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| mestery | yo | 13:57 |
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| sweston | hello | 13:58 |
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| mestery | lol | 13:58 |
| dougwig | Yo | 13:58 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi | 14:00 |
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| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 2 14:01:03 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | hi | 14:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hi all! | 14:01 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 14:01 |
| mestery | #topic Announcements | 14:01 |
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| enikanorov__ | hi | 14:01 |
| mestery | The mid-cycle is next week | 14:01 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/NeutronKiloSprint | 14:01 |
| mestery | For those who have registered, please send Jun your contact info so he can set you up with wifi | 14:01 |
| mestery | He's only received 5 names so far | 14:01 |
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| mestery | The contact info is on the wiki page | 14:02 |
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| mestery | I'm still working out logistics for remote participation, stay tuned for that. | 14:02 |
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| mestery | Spec Proposal and Spec Approval Deadline is approaching fast | 14:03 |
| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-November/050958.html | 14:03 |
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| mestery | #info SPD is 12-8-2014 and SAD is 12-15-2014. | 14:03 |
| mestery | I know folks have been very busy reviewing specs, which is great to see! | 14:03 |
| mestery | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/kilo-1 | 14:04 |
| bobmel | mestery: About the mid cycle and API/RPC layer refactoring, are there any details on that? | 14:04 |
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| mestery | bobmel: Nothing that isn't on the wiki already | 14:04 |
| mestery | #info Kilo-1 is 12-18-2014 | 14:05 |
| mestery | Any other announcements for the team? | 14:05 |
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| mhanif | How about the subteams? | 14:05 |
| mestery | mhanif: Look later in the agenda please | 14:05 |
| mhanif | OK. Thanks. | 14:05 |
| mestery | #topic Bugs | 14:06 |
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| mestery | enikanorov: Hi there! | 14:06 |
| enikanorov__ | hi | 14:06 |
| enikanorov__ | in fact there are no major updates from the last week | 14:06 |
| mestery | enikanorov__: Excellent! | 14:07 |
| enikanorov__ | so the set of high priority bugs remains the same | 14:07 |
| enikanorov__ | i've written the spec for the bp regarding conntrack/sg issue | 14:07 |
| enikanorov__ | so please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137140/ | 14:07 |
| mestery | enikanorov__: Thanks for that, I've reviewed it, I encourage others to review it as well. | 14:07 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137140/ | 14:07 |
| enikanorov__ | hoope that 'll help to move forward with the fix | 14:07 |
| mestery | enikanorov__: I know salv-orlando was interested in that, he cant make the meeting today however | 14:08 |
| mestery | beagles: You put a bug update on the agenda as well I believe. | 14:08 |
| enikanorov__ | good to know. i'll ping him later | 14:08 |
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| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1254555 | 14:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1254555 in tripleo "tenant does not see network that is routable from tenant-visible network until neutron-server is restarted" [Critical,Fix released] | 14:09 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127633/ | 14:09 |
| mestery | Looks like beagles has proposed a fix (youtube video for the reproduction included!) for that issue | 14:09 |
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| mestery | Any other bugs to bring up here? | 14:10 |
| amotoki | mestery: re: bug 1254555, isn't it better to file it as a new bug? It is already relased. | 14:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1254555 in tripleo "tenant does not see network that is routable from tenant-visible network until neutron-server is restarted" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1254555 | 14:11 |
| mestery | amotoki: Honestly, that makes sense and we can link back to the original bug. | 14:11 |
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| mestery | beagles: ^^^^ When you get back | 14:11 |
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| mestery | #topic Docs | 14:12 |
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| mestery | emagana isn't here today, does anyone else have any docs updates? | 14:13 |
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| mestery | #info emagana updated the wiki page with recent doc changes | 14:13 |
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| mestery | #topic Sub-Team Charters | 14:14 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronSubteamCharters | 14:14 |
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| mestery | Thanks to those sub-teams which put charters up for Kilo. | 14:14 |
| mestery | Please note dougwig added an "End Date" section to the wiki as well | 14:14 |
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| nickster | http://payripo.com/?share=7080 If any of you is looking for an online job, this is your website. I've earned like 70 dollars for the last 4 days. | 14:15 |
| mestery | lol | 14:15 |
| lukasa_work | Awesome | 14:15 |
| blogan | just what ive been looking for | 14:15 |
| lukasa_work | I wasn't bothered about this OpenStack stuff anyway. ;) | 14:15 |
| markmcclain | mestery: looking at the charters.. have a question about adv svc | 14:15 |
| dougwig | nickster: i have 4 million dollars locked in escrow. if you can send me just $1000, i'll split it with you. | 14:15 |
| markmcclain | mestery: not sure they actually have a deliverable for Kilo | 14:16 |
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| * dougwig apologizes for being off-topic. it's early. | 14:16 | |
| mestery | markmcclain: Ack, agreed | 14:16 |
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| markmcclain | mestery: seems that the split is largely something we'll be working through next week in SLC | 14:16 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: Agreed, that has to be complete in the next few weeks | 14:17 |
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| armax | sorry I am late :) | 14:17 |
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| * armax still needs to get adjusted to the hour shift | 14:18 | |
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| mestery | Lets reevaluate the adv svcs. team in 2 weeks once hte split is done, sound good markmcclain? | 14:18 |
| markmcclain | mestery: works for me | 14:18 |
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| mestery | The L3 team charter looks good carl_baldwin, you are tracking a bunch of BPs for Kilo. | 14:19 |
| mestery | dougwig, same for LBaaS. | 14:19 |
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| dougwig | i need to update with kilo bp's, still | 14:19 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: Thanks. Do you see anything that should be added or changed? | 14:19 |
| mestery | mhanif: Edge VPN may make sense being subsumed into the VPNaaS work once it splits out, what do you think? | 14:19 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Did you find someone to do the subnet allocation work yet? | 14:20 |
| mestery | I know you're swamped :) | 14:20 |
| mhanif | mestry: There isn't an active VPNaaS team and hence the proposal for a new subteam | 14:20 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: Not yet. | 14:20 |
| nati_ueno | mestery: I agree with you | 14:20 |
| nati_ueno | mhanif: let's restart it them. we get stucked in ssl-vpn now | 14:20 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: OK, lets see if we can get someone signed up for that, I consider that one important for Kilo as part of L3 refactoring | 14:21 |
| nati_ueno | mhanif: but if we need meeting we can have it anytime | 14:21 |
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| mhanif | nati_ueno: Thanks! I also don't see anyone proposing a charter for VPNaaS? | 14:21 |
| marun | re: dvr team, is adding support for vpnaas/fwaas going to continue to be the responsibility of neutron once the split out happens? | 14:21 |
| * mestery notes ML2 isn't on the list either | 14:21 | |
| markmcclain | I think part of the issue with vpn anything is that barbican needs to be integrated with that extension | 14:22 |
| nati_ueno | mhanif: ok let's propose it | 14:22 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: ya | 14:22 |
| rkukura | mestery: ML2 charter is there | 14:22 |
| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin will find assignee for subnet allocation work | 14:22 |
| mestery | rkukura: Woops, did I miss it? Sorry | 14:22 |
| rkukura | mestery: refresh | 14:22 |
| mestery | pesky browser reload. I blame dougwig and his coffee with bailleys | 14:22 |
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| mhanif | markmcclain: barbican makes sense for end-to-end VPNs and not edge VPN. Would you agree? | 14:23 |
| nati_ueno | mhanif: do you mind if I make update your team proposal. let's update it for vpnaas team | 14:24 |
| markmcclain | mhanif: really depends on the implementation I can see basic ones where we would not need it | 14:24 |
| mestery | OK, thanks for writing charters folks! The goal was for sub-teams to have clear deliverables, we're making progress moving in that direction. | 14:24 |
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| mhanif | nati_ueno: Sure. Please go ahead. Thanks | 14:24 |
| nati_ueno | mhanif: Thanks | 14:24 |
| mestery | marun: That's a good question, lets ask swami, he's not online now. Sound ok? | 14:25 |
| marun | mestery: ok. | 14:25 |
| mestery | OK, lets move on folks. | 14:26 |
| mestery | Lots of fun topics today! | 14:26 |
| mestery | #topic Services Split | 14:26 |
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| mestery | dougwig: You put this on the agenda I believe? | 14:26 |
| armax | marun: as far as I can tell the work on vpn/fwaas for dvr | 14:26 |
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| armax | marun: should be fairly trivial | 14:26 |
| marun | armax: I get that, I was wondering if the services moving out changes anything | 14:27 |
| dougwig | i did. a few of the more contentious items from the gerrit split discussion. first up was moving extensions now or after the rest refactor. i believe the ML proposal had after, but all feedback since then has been "move them now, let them break during the refactor" | 14:27 |
| markmcclain | I'd prefer we do it after | 14:27 |
| armax | marun: fair point, but dvr, just like plain l3 would still need to work with these services | 14:27 |
| markmcclain | mainly because we'll still have tempest testing that occurs as part of the cogating | 14:27 |
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| markmcclain | so we won't be able to break them and the refactor would massively break them if we split right now | 14:28 |
| mestery | +1 to after | 14:28 |
| nati_ueno | mhanif: updated. | 14:28 |
| dougwig | the co-gate is a great point. | 14:28 |
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| mhanif | nati_ueno: Thanks | 14:29 |
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| armax | markmcclain: if we move the API tests in the neutron tree and enable the api job that marun is working on, would that help? | 14:29 |
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| bobmel | markmcclain: can you describe how the refactor is going to happen? | 14:30 |
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| markmcclain | armax: only a little bit.. because if we split pre-refactor the tests run in the each svc repo would fail | 14:31 |
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| dougwig | and since neutron is supposed to co-gate on those tests in kilo.... | 14:32 |
| dougwig | boom | 14:32 |
| markmcclain | bobmel: looks like we can dive into that after dougwig's questions | 14:32 |
| markmcclain | dougwig: right.. we'd have to a do a much more extended compatibility dance | 14:32 |
| bobmel | markmcclain: ok, great. | 14:32 |
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| mestery | bobmel: It's on the agenda later | 14:33 |
| armax | markmcclain: I would be imagine it is acceptable to tolerate a temporary failures in new repos that are being set up, no? | 14:33 |
| dougwig | markmcclain: ok, i'm going to doc an extension move pause based on that, unless i hear an objection here. | 14:33 |
| markmcclain | armax: I'd say no.. because we'd basically only be running unit tests and making any scenario/functional/api test non-voting | 14:33 |
| mestery | dougwig: ++ | 14:34 |
| markmcclain | which other brokenness could slip in | 14:34 |
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| marun | markmcclain: because we have such great tempest coverage of the adv services? | 14:34 |
| armax | markmcclain: well we should make sure that nothing gets in, but the fixes to make them voting again | 14:34 |
| markmcclain | armax: our unit tests are also fairly functional which means we're very likely to break those too | 14:34 |
| dougwig | the next item for a quick discussion was whether to split service databases into their own now, or to continue using the neutron db, but with their one tables and migration chains. separate db enforces more separation, but it's also more overhead to getting this done, and doesn't buy us much before there's a separate api endpoint. more pros/cons on that | 14:34 |
| dougwig | are in gerrit. i'm leaning towards shared db right now. anyone else? | 14:34 |
| dougwig | /one tables/own/tables/ | 14:35 |
| marun | We can also pursue same db, separate timeline | 14:35 |
| marun | not saying it's better worse, just an option (one that we considered in the context of the vendor split) | 14:35 |
| markmcclain | armax: our tests a kind of big knot because we load up the API even in unit tests for things that aren't api related | 14:36 |
| dougwig | separate timeline meaning? if it's separate alembic, that's what i'm suggesting. | 14:36 |
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| marun | dougwig: yeah, i'm not reading too good this morning. sorry | 14:36 |
| dougwig | i'm right there with you. :) | 14:36 |
| markmcclain | dougwig: +1 to same db for now since the endpoint is shared | 14:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | marun: you mean separate migration chain, i guess | 14:36 |
| marun | dougwig: same db seems like a good starting point to me. | 14:37 |
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| mestery | Keep it simple if we want it completed during Kilo | 14:37 |
| markmcclain | mestery: ++ | 14:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: regarding the point about UTs breaking with extensions moving out, i would imagine the UTs being refactored as well and being fixed at the same time, no? | 14:37 |
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| mestery | Remember, we'll have Lxxx, Mxxx, Nxxx. to keep working on this. Well, unless we finish Neutron during one of those releases. But I digress. :) | 14:38 |
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| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: yes the UTs are being reworked too | 14:38 |
| dougwig | ok, i'm going to doc the single db connection/multiple migrations as the plan in gerrit, and move the separate db's to alternatives. and now back to the extensions discussion... | 14:39 |
| mestery | dougwig: ++ | 14:40 |
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| mestery | 20 minutes left, should we move on? dougwig, you good here? | 14:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it seems that the alternative that armax proposed to on the co-gating issue (make it non-voting for a small window) is worth considering | 14:40 |
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| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: any time we've turned off voting bit rot sets in immediately | 14:41 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: ++ | 14:42 |
| armax | markmcclain: well, as I said, this should happen with a bit of diligence, to ensure that we prevent that, and even a small fumigation does not sound like a terrible idea | 14:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: but per the suggestion the changes to any services side could be controlled during that small window | 14:42 |
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| armax | markmcclain: but I am all in for any other way that preserves sanity throughout | 14:43 |
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| dougwig | what is the size of that window? six months? one? 2 weeks? 2 days? that seems to have a direct bearing on where it makes sense to maintain these things. | 14:44 |
| blogan | the plan in the end would be to move the extensions out at some point after the api refactor right? | 14:44 |
| markmcclain | armax: I'm for sanity too… managing change in multiple repos is closer to exponential increase in work not linear one | 14:44 |
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| armax | dougwig: my take would be the smallest it can be | 14:45 |
| mestery | blogan: Yes, that's my understanding | 14:45 |
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| markmcclain | blogan: yeah… basically land the refactor and split the trees | 14:45 |
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| dougwig | armax: and if it's small, the overhead of coordinating between repos would seem to not be worth it to me. | 14:45 |
| blogan | mestery, markmcclain: great, thats all that really should matter honestly | 14:45 |
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| mestery | OK, everyone good to move on then? | 14:46 |
| armax | markmcclain: ok | 14:46 |
| armax | mestery: ok | 14:46 |
| mestery | armax SumitNaiksatam dougwig markmcclain: Good with the plan? | 14:46 |
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| mestery | OK, lets move on, 13 minutes left, 3 items on the agenda still | 14:47 |
| dougwig | i'm good, though i will chat offline with mark about whether the split needs to wait for the refactor, or if we can two-stage the parts that matter there. | 14:47 |
| mestery | #topic Pluggable devstack | 14:47 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137054/ | 14:47 |
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| markmcclain | dougwig: sounds good | 14:47 |
| mestery | I wanted to highlight this spec for neutron folks | 14:47 |
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| mestery | devstack is moving towards making things more pluggable, and they will likely move to rip out some things from their tree too :) | 14:47 |
| mestery | sound familiar? | 14:47 |
| mestery | Please review this if you have some support in devstack | 14:47 |
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| mestery | It's a good idea, will make working with devstack nice for third party drivers. | 14:48 |
| mestery | That's all I had there, just wanted to highlight it for folks. | 14:48 |
| mestery | Moving on again ... | 14:48 |
| sc68cal | I'll check it out | 14:48 |
| mestery | #topic Zombie flavors spec wants brains | 14:48 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102723 | 14:48 |
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| mestery | dougwig: This one is yours I believe :) | 14:48 |
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| dougwig | it lives, it's mark's from juno with tweaks, please comment. | 14:48 |
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| markmcclain | dougwig: thank you for updating it | 14:49 |
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| enikanorov__ | haha | 14:49 |
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| mestery | dougwig: Thanks indeed ;) | 14:49 |
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| mestery | OK, I encourage folks to review flavors again for inclusion in Kilo. | 14:49 |
| mestery | dougwig: Anything in particular you wanted to bring up here, or rather a reminder of it's existence? | 14:50 |
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| blogan | hate to say it, but wouldn't it be dependent on the split? | 14:50 |
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| mestery | blogan: Absolutely | 14:50 |
| dougwig | just a reminder that it's not dead, and we only have a couple weeks to drive to consensus. | 14:50 |
| markmcclain | mestery: we really should try to land this one pre split if possible | 14:50 |
| blogan | i should probably read the spec, im sure its in there | 14:50 |
| amotoki | blogan: we still have one spec repo, so it is worth reviewed now. | 14:51 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Yikes, that sounds difficult | 14:51 |
| markmcclain | mestery: I believe enikanorov__ has some code for it | 14:51 |
| dougwig | i made most of the tweaks suggested in gerrit from the previous patchset, but there was some disagreement in there still. | 14:51 |
| mestery | enikanorov__: You do? Great! | 14:51 |
| dougwig | he does. | 14:51 |
| markmcclain | mestery: it should not be a blocker though | 14:51 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Agreed | 14:51 |
| mestery | Nice. | 14:51 |
| mestery | OK, so lets focus on getting the spec merged and in parallel start looking at the code | 14:51 |
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| mestery | Any flavors questions from folks? | 14:52 |
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| dougwig | i believe the code review was abandoned, so i can cherry-pick, fix bitrot, and re-submit this week. | 14:52 |
| enikanorov__ | folks | 14:52 |
| enikanorov__ | just breserve the migration ID and i'm fine with any code | 14:52 |
| mestery | dougwig: Nice, work with enikanorov__ though | 14:52 |
| enikanorov__ | *preserve | 14:52 |
| mestery | enikanorov__: Ack | 14:53 |
| enikanorov__ | ;) | 14:53 |
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| dougwig | enikanorov__: i was going to preserve your git commit in its entirety. i'll coordinate with you. | 14:53 |
| mestery | #action dougwig to resurrect the flavors code | 14:53 |
