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| bauzas | tic tac ? | 15:02 |
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| PaulMurray | bauzas, oh, yes please | 15:02 |
| bauzas | ok, let's open the meeting | 15:03 |
| bauzas | #startmeeting gantt | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 25 15:03:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bauzas. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gantt)" | 15:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gantt' | 15:03 |
| bauzas | #chair n0ano | 15:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: bauzas n0ano | 15:03 |
| bauzas | roll call ? | 15:03 |
| bauzas | \o | 15:03 |
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| PaulMurray | hello | 15:03 |
| bauzas | sounds like some people hitted the daylight change | 15:04 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: around ? | 15:04 |
| bauzas | I already discussed with jaypipes and he can't attend today due to a meeting conflict | 15:05 |
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| bauzas | (echo echo echooooo) | 15:05 |
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| PaulMurray | bauzas, its just you and me mate | 15:06 |
| bauzas | awesome | 15:06 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: actually you and I are owners of K1 blueprints :) | 15:06 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: so we're good | 15:07 |
| bauzas | let's start | 15:07 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, so do you want to update each othere? | 15:07 |
| bauzas | should be quick | 15:07 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: will *try* ;) | 15:07 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, you go first | 15:07 |
| bauzas | #topic Status on cleanup work | 15:08 |
| markus_z | I'm interested in your updates, go on :) | 15:08 |
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| bauzas | hurrah, some fan around :) | 15:08 |
| markus_z | go bauzas go! | 15:08 |
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| bauzas | so | 15:08 |
| bauzas | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gantt/kilo | 15:08 |
| bauzas | ^above is the main entrypoint for considering progress | 15:08 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: feel free to amend it with your progress | 15:08 |
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| bauzas | so, we're having 4 BPs targeted for K1 | 15:09 |
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| bauzas | it seems there is a mistake on the wikipage, because there are 2 entries for the same BP | 15:09 |
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| bauzas | that's my fault, I misunderstood the #3 item | 15:10 |
| bauzas | so, let's iterate over there | 15:10 |
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| PaulMurray | bauzas, which is the duplicate | 15:10 |
| bauzas | #item Convert get_available_resources() to return object | 15:10 |
| bauzas | I have no status on that one | 15:10 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: item #3 and #5 | 15:11 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, oh I get it #3 and #5 | 15:11 |
| bauzas | so, #info No status on Convert get_available_resources() to return object | 15:11 |
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| PaulMurray | bauzas, I can change it | 15:11 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: excellent | 15:11 |
| bauzas | AFAIK, there is some progress about item #2 CPU pinning & huge page support | 15:12 |
| bauzas | jaypipes and sahid are working on it | 15:12 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: any further info ? | 15:12 |
| bauzas | that's still in my review queue | 15:13 |
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| PaulMurray | bauzas, there has been progress on #3 - lxsli is doing some work there on tests | 15:13 |
| bauzas | I was going to #3 | 15:13 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, and on the migrations | 15:13 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, sorry - go on | 15:13 |
| bauzas | right, I was reviewing his patches | 15:13 |
| bauzas | that's good effort, I'm just concerned about backporting all changes coming to test_resource_tracker before deleting it | 15:14 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: IIUC, lxsli was working on improving the test coverage, some tests were missinb | 15:14 |
| bauzas | missing | 15:14 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, the idea is that the tests are really hard to understand | 15:14 |
| bauzas | I know... :) | 15:15 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, so we are trying to go through repeating in the new version | 15:15 |
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| bauzas | I totally agree with the rationale, and actually the new version is pretty good | 15:15 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, we can drop old tests when we know we have coverage, we don't have to wait untill all are done | 15:15 |
| bauzas | we just need to make sure everything is coverted | 15:15 |
| bauzas | covered* | 15:15 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: I was just thinking about any changes in test_resource_tracker which would mean extra effort to test_tracker for providing it | 15:16 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, when tests for one thing, like migrations are done, the old tests can be dropped and that makes it a lot easier to get the migrations patch done...... | 15:16 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: agreed | 15:16 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, and repeat for each object | 15:16 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: makes sense | 15:17 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, so expect to see movement on objects themselves soon | 15:17 |
| bauzas | ok, moving forward | 15:17 |
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| bauzas | #item Detach service from compute node | 15:17 |
| bauzas | that's the one I'm working on | 15:17 |
| bauzas | I had to modify some things wrt how data migrations are managed now | 15:17 |
| bauzas | now, we can no longer provide data migrations within migration scripts | 15:18 |
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| bauzas | so, I have to carry some compatibility handling on the object side | 15:18 |
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| bauzas | here, that's quite ...interesting because the field I'm removing is actually used for searching and filtering against it | 15:19 |
| bauzas | so, I'm currently dedicated to that, expecting to land a new iteration of the patch series by tomorrow | 15:19 |
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| * bauzas likes to be a guinea pig | 15:19 | |
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| bauzas | that's it for me | 15:20 |
| bauzas | we can also talk about K2 BPs | 15:20 |
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| bauzas | I saw that jaypipes provided a new patchset for Add resource object models | 15:21 |
| bauzas | still need to review it | 15:21 |
| bauzas | I mean for the spec | 15:21 |
| PaulMurray | ok - i'll look too | 15:21 |
| bauzas | about Model request spec object | 15:21 |
| bauzas | I'm committed to it | 15:21 |
| bauzas | so the spec is having good reviews, I'll update it | 15:21 |
| bauzas | basically, the plan is to provide both request_spec and filter_properties fields as part of the new RequestSpec object | 15:22 |
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| bauzas | and within the Scheduler, the old dicts will be repopulated based on these fields | 15:22 |
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| bauzas | so I need to update the spec by also mentioning the filter_properties fields as fields | 15:23 |
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| bauzas | that's on its way too | 15:23 |
| bauzas | expecting to work on the implemention by end of this week | 15:23 |
| bauzas | that's it for me | 15:23 |
| bauzas | any questions about the BPs ? | 15:23 |
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| bauzas | or can we move to open discussion ? | 15:23 |
| PaulMurray | go on | 15:24 |
| bauzas | #topic Open Discussion | 15:24 |
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| bauzas | so, what's up ? :) | 15:24 |
| bauzas | I have nothing to say on my side | 15:24 |
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| PaulMurray | nothing here - but I did respin https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133083/ | 15:25 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: yeah, saw it | 15:25 |
| PaulMurray | I did it just now | 15:25 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: in my review backlog too | 15:25 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: ack | 15:25 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: I'm expecting to dedicate some time tomorrow about reviews | 15:25 |
| PaulMurray | I realised I didn't need all those aggregates, so simplified it to just two that get used every time | 15:25 |
| bauzas | I was quite busy the last 2 days | 15:25 |
| bauzas | awesome | 15:26 |
| bauzas | you mean in the tests ? | 15:26 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, that's cool - I can see you are active | 15:26 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, you'll see | 15:26 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: I like teasers | 15:26 |
| bauzas | ok, closing the meeting, hurrah | 15:27 |
| bauzas | n0ano will have to write 100 times "I have to learn what UTC means" :p | 15:27 |
| PaulMurray | :) | 15:27 |
| bauzas | #endmeeting | 15:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:27 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 25 15:27:48 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-11-25-15.03.html | 15:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-11-25-15.03.txt | 15:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-11-25-15.03.log.html | 15:27 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, did you start an hour early or am I timezone challenged? | 15:59 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: unfortunately, we ran the meeting one hour ago :) | 16:00 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: here, it's 5pm CET, which means 4pm UTC | 16:01 |
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| bauzas | because CET is GMT+1 on winter and GMT+2 on summer | 16:01 |
| n0ano | bauzas, sigh, "I have to learn what UTC means"*100 | 16:01 |
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| bauzas | yeah, UTC is not dependent on changes | 16:02 |
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| bauzas | GMT is, AFAIK | 16:02 |
| bauzas | which time is it for you, now ? | 16:02 |
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| bauzas | 8am ? | 16:02 |
| bauzas | n0ano: ? | 16:02 |
| n0ano | no, it's worse, it's in my calendar properly, I just didn't check it. It's 9:00AM Mountain Standard Time, | 16:02 |
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| n0ano | I entered the meeting in UTC so it doesn't follow daylight savings time... | 16:03 |
| n0ano | but my brain was set to 9AM and I didn't convert today... | 16:03 |
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| n0ano | looks like you covered the meeting for me so, unless there's anything I need to do, it's all good | 16:03 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: yeah, I tried to provide some updates | 16:06 |
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| n0ano | I'm actually impressed, we have 3 BPs approved, line item 2 (cpu pinning/large page) should be approved soon, so I think we're making good progress | 16:07 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: yeah, sounds pretty good | 16:08 |
| bauzas | n0ano: I faced some extra delay with detach-service because of the new way to provide data migrations :) | 16:09 |
| bauzas | I hope to sort it out soon | 16:09 |
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| n0ano | if there's anything I or my team can do to help let me know (I have resources I can call upon :-) | 16:09 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: that's really tricky, you know :) | 16:16 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, yep, that's why it's an offer, not a command :-) | 16:17 |
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| n0ano | unlike a lot of my management I don't believe 9 women can make a baby in 1 month | 16:18 |
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| * samuelms ok .. after you ayoung | 17:59 | |
| ayoung | heh | 18:00 |
| samuelms | :) | 18:00 |
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| rodrigods | ayoung, finished the task? :) | 18:00 |
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| ayoung | rodrigods, not even close | 18:00 |
| ayoung | rodrigods, was interupted like 3 more times | 18:00 |
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| rodrigods | ayoung, ok, will do as I'm proposing and discuss it later | 18:01 |
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| ayoung | heh | 18:01 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, ayoung, bknudson, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, nkinder, lloydm, shrekuma, ksavich, hrybacki, rharwood, grantbow, vdreamarkitex, raildo, rodrigods, amakarov, ajayaa, hogepodge, breton, lhcheng, nonameentername, samuelms, htruta https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | gee that list is getting long | 18:03 |
| raildo | \o | 18:03 |
| dstanek | o/ | 18:03 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 18:03 |
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| joesavak | o/ | 18:03 |
| gabriel-bezerra | hi | 18:03 |
| samuelms | \o/ | 18:03 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:03 |
| hogepodge | \o/ | 18:03 |
