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| annegentle | ok let's get this going | 14:01 |
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| gpocentek | hi annegentle | 14:01 |
| AJaeger_ | hi gpocentek ! | 14:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hello | 14:01 |
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| annegentle | #startmeeting docteam | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 12 14:01:41 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is annegentle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 14:01 |
| annegentle | morning Sam-I-Am gpocentek! | 14:01 |
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| annegentle | Ok, seems like forever to look up the past action items | 14:01 |
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| annegentle | ha. | 14:02 |
| annegentle | ACTION: annegentle to pull upgrade info from ops guide | 14:02 |
| rromans | o/ | 14:02 |
| annegentle | my action is done and now undone. Double done. | 14:02 |
| annegentle | he rromans | 14:02 |
| AJaeger_ | ;) | 14:02 |
| annegentle | er that's a hey rromans | 14:02 |
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| rromans | hiya :) | 14:02 |
| annegentle | ACTION: annegentle to add a soft-freeze declaration to this week's What's Up Doc | 14:02 |
| annegentle | Done | 14:02 |
| annegentle | ACTION: annegentle to ask Gauvain when he wants to publish the HOT guides | 14:02 |
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| annegentle | done, it's part of the user guide now | 14:03 |
| annegentle | that's all | 14:03 |
| gpocentek | you did ask me and it's published now | 14:03 |
| annegentle | er | 14:03 |
| annegentle | I should have | 14:03 |
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| annegentle | #topic action items from last week | 14:03 |
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| annegentle | ok | 14:03 |
| annegentle | action items from last time done | 14:03 |
| annegentle | #topic Summit wrap up | 14:03 |
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| annegentle | I sent a What's Up Doc for the Summmit | 14:04 |
| annegentle | tooooo mannny mmmms | 14:04 |
| AJaeger_ | nice writeup, thanks annegentle | 14:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | yes, thanks | 14:04 |
| annegentle | thanks | 14:04 |
| annegentle | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2014-November/005432.html | 14:04 |
| annegentle | I think I wrote every night I was there. | 14:04 |
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| annegentle | any questions? I do have plenty of action items from the summit that I'm working through. | 14:05 |
| annegentle | #action: annegentle set up bug triaging days | 14:05 |
| annegentle | #action: annegentle set up video meetups | 14:05 |
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| AJaeger_ | no questions anymore ;) | 14:06 |
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| annegentle | :) | 14:06 |
| annegentle | I think I need to communicate the driver doc decision once your spec is ready for review, AJaeger_ | 14:07 |
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| annegentle | or you can start a thread | 14:07 |
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| annegentle | and I'll circle back on the design in another meeting topic | 14:07 |
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| annegentle | #topic Networking Guide latest | 14:07 |
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| AJaeger_ | annegentle: I wrote already an email to all contributors to the config reference driver section that I could identitfy | 14:07 |
| annegentle | AJaeger_: oh that's great | 14:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | mmm, networking guide | 14:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | i built a dvr environment and found it was broken | 14:08 |
| annegentle | So Phil_h sent a draft to us yesterday (did it go to the list?) | 14:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133580 | 14:08 |
| annegentle | ahh | 14:08 |
| nickchase | I saw it | 14:08 |
| nickchase | haven't read it yet | 14:08 |
| nickchase | but I saw it | 14:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | me neither | 14:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | gotta do that | 14:08 |
| annegentle | and I spent some time with Elke on the phone before the summit | 14:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | i spent last night testing that patch... and it works | 14:08 |
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| annegentle | awesome Sam-I-Am | 14:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | so now we have a reason to document dvr again | 14:08 |
| annegentle | good deal | 14:09 |
| nickchase | And I spent some time with Elke since then | 14:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | phil supposedly has an l3ha environment working | 14:09 |
| annegentle | do they need to backport that 133580? | 14:09 |
| AJaeger_ | only if 133580 ends in Juno branch | 14:09 |
| annegentle | nickchase: cool is she all set? | 14:09 |
| annegentle | AJaeger_: right | 14:09 |
| nickchase | I think we're almost there on getting her patching. Theoretically she has content. | 14:09 |
| nickchase | She's almost set. | 14:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | i hope it makes 2014.2.2? | 14:09 |
| annegentle | nickchase: ok great | 14:09 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: okay yeah sure hope so. | 14:09 |
| nickchase | I exported a working OVA for her to use while she works with Cisco to find out why her machine only gives her 32 bit options. | 14:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | nickchase: i'll be looking through phil's stuff and seeing where the holes are (particularly diagrams) | 14:09 |
| nickchase | great | 14:10 |
| annegentle | so it's kind of good we pushed on install rather than networks at the end huh? | 14:10 |
| nickchase | definitely. | 14:10 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: great | 14:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | l3ha is sort of broken too :/ | 14:10 |
