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anteaya#startmeeting third-party15:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Apr 20 15:00:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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anteayahello15:01
tristanCHello!15:01
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anteayahow are you tristanC?15:01
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asselin_hi15:02
anteayahey asselin_15:02
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fboHello !15:02
tristanCwell I'm interested by that openstackci third party convergence thing15:02
anteayafbo: hello!15:02
* BobBall is here as well.15:02
anteayaBobBall: hi there15:02
anteayatristanC: wonderful15:02
BobBallFor some definition of 'here'.15:02
anteayaBobBall: I'll take what I can get15:02
asselin_hi fbo BobBall.. got your messages15:02
asselin_hi anteaya15:02
anteayaasselin_: did you want to kick things off?15:02
BobBallGood good.15:02
anteayaasselin_: folks seem to want to hear from you, go ahead please15:03
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asselin_sure...sent an e-mail to the mailing list to get us operators on a common ci solution15:03
anteayawho has the link?15:04
* asselin_ looks up the link15:04
* anteaya goes looking15:04
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asselin_ok while anteaya finds the link....15:04
anteaya#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061929.html15:04
asselin_we have an infra spec approved and some stories defined (based on the spec)15:04
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anteaya#link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/openstackci.html15:05
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asselin_#link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/200010115:05
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asselin_as mentioned in the post, I started with the "log server".15:06
BobBallLog server is an interesting one...15:06
asselin_I think the other modules should be able to follow similarly15:06
BobBallIs the proposal that we have a log server that the combined CIs can use, that's quite similar to Infra's log server?15:07
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asselin_BobBall, no, the idea is to use the same puppet script to create multiple identical log servers15:07
anteaya#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:downstream-puppet+status:open+owner:%22Ramy+Asselin+%253Cramy.asselin%2540hp.com%253E%22,n,z15:07
asselin_each owned by their 3rd party operator15:07
BobBallAh ok15:07
anteayajust common deployment structure15:08
BobBallSo by "common CI solution" do you just mean the deployment rather than a shared jenkins etc?15:08
anteayamaking debugging and support much much easier for everyone15:08
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asselin_BobBall, yes...shared puppet scripts.15:08
* BobBall mis-understood15:08
BobBallShame.15:08
asselin_BobBall, np...those are good questions15:08
BobBallI was thinking we were aiming for a shared CI infrastructure rather than independent but deployed from the same set of scripts15:09
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asselin_So, in the case of the log server, lot's of operators setup their own, but then log files require downloads & no "log analyze" filtering capability.15:10
asselin_BobBall, I think that would be great, but complicated from a security point of view.....15:10
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BobBallIndeed.15:10
* anteaya doesn't even want to think about what would be involved in co-ordinating that15:11
asselin_So the best is just to setup an 'identical' system....and make it easy to do so15:11
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anteayaI agree with that statement15:11
anteayaor at least, easier15:12
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anteayado we have more here?15:13
asselin_Yes, so I created stories for each main component15:13
anteayayou have many assigned to you15:13
anteayaand there are some unassigned15:13
anteayaasselin_: would you prefer someone just getting involved in the process help you with a current story you are working on or select their own?15:13
asselin_I think if we divide and conquer, we can all be using the same scripts sooner rather than later15:13
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* anteaya likes asselin_'s vision15:14
asselin_anteaya, I would prefer each to take their own, and we help out via reviews etc.15:14
anteayagreat15:14
fboasselin_, I would be happy to tackle the zuul one15:14
asselin_anteaya, personally I think it's more satisfying to get 'credit' for something.15:14
anteayaasselin_: it is15:14
anteayafbo: wonderful!15:15
fbobut as said I will need some guidances15:15
devvesaasselin_: I answered your mail this morning. I can help you too15:15
anteayafbo: you will get a lot15:15
asselin_fbo, great. I will be happy to help.15:15
anteayadevvesa: welcome15:15
fbocool !15:15
devvesathanks anteaya15:15
asselin_devvesa, I didn't see your mail yet, but your help would be appreciated as well!15:15
anteayaasselin_: would you like to do some work at summit on this? not asking folks to wait until summit to work of course15:16
devvesaI am so busy this week, but next I will be more free15:16
tristanCdo we agree that the configuration for a third party ci should be done through a common (shared) system-config ?15:16
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anteayaasselin_: I'm thinking if we can get you a table to get some work done, and others can join you, what do you think?15:16
asselin_anteaya, I would like to make progress first before the summit...15:16
anteayaasselin_: of course15:16
anteayanot asking anyone to wait until summit15:17
asselin_anteaya, and then use the summit to deal with difficult issues that arise, if any15:17
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BobBallI don't have much time pre-summit TBH but would definitely be interested in a table / BOF at the summit15:17
anteayaasselin_: so would a work space be useful perhaps? if yes, I should work on getting you a space now15:17