| gabriel-bezerra | o_ | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | hey | 18:04 |
| dolphm | o/ | 18:04 |
| bknudson | what's up? | 18:04 |
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| morganfainberg | #startmeeting keystone | 18:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 25 18:05:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is morganfainberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:05 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:05 |
| bknudson | anything on the agenda? | 18:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:05 |
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| morganfainberg | So quick house keeping | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | this is a short week for all the US folks | 18:05 |
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| morganfainberg | have a good thanks giving! | 18:05 |
| dolphm | /turkey | 18:05 |
| joesavak | /ham | 18:05 |
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| morganfainberg | joesavak, dolphm, (turkey, ham, stuffing) | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | #topic HM Discussion: Can we create a domain below a project? or we must keep domains on the top and projects below | 18:06 |
| joesavak | pie! | 18:06 |
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| morganfainberg | raildo, o/ | 18:06 |
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| raildo | \o | 18:06 |
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| raildo | So... During the Summit we discuss a lot of things about HM, but some discussions remained open, of these questions is:Can we create a domain below a project (just a project, not a project that change to be a domain)? or we must keep domains on the top and projects below? | 18:06 |
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| raildo | I'm remember that morganfainberg like the first option and ayoung the second... | 18:07 |
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| joesavak | we are still maintaining a domain is an administrative boundary containing projects & users; and a project is a collection of resources right? | 18:07 |
| raildo | joesavak, yes | 18:07 |
| ayoung | raildo, sortof | 18:07 |
| ayoung | I would say this | 18:07 |
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| morganfainberg | joesavak, the idea is domains will become projects with special properties | 18:07 |
| ayoung | domains should only be able to nest under domains | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | joesavak, but without those special flags, they can't be the administrative | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | boundry | 18:08 |
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| joesavak | that's cool - then no "domains" under "projects" | 18:08 |
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| ayoung | having domain->project->project->domain | 18:08 |
| ayoung | not good | 18:08 |
| samuelms | ayoung, ++ | 18:08 |
| joesavak | +1 ayoung | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, why? | 18:08 |
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| morganfainberg | how is it "not good" | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | it may be sub-optimal. | 18:08 |
| ayoung | we can allow it later if we find there is compelling reason, but I don't see that it is a good fit | 18:08 |
| joesavak | confuses authorization at the higher levels, and creates administration headaches for assignments | 18:09 |
| samuelms | and then if someone tells me that he wants only to create instances (I sell him a project ) .. otherwise .. if he wants to resell , then I sell him a domain : different contracts | 18:09 |
| dolphm | how is that sub optimal? it's almost a simplification | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, sub-optimal to have domain -> project -> project -> domain | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, was my question | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | not domain -> domain -> domain -> not domains after here cause this is a project | 18:09 |
| ayoung | ok...so domains are organizational boundaries. So If I resell to you, and you resell to her, and she resells to you, there is a clear chain | 18:10 |
| ayoung | putting projects in between, though, muddies that | 18:10 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, I'm ok with domain -> domain -> domain | 18:10 |
| henrynash | (sorry for being late) | 18:10 |
| ayoung | IN fact, I think we need it explicitly for the reseller case | 18:10 |
| raildo | ayoung, in our implementation is not allowed cycle | 18:10 |
| samuelms | ayoung, yes .. and buying for resell or buying to create instances are kept with different contract (and prices) | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | i'm inclined to say domains can be anywhere. | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | it's an attribute on a project | 18:11 |
| bknudson | I thought a domain was a special type of project? | 18:11 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: I tend to agree | 18:11 |
| samuelms | ayoung, you can't say that you want to create instances (less expensive) and then resell | 18:11 |
| ayoung | its more than that | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | a deployer (e.g. joesavak) can choose that domains can only be at the top | 18:11 |
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| ayoung | it is going to be an entry that pulls in an identity source | 18:11 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: we had reasoning to make that property immutable once set though | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, did we? | 18:11 |
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| henrynash | ayoung: is there something other than complexity that you are concerned about (apologies if you already stated this and I missed it) | 18:12 |
| morganfainberg | i figured a deployer could tear down the domain attribute at somepoint. | 18:12 |
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| morganfainberg | henrynash, we just started, you didn't miss much/anything | 18:12 |
| raildo | dolphm, you're saying that, if a change a project to be a domain, i can't remove this "flag"? | 18:12 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: i think that's exactly what we wanted to disallow | 18:12 |
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| joesavak | morganfainberg - that's fine - and flexible - "deployer choice" | 18:12 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, i honestly don't remember that. | 18:12 |
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| morganfainberg | but if thats the case, then yes, domains can't go under projects. | 18:12 |
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| ayoung | henrynash, I have to admit, I am having trouble voicing it. It was one of those things that we discussed at the summit and it became clear that keeping the org tree clear made sense | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | it makes life really unfriendly | 18:13 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: if the deployer can do anything to manipulate a customer's customer's domain, privacy & security are violated | 18:13 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, ah, right the administrative block thing | 18:13 |
| bknudson | we need OpenStack as a Service | 18:14 |
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| bknudson | Cloud as a Service | 18:14 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, ok - that is the addon built on top of it | 18:14 |
| samuelms | joesavak, if we go for 'just domains under domains', we can establish different contracts (and then pricing) to people that want to 1) create instances 2) resell | 18:14 |
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| gabriel-bezerra | what's the major difference between projects and domains? just that domains hold users? | 18:14 |
| raildo | great, So I'll put this discussion in the Reseller spec :) | 18:14 |
| joesavak | there's a basic level of trust between a deployer and a reseller customer - that the deployer wouldn't touch the reseller customer's customer unless asked to - so authorization may have to allow that in some cases | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | gabriel-bezerra, and (future looking) roles | 18:14 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, I think that the issues is: what does it mean if the parent of a domain is project that is not a domain. There was some wierdness there | 18:15 |
| henrynash | dolphm: surely that’s a contractual thing in reality…the domain attributes on teh project that is the root of the reseller encapsulates the contractual agreement….teh deployer can’t change it without breaking the contract | 18:15 |
| htruta | ayoung: ++ | 18:15 |
| dolphm | gabriel-bezerra: domains (or private projects) also provide an authorization boundary | 18:15 |
| joesavak | domains under domains for resellers make sense | 18:15 |
| gabriel-bezerra | can't we have just a project tree and keep domain something that points to a project? | 18:15 |
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| samuelms | henrynash, ++ | 18:15 |
| gabriel-bezerra | then domains will keep the roles and users | 18:15 |
| henrynash | ayoung: can you articulate said weirdness | 18:15 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, i think the wierdness is the part that isn't clear | 18:16 |
| jamielennox | the point was to make domains essentially a project with a flag to indicate some idp stuff, why does it matter if that comes below a project? | 18:16 |
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| gabriel-bezerra | jamielennox: ++ | 18:16 |
| henrynash | ayoung: in terms of inheritance from parent domains…the projects are essentially invisible up the tree | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, that was my view. | 18:16 |
| dolphm | the domain -> domain -> domain restriction provides a simplification that i'm a fan of - lower risk of security bugs :) | 18:16 |
| raildo | dolphm, i agree | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, i think the best approach since we decided that domain is not toggle-off-able | 18:16 |
| dolphm | it's also a constraint we can relax later | 18:16 |
| ayoung | dolphm, that is my feeling, too | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, is we make the constraint a check in 1 place | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | so it's super easy to relax if we need to. | 18:17 |
| samuelms | dolphm, ++ | 18:17 |
| joesavak | what's the constraint/restriction - a list of projects? | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | joesavak, that the parent of a domain can only be another domain | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | for now. | 18:18 |
| jamielennox | ok, i'd be happy with domain to domain as a starting point and let us figure out issues, then remove the check later | 18:18 |
| joesavak | ok | 18:18 |
| ayoung | henrynash, I think it comes down to being able to track who delegated to whom at the organizational level. Having a project between delegations doesn't really make sense to me. It also limites who can make a new domain | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | so you can't set the "domain flag" if the parent is a project | 18:18 |
| samuelms | joesavak, we implement like we allowed domains under projects .. but we block it with a constraint that could be easily removed later | 18:18 |
| joesavak | gotcha - thanks | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | but i say this only from the standpoint that "turning off" the domain flag is unlikely to be something we *really* want people to do | 18:18 |
| rodrigods | morganfainberg, you mean project becoming a domain and than back to project? | 18:19 |
| morganfainberg | rodrigods, correct | 18:19 |
| rodrigods | morganfainberg, yeah, wouldn't allow it | 18:19 |
| samuelms | morganfainberg, and then we delete that domain's users? | 18:19 |
| morganfainberg | rodrigods, so then domains can't be under projects ;) | 18:19 |
| morganfainberg | rodrigods to save headaches to start | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | we can loosen the restriction later | 18:20 |
| rodrigods | morganfainberg, ++ | 18:20 |
| samuelms | morganfainberg, ++ | 18:20 |
| henrynash | fine with that as a starting point | 18:20 |
| raildo | great :) | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | rodrigods, but i'd like to keep that limitation very isolated, so we can easily relax it if we want | 18:20 |
| rodrigods | morganfainberg, makes sense, we'll keep it in mind | 18:20 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, and my view is very much changed by the "immutable" domain flag. | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, thanks ;) | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | ok so... more HM! | 18:22 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: that was probably your idea 6 months ago anyway | 18:22 |
| htruta | just a point I was in doubt... will there be any difference from the top level domain (which we have today) and the others? | 18:22 |
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| bknudson | any action from the discussion? | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, not really? | 18:22 |
| dolphm | #agreed domains become projects in the backend | 18:22 |
| htruta | I mean.. the top domain will also be a "domained" project? | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ++ | 18:22 |
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| dolphm | #agreed but the parent of a domain must be another domain | 18:22 |
| raildo | bknudson, I'll put this in the Reseller Spec | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | htruta, the top level domains just have no parent | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | they are the same as any other domain in the system | 18:22 |
