LP is accurate and query that | 13:32 |
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| ttx | but I'm not sure that's very future-proof | 13:33 |
| ttx | we could do some double-tagging in git and derive from that too | 13:33 |
| dhellmann | what's the ultimate goal for that tool? to provide a page showing the *current* version of each project in a series, or to show the major/minor release for each project in a series? | 13:34 |
| ttx | I'd say both. You should be able to ask "what is nova liberty final release" and "what series does 12.1.0 belong to" | 13:35 |
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| dhellmann | hmm, ok. I wasn't thinking of going backwards from number to series, just from series to number | 13:35 |
| ttx | Also do we need a CLI tool or a website/page | 13:35 |
| ttx | or both | 13:36 |
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| dhellmann | if we only need to record what numbers are in a series, a simple text file that could be turned into a webpage would be easy | 13:36 |
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| dhellmann | we could even include it in the governance repository | 13:36 |
| ttx | Maybe if the page looks very good it can easily answer that second question | 13:37 |
| dhellmann | although that's not great for projects that end up being renamed | 13:37 |
| ttx | I kind like the LP series graph | 13:37 |
| dhellmann | yes, so maybe making sure LP is up to date is good for now, and if we move to another tool for project tracking we can rethink how we do it? | 13:38 |
| dhellmann | LP doesn't make it easy to find all of the projects in a given release, though | 13:38 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/glance/+series | 13:38 |
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| ttx | nope it doesn't | 13:38 |
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| dhellmann | hmm | 13:39 |
| ttx | ok well, food for thoughts | 13:39 |
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| dhellmann | yes, I wasn't thinking of anything this fancy, but I'll give it more thought | 13:39 |
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| ttx | just wanted to check I wasn't overlooking an obvious solution | 13:39 |
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| dhellmann | somehow this feels like info we could/should put in the projects list in the governance repo, but we would not want that to have exact versions, just ranges | 13:40 |
| dhellmann | and then we could link off to LP for digging deeper | 13:40 |
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| ttx | OK, last topic, I'm recording a PTL webinar on release management in the next hour | 13:41 |
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| dhellmann | I'll play with git and see what sorts of tag queries are easy | 13:41 |
| ttx | Slides at https://www.dropbox.com/s/b2wssks1i1ryi3t/relmgt_liberty.pdf?dl=0 | 13:41 |
| ttx | mostly introducing changes, as cascading fallout from the project structure reform | 13:42 |
| dhellmann | the slides look good, no surprises | 13:43 |
| ttx | cool, thx for the quick review :) | 13:43 |
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| ttx | We'l see if I make sense. Prepared those this morning | 13:43 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: anything on your side ? | 13:44 |
| dhellmann | I was mostly concerned about the checklist for this week, but you put that together so I just need to review it and make sure I don't have questions | 13:44 |
| dhellmann | ttx: oh, do we want to post something to blog.openstack.org about the reversioning? | 13:45 |
| ttx | ack | 13:45 |
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| dhellmann | it might be useful to mention that in your presentation, too | 13:45 |
| ttx | we can post something after l1 like "you may have noticed..." | 13:45 |
| dhellmann | although I guess the PTLs all know | 13:45 |
| ttx | it is in the presentation | 13:46 |
| ttx | I'll write something up on my blog | 13:46 |
| dhellmann | ah, I see it | 13:46 |
| ttx | at the end of the week | 13:46 |
| dhellmann | ok, sounds good | 13:46 |
| ttx | when the 0b1 tags will be there (rather than just the 0a0 | 13:46 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 13:47 |
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| ttx | alright, that should be enough for this week | 13:47 |
| ttx | last word ? | 13:47 |
| dhellmann | I think we're done | 13:48 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 13:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 22 13:48:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-06-22-13.01.html | 13:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-06-22-13.01.txt | 13:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-06-22-13.01.log.html | 13:48 |
| ttx | dhellmann: thx! | 13:48 |
| dhellmann | ttx: thanks, ttyl | 13:48 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting Rally | 14:11 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 22 14:11:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:11 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:11 |
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| e0ne | hi | 14:11 |
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| boris-42 | e0ne: hi there | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: ping | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | yfried__: ping | 14:12 |
| rvasilets | o/ | 14:12 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets: hi | 14:12 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: ping | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: ping | 14:13 |
| redixin | boris-42, pong | 14:13 |
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| amaretskiy | зщтп | 14:14 |
| amaretskiy | *pong | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | okay let's start | 14:15 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Broken cinder attach volume update | 14:15 |
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| boris-42 | e0ne: hey could you share update regarding to this? | 14:15 |
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| e0ne | boris-42: i've posted a fix https://review.openstack.org/193828 | 14:16 |
| e0ne | i'll ping other cores to merge it when they will be available | 14:16 |
| e0ne | boris-42: also i'm going to add more rally tests to cinder gates | 14:16 |
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| boris-42 | e0ne: ok great | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | e0ne: interesting why tempest still works.... | 14:18 |
| e0ne | boris-42: because we don't have cinder-backup by default | 14:19 |
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| boris-42 | e0ne: ah ok | 14:19 |
| e0ne | boris-42: i'm going to ask this question in openstack-dev ml too | 14:20 |
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| boris-42 | e0ne: great | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | let's move to next topic | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | #topic Rally task abort Finally! | 14:21 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: your turn !=) | 14:21 |
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| andreykurilin | hi hi) | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161636/ | 14:22 |
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| andreykurilin | this patch implements "task abort" command | 14:22 |
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| andreykurilin | it is already pass all jobs | 14:23 |
| andreykurilin | abort command accepts soft and hard mode | 14:23 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: uh +340 =) | 14:23 |
| andreykurilin | yeah) | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: will review it today | 14:23 |
| andreykurilin | ~200 LOC is only tests) | 14:24 |
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| andreykurilin | http://logs.openstack.org/36/161636/35/check/gate-rally-dsvm-cli/ad5028b/rally-cli-output-files/TaskTestCase/test_abort.html#/Dummy.dummy/overview | 14:24 |
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| andreykurilin | sla "aborted_manually" was added for aborted tasks | 14:25 |
| andreykurilin | I don't think that SLA is a right place | 14:25 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: we don't have another for now | 14:25 |
| andreykurilin | but we don't have another field for such information(aborted, something gone wrong and etc) | 14:25 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: yes) | 14:25 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: I belive it's another thing that we should change in our DB schema | 14:26 |
| andreykurilin | yup | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: okay great | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | #topic Rally CI news | 14:27 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: ping could you share what are the news for Rally CI? | 14:27 |
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| redixin | Rally CI itself was updated, but no new jobs | 14:29 |
| redixin | (for rally project) | 14:29 |
| boris-42 | redixin: what did you update inisde it? | 14:30 |
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| redixin | format of config file was changed. also added new web ui (using aiohttp instead of websockets module) | 14:31 |
| redixin | also im working on adding jobs which triggered on ref-updated events | 14:32 |
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| redixin | boris-42, thats all | 14:33 |
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| kun_huang | boris-42: pong a bit late | 14:36 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: is it avaialble? | 14:36 |
| boris-42 | redixin: I mean web ui? | 14:36 |
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| redixin | boris-42, sure. here is current ui of Rally CI: http://185.8.56.88:8080/ | 14:37 |
| redixin | currently no jobs | 14:37 |
| boris-42 | redixin: heh ok =) | 14:37 |
| boris-42 | redixin: we should write this in each message from rally-ci | 14:37 |
| redixin | it just show running jobs. it is possible to add more info. statistics, recent jobs etc | 14:38 |
| boris-42 | redixin: e.g. to track process take a look at Rally CI page: : http://185.8.56.88:8080/ | 14:38 |
| boris-42 | redixin: in any case it's intersting | 14:38 |
| boris-42 | redixin: but nobody knows that it exists... | 14:38 |
| boris-42 | redixin: so just put it | 14:38 |
| redixin | ok | 14:38 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Rally monasca job | 14:39 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: seems like there is new project rally monasca | 14:39 |
| boris-42 | redixin: that would like to have benchmarks in rally tree | 14:39 |
| boris-42 | redixin: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187351/ | 14:40 |
| boris-42 | redixin: could you take a look is it possible to add rally jobs=) | 14:40 |
| redixin | yeah, I saw this patch | 14:40 |
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| redixin | boris-42, do you mean job in Rally CI? | 14:40 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: it will be better in Infra | 14:41 |
| redixin | boris-42, ok | 14:41 |
| boris-42 | #topic Open disucssion | 14:41 |
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| boris-42 | do we have something to discuss? | 14:41 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: redixin ? | 14:42 |
| redixin | nope | 14:43 |
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| boris-42 | e0ne: kairat_kushaev ? | 14:43 |
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| e0ne | boris-42: what about multiple openstack services api verstions support?:) | 14:43 |
| boris-42 | e0ne: I will think these days what is the best way to do this | 14:44 |
| boris-42 | e0ne: what about just having separated benchmarks for various versions? | 14:44 |
| e0ne | boris-42: i don't like copy-paster | 14:44 |
| boris-42 | e0ne: I mean yep it will have some code duplication but from other side it will be very clear code | 14:44 |
| boris-42 | e0ne: okay I have to analyze this deeper | 14:45 |
| e0ne | boris-42: i need go deeper why https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193685/ failed | 14:45 |
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| andreykurilin | e0ne: maybe something like http://paste.openstack.org/show/313685/ | 14:46 |
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| kairat_kushaev | andreykurilin: Hello! Did you have free time to investigate n-net logs when heat was failing? | 14:48 |
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| andreykurilin | kairat_kushaev: hi! I don't have enough time to find the issue:( | 14:49 |
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| kairat_kushaev | andreykurilin: Ok) | 14:49 |
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| boris-42 | okay let's finish meeting | 14:55 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 14:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 22 14:55:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-06-22-14.11.html | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-06-22-14.11.txt | 14:55 |
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| asselin | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| asselin | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 22 15:00:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asselin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
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| asselin | hi, anyone here for 3rd party meeting? | 15:01 |
| lennyb_ | asselin: Hi | 15:01 |
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| asselin | i'll filling in for anteya today | 15:01 |
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| asselin | hi lennyb_ | 15:01 |
| patrickeast | hi | 15:01 |
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| asselin | morning patrickeast | 15:01 |
| lennyb_ | if there are no agenda, I have a question regarding zuul | 15:01 |
| marcusvrn_ | Hi | 15:02 |
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| asselin | normally no formal agenda, but will double-check to see if anyone added something | 15:02 |
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| asselin | lennyb_, go ahead | 15:02 |
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| * asselin didn't find agenda for today | 15:03 | |
| * lennyb_ preparing paste | 15:03 | |
| krtaylor | o/ | 15:03 |
| asselin | hi krtaylor | 15:03 |
| krtaylor | asselin, yeah, usually not an agenda for the office hours meetings | 15:03 |
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| asselin | anteaya did ask me to inform the team that she completed her action item | 15:04 |
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| asselin | there is now a footer in 3rd party announce e-mails to request people join these meetings | 15:04 |
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| krtaylor | excellent | 15:05 |
| lennyb_ | in case of dependencies in patchset I see that ZUUL_CHANGES=openstack/nova:master:refs/changes/80/72380/5^openstack/nova:master:refs/changes/81/72381/5^openstack/nova:master:refs/changes/82/72382/5^openstack/nova:master:refs/changes/12/182212/3^openstack/nova:master:refs/changes/13/182213/3 what key should I export, so my devstack will actually pick this up? | 15:05 |
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| asselin | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-06-15-15.02.html | 15:05 |
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| asselin | #info anteaya to look into adding link to third party meetings in -announce ml footer -- DONE | 15:05 |