anteayasince summit spaces are quickly filling up15:17
asselin_anteaya, ok I see. then yes, let's get some space15:18
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anteaya#action anteaya to work on getting asselin_ a working space at summit15:18
anteayano promises but I will try15:18
asselin_BobBall, that's ok. If you have time to review or test some patches, that would be appreciated as well.15:18
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BobBallThat I can do15:19
asselin_devvesa, did you mention in the mail anything specific you'd like to help with?15:20
devvesaasselin_: no, because I haven't read your links yet15:20
devvesabut I am so frustrated with our infrastructure that I'd help with anything :)15:21
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anteayadevvesa: which is your infrastructure?15:21
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asselin_ok, so devvesa fbo self assign the 'one' story you'd like to start with. After the meeting we can discuss it in more details.15:22
devvesasome Barcelona's Datacenter machines with an old version of OpenStack15:22
anteayadevvesa: :(15:22
devvesaasselin_: ok!15:22
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fboasselin_, do you think we can try to make openstackci module as generic as possible ? I mean by generic reusable in another context than openstack (for instance I want the stack zuul nodepool jenkins connected to my own gerrit, not the openstack one)15:22
fboasselin_, ok15:22
asselin_fbo, absolutely15:23
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asselin_fbo, fyi, we have 3 ci's currently all pointing to different gerrit servers.15:24
fboasselin_, nice ! I'm sure it can be really helpful to lot of folks to have a it generic15:24
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fbook good to know15:24
asselin_so it no more questions, we can move on, and discuss more on this topic offline15:24
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anteayaasselin_: early indications are a table is only available on Tuesday afternoon15:25
anteayaso I requested one be booked for this work15:25
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anteayaand thank you so much asselin_15:25
asselin_anteaya, thank you15:25
anteayayou have worked so hard to get here15:26
anteayathis is awesome15:26
asselin_thanks15:26
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anteayadoes anyone have any questions about their current infrastructure which they would like to discuss?15:26
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BobBallWell I'm struggling to understand why DEVSTACK_GATE_TEMPEST_REGEX doesn't work in mine :)15:27
anteayaBobBall: what happens when you try it?15:27
anteayaBobBall: have you a stacktrace?15:27
BobBallNah - nothing that helpful15:27
BobBallJust does nothing15:27
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BobBallhttp://d7013eaae7e632dff837-028d11a4a642ead4d20755bd13d99a1b.r55.cf5.rackcdn.com/47/174247/4/passonly/dsvm-tempest-xen/f14a26e/console.html15:27
asselin_BobBall, make sure you're exporting it correctly15:27
anteayayeah, nothing isn't terribly helpful15:27
BobBall14:45:39 sudo: unable to resolve host ds-xen-142945284015:28
BobBall15:04:07 Removing sudo privileges for devstack user15:28
BobBall15:04:07 Cleaning up host15:28
BobBall15:04:07 ... this takes 3 - 4 minutes (logs at logs/devstack-gate-cleanup-host.txt.gz)15:28
BobBall15:04:26 Process leaked file descriptors. See http://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Spawning+processes+from+build for more information15:28
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BobBallExporting it in the same way I did for the other vars15:28
BobBall          export DEVSTACK_GATE_TEMPEST_REGEX="(?!.*test_volume_boot_pattern).*"15:28
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anteayaI think volume boot pattern is having a problem15:28
anteayaam I correct?15:28
asselin_BobBall, I don't think that's a valid regex15:28
BobBallmine certainly is :)15:28
* asselin_ looks up correct regex15:29
BobBallWhy not asselin_?15:29
BobBallIt's a negative lookahead...15:29
asselin_BobBall, yes, but you need to specify what you want first, then negative look ahead15:29
* anteaya doesn't know what a negative lookahead is15:29
BobBallthis worked: "grep -o -P "(?!.*test_cinder_qos_list)tempest[[:alnum:]._]*" regex_test"15:29
BobBallwhen I was just doing a test15:29
akerranteaya: run everything that doesn't match the following15:30
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anteayaakerr: thank you15:30
BobBalldo I have to use a negative lookbehind rather than a lookahead then?15:30
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asselin_BobBall, ^(?=.*volume)(?!.*test_volume_boot_pattern).*15:31
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akerrBobBall: we do something similar for our internal tests: export DEVSTACK_GATE_TEMPEST_REGEX='tempest.api.volume.netapp.(?!test_netapp_ssc)'15:31
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asselin_BobBall, at least that what works for us: http://15.126.198.151/41/174941/2/check/3par-iscsi-driver-master-client-pip-eos10-dsvm/d1cd391/console.html15:31
BobBallSo that would include all volume tests; does that actually exclude boot_pattern or not?  I'd assume not since the positive lookahead works fine?15:32
asselin_BobBall, it runs all volume tests except those matching "test_volume_boot_pattern"15:32
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BobBallAnd does that regexp only run volume tests?15:33
BobBallI'm just confused..15:34
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BobBallThe test I've done here seems to do what I expected15:34
BobBallPerhaps it's the perl-specific part that doesn't work15:34
BobBallDoes your regexp work with standard grep?15:34
asselin_BobBall, didn't try....15:34
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BobBallOK - your regexp seems to be doing more than just volume, good15:35
BobBallunless you have another one to add the basic scenarios :)15:35
asselin_BobBall, just one regex15:36
BobBallSeems to include tempest.scenario.test_minimum_basic.TestMinimumBasicScenario.test_minimum_basic_scenario15:36