| dolphm | #agreed once a project is marked as a "domain", that attribute is immutable | 18:22 |
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| samuelms | morganfainberg, htruta and we return them when querying for v3 domains | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | samuelms: ++ | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | ok so. | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Hierarchical Multitenancy Improvements Spec | 18:23 |
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| htruta | samuelms, morganfainberg: that's what i Thought. tks | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135309/ | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | rodrigods, raildo, o/ | 18:23 |
| samuelms | htruta, np | 18:23 |
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| raildo | We need do start to review the HM spec for Kilo :) | 18:23 |
| raildo | kilo-1* | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | raildo, FYI, the spec deadline is Kilo-2. | 18:24 |
| rodrigods | yeah, there are some proposals that might need your input | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | but yes, we should review the specs sooner vs later | 18:24 |
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| raildo | morganfainberg, ok | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | the earlier the spec lands, the earlier you can work on the code :) | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | and know it's accepted. | 18:24 |
| raildo | morganfainberg, ++ | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | that is. | 18:24 |
| raildo | And will be great if we have the other patches related to the basic implementation about HM merged to kilo-1: | 18:24 |
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| samuelms | morganfainberg, and have a complete set of reseller features still in kilo | 18:24 |
| rodrigods | raildo, ++ | 18:24 |
| raildo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117786/ | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | samuelms, i would like to see that if possible. | 18:25 |
| rodrigods | samuelms, ++ | 18:25 |
| raildo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130277/ | 18:25 |
| raildo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117787/ | 18:25 |
| raildo | :d | 18:25 |
| raildo | :D | 18:25 |
| bknudson | can we get rid of the topic branch? | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, as soon as those merge and we resolve master merge | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, but yes we will get rid of the topic branch soon | 18:25 |
| rodrigods | morganfainberg, ++ | 18:25 |
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| rodrigods | morganfainberg, btw, htruta is working in the LDAP tests | 18:26 |
| rodrigods | will commit today/tomorrow | 18:26 |
| * morganfainberg is going to wedge a quick topic in the middle of the agenda here. | 18:26 | |
| htruta | morganfainberg, rodrigods: yes... those awkward tests hehe | 18:26 |
| henrynash | samulems, rodigods: did we resolve how we will check permission for resturns a hierarchy of projects? | 18:26 |
| henrynash | ? | 18:26 |
| bknudson | it seems like more work to keep the branch around | 18:27 |
| bknudson | and diverging | 18:27 |
| rodrigods | henrynash, using list_projects_for_user | 18:27 |
| bknudson | when we could just merge the branch back now as it is and move the reviews over to master. | 18:27 |
| rodrigods | when returning the refs | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, we're already diverged the current CRUD patch should merge shortly | 18:27 |
| raildo | bknudson, ++ | 18:27 |
| rodrigods | and returning a full hierarchy, when asking only for the ids | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, figure at this point we should just merge the 2 open on the topic and resovle the master merge | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, then all other work goes onto master | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, or at least the most recent one on the topic branch that has a reasonable history. | 18:28 |
| samuelms | rodrigods, ++ | 18:28 |
| rodrigods | henrynash, subtree_as_list returns the full project ref, but we omit the projects the user hasn't access to | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117786/ | 18:28 |
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| rodrigods | henrynash, subtree_ids (new spec) will return a dict with the hierarchy and only the ids | 18:29 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: we also need to resolve with the merge against the assognment split…ideally I’d have like the hieracical projects to land post-split - and am happy to help with the merge | 18:30 |
| rodrigods | we lost the rebase race :( | 18:30 |
| samuelms | henrynash, ++ | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | ok so lets do next topic | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | so we can get to assignment split | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | :) | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | #Topic Replace Extensions | 18:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Replace Extensions (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:30 | |
| morganfainberg | since we are talking about new functionality (HM+Reseller) | 18:31 |
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| morganfainberg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133809/ | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | please review the spec to reclassify experimental vs extensions | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | i'd like to see us move away from the extention terminology for new code / features / APIs | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | ok | 18:32 |
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| morganfainberg | #topic Functional Testing for Federation | 18:32 |
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| morganfainberg | vsilva, ol | 18:32 |
| samuelms | morganfainberg, ++ | 18:32 |
| henrynash | so apologies I haven’t produced a new version of the spec that takes into account all the new comments - I will do soon | 18:32 |
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| henrynash | (that was to replace extensions topic) | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, no worries. | 18:32 |
| vsilva | So, I remember a lot of people talking about improving testing for keystone, and that would be discussed on the summit. | 18:32 |
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| samuelms | vsilva, o/ | 18:33 |
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| vsilva | I asked around and you don't seem to have decided anything. Shouldn't we start to move in that direction? I know for a fact that one important part of keystone doesn't have real testing (federation) | 18:33 |
| dstanek | vsilva: i've started understanding all of the infra pieces for this | 18:33 |
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| vsilva | marekd, ^ | 18:33 |
| dstanek | there is a general community direction that i've been following - it's not Keystone specific | 18:34 |
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| morganfainberg | vsilva, i am working on some local env so i can help with the federation testing | 18:34 |
| vsilva | cool, dstanek. I'd love to help | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, ++ | 18:34 |
| dstanek | my goal is to get the right infra things rigged up before turkey day | 18:34 |
| samuelms | dstanek, to put functional tests on tempest? | 18:34 |
| bknudson | we're supposed to get all of the functional keystone tests out of tempest | 18:34 |
| vsilva | morganfainberg, great | 18:34 |
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| dstanek | vsilva: i'm not actually writing the tests though - at least not yet - just making the place for them to go | 18:34 |
| vsilva | yeah samuelms the idea is that QA shouldn't be responsible for all of that | 18:35 |
| dstanek | samuelms: out of tempest and into keystone | 18:35 |
| dolphm | tempest folks realized that tempest doesn't scale if it houses all the tests for everything ever | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | i talked to mtreinish about this at the summit and since | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | we can move things out of tempest, but there is going to be a delay on getting those tests dropped from tempest | 18:35 |
| mtreinish | morganfainberg: what did I do? | 18:35 |
| mtreinish | oh functional testing stuff | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | they don't have the metrics yet to apply the policy of "tests haven't failed" | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | mtreinish, yep | 18:36 |
| samuelms | mtreinish, yes | 18:36 |
| dstanek | vsilva: marekd: missing_stevemar: it would be up to you guys to write the tests :-) | 18:36 |
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| morganfainberg | so we *should* move the tests, but we will be waiting for them to actually drop from tempest - for $reasons$ | 18:36 |
| vsilva | dstanek, great. I'm sure marekd will also be happy to help. | 18:36 |
| bknudson | dstanek: so do you think there'd be a special config that sets up keystone in federated config? | 18:36 |
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| bknudson | I assume devstack doesn't support setting up federation | 18:36 |
| dstanek | bknudson: yes | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i *hear* we have multi-node gate on the horizon | 18:36 |
| lbragstad | dstanek: we have to do it with devstack hooks right? | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | so.. i would assume a special environment that does federation and k2k. | 18:37 |
| bknudson | it's going to require a saml provider... what's going to do that? | 18:37 |
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| dstanek | lbragstad: that's the way i'm doing it now | 18:37 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, either something contrived *or* see if we can coerce IPA [soon to work on ubuntu**] to issue SAML | 18:37 |
| dstanek | ideally we'll be able to support an infinite amount of federation setups to test against...maybe not infinite | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i am also looking for someone to help us gate ADFS Saml -> keystone | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | but it's a challenge | 18:38 |
| bknudson | this is going to be great | 18:39 |
| bknudson | we seem to have dropped the testing section from the spec template | 18:39 |
| dolphm | bknudson: you can still add one | 18:39 |
| samuelms | morganfainberg, cool .. Where do the roles go? | 18:40 |
| samuelms | p | 18:40 |
| samuelms | :p | 18:40 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, IPA is not going to issues SAML | 18:40 |
| ayoung | Ipisilon is | 18:40 |
| rodrigods | ayoung, ++ | 18:41 |
| ayoung | https://git.fedorahosted.org/git/ipsilon.git | 18:41 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, that-project-you-guys-have-that-i-cant-keep-track-of-yet | 18:41 |
| ayoung | https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/ipsilon.git/tree/README | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | ;) | 18:41 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, it is baiscally our teams effort to provide a SAML provider on top of exising LDAP services | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, sounds good. | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | either case, we will find a way to issue assertions | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, you here? | 18:42 |
| ayoung | #link https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/ipsilon.git/tree/README | 18:42 |
| henrynash | yrs | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, ready for the fun topic? | 18:42 |
| henrynash | yes, even | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, thanks! | 18:42 |
| henrynash | hit it | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Splitting the assignment component: Where do the roles go? | 18:42 |
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| samuelms | o/ | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130954/ | 18:43 |
| ayoung | roles go with domains | 18:43 |
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| henrynash | (sung to the tune of “who let the dogs out) | 18:43 |
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| rodrigods | ayoung, roles and domains are close friends now :) | 18:43 |
| henrynash | so I posted the details of the questions that is up in the air to the dev mailing listr | 18:43 |
| henrynash | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-November/051481.html) | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, i want to start with saying we should really *not* do per-domain-assignment-mapping-enginers | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, that is setting off every single one of the *this is an awful idea* bells when i read it | 18:44 |
| henrynash | …and if I’m honest, I don’t really know if anyone would want to :-) | 18:44 |
| samuelms | morganfainberg, ++ for this | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, so lets leave that off the table. | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, we can circle back later if there is a case for it | 18:44 |
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| ayoung | henrynash, what was the name of the email | 18:45 |
| ayoung | disregard | 18:45 |
| henrynash | so to catch everyone up, the issue is do role definitions fo in the “resource” or “assignment” piece of the split | 18:45 |
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| samuelms | henrynash, morganfainberg if we'd go for putting roles out of resource ... that could be a fourth backend called 'conectors' .. where we should put attributes for rbac (for eg) | 18:45 |