| mestery | Thanks dougwig and enikanorov__! | 14:53 |
| mestery | OK, moving along now. | 14:53 |
| mestery | #topic Migration to pecan | 14:53 |
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| mestery | bobmel: You put this on the agenda I believe. markmcclain, comments? | 14:53 |
| markmcclain | first I hate resource attribute extensions :) | 14:54 |
| bobmel | mestery: Yes, I'd just like to understand the steps etc | 14:54 |
| bobmel | so if you could outline how this will happen, it'd be great | 14:54 |
| markmcclain | so I've been working on the spec and poc code in parallel | 14:54 |
| markmcclain | mainly because I needed to validated some of the design details in the spec | 14:55 |
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| markmcclain | my plan is to publish both this week and then work through them with everyone in SLC | 14:55 |
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| markmcclain | we should be able to parallelize a good bit of the work | 14:56 |
| blogan | markmcclain: regarding extensions, is thie plan to change extension loading, or have it working the same as before but only with pecan? | 14:56 |
| markmcclain | blogan: extension loading will change | 14:56 |
| blogan | markmcclain: ah okay, ill be looking forward to your spec then | 14:57 |
| markmcclain | mainly because we're changing the contract of how extensions interact with the core plugin | 14:57 |
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| blogan | not calling the core_plugin directly? | 14:57 |
| markmcclain | blogan: actually you can still call it directly | 14:57 |
| bobmel | markmcclain: but the plugins will mostly remain unchanged? | 14:57 |
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| markmcclain | but also removing the need to sub class is to influence behaviors | 14:58 |
| markmcclain | bobmel: long term the plugins will dramatically change | 14:58 |
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| markmcclain | bobmel: the mixin model gets in the way and we should be using more composition | 14:59 |
| blogan | +1000 | 14:59 |
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| dougwig | not that blogan has a strong opinion or anything. | 14:59 |
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| blogan | lol | 14:59 |
| markmcclain | bobmel: we'll have shims for existing code, but encourage everyone to switch as rapidly as possible | 14:59 |
| mestery | lol | 14:59 |
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| bobmel | markmcclain: ok, I see. Sounds like a reasonable phased approach | 15:00 |
| markmcclain | another change is that policy will be enforced on the core plugin vs api layer | 15:00 |
| markmcclain | same with quotas | 15:00 |
| mestery | We've reached time folks | 15:00 |
| mestery | Thanks for coming this week! | 15:00 |
| mestery | LEts continue the discussion in channel if needed. | 15:00 |
| lukasa_work | Thanks all! | 15:00 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 2 15:00:38 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| blogan | bye | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-12-02-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| markmcclain | bye | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-12-02-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| jlibosva | bye | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-12-02-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
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| ChuckC | o/ | 15:00 |
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| marios | o/ | 15:00 |
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| n0ano | #startmeeting gantt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 2 15:01:04 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| n0ano | Anyone here to talk scheduler? | 15:01 |
| lxsli | o/ | 15:01 |
| edleafe | \o | 15:01 |
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| jaypipes | o/ | 15:01 |
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| PaulMurray | hi | 15:02 |
| bauzas | \o | 15:02 |
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| lxsli | ccccombo breaker | 15:02 |
| jaypipes | :) | 15:02 |
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| n0ano | note I actually got the time right this week, hopefully it's the start of a trend | 15:02 |
| n0ano | anyway... | 15:02 |
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| bauzas | yey! | 15:02 |
| jaypipes | yay, me too! :) | 15:02 |
| n0ano | #topic forklift status | 15:02 |
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| jaypipes | n0ano: ok, so some biggish news... | 15:03 |
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| n0ano | baited breath | 15:03 |
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| jaypipes | n0ano: got agreement from danpb to merge his get_available_resource() blueprint into my resource-objects blueprint. | 15:03 |
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| jaypipes | n0ano: so I pulled his blueprint from the Gantt/kilo wiki page. | 15:03 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: will you have time to work on ? :) | 15:04 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: I know that you're quite also committed to the NUMA objects stuff :) | 15:04 |
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| jaypipes | n0ano: me, sahid, and ndipanov made a lot of progress on objectifying nova/virt/hardware.py last week and this week. | 15:04 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: well, it's a dependent requirement | 15:04 |
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| n0ano | jaypipes, implication being we control out destiny a little better, right? | 15:05 |
| n0ano | s/out/our | 15:05 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: something that is also relevant to your detach service work: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138236/ | 15:05 |
| jaypipes | n0ano: yes. | 15:05 |
| jaypipes | n0ano: and will allow the NUMA pinning/huge page folks to make progress without any dependencies on our own work. | 15:05 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: this review is already provided on my own patch series | 15:05 |
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| n0ano | jaypipes, to be clear, that means the separate BP goes away and we just have one BP to cover both topics, right? | 15:06 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: that was just part of a week work :) | 15:06 |
| jaypipes | n0ano: correct. | 15:06 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: I think we need to discuss really, because I made one week to provide this so I don't want you to spend 1 week too :) | 15:06 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: your BP was to detach the service from the compute node, not to make the scheduler use objects... | 15:06 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I'm just rebasing my work and you'll see | 15:07 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: in order to do the detach service work, I needed to do this | 15:07 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: I actually provided the new patch series now | 15:08 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: because I fixed the last Jenkins issues | 15:09 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138294/ | 15:09 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: your patch series seems to me to take on a lot more than detaching service from the cmopute node | 15:09 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: that's needed because we need to | 15:10 |
| bauzas | 1/ keep the service_id field | 15:10 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: part of the reason I did my patch was to make an incremental thing that did not need any DB changes or anything... | 15:10 |
| bauzas | 2/ provide another way to get the service info | 15:10 |
| bauzas | 3/ provide live data migrations | 15:10 |
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| bauzas | so I had to change all the calls to the objects side | 15:10 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I really don't see why. | 15:11 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: we can't remove the service_id field | 15:11 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: all my patch does is make the host manager use ComputeNodeList.get_all() instead of db.compute_node_get_all(), and fixes the unit tests. | 15:11 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: in the DB | 15:11 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: my patch doesn't touch service ID. | 15:11 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I also needed to keep the compute['service'] dict | 15:12 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: so I changed the way to get it by using the object field | 15:12 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: anyway, read my patch series, and I hope you'll understand | 15:13 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I'll review your own too | 15:13 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: please look at my patch... I don't see any reason it cannot go in before your series. it doesn't touch the schema of compute node nor does it change the service relationship. it just fixes the host manager to call the objects instead of boiling th eocean. | 15:13 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: yeah agreed | 15:13 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I will review all of yours this morning. it's my top priority. | 15:13 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: I'm not saying we couldn't do that earlier | 15:13 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: but when I worked on it last week, there was no patch on it | 15:13 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: so I did the job | 15:13 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: and I can see that Jenkins is still unhappy with your patch | 15:14 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: but I'm seeing that your patch series does it backwards... i.e. it changes the compute node structure and *then* changes the host manager to use obejcts. | 15:14 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: so, I'm just saying that I don't want that both of us spend 1 week for doing this | 15:14 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: is that frankly a problem ? | 15:14 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I will review your patch series this morning and let you know. | 15:15 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: again, it's not a matter of doing this or not, just a matter of making sure we're not doing the same things both of us | 15:15 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: because your time and mine are precious :) | 15:16 |
| jaypipes | agreed. | 15:16 |
| ndipanov | bauzas, jaypipes for us late arrivers can you re-ling the patch | 15:16 |
| ndipanov | link * | 15:16 |
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| jaypipes | ok, let's move on. we can disucss the object/detach stuff on the patch seriers. | 15:16 |
| jaypipes | ndipanov: you haven't missed anything yet | 15:16 |
| n0ano | hopefully, the point of BPs was to identify what is being done so we don't have overlap, is there a process gap we need to address? | 15:16 |
| bauzas | ndipanov: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138294/ about objectifying db.compute_node_get and get_all | 15:16 |
| bauzas | ndipanov: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138236/1 about objectifying call in HostManager | 15:17 |
| ndipanov | mega cool bauzas | 15:17 |
| bauzas | ndipanov: the former is part of a series for detach-service BP | 15:17 |
| ndipanov | although the last one is red like me after a morning on the beach in June | 15:17 |
| * ndipanov too white | 15:18 | |
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| bauzas | ndipanov: the latter is separate | 15:18 |
| jaypipes | n0ano: the point of the blueprints is to work on the stuff that is detailed in the blueprint, yes. | 15:18 |
| n0ano | well, if we want to move on, I wanted to look at our tracking page https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gantt/kilo#Tasks | 15:18 |
| ndipanov | bauzas, ok will review these | 15:18 |
| bauzas | ndipanov: thanks | 15:19 |
| n0ano | I'm still concerned that, out of 8 major items, only 2 have been approved and K1 deadline is soon | 15:19 |
| bauzas | n0ano: I provided the links to both the K2 specs for me in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities-tracking | 15:19 |
| bauzas | n0ano: I'm waiting reviews on them | 15:20 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: https://review.openstack.org/89893 has -2 from johnthetubaguy but we googled hangout last week and we agreed on another way to do this | 15:20 |
| bauzas | n0ano: I'll also provide all the alternatives in the 'alternatives' section, so reviewers could +1/-1 them | 15:21 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: that's planned to do so by EOW | 15:21 |
| n0ano | looking at the updated table it looks a little better, the CPU pinning is the only K1 item that hasn't been accepted yet | 15:21 |
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| jaypipes | n0ano: CPU pinning is only on the table because it has a dependency on the objectification cleanups that we've been working on that are not tracked by any blueprints. | 15:23 |
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| n0ano | in re: accepted BPs, now the question is how are the patches to implement them, PaulMurray & bauzas can you comment on the first two | 15:23 |
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| PaulMurray | n0ano, shall I go first | 15:24 |
| n0ano | PaulMurray, go for it | 15:24 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: sure | 15:25 |
| PaulMurray | n0ano, there are two points really - we have a patch to get pci_stats (becomeing pci_device_stats) in to compute node | 15:25 |
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| PaulMurray | and then some refactoring tests going on | 15:25 |
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| PaulMurray | I can see that only two patches are there for that the moment, but there is more lined up | 15:26 |
| PaulMurray | that would be blocked by those | 15:26 |
| PaulMurray | so we will get those up shortly | 15:26 |
| PaulMurray | the main point about pci_device_stats is to decide how to list tags | 15:26 |
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| PaulMurray | the patch gives a first stab, but will change now I have some feedback from yunhong | 15:27 |
| PaulMurray | so if we can get those through I can get the rest lined up | 15:27 |
| n0ano | so sounds like you are getting input from the PCI people, that's good | 15:27 |
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| PaulMurray | lxsli, is doing tests and will help with more as well | 15:28 |
| PaulMurray | n0ano, that's about it for that one | 15:28 |
| n0ano | PaulMurray, cool, sounds like good progress and line of sight for K1, tnx | 15:28 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: I had no time for reviews the last days, but I'll provide some comments, sure | 15:29 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, thanks | 15:29 |
| n0ano | bauzas, anything else to say about detach service from compute node? | 15:29 |
| bauzas | n0ano: well, it's on-going, because I had to refactor all my stuff last week by using objects | 15:30 |
| bauzas | n0ano: so, that still requires 3 patches or so in the series (atm, there 8 patches) | 15:30 |
| bauzas | n0ano: the direction is quite OK, I just need to provide the last changesd | 15:30 |
| n0ano | hmm, I notice that our tracking page says this is K1 but the BP now says K2, which is correct | 15:30 |
| bauzas | n0ano: the first patches are there for review anywauy | 15:30 |
| bauzas | n0ano: why so ? | 15:31 |
| bauzas | n0ano: you mean detach-service ? | 15:31 |
| bauzas | n0ano: it's targeted for K1 | 15:31 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, yeah, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/detach-service-from-computenode | 15:31 |
| bauzas | n0ano: mmm, will discuss with johnthetubaguy about this | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: whats up? | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: anyone can move the milestone on the BP, if thats what you want | 15:32 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: nothing really important now, just a wrong milestone for a BP $ | 15:32 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: oh ok, will do then | 15:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I will probably move all BPs that are not NeedsCodeReview into kilo-2 very soon though | 15:32 |
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| * n0ano wonders who changed it and if there's a history to launchpad | 15:33 | |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: well, it seems the Launchpad bot did do his wrk | 15:33 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: refresh the page | 15:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | :S | 15:34 |
| n0ano | now the BP is back to K1 | 15:34 |
| bauzas | n0ano: I did that | 15:34 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: and I changed to 'Needs Code Review' | 15:34 |
| * n0ano has trouble keeping up | 15:34 | |
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| n0ano | bauzas, implication being that all the patches to implement it are posted? | 15:35 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: that's incremental | 15:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: you are correct, thats what it should mean | 15:35 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: then, moving it back to "in progress" | 15:36 |
| * bauzas likes doing paperwork :) | 15:36 | |
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| n0ano | I'm more concerned about doing the work but some paperwok is helpful | 15:36 |
| n0ano | anyway, good progress, no matter what the status there are patches that need reviewing | 15:37 |
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| * n0ano watches the wind blow over my trach can :-( | 15:38 | |
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| n0ano | I think we've dealt with the current dashboad == everyone do reviews | 15:39 |
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| n0ano | #topic opens | 15:39 |
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| n0ano | anything new anyone wants to raise today? | 15:39 |
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| bauzas | sh*it, I quickly fixed some merge problems, and I made 2 errors in my series | 15:39 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, NP, fix it quickly and we won't even notice :-) | 15:40 |
| bauzas | as said ndipanov, I need some solar cream for my red skin | 15:40 |
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| n0ano | well, not hearing anything | 15:41 |
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| n0ano | I say we all get back to work | 15:41 |
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| bauzas | crickets? | 15:41 |
| n0ano | tnx everyone, talk to you again next week | 15:41 |
| bauzas | thanks | 15:41 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 15:41 |
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| edleafe | thx | 15:42 |
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| primeministerp | #startmeeting hyper-v | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 2 16:03:30 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is primeministerp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | hey guys sorry for the delay | 16:03 |
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| alexpilotti | hello there! | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: morning | 16:03 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: blueprints? | 16:04 |
| alexpilotti | here we go | 16:04 |
| alexpilotti | # link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-rescue | 16:04 |
| alexpilotti | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-test-refactoring | 16:04 |
| alexpilotti | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-vnic-hot-plug | 16:04 |
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| alexpilotti | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-generation-2-vms | 16:05 |
| alexpilotti | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-remotefx | 16:05 |
| alexpilotti | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/keypair-x509-certificates | 16:05 |
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| alexpilotti | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/libvirt-smbfs-volume-support | 16:06 |
| alexpilotti | plus | 16:06 |
| alexpilotti | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-ovs-vif | 16:06 |
| alexpilotti | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyperv-serial-ports | 16:07 |
| alexpilotti | the last tow are waiting for approval | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | ok | 16:07 |
| alexpilotti | in Nova hopefully this Thu | 16:07 |
| alexpilotti | and #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/hyper-v-ovs-agent neutron | 16:08 |
| alexpilotti | so all the code for the BPs is up (mostly since a while) | 16:09 |
| alexpilotti | today the the test refactoring merged (lots of code!) | 16:10 |
| primeministerp | great | 16:10 |
| primeministerp | that is going to help | 16:10 |
| alexpilotti | we hope for SMB Hyper-V to land soon | 16:10 |
| primeministerp | and I'm assuming we | 16:10 |
| alexpilotti | the rest is waiting | 16:11 |
| primeministerp | are now in the cycle of trying to get everything reviewed | 16:11 |
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| alexpilotti | yep, we review each other’s patches of course constantly | 16:11 |
| primeministerp | I don't have much too add today | 16:11 |
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| alexpilotti | waiting for the Nova core folks now | 16:11 |
| primeministerp | we're short handed through the holidays and trying to get bodies to help stand up equipment | 16:12 |
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| primeministerp | so we'll end early today | 16:12 |
| alexpilotti | yes, not much to add on my side | 16:12 |