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asselin_yes....but now that you mention it...not sure why...15:37
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asselin_there must be "volume" somewhere15:37
BobBallSo you think I need (?=.*)(?!.*pattern).*15:37
BobBall(shortened15:37
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BobBallBasically export DEVSTACK_GATE_TEMPEST_REGEX='^(?=.*)(?!.*test_volume_boot_pattern).*'15:38
asselin_BobBall, but that will run everything15:38
BobBallSurely everything except boot_pattern?15:39
asselin_yes :)15:39
* BobBall hates regexp15:39
BobBallGood - that's what I need15:39
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* BobBall is willing to bet that it doesn't work though...15:39
BobBallnot much :D15:39
anteayaany additional input on regexp?15:39
anteayaokay thanks asselin_ and akerr15:40
anteayaBobBall: I hope it works for you15:40
anteayalet us know15:40
anteayalet's move on15:40
anteayadoes anyone have anything else they would like to discuss today?15:40
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tristanCwell I have a quick question, Are efforts to make puppet manifest works on fedora/centos aligned with the openstackci spec ?15:41
tristanCor making system-config more generic the better priority effort ?15:42
asselin_tristanC, first priority is to make it more generic15:42
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asselin_tristanC, after it's merged, then follow up patches and add new support15:42
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asselin_tristanC, I'd like to try to keep the refactoring separate from new functionality.15:43
anteayato be clear, system-config will still be consider openstack infra specific15:43
anteayaconsidered15:43
asselin_I think that's generally good practice15:43
anteayathe work is to create a structure to consume the puppet modules that are already outside of system-config15:43
anteayaso a generic config repo that isnt' system-config15:44
tristanCasselin_: alright, sounds like a plan15:44
anteayathen after this is done, infra is planning on consuming the same new generic config file/repo15:44
anteayaand reducing infra usage of system-config15:44
asselin_anteaya, yes15:44
anteayathat is my current understanding15:44
tristanCanteaya: oh, so what would be that new structure ?15:44
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anteayatristanC: some new config that would be generic15:45
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anteayatristanC: I don't know as it has a name yet, or is that the openstackci repo asselin_?15:45
asselin_tristanC, see this patch for example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167426/15:45
asselin_tristanC, you can trace the cross-project 'depends on'15:45
asselin_tristanC, this is an example of infra specific system-config consuming the reusable log server puppet script15:46
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fboasselin_, so we need to reuse the same process when moving manifests to openstackci ?15:47
asselin_tristanC, so if you updated the log server script in openstackci to better support fedora/centos, it would be done in the puppet-openstackci repo15:47
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asselin_fbo, yes15:47
tristanCanteaya: asselin_: thanks for the explanation, it makes more sense15:48
anteayatristanC: great, thanks for asking the questions15:48
BobBallasselin_: Sorry to go back to this... Looking at your log you pasted me, I doubt very much the REGEX is the issue; your log includes a line that says "Running tempest with a custom regex filter" but mine does not run that, it just cleans up the host immediately after "Removing sudo privileges".  Any thoughts on why I might consistently stop there without any logging (that I've found so far...) What other D-G vars are you setting?15:48
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asselin_fbo, well I don't want to dictate process....if you find a better way, then great! otherwise that one is a good starting point.15:49
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anteayaasselin_: sometimes when folks are just getting started it doesn't hurt to dictate process, as it decreases the number of decisions they have to make to get involved15:50
anteayaasselin_: just be open to options if a block occurs15:50
anteayafbo: is that fair?15:50
asselin_BobBall, I remember when the export was done right it wouldn't run. Otherwise it should pick up.  https://github.com/openstack-infra/devstack-gate/blob/master/devstack-vm-gate.sh#L63515:51
fboyep15:51
anteayafbo: great15:51
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asselin_anteaya, fbo agreed. :)15:51
anteayaasselin_: thanks :)15:52
fboso thank you for the explanations it is clearer to me now :)15:52
anteayafbo: wonderful15:52
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anteaya8 minutes remaining anyone with a new topic?15:52
anteayaBobBall: are you in a happy place yet?15:53
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BobBallasselin_: For the record, I was being stupid... I was replacing DEVSTACK_GATE_TEMPEST with _REGEX, thinking the _TEMPEST was actually _TEMPEST_ALL... ... ...15:53
* BobBall needs to go find something nice and soft he doesn't mind hitting his head against15:53
anteayaBobBall: don't do that, at least you saw it15:54
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anteayadoes anyone have anything else today?15:54
BobBallIndeed.  I was expecting that one to bug me for days.15:54
anteayaBobBall: and here it is Monday and you saw it15:54
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anteayathe rest of the week stretches out before you15:54
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* anteaya considers wrapping up this meeting15:55
anteayaany objections?15:55
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anteayaso thanks everyone for your participation today, it will be great to get some additional coders/reviewers on asselin_'s work15:55
anteayaenjoy the rest of the day15:56
anteayasee you next week15:56
anteaya#endmeeting15:56
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dzimineHi all!16:21