| lennyb_ | I tried to check logs of another CIs, but they usually pick only the last one. | 15:06 |
| asselin | lennyb_, where do you see this? | 15:06 |
| krtaylor | that was my biggest surprise from summit, that there were still so many new test operators that were not aware of this resource | 15:07 |
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| asselin | lennyb_, i suppose that's the env variable exported by zuul/Jenkins into the jenkins slave running the job? | 15:10 |
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| lennyb_ | asselin: yes. ZUUL_CHANGES is exported. example https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182213 patch 3, ZUUL_CHANGES=openstack/nova:master:refs/changes/80/72380/5^openstack/nova:master:refs/changes/81/72381/5^openstack/nova:master:refs/changes/82/72382/5^openstack/nova:master:refs/changes/12/182212/3^openstack/nova:master:refs/changes/13/182213/3 . but I should export PROJECT_BRANCH , so devstack will install this patch | 15:11 |
| patchbot | lennyb_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/3/ | 15:11 |
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| asselin | lennyb_, which job on that patch are you looking at? | 15:13 |
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| asselin | lennyb_, normally, everything is setup automatically in the setup_workspace file | 15:14 |
| asselin | e.g. http://logs.openstack.org/13/182213/3/check/check-tempest-dsvm-full/41e92a3/logs/devstack-gate-setup-workspace-new.txt.gz | 15:14 |
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| lennyb_ | asselin: I cant export $PROJECT_BRANCH as ZUUL_CHANGES, since git can not recognize the syntax of the dependencies. | 15:15 |
| lennyb_ | asselin: http://144.76.193.39/ci-artifacts/182213/3/Nova-ML2-Sriov/ | 15:15 |
| asselin | lennyb_, and zuul already prepared the version of nova that should be used and is provided and used here: http://logs.openstack.org/13/182213/3/check/check-tempest-dsvm-full/41e92a3/logs/devstack-gate-setup-workspace-new.txt.gz#_2015-06-10_19_10_50_653 | 15:15 |
| lennyb_ | asselin: normally there are no dependencies or at least ZUUL | 15:16 |
| lennyb_ | $ZUUL_CHANGES is a single-patch | 15:16 |
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| asselin | lennyb_, right, but zuul provides a single ref that is supposed to represent all of those changes | 15:18 |
| asselin | lennyb_, 05:09:46 ZUUL_REF=refs/zuul/master/Z566957bb03a2438585b033252b4ff5b3 | 15:18 |
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| asselin | in upstream, this ref is pulled in here: http://logs.openstack.org/13/182213/3/check/check-tempest-dsvm-full/41e92a3/logs/devstack-gate-setup-workspace-new.txt.gz#_2015-06-10_19_10_49_677 | 15:20 |
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| asselin | if it doesn't exist, then it uses backup/default branches, usually master | 15:20 |
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| asselin | Does anyone else have other topics to bring up? | 15:22 |
| lennyb_ | asselin: thanks a lot, I will check it. | 15:22 |
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| asselin | I wanted to make people aware of this zuul bug fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191216/ | 15:23 |
| asselin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191216/ | 15:23 |
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| asselin | #info zuul Support external cross-project dependencies in ui now merged | 15:23 |
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| patrickeast | yay! | 15:23 |
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| patrickeast | asselin: thanks for fixing that | 15:24 |
| asselin | it's been affecting lots of 3rd party folks, so definitely cherry-pick it if you cannot upgrade to master | 15:24 |
| lennyb_ | asselin: thanks for the fix. | 15:24 |
| krtaylor | asselin, I wanted to bring up the new meeting time for the third party ci working group -> 1700UTC Tuesday (starting this week) | 15:25 |
| asselin | #topic new meeting time for the third party ci working group -> 1700UTC Tuesday (starting this week) | 15:25 |
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| asselin | krtaylor, thank you | 15:26 |
| krtaylor | np, I'll also send out a meeting reminder | 15:26 |
| asselin | +1 good idea | 15:27 |
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| asselin | #topic zuul: Add the ability to abort jobs on a patch merge | 15:27 |
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| asselin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192819/ | 15:27 |
| asselin | I also submitted this patch ^^ which should help 3rd party folks | 15:27 |
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| asselin | in case you have a slow system, avoid posting results a few days after it merges :) | 15:28 |
| lennyb_ | btw, what about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188383/ will it be merged? | 15:28 |
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| asselin | leifz, seems it waiting on adding test cases | 15:29 |
| asselin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188383/ | 15:29 |
| asselin | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188383/ waiting on test cases for merge | 15:30 |
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| asselin | if I get a chance I'll see if I can do it since I added some tests recently for my zuul patch mentioned earlier | 15:31 |
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| asselin | but would be best if evgeny would do it. anyone know how to ping him? | 15:32 |
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| asselin | actually he did do it on a dependent patch | 15:32 |
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| asselin | #action asselin to ask jeblair to remove -1 | 15:33 |
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| asselin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191588/2 <-- review | 15:33 |
| asselin | Any other topics? | 15:34 |
| asselin | #topic common-ci | 15:35 |
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| asselin | I'd like people to review the "zuul" patches here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:downstream-puppet+status:open,n,z | 15:35 |
| asselin | I think we're close to merging, so getting extra eyes on those would be good. | 15:36 |
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| asselin | I think we can get that done this week, and then we're another big step closer to an in-tree common-ci solution! | 15:36 |
| asselin | comments/questions? | 15:37 |
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| mmedvede | asselin: thanks for moving common-ci forward. Unfortunately, I was not able to be more involved in it | 15:38 |
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| asselin | mmedvede, every bit counts. After zuul I plan to target nodepool...there's lots of great changes going on there. | 15:40 |
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| asselin | #topic open discussion | 15:41 |
| fbo_ | asselin, I am ready and available to upgrade zuul patches if needed ... but yeah I guess we need more reviews on it :) | 15:41 |
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| asselin | fbo_, yeah, some of your patches merged friday, so the next set need to be updated | 15:41 |
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| asselin | fbo_, if you can do that soon that will help reviewers and testers | 15:42 |
| fbo_ | asselin, yes now the road is open to have those zuul patches merged and move to the next steps :) | 15:42 |
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| asselin | fbo_, +1 I really think it can be done this week! | 15:43 |
| fbo_ | asselin, yes sure I'll do that tomorrow and ping you for the review | 15:43 |
| asselin | thank you | 15:43 |
| fbo_ | For sure we'll succeed to have that merged this week ! | 15:43 |
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| fbo_ | you are welcome | 15:44 |
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| asselin | Anything else from anyone? can give back 15 minutes | 15:44 |
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| asselin | #end-meeting | 15:46 |
| krtaylor | thanks asselin ! | 15:46 |
| asselin | #endmeeting | 15:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 22 15:46:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-06-22-15.00.html | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-06-22-15.00.txt | 15:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-06-22-15.00.log.html | 15:46 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 22 16:00:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:00 | |
| rakhmerov | hi team | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
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| xylan_kong | hi, i'm here | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | good to see you here ) | 16:00 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: how's your vacation | 16:00 |
| LimorStotland | Hi all | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | as usually, let's wait a couple of minutes | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | ooh, it was ok thanks :) pretty lazy. Books and video games mostly | 16:01 |
| xylan_kong | LimorStotland: glad to see you here | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | hi Limor ) | 16:01 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: cool | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | next time I will go somewhere :) | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | ideally ocean coast or mountains | 16:02 |
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| xylan_kong | yeah, i like mountains | 16:02 |
| LimorStotland | you 2 and congrats xylan_kong | 16:02 |
| xylan_kong | LimorStotland: ? | 16:02 |
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| NikolayM | hi all! | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | congrats? | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | with what? :) | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | I am curious too | 16:03 |
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| LimorStotland | the mail on the core... | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | oooh, that thing :) | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | let's what others say ) | 16:03 |
| xylan_kong | you know i'm going to be a father | 16:03 |
| xylan_kong | LimorStotland: :-) | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | oooh, that is a much more important thing actually! | 16:04 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: yes, exactly | 16:04 |
| xylan_kong | i will have a baby next month | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | let me know when you have a baby, I'll have a drink for his/her health (russian tradition) | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:04 |
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| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: sure, thanks! | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | then let's start | 16:04 |
| LimorStotland | Ooooo as we see in hebrew mazel tov!!! | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | someone from StackStorm might come but I'm not 100% sure | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | ok, usually we start with "Review action items" topic but we haven't had meetings for a while so let's skip it | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | the agenda is at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MistralAgenda | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | btw, just a quick note about our team meetings in general | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | I'd like to ask you to visit them at least once in a while if you can | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | even though it may seem useless for someone I notice that meetings help to keep member active | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | I don't know how exactly but it really works | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | :) | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | and please let me know in advance what you'd like to bring up at a next meeting | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | you can just modify that page that I posted here or reply to a reminder email | 16:08 |
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| LimorStotland | Ok | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | ook, let's move on | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Current Status (issues, roadblocks, etc.) | 16:09 |
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| NikolayM | my status: | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | in this traditional topic we usually report what we worked on last week, what we are working on now and what problems we have | 16:09 |
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| NikolayM | my status: worked on blueprint 'run individual actions', researched and developed new RPC layer for mistral (alternative RPC) | 16:10 |
| m4dcoder | I worked on running unit tests on postgresql/mysql. there's a blocker on mysql version, need folks to comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192961/ | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | m4dcoder, hey! I didn't notice you're here ) | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | good to see you here | 16:11 |
| xylan_kong | my status: | 16:11 |
| m4dcoder | i also started the "resume" feature. if there're additional comments/inputs, please review the thread in the ML. | 16:11 |
| m4dcoder | hey, Renat! | 16:11 |
| xylan_kong | my status: * implement a poc for retrieving executor service (it's used in workflow 'target'), but we need to discuss if everyone feels cool with it, so i can continue to work on it. | 16:11 |
| xylan_kong | * add description support for execution, the api part has been merged, the client part is on review | 16:11 |
| xylan_kong | * test database initialization for mysql and sqlite, correct the documentation | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | m4dcoder, ok, I'll see and comment on your patch | 16:11 |
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| LimorStotland | My status:i am working on puppet installation | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:12 |
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| m4dcoder | @rakhmerov: thanks! | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | guys, I see that you have some issues, let's discuss them in a few mins | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:13 |
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| NikolayM | also I had to move some patches from master to stable/kilo because devstack was not working there | 16:13 |
| LimorStotland | i am on my phone so i met disconnect and connect again | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | my status: I just came back from vacation and was digging in my inbox all day, also reviewed and approved several patches and made a quick change in mistral-dashboard/.gitreview file | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | alright | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | good | 16:14 |
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| NikolayM | rakhmerov, those patches also already on review for week or more | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | nope | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | there wasn't a patch for mistral-dashboard repo | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | I checked | 16:15 |
