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| yamahata | hello | 05:02 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 05:02 |
| s3wong | hello | 05:02 |
| vishATbrocade | Hello | 05:03 |
| yamahata | #startmeeting servicevm-device-manager | 05:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 22 05:03:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamahata. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:03 |
| natarajk | hi | 05:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: servicevm-device-manager)" | 05:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'servicevm_device_manager' | 05:03 |
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| yamahata | Do we have Bob? Let's give him minutes | 05:03 |
| dougwig | whereabouts is everyone on this team? | 05:05 |
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| yamahata | To be honest, I'm not sure. I know it's early morning for Bob. | 05:06 |
| ChristianM_ | 7 am in Sweeden | 05:06 |
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| yamahata | It seems he won't attend. let's start | 05:07 |
| s3wong | Bob is in Sweden | 05:07 |
| yamahata | #topic Announcement | 05:07 |
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| yamahata | two neutron blueprints for routervm have been approved | 05:07 |
| yamahata | congrants for bob and natarajk | 05:08 |
| yamahata | we can make progress | 05:08 |
| natarajk | yamahata: thanks | 05:08 |
| natarajk | sure | 05:08 |
| yamahata | I had replied to comments on servicevm api. | 05:08 |
| yamahata | and I pushed new one. | 05:09 |
| natarajk | yamahata: yes, i am planning to review the new patch tomorrow | 05:09 |
| yamahata | natarajk: thanks, | 05:09 |
| natarajk | yamahata: i hope the ml2 port security extension spec gets approved | 05:10 |
| yamahata | we can start with it to come up with working reference routervm plugin | 05:10 |
| yamahata | natarajk: yes, I applied for spec freeze exception of ml2 port security extension | 05:10 |
| yamahata | any other announcements? | 05:10 |
| yamahata | #topic api discussion | 05:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "api discussion (Meeting topic: servicevm-device-manager)" | 05:11 | |
| yamahata | okay,do we have any items on api on irc? | 05:11 |
| yamahata | any discussion can be continued at gerrit. | 05:12 |
| natarajk | natarajk: i'll post my comments in gerrit tomorrow | 05:12 |
| natarajk | oops | 05:12 |
| natarajk | yamahata: i'll post my comments in gerrit tomorrow | 05:13 |
| yamahata | Now I'm wondering where router-attach/dettach-interface should be done. | 05:13 |
| yamahata | natarajk: thanks | 05:13 |
| yamahata | I mean which neutron plugin or servicevm should call nova attach vif. | 05:13 |
| yamahata | This is just a heads up for future discussion | 05:14 |
| natarajk | yamahata: all the nova api related calls should be handled in service vm | 05:14 |
| natarajk | so that i can be used by other plugin/drivers | 05:15 |
| yamahata | natarajk: Yes. That's same to my current thinking. | 05:15 |
| natarajk | but i believe bob's approach has static vifs | 05:16 |
| natarajk | brocade relies on dynamic attach/detach vifs | 05:16 |
| yamahata | natarajk: Bob's code has nova-attach/detach calls. | 05:16 |
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| yamahata | we can be looking at different code base, though. | 05:16 |
| natarajk | in CSR plugin code, i saw that the VM with two vNICs were doing VLAN/VxLAN trunking | 05:17 |
| yamahata | natarajk: It define plugging driver, the driver handles such stuff. | 05:18 |
| yamahata | Unfortunately We don't have Bob today. | 05:18 |
| natarajk | yamahata: anyway we need to have methods for attach/detach interfaces | 05:19 |
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| yamahata | natarajk: agreed | 05:19 |
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| yamahata | let's move on to the next topic | 05:19 |
| yamahata | #topic l3-routervm-plugin | 05:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "l3-routervm-plugin (Meeting topic: servicevm-device-manager)" | 05:20 | |
| yamahata | I'm still working on l3-plugin to consolidate csr and vyatta code. But I haven't have something which can be published yet. | 05:20 |
| yamahata | I guess I need 1 or 2 weeks. | 05:20 |
| yamahata | to publish something | 05:21 |
| yamahata | #topic open discussion | 05:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: servicevm-device-manager)" | 05:21 | |
| yamahata | anything to discuss? | 05:22 |
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| natarajk | yamahata: do we any requirements from NFV subgroup ? | 05:22 |
| s3wong | yamahata: K-Summit speaker preso submission is three days away - you want to submit something for tacker? | 05:23 |
| yamahata | s3wong: sounds good idea! | 05:23 |
| yamahata | I'll give it a try | 05:23 |
| yamahata | #action yamahata try to apply for K-summit speaker preso submission | 05:24 |
| natarajk | s3wong, yamahata: Design summit session or speaker session ? | 05:24 |
| s3wong | yamahata: cool - submission deadline is this Thursday (US time, I believe) | 05:24 |
| s3wong | natarajk: speaker session | 05:24 |
| s3wong | natarajk: design summit submission deadline is much much later | 05:24 |
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| natarajk | May be we can do combine session | 05:26 |
| natarajk | combined session | 05:26 |
| yamahata | natarajk: yeah, joint session | 05:26 |
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| s3wong | yamahata: natarajk: probably want to include Bob also | 05:26 |
| natarajk | sure | 05:27 |
| yamahata | #action yamahata contact Bob for joint session | 05:27 |
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| yamahata | natarajk: regarding to requiremnt NFV, I'd like to see that port without subnet will be settled down. | 05:28 |
| natarajk | ok | 05:28 |
| yamahata | But it seems we need to wait for Kilo cycle | 05:28 |
| natarajk | yamahata: Do you how CSR plugin handles ip-spoofing issues ? | 05:29 |
| s3wong | yamahata: a good number of what ijw filed didn't get approved by SAD | 05:29 |
| natarajk | yamahata: Do you know how CSR plugin handles ip-spoofing issues ? | 05:29 |
| yamahata | natarajk: although I don't know the details | 05:30 |
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| yamahata | natarajk: I guess they uses their own vif driver or something. | 05:30 |
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| yamahata | Or other cisco guy also proposing port security of ML2 plugin. | 05:30 |
| natarajk | i'll send an e-mail to Bob to understand the details | 05:31 |
| yamahata | natarajk: please CC to me. | 05:31 |
| natarajk | sure | 05:31 |
| yamahata | any other topics? | 05:32 |
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| yamahata | okay thank you everyone. See you next week. | 05:32 |
| natarajk | bye | 05:32 |
| yamahata | bye | 05:32 |
| s3wong | thanks! | 05:32 |
| yamahata | #endmeeting | 05:32 |
| ChristianM_ | thanks bye | 05:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 05:32 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 22 05:32:56 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2014/servicevm_device_manager.2014-07-22-05.03.html | 05:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2014/servicevm_device_manager.2014-07-22-05.03.txt | 05:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2014/servicevm_device_manager.2014-07-22-05.03.log.html | 05:33 |
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| sc68cal | Who's ready for the ipv6 subteam meeting? | 13:58 |
| HenryG | o/ | 13:58 |
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| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_ipv6 | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 22 13:59:53 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
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| xuhanp | hello | 14:00 |
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| HenryG | Hi xuhanp | 14:00 |
| baoli_ | Hi | 14:00 |
| dane_leblanc | hello | 14:00 |
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| sc68cal | I think our agenda will be fairly quick today, since the J-2 milestone is this week | 14:02 |
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| xuhanp | sc68cal, any luck about the dhcpv6 stateful blueprint? I know the approve date has been passed. | 14:02 |
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| sc68cal | xuhanp: your spec hasn't been -2'd | 14:03 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, good to know. So still possible to be approved? | 14:04 |
| HenryG | The only way to get a BP approved now is to send an email to openstack-dev and ask for a Spec Freeze Exception | 14:04 |
| xuhanp | HenryG, I didn't know that. I can certainly do that. | 14:04 |
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| sc68cal | I agree- this should be an exception, since the code is also in gerrit and ready for review | 14:05 |
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| xuhanp | by the way, sc68cal, we got the reply from dnsmasq developer about stateless dhcp. I will update the code soon | 14:05 |
| HenryG | xuhanp: It's important to check the Neutron Meeting weekly. It's recorded in eavesdrop. | 14:06 |
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| xuhanp | HenryG, will do. Thanks! | 14:06 |
| baoli_ | xuhanp, can you let us know that's about the stateless dhcp? | 14:07 |
| baoli_ | s/that/what | 14:07 |
| xuhanp | baoli_, we found problem to let dnsmasq only takes care of optional information instead of sending out address in stateless mode. | 14:07 |
| xuhanp | We didn't know how to configure dnsmasq in the past and asked dnsmasq developers by email. | 14:08 |
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| baoli_ | xuhanp, I see, thanks. | 14:08 |
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| sc68cal | xuhanp: did they reply on the mailing list or directly to you? | 14:12 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, they replied the guy in my team who sent out the email at the beginning. | 14:13 |
| xuhanp | We thought they won't reply so I asked your help. But it turned out they replied. | 14:13 |
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| sc68cal | xuhanp: ah - that's good :) | 14:13 |
| xuhanp | :-) | 14:13 |
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| HenryG | Is the code review for stateless on gerrit yet? | 14:15 |
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| xuhanp | I am working on the unit test. But should be on in these two days. | 14:15 |
| HenryG | xuhanp: No problem, I thought maybe I missed it. | 14:15 |
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| sc68cal | xuhanp: https://review.openstack.org/106299 ? | 14:16 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, yes. | 14:16 |
| HenryG | That's the stateful one. | 14:16 |
| sc68cal | cool | 14:16 |
| xuhanp | current it only covers stateful part. The stateless part is coming | 14:16 |
| xuhanp | or do you think they should come in two patches? | 14:17 |
| sc68cal | xuhanp: depens on the size of the patches | 14:17 |
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| HenryG | It's usually better to have smaller change sizes if possible. | 14:17 |
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| HenryG | So best to split them up if it makes sense. | 14:17 |
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| sc68cal | ^ +1 | 14:18 |
| xuhanp | OK. | 14:18 |
| xuhanp | will do. | 14:18 |
| HenryG | You can make stateless depend on stateful if you rely on code there. | 14:18 |
| xuhanp | yep. That's the plan | 14:19 |
| HenryG | cool | 14:19 |
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| sc68cal | HenryG: how goes the bug for testing the radvd work | 14:21 |
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| HenryG | So first, for the record, the RADVD code is upstream. Yay! | 14:21 |
| sc68cal | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1345341 | 14:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1345341 in neutron "radvd needs functional tests" [High,New] | 14:22 |
| sc68cal | HenryG: baoli_: Congrats! | 14:22 |
| HenryG | Yes, so the functional testing is remaining. I have the very basics ready. | 14:23 |
| sc68cal | ok - to be clear, these tests are for the neutron test tree, not tempest | 14:24 |
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| baoli_ | we also need to have devstack support for radvd to be approved | 14:24 |
| * sc68cal gets confused about functional testing vs tempest vs neutron unit tests | 14:24 | |
| HenryG | sc68cal: Yes. But I need to get marun to confirm that I am on the right track, and specifically what functionality should be tested there. | 14:25 |
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| sc68cal | HenryG: Cool. | 14:25 |
| baoli_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107801/ | 14:25 |
| sc68cal | baoli_: agree -we also need python-neutronclient changes to be merged | 14:25 |
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| HenryG | sc68cal: It is a bit confusing. It is neither unit testing nor tempest tests. It is functional testing. :) | 14:26 |
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| HenryG | The twilight zone. | 14:26 |
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| sc68cal | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75871/ | 14:27 |
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| HenryG | Looks like that ^^ needs a rebase. | 14:28 |
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| baoli_ | sc68cal, I am actually using the subnet cli for the two modes without using the patch | 14:28 |
| sc68cal | HenryG: again? <grumbles> | 14:28 |
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| xuhanp | sc68cal, will rebase soon | 14:28 |
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| sc68cal | baoli_: ah - some witchcraft :) | 14:29 |
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| baoli_ | sc68cal, I means it works without requiring the python-neutronclietn change | 14:29 |
| baoli_ | you just need to append the two modes at the end of the neutron subnet-create command line | 14:30 |
| sc68cal | baoli_: agree - but without xuhanp 's patch it won't show up in --help strings | 14:30 |
| baoli_ | sc68cal, that's right | 14:30 |
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| sc68cal | are there any other topics to discuss today? | 14:32 |
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| sc68cal | Ok everyone - until next week! Keep up the fantastic work, we're getting tons of stuff merged for Juno | 14:35 |
| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 14:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 22 14:36:25 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-07-22-13.59.html | 14:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-07-22-13.59.txt | 14:36 |
| xuhanp | goodbye | 14:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-07-22-13.59.log.html | 14:36 |
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| n0ano | #startmeeting gantt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 22 15:00:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| n0ano | anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 15:00 |
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| bauzas | \o | 15:01 |
| bauzas | (doing different things at the same time is definitely not a good option) | 15:01 |
| n0ano | bauzas, but more exciting | 15:02 |
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| bauzas | well, concurrency is better than parralelism, eh ? | 15:02 |
| n0ano | there's a difference between the two? | 15:02 |
| bauzas | n0ano: damn! | 15:02 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: apples are oranges now ? :) | 15:03 |
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| n0ano | maybe you meant serialism is better than parralelism | 15:03 |
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| mspreitz | o/ | 15:03 |
| bauzas | n0ano: google it ;) | 15:04 |
| n0ano | the fun one is conference calls, you know when someone say `can you repeat that' they were reading their email and not listening | 15:04 |
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| n0ano | anyway, let's try and get started | 15:05 |
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| n0ano | #topic use cases for a separated scheduler | 15:05 |
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| bauzas | can you repeat that ?:D | 15:05 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, no :-) | 15:05 |
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| bauzas | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SchedulerUseCases | 15:06 |
| n0ano | I looked over the etherpad and the common thread is there are valid use cases where the scheduler needs to consider info from multiple subsystems | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | seems reasonable | 15:06 |
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| bauzas | ping jaypipes, Yathi | 15:07 |
| n0ano | indeed, to me it seems like there are valid use cases that we don't serve now but should serve in the future | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | what are we trying to decide from the use cases? | 15:07 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: +1 | 15:07 |
| mspreitz | there was also an outstanding challenge from jaypipes about the need for making a simultaneous decision | 15:07 |
| Yathi | Hi | 15:07 |
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| n0ano | what mspreitz said | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | simultaneous, as in multiple service stats all together? | 15:08 |
| mspreitz | simultaneous is ortho to cross-service, actually | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | live nova, cinder and neutron stats together | 15:08 |
| Yathi | As you may recall from the last meeting, this effort was to show why a separate scheduler? | 15:08 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: IIRC, the question was "do we need a global scheduler ?" | 15:08 |
| mspreitz | you can do simutaneous or serial placement even within one service | 15:08 |
| Yathi | a separate scheduler will allow for a global scheduling | 15:08 |
| bauzas | s/global/cross-services | 15:09 |
| n0ano | Yathi, I would phrase it as `more easily allow' | 15:09 |
| Yathi | and also make it 'more' easy for more complex cross-service scenarios | 15:09 |
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| n0ano | Yathi, but yes, to me there's clear justification for a separate/global scheduler | 15:09 |
| mspreitz | Yes, I think the cross-service use cases are the most compelling for separating the scheduler | 15:09 |
| Yathi | n0ano +1 | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | mspreitz: you think more about multiple VMs placing together? | 15:09 |
| bauzas | yeah, the alternative would be to hit sequentially each service's scheduler, as are doing filters | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | from my point of view, even if we add no features, moving the code out of nova is very useful | 15:10 |
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| mspreitz | johnthetubaguy: not sure I understand the sense of your question; if it is which use cases are more important for separation, I answered at the same time you asked | 15:10 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, +1 | 15:10 |
| mspreitz | OK, not ortho | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | mspreitz: sorry, the question was what you mean my simultanious | 15:10 |
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| mspreitz | By simultaneous I mean making one decision that covers placing several things. They might be all in one service, or they might not | 15:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mspreitz: cool, thanks | 15:11 |
| Yathi | johnthetubaguy: moving the code is very useful as a first step I agree.. then I hope we can get more flexibility in allowing complex scenarios for resource placement | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | Yathi: the moving code is more about getting better review capacity and things | 15:11 |
| Yathi | agreed that too. | 15:12 |
| n0ano | I think we're all in `violent' agreement here so, absent an opposing view, I'd like to say we agree a split is good and let's move on | 15:12 |
| bauzas | the rationale was also to correctly define what's a subcomponent is | 15:12 |
| bauzas | n0ano: +1 | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: +1 | 15:13 |
| mspreitz | n0ano: +1 | 15:13 |
| Yathi | some of the usecases you see in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SchedulerUseCases - are these future complex scenarios - cross-services, placing group of VMs, etc. | 15:13 |
| mspreitz | the biggest holdout was jaypipes, if I recall correctly | 15:13 |
| Yathi | n0ano +1 on agreement here | 15:13 |
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| bauzas | mspreitz: yeah, that doesn't prevent to rediscuss that later, provided it's non blocking | 15:14 |
| n0ano | OK, I count it as unanimous, we shouldn't forget about future use cases, they are important, but let's move on | 15:14 |
| n0ano | #forklift status | 15:14 |
| mspreitz | yeah, since he's not here, there is nothing productive to do but move on | 15:14 |
| n0ano | #topic forklift status | 15:14 |
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| bauzas | so | 15:14 |
| n0ano | bauzas, looks like progress on the scheduler client library? | 15:14 |
| bauzas | n0ano: indeed | 15:14 |
| bauzas | n0ano: we got one patch merged last week | 15:15 |
| bauzas | n0ano: https://review.openstack.org/103503 | 15:15 |
| bauzas | schedulet no longer calls computes | 15:15 |
| bauzas | about the client, there is also https://review.openstack.org/82778 with a +2 (thanks johnthetubaguy) | 15:15 |
| bauzas | chasing another -core | 15:16 |
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| bauzas | anyway, other reviews are good, so people can still review that one | 15:16 |
| n0ano | the other big issue is the BP to isolate DB access, johnthetubaguy has graciously agreed to sponsor the exception request, what else do we need to do about that | 15:17 |
| bauzas | still about client, there is another patch for porting select_destnations | 15:17 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/104556 | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: need another sponsor I think | 15:17 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: there is already ndipanov who volunteered | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, cool | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal should then send a mail tomorrow morning saying the exception is granted | 15:18 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: btw. sounds like the etherpad is not up-to-date | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we need to agree what we want to do I guess | 15:18 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: +2 | 15:18 |
| n0ano | that's good but it still means we only have this week to finalize the BP | 15:18 |
| bauzas | n0ano: +1 | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: correct, mikal is going to do that in the morning, the ML is the definitive place for the decision | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: yes, do we agree on the approach | 15:18 |
| bauzas | yeah, the approach is to make use of the client for updating status for aggregates | 15:19 |
| n0ano | good news is I have people who will do the code onece the BP is approved so if we work on that quickly we should be OK | 15:19 |
| bauzas | if s/o disagrees, could he maybe provide an alternative ? | 15:19 |
| bauzas | n0ano: I can volunteer too | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | the problem is how to deal with the aggregate stuff, jay has a nice approach to fix quite a few of the filters | 15:19 |
| bauzas | n0ano: I was quite busy due to sched-lib | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | is the spec ready for review right now? | 15:20 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: as said in the spec, jay's approach doesn't cover all the things | 15:20 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: yep | 15:20 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I proposed another approach, and gave all details | 15:20 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I'm listening to alternatives too | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I don't disagree, just wondering if we agree on your current approach, there was some code up, and I didn't really agree with the code | 15:20 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: yeah, that's why I proposed another way in the spec | 15:21 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: the spec diverged from the PoC | 15:21 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, I'd like to ignore the code for the moment and get the BP approved, code can come later | 15:21 |
| bauzas | n0ano: +1 | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: but the approach needs to be agreed in the spec, I am more meaning, do we agree on the approach | 15:21 |
| bauzas | n0ano: your comment was about how to notify the scheduler that an aggregate has been deleted | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | like, what extra goes into select_desitnation and what goes into the host stats call | 15:22 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: that's in the spec | 15:22 |
| n0ano | let's all review the BP - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89893 and go from there. | 15:22 |
| bauzas | n0ano: let's take the opportunity here to cover the deletion case | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: n0ano: OK just will will not have another meeting before we miss the BP freeze | 15:23 |
| bauzas | n0ano: I was assuming that updating with None a resource means we can delete the resource | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was trying to see if we all agree with the spec | 15:23 |
| bauzas | I'll try to summarize here | 15:23 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, that might work, as long as the none update is guaranteed to happen | 15:24 |
| bauzas | we update scheduler with aggregates ids | 15:24 |
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| bauzas | so the compute knows the list of aggs he's in | 15:24 |
| bauzas | we also update the list of aggs in the sched thanks to update_resource_stats | 15:24 |
| bauzas | warning paste bomb | 15:25 |
| bauzas | - For each aggregate creation/update in the Compute API, calls scheduler.client.update_resource_stats(name, values) with the name is a tuple (aggregate, 'id') where id is the id of the aggregate, and where values is the metadata of the aggregate | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, still feels like we should get compute to report the AZ zone name, rather than the aggregate id, but not sure | 15:26 |
| bauzas | - amend scheduler.client.update_resource_stats so if name is (agg, id), do nothing (will be honored for Gantt, not for Nova) | 15:26 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: AZs are just aggregate metadata, no ? | 15:26 |
| bauzas | right ? | 15:26 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: the only difference is that an host can only be part of one AZ, while it can be part of multiple aggs | 15:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: but if you report the id, then the select_destinations needs to give all the aggregate metadata on every call, which is quite wasteful, and not that clean | 15:27 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: nope, see my proposal | 15:27 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I changed that way | 15:27 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: we update the scheduler view | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: who updates the scheduler view? | 15:28 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: probably API | 15:28 |
| bauzas | I mean, nova-api | 15:28 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: IIRC | 15:28 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: when creating/updating agg | 15:28 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: within the handler, to be precise | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: but how does it get the first bit of information when you switch from nova-scheduler to gantt, for example, its seems a big worring | 15:29 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I'm considering an aggregate as another type of resource for the scheduler | 15:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: yes, but in that case, you need someone to own the aggregate, and we don't really have an owner of that right now | 15:29 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: nope, I'm just saying that a call has to be made thru thru the lib | 15:30 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: with nova, it would be a no-op | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: if the compute node, just reports its own stats up, you avoid all the confusion | 15:30 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: including metadata so ? | 15:30 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: that's another alternative | 15:30 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: not just the ids | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: erm, the point is to isolate the DB, so nova will have to start reporting the new stats | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: then before the split, the filter are no longer access the nova db | 15:31 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: right, and that's why I'm considering aggregates as another kind of resource | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | they only access the little bit of the nova db they are allowed to, I mean | 15:31 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: oh, see your worries | 15:31 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: you missed my last 2 bullets in the spec | 15:31 |
