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| ttx | dhellmann, pabelanger: around? | 13:00 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: here | 13:00 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting releaseteam | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 15 13:01:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 13:01 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 13:01 |
| ttx | Back to ful speed this week | 13:01 |
| ttx | we have liberty-1 next week | 13:01 |
| ttx | so we might need to complete a few things before then | 13:01 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping for dims and lifeless as library release team members | 13:01 |
| ttx | ack | 13:02 |
| dims | \o/ | 13:02 |
| ttx | #topic Things to do before liberty-1 | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Things to do before liberty-1 (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 13:02 | |
| ttx | So for liberty-1 we'll need... | 13:02 |
| ttx | - the script to retrieve completed blueprints | 13:02 |
| ttx | - potentially the new preversioning (to tag X.Y.0b1) | 13:03 |
| ttx | what else... | 13:03 |
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| dhellmann | I have a todo to make a list of what those versions should be | 13:04 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: Currently still hesitating to switch all tp 12 or all to <number-of-versions+1>.0.0 | 13:04 |
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| ttx | If we opt for <number of versions+1> I would pick the number of integrated releases they have been here to simplify | 13:05 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I was going to go through and count those for all of the projects, unless you already have a list like that somewhere? | 13:05 |
| dhellmann | actually: https://review.openstack.org/191228 | 13:05 |
| ttx | I don't have such list, but there is a "since" in the integrated-reelase tag that carries the info | 13:05 |
| dhellmann | oh, right, forgot about that :-) | 13:06 |
| ttx | as official as it gets | 13:06 |
| dhellmann | that will make it easier | 13:06 |
| ttx | dhellmann: you think we have still time to carry that through before next week ? I think it would be better to not issue any 2015.2.0 tag | 13:07 |
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| ttx | but we still can if needed | 13:07 |
| dhellmann | I'll make the list today | 13:08 |
| ttx | I guess we should make it the top discussion at tomorrow's cross-project meeting | 13:08 |
| ttx | to have closure on it | 13:08 |
| dhellmann | you've convinced me we don't want to use 12 for everyone, so in my mind that is decided | 13:08 |
| ttx | also preemptively engaging with most PTLs might be a good idea | 13:08 |
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| dhellmann | that's a good idea -- we're expecting them for office hours tomorrow, right? | 13:09 |
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| ttx | tomorrow's office hours is still pretty much opt-in | 13:09 |
| ttx | but we can actively ping them before meeting | 13:10 |
| dhellmann | ok, how about if I send an email with the proposed versions? | 13:10 |
| ttx | heh, that's what I was writing | 13:10 |
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| ttx | then I can ping the EU/EMEA/APAC-based ones in Tuesday morning | 13:10 |
| ttx | during my office hours | 13:10 |
| ttx | and you can ping some of the others during yours | 13:11 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll start working on that after we're done with the meeting | 13:11 |
| ttx | than we do a catch-all during the cross-project meeting | 13:11 |
| ttx | and start pushing the resulting patches wednesday, in time for next week tags | 13:11 |
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| ttx | I'll take ownership of the Launchpad scripts side | 13:12 |
| dhellmann | I can do the patches to update the pre-version values | 13:12 |
| ttx | #action dhellmann to calculate and post proposed version numbers to ML | 13:12 |
| ttx | #action shellmann and ttx to reach out to PTLs during office hours about next version | 13:12 |
| ttx | arh | 13:12 |
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| ttx | #action ttx to write the new blueprint-grabbing script | 13:13 |
| dims | dhellmann: are we going to release python-.*client(s) as well? | 13:13 |
| ttx | dims: I don't think so | 13:13 |
| dhellmann | no? | 13:13 |
| dhellmann | we do have quite a backlog | 13:14 |
| ttx | I mean, it's unrelated | 13:14 |
| dhellmann | maybe after the milestone? | 13:14 |
| dhellmann | ok | 13:14 |
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| ttx | Alright, anything else in the "must be completed before next week" bucket ? | 13:14 |
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| ttx | (adding new server versioning discussion to cross-project meeting agenda) | 13:14 |
| ttx | Looks like I'll chair that meeting | 13:15 |
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| ttx | OK, moving on | 13:16 |
| dhellmann | I can't think of anything else that has to be done by next week | 13:16 |
| ttx | #topic Recentralize library release management | 13:16 |
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| ttx | This was also added to tomorrow's cross-project meeting agenda | 13:17 |
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| dhellmann | the patch is up to set the acls, but I haven't asked the infra team to prioritize it yet | 13:17 |
| ttx | There doesn't seem to be much objection so far, but I suspect most PTLs missed it | 13:17 |
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| dhellmann | I think one more round of publicity would be good, so maybe we can target that change for wed, after we've discussed it again | 13:17 |
| ttx | so with the discussion up tomorrow that will be a good heads-up | 13:17 |
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| dhellmann | so far the only comment was to point out a client lib I missed in the original draft of the patch | 13:18 |
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| ttx | I have the infra spec to review on my TODO list | 13:19 |
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| ttx | as well as the release-tools reviews | 13:19 |
| dhellmann | ttx: there are some changes to the release scripts up for review still, can you put those on your priority review list, too? that will make it easier for dims and lifeless to use the same version I'm using | 13:19 |
| dhellmann | heh | 13:19 |
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| dims | :) ++ | 13:20 |
| ttx | Anything more on that topic ? | 13:20 |
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| dhellmann | I haven't decided how proactive I want to be with releases | 13:21 |
| dhellmann | for oslo I scanned the unreleased changes weekly to decide when we needed releases | 13:21 |
| ttx | At this point I think we can wait and see | 13:21 |
| dhellmann | we could do the same with the other libs, or -- yeah | 13:21 |
| ttx | as the process gets more streamlined and we have more people to handle it, we can start being proactive | 13:22 |
| ttx | one step at a time :) | 13:22 |
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| dims | dhellmann: ttx: i am running ./list_oslo_unreleased_changes.sh and putting it in front of the team in monday meeting | 13:22 |
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| dims | (oslo meeting) | 13:22 |
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| dhellmann | dims: sounds good | 13:23 |
| ttx | ok; moving on | 13:23 |
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| ttx | #topic New PTL/RelMgt coordination | 13:23 |
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| ttx | We are left with building reusable checklists | 13:24 |
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| ttx | I think we can figure it out as we go during next week | 13:24 |
| ttx | I'll have an etherpad ready during my end of the office hours | 13:24 |
| ttx | with the points to cover | 13:24 |
| ttx | by the time it comes to your side of the office hours it should already have a few critical steps to cover | 13:25 |
| dhellmann | k | 13:25 |
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| ttx | Oh, about releasing in general -- do we want to more officially repurpose openstack-announce for all the announcements ? | 13:26 |
| ttx | i.e. push there instead of dev with Reply-To set to dev | 13:26 |
| dhellmann | I'm still waffling about that. I see the benefit, though. | 13:26 |
| ttx | and communicate to -dev and openstack@lists.o.o that we won't cover annoucnements there anymore so they should subscribe to low-traffic announce) | 13:27 |
| ttx | currently we do server release announces to -announce and openstack@ | 13:27 |
| dhellmann | ok, I guess we should be consistent with the libraries, then, too | 13:27 |
| ttx | and lib announce to -dev only | 13:28 |
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| ttx | I think making them all post to -announce is a good middle way | 13:28 |
| dhellmann | yes, that sounds good | 13:28 |
| ttx | with reply to set to -dev for libs | 13:28 |
| dhellmann | we should announce the change on the other lists | 13:28 |
| ttx | Yep, I'll take that on | 13:28 |
| ttx | #action ttx to announce convergence to -announce for all release announcements | 13:29 |
| ttx | though we could wait for the library release takeover | 13:29 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann update release note sending script to send to -announce list instead of -dev | 13:29 |
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| ttx | bah I'll find the rigth wording | 13:29 |
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| ttx | I need to take 5 min to get my youngest daughter off school apparently | 13:30 |
| ttx | Feel free to cover another topic, like onboarding of new release team memebrs | 13:30 |
| ttx | I'll brb | 13:30 |
| dhellmann | dims: once we have all of the tools merged, I was planning to rely on you to deal with the oslo releases. That will let me concentrate on all of the clients and non-oslo libs. | 13:31 |
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| dhellmann | and we'll have lifeless to help as well, of course | 13:31 |
| dims | dhellmann: sounds good. if i can shadow you to take notes at least one more time, i'll feel comfortable | 13:32 |
| dhellmann | sure, we can work through the next batch of releases together | 13:32 |
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| dhellmann | you may also want to take a look at the spec for starting to automate some of this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191193/ | 13:33 |
| dhellmann | very much a WIP | 13:33 |
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| dims | ack starred it for later | 13:34 |
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| ttx | ok, back, sorry about that | 13:36 |
| dhellmann | np | 13:36 |