| annegentle | nickchase: ok I was suspicious of the 32 v 64 myself | 14:10 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: huh. should we not doc it? | 14:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: we should | 14:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | its bugs dont seem nearly as bad so far as dvr (which didnt work at all) | 14:11 |
| annegentle | okay | 14:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | funny how a one line patch fixed it | 14:11 |
| AJaeger_ | Sam-I-Am: seems we should change our mission from Docs to QA and docs ;/ | 14:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | anyway, we should be getting some scenarios soon | 14:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | general neutron, dvr, and l3ha | 14:11 |
| annegentle | #info Networking guide in progress: dvr needs a code patch, layer 3 HA in testing | 14:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | collins is supposedly working on a provider network scenario, but that was before the summit | 14:12 |
| nickchase | well, he should be back now. | 14:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | that gives us 4 scenarios to document | 14:12 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: would that change knowing our new driver decision? | 14:12 |
| nickchase | next meeting is Friday, I'll see if he can have it before then. | 14:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | plus the introductory stuff | 14:12 |
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| annegentle | as in, would we document a provider scenario in our docs, or just point to whatever Sean writes? | 14:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | provider as in... neutron only provides bare pipes to VMs | 14:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | all of the meat is handled by some upstream hardware | 14:13 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: right, vendor hardware right? | 14:13 |
| annegentle | or virtual? | 14:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, but we dont talk about the hardware | 14:13 |
| annegentle | just trying to scope based on our current thinking | 14:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | all the scenario covers is how to disable all of the neutron services except the L2 pipe | 14:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | no dhcp, no routing, etc. | 14:14 |
| annegentle | ok, so ML2? or no? | 14:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's no third party plugins involved | 14:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think he's still using ML2 | 14:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | since it talks to ovs | 14:14 |
| annegentle | what's that equivalent to? Flat? | 14:14 |
| annegentle | I can't spell | 14:14 |
| annegentle | so it would be an ML2 using OVS, that's in scope | 14:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | he's using vlan types. however, flat, vlan, and tunnel types can all have neutron services on top of them... or nothing. the nothing option seems to appeal to lots of people who dont want to deal with neutron performance and reliability issues. | 14:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | the downside is less 'cloudy' capabilities for tenants, but not everyone wants those features. | 14:16 |
| annegentle | I like "nothing" heh | 14:16 |
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| annegentle | yeah I think there's demand for that | 14:16 |
| annegentle | ok | 14:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | quite | 14:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | see it often in #openstack | 14:16 |
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| annegentle | #info one more scenario coming, basically ML2 with OVS / vlan | 14:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | also the idea of pulling networks directly to compute nodes | 14:16 |
| annegentle | ^^ good enough for the minutes? | 14:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: yep | 14:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | 'provider network scenario' | 14:17 |
| annegentle | yeah | 14:17 |
| annegentle | #undo | 14:17 |
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| annegentle | #info one more provider network scenario coming, basically ML2 with OVS / vlan | 14:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | hmm that looks like a bug | 14:17 |
| annegentle | Ok moving on | 14:17 |
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| annegentle | #topic Install guide status | 14:17 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ah yes... about that. | 14:18 |
| annegentle | Swift stuff is in! | 14:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, so i took a stab at swift because i havent really looked at it thoroughly | 14:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | lots of upstream package problems | 14:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | i found a lot of issues, but intended to handle them a few lines at a time | 14:18 |
| annegentle | yeah I think it's an improvement for sure | 14:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | then it got late, alcohol was involved, things got blurry, and i woke up in a ditch next to a huge patch | 14:18 |
| annegentle | heh | 14:18 |
| annegentle | it's in tho | 14:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | still not exactly sure what happened | 14:19 |
| annegentle | so huge patches can even get in summit week. | 14:19 |
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| annegentle | we're pretty weird that way | 14:19 |
| AJaeger_ | Sam-I-Am: A miracle ;) | 14:19 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i was... totally shocked at the approval turnaround. | 14:19 |
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| Sam-I-Am | anyway, as promised, i'm working on revamping the example architecture diagrams to cover the cinder and swift nodes now. | 14:20 |
| annegentle | cool | 14:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | no longer shall those parts be different | 14:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | i have 6-8 diagrams almost done | 14:20 |
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| annegentle | #info Object Storage updates complete | 14:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm having trouble finding a maintainer for the swift packages on ubuntu | 14:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | its like... they're orphaned. | 14:20 |