| raildo | ayoung, [openstack-dev] [Keystone] Splitting up the assignment component | 18:45 |
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| bknudson | how about have a backend for roles? | 18:45 |
| samuelms | bknudson, ^++ | 18:45 |
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| ayoung | henrynash, I think that there are two types | 18:45 |
| ayoung | henrynash, one is capabilites, and reusable groups of capabilities | 18:45 |
| henrynash | one bit of info that is not in my mail is that today assignment manager does NOT map the role IDs into Names/Refs for token generation | 18:46 |
| ayoung | that exists outside the domain abstraction | 18:46 |
| ayoung | second is the private roles...those go with domains | 18:46 |
| samuelms | bknudson, what I just said .. 'conectors' backend .. things we use to link actors to targets through the engine 'assignment' | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, lets leave the "private" role bit to the side here. | 18:46 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, no...lets keep it in the discussion, but deprioritize it for implementation | 18:46 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: so teh assignment manager returns role_ids to the token provdiers and they map this into roel names | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i think that is largely orthogonal in this case. | 18:46 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, I wish that were the case. I don't really think they are the same thing | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, for the sake of this conversation, they are. because they muddy things up a lot to start | 18:47 |
| ayoung | so...lets at least ack that they exist, and need to be treated differently than the current set of roles | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, lets come back to them | 18:47 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, so, the other side is capabilities | 18:48 |
| ayoung | we start at the bottom with the unified policy discussion | 18:48 |
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| samuelms | what about having a fourth backend to put roles/addition attributes (in the case of abac) .. | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, you're still tightly coupled across thes systems. | 18:48 |
| ayoung | samuelms, you have a link for your work on that? | 18:48 |
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| morganfainberg | samuelms, i don't think another backend will actually help here. | 18:48 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: how so? | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, the assignment backend still needs to know the role ids. | 18:49 |
| ayoung | I think that it might make sense to put them with policy | 18:49 |
| rodrigods | ayoung, really? | 18:49 |
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| ayoung | yes | 18:49 |
| samuelms | ayoung, about the fourth backend ? just thought about this .. | 18:49 |
| ayoung | rodrigods, it follows from this: | 18:49 |
| ayoung | policy is built up from capabilites. Roles are the intermediate state | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, can we back up | 18:50 |
| henrynash | morgainfainberg: as it does project_ids and user_ids | 18:50 |
| ayoung | now, our current policy backend treats policy as a blob | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, waaay backup | 18:50 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, if people here have not yet read http://adam.younglogic.com/2014/11/dynamic-policy-in-keystone/ they should | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, and we aren't takling policy here | 18:50 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, so, lets stay a bit more focused | 18:50 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, roles are policy | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, no they are not. | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, we are talking about what is occuring *before* policy | 18:51 |
| henrynash | morgainfainberg: i guess that’s teh crux of my argument….assignments is a mapping between entities that are defined elsewere….and is there a real argument that role is any different than user, group, project or domain? | 18:51 |
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| morganfainberg | the changes henrynash is advocating should work in both cases current and/or new policy stuff | 18:51 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: agreed | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, this is where does that info go. | 18:52 |
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| rodrigods | morganfainberg, ++ | 18:52 |
| samuelms | henrynash, roles are the connectors between identity and resources .. I still think we should put that in a fourth backend | 18:52 |
| ayoung | without understanding where we are heading it is just busy work | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, so lets focus there and we can expand to policy which is next logical step | 18:52 |
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| stevemar | o/ (sorry, for being crazy late) | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, i think roles are a construct of your assignment backend. | 18:53 |
| henrynash | samuelms: so let’s concentarting on deciding IF they should be with assignments…if not, then that’s a separate discussion of where they do go | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, my concern here is the deisgn is falling into the SQL trap - we use SQL so we design for SQL. | 18:53 |
| ayoung | OK, so let me agree with Henry. The assignments backend should be pulling in roles from somewhere else. And that somewhere else should be the policy backend. | 18:53 |
| samuelms | henrynash, ++ | 18:53 |
| gabriel-bezerra | I like ayoung's idea of policy and roles being tightly coupled. | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | if we're ok with that, and we realize we're locking things in | 18:53 |
| bknudson | I thought the point was to make it so you don't need SQL for role assignments? | 18:53 |
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| morganfainberg | i'm trying to see what i'm missing from the where roles go | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | so we're adding another layer of rule XXX maps to role Y | 18:54 |
| stevemar | if the role assignments are pluggable, the roles should be too | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | when then gets transformed into role-named-y? | 18:54 |
| bknudson | if your role assignment backend doesn't need defined roles then you don't have to create any | 18:54 |
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| morganfainberg | why should we need the extra step? | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, ^ i think that's my question | 18:54 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, we kindof have that layer already, though | 18:55 |
| ayoung | is_admin and _admin_or_owner are poorly named versions of that | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | how do you know what the answer from assignment is to the role | 18:55 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, please reask | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, are we really creating 2 extra systems here? | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | assigment gives an answer of attributes turn into X | 18:55 |
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| morganfainberg | then we need to now know that X is really resource / role / actor combo | 18:56 |
| samuelms | morganfainberg, henrynash if we have abac ... where should we put attributes? | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | so, all we're doing ehre is making an extra abstraction to process something? | 18:56 |
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| morganfainberg | i'm not seeing how the role-assignment backend works / adds value if all it's doing is adding an extra layer that we largely do all the same work we're doing now | 18:57 |
| ayoung | samuelms, attributes come from multiple sources. They all end up in the auth ref and get processed by the policy engine | 18:57 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: but are we? teh support for roleID<->RoleRef is just encoding the particualr policy language taht teh otehr servcies expect…..I’m not sure that’s realated to the realtionships between the entities | 18:57 |
| ayoung | what Keystone does is RBAC on top of ABAC | 18:57 |
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| ayoung | ABAC is the mechanism. RBAC is the organizational scheme | 18:57 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, ++ | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, so how does this work? | 18:57 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, Ok...so let me give you a concrete example | 18:58 |
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| ayoung | lets say we have a single sign on system that allows us to manage hosts | 18:58 |
| ayoung | think something like an IDP, but for machines | 18:58 |
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| samuelms | ayoung, not sure .. if we think in sets .. abac contains rbac, right? | 18:58 |
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| ayoung | maybe something that does secure DNS, etc | 18:58 |
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| ayoung | now, Keystone is going to map users from an idp to host access | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | (2minutes) | 18:58 |
| ayoung | the hosts are inside of groups that we could use as proejcts | 18:58 |
| henrynash | morgainfainberg: role-assignment backend IS the relationship bit, the resource bit is the translation into what the other parts of opemstac understand | 18:58 |
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| ayoung | so we pull in the projects from this system as a domain, but here it is providing the projects, not the users | 18:59 |
| samuelms | henrynash, ++ | 18:59 |
| ayoung | keystone then provides a management layer to map users to those projects...users from multiple IdPs | 18:59 |
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| ayoung | So keystone needs to keep the definition of Roles separate from the projects themselves | 19:00 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, we're going to need to continue in -keystone | 19:00 |
| gabriel-bezerra | 7pm UTC | 19:00 |
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| ayoung | cus, in this case, the projects might be every bit as immutable as users out of LDAP | 19:00 |
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| morganfainberg | please continue in #openstack-keystone | 19:00 |
| ayoung | I'll take it up there | 19:00 |
| morganfainberg | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 25 19:00:49 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-11-25-18.05.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-11-25-18.05.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-11-25-18.05.log.html | 19:00 |
| morganfainberg | fungi, all yours! | 19:01 |
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| fungi | morganfainberg: i'll let jeblair do the honors this week if he likes ;) | 19:01 |
| clarkb | ohai | 19:01 |
| AJaeger_ | hi | 19:01 |
| mordred | heyho | 19:01 |
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| nibalizer | o/ | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 25 19:01:53 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| mmedvede | o/ | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:02 |
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| krtaylor | o/ | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 19:02 |
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| jesusaurus | o/ | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #link last meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-11-18-19.02.html | 19:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 19:02 |
| asselin | o/ | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:03 |
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| fungi | there are going to be a lot of these i actioned to myself and was then too lazy to get around to | 19:03 |
| * fungi wears hat of shame | 19:03 | |
| jeblair | clarkb figure out gerrit per project third party voting ACLs and third party accounts via openid | 19:03 |
| clarkb | I have a document on that | 19:03 |
| clarkb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/third-party-openid-accounts | 19:03 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:04 |
| clarkb | I actually don't think ACLs need to cahnge at least in the first iteration | 19:04 |
| clarkb | instead we can do this all purely with gerrit groups | 19:04 |
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| fungi | agreed, that could be left to a future improvement | 19:04 |
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| clarkb | to maintain the current status quo of voting rights | 19:04 |
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| clarkb | then in the future individual projects could update their acls as I describe there to get a more restricted thing | 19:04 |
| clarkb | comments and feedback welcome | 19:04 |
| timrc | belated o/ | 19:04 |
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| sweston | o/ | 19:05 |
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| jedimike | o/ | 19:06 |
| jeblair | that seems reasonable.... | 19:06 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:06 |
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| jeblair | should we have the testers group owned by a group that is empowered to help manage third-party ci systems? | 19:06 |
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| fungi | yes | 19:06 |
| jeblair | testers _groups_ i guess | 19:06 |