| dhellmann | dims: this one may be interesting, too: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189858/2/release_many.sh,cm | 13:36 |
| ttx | I think we have a clear plan for the coming week | 13:37 |
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| ttx | Let's pass on the release modeling (buckets) thing for this week until we are past l1 | 13:37 |
| dhellmann | k | 13:38 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 13:38 |
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| ttx | pabelanger, dims: we kind of track work using https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-release-mgmt | 13:38 |
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| ttx | I added a new "Onboarding new release team members" section | 13:39 |
| pabelanger | ack | 13:39 |
| dims | bookmarked | 13:39 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: see anything else we should discuss/coordinate for this week ? | 13:40 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I'll chair the cross-project meeting tomorrow, but rely on you to introduce our two topics ? | 13:40 |
| dhellmann | I just (re)noticed the comment about making release management opt-in -- did we mean that to apply to the libs, too? I wonder if my ACL changes includes more projects than it should | 13:40 |
| dhellmann | ttx: sure | 13:40 |
| ttx | dhellmann: that's a good question | 13:41 |
| ttx | maybe we should align with the project teams we "cover" | 13:41 |
| dhellmann | I basically updated everything currently under openstack/ that looked like a library | 13:42 |
| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189856/ | 13:42 |
| ttx | i.e. 5.1.2.1.1 and 5.1.2.1.2 | 13:42 |
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| ttx | excluding things like magnum or magnetodb which we don't handle the server part of yet ? | 13:42 |
| ttx | that seems weird to handle the libs of a project team we don't manage the main product of | 13:43 |
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| dhellmann | yes, I left them out | 13:43 |
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| ttx | that way we could actually apply the "managed" tag at the project team layer | 13:43 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'm still concerned with bad versioning practices, but as you say, "one step at a time" | 13:43 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 13:44 |
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| ttx | which I think makes more sense | 13:44 |
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| dhellmann | speaking of tags, I'm going to propose one to indicate that a repo contains a library rather than a server project, so we can have tools that look at all of the library project repos | 13:44 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: you prefer a "lib" tag than a "server"/"mainthing" tag ? | 13:45 |
| ttx | I agree that sidesteps the naming problem gracefully | 13:45 |
| ttx | but that will result in more lines | 13:45 |
| dhellmann | we could have both/all of those, but it seems easier to say "show me a list tagged with X" than "show me a list not tagged with Y" | 13:45 |
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| ttx | hmm, yeah, also some things will likely fall in-between | 13:47 |
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| ttx | so we could have a "service" and a "library" one | 13:47 |
| dhellmann | should those be "release:X" or use some other prefix? | 13:47 |
| dhellmann | type:service and type:library? | 13:48 |
| ttx | On one hand they are generally useful so type: would be more appropriate | 13:48 |
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| ttx | on the other release:* will generate less questions (those are the tags driven by this team) | 13:49 |
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| ttx | maybe try type: and we can retreat to release:* if people complain | 13:49 |
| dhellmann | ok | 13:49 |
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| ttx | type: service will be super useful to sort the grain from the chaff | 13:50 |
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| ttx | (in, say, the project navigation website) | 13:50 |
| dhellmann | true | 13:50 |
| ttx | and that lets "everything else" (like, say, zuul) be undetermined | 13:50 |
| ttx | service means an openstack service as presented by the keystone catalog | 13:51 |
| ttx | imho | 13:51 |
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| dhellmann | yes, that's how I was thinking of it, too | 13:51 |
| ttx | ok, added a few notes under the "buckets" section | 13:52 |
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| ttx | Alright. anything else ? | 13:53 |
| dhellmann | nothing from me | 13:54 |
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| ttx | Alright, have a good week! | 13:55 |
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| ttx | #endmeeting | 13:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 15 13:55:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-06-15-13.01.html | 13:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-06-15-13.01.txt | 13:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-06-15-13.01.log.html | 13:55 |
| dhellmann | thanks, you too! | 13:55 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting Rally | 14:11 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 15 14:11:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:11 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:11 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:12 |
| e0ne | hi! | 14:12 |
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| boris-42 | e0ne: hi | 14:12 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: ping | 14:12 |
| andreykurilin | bori-42: pong | 14:12 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: stpierre ping | 14:14 |
| stpierre | boris-42: pong | 14:14 |
| amaretskiy | boris-42: hi | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | okay let's start | 14:14 |
| andreykurilin | o/ | 14:14 |
| andreykurilin | \o | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | sorry for delay I was helping around fixing Neutron stuff | 14:14 |
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| rvasilets__ | Hi) | 14:15 |
| AlexeyKhodos_Nex | hi | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | AlexeyKhodos_Nex: hi there | 14:15 |
| adiantum | hi | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | adiantum: hi hi | 14:15 |
| skraynev | hey | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | skraynev: hi there | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin | skraynev: hi | 14:16 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Rally gates are/were blocked | 14:16 |
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| boris-42 | Okay recently few patches broke gates totally | 14:17 |
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| boris-42 | and I spend a lot of time to unblock them | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | I think we should think about how to be more isolated from such mistakes | 14:17 |
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| andreykurilin | make all jobs non-voting ?) | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: ya | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: ^ | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: sorry | 14:18 |
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| stpierre | i think in many cases we should try to convince other components to make their jobs voting | 14:18 |
| redixin | run rally jobs vs stable devstack | 14:18 |
| stpierre | but that wouldn't have helped here | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: they will just remove them=) | 14:19 |
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| andreykurilin | redixin: stable devstack is good, but it doesn't include all features, which we can test:( | 14:19 |
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| stpierre | we're in the rather unenviable position of depending on everyone else to not screw up, so i think our *first* course of action should be to help them not screw up. our fallback should be assuming that they will wantonly screw up, and insulating ourselves from that | 14:20 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: andreykurilin we can test against some fixed patches? | 14:20 |
| redixin | sure | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: so it takes usually a lot of time | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: e.g. we will get sometimes blocked gates from days... | 14:21 |
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| stpierre | i understand, but if (for instance) nova proposes a change that breaks rally, that's not a problem if they have a voting rally job as part of their CI. if they refuse to do that, or circumvent it, then (and only then) should we try to find ways to insulate ourselves from nova. | 14:22 |
| stpierre | that's not perfect, but rally is in a place where -- at least until the plugin split is complete -- we have to at least try to work with the other groups | 14:22 |
| rvasilets__ | How abouy to write something as sla that could revert patches?) | 14:22 |
| stpierre | once the plugin split is really truly complete, then we can have separate jobs for rally (core) and the openstack plugins | 14:23 |
| rvasilets__ | Auto detecting that find last working master:-) | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets__: it's quite hard task | 14:24 |
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| stpierre | rvasilets__: that could actually be a really awesome side project -- git bisect + rally == win | 14:24 |
| rvasilets__ | I can help:-) | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: redixin andreykurilin another way is to have SMOKE mode | 14:24 |
| rvasilets__ | Its useful | 14:25 |
| boris-42 | https://github.com/openstack/rally/commit/f2d65679c4f0a753c20f7daffa48abe5552c2c6c | 14:25 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets__: ya it is useful but it s quite hard to automate | 14:25 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets__: because you have N repos | 14:25 |
| andreykurilin | stpierre: we already have something like separated jobs for openstack(gate-rally-dsvm-neutron-rally, gate-rally-dsvm-rally-cinder, gate-rally-dsvm-rally-heat and etc) and rally core(gate-rally-dsvm-cli) | 14:25 |
| stpierre | and N is growing, rapidly :) | 14:25 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: yep and such tasks are harder and harder | 14:26 |
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| andreykurilin | boris-42: smoke flag is good only when problem in performance of component. when it completly broken, it'll not help | 14:26 |
| stpierre | andreykurilin: sorry, i meant completely (or nearly so) disjoint sets of jobs for the rally core repo, and the rally plugins repo | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: usually it's not complete broken | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: and such patches are really fast reverted.. | 14:26 |