| primeministerp | ok | 16:12 |
| primeministerp | #endmeeting | 16:12 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 2 16:12:41 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2014/hyper_v.2014-12-02-16.03.html | 16:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2014/hyper_v.2014-12-02-16.03.txt | 16:12 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2014/hyper_v.2014-12-02-16.03.log.html | 16:12 |
| alexpilotti | we have no new bugs and the rest is well triaged and under review | 16:12 |
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| rvasilets__ | Hi | 17:00 |
| msdubov_ | #startmeeting Rally | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 2 17:00:28 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is msdubov_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 17:00 |
| msdubov_ | rvasilets__, Hi | 17:00 |
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| msdubov_ | olkonami, oanufriev, amaretskiy, hi there! | 17:00 |
| amaretskiy | hi | 17:00 |
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| olkonami | hi | 17:01 |
| oanufriev | hi | 17:01 |
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| msdubov_ | Okay let's begin | 17:02 |
| msdubov_ | #topic HTML report improvements | 17:02 |
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| msdubov_ | amaretskiy, You've accomplished a pretty nice work this week, could you please share your results? | 17:03 |
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| amaretskiy | yes, one sec... | 17:03 |
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| amaretskiy | here is a patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136435/ | 17:03 |
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| amaretskiy | and that is a result http://logs.openstack.org/35/136435/6/check/gate-rally-dsvm-rally/9709a33/rally-plot/results.html.gz | 17:04 |
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| amaretskiy | ther ear etwo main points within the patch | 17:04 |
| amaretskiy | 1) browser buttons back/forward now works | 17:04 |
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| amaretskiy | 2) there is an overview page with brief data | 17:05 |
| amaretskiy | and there is a third one | 17:05 |
| amaretskiy | 3) input file is available now | 17:05 |
| amaretskiy | eom :) | 17:06 |
| msdubov_ | amaretskiy, Looks great. What are the next steps in this direction? | 17:07 |
| amaretskiy | 1) there are some minor bugs to fix | 17:07 |
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| amaretskiy | 2) aggregate errors (do not repeat the same) | 17:07 |
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| amaretskiy | 3) tooltips | 17:07 |
| amaretskiy | 4) show docstrings from the scenario classes | 17:08 |
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| amaretskiy | eom | 17:08 |
| msdubov_ | Ok, nice. So you're going to show scenario docstrings? Just descriptions? | 17:09 |
| amaretskiy | I'm going to store scenario method docstring (as-is, I think) in the database, and include them to the report | 17:09 |
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| msdubov_ | amaretskiy, Hm, why do you need a database? Can't you query for this docstring directly when you're generating HTML? | 17:10 |
| amaretskiy | that seems to be a wrong way | 17:10 |
| amaretskiy | we planning to generate HTML from json data | 17:11 |
| amaretskiy | so we should not "scan" sources fo rsome additional data | 17:11 |
| amaretskiy | database is good place, that was discussed with boris-42 | 17:12 |
| msdubov_ | amaretskiy, Ok, clear. | 17:12 |
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| msdubov_ | Let's move further | 17:12 |
| msdubov_ | #topic CLI improvements | 17:12 |
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| msdubov_ | So we've had a couple of nice CLI improvements over the past week | 17:13 |
| msdubov_ | Lets start with those for the "rally info" command | 17:13 |
| msdubov_ | rvasilets__, Could you please tell us what you've implemented in "rally info"? | 17:13 |
| rvasilets__ | Yes. I have improved rally info when the substitution is non-ambiguous | 17:14 |
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| rvasilets__ | Lets we look at the example | 17:14 |
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| rvasilets__ | When the user inputs his query just with a couple of typos, however, there is typically only one substitution suggested by the system: | 17:14 |
| rvasilets__ | Like | 17:15 |
| rvasilets__ | rally info find NovaServers.boot_and_delete_servers | 17:15 |
| rvasilets__ | rally output to us | 17:15 |
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| rvasilets__ | Failed to find any docs for query: 'NovaServers.boot_and_delete_servers' Did you mean one of these? NovaServers.boot_and_delete_server | 17:15 |
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| rvasilets__ | The idea is that in this case, when there is only one possible substitution, we could perform this substitution automatically, whithout requesting the user to do so. In the example above, Rally could response exactly as if the user typed the correct query (which is NovaServers.boot_and_delete_server, without“s” at the end): | 17:16 |
| rvasilets__ | rally info find NovaServers.boot_and_delete_servers | 17:16 |
| rvasilets__ | NovaServers.boot_and_delete_server (benchmark scenario). | 17:16 |
| rvasilets__ | Tests booting and then deleting an image. | 17:16 |
| rvasilets__ | Link to the patch you can look here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137666/ | 17:16 |
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| msdubov_ | rvasilets__, fine! | 17:17 |
| rvasilets__ | Thx | 17:17 |
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| msdubov_ | So there have been a couple improvements from my side as well | 17:17 |
| msdubov_ | rally info is now much easier to navigate for a newbie | 17:17 |
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| msdubov_ | e.g. you type "rally info SLA" and it outputs what are SLA in rally, a usage sample, and also shows how you could query informations about specific SLA criteria | 17:18 |
| msdubov_ | and so on | 17:18 |
| msdubov_ | also several cosmetic changes like nice tables | 17:18 |
| msdubov_ | Beyond "rally info", there has been some work on "rally task list" | 17:18 |
| msdubov_ | oanufriev, Could you share your results? | 17:18 |
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| oanufriev | so | 17:19 |
| oanufriev | there was a patchset merged today | 17:19 |
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| oanufriev | that adds ability to filter task by status and/or deployment during listing | 17:20 |
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| msdubov_ | oanufriev, Could you provide an example? | 17:20 |
| oanufriev | so... you can call: rally task list --status finished --deployment [name or uuid] | 17:21 |
| oanufriev | by default task list will display only tasks from 'active' deployment | 17:21 |
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| oanufriev | to list tasks from all deployments you should pass --all-deploymentrs parameter | 17:22 |
| msdubov_ | oanufriev, Cool! | 17:22 |
| msdubov_ | Okay so overall one of our priorites during the past week was the improved user experience | 17:22 |
| msdubov_ | Hope we'll achieve new results in this direction this week | 17:22 |
| msdubov_ | #topic "@deprecated" decorator | 17:23 |
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| msdubov_ | olkonami, Could you please tell us what's the goal of this work and how's your progress in it? | 17:23 |
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| olkonami | the goal is to have tool to mark scenari, runner, context and rsa as deprecated | 17:25 |
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| msdubov_ | olkonami, We are looking forward to seeing a patch from you! | 17:29 |
| msdubov_ | olkonami, Please post your work even if it's not working yet | 17:29 |
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| msdubov_ | olkonami, So that we can help you with that | 17:29 |
| olkonami | ok | 17:29 |
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| msdubov_ | Let's cover yet another important topic | 17:30 |
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| msdubov_ | #topic Network context | 17:30 |
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| msdubov_ | amaretskiy, Everybody is waiting it with unpatience :) How are things going with Network context? | 17:31 |
| amaretskiy | msdubov_ that is the very patch I'm working on :) | 17:31 |
| amaretskiy | I think the candidate to review can be submitted this week | 17:31 |
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| amaretskiy | but we should not hurry | 17:32 |
| amaretskiy | there are a lot of work with this patch | 17:32 |
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| amaretskiy | there are several points related to this patch: | 17:33 |
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| amaretskiy | 1) rebase current code to master - there are new changes in context (by boris-42) | 17:34 |
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| amaretskiy | 2) generate CIDRs in process and thread safe manner | 17:34 |
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| amaretskiy | ant other points | 17:34 |
| amaretskiy | eom | 17:35 |
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| msdubov_ | amaretskiy, Thanks! | 17:35 |
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| msdubov_ | I believe we've discussed the most vital points so far | 17:35 |
| msdubov_ | #topic Free discussion | 17:36 |
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| msdubov_ | Any questions? | 17:36 |
| oanufriev | no | 17:36 |
| amaretskiy | no | 17:37 |
| rvasilets__ | no | 17:37 |
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| msdubov_ | amaretskiy, oanufriev, olkonami, rvasilets__ Thanks for participating! | 17:38 |
| msdubov_ | #endmeeting | 17:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 2 17:38:41 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-12-02-17.00.html | 17:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-12-02-17.00.txt | 17:38 |
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| morganfainberg | soooo | 17:59 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, ayoung, bknudson, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, nkinder, lloydm, shrekuma, ksavich, hrybacki, rharwood, grantbow, vdreamarkitex, raildo, rodrigods, amakarov, ajayaa, hogepodge, breton, lhcheng, nonameentername, samuelms, htruta https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting#Main_Agenda | 18:00 |
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| lbragstad | o/ | 18:00 |
| dstanek | o/ | 18:00 |
| ayoung | w000t! | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | it's that time of the week again! | 18:00 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 18:00 |
| marekd | hey | 18:00 |
| stevemar | o/ | 18:00 |
| henrynash | the time we live for | 18:00 |
| marekd | (need to leave earler today :( ) | 18:00 |
| gyee_ | \o | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | this. is. sparta^wkeystone | 18:01 |
| lhcheng | o/ | 18:01 |
| topol | o/ | 18:01 |
| stevemar | marekd, no life, just openstack all day long | 18:01 |
| dolphm | o/ not at my desk. pizza truck is slow. | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, hehe | 18:01 |
| boris-42 | ayoung: hey=) | 18:01 |
| marekd | stevemar: and night | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, enjoy the pizza | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | ok so, here we go | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | #startmeeting Keystone | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 2 18:01:30 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is morganfainberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Keystone)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Kilo-1, December 18th | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo-1, December 18th (Meeting topic: Keystone)" | 18:01 | |
| morganfainberg | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/kilo-1 | 18:01 |
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| morganfainberg | please let me know if anything is missing. i'm going to start marking bugs/etc as blockers (see dolph's link in the -keystone channel) | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | #link https://gist.github.com/dolph/651c6a1748f69637abd0 | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | also please let me know if anything is slipping to K2. | 18:02 |
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| rodrigods | just seeing HM there makes me happy :) | 18:03 |
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| morganfainberg | i need a +a on the merge patch, but it's otherwise ready to go to master rodrigods | 18:03 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, +a from whom? | 18:03 |
| rodrigods | morganfainberg, great, rebasing it right now | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, a core. | 18:03 |
| ayoung | link? | 18:03 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138186/ | 18:04 |
| ayoung | done | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | i can (of course) do it, but prefer to not +A my own patch. even as simple as this one is. | 18:04 |
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| ayoung | I had looked at it before, and it had 2 other +2s.... | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Review Specs | 18:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Specs (Meeting topic: Keystone)" | 18:05 | |
| morganfainberg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/keystone-specs,n,z | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | we have been good about this | 18:05 |
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| morganfainberg | keep it up! | 18:05 |
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| rodrigods | the policy enforcement library spec, will address stevemar comments as soon as I finish the HM stuff today | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | k2 is the spec approval deadline, if anyone is working on specs, make sure they're in by k2 (earlier than k2 is better) | 18:05 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:05 |
| stevemar | eek! | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | rodrigods, ping me when you're ready on that i'll help with the launchpad etc side of things | 18:06 |
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| ayoung | K2 is when? Last week of January? | 18:06 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, Feb 5 | 18:06 |
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| morganfainberg | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 18:06 |
| stevemar | oh before k2 ENDS, that's better | 18:06 |
| stevemar | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 18:06 |
| jamielennox | rodrigods: i've got some things i want to discuss regarding policy enforcement, i had a ML thread a few days ago which covers most of it | 18:06 |
| rodrigods | morganfainberg, thank you | 18:06 |
| rodrigods | ayoung, february | 18:06 |
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| morganfainberg | #info K2 is spec approval deadline without an explicit exception. | 18:07 |
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| rodrigods | jamielennox, I saw it, didn't comment because the oslo.context bits, which I'm not familiar yet | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | that is part of the reason we're having the mid-cycle 2 weeks prior to K2. | 18:07 |
| jamielennox | rodrigods: yea, need to talk to dhellmann and figure that part out | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | so we can discuss any last minute things. | 18:07 |
| rodrigods | jamielennox, maybe we should include the details in the policy enforcement library spec? | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | i should have more details on exact venue soon™ | 18:07 |
| dolphm | =) | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | but dates and city are confirmed | 18:08 |
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| topol | morganfainberg Yay!!! | 18:08 |
| jamielennox | rodrigods: it shouldn't matter to the spec i think, just need to figure out an interface for this auth object | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | (will not be changing short of texas falling into the ocean) | 18:08 |
| rodrigods | jamielennox, hmm | 18:08 |
| dstanek | i shall book a flight then | 18:08 |
| dolphm | we have two venue choices downtown, just trying to figure out which is best | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | and last i heard it was only california that was going to fall into the ocean. | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | :P | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | both Geekdom? | 18:09 |
| dstanek | if it falls into the ocean i'll book a boat | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ++ :) | 18:09 |
| dolphm | yes | 18:09 |
| topol | alamo basement? | 18:09 |
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| dolphm | Different buildings though | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, so downtown for sure? any hotel info (e.g. should i send them to you?) | 18:09 |
| dstanek | dolphm: so Valencia is probably still a good bet for either location, right? | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | i can update the post recommending a hotel / send to ML. | 18:09 |
| topol | they had a nice bar | 18:09 |
| ayoung | Can we just camp out in a vacant part of Rackspaces shopping mall? | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | and add the RSVP form | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | actually | 18:10 |
| ayoung | seriously, though, are we targetting the same hotel as last time? | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | I have yet to find a *vacant* part... | 18:10 |
| ayoung | Valencia? | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Midcycle | 18:10 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: no hotel info yet, sorry | 18:11 |
| dolphm | but yes, downtown looks to be for sure | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | #action Dolphm to determine final venue, downtown San Antonio is the place. | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | #info Hotel info pending. | 18:11 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: if i can get a group code, which seems challenging this go round | 18:11 |
| joesavak | #hotelinfo pending | 18:11 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, hopefully we can. | 18:12 |
| * ayoung calls dibs on joesavak 's couch | 18:12 | |
| stevemar | isn't that couch not in san-antonio? | 18:12 |
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| joesavak | ayoung - it's in austin | 18:12 |
| morganfainberg | eh, a couple hour drive | 18:12 |
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| * ayoung also calls shotgun | 18:12 | |
| stevemar | i call dibs on lbragstad's couch | 18:13 |
| topol | ayoung, lets take dolphm to Red Lobster. Its just as good as what we got in Boston | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | my dogs love company. | 18:13 |
| dolphm | lol | 18:13 |
| ayoung | topol, go for it....I think I'm busy that nioght | 18:13 |
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| morganfainberg | topol, bait and switch... tried and true tecnique.. | 18:13 |
| * ayoung has vowed not to bother with lobster outside of the northeast | 18:13 | |
| morganfainberg | ok. moving on. | 18:14 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, have you priced tickets? I'm guessing it is not really an option, but might as well look | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | i'll get the real RSVP link up as soon as we have hotel confirmed for a discount block or not. | 18:14 |
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| morganfainberg | #topic Next Week Meeting | 18:14 |
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| morganfainberg | I will be unavailable (meeting with folks in Austin, tx) | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | i need someone to chair this meeting *or* we can skip. | 18:15 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: no, leaving the mid-cycle, would prefer to put the budget in getting to summit | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | do we have anything on the agenda for next weeek? | 18:15 |
| dolphm | #notme | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | similar, will need somene to cover the cross-project meeting as 2100utc | 18:16 |
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| ayoung | spec reviews! | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad, no agenda yet. | 18:16 |
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| stevemar | sounds like lbragstad wants to do it | 18:16 |
| henrynash | sadly I can’t make next either | 18:16 |
| topol | we could reuse the hour for spec reviews (honor system) | 18:16 |
| bknudson1 | jamielennox: realize we get more done at the mid-cycle than the summit | 18:16 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson1, that may be the case, but it's more important to have the cores @ the summit. | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | if we have to pick one. | 18:16 |
| * lbragstad rolls around under the bus. | 18:17 | |
| dstanek | joesavak: ++ | 18:17 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, price the ticket. It might not be either/or | 18:17 |
| topol | run faster next time lbragstad | 18:17 |
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| dstanek | lbragstad: it takes skill to drive the bus that runs you over | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, lbragstad, bknudson1, one of you cover the crossproject meeting? | 18:17 |
| jamielennox | bknudson1: yea, and i always regret missing it | 18:17 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: ok, | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | i'm more concerned about having someone there. | 18:17 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: sure. | 18:17 |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek, thanks. | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | 2100utc in #openstack-meeting | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | dstanek: so, that'd be stevemar? | 18:17 |