| fungi | i think that group already exists | 19:06 |
| jeblair | oh, they are owned by $project-ptl in the proposal | 19:07 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/440,members | 19:07 |
| jeblair | but project-ptl desn't exist | 19:07 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ya my initial propsal figured project-ptl could do that | 19:07 |
| clarkb | er release | 19:07 |
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| clarkb | but that can be changed | 19:07 |
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| fungi | oh, right, for the "no longer managed by infra" group membership | 19:07 |
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| fungi | which was the down-the-road part of your proposal | 19:08 |
| clarkb | I don't think those groups should be self owned | 19:08 |
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| fungi | agreed | 19:08 |
| jeblair | yeah, having them owned by the ptl or core makes sense... | 19:08 |
| fungi | they should explicitly _not_ be self-owned | 19:08 |
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| jeblair | but then there's no way for third-party coordinators to assist in managing them | 19:08 |
| jeblair | maybe that's a feature :) | 19:08 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I think thats a good thing | 19:09 |
| clarkb | imo this is a project thing | 19:09 |
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| fungi | yeah, i think that's the end state | 19:09 |
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| clarkb | pushing as much of the work into the projects as possible is a good thing | 19:09 |
| jeblair | i expect that there will be less consistency around naming, behavior, etc. | 19:09 |
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| fungi | infra gerrit admins can still step in to "fix" things which the ptl (or delegates) cannot | 19:09 |
| jeblair | true | 19:09 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: oh also | 19:10 |
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| clarkb | I haven;t tested this but it would be neat if we could give ownership of the larger third party groups to say the third party manager group | 19:10 |
| clarkb | then they can have at least some large level hammer tools | 19:11 |
| fungi | that's doable | 19:11 |
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| jeblair | but what could they do with that? | 19:11 |
| mordred | manage things | 19:11 |
| clarkb | jeblair: remove $project-testers from groups | 19:11 |
| jeblair | only remove an entire $project-testers group, right? | 19:11 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ya | 19:11 |
| krtaylor | what was the third-party manager group? | 19:11 |
| clarkb | so its not super useful but potentially a thing | 19:11 |
| jeblair | that's a really big hammer -- "disable third-party testing for an entire project" | 19:11 |
| jeblair | "disable _all_ third-party testing for an entire project" | 19:12 |
| jeblair | though perhaps the reverse is useful | 19:12 |
| jeblair | "enable any third-party testing for an entire project" :) | 19:12 |
| jeblair | that alone is probably reason enough to do it | 19:12 |
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| jeblair | krtaylor: right now it's anteaya, and she can make accounts voting or not by changing group membership | 19:13 |
| krtaylor | right, ok | 19:13 |
| jeblair | krtaylor: though that has been of limited use because most issues have warrented entirely disabling the account anyway | 19:13 |
| fungi | i'm also unsure the non-voting group is relevant in the new order? | 19:13 |
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| jeblair | fungi: maybe less so, i guess? if there is less that is special about a ci account, then there's probably less reason to keep a list of them | 19:14 |
| krtaylor | yes, we had proposed that we "help" that process by some third-party peer team reviewing whether a system was ready to be re-enabled | 19:14 |
| clarkb | fungi: oh ya it would be | 19:14 |
| clarkb | er would be redundant | 19:14 |
| fungi | if the workflow is that a third-party ci operator creates a gerrit account for their system and then at some later date requests addition into the group enabling verify voting, there will be more than a few out there which don't identify themselves initially (or ever if they don't get around to requesting voting status) | 19:15 |
| fungi | and so we won't really be tracking them, in that case, i don't think | 19:15 |
| jeblair | krtaylor: so does this seem workable? | 19:16 |
| clarkb | ya I think we can remove the nonvoting group | 19:16 |
| krtaylor | there are cases where a system doesnt need voting status | 19:16 |
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| krtaylor | but I think that might be ok | 19:16 |
| clarkb | krtaylor: right but you get that for free | 19:16 |
| krtaylor | right | 19:16 |
| krtaylor | although, it can still need to be disabled due to spam, but that is not limited | 19:17 |
| fungi | oh, i guess the one place where the non-voting group currently has something conveyed by an acl is voting on the sandbox repo | 19:17 |
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| jeblair | should we have the third-party managers group manage the sandbox-testers group? | 19:17 |
| fungi | krtaylor: infra gerrit admins still have to disable/enable accounts if they're commenting on projects which want them to stop | 19:18 |
| clarkb | we could have an acl that allows registered users to +/-1 on sandbox | 19:18 |
| clarkb | or jeblair's suggestion | 19:18 |
| fungi | i was thinking the latter, yeah | 19:18 |
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| fungi | all registered users | 19:18 |
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| krtaylor | fungi, right, just thinking it through | 19:18 |
| jeblair | i'm okay with that -- though requesting voting on sandbox gets you interaction with the third party managers group | 19:18 |
| jeblair | though maybe they don't want that interaction :) | 19:18 |
| krtaylor | hehheh | 19:18 |
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| fungi | the other question i have, is whether this is something we can press forward with soon and then redirect all the pending new account requests to this new workflow? | 19:19 |
| clarkb | so let me rewrite the proposals to remove nonvoting and suggest registered users get +/- verified on sandbox | 19:19 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | +1 to let all users vote on sandbox | 19:19 |
| clarkb | then we can argue over those refinements (I don't want to spend too much time on this in this meeting) | 19:19 |
| clarkb | fungi: I think we can | 19:19 |
| fungi | sounds good | 19:20 |
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| clarkb | since gerrit group creation can be scripted and old accounts can be given time to move | 19:20 |
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| fungi | maybe i should send a message to the third-party-announce list saying that we've been overwhelmed with requests but have a plan to make it self-service in the very near future | 19:20 |
| jeblair | i think if we do want to do all registered users, we should add a new repo | 19:21 |
| jeblair | i think sandbox should look like what most people see for code review training purposes | 19:21 |
| jeblair | so shall we ask clarkb to take the etherpad and turn it into a patch to the ci.o.o third party docs? | 19:21 |
| jeblair | oh wmow lag | 19:21 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ya I can do that | 19:21 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ++ to that and sandbox | 19:21 |
| jeblair | cool | 19:21 |
| clarkb | we can make a ci-sandbox repo | 19:21 |
| clarkb | where the rules are different | 19:21 |
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| jeblair | sounds good | 19:21 |
| clarkb | I can start putting that together | 19:21 |
| fungi | wfm | 19:21 |
| krtaylor | sounds good | 19:22 |
| jeblair | #action clarkb propose self-service third-party accounts to ci docs | 19:22 |
| jeblair | fungi draft initial third-party liaisons description, to later be amended as needed before publication | 19:22 |
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| jeblair | so a related action from last week... how does this relate? | 19:22 |
| krtaylor | I'll bring it up in the next meeting also | 19:22 |
| fungi | yeah, didn't get around to it. though now maybe those actually become the ptl delegates who manage voting control | 19:22 |
| krtaylor | third-party meeing that is | 19:22 |
| krtaylor | meeting | 19:22 |
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| jeblair | krtaylor: cool, thanks | 19:22 |
| jeblair | fungi: yeah... though if we want the ptl to delegate, perhaps we really should create a new group | 19:23 |
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| clarkb | thats simple to do as well | 19:24 |
| fungi | jeblair: i expect that in at least nova and neutron (possibly also cinder) cases it will not be the ptl doing it directly | 19:24 |
| jeblair | fungi: it does seem like from a personnel pov, the third-party liason should be the one managing the group | 19:24 |
| clarkb | maybe start with release and if mikal yells we can make a new group | 19:24 |
| fungi | we could refer to them as liaisons but i think they wouldn't really be liaisoning with infra much if any in that case | 19:24 |
| fungi | though i could certainly be wrong | 19:25 |
| jeblair | clarkb: that sounds good; easy enough to change, especially since there's no complicated acls (yet) | 19:25 |
| clarkb | yup | 19:25 |
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| jeblair | fungi, clarkb: so this topic is still relevant in that we do need to communicate with the projects about this new responsibility | 19:25 |
| fungi | but like the cross-projects liaisons it defaults to the ptl i think | 19:26 |
| fungi | jeblair: yep. still a valid action item, and i'll work on messaging for it | 19:26 |
| jeblair | so maybe when we have this ready to go, we just need to make a nice message to the list and point to the ci docs | 19:26 |
| clarkb | ya an email to the dev list would be good too | 19:26 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:26 |
| fungi | we might or might not want to actually use the word liaison but regardless, still need to have something written | 19:26 |
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| fungi | #action fungi draft messaging to communicate the new third-party account process | 19:27 |
| jeblair | fungi nibalizer get pip and github modules split out | 19:27 |
| fungi | still on my plate to work with nibalizer on | 19:27 |
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| fungi | #action fungi nibalizer get pip and github modules split out | 19:28 |
| jeblair | fungi: is this extra complicated? | 19:28 |
| fungi | jeblair: the pip one needs a push --force to update it since the project creation got approved while the upstream split wasn't in sync with system-config | 19:29 |
| nibalizer | fungi: when you're ready | 19:29 |
| jeblair | ok | 19:29 |
| nibalizer | fungi: i dont think thats actually true | 19:29 |
| fungi | nibalizer: after this meeting is good if you're around | 19:29 |
| nibalizer | (pip being out of date) | 19:29 |
| fungi | nibalizer: oh, is it possibly still in shape? | 19:29 |
| nibalizer | but we can talk after meeting | 19:29 |
| fungi | sounds good | 19:29 |
| jeblair | fungi push puppet-apache 0.0.4 into puppet-httpd master | 19:30 |
| nibalizer | the two commits its 'missing' reverted each other so.... | 19:30 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: nice! | 19:30 |
| fungi | jeblair: that one's done, so i guess i didn't completely sit on my thumbs since last meeting | 19:30 |
| jeblair | fungi refresh storyboard imports and lock lp bugs | 19:30 |
| jeblair | krotscheck announce infra projects migration to storyboard | 19:30 |
| jeblair | i think those all happened, ya? | 19:30 |
| fungi | jeblair: also done and done | 19:30 |
| mordred | I saw that announcement | 19:30 |
| clarkb | yup | 19:30 |
| jeblair | #topic Priority Specs | 19:31 |
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| jeblair | #link story types spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129267/ | 19:31 |
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| jeblair | i'd like to bring this storyboard spec to everyone's attention as it's a pretty significant aspect of storyboard that i think a lot of us have an interest in | 19:31 |
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| jeblair | so if you have a moment, please review :) | 19:32 |
| fungi | thanks! | 19:32 |
| jeblair | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:32 |
| mordred | in the list | 19:32 |
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| jeblair | #topic Priority Efforts (Swift logs) | 19:32 |
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| fungi | i think this is still pending jhesketh doing some performance analysis, unless he has updates i haven't seen? | 19:33 |
| clarkb | he is afk this week back next iirc | 19:33 |
| mordred | I believe our cinder issue last week elevated the importance of this one in my eyes | 19:33 |
| jeblair | k, let's skip then | 19:33 |
| clarkb | he posted a blog with numbers prior to summit though | 19:33 |
| fungi | mordred: agreed | 19:33 |
| clarkb | but ya much easier to talk about when he is back | 19:33 |
| mordred | yup | 19:33 |
| jeblair | yeah, i think at the summit he said that he's comfortable moving on | 19:34 |
| jeblair | so i _think_ the status may be "start doing it" :) | 19:34 |
| mordred | sweet | 19:34 |
| fungi | pull trigger | 19:34 |
| clarkb | we do need to get the jenkins plugin to upload post job everywher | 19:34 |
| mordred | are we thinking we might write a thing to upload our old logs to swift? | 19:34 |
| clarkb | we are still blockign on that iirc | 19:34 |