| andreykurilin | revert driven development | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: ^_^ | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: stpierre so what about smoke mode? | 14:27 |
| redixin | voting rally job will help people do not broke their projects. this also will help rally team do not suffer from bugs in other openstack projects | 14:27 |
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| boris-42 | mestery: ^ | 14:28 |
| andreykurilin | redixin: add voting jobs accross whole OpenStack is a hard task | 14:28 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: I will say impossible | 14:28 |
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| redixin | why? why they want to continue with adding bugs to their projects? | 14:29 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: redixin btw in this case patch in devstack affected neutron | 14:29 |
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| andreykurilin | boris-42: http://memecrunch.com/meme/28CH6/impossibru-guy/image.png?w=400&c=1 | 14:29 |
| boris-42 | redixin: they just don't belive that rally is testing well | 14:29 |
| mestery | boris-42: Ack, from our conversation this morning in #openstack-neutron | 14:29 |
| stpierre | i think smoke mode is probably a step in the wrong direction. if the component teams refuse to ensure that their crap works, then we have to do it if we want our scenarios to be relevant. testing in smoke mode could result in us writing bogus scenarios, and then rally becomes less useful (and projects that look down their nose at rally already will claim to have another reason to do so) | 14:29 |
| boris-42 | mestery: we are just thinking if we will have voting jobs everywhere we won't get in such situation | 14:29 |
| mestery | boris-42: Agreed, we need to sort the concurrency issues and make it voting. | 14:30 |
| mestery | Non-voting jogs are challening because you hit issues like this | 14:30 |
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| redixin | or we can keep an eye on non-voting jobs failures | 14:31 |
| boris-42 | mestery: so what can I say before those 2 bugs it was quite stable for a while | 14:31 |
| redixin | and give -1 for such patchsets | 14:31 |
| stpierre | although even non-voting jobs can be helpful -- you can use the results to try to find the commit that broke something. if devstack had a non-voting rally job this could have been easier to troubleshoot | 14:31 |
| mestery | boris-42: Lets clean this up and then visit making it voting | 14:31 |
| boris-42 | redixin: usually it doen't work=) | 14:31 |
| boris-42 | mestery: ok great Neutron team can be good sample for the rest | 14:31 |
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| andreykurilin | stpierre: you are right. non-voting jobs can help troubleshooting | 14:32 |
| mestery | ++ | 14:32 |
| andreykurilin | stpierre: but it would be much better if we will not need to troubleshoot:) | 14:32 |
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| stpierre | agreed :) | 14:33 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: try to add it=) | 14:33 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: to devstack ^_^ | 14:33 |
| stpierre | ok | 14:34 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: I can send you diff) | 14:34 |
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| stpierre | awesome | 14:34 |
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| stpierre | i think we have some leverage right now, so let's try to use it | 14:34 |
| wznoinsk | hi all, correct me if I'm wrong but a voting CI would have no effect on change being merged or not, only gating accounts have this ability? | 14:34 |
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| boris-42 | wznoinsk: hm it's Jenkins jobs | 14:35 |
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| boris-42 | job* | 14:35 |
| boris-42 | wznoinsk: so it will block merging | 14:35 |
| wznoinsk | if it's under openstack jenkins then that's fine | 14:35 |
| redixin | wznoinsk, do you mean "-v" from third party job can't stop patch from merging? | 14:36 |
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| wznoinsk | redixin: yes, non of the account except for upstream openstack ejnkins has ability to stop a code proposal from merging | 14:37 |
| redixin | i thought any "-verified" makes patch impossible to merge | 14:37 |
| wznoinsk | redixin: nope, that's what I wanted to clarify | 14:37 |
| wznoinsk | I think it goes: silent account (no comments), commenting accoutn, voting account, gating account | 14:37 |
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| wznoinsk | otherwise any 3rd party ci with voting ability could prevent a change from being merged | 14:38 |
| wznoinsk | and we know how well 3rd party ci are maintained (I have 2 myself :)) | 14:39 |
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| wznoinsk | apologies to inject this, please continue | 14:39 |
| boris-42 | wznoinsk: =) | 14:40 |
| boris-42 | wznoinsk: so in this case situation is different | 14:40 |
| wznoinsk | boris-42: agreed | 14:40 |
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| boris-42 | wznoinsk: seems like I have issues with internet... | 14:40 |
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| boris-42 | okay so we discussed this part | 14:41 |
| boris-42 | let's move to next topics | 14:41 |
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| boris-42 | #topic delays in next release | 14:42 |
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| boris-42 | Unfortunately we didn't finish all refactorings to be able to cut new release | 14:42 |
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| boris-42 | I am working now on some non backward compatible changes | 14:43 |
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| boris-42 | they are here | 14:43 |
| boris-42 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191342/4 | 14:43 |
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| boris-42 | and actually replacing @base.scenario -> @scenario.configure() for all benchmark scenario [painful thing] | 14:44 |
| boris-42 | as well I believe we should replace rally/benchmark -> rally/task ? | 14:44 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: stpierre andreykurilin amaretskiy ^ any thoughts? | 14:45 |
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| andreykurilin | "rally/task" sound good to me | 14:46 |
| stpierre | but rally/benchmark currently contains lots of non-task stuff -- contexts, runners, SLAs, etc. | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: ? | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: actually task is all that.... | 14:46 |
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| amaretskiy | boris-42: rally/benchmark -> rally/task is good | 14:47 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: when you type rally task start you are using all of those things... | 14:47 |
| stpierre | i guess that's true | 14:47 |
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| * stpierre needs a cheat sheet for all of the rally vocabulary :/ | 14:47 | |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: so this change will remove one word from it... | 14:47 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: there won't be *benchmark* anymore... | 14:48 |
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| boris-42 | so okay great | 14:48 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: it would be nice to add something like rally_glossary.rst | 14:49 |
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| andreykurilin | with all our words | 14:49 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: yep amaretskiy already asked few times | 14:49 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: but let's finish refactoring and remove/rename part of them | 14:49 |
| andreykurilin | sure | 14:49 |
| boris-42 | and after that make glossary | 14:49 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Open Discussion | 14:50 |
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| boris-42 | do we have something to discuss? | 14:50 |
| IlyaG | Morning | 14:50 |
| vponomaryov | any new about core rights for plugin maintainers? | 14:50 |
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| vponomaryov | news* | 14:50 |
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| IlyaG | anyone has RA for CI infrastructure? | 14:51 |
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| boris-42 | IlyaG: RA? | 14:51 |
| andreykurilin | vponomaryov: https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/doc/source/project_info.rst#plugin-core-reviewers | 14:52 |
| boris-42 | vponomaryov: core rights? | 14:52 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: there are more (I need to update that doc) | 14:52 |
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| IlyaG | Physical hardware required for CI infrastructure ;) | 14:52 |
| boris-42 | IlyaG: heh I have only 2 servers... | 14:52 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: It looks like vponomaryov wants to be a plugin core of Manila :) | 14:53 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: ya he will be | 14:53 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: vponomaryov I would like to see how you are reviewing=) | 14:53 |
| vponomaryov | it will work on honest word, rught? | 14:53 |
| boris-42 | vponomaryov: yep =( | 14:53 |
| vponomaryov | nice | 14:53 |
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| boris-42 | vponomaryov: so please don't merge patches out of scope of manila=) | 14:54 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: he should pay some $ to became a plugin core... :D | 14:54 |
| vponomaryov | boris-42: actually I do not see good reason to be a core | 14:54 |
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| boris-42 | vponomaryov: LOL=) | 14:54 |
| vponomaryov | boris-42: because I am not allowed to +2 my own commits =) | 14:54 |
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| boris-42 | vponomaryov: maybe there will be more people involved in manila benchmarks=) | 14:54 |
| vponomaryov | it would be a very rare situation | 14:55 |
| boris-42 | vponomaryov: so then you can just review random stuff and become core of whole rally =) | 14:56 |
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| boris-42 | so okay any other topics to discuss? | 14:57 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: review random patches and put random marks...hm...it reminds me something or someone | 14:57 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: LOL | 14:57 |
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| vponomaryov | andreykurilin: you became a core like that? =) | 14:58 |
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| boris-42 | vponomaryov: xD | 14:58 |
| andreykurilin | vponomaryov: sure! | 14:58 |
| boris-42 | okay see you guys next week | 14:58 |