| annegentle | #info Sam-I-Am working on new architecture diagrams to include swift and cinder nodes | 14:20 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: yeah no one uses those packages they make their own so it's classic tragedy of the commons I guess | 14:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | remaining items to test/patch include ceilometer, trove, and sahara (which has no packages?) | 14:21 |
| annegentle | Anything else on install guide | 14:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i think we're good for now. still backporting everything since we ran out of time for juno. | 14:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | try to avoid content shuffling patches unless you backport them too so we dont get a bunch of conflicts/rebase | 14:22 |
| annegentle | okay, yes. | 14:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | andreas' backport script makes it easy | 14:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | right now the content is the same | 14:22 |
| annegentle | #info Try to avoid moving install guide content around unless you're also willing to backport | 14:22 |
| annegentle | ok, onward | 14:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats it from me! | 14:23 |
| annegentle | #topic Website design status | 14:23 |
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| AJaeger_ | Sam-I-Am: just tell us once you're ready to do massive changes | 14:23 |
| AJaeger_ | annegentle: you're too fast for me ;) | 14:23 |
| annegentle | :) sowwy | 14:23 |
| annegentle | I sent Wes, the designer, the input from Friday's session, and he already turned the chagnes around. WOO | 14:23 |
| AJaeger_ | Sam-I-Am: I want to update for SLE 12 and openSUSE 13.2 before Kilo but can wait another month or two... | 14:23 |
| AJaeger_ | annegentle: no worries - I got my two lines out ;) | 14:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger_: i think we'll be good by then | 14:23 |
| annegentle | #link http://openstack-homepage.bitballoon.com/docs | 14:23 |
| annegentle | Main page | 14:24 |
| annegentle | - increased size of icons | 14:24 |
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| annegentle | - increased size of arrows | 14:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | looks pretty good | 14:24 |
| annegentle | - indicates that indeed, the characters picture will rotate through | 14:24 |
| annegentle | - updated placeholder text for search | 14:24 |
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| annegentle | - uses "Get OpenStack" instead of "Get Started" as label | 14:25 |
| AJaeger_ | size of text is not increased | 14:25 |
| annegentle | AJaeger_: he said "Increased the size of the font and converted the size to em" | 14:25 |
| annegentle | which browser? I can report it back. It is larger to me, but not by much | 14:25 |
| AJaeger_ | mmh, doesn't seem to be different for my firefox 33 or so | 14:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | the font inside the blue box on the left 'release' is smallish | 14:25 |
| annegentle | - changed the </> icon | 14:25 |
| annegentle | here's his response for the footer | 14:26 |
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| AJaeger_ | annegentle: then the page is not updated | 14:26 |
| AJaeger_ | </> is still there for me | 14:26 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger_: hit hard refresh. I see gears now | 14:26 |
| annegentle | that's it for landing page | 14:27 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger_: did refresh get it? | 14:27 |
| AJaeger_ | hmm, not working for me - strange ;( | 14:27 |
| gpocentek | annegentle: still the same for me as well | 14:27 |
| annegentle | #link http://openstack-homepage.bitballoon.com/docs | 14:27 |
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| annegentle | weirrrd. | 14:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | i see the gears | 14:28 |
| annegentle | wonder if it's not in europe yet? | 14:28 |
| annegentle | hrmity. I'll ask Wes. | 14:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: bits took the slow boat | 14:28 |
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| annegentle | heh | 14:28 |
| annegentle | ok what about this one? | 14:29 |
| AJaeger_ | might be that the bits are swimming ;) | 14:29 |
| annegentle | #link http://openstack-homepage.bitballoon.com/docs/book | 14:29 |
| annegentle | we have some questions to answer | 14:29 |
| annegentle | for the mouseover for glossary | 14:29 |
| annegentle | do we want popover or footnote-style? | 14:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | i like mouseovers since they dont consume space | 14:30 |
| annegentle | I'm for popover myself | 14:30 |
| nickchase | me too | 14:30 |
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| annegentle | and scan read is easier | 14:30 |
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| annegentle | Redhat person suggested the foot notes, sorry can't recall name now! | 14:30 |
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| annegentle | I like the current solution of popover with ability to turn off highlighting | 14:31 |
| annegentle | - RSS icon is now orange | 14:31 |
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| annegentle | that makes for a bit of a "rainbow" effect so he wasn't sure if that was good or bad | 14:31 |
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| Sam-I-Am | is there any way to determine which side of the word/phrase the glossdef pops up? | 14:31 |
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| annegentle | also I would prefer that suggest edits _not_ be iconized | 14:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | things closer to the right edge get squished | 14:32 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: he's aware of the problem and says "we can work in an option to detect position of the popover and have it displayed where it's always visible" | 14:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | cool | 14:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | rainbow effect? | 14:32 |
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| annegentle | "We can easily color the rss icon and the download icon. My only worry was that this corner will look like a rainbow :) I colored both icons for you to review. Let me know which direction you want to go with." | 14:33 |
