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| akamyshnikova | hi! | 12:59 |
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| rpodolyaka | o/ | 13:00 |
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| HenryG | akamyshnikova, rpodolyaka, jlibosva, salv-orlando, markmcclain: Hello | 13:00 |
| jlibosva | hello | 13:00 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando and markmcclain are not here, maybe they will show up later | 13:01 |
| HenryG | #startmeeting neutron_db | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 21 13:01:52 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is HenryG. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_db)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_db' | 13:01 |
| HenryG | Agenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NeutronDB#Agenda | 13:02 |
| HenryG | Thanks again to everyone for the great work in getting the healing merged! | 13:02 |
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| HenryG | Now we need to clean up some things and look at testing. | 13:02 |
| HenryG | #topic Unit Tests | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Unit Tests (Meeting topic: neutron_db)" | 13:02 | |
| HenryG | Problems with migrations unit test in the gate | 13:02 |
| rpodolyaka | yeah, so spent some time today debugging unit tests failures in the gate | 13:02 |
| HenryG | #link: https://review.openstack.org/76520 | 13:02 |
| akamyshnikova | #link https://review.openstack.org/107992 | 13:03 |
| rpodolyaka | the reason is that we have tables using different mysql engines: some of them use innodb, other use myisam | 13:03 |
| rpodolyaka | the problem is that you can reference a column of a myisam table from an innodb table | 13:03 |
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| rpodolyaka | the mysql version in the gate defaults to myisam | 13:04 |
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| rpodolyaka | and we specify the engine to be used only in a few migration scripts | 13:04 |
| rpodolyaka | while others use default value | 13:04 |
| jlibosva | I've done some time ago patch to unify engines, maybe it can be handy - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81334/ | 13:04 |
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| rpodolyaka | e.g. my mysql defaults to innodb | 13:04 |
| rpodolyaka | so the same tests work fine for me | 13:05 |
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| rpodolyaka | so the solution is straightforward - convert all tables to innodb | 13:05 |
| rpodolyaka | and check all new tables to be created will use it | 13:05 |
| rpodolyaka | the problem is that we have to support existing installations of neutron | 13:06 |
| rpodolyaka | which might have myisam tables | 13:06 |
| rpodolyaka | converting those to innodb can take *some* time | 13:06 |
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| rpodolyaka | so this particular migration script is going to be slow | 13:06 |
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| rpodolyaka | jlibosva: yeah, we definitely will need that | 13:07 |
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| rpodolyaka | for new installations | 13:07 |
| rpodolyaka | and for existing ones - another migration script... | 13:08 |
| HenryG | I am not familiar with backends and storage engines. Does this affect PostgresSQL? | 13:08 |
| * rpodolyaka blames mysql defaults... | 13:08 | |
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| akamyshnikova | HenryG, no | 13:08 |
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| rpodolyaka | nope | 13:08 |
| HenryG | Phew. | 13:09 |
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| HenryG | OK, so we see how the patch to force InnoDB goes, then rebase the unit test patch on that? | 13:09 |
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| akamyshnikova | HenryG, yes | 13:10 |
| rpodolyaka | yeah. and jlibosva's patch to patch existing migration scripts | 13:10 |
| rpodolyaka | we could even squash them | 13:10 |
| jlibosva | It also contains function to change current tables to use given storage engine | 13:10 |
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| rpodolyaka | ah, great | 13:11 |
| HenryG | Either way is fine/ | 13:11 |
| rpodolyaka | jlibosva: have you tested it on big tables? | 13:11 |
| rpodolyaka | big == >1KK of rows | 13:11 |
| jlibosva | rpodolyaka: no, just ordinary | 13:11 |
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| jlibosva | and it takes some time ... | 13:12 |
| rpodolyaka | yep :( | 13:12 |
| rpodolyaka | anyway, it doesn't seem we have much choice her | 13:12 |
| jlibosva | agreed | 13:12 |
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| rpodolyaka | though, I'd ask mysql gurus first :) | 13:12 |
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| HenryG | Do you think many existing installations have MyISAM tables? | 13:13 |
| rpodolyaka | good question | 13:13 |
| rpodolyaka | it depends on the mysql version these installations use | 13:14 |
| rpodolyaka | I mean, there may be no such cases at all | 13:14 |
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| rpodolyaka | ..or all the tables might be myisam ones (except 3 tables we set the engine explicitly for) | 13:15 |
| akamyshnikova | if some table use myisam heal_migration wll fail | 13:16 |
| HenryG | We'll have to document that it will take time if there are big existing MyISAM tables. | 13:17 |
| rpodolyaka | I just hope mysql switched the default value to innodb a long time ago... | 13:17 |
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| HenryG | Why is the gate defaulting to MyISAM? | 13:18 |
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| rpodolyaka | we should check the mysqld config of the gate | 13:19 |
| rpodolyaka | either we set the default engine to be myisam, or mysql does | 13:19 |
| HenryG | rpodolyaka: Can you investigate? | 13:19 |
| rpodolyaka | HenryG: sure! | 13:20 |
| rpodolyaka | rpodolyaka@rpodolyaka-pc:~/src/config$ grep -i myisam . -R | 13:20 |
| rpodolyaka | ./modules/openstack_project/manifests/slave_db.pp: 'default_engine' => 'MyISAM', | 13:20 |
| rpodolyaka | will take a look | 13:20 |
| HenryG | #action rpodolyaka to research storage engine configuration in the gate | 13:20 |
| HenryG | rpodolyaka: Thanks! | 13:21 |
| rpodolyaka | np | 13:21 |
| HenryG | Let's move on to the next item in the agenda | 13:21 |
| HenryG | #topic Rewriting History | 13:21 |
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| HenryG | Nuage plugin wants to delete some migrations from the timeline | 13:21 |
| HenryG | #link https://review.openstack.org/105611 | 13:22 |
| jlibosva | Do they have a reason to do so? | 13:22 |
| jlibosva | imo it could be done by usual migration script | 13:22 |
| HenryG | They changed their design | 13:22 |
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| HenryG | They want to undo that and do it a different way | 13:22 |
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| akamyshnikova | in commit message mentioned that no deployment work was done | 13:23 |
| HenryG | akamyshnikova: yes | 13:23 |
| HenryG | Question is, should we allow them to remove the two migrations? Or as jlibosva said, fix it with a new migration? | 13:24 |
| akamyshnikova | I don't like the idea of removing migrations, but may be in this it is ok... | 13:25 |
| jlibosva | If someone is working with trunk and deployed juno, they already have all tables because of db_heal | 13:25 |
| jlibosva | if they make a change in timeline before healing, the change won't affect people using current trunk | 13:26 |
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| HenryG | jlibosva: You are right. Even if they do not use nuage plugin, it is a problem. | 13:27 |
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| jlibosva | yes | 13:27 |
| HenryG | Because now all tables are in the DB. | 13:27 |
| HenryG | OK, I will comment on that patch. | 13:28 |
| HenryG | next | 13:28 |
| HenryG | #topic Model Class Consolidation | 13:28 |
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| HenryG | This is about moving all model classes to one directory. | 13:29 |
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| HenryG | This is a big code shuffle change. | 13:29 |
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| jlibosva | I think it would be better to separate plugin models instead of putting everything in one file | 13:30 |
| jlibosva | Because of packaging | 13:30 |
| HenryG | jlibosva: Agreed. In fact, I think we should have a lot of separate files. Almost as there are today. | 13:31 |
| HenryG | But all under one directory | 13:31 |
| HenryG | And containing only the models. | 13:31 |
| jlibosva | good idea | 13:31 |
| jlibosva | it will give packagers option to exclude plugin specific models | 13:32 |
| jlibosva | hm, then again, they are already in db | 13:32 |
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| HenryG | jlibosva: right. From now on they should not split models out of any packages. | 13:32 |
| * jlibosva shuts up :) | 13:33 | |
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| HenryG | But having separate files will allow more efficient importing in the rest of the neutron code base where needed. | 13:33 |
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| HenryG | We don't need everyone import all models all the time. | 13:34 |
| HenryG | I think it is OK to file a bug for this work? | 13:34 |
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| akamyshnikova | can not it be part of bp about db-refactor? | 13:35 |
| jlibosva | I agree with akamyshnikova | 13:35 |
| HenryG | akamyshnikova: It could be, but mestery wants to mark that BP as done this week. :) | 13:36 |
| jlibosva | HenryG: I can start working on it today | 13:36 |
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| HenryG | (Although I see no problem using an "Implemented" BP to commit code.) | 13:37 |
| HenryG | jlibosva: Thanks! | 13:37 |
| jlibosva | I mean that should optimistically imply we can make it this week :-) | 13:37 |
| HenryG | moving on | 13:38 |
| HenryG | #topic Grenade | 13:38 |
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| HenryG | I have not given this much attention :( | 13:38 |
| jlibosva | I did a little | 13:38 |
| jlibosva | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106000/ | 13:38 |
| jlibosva | I fail to get sdague to take a look on the link above | 13:38 |
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| jlibosva | It should bring neutron grenade testing back to life. Although, there still could be tempest failures due to flakies since it runs tempest twice | 13:39 |
| HenryG | #action HenryG and mestery to poke sdague to look at https://review.openstack.org/106000 | 13:40 |
| HenryG | Thanks jlibosva, I'll try to help getting more traction on this now | 13:41 |
| jlibosva | HenryG: thanks | 13:41 |
| mestery | HenryG: Looked | 13:41 |
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| HenryG | mestery: thanks! | 13:42 |
| HenryG | #topic Reorganize Migrations | 13:43 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando is not here | 13:43 |
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| HenryG | akamyshnikova: I guess you are not working much on this yet? | 13:43 |
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| HenryG | Sorry | 13:44 |
| HenryG | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron-specs/tree/specs/juno/reorganize_migrations.rst | 13:44 |
| akamyshnikova | I have a talk with salv-orlando on Friday, but with all this tests failing I don't have time to think much about it | 13:44 |
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| HenryG | akamyshnikova: Understood. No problem. | 13:45 |
| HenryG | We'll discuss it more when the test items are done | 13:46 |
| akamyshnikova | HenryG, thanks | 13:46 |
| HenryG | #topic Open discussion | 13:46 |
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| jlibosva | I have one thing: There is neutron-db-manage command that doesn't fit with other similar openstack component's tools | 13:47 |
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| jlibosva | e.g. nova has "nova db sync" without providing any configuration file because it can be obtained automatically with oslo function | 13:47 |
| jlibosva | I'd like to unify this with other services so Neutron doesn't differ. My question is: should I file it as a bug or BP? SAD has passed :( | 13:48 |
| jlibosva | and what are your opinions on this idea? | 13:48 |
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| akamyshnikova | for me it sounds more like bp | 13:49 |
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| HenryG | agreed | 13:49 |
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| HenryG | Which means Kilo | 13:50 |
| HenryG | I think that is OK though | 13:50 |
| akamyshnikova | I have one small question. Are we going to have some meeting or talks on summit in Paris this year that I should participate in? | 13:50 |
| HenryG | For Juno we should just tweak the template for autogenerate | 13:50 |
| HenryG | akamyshnikova: the design sessions are usually decided quite late. | 13:52 |
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| HenryG | That said, I personally don't have any DB session planned, since the Neutron DB 'team' is so small. | 13:53 |
| akamyshnikova | HenryG, ok, thanks :) | 13:54 |
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| HenryG | Not sure about oslo.db at the summit. rpodolyaka ? | 13:54 |