| andreykurilin | openstack-style review | 14:58 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 15 14:59:02 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-06-15-14.11.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-06-15-14.11.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-06-15-14.11.log.html | 14:59 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 15 15:02:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:02 |
| anteaya | hello | 15:02 |
| akerr | hello | 15:02 |
| patrickeast | hey | 15:02 |
| anteaya | akerr patrickeast how are you? | 15:02 |
| Alexey_Nexenta | Hi | 15:02 |
| IlyaG | Hi guys, I am looking for hardware requirements/references for CI infrastructure - can someone point me into a right direction? | 15:03 |
| marcusvrn | Hi | 15:03 |
| anteaya | Alexey_Nexenta: hello | 15:03 |
| anteaya | IlyaG: I'm not a guy | 15:03 |
| anteaya | what shall we discuss today? | 15:03 |
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| eantyshev | hello | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VirtualSprints#OpenStack_Common-CI_Solution | 15:04 |
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| wznoinsk | hi | 15:04 |
| anteaya | asselin_'s sprint is coming up | 15:04 |
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| anteaya | please consider attending if you can | 15:04 |
| anteaya | we will need people to conduct patch reviews and tests | 15:05 |
| anteaya | so everyone can be helpful | 15:05 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: do you want to go into any more detail about your experience | 15:05 |
| anteaya | thanks for posting ot the mailing list | 15:05 |
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| anteaya | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2015-June/002851.html | 15:06 |
| mmedvede | hi | 15:06 |
| wznoinsk | anteaya: no problem | 15:06 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: care to expand a bit? | 15:06 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 15:06 |
| anteaya | what is pygerrit? | 15:06 |
| anteaya | is that the name of your script you wrote? | 15:06 |
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| wznoinsk | anteaya: I wasn't able to drill down exactly what piece of the operation is causing the problem or how to reproduce it outside of a python script | 15:07 |
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| wznoinsk | pygerrit is python lib for gerrit: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pygerrit/0.2.2 | 15:07 |
| anteaya | ah | 15:07 |
| anteaya | is anyone else using pygerrit? | 15:07 |
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| anteaya | I'm not advocating for it, just curious | 15:08 |
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| anteaya | wznoinsk: it seems to be staying away from Control-Z is your recommended way forward? | 15:08 |
| wznoinsk | it didn't affect my 'ssh ... gerrit stream-event' on the command line when I did ctrl+z so my python/pygerrit is one situation you want to avoid ctrl+z with... rather than avoid ctrl+z at all | 15:09 |
| anteaya | ah okay thanks for that clarification | 15:10 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: any other thoughts worth sharing at this time? | 15:10 |
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| wznoinsk | I got this link from someone on -infra, can't remember who it was tho: https://gerrit-documentation.storage.googleapis.com/ReleaseNotes/ReleaseNotes-2.9.2.html | 15:11 |
| wznoinsk | it seems like this is fixed in gerrit 2.9.2 | 15:11 |
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| wznoinsk | anteaya: nope, that was the most interesting one | 15:12 |
| anteaya | wonderful | 15:12 |
| anteaya | thank you for helping us with this issue | 15:12 |
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| anteaya | if anyone is able to help review any puppet-openstackci patches this week | 15:13 |
| anteaya | there are two right now | 15:13 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/puppet-openstackci+branch:master+topic:downstream-puppet,n,z | 15:13 |
| anteaya | it would be great if you are able to take a look at them | 15:14 |
| wznoinsk | on slightly other note, I think it would be beneficial for CI operators (especially the ones that have their accounts disabled) to attend these meetings, it's a opportunity to get the issues solved quicker than on ML I think, how do we attract them? ;-) | 15:14 |
| anteaya | IlyaG: you had some questions | 15:14 |
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| anteaya | IlyaG: did this person leave? | 15:15 |
| patrickeast | looks like it | 15:15 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: a very good point | 15:15 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: I'm open to suggestions | 15:15 |
| anteaya | as one of the big things I need when re-enabling a system is trust | 15:15 |
| anteaya | and open communication goes a long way to establishing that | 15:16 |
| wznoinsk | it needs promoting this irc meeting during any disabled/naughty account discussino on ml | 15:16 |
| anteaya | since if someone takes out our system, I have to trust they will pay more attention next time | 15:16 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: I'm open to that | 15:16 |
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| anteaya | I don't do it myself as it may appear to be self-serving | 15:17 |
| anteaya | however I do not discourage others from doing so | 15:17 |
| anteaya | I do link to common third party resources when I have the energy | 15:17 |
| anteaya | but I do admit that sometimes I lag behind in linking all the things | 15:17 |
| anteaya | I welcome help and support in providing links to all the things | 15:18 |
| krtaylor | wznoinsk, system operators have to want to get involved, they just can't miss all the irc/email traffic on it if they are paying attention | 15:18 |
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| akerr | can the ML not inject a link into the footer of every message on a list-by-list basis? | 15:19 |
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| Alexey_Nexenta | anteaya: Ilya wanted to ask if you have any recommendation/requirements for CI hardware ? | 15:19 |
| anteaya | akerr: I don't know I haven't investigated | 15:19 |
| Alexey_Nexenta | I would forward it to him | 15:19 |
| krtaylor | akerr, we use openstack-dev, it would have no way of knowing | 15:19 |
| anteaya | akerr: I find footers tend to be ignored | 15:19 |
| krtaylor | ++ | 15:20 |
| anteaya | Alexey_Nexenta: ah okay thanks, are you working on the same ci system? | 15:20 |
| Alexey_Nexenta | yes, working on Nexenta CI | 15:20 |
| akerr | well somehow the third-part-announce emails have a very specific link in their footer, so it's able to figure out | 15:20 |
| anteaya | Alexey_Nexenta: we don't have a list, it depends entirely on what you are planning on testing | 15:20 |
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| anteaya | akerr: the footer is the third party announce mailing list information | 15:21 |
| anteaya | some of the conversations happen on -dev and -infra too | 15:21 |
| anteaya | if folks want a busier footer for third party announce, I can look into it | 15:22 |
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| akerr | anteaya: true, but we when an account is disabled it goes through the announce email. Why not just also advertise this meeting there | 15:22 |
| patrickeast | Alexey_Nexenta: you would be testing cinder, right? | 15:22 |
| anteaya | akerr: I can look into it | 15:22 |
| krtaylor | hm, for announce, it might make sense, ++ | 15:22 |
| Alexey_Nexenta | patrickeast: yes, cinder drivers | 15:22 |
| anteaya | #action anteaya to look into adding link to third party meetings in -announce ml footer | 15:23 |
| Alexey_Nexenta | Our main problem is that we keep getting timeout errors | 15:23 |
| patrickeast | Alexey_Nexenta: ok cool, same here, for fwiw i’ve found that any less than ~3 build slaves able to run tests and our system gets too far behind | 15:23 |
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| patrickeast | Alexey_Nexenta: with a single jenkins slave it ends up ~12-24 hours behind on build very quickly | 15:23 |
| patrickeast | with 3 it can stay only maybe 2-3 behind (with 35min builds) | 15:24 |
| patrickeast | so any hardware that can acommodate that amount of devstack vm’s and the controllers should work | 15:24 |
| ameade | Alexey_Nexenta: A good optimization is to only run on patches that Jenkins has +1'd | 15:24 |
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| Alexey_Nexenta | ameade: yes, I think we only run those | 15:25 |
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| anteaya | Alexey_Nexenta: what is your current setup? | 15:26 |
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| hodos|2 | anteaya: we use john griffiths sos-ci | 15:27 |
| anteaya | hodos|2: how many other team members do you have in this meeting? | 15:27 |
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| hodos|2 | anteaya: 3 threads, fuel over vsphere | 15:27 |
| Alexey_Nexenta | anteaya: just us two | 15:27 |
| anteaya | okay thanks | 15:27 |
| anteaya | hodos|2: are you using zuul and jenkins then? | 15:28 |
| * anteaya is not familiar with jgriffith's setup | 15:28 | |
| hodos|2 | anteaya: nope, just python + ansible | 15:28 |
| patrickeast | it replaces zuul, gearman, jenkins, all that | 15:28 |
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| anteaya | oh okay | 15:28 |
| anteaya | no idea then | 15:28 |
| anteaya | for timeouts I suggest you talk to jgriffith | 15:28 |
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| anteaya | it isn't an infra supported setup | 15:29 |
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| hodos|2 | anteaya: it seems to do the job, timeouts are happening on the different side | 15:29 |
| patrickeast | what kind of timeouts are you guys getting? | 15:29 |
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| patrickeast | we get ssh timeouts on some of the tempest tests when our system is stressed (still looking into why its happening) | 15:30 |
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| hodos|2 | patrickeast: we probably using slow setup for openstack cloud: we have all-in-one node, but i guess, it's the same: backend or network is too slow | 15:30 |
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| hodos|2 | patrickeast: most of those are happening with compute_with_volumes | 15:31 |
| patrickeast | have you adjusted any of the timeout settings? iirc there are like 5 different ones to play with depending on what is timing out | 15:31 |
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| wznoinsk | it may be too radical but you may look into containers instead of vm's and stack inside | 15:31 |
| hodos|2 | patrickeast: can you point on how to change those, cause i couldn't find any iinfo | 15:32 |
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| marcusvrn1 | patrickeast: same here (ssh timeouts), boot_pattern intermittently fails by timeout. If you solve this problem, could you let me know? I'm still working on it too | 15:32 |