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| morganfainberg | #action dstanek covering cross-project meeting on dec 9 | 18:18 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: is there a specific agent we are pushing? or just be there to make sure things don't go wrong? | 18:18 |
| stevemar | haha | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, just be there in-case keystone questioons come up | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | should be minimal if *anything* | 18:18 |
| joesavak | then reply "ask morgan" | 18:18 |
| gyee_ | and take the blames if you have to | 18:19 |
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| * morganfainberg looks to see if the bus can swerve for joesavak next. | 18:19 | |
| morganfainberg | ;) | 18:19 |
| joesavak | :) | 18:19 |
| topol | or "morgan said no problem" | 18:19 |
| morganfainberg | topol, ............ | 18:19 |
| joesavak | 2 buses for topol | 18:19 |
| dstanek | gyee_: i'll just say 'Morgan disagrees' if they try to place blame | 18:19 |
| morganfainberg | ok, thats it for today, so... | 18:19 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Open Agenda | 18:19 |
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| * ayoung has so many irons on the fire, does not know which to pick from | 18:20 | |
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| ayoung | HMT ir priority | 18:20 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg, rodigods: maybe one of you just wants to lay out teh plan for merging HM? | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, theire all specs! | 18:20 |
| ayoung | HMT is priority | 18:20 |
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| gyee_ | is anyong actively working on the segregating the service admin spec? | 18:21 |
| rodrigods | yeah, working in the rebase right now | 18:21 |
| gyee_ | if not, I'll write it up | 18:21 |
| ayoung | do we want to enforce the rule that, for the root project in a domain, projectid == domainid? | 18:21 |
| rodrigods | in the last patch already :) | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, master merge going now. then it's between you and rodrigods to order split vs the next patches for HMT | 18:21 |
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| morganfainberg | henrynash, unless you need me to step in and make a call, which i can. | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, but i figure you two know the respective pain of rebaseing both patches better. | 18:22 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: might that be why jenkins is failing everyone for keystone? | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | I was wondering about that... | 18:22 |
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| morganfainberg | henrynash, hm? jenkins is failing? | 18:22 |
| bknudson1 | jenkins is failing? | 18:22 |
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| ayoung | So to test if a given project is a domain, we do if project.id == project.domain_id: | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | oh. there is a nasty bug | 18:22 |
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| lbragstad | my XML removal patch passed all tempest things... | 18:22 |
| henrynash | morgainfainberg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130954/ | 18:22 |
| jamielennox | so i have a review for keystoneclient that is somewhat breaking compatibility that i want to do anyway: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138228/ | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | https://bugs.launchpad.net/hacking/+bug/1398472 | 18:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1398472 in oslo.concurrency "H302 isn't handling oslo_concurrency namespace change" [Undecided,New] | 18:22 |
| henrynash | ahh | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | that hit nova, ironic, and us for sure. | 18:23 |
| bknudson1 | should have expected gate failures with the release of all the olso libs | 18:23 |
| henrynash | glad it wasn’t us, then! | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, yeah fairly certain it wasn't us. | 18:23 |
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| morganfainberg | henrynash, http://logs.openstack.org/54/130954/28/check/gate-keystone-python27/211eedb/console.html#_2014-12-02_17_19_32_856 | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | morganfainberg: do we need a change for disabling h302? | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad, i *think* it's a bigger issue. | 18:25 |
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| morganfainberg | lbragstad, oslotest *cant* install afaick | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | afaict* | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | so, nothing we can do, not even getting there. | 18:25 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: how is it breaking? | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | oslo and infra are working on it henrynash, lbragstad | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138462/2 | 18:26 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: great | 18:26 |
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| lbragstad | looks like nova tried getting around it with ignoring h302 | 18:26 |
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| lbragstad | and pinning the o-c requirements, | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad, different issue it looks like | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | yeah | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, not sure how that is breaking things. | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, erm breaking compat. | 18:27 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, jamielennox 's change now does not allow things that would have snuck throuhg in the past | 18:28 |
| bknudson1 | if it's breaking backwards compatibility then seems like there should be a test broken or a docstring update... | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | ah | 18:28 |
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| morganfainberg | i don't think we can do that jamielennox | 18:28 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: if it is breaking, the commit message should at least detail that | 18:28 |
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| ayoung | bknudson1, it was never something we explicitly allowed, just didn't forbid | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | we might *need* to just capture the kwarg and warn "you're doing it wrong, don't do this"? | 18:28 |
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| morganfainberg | or i agree with dolphm, at least reference it in the commit. | 18:29 |
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| bknudson1 | but the code didn't honor service_type or interface before? | 18:29 |
| ayoung | so passing management_url to a client create will now break. | 18:29 |
| morganfainberg | i'm inclined to say don't break that. | 18:29 |
| bknudson1 | oh, it's passing kwargs on when they were ignored before? | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | oh. oh i see. | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | uhg. | 18:30 |
| jamielennox | bknudson1, morganfainberg: right, so we used to just take **kwargs and ignore everything we didn't understand - i've no idea why we every thought that would be a good idea | 18:30 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, related note - openstack-sdk vs incompatible client releases at the project meeting at 2100utc. | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, if you want to join [i know, time difference is hard] | 18:31 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: right - but management_url is not a valid kwarg - it didn't used to do anything it just got ignroed | 18:31 |
| jamielennox | which is part of the reason i think we should do it anyway | 18:31 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, what happened before the adapter code went in? | 18:32 |
| * morganfainberg dislikes **kwargs for this very reason. | 18:32 | |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: management_url would get ignored | 18:32 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, the only arg I really need is auth | 18:32 |
| bknudson1 | what new args are supported now? | 18:32 |
| ayoung | could we make that explicit, and ignore the rest for now? | 18:32 |
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| bknudson1 | (trying to figure out why we need to make this change? | 18:32 |
| ayoung | maybe some sort of warning | 18:32 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: right, but i wrote this so that i could add parameters to adapter and have those automatically supported by all clients | 18:33 |
| ayoung | bknudson1, OK, here is why | 18:33 |
| jamielennox | i would like to have keystoneclient work the same way rather than have to add a new param to httpclient.__init__ every time i add one to adapter | 18:33 |
| ayoung | in Horizon, we need to have the KC session be a global object (well, need is stoo string a word...it should be global) | 18:33 |
| bknudson1 | ok, it's auth= | 18:33 |
| ayoung | the client is request scoped, and the auth plugin is scoped to the Horizon users session | 18:33 |
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| * ayoung is aware that naing is a little funky | 18:34 | |
| jamielennox | bknudson1: auth= is the one that is a problem for now | 18:34 |
| ayoung | naing | 18:34 |
| ayoung | naming | 18:34 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, are there other parameters we need? | 18:34 |
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| bknudson1 | ayoung: why were you passing an extra parameter before? | 18:34 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: the list is growing: https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/blob/master/keystoneclient/adapter.py#L29 | 18:34 |
| ayoung | bknudson1, trial and error, I think. | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson1, because he could and it didn't complain. | 18:35 |
| jamielennox | i would like to allow specifying interface to start getting us off using admin | 18:35 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:35 |
| jamielennox | endpoint_override and retries etc would be useful, not hugely required, but i want to standardize this | 18:35 |
| jamielennox | i would ideally like to have a similar set of get_options() on the adapter so we can do a generic client.load_from_conf_options(CONF) | 18:36 |
| gyee_ | timing? | 18:36 |
| bknudson1 | the argument could be made that maybe nobody's taking advantage of the ignored paramters but then we have an example already where somebody was using it. | 18:36 |
| jamielennox | gyee_: timing can/should be extracted from the requests.Response | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, have we had a release where we ignored the params? | 18:36 |
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| morganfainberg | a release of ksc that is | 18:37 |
| bknudson1 | there could be another argument use_kwargs=False | 18:37 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: i'm pretty sure | 18:37 |
| bknudson1 | that they have to pass to use the new behavior | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | if we have, i'm going to say we can't break this. | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | you can either do what bknudson1 ^ just said, or will need to find another way to avoid breaking this. | 18:37 |
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| jamielennox | damn it was me: https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/commit/1263bd7c3a8ccded3cef7c799a2f8c744fb79aa2 | 18:38 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, I hate when I find I've done that | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, commented on the review with a -1. | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | "WHO WROTE THIS CR... oh it was me... " | 18:39 |
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| bknudson1 | there's not too many others changing keystoneclient | 18:40 |
| jamielennox | just want to scrap this client, managing compatibility everywhere is just getting too hard | 18:40 |
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| bknudson1 | let's start on python-keystoneclient2 | 18:40 |
| gyee_ | heh | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson1, we'll be discussing this topic in the cross-meeting proj...i mean cross-project meeting | 18:41 |
| jamielennox | bknudson1: i've been trying not to but i think that might be the way to go | 18:41 |
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| gyee_ | what happen to common sdk? | 18:42 |
| jamielennox | gyee_: it's still around, and they're still working on it | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | gyee_, that is part of the topic | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | for the meeting | 18:42 |
| gyee_ | ah | 18:42 |
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| morganfainberg | swift is asking the same question(s) we are. | 18:42 |
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| jamielennox | i'd like to say we're but i haven't done much for a while now | 18:43 |
| gyee_ | morganfainberg, common sdk and client makes a lot of sense | 18:43 |
| jamielennox | gyee_: they do - which is part of why i've held of ksc2 | 18:43 |
| bknudson1 | when the common sdk was proposed the idea was to have a higher-level api | 18:43 |
| lbragstad | FYI, https://bugs.launchpad.net/hacking/+bug/1398472 should be fixed with hacking 0.9.4 | 18:43 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1398472 in oslo.concurrency "H302 isn't handling oslo_concurrency namespace change" [Undecided,New] | 18:43 |
| mordred | all clients make me angry | 18:44 |
| jamielennox | bknudson1: right, so it provides the higher level, but it will contain the lower level | 18:44 |
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| jamielennox | i just don't know if it's going to provide things like our CMS wrappers and such or whether there will always be a need for a ksc in parallel | 18:44 |
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| jamielennox | mordred: ++ | 18:45 |
| bknudson1 | I wouldn't expect an SDK to include CMS wrappers. | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | mordred, was wondering when you'd step in on the topic of clients ;) | 18:45 |
| * mordred just wants to use the cloud ... | 18:46 | |
| stevemar | just do these 18 things first | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, this one wierd thing. | 18:46 |
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| gyee_ | isn't barbican folks working on the crypto API which can replace the CMS wrappers? | 18:46 |
| jamielennox | i tried to add sessions to the glance client, need to build up some will first | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, cloud deployers hate him. | 18:46 |
| ayoung | termie had a really sweet approach as I recall | 18:46 |
| stevemar | and then you're good! | 18:46 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: termie essentially proposed a rewrite to OSC if i recall, not so much a client pattern | 18:47 |
| gyee_ | I was under the impression that we can use the python crypto APIs soon | 18:47 |
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| ayoung | https://github.com/termie/ocl | 18:47 |
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| bknudson1 | I think the issue that mordred points out is he really doesn't want to deal with the REST API, but wants to work at a higher level | 18:47 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson1, and that is completely reasonabler | 18:47 |
| topol | let me guess ocl is awesome and about 15% complete | 18:47 |
| ayoung | 12% | 18:48 |
| ayoung | topol, it was a long time ago | 18:48 |
| ayoung | Commits on Feb 18, 2014 | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | and a lot of the code termie did around hong-kong summit time. | 18:49 |
| bknudson1 | so for admins and devs the low-level apis are necessary but then there's users that just want to boot an instance... openstack.boot_my_instance() | 18:49 |
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| bknudson1 | and maybe that's supposed to be heat. | 18:49 |
| mordred | https://github.com/emonty/shade | 18:49 |
| ayoung | I was thinking solum, actually | 18:49 |
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| gyee_ | bknudson1, but we still have to do the dirty work of setting up the session upfront | 18:50 |
| jamielennox | bknudson1: right - so the problem with sdk and i assume the topic of the meeting is what levels of support will they give, and so far the answer has been everything | 18:50 |
| ayoung | Start by finding anything in Horizon that is busnesslogic-y and pull it out to its own service | 18:50 |
| * mordred does not need heat or solum | 18:50 | |
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| * mordred just wants to be able to use the cloud and not know things about how it was deployed | 18:50 | |
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| topol | mordred, come on... they are Buy one get one free :-) | 18:51 |
| mordred | topol: :) | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | mordred, i'd argue that is what *heat* should have been. but that ship has long since sailed. | 18:51 |
| bknudson1 | I'm sick of hipster deployers! | 18:51 |
| jamielennox | mordred may have a problem with openstack rather than just the clients | 18:51 |
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| ayoung | mordred, everything sucks if you work with it long enough | 18:51 |
| mordred | jamielennox: I may very well have a problem with openstack | 18:51 |
| ayoung | then you find a replacement and it is all shiny | 18:51 |
| ayoung | then you work with it and find it sucks, just in different ways | 18:52 |
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| ayoung | OK, I think we' | 18:52 |
| ayoung | re done | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, *something something* go library that doesn't handle regions *something something* | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | ok we can continue this in openstack-keystone, jamielennox come to the cross-project meeting if you can. | 18:53 |
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| morganfainberg | i floated the idea we'd do a incompatible ksc, but lets see where SDK is officially | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | and the incompat ksc would be to play massive cleanup so it would be easier to layer things like what mordred wants w/o the old compatibility cruft | 18:53 |
| bknudson1 | what's in the incompatible ksc? | 18:53 |
| gyee_ | I was hoping *common* will get us maturity, better UX, and consistency | 18:53 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: ok, yea - i doubt i'll make it to that meeting - if i don't someone mention that keystoneclient is officially a POS and we're torn between just starting again with our fancy new common layer or waiting for sdk | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson1, drop cli, drop anything we don't need, and fix the interfaces we messedup/are carrying massive tech debt to make sure we don't break grizzly clouds | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson1, etc | 18:54 |
| jamielennox | bknudson1: i wouldn't expect to change the general library layout | 18:54 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson1, basically, draw a line in the sand, this is incompatible going forward we shall call it tim. | 18:54 |
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| jamielennox | client.resource.action etc is fine, can argue the points | 18:55 |
| jamielennox | but in general most of the CRUD stuff would be at least similar - just hopefully sane | 18:55 |
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| morganfainberg | it lets us take what we have and break the stuff we normally couldn't break. | 18:56 |
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| jamielennox | like not taking all arbitrary **kwargs and assuming that they're query params | 18:56 |
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| morganfainberg | thats the point of it. | 18:56 |
| gyee_ | jamielennox, but CRUD stuff is not the problem | 18:56 |
| bknudson1 | is openstacksdk going in the right direction? | 18:56 |
| jamielennox | gyee_: right | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson1, that is part of what we're looking to find out in the meeting today | 18:56 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson1, because i'm just as happy to say "use SDK" | 18:56 |
| bknudson1 | I don't think anything's stopping us today from developing a higher-level API on top of existing keystoneclient APIs | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | it's a question of where do we focus. | 18:56 |
| mordred | morganfainberg: I'd be perfectly happy with the existence of a ksc2 as long as it supports the rest apis of the clouds I use | 18:57 |
| bknudson1 | but if we need something that works cross-project we need a new api | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson1, some of it is really painful due to how the clients are architected. | 18:57 |
| mordred | just for the record | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | mordred, ++ | 18:57 |
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| jamielennox | gyee_: but it would be a good time to do additional things like - "hey create is not supported on that resource so lets not expose the function in client" | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson1, and a lot of ick is in keystoneclient | 18:57 |
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| gyee_ | UX is the problem | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | by no fault of anyone just in the name of compatibility. same reason windows has lots of bloat. | 18:57 |
| gyee_ | inconsistent params | 18:57 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee_, and that is hard to fix w/o breaking people. | 18:58 |
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| jamielennox | so a big question i have is naming the base layer | 18:58 |
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| gyee_ | morganfainberg, that's why we have the deprecation lifecycle :) | 18:58 |