| NikolayM | https://review.openstack.org/191273 | 16:15 |
| NikolayM | and https://review.openstack.org/191406 | 16:15 |
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| xylan_kong | yes | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | ooh... how come I missed them?.. | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | sorry | 16:15 |
| NikolayM | I think you saw that | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | no-no, I was checking it specifically but for some reason I didn't see them for mistral-dashboard | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | ok, thanks, my fault | 16:16 |
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| LimorStotland | about the bp on chrome trigger in sec i have an issue.the oslo scheduler is under oslo-incubator are we fine with it? | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's open a topic | 16:18 |
| NikolayM | yes, we use periodic tasks | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | yes, I think that's fine | 16:18 |
| LimorStotland | Ok thanks | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | we're going to get rid of as many packages from openstack/common as possible but for now we can't avoid all of them | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | so it's fine | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Liberty-1 status | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | guys, we're supposed to release a dev milestone this week, Liberty-1 | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | https://launchpad.net/mistral/+milestone/liberty-1 | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | so I'd like to sync up with you on what you think is feasible and what's not | 16:20 |
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| NikolayM | so, we have just 2 days before the liberty-1.. | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | let's go over all the BPs now quickly and update their status | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | well, it's basically till the end of week | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | so we can think 3-4 days | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | not too much though I agree | 16:21 |
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| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: it's fine with my bp | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | this milestone is not too strong though and I don't want you to feel in rush but anyway, let's sync up | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's go over them | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/run-unit-tests-on-postgresql | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | m4dcoder, can you comment on this BP? | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | how much is left on it? | 16:22 |
| m4dcoder | the bp is up on review basically | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | you said you had some blocker | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | or it was about mysql config? | 16:23 |
| m4dcoder | dzimine wants to see mysql included. but there's a problem with gate test for mysql | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | what kind of problem? | 16:23 |
| m4dcoder | support for usec in datetime is only in mysql 5.6.4 and greater. | 16:24 |
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| dzimine | Hi there | 16:24 |
| m4dcoder | hey, dmitri! | 16:24 |
| NikolayM | hi! | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | hi dzimine, good to see you here! | 16:24 |
| xylan_kong | hi, dzimine | 16:24 |
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| dzimine | Sorry I'm late. Catching up. | 16:24 |
| NikolayM | devstack gate installs mysql itself and there is no reason to point it also in requirements.txt, I think | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | ok, m4dcoder, I agree that we need to have mysql stuff also. I think we can keep working on it | 16:25 |
| NikolayM | the same for postgres | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | I'm not sure I understand the full context but can't we install any mysql version that we need on a gate? | 16:26 |
| NikolayM | after that we'll have new devstack-gate with postgres where it also will be installed by devstack scripts | 16:26 |
| m4dcoder | NikolayM, yeah, i can move the py lib for mysql and postgresql to the test script. that's not a big deal. the problem i have is the mysql version that devstack gate installs. | 16:26 |
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| rakhmerov | where is this version specified? | 16:26 |
| dzimine | Re requirements.txt technically you are right but in practice everyone who set up mistral stepped at the trap of oh I don't have Python lib. | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | in an installation script? | 16:27 |
| m4dcoder | also, rakhmerov, in this patch, i'm just supporting the unit tests to run from script (run_tests.sh). still haven't figure out how to run the postgresql tests in devstack gate. | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, I see | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | but basically the BP is considered to be done? except we still owe you a review, right? | 16:28 |
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| m4dcoder | yes. more like help with removing blocker. | 16:28 |
| NikolayM | dzimine, agree with you but installing everything is not the answer, right? | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | great, then let's keep working on that problem offline (IRC, ML and meetings if needed) | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | next BP: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-alternative-rpc | 16:29 |
| NikolayM | it's mine | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM, it seems like you won't be able to finish it till the end of week, right? | 16:29 |
| NikolayM | let's move it to liberty-2 | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | even though I know you made a progress on it | 16:30 |
| NikolayM | yes | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's do it | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | the next one: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-workflow-variables | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | LimorStotland, did you have a chance to look at it? | 16:31 |
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| xylan_kong | maybe he is not here for the moment | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | she | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:32 |
| xylan_kong | she? | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:32 |
| xylan_kong | a girl? ooh, sorry | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, a pretty girl I should say :) | 16:32 |
| xylan_kong | ok, forgive me | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's go on and figure out the status of this BP later | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/yaql-v1-0 | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM, any news on this one? | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | did you talk to Murano folks about it? | 16:33 |
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| LimorStotland_ | I am here not yet sorry | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:35 |
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| NikolayM | I ask them to ping me if it will any progress here | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | just sent you an email with the same question.. | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | LimorStotland_, is there a chance you'll look at it this week? | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | NikolayM, ok, got it. Same situation basically | 16:35 |
| NikolayM | so, I can ask them again and get the answer | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | #action NikolayM: discuss yaql 1.0 with Murano team | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | the next one: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-execution-description | 16:36 |
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| xylan_kong | oh, it's mine | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong, it's on review, yes | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | I see | 16:37 |
| xylan_kong | as i mentioned for my status, the api side is done | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | I'm sure it will be merged tomorrow | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 16:37 |
| xylan_kong | but with a bug, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193811/ | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | what bug? | 16:37 |
| xylan_kong | then the client side could pass the jenkins | 16:37 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: please see the patch, it's for the bug | 16:38 |
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| xylan_kong | lack of tests when i submit the previous patches for the bp | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, you mean we have a bug and BP filed for the same thing? | 16:38 |
| xylan_kong | yes | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | can you please remove one of them from LP? | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | it's confusing | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | at your choice | 16:39 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: no-no, i mean i filed a bug, and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193811/ is for that | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | I actually see this rather a BP than a bug though so you might want to change a patch commit message | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | hm... | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | anyway, do you think you'll be able to finish everything on that this week? | 16:41 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-execution-description | 16:41 |
| xylan_kong | yes, sure | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | I mean client side etc. | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | ok, cool | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | nice job | 16:41 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: certainly yes | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | next one: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/bash-completion-script-optimization | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | is done | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | no questions here | 16:41 |
| xylan_kong | yep | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-retry-continue-on | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | NikolayM, I know it's on review but are there still any issues on that? | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | I remember we discussed a lot about it | 16:42 |
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| xylan_kong | the code has been merged | 16:43 |
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| NikolayM | it was merged recently, about 5-6 hours ago :) | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, yes | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | right | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | then let me fix its status | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | sorry, overlooked it | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | next one: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-run-individual-action | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM, your estimation? | 16:44 |
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| NikolayM | so, I think I finish it for day or two | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | ok, cool | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | and the last one | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | #topic BP: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-explicit-task-parameters | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | this one is assigned to me but we still actually don't have any detailed description on what we want to do here | 16:46 |
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| rakhmerov | I was actually going to discuss it with you today but looks like we don't have enough time for that | 16:46 |
| xylan_kong | yes, i read it, but can't make sure i understand | 16:46 |
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| rakhmerov | so I would suggest I come up with a better spec (tomorrow) and let you know so that you comment it | 16:47 |
| xylan_kong | ok, sounds great | 16:47 |
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| m4dcoder | sounds good. | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | if it's ok then I might have a chance to implement it and squeeze into Liberty-1 (not too likely though) | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | basically, the idea is simple: if we need to jump to some task from many tasks (like "notify" task in lots of our unit tests) then it's not convenient to pass an input for it always using "publish" keyword | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | just too verbose | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | so the idea is to be able to configure that input as a set of regular function parameters | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | but, of course, it leads to a number of questions: how exactly is it going to work, are those params going to replace same vars in the context etc. etc. | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | so I'll describe everything first clearly. | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | alright | 16:50 |
| xylan_kong | ok, i see | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Open Discussion | 16:50 |
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| rakhmerov | anything else guys? | 16:51 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: can we talk about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-executor-membership | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:51 |
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| xylan_kong | i just submited the poc code | 16:51 |
| xylan_kong | just to prove what i want to do, and how i want it to be implemented | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | I am not familiar with Tooz though | 16:52 |
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| rakhmerov | is it only going to work for our executors? | 16:52 |
| xylan_kong | process initialization: http://dpaste.com/39QSHHP | 16:53 |
| xylan_kong | get executros api: http://dpaste.com/1HTNMHM | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | I mean I'm kind of trying to understand the concept: why do we need this lib for executors but not for other components? | 16:53 |
| xylan_kong | yes, it can be used in other compoments | 16:53 |
| xylan_kong | just see if we have the use case | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | and what does it bring to us? | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | briefly | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | if it's possible ) | 16:54 |
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| xylan_kong | we want to know how many executors in our system, and who are they, so we can use them in workflow | 16:55 |
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| rakhmerov | is this info stored in a DB? | 16:55 |
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| xylan_kong | no | 16:55 |