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| clarkb | mordred: no, I think we just let them die on the vine | 19:34 |
| jeblair | clarkb: oh, how so? | 19:34 |
| mordred | clarkb: ok | 19:34 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: is there a change to add it? | 19:34 |
| clarkb | jeblair: the way its done today is a build script. if job fials no log uploads | 19:34 |
| fungi | mordred: clarkb: yeah, 4-6 months and they'll be gone anyway | 19:35 |
| clarkb | jeblair: so you need a post build action to run the script | 19:35 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yeah, there was a plugin that looked like what we wanted | 19:35 |
| clarkb | yes iirc there is a change to add it | 19:35 |
| clarkb | so we need that in then restart all the jenkinses | 19:35 |
| clarkb | then update jobs to use it and retest | 19:35 |
| jeblair | we should link to that in the agenda so we know it's a priority review :) | 19:35 |
| fungi | can you find a link for that change and i'll have a look this afternoon | 19:35 |
| clarkb | let me find it | 19:35 |
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| jeblair | that would be a nice present for jhesketh's return | 19:36 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133179/ | 19:36 |
| fungi | indeedy | 19:36 |
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| fungi | thanks clarkb | 19:36 |
| jeblair | cool | 19:36 |
| jeblair | #topic Priority Efforts (Puppet module split) | 19:36 |
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| jeblair | asselin: do you have your spec change handy? | 19:37 |
| sweston | I have been working with asselin this week to create the scripts for the puppet module split. I have a script running live on github right now. | 19:37 |
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| pleia2 | nice | 19:37 |
| sweston | asselin: had to step out, I can field any questions | 19:37 |
| krtaylor | mmedvede, ^^^ | 19:38 |
| jeblair | i was just looking for the review we were talking about earlier | 19:38 |
| jeblair | oh this one | 19:38 |
| sweston | spec is here: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/puppet-modules.html | 19:38 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135452/ | 19:38 |
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| clarkb | nibalizer: has a change that I think we should get in first | 19:39 |
| clarkb | because it reduces the number of changes to system-config for each split | 19:39 |
| jeblair | so that looks good except i think we should remove the word "READ:" because i think it's silly to tell people to read something | 19:39 |
| jeblair | clarkb: link? | 19:39 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134723/ | 19:39 |
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| clarkb | (where first is relative to other system-config changes, the spec is independent) | 19:40 |
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| jeblair | okay, so we should review both of those | 19:40 |
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| jeblair | i agreed to merge some changes this afternoon, should i postpone that until after 134723 lands then? | 19:41 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: imo yes | 19:41 |
| jeblair | ok | 19:41 |
| clarkb | we have identified a cuase of headache in the process and have a fix for that headache we should do that first | 19:41 |
| fungi | i'll make a point of digging into 134723 first thing after the meeting and then we can rebase the pending changes | 19:41 |
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| jeblair | sweston: thanks for writing that script | 19:42 |
| jeblair | #link https://github.com/Triniplex/puppet-module-split/blob/master/module_split.sh | 19:42 |
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| sweston | jeblair: you bet | 19:42 |
| jeblair | should we add that to the system-config repo in tools/? | 19:42 |
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| sweston | I think it would be a useful addition | 19:43 |
| clarkb | wfm | 19:43 |
| jeblair | sweston: if you want to relicense to apache2 and propose it, i think it would be welcome :) | 19:43 |
| fungi | i would certainly welcome it | 19:43 |
| sweston | jeblair: sure, I only used that license because it's the one we use for specs ;-) | 19:43 |
| mordred | I think it's a super useful script! | 19:44 |
| sweston | fungi: jeblair I will propose it to the repo | 19:44 |
| sweston | mordred: thanks | 19:44 |
| jeblair | heh, yeah, i thought about specs, but i think it's a bit too long for direct inclusion there, may as well put it in with the code :) | 19:44 |
| fungi | thanks sweston! | 19:44 |
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| jeblair | #topic Priority Efforts (Storyboard migration) | 19:45 |
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| sweston | fungi: welcome | 19:45 |
| krotscheck | Seems to be done. | 19:45 |
| mordred | woot | 19:45 |
| jeblair | yep! | 19:45 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-November/051117.html | 19:45 |
| jeblair | anything we should talk about? feedback so far? | 19:45 |
| mordred | I'd check but my internet sucks - what came of the openstack-ci/openstack-infra discussion? | 19:45 |
| clarkb | if you lose network connectivity storyboard doesn't really let you know about that | 19:46 |
| sweston | lol | 19:46 |
| clarkb | whcih may be important for people like mordred | 19:46 |
| fungi | i (or someone) needs to remember to periodically refresh system-config until we can close down openstack-ci bugs | 19:46 |
| clarkb | thats the only thing I have really noticed | 19:46 |
| jeblair | fungi: are people filing bugs there? | 19:46 |
| jeblair | i mean, non e-r bugs | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | yeah, some | 19:46 |
| fungi | jeblair: i think one came in just before the meeting | 19:47 |
| fungi | sudo storyboard-migrate --from-project openstack-ci --to-project openstack-infra/system-config --auto-increment 2000000 | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | (I still get email notifications that I pay attention to :)) | 19:47 |
| fungi | for reference | 19:47 |
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| krotscheck | It’s a bit hard to see new tickets though. | 19:47 |
| clarkb | also organization of bugs is a little bit hard | 19:47 |
| clarkb | ya that | 19:47 |
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| jeblair | fungi, pleia2: should we mark all non e-r bugs in lp as invalid? | 19:47 |
| fungi | krotscheck: do we need to increase --auto-increment each time we run it to be higher than the most recently non-imported new bug number? | 19:48 |
| jeblair | (or will that mess up the sync?) | 19:48 |
| pleia2 | fungi has been marking Won't Fix I think | 19:48 |
| fungi | jeblair: they will get imported | 19:48 |
| fungi | pleia2: i haven't been | 19:48 |
| pleia2 | fungi: oh, maybe just some new ones I saw? | 19:48 |
| fungi | i don't think it will mess up the sync per se | 19:48 |
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| fungi | we'll just wind up importing an invalid/won't fix/whatever copy of a bug we asked someone to refile in storyboard | 19:49 |
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| jeblair | well, we're probably just going to have to live with it for a while no matter what we do | 19:50 |
| fungi | agreed | 19:50 |
| clarkb | could we set up a new lp tracker for e-r | 19:50 |
| clarkb | then shutdown openstack-ci? | 19:50 |
| jeblair | is it useful to keep this topic on the agenda, or should we drop it? | 19:50 |
| jeblair | clarkb: problem is, the best name for that is 'openstack-ci'. | 19:51 |
| fungi | mtreinish and jogo indicated a willingness to help switch e-r over to a different lp project for bug tracking | 19:51 |
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| mordred | clarkb: I thought that was the original plan and that we'd liked the name 'openstack-gate' | 19:51 |
| fungi | if we decide that's the appropriate route | 19:51 |
| clarkb | or add e-r support for storyboard | 19:51 |
| mordred | which is why this: https://launchpad.net/openstack-gate was made | 19:51 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: it actually doesn't make a difference which project the bugs against | 19:52 |
| mordred | when we were sitting in the room in paris hacking on this | 19:52 |
| mtreinish | it looks them up by number | 19:52 |
| clarkb | I think we keep the topic open if we intend on doing one of these things otherwise we shouldn't need it | 19:52 |
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| krotscheck | fungi:: No need to update the autoinfrement after the first time | 19:52 |
| jeblair | mordred: oh i must have been running around at the time :) | 19:52 |
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| fungi | i think it's probably safe to drop this topic from the priority efforts agenda and just raise it as a normal meeting topic when there are updates we need to discuss | 19:53 |
| jeblair | anyone opposed to moving e-r to openstack-gate and closing openstack-ci? | 19:53 |
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| fungi | krotscheck: okay, does continuing to set it break anything? | 19:53 |
| krotscheck | fungi: Nope. | 19:53 |
| fungi | jeblair: i'm in favor | 19:53 |
| fungi | krotscheck: thanks | 19:53 |
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| jeblair | i assume clarkb is as well so | 19:53 |
| clarkb | I think we should do that | 19:53 |
| clarkb | yup | 19:54 |
| fungi | jeblair: i think it would help cut down on infra-proper bugs getting filed on lp now | 19:54 |
| AJaeger_ | jeblair: go ahead | 19:54 |
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| jeblair | #agreed close openstack-ci and move e-r to use openstack-gate | 19:54 |
| jeblair | who wants to own that? :) | 19:54 |
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| fungi | i'll volunteer since i already handled the others | 19:54 |
| jeblair | #action fungi close openstack-ci and move e-r to use openstack-gate | 19:55 |
| fungi | #action fungi work with jogo/mtreinish on a plan to switch elastic-recheck to a new lp project | 19:55 |
| fungi | #undo | 19:55 |
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| jeblair | #topic Priority Efforts (Nodepool DIB) | 19:55 |
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| jeblair | we opened a can of worms with this one | 19:55 |
| clarkb | so this moved forward then rolled back | 19:55 |
| clarkb | ya | 19:55 |
| mordred | ya | 19:55 |
| mordred | on my todo list for today is to attack booting dib images in rackspace | 19:56 |
| fungi | though first we need to get a handle on whether we can run nodepool on trusty safely | 19:56 |
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| jeblair | i think our current plan for the centos7 issue is: fix async io in gear; move zuul to it; try trusty nodepool with that | 19:56 |
| clarkb | so there are several concurrent things happening here | 19:56 |
| jeblair | and separately is the thing mordred is working on | 19:56 |
| mordred | yah | 19:56 |
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| clarkb | there is the thing jeblair describes. the thing mordred describes then a set of changes yolanda and I have written to make nodepool generally better with dib | 19:57 |
| mordred | I mean, dib or no dib, figuring out nodepool on trusty is important | 19:57 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130878/ | 19:57 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126747/ | 19:57 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137110/2 | 19:57 |
| fungi | especially since we have a bug and i don't think it's trusty's fault, that's just where we happen to have observed it emerge | 19:57 |
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| mordred | yup | 19:58 |
| jeblair | i'm planning on digging into the gear io issue this afternoon | 19:58 |
| mordred | did anyone see the thing I wrote in -infra about my intended approach for network on rax? | 19:58 |
| jeblair | mordred: i did not; last i saw was you were looking into options | 19:58 |
| mordred | essentially - put in an init script that tries to mount a config drive partition if it's there, and if it is able to do that and there is network information in the config drive instance, replace the DHCP config with static config based on what's pulled from config drive. if there isn't a config drive, then fail with no error | 19:58 |
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| clarkb | mordred: that won't work | 19:59 |
| mordred | so that way we can control whether we need for network to be dealt with by enabling config drive on instance boot | 19:59 |
| mordred | clarkb: why not? | 19:59 |
| clarkb | because the cloud drive doesn't have the correct data | 19:59 |
| clarkb | per johnthetubaguy | 19:59 |
| mordred | I dont' believe that's what he said | 19:59 |
| clarkb | also there is no dhcp in rax fwiw | 19:59 |
| jeblair | mordred: does hp support config drive, or are they dhcp only? | 19:59 |
| fungi | right, we'd need to inspect the configdrive content to see if the network details are included and fall back on something else if not | 19:59 |
| mordred | I believe what he said was that they did not have a mechanism to use config-drive to set the network info | 19:59 |
| mordred | but I'm going to explore this empirically today | 20:00 |
| mordred | and not depend on something I've heard | 20:00 |
| jeblair | mordred: ++ thanks! | 20:00 |
| fungi | i looked at what's on rax's configdrive currently and they don't include the network configuration, but they do still have configdrive working | 20:00 |
| clarkb | mordred: I guess I don't understand your fallback case | 20:00 |
| mordred | jeblair: hp supports config drive, but I do not believe we need to sue it there | 20:00 |
| clarkb | we know it will fail | 20:00 |
| clarkb | so we need to handle that | 20:00 |
| jeblair | clarkb: dhcp is for hp | 20:00 |