| jamielennox | because one of the first things required will be openstack_base_client.Session() | 18:58 |
| bknudson1 | we seem to have enough problems getting rid of the v2 api much less getting rid of the old api | 18:58 |
| jamielennox | bknudson1: let's face it though - it will be me that has to do the ksc -> ksc2 transition for everyone | 18:59 |
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| morganfainberg | ok we're out of time. | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | please move to openstack-keystone | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 2 18:59:34 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-12-02-18.01.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-12-02-18.01.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-12-02-18.01.log.html | 18:59 |
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| clarkb | o/ | 19:00 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:00 |
| jeblair | hi infra folks | 19:00 |
| fungi | hey-o | 19:00 |
| anteaya | o/ | 19:00 |
| jesusaurus | o/ | 19:00 |
| gema_ | o/ | 19:00 |
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| nibalizer | o/ | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | \o\ | 19:00 |
| mmedvede | o/ | 19:00 |
| AJaeger_ | o/ | 19:00 |
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| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 2 19:01:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 19:01 |
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| GheRivero | o/ | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #link last meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-11-25-19.01.html | 19:01 |
| ianw | hello | 19:01 |
| jhesketh | Morning | 19:01 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:02 |
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| * fungi dons the hat of shame again in advance | 19:02 | |
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| jeblair | good point | 19:02 |
| jeblair | actually, i think we should leave the hat of shame on the shelf this meeting | 19:02 |
| jeblair | since for many of us, we have had 2 working days since the last one | 19:02 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:02 |
| jeblair | and also, we have the infra-manual sprint going on. | 19:02 |
| jeblair | right now in fact | 19:03 |
| fungi | which have been spent sprinting hopefully | 19:03 |
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| fungi | that | 19:03 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:03 |
| jedimike | o/ | 19:03 |
| AJaeger_ | ++ | 19:03 |
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| jeblair | so let's not spend too much time making excuses for ourselves, and instead catch up on what we think might be useful to talk about now, then get back to sprinting | 19:03 |
| timrc | o/ | 19:03 |
| fungi | i worked out what's needed for the openstack-ci elastic-recheck bit with mtreinish and jogo at least | 19:04 |
| rcarrillocruz | helo helo | 19:04 |
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| fungi | now i just need to find time after the sprint to do it | 19:04 |
| cody-somerville | o/ | 19:04 |
| yolanda | hi | 19:04 |
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| anteaya | fungi: yay | 19:04 |
| jeblair | fungi: cool beans; need anyone else to do anything for that? | 19:04 |
| jeblair | fungi: i note that infra-manual will need a patch :) | 19:05 |
| jeblair | (it says to file bugs in openstack-ci) | 19:05 |
| jeblair | (for gate failures) | 19:05 |
| clarkb | jeblair: post sprint we should stab at nodepool on trusty again | 19:05 |
| fungi | yeah, and we can crowdsource adding the openstack-gate project to existing bugs mentioned in the elastic-recheck quwry set i guess | 19:05 |
| AJaeger_ | jeblair: see the etherpad - we need to change for storyboard in several places | 19:05 |
| clarkb | I am just not sure what next steps should be | 19:05 |
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| clarkb | the other thing I plan to do is make third party test accounts self service this week | 19:05 |
| jeblair | AJaeger_: which etherpad? link? | 19:06 |
| fungi | clarkb: next steps are add that project to relevant bugs, and then i can do a final import and close bug tracking for openstack-ci | 19:06 |
| clarkb | fungi: would it help if I drafted up the email announcement for that? | 19:06 |
| anteaya | clarkb: yay | 19:06 |
| AJaeger_ | jeblair: the sprint etherpad | 19:06 |
| fungi | clarkb: i was going to, but only because i didn't want you stuck with all the work for that | 19:06 |
| anteaya | clarkb: I was going to but you go ahead, and I'll review | 19:06 |
| clarkb | you volunteered but you keep volunteering for things | 19:06 |
| AJaeger_ | jeblair: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-manual-sprint-December-2014 | 19:06 |
| clarkb | anteaya: oh maybe you should write it. you understand the audience best | 19:06 |
| anteaya | we all want to do it | 19:06 |
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| fungi | oh, right, and then anteaya volunteered after i did | 19:07 |
| clarkb | anteaya: assuming you are ok with doing it | 19:07 |
| anteaya | I will take on creating the ehterpad | 19:07 |
| jeblair | AJaeger_: ah, okay this isn't actually a change to storyboard | 19:07 |
| anteaya | and invite you to help me fix it | 19:07 |
| jeblair | AJaeger_: this is a new lp project to collect elastic-recheck gate bugs | 19:07 |
| clarkb | anteaya: sounds good | 19:07 |
| fungi | #action draft messaging to communicate the new third-party account process | 19:07 |
| fungi | er | 19:07 |
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| fungi | #undo | 19:07 |
| jeblair | #undo | 19:07 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x3c34bd0> | 19:07 |
| fungi | i think the chair has to | 19:07 |
| fungi | yep | 19:07 |
| AJaeger_ | jeblair: ah, ok | 19:07 |
| fungi | #action anteaya draft messaging to communicate the new third-party account process | 19:07 |
| anteaya | thanks | 19:07 |
| fungi | #action fungi nibalizer get pip and github modules split out | 19:07 |
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| clarkb | #action clarkb script new gerrit group creation for self service third party accounts | 19:08 |
| jeblair | clarkb: did you propose the ci docs change? | 19:08 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I did | 19:08 |
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| fungi | #action fungi close openstack-ci and add openstack-gate to e-r bugs | 19:08 |
| jeblair | cool | 19:08 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137240/ | 19:08 |
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| jeblair | okay, so i think that's it for this topic? | 19:08 |
| nibalizer | didn't we split pip and github? | 19:09 |
| fungi | yep | 19:09 |
| nibalizer | okay woot | 19:09 |
| fungi | nibalizer: did we finish that? | 19:09 |
| fungi | i was yep'ing to jeblair | 19:09 |
| * jeblair is holding so we can resolve this | 19:09 | |
| nibalizer | yep we did | 19:09 |
| fungi | okay, cool beans | 19:09 |
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| fungi | on with the show | 19:10 |
| jeblair | #roll 2 pop | 19:10 |
| jeblair | oh well. next meetbot i write is totally going to support that. :) | 19:10 |
| fungi | hah | 19:10 |
| jeblair | #topic Priority Specs | 19:10 |
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| clarkb | I tried to review a bunch of the specs last weke as things got quiet | 19:11 |
| clarkb | so you may have comments from me | 19:11 |
| fungi | i fell down on the job | 19:11 |
| jeblair | last week we highlighted a storyboard spec that got so much useful feedback it's in wip. it seems that was really useful! | 19:11 |
| jeblair | i want to bring this one to our attention though: | 19:11 |
| jeblair | #link Storyboard streaming API: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105252/ | 19:11 |
| yolanda | jeblair, what's status of nodepool remote building spec? | 19:11 |
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| jeblair | that storyboard one is not on the critical path, but i do think that general infra folks should pay attention to it, as we may end up writing/maintaining some tools that use it | 19:12 |
| anteaya | small nit, on that spec: any idea what the topic means? | 19:12 |
| fungi | yolanda: looks like it's got positive reviews but needs more core reviewers | 19:13 |
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| clarkb | also remote building is honestly very low on the nodepool priority list for me | 19:13 |
| clarkb | there are a ton of issues with nodepool right now | 19:13 |
| jeblair | yolanda: unknown, but it's not a priority; i'll swing back around to it soon. | 19:13 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yeah | 19:13 |
| clarkb | and I think fixing them is >> new features | 19:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jeblair, /me going to review specs tomorrow | 19:13 |
| cody-somerville | clarkb: What are the issues with nodepool? We might be experiencing them too and would love to help. | 19:13 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i think it's related to the dib work, so i'd consider it related to our ongoing nodepool-dib priority, but not yet. | 19:14 |
| fungi | bug fixes are more important than features. no argument there | 19:14 |
| clarkb | cody-somerville: gear times out on our new nodepool host | 19:14 |
| clarkb | cody-somerville: this causes the allocation algorithm to default to min ready only | 19:14 |
| fungi | might be ubuntu trusty specific, but not positive yet | 19:14 |
| clarkb | cody-somerville: nodepool cannot build dib and snapshot images for teh same label | 19:14 |
| jeblair | might be network related | 19:14 |
| jeblair | might be a gear bug | 19:15 |
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| clarkb | cody-somerville: nodepool cannot build dib images for rackspace | 19:15 |
| fungi | there's a veritable grab-bag of potential causes | 19:15 |
| jeblair | hoping to dig more into that later in the week | 19:15 |
| cody-somerville | we see this issue where instances get put in delete state in nodepool but apparently nothing has happened on cloud side then all of sudden boom they all finally get deleted | 19:15 |
| clarkb | the big one is the gear thing and jeblair has been driving most of that debugging | 19:15 |
| jeblair | back to this topic though | 19:15 |
| jeblair | Migrate to Zanata: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133222/ | 19:15 |
| cody-somerville | and it results in nothing moving. no new nodes getting created. no jobs getting ran | 19:15 |
| jeblair | i believe this is a priority we agreed on at the summit | 19:16 |
| jeblair | so we should probably add it to our list | 19:16 |
| pleia2 | so AJaeger_ and I are pretty much on the same page with this spec, made some updates based on clarkb's comments, just need some more eyeballs | 19:16 |
| fungi | i agree the zanata migration is a top priority. i'll try to make time for the spec and any related help needed | 19:16 |
| clarkb | yup the spec looked good to me | 19:16 |
| clarkb | I need to rereview after the update | 19:16 |
| pleia2 | thanks | 19:16 |
| anteaya | pleia2: is that another nick for AJaeger_ in the spec under assignees? | 19:16 |
| jeblair | so let's try to get that reviewed this week and maybe merged by next meeting | 19:17 |
| AJaeger_ | anteaya: jaegerandi? That's my launchpad username | 19:17 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: launchpad | 19:17 |
| clarkb | jeblair: +1 | 19:17 |
| anteaya | AJaeger_: ah | 19:17 |
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| fungi | ooh, gerrit shames your trailing whitespace with red coloring | 19:18 |
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| pleia2 | tsk, I'll fix in next revision | 19:18 |
| fungi | don't want to disappoint the whitespace gods | 19:18 |
| rcarrillocruz | lulz | 19:18 |
| jeblair | does anyone have anything in the priority efforts section of the agenda that would be useful to discuss now, or should we punt that until next week? | 19:18 |
| jhesketh | Yep | 19:19 |
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| jeblair | #topic Priority Efforts (Swift logs) | 19:19 |
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| asselin | i don't have anything new since last week | 19:19 |
| jhesketh | So the next step for swift logs is to approve https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133172/ which I'm blocking on. Then it's some more testing and changing existing jobs over | 19:19 |
| fungi | yeah, my stuff is pretty badly stagnant there for the week | 19:19 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133172/ | 19:19 |
| jhesketh | It shouldn't be anything controversial, just more iterating | 19:20 |
| clarkb | well we have to restart all of the jenkinses first | 19:20 |
| jhesketh | Ah, there is that then :-( | 19:20 |
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| jeblair | if we don't, we'll probably break jjb updates, yeah? | 19:20 |
| clarkb | jhesketh: ping me tomorrow late PST which should be midday ish for you and I can do it | 19:20 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ya | 19:20 |
| jeblair | sdague: did you want to discuss that change? | 19:20 |
| jhesketh | clarkb: will do, thanks | 19:21 |
| fungi | oh, right, need the plugin loaded | 19:21 |
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| jhesketh | I'm not sure what it breaks without the update to be honest. Better safe though | 19:21 |
| fungi | jhesketh: i'll +2 that change but you might want to wip it so nobody accidentally approves | 19:21 |
| jhesketh | fungi: noted, thanks | 19:22 |
| jeblair | it has many +2s now. :) | 19:22 |
| fungi | since it sounds like you plan to be around for it anyway | 19:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh, already 4 ;) | 19:22 |
| fungi | indeed it does | 19:22 |
| fungi | hah | 19:22 |
| jeblair | #topic Schedule next project renames | 19:22 |
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| fungi | there are several of these pending | 19:23 |
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| * SergeyLukjanov volunteering to prepare and hopefully make the renaming | 19:23 | |
| fungi | i'm available all weekend or friday if we want to do a friday maintenance | 19:23 |
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| jeblair | i'm similarly around | 19:24 |
| fungi | we have two projects moving from stackforge into openstack namespace and an infra project being renamed | 19:24 |
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| zaro | o/ | 19:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | zaro, hi | 19:25 |
| jeblair | SergeyLukjanov: istr you wanted to do more of these to learn more... | 19:25 |
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| jeblair | SergeyLukjanov: should we schedule it around you to make sure you can do a lot of the work? | 19:25 |
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| clarkb | this weekend is good for me | 19:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jeblair, this weekend is ok | 19:26 |
| jeblair | SergeyLukjanov: what time saturday would be good for you? | 19:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | US morning | 19:26 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | before 21:00 UTC | 19:26 |
| jeblair | how is 1600 utc? | 19:27 |
| fungi | that works fine for me | 19:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it's works great for me | 19:27 |
| jeblair | SergeyLukjanov: want to send the announcement email too? :) | 19:27 |
| fungi | i'm happy to take point with SergeyLukjanov for the benefit od pst'ers for whom that's 8am local | 19:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jeblair, + | 19:28 |
| clarkb | 1600 is actually fine for me | 19:28 |
| clarkb | see everyone then sounds like | 19:28 |
| jeblair | #action SergeyLukjanov send email announcing project moves for saturday 1600utc | 19:28 |
| jeblair | clarkb: ya :) | 19:28 |
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| jeblair | #topic Docker(Hub) Spec (nibalizer) | 19:29 |
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| * SergeyLukjanov trying to make more stuff on infra, starting with review, hopefully will find some non-critical area to work on in background | 19:29 | |
| nibalizer | so sdague pointed out in a review that we're thowing a lot of docker stuff at the wall | 19:29 |
| * mordred just threw some at the wall this weekend | 19:29 | |
| jeblair | we are? | 19:29 |
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| nibalizer | and maybe specing our docker efforts would make it clearer what we're doing and where to collaborate | 19:30 |
| mordred | jeblair: I think that's a broader we | 19:30 |
| nibalizer | at the least some people want to test in it, mordred wants a docker hub, and i want to run livegrep in it | 19:30 |
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| nibalizer | so maybe this is just an announcement that if you want to do stuff with docker, add it to the spec or leave a comment and I will | 19:31 |
| fungi | i clearly am not paying attention to reviews | 19:31 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: this sounds like 3 very different things | 19:31 |
| fungi | and yeah, a general "all things docker kthx" spec seems counter-productive | 19:31 |
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| mordred | yah - you can also add the kolla folks who want to deploy openstack in it to the mix | 19:31 |
| jeblair | so let's take those 3 one at a time real quick: | 19:32 |
| nibalizer | ya thats a good point | 19:32 |
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| clarkb | I am already -1.9 for deployinglivegrep in it | 19:32 |
| mordred | for the most part, one can imagine that we're going to need the ability to build and publish docker images in order for any of those things to be workable in our systems | 19:32 |
| clarkb | we have a way of deploying stuff. it doesn't involve an extra set of machinery | 19:32 |
| nibalizer | here is the review that started me thinking | 19:32 |
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| nibalizer | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132222 | 19:32 |
| jeblair | mordred: i'm going to take the floor | 19:32 |
| mordred | jeblair: go for it | 19:32 |
| jeblair | first topic: testing openstack in docker | 19:32 |
| sdague | nibalizer: did you mean sdake ? I don't think I said that | 19:33 |
| nibalizer | ya i might have confused you | 19:33 |
| jeblair | this is a big project. people have tried to do parts of it. it hasn't really gotten off the ground yet. see dox, etc. | 19:33 |
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| jeblair | mordred: i think probably if people want to work on that, they should talk to you, see dox, maybe jd too? | 19:33 |
| fungi | this sounds like something which needs a working poc before it needs an implementation spec | 19:34 |
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| jeblair | fungi: yep. | 19:34 |
| mordred | jeblair: yes | 19:34 |
| clarkb | also nothing prevents testing openstack in docker today aiui | 19:34 |
| clarkb | anyone can just do it | 19:34 |
| fungi | well, modulo figuring out what needs figuring out. it isn't blocked on infra work at any rate | 19:35 |
| jeblair | okay, so i think that's the way forward on that -- collaborate on working poc, then start infra-spec and possibly even openstack-spec | 19:35 |
| clarkb | fungi: right, you can have jobs that run docker. jayf and jroll do this | 19:35 |
| jeblair | next subtopic: docker hub | 19:35 |
| jroll | :) | 19:35 |
| jeblair | this seems straightforward to me -- i think that we should help people publish stuff there like the other places we publish stuff | 19:35 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:35 |
| * nibalizer nods | 19:35 | |
| jeblair | i'm not even sure we really need a spec for it, but it wouldn't hurt. it should be short. | 19:36 |
| mordred | open question - should we also run our own dockerhub? | 19:36 |
| fungi | this is the docker community's index/clearing house for making docker images discoverable? | 19:36 |
| anteaya | are they open source? | 19:36 |
| mordred | fungi: yes. it's their pypi | 19:36 |
| mordred | anteaya: yes | 19:36 |
| anteaya | thanks | 19:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ++, me likes an idea to have a docker hub | 19:36 |
| jeblair | mordred: where are on getting access to the openstack account? | 19:36 |
| jeblair | where are we | 19:36 |
| mordred | I believe we have it | 19:36 |
| jroll | mordred: I would love something like docker hub with a better story for e.g. signed images | 19:36 |
| jeblair | neato, is it in passwords.gpg? | 19:36 |
| mordred | I also have an infra account, fwiw | 19:36 |
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| mordred | unsure. let me go verify all of that | 19:36 |
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| jeblair | #action mordred ensure dockerhub credentials are recorded in appropriate infra places | 19:37 |
| mordred | it _may_ be a group that my user was added to the owner status of | 19:37 |
| mordred | which means we may need an infra _account_ | 19:37 |
| mordred | that we add asa user, same as on pypi | 19:37 |
| mordred | but I'll learn that info | 19:37 |
| jeblair | mordred: okay, regardless, it sounds like that's probably something that's blocked on you | 19:37 |
| mordred | yup | 19:37 |
| jeblair | but it seems like it should be straightforward to resolve | 19:37 |
| jeblair | is Sergey Skripnick on irc? | 19:38 |
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| jeblair | it looks like this is the relevant review: | 19:38 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132222/ | 19:38 |
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| jeblair | is someone interested in eithr writing a spec or just doing the work to put dockerhub creds on the pypi slave? | 19:40 |
| nibalizer | i can do that | 19:40 |
| nibalizer | same as the puppetforge stuff I just did so should be easy | 19:40 |
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| jeblair | #action nibalizer make it so we can upload to dockerhub | 19:41 |
| jeblair | okay, last of the trio: using docker to run stuff in infra (eg, livegrep) | 19:41 |
| jeblair | fair warning, this may be a hard sell for some of us :) | 19:41 |