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| * AJaeger_ likes rainbows ;) | 14:33 | |
| annegentle | originally they were mostly grey | 14:33 |
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| annegentle | I like the colors except when disabled, make it grey | 14:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | kind of surprised we dont have a "shades of color X" scheme like rackspace does | 14:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | like... shades of blue or red. | 14:33 |
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| annegentle | it's mostly navy and greys here | 14:33 |
| annegentle | but yeah | 14:33 |
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| annegentle | we could limit the color choices | 14:34 |
| annegentle | it's just that RSS is classically orange | 14:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | who says we're classy? | 14:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | oh wait you said classically :) | 14:34 |
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| annegentle | :) | 14:34 |
| annegentle | he said " Is the suggestion to move all of the action icons (rss, print, definitions, and report bug) to the section below “suggest edits”? Any other input would be great!" | 14:34 |
| annegentle | I think the placement is fine but someone did have a different suggestion in the etherpad | 14:35 |
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| annegentle | not sure who tho | 14:35 |
| annegentle | I guess I wanted suggest edits to be different, not lost in the iconic | 14:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | what does 'suggest edits' do? | 14:35 |
| annegentle | since we can really stand out, not many other doc projects will have it | 14:36 |
| annegentle | so for now it'll go to how to contribute | 14:36 |
| annegentle | but once Gerrit is updated with a web-based interface, it can go to gerrit | 14:36 |
| annegentle | one other change to note | 14:36 |
| annegentle | - added a section to show release info next to the date, top and bottom. | 14:37 |
| annegentle | I like that change | 14:37 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thats useful. people will still miss it :/ | 14:37 |
| annegentle | ok so we'll have to decide about the icons - coloring placement and whether suggest edits is iconic | 14:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | make it 36pt font and <blink> tag and they'll miss it | 14:37 |
| annegentle | marquee | 14:37 |
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| annegentle | #action annegentle to follow up with Wes | 14:37 |
| annegentle | #ink http://openstack-homepage.bitballoon.com/docs/search | 14:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | not sure what sort of icon you would use to suggest edits | 14:38 |
| annegentle | last one | 14:38 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: heh, a piece of tape as a "patch" | 14:38 |
| annegentle | Let's see | 14:38 |
| annegentle | - added date to Icehouse in the dropdown | 14:38 |
| annegentle | and | 14:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: should search results contain the release if it pertains to the document? | 14:39 |
| annegentle | - arrow next to the dropdown sends user to the landing page | 14:39 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: I think that's customizable in the Google Custom Search Engine. so yep. | 14:39 |
| annegentle | - added a tooltip to the arrow that goes back to landing page | 14:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | seems like something useful | 14:39 |
| annegentle | that's all the changes on the search page. our other suggestions have to be handled in Google CSE | 14:39 |
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| annegentle | oh yeah | 14:39 |
| annegentle | "We could replace the arrow with a home icon" <--- what do you think? | 14:40 |
| KLevenstein | +1 | 14:40 |
| KLevenstein | I am still less than thrilled by the size of the arrow icons, because I am getting old and my vision is getting worse. | 14:40 |
| KLevenstein | (also, hi, I’m late) | 14:40 |
| annegentle | KLevenstein: I thnk they're a little small to me too | 14:40 |
| AJaeger_ | Hi KLevenstein ! | 14:40 |
| annegentle | KLevenstein: and my eyesite sucks :) | 14:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | they are small | 14:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | as is the font next to it | 14:41 |
| annegentle | I'll give Wes that input too | 14:41 |
| annegentle | one other question, how many more people should we show it to? Devs? Ops? | 14:41 |
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| annegentle | I hate to slow it down, really just want to put it out there :) | 14:41 |
| KLevenstein | Ops maybe? | 14:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | dont ask devs, it'll end up like neutron :) | 14:42 |
| annegentle | KLevenstein: we can probably find a few eyes inhouse, let's find someone Friday | 14:42 |
| KLevenstein | cool cool | 14:42 |
| annegentle | anything else on the design? Questions? I don't have a timeline but wow he turned that around fast. | 14:42 |
| AJaeger_ | annegentle: this might leat to lots of bike shedding, just show it too a few. | 14:42 |
| annegentle | AJaeger_: my thinking also. | 14:43 |
| annegentle | "the bike shed is red"! | 14:43 |
| annegentle | :) | 14:43 |
| annegentle | #topic HOT Template Guide latest | 14:43 |
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| AJaeger_ | and if you present it to a large group, don't ask for input, just say this is it - if something is really bad, they'll speak up ;) | 14:43 |
| annegentle | yeah agreed. so much agreed. :) | 14:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: will there be a period where its' up and working as something like beta.openstack.org ? | 14:43 |
| annegentle | So the HOT Template Guide is within the User Guide | 14:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | so we can test it with more real content | 14:43 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: we have to get it into RST | 14:43 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: so yeah that'll be a next interim, real content, real HTML/CSS/build parts | 14:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | k | 14:44 |