| HenryG | akamyshnikova: But I highly recommend attending the summit anyway, for all openstack developers. :) | 13:55 |
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| rpodolyaka | HenryG: not sure, if I make to the summit this time | 13:55 |
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| HenryG | Well, I hope to have an informal session with any DB folks that are at the summit. We'll just discuss any items that are current at the time, and maybe discuss future plans. | 13:59 |
| HenryG | But it looks like the big items will be behind us by then. | 14:00 |
| HenryG | Thanks everyone! | 14:00 |
| HenryG | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:01 | |
| akamyshnikova | thanks! bye! | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 21 14:01:01 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:01 |
| jlibosva | Thanks, bye | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-07-21-13.01.html | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-07-21-13.01.txt | 14:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-07-21-13.01.log.html | 14:01 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 21 16:00:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | hi everyone | 16:00 |
| xazel | Hey! | 16:00 |
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| dzimine | hello! | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | hey | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's start | 16:01 |
| akuznetsova | hi there | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Review AIs | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | surprisingly, no action items from the last time | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | which is bad | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | they always should be ) | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Current Status (by team member) | 16:03 |
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| xazel | Fixed a bug related to context calculation for tasks with multiple dependencies, replaced incubator's oslo.db with standalone one and researched the migration mechanics. | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | Kirill, did you add a TODO comment about two transactions? I still didn't look at that | 16:04 |
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| xazel | yep, about 5 hours ago | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:05 |
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| akuznetsova | I have a little progress, because most of the time I worked with other projects. However I fixed all comments in my patches with client tests and researched how to write tests for console client | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | my status: I keep working on the new engine, last week I effectively had only about 2 days for that. Today I made a few commits and trying to implement reverse workflow handler (since it's the simplest one) and clarify protocol between Engine and WorkflowHandler | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, ok | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | btw, guys please review Nastya's commits so that she could move forward | 16:07 |
| dzimine | ok | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | #action dzimine (and optionally xazel): review commits related to integration testing from akuznetsova | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:08 |
| xazel | sure | 16:08 |
| dzimine | I didn’t spent time on Mistral last week, this week plan to catch up with Renat’s upcoming changes and discuss if needed. | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, yes | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | sure | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, your most important contribution for me now is our meetings every Friday ) | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | btw, I looked at your version of speaking proposal, it looks good | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | our writers included your second paragraph in their edited version | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | if you're ok with the current version (I am) then we can submit it | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | xazel, as far as those two TX and sqlite it's worth discussing a little bit here at this meeting (let's do in open discussion) | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Further Plans | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | my plan for this week is fully figure out the new engine architecture, data models, protocols between different components and implement reverse workflow and cover it with tests | 16:13 |
| xazel | I'll have not too much time this week so a couple of reviews per day is all I'll be able to do. | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | of course, I'll reuse the pieces of code that we already have which is supposed to simplify things | 16:13 |
| dzimine | BTW Renat may be a linear workflow will be easier & more interesting. | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | It's more interesting, right, but not easier ) | 16:14 |
| akuznetsova | i am going to finally finish with mistralclient tests and work with tests for console client | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, actually not a problem, if you insist I can implement linear first | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | I chose reverse for simplicity only | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, is there anything we could help with? | 16:16 |
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| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, no, thanks | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | so that you can finish your client tests | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | let me capture what we said | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, fully figure out the new engine architecture, data models, protocols between different components and implement reverse (or linear?) workflow and cover it with tests | 16:17 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, btw i also wait for this commit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107255/ | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | yeah, I know | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | the only thing we can do here is try to ping them in IRC | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | #action akuznetsova, ping folks at #openstack-infra about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107255/ | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | #action akuznetsova, finish with mistralclient tests and work with tests for console client | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Open discussion | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | xazel, as for sqlite | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | I had a discussion with several folks about it | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | they said it's de facto a requirement in OpenStack to support sqlite | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | even though I don't really agree with that requirement | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | so I'm planning to verify that information and if it's true we'll have to find a proper solution | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | one of the solutions I see is to handle parallel queries (which sqlite does not do well on its own) right in Mistral | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | in db api | 16:23 |
| xazel | then we would need to find a way to queue the changes somehow instead of trying to perform them simultaneously from different threads. I have not enough experience to say something for sure, but it doesn't seems like an easy task... | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | the simplest way would be just to catch an exception and retry a query multiple times till it succeeds | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | right | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | or we could just pile them in a sort of internal queue | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | to serialize them | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | but for now I'm ok with that solution with 2 TXs | 16:25 |
| xazel | it actually makes some sense if you think about it long enough =) | 16:26 |
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| rakhmerov | :) | 16:27 |
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| dzimine | “long enough” indeed - I just looked at this for 15 min and it doesn’t :) | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | but... | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | pls let's don't be too picky right now with that commit | 16:28 |
| xazel | we can always separate each transaction into its own function and it will immediately became less confusing =) | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | because the way how transactions look now may change in the new implementation (most likely will) | 16:28 |
| dzimine | readability doesn’t confuse me at all, what confuses me is trying to figure what can go wrong. | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | yes, you can do this but this is just for readability | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, I agree | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | It confused me even after we talked about it with Kirill during 20-25 mins :) | 16:30 |
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| dzimine | in new impl, do you think of queues/locks instead of relying on DB transaction? | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | the next day after that I looked at the code and said "woooow, what's that?" :) | 16:30 |
| xazel | it would also limit variable contexts... anyway, I've look at it long enough and it still seems good enough for me. | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, it's one of the ideas I'm trying to shape in my head | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | I have an idea but it's a little bit too crazy | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | and it's not shaped on 100% | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | but yes, somehow I would love to be able not to rely on transactions at all | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | generally speaking, transactions are almost not scalable | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | if you have any ideas please share them | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, btw, would you be able to talk about the new design on you Tue after our meeting with Angus? | 16:34 |
| dzimine | yes. | 16:35 |
| dzimine | I’ll be up to date with your changes by than. | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | so I'm not going to set any meetings then, I'll just reach you out after the conversation with Angus | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | other than that I don't have anything else from my side | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | for today | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | how about you guys? | 16:37 |
| dzimine | rakhmerov you mentioned some new potential contributors, any update on this? | 16:37 |
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| rakhmerov | yep, he's ready to start. I planned to assign something simple to him early this week | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, assign a couple of tasks to bhavenst | 16:38 |
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| dzimine | there’s a bug just reported on exectution completing with wrong status, may be a good starting task. | 16:40 |
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| rakhmerov | just reported? | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | which one? | 16:40 |
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| dzimine | [Bug 1346356] [NEW] execution-shoud-be-error-in-case-task-errored | 16:41 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1346356 in mistral "execution-shoud-be-error-in-case-task-errored" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1346356 | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, thanks | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | done | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | anything else? | 16:43 |
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| akuznetsova | not from my side | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | let's shut the meeting down then | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | thanks to everyone | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | bye | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 21 16:43:48 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-07-21-16.00.html | 16:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-07-21-16.00.txt | 16:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-07-21-16.00.log.html | 16:43 |
| xazel | thanks! | 16:44 |
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| sarob | anyone here for the training meeting? | 16:56 |
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| MeganR | Hi Sean | 16:57 |
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| rluethi | yup | 16:58 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: are you here yet? | 16:58 |
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| sarob | my network connection is really bad here | 16:59 |