| m4dcoder | are we going to have specialized executors? | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | or works differently | 16:55 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: it can use zookeeper as backend | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | m4dcoder, no, it's just a service to manage and monitor currently running executors and their properties | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:56 |
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| rakhmerov | xylan_kong, I think we just need to review your patches | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | first | 16:56 |
| xylan_kong | ok | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | do you have any specific questions you'd like to bring up right now? | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | about it | 16:56 |
| m4dcoder | in general, having tooz to track components can be useful, say if there're no executor available, then the API or engine should schedule the execution request for later, etc. | 16:57 |
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| m4dcoder | i'm unsure how it can be used directly in the WF if it's not supporting specialized executor. maybe an example | 16:57 |
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| rakhmerov | one thing that concerns me is that ideally we need this kind of management console for all the system components: engines, apis, executors (scheduler later) | 16:57 |
| xylan_kong | m4dcoder: target | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:57 |
| xylan_kong | m4dcoder: i saw it when i start to learn mistral | 16:58 |
| xylan_kong | but i don't know its history | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | it's not supposed to be used in WF language, it's just a runtime tool | 16:58 |
| m4dcoder | also, if we are using tooz, we can also take advantage of it to refactor distributed locking in mistral. | 16:58 |
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| xylan_kong | m4dcoder: yes, exactly | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, good though | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | thought | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | well, so far it wasn't really needed though | 16:58 |
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| rakhmerov | different topic I think anyway | 16:59 |
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| xylan_kong | ok | 16:59 |
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| rakhmerov | so ok, I mean maybe we should think about more general management console, not only about executors | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | that was my concern | 16:59 |
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| m4dcoder | +1 | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | or just implement it for executors for now with a goal in mind to extend it later for other components | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong, what do you think? | 17:00 |
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| xylan_kong | ok, i will write a more detailed spec for the future work | 17:00 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 17:00 |
| m4dcoder | thx | 17:00 |
| xylan_kong | :-) | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, shoot... we're out of time | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | thanks guys! great meeting | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | looking forward to talk to you again | 17:01 |
| rakhmerov | thanks | 17:01 |
| rakhmerov | bye | 17:01 |
| xylan_kong | thanks | 17:01 |
| xylan_kong | bye | 17:01 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| NikolayM | bye! | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 22 17:01:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-06-22-16.00.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-06-22-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-06-22-16.00.log.html | 17:01 |
| m4dcoder | thanks guys! cya | 17:01 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi, ping | 17:03 |
| dguitarbite | sarob, ping | 17:03 |
| rluethi | sup | 17:03 |
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| sarob | ugh | 17:03 |
| sarob | hey | 17:03 |
| matjazp | hey | 17:03 |
| rluethi | hi | 17:03 |
| sarob | i have another meeting again | 17:04 |
| sarob | someone else needs to run the meeting | 17:04 |
| sarob | this one | 17:04 |
| dguitarbite | I vote for rluethi | 17:04 |
| dguitarbite | or sayali | 17:04 |
| dguitarbite | or matjazp | 17:04 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: you have two votes :) | 17:05 |
| rluethi | I vote for pranav, he hasn't chaired in a while. | 17:05 |
| rluethi | :-) | 17:05 |
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| dguitarbite | democracy rules! rluethi the chair | 17:05 |
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| * dguitarbite would love to chair but he does not know any commands :D | 17:05 | |
| rluethi | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 22 17:05:50 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rluethi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:05 |
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| vigneshvar_ | hi | 17:06 |
| rluethi | #link https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot | 17:06 |
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| rluethi | and now you know. hi vigneshvar_ | 17:06 |
| matjazp | hi vigneshvar_ | 17:06 |
| rluethi | alright. short agenda, as has been the case for a while. | 17:07 |
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| rluethi | #topic reviews | 17:07 |
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| rluethi | matjazp, did I miss anything I should have reviewed? | 17:08 |
| matjazp | rluethi: not this time. There were other votes | 17:08 |
| dguitarbite | hi vigneshvar_ | 17:08 |
| rluethi | matjazp: other votes? | 17:08 |
| matjazp | I'm just not comfortable with merging if there are no other votes | 17:09 |
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| matjazp | even with trivial patches | 17:09 |
| matjazp | rluethi: we managed to get votes by other community members | 17:09 |
| rluethi | matjazp: I see. I tried to pay attention, but I didn't see anything that seemed to need me. | 17:09 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: I'll ping you in the comment if we need you | 17:09 |
| matjazp | rluethi: like we agreed | 17:10 |
| rluethi | matjazp: okay, just checking, I want to live up to my promises. | 17:10 |
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| rluethi | so, anything in the review queue that needs discussion? | 17:10 |
| sayalilunkad | hello | 17:10 |
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| rluethi | hi sayalilunkad | 17:10 |
| matjazp | sayalilunkad: hi | 17:10 |
| dguitarbite | no but I got something that would make matjazp happy | 17:11 |
| vigneshvar_ | sayalilunkad: hi | 17:11 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: do I need to change the topic for that? | 17:11 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi, no | 17:11 |
| matjazp | i'm all ears :) | 17:11 |
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| dguitarbite | the rst is published on the gerrit | 17:12 |
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| matjazp | where? | 17:12 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp, http://docs-draft.openstack.org/83/191783/1/check/gate-training-guides-tox-doc-publish-checkbuild/ea783a0//publish-docs/draft/ | 17:13 |
| dguitarbite | just check that, the job which states http://docs-draft.openstack.org/83/191783/1/check/gate-training-guides-tox-doc-publish-checkbuild/ea783a0//publish-docs/ | 17:13 |
| dguitarbite | sorry | 17:13 |
| dguitarbite | the name of the job is gate-training-guides-tox-doc-publish-checkbuild | 17:13 |
| matjazp | dguitarbite: that's for upstream only? it's done for a while now.. I hoped for training guides? | 17:14 |
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| dguitarbite | I just have to update the tox.ini | 17:14 |
| dguitarbite | I was thinking that we need to have some stable content before I can add that | 17:15 |
| dguitarbite | because it will start publishing the slides | 17:15 |
| matjazp | dguitarbite: for draft publishing we dont | 17:15 |
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| matjazp | dguitarbite: and it's much easier to review content when you can see it rendered, not just looking at RST text | 17:16 |
| dguitarbite | If the team agrees I will enable it | 17:16 |
| matjazp | I don't see the problem with draft in gerrit... Just don't publish on the docs web page yet... | 17:17 |
| rluethi | whatever makes matjazp happy and reviewing easier. | 17:17 |
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| dguitarbite | yes, mostly we will start publishing from docs.openstack.org/draft | 17:17 |
| dguitarbite | we could get away with unstable content up there | 17:17 |
| matjazp | I mean don't publish yet for training guides... upstream is ready | 17:17 |
| dguitarbite | since the direct links are not published | 17:17 |
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| matjazp | isn't doc-publish-checkbuild only to publish in the gate? it publishes on the docs.openstack.org pages too? | 17:19 |
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| dguitarbite | not yet | 17:19 |
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| dguitarbite | but I will enable it and there will be only one infra job for it to keep the load on infra lesser | 17:19 |
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| matjazp | that is two steps, right? first enable publishing in the gerit, second is to enable publishing on the doc pages | 17:20 |
| dguitarbite | so its limited from tox.ini | 17:20 |
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| dguitarbite | I have to take a look again, I dont remember what exaclty I did in there. | 17:21 |
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| matjazp | dguitarbite: it'sin tox we have two things: checkbuild and publishdocs | 17:21 |
| dguitarbite | but there are two jobs build and publish | 17:21 |
| dguitarbite | as of now, both are run twice | 17:22 |
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| matjazp | as I see it, it currently enables us to publish on the docs page just upstream training, and to add gerrit publishing for the training guides only too | 17:23 |
| dguitarbite | lets continue this on the ML | 17:23 |
| matjazp | so we should at least publish upstream material, it's finished and tested | 17:23 |
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| dguitarbite | let me check everything once more but as far as I remember I have configured both publish and checkbuild jobs in infra (not in training guides tox.ini) to be run on before and after the review | 17:24 |
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| matjazp | dguitarbite: ok do that and report to the ML please | 17:24 |
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| rluethi | so, we done with that topic for now? | 17:25 |
| matjazp | I'm good | 17:25 |
| rluethi | okay, then | 17:25 |
| rluethi | #topic labs scripts | 17:26 |
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| rluethi | #info rluethi is a bozo, his Juno scripts are broken and need fixing. | 17:26 |
| * dguitarbite is the catalyst ... dont ignore him | 17:26 | |
| sayalilunkad | rluethi: I checked the neutron config | 17:27 |
| rluethi | networking is somehow not set up correctly. | 17:27 |
| sayalilunkad | it seems to be fine.. atleast the config files seem ok | 17:27 |
| rluethi | the instance VM gets an IP address from the DHCP server, but it cannot even ping the default gateway. | 17:27 |
| sayalilunkad | yeah | 17:28 |
| rluethi | sayalilunkad: thanks for looking into it. | 17:28 |
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| sayalilunkad | I will do a Juno deployment manually once to check again | 17:28 |
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| vigneshvar_ | i will try it too | 17:28 |
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| rluethi | thanks everyone, we could really do with some help tracking this down. | 17:29 |
| dguitarbite | and also for labs, the install-guides team is happy to use our scripts | 17:29 |
| rluethi | maybe check the actual configuration of the various network devices. | 17:29 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: not if the scripts are broken :-/ | 17:30 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi, yes, that makes it more important | 17:30 |
| matjazp | rluethi: we need more tests | 17:30 |
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| dguitarbite | the install guides team wants a multinode deployment job | 17:30 |
| matjazp | rluethi: so we can detect these regressions | 17:30 |
| dguitarbite | which will be awesome because our scripts will be checked on a regular basis :D | 17:30 |
| rluethi | matjazp: problem is, our fabulous test script showed the error clearly, it just wasn't run in a while. | 17:31 |
| rluethi | I was sure I had used it to check the scripts, but either I was wrong or the Ubuntu packages have changed. | 17:31 |
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| dguitarbite | ubuntu updates are also quite guilty | 17:32 |
| sayalilunkad | rluethi: I remember deploying th cluster after the juno functional patch too .. funny we missed it | 17:32 |
| dguitarbite | also the ubuntu version updates | 17:32 |
| sayalilunkad | dguitarbite: true | 17:32 |
| dguitarbite | I still cannot believe that Ubuntu just rips of the milestones of a stable release | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | just removes the isos from the mirrors | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | :O | 17:33 |
| rluethi | good thing we have them cached :) | 17:33 |
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| dguitarbite | yes | 17:33 |
| matjazp | we need CI | 17:33 |
| rluethi | matjazp: agreed | 17:33 |
| vigneshvar_ | matjazp: +1 | 17:34 |
| rluethi | our main issue with CI is the virtualbox dependency. | 17:34 |
| sayalilunkad | yes, that makes it very difficult | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi, do not worry about that | 17:35 |
| sayalilunkad | I doubt they have anything to support Vbox related testing | 17:35 |
| dguitarbite | we get the KVM stuff rolling | 17:35 |
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| sayalilunkad | true that would make life easier | 17:36 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: that means getting the python code mature enough to replace osbash wholesale, or getting the kvm support in osbash cleaned up. | 17:36 |
| dguitarbite | prior is better | 17:36 |
| sayalilunkad | but we wold still support vbox so we will need that too | 17:36 |
| rluethi | either way, it won't happen today. | 17:36 |
| dguitarbite | work is almost the same | 17:36 |
| dguitarbite | the install guides automated testing has some time | 17:37 |
| dguitarbite | we have a few months worth of breathing room as of now | 17:37 |
| sayalilunkad | that's good | 17:37 |
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| rluethi | alright, if anyone makes progress fixing the Juno config (you know you fixed it if you can successfully run the launch_instance.sh with the Juno scripts), please let everyone know. | 17:40 |
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| sayalilunkad | yep yep | 17:40 |
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| vigneshvar_ | sure | 17:40 |
| rluethi | #topic anything else | 17:40 |