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| gpocentek | annegentle: do we have people to include the new design in RST? | 14:44 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: a little worried about that part, taking a long time, but we'll see | 14:44 |
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| annegentle | gpocentek: the designers have little knowledge of sphinx. so we may have to help a lot or a little. I'll clarify. | 14:45 |
| annegentle | gpocentek: that is the tough step | 14:45 |
| gpocentek | well we can test on the HOT guide :) | 14:45 |
| annegentle | gpocentek: yep, I want the user guide to go first | 14:46 |
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| annegentle | gpocentek: and yeah, the hot guide is rst | 14:46 |
| annegentle | so yep | 14:46 |
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| annegentle | let's see | 14:46 |
| annegentle | API docs and Doc tools | 14:47 |
| annegentle | #topic API docs latest | 14:47 |
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| annegentle | I have a few specs patches still in review. Only Keystone has merged. | 14:47 |
| annegentle | I'm working on neutron now. | 14:47 |
| annegentle | also | 14:47 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group/API_Current_States | 14:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | mmm neutron | 14:47 |
| annegentle | for the API Working Group | 14:47 |
| annegentle | yeah I'm cursing at ascii tables. guh | 14:48 |
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| annegentle | # topic Doc Tools status | 14:48 |
| AJaeger_ | nothing new on openstack-doc-tools... | 14:48 |
| annegentle | I'd like to get another release of the clouddocs-maven-plugin to fix a bit of bad output in the Ops guide | 14:48 |
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| annegentle | just haven't pursued it since summit | 14:48 |
| annegentle | ok then | 14:48 |
| annegentle | #topic Open discussion | 14:49 |
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| annegentle | open discussion or we can conclude early | 14:49 |
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| nickchase | I have something | 14:49 |
| annegentle | anything else I missed? | 14:49 |
| annegentle | sure nickchase | 14:49 |
| gpocentek | about the doc-tools, I'll try to reduce the duplication with the oslo team during this cycle | 14:49 |
| gpocentek | (for the config-ref) | 14:49 |
| AJaeger_ | gpocentek: Great! | 14:49 |
| annegentle | oo sounds good gpocentek | 14:49 |
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| Sam-I-Am | nothing from me | 14:49 |
| AJaeger_ | Regarding Xen bugs: I got a contact at Citrix | 14:50 |
| AJaeger_ | He's going to look at Xenapi state | 14:50 |
| nickchase | I have approval to try and hire in some people specifically for docs. Need suggestions on how many we think we ultimately need and what skills they need. | 14:50 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger_: great! | 14:50 |
| * AJaeger_ will send a new version of the driver spec later today | 14:50 | |
| annegentle | nickchase: we alked about contract writers on Friday | 14:50 |
| annegentle | nickchase: the sense from teh group is that we need more than one (heh, yeah) for the flex team to be useful to us | 14:51 |
| annegentle | nickchase: so there's that. We talked about 3 maybe being a good number? | 14:51 |
| annegentle | nickchase: for the balance between manageable and flexible | 14:51 |
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| annegentle | nickchase: Lana (loquacities on IRC) may have ideas as well. | 14:51 |
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| annegentle | nickchase: we could meet with her after 4 my time one day | 14:52 |
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| nickchase | OK, let's do that. Today or tomorrow? | 14:52 |
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| annegentle | nickchase: also I talked to Lew Tucker, and his budget is tight, so he's not sure about funding past March 2015. | 14:52 |
| annegentle | nickchase: yeah today works great for me. Thursday, not so much | 14:52 |
| nickchase | OK, that works. I might be able to pull Elke over. We'll see. | 14:52 |
| annegentle | nickchase: I think she's back from travels. Let's try. | 14:52 |
| nickchase | OK, if Lana can do it let's plan for today. | 14:52 |
| annegentle | nickchase: ok sending invite now | 14:53 |
| nickchase | thx | 14:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | lana is out iirc | 14:53 |
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| KLevenstein | she got back to Australia yesterday morning (Australia Weds morning), and might be available, but jetlagged | 14:53 |
| KLevenstein | she’s officially back in office on Monday, IIRC | 14:53 |
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| annegentle | ah ok | 14:54 |
| annegentle | we'll see what we can do, Nick, we can meet for sure | 14:54 |
| annegentle | ok 6 minutes back? | 14:54 |
| AJaeger_ | great! | 14:54 |
| annegentle | going | 14:54 |
| annegentle | going | 14:54 |
| annegentle | gone! Thanks all! | 14:54 |
| annegentle | #endmeeting | 14:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:54 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 12 14:54:51 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:54 |
| AJaeger_ | Thanks, annegentle ! | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-11-12-14.01.html | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-11-12-14.01.txt | 14:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-11-12-14.01.log.html | 14:54 |
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| Sam-I-Am | see y'all! | 14:55 |
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| KLevenstein | o/ | 14:56 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 12 15:00:41 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | hello all | 15:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | for people who are around, do you want to keep the same agenda? | 15:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | matel: do you know if BobBall can make it today? | 15:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, not sure we have people around for the meeting today | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | I can restart it later if people turn up | 15:02 |