rakhmerov#startmeeting Mistral16:22
openstackMeeting started Mon Apr 20 16:22:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:22
rakhmerovhi16:22
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:22
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'mistral'16:22
rakhmerovsorry for starting the meeting a little later16:22
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NikolayMhi !16:23
rakhmerovhey16:23
akuznetsovahey16:23
rakhmerovlet's wait for others16:23
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rakhmerovdzimine, you here?16:23
rakhmerovm4dcoder?16:24
rakhmerovxylan?16:24
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dzimineYes16:24
rakhmerovok16:25
rakhmerovlet's start16:25
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rakhmerov#topic Review Action items16:25
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rakhmerov1. rakhmerov, dzimine: figure out a plan for adding complex workflows into integration tests16:25
rakhmerovit's still in progress, tomorrow we will have a meeting about it with Dmitri and Winson16:26
rakhmerov#action rakhmerov (get others involved): figure out a plan for adding complex workflows into integration tests16:26
rakhmerov2. NikolayM: start ML discussion on YAQL 1.0, all: participate in it16:26
rakhmerovdone16:26
rakhmerov3. schedule a meeting with Dmitri and Nastya about integration testing16:27
rakhmerovnot done16:27
rakhmerov#action rakhmerov: schedule a meeting with Dmitri and Nastya about integration testing16:27
rakhmerov4. rakhmerov: talk to Winson about his ideas on how to run stress tests in Mistral16:27
rakhmerovit actually duplicates #116:27
rakhmerov#topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans)16:28
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rakhmerovlet's report our current statuses16:28
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dzimineJust reviews these weeks16:29
NikolayMmy status: fixed some bugs, did yaql rollback, 'with-items' ordering. Today fixed one small bug in client16:29
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rakhmerovmy status: last week I finished removing v1 artefacts, fixed a number of bugs including mistakes in "join" tests (all partial join tests were not thread-safe), also was involved in some administrative activities related with moving to openstack/ space16:30
rakhmerovok16:30
rakhmerov#topic What's left to do in Kilo? (critical bugs, docs etc.)16:30
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rakhmerovooh, one more thing16:30
rakhmerovR1 is released16:30
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rakhmerovjust a reminder: keep in mind that RC releases are not supposed to be uploaded on pypi16:31
rakhmerovonly official releases16:31
rakhmerovok, the main topic I was going to discuss is what else we should do till the end of Kilo cycle16:31
rakhmerovit's generally less than two weeks16:32
rakhmerovso I think it's time to do the last proposal on most important bugs/improvements and maybe even blueprints16:32
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rakhmerovhowever my suggestion is to not start anything heavy16:33
rakhmerovI also would like to spend 2 days to refresh our documentation16:33
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rakhmerovbtw, any help would be appreciated :)16:33
rakhmerovok16:34
akuznetsovarakhmerov, what do you mean by 'refresh' ?16:34
akuznetsovaupdate articles in wiki ?16:34
rakhmerovI mean "update it", many sections are obsolete16:35
rakhmerovyes16:35
rakhmerovlet's take a look at the Lauchpad and make our suggestions on bugs/bps16:35
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rakhmerovone thing that we need to finish is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-default-input-values16:36
akuznetsovanow we are part of OpenStack and out official docs http://mistral.readthedocs.org/en/master/ are not in a good shape16:36
rakhmerovit's done for workflows, but not done for actions yet16:36
rakhmerovLingxian Kong is now working on it16:36
rakhmerovakuznetsova, yes16:36
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akuznetsovarakhmerov, maybe it's time to migrate from wiki to readthedocs ?16:37
rakhmerovat this point though nobody is pushing us to get everything into ideal shape but yes, we need to improve it sooner than later16:37
rakhmerovakuznetsova, yes!16:37
rakhmerovI agree16:37
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rakhmerovin Liberty it will be on docs.openstack.org actually16:38
rakhmerovI don't know now how it's going to happen but we'll figure it out16:38
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rakhmerovthe main thing is to get the doc into shape now16:38
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rakhmerovso another BP: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/on-condition-one-liner16:39
rakhmerovit seems to have been done actually16:40
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rakhmerovbecause our task spec seems to be supporting both lists and strings in on-XXX clauses16:40
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rakhmerovbut we need to verify it and write tests for that if needed16:40
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rakhmerovI would also suggest we finish https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/142857616:41
openstackLaunchpad bug 1428576 in Mistral kilo "Retry policy break-on property does not work" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Nikolay Makhotkin (nmakhotkin)16:41
rakhmerovlooks like we came to some ideas on that with dzimine, so I think we need to renew the thread in ML, agree on the solution and get it done16:42
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rakhmerovguys, any suggestions from your side?16:43
rakhmerovdzimine?16:43
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rakhmerovNikolayM?16:43
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NikolayMMrakhmerov, it seems that on-condition-one-liner blueprint still is not done: https://github.com/stackforge/mistral/blob/master/mistral/workbook/types.py#L11416:44
rakhmerovok16:44
NikolayMMit allows only list16:44