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| rluethi | are we done then? | 17:41 |
| dguitarbite | yeah | 17:41 |
| sayalilunkad | nothing else from my side | 17:41 |
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| matjazp | me too | 17:41 |
| rluethi | well then, bye everyone. see you next week or so. | 17:41 |
| rluethi | #endmeeting | 17:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 22 17:41:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-06-22-17.05.html | 17:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-06-22-17.05.txt | 17:42 |
| sayalilunkad | bye | 17:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-06-22-17.05.log.html | 17:42 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting akanda | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: akanda)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'akanda' | 18:00 |
| sarob | agenda | 18:00 |
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| sarob | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/akanda | 18:01 |
| sarob | roll call | 18:01 |
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| adam_g | o/ | 18:01 |
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| puranamr | o/ | 18:01 |
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| sarob | markmcclain likely wont be able to join this time | 18:02 |
| sarob | morning all | 18:02 |
| * markmcclain is multi-tasking | 18:02 | |
| sarob | markmcclain: ah, right ;) | 18:03 |
| sarob | first up, | 18:03 |
| sarob | outstanding actions from last meet | 18:03 |
| sarob | #topic outstanding actions | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "outstanding actions (Meeting topic: akanda)" | 18:03 | |
| sarob | filing iptables SNT as a bug | 18:04 |
| sarob | which is here | 18:04 |
| sarob | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1467562 | 18:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1467562 in akanda "Servers without a Floating IP have invalid SNAT rules" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Ryan Petrello (ryan-petrello) | 18:04 |
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| sarob | decision on how to deal with dead repos | 18:04 |
| sarob | which we decided as | 18:04 |
| sarob | wiping the content | 18:05 |
| sarob | leaving a readme with info on the new repos | 18:05 |
| adam_g | yup | 18:05 |
| sarob | plus if the repo is in openstack or stackforge org then | 18:05 |
| sarob | following up a few weeks to month later | 18:05 |
| sarob | and removing the repo as cruft | 18:06 |
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| sarob | anything else from last meet follow up? | 18:06 |
| sarob | #info decision on dead repos as clearing repos with an updated readme. after a month or so, then removing the dead repos in github:stackforge, leaving those in github:akanda | 18:07 |
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| sarob | moving on .... | 18:07 |
| sarob | #topic progress on m1 bp | 18:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "progress on m1 bp (Meeting topic: akanda)" | 18:07 | |
| sarob | #link https://launchpad.net/akanda/+milestone/liberty-1 | 18:08 |
| sarob | first up | 18:08 |
| sarob | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/oslo-updates | 18:08 |
| sarob | adam_g: you have some patches for review | 18:08 |
| adam_g | yup | 18:08 |
| adam_g | should be in their final form and ready for review | 18:09 |
| adam_g | i'd like to squash the oslo.messaging + oslo.log patches into one, after they've each gotten reviewed | 18:09 |
| adam_g | actually, i need to do that--they wotn merge otherwise | 18:09 |
| sarob | thx | 18:11 |
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| sarob | so can the code run on devstack without being squashed into one | 18:12 |
| sarob | looks like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191241/ can't | 18:13 |
| sarob | so we should do visual code review then wait for another mash patch? | 18:13 |
| adam_g | sarob, if you pull down the entire patch stack as it is in gerrit, it will run | 18:14 |
| sarob | ah, okay | 18:14 |
| sarob | any other questions? | 18:15 |
| adam_g | that devstack failure is unrelated (there was an infra change over the weekend that broke something) | 18:15 |
| sarob | adam_g: got it | 18:15 |
| adam_g | yea-id like to get eyes on the patches as they are and then squash them | 18:15 |
| sarob | i didnt dig deeply | 18:15 |
| sarob | blush | 18:15 |
| adam_g | just for the sake of easier reviewing | 18:15 |
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| sarob | okay | 18:16 |
| sarob | lets get adam_g oslo bits reviewed today so he can get it merged this week | 18:16 |
| sarob | moving on | 18:16 |
| sarob | doc updates | 18:17 |
| sarob | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/liberty-doc-updates | 18:17 |
| sarob | i have made a little bit of progress | 18:17 |
| sarob | im working on a reorg patch | 18:18 |
| sarob | i should have it up tomorrow | 18:18 |
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| sarob | moving on | 18:20 |
| sarob | lbaas updates | 18:20 |
| sarob | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/lbaas-v2-support | 18:20 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: whats up? | 18:20 |
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| davidlenwell | oh sorry .. here | 18:22 |
| sarob | np | 18:22 |
| davidlenwell | on the edge of landing the driver code .. standing it up in devstack right now.. will push today | 18:22 |
| sarob | hows the driver plus lbaas bits development going? | 18:22 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: cool | 18:23 |
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| davidlenwell | the lbaas bits will follow | 18:23 |
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| adam_g | s/landing/proposing ;p | 18:23 |
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| sarob | davidlenwell: we need this week to review what you have | 18:24 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: make sure you show us what you got | 18:24 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: so far | 18:24 |
| davidlenwell | yep | 18:24 |
| davidlenwell | I'll push it either way today | 18:24 |
| davidlenwell | even if its broken | 18:24 |
| adam_g | WIP it | 18:24 |
| davidlenwell | yep | 18:24 |
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| sarob | okay, moving on | 18:25 |
| sarob | ci updates | 18:25 |
| sarob | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/liberty-ci-updates | 18:25 |
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| sarob | adam_g: has us running devstack as part of ci now | 18:25 |
| sarob | w00t | 18:25 |
| adam_g | so i think a new release of tox on friday busted ourd job invocation, but should be easily fixed with an infra patch i just put up | 18:26 |
| sarob | adam_g: cool | 18:26 |
| adam_g | theres a patch up to push DIB built images to tarballs.openstack.org | 18:26 |
| adam_g | i'd consider that ci-updates blueprint done pending that merging | 18:26 |
| sarob | adam_g: got a link? | 18:26 |
| sarob | adam_g: got it | 18:26 |
| adam_g | the next iteration of ci-updates should probably be focused on filling out our tests | 18:26 |
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| adam_g | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192922/ | 18:27 |
| adam_g | also, that depends on an akanda-appliance patch here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192915/ | 18:27 |
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| adam_g | (trivial) | 18:27 |
| sarob | adam_g: got it | 18:28 |
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| sarob | pub to tarballs | 18:28 |
| sarob | sweet | 18:28 |
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| sarob | markmcclain: ;) | 18:29 |
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| sarob | markmcclain: just updating on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/liberty-ci-updates | 18:29 |
| sarob | thx adam_g | 18:29 |
| markmcclain | sarob: cool | 18:29 |
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| sarob | so we look to be in good stead to finish up m1 bp this week | 18:30 |
| sarob | moving on | 18:30 |
| sarob | #topic EOL akanda-appliance-builder | 18:31 |
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| sarob | adam_g: i believe other than my pending task to clean out the repo | 18:31 |
| sarob | adam_g: this is completed | 18:31 |
| adam_g | yup | 18:31 |
| sarob | coolness | 18:31 |
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| sarob | #topic any other business | 18:32 |
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| sarob | what y'all say? | 18:32 |
| adam_g | none here | 18:32 |
| markmcclain | none from me | 18:33 |
| puranamr | same here! | 18:33 |
| sarob | okay | 18:34 |
| sarob | by https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/akanda-appliance+OR+project:stackforge/akanda-appliance+OR+project:stackforge/akanda-appliance-builder+OR+project:stackforge/akanda-rug+OR+project:stackforge/akanda-horizon+OR+project:stackforge/akanda-neutron,n,z | 18:34 |
| sarob | we are in pretty good shape | 18:35 |
| sarob | of not orphaning patches | 18:35 |
| sarob | we need to do a good job of reviewing this week so | 18:36 |
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| davidlenwell | I have no other business | 18:36 |
| sarob | we can merge and implement our remaining bp for m1 | 18:36 |
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| sarob | thats all i have | 18:36 |
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| sarob | so lets break early | 18:37 |
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| sarob | have a great day everyone! | 18:37 |
| markmcclain | have a good one | 18:37 |
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| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 22 18:38:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-06-22-18.00.html | 18:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-06-22-18.00.txt | 18:38 |
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| Shamail | hi all | 19:00 |
| geoffarn_ | o\ | 19:01 |
| MeganR | Hi | 19:01 |
| Shamail | barrett1: are you here? | 19:01 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 19:01 |
| barrett1 | I am - Hi | 19:01 |
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| Shamail | I hope everyone is doing great. Ready to start when you are barrett1 :) | 19:02 |
| jimhaselmaier | Good day! | 19:02 |
| barrett1 | OK | 19:02 |
| barrett1 | #startmeeting Product Working Group | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 22 19:03:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is barrett1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
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| barrett1 | let's start with roll call - who's here? | 19:03 |
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| Shamail | Here. | 19:03 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 19:03 |
| geoffarn_ | o/ | 19:03 |
| MeganR | o/ | 19:03 |
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| jimhaselmaier | Here | 19:04 |
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| geoffarnold | (re-nicked) | 19:04 |
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| barrett1 | You can find the agenda for today here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 19:04 |
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| barrett1 | #topic Roadmap Update | 19:05 |
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| barrett1 | Shamail - you want to take this one? | 19:05 |
| Shamail | Sure | 19:05 |
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| Shamail | I plan to email Lauren early this week to schedule a quick conversation around the Product WG roadmap initiative and brain-storm on A) how we can work together to help her deliver the roadmap and B) whether she would be interested in working directly with Product WG members and lead our roadmap sub-team | 19:06 |
| Shamail | I can probably do a read-out by next week (pending her availability) | 19:07 |
| Shamail | I also need to email the WG mailing list.... We don't have any volunteers for this sub-team besides mscohen at this point. | 19:07 |
| Shamail | We need some people to help since we have to re-engage with the Project leads | 19:07 |
| barrett1 | I'll help with the roadmap update | 19:07 |
| Shamail | Thanks barrett1! | 19:07 |
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| Shamail | That is the status of where we are, what we plan to deliver (hopefully) for this release is: | 19:08 |
| MeganR | I'm available to help with the roadmap update as well. | 19:08 |
| jimhaselmaier | I can help as well. | 19:08 |
| Shamail | A) An updated "roadmap" breakout session | 19:08 |
| Shamail | B) A workflow to pass aggregated information to the OpenStack Foundation to update the actual roadmap page | 19:08 |
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| Shamail | C) define a repeatable process for this sub-team (stretch goal this cycle) since we will probably need to be A and B every release | 19:09 |
| Shamail | Thanks MeganR and jimhaselmaier | 19:09 |
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| Shamail | I'll make sure to say that we have 4 volunteers (including myself) int the message to the ML | 19:09 |
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| Shamail | Does what we plan to deliver sound in-line w/ everyone's expectations of this sub-team? | 19:10 |
| barrett1 | It sounds good to me. | 19:10 |
| Shamail | Naturally, aggregating (and sharing) PTL feedback is a sub-task in task B | 19:10 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 19:10 |
| Shamail | thanks barrett1... That's all I had from a roadmap perspectiave | 19:10 |
| Shamail | perspective* | 19:10 |
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| barrett1 | Any questions or comments from others? | 19:11 |
| Shamail | Can you give me an action to talk with Lauren? | 19:11 |
| barrett1 | I'll leave this on the agenda for next week's meeting. | 19:11 |
| barrett1 | Yes. | 19:11 |
| Shamail | and send out the message to ML | 19:11 |
| barrett1 | #action Shamail to contact Lauren about collaborating on the Roadmap process and content | 19:11 |
| Shamail | Thx | 19:12 |
| barrett1 | #action Shamail to send email to ML requesting volunteers to help with roadmap update | 19:12 |
| barrett1 | OK next topic | 19:13 |
| barrett1 | #topic Action Plan Status Updates | 19:13 |
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| barrett1 | The tracker is located here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mpOPVWESpmUsgh69EmACygJZX3dRQ5zTnCi04tPnNBI/edit#gid=0 | 19:13 |
| barrett1 | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mpOPVWESpmUsgh69EmACygJZX3dRQ5zTnCi04tPnNBI/edit#gid=0 | 19:13 |
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| barrett1 | Let's start at the top: Shamail & Hugh: Internal Comms - What's the latest? | 19:14 |
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| Shamail | Hugh and I met last week | 19:15 |
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| Shamail | We are planning to start our action item by first identifying slides that we can re-use from the existing Product WG decks | 19:15 |
| Shamail | We think that our best way forward is to build a standard Product WG overview deck that can be used by the entire team | 19:16 |
| Shamail | This will allow all of us use common messaging and definitions of what the group is planning to do and what it is currently working on | 19:16 |