| sarob | i was hoping to have dguitarbite run the meeting today and just focus on stable progress | 17:00 |
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| sarob | sigh | 17:00 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 21 17:01:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 17:01 |
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| sarob | roll call | 17:01 |
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| rluethi | still here | 17:02 |
| MeganR | Hello | 17:02 |
| sarob | hi guys | 17:02 |
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| sarob | #topic stable udpate | 17:03 |
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| sarob | meganr: can you fill in for dguitarbite? | 17:03 |
| sarob | meganr: stable progress? | 17:04 |
| rluethi | sarob: I talked to dguitarbite earlier today. he says he's almost done with install docs. | 17:04 |
| MeganR | Hi, we have been through the Install guides, and have a few more bugs to submit/correct | 17:04 |
| rluethi | sarob: he meant to ask about deliverables and deadlines for juno. | 17:04 |
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| sarob | 24 july is juno milestone 2 | 17:05 |
| sarob | targeted icehouse compatibility with training guides | 17:06 |
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| rluethi | sarob: meaning being able to install icehouse, right? | 17:06 |
| sarob | do you guys think we are almost there? | 17:06 |
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| sarob | rluethi, well yes, but train on icehouse | 17:07 |
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| rluethi | sarob: I don't know. I was supposed to help out as soon as the missing patches land, but I don't think they're quite there yet. | 17:07 |
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| rluethi | I doubt scripts will be ready by M2. | 17:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | I know i can jump in and help out with the install docs too. I am waiting on those to be complete | 17:08 |
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| sarob | okay, so we should identity what is missing | 17:09 |
| sarob | sounds like a blueprint | 17:10 |
| sarob | my network access is really bad where i am | 17:10 |
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| ShillaSaebi | do you want us to identify what is missing | 17:11 |
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| sarob | shillsaebi: yup, i thought we had a blueprint on this | 17:11 |
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| sarob | shillasaebi: i cant doublecheck right now, as only irc is working for me | 17:12 |
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| rluethi | general training blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/training-manuals | 17:13 |
| sarob | team, whether we get this done by the end of the week or not | 17:13 |
| rluethi | training manuals stable team etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-install-guide | 17:13 |
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| sarob | we must keep the two existing books current along with the scripts | 17:13 |
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| sarob | rleuthi: right of cource, brainfart on my part | 17:14 |
| sarob | i cannot bring up the etherpad right now, only irc is working | 17:14 |
| sarob | whats the status? | 17:15 |
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| fthamura | greeting all, sorry late | 17:15 |
| sarob | fthamura: no problem | 17:16 |
| rluethi | sarob: etherpad doesn't seem to have been updated in a while, if that's what you mean | 17:16 |
| sarob | rluethi: it looks that way | 17:17 |
| sarob | okay the etherpad is a good start | 17:17 |
| MeganR | We have been working off of: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/basic-install-guide-rough-draft | 17:17 |
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| sarob | my network access is bad | 17:18 |
| MeganR | We broke out the Install Guide more, with the bugs that have been submitted and some to do items at the bottom | 17:18 |
| fthamura | MeganR: we are working here also for single server installation step, i tought i shared to mailing list the URL | 17:18 |
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| fthamura | but still keystone, nova, glance, heat and cinder are still in development | 17:19 |
| sarob | meganr: right, it looks good | 17:19 |
| MeganR | ok | 17:19 |
| sarob | meganr: so how much more work do you think is needed | 17:20 |
| fthamura | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WhizaYY0CgT6kMQTAFWC-lmOoJBsDrMnKAhQTP-aAfI/edit?usp=sharing -> but indonesian language | 17:21 |
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| MeganR | Sarob: I know that Shilla has been throughly through the install guide, and I have a correction to make. I will loop back through the etherpad this afternoon, to see what else is needed. | 17:22 |
| sarob | fthamura: lets wait to discuss in minute, we are discussing the stable team right | 17:22 |
| sarob | now | 17:22 |
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| sarob | meganr: great. I value your team feedback. | 17:25 |
| sarob | meganr, ShillaSaebi: lets follow up on the ML over the next few days | 17:25 |
| MeganR | ok | 17:25 |
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| sarob | #action: stable team needs a list of bugs and todos for icehouse support | 17:26 |
| sarob | lets move one | 17:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | sounds good | 17:26 |
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| sarob | rluethi: what say you? | 17:28 |
| rluethi | I didn't say anything :). | 17:28 |
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| sarob | rluethi: /me waving hands | 17:28 |
| sarob | arg | 17:28 |
| rluethi | sarob: can I have a more precise question? | 17:29 |
| * sarob waving hands | 17:29 | |
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| sarob | whats going on with the scripts? | 17:29 |
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| sarob | any update? | 17:29 |
| rluethi | sarob: scripts are waiting for guide to finish. | 17:29 |
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| rluethi | sarob: it's what I've been saying for over a month now. | 17:30 |
| rluethi | sarob: scripts follow guides, not the other way round. | 17:30 |
| sarob | rluethi: okay, right, i think i remember dguitarbite saying something about | 17:30 |
| sarob | rluethi: something you were working on | 17:31 |
| rluethi | I am just talking about M2 stuff. | 17:31 |
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| rluethi | There are other targets and projects. | 17:31 |
| rluethi | KVM support, for instance. | 17:31 |
| sarob | rluethi: i will look up my notes and ping you on the ML later | 17:31 |
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| rluethi | sarob: sure. | 17:32 |
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| sarob | rluethi: what about supporting other langauges? | 17:32 |
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| rluethi | sarob: is that M2, too? | 17:33 |
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| rluethi | sarob: I postponed it while working on other stuff. | 17:33 |
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| rluethi | sarob: Do we have content in other languages already? | 17:34 |
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| sarob | rluethi: still there? | 17:35 |
| sarob | hmm, looks like we lost him | 17:35 |
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| sarob | i catch up later | 17:36 |
| rluethi | sarob: I'm still here. | 17:36 |
| sarob | moving on | 17:36 |
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| sarob | rluethi: sorry, it probably my network access, real bad | 17:36 |
| sarob | rluethi: ja support through docs | 17:37 |
| rluethi | sarob: we have some pot files, but do we actually have something that we could turn into non-English training-guide, even just for testing? | 17:37 |
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| sarob | rluethi: not training guide yets | 17:37 |
| rluethi | sarob: ack | 17:37 |
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| sarob | rluethi: docs use the publishing job | 17:38 |
| sarob | rluethi: we could reuse the ja lang job to start since docs is already using it | 17:38 |
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| rluethi | sarob: okay | 17:39 |
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| sarob | #action rluethi take a look at the existing doc ja language publishing job, how easy to reuse for training guides | 17:41 |
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| sarob | #topic testing update | 17:42 |
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| sarob | matjazp: around? | 17:42 |
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| rluethi | sarob: he threatened to get stuck in traffic. | 17:43 |
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| sarob | ah, no problem | 17:43 |
| sarob | my bits are traffic jammed as well | 17:43 |
| sarob | #topic any other business | 17:44 |
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| sarob | is vince here? | 17:44 |
| sarob | or anyone from his team at ibm? | 17:44 |
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| sarob | reed: we need to circle back with vince on getting a few of his people to join us | 17:46 |
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| rluethi | sarob: what's up with the merge of upstream training material? | 17:46 |
| sarob | #action sarob, reed follow up with vince on joining the team | 17:46 |
| sarob | rluethi: i am jammed up | 17:47 |
| rluethi | sarob: fair enough | 17:47 |
| sarob | rluethi: it looks like epicslide is the way to go | 17:47 |
| rluethi | sarob: I didn't want to call it before having seen the final version of the material. | 17:47 |
| sarob | rluethi: im at oscon so maybe i get push some new bits tonight | 17:47 |
| sarob | rluethi: call it? | 17:48 |
| rluethi | landslide vs. epicslide :) | 17:48 |
| sarob | rluethi: ah right | 17:48 |
| sarob | rluethi: me either | 17:48 |
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| sarob | anything else training peoples? | 17:50 |
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| sarob | okay, i will follow up with you guys over the ML this week | 17:50 |
| sarob | reach out with any questions or ideas | 17:50 |
| sarob | to the team over the ML | 17:50 |
| sarob | have a great day! | 17:50 |
| MeganR | you too! | 17:50 |
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| sarob | #endmeeting | 17:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 21 17:51:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-07-21-17.01.html | 17:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-07-21-17.01.txt | 17:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-07-21-17.01.log.html | 17:51 |
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| krtaylor | #startmeeting third-party | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 21 18:00:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 18:00 |
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| krtaylor | Hi everyone | 18:00 |
| krtaylor | Who is here for third-party meeting? | 18:00 |
| lukego | Hoi | 18:00 |
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| luqas | o/ | 18:00 |
| hemanthravi | hi | 18:00 |
| ignacio-scopetta | o/ | 18:00 |
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| bmwiedemann | me | 18:00 |
| smcginnis | Listening in. | 18:00 |
| adalbas | hi | 18:00 |
| daya_k | hi | 18:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 18:01 |
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| bookwar | hi | 18:01 |
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| akerr | o/ | 18:01 |
| krtaylor | jungleboyj, thanks! | 18:01 |
| dougwig | o/ | 18:01 |
| jungleboyj | krtaylor: Welcome. | 18:01 |
| krtaylor | welcome everyone! | 18:01 |
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| krtaylor | looks like we have a good group today | 18:02 |
| krtaylor | here is the agenda for today's meeting: | 18:02 |
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| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 18:02 |
| sweston | o/ | 18:02 |
| krtaylor | #topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission | 18:02 |
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| krtaylor | #info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:03 |
| krtaylor | alright on to business then | 18:03 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Review of previous week's open action items | 18:03 |
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| krtaylor | sweston, any movement on the terminology proposal? | 18:04 |
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| sweston | krtaylor: just what has already gone out to the mailing list. | 18:04 |
| bmwiedemann | ERROR vs FAILURE is a particularly interesting one | 18:04 |
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| krtaylor | I missed a bit of that discussion due to terrible mail filtering, trying to catch up on that today | 18:04 |
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| omrim | Hello | 18:05 |
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| sweston | krtaylor: there wasn't a whole lot, other than my and anteaya's input. | 18:05 |
| krtaylor | sweston, would it help to net out some of the discussion on the etherpad? | 18:05 |