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| akerr | we change a lot of our timeouts to crazy high numbers... let me see if i can find the variables | 15:33 |
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| patrickeast | hodos|2: so the ones we change are env variables for devstack-gate and jenkins, which unfortunately are not going to be helpful for sos-ci | 15:33 |
| patrickeast | hodos|2: but, at some point they should be ending up in the tempest config file | 15:34 |
| patrickeast | or i suppose in the sos-ci code if it has any global timeout for test runs like jenkins does | 15:34 |
| hodos|2 | patrickeast: well, i meant tempest timeouts, but i couldn't find the variable names for local.conf | 15:35 |
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| patrickeast | marcusvrn1: will do, we have looked into them a bit in the past and didn’t figure it out, but we are going back in to deep dive this sprint | 15:35 |
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| marcusvrn1 | hodos|2: those variables are in tempest.conf | 15:35 |
| marcusvrn1 | #link https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/etc/tempest.conf.sample | 15:36 |
| akerr | In the [volume] section you can set build_timeout | 15:36 |
| akerr | of tempest.conf | 15:36 |
| akerr | you also might want to adjust [compute] build_timeout | 15:36 |
| hodos|2 | marcusvrn1: thanks, i thougt you're able to modify tempest.conf through local.conf with TEMPEST_ vars | 15:37 |
| marcusvrn1 | hodos|2: | 15:37 |
| marcusvrn1 | hodos|2: yep, you are able | 15:37 |
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| patrickeast | hodos|2: you can, just define those variables in a section for your tempest config | 15:37 |
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| akerr | add [[post-extra|$TEMPEST_CONFIG]] to local.conf to set tempest variables | 15:37 |
| marcusvrn1 | hodos|2: in the local.conf you have to add something like "[[post-extra|\$TEMPEST_CONFIG]]" and then add which sections and variables you want to add | 15:37 |
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| hodos|2 | akerr marcusvrn1 patrickeast: thanks, will try | 15:38 |
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| marcusvrn1 | patrickeast: thanks | 15:39 |
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| anteaya | have we reached a happy place? | 15:39 |
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| anteaya | anything more to say on this topic? | 15:40 |
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| wznoinsk | one thing to remember when using proxy is to specify no_proxy to have at least 127.0.0.1,ip of management interface when running commands that connect to keystone | 15:40 |
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| asselin_ | o/ | 15:40 |
| anteaya | hey asselin_ | 15:40 |
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| asselin_ | anteaya, hi | 15:41 |
| anteaya | Alexey_Nexenta hodos|2 thanks for coming and asking, I hope you have enough to move forward this week | 15:41 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss today? | 15:42 |
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| hodos|2 | anteaya: yep, we're hoping to speed up our env, by removing bottlenecks in network, and providing SSDs to backend | 15:42 |
| anteaya | hodos|2: okay sounds great | 15:43 |
| wznoinsk | anteaya: I focus to get my CIs as good as possible, is not having CIs mentioned on mailing list enough to say they're ok assuming they follow the rules from wiki? | 15:43 |
| Alexey_Nexenta | thanks for the help everyone, will try those advices | 15:43 |
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| anteaya | wznoinsk: we don't have any stamp that says "this is a good ci" | 15:43 |
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| anteaya | wznoinsk: the biggest thing I look for is if someone has a question is someone around to answer it | 15:44 |
| anteaya | or will be soon | 15:44 |
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| wznoinsk | anteaya: ok, is there anything in works to have something like 'infra approved' ci kind of thing? | 15:44 |
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| anteaya | wznoinsk: the fact you show up to meetings regularly and help others when you can goes a long way for me to add my voice of confidence when someone has a question about your system | 15:44 |
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| anteaya | Alexey_Nexenta: welcome, I hope you find a solution | 15:45 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: no | 15:45 |
| asselin_ | wznoinsk, not infra approved, but close: https://github.com/rasselin/os-ext-testing | 15:45 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: as any system can go sideways at any time | 15:45 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: we have an infra supported workflowl | 15:45 |
| krtaylor | wznoinsk, we'll have a CI monitoring dashboard, hopefully soon, that will help with whether "this is a good CI" question | 15:46 |
| wznoinsk | anteaya: thanks for the link, that's what I was after | 15:46 |
| anteaya | which is what asselin_ is helpfing folks with and is working on improving | 15:46 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: ah sorry I mis-understood | 15:46 |
| asselin_ | wznoinsk, this is the goal: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/openstackci.html | 15:46 |
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| anteaya | wznoinsk: some folks are looking to have their system blessed so they can stop maintaining it, a turn it on a forget it solution | 15:47 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: sorry I mis-understood your question | 15:47 |
| anteaya | anything else on this topic? | 15:48 |
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| anteaya | anyone with anything else to discuss today? | 15:48 |
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| anteaya | can anyone think of any reason why we shouldn't wrap up the meeting? | 15:49 |
| anteaya | okey dokey | 15:49 |
| anteaya | thanks everyone for your attendance and participation | 15:49 |
| anteaya | have a good week | 15:49 |
| anteaya | see you next monday | 15:49 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 15 15:49:54 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-06-15-15.02.html | 15:49 |
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| rluethi | hi matjazp | 17:01 |
| matjazp | hi roger | 17:01 |
| rluethi | do you want to chair? | 17:01 |
| matjazp | sure | 17:01 |
| matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 15 17:01:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| matjazp | roll call | 17:02 |
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| rluethi | hello | 17:02 |
| matjazp | sayali and sean can't make it | 17:02 |
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| matjazp | dguitarbite? | 17:02 |
| rluethi | experience suggests that pranav might be joining us later on :) | 17:02 |
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| matjazp | no special agenda... So we use standard one :) | 17:03 |
| rluethi | we haven't had a regular agenda in quite some time. | 17:04 |
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| matjazp | #topic reviews | 17:04 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: anything about labs? | 17:05 |
| matjazp | pranav has just one lab patch in the pipeline | 17:05 |
| rluethi | there hasn't been much activity in labs lately. | 17:05 |
| rluethi | as far as I know, sayali is working on the python port of osbash. | 17:05 |
| rluethi | and maybe on some other stuff, too. | 17:05 |
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| rluethi | but that won't show up in the review queue for some time. | 17:06 |
| matjazp | do you guyns think that KVM port is doable by fall? | 17:06 |
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| rluethi | well, it should be doable, but unfortunately I have very limited time these days and I'm not sure when that will change. | 17:07 |
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| rluethi | So if I have to do the port, I don't know when it will happen. | 17:08 |
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| rluethi | but it is my understanding that the python port uses KVM, so if sayali finishes that one, you'll have a KVM version. | 17:08 |
| matjazp | rluethi: great :) | 17:09 |
| rluethi | yeah, would be nice. | 17:09 |
| rluethi | I am somewhat concerned about having two code bases with different features. | 17:10 |
| matjazp | what's the status with a new branch? What was decided? skip to kilo? | 17:10 |
| * matjazp is looking at previous meeting minutes | 17:10 | |
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| matjazp | aha... no action items | 17:11 |
| rluethi | not sure I understand what you mean by "skip to kilo" | 17:11 |
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| rluethi | the scripts are at juno now. | 17:11 |
| rluethi | we could create a new branch and make kilo scripts. | 17:11 |
| matjazp | last was about sean doing two things: upstream training game content this week and training-guides landing page | 17:12 |
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| matjazp | aha, ok. I don't know why I thought that juno is not finished jet | 17:13 |
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| rluethi | I seem to remember that pranav said something about an unfixed race, but I don't think he sent me the information needed to reproduce it. | 17:14 |
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| rluethi | then again, I might have forgotten. It has happened before. | 17:14 |
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| rluethi | I'll have to ask him. | 17:14 |
| matjazp | ok.. back to reviews.. christian is doing an improved index page for upstream training | 17:15 |
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| matjazp | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185946/ | 17:15 |
| matjazp | what we have now is pretty much useless | 17:16 |
| rluethi | too bad that there is no simple way to compare the output of two such files. | 17:17 |
| matjazp | what files? slides? | 17:17 |
| rluethi | doing a review only based on the source rst files is often a bit tricky. | 17:17 |
| matjazp | we have publishing enabled for upstream slides | 17:17 |
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| rluethi | it would be nice if gerrit gave us links to the generated output, before and after. | 17:18 |
| matjazp | do you mean that you wannt to see rendered slides side by side? | 17:18 |
| rluethi | yes, pretty much. | 17:19 |
| matjazp | rluethi: before will be published once we have landing page and publishing enabled. Draft will be published with the review, so you will be able to compare | 17:20 |
| matjazp | it won't be side by side, but close enough | 17:20 |
| rluethi | maybe we could get gerrit to add some links so the two versions are easy to find. | 17:21 |