| bauzas | - modify HostManager so it builds aggregates info in HostState by querying107 all Aggregate objects. | 15:32 |
| bauzas | - update scheduler filters so that it looks into HostState instead109 of aggregates | 15:32 |
| bauzas | Later, when Gantt will be created, the sched.client.update will update112 another table in Gantt DB so HostManager will be able to query it instead of113 Aggregate objects. | 15:32 |
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| bauzas | as I said in the spec, there are also the instancegroups objects to care of | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: thats worse, if we are not careful, now all deployments have bad performance, not just the ones using bad filters/weighters | 15:33 |
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| * jaypipes reads back... sorry for being late :) | 15:33 | |
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| * johnthetubaguy thinks my IRC is running a bit slow, taking a while to see people's comments | 15:34 | |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: because Manager will call aggregates each time it needs to be updated ? | 15:34 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I mean, I can understand we could have some problems, I'm just trying to find the best tradeoff | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: well, those aggregate calls are expensive, but only happen we required now, at least, just don't want to change that | 15:35 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: so, we agree that we need to update scheduler | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: that why I am wondering why the host can't just report the stats, directly, that the scheduler wants to see | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: except for where it needs user based info, which must come in select_destinations, thats fine | 15:36 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: so, to be precise, you mean that the periodic task reports all aggregates that the host wants to see ? | 15:37 |
| bauzas | s/wants to see/is part of (really tired tonight) | 15:37 |
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| bauzas | can't see the whole story | 15:37 |
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| bauzas | because we can't pass the full list of aggregates within select_destinations | 15:37 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: ++ | 15:38 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I mean, we need to update the scheduler with aggregates | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: more that when the aggregate changes, computes are notified, like today, and only then update the local cache of the aggregate state, so the host just reports "az_zone:zoneB" or something like that | 15:38 |
| bauzas | how the scheduler is able to scheduler if there are aggregates with no hosts yet ? | 15:38 |
| bauzas | dammit | 15:39 |
| bauzas | schedule | 15:39 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: I would think that when an agg is updated, all things that would be interested in the change would be notified, including a call to a scheduler RPC API. | 15:39 |
| jaypipes | or cast... | 15:39 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: that was the idea of my proposal | 15:39 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: cool. | 15:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: yeah, we have bits of that already today, but yeah, we could just call the scheduler | 15:39 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: but the difference is that it was a no-op thing now | 15:39 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: sure, understood | 15:40 |
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| n0ano | so, are we arguing architecture or implementation right now? | 15:40 |
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| jaypipes | impl | 15:40 |
| bauzas | n0ano: we're arguing spec proposal details :) | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: confused, I don't get why its no-op now, given we really need this change now, for performance improvements? | 15:40 |
| bauzas | n0ano: because we need to provide those | 15:40 |
| n0ano | OK, I want to keep everyone focused on the `BP` right now, not the path to implement the BP | 15:40 |
| n0ano | s/path/patch | 15:41 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: lemme try to summarize the thing | 15:41 |
| bauzas | n0ano: that's really a design discussion | 15:41 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: so the proposal would be | 15:41 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: each time an aggregate is modified (C/U/D), a call is made to the scheduler saying 'eh, I'm an agg with this metadata' | 15:42 |
| bauzas | the proposal would be to make use of the existing update_resource_stats method | 15:42 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: in the nova world, that would mean that within update_resource_stats, it would update system_metadata | 15:44 |
| bauzas | or I don't know which other one | 15:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: it just doesn't feel quite right at the moment | 15:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: in case things get out of sync, no clear "owner" to fix that, but maybe I am over thinking it | 15:44 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: the real problem is that : | 15:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I just like the node being responsible for reporting all its stats | 15:45 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: yeah, I like it too, but there are cases where aggregates have no hosts | 15:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: but that does create other issues, but it works nicely for the move from nova-scheduler to gantt, and such like, as compute restart gives you fresh data to start the day with | 15:45 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: so when filtering on, you wouldn't have a view of all the aggregates | 15:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: if there are no hosts in an aggregate, the scheduler doesn't need to know about the aggregate | 15:46 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: nope, I disagree | 15:46 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: take the AZ filter | 15:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: scheduler is picking hosts, just uses extra data from aggregates to filter some out | 15:46 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: if no hosts are in the aggregate having the AZ wanted, scheduler won't know that this AZ is existing | 15:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: if you want AZ 7 and there are no hosts in AZ 7, then nothing to pick, doesn't matter if you even know what AZ 7 is | 15:47 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I'm sorry, but that's a chicken-and-egg problem :) | 15:48 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: if I'm creating a new AZ with no hosts, I can possibly still ask nova to boot one host to this AZ | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: its not though, you are trying to pick a host, if there are none, there are none? | 15:48 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: oh I see | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: if all the hosts have a stat saying which AZ they are in, you just filter on that right? | 15:48 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: right | 15:49 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: that sounds reasonable | 15:49 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: that only implies that computes report each aggregate they are in, including metadata | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: yep, that was my proposal | 15:50 |
| n0ano | I have to say, I'm with johnthetubaguy on this, if there's no hosts in an agg or AZ I don't see why the scheduler would need to know about it. | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: well, actually not quite | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: each host reports the AZ zone it thinks its in | 15:51 |
| bauzas | n0ano: yeah, that's logical | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: it doesn't say about its aggregate, or any metadata, it reports what AZ zone it is in | 15:51 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: we need to have aggregate metadata for AggregateImagePropertiesIsolation by example | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: for the tenant filter, the host reports what teants it allows, and what tenants it dis-allows | 15:51 |
| bauzas | or AggregateInstanceExtraSpecsFilter | 15:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: extra specs filter, you probably what to report the extra specs you allow on each host | 15:52 |
| n0ano | sorry guys, we'll have to continue this discussion on the nova channel, there's one more topic we should cover today | 15:52 |
| bauzas | n0ano: right | 15:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: the nice property is the scheduler view of the world is never ahead of what the compute node things it should be doing | 15:52 |
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| n0ano | #topic mid-cycle meetup | 15:53 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: we need to follow-up on that one :) | 15:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: Ok, will have to be later, I have a meeting straight after this one I am afraid | 15:53 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: tomorrow morning, you're free ? | 15:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: OK | 15:54 |
| n0ano | I know we'll talk about forklift status/process, are there other scheduling issue we want to raise at the meetup? | 15:54 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: cool thnks | 15:54 |
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| Yathi | n0ano: I want to discuss the Solver Scheduler blueprint.. and its request for spec freeze exception | 15:54 |
| bauzas | n0ano: there is the proposal from jaypipes about global claiming | 15:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: if we include the resource tracker move to scheduler, along with the current progress, thats probably key | 15:54 |
| n0ano | bauzas, BTW, I think we'll be setting up a Google+ conference so you can join in (with difficulty) | 15:55 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: that would be awesome | 15:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | well some of these other things are more like gantt mid cycle things though right? | 15:55 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: +1 | 15:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | there might be some time for a gantt session in a break out room I guess | 15:55 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, not sure what you mean by `gantt mid-cycle' | 15:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well nova will not let these features in | 15:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | so its quite a quick nova discussion | 15:55 |
| n0ano | ahh, gantt specific vs. nova issues | 15:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 15:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | sorry, I was unclear | 15:56 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: nova will not let what faetures in? | 15:56 |
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| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, NP but that's a good point, we should be focusing on nova issues at the nova meetup | 15:56 |
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| n0ano | and, fer sur, I can arrange a breakout room for a gantt specific session | 15:57 |
| Yathi | n0ano: one topic for midcycle meetup: the scheduler subgroup believes the complex scheduling scenarios as shown in the usecases etherpad.. our solver scheduler BP tries to address that complexity.. and will fit in Gantt.. | 15:57 |
| n0ano | Yathi, I haven't forgotten you, we can address that but I think that is a scheduler specific topic, not a nova one | 15:57 |
| bauzas | n0ano: +1 | 15:58 |
| Yathi | n0ano: sure I agree.. it is scheduler specific.. | 15:58 |
| bauzas | if you want, we can arrange a time for discussing about gantt specifics | 15:58 |
| bauzas | so I could join | 15:58 |
| n0ano | Yathi, I'm not against your solver proposal it's just I want to focus on the gantt split for the moment | 15:58 |
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| bauzas | that would allow us to discuss more easily | 15:58 |
| bauzas | if we have a separate room | 15:59 |
| n0ano | bauzas, +1 | 15:59 |
| bauzas | n0ano, you'll be my voice during the split status meeting | 15:59 |
| Yathi | n0ano: that's great to know. I can imagine.. the priorities..totally agree.. but just want to get the basic framework code in.. | 15:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: we kinda pushed back at the summit, and else where on lots of these, saying please split out gantt first | 15:59 |
| * n0ano has to work on my french accent | 15:59 | |
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| bauzas | I'm still discussing with russellb to see if he can help too | 15:59 |
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| Yathi | n0ano: we have been trying to push the basic framework in (non-disruptive to gantt or nova) since HKG.. hence the push now.. | 16:00 |
| * bauzas would love to give his accent for free | 16:00 | |
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| n0ano | it's approaching the top of the hour, we'll cancel this meeting next week (for obvious reasons), hope to see most of you in Oregon and we talk here in 2 weeks | 16:00 |