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| krtaylor | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ThirdPartyVotingTerms | 18:05 |
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| krtaylor | that pad could be reused | 18:05 |
| sweston | krtaylor: it's all there, already | 18:06 |
| anteaya | o/ | 18:06 |
| krtaylor | sweston, then do you want to push a patchset for it? | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | then we can decide/vote and get it in the third-party.rst | 18:07 |
| * mestery lurks | 18:07 | |
| sweston | krtaylor: yup | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | or I can take an action to do that if you wish | 18:07 |
| sweston | krtaylor: I would be happy to push the patchset | 18:08 |
| akerr | so Failure is used to also indicate something went wrong when running the test? There's not a separate Error? | 18:08 |
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| krtaylor | #action sweston to draft a patch for initial terminology | 18:08 |
| krtaylor | thanks sweston | 18:08 |
| sweston | krtaylor: you bet | 18:09 |
| krtaylor | akerr, that is what we are discussing | 18:09 |
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| akerr | krtaylor: where is this discussion? I guess my mail filters failed as well | 18:09 |
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| krtaylor | akerr, openstack-dev | 18:10 |
| krtaylor | it has been mostly tagged third-party | 18:10 |
| * krtaylor wishes we could all agree to use one tag | 18:10 | |
| krtaylor | akerr, see the above link for the etherpad too | 18:11 |
| akerr | hmm ok, I'll have to figure out where they all went. My last third-party email is from July 6 | 18:11 |
| sweston | akerr: krtaylor actually, I posted it to openstack-infra, but all input so far is documented in the etherpad. | 18:11 |
| akerr | ok, I'll just put feedback into the etherpad | 18:11 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: who has been using a tag other than third-party? | 18:11 |
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| anteaya | the email issue is a dmarc issue if I have my acronyms straight | 18:12 |
| sweston | akerr: please do | 18:12 |
| anteaya | nothing to do with tagging emails | 18:12 |
| krtaylor | sweston, ah, thats why I missed it then (mine popped up in a weekly global search | 18:12 |
| jungleboyj | krtaylor: , the terms seem a little convoluted but I suppose it is just a matter of getting used to them as I don't have a better suggestion. | 18:12 |
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| krtaylor | jungleboyj, agreed, we can make them crisp | 18:12 |
| sweston | yes, initial drafts tend to be ambiguous | 18:13 |
| jungleboyj | krtaylor: Main concern is that people will see success and ignore that that doesn't really mean 'Passed'. | 18:13 |
| jungleboyj | krtaylor: That is an education thing though, I guess, that the cores will have to ehlp with. | 18:13 |
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| anteaya | we should get the terminalolgy correct | 18:14 |
| anteaya | since there is a big revolving door here | 18:14 |
| krtaylor | jungleboyj, that was a problem I see with how we are commenting today | 18:14 |
| anteaya | and getting bigger | 18:14 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, exactly | 18:14 |
| bmwiedemann | I find the "Success" meaning unintuitive - it just means, the test was run | 18:14 |
| sweston | anteaya, krtaylor +1 | 18:14 |
| bmwiedemann | and not that it succeeded | 18:14 |
| krtaylor | lets get it defined then we can draft recommendation on what goes where to describe what | 18:14 |
| anteaya | bmwiedemann: agreed to separate out, something ran from build succeeded | 18:14 |
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| krtaylor | bmwiedemann, thats what started all this - a good run may be a bad test result | 18:15 |
| krtaylor | note: I didnt use the word vote | 18:16 |
| * anteaya applaudes | 18:16 | |
| bmwiedemann | krtaylor: but IMHO it then was a "Run" - not a "Success" | 18:16 |
| krtaylor | anyway, I think it is a good start, we can put a stake in the ground | 18:16 |
| anteaya | let's get something up, yes | 18:17 |
| jungleboyj | Could the 'run' or 'executed' be used to indicate it ran successfully but more analysis may be necessary versus 'Success' which means you are done. | 18:17 |
| anteaya | more discussion will happen as a result | 18:17 |
| anteaya | see I would like to get away from success entirely | 18:17 |
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| anteaya | build succeeded is more what I would like to see | 18:17 |
| anteaya | laggy hotel wifi | 18:18 |
| krtaylor | thats why we need a formal vote aka patch, all the terms mean something different to each person | 18:18 |
| jungleboyj | anteaya: +1 That would make more sense. | 18:18 |
| daya_k | how about complete/incomplete, success/failure - 4 states each with its own detailed info | 18:18 |
| akerr | I guess I'm confused why you need to indicate a successful "run" if all it states is the test ran and gives no indication of the outcome. The fact the entry is there should be enough to indicate a run. Error would mean an unsuccessful run, Failed means successful run with bad outcome and Passed means successful run with good outcome | 18:18 |
| sweston | or maybe, more definitively, tests ran successfully | 18:18 |
| anteaya | akerr: what determines failed in your structure? | 18:19 |
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| anteaya | akerr: meaning who are what decides a run meets your failed criteria | 18:19 |
| akerr | anteaya: test runners like testr can distinguish between error and fail, if it exits with a bad code its error | 18:19 |
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| akerr | the test writer would need to know if the test errored | 18:20 |
| anteaya | okay, fair enough so error could be defined | 18:20 |
| krtaylor | I think it needs states defining possibilities, regardless if the CI system can reach that state or not | 18:20 |
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| anteaya | I like the idea of possibilities | 18:20 |
| krtaylor | lets enumerate all states and what to call them | 18:20 |
| anteaya | sounds good | 18:21 |
| krtaylor | sweston, you have the torch, it should be an interesting stream of comments :) | 18:21 |
| sweston | krtaylor: excellent, that is a beautiful start. | 18:21 |
| krtaylor | thats all I had on old business | 18:22 |
| krtaylor | did I miss anything? | 18:22 |
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| krtaylor | onward | 18:22 |
| krtaylor | #topic Announcements | 18:22 |
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| krtaylor | does anyone have any announcements? | 18:22 |
| krtaylor | I'll take that as no | 18:23 |
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| krtaylor | #topic OpenStack Program Items | 18:23 |
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| hemanthravi | krtaylor: one convergence ci had failures and these have been resolved | 18:23 |
| bmwiedemann | I could announce that SUSE plans to run openSUSE devstack tempest as third-party CI | 18:23 |
| hemanthravi | krtaylor: update kyle's etherpad at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-thirdparty-juno | 18:23 |
| hemanthravi | with this info | 18:23 |
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| krtaylor | hemanthravi, good progress! | 18:24 |
| krtaylor | bmwiedemann, that is also really good news | 18:24 |
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| krtaylor | bmwiedemann, do you have any details yet? | 18:24 |
| bmwiedemann | just a rough plan yet and it is certainly still a month away | 18:25 |
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| krtaylor | bmwiedemann, understood, it takes a while to get everything underway | 18:25 |
| bmwiedemann | also it is vacation time in Europe | 18:26 |
| krtaylor | ok, well, then on to program items | 18:26 |
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| krtaylor | anteaya, do you want to take us through some mid-cycle highlights? | 18:26 |
| anteaya | sure | 18:26 |
| anteaya | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Qa_Infra_Meetup_2014 | 18:26 |
| anteaya | so qa and infra had a meetup last week in darmstadt germany | 18:27 |
| anteaya | we got a lot of work done | 18:27 |
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| anteaya | it is outlined on the etherpad | 18:27 |
| anteaya | focusing on what was accomplished for third-party | 18:27 |
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| anteaya | we agreed I can get gerrit permissions to create new third-party accounts, but right now the feature set isn't there for me to edit them | 18:28 |
| anteaya | but we are working on getting the code merged upstream to do so | 18:28 |
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| anteaya | one large item is that the host for the sprint is deutsche telekom | 18:28 |
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| anteaya | which consumes third-party products for use with openstack | 18:29 |
| anteaya | so we talked and they will be joining the third party space | 18:29 |
| krtaylor | great | 18:29 |
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| anteaya | learning how to read logs, what expectations to have from tests | 18:29 |
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| anteaya | what a broken build means and how to work with the ci team to get the build working again | 18:29 |
| anteaya | how to attend and participate in meetings, how to review and so on | 18:30 |
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| krtaylor | I'm sure you pointed them here | 18:30 |
| anteaya | basically how to contribute and work with what we currently have happening with an eye on helping us improve | 18:30 |
| anteaya | oh yes | 18:30 |
| bmwiedemann | :-) | 18:30 |
| anteaya | now they have to dance with legal for a bit | 18:30 |
| krtaylor | ah, understood | 18:30 |
| anteaya | so after that we will start to see them around | 18:30 |
| anteaya | I'll be guiding them through, so any questions please let me help you | 18:31 |
| anteaya | so we keep our mutually beneficial collaborative environment we all have created | 18:31 |
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| sweston | sounds awesome!! we could use you in silicon valley :-) | 18:31 |
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| anteaya | also new patchsets on my third-party patches | 18:31 |
| anteaya | sweston: I'm willing to visit, and will never move there | 18:32 |
| anteaya | sweston: :D | 18:32 |
| anteaya | I think those are the highlights | 18:32 |
| anteaya | if anyone has questions now or later, do ask | 18:32 |
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| anteaya | we were busy | 18:32 |
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| sweston | anteaya :D | 18:33 |
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| krtaylor | anteaya, thanks! | 18:33 |
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| krtaylor | ok, so next is ease setup for newcomers, but not sure if joa could make it | 18:33 |
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| bmwiedemann | https://review.openstack.org/107655 goes in that direction - needs core reviewer | 18:34 |
| krtaylor | we may have to push that to next week, there was some indication that joa would not be here this week | 18:34 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: yes, that was my understanding | 18:34 |
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| krtaylor | bmwiedemann, that is interesting but needs a better commit message :) | 18:35 |
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| krtaylor | I'll take a look after the meeting | 18:35 |
| bmwiedemann | thanks. suggestions welcome. | 18:35 |
| anteaya | bmwiedemann: please use the topic:third-party | 18:36 |
| krtaylor | that is a goo bridge to the next topic, everyone, please review the patches proposed | 18:36 |
| krtaylor | good | 18:36 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/config+branch:master+topic:third-party,n,z | 18:36 |
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| bmwiedemann | the filter seems to not match on my review... can't it filter by filename? | 18:37 |
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| anteaya | bmwiedemann: it matches on topic | 18:38 |
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| krtaylor | bmwiedemann, that search is specific to topic | 18:38 |
| anteaya | so when you change it to topic:third-party it will pick it up | 18:38 |
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| krtaylor | bmwiedemann, I'll have to try that, not sure if it can | 18:38 |
| krtaylor | any discussion on those patches? | 18:38 |
| krtaylor | alright, we'll move on then | 18:39 |
| krtaylor | #topic Deadlines & Deprecations | 18:39 |
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| krtaylor | any new deadlines to communicate to the group? | 18:39 |
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| anteaya | it can filter on filename but part of teh point is is decideing on a convetion and sticking to it, which wwe have done and are doing | 18:40 |
| anteaya | part of learning to be part of the third-party group | 18:40 |
| * krtaylor needs to remember to set third-party as the patch topic | 18:41 | |
| anteaya | yep | 18:41 |
| krtaylor | #topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account | 18:41 |
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| lukego | I would like to get voting enable for the Tail-f CI account. Summary of the status: | 18:41 |