| jeblair | clarkb: because we want the same images | 20:00 |
| clarkb | oh right | 20:00 |
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| mordred | clarkb: if we don't get the info from the config drive, we delete the instance | 20:00 |
| mordred | because it'll fail the "ssh has come up" test after X time | 20:01 |
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| mordred | but first, I'm going to make sure that this is even possible at all | 20:01 |
| clarkb | mordred: right and thats a bad situation if it fails 100% of the time | 20:01 |
| mordred | then I'l poke at automation | 20:01 |
| clarkb | sure we should test it | 20:01 |
| jeblair | thanks everyone! | 20:01 |
| mordred | clarkb: I'm pretty sure I'm not going to try to do this without having tested it | 20:01 |
| pleia2 | Quick reminder: the Infra-manual documentation Sprint is coming up on Monday-Tuesday: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2014-November/002088.html (I'll email out a reminder too) | 20:01 |
| jeblair | pleia2: thanks! | 20:01 |
| mordred | woot! | 20:01 |
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| jeblair | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 25 20:01:53 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-11-25-19.01.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-11-25-19.01.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-11-25-19.01.log.html | 20:01 |
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| vishy | ttx: are we doing this call? | 20:06 |
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| bswartz | vishy: according to the ML the meeting was cancelled | 20:09 |
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| vishy | thx | 20:12 |
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| ttx | o/ | 21:00 |
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| eglynn | o/ | 21:00 |
| mestery | o/ | 21:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, o/ | 21:00 |
| sdague | o/ | 21:00 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 21:00 |
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| david-lyle | o/ | 21:01 |
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| mikal | Hi | 21:01 |
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| ddieterly | o/ | 21:01 |
| thingee | o/ | 21:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 25 21:01:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| nikhil_k|vacay | o/ | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:01 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 21:01 |
| jokke_ | \o | 21:01 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:01 |
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| ttx | #topic Decision on true cross-project weekly meeting (ttx) | 21:02 |
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| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-November/051153.html | 21:02 |
| morganfainberg | o/ | 21:02 |
| ttx | From the feedback on the thread I think we can proceed, at least experiment with the new format | 21:02 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 21:02 |
| ttx | So I'll rename this meeting to "Cross-Project meeting" and update wiki pages accordingly | 21:02 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 21:02 |
| sdague | +1 | 21:03 |
| eglynn | one question, how does the chair selection work on the TC? | 21:03 |
| eglynn | elected, or just tradition? | 21:03 |
| ttx | the TC chair ? | 21:03 |
| eglynn | yep | 21:03 |
| ttx | The bylaws define that | 21:03 |
| mikal | Elected | 21:03 |
| * eglynn wondering if an assigned chair might be effective than rotating, for an expanded meeting? | 21:03 | |
| SlickNik | o/ | 21:03 |
| ttx | Elected, then in theory I need to die, but in practice we revote | 21:03 |
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| ttx | Oh, this meeting chair is not the TC chair | 21:04 |
| ttx | Used the be the release meeting, so was traditionally chaired by Release Management PTL | 21:04 |
| eglynn | ttx: yeah, I get that :) | 21:04 |
| ttx | so, also me | 21:04 |
| mestery | There was discussion of rotating the chair for this meeting, right? | 21:04 |
| ttx | but I'm MORE THAN FINE rotating | 21:04 |
| morganfainberg | mestery: yes. | 21:04 |
| eglynn | mestery: exactly, that's what I was talking about | 21:05 |
| ttx | actually, you discovered my evil to go to bed earlier | 21:05 |
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| ttx | evil plan* | 21:05 |
| ttx | now I'm exposed | 21:05 |
| morganfainberg | Ahhaha | 21:05 |
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| eglynn | ttx: ... sorry for the lack of clarity on the context of the original question | 21:05 |
| mestery | ttx: lol | 21:05 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, I like your evil plan ^) | 21:05 |
| * SlickNik scribbles down a note to come up with a similar evil plan of his own. | 21:05 | |
| sdague | meh, I like to keep ttx up, I'd rather keep him chairing for now until we find the right rhythm | 21:06 |
| ttx | I think any PTL could sign up. Horizontal team PTLs make slightly better candidates, but I'll take them all | 21:06 |
| ttx | sdague: ex-PTLs could also qualify, so beware | 21:06 |
| ttx | I'll do the next one since it will be the first one of the new era | 21:06 |
| * morganfainberg lets someone else fall into that trap. | 21:06 | |
| ttx | but after that I'll seek volunteers | 21:06 |
| sdague | ttx: I'll have to come up with some other reason to disqualify myself | 21:06 |
| eglynn | yeah, so my thought was that an expanded meeting would need strong chairing, hence maybe moving to a rotating chair might be a step too far? | 21:06 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: just say time constant time conflict :) | 21:07 |
| asalkeld | eglynn, agree | 21:07 |
| nikhil_k | can we have a signup list for scheduling? | 21:07 |
| morganfainberg | mtreinish: shh don't give away my secret! | 21:07 |
| ttx | eglynn: I don't see all hell breaking loose the way you do. If that happens we can only pick strong chairs. | 21:07 |
| ttx | So that the meeting can be announced with enough time in advance, we'll probably close the agenda on the day before | 21:07 |
| sdague | so I move that we keep ttx for chair until the end of the year, then reevaluate in 2015 if we want rotation | 21:07 |
| ttx | so that people can decide if they want to attend or not | 21:07 |
| mestery | sdague: ++, as long as ttx is ok with that | 21:08 |
| eglynn | sdague: ++ | 21:08 |
| ttx | So just edit the meeting wiki page at least one day before if you have topics. | 21:08 |
| morganfainberg | sdague: I like that. It's not that many more meetings this year. Obv is txt doesn't complain. | 21:08 |
| ttx | boohoohoo | 21:08 |
| morganfainberg | If ttx * | 21:08 |
| eglynn | ttx: sorry :) | 21:08 |
| david-lyle | sounds like he's all in favor | 21:08 |
| mestery | rofl | 21:08 |
| ttx | I guess I'm fine if we rotate before DST strikes again | 21:08 |
| sdague | ttx: yeh, just to get a feel for the new format | 21:08 |
| ttx | #action ttx to rename meeting and rotate wiki pages | 21:09 |
| ttx | #action ttx to chait until new year, consider rotation afterwards | 21:09 |
| ttx | chair* | 21:09 |
| ttx | #topic Requirements policy and enforcement in stable branches (sdague) | 21:09 |
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| sdague | ok, I tried to put a sketch of what's going on in the agenda | 21:10 |
| sdague | we've got some issues with requirements and stable branches that have never really been satisfying, and are definitely getting more challenging with more projects | 21:10 |
| sdague | there is the fact that we get broken on stable by upstream releases a lot | 21:10 |
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| sdague | there is the fact that oslo projects would actually like to advance and add new features and dependencies | 21:11 |
| sdague | same with client libraries | 21:11 |
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| morganfainberg | sdague: ++ | 21:11 |
| bknudson | and middleware | 21:11 |
| morganfainberg | and/or be able to deprecate things sanely. | 21:11 |
| ttx | I can testify that most of stable breakage comes from requirements updates | 21:12 |
| sdague | and the current policy of not capping anything, and testing backwards compat, means that we have to add new requirements to stable all the time | 21:12 |
| sdague | which is weird | 21:12 |
| ttx | for littel gain | 21:12 |
| sdague | so... there is policy and there is tech | 21:12 |
| sdague | but we should probably tackle policy first | 21:12 |
| morganfainberg | It doesn't make sense really to not cap for a "stable" release. | 21:12 |
| sdague | policy is that we don't cap any requirements ever | 21:12 |
| bknudson | all distros that ship openstack don't update their packages all the time. | 21:12 |
| eglynn | sdague: pinning those dependencies on stable to major.x.y wouldn't help? | 21:13 |
| sdague | morganfainberg / bknudson right | 21:13 |
| sdague | eglynn: that's where I was getting | 21:13 |
| eglynn | ... or would be too restrictive? | 21:13 |
| sdague | I think we should pin requirements on stable to semver versions | 21:13 |
| sdague | so < X.Y | 21:13 |
| sdague | assume z can float for most packages | 21:13 |
| morganfainberg | sdague: I'm in favor of stable being "stable" even if it means we have crazier releases for client/middleware (extra bug fixes worst case) | 21:14 |
| asalkeld | seems reasonable | 21:14 |
| sdague | for whatever the last versions were that we tested before release | 21:14 |
| morganfainberg | Oslo as well there. | 21:14 |
| jokke_ | sdague: one minor thing was left open for me in your e-mail, would you like to cap the requirements to stable/ or all? | 21:14 |
| sdague | jokke_: just stable | 21:14 |
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| eglynn | yeah, just stable agreed | 21:14 |
| sdague | I think in master letting things float is probably the right thing to do | 21:14 |
| morganfainberg | sdague: I like that because it also means eol tag has a stable snapshot to work from. | 21:14 |
| bknudson | can we make a point release for an old keystoneclient? where would I check in the change? | 21:14 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: we'd spin up a topic branch. | 21:15 |
| sdague | bknudson: you can do anything you like with keystoneclient | 21:15 |
| morganfainberg | Like milestone proposed was used. | 21:15 |
| sdague | but yeh, keystone team policy decision there on mechanics | 21:15 |
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| jungleboyj | I think doing some sort of version control on stable is necessary. | 21:15 |
| sdague | that would be part of letting Z float | 21:15 |
| ttx | that's what we discussed in Paris and there was broad agreement around it | 21:16 |
| sdague | to handle critical bug fixes that you definitely want stable releases to take from | 21:16 |
| eglynn | so the CI failures in stable are surfacing in the periodic builds, or? | 21:16 |
| eglynn | (since the merge activity on these branches is probably very bursty) | 21:16 |
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| bknudson | like security fixes | 21:16 |
| sdague | eglynn: they block tempest and devstack-gate, which are branchless | 21:16 |
| sdague | and oslo libs | 21:16 |
| morganfainberg | We also then change the support cycle for client releases and oslo and etc | 21:16 |
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| eglynn | sdague: a-ha, yeah, got it | 21:16 |
| sdague | which have compat testing against old branches | 21:16 |
| sdague | actually, all the libs now | 21:17 |
| morganfainberg | It's a lot of extra work, but I see it as worth it. | 21:17 |
| eglynn | morganfainberg: do you mean, stable branches for the clients? | 21:17 |
| morganfainberg | eglynn: well we will need to backport fixes to the release versions of those client and oslo libs. | 21:17 |
| sdague | morganfainberg: only if they are a big enough issue | 21:18 |
| morganfainberg | Security most specifically | 21:18 |
| sdague | yeh, I'd say security patches are the only reason to do Z | 21:18 |
| jungleboyj | sdague: +1 | 21:18 |
| morganfainberg | I don't think anything else would qualify. It is still a significant amount of overhead compared to today. | 21:18 |
| sdague | ok... so policy seems generally agreed? | 21:18 |
| sdague | do we feel we need to do anything else to change the policy | 21:18 |
| morganfainberg | sdague: +1 from me | 21:18 |
| bknudson | I think it's a good idea | 21:18 |
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| eglynn | sdague: yep, it seems sane | 21:18 |
| david-lyle | +1 | 21:18 |
| asalkeld | +1 | 21:19 |
| bknudson | I'd like a little info on how to actually make a fix since I don't know how it's going to work. | 21:19 |
| mtreinish | sdague: sounds good to me | 21:19 |
| sdague | ttx: ? as RM I'd like a nod at least :) | 21:19 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson: I know how I want to handle for keystone. I'll write it up and post to the ML as a proposal for all if we're all good on this. | 21:19 |
| sdague | so... I'll move onto the tech front... because this gets a bit interesting | 21:20 |
| kragniz | will there be a more detailed spec on this? | 21:20 |
| SlickNik | sdague: ++ Sounds like a plan. | 21:20 |
| morganfainberg | And we can keep it consistent that way. | 21:20 |
| morganfainberg | Or try to. | 21:20 |
| ttx | sdague: trying to wrap my head around what you just said about client libs | 21:20 |
| sdague | first, we probably need a driver, because I don't think I can be the driver for this given other things on my plate in the near term | 21:20 |
| sdague | ttx: which part | 21:20 |
| ttx | you would be creating stable branches for oslo libs and client libs ? | 21:21 |
| sdague | ttx: no | 21:21 |
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| apevec | some oslo libs already have stable branch | 21:21 |