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| matjazp | so the plan would be: 1) landing page + publishing of the materials | 17:23 |
| rluethi | something like that. | 17:23 |
| matjazp | 2) gerrit already publishes slides in the current reviiew | 17:23 |
| matjazp | 3) we add to the gerrit draft output a link to the rendered master branch | 17:24 |
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| rluethi | yes. or the submitter adds the link in a comment or something. it's just tedious for reviewers to dig through log files to figure out where the output was published. It's a problem I used to have, not sure if it's still relevant today. | 17:25 |
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| matjazp | for upstream training things are clear, no? draft lin in the gerrit publish-checkbuild? | 17:27 |
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| matjazp | we do the same for training guides, of course. | 17:27 |
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| rluethi | so let's take the review you mentioned above as an example. how do I find the published draft? | 17:28 |
| matjazp | btw, could you please also look at the current batch of open reviews? I enabled logo for Training guides and Christian is doing some cleanup | 17:28 |
| matjazp | click on gate checkbuild/ clisk on draft / click on upsteream training | 17:29 |
| matjazp | currently it publishes all in one big file, this review will improve | 17:30 |
| rluethi | not as obvious as I'd like it to be, but much easier than I remember it. cool, thank you. | 17:30 |
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| matjazp | index needs to change to make reviewing of parts of slides easier | 17:31 |
| matjazp | hence christian's review. One big file is not good, he will try to render it in a regular page, not as a slide | 17:32 |
| rluethi | I haven't done reviews in training materials and focused on scripts because I don't feel I know enough to make adequate reviews, and not enough time to learn more about the slides. | 17:32 |
| rluethi | I like the way the slides look. | 17:33 |
| matjazp | yes, but some reviews are for cleanup only or for the design.. your opinion i much appreciated here | 17:33 |
| matjazp | is | 17:33 |
| rluethi | so where is the original (current stable) version of the slides in this patch? | 17:33 |
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| matjazp | publishing is enabeld only for upstream. we need to enable it for the training guides with separate patches | 17:34 |
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| matjazp | IIFC, pranav said that he will look into it (with the help from Andreas). As they needed the slides for Upstream Vancouver training, we rushed in only that part | 17:36 |
| rluethi | so this isn't upstream then :) | 17:36 |
| rluethi | no wait, it is. it says "Upstream Training" right on the first slide. | 17:36 |
| rluethi | geez, I'm confused. | 17:36 |
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| matjazp | yes, I was talking about Training guides part (associate guide) | 17:37 |
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| matjazp | Content wise, we have three major part: Labs, Upstream training and Training guides | 17:38 |
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| matjazp | we're way behind converting XML Training guides to the new RST based slide format | 17:39 |
| rluethi | okay, I know this is asking a lot, but if you want reviews on training-stuff where I can contribute something useful, could you add links to the before and after versions (in a comment of the review), maybe along with a few words about what kind of feedback you are looking for. | 17:40 |
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| matjazp | hmm, ok, If that will make you look at the stuff :) I'm not comfortable with merging content that has just one +2 (or none, if it is my patch) | 17:41 |
| rluethi | the three parts I am familiar with, I can follow you there. I didn't realize we are not getting the conversion done as fast as we need it. | 17:41 |
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| rluethi | I realize I haven't given much (if any) attention to the slide patches. it's just overwhelming. back when I had more time, I would check out old and new versions, build them myself, compare them, and then write detailed reviews. | 17:42 |
| rluethi | now I'm overwhelmed by the mere thought :-/. | 17:42 |
| matjazp | As I see it, we need to get that landing page first, publish already completed labs and upstream training and then enable publishing of the draft for training guides part of the content | 17:43 |
| matjazp | that would get the ball rolling again | 17:43 |
| matjazp | As ppl see some stuff gets published, they can contribute more easily with short patches | 17:44 |
| matjazp | RST conversion of the whole chapter is a big task | 17:45 |
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| rluethi | I will try to support you with reviewing, just give me clear instructions and tasks that don't take hours at a time. | 17:45 |
| matjazp | OK, will do. But commit message should be clear about what was changed, no? | 17:47 |
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| rluethi | let's just take the one you mentioned before. | 17:48 |
| rluethi | I don't know why the slide is confusing, but maybe if I had a link pointing at the old, rendered version, I'd understand. | 17:49 |
| rluethi | then the same patch does something else, which is often a source of confusion. | 17:49 |
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| matjazp | OK.. So what I can do is publish the patch and then write a link to click onto in the comment with a clearer task for the reviewer? And add you and others as reviewers? | 17:51 |
| rluethi | and it converts an index.rst into a more useful index.rst. again, I have no idea how the new version if more useful. I very much suspect that it _is_ more useful, but it would be nice to have some reasoning in the commit message. | 17:51 |
| rluethi | perfect. | 17:51 |
| rluethi | Should you still not get a review, send me an email and kick me :-). | 17:52 |
| matjazp | we'll mock a bit around with links to the older reviews as "an original", as we don't publish our content yet | 17:52 |
| matjazp | is it ethical to add action items to the missing team members? ;) | 17:53 |
| matjazp | sean's landing page and pranav's publishing patch... | 17:53 |
| rluethi | I'd say it teaches them a valuable lesson, but then again, who knows when I won't be able to make it :-) | 17:53 |
| rluethi | well, repeating old action items is certainly not unethical. | 17:54 |
| matjazp | true... We have a cloud security summer school with CSA next week , so I probably won't make it ;) | 17:54 |
| rluethi | hitting them with lots of new ones probably crosses some line. | 17:55 |
| rluethi | there you go. | 17:55 |
| matjazp | let's just leave it as is, they both read IRC logs. | 17:55 |
| rluethi | anyhow, if you want to add action items, be quick. | 17:55 |
| rluethi | they do? hi sean, hi pranav, if you read this, and hi sayali, too, btw. | 17:56 |
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| rluethi | hey, I summoned him. | 17:56 |
| matjazp | pranav? | 17:56 |
| rluethi | no, sarob just joined. | 17:57 |
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| matjazp | hmmm... we will need to end this. | 17:58 |
| matjazp | anything else? | 17:58 |
| rluethi | nope. | 17:59 |
| rluethi | thanks for chairing. | 17:59 |
| matjazp | ok then. bye roger | 17:59 |
| matjazp | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 15 17:59:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-06-15-17.01.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-06-15-17.01.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-06-15-17.01.log.html | 17:59 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting akanda | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 15 18:00:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: akanda)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'akanda' | 18:00 |
| sarob | agena | 18:00 |
| sarob | agenda | 18:01 |
| sarob | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/akanda | 18:01 |
| sarob | roll call | 18:01 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 18:01 |
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| puranamr | o/ | 18:01 |
| adam_g | o/ | 18:02 |
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| sarob | morning! | 18:02 |
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| davidlenwell | morning | 18:03 |
| sarob | markmcclain is on a plane, so probably wont hear from him this morning | 18:03 |
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| sarob | #topic progress on m1 bp | 18:03 |
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| sarob | first up, | 18:04 |
| sarob | oslo updates | 18:04 |
| sarob | adam_g: hows it going? | 18:04 |
| adam_g | good | 18:05 |
| adam_g | there are patches up for both oslo.messaging and oslo.log | 18:05 |
| adam_g | need to finish 2 tests on oslo.log and then i'll squash those both down into one patch | 18:05 |
| adam_g | then IIRC oslo.i18n is the only one left | 18:05 |
| adam_g | they're all trivial except for the oslo.messaging migration, which i'd love to get a thorough review of | 18:05 |
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| sarob | doughellman available to help? | 18:07 |
| sarob | too | 18:07 |
| adam_g | dont ask me :) dhellmann ^ | 18:07 |
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| sarob | we can loop him in | 18:08 |
| sarob | any thing else on oslo? | 18:09 |
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| sarob | okay, moving on | 18:10 |
| sarob | update on juno backports | 18:10 |
| sarob | we did this the brute force way | 18:10 |
| sarob | juno branched at kilo | 18:11 |
| adam_g | i dont think there has been anything juno-specific identified yet | 18:11 |
| sarob | ryanpetrello you around? | 18:11 |
| adam_g | ryanpetrello identified a bug in iptabels SNT that he was working thru end of week last week, but it sounds like it affects master as well | 18:11 |
| adam_g | so we'll need to merge and backport to kilo+juno i think | 18:11 |
| sarob | adam_g: okay | 18:11 |
| sarob | adam_g: i dont see the bug on the queue | 18:12 |
| adam_g | i dont know if he's filed on yet | 18:12 |
| sarob | okay, i follow up with him | 18:13 |
| sarob | #action sarob follow up with ryanpetrello on iptables SNT bug | 18:13 |
| sarob | next up | 18:13 |
| sarob | rug managed ssh already implemened | 18:14 |
| sarob | thanks to adam_g | 18:14 |
| sarob | lbaas update | 18:14 |
| sarob | next | 18:14 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: whats going on? | 18:14 |
| davidlenwell | So I meant to finish my driver patch over the weekend.. but we had a small family issue (devons hamster died) and I didn't get to it.. planning to get it finished this afternoon | 18:15 |