| lukego | Running again since June 10th. Initially it ran on the sandbox and more recently on Neutron (commenting w/o voting rights). I have been monitoring it ~daily and correcting/retriggering if an operational issue crops up. The changes it has posted results on are listed under https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/9695. The logs from the ~ 500 recent runs are under http://openstack-ci.tail-f.com:81/html/ci-logs/. | 18:41 |
| lukego | Last week on the 3rd party meeting we reviewed its output and found two issues. The first is that it used an IP address instead of a hostname for logs, and I have corrected that now. The other is that it should run more test cases, and I am currenly working on that. (I aim to setup the expanded test coverage in a staging environment to get a feel for it before taking it live.) | 18:41 |
| lukego | (pardon the paste. remarks prepared earlier :-)) | 18:41 |
| krtaylor | wow | 18:41 |
| anteaya | I think jungleboyj is up next | 18:42 |
| anteaya | according to the agenda we are all following | 18:42 |
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| krtaylor | lukego, hang on for open discussion | 18:42 |
| lukego | (Sorry, I saw it as a Gerrit account that shoudl be highlighted) | 18:42 |
| anteaya | or in future, add yourself to the agenda | 18:42 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 18:43 |
| krtaylor | ok, so jungleboyj has been so kind to agree to give us an update on cinder CI rollout | 18:43 |
| lukego | jungleboyj: humble apologies :) | 18:43 |
| jungleboyj | lukego: No problem. | 18:43 |
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| jungleboyj | krtaylor: How large a scope do you want? I only have high level view of Cinder in general. | 18:43 |
| anteaya | anything is a start | 18:44 |
| krtaylor | jungleboyj, you define, you might mention any areas that need help too | 18:44 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so at the highest level, DuncanT_away has started collecting up information from the driver owners on their progress. | 18:44 |
| anteaya | yay | 18:45 |
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| anteaya | way to go DuncanT_away | 18:45 |
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| jungleboyj | Anyone who hasn't reported they are working on this face having a patch pushed up removing their driver if they don't respond by 7/24. | 18:45 |
| jungleboyj | Everyone else needs to be providing regular updates. | 18:45 |
| jungleboyj | It seems EMC is in the lead for implementation at the moment. They have had CI running intermittently in the last couple of weeks. | 18:46 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: okay, that would be information we would like announced under deadlines and deprecations every week from now on | 18:46 |
| jungleboyj | anteaya: Ok. | 18:46 |
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| anteaya | and since that date is 2 days away, information of this nature should be announced on a weekly basis, going forward please | 18:47 |
| krtaylor | although that is before next meeting | 18:47 |
| krtaylor | jungleboyj, that has been brought up in the cinder meetings though | 18:47 |
| jungleboyj | krtaylor: Yes. | 18:47 |
| krtaylor | ok, good | 18:47 |
| anteaya | but part of the point of this space is to keep third party ci informed of deadlines | 18:47 |
| jungleboyj | we have been discussing this there for quite some time. | 18:47 |
| anteaya | espcially deadlines with deprecation attached to it | 18:47 |
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| jungleboyj | We are expecting that people will have their CI's running reliably by the time we have our meet up on 8/11. | 18:48 |
| anteaya | and I'm glad you have been putting this information in cinder meeting logs | 18:48 |
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| anteaya | jungleboyj: great, I don't but I won't rain on your parade | 18:48 |
| krtaylor | excellent, keep us in the loop | 18:48 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: let's hope I'm wrong | 18:48 |
| jungleboyj | anteaya: :-) | 18:49 |
| anteaya | :D | 18:49 |
| jungleboyj | anteaya: Need to put a stake in the sand somewhere. | 18:49 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: I'm all for that | 18:49 |
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| jungleboyj | As for details from IBM ... | 18:49 |
| jungleboyj | We have accounts created for everything but XIV and DS8k. | 18:50 |
| jungleboyj | Need those requests to get pushed through. | 18:50 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: have you made the requests? | 18:50 |
| jungleboyj | storwize has been able to trigger off the gerrit stream but is seeing a memory leak of some sort that causes the VM to be useless after a run or two. | 18:50 |
| jungleboyj | Anyone familiar with a problem like that? | 18:51 |
| jungleboyj | anteaya: Yes, there should have been a request from Eddie Lin for ds8k and Alon Marx for XIV. | 18:51 |
| * anteaya checks infra ml | 18:51 | |
| jungleboyj | on 7/16 and 7/13 respectively. | 18:51 |
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| krtaylor | jungleboyj, the VM isnt created new for each test run? | 18:51 |
| sweston | jungleboyj: sounds like an issue I encountered with trying to re-use slave nodes | 18:52 |
| krtaylor | its not reall meant to be re-used | 18:52 |
| jungleboyj | krtaylor: sweston If it hurts, don't do that? | 18:52 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2014-July/001577.html | 18:52 |
| krtaylor | hehheh | 18:52 |
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| anteaya | jungleboyj: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2014-July/001575.html | 18:52 |
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| anteaya | jungleboyj: you are good to go | 18:52 |
| sweston | krtaylor: yes, they are certainly not meant to be re-used :-) | 18:53 |
| jungleboyj | anteaya: Great. Thank you. I will pass those along. May have just been missed. | 18:53 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: np | 18:53 |
| krtaylor | jungleboyj, it's always good practice to start a fresh vm for each pass | 18:53 |
| jungleboyj | sweston: krtaylor Ok, I will pass that info along and make sure everyone is aware. | 18:53 |
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| krtaylor | jungleboyj, anything else? | 18:54 |
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| jungleboyj | Otherwise, each backend drivers has run the required tempest test cases and is working on getting their master/slave nodes set up. | 18:54 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: thanks for sharing the info | 18:54 |
| jungleboyj | mostly done there and have all the hardware in Tucson to eventually house this in one place. | 18:54 |
| jungleboyj | So, we are making good progress. | 18:54 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: do the cinder third-party ci folks know they can attend meetings and add agenda items if they have issues? | 18:55 |
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| jungleboyj | anteaya: You are welcome and thank you for the account updates. | 18:55 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: :D | 18:55 |
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| krtaylor | jungleboyj, thanks for giving us the Cinder update! | 18:55 |
| jungleboyj | anteaya: I will put that on this week's agenda for the weekly meeting. It has been mentioned but could use another plug. | 18:55 |
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| anteaya | jungleboyj: thanks | 18:55 |
| jungleboyj | krtaylor: My pleasure. | 18:55 |
| krtaylor | yes, please have any cinder teams use this group as a resource | 18:55 |
| jungleboyj | Will do. | 18:56 |
| krtaylor | ok, almost out of time | 18:56 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 18:56 |
| lukego | Question: How should I follow up on the above? | 18:56 |
| krtaylor | lukego, you are up | 18:56 |
| anteaya | lukego: read http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html#permissions-on-your-third-party-system | 18:56 |
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| anteaya | this body had no mandate | 18:56 |
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| anteaya | we can vote on nothing | 18:56 |
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| anteaya | we are not elected | 18:56 |
| anteaya | what we can do is talk amoungst ourselves and share information | 18:57 |
| lukego | anteaya: Thanks for the link | 18:57 |
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| anteaya | acourding to the third party meeting goals | 18:57 |
| anteaya | lukego: thanks for asking | 18:57 |
| anteaya | but when it comes to status changes, you need to address the program you want permissions from | 18:57 |
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| krtaylor | lukego, the project would have to determine if permissions could be changed | 18:57 |
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| anteaya | we can evaluate logs and a system, but it is the project that has the decision | 18:58 |
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| krtaylor | lukego, get on their weekly meeting agenda and ask for a change in permissions | 18:58 |
| lukego | understood. I misunderstood and thought I should get a formal blessing here first. thanks for clearing up | 18:58 |
| anteaya | we can help you but forward a strong ci history and presentation | 18:58 |
| anteaya | if that is what you would like assistance with | 18:58 |
| anteaya | np | 18:58 |
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| anteaya | glad you are on the right track now | 18:58 |
| anteaya | also it gave me a chance to state some things | 18:59 |
| anteaya | in case anyone thought we have a mandate, which we don't | 18:59 |
| krtaylor | lukego, it certainly doesnt hurt that you are here and involved | 18:59 |
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| hemanthravi | what should go in the ci history for voting perm request | 18:59 |
| krtaylor | I would hope that would send the right message | 18:59 |
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| anteaya | hemanthravi: well some history for one | 19:00 |
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| krtaylor | hemanthravi, that is up to the project, hopefully we will be able to have a pointer to that soon | 19:00 |
| anteaya | like you have been active for more thatn 2 weeks | 19:00 |
| anteaya | we can expand that at a furture meeting | 19:00 |
| anteaya | out of time | 19:00 |
| krtaylor | yes, we must | 19:00 |
| hemanthravi | thanks | 19:00 |
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| krtaylor | thanks everyone for attending! | 19:01 |
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| sweston | thanks! | 19:01 |
| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 21 19:01:14 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-07-21-18.00.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-07-21-18.00.txt | 19:01 |
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| jungleboyj | krtaylor: Welcome. Will try to make this a regular meeting for me. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-07-21-18.00.log.html | 19:01 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 19:01 |
| lucasagomes | so, who's here for the Ironic meeting? | 19:01 |
| romcheg1 | o/ | 19:01 |
| mrda | \o | 19:01 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 19:01 |
| lucasagomes | #startmeeting ironic | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 21 19:01:47 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lucasagomes. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:01 | |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:01 |
| rloo | o/ | 19:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:01 |
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| lucasagomes | hi all | 19:01 |
| jroll | \o | 19:01 |
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| lucasagomes | as usual, our agenda is available up here: | 19:02 |
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| lucasagomes | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 19:02 |
| wanyen | wanyen | 19:02 |
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| lucasagomes | #topic announcements | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:02 | |
| lucasagomes | so first, I'm chairing the meeting today because devananda and NobodyCam is at the TripleO sprint this week | 19:02 |
| rloo | yay lucasagomes! | 19:02 |
| mrda | woohoo | 19:02 |
| lucasagomes | and... next week (July 28th) we will have the Ironic sprint in Beaverton \o/!! | 19:02 |
| jroll | \o/ | 19:02 |
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| lucasagomes | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/BeavertonJunoSprint | 19:02 |
| mrda | more woohoo | 19:03 |
| lucasagomes | wohoo*2 | 19:03 |
| lucasagomes | There's a small pre-meetup pizza outing on Sunday 27th, if you're going to be there and is interested in going please put ur name here: | 19:03 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-ironic-sprint | 19:03 |
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| lucasagomes | if you're coming, please also take a time to think about our goals for the midcycle and edit it on the etherpad above ^^^ | 19:03 |
| lucasagomes | one more thing on the announcements | 19:03 |
| * dtantsur is not coming ;( | 19:03 | |
| lucasagomes | we won't be having this meeting next week due to Ironic midcycle meetup!! | 19:04 |