| matel | hellp | 15:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | matel: ? | 15:03 |
| matel | yep, here. | 15:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah, hello, that makes sense | 15:03 |
| BobBall | Howdy! | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | Sorry for being late | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | What did I miss? | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | nothing | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic XenServer CI | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "XenServer CI (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:04 | |
| BobBall | Oh that's good. | 15:04 |
| VineetMenon | johnthetubaguy: agenda of the meeting is this, right..http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-11-12-14.01.txt | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, hows things in CI world? | 15:04 |
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| VineetMenon | so, no nova/cell discussion.. | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | VineetMenon: this is the XenAPI meeing | 15:04 |
| BobBall | #link http://f0ab4dc4366795c303a0-8fd069087bab3f263c7f9ddd524fce42.r22.cf1.rackcdn.com/ci_status/recent_finished.txt | 15:04 |
| VineetMenon | oh ..k | 15:04 |
| VineetMenon | sorry | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | VineetMenon: no worries | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | Credits to Mate. He's been keeping the CI going wonderfully lately after fixing it | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | VineetMenon: maybe the time changes got you | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: good stuff | 15:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | how are we doing from memory these days? | 15:05 |
| matel | That was BobBall | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | did that get fixed | 15:05 |
| BobBall | hmmm | 15:05 |
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| BobBall | memory | 15:06 |
| BobBall | good question | 15:06 |
| BobBall | let me log in to a host | 15:06 |
| matel | Did we have issues with memory recently? | 15:06 |
| matel | Sorry, I might have missed it. | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it was slowing things down | 15:06 |
| BobBall | KiB Mem: 6153288 total, 5261644 used, 891644 free, 189560 buffers | 15:06 |
| BobBall | KiB Swap: 4193276 total, 0 used, 4193276 free. 2044800 cached Mem | 15:06 |
| matel | Was it domzero or domU | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | excessive paging | 15:06 |
| BobBall | DomU | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | domU | 15:06 |
| BobBall | Happy happy joy joy memory usage there | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 15:07 |
| matel | I'm happy with 0 swap | 15:07 |
| BobBall | We have 800MB free | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | funny, was super bad before, I guess we dropped some services somewhere | 15:07 |
| BobBall | yes | 15:07 |
| BobBall | we increased ram to 6GB | 15:08 |
| matel | 6G consumed by OS - that's lovely. | 15:08 |
| BobBall | and as a followup to my devstack change to limit the number of API nodes | 15:08 |
| BobBall | the default is now set to 2 by devstack | 15:08 |
| BobBall | because infra were seeing similar issues | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, cool | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | that would do it | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | there were lots of apis | 15:08 |
| BobBall | Indeed | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, skipped tests | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess we can't reduce that list again? | 15:09 |
| BobBall | Probably can | 15:09 |
| BobBall | but it's quite small ATM | 15:09 |
| BobBall | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/xenapi-os-testing/tree/tempest_exclusion_list | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | would be good to get those back on if we can | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | assuming they are reliable now | 15:10 |
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| BobBall | It's an interresting assumption | 15:11 |
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| BobBall | What's that assumption based on? :) | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | well that gate is not totally hosed | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | sure, not many things running | 15:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | would like to know if its a XenAPI specific thing, or a general thing, I guess | 15:11 |
| BobBall | Ah, yes, that's a good point | 15:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | happy to do some work on making volume more stable if it shows issues, or least I should be able to find someone | 15:11 |
| BobBall | I believe the memory issue was affecting volume tests with timeouts | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, that would make total sense | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, good to push for an empty list | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | but better that its actually running well! | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | so moving on... | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anything else | 15:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I don't think much was raised at the summit that would surprise us | 15:13 |
| BobBall | No real surprises, no | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | I kinda hope to get people working on cells + XenServer tests, but I need to find the people from somewhere | 15:13 |
| BobBall | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133975/ | 15:13 |
| BobBall | FYI# | 15:13 |
| BobBall | -# | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: cool | 15:13 |
| BobBall | Not quite sure what to do though | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | just recheck 10 times ;) | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | replace 10 with some number that makes you feel happy | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways... | 15:14 |
| BobBall | Perhaps... | 15:14 |