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| n0ano | Yathi, understood | 16:00 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 22 16:00:56 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-07-22-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-07-22-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| bauzas | n0ano: sure, enjoy Beaverton beers | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-07-22-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, Colorado beers are better :-) | 16:01 |
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| Yathi | n0ano: thanks.. lets chat in Portland too I am coming | 16:01 |
| n0ano | Yathi, cool, see you there | 16:01 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: well, I think I've been pretty clear on my opinion that we need to stabilize and clean up the resource tracker and scheduler interfaces before a split is worthwhile... | 16:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: yes, this was 6 months ago | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | #startmeeting hyper-v | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 22 16:03:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is primeministerp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | we're going to give some a couple more minutes for others to join | 16:03 |
| ociuhandu | hi all | 16:04 |
| ociuhandu | primeministerp: good morning | 16:04 |
| primeministerp | hey tavi | 16:04 |
| alexpilotti | hey there | 16:04 |
| primeministerp | ociuhandu: we should catch up later i'm planning on heading to the colo at some point | 16:04 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: hey there | 16:05 |
| primeministerp | is luis around | 16:05 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: start w/ some development updates? | 16:05 |
| alexpilotti | sure | 16:05 |
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| primeministerp | #topic nova blueprints/development | 16:06 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: I know there was a lot of code submitted for review including the blueprints for this development cycle | 16:06 |
| alexpilotti | so we have a few BPs already approved | 16:06 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: great | 16:06 |
| alexpilotti | other BPs on Nova are waiting for exceptions | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | what are the critical one's we're waiting on | 16:07 |
| alexpilotti | we uploaded them in time based on the core team requests | 16:07 |
| alexpilotti | but they didn’t get reviewed | 16:07 |
| alexpilotti | SMB (Nova), x509, nova rescue and host power actions | 16:08 |
| alexpilotti | I sent them as exception request to the ML | 16:08 |
| alexpilotti | now we have to wait | 16:08 |
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| alexpilotti | the general problem is that Nova team is swamped | 16:09 |
| alexpilotti | and they have already more BPs than they can handle | 16:09 |
| alexpilotti | on the other side, teh SMB Cinber ones got approved w/o problems | 16:09 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: thanks | 16:13 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: sorry got sidetracked for a moment | 16:14 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: are there additional things that should be discussed | 16:15 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: should we discuss a blueprint for the service bus driver? | 16:16 |
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| alexpilotti | yes, we ned to send a BP request on Oslo for it | 16:18 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: can we get that in just in case | 16:18 |
| alexpilotti | that can be done ASAP targetting K-1 | 16:18 |
| primeministerp | k | 16:18 |
| alexpilotti | with maybe some chance to have it by J-3 | 16:18 |
| primeministerp | ok | 16:19 |
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| alexpilotti | back to the BPs, all the other ones which jhave been approved have already code under review | 16:19 |
| primeministerp | great | 16:19 |
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| alexpilotti | so the key now is to make sure that Nova core has time to review them. Sensing more code than what the review bandwidth allows is not useful. | 16:20 |
| primeministerp | scale is always an issue | 16:20 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: well at least we're moving forward | 16:20 |
| alexpilotti | there are more talsk about subtree +2 rights which is really needed IMO | 16:21 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: alexpilotti: help especially in our case | 16:21 |
| primeministerp | ha | 16:21 |
| primeministerp | autocomplete | 16:21 |
| alexpilotti | heh | 16:21 |
| primeministerp | so | 16:21 |
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| primeministerp | anything more from a development/blueprint perspective | 16:22 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: ^ | 16:22 |
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| alexpilotti | no I think for now is enough | 16:23 |
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| alexpilotti | I hope we’ll have more news next week | 16:23 |
| primeministerp | great | 16:24 |
| primeministerp | I'll change the topic | 16:24 |
| primeministerp | #topic CI | 16:24 |
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| primeministerp | so with recent events here we've got some people shuffled who were involved with our HW acquisition | 16:25 |
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| primeministerp | as of now we're looking at mid aug for the hardware to be online | 16:25 |
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| primeministerp | additionally we're currently rebalancing and cleaning up our current setup to try to stabilize | 16:26 |
| primeministerp | the existing infrastructure | 16:26 |
| ociuhandu | primeministerp: we have had a blocking issue on the neutron side, due to the debug level in the CI, that has been fixed yesterday | 16:26 |
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| primeministerp | ociuhandu: was this the root of the problems yesterday? | 16:26 |
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| ociuhandu | yes | 16:27 |
| primeministerp | heh | 16:27 |
| primeministerp | ociuhandu: thanks for hunting it down | 16:27 |
| primeministerp | ociuhandu: has a patch been committed to fix it yet? | 16:27 |
| ociuhandu | and another pip update failure on hyper-v nodes for sqlalchemy, but we handled that manually | 16:27 |
| primeministerp | ok | 16:28 |
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| ociuhandu | primeministerp: alexpilotti was helping us in tracking it and the original author commited the fix quite fast | 16:28 |
| primeministerp | o great | 16:28 |
| ociuhandu | primeministerp: we have also had a communication problem between zuul and jenkins last friday that led to a cascading effect | 16:28 |
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| ociuhandu | primeministerp: so we had to manually intervene to restabilize the CI on friday night / saturday morning, we have had a few hours of false failures then | 16:29 |
| primeministerp | ociuhandu: i'm aware of the zuul issue, we need to move it off of virtual and onto iron immediately | 16:29 |
| primeministerp | I had thought vijay and tim had done that already | 16:29 |
| ociuhandu | primeministerp: the main problem here is related to jenkins | 16:30 |
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| primeministerp | ociuhandu: jenkins scale or load issues? | 16:30 |
| ociuhandu | it’s not the first time when jenkins stops communicating with zuul and only a manual restart will resume that | 16:30 |
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| ociuhandu | primeministerp: nope, just lain jenkins bug | 16:30 |
| ociuhandu | errr, plain | 16:30 |
| primeministerp | did you have to update the jar? | 16:31 |
| ociuhandu | no | 16:31 |
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| primeministerp | k | 16:31 |
| ociuhandu | it does not talk to zuul anymore, so zuul will just queue up jobs | 16:31 |
| ociuhandu | once you do a restart, all is perfect again | 16:31 |
| ociuhandu | we’re investigating this matter | 16:31 |
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| primeministerp | hmm | 16:33 |
| primeministerp | i think we have serious network congestion issues | 16:33 |
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| ociuhandu | primeministerp: the simple result of this is zuul having queue while on jenkins all executors are idle | 16:34 |
| primeministerp | across the site link | 16:34 |
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| primeministerp | ok | 16:34 |
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| ociuhandu | it’s usually after a network interruption though it should automatically retry | 16:35 |
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| primeministerp | ociuhandu: i'll be heading to the colo after calls this am | 16:35 |
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| ociuhandu | primeministerp: we should have a sync a bit later on the hardware reallocation, when you have a moment | 16:35 |
| primeministerp | ok | 16:35 |
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| primeministerp | after this | 16:35 |
| ociuhandu | great | 16:36 |
| primeministerp | if possible | 16:36 |
| ociuhandu | on the cinder side, we have the images ready, the scripts as well, we’re running now the final tests on them | 16:36 |
| primeministerp | Ok let me know when they are finalized | 16:37 |
| primeministerp | I may have some equipment for you to use already | 16:37 |
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| primeministerp | ociuhandu: that's all I have for now | 16:37 |
| ociuhandu | primeministerp: it’s going to be also virtualized on top of the undercloud | 16:37 |
| primeministerp | ociuhandu:thought we were going to go iron | 16:38 |
| primeministerp | due to constraints | 16:38 |
| primeministerp | if you think we can handle it given our current ram issue | 16:38 |
| primeministerp | i thought it would be easier to deploy onto iron | 16:38 |
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| primeministerp | well maybe not easier but defiantly more performant | 16:39 |
| primeministerp | given our "issues" | 16:39 |
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| ociuhandu | primeministerp: constraints actually mean we should be able to use that hardware for multiple things, not only cinder, since on cinder the workload is way smaller | 16:39 |
| primeministerp | ociuhandu: what's the ram footprint | 16:39 |
| primeministerp | on the windows side | 16:39 |
| primeministerp | so | 16:39 |
| primeministerp | one sec | 16:39 |
| primeministerp | when you say image | 16:39 |
| ociuhandu | considering the identified nodes that can be repurposed, it should not be a problem | 16:39 |
| primeministerp | are you talking the windows or devstack image? | 16:39 |
| ociuhandu | i mean glance image on undercloud for both devstack and windows | 16:39 |
| primeministerp | that's what I thought | 16:40 |
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| ociuhandu | both get deployed in the undercloud | 16:40 |
| primeministerp | i thought we were going to use the devstack instance and a physical windows node | 16:40 |
| primeministerp | based on our discussion last week | 16:40 |
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| primeministerp | if you think we can do it virtualized | 16:41 |
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| primeministerp | then ok | 16:41 |
| ociuhandu | the footprint for the windows node should fit in 2 Gb ram | 16:41 |
| primeministerp | ok | 16:41 |
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| primeministerp | it's going to be tight | 16:41 |
| primeministerp | hehe | 16:41 |
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| primeministerp | ociuhandu: I'm going to end it | 16:41 |
| primeministerp | ociuhandu: need to make some calls | 16:41 |
| primeministerp | #endmeeting | 16:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 22 16:42:00 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:42 |
| ociuhandu | primeministerp: nothing else to add | 16:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2014/hyper_v.2014-07-22-16.03.html | 16:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2014/hyper_v.2014-07-22-16.03.txt | 16:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2014/hyper_v.2014-07-22-16.03.log.html | 16:42 |
| ociuhandu | bye all | 16:42 |
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| andreykurilin1 | #startmeeting Rally | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 22 17:00:48 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreykurilin1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 17:00 |
| coolsvap | hello | 17:01 |
| andreykurilin1 | hi | 17:01 |
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| oanufriev | hi | 17:01 |
| andreykurilin1 | hi! | 17:01 |
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| andreykurilin1 | let's wait a little bit | 17:01 |
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| marcoemorais | here | 17:03 |
| andreykurilin1 | ok, let's start | 17:03 |
| andreykurilin1 | hi all! Boris(boris-42) is on vacation, so I'll lead this meeting today. Topics for discussion: news; updates and so on. | 17:03 |
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| andreykurilin1 | #topic rally news | 17:03 |
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| andreykurilin1 | #topic news | 17:03 |
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| andreykurilin1 | yesterday, Boris sent email to openstack-dev mailing-list with proposition to incubate Rally. I hope you will participate actively in this discussion:) | 17:04 |
| andreykurilin1 | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/040813.html | 17:04 |
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| k4n0 | Hi all o/ | 17:04 |
| andreykurilin1 | hi | 17:05 |
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| andreykurilin1 | k4n0, news = http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/040813.html | 17:05 |
| andreykurilin1 | I think this is excellent news, so let us believe that community will agree with incubation of Rally.What are your thoughts about this news? :) | 17:05 |
| Gamekiller77 | I will for sure | 17:05 |
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| k4n0 | awesome ! | 17:05 |
| Gamekiller77 | I will put as much of Cisco weight as i can | 17:06 |
| Gamekiller77 | i reach out to my contact internal to Cisco about this so we get it on the map | 17:06 |
| rook | Nice! | 17:06 |
| andreykurilin1 | Gamekiller77: cool! | 17:06 |
| andreykurilin1 | RainbowBastion: news = http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/040813.html | 17:06 |
| k4n0 | I think Rally + Tools should be the defacto for benchmarking and understanding openstack from inside and outside | 17:06 |