| lucasagomes | #info no weekly meeting on July 28, due to Ironic midcycle meetup | 19:04 |
| lucasagomes | that's all the announcements, I think! | 19:04 |
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| lucasagomes | #topic release cycle progress report | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release cycle progress report (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:04 | |
| lucasagomes | specs... thanks for everybody which are reviewing them | 19:04 |
| lucasagomes | we have a lot of specs proposed and we managed to merge a good part of it | 19:05 |
| lucasagomes | But still I think we need more core people in the ironic-specs groups | 19:05 |
| lucasagomes | if you're core reviewer in Ironic and want to help with the specs, please lemme know | 19:05 |
| dtantsur | +10^10 | 19:05 |
| dtantsur | !!! | 19:05 |
| openstack | dtantsur: Error: "!!" is not a valid command. | 19:05 |
| lucasagomes | hah | 19:05 |
| jroll | I could help | 19:05 |
| jroll | russell also returns tomorrow | 19:05 |
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| dtantsur | I would be less optimistic about the current state: we're in trouble with specs :( | 19:05 |
| lucasagomes | thanks guys! | 19:05 |
| lucasagomes | yet on specs | 19:06 |
| lucasagomes | we are now approaching our spec propsal freeze, this Thursday (July 24th) is the last day we have to propose a spec, more info see: | 19:06 |
| lucasagomes | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/039031.html | 19:06 |
| rloo | (you don't need to be a core-revewer to be a core-spec-whatever) | 19:06 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: I will try to help review more specs | 19:06 |
| jroll | dtantsur: OTOH, we can only land so much code this cycle, so... we can't approve everything | 19:06 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, yeah, that's true russel is there | 19:06 |
| dtantsur | jroll, we didn't approve everything we're going to land actually | 19:06 |
| wanyen | Per suggestions from last week’s chat room discussion, we have refactored iLO virtual media deploy driver into iLO Virtual Media iSCSI Deploy Driver https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97744/ and iLO-IPA Deploy Driver https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97744/. We would like to target these 2 specs for Juno. Please review these specs as soon as you can. Thanks! | 19:06 |
| lucasagomes | so anyone that wants to help with the specs please do! | 19:06 |
| jroll | dtantsur: such as? | 19:06 |
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| lucasagomes | wanyen, right, feel free to bring that up again at the open discussion | 19:07 |
| dtantsur | jroll, IPA, discovery, something-else-proposed-by-you, not everything from iLO | 19:07 |
| lucasagomes | #info spec proposal freeze on July 24! | 19:07 |
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| jroll | dtantsur: true. let's do that this week :) | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, right we will talk more about specs on the discussion topic, we have an entry for that | 19:08 |
| dtantsur | jroll, would be great :) | 19:08 |
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| dtantsur | ack | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | about the ironic nova driver, last week in the nova weekly meeting this topic was raised and there's still some things to iron out with the nova guys about whether the driver can be merged in nova or not | 19:08 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: that date is a freeze for new proposals, or is the date where no more specs will be approved for juno? | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, for new proposal | 19:08 |
| dtantsur | rloo, new ones | 19:08 |
| rloo | thx :-) | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | after that date, specs will be -2'd and reopened in the K cycle (afaiui) | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | tl;dr the spec for the driver was merged but the spec to the upgrade path from nova baremetal to ironic wasn't, BUT, it has been proposed for a spec-freeze exception | 19:09 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, summarized the discussion on the ML, please check it out: | 19:09 |
| mrda | lucasagomes: the only thing stopping the nova ironic driver merging is reviews really, and most of that is in our court | 19:09 |
| lucasagomes | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/040627.html | 19:09 |
| lucasagomes | mrda, there was a problem with the migration path from nova bm to ironic | 19:09 |
| lucasagomes | the spec for the migration didn't get merged yet | 19:09 |
| rloo | mrda: please elaborate? we can only +1 those reviews? | 19:09 |
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| lucasagomes | but it has been proposed for a spec-freeze exception... and we hope that it's going to land on J | 19:10 |
| mrda | yes, that's one of many hurdles :) | 19:10 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, yup we can | 19:10 |
| lucasagomes | yeah | 19:10 |
| lucasagomes | check the ML link above, deva summarized it nicely | 19:10 |
| rloo | lucasagomes, mrda, so you're saying we should, cuz the more +1s the more the core-reviewers will notice? | 19:10 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, well... I bet it helps | 19:11 |
| jroll | it's unclear why us +1'ing the nova reviews would help... since we've already landed the code, we're probably ok with the state | 19:11 |
| lucasagomes | yeah that's true | 19:11 |
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| mrda | hang on, I can explain | 19:11 |
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| mrda | (can't type quick enough) | 19:11 |
| lucasagomes | mrda, go for it :) | 19:11 |
| mrda | So the proposed patches are https://review.openstack.org/#/c/{103164,5,7} | 19:12 |
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| mrda | when a nova reviewer adds comments we take them and propose a ironic reviewer with the fixes for that regview comment | 19:12 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103164 | 19:12 |
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| mrda | we need ironic reviewers to sign off and approve those changes | 19:13 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103165 | 19:13 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103167 | 19:13 |
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| mrda | and then we propose the new changes back onto the original nova reviews | 19:13 |
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| mrda | so https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107316/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102695/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107882 all need ironic eyeballs and +2's | 19:14 |
| lucasagomes | mrda, ah right, i saw some patches like that in Ironic, so we should priorize them I assume | 19:14 |
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| rloo | mrda: is it obvious which patches are ironic-patches-addressing-nova-comments | 19:14 |
| mrda | the current state is listed on the whiteboard (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard) | 19:14 |
| mrda | lucasagomes: yes please | 19:14 |
| mrda | so deva was doing this, I'm now doing it for him to allow him to do other things | 19:14 |
| mrda | I'm the patch monkey :) | 19:15 |
| lucasagomes | #info cores to prioritize the reviews to the nova driver | 19:15 |
| lucasagomes | alright... ta much mrda for the info | 19:15 |
| banix | anteaya: hi; at some point you were trying to unify the names used by third party testing systems; the changes you suggested have not taken place. right? just wanted to double check. thanks. | 19:15 |
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| lucasagomes | let's move on? | 19:15 |
| mrda | does anyone have questions on this? you can ping me in channel | 19:15 |
| lucasagomes | ^ | 19:15 |
| lucasagomes | #topic subteam status reports | 19:15 |
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| lucasagomes | adam_g, hi! care to summarize the tempest work from last week? | 19:16 |
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| lucasagomes | Shrews, ^ (I know ur at the tripleO midcycle) | 19:16 |
| banix | (sorry for asking my question at the wrong place) | 19:16 |
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| lucasagomes | alright they might be afk... let's move on | 19:17 |
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| lucasagomes | dtantsur, hi there! anything regarding bug status and fedora support? | 19:17 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, nothing on Fedora, to the bugs: | 19:17 |
| dtantsur | Open: 124. 9 new, 41 in progress, 0 critical, 16 high and 8 incomplete | 19:18 |
| dtantsur | (stats are generated using my new script, so not diff this time) | 19:18 |
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| lucasagomes | #info Bug stats: 124 Open, 9 new, 41 in progress, 0 critical, 16 high and 8 incomplete | 19:18 |
| dtantsur | 9 new bugs - I have problems triaging some of them, they require deeper knowledge of Nova | 19:18 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, thanks! the script is hosted on ur github account? u wanna share it so ppl can take a look? | 19:18 |
| dtantsur | will be glad for any help | 19:19 |
| dtantsur | moment, trying to find :) | 19:19 |
| dtantsur | https://github.com/Divius/ironic-bug-dashboard | 19:19 |
| dtantsur | can output stats and new bugs :) | 19:19 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://github.com/Divius/ironic-bug-dashboard | 19:19 |
| dtantsur | more features may come on request | 19:19 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, ta much! | 19:19 |
| dtantsur | actually it may even turn into web dashboard | 19:19 |
| lucasagomes | that will be great | 19:20 |
| dtantsur | that's all for me, will appreciate help with triaging | 19:20 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, JayF hi there! any updates on IPA? | 19:20 |
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| jroll | h! | 19:20 |
| jroll | hi! | 19:20 |
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| jroll | so as always, our todo list is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ipa-todos | 19:21 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ipa-todos | 19:21 |
| jroll | we have one +2 on the spec, would love one more https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98506/ | 19:21 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 19:21 |
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| jroll | JoshNang's swift temp url patch landed... new swift client should be released very soon | 19:22 |
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| jroll | which unblocks https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81391 | 19:22 |
| jroll | which is the last dep for the main agent patch, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101020 | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | nice | 19:22 |
| jroll | I also put up a WIP patch for devstack... it's not ready and not working 100%, but I'm close. I think it's a config issue https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108457/ | 19:23 |
| JoshNang | i'm told a new client should be out shortly, then i'll put in a patch to bump the global reqs file | 19:23 |
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| notmyname | jroll: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73920/ is what we're waiting on for a swiftclient release. up to jenkins now | 19:23 |
| jroll | and to go with that, WIP etherpad for testing IPA with devstack https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ipa-devstack | 19:23 |
| jroll | notmyname: yep :) | 19:23 |
| lucasagomes | I will try to review the spec very very soon, part of the midcycle will be focused on trying to land IPA, I'd like to try it out as well | 19:23 |
| lucasagomes | ah great! devstack will be handy for that | 19:23 |
| jroll | indeed :) | 19:23 |
| jroll | I plan to get that working this week :) | 19:24 |
| lucasagomes | +100000 | 19:24 |
| jroll | I think that's it from me... one thing that was brought up this morning though | 19:24 |
| romcheg1 | Sounds like a good plan ;) | 19:24 |
| lucasagomes | good stuff! | 19:24 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, JoshNang notmyname thank u | 19:25 |
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| jroll | auth for IPA - touchy subject :| | 19:25 |
| lucasagomes | yup... I know u guys don't wanna pass tokens around | 19:25 |
| jroll | we're of the opinion that keystone admin tokens should not be passed to the agent | 19:25 |
| jroll | and instead operators should secure the network | 19:25 |
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| jroll | idk if we should talk about this now or maybe just next week | 19:25 |
| lucasagomes | well let's bring it to the open discussion ? | 19:26 |
| jroll | sounds good | 19:26 |
| lucasagomes | people may throw some nice ideas | 19:26 |
| lucasagomes | ack | 19:26 |
| lucasagomes | romcheg: howdy! any updates on the nova bm db > ironic db migration? | 19:26 |
| romcheg1 | lucasagomes: there are some news as usual :) | 19:26 |
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| romcheg1 | But this time it's bad news | 19:27 |
| lucasagomes | :( | 19:27 |
| romcheg1 | Nova team blocked my patch because the spec is not yet ready | 19:27 |
| mrda | romcheg1: link? | 19:27 |