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| Shamail | We will send out a draft to the ML once we are far enough along and schedule a review during one of our weekly meetings | 19:17 |
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| barrett1 | Do you have a target date for the draft? | 19:17 |
| Shamail | Let's target 7/13 | 19:18 |
| Shamail | I'll update the team if that changes | 19:18 |
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| barrett1 | Sounds good - Thanks | 19:18 |
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| Shamail | Thanks | 19:19 |
| barrett1 | Next one - Repo and Use Case Template - RockyG - What's the latest? | 19:19 |
| barrett1 | Sarob: Are you on? | 19:19 |
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| Rockyg | yup. Bouncing between two meetings | 19:19 |
| Rockyg | New repository: have all the file mods. Need to submit patch to TC | 19:19 |
| barrett1 | what will be the repo name & location? | 19:20 |
| Rockyg | The question is wether we should have a file defining our wg repos as separate from openstack projects and tc | 19:20 |
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| Rockyg | Repo will be openstack/openstack-usecases | 19:20 |
| Rockyg | But we can change that if you like ;-) | 19:21 |
| Rockyg | So, top level | 19:21 |
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| barrett1 | the name works for me | 19:21 |
| Shamail | +1 | 19:21 |
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| Shamail | so who are the proposed core reviewers? | 19:21 |
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| Shamail | since it's top-level | 19:21 |
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| Shamail | (original plan was a sub-location in cross project I think) | 19:22 |
| Rockyg | cbarrett, sarob, shamail, rockyg to start | 19:22 |
| Rockyg | Can be changed later | 19:22 |
| Shamail | Sounds good, thanks for the information. | 19:22 |
| Shamail | Thanks for making this happen Rockyg and sarob! | 19:22 |
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| Rockyg | Hopefully have it up after next week's TC meeting | 19:23 |
| barrett1 | That sound great! | 19:23 |
| barrett1 | Do you want to discuss whether or not rep should be separate from openstack projects and tc? | 19:23 |
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| Rockyg | I'll take that up with the TC. It's simply a structural issue | 19:24 |
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| barrett1 | ok | 19:25 |
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| barrett1 | Do you need any backup/support for the TC meeting? | 19:26 |
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| Rockyg | But, I got the large prod wg to create some use cases in an etherpad. | 19:26 |
| Rockyg | We'll be able to add once we figure out the repo structure itself. | 19:26 |
| barrett1 | +1 | 19:26 |
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| Shamail | +1 | 19:26 |
| Rockyg | That might be worth talking about | 19:26 |
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| barrett1 | Go ahead - what do you think would be helpful? | 19:27 |
| Rockyg | We have verticals that matrix into horizontals. | 19:27 |
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| Rockyg | The verticals create their use cases, but defcore and other ops are also creating smaller, more horizontal use cases | 19:27 |
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| Rockyg | I'm thinking a vertical structure on one side to capture the use cases, then another branch to distill out the horizontal this is what everyone needs | 19:28 |
| Rockyg | That allows rapidly adding use cases then filtering later | 19:28 |
| Shamail | Didn't we discuss adding the supporting-wgs as a tag within the use case? This will allow the repo to be flat but use cases still can be associated with supporting groups (whether horizontal or vertical) | 19:28 |
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| Rockyg | I think we need the tags on the horizontal to identify who the use case affects, but I think we need the vertical because the use cases will break down into many smaller cases | 19:29 |
| Shamail | makes sense | 19:30 |
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| Rockyg | It will also help with defcore in identifying needed interop stuff at the capability level | 19:30 |
| barrett1 | Just to make sure I get it - Verticals are Market Segments (ex. Enterprise, Telco) and Horizontals are Projects? | 19:31 |
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| Rockyg | Horizontals may be single projects or multiple, but pretty much a single unit of operation, i.e. instantiate a VM for a user with all necessary acls | 19:32 |
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| Rockyg | So, one of the steps to realize the full workflow the vertical has defined. | 19:33 |
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| barrett1 | makes sense | 19:33 |
| Shamail | Rockyg and barrett1, but couldn't (or shouldn't) we revisit the actual use case format too (to make sure it's adjusted to capture the necessary data)... | 19:33 |
| Shamail | I view use cases as providing five types of information: 1) Supporting work groups/user communities 2) The epic it falls under 3) The user story 4) The actual description of the use case 5) the list of blueprints (across projects) that need to be implemented to make it work | 19:33 |
| jimhaselmaier | I'm not quite following re: definition of vertical. Is a vertical, by definition, something that has components in multiple horizontals | 19:34 |
| jimhaselmaier | ? | 19:34 |
| Shamail | It still aligns with what you described Rockyg but makes the "use case" the single source for all necessary information for reasoning and implementation status | 19:34 |
| jimhaselmaier | Or is a vertical focused on a market segment as asked earlier - such as Telco? | 19:34 |
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| Rockyg | jimhaselmaier: it tends to be a work flow. So when you break it down into individual use cases, multiple verticals can need the same individual use case to accomplish the flow | 19:35 |
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| jimhaselmaier | ok | 19:36 |
| geoffarnold | Related point: where are the epics defined? | 19:36 |
| Shamail | This is probably a broader discussion and one that needs a workflow diagram possibly... | 19:36 |
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| Rockyg | +1! | 19:37 |
| Shamail | geoffarnold: The thought was that maybe an epic is a theme and it is also stored in the same repo but under a sub-group called "themes" or something.... just brainstorming here since we haven't discussed this as a team yet | 19:37 |
| barrett1 | Shamail: Yes, I think you're right. | 19:37 |
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| geoffarnold | I see epics as part of a hierarchical decomposition of use cases | 19:38 |
| Shamail | geoffarnold: +1 | 19:38 |
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| geoffarnold | one person's epic is another person's colection of specific use cases | 19:38 |
| Rockyg | It's quite matrixed or graphed, however you want to call it ;-) | 19:38 |
| barrett1 | Does someone want to create a work flow picture or text description for the epic/use case/horizontal/vertical/tag? | 19:39 |
| Shamail | I can take the first cut | 19:39 |
| barrett1 | Maybe start by socializing on ML and then we can cover in next week's meeting? | 19:39 |
| Rockyg | And I can comment! | 19:39 |
| Shamail | anyone else? | 19:39 |
| geoffarnold | o\ | 19:39 |
| Rockyg | +1 | 19:39 |
| barrett1 | Thanks Shamail | 19:39 |
| barrett1 | o\ | 19:39 |
| jimhaselmaier | I'd be happy to comment on your first pass. | 19:39 |
| Shamail | sweet, i'll keep you in the loop Rockyg, geoffarnold, and barrett1 | 19:40 |
| Shamail | and jimhaselmaier | 19:40 |
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| Shamail | we can exchange comments and co-present the topic in the next meeting | 19:40 |
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| Shamail | (can I get another action barrett1) lol... | 19:41 |
| barrett1 | Given that we're asking for all use cases to be published by 6/24 - I think a goal for next week's meeting is to get everyone up on the use case repo and template. | 19:41 |
| Shamail | barrett1: +1 | 19:41 |
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| Rockyg | +1 | 19:42 |
| Rockyg | Where is the template currently? | 19:42 |
| Rockyg | Could you do a #info? | 19:42 |
| barrett1 | #action Shamail to draft workflow picture or text description for the epic/use case/horizontal/vertical/tag and socialize on ML | 19:42 |
| DericHorn-HP | Where can we view the existing use cases? | 19:42 |
| barrett1 | #action Barrett1 Add Repo and work flow discussion to next week's team meeting | 19:43 |
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| barrett1 | They are here: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BxtM4AiszlEyfllFelZYR2RqNDFfWVRvWWtlb09laGxwR2ljc3UxVEl5VEpfMEhicnlxUFk&usp=sharing | 19:43 |
| barrett1 | There's a template file in there too | 19:43 |
| barrett1 | Next Topic: Use Cases | 19:44 |
| barrett1 | # Topic Use Cases | 19:44 |
| barrett1 | #Topic Use Cases | 19:44 |
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| barrett1 | How is everyone doing in drafting these? | 19:44 |
| barrett1 | We had targeted Wednesday to have them posted | 19:44 |
| Shamail | I haven't submitted any myself but I will be adding information to some of the ones that are already posted | 19:45 |
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| Rockyg | I'll see about addingg the two from the LS_wg | 19:46 |
| barrett1 | I think we're missing HA use cases | 19:47 |
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| barrett1 | RockyG: Did that come up with the LS WG? | 19:47 |
| Rockyg | Lemme check. | 19:48 |
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| Shamail | barrett1: agreed, but since this is the pilot I am not too concerned | 19:48 |
| Rockyg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Network_Segmentation_Usecases | 19:48 |
| Rockyg | No, that was a discussion on subdividing networks | 19:48 |
| Shamail | I'm personally more interested in use cases that can stress/test the overall workflow for now | 19:48 |
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| Rockyg | Monty provided a horizontal that is really ugly as implemented that makes for a very clumsy flow as implemented with lots of tests/branches for three different ways of doing it. | 19:49 |
| barrett1 | Shamail - Understand, but I'm also interested in addressing barriers to OpenStack adoption | 19:50 |
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| barrett1 | RockyG: Are you going to extract the use cases from that etherpad? | 19:50 |
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| Rockyg | Yes | 19:51 |
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| barrett1 | excellent! | 19:51 |
| Shamail | Yep, makes sense. I guess the way I should re-phrase is that HA use-cases would be desired but not showstoppers for now. | 19:51 |
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| Rockyg | I get ops to put cases in etherpad, then we can extract | 19:51 |
| barrett1 | For next week's meeting I'll also add a discussion on review/consolidation/prioritization of use cases. will send some thoughts out on the ML ahead of time | 19:51 |
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| Shamail | barrett1: +1 | 19:52 |
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| Rockyg | I'll talk with fifieldt about some standard naming for ops use case etherpads | 19:52 |
| barrett1 | #action Barret1 to send proposal for usecase review/consolidation/prioritization to ML and add to next team meeting agenda | 19:52 |
| barrett1 | rockyg: +1 | 19:52 |
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| barrett1 | next topic | 19:53 |
| barrett1 | #topic Recruit new members | 19:53 |
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| barrett1 | I'm still exchanging emails to find the right person from NEC to join the group | 19:53 |
| barrett1 | I don't have a contact at Yahoo! Does anyone else? | 19:54 |
| Rockyg | sarob might | 19:54 |
| Rockyg | I only have devs | 19:54 |
| Shamail | yeah, sarob is a good bet for Yahoo | 19:54 |
| barrett1 | I've pinged him for this, will followup again | 19:54 |
| barrett1 | Shamail - How are things going with VMware? | 19:55 |
| Shamail | VMware and I have exchanged a few emails... I have asked to schedule a meeting this week to discuss the work group (I don't foresee them not participating so far). I have sent an email to Mirantis but no response yet. I might try another contact over there. | 19:55 |
| Shamail | I think they are "in" but want to discuss the WG so they can identify the right person | 19:55 |
| geoffarnold | Getting back to the agenda: Midcycle planning: list of meetups is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints Note there's no Operators meetup scheduled as yet (AFAIK) | 19:57 |
| barrett1 | OK - Let me know if you want me to help on Mirantis | 19:57 |
| Shamail | Thanks barrett1 | 19:57 |
| barrett1 | #Topic Midcycle Planning | 19:57 |
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| barrett1 | geoffarnold: Is there a location and date emerging from the info? | 19:58 |
| barrett1 | For us to have our midcycle that is.... :) | 19:58 |
| geoffarnold | Not really. MIdcycles are spread across July/August | 19:58 |
| Shamail | I liked the suggestion you made at the last meeting about co-location with the ops meet-up geoffarnold. | 19:59 |
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| Shamail | It's too bad that's one of the few that hasn't indicated a schedule yet. | 19:59 |
| Rockyg | If we want it to be a heavy working midcycle, we should schedule it after ops. Maybe in the same area? | 19:59 |
| geoffarnold | But there isn't an ops metup scheduled iyet | 19:59 |
| geoffarnold | :-( | 19:59 |
| barrett1 | geoffarnold: can you ping Tomfifeld and see when the Ops meetup will get defined? | 19:59 |
| Rockyg | Ops is usually a lagging indicator. | 19:59 |
| geoffarnold | Wilco | 19:59 |
| barrett1 | RockyG: lol | 19:59 |
| geoffarnold | I'd expect it to be mid/late Aug | 19:59 |
| barrett1 | geoffarnold: Thanks | 20:00 |
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| Shamail | Here's hoping to mid (rather than late)! | 20:00 |
| barrett1 | OK, we're out of time for this week. Next week we'll talk about use cases, work flow, Tokyo Plans and hopefully mid cycle meetup plans | 20:00 |
| Rockyg | Time! | 20:00 |
| Shamail | barrett1: | 20:00 |
| Shamail | Can I share one link | 20:00 |
| Rockyg | please | 20:00 |
| barrett1 | of course | 20:00 |
| Shamail | We didn't get to the Tokyo Breakout Session planning topic but for those of you who are thinking of topics that we can propose as a WG, please update this spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fwAKjAFEw3jVW8NcDxkfzh0TMmMcftyoQEx5bjFJTxc/edit#gid=0 | 20:01 |
| Shamail | We can discuss at the next meeting hopefully | 20:01 |
| Shamail | That's all I had barrett1 | 20:01 |
| barrett1 | Thanks | 20:02 |
| barrett1 | #endmeeting | 20:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 22 20:02:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-06-22-19.03.html | 20:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-06-22-19.03.txt | 20:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-06-22-19.03.log.html | 20:02 |
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| armax | hello | 20:59 |
| Sukhdev__ | hello | 20:59 |
| armax | mestery is struggling to use his laptop today | 20:59 |
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| markmcclain | o/ | 20:59 |