| Gamekiller77 | yah Rainbow is with me | 17:06 |
| RainbowBastion | I'm working with Gamekiller77 | 17:06 |
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| Gamekiller77 | andreykurilin1, one thing we need clarity is the context info for user data the boris did | 17:07 |
| Gamekiller77 | per Cisco we have a Read only LDAP and need to be able to use static users | 17:07 |
| Gamekiller77 | if this work we are going full bore with Rally testing | 17:07 |
| RainbowBastion | Specifically, what format the file he's reading from is in and how it's set up. | 17:08 |
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| Gamekiller77 | we reach out to Boris directly but this info is great | 17:10 |
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| Gamekiller77 | i think Rally should be the core test and validation system | 17:10 |
| andreykurilin1 | Gamekiller77: agreed | 17:10 |
| andreykurilin1 | Since Rally 'on the threshold' to be incubated, imo, our main task is to make Rally more stable, so I propose to focus on test coverage and quality of tests. Any suggestions? | 17:11 |
| andreykurilin1 | last week Sergey(rediskin) found that one of the Rally component (`rally verify`) was broken. | 17:12 |
| k4n0 | +1 on that, we need stricter coverage requirements on new patchs | 17:12 |
| rook | andreykurilin1 +1 - broader test coverage would be nice. | 17:13 |
| andreykurilin1 | We don't know how long it was broken(several fixes already merged). I was one of reviewers at last patch, that changed `rally verify` and I checked only the quality of the code and don’t checked how it works. This is wrong way of reviewing patches.:) | 17:13 |
| coolsvap | andreykurilin1, agreed, the unit test coverage is already in progress and we should start with functionality coverage sooner than later | 17:13 |
| coolsvap | k4n0, yup agreed | 17:13 |
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| andreykurilin1 | coolsvap: +1 | 17:13 |
| k4n0 | #action Stricter unit test requirements on patches | 17:14 |
| andreykurilin1 | Based on this situation, all of us (core-team and contributors of Rally) should be more attentive to quality and efficiency of patches. | 17:14 |
| k4n0 | Agreed | 17:14 |
| Gamekiller77 | that my and RainbowBastion main focus | 17:14 |
| Gamekiller77 | we ran a test last week and it failed and did not clean up | 17:14 |
| Gamekiller77 | per the LDAP problem i stated | 17:15 |
| coolsvap | andreykurilin1, yup, start with functionality testing would help for command line failures due to patches | 17:15 |
| andreykurilin1 | Gamekiller77, do you have any bugs about it? | 17:16 |
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| Gamekiller77 | i do not have a bug but i have RainbowBastion file one | 17:16 |
| Gamekiller77 | i figured it should go clean up and projects it created but it did not | 17:17 |
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| k4n0 | Gamekiller77, Please file as many bugs as you want, We will triage them as well. | 17:17 |
| Gamekiller77 | RainbowBastion, put that on your list for today todo list ok | 17:17 |
| RainbowBastion | Will do | 17:17 |
| andreykurilin1 | Gamekiller77, cleanup is a pain. we should fix it | 17:17 |
| Gamekiller77 | yah no we are about to start some large scale testing as soon as we get this ldap work around from boris figured out | 17:18 |
| Gamekiller77 | we see the code fix but we not sure how to format the data for ldap static users | 17:18 |
| Gamekiller77 | beside that yes we test the hell out of it as RainbowBastion main job this summer as our intern for my department | 17:18 |
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| k4n0 | Gamekiller77, great news, can you also start triaging new bugs reported in Rally? | 17:19 |
| Gamekiller77 | that is key | 17:19 |
| andreykurilin1 | Gamekiller77, sorry, I do not know nothing about data for ldap. let's wait boris | 17:20 |
| Gamekiller77 | just for simplifylisity can you post the link to the bug system | 17:20 |
| Gamekiller77 | andreykurilin1, it is context really how to provide static context for users | 17:20 |
| Gamekiller77 | this way rally not trying to create users when it tests | 17:20 |
| k4n0 | Gamekiller77, https://bugs.launchpad.net/rally | 17:21 |
| Gamekiller77 | RainbowBastion, make sure to get that link | 17:21 |
| RainbowBastion | Already have it written down | 17:21 |
| Gamekiller77 | cool let run that test again and get as much info and open a case ok | 17:21 |
| Gamekiller77 | sorry bug | 17:21 |
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| andreykurilin1 | Gamekiller77, RainbowBastion: it would be great. If you will report bugs, we could work on them together | 17:23 |
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| Gamekiller77 | RainbowBastion, is here to help make this work for Cisco so yah we work on what we can. I have limited time as i am on fast track to get Icehouse up soon and my PXe system for RHEL7 still down | 17:24 |
| andreykurilin1 | cool | 17:24 |
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| andreykurilin1 | Let's change the topic to "updates". no objections? | 17:25 |
| Gamekiller77 | not here | 17:26 |
| andreykurilin1 | #topic updates | 17:26 |
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| andreykurilin1 | Rally began to accumulate old patches. Does anyone have updates about old patches? Also interested in status of newest patches:) | 17:26 |
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| andreykurilin1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/rally,n,002e762f000193d1 | 17:27 |
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| coolsvap | andreykurilin1, I am & k4n0 working on unit test coverage, have submitted a few patches and will continue working on the same | 17:28 |
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| andreykurilin1 | coolsvap, ok, thanks. anyone else? | 17:28 |
| coolsvap | also I have a blueprint for add create cli command which is WIP | 17:28 |
| k4n0 | andreykurilin1, I am working on getting more detailed timing data for context creation and teardown along with oanufriev | 17:29 |
| andreykurilin1 | coolsvap, could you share link to bp? | 17:29 |
| k4n0 | andreykurilin1, will submit patch by end of thursday | 17:29 |
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| k4n0 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rally/+spec/collect-runtime-duration | 17:29 |
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| rook | i submitted a fix for a issue I found yesterday... regarding networks | 17:30 |
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| andreykurilin1 | k4n0, thanks | 17:31 |
| oanufriev | and i have few patches.... ['Fix side menu depth', 'Whole scenario time measurement', 'Updated rally gate scenarios', 'Periodic runner refactoring'] | 17:31 |
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| coolsvap | andreykurilin1, just a min | 17:32 |
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| andreykurilin1 | rook: great! | 17:33 |
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| coolsvap | andreykurilin1, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack/?searchtext=add-rally-create-cli-command | 17:33 |
| andreykurilin1 | oanufriev: thanks for updates | 17:34 |
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| andreykurilin1 | coolsvap, thanks | 17:34 |
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| andreykurilin1 | Does someone has other topics for discussion? | 17:35 |
| k4n0 | Nothing from my side today | 17:35 |
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| rook | so i am new to Rally, but not benchmarking. | 17:36 |
| rook | I am curious the direction of the scenarios - and the best way to extend a scenario to do more than just single service level benchmarking | 17:36 |
| rook | I was talking with yingjun about this | 17:37 |
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| andreykurilin1 | rook, and what he said?:) | 17:37 |
| rook | 11:44:24 yingjun: rook not now, there is a patch about this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103306/ | 17:38 |
| rook | however, is a mixed scenario something that Rally should be doing | 17:38 |
| rook | or is it more of a component level benchmark ? | 17:38 |
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| andreykurilin1 | rook, i have no answer for you right now, sorry | 17:39 |
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| rook | okay | 17:40 |
| andreykurilin1 | rook, i'll try to discover this question soon and answer to it in #openstack-rally | 17:40 |
| rook | One last question ;) | 17:40 |
| andreykurilin1 | what is the question? | 17:41 |
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| rook | So, the current scenarios are focused on the messaging/db layer of OpenStack - is there any work to have scenarios where a workload is introduced into the guest, such as netperf between two guests | 17:42 |
| rook | and maybe they already exist and I haven't seen them | 17:42 |
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| andreykurilin1 | rook, as far as I remember, Rally hasn't such scenarios yet | 17:43 |
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| rook | Okay... double bummer today | 17:43 |
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| andreykurilin1 | rook, can you create a blueprint for it? | 17:44 |
| Gamekiller77 | rook i am going to need to do this | 17:44 |
| rook | Gamekiller77 me too | 17:44 |
| Gamekiller77 | too so maybe we should work together | 17:44 |
| rook | andreykurilin1 sure | 17:44 |
| Gamekiller77 | RainbowBastion, let work with rook to figure some items out | 17:45 |
| Gamekiller77 | rook i looking at l2 to l2 and l2 to l3 work load | 17:45 |
| andreykurilin1 | rook, Gamekiller77: it would be great! | 17:45 |
| Gamekiller77 | as i use blades some is back plain and some is not | 17:45 |
| rook | Gamekiller77 yup - have scripts now that do this, but I wanted a upstream tool for this. | 17:45 |
| Gamekiller77 | it could be done with rally with a ssh engine or something ok cool let talk later | 17:46 |
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| andreykurilin1 | any other questions/topic for discussion? | 17:47 |
| Gamekiller77 | yes i have one more | 17:47 |
| Gamekiller77 | something that is lacking a test to figure IO load on the storage your using | 17:47 |
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| Gamekiller77 | i have yet to see a metric marker for grabbing that data | 17:47 |
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| Gamekiller77 | it would have to be very open | 17:47 |
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| Gamekiller77 | but most storage venders have api for it | 17:48 |
| Gamekiller77 | so when you run a test case and spin up what was the load on your storage system or in my case cloud | 17:48 |
| Gamekiller77 | as i run Ceph but not limited to Ceph | 17:48 |
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| Gamekiller77 | RainbowBastion, lets talk about this more ok see if we can not come up with a blue print for this idea | 17:49 |
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| Gamekiller77 | i know our bosses are going to ask for this | 17:49 |
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| Gamekiller77 | did i lose you all | 17:50 |
| k4n0 | We are here Gamekiller77 :) | 17:50 |
| andreykurilin1 | Gamekiller77: :) | 17:50 |
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| RainbowBastion | No, I'm here, I was trying to recreate the bug we found yesterday. | 17:51 |
| RainbowBastion | Sorry for disappearing | 17:51 |
| Gamekiller77 | does what i ask sound like something Rally should capture | 17:52 |
| Gamekiller77 | be it local lvm | 17:52 |
| Gamekiller77 | or a nfs or ceph | 17:52 |
| Gamekiller77 | i think a storage load idea would rock | 17:52 |
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| andreykurilin1 | Gamekiller77: hm... I think you should create a bp for it. | 17:54 |
| Gamekiller77 | i am | 17:54 |
| Gamekiller77 | storage is one of my passions | 17:54 |
| andreykurilin1 | :) | 17:54 |
| Gamekiller77 | my gears are running i have high level contacts at EMC and NetApp if i need help | 17:54 |
| Gamekiller77 | also with Ceph | 17:55 |
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| Gamekiller77 | RainbowBastion, let have this as our next meeting and whiteboard a bp | 17:56 |
| andreykurilin1 | Gamekiller77: it would be great, if you will do it:) | 17:56 |
| Gamekiller77 | i want to give back to the community | 17:56 |
| Gamekiller77 | and this is something i can do | 17:56 |
| andreykurilin1 | :) | 17:56 |
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| andreykurilin1 | we must finish this meetings. | 17:57 |
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| k4n0 | Thank you all :) | 17:57 |
| andreykurilin1 | thank you all for discussion! | 17:57 |
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| andreykurilin1 | Gamekiller77: if you want, we can continue discussion at #openstack-rally | 17:58 |
| Gamekiller77 | thanks all i think this was great | 17:58 |
| Gamekiller77 | yup | 17:58 |
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| andreykurilin1 | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 22 17:58:46 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-07-22-17.00.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-07-22-17.00.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-07-22-17.00.log.html | 17:58 |
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| stevemar | keeeeeystone jenkins! | 18:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:00 |
| raildo | hi \o | 18:00 |
| marekd | hey | 18:00 |
| dstanek | hi | 18:00 |
| dolphm | ayoung, bknudson, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, fmarco76, nkinder, lloydm, shrekuma, ksavich, hrybacki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:00 |
| marekd | dolphm: pong | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: hey | 18:01 |
| stevemar | o/ | 18:01 |
| topol | o/ | 18:01 |
| ayoung | O.o | 18:01 |
| gyee | \o | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | o\ | 18:01 |
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| dolphm | #startmeeting keystone | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 22 18:02:00 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dolphm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:02 |
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| dolphm | #topic Juno milestone 2 | 18:02 |
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| bknudson | anything that needs to get in for M2? | 18:02 |
| dstanek | dolphm: i added a topic to the end - if we don't get to it i won't be heart broken | 18:03 |