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| sarob | davidlenwell: bummer, sorry to hear that | 18:16 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: i spoke with a few sources on lab puppies | 18:16 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: only hunting variety available right now | 18:16 |
| davidlenwell | yea.. the little guy didn't take it well .. so I spent a lot of time consoling and making him feel better.. I can get that info from you later when I see you | 18:16 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: i will ping you if i hear different | 18:17 |
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| davidlenwell | sounds good | 18:17 |
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| sarob | davidlenwell: update for the record on your progress so far | 18:17 |
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| sarob | lbaas that is | 18:17 |
| davidlenwell | the plan is to complete a patch first that introduces the concept of a driver into the rug.. with the first driver being written for the router | 18:18 |
| davidlenwell | That is mostly done with the patch I had in flight ..but I need to take some lbaas specific stuff out of it | 18:18 |
| adam_g | can we have a spec that describes the implementation instead of just a wip patch? sounds like a pretty big change | 18:19 |
| davidlenwell | adam_g: that is probably a good plan.. | 18:19 |
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| sarob | save the rest for the spec? | 18:21 |
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| davidlenwell | sure.. wil write a spec early this week | 18:22 |
| sarob | okay | 18:22 |
| sarob | next up | 18:22 |
| sarob | doc updates | 18:22 |
| sarob | i have listed out a bunch of stuff that i think needs to go into the docs | 18:23 |
| sarob | on the bp | 18:23 |
| sarob | i have just barely started on the bp with | 18:23 |
| sarob | moving docs out of the rug repo | 18:23 |
| sarob | the generally idea is to make the docs more first user friendly | 18:24 |
| sarob | next up | 18:24 |
| sarob | ci updates | 18:24 |
| sarob | adam_g: you made some good progress last week | 18:25 |
| adam_g | yea | 18:25 |
| adam_g | the devstack job will probably show up as voting on our patches this week | 18:25 |
| adam_g | theres a infra patch up to do that, that i just noticed needs a rebase | 18:26 |
| adam_g | also, patches now call the appropriate webhooks at readthedocs and our docs there should be updated when necessary | 18:26 |
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| sarob | adam_g: yeah, right on | 18:27 |
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| sarob | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190745/ | 18:28 |
| sarob | cool beans | 18:29 |
| sarob | anything else? | 18:29 |
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| adam_g | not here | 18:30 |
| sarob | #topic eol akanda-appliance-builder | 18:30 |
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| sarob | adam_g: take it away | 18:30 |
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| adam_g | oh | 18:30 |
| adam_g | yea | 18:30 |
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| adam_g | we merged the DIB elements that we have in akanda-appliance-builder into the main akanda-appliance repo | 18:30 |
| adam_g | to reduce a needless cross-project dependency | 18:31 |
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| adam_g | i have a doc patch up to update instructions for building the appliance | 18:31 |
| adam_g | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191920/ | 18:31 |
| adam_g | so we need to either completely delete the akanda-appliance-builder repo, or just rm -rf * its source tree and replace with a readme that points to the akanda-appliance repo | 18:31 |
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| sarob | the same question on the github/akanda repos | 18:32 |
| sarob | im partial to wiping contents and updating the readme | 18:33 |
| sarob | rather than maybe creating dead links | 18:33 |
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| sarob | anyone else have an opinion? | 18:34 |
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| adam_g | +1 | 18:34 |
| adam_g | im thinking more about removing refrences in openstack-infra | 18:34 |
| adam_g | (jobs, etc) | 18:34 |
| sarob | ah, right | 18:34 |
| sarob | that two | 18:35 |
| sarob | thats a trivial change, right | 18:35 |
| sarob | unless im missing something | 18:35 |
| adam_g | wiping the jobs yeah, im not sure what else goes into creating the repositories | 18:36 |
| sarob | i can double check with ttx on leaving repo cruft | 18:37 |
| sarob | he may have a opinion on that | 18:37 |
| sarob | but its stackforge | 18:37 |
| sarob | so prob not a strong one | 18:38 |
| sarob | anyone else on this? | 18:38 |
| sarob | puranamr or davidlenwell? | 18:39 |
| puranamr | yes | 18:39 |
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| davidlenwell | well if we plan on moving into /openstack in the next year we should probably pretend like we are already there | 18:40 |
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| sarob | and that would change how we deal with dead repos? | 18:40 |
| davidlenwell | we should delete dead repos | 18:40 |
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| puranamr | unless there needs to be some trail | 18:41 |
| sarob | is that practice in github/openstack right now? | 18:41 |
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| davidlenwell | asfaik they keep that pretty clear of bit rot | 18:42 |
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| sarob | ill ping ttx and get back to y'all | 18:42 |
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| davidlenwell | sounds good | 18:42 |
| sarob | #action sarob ask ttx on practice with dead repos, wipe contents or delete repo entirely | 18:43 |
| sarob | #topic any other business | 18:43 |
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| sarob | any updates on m2 bp maybe? | 18:44 |
| sarob | reduce vm footprint, rug circuit breaker, appliance ha, nodepool, octavia, vpnaas? | 18:45 |
| sarob | i havent seen any patches, so im guessing nothing yet | 18:45 |
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| sarob | davidlenwell: has been working on the appliance provisioning driver arch | 18:46 |
| sarob | thats all i got | 18:46 |
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| davidlenwell | yeah.. the stuff I am doing now will be the foundation to a lot of that stuff | 18:47 |
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| sarob | #info liberty m1 juno backports, rug ssh key implemented | 18:47 |
| sarob | #info liberty m1 oslo updates, doc updates, ci updates, lbaas have good progress | 18:48 |
| sarob | #info liberty m2 appliance provisioning driver is started, rest are pending | 18:49 |
| sarob | should we call the meeting a few minutes early? | 18:49 |
| adam_g | sure | 18:50 |
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| sarob | puranamr, davidlenwell: got anything else? | 18:50 |
| davidlenwell | I'm good | 18:51 |
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| sarob | im just so so | 18:51 |
| sarob | okay, im calling it | 18:51 |
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| sarob | cheers guys | 18:51 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 15 18:52:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-06-15-18.00.html | 18:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-06-15-18.00.txt | 18:52 |
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| geoffarnold | ping | 18:59 |
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| Rockyg | pong | 18:59 |
| Shamail | hello! | 18:59 |
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| MeganR | Hi! | 18:59 |
| Rockyg | Hey! | 18:59 |
| Zucan | Hello | 18:59 |
| Shamail | starting in less than a minute | 18:59 |
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| Shamail | #startmeeting Product-Team | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 15 19:00:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_team' | 19:00 |
| Shamail | Hi everyone! | 19:00 |
| geoffarnold | Hi there | 19:00 |
| MeganR | HI and welcome back! | 19:00 |
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| Shamail | Carol won't be able to make it today and I think Sean has a conflict too. | 19:00 |
| Shamail | Thanks! | 19:00 |
| Shamail | This is our first meeting at the new time and the turn out looks great! Here is a link to the agenda for today: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 19:01 |
| Shamail | With that.. Let's start | 19:01 |
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| Shamail | #topic Roadmap Update Next Steps | 19:02 |
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| geoffarnold | I haven't completed the action I took last Wed (midcycle mtg list) - PTO on Friday. I'll finish it in a day or two | 19:02 |
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| Shamail | no problem geoffarnold, thanks for the update. | 19:02 |
| Shamail | mscohen is willing to help lead the roadmap effort but wanted someone else to act as primary. | 19:02 |
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| Rockyg | Me, either. Need to IRC to doug hellmann | 19:03 |
| mscohen | shamail: i think i said i was willing to help | 19:03 |
| Shamail | Thanks for the clarification mscohen | 19:03 |
| mscohen | sorry, i’m a bit too oversubscribed to lead the roadmap effort | 19:03 |
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| Shamail | I was approached to see if I would be interested in helping out with leading it and I would be up for it BUT I wanted to see if anyone else wanted to volunteer before I did. | 19:03 |
| Shamail | Any takers or should I take ownership for now? | 19:04 |
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| Shamail | Okay | 19:04 |
| Shamail | I will go ahead and lead it. I will send an email to the ML to see how many of us are interested in helping with this work-stream | 19:04 |
| Shamail | We can come up with a plan/timeline once we find out how many people are volunteering | 19:04 |
| Shamail | Does that sound good? | 19:05 |
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| mscohen | +1 | 19:05 |
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| Shamail | Sean R. also mentioned that maybe we should let Lauren from the foundation lead the initiative since she maintains the roadmap today | 19:05 |
| Shamail | I think that is a great suggestion but I want to discuss with her before handing it off. | 19:06 |
| Shamail | #action Shamail to email ML on roadmap update task | 19:06 |
| MeganR | I think that is a good idea | 19:06 |
| Shamail | I'll start pulling something together for now until we can get in touch with Lauren | 19:06 |
| Shamail | We would still be responsible for refreshing the information but she would own the actual publication and formatting | 19:07 |
| Shamail | Anything else on this topic? | 19:07 |