| sdague | we would cap stable/juno at oslo.config<=1.4 (making numbers up) | 21:22 |
| apevec | messaging iirc | 21:22 |
| ttx | ack | 21:22 |
| eglynn | apevec: yep oslo.messaging does | 21:22 |
| sdague | so if oslo.config wanted to release a 1.3.19 to fix a sec bug, go for it | 21:22 |
| morganfainberg | sdague: as a side note I would do <= last release. Cap < | 21:22 |
| morganfainberg | Not just < x.y | 21:22 |
| sdague | morganfainberg: right, < | 21:22 |
| ttx | sdague: and what about client libs ? | 21:22 |
| sdague | morganfainberg: so... actually, I specifically don't want to do that | 21:23 |
| ttx | same ? | 21:23 |
| morganfainberg | Really? So all previous versions are valid? | 21:23 |
| sdague | because I think we should assume .Z is compatible unless proven elsewise | 21:23 |
| morganfainberg | No no I mean. What you proposed but just pin the lower bound as well | 21:23 |
| morganfainberg | To the last releases cap | 21:23 |
| sdague | oh, yeh, I don't want to do that | 21:24 |
| sdague | because it's going to impact the upgrade story because pip is the suck | 21:24 |
| morganfainberg | Hm. That worries me a little but hat can be discussed elsewhere. | 21:24 |
| morganfainberg | Continue. | 21:24 |
| sdague | ok... so the tech problem | 21:24 |
| sdague | oh, ttx yes same for clients | 21:24 |
| sdague | we do a semver < x.y pin | 21:25 |
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| sdague | so... here is the interesting thing about our openstack python clients | 21:25 |
| sdague | they are used both for services to talk to each other | 21:25 |
| sdague | and for users to talk to services | 21:25 |
| eglynn | or even for services to talk to themselves :) | 21:25 |
| eglynn | (ceilometer does this, in the alarm-evaluator) | 21:26 |
| sdague | sure or that | 21:26 |
| sdague | though it's a special case of A | 21:26 |
| eglynn | yep | 21:26 |
| sdague | but, basically we still care that new releases of python-novaclient can talk to older nova | 21:26 |
| ttx | sdague: indeed. will capping prevent that test ? | 21:27 |
| sdague | ttx: today, yes | 21:27 |
| sdague | however, I think there is a solution by moving to using more venvs in devstack | 21:27 |
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| sdague | so that all the services in install with a global venv | 21:28 |
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| sdague | the client libs also install in system | 21:28 |
| ttx | sounds promising | 21:28 |
| sdague | therefor using the client libs against older services can be tested, but won't drag that code into those services using them against each other | 21:28 |
| sdague | there are pieces of this in an ML thread | 21:29 |
| sdague | which I can't find | 21:29 |
| morganfainberg | I either remember talking about this in Paris or on the ML. | 21:29 |
| sdague | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-November/051125.html that's it | 21:29 |
| sdague | ok. So basically I think this is what we need: | 21:30 |
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| sdague | 1) general head nods that this is the right direction | 21:30 |
| ttx | yep, it's mostly a reminder, but trying to ask all the questions so that sdague can expose all the answers we already have | 21:30 |
| bknudson | keystone runs in apache | 21:30 |
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| sdague | 2) help finding some folks that want to tackle these stuff | 21:30 |
| sdague | I can mentor people on it | 21:30 |
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| sdague | but I think some fresh blood would be great | 21:30 |
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| sdague | bknudson: so... we'd need to cover that case | 21:31 |
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| morganfainberg | I don't know how a venv works for mod_wsgi or if it does. | 21:31 |
| sdague | probably just python path set in apache env? | 21:31 |
| sdague | noted as a possible gotcha | 21:31 |
| morganfainberg | sdague: todo to figure it out. I hope it's that easy | 21:31 |
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| asalkeld | sdague, wouldn't it be easier to make the venv for the client libs? | 21:32 |
| asalkeld | rather that all the services | 21:32 |
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| sdague | asalkeld: that would do all the completely unexpected things for the user | 21:32 |
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| sdague | because nova list would use the wrong libs | 21:32 |
| ttx | sdague: as a first step, is there more to do than pushing capped requirements to every stable branch ? | 21:32 |
| sdague | ttx: no, I think that's a reasonable first step | 21:33 |
| ttx | sdague: then second step is working on fixing client lib testing so that we don't leave a hole in our testing ? | 21:33 |
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| sdague | ttx: yep, sounds right | 21:33 |
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| asalkeld | sdague, ok - i thought this was just for a new client lib <-> old services test | 21:33 |
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| sdague | asalkeld: the reasons for venv on the servers is in the ML post I linked above | 21:33 |
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| asalkeld | ok, i'll catch up | 21:33 |
| sdague | asalkeld: it's also for how devstack functions for people | 21:34 |
| ttx | sdague: if nobody volunteers I guess the stable core team could step in | 21:34 |
| sdague | ttx: ok, cool. | 21:34 |
| ttx | since they are the ones benefitting most directly from the change | 21:34 |
| ttx | but agree that it sounds like a good opportunity to train new blood | 21:34 |
| morganfainberg | I'm willing to help. But I can't drive all of it. I am also on stable so, moot point? | 21:34 |
| sdague | anyway, that was my agenda item | 21:35 |
| sdague | I think all the details are out there | 21:35 |
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| morganfainberg | I am generally a +1 on all of this. Some details Id like to workout offline. | 21:35 |
| ttx | ok, I can take the action of finding out people to help there, since I'm already chasing them | 21:35 |
| sdague | ttx: +1 thanks | 21:35 |
| ttx | #action ttx to find people to work on the stable requirements capping transition | 21:36 |
| ttx | last comments on that one ? | 21:36 |
| ttx | mtreinish: around? | 21:36 |
| mtreinish | yes | 21:36 |
| ttx | #topic XML API testing on stable branches (mtreinish) | 21:36 |
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| ttx | I think you proposed that one | 21:36 |
| mtreinish | I did | 21:36 |
| ttx | DIE XML DIE | 21:36 |
| ttx | oops sorry | 21:36 |
| mtreinish | yeah basically :) | 21:36 |
| sdague | ttx: +3 | 21:36 |
| morganfainberg | Kill it burn it with fire^w^w^w... | 21:37 |
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| mtreinish | so when kilo opened everyone started dropping xml, but to do that they needed to turn off the tempest tests for it | 21:37 |
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| mtreinish | I was having everyone do this in a way which made xml testing optional but default off so we could keep it running on stable branches | 21:37 |
| devananda | ttx: ++ | 21:37 |
| mtreinish | where we had pre-existing xml coverage | 21:37 |
| mtreinish | but this is turning out to be very difficult to implement | 21:38 |
| ttx | I think dropping it in testing is much less of a conflictual decision that dropping it from projects. Also will make XML suffer while it dies, so +1 | 21:38 |
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| mtreinish | and the code maintainence for the xml paths is actually pretty large | 21:38 |
| devananda | I believe pecan/wsme has support for disabling XML support within consuming projects now | 21:38 |
| sdague | devananda: this is about the test paths | 21:38 |
| devananda | sdague: ah. nvm then :) | 21:38 |
| mtreinish | so basically I just want consensus that we drop the xml tests everywhere | 21:38 |
| dimsum__ | +1 | 21:38 |
| mtreinish | even on stable branches, where we were running the tests before | 21:39 |
| morganfainberg | ++ | 21:39 |
| thingee | +1 | 21:39 |
| mestery | ++ | 21:39 |
| sdague | and the patches are even ready to go - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:rmxml,n,z | 21:39 |
| jokke_ | +1 lets take the hit when something breaks | 21:39 |
| asalkeld | +1 | 21:39 |
| * mtreinish is mad sdague beat me to those patches... | 21:39 | |
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| sdague | mtreinish: you get to +A them | 21:39 |
| ttx | everyone wants their name on that one | 21:39 |
| sdague | well, go and +1 things now then | 21:40 |
| mtreinish | sdague: you just want the top LOC stat for another cycle :) | 21:40 |
| morganfainberg | Haha | 21:40 |
| ttx | "largest contributor" | 21:40 |
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| sdague | I have moved all the nova unit tests around already this cycle, so until that patch is deleted from stackalytics, I probably already am | 21:40 |
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| dimsum__ | haha | 21:41 |
| apevec | nice: -lxml>=2.3 | 21:41 |
| sdague | apevec: yeh, that's a good bonus at the end as well | 21:41 |
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| ttx | ok, so it looks like this is pretty consensual | 21:41 |
| morganfainberg | apevec: won't completely die. | 21:41 |
| mtreinish | ok, well I guess that's the consensus I needed, I'll go ahead and start pushing through the changes then | 21:42 |
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| morganfainberg | We use lxml for SAML stuff still. | 21:42 |
| sdague | morganfainberg: but you are going to fix that... right? | 21:42 |
| morganfainberg | Working on fixing that. | 21:42 |
| ttx | morganfainberg: you keystone folks just like this XML stuff don't you | 21:42 |
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| mtreinish | yeah it'll still get pulled in as a transitive dep until we drop the cli tests | 21:42 |
| morganfainberg | Yeah. Xpath stuff. | 21:42 |
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| morganfainberg | ttx: I squashed using xacml for policy. No exta xml we don't need. | 21:42 |
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| ttx | heh | 21:43 |
| morganfainberg | But I could reconsider if you like us to ;) | 21:43 |
| ttx | OK, final words on that one ? | 21:43 |
| ttx | #agreed please yes | 21:43 |
| sdague | I would just say that people should register +1s on those patches just to have a good record of it as well | 21:44 |
| morganfainberg | sdague: plan to post meeting. | 21:44 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:44 |
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| ttx | #info Release management had 1:1 syncs with liaisons today, summary/logs at: | 21:44 |
| ttx | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ptl_sync/2014/ptl_sync.2014-11-25-09.00.html | 21:44 |
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| ttx | other announcements ? random pings to threads or reviews of general interests ? | 21:45 |
| apevec | #info stable/juno release Dec 4, 2014 - freeze Nov 27, collecting release blockers/exceptions in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/StableJuno | 21:45 |
| ttx | apevec: you'll be the stable release manager for that one, right ? | 21:45 |
| apevec | ttx, I guess bot will not take it from me? | 21:45 |
| apevec | ttx, yes | 21:45 |
| ttx | it will | 21:46 |
| ttx | Some topics for next week meeting are already posted | 21:46 |
| ttx | Convergence on specs process (johnthetubaguy) | 21:46 |
| ttx | Future incompatible rework of client libraries (notmyname, morganfainberg) | 21:46 |
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| ttx | jeblair: any announcement from infraland ? | 21:47 |
| sdague | also I've been starting a bunch of ML threads about test configurations I think we can prune from our system without losing anything significant - please keep an eye on those if you are interested in the subject | 21:48 |
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| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 21:48 |
| thingee | ttx: last I heard in #openstack-infra, jeblair was going into some hole. | 21:49 |
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| jokke_ | just letting anyone know who has interest, I'm the new guy looking after Glance Stable | 21:49 |
| jokke_ | So anything I might need to know is happily taken while I try to catch up | 21:49 |
| sdague | jokke_: welcome aboard | 21:50 |
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| notmyname | I'm happy about the cleanup of tests in the CI | 21:50 |
| notmyname | thanks sdague | 21:50 |
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| sdague | notmyname: no prob, thanks for the feedback to make sure we were doing this right | 21:50 |
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| ttx | alright.. final words... | 21:52 |
| eglynn | Happy Thanksgiving y'all :) | 21:52 |
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| sdague | \o/ | 21:53 |
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| jungleboyj | Happy THanksgiving! | 21:53 |
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| nikhil_k | Happy Thanksgiving! | 21:54 |
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| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 25 21:54:45 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-11-25-21.01.html | 21:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-11-25-21.01.txt | 21:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-11-25-21.01.log.html | 21:54 |
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| SlickNik | Thanks ttx! | 21:54 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone | 21:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, thx! | 21:55 |
| jokke_ | thanks | 21:55 |
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