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HenryGWho's here for the neutron_db meeting?12:59
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akamyshnikovaI am13:00
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HenryG#startmeeting neutron_db13:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun  9 13:01:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is HenryG. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:01
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HenryGAgenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NeutronDB13:02
HenryGWe'll keep it short today13:02
HenryGI had an action item from last week, to ask operators how important downgrade is to them.13:03
HenryGHowever, after checking with Mark McClain and Salvatore, the new plan is to support downgrade.13:03
HenryGBecause we think we can do it as a migration.13:03
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HenryGThe downgrade direction will basically do nothing for the (un)healing migration.13:04
akamyshnikovato support downgrade but do not drop any tables?13:04
HenryGakamyshnikova: correct.13:04
akamyshnikovaHenryG, ok13:04
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HenryGSo if a deployment downgrades from the healing migration (or later), it will end up with all tables.13:05
HenryGThis is deemed not to be a problem, since the tables are not used.13:06
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HenryGIt should be documented so deployers are not concerned when they encounter it.13:06
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HenryGI have updated the spec to reflect this.13:07
akamyshnikovaI look though spec it looks good to me13:08
HenryGMost of the work will now lie in getting the migration right, https://review.openstack.org/9643813:08
HenryGjlibosva brought up a tough question, about how to include the models from icehouse for diff13:09
jlibosvaI was thinking about creating a separate module containing icehouse models...that's like copy paste.13:09
akamyshnikovaI was thinking about that too13:09
akamyshnikovabut I think we need some other ideas about this13:10
HenryGSounds like we have one plan. Let's work on that and see where it gets us.13:10
jlibosvaI think there is no way how to get models from previous versions and we need persistence here.13:10
jlibosvaI have one thing for Open discussion later13:11
akamyshnikovaok, in next patch set I will do changes according this idea13:11
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HenryGThanks akamyshnikova13:12
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jlibosvaakamyshnikova: if you want, I can provide such module so you can focus on healing script13:12
akamyshnikovajlibosva, thanks! It will be great if you help with that :)13:13
HenryGgreat13:13
HenryG#topic Open Discussion13:13
jlibosvaakamyshnikova: ack, I'll start working on that once I'm finished with my current work13:13
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jlibosvayay13:14
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jlibosvabasically current healing script that gathers models from code is capable of syncing db state according to those models.13:15
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jlibosvathat brings up a question why we can't use it generally for db migrations13:15
HenryGIt depends on what code base you have present13:15
jlibosvaso does current migrations because they contain migration scripts13:16
HenryGYou mean automate generation of migrations?13:16
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jlibosvawell, using the healing script for db scheme changes, migration scripts could contain only data migrations13:17
jlibosvamaybe there are some bigger cons that I don't see, so I'd like to know your opinion13:18
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HenryGThis is outside the immediate scope of the healing migration work, right?13:19
jlibosvayes13:19
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HenryGI don't have enough expertise to give an answer.13:20
jlibosvaok, maybe ML will be better then13:20
jlibosvathanks13:20
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HenryGCould you start an email thread maybe? I think you should get feedback from Mark and Salvatore at least, and perhaps the sqlalchemy author who now works on openstack.13:21
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jlibosvaHenryG: got it on my todo list13:22
HenryGjlibosva: thanks!13:22
HenryGAny other questions?13:22
jlibosvanope13:23
akamyshnikovaI don't  have any at this point13:23
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HenryG#endmeeting13:25
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openstackMeeting ended Mon Jun  9 13:25:43 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)13:25
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-06-09-13.01.html13:25
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-06-09-13.01.txt13:25
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HenryGThanks akamyshnikova and jlibosva !13:26
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akamyshnikovaHenryG, thank you!13:26
jlibosvathank you too :)13:26
jlibosvasee you later13:26
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salv-orlandohi people. I obviously forgot about the time change.13:43
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HenryGsalv-orlando: no problem. I think we are in pretty good shape. There is one tricky issue about getting the icehouse version on the models to compare against, but a solution is being tried.13:45
salv-orlandoyes I am reading the meeting log13:45
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salv-orlandoI13:46
HenryGsorry, we can move to the neutron channel13:47
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tnurlygayanov#startmeeting Mistral weekly meeting15:59
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun  9 15:59:