| romcheg1 | They suggested to ask for for a SFE | 19:27 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, but it has been proposed for a spec-freeze exception, right? | 19:27 |
| lucasagomes | right | 19:27 |
| romcheg1 | But it's complicated with Grenade testing | 19:28 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95025/ | 19:28 |
| lucasagomes | mrda, ^ link for the spec | 19:28 |
| romcheg1 | Thanks lucasagomes | 19:28 |
| romcheg1 | #info I still need some volunteers for helping me with Grenade testing | 19:29 |
| mrda | romcheg1: and for the blocked review too please? | 19:29 |
| lucasagomes | romcheg1, yeah I heard grenade is not well documented and not that robust yet | 19:29 |
| JayF | I thought, from reading the list, grenade testing was impossible due to bm not working in devstack? | 19:29 |
| * mrda will follow up with some Nova people | 19:29 | |
| romcheg1 | lucasagomes: s/not well/not/g | 19:29 |
| jroll | heh | 19:29 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, yea... I think it's been discussed in the ML right now | 19:29 |
| lucasagomes | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/040627.html | 19:29 |
| romcheg1 | mrda: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91165/ | 19:29 |
| lucasagomes | romcheg1, lol ok | 19:30 |
| romcheg1 | mrda: wrong! | 19:30 |
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| romcheg1 | mrda: wrong link. Lucas gave you the right one | 19:30 |
| mrda | ta | 19:30 |
| lucasagomes | romcheg1, anything else from u? | 19:30 |
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| romcheg1 | lucasagomes: I wrote some scripts to Grenade that run my migration scripts to turn Ironic to Nova BM | 19:31 |
| romcheg1 | No | 19:31 |
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| romcheg1 | The opposite, sorry :) | 19:31 |
| romcheg1 | Nova BM to Ironic | 19:31 |
| lucasagomes | nice... yeah nova bm to ironic | 19:31 |
| lucasagomes | are the scripts available somewhere? | 19:32 |
| romcheg1 | No, they are not, because I did not figure out all the dependencies | 19:32 |
| romcheg1 | Probably I will just patch the scripts to cherry-pick migration scripts until they are merged | 19:32 |
| romcheg1 | Cross-project dependencies make thinks harder | 19:33 |
| lucasagomes | indeed it is | 19:33 |
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| mrda | romcheg1: even getting them up on your personal github would be good | 19:33 |
| lucasagomes | right, there's also that mailist that I pointed before, you may want to put there ur findings | 19:33 |
| romcheg1 | mrda: posting is not a problem | 19:34 |
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| romcheg1 | the problem is that those scripts rely on the other scripts that are not merged yet to another project | 19:34 |
| mrda | ok | 19:34 |
| romcheg1 | I will figure out smth fast I think | 19:35 |
| lucasagomes | ack, or even an etherpad with instructions | 19:35 |
| jroll | romcheg1: just wip it until the dependency is merged | 19:35 |
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| jroll | etherpad++ | 19:35 |
| lucasagomes | so people willing to help you can get up to speed | 19:35 |
| romcheg1 | lucasagomes, jroll, I will update the etherpad | 19:35 |
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| lucasagomes | romcheg1, ta much! | 19:35 |
| romcheg1 | my pleasure :) | 19:36 |
| lucasagomes | alright, anything else on grenade? upgrade path? | 19:36 |
| romcheg1 | no, that's all | 19:36 |
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| lucasagomes | ok | 19:36 |
| lucasagomes | thanks | 19:36 |
| lucasagomes | GheRivero, hi there! any updates on Oslo? | 19:36 |
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| lucasagomes | ok GheRivero is at the TripleO mid-cycle and might be afk | 19:37 |
| lucasagomes | so let's go for the discussion topics | 19:37 |
| lucasagomes | # topic Spec reviews bottleneck | 19:38 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, you added that one... wanna start? | 19:38 |
| lucasagomes | #topic Spec reviews bottleneck | 19:38 |
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| dtantsur | my point was mostly stated: we have to little eyes on specs | 19:38 |
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| dtantsur | that's especially bad with specs raised by one of us | 19:38 |
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| lucasagomes | yeah :( | 19:39 |
| dtantsur | currently there is ~3 active specs core :) | 19:39 |
| jroll | russell is back from two weeks off tomorrow | 19:39 |
| dtantsur | jroll, great news! | 19:39 |
| lucasagomes | \o/ | 19:39 |
| dtantsur | should be extremely helpful | 19:39 |
| dtantsur | I'd still have at least 7 cores | 19:39 |
| jroll | but I agree, more spec cores ftw | 19:39 |
| lucasagomes | right, so the current spec-core team is | 19:40 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/352,members | 19:40 |
| dtantsur | we're under pressure with a lot of prioritized specs under review and just as many non-prioritized | 19:40 |
| lucasagomes | if you wanna be part of it, let us know :) | 19:40 |
| jroll | do we follow the same process for adding them, or just do it? | 19:40 |
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| * jroll nominates JayF | 19:40 | |
| * JayF hears the rumble of a bus coming | 19:40 | |
| dtantsur | stats here: http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/ironic-specs/30 | 19:40 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, well I wouldn't mind adding a active member of the community... I think devananda can answer that better tho | 19:41 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: right | 19:41 |
| dtantsur | so yeah, I'm +1 to JayF | 19:41 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: is that something you can discuss at midcycle next week? | 19:41 |
| dtantsur | we can ask devananda, when he's available | 19:41 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, definitely ! we should | 19:41 |
| dtantsur | rloo, I would say we need it earlier... | 19:41 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: like yesterday? :-) Chris has done a lot of reviews -- someone twist his arm. | 19:42 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, mind adding the topic to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-ironic-sprint ? | 19:42 |
| jroll | right, the spec cutoff is thursday | 19:42 |
| lucasagomes | yeah :/ but still we will have to continue reviewing the specs that are in the queue | 19:43 |
| dtantsur | judging by stats and my experience, I would nominate NobodyCam, JayF and rloo ;) | 19:43 |
| JayF | I'll make a point to review specs one way or the other | 19:43 |
| dtantsur | Cool, thanks! | 19:43 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: done. | 19:43 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, thanks | 19:43 |
| lucasagomes | alright anything else on the specs? or should we move to the open discussion? | 19:43 |
| rloo | dtantsur: I'll think about it. | 19:43 |
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| dtantsur | moment | 19:44 |
| dtantsur | I would ask people knowing about iLO to follow iLO-related specs | 19:44 |
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| dtantsur | it's no good, if lucasagomes and I will be approving them :) | 19:44 |
| jroll | lol | 19:44 |
| dtantsur | that's it from me | 19:44 |
| lucasagomes | hah indeed | 19:44 |
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| wanyen | for ilO specs, we can still get input form your folks about overall design. | 19:45 |
| wanyen | s/form/from | 19:45 |
| jroll | ^^ | 19:45 |
| dtantsur | wanyen, sure, we will provide it | 19:46 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, we can help with that :) | 19:46 |
| wanyen | we need reviewers for UEFI boot. We uplaoded a new rev to address Deva's comment but siince then we haven't got new review. | 19:46 |
| dtantsur | but it's always helpful to get feedback from somebody knowing a thing or two about iLO :) | 19:46 |
| dtantsur | wanyen, that's why I say, we have problems with specs | 19:47 |
| wanyen | there are so few reviewers knows iLO so it will be review bottleneck | 19:47 |
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| BadCub | Nobodycam is in Raleigh this week. I can relay anything you need relayed | 19:47 |
| dtantsur | wanyen, there's only 3 active specs core now. I'm gonna schedule more reviews tomorrow | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | well we don't need to try everything, we can look at it, see if the code is good and vote based on it | 19:47 |
| wanyen | Per suggestions from last week’s chat room discussion, we have refactored iLO virtual media deploy driver into iLO Virtual Media iSCSI Deploy Driver https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97744/ and iLO-IPA Deploy Driver https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97744/. We would like to target these 2 specs for Juno. Please review these specs as soon as you can. Thanks! | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | wanyen, +1, thanks! | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | ok 10 min beep... let's go for the open discussion or we won't have much time | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | #topic open discussion | 19:49 |
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| wanyen | we got +2 from Deva for our original iLO deploy driver spec but lifeless suggested that we refactored it so please review them | 19:49 |
| jroll | so... auth for IPA. we think passing tokens around is bad, and deployers should secure the network. client certs are a thing, could help (aweeks has been poking at this). thoughts? | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | so jroll, about the authentication... is keystone trusts something that we should have in Ironic to help with that? | 19:49 |
| jroll | I don't know what keystone trusts are... but I'm betting they require v3 api? | 19:50 |
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| dtantsur | we don't have manpower to land keystone trusts, as to me... | 19:50 |
| lucasagomes | yeah afaiui it does require v3 | 19:50 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: I have a different, possibly more radical suggestion | 19:50 |
| jroll | yeah, that's a non-starter for us right now :| | 19:50 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: why does Ironic need to remain a fully-open admin api? | 19:50 |
| dtantsur | what do you mean by "fully-open"? | 19:50 |
| JayF | If we setup users with proper roles in keystone, and Ironic honored it, we could pass a token to the Agent that enabled it to do *only what it needed to do* | 19:50 |
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| JayF | whereas right now if Ironic validates a token at all, it's pretty close to wide-open | 19:51 |
| jroll | JayF: I don't think it does. we just need to do some work on policies | 19:51 |
| jroll | JayF: https://github.com/openstack/oslo-incubator/blob/master/openstack/common/policy.py is a thing and used today in ironic | 19:51 |
| JayF | So lets make a user that by-policy and only do what IPA needs to do | 19:51 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, it was a design decision at the beggining but now I start to see that we def need some policies implemented | 19:51 |
| jroll | JayF: in conjunction with https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/etc/ironic/policy.json | 19:51 |
| dtantsur | do we have time for it in J? | 19:51 |
| JayF | and you reduce risk massively vs shipping a 'full admin' token | 19:51 |
| jroll | dtantsur: maybe? doubtful | 19:52 |
| dtantsur | just a reminder: 3 days before specs deadline | 19:52 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, hmm that's hard to say really | 19:52 |
| JayF | I'd suggest this: we land agent spec as-is without auth | 19:52 |
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| JayF | and that we look at ways to implement auth as an addon afterwards | 19:52 |
| jroll | without auth *on the heartbeat urls* | 19:52 |
| JayF | yes | 19:52 |
| dtantsur | JayF ++ | 19:52 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, JayF +1 | 19:52 |
| lucasagomes | yeah baby steps | 19:52 |
| lucasagomes | the auth is a broad problem | 19:52 |
| jroll | see also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101020/10/ironic/api/config.py | 19:52 |
| jroll | :) | 19:52 |
| lucasagomes | the PXE approach is far from perfect | 19:52 |
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| JayF | I mean, I have hundreds of machines running IPA, just authenticated by the network being secret | 19:53 |
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| jroll | I like this plan | 19:54 |
| jroll | thanks y'all | 19:54 |
| dtantsur | Before time ran out, wanted to ask: are there folks here, who also want any kind of (in-band) hardware discovery landed in J? | 19:54 |
| dtantsur | just figuring out, who can help us | 19:54 |
| dtantsur | because we're trying to ship at least simple PoC discovery, that works | 19:55 |
| jroll | I think it's a great feature to have, but I think that there are higher priorities | 19:55 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/107344 | 19:55 |
| lucasagomes | this is the spec that dtantsur is working on ^ | 19:55 |
| jroll | right now, I can online an entire rack with one bash script | 19:56 |
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| jroll | which also can do multiple racks | 19:56 |
| jroll | so it honestly wouldn't save *me* much time... but that's just me | 19:56 |