| nibalizer | sure | 19:41 |
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| nibalizer | and i didn't mean to imply that the decision had been made | 19:41 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: what's the advantage? | 19:42 |
| nibalizer | i've spent some free time exploring what that would look like | 19:42 |
| nibalizer | not saying its the right or best way to do it | 19:42 |
| nibalizer | the advantage with a tool like livegrep is that there is a compliation phase | 19:42 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: thank you for doing that | 19:42 |
| clarkb | so I feel pretty strongly about this. We have our abstraction layer in VMs. It has worked for a variety of deployments including deploying things from source. I am unsure why something like livegrep would be special enough to require a completely new deployment mechanism | 19:42 |
| nibalizer | and i think that sets it apart from much of the python stuff | 19:42 |
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| nibalizer | since you have these artificats afterwords which are anoying | 19:42 |
| clarkb | one that would require touching almost all of our tooling used to deploy things | 19:43 |
| nibalizer | so you could build rpms/debs from the artificats | 19:43 |
| nibalizer | but we dont have a pipleline for that right now | 19:43 |
| nibalizer | so its not docker for contanierization, its docker for leightweight packaging | 19:43 |
| jeblair | i think this is probably the point at which we traditionally say we should build debs, but yeah, no one has gotten around to building that pipeline. | 19:43 |
| mordred | right. to me docker is becoming like distro packaging for apps except without the pain of packaging for distros or maintaining repos | 19:43 |
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| jeblair | and the last person that volunteered to that is off building docker containers right now. ;) | 19:43 |
| mordred | :) | 19:43 |
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| mordred | turns out they do what I want without the insane amounts of pain | 19:44 |
| clarkb | mordred: nibalizer does that mean you will go and deploy gerrit, jenkins, etherpad, et al this way? | 19:44 |
| clarkb | because we have trouble with their packaging too | 19:44 |
| mordred | clarkb: I'm not 100% sold on the idea - still beating it with a stick | 19:44 |
| clarkb | (trying to understand why livegrep prompts this and not say gerrit which is probably a million times harder to deal with) | 19:44 |
| nibalizer | so etherpad, im a big fan of putting the dumb node app in the docker | 19:44 |
| mordred | but I'd say that if we get to the point where it feels better | 19:44 |
| nibalizer | its worked twice for me, and very well | 19:44 |
| mordred | then I see no reason not to do it for the other things that meet the pattern too | 19:44 |
| mordred | but like I said, I'm still beating things with sticks | 19:45 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: well aren't there gerrit packages? | 19:45 |
| nibalizer | no one is packaging livegrep | 19:45 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: no | 19:45 |
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| clarkb | its the same problem | 19:45 |
| yolanda | i think docker could be a very good way for simple test such as python, pep8 ... without spinning up a vm | 19:45 |
| nibalizer | oh ew | 19:45 |
| clarkb | but no one has said "run gerrit in docker" | 19:45 |
| mordred | clarkb: it's been in my brain | 19:45 |
| clarkb | which is why I am so skeptical | 19:45 |
| mordred | clarkb: I just haven't gotten there yet | 19:45 |
| nibalizer | is gerrit java? | 19:45 |
| mordred | nibalizer: yes | 19:45 |
| yolanda | i did some approach with lxc containers for that, and was flying | 19:45 |
| nibalizer | becuase a fatjar gives you somewhat the same thing | 19:45 |
| fungi | i'm obviously missing something significant, but i don't see why it's any easier to deploy this with docker than without docker | 19:46 |
| clarkb | fungi: it isn't | 19:46 |
| clarkb | and thats what I am trying to get at | 19:46 |
| mordred | clarkb: so I'm much more positive on the topic - but not far enough along that I think I recommend anything | 19:46 |
| clarkb | I think the reasn no one has said gerrit in docker is it doesn't help with the pain | 19:46 |
| nibalizer | ya i think the rest of the meeting will continue | 19:46 |
| clarkb | it just moves it | 19:46 |
| nibalizer | er can continue | 19:46 |
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| nibalizer | i can explore this livegrep/docker thing | 19:46 |
| nibalizer | and if its something i think is mature enought to try to sell you all on it | 19:46 |
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| nibalizer | i will try | 19:46 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: even after the recent cve? | 19:46 |
| nibalizer | i haven't seen this cve | 19:47 |
| fungi | clarkb: even after all the upcoming cves ;) | 19:47 |
| clarkb | well this one was particularly bad from the "mature" standpoint | 19:47 |
| clarkb | anyone could craft a dockerhub image that pwed you | 19:47 |
| fungi | linux containers are still not fully-baked for secure separation | 19:47 |
| nibalizer | well i meant the maturity of my approach to using docker w/ livegrep | 19:47 |
| mordred | neither are debian packages | 19:47 |
| jeblair | fungi: i think part of the idea is to keep 'building apps' out of puppet. instead of doing that by setting up an apt repo and building our own debs, we build docker containers instead | 19:47 |
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| mordred | you can craft a debian package that will pwn yuo too | 19:48 |
| mordred | jeblair: yes | 19:48 |
| mordred | jeblair: thank you for saying that succinctly :) | 19:48 |
| fungi | agreed. i wonder if dockerhub is as picky about who gets to upload packages as debian is | 19:48 |
| clarkb | mordred: ya the differnce is who can upload to the offical source | 19:48 |
| nibalizer | jeblair: that is the idea | 19:48 |
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| jeblair | fungi: definitely not, it's more like pypi than debian. | 19:48 |
| mordred | clarkb: if you install "emonty/ubuntu" - the onus is on you that you installed something from my repo | 19:48 |
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| fungi | and yes, we can just as easily pip install something which takes over the system | 19:49 |
| mordred | yup | 19:49 |
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| mordred | this is _not_ about adding security | 19:49 |
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| clarkb | anyways I think the conversation should be framed as "should we do gerrit in docker" not livegrep in docker | 19:49 |
| clarkb | because livegrep is easy | 19:49 |
| mordred | it _may_ be about a packaging format | 19:49 |
| clarkb | and if gerrit in docker isn't a win then maybe we shouldn't use it | 19:49 |
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| mordred | clarkb: I agree | 19:49 |
| fungi | okay, so essentially moving our abstraction layer for all the vcsrepo and pip install and npm install and whatever else we do for various services | 19:50 |
| clarkb | fungi: sort of | 19:50 |
| clarkb | fungi: we still need to run all of that somewhere | 19:50 |
| fungi | shift those things into some image-building system and then deploy just images | 19:50 |
| mordred | fungi: yah. essentially, it's like if we decided to make debs of all of those things | 19:50 |
| clarkb | it just happens to be in a docker image build then at deploy time you deploy image | 19:50 |
| clarkb | yup | 19:50 |
| jeblair | okay, i think we can move on now. i think this has been surprisingly productive. :) | 19:50 |
| mordred | fungi: except that instead of bulding debs, we build dockers | 19:50 |
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| jeblair | nibalizer, mordred: thanks :) | 19:51 |
| fungi | i can understand the angle anyway | 19:51 |
| mordred | woot! | 19:51 |
| jeblair | #topic Python 2.6 deprecation | 19:51 |
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| mordred | productive meeting ftw! | 19:51 |
| nibalizer | jeblair: you too | 19:51 |
| fungi | this took a leap forward on monday | 19:51 |
| clarkb | we are basically done until juno is killed | 19:51 |
| jeblair | yeah, this looked timely, so i agenda-jumped to it :) | 19:51 |
| fungi | huge thanks to AJaeger_ for making and keeping up with rebases for the changes to do that step | 19:52 |
| jeblair | and we're at the phase where if stackforge projects want python26, they can add it back | 19:52 |
| fungi | i've seen no real complaints so far, though it's only been a bit over a day | 19:52 |
| fungi | yep | 19:52 |
| jeblair | but when juno is eol, it goes away globally | 19:52 |
| fungi | correct | 19:53 |
| AJaeger_ | very few really want it when asked - they just copied without thinking | 19:53 |
| jeblair | i'll be interested to see how many stackforge projects we remove it from at that point | 19:53 |
| nibalizer | me too | 19:53 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:54 |
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| jeblair | #topic Propose an alternate meeting time more suitable for EMEA engineers (rcarrillocruz) | 19:54 |
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| rcarrillocruz | so | 19:54 |
| rcarrillocruz | i wanted to get a pulse on people's opinion | 19:54 |
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| rcarrillocruz | this meeting is hard to attend for EMEA folks | 19:54 |
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| rcarrillocruz | would be good to have an alternate meeting like some other projects do | 19:55 |
| AJaeger_ | it works great for me from home ;) | 19:55 |
| yolanda | this time is complicated for me as well | 19:55 |
| jeblair | the current time was selected to make it possible for both europe and america to attend | 19:55 |
| ttx | Works for me but then I have meetings before and after that one. | 19:55 |
| fungi | seems like it's a lot harder for apac attendees than emea | 19:55 |
| anteaya | it is great to have jhesketh here | 19:55 |
| jeblair | it's actually one of the most sought-after meeting times for that reason :) | 19:55 |
| ttx | fungi: yes | 19:55 |
| anteaya | and he has to get up at what, 5am? | 19:56 |
| jeblair | but yes, it's hardest for apac | 19:56 |
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| anteaya | jhesketh: what time is it for you? | 19:56 |
| ianw | anteaya: it's 6am meeting time in eastern australia | 19:56 |
| anteaya | okay 6am | 19:56 |
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| ianw | anteaya: it's 5am when daylight savings swizzles | 19:57 |
| nibalizer | some projects do a/b meeting times, not sure how effective that is for them though | 19:57 |
| rcarrillocruz | obv, it's going to be hard a time that is cool for everyone | 19:57 |
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| jeblair | so here's my opinion on the subject -- if we have core contributors who can't attend the meeting, i think we should try to accomodate them (with an alternate time, etc) | 19:57 |
| rcarrillocruz | that's why i suggest a/b meeting times | 19:57 |
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| anteaya | I can never remember which week is a and which is b | 19:57 |
| jeblair | but otherwise, there are meeting logs, and most of us are around irc quite a lot anyway and are happy to do impromptu meetings or even schedule a time to have a conversation on a particular subject | 19:58 |
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| anteaya | I've been missing recent neutron meetings since they switched | 19:58 |
| ianw | fwiw as an .au person i'm happy with this time | 19:58 |
| anteaya | ianw: thanks | 19:58 |
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| jeblair | last time we asked jhesketh about this, he was also okay with this time (at least, for the next few months while dst is in effect :) | 19:58 |
| fungi | if it becomes necessary, i'm more of a fan of the two-meetings-each-week method and let people who want to attend both convey relevant information or skim and discuss the other meeting's most recent minutes | 19:58 |
| rcarrillocruz | ok, since i'm not core i'll stick to meeting logs :-) | 19:58 |
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| anteaya | fungi: thanks, glad you have your input on that one :D | 19:59 |
| jeblair | #topic Potential Zuul mascot/logo feedback (pleia2) | 19:59 |
| clarkb | fungi: a I prefer that to alternating | 19:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Potential Zuul mascot/logo feedback (pleia2) (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:59 | |
| pleia2 | I can just take this to the mailing list for feedback | 19:59 |
| jeblair | #link comments and feedback on Zuul proposal: http://princessleia.com/temp/Zuul-sketch.jpg | 19:59 |
| pleia2 | so, see you there :) | 19:59 |
| anteaya | pleia2: where would the mascot be used? | 19:59 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: slides, documentation page | 20:00 |
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| anteaya | ah okay | 20:00 |
| fungi | cute sketch! | 20:00 |
| pleia2 | similar to where we use diffy | 20:00 |
| ttx | the real zuul is much less friendly! | 20:00 |
| jeblair | thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| anteaya | thanks | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 2 20:00:25 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-12-02-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-12-02-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-12-02-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
| fungi | back to the sprint! | 20:00 |
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| jeblair | yeah, i'm not sure we want to see a picture of the real zuul | 20:00 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 20:00 |
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| mordred | jeblair: there is no dana, only zuul | 20:00 |
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| ttx | Anyone here for the TC meeting ? | 20:01 |
| jeblair | ttx: o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | I know the board meeting was unfortunately scheduled at the same time, so we may miss our dual members | 20:01 |
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| mikal | Yarp | 20:01 |
| annegentle | holla | 20:01 |
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| ttx | russellb, jgriffith, mordred, devananda, vishy, markmcclain, jaypipes, sdague, dhellmann : around ? | 20:01 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 20:01 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:01 |
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| mordred | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | alright, that makes 7 | 20:02 |
| devananda | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 2 20:02:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:02 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 20:02 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee | 20:02 |
| ttx | #topic Leadership process | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Leadership process (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:02 | |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:02 |
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| markmcclain | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/137848 | 20:02 |
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| ttx | This is the process to cover the case where noone self-nominates for a given PTL position | 20:02 |
| anteaya | o/ | 20:03 |
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| ttx | I think it's a sane fallback process | 20:03 |
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| jgriffith | o/ | 20:03 |
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| ttx | Comments on that one ? | 20:03 |
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| jeblair | this looks good, though i think we all know that the actual process will be that mordred nominates himself since he always manages to have changes in every project. ;) | 20:03 |
| sdague | wfm, thanks anteaya and ttx for coming up with something sane | 20:03 |
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| sdague | jeblair: landed changes? | 20:04 |
| jeblair | sdague: usually :) | 20:04 |
| anteaya | any fool can self-nominate | 20:04 |
| mordred | jeblair: :) | 20:04 |
| mordred | anteaya: like jeblair said ... | 20:04 |
| jeblair | anteaya: many of us do! :) | 20:04 |
| anteaya | I'm just tired of losing sleep in case noone does | 20:04 |
| annegentle | lol | 20:04 |
| anteaya | :D | 20:04 |
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| ttx | wow, plenty of votes there | 20:05 |
| mordred | one of these ties I'm going to nominate myself in all of the projects just for fun | 20:05 |
| annegentle | can a PTL hold two projects? | 20:05 |
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| ttx | I guess we can close this one | 20:05 |
| annegentle | we don't specifically say no anywhere, should we? | 20:05 |
| jeblair | jgriffith: wrote: Should there be considerations or plans if a project encounters this more than once? For example program deprecation? | 20:05 |
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| ttx | annegentle: nothing in the proposed process prevents that | 20:05 |
| sdague | annegentle: we don't say they can't | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | mordred: do we have rules about how many projects someone can be PTL for? | 20:05 |
| * dhellmann doesn't want to give anteaya something else to worry about | 20:05 | |
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| jeblair | i think if this issue comes to the tc, it will probably prompt such a discussion | 20:05 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 20:05 |
| jgriffith | jeblair: fair enough | 20:05 |
| sdague | yeh, agreed | 20:06 |
| anteaya | dhellmann: thanks | 20:06 |
| mordred | dhellmann: not to my knowledge - however, who the heck wants to be PTL of more than one thing? | 20:06 |
| jgriffith | just wanted to raise it as an observation | 20:06 |
| annegentle | I sorta said no to Dean Troyer being PTL of Devstack and DevEx at one point | 20:06 |
| jeblair | i don't think we need explicit rules around that at this point. but yeah, i sort of think that would be on the table. | 20:06 |
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| ttx | I'll let you cast votes, but this should get through tomorrow morning | 20:06 |
| mikal | dhellmann: surely that would depend on the size of the projects? | 20:06 |
| dhellmann | mordred: no one who wants that should be ptl of anything | 20:06 |
| annegentle | dhellmann: heh | 20:06 |
| dhellmann | mikal: sure | 20:06 |
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| ttx | ok, next topic ? | 20:07 |
| sdague | honestly, I think that's something that should get left to voting. If people think someone can handle whatever, and they are the only volunteer, so be it | 20:07 |
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| jeblair | sdague: ++, ttx: ++ | 20:07 |
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| ttx | #topic Status on governance.openstack.org | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I don't think we need a rule for that | 20:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status on governance.openstack.org (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:07 | |
| ttx | We now have our governance documents up on http://governance.openstack.org/ | 20:07 |
| ttx | (yay!) | 20:07 |
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| jeblair | hey neato | 20:08 |
| sdague | \o/ | 20:08 |
| ttx | Now I'd like to start deprecating the wiki copies of reference information | 20:08 |
| devananda | woo! | 20:08 |
| ttx | I proposed an updated index page at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138037 | 20:08 |
| jaypipes | ttx: ++ | 20:08 |
| ttx | You can see how the result looks at: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/37/138037/2/check/gate-governance-docs/8566618/doc/build/html/ | 20:08 |
| ttx | (I'm a big fan of this -draft thing) | 20:08 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:08 |
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| annegentle | love docs-draft | 20:08 |
| ttx | Once/If that merges I'll start making sure we don't duplicate information on the wiki itself. I'll add pointers to governance.o.o there, and transform the main pages into meeting organization pages | 20:09 |
| ttx | Comments on the plan ? | 20:09 |
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| jeblair | sounds solid | 20:09 |
| annegentle | sounds right to me | 20:09 |
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| jaypipes | ++ | 20:09 |
| markmcclain | seems reasonable | 20:09 |
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| mikal | Sounds good to me | 20:10 |
| ttx | ok, I'll make it happen | 20:10 |
| ttx | argh, doug -1ed it | 20:10 |
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| ttx | exposing my sphinx newbiness | 20:10 |
| ttx | let me fix that real quick | 20:11 |
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| anteaya | so much to learn with sphinx | 20:11 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I should replace the URL itself with the :doc: thing ? | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yeah -- want me to patch it? | 20:12 |
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| ttx | .. _`Technical Committee Charter`: :doc:`reference/charter` ?? | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | ttx: see the new patch | 20:13 |
| ttx | oh. | 20:13 |
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| annegentle | ah I should've caught that | 20:14 |
| ttx | shiny (if that does the same thing) | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | ttx: even better, it inserts the title automatically for you | 20:14 |
| jeblair | yeah, it should get the title from the doc itself | 20:14 |
| ttx | so please revote on dhellmann improved version :) | 20:14 |
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| ttx | I'll merge it tomorrow morning if it passes votes | 20:14 |
| ttx | dhellmann: thx! | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | ttx: np | 20:15 |