| matel | I would rather run it on a separate CI. | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more for any more? | 15:15 |
| BobBall | Seperate CI matel? | 15:15 |
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| BobBall | hmmm | 15:15 |
| BobBall | I wonder if that'd be a good test for your seperate nodepool install | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: cells would sure be a separate CI setup, if thats what you mean | 15:15 |
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| matel | BobBall - yep | 15:15 |
| BobBall | matel's been working on using upstream nodepool | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:15 |
| BobBall | There are various bugfixes upstream that we need to take | 15:15 |
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| matel | johnthetubaguy - I was talking about the null-exclusion list | 15:16 |
| BobBall | BTW, johnthetubaguy, did you get a creedence t-shirt at the summit?? | 15:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: didn't get any t-shirts, didn't stay in that bit long enough, and I don't really like queues | 15:16 |
| BobBall | While the t-shirts did go very quickly we weren't mean enough to make people queue up for them. | 15:16 |
| BobBall | I'll see if we can find a spare one for you. Medium? | 15:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so I did go to the stand, on the first day, before the keynote, but there was no one there | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | Large if possible, I suspect they went | 15:17 |
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| BobBall | You want me to send you one over there in Hungary Mate? | 15:17 |
| matel | BobBall: would be nice | 15:17 |
| BobBall | L - will do. | 15:17 |
| matel | L is fine for me. | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: I can collect mine at some point anyways | 15:18 |
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| BobBall | Yes, we weren't there before the keynotes - I actually didn't arrive until after Monday's keynotes :/ | 15:18 |
| BobBall | Stupid easyjet | 15:18 |
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| matel | BobBall: I can send you some wine for that | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: doh | 15:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways | 15:18 |
| BobBall | Wine in exchange for a t-shirt? | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess we are done | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | nice to see a green CI | 15:18 |
| BobBall | Let me send you a whole case of t-shirts then matel. | 15:18 |
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| matel | BobBall: cool | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | case of wine is OK if you are out of t-shirts | 15:19 |
| BobBall | I'm sure I'll find a t-shirt john. | 15:19 |
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| BobBall | Nice try. | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | :) | 15:19 |
| BobBall | But yes, think we're done. | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:19 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 12 15:19:25 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:19 |
| matel | bybye | 15:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-11-12-15.00.html | 15:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-11-12-15.00.txt | 15:19 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-11-12-15.00.log.html | 15:19 |
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| DuncanT | Officially no cinder meeting today, but I plan on hanging round here in case anybody has questions, particularly new driver folks | 16:01 |
| avishay | Ahh | 16:01 |
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| mtanino | hi | 16:03 |
| asselin | hi | 16:03 |
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| rhe00_ | DuncanT: Question for you. I am waiting for code reviewers to review version 1.0 of my driver https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116186/12 . I already have version 1.1 in the pipeline with added QoS support. Should I submit blueprint and submit code for review now or wait? Would submitting version 1.1 risk delaying acceptance of version 1.0 | 16:04 |
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| DuncanT | rhe00_, I'd put it up as a dependant review if it were me. I don't think it will slow down the base driver | 16:04 |
| rhe00_ | Ok. I will do that. Thanks! | 16:05 |
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| mtanino | DuncanT: In my driver case, I need to be approved cinder-spec until Nov 15th. I will update the spec. Could you review it? | 16:06 |
| asselin | do we have meeting this morning? | 16:07 |
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| mtanino | looks like we don't have official meeting today. | 16:08 |
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| DuncanT | mtanino, You can and should submit the code even if the spec isn't approved as long as it isn't looking contentious, but I will certainly take a look | 16:10 |
| asselin | ok thanks | 16:10 |
| DuncanT | mtanino, no, I said I'd be here to help driver authors though | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:11 |
| mtanino | DuncanT: I understand. I will post latest code. | 16:11 |
| DuncanT | Might as well get this minuted | 16:12 |
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| DuncanT | #startmeeting Cinder -unofficial meeting | 16:12 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 12 16:12:43 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is DuncanT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:12 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:12 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder__unofficial_meeting' | 16:12 |
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| DuncanT | <rhe00_> DuncanT: Question for you. I am waiting for code reviewers to review version 1.0 of my driver https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116186/12 . I already have version 1.1 in the pipeline with added QoS support. Should I submit blueprint and submit code for review now or wait? Would submitting version 1.1 risk delaying acceptance of version 1.0 | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | unofficially official | 16:13 |