| Shamail | Great! | 19:07 |
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| Shamail | #topic Action Plan Status and Updates - All | 19:07 |
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| Shamail | Here is an updated link to our tracker: | 19:08 |
| Shamail | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mpOPVWESpmUsgh69EmACygJZX3dRQ5zTnCi04tPnNBI/edit?usp=sharing | 19:08 |
| Shamail | Can we go down the list and provide status updates? | 19:08 |
| Shamail | 1st one is "Internal Communications", owner: Hugh/Shamail | 19:08 |
| Shamail | The status Hugh provided last week is still accurate for this task. | 19:09 |
| Shamail | hughhalf: I will email you to set up a meeting on this topic. Is this week good? | 19:09 |
| Shamail | next up: Repo & Use Case Template, owner: Rocky/Sean | 19:09 |
| Shamail | Any updates Rockyg? | 19:09 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 19:09 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. Got sidetracked with company stuff last week. Sean and I connected and coordinated, but I need to get together with Doug Hellmann on the way to structure the repo | 19:10 |
| Shamail | Awesome. We don't anticipate any blockers thus far right? | 19:11 |
| Rockyg | So far, no blockers. I'm hoping to get the work done this week. Keep your fingers crossed. | 19:11 |
| Shamail | Thanks Rockyg | 19:12 |
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| Shamail | The next item was use case selection, I have just updated the date on the tracker to reflect the new deadline 7/8 | 19:12 |
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| Rockyg | Question on the repo: I've been thinking about Operator use cases. Can we put those there, too? | 19:13 |
| Shamail | I think that makes sense... I don't know the current planned structure but I thought it would be similar to the groups formed under UC as folders | 19:13 |
| Shamail | along with an additional one | 19:13 |
| Rockyg | Cool. | 19:14 |
| Shamail | Content wise, I think they belong in the repo, but Sean and yourself can figure out where they make sense inside the repo | 19:14 |
| Shamail | Next one is "Integration and Test capability exploration and develop proposal" but Carol is not here. We can touch base on this one next week. | 19:15 |
| Shamail | Next topic on list: Recruit new members, Owners: Carol/Shamail | 19:16 |
| Shamail | I believe Carol welcomed Pete from SUSE last week | 19:16 |
| Shamail | I have tried contacting Mirantis and VMware | 19:16 |
| Shamail | I got a response from VMW and will be meeting with someone later this week to give them additional details about our working-group. They will determine the ideal person from their team after the call. | 19:17 |
| Shamail | I would expect someone from VMW to start joining in a week or two. | 19:17 |
| Shamail | I will try Mirantis again | 19:17 |
| nateziemann | Hi this is Nate Ziemann , I'll be participating for IBM. First meeting last week. talked w/ Carol as well. | 19:17 |
| Shamail | Hi nateziemann! Welcome. | 19:17 |
| Shamail | Anyone else have good contacts at Mirantis by the way? | 19:18 |
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| Shamail | I'll give it another go. | 19:18 |
| Shamail | Sean is not here to cover the "Tags" topic | 19:19 |
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| Shamail | The last one i'll break out into its own topic near the end (Plans for Tokyo) | 19:19 |
| Shamail | #topic Midcycle Planning | 19:19 |
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| Shamail | geoffarnold: you already provided us an update on this one. You will have more information by next week. Anything else to add here for now? | 19:20 |
| geoffarnold | nothing to add | 19:20 |
| Shamail | Thanks. | 19:20 |
| Shamail | #topic Meeting Housekeeping | 19:20 |
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| nateziemann | open midcycle, do we have a preference on which projects we tie our meeting to? date/location. | 19:21 |
| Shamail | nateziemann: we are currently trying to determine which ones are happening when/where | 19:21 |
| Shamail | we will then decide if it makes sense to co-locate and prioritize which one(s) might make the most sense | 19:21 |
| geoffarnold | tacking a day on to the operators midcycle is intuitively attractive | 19:21 |
| geoffarnold | based on lst cycle | 19:22 |
| geoffarnold | last | 19:22 |
| Shamail | geoffarnold: +1 | 19:22 |
| Rockyg | +1 | 19:22 |
| geoffarnold | but I'll get the full list shortly | 19:22 |
| Shamail | Thanks again geoffarnold | 19:22 |
| geoffarnold | summer is always challenging | 19:22 |
| Shamail | Does that answer the question nateziemann? | 19:22 |
| Shamail | I have sent out a calendar invite to our mailing list for this weekly IRC meeting. | 19:23 |
| nateziemann | yes, we spoke about that last week, but no details on which we are most interested in aligning with. | 19:24 |
| Shamail | The meeting being weekly also means coming up with an agenda more frequently. Does the team think that having a published agenda by Friday COB is sufficient (for Monday meeting) | 19:24 |
| Shamail | Is that too short of a notice? | 19:24 |
| MeganR | I think that is plenty of time | 19:24 |
| Shamail | Thanks MeganR | 19:24 |
| geoffarnold | We're agile, right? Friday COB is fine | 19:25 |
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| Shamail | Yes, yes we are. | 19:25 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. The devs can change their agenda morning of... | 19:25 |
| Shamail | #agree Agenda for next meeting will be published on Friday by COB PT | 19:25 |
| Shamail | If all goes well, I think we will have an idea of whats to come anyway (even before the agenda is formally published) | 19:26 |
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| Shamail | There should not be too many suprises :) | 19:26 |
| Shamail | surprises* | 19:26 |
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| Shamail | #topic Plans for Tokyo | 19:27 |
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| Shamail | An email came out earlier about call for speakers | 19:27 |
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| Shamail | We should probably start coming up with ideas for breakout sessions that we can submit as a team. | 19:28 |
| geoffarnold | Yup: The deadline to submit is July 15 at 11:59pm PDT. | 19:28 |
| Shamail | We already have one idea: "Have a PTL & Product Work Group member give a talk on how they worked together to develop a work plan on a use case." | 19:28 |
| Shamail | Let's try to come up with a few more... | 19:28 |
| Shamail | for example, do we want to attempt to do the roadmap session again? | 19:28 |
| Rockyg | +1 on Roadmap It should become a standard part of the summit | 19:29 |
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| Shamail | Do we want to do a workshop on how to write user stories and where to submit them inside OpenStack? (e.g. help people understand the various groups in the OpenStack eco-system that might align with their needs) | 19:29 |
| nateziemann | it was well attended at Vancouver +1 | 19:29 |
| mscohen | it was packed at the last summit | 19:29 |
| MeganR | Rockyg +1 | 19:29 |
| mscohen | the bar is higher now though if we do another. | 19:30 |
| Shamail | I agree, it also got both positive and negative feedback... We can iterate on it. :) | 19:30 |
| Shamail | mscohen: +1 | 19:30 |
| MeganR | Shamail: can you explain a more about the user stories | 19:30 |
| MeganR | *a bit | 19:30 |
| Rockyg | Right. We need to do a recap of how well we made target, then the new targets | 19:30 |
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| Shamail | Sure MeganR, I am just brainstorming in real-time, but the concept in my head was to build a workshop that educates users on how to get their voice heard | 19:30 |
| Shamail | through user story submissions and working with appropriate working-groups inside the UC | 19:31 |
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| Shamail | it's almost like a how to contribute but for people with use cases | 19:31 |
| MeganR | ok, I would like to explore that more as well, that can be one of the biggest hurdles for people new to the OpenStack community/environment | 19:31 |
| Rockyg | So, really, instead of developer 101, user 101 | 19:31 |
| Shamail | Rockyg: thanks for summarizing it perfectly | 19:32 |
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| Shamail | Just a thought | 19:32 |
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| geoffarnold | I was disappointed by the small turnout at the User Committee Mtg. We should talk to Tim about aligning our sessions. | 19:32 |
| Shamail | Can we all think of other ideas and maybe have them ready for group discussion by next week? | 19:32 |
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| MeganR | sure | 19:33 |
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| Shamail | geoffarnold: Yeah, that was unfortunate. I think a part of it may have been that it was in the design summit versus the user conference? | 19:33 |
| Shamail | We should definitely circle back with him on how we might be able to help or work together | 19:33 |
| geoffarnold | Probably. Let's try to join the dots, end-to-end | 19:34 |
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| Shamail | #action ALL: Come up with breakout session ideas that might be aligned with Product WG charter since deadline for submissions will occur in a month. | 19:34 |
| Rockyg | There was concern about low turnout on lots of sessions on Tuesday. | 19:34 |
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| Shamail | Do you want an AI on this Geoff (as a reminder)... to connect with Tim? | 19:35 |
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| geoffarnold | Yes please | 19:35 |
| Shamail | #action geoffarnold will discuss a possible joint-session with User Committee leadership | 19:35 |
| geoffarnold | Due date meeting after next (this week is pretty crazy) | 19:35 |
| Shamail | Thanks! | 19:36 |
| Shamail | Anything else on this topic? | 19:36 |
| Shamail | #topic Open Discussion | 19:36 |
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| Shamail | Anyone else have anything they would like to discuss as a team? | 19:36 |
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| Shamail | 24 minutes early! Not sure if good or bad. :-P | 19:37 |
| Shamail | Have a great day everyone! Talk to you next week. | 19:37 |
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| geoffarnold | Cheers! | 19:37 |
| Rockyg | Bye! | 19:37 |
| MeganR | Bye! | 19:37 |
| Shamail | #endmeeting | 19:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 15 19:37:55 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_team/2015/product_team.2015-06-15-19.00.html | 19:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_team/2015/product_team.2015-06-15-19.00.txt | 19:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_team/2015/product_team.2015-06-15-19.00.log.html | 19:38 |
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