rakhmerovHm.. interesting16:44
rakhmerovI thought I saw it allowing a string16:44
rakhmerovthat's ok, then we need to complete it16:44
rakhmerovso just from usability standpoint I would also like to see https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1444390 done16:45
openstackLaunchpad bug 1444390 in Mistral kilo ""Task name" column is missing in CLI action-execution-[list|get] commands" [Undecided,New]16:45
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rakhmerov#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/144439016:45
rakhmerov#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/142857616:45
openstackLaunchpad bug 1428576 in Mistral kilo "Retry policy break-on property does not work" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Nikolay Makhotkin (nmakhotkin)16:45
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rakhmerov#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/on-condition-one-liner16:46
NikolayMMhmm16:46
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NikolayMMlet's decide what we want to see instead of 'break-on'16:46
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rakhmerovNikolayMM, I thin it makes sense to get back to ML, I'm afraid we just don't have enough time right now16:47
rakhmerovsounds ok?16:47
NikolayMMyes16:48
NikolayMMok16:48
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rakhmerov#action rakhmerov: renew ML discussion about "break-on"16:48
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rakhmerovso what else do you think is critical to fix?16:49
dzimineMy internet went down, sorry16:50
dzimineStill down. I'll pick it up on ML16:50
rakhmerovok, no problem16:50
rakhmerovdzimine, do you see anything critically important for you that we need to fix in Kilo?16:51
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rakhmerovthat's not done yet16:51
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rakhmerovok, looks like dzimine is still experiencing some connectivity issues..16:53
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rakhmerovok, so I don't see any other critical things for now16:54
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rakhmerovand I don't have anything else to discuss for today16:54
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rakhmerovlet's close the meeting unless you have something else16:55
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rakhmerovok16:56
rakhmerovthanks for joining16:56
rakhmerovbye16:56
NikolayMMbye16:56
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rakhmerov#endmeeting16:56
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sayali1#startmeeting training-guides17:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Apr 20 17:01:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sayali1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:01
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sayali1Hi17:02
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dguitarbitehello17:02
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matjazphey17:03
sayali1looks like it's just the three of us today17:03
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sayali1agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/training-guides#Agenda_20_April17:04
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sayali1#topic reviews17:05
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matjazpupstream training patches?17:05
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sayali1ya quite a few there17:06
dguitarbitematjazp: I have cherrypicked them to include the new CI changes17:06
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matjazpdguitarbite: sure, thnx17:06
sayali1dguitarbite: thanks.17:07
dguitarbitematjazp: welcome ;)17:07
dguitarbitejust saving some time and effort17:07
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matjazpcan you please also look at #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175312/17:07
matjazpnew look for the slides17:08
dguitarbiteI did review this one17:08
dguitarbitedo you want me to rebase this one too17:08
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sayali1matjazp: Ah nice.17:08
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dguitarbiteI am not sure if they will be checked by the CI system yet17:08
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sayali1matjazp: you took some work off my back :D17:09
matjazppranav, can we look at the generated slides on the gate?17:09
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dguitarbitematjazp: moment17:09
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dguitarbiteIm afraid no!17:10
matjazpsayali1: np, but it still needs tweaking... Google's slides2 theme in much better, but we should wait for a new version of the hieroglyph package17:10
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matjazpdguitarbite: that would ease reviewing immensley17:10
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dguitarbitematjazp: we need to wait for that feature17:11
sayali1matjazp: what theme is being used right now?17:11
matjazpit's so slow at the moment because you have to pull the patch and run tox manually17:11
dguitarbitematjazp: the priority would be to publish the first set of slides on docs.openstack.org17:11
matjazpsayali1: default, "slides", I only tweaked h1 and h2 font colors and added a background image17:11
dguitarbiteafter that we can get more breathing room for luxuries and also convincing the docs team for this feature.17:12
matjazpdguitarbite: yes, and a job that copy generated html on the gate so you can look directly at the output will enable much quicker reviewing17:12
sayali1matjazp: ok, it is good we atleast have the basic done for now. We can improve it with time.17:13
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matjazpsayali1: yes, it still needs an OpensTack logo in the footer17:13
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sayali1matjazp: ok17:14
matjazpdguitarbite: why can't we copy generated html to the log files?17:14
dguitarbitematjazp: the infra is under heavy use, they limit the functionality, copying html to log files is a no go.17:15