| armax | he’ll be with us any second | 20:59 |
| emagana | Hello Folks! | 20:59 |
| armax | hi! | 20:59 |
| markmcclain | armax: did he spill he the kool-aid? | 20:59 |
| emagana | armax: Thanks! | 20:59 |
| armax | markmcclain: he did | 20:59 |
| armax | all over the keyboard | 20:59 |
| armax | #startmeeting | 21:00 |
| openstack | armax: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 21:00 |
| markmcclain | haha | 21:00 |
| armax | #undo | 21:00 |
| salv-orlando | aloha | 21:00 |
| hoangcx | Hi all | 21:00 |
| armax | #startmeeting networking | 21:00 |
| sc68cal | hello | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 22 21:00:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:00 | |
| ZZelle_ | Hi! | 21:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:00 |
| hoangcx | Hi all | 21:00 |
| Sukhdev__ | salv-orlando: mahalo | 21:00 |
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| armax | mestery is coming up | 21:00 |
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| beagles | o/ | 21:01 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 21:01 |
| salv-orlando | I heard mestery is initiating the docker community to the fine arts of yak shaving and bike shedding | 21:01 |
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| neiljerram | o/ | 21:01 |
| armax | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 21:01 |
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| armax | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings agenda | 21:02 |
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| armax | salv-orlando: he is | 21:02 |
| armax | but his laptop can’t boot2docker well | 21:02 |
| sc68cal | lol | 21:02 |
| russellb | o/ | 21:02 |
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| armax | #chair mestery | 21:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: armax mestery | 21:03 |
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| salv-orlando | armax: that because your employer makes the laptop you use | 21:03 |
| armax | salv-orlando: you know that I don’t work for Apple | 21:03 |
| xgerman | o/ | 21:03 |
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| mestery | that was some excellent kool aid! | 21:03 |
| mestery | Almost too good .... | 21:03 |
| mestery | OK | 21:03 |
| mestery | #topic Announcements | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:04 | |
| armax | I bow to my my master | 21:04 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 21:04 |
| mestery | Liberty-1 is this week | 21:04 |
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| mestery | That happened fast | 21:04 |
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| Sukhdev__ | mestery: next time keep in mind cool-aid for you - not others :-) | 21:04 |
| mestery | Given we're doing "lazy consensus" release management now, we'l see what landed in Liberty-1 ... once we tag Liberty-1! | 21:04 |
| mestery | Sukhdev__: That's a valid point. :) | 21:04 |
| mestery | Does anyone know if the IPAM work landed all the way in-tree yet? | 21:05 |
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| johnbelamaric | mestery: not yet, it is moving along though | 21:05 |
| mestery | salv-orlando carl_Baldwin: ^^^^ | 21:05 |
| mestery | johnbelamaric: yay! | 21:05 |
| mestery | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/blueprints.html#neutron-request-for-feature-enhancements RFE Process | 21:05 |
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| mestery | The drivers team is shooting to reivew all (old-style) specs by this week | 21:05 |
| mestery | And we'll be completely in the land of RFEs moving forward (with no deadlines) | 21:06 |
| johnbelamaric | mestery: yeah, breaking it into lots of small patches - hope to get as much merged as possible before Wed. then I will be at mid-cycle to see if we can land the rest | 21:06 |
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| mestery | johnbelamaric: Excellent, thank you! | 21:06 |
| mestery | #info The mid-cycle is this week (Wed-Fri) | 21:06 |
| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-liberty-mid-cycle | 21:06 |
| mestery | I look forward to seeing many of you there! | 21:07 |
| carl_baldwin | +1 | 21:07 |
| mestery | #info The QoS mid-cyclce is fast approaching | 21:07 |
| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-liberty-qos-code-sprint | 21:07 |
| * mestery waves to carl_baldwin | 21:07 | |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: I hope you're ready for a bunch of rowdy Neutron developers to descend on HP in Fort Collins | 21:07 |
| mestery | :) | 21:07 |
| * carl_baldwin sorry to be late, didn’t notice IRC was not connected. | 21:07 | |
| carl_baldwin | We’ve got pads up on the walls and plenty of gloves. | 21:08 |
| haleyb | and i connected some hoses this morning... all set | 21:08 |
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| mestery | rofl | 21:09 |
| dougwig | it's colorado. i'm expecting a keg of red bull and a punchbowl of weed. | 21:09 |
| * mestery mumbles something about a bike and some yaks | 21:09 | |
| bgsilva | red bull... hmmm.. | 21:09 |
| * salv-orlando should have gone | 21:09 | |
| haleyb | Fat Tire | 21:09 |
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| mestery | lol | 21:09 |
| mestery | FAT TIRE! | 21:09 |
| mestery | OMG! | 21:09 |
| mestery | yes! | 21:09 |
| mestery | OK | 21:09 |
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| mestery | any other announcements not related to Fat Tire or Neutron for the team? | 21:09 |
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| beagles | best ... meeting ... ever | 21:10 |
| xgerman | you guys signed up for the brewery tour(s) | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | dougwig: so perhaps it should be fat tire and a punchbowl of weed | 21:10 |
| xgerman | ? | 21:10 |
| mestery | lol | 21:10 |
| mestery | I think we've jumped the shark at this poont | 21:10 |
| mestery | *point | 21:10 |
| * sc68cal has never been so excited for a neutron midcycle | 21:10 | |
| mestery | Lets move on before dougwig and salv-orlando move us further into debauchery | 21:10 |
| * dougwig suppresses any more off-topic comments. | 21:10 | |
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| mestery | #topic Bugs | 21:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:10 | |
| salv-orlando | mestery: you were about to write "we've jumpet the shark at this pot" - weren't you? | 21:10 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Guilty! | 21:11 |
| mestery | armax has some info on the unstable job and pymsql | 21:11 |
| mestery | armax: Link? | 21:11 |
| mestery | Also: kevinbenton can't be here today but he's been working hard on this as well | 21:11 |
| armax | mestery: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/066735.html | 21:11 |
| mestery | I know, I sat next to the two of them at breakfast | 21:11 |
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| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/066735.html | 21:11 |
| armax | mestery: I’ve just sent an update to the ML | 21:11 |
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| armax | mestery: might take a minute or two to populate everyone’s inbox | 21:12 |
| mestery | armax: Thanks! Do you have a tl;dr summary for the team? | 21:12 |
| armax | sure | 21:12 |
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| armax | in a nutshell the unstable job is up and running | 21:12 |
| armax | I have identified the most recurring failure modes | 21:12 |
| dougwig | nice work. | 21:13 |
| armax | kevinbenton: has an initial fix, we’ll have to experiment a bit more once more data points are available | 21:13 |
| armax | no actual fix has merged yet | 21:13 |
| armax | I suspect we’ll have to play with this a tad bit longer | 21:14 |
| mestery | dougwig: I already bought them breakfast, lets not let it go to their heads :) | 21:14 |
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| armax | mestery: it was a very fancy breakfast | 21:14 |
| mestery | lol | 21:14 |
| armax | I feel privileged | 21:14 |
| armax | anyhoo | 21:14 |
| mestery | Thansk for the update armax | 21:14 |
| dougwig | anyone willing to wade into the quagmire of neutron bugs deserves all the kudos we can muster. | 21:14 |
| armax | one more thing | 21:14 |
| armax | once we manage to go back to sanity, we’ll have both pymysql and multiple api workers available in tree | 21:15 |
| armax | knowing that we reverted teh latter right before kilo was cut, I suppose that’s a good thing | 21:15 |
| armax | mestery: done | 21:15 |
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| mestery | thanks armax! | 21:16 |
| mestery | Any other bugs the team should be aware of as we enter the "Liberty-1 tag zone" this week? | 21:16 |
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| mestery | #topic Docs | 21:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Docs (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:17 | |
| mestery | emagana: hi there! Anything for the team this week? | 21:17 |
| emagana | Hi There! | 21:17 |
| emagana | I am back.. still sleepy but back! | 21:17 |
| mestery | :) | 21:17 |
| emagana | Just to inform that the neutron-docs meeting has moved from weekly to bi-weekly | 21:18 |
| emagana | still same day and time | 21:18 |
| mestery | #info Neutron-docs meeting is now bi-weekly | 21:18 |
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| emagana | no much to report since we have not had a meeting the last two weeks :-( | 21:18 |
| sc68cal | emagana: when is the next meeting? this week? | 21:19 |
| emagana | yes, this week. This Friday. | 21:19 |
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| mestery | Excellent! Any documentation questions from the team? | 21:19 |
| HenryG | I noticed the "Agents" API extension (admin only) is not documented in the API guide. | 21:19 |
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| mestery | HenryG: Egads! | 21:20 |
| salv-orlando | HenryG: is that the only one? | 21:20 |
| HenryG | Not sure. I shoudl go through them all and check. | 21:21 |
| emagana | HenryG: Is there a bug for that one? | 21:21 |
| salv-orlando | I think the last time I checked I counted more than one. | 21:21 |
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| HenryG | mestery: give me an AI to file bugs for missing API guides | 21:21 |
| mestery | HenryG: Can you file bugs for all the missing ones? | 21:21 |
| mestery | #action HenryG to file bugs for all missing API extensions in the documentation | 21:21 |
| HenryG | ty | 21:22 |
| emagana | HenryG and salv-orlando: Help us by sending me bugs for this and I can help fixing it or getting some extra hands from the rest of the docs team | 21:22 |
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| HenryG | emagana: sure thing | 21:22 |
| HenryG | emagana: thanks | 21:22 |
| emagana | HenryG: ;-) | 21:22 |
| mestery | teamwork: It's what's for dinner ;) | 21:22 |
| mestery | Thanks emagana HenryG salv-orlando! | 21:23 |
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| mestery | OK | 21:23 |
| mestery | lets move on | 21:23 |
| mestery | #topic Release models for networking-foo projects | 21:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release models for networking-foo projects (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:23 | |
| mestery | I put this on teh agenda | 21:23 |
| mestery | The tl;dr is that networking-foo projects should follow semantic versioning | 21:24 |
| mestery | Like the servers and the rest of OpenStack do | 21:24 |
| mestery | I've created patches for the various repos to do this | 21:24 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:semver-releases+owner:%22Kyle+Mestery%22,n,z | 21:24 |
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| mestery | Note that some are WIP if they've already released to PyPi | 21:24 |
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| mestery | #info Before releasing your networking-foo project, please contact mestery or dhellmann so we can put in a pre-version tag to make pbr happy | 21:24 |
| mestery | Any questions from anyone? | 21:25 |
| mestery | Especially a networking-foo maintainer? | 21:25 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: can you quickly tell me why you put in wip the patches for projects already on pypi? | 21:25 |
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| salv-orlando | I'm too lazy to check it out myself and have to fix vmware-nsx | 21:25 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Absoluitely | 21:26 |
| mestery | For those ones, we wanted to wait to merge them until the projects did a release. I'm surprised some of them passed Jenkins to be honest. | 21:27 |
| mestery | They had been failing (or some of them). | 21:27 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: make sense? It almost does to me ;) | 21:27 |
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| salv-orlando | mestery: cool. so the point is that you have to release first before switching to semver? | 21:27 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: No, we'll switch to semver before we release | 21:28 |
| mestery | For those who have already released, we need to add a cap into requirements (dhellmann has more info) | 21:28 |
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| mestery | Any other questions? | 21:29 |
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| salv-orlando | mestery: all clear thanks | 21:29 |
| mestery | awesome! | 21:30 |
| mestery | Moving along | 21:30 |
| mestery | #topic Pecan Reviews | 21:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pecan Reviews (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:30 | |
| * mestery waits for salv-orlando to share a link of actual pecan nut reviews | 21:30 | |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:feature/pecan+topic:bp/wsgi-pecan-switch,n,z | 21:30 |
| mestery | kevinbenton (who is not here) has been hard at working splitting these patches out | 21:30 |
| mestery | He's looking for reviews | 21:30 |
| mestery | to start merging these | 21:30 |
| mestery | so we can collapse the branch back during Liberty-2 | 21:30 |
| mestery | I know blogan has been reviewing these (thanks!) | 21:31 |
| blogan | yes i have! | 21:31 |
| * armax wakes up | 21:31 | |
| salv-orlando | mestery: I am testing those, at some point I will pst a review as well. | 21:31 |
| armax | mestery: I promised him I was going to go over those | 21:31 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: awesome, armax, also awesome | 21:32 |
| armax | I’ve been slow as usual | 21:32 |
| mestery | armax: Just stop sleeping this week and you'll have plenty of time | 21:32 |
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| armax | armax: I know…it’s the change of the season | 21:32 |
| blogan | its been raining here a lot, easy to sleep | 21:32 |
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| mestery | OK, lets see what kind of damage we can do there. | 21:32 |
| mestery | OK | 21:33 |
| mestery | next up: | 21:33 |
| mestery | #topic Should We Translate All The Strings | 21:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Should We Translate All The Strings (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:33 | |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185300/ | 21:33 |
| mestery | I have no idea who put this on the agenda | 21:33 |
| mestery | Does anyone? | 21:33 |
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| mestery | Was this form last week? | 21:33 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: idk I have no opinion. No maybe I have one: MEH | 21:34 |
| sc68cal | kevinbenton added it | 21:34 |