| ttx | #topic Next step in project structure reform: the spec | 20:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Next step in project structure reform: the spec (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:15 | |
| ttx | So... following a number of in-person discussions, I prepared a spec for the project structure reform, and just posted it | 20:15 |
| ttx | The idea of this document is to explain which problem we are trying to solve, and which changes we'd like to get implemented | 20:15 |
| mikal | ttx: wanna add a link to that to the agenda on the wiki? | 20:15 |
| sdague | draft url? | 20:15 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/138504 | 20:15 |
| ttx | mikal: I'm on it | 20:16 |
| jeblair | it has many words! i look forward to reading them | 20:16 |
| devananda | too many words to read now ... | 20:16 |
| mikal | Does it use whereas? | 20:16 |
| ttx | yeah, sorry I couldn't post it early enough | 20:16 |
| ttx | no whereas. Sorry. | 20:16 |
| jeblair | mikal: we can fix that later | 20:16 |
| annegentle | hitherto | 20:16 |
| ttx | You will find that it is much more evolutionary than revolutionary, because we need a seamless transition | 20:17 |
| ttx | Hopefully it will explain what this is all about, and address most of the fear | 20:17 |
| ttx | I mostly followed a spec template, but I proposed it as a TC resolution, since that's where we handle governance changes and how we express the decisions of the TC | 20:17 |
| ttx | That's just the overall plan, if approved it will obviously result in subsequent changes in existing reference documents, and addition of new ones | 20:17 |
| devananda | ttx: ++ evolutionary | 20:17 |
| sdague | fixed the title bit so we should get a nice html draft | 20:18 |
| ttx | Please take the time to read it in the coming week -- we'll discuss it more deeply on the review and at the meeting next week | 20:18 |
| jeblair | ttx: thank you; i think this is a good process | 20:18 |
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| jgriffith | ttx: You write well :) | 20:18 |
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| ttx | The only person I didn't have a discussion about goals and process these past weeks with is Monty | 20:19 |
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| * mordred is in hyper-travel hell currently - sorry about that | 20:19 | |
| devananda | i'm very pleased reading the Problem Description. seems to capture the points well | 20:19 |
| ttx | for the others the content should be less of a surprise | 20:19 |
| annegentle | does it answer all of the jogo survey questions ahead of time? | 20:19 |
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| ttx | since it's mostly a synthesis from the various discussions | 20:19 |
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| ttx | annegentle: I hope so, yes | 20:19 |
| * jogo points out the survey questions were a rough idea and not a fully fleshed out list | 20:20 | |
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| * jogo is excited for more things to read | 20:20 | |
| ttx | yay! | 20:20 |
| ttx | So I don't expect us to discuss it today, and that's all I had for this meeting | 20:20 |
| annegentle | jogo: oh I liked them and want answers :) | 20:20 |
| jogo | annegentle: :) | 20:21 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:21 | |
| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish, jogo, and I would like to move the hacking project into the qa program: https://review.openstack.org/138499 | 20:21 |
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| ttx | hmm, I guess we can fasttrack it | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | ML discussion: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/052025.html | 20:22 |
| mordred | ttx: fasttrack? | 20:22 |
| jogo | ttx: I don't see any reason to fast track it | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | yeah, there's no rush, I just mentioned it because it came up right before the meeting | 20:23 |
| ttx | oh, ok | 20:23 |
| mordred | ah, k | 20:23 |
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| ttx | mordred: I meant, consider it for voting without waiting for the customary 3-business-day wait | 20:23 |
| ttx | but if there is no hurry, we can wait for next week | 20:23 |
| ttx | mordred: are you in Europe after all ? | 20:24 |
| mordred | ttx: yah | 20:24 |
| ttx | mordred: missed you on my Monday morning | 20:24 |
| jeblair | we should rename hacking into openstack/ as well | 20:24 |
| mordred | for the second time in 4 weeks | 20:24 |
| mordred | ttx: oh - well, Monday morning I enjoyed some massive jetlag | 20:24 |
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| jeblair | jogo, dhellmann: can we take that up in #openstack-infra ? | 20:24 |
| sdague | jeblair: so if we are going to do that, we should probably pull devstack and grenade up at the same time? | 20:25 |
| dhellmann | jeblair: the rename? sure | 20:25 |
| sdague | and just kill off openstack-dev? | 20:25 |
| jeblair | sdague: ++ | 20:25 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I don't have an issue with all of those moving or just staying in -dev | 20:25 |
| jogo | jeblair: sure | 20:25 |
| sdague | jeblair: given that a *ton* of people regularly clone devstack, we should probably also talk about that on the main -dev list | 20:25 |
| * markmcclain wonder how badly the 3rd party cI world would break moving devstack | 20:25 | |
| sdague | because that might surprise folks | 20:26 |
| sdague | yeh | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | markmcclain: yeah | 20:26 |
| sdague | but it's a move that we should make | 20:26 |
| jeblair | (i don't want to derail the meeting; happy to continue this here now, or in -infra, or later) | 20:26 |
| jeblair | though i guess this is open discussion :) | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | I'm not strongly opposed to moving them, but I'm curious about the motivation. | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | because it seems like it's bound to cause plenty of trouble | 20:27 |
| jeblair | yeah, devstack + grenade are probably worth some planning | 20:27 |
| sdague | yeh, honestly, maybe it makes sense to wait until we conclude on the goverance discussion, because if we end up with more stuff in openstack, and basically just that namespace, it seems like we'll need a better compat story for a while | 20:28 |
| ttx | We can close early. I expect next week meeting to be a lot more busy. Also some of us are attending a board meeting at the same time. | 20:28 |
| sdague | like if we can double clone to the deprecated space, or 403 | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | sdague: good point | 20:28 |
| jeblair | a lot of third-party folks use our scripts more or less verbatim, eg, devstack-gate. so a lot of them will get the change automatically | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yeah, we can take this discussion to -infra | 20:28 |
| sdague | yeh, let the board members go concentrate there | 20:29 |
| sdague | and the rest of use can figure out why ceilometer is breaking grenade - http://logs.openstack.org/07/138407/1/check/check-grenade-dsvm/5132bee/logs/new/screen-s-proxy.txt.gz | 20:29 |
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| jeblair | i'm not quite as worried about moving stackforge projects to openstack/; we do it all the time and people cope | 20:29 |
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| jogo | jeblair: moving hacking is not time sensitive IMHO. so there is plenty of wiggle room on how we move it to QA | 20:29 |
| ttx | alright then. | 20:30 |
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| ttx | let's close this one early. | 20:30 |
| ttx | read well, see you next week. | 20:30 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 20:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 2 20:30:35 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-12-02-20.02.html | 20:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-12-02-20.02.txt | 20:30 |
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| ttx | ok.. who is around for the cross-project meeting? | 21:00 |
| nikhil_k | o/ | 21:00 |
| bknudson1 | hi | 21:00 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 21:00 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| devananda | o/ | 21:00 |
| eglynn | o/ | 21:00 |
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| ryansb | \o | 21:00 |
| eglynn | .. on a dodgey 3G connection, may drop off :( | 21:00 |
| notmyname | here | 21:01 |
| ttx | dhellmann, morganfainberg, notmyname, thingee, david-lyle, mestery, SlickNik, SergeyLukjanov: courtesy ping | 21:01 |
| mestery | o/ | 21:01 |
| morganfainberg | O/ | 21:01 |
| apevec | o/ | 21:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 21:01 |
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| maishsk | here | 21:01 |
| morganfainberg | On a not so dodgy lte connection... But still may drop in/out. | 21:01 |
| jeblair | ttx: i am, with an infra-related thing | 21:01 |
| ttx | zz_johnthetubagu: around? | 21:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting crossproject | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 2 21:01:57 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'crossproject' | 21:02 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 21:02 |
| ttx | jeblair: can it wait until the end of the agenda ? | 21:02 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/CrossProjectMeeting | 21:02 |
| jeblair | ttx: yep. i did not put it on agenda ahead of time, i lose. :) | 21:02 |
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| ttx | I don't think johnthetubaguy is around yet, so let's invert the first two topics | 21:03 |
| ttx | #topic Incompatible rework of client libraries (notmyname, morganfainberg) | 21:03 |
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| ttx | So this was prompted by two different teams deciding to rework their client libraries in incompatible ways... | 21:03 |
| ttx | ...and both proposing to do the new work in openstack-sdk, while keeping python client library for compatibility and CLI | 21:03 |
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| ttx | So I was wondering if there was a trend there, and if it's a technique we want to spread (or not) | 21:04 |
| mikal | Hi | 21:04 |
| ttx | morganfainberg, notmyname: could you briefly explain what you're after ? | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | I think your summary is pretty good | 21:04 |
| morganfainberg | Or if sdk is the right place for this work? | 21:04 |
| dhellmann | are the reworks incompatible with each other, or just with the old versions of the clients? | 21:04 |
| ttx | old versions of the client iiuc | 21:05 |
| morganfainberg | We have a lot of cruft for compat in ksc. Including cli. We would want to remove that rework it as a major rev. Or in sdk. | 21:05 |
| bknudson1 | I think we'd all be better off if we had a single python sdk. | 21:05 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson1: ++ | 21:05 |
| jokke_ | I do not agree | 21:05 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I think there were several discussions at the summit to the effect of, don't rewrite your clients go help with the sdk | 21:05 |
| morganfainberg | So this is the "is that really the way we're headed " topic. | 21:05 |
| jokke_ | We see already with tempest how it affects when the projects are not fully responsible for their piece | 21:05 |
| morganfainberg | I think. | 21:06 |
| notmyname | I'm not in love with "one sdk to rule them all", and I think there are issues we'll have to sort out later, but in the effort to focus on one thing (and since we see the -sdk team starting down the same road anyway) we wanted to work there. not a new thing | 21:06 |
| notmyname | jokke_: yup. that's one of the things to figure out. (later) | 21:07 |
| morganfainberg | notmyname: I am thinking perhaps we subteam the sections of the sdk. Overall team approvers and the project teams move towards contributing there instead of the to isolated clients. | 21:07 |
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| morganfainberg | Swift might be an exception. | 21:07 |
| dhellmann | as a consumer of a cloud, I don't want to have 15 different clients with their own notion of what a good API is, so from that perspective having a team motivated to work on the SDK and keep it uniform where appropriate is an improvement | 21:07 |
| morganfainberg | Due to its heavy consumption both in and out of openstack. | 21:07 |
| maishsk | dhellmann: +1 | 21:08 |
| notmyname | I'm not too concerned about -sdk project structure right now. I'd much rather actually have code first | 21:08 |
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| ttx | yes, I think being under the same umbrella with some sdk-core to ensure consistency wouldn't hurt | 21:08 |
| dhellmann | some of the discussions at the summit assumed that internally the cloud would still use the project-specific clients, at least for a while | 21:08 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann: I agree. | 21:08 |
| ttx | as long as each project can own its piece too | 21:08 |
| jokke_ | notmyname: IMHO principal issues like that which has already proven to break things should be fixed before jumping into that train | 21:08 |
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| morganfainberg | There is one concern I have re unified sdk package | 21:09 |
| ttx | I just have no idea of the state of the -sdk project right now, and if they are structured to drive some commoncality already | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | we're stating in swift that new dev work for client sdk features should happen in openstack-sdk. which means that yes we do have ownership of it (even if reviews aren't figured out yet) | 21:09 |
| ttx | commonality* | 21:09 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 21:10 |
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| morganfainberg | That is we often release more frequently to address issues / features in client. | 21:10 |
| dhellmann | ttx: there's still only a small team, but I'm sure we would welcome other contributors | 21:10 |
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| asalkeld | jokke_, weren't the issues with tempest largely due to gating - or a nervousness to add new flakey tests, not that it was one repo | 21:10 |
| morganfainberg | If sdk is released monolothically this could prose more issues on that front. | 21:10 |
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| dhellmann | morganfainberg: how so? | 21:11 |
| ttx | my concern is more to do it right before we start "supporting" it and ensure strong backward compat. I don't want us to jump to another project every time we want to rewrite in incomatible ways :) | 21:11 |
| asalkeld | jokke_, the sdk is in a different boat i think | 21:11 |
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| morganfainberg | dhellmann: we often track as close as we can for ksc to new features. | 21:11 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann: if sdk was released less frequently, new features would only be available in rest not Python. | 21:11 |
| ttx | but I guess we can land code there and not yet "release" it | 21:11 |
| ttx | or set wild expectations | 21:12 |
| dhellmann | morganfainberg: I don't think the SDK team would want that either | 21:12 |
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| bknudson1 | does the openstack CLI use the SDK? | 21:12 |
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| morganfainberg | dhellmann: right. Just want to raise the concern that coordinating a release is slower than each project. Not that I am against using sdk. | 21:12 |
| jokke_ | asalkeld: I do not know exact details, but when we tried to figure out how to move some of the testing to Tempest we were pretty bluntly told to not do that as there was no resouces to own those tests. | 21:12 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: concern about starting new projects to allow incompatibilities is fair, but in this case we, as a community, have been talking for a LOOOONG time about how we want to improve the overall state of the clients | 21:12 |
| dhellmann | morganfainberg: have you talked to briancurtin? | 21:13 |
| morganfainberg | Nope. Just thought about this just now. ;) | 21:13 |
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| dhellmann | morganfainberg: ok, I suggest you and notmyname chat with briancurtin or dtroyer if you haven't already (see #openstack-sdks) | 21:13 |
| asalkeld | jokke_, well i hope we don't get that in the sdk | 21:13 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann: will do. | 21:14 |
| notmyname | I have chatted with them both several times. they've been very helpful | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | I think this is the direction we want to go, but I don't think it's a good idea to sneak up on them :-) | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | notmyname: cool | 21:14 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I'm not that concerned about project hopping as a work around to avoid backward compat issues. More concerned about random code landing there and having to be supported, before the SDK team defines guidelines they are happy with | 21:14 |
| ttx | but I think it's a non-issue at this point | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | ttx: sure, that makes sense | 21:14 |
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| ttx | I think openstack-sdk is a great place to land a next-gen API | 21:15 |
| morganfainberg | I'll make it a point to chat with them soon and/or point jamielennox over to them. | 21:15 |
| ttx | (client API) | 21:15 |
| notmyname | no! the -sdk is not the api. it's a wrapper to the api | 21:15 |
| dhellmann | morganfainberg: jamie has been contributing already, iirc | 21:15 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann: probably. | 21:15 |
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| bknudson1 | so the alternative is to find some way to make incompatible changes to the existing libs. | 21:15 |
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| ttx | notmyname: ack | 21:15 |
| asalkeld | notmyname, it's a library api surly | 21:16 |
| ttx | API was the wrong term. | 21:16 |
| bknudson1 | either with a python-*client2 or a new module in the python-*client | 21:16 |
| jokke_ | bknudson1: or work around to make to incompatible changes compatible ;) | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | bknudson1: it's not just a matter of incompatibility, though, it's a case of every project having to do the same work instead of having it done in one place | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | I'm concerned that we'll get too much into The Way Things Ought To Be by all piling on and saying this is the new openstack way to do an sdk. and we don't even really have much actual code there | 21:16 |
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| morganfainberg | jokke_: the incompatible changes are because we are carrying a lot of tech debt to maintain compatibility. | 21:17 |
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| morganfainberg | jokke_: for the most part. It's a "time to clean some of this up" but we can't break previous deployments. | 21:17 |
| notmyname | I think it's a good way to figure out what we want to have. the -sdk team is essentially starting greenfield and it's a good opportunity to share and make things better without duplicating too much effort (eg teams and -sdk doing new versions) | 21:17 |
| ttx | notmyname: ack | 21:18 |
| morganfainberg | notmyname: ++ | 21:18 |
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| bknudson1 | jokke_: as morganfainberg says, we've been piling on workarounds to make incompatible changes compatible | 21:18 |
| dhellmann | notmyname: it's possible that it's premature to say we won't make changes to the project-specific clients, but it's worth spending some time actually talking about how work on the sdk might work | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | dhellmann: sure. and the existing clients (eg python-swiftclient) still have enough scope to require new stuff to be added and bugs to be fixed | 21:19 |
| dhellmann | notmyname: right | 21:19 |
| ttx | OK, I think the next steps will happen in code proposed to openstack-sdk and discussions on the ml | 21:19 |
| ttx | wuld be good to revisit this topic in a few months | 21:19 |
| ttx | to check for progress | 21:19 |
| notmyname | dhellmann: but in the attempt to focus, we're saying we want to see new stuff go there instead of swiftclient | 21:20 |
| notmyname | ttx: yes! definitely | 21:20 |
| ttx | last comments on this topic ? | 21:20 |
| morganfainberg | Ttx +1 | 21:20 |
| dhellmann | notmyname: yeah, hence my "may be premature" comment | 21:20 |
| ttx | #action ttx to add a revsiit of this topic to the agenda backlog in +2months | 21:21 |
| ttx | still no johnthetubaguy? | 21:21 |
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| ttx | apevec: around? | 21:21 |
| apevec | ya | 21:21 |
| ttx | #topic 2014.2.1 point release status (apevec) | 21:21 |
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| ttx | apevec: Floor is yours | 21:21 |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/StableJuno | 21:21 |
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| apevec | yep, that's the etherpad with the status | 21:22 |
| apevec | I've posted exceptions proposals | 21:22 |
| apevec | on openstack-dev | 21:22 |
| ttx | apevec: couldn't review them today. Is it OK if I review them tomorrow morning ? | 21:22 |
| apevec | yep | 21:22 |
| ttx | or too late ? | 21:22 |
| ttx | ok | 21:22 |
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| apevec | there aren't known blockers to me, | 21:22 |
| apevec | so release will be as scheduled Thu Dec 4 | 21:23 |
| apevec | I've just one cross-proj exception to raise here: | 21:23 |
| apevec | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:stable/juno+topic:openstack/requirements,n,z | 21:23 |
| Daviey | apevec: There seems to be more release note requirements for this release. How are the release notes looking? | 21:23 |
| apevec | I'd like to push this cap reqs sync before the release | 21:23 |
| jungleboyj | apevec: There is one more exception I may want to request: If I can get this approved we should also get it into stable/Juno: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138526/ | 21:23 |
| apevec | Daviey, I'm still collecting them, will review tomorrow | 21:24 |