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dguitarbitefor publishing the html slides upstream, we need to add another gate17:15
matjazpoh, and generated index.html is crap. that shouldn't be in the form of slides, it should be a normal web page?17:15
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dguitarbitethis will take a long time esp. since the release is near and also we have the summit.17:16
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dguitarbiteI would suggest you to wait for a month. Also my priority is to fix the cluster,17:16
sayali1any other patches that need attetion?17:17
sayali1attention*17:18
matjazpI would like to merge upstream patches as soon as possible. If new theme is ok, I would copy that there too.17:18
dguitarbiteYou have my +1 from the jenkins jobs :)17:19
matjazpdguitarbite: :) does that count?17:20
dguitarbitematjazp: I will check the patches soonish and give my +1 on top of that :)17:20
dguitarbiteand yes it counts17:20
sayali1matjazp: just checked the theme. It looks good. Just that there is some overlap between the slides. Is that intentional?17:21
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sayali1and yes we need to add the logo17:21
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matjazpsayali1: I didn't look much at the content17:21
matjazpsayali1: that should be a new patch17:21
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sayali1matjazp: not the content17:22
sayali1the slides layout17:22
matjazpsayali1: where?17:22
sayali1matjazp: I can see the begenning of the next slide when I am on one slide17:22
sayali1it is for almost every slide17:23
matjazpthat's the feature of the hieroglyph, it can be disabled17:23
matjazpit's intentionsl, so you can see what is next17:23
matjazpintentional17:23
sayali1matjazp: oh. ok then.17:23
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sayali1matjazp: will you be adding the logo for these?17:24
sayali1or should that be another patch?17:24
matjazpsayali1: it's not so easy, so it's for another patch17:24
sayali1matjazp: cool17:25
matjazpyou must do a custom html layout17:25
matjazpand insert logo there17:25
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sayali1matjazp: ok17:25
matjazpat least I think so... footer is copied from conf files?17:25
matjazphmm.. maybe we should also ask reed if new theme is ok with him?17:26
sayali1matjazp: I don't have any idea about this, will need to check it out17:27
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sayali1matjazp: yes we should17:27
matjazpreed, you around?17:27
reedyes17:27
matjazpreed: can you please look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175312/ if that theme is ok for upstream training?17:28
reedguys, do you use a mailing list?17:28
matjazpreed: sure, but during a meeting its easier to ping you ;)17:28
dguitarbitereed: we are on docs17:28
reedmatjazp, is there a publishing job somewhere? or do I have to pull and review locally?17:28
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sayali1reed: it needs to be done locally17:29
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matjazpreed; sadly, no publishing job :( pranav said infra is too crowded for that at the moment17:29
reedI'll add that to my todo list17:29
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clarkbpublishing jobs should already exist17:29
clarkbjust need to apply it to your project17:30
matjazpclarkb: any restrictions on the size?17:30
dguitarbiteclarkb: its there for xml/maven17:30
dguitarbiteI am not sure if we have it for RST17:30
clarkbdguitarbite: we publish every project's RST already17:31
clarkbdguitarbite: so if a new project comes along it just needs to use the existing templates right?17:31
dguitarbiteclarkb: ok17:31
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matjazpclarkb: we generate html with heiroglyph, is that still ok?17:31
clarkbmatjazp: thats sphinx right? should be fine17:32
dguitarbitematjazp: it should be fine17:32
dguitarbitejust a few tweaks17:32
matjazpclarkb: yes, it's an add-on17:32
dguitarbiterequired17:32
sayali1let's add that to the todo then17:32
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matjazpdguitarbite: maybe you can look at this?17:33
sayali1#todo create CI job for RST content17:33
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dguitarbitematjazp: I will!17:34
sayali1#action dguitarbite create CI job for RST content17:34
matjazpsayali1: can you make this an action?17:34
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sayali1matjazp: done ;)17:34
matjazp:)17:34
matjazpyou17:34
matjazpare17:34
matjazpquick ;)17:34
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sayali1:D17:34
sayali1moving on17:35
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sayali1#topic docs status17:35
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sayali1dguitarbite: I think you wanted to take this up?17:36
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dguitarbitesayali1: Not anymore. We have already discussed a few of these.17:37
sayali1ok.17:37
dguitarbitematjazp: pointed out the the link some time back.17:37
sayali1cool17:38
sayali1#topic labs infra17:38
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sayali1let's talk about this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175374/17:38
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sayali1dguitarbite: sorry about making you patch this! Not required anymore right?17:39
matjazpdisks are thin provisioned, right? so why be so stingy with the disk space?17:39
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sayali1matjazp: I thought we needed to increase the ram and memory since we added a few additional services but that is no longer required so it's better we keep it the way it was17:40
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sayali1also dguitarbite I think we can abandon the patch instead.17:40
dguitarbitematjazp: there is a reason for that, wait a moment17:40
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dguitarbitesayali1: there is no need for that I have improvised17:41
matjazpI'm not thinking about ram, just disk space17:41
dguitarbitematjazp: there is a script which zeroes out the disks for improved sanity17:42