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| dtantsur | that's a priority for us, so I'll be anyway busy with it... | 19:56 |
| jroll | right | 19:57 |
| Nisha | lucasagomes: what the priority for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100951 Discover at node-create ad node-update | 19:57 |
| jroll | I just think there are more important features to land | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | yeah I think this is the feature number #1 that the tuskar folks wants implemented in Ironic | 19:57 |
| jroll | uefi etc | 19:57 |
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| lucasagomes | but yeah the priority is different for each of us | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | Nisha, thanks! yeah that's another way to do it | 19:58 |
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| dtantsur | Nisha, I would like to see it landed, though it's not a high priority for me | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | and we want to have something similar for the drac driver | 19:58 |
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| jroll | I think Nisha's spec is meant to be on top of dtantsur's | 19:58 |
| dtantsur | jroll, no longer | 19:58 |
| jroll | ohhh | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | it was before, now it's changed | 19:58 |
| * jroll shuts up :) | 19:59 | |
| dtantsur | things have changed a lot due to our previous talk | 19:59 |
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| dtantsur | that's my problem with the spec procedure: we have real talk mostly on IRC | 19:59 |
| lucasagomes | heh | 19:59 |
| dtantsur | still more-or-less silent in comments :) | 19:59 |
| rloo | one minute or so left. | 19:59 |
| jroll | 20 seconds :P | 19:59 |
| lucasagomes | alright folks, I don't think we have more time | 19:59 |
| lucasagomes | so | 19:59 |
| jroll | to the channel! | 19:59 |
| dtantsur | thanks | 19:59 |
| lucasagomes | thanks everyone, great meeting | 19:59 |
| lucasagomes | as usual | 19:59 |
| jroll | thanks for running it lucasagomes :) | 19:59 |
| lucasagomes | and I hope to see some of you guys next week!! | 19:59 |
| jroll | don't forget to #endmeeting :P | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 21 20:00:08 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | hahaha | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-07-21-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-07-21-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-07-21-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, almost :P thanks | 20:00 |
| romcheg1 | Bye! | 20:00 |
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| mrda | thanks all | 20:00 |
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| salv-orlando | aloha | 20:59 |
| marun | hi | 20:59 |
| regXboi | in the great IRC tradition.... moo | 20:59 |
| mestery | hi! | 20:59 |
| kevinbenton | o/ | 20:59 |
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| phil_h | good day | 20:59 |
| banix | hi | 20:59 |
| obondarev | hi all | 20:59 |
| Swami | hi everyone | 21:00 |
| emagana_ | hola! | 21:00 |
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| markmcclain | hi | 21:00 |
| pcm_ | hi | 21:00 |
| amotoki | hi | 21:00 |
| fawadkhaliq | hello! | 21:00 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam rkukura SumitNaiksatam arosen armax carl_baldwin amotoki: ping | 21:00 |
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| armax | mestery: pong | 21:01 |
| mlavalle | hi | 21:01 |
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| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 21 21:01:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:01 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:02 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 21:02 |
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| mestery | #topic Juno-2 | 21:02 |
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| mestery | Per email today, I'd like to have a focused 30 minute meeting, focusing mainly on the remaining Juno-2 BPs and bugs which are left to merge. | 21:02 |
| mestery | The Juno-2 tag will be made anytime between tomorrow and Thursday at hte latest. | 21:02 |
| mestery | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-2 | 21:03 |
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| mestery | We have 3 BPs left which have a shot at Juno-2. | 21:03 |
| mestery | Some need some turnaround from contributors yet, but some could use some more reviews. | 21:03 |
| mestery | We also have 15 bugs left which are not completed. | 21:03 |
| mestery | So there is plenty to review here. | 21:03 |
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| * mestery notes the gate hasn't melted down yet either. | 21:04 | |
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| mestery | The first BP which is left is the SR-IOV ML2 driver: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-sriov-nic-switch | 21:04 |
| mestery | Seems this one needs some owrk on the patches yet, and IMHO, is the least likely to make Juno-2. | 21:05 |
| mestery | ZZelle has the providernetwork partial specs one: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/provider-network-partial-specs | 21:05 |
| mestery | This one is close. | 21:05 |
| mestery | And the ofagent l2pop one: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ofagent-l2pop | 21:05 |
| mestery | That one may need a respin on the patches as well. | 21:05 |
| mestery | So, any questions on Juno-2 items from anyone? | 21:06 |
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| salv-orlando | I can have a look at the rest of zzelle patches for partial specs before bedtime | 21:06 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Thank you sir! | 21:06 |
| salv-orlando | I think we should be able to merge that. | 21:06 |
| armax | mestery: I’ll have a look at the ofagent-l2pop one | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | I can look too | 21:07 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Agreed, ZZelle and I found an issue with the first one which we merged a fix for already. | 21:07 |
| mestery | armax: Thank you! | 21:07 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Awesome! | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | the l2pop will need respins | 21:07 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: Yes, per your review earlier I believe :) | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | a few test setUps to cleanup | 21:07 |
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| mestery | #info ofagent l2pop needs a respin due to a few test setUps to cleanup | 21:08 |
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| mestery | OK, so thanks to volunteers here at the end of Juno-2! | 21:08 |
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| mestery | I think it's in good shape, and we're on track to merge 10-13 BPs or so, and around 80-90 bugs. | 21:08 |
| mestery | Great work by everyone! | 21:08 |
| mestery | Anything else on Juno-2 from anyone? | 21:08 |
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| rkukura | sorry I’m late | 21:09 |
| mestery | #info A large number of BPs moved from Juno-2 to Juno-3 over the weekend. | 21:09 |
| mestery | I moved things which I didn't feel had a chance at merging early this week. | 21:09 |
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| mestery | #info The DB migration BP is officially merged and complete. | 21:10 |
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| mestery | Thanks to HenryG for leading that charge! | 21:10 |
| markmcclain | ++ | 21:10 |
| * salv-orlando has not yet had the guts to look at the juno-3 list | 21:10 | |
| mestery | salv-orlando: It's huge. | 21:10 |
| mestery | Really huge. | 21:10 |
| * mestery will trim it as Juno-3 goes along. | 21:10 | |
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| armax | mestery: apologies for my ignorance, what would it take now for the grenade test to pass? | 21:10 |
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| mestery | armax: markmcclain is working on that now. :) | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: it might be huge, but we have an experience of what we might be able to do as a core team. | 21:11 |
| regXboi | mestery: huge is in "by the kilo?" (sorry, couldn't resist) | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | armax: we've got to make some changes to devstack | 21:11 |
| salv-orlando | So I’d say to identify 25 important blueprints asap | 21:11 |
| armax | mestery, markmcclain: gotcha | 21:11 |
| salv-orlando | and ensure a good chunk of the core team works on those reviews | 21:11 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Yes, most of what was approved were vendor BPs. | 21:11 |
| salv-orlando | the others, treat them as best effort | 21:11 |
| mestery | #action mestery to highlight 20-25 community BPs for Juno-3 and focus cores on those. | 21:11 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: I've indicated in all vendor BP approvals that they are best effort. | 21:11 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: But a good reminder. | 21:12 |
| salv-orlando | makes sense. | 21:12 |
| mestery | OK, anything else for Juno-2? | 21:12 |
| test12334rte | Question: Any tasks/mentors/hackathons for beginners for juno-2/3 (apologize if not right forum to ask) ? | 21:12 |
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| mestery | test12334rte: I'd ask in #openstack-neutron after this meeting. | 21:12 |
| mestery | OK, lets move on to the last topic I wanted to quickly cover for today. | 21:13 |
| mestery | #topic Juno-3 / SPD / SAD | 21:13 |
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| mestery | As mentioned ealrier, SAD has now passed. | 21:13 |
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| * mestery notes not everyone ended up being SAD. | 21:13 | |
| mestery | A bjunch of things were approved o ver the weekend. | 21:13 |
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| enikanorov_ | is there a notion of SAD exceptions? | 21:14 |
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| mestery | There is, on a case by case basis. | 21:15 |
| mestery | #info for an exeption, send emails to the openstack-dev ML | 21:15 |
| enikanorov_ | ok, because i have a candidate :) | 21:15 |
| mestery | enikanorov_: Send an email to the lsit. :) | 21:15 |
| mestery | We're already way oversubscribed, but we'll take htem on a case by case basis. | 21:16 |
| enikanorov_ | sure, thanks | 21:16 |
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| mestery | Thanks enikanorov_. | 21:16 |
| Sukhdev | enikanorov_: wrap the email in $20.00 bill :-) | 21:16 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: :P | 21:16 |
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| * regXboi thinks it might take more than that | 21:16 | |
| enikanorov_ | haha, glad good it's not 20 btc! | 21:16 |
| enikanorov_ | -glad | 21:17 |
| mestery | Anything else rom anyone on Juno-3? | 21:17 |
| salv-orlando | rom? | 21:17 |
| mestery | *from | 21:18 |
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| regXboi | salv-orlando: yeah - we're oversubscribed, so it's now read-only | 21:18 |
| mestery | regXboi: Ha! | 21:18 |
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| amotoki | Are bp-specs without -2 candidates for J-3 or do we need to check SAD in dev list? | 21:19 |
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| mestery | amotoki: If it's not approved, an email should be sent requesting an exeption to the ML | 21:19 |
| mestery | amotoki: Make sense? | 21:20 |
| amotoki | mestery: yes | 21:20 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 21:21 |
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| mestery | In keeping this short, lets have 10 minutes of open discussion :) | 21:21 |
| mestery | Anything ? | 21:21 |
| pcm_ | Have question on my L3 validation BP. Ref. impl for VPN is in, Cisco impl is out for review (low pty). | 21:21 |
| pcm_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107473/ | 21:21 |
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| mestery | pcm_: Is that BP approved? | 21:22 |
| pcm_ | yes | 21:22 |
| pcm_ | one commit is upstream already. | 21:22 |
| mestery | OK, so people can review that. | 21:22 |
| pcm_ | thanks | 21:23 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery: what is the deadline to get any bug into Juno-2? | 21:23 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: Tomorrow | 21:24 |
| Sukhdev | s/any/a | 21:24 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery: Thanks | 21:24 |
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| mestery | OK, my gift to all of you this week is 36 minutes of your time back! | 21:25 |
| mestery | Thanks everyone! | 21:25 |
| mestery | Lets see what we can do for Juno-2 and beyond! | 21:25 |
| mestery | See you all in channel and on the ML! | 21:25 |
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| mestery | #endmeeting | 21:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 21 21:25:16 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-07-21-21.01.html | 21:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-07-21-21.01.txt | 21:25 |
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| nati_uen_ | bye! | 21:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-07-21-21.01.log.html | 21:25 |
| pcm_ | bye | 21:25 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 21:25 |
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