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| sc68cal | based on his comment in the review | 21:34 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: but this is a great topic for bikeshedding you know? | 21:34 |
| mestery | sc68cal: thanks! And kevinbenton isn't even here! | 21:34 |
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| mestery | So, can someone give me the tl;dr on this issue so I select my color in the argument? | 21:35 |
| xgerman | my hunch would be it’s an I18N topic | 21:35 |
| mestery | I guess we can leave it on the agenda for next week so kevinbenton can have his air time here :) | 21:36 |
| sballe | +1 | 21:36 |
| sc68cal | +1 | 21:36 |
| russellb | isn't this an openstack-wide quesiton anyway? | 21:36 |
| sc68cal | and tell us which color he likes better | 21:36 |
| mestery | russellb: It seems to be, yeah. | 21:36 |
| russellb | yeah.. | 21:36 |
| mestery | russellb: Do you know if there is any stance on this at that level? | 21:37 |
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| russellb | if there's not a written convention yet, someone should drive one :) | 21:37 |
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| salv-orlando | I think we should discuss the implication of a neutron-only decision on the rest of openstack projects and what would be the cross interference with i18n. | 21:37 |
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| russellb | sounds like a good topic for cross project meeting though | 21:37 |
| salv-orlando | perhaps we need a working group. a translation working group where we can discuss all the issue pertaning which strings should be translate | 21:37 |
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| xgerman | and volunteers actually translating | 21:38 |
| mestery | russellb: +1 | 21:38 |
| mestery | xgerman: +100 | 21:38 |
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| salv-orlando | but in all seriousness, why do we need to worry about having a policy to define which strings get translated? | 21:38 |
| mestery | #action kevinbenton to propose a cross-project meeting agenda item around translations | 21:38 |
| mestery | That should cover it | 21:38 |
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| russellb | there's already a i18n team | 21:38 |
| armax | when we have so many pressing problems, I love it that we take every item so seriously | 21:38 |
| * armax is so proud | 21:38 | |
| russellb | there may even be some standards around this, i just don't know off hand | 21:39 |
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| mestery | Me either | 21:39 |
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| mestery | We'll ahve kevinbenton take the lead on this | 21:39 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: and if he does not deliver, I want his head on a silver plate! | 21:40 |
| sc68cal | that'll show him for being AFK | 21:40 |
| mestery | :) | 21:40 |
| mestery | Well, to be fair, I did buy him breakfast, so he owes me one | 21:40 |
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| mestery | :) | 21:40 |
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| armax | apparently kevinbenton is going to china soon | 21:40 |
| salv-orlando | I think the core team should be bit like game of thrones. That would be interesting. | 21:40 |
| dougwig | the bikeshedding timer has been running for too many minutes on this one... | 21:40 |
| beagles | my last name is *NOT* stark | 21:41 |
| sc68cal | salv-orlando: that could be taken a couple ways | 21:41 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 21:41 |
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| mestery | The floor is open, we have 19 minutes or so left. | 21:41 |
| * russellb dances | 21:41 | |
| xgerman | so my top worry is the flavor framework | 21:41 |
| hoangcx | May i ask to help to get further discussion about "Security Group Logging" and other objects logging #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132134/ | 21:41 |
| mestery | xgerman: As it should be | 21:41 |
| mestery | xgerman: What is the current implementation status? | 21:42 |
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| mestery | Does it need reviews? | 21:42 |
| hoangcx | We are going to implement logging API as kevinbenton sugguest | 21:42 |
| dougwig | xgerman: he's been blocked on me, and it also needs other reviews. | 21:42 |
| armax | I glimpsed it | 21:42 |
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| xgerman | dougwig +1 | 21:42 |
| dougwig | we should be able to make some progress at the meetup. | 21:42 |
| mestery | sc68cal: you ok with that from hoangcx ? | 21:42 |
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| mestery | dougwig: awesome | 21:42 |
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| armax | it seems in need of a bit of TLC | 21:42 |
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| xgerman | I love it all right ;-) | 21:43 |
| hoangcx | we need more discussion on this to get approve :) | 21:43 |
| sc68cal | As long as it's a separate API endpoint, LGTM | 21:43 |
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| * sc68cal finds himself defending Amazon APIs .... for some reason | 21:43 | |
| hoangcx | Yes. Thanks sc68cal. I will contact you | 21:43 |
| * armax wonders if sc68cal is serious | 21:43 | |
| armax | actually serious | 21:43 |
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| armax | :) | 21:43 |
| sc68cal | armax: like I said at the summit, anything for you :) | 21:44 |
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| mestery | sc68cal is like the AWS warrior inside of OpenStack! | 21:44 |
| * sc68cal shudders in horror | 21:44 | |
| salv-orlando | sc68cal: yeah why? I think we've already diverged so much from EC2 that this defence is a bit pointless now | 21:44 |
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| sc68cal | salv-orlando: Have we? I know we still have Boto tests that use the EC2 API modules | 21:44 |
| xgerman | don’t they all connect at the docker API | 21:44 |
| xgerman | \me hides | 21:44 |
| salv-orlando | sc68cal: I know armax as some peculiar tastes. you should really shidder. | 21:44 |
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| salv-orlando | sc68cal: well, that's for the compute part. look at security groups. is there a thing like INGRESS or EGRESS rules in EC2? | 21:45 |
| armax | salv-orlando: I like you don’t i? | 21:45 |
| sc68cal | salv-orlando: I think for the VPC flavored version of SG | 21:45 |
| sc68cal | salv-orlando: there is | 21:45 |
| mestery | xgerman: it's pluggable! | 21:45 |
| sc68cal | mestery: put an action item for me for that, since i opened my big mouth - research variances in our SG api compared to AWS | 21:46 |
| salv-orlando | sc68cal: so we're amazon compatible if one runs VPC but only to the point that you get APIs that semantically work like Amazon's... | 21:46 |
| mestery | #action sc68cal to research and present on variances in our SG API compared to AWS | 21:46 |
| mestery | sc68cal: done and done sir! | 21:46 |
| salv-orlando | but it's not like you can really do anything in neutron with your amazon EC2 client APP | 21:46 |
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| salv-orlando | sc68cal: I understand your point. And I would totally agree with you if we were declaring some sort of VPC compatibility | 21:47 |
| sc68cal | salv-orlando: Depends - there may still be some scaffolding that "get-me-a-network" will help paper over what admins are probably doing today ( creating all the networks, subnets, routers, etc) | 21:47 |
| sc68cal | but the SG API hopefully isn't different | 21:47 |
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| sc68cal | there may be some items that need to be provisioned before the app devs who are using the EC2 libs can start working | 21:48 |
| haleyb | you had to mention "get me a network" didn't you :) | 21:48 |
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| russellb | lol | 21:48 |
| mestery | lol | 21:48 |
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| mestery | haleyb: Speaking of that, did my comments in the review convince you to be the new official owner? | 21:49 |
| salv-orlando | ok so you do have a goal of making an openstack deployment running neutron work with boto or any other EC2 client for the benefit of all the folks that don't care about neutron? | 21:49 |
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| haleyb | mestery: did you get my beer demand? | 21:49 |
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| salv-orlando | comeon sc68cal, shave this yak with me! | 21:49 |
| mestery | haleyb: I'm happy to buy you as much Fat Tire is required, yes. | 21:49 |
| sc68cal | salv-orlando: :) | 21:49 |
| * mestery hands salv-orlando a blue paint brush and sc68cal a red paint brush | 21:50 | |
| neiljerram | Continuing the Nova/Neutron VIF type saga, Neutron folk may want to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193668/, which is Dan Berrange's new (and good, IMO) attempt to sort this out... | 21:50 |
| sc68cal | mestery: so we want a purple shed eh? | 21:50 |
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| * haleyb can do it, will need help filling-in some of the details in the spec | 21:50 | |
| neiljerram | Even though this is currently only a Nova spec, it will have non-trivial Neutron impact. | 21:50 |
| mestery | haleyb: thanks :) | 21:50 |
| sc68cal | salv-orlando: I think my goal is just anything that is an API that came from AWS, should stay like the AWS API, and OpenStack should create new compelling APIs to supercede the AWS apis | 21:51 |
| mestery | neiljerram: thanks! | 21:51 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193668/ | 21:51 |
| salv-orlando | sc68cal: if you want to achieve this goal, we also need a strategy to ensure EC2 compatibility is perpetual, and that strategy in my opinion depends on how nova moves forward. Because the boto user does not even care about neutron APIs. that kind of users expects EC2-compatible APIs on the nova API endpoint, I think | 21:51 |
| mestery | #link https://github.com/jaypipes/os_vif | 21:51 |
| mestery | neiljerram: in regards to VIF plugging, see the above from jaypipes as well | 21:51 |
| neiljerram | mestery: Indeed, I have; thanks. | 21:52 |
| mestery | neiljerram: great! :) | 21:52 |
| sc68cal | salv-orlando: very true - I know that they have the EC2 compat project now so they could extract it from Nova's codebase | 21:52 |
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| mestery | 7 minutes left | 21:52 |
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| salv-orlando | sc68cal: Also I struggle with the thought that I should consider parts of the neutron API as "imported" from AWS. Mostly because that would put a constraint on API evolution that I'm not sure we will be able to honour long time | 21:53 |
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| salv-orlando | sorry I meant in the long time | 21:53 |
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| sc68cal | salv-orlando: very true. I'd have to look further, but I think SG is the only real API where we'd have to worry | 21:53 |
| sc68cal | salv-orlando: I don't think our API is anything like VPC's - and it isn't labeled as such | 21:54 |
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| hoangcx | Yes. So that is the reason we need more discussion on there | 21:54 |
| sc68cal | s/our/the rest of neutron's api/g | 21:54 |
| armax | to salv-orlando’s point this means that basically we can innovate on our own api so long as we have a backward compatible way to expose SG capabilieis via the nova api? | 21:54 |
| armax | would that be enought to unlock us from this debate? | 21:54 |
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| mestery | OK | 21:55 |
| hoangcx | sc68cal: we may implement new logging API if it not compatibility for SG API | 21:55 |
| sc68cal | armax: I'd probably want to explore more of what you mean by backward compatible way to expose SG capabilities, but overall that sounds reasonable | 21:55 |
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| sc68cal | hoangcx: Right - I think my only comment was the new logging API just can reference a security group ID (or a rule ID) and that would keep us out of the tar pit of ec2 compatability | 21:56 |
| armax | sc68cal: my point is that that if we can expect AWS centric users to use the API from something like Nova | 21:56 |
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| armax | sc68cal: then we can assume that access can be controlled | 21:56 |
| mestery | 3 minutes left | 21:56 |
| armax | and hence we can ‘hide’ the non-compatible bits | 21:56 |
| sc68cal | armax: ah - very true. that sounds reasonable | 21:56 |
| sc68cal | although we'd have to check, since the EC2 API is now outside of Nova | 21:57 |
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| armax | sc68cal: but I wouldn’t trust what I say if I were you | 21:57 |
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| armax | thanks for trying though | 21:57 |
| sc68cal | think it's https://github.com/stackforge/ec2-api ? | 21:57 |
| armax | sc68cal: oh neat | 21:58 |
| armax | sc68cal: but once the bits gets deployed it looks just as it did, did it not? | 21:58 |
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| russellb | old ec2 code still there | 21:58 |
| russellb | but that's the future direction | 21:58 |
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| russellb | afaik | 21:59 |
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| sc68cal | armax: I think so - so maybe my concerns are overrated and I've wasted some time about these concerns - and we can just make it their problem | 21:59 |
| mestery | 30 seconds left | 21:59 |
| hoangcx | sc68cal: Yes. so it have more further discussion on this new logging API if we get decision on this | 21:59 |
| armax | russellb: thanks, I’ll look into it | 21:59 |
| mestery | I suggest continuing in #openstac-neutron | 21:59 |
| mestery | Thansk for attending this week folks! | 21:59 |
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| neiljerram | bye all | 21:59 |
| mestery | We'll see you all in the internet | 21:59 |
| russellb | bye! | 21:59 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| Swami | bye | 21:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 22 21:59:42 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| markmcclain | bye | 21:59 |
| hichihara | bye | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-06-22-21.00.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-06-22-21.00.txt | 21:59 |
| hoangcx | bye all | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-06-22-21.00.log.html | 21:59 |
| salv-orlando | adieuuu | 21:59 |
| annp | bye | 21:59 |
| armax | bye | 21:59 |
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| salv-orlando | sc68cal: those who procrastinate shaving yaks and painting bike sheds never waste their time. | 22:00 |
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| sc68cal | salv-orlando: I shave my yaks with a chainsaw - horizontally | 22:00 |
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| hoangcx | sc68cal: May i have further discussion with you on Gerrit to get decision which option will we support (by implement new logging API or extend current SG API)? | 22:04 |
| sc68cal | hoangcx: sure - over in #openstack-neutron | 22:04 |
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| hoangcx | Yes. Thanks so much. | 22:05 |
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| hoangcx | sc68cal: I will prepare something and let discuss in the next meeting. | 22:06 |
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