| dolphm | #info Ensure changes targeted at milestone-2 are gating TODAY | 18:03 |
| bknudson | also, is there a keystoneclient release at M2 time? | 18:03 |
| dolphm | dstanek: ack | 18:03 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: no; but i'd like to do a release of keystoneclient and keystonemiddleware both, by coincidence | 18:03 |
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| dolphm | if there's any reason to block either of those, target bugs/bp's to the next milestone of those projects and i'll follow up | 18:04 |
| ayoung | Lets stagger the client changes after M2 | 18:04 |
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| dolphm | keystoneclient 0.10.0 or keystonemiddleware 1.1.0 | 18:04 |
| dolphm | ayoung: why? | 18:04 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, ++ on the release of both of those | 18:04 |
| ayoung | dolphm, one thing at a time...and I'm hoping to still get the revocation events in | 18:04 |
| ayoung | I'd just suggest getting J2 cut first | 18:05 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: that'd be nice, but i'd also pull the trigger on 0.11.0 in a heartbeat to get that out if it was delayed beyond 0.10.0 | 18:05 |
| ayoung | dolphm, fair enough | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i'd argue that the moment rev. events land we can justify a rlease | 18:05 |
| dolphm | ayoung: and yeah, j2 is a bigger deadline for us | 18:05 |
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| dolphm | lbragstad's api validation patch gated, but there are follow up patches to start utilizing that stuff | 18:06 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, this is the reason we split out the middleware :) | 18:06 |
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| dolphm | i'd like to have it marked as Implemented today though, so let's get as much as we can in, and then do the rest in j3 as follow up (wishlist bugs to add validation in different places?) | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | the meat of the following on patches are in the catalog and assignment apis | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, works for me. | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | this also means i can use it for validating the token format .. woo | 18:07 |
| dstanek | i think lbragstad's patches will be easy to get into merging shape | 18:07 |
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| dolphm | lbragstad: last i looked, it appeared that you could do more parallelization among those patches (they don't need to be deps?) ... is that true? | 18:07 |
| dolphm | dstanek: ++ | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | yes | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | they no longer need to be linear | 18:07 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: can you get them split apart then? we should be able to merge more+faster that way | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | so they can be working in parallel and I don't have to spam the channel every time I change the assignment validation patch :) | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: yep, I can do that | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad, but... that was fun | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | :) | 18:08 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: thanks :) | 18:08 |
| dolphm | #topic Renaming the OpenStack Identity program to the OpenStack TripleA program | 18:08 |
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| lbragstad | thanks for all the review! | 18:08 |
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| dolphm | so, i've had smaller conversations on this topic, and i think it's time to bring this to a larger audience | 18:08 |
| ayoung | AAA? Authentication, Authorization and Audit?\ | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, yep. | 18:09 |
| dolphm | ayoung: ++ | 18:09 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108739/ | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, which also implies we push for policy (both the rules engine and otherwise) | 18:09 |
| dolphm | this is a change to the openstack/governance repo to tweak our program's defintition ^ | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, when / as they graduate. | 18:09 |
| ayoung | 'Call AAA. We'll help when you crash." | 18:09 |
| gyee | rather small A for authorization as it still done at the services | 18:09 |
| dolphm | so there's two meaningful changes proposed there... | 18:10 |
| topol | dolphm, all for it!!! | 18:10 |
| bknudson | we're always the first thing to fail so that's how it works | 18:10 |
| ayoung | gyee, nope, we'll own that too | 18:10 |
| dolphm | one is renaming the program to TripleA (authentication + authorization + audit) | 18:10 |
| ayoung | policy enforcement in keystonemiddleware | 18:10 |
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| dolphm | which i think better reflects the program's maturity and long term scope | 18:10 |
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| ayoung | Works for me | 18:10 |
| dolphm | and then there's the move of pycadf from oslo to tripleA | 18:10 |
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| morganfainberg | good starting place. | 18:10 |
| * morganfainberg is in support. | 18:11 | |
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| dolphm | is anyone here opposed to either of those changes? concerns? | 18:11 |
| * topol is also in huge support | 18:11 | |
| gyee | AaA sounds good | 18:11 |
| ayoung | what about Congress? Are we going to break the news to them that they can't have policy? | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, will be TripleA | 18:11 |
| gyee | :) | 18:11 |
| dolphm | ayoung: does that still exist? | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, if they get that far, i would make a move to pull them into TripleA | 18:11 |
| topol | are they still in session??? | 18:11 |
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| dolphm | commit 6 days ago: https://github.com/stackforge/congress | 18:11 |
| dolphm | i basically forgot about it | 18:11 |
| topol | me too. congress has been quiet | 18:12 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, but afaict they are very very much off in the "figuring how things work" | 18:12 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, they are looking to do things outside of what we consider policy as well. I suspect they are looking to be a general "here's how you do Rules based stuff" project. Half of what we get from oslo, and half stealing from each of the other project; Firewall rules are policy to Congress as well. | 18:12 |
| dolphm | it should go through a graduation process on it's own; if there's clear demand/support for it, i think it would fall under the tripleA umbrella. but it shouldn't be fast tracked or grandfathered into an 'integrated' status | 18:13 |
| bknudson | if audit is part of keystone then congress can work on keystone | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, that wouldn't be a good service/program on it's own. | 18:13 |
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| ayoung | Weekly on Tuesdays at 1700 UTC, e.g. Feb 25, 2014 | 18:13 |
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| topol | so if someone needs pycadf but doesnt need all of keystone that is still possible correct? | 18:13 |
| dolphm | ayoung: that's right after this | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, but I still don't see it as being a huge blocker for them joining this program if they figure things out | 18:13 |
| ayoung | topol, should be. | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | topol, correct, it would stay a separate lib | 18:13 |
| dolphm | topol: pycadf would still stand on it's own | 18:13 |
| dolphm | topol: it's core team would just change from oslo core to keystone core | 18:14 |
| topol | thats would be the only issue folks might bring up | 18:14 |
| dolphm | so we'd be adopting keystone-specs for pycadf, for example | 18:14 |
| ayoung | actually, according to World Clock it is 1700 UTC right now, I think. | 18:14 |
| ayoung | 1715 | 18:14 |
| celttechie | Just FYI: Congress just finished up a meeting and they were talking about joining with Tetris too. | 18:14 |
| dolphm | ayoung: oh; i'm definitely wrong. but it's 1815utc according to google :P | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | celttechie, tetris? | 18:15 |
| stevemar | theres going to be a good amount of confusion about the renaming | 18:15 |
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| dolphm | celttechie: tetris? | 18:15 |
| * jamielennox arrived late and has never heard of half these terms | 18:15 | |
| dolphm | stevemar: with tripleO? or just between identity/triplea | 18:15 |
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| morganfainberg | stevemar, probably not, rename wouldn't affect the code-name, just the program name: OpenStack Identity -> OpenStack Authn/Authz/Audit | 18:16 |
| stevemar | dolphm, the latter | 18:16 |
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| stevemar | morganfainberg, ahhh OK | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, and most people know the code name more than anything else | 18:16 |
| bknudson | we'll have to change the identity API to tripleA API | 18:16 |
| dolphm | stevemar: anywhere we can solve for? s/identity-api/triplea-api/ ? | 18:16 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg, thought we were changing the codename to triplea | 18:16 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I think we leave it as the identity API | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, nah. | 18:16 |
| stevemar | i caught up with the train now | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, that would be silly | 18:17 |
| stevemar | agreed | 18:17 |
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| gyee | AAAAPI | 18:17 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, we might want to cut it into smaller chunks in the future; each of the A's deserves its own API | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i'd 301 the references | 18:17 |
| dolphm | ayoung: that just sounds terrible | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, because we are more than just "Identity" api, but something to discuss | 18:17 |
| dolphm | AAAAPI | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | so, we would have and Identity API that is implemented in TripleA? | 18:18 |
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| dolphm | gyee: i just understood your joke. | 18:18 |
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| lbragstad | I feel like that would be confusing | 18:18 |
| bknudson | our meetings will get very noisy as we yell aaapi | 18:18 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: well, it'd be the identity/tripleA API being implemented by Keystone | 18:18 |
| stevemar | bknudson, you missed one aaaapi | 18:19 |
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| bknudson | aaargh | 18:19 |
| dstanek | would it be too much if we did have a few different named APIs? identity-api, audit-api, etc | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | that's an idea | 18:19 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, no wouldn't be a bad thing | 18:19 |
| dolphm | authentication-authorization-audit-programming-interface | 18:19 |
| dolphm | that works too | 18:19 |
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| ayoung | Dolph, if we split of the IdP, that would be the AuthN API. Current Keystone API would be AuthZ. Audit is its own thing. | 18:20 |
| dolphm | so, i think we have a todo list of action items to produce (possibly renaming repos, etc), i'll start an etherpad... | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, sounds right. | 18:20 |
| bknudson | authentication-authorization-audit-roles-groups-hierarchy | 18:20 |
| ayoung | current API minus the stuff that went to Idp, like user management | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, repo renames are fairly easy. | 18:20 |
| jamielennox | does this all happen within the standard v3 api? | 18:20 |
| dstanek | a³pi | 18:21 |
| ayoung | ThreePI | 18:21 |
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| dolphm | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Identity-to-TripleA | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, c3po? | 18:21 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, nah, I'd suggest we leave things along until we need to bump a version | 18:21 |
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| lbragstad | morganfainberg: yeah, that's how I saw it too | 18:22 |
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| ayoung | When we are ready to split IdP off into its own, we can deal with it then. I'd aregue that the whole thing stays in the identity API repo, just be 3 "core" apis. We can even version each of them 4.0 if we need to keep the number straight | 18:22 |
| gyee | ayoung, yeah, we'll have a split repo by then | 18:23 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, lets not even talk about 4.0 here :P | 18:23 |
| dolphm | alright... let's move on :P | 18:23 |
| dolphm | i added a few things to the etherpad to get started; feel free to add things like repo renames | 18:24 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, its OK, termie started on 5 a while ago | 18:24 |
| dolphm | uhh, there's just a couple blueprints & reviews on the agenda: jamielennox bknudson - did ya'll want those to be #topics? | 18:24 |
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| bknudson | For mine I just wanted to mention that it's making progress | 18:25 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: don't mind, just want to get some discussion/general approval of ideas | 18:25 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: bknudson: okay, then let's hit them in order | 18:25 |
| bknudson | and if you want to see it in action check it out and curl -H "Accept: application/json-home" http://localhost:5000/v3 | python -mjson.tool | 18:25 |
| dolphm | #topic Auth Specific Data | 18:25 |
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| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107325/ | 18:25 |
| jamielennox | The main thing that's come up for this one is what to do about already scoped tokens | 18:26 |
| bknudson | 2 specs for the price of 1 | 18:26 |
| gyee | jamielennox, horizon folks would love that | 18:26 |
| jamielennox | i like the idea that if you are already project scoped you shouldn't receive a list of other projects that you can scope to | 18:26 |
| gyee | right now they are parsing policy files on their own | 18:26 |
| jamielennox | but i don't know if it's doable given default_project_ids | 18:26 |