| DuncanT | DuncanT> rhe00_, I'd put it up as a dependant review if it were me. I don't think it will slow down the base driver | 16:13 |
| DuncanT | <rhe00_> Ok. I will do that. Thanks! | 16:13 |
| DuncanT | <mtanino> DuncanT: In my driver case, I need to be approved cinder-spec until Nov 15th. I will update the spec. Could you review it? | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: +1 on dependent review | 16:13 |
| DuncanT | <DuncanT> mtanino, You can and should submit the code even if the spec isn't approved as long as it isn't looking contentious, but I will certainly take a look | 16:13 |
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| DuncanT | <mtanino> DuncanT: I understand. I will post latest code. | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: mtanino DEF work on the code | 16:13 |
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| mtanino | jgriffith: sorry, What meanings of DEF work? | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | mtanino: DEF is short for definitely ;) | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | (trying to keep the agenda just to new driver folks today, most of the core team is still away post-summit | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | ) | 16:14 |
| mtanino | jgriffith: I understand. | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | mtanino: cool | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | mtanino: have you spent much time looking at the Nova side of this yet? | 16:17 |
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| mtanino | jgriffith: As for nova side, I have not spent much time. | 16:19 |
| mtanino | jgriffith: The spec had +2 previously and also have +2 for kilo. | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | mtanino: cool | 16:20 |
| DuncanT | mtanino, do you have a definite sponsor from nova-core? | 16:20 |
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| mtanino | jgriffith: Daniel gave me +2, but I don't have definite sponsor in nova side. | 16:21 |
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| DuncanT | mtanino, getting somebody to sign up as a named sponsor is worth doing | 16:22 |
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| mtanino | DuncanT: If my proposal approved cinder side, I will talk about sponsor with nova core member. | 16:23 |
| DuncanT | Offtopic - Philae done gone and successfully roped itself a comet | 16:23 |
| DuncanT | mtanino, Makes sense | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: avishay so do we want to plan a sort of "recap" for next weeks meeting? | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | ie recap of the summit? | 16:30 |
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| jgriffith | Major bullet items at least | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith, That'd be a good plan | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith, I need to write it up for the HP team, I'll probably post it on the list too | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: yeah, was thinking a descent summary (not the etherpads) and maybe some prioritization and owners/sponsors | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith, yup | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | honestly I thought more of us would be back today, kinda quiet :) | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith, The midcycle meetup etherpad was more readable that the summit ones, because it was largely the work of one person | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: yeah, tends to work out that way | 16:32 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith, hopefully we can get a similarly coherent writeup of the summit, and get people to chip in on the none-cinder-track sessions I wasn't at | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: should we just cut out and go back to Cinder channel? | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | Yeah | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | #endmeeting | 16:38 |
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| jgriffith | seems mtanino was the only participant other than you and I | 16:38 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 12 16:38:28 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | Thanks all | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder__unofficial_meeting/2014/cinder__unofficial_meeting.2014-11-12-16.12.html | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder__unofficial_meeting/2014/cinder__unofficial_meeting.2014-11-12-16.12.txt | 16:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder__unofficial_meeting/2014/cinder__unofficial_meeting.2014-11-12-16.12.log.html | 16:38 |
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| mtanino | jgriffith: :) | 16:38 |
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| Swanson | thingee canceled, right? | 17:01 |
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| rajinir | Nov 12th, 2014 16:00 UTC | 17:07 |
| rajinir | Cancelled since the summit just happened last week. We'll meet again November 19th. | 17:07 |
| rajinir | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 17:07 |
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| viveknarasimhan | Is the vmware-api meeting cancelled today? | 17:09 |
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| dims | viveknarasimhan: looks like it | 17:11 |
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| viveknarasimhan | dims: ok , we will sync up over email then | 17:16 |
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| viveknarasimhan | dims: if Feng and your team has question on the whitepaper which talks bout the solution, please hit out mail | 17:17 |
| dims | viveknarasimhan: will do thanks | 17:17 |
| viveknarasimhan | dims: thanks a lot, good day! | 17:17 |
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| tjones | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 12 18:01:48 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 18:01 |
| tjones | hey folks | 18:01 |
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| tjones | #endmeeting | 18:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 12 18:05:02 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-11-12-18.01.html | 18:05 |
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