dguitarbitethis negates the diskspace saved due to thin provisioning17:42
dguitarbiteso we cannot keep the disk space higher17:43
dguitarbiteand this also increases the time taken for building the base-disk :)17:43
matjazpwhy is that necessary?17:43
matjazpzeroing disks?17:43
dguitarbitezero_empty.sh17:43
dguitarbiteunder /labs/scripts17:43
sayali1dguitarbite: cool17:44
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dguitarbitematjazp: wait another minute17:44
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sayali1rluethi: hey!17:45
rluethihi everyone, sorry I'm late.17:45
dguitarbitecommit 05bb9668f4c67012711b4a966c22636d88c0890617:45
dguitarbiteAuthor: Roger Luethi <rl@patchworkscience.org>17:45
dguitarbiteDate:   Wed Jun 18 09:53:54 2014 +020017:45
dguitarbite    Scripts to clean disk and shut down17:45
dguitarbite17:45
dguitarbite    This changeset adds two simple scripts: one fills the unused space17:45
dguitarbite    of the root disk with zeroes to allow for better compression of the17:45
dguitarbite    resulting disk image, the other shuts the computer down.17:45
dguitarbite17:46
dguitarbite    Partial-Bug: 131276417:46
openstackbug 1312764 in OpenStack Training Guides "training-labs scripts cannot build a training cluster" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1312764 - Assigned to Roger Luethi (rl-o)17:46
dguitarbite    Implements: blueprint openstack-training-labs17:46
sayali1rluethi: np17:46
dguitarbite    Change-Id: I2e80518733b0e1e17a59192c6e2522f42370955117:46
dguitarbiteapoligizes for the spam, could notget a URL17:46
dguitarbiterluethi: hello, thanks for saving me... matjazp asked me why is zero_empty.sh important17:46
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dguitarbiteI think for compression of the resultant disks ... can you tell him the reasons?17:46
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matjazpI was just asking if we use thin or thick provisioned disks17:47
rluethidguitarbite, matjazp: yes, it's to allow for better compression of the disk images.17:47
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dguitarbitematjazp: I think I said so already!17:48
matjazpif you write to the blocks, thin disks get large (basically thick provisionied?17:48
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matjazpor dou you explicitly (with virtbox api convert them after the zeroing?)17:48
rluethiit's thin provisioning, but dd is writing out to the full capacity, so it takes longer for larger disks.17:49
rluethithen we tell virtualbox to compress the whole thing.17:49
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matjazpso maybe it should be thick provisioned from the start and then convert to thin disks?17:50
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rluethimatjazp: feel free to experiment and let us know your results :-)17:50
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rluethimatjazp: the code is in lib/osbash/virtualbox.install_base17:51
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dguitarbitematjazp: you cannot conver from thick to thin17:51
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matjazpyou can clone from one form to the other17:53
matjazpbut this debate is not important17:53
matjazpI was just commenting the mentioned review17:54
dguitarbitemaybe we should not zero out the disks17:54
dguitarbiteit is more of a limitation as of now17:54
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dguitarbiteas we are not able to add bigger images etc.17:54
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sayali1time check17:56
sayali1rluethi: I think telemetry works now, dguitarbite fixed it17:57
sayali1rluethi: test it when you can17:57
rluethisayali1: sounds great, i'll give it a try17:57
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dguitarbitein all fairness it was sayali1 's work17:58
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sayali1dguitarbite: good catches though. Thanks :)17:58
sayali1anything else?17:58
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matjazpi'm good17:59
sayali1I think we can wrap up then.17:59
matjazpbye all18:00
sayali1bye, see you'll next week.18:00
rluethibye18:00
sayali1#endmeeting18:00
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sdake#startmeeting kolla20:06
openstackMeeting started Mon Apr 20 20:06:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:06
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:06
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sdake#topic rollcall20:06
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sdakeo/ hey20:06
rhalliseyhello20:06
sdakedaneyon make it?20:06
sdakejpeeler shadower?20:07
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jpeelerhey!20:07
daneyon_here20:07
sdakehey jpeeler20:07
sdakehey daneyon20:07
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sdake#topic miletone #4 bug beating20:07
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sdakewe have quite a few bugs in milestone #420:07
sdakewhat I would like to do is cut a stable/kilo release and fix those milestone 34 bugs that dont make it by friday20:08
sdakeand backport them20:08
sdakethen we will enter rc releases on stable/kilo branch20:08
sdakeany objections?20:09
rhalliseynope20:09
daneyon_i thought we are using rdo juno pkgs20:09
sdakewe are20:09
sdakebut we are releasing in the kilo branch20:09
daneyon_so would it be stable/juno?20:09
sdakei think that would be confusing20:09
daneyon_so when we use rdo kilo, then will that be a different stable branch?20:10
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sdaketheoretically that would be stable/liberty20:10
daneyon_ok20:11
sdakeits confusing either way20:11
daneyon_i think it's confusing calling it stable/kilo when the code we are basing our work is juno.20:12
sdakemaybe we can cover that in documentation?20:12
sdakewe are releasing at the stable/kio release cycle20:12
daneyon_people are going to think we are using openstack kilo if it's stable/kilo20:12
sdakeand some day we may have release from source20:12
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daneyon_ok20:12
sdakei htink we can document that20:12