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| jamielennox | related i cleaned up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108071/ | 18:27 |
| jamielennox | but i don't know if that's a viable alternative | 18:27 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: side note, maybe we need a "scope": null or something in an auth request to explicitly request an unscoped token? | 18:27 |
| dolphm | would be a separate bp | 18:27 |
| ayoung | I wonder if we really need those. What if enumerating projects and domains could only be done with an unscoped token. Like, ever? | 18:27 |
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| dolphm | that'd also mean we need to support unscoped tokens forever | 18:27 |
| dolphm | rather than having a higher level of explicit scope | 18:28 |
| gyee | why does unscoped token need service catalog? | 18:28 |
| ayoung | If the token is scoped to a project, then that scoped token can only see that project. | 18:28 |
| gyee | you have the identity endpoint to begin with | 18:28 |
| ayoung | Unscoped Tokens Forever! | 18:28 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: see review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108071/ | 18:28 |
| dolphm | gyee: that's the next agenda item; hold up | 18:28 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: ha | 18:28 |
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| jamielennox | unscoped tokens are kind of necessary given that we currently say a token has only one scope | 18:28 |
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| jamielennox | i don't know how far we can get away from that with PKI tokens | 18:29 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, we can replcae "unscoped" with "scoped to Keystone" so long as it is considered the root scope, and can only be used with Keystone. | 18:29 |
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| ayoung | Just that we call them unscoped today. Session tokens are another possibility, and we could lump all of the concepts together | 18:29 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: right, this came up before that an unscoped token was really a keystone scoped token | 18:29 |
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| jamielennox | and the next blueprint about adding a service catalog is really just a cheap way of handling thta | 18:30 |
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| ayoung | A token granting Token, if you will..... | 18:30 |
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| gyee | kerberolize Keystone | 18:30 |
| dolphm | ayoung: less lumping please | 18:30 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, i like my token texture creamy, not lumpy | 18:31 |
| gyee | heh | 18:31 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I'm willing to discuss the issues separately, but it might be that we want to have both concepts linked in the same new token format. Mostly this is to support Horizon and comparable use cases | 18:31 |
| jamielennox | so if we can get ?unscoped=true into /auth/tokens then it might make sense that /auth/projects will only response to unscoped tokens? | 18:32 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i'd rather have a gradual evolution than a "new format" | 18:32 |
| jamielennox | 1st step on the path to getting rid of default_project_id | 18:32 |
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| bknudson | I'd think the token would have "scope": null | 18:32 |
| bknudson | or "scope": {} | 18:33 |
| bknudson | the auth request | 18:33 |
| dolphm | bknudson: ++ | 18:33 |
| jamielennox | ok | 18:33 |
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| dolphm | let's save that for an identity-api discussion; jamielennox / ayoung: cut the API details from the spec :) | 18:33 |
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| dolphm | i'm +A on the direction though | 18:33 |
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| dolphm | #topic Unscoped catalog | 18:34 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, yeah, that sounds right. And in the future, we could make that scope: {"endpoint": <keystone> } | 18:34 |
| bknudson | the problem description makes sense... if you really want an unscoped token you can't get one | 18:34 |
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| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107333/ | 18:34 |
| ayoung | so I think the unscoped catalog does not need to be in nthe token itslef, just in the response to getting the token | 18:34 |
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| ayoung | the client will use the result, but only Keystone should be able to validate/accept the token | 18:34 |
| gyee | why catalog for unscoped token? use case? | 18:34 |
| bknudson | seems odd that we were able to survive all this time without a catalog in an unscoped token | 18:35 |
| dolphm | ayoung: why not just return a catalog in response to an unscoped token + GET /v3/catalog ? | 18:35 |
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| jamielennox | gyee: essentially the point is to make the flow the same as regular tokens | 18:35 |
| topol | good plan | 18:35 |
| dolphm | bknudson: yeah, i'd like to better understand the use case here.. | 18:35 |
| jamielennox | gyee: at the moment you have to mangle unscoped URLs so that they include the auth_url | 18:35 |
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| gyee | auth_url is the same regardless | 18:36 |
| jamielennox | that becomes somewhat harder with auth plugins where they don't need to provide you the auth_url in the same way | 18:36 |
| * gyee still confused | 18:36 | |
| bknudson | clients are going to have to handle tokens without catalogs anyways since they have to support old versions of keystone | 18:36 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: right | 18:36 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: so you basically just want to return the auth_url in something that looks like a catalog because it's too hard to use the auth_url that was originally requested, which you'll have to continue doing anyway for backwards compatibility? | 18:37 |
| gyee | there's only one auth_url right? | 18:37 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: ideally i'd return the identity endpoints and let the client do the same discovery on them that it would do for a scoped token talking to keystone | 18:37 |
| gyee | one that client need to know anyway | 18:37 |
| jamielennox | but essentially yes, it's kind of housekeeping in that it's something that i've always found has broken the flow of working with tokens | 18:38 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: but you'll still need to support both flows... forever | 18:39 |
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| dolphm | jamielennox: so you're adding complexity for zero gain | 18:39 |
| gyee | sound like a "zero" gain for me | 18:39 |
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| jamielennox | dolphm: you'd still have to support it, i guess it's just a better feeling workflow | 18:40 |
| bknudson | For the server, it sounds like it's easy to implement. | 18:40 |
| dolphm | bknudson: it's easy on both sides... but there's no payoff | 18:41 |
| jamielennox | especially because for unscoped tokens the fallback looks like: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104771/9/keystoneclient/v2_0/tokens.py | 18:41 |
| bknudson | there's really only a few things you can realistically do with an unscoped token | 18:41 |
| bknudson | how about have an "unscoped" client? | 18:42 |
| jamielennox | essentially let's try to perform this operation in the normal way and if that didn't work it must be because we have an unscoped token so try again with the auth_url | 18:42 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: i don't think your auth.AUTH_INTERFACE is going anywhere healthy either | 18:42 |
| bknudson | rather than trying to support unscoped tokens in the regular client lib | 18:42 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: i think that might be what generic was originally for | 18:42 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, the logic could also be "if there is no service catalog, generate one from the auth url" | 18:43 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: it seems the auth plugin should be able to work with an auth_url to generate an unscoped token; it never needs any other endpoint. similarly the session never needs the auth_url, just scoped catalogs | 18:43 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: that's what the AUTH_INTERFACE is | 18:43 |
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| ayoung | with auth_url becoming an implicit admin interface | 18:43 |
| dolphm | something is crossing boundaries here, but i'm lost as to what it is | 18:43 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I know, I've been using that ccode for the last ...well since you wrote it | 18:43 |
| dolphm | ayoung: auth_url is NOT an "admin" interface. at all. | 18:43 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, once you have an unscoped token, where can you use it? | 18:44 |
| dolphm | ayoung: the auth_url | 18:44 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: you haven't finished the full authN/Z flow yet - so you're still confined to the auth_url. | 18:44 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: the only way i can see that working is that auth plugins should be different for scoped and unscoped tokens | 18:44 |
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| jamielennox | as in all tokens that accept a credential should only be scoped and then there is only 1 way to rescope | 18:45 |
| jamielennox | only be unscoped | 18:45 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: let me back track on myself; i do think the session should be aware of the auth_url so that it can handle rescoping as necessary - agree? | 18:45 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: no, why would the session want to know auth_url - that's plugin specific | 18:46 |
| jamielennox | you can have 1:M session:plugin | 18:46 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: i see the circle we're in now :) | 18:46 |
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| dolphm | jamielennox: can we pick this up after the meeting? | 18:48 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: sure | 18:48 |
| dolphm | #topic JSON-Home progress | 18:48 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: o/ | 18:48 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103983/ | 18:48 |
| bknudson | just wanted to mention that it essentially works, for v3 | 18:48 |
| bknudson | so if you want to try it | 18:48 |
| dolphm | bknudson: this must be your biggest patch ever? | 18:48 |
| bknudson | curl -H "Accept: application/json-home" http://localhost:5000/v3 | python -mjson.tool | 18:49 |
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| bknudson | it's mostly data | 18:49 |
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| bknudson | also, there's a lot of duplication | 18:49 |
| bknudson | removing the duplication will be quite a bit of work | 18:49 |
| bknudson | because it will essentially mean going up a level of abstraction in the routers... | 18:49 |
| dolphm | if anyone is interested, i just checked it out and called it: http://pasteraw.com/4ozb5otuj2bjf9tcvok9q8uolqa2qhh | 18:50 |
| * topol pretty sure bknudson can handle refactoring :-) | 18:50 | |
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| bknudson | where the routers are doing mapping.add_route they should be doing some kind of self._add_resource() that has more info. | 18:50 |
| bknudson | so, that was about it. | 18:50 |
| bknudson | thinking about how to rewrite the clients to use it... | 18:51 |
| dolphm | bknudson: COOL. | 18:51 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: yea that's tough | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | thats cool to see | 18:51 |
| bknudson | essentially the client would have to fetch the json-home doc, then they'd be able to get the URL from JSON-Home | 18:51 |
| bknudson | rather than building the URL themselves | 18:51 |
| dolphm | bknudson: i see a couple bugs :P | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, that makes sense from a workflow | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | but yeah it's got some oddities | 18:51 |
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| bknudson | ok. early feedback would be nice. | 18:52 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: can json-home handle the standard /v2 or /v3 discovery we do now? | 18:52 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: yes... | 18:52 |
| bknudson | I've only got it for /v3 | 18:52 |
| dolphm | is /v3/role_assignments/{role_assignment_id} actually a thing ?! | 18:52 |
| bknudson | but essentially GET / would return all v2 and v3 resources | 18:53 |
| dolphm | that's totally not documented if so, and role_assignments should not have IDs | 18:53 |
| ayoung | bknudson, V3ExtensionRouter(ExtensionRouter): should be in keystone/routers, not in common/wsgi.py | 18:53 |
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| bknudson | v3 resources are like http://docs.openstack.org/identity/rel/v3/users | 18:53 |
| bknudson | and v2 resources would be like http://docs.openstack.org/identity/rel/v2.0/users | 18:53 |
| dolphm | bknudson: i don't know that we'd get much payoff from adding this to v2 | 18:53 |
| ayoung | Or is every router now becoming an V3ExtensionRouter.... | 18:54 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: it's so we would have to do vereion discovery lookup and then json-home lookup as well | 18:54 |
| bknudson | dolphm: y, I think the payoff would be if we wanted to use this for "version discovery" | 18:54 |
| dolphm | ayoung: V3ExtensionRouter belongs in wsgi imo | 18:54 |
| dolphm | ayoung: it's wsgi framework code | 18:54 |
| jamielennox | s/would/wouldn't | 18:54 |
| ayoung | I think all of the lookup/discovery stuff is starting to call for some sort of caching/bookmark story | 18:55 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: +1 for responding to json-home on / but do you need to provide *every* v2 resource there? | 18:55 |
| jamielennox | it means is it a change to discovery or a change to client | 18:55 |
| dolphm | are we going to bother revving the v2 client to acknowledge all that data? | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, do we need the v2 client to? | 18:55 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: discovery caches on the session and on the auth plugin | 18:55 |