| Daviey | Super | 21:24 |
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| apevec | jungleboyj, please add in etherpad | 21:24 |
| david-lyle | apevec: at least one patch proposed has a -2, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138018/ | 21:24 |
| jokke_ | apevec: Glance and specifically glance_store would greatly benefit if we get the cap in already for this round | 21:24 |
| apevec | and reply in openstack-dev thread | 21:24 |
| ttx | apevec: we should get all those in | 21:24 |
| jungleboyj | apevec: Will do now. | 21:24 |
| eglynn | apevec: FYI I removed one of the ceilo exception requests from that etherpad as it already inadvertantly landed ... https://review.openstack.org/138315 | 21:24 |
| ttx | will +2/aprv tomorrow morning if nobody else beat me to it | 21:24 |
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| apevec | david-lyle, all have scripted -2 that's freeze | 21:24 |
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| eglynn | apevec: I wasn't clear enough with my "Pending grant of 2014.2.1 freeze exception" comment on gerrit, shoulda -2'd it | 21:25 |
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| apevec | eglynn, I think all ceilo exceptions are fine to merge, you're PTL after all :) | 21:25 |
| eglynn | apevec: coolness :) | 21:25 |
| apevec | just wanted to wait for more feedback | 21:25 |
| ttx | apevec: ok, anything else ? | 21:26 |
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| apevec | that's it from me, I'd just like to thank adam_g to tracking down that last gate issue :) | 21:26 |
| apevec | (ironic grenade thing) | 21:26 |
| ttx | apevec: juno gate status is green now ? | 21:27 |
| apevec | yes, workaround in grenade juno was merged | 21:27 |
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| apevec | ttx, and after Dec 4 we implement new team structure right? | 21:27 |
| ttx | apevec: what do you want for the xceptions: a reply to the thread, or +2/approvals on the reviews themselves ? | 21:27 |
| ttx | apevec: yes | 21:28 |
| apevec | ttx, both :) | 21:28 |
| ttx | ok | 21:28 |
| apevec | I need also to remove my scripted -2s | 21:28 |
| ttx | After the release we'll work to set up the new teams (with fungi's help) and the new cappings (with anteaya's help) | 21:28 |
| fungi | sounds good | 21:28 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | apevec, is it ok if I'll add a 1-2 excpeptions for sahara patches? (need to recheck) | 21:29 |
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| apevec | SergeyLukjanov, you're the boss for sahara | 21:29 |
| ttx | I'd say today is the latest to propose exceptions though :) | 21:29 |
| ttx | we need to land them all | 21:29 |
| apevec | ack | 21:30 |
| anteaya | came back from a walk and I'm doing stuff | 21:30 |
| ttx | that should tyake most of wednesday :) | 21:30 |
| anteaya | hope I don't disappoint | 21:30 |
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| ttx | Any more comment on 2014.2.1 ? | 21:30 |
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| ttx | still no johnthetubaguy so I guess we'll skip the spec topic and discuss it next week, sorry about that | 21:31 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, apevec, oh, just see that there is no need to add more exceptions, thx for apevec for handling https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135549/ | 21:31 |
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| ttx | #topic Open discussion & announcements | 21:31 |
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| ttx | We had 1:1 syncs today, nothing really remarkable. Logs at: | 21:31 |
| ttx | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ptl_sync/2014/ptl_sync.2014-12-02-09.10.html | 21:31 |
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| ttx | jeblair: you had something ? | 21:32 |
| jeblair | hi, we're working on a change to the third-party ci process which will enable more self-service from folks standing up third-party ci systems, as well as giving ownership of voting rights to projects themselves | 21:32 |
| jeblair | here is the documentation change that just merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137240/ | 21:32 |
| jeblair | we'll be sending out an email to the dev list soon with information for projects | 21:32 |
| jeblair | but the upshot is that project drivers will be able to allow/disallow individual CI system voting on their projects | 21:32 |
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| jeblair | just wanted to give folks an extra heads up about that | 21:32 |
| notmyname | jeblair: cool | 21:32 |
| mikal | jeblair: oh, nice | 21:32 |
| anteaya | right now I have emagana and mestery for neutron, jogo for nova and DuncanT and jungleboyj for cinder | 21:33 |
| morganfainberg | cool | 21:33 |
| anteaya | as third-party project drivers | 21:33 |
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| mikal | anteaya: we can't reuse the nova-drivers group? | 21:33 |
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| anteaya | mikal: do the nova-drivers group want to learn what is required to be effecitve here? | 21:34 |
| morganfainberg | mikal, ++ usign a current could be nice. | 21:34 |
| anteaya | I asked and asked an noone in nova wanted to help | 21:34 |
| anteaya | finally twisted jogo's arm | 21:34 |
| mikal | anteaya: heh, I'd have to ask them. I think most would be ok with it at least. | 21:34 |
| anteaya | now if nova-drivers want this, I'm all for it | 21:34 |
| mikal | anteaya: the disinterested few could just ignore the requests | 21:34 |
| mikal | anteaya: ok, let me take it to them and see what they say | 21:34 |
| anteaya | just as long as it doesn't keep getting bounced back to me | 21:34 |
| anteaya | mikal: let me know the outcome | 21:35 |
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| anteaya | mikal: the problem is the distinterested few are the majority | 21:35 |
| anteaya | then it is all on my plate again | 21:35 |
| morganfainberg | anteaya, when Keystone starts getting 3rd party CI (yes it's planned) I'll talk to you about who should be in the group or if keystone-drivers is suffiecient | 21:35 |
| anteaya | hoping this changes things | 21:35 |
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| clarkb | anteaya: the plan was make nova-release do it until screaming happened | 21:35 |
| anteaya | morganfainberg: I look forward to it | 21:36 |
| anteaya | mikal: it is on you dude | 21:36 |
| bknudson1 | keystone has/had 3rd party ci for DB2 | 21:36 |
| anteaya | and johnthetubaguy I guess | 21:36 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson1, haven't seen it vote in a while. | 21:36 |
| bknudson1 | morganfainberg: y, it's been broken. | 21:36 |
| anteaya | bknudson1: great, I'll show up in a keystone meeting and learn more | 21:36 |
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| mikal | anteaya: I shall lead from the front | 21:36 |
| anteaya | morganfainberg: add me to an agenda and we can dicuss | 21:36 |
| anteaya | mikal: awesome, you're it | 21:36 |
| jeblair | anyway, there will be details about group management in the email; i believe that we can accomodate either reusing existing groups or new ones if needed. | 21:37 |
| morganfainberg | anteaya, ++ lets aim for not next week but the following (as i'm out next) | 21:37 |
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| anteaya | morganfainberg: neutron mid-cycle for me next week, let's do following | 21:37 |
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| saloa | #openstack-neutron | 21:37 |
| morganfainberg | ++ | 21:37 |
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| eglynn | bknudson1: interesting, who runs the DB2-based CI? | 21:38 |
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| jeblair | also gerrit downtime on saturday for some project renames: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/052031.html | 21:38 |
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| jeblair | ttx: end | 21:38 |
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| bknudson1 | eglynn: IBM we've got folks in beijing | 21:38 |
| ttx | Alright! Anything else, anyone ? | 21:38 |
| eglynn | bknudson1: cool ... /me asks in relation to the ceilo DB2 storage driver | 21:38 |
| maishsk | I was speaking to annegentle today and she said it might relevant to bring this up here. | 21:39 |
| maishsk | I wondering if someone could explain why there are differences in the way specs are displayed in | 21:39 |
| maishsk | http://specs.openstack.org ? | 21:39 |
| anteaya | maishsk: what differences are you seeing? | 21:39 |
| ttx | differences between what and what ? | 21:39 |
| maishsk | For example http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/ | 21:39 |
| maishsk | as opposed to http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/heat-specs/ | 21:40 |
| anteaya | what differences? | 21:40 |
| maishsk | they are presented in very different ways. Is that on purpose? | 21:40 |
| anteaya | that is based on how the project sets up their information | 21:40 |
| ttx | maishsk: ah, that would be a :titleonly: directive missing, probably not on purpose | 21:40 |
| dhellmann | maishsk: it looks like the toctree settings are different in the 2 projects, and so nova is showing fewer headings than heat | 21:40 |
| mikal | maishsk: the heat format wouldn't work for nova | 21:40 |
| mikal | maishsk: we have too many specs | 21:40 |
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| mikal | maishsk: nova also does an "approved" vs "implemented" division that other projects probably don't do | 21:41 |
| * ttx is quickly becoming a sphinx guy | 21:41 | |
| anteaya | mikal: yeah, no kidding | 21:41 |
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| jeblair | someone might propose a change to heat-specs to change that, i think it's probably already too long in heat to be useful too | 21:41 |
| maishsk | As someone who came to look at the different specs today - it is highly confusing. | 21:41 |
| mikal | If people are itnerested in how we do the implemented thing, I could document that one day | 21:42 |
| ttx | maishsk: actually, we were supposed to discuss convergence in -specs between projects | 21:42 |
| ttx | at this meeting | 21:42 |
| mikal | We do redirects and everything | 21:42 |
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| jeblair | mikal: fancy! | 21:42 |
| ttx | but the person who asked for it is probably buried in work so we'll discuss that next week instead | 21:42 |
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| maishsk | ttx: ok then | 21:42 |
| mikal | jeblair: you say that like someone who hasnt' read the sphinx plugin code | 21:42 |
| ttx | maishsk: agree that the current situation can be a bit confusing, so we'll see if there are ways to make that a bit more convergent | 21:43 |
| annegent_ | darn I was hoping we'd talk about it anyway | 21:43 |
| jeblair | mikal: don't shatter my illusions! | 21:43 |
| ttx | #action ttx to add maishsk's question on specs.o.o differences on the spec convergence topic next week | 21:43 |
| notmyname | ttx: is there bg info to read for that conversation | 21:43 |
| notmyname | ? | 21:43 |
| ttx | annegent_: we can! I just don't want to steal John's | 21:44 |
| annegent_ | ttx: sure | 21:44 |
| bknudson1 | there's probably some things that work well with specs for some group that others should pick up. | 21:44 |
| ttx | notmyname: I think John wanted to compare how people used specs and see where they could adopt common practice | 21:44 |
| ttx | a follow-up on the session we had at the summit | 21:44 |
| annegent_ | maishsk: ttx: did you get to the question of "what's the way to know whether a spec is being worked?" | 21:44 |
| mikal | Oh, can I answer that one?!? | 21:44 |
| mikal | I like sounding like I know stuff | 21:45 |
| jokke_ | maishsk: thnks for bringing that up ... first time I stumbled upon specs.openstack.org :) | 21:45 |
| ttx | annegent_: I would follow the link to the blueprint :) | 21:45 |
| ttx | but that's only me | 21:45 |
| mikal | Dammit | 21:45 |
| morganfainberg | annegent_, we [keystone] just merged the backlog concept... but we don't have anything there yet... | 21:45 |
| mikal | There goes my answer | 21:45 |
| annegent_ | ttx: I figured Launchpad was more truth | 21:45 |
| ttx | mikal: oops sorry | 21:45 |
| * jeblair awards 10 points to mikal | 21:45 | |
| mikal | Heh | 21:45 |
| annegent_ | gold star sticker to mikal | 21:45 |
| mikal | Although nova also has the concept of wishlist specs now, which are always unowned | 21:45 |
| morganfainberg | but soon. i expect "available" specs [not active] will be in keystone's backlog. | 21:45 |
| mikal | I don't think we've actually merged one yet though | 21:45 |
| devananda | fwiw, Ironic has adopted the idea of a backlog as well, including allowing shorter specs there (just problem description and goals, no specifics) | 21:45 |
| annegent_ | In patching all the specs repos with API info I've found different requests | 21:45 |
| mikal | Yeah, nova modelled off keystone there | 21:46 |
| jeblair | mikal: i like the idea that a wishlist spec must never have an owner ;) | 21:46 |
| devananda | we also haven't had to deal with a large number of approved but not implemented specs at the end of the cycle yet. could happen this cycle ... | 21:46 |
| annegent_ | basically working with a stable API can go right into the project repo, one that is still being worked and needs discussion as things are added go into specs | 21:46 |
| morganfainberg | devananda, that is my expectation. | 21:46 |
| mikal | jeblair: a wishlist spec is also truncated for nova | 21:46 |
| mikal | jeblair: i.e. you don't have to fill in the whole template, just the user story | 21:46 |
| dhellmann | devananda: I had a small number that I reverted from oslo-specs last cycle (I just deleted them) | 21:46 |
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| morganfainberg | mikal, ++ | 21:47 |
| mikal | dhellmann: le huh | 21:47 |
| ttx | dhellmann: devananda said he liked my spec2bp v2 version | 21:47 |
| mikal | We had heaps of not implemented ones | 21:47 |
| annegent_ | also I guess I suprised a few people with the API spec patches -- that'll teach you to read What's Up Doc? I thought to myself | 21:47 |
| mikal | So we have a fast track approve for kilo, and mark which ones got implemented in the spec repo | 21:47 |
| mikal | Nothing gets deleted | 21:47 |
| ttx | dhellmann: waiting for +1s on that one :) | 21:47 |
| devananda | for ironic, a wishlist (/backlog) may or may not be truncated. it requires 2 of the headings, allows the rest, and rejects any new headings. | 21:47 |
| morganfainberg | annegent_, Keystone loves the API specs being in that repo btw. Thanks for all the hard work. | 21:47 |
| devananda | mikal: my approach last cycle: don't approve specs that I didn't think would make it in :) | 21:47 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I'll take another look | 21:48 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: thx, won't merge it until you +1 it. | 21:48 |
| dhellmann | devananda: ++ | 21:48 |
| ttx | as my only user.. | 21:48 |
| annegent_ | thanks morganfainberg | 21:48 |
| ttx | (of v1) | 21:48 |
| annegent_ | still found tables that weren't rendered well, but le sigh | 21:48 |
| ttx | everyone speaks french now | 21:48 |
| devananda | ttx: fwiw, now that spec2bp lets me manipulate BP's for unapproved specs, this is much much simpler | 21:48 |
| maishsk | :) | 21:48 |
| ttx | le french. | 21:48 |
| morganfainberg | annegent_, happens, but we're way better than *go look at github* | 21:48 |
| anteaya | le yay | 21:48 |
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| morganfainberg | ttx, le somethingthatsoundsnotfrench | 21:49 |
| ttx | le spec2bp. | 21:49 |
| morganfainberg | hehe | 21:49 |
| anteaya | marketing alert | 21:49 |
| annegent_ | morganfainberg: heh, hadn't thought of that | 21:49 |
| annegent_ | so generally we're separating out the API spec template from the others | 21:50 |
| mikal | I want a spec2bp tshirt | 21:50 |
| annegent_ | it's a bit experimental though, and nova microversions will certainly make it harder | 21:50 |
| anteaya | it worked | 21:50 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I'm still worried about what's going to happen to specs where the project is stevedore, cliff, and taskflow | 21:50 |
| dhellmann | those should be oslo-specs, not foo-specs | 21:50 |
| annegent_ | hence a lot of discussion on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129329/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130550/ | 21:50 |
| ttx | dhellmann: you can set the blueprint URL field so that it finds the spec. | 21:51 |
| annegent_ | I also noticed that some projects test their templates for empty sections | 21:51 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: that's the ultimate workaround for weirdly-placed specs. | 21:51 |
| ttx | dhellmann: we can improve from there, but it should already be usable. | 21:51 |
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| ttx | context for bystanders: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108041/ | 21:52 |
| morganfainberg | annegent_, we at least check that all the sections exist.. i don't think if we care if they are empty | 21:52 |
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| annegent_ | morganfainberg: seems like a good idea, just didn't do the same for API template since that template isn't really straightforward | 21:52 |
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| morganfainberg | annegent_, ++ | 21:52 |
| dhellmann | ttx: could you add an example of how I would do that to the readme, because I'm not seeing it | 21:53 |
| annegent_ | and I'd prefer to leave it pretty free form (API changes) | 21:53 |
| devananda | annegent_: how are changes which affect both API and something_else being handled? (pardon the uninformed question if this is obvious) | 21:53 |
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| ttx | basically specrepo is not used if bp.specification_url is set and resembles a proper spec link | 21:53 |
| annegent_ | devananda: so far we haven't tested that | 21:53 |
| ttx | dhellmann: will do | 21:53 |
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| annegent_ | devananda: though morganfainberg may have already and I missed it | 21:54 |
| ttx | #action ttx to add to spec2bp README how to use le ultimate workaround | 21:54 |
| dhellmann | ttx: so now I have to manage those URLs by hand? that's backwards from what we were doing before | 21:54 |
| devananda | I mean, I haven't had a spec come in to Ironic which changes the API without doing so because it seeks to change something else | 21:54 |
| morganfainberg | devananda, we tend to include the API changes in the spec proposal - in some cases we do the API changes as a separate patch but require that change to merge before the code does. | 21:54 |
| annegent_ | devananda: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130277/ is an example | 21:54 |
| morganfainberg | devananda, in the spec proposal, i mean in the same patchset | 21:55 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I just checked some stuff in to oslo-specs today that ensures that there is a blueprint somewhere in the oslo project group for each spec, so that when I run spec2bp it can update all of the fields on the blueprint | 21:55 |
| annegent_ | morganfainberg: oh maybe https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130277/ isn't an example | 21:55 |
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| morganfainberg | devananda, but that's keystone (we've long used identity-api in this way) | 21:55 |
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| devananda | ooh | 21:55 |
| dhellmann | ttx: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138392/ | 21:55 |
| devananda | morganfainberg: same spec document, separate change set | 21:55 |
| ttx | dhellmann: it will set the URL automatically if everything is placed where it should be. But if it can't find the spec where it is looking, it will check the URL in the blueprint just in case | 21:55 |
| morganfainberg | devananda, either way works, i *prefer* the same changeset to include the spec proposal *and* api changes ... but that isn't realistic to enforce. | 21:56 |
| ttx | so you can workaround those corner cases by explicitely setting the URL. | 21:56 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: that's what the error message on lines 120-128 says | 21:57 |
| dhellmann | ttx: you're saying that the solution to my problem is the problem I am trying to express | 21:57 |
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| dhellmann | I do not want to have to type URLs into launchpad | 21:57 |
| ttx | I understand that. | 21:57 |
| morganfainberg | devananda it has the advantage though that you can [in theory] revert out a spec and the API changes at the same time if you wanted to/needed to | 21:57 |
| ttx | dhellmann: ok, I'll try to make it cover corner cases at the first iteration | 21:58 |
| ttx | I just kind of wanted it in since some people started to use it, and then fix it to support corner cases | 21:58 |
| dhellmann | ttx: the version I have now covers these cases, that's why I'm concerned | 21:58 |
| ttx | dhellmann: fair enough | 21:59 |
| ttx | ok, time to close | 21:59 |
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| ttx | Thanks, everyone! | 21:59 |
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| bknudson1 | merci | 21:59 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 2 21:59:36 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| ttx | le fin. | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2014/crossproject.2014-12-02-21.01.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2014/crossproject.2014-12-02-21.01.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2014/crossproject.2014-12-02-21.01.log.html | 21:59 |
| jungleboyj | merci bocou | 21:59 |
| jokke_ | thanks | 21:59 |
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| maishsk | le thank you | 21:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, thx | 22:00 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: if a project knows which project group it is in, you could check that name instead of the project name, and default to oslo-specs when the project group is not "openstack" | 22:00 |
| dhellmann | there must be a way to get that from the api | 22:01 |
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