sdakebut as is it remains undocumented20:12
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sdakeso settled then -doc fix to the problem?20:13
daneyon_ok20:13
daneyon_yes20:13
sdakecool20:13
sdake#topic milestone #420:13
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sdake#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/milestone-420:14
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sdakewell I've beendebuggingneutron for the last 7 days20:15
sdakeso no luck on working on ceilometer :(20:15
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sdakeI'll finish teh job on multios tho20:15
sdakeI think ceiloemter will have to fit after kilo is branched20:15
sdakerhallisey any updates on cinder?20:15
daneyon_i have yet to start the ha spec due to #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/144421920:15
openstackLaunchpad bug 1444219 in kolla milestone-4 "nova booted with neutron fails to obtain dhcp lease" [Critical,Triaged] - Assigned to Steven Dake (sdake)20:15
sdakeya i think that spec are going into l120:16
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sdakei'll move it now20:16
rhalliseynot much20:16
rhalliseysdake, did you get a chance to try it at all?20:16
sdakerhallisey no the code wasn't merged last I checked20:16
rhalliseyya I need another +220:17
sdakeand I've been debugging neutron for 7 days groan20:17
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daneyon_rhallisey what review needs another +2?20:17
rhalliseyhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/170965/20:18
sdakeif someone wants to review that I'd super love them :)20:18
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sdakeit looked good, the compose file looked less good :(20:19
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rhalliseysdake, ya I'll add a volume once this is merged20:19
rhalliseyto fix the compose file20:19
sdakedo you need a volume mount20:19
sdakeor can't you just mount that stuff locally?20:19
sdakei.e. does it need to persist?20:20
rhalliseythat's a good question..20:20
sdakeby mount locally i mean use the container filesystem20:20
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rhalliseyI don't this it needs to persist20:20
sdakethen just remove all the bind mounts and your good to go :)20:20
rhalliseys/this/think20:20
sdakewith testing of course :)20:20
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rhalliseysdake, right I'll get rid of what I can20:21
sdakecool deadline is friday - i'd like to test it out before then20:21
sdakeso hopefullly it hits the repo soon :)20:21
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daneyon_I don't see a compose file in #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170965/20:22
sdakeit is a different eview20:22
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daneyon_is that in a different review?20:22
daneyon_ok20:22
rhalliseyya I separated them20:22
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sdake#topic open discussion20:23
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jpeelerone +2 for reviews?20:23
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sdakeright20:24
sdakejpeeler had brought up the idea of requriing 1 +2 for reviews20:24
sdakenow that our core team is smaller and our velocity is higher20:24
sdakethoughts?20:24
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rhalliseysdake, do you feel like we're moving too slow with reviews?20:24
daneyon_anyone see if we can call an ENV var in compose yml volumes?20:25
sdakeya reviews are too slow20:25
sdakeit really takes 6 core team size to support 2 +2 reviewerss20:26
sdakealthough it can be done with 520:26
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rhalliseysdake, we can certainly go for it until we get a few more cores20:27
jpeeleri admit i haven't helped the speed much lately20:27
sdakejpeeler shit happens20:27
rhalliseyya I haven't been reviewing at full speed either20:27
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daneyon_i feel like there has been a few times the second core review helped from merging a bug, etc..20:28
rhalliseydaneyon_, that's what I was thinking too20:28
daneyon_With tat said, I am fine with a single +2, we may just need to troubleshoot more bugs on the backend20:28
jpeelerthere's always value in additional review20:28
sdakethere are 2 solutions to this problem - increase capacity - reduce requirements20:28
rhalliseythat's what I liked about it20:28
sdakei'm personally willing to wait for the 2 core reviewers20:29
sdakei can harass ppl on irc if need ;)20:29
sdakeI am hopeful after the dog & pony show at summit we will have more contribs :)20:30
rhalliseyindeed20:30
daneyon_sdake: your harassment technique works well20:30
sdakeshould we revisit this after summit?20:30
daneyon_ya20:30
rhalliseyya sure20:30
sdake#action revisit dropping to 1 core revewier post summit20:31
daneyon_anyone see if we can call an ENV var in compose yml volumes?20:31
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sdakedaneyon_ you could really throw me a bone if you pasted a sample :)20:31
rhalliseydon't know20:31
daneyon_OK, i'll continue to look into it20:31
rhalliseysdake, Slow and I have been able to successfully show integration with tripleo20:32
sdakerhallisey nice!20:32
* sdake would like to be a fly on th wall in that meeting ;)20:32
rhalliseywe made a video.  I just need to narrate it and and I'll post it somewhere the public can see20:32
sdakeusing compose or something else?20:33
rhalliseyatomic20:33
rhalliseybut again could be with compose20:33
rhalliseynot much changes20:33
rhalliseylike only a few lines20:33
sdakei don't have a strong preference to how poeple use kolla20:33
rhalliseywe'll at least it can go either way20:33
sdakeobey the license, and i'm good :)20:34
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sdakeanything else folks?20:34
daneyon_nada20:35
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sdakeenjoy :)20:35
sdake#endmeeting20:35
rhalliseythanks20:35
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jpeelerheh, doesn't the apache license pretty much allow you to do whatever?20:35
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