| bknudson | at least for the public interface there aren't many v2 resources | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | can we let the v2 client just kind of... do it's thing? | 18:56 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, I'm not certain that will work for CLI and Horizon use cases, unless we have "persist and restore session to keyring" | 18:56 |
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| jamielennox | yea, i don't mind if json-home doesn't say anything at all about v2 resources | 18:56 |
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| jamielennox | just if /v2 and/or /v3 exist | 18:56 |
| bknudson | well, it sounds like v2 isn't that interesting to people so I'll focus my time on cleaning up the current change | 18:57 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: IncompletePreposition: 'to' (i don't know what you're asking) | 18:57 |
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| gyee | bknudson, does it work with extensions? | 18:57 |
| gyee | nm, I see it | 18:57 |
| bknudson | gyee: yes, it works with extensions (the v3 work does) | 18:57 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: yea CLI is a problem, serializing the session and auth plugins is something i've known about but haven't been asked for yet | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, bother acknowledging the json-home stuff | 18:57 |
| dolphm | bknudson: +++ | 18:57 |
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| bknudson | ok, thanks for the feedback. | 18:58 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, I think I am going to be hitting that in Horizon here shortly. People are using the tokenid as the session persistance. But if there is discovery that went on, we'll want that remembered, too. And not every Horizon session should have to do the full discovery dance | 18:58 |
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| dolphm | hrm we're out of time with two things left on the agenda | 18:59 |
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| gyee | continue in #openstack-keystone | 18:59 |
| dolphm | actually, is there an infra meeting today? or can we run long? jeblair? mordred? | 19:00 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, there is also OSCON stuff going on | 19:00 |
| jeblair | dolphm: go for it | 19:01 |
| topol | do we stay here or hop? | 19:01 |
| dolphm | jeblair: are you having a meeting today? | 19:01 |
| topol | alright. stay until we get bumped and glared at :-) | 19:01 |
| gyee | k :) | 19:02 |
| dolphm | jeblair: if we run long it'll be like 20 minutes | 19:02 |
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| dolphm | jeblair: or we can just switch to -keystone | 19:02 |
| bknudson | gyee: would X.509 client cert auth benefit from a mapping? | 19:02 |
| topol | we have our own channel... why grovel for breadcrumbs?? | 19:02 |
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| gyee | bknudson, it could | 19:02 |
| morganfainberg | lol | 19:02 |
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| gyee | but we don't have the plumbing in place for that kind of stuff yet | 19:03 |
| gyee | ideally, everyting should go through mapping | 19:03 |
| bknudson | I like federation then | 19:03 |
| topol | keystone is no longer living in a van by the river | 19:03 |
| morganfainberg | topol, shhh don't tell anyone | 19:03 |
| dolphm | #topic X.509 SSL Client Certificate Authn | 19:03 |
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| morganfainberg | :P | 19:03 |
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| gyee | we'll need to make significant changes to the federation plumbing to make that happen | 19:03 |
| gyee | right now it only works for saml2 | 19:03 |
| jamielennox | significant? | 19:03 |
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| gyee | yes | 19:03 |
| bknudson | hopefully those changes to the plumbing will make it more flexible | 19:04 |
| bknudson | I think this is what we wanted from the beginning. | 19:04 |
| jamielennox | how does it change from the current 'map this httpd header to this attribute' | 19:04 |
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| jamielennox | and i agree anything it doesn't currently cover it should | 19:04 |
| dstanek | gyee: i think it will be less work than you think and there is already movement toward making it more generic | 19:05 |
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| gyee | yes, I think we can make it generic | 19:05 |
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| gyee | only question is time and effort | 19:05 |
| kwss | I'd like to know what is happening towards this :) | 19:05 |
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| bknudson | gyee: btw the spec looks great | 19:06 |
| gyee | 1) change federation plugin to make it generic | 19:06 |
| gyee | https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/contrib/federation/controllers.py#L242 | 19:06 |
| jamielennox | so i guess the interesting part of this would be how does it fit in with /identity_providers/{idp}/protocols/{protocol} ? | 19:06 |
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| gyee | 2) change the saml2 plugin to make it generic | 19:06 |
| gyee | 3) make token issuance a pipeline | 19:06 |
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| gyee | jamielennox, it would be an x.509 provider | 19:07 |
| dstanek | there is a code review somewhere to rename saml2 to something else - it really isn't saml2 specific IIRC | 19:07 |
| bknudson | if federation was used then would you have to use an apache module? | 19:07 |
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| gyee | bknudson, yes | 19:07 |
| kwss | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104301/ | 19:07 |
| jamielennox | gyee: but it doesn't map to an idp id was my though | 19:07 |
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| gyee | you still need apache to do the heavy lifting in validating and parsing the cert | 19:08 |
| dstanek | bknudson: you wouldn't have to because the vars are pulled from the environment | 19:08 |
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| bknudson | does it work through an SSL terminator? | 19:08 |
| dolphm | kwss: can you take the term 'reegineered' out of that spec? it scares people and it's so vague that any spec could be prefixed by 'reegineered-*' | 19:08 |
| jamielennox | dstanek: apache is still needed to populate those environments though | 19:08 |
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| kwss | dolphm, sure, what do you think it should be changed to? | 19:09 |
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| dstanek | jamielennox: using federation does not require it though - you may need an apache module for a specific protocol though | 19:09 |
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| dolphm | kwss: something specific and succinct that describes the problem | 19:09 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i don't think it would work through an SSL terminator | 19:09 |
| gyee | bknudson, SSL has to be terminated at Apache | 19:09 |
| kwss | dolphm, something like generic-federation-plugin? | 19:10 |
| dolphm | kwss: that's a step better | 19:10 |
| jamielennox | standard-mapping | 19:10 |
| gyee | so we all agree to kill the x.509 cert auth plugin in favor of a generic federation layer? | 19:11 |
| gyee | or do the plugin now and then work on generic federation? | 19:11 |
| bknudson | gyee: I prefer federation | 19:11 |
| dstanek | gyee: i think that's the right path | 19:12 |
| gyee | with federation, we can get rid all the remote user auth plugins too | 19:12 |
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| gyee | external auth can also use the same framework | 19:12 |
| kwss | bknudson, I agree, as it then ties in with adding keystone-to-keystone, open idc etc | 19:12 |
| bknudson | gyee: so is there still a "support X.509" or is it just "make federation more generic" | 19:13 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: ++ | 19:13 |
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| gyee | bknudson, we still need x.509 | 19:13 |
| bknudson | ok, just wondering if x.509 needed something in addition to generic federation | 19:14 |
| gyee | but now it has a dependency on making federation more generic | 19:14 |
| gyee | instead of a standalone plugin | 19:14 |
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| dolphm | gyee: i'm lost on how x509 support is not a plugin either way? | 19:15 |
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| gyee | dolphm, with generic federation, it would become an identity provider | 19:15 |
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| gyee | saml2 auth plugin will be part of the token pipeline | 19:15 |
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| gyee | only problem is making generic federation work, we are probably looking at K and beyond | 19:16 |
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| dstanek | gyee: do you know what doesn't work? | 19:17 |
| gyee | since the changes are quite significant | 19:17 |
| bknudson | we seem to have a lot of people interested in it | 19:17 |
| dolphm | gyee: ^ does a spec exist that describes the gaps your looking at? | 19:17 |
| dolphm | you're* | 19:17 |
| gyee | dolphm, I think David and kwss have a spec | 19:18 |
| gyee | kwss, you have the url? | 19:18 |
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| kwss | It's this one, but I think it still needs work https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104301/ | 19:18 |
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| kwss | Can I rename a spec or do I need to make a fresh one? | 19:19 |
| dolphm | kwss: iterate on this one | 19:19 |
| dstanek | when we talked about this at the hackathon i got the impression that it really wasn't that bad | 19:19 |
| gyee | dstanek, you mean the refactoring part? | 19:20 |
| dolphm | dstanek: kwss's spec is fairly straight forward | 19:20 |
| dstanek | gyee: making the mechanism more generic | 19:20 |
| kwss | dstanek, I thought it was just a case of renaming the saml2 plugin to something generic and calling the correct code to manage extraction of assertion data | 19:20 |
| dolphm | kwss: gyee: but that doesn't describe the relationship between x509, the mythical token pipeline that we've mutilated, and federation | 19:20 |
| dstanek | the real work would be in whatever other identity providers you have to make | 19:21 |
| gyee | dolphm, lemme work off kwss's spec | 19:21 |
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| gyee | a diagram or two probably will make things better | 19:21 |
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| dolphm | gyee: keeps specs narrow and focused! | 19:21 |
| gyee | but its a "generic" spec :) | 19:22 |
| dolphm | so anyway | 19:22 |
| dolphm | #topic Python 3 temporary solutions | 19:22 |
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| dolphm | dstanek: o/ | 19:22 |
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| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95827/11/test-requirements-py3.txt | 19:22 |
| dstanek | so i just wanted to get some feedback on what i was hacking on | 19:22 |
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| dstanek | we all know that we can't product a real py3 version any time soon | 19:22 |
| dstanek | but i really want to get something usable so i can start testing in a real environment and not just unit tests | 19:23 |
| bknudson | jenkins likes it | 19:23 |
| dstanek | so one of the compromises i decided to make was "temporarily" depend on third party packages that are not approved | 19:23 |
| bknudson | I think packagers are going to freak out | 19:24 |
| dolphm | bknudson: but no one is packaging for py3 either | 19:24 |
| dstanek | for example i wanted to hook it into my ldap setup so i needed a version of ldap that actually works in py3 | 19:24 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: they can't package it yet | 19:24 |
| bknudson | gate-keystone-python33 SUCCESS in 6m 21s (non-voting) | 19:24 |
| dstanek | up until today or yesterday we have py3 syntax errors | 19:24 |
| bknudson | if it allows us to turn on gating for py3 then it's probably worth it | 19:24 |
| dolphm | the patch linked about is also like tenth in a chain of patches | 19:25 |
| dstanek | yes, i would very much like to get that going much faster than it is now | 19:25 |
| dstanek | dolphm: yes, but the only one where i admit to using questionable methods | 19:25 |
| bknudson | well, the blueprint isn't approved so nobody's going to review it | 19:26 |
| dstanek | this also gives us a list of things that need to be fixed before we can have a real release | 19:26 |
| dolphm | bknudson: dstanek: isn't it targeted to ongoing anyway? | 19:26 |
| dolphm | fixed* | 19:27 |
| stevemar | shouldn't we be in -keystone and not in -meeting | 19:27 |
| dstanek | dolphm: yes, but i should probably make a spec anyway? there have already been a tons of patches attributes to py3 and that bp | 19:27 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, no infra meeting, we're occupying the channel | 19:27 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar had a couple extra topics to cover | 19:27 |
| bknudson | I don't see the need for a spec | 19:27 |
| dolphm | dstanek: sure, i imagine it'd be short | 19:27 |
| dstanek | if there are no major issues with the dependencies i'll continue down that path | 19:28 |
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| dolphm | i see the -py3 requirements file as being documentation | 19:31 |
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| dolphm | first and foremost ^ so i don't have a problem with documenting what it takes to run on py3 | 19:31 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: i saw you reviewed the first patch in the series; fwiw, the first few in the series look really simple | 19:32 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: y, should be able to approve the others once jenkins oks | 19:33 |
| bknudson | dstanek: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102737/ has comments | 19:33 |
| dolphm | i just +2'd that one regardless | 19:33 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: keystoneclient release? (when conversation slows) | 19:33 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: i'll prepare one now | 19:34 |
| dolphm | let's switch back to -keystone | 19:34 |
| dolphm | #endmeeting | 19:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:34 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 22 19:34:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-07-22-18.02.html | 19:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-07-22-18.02.txt | 19:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-07-22-18.02.log.html | 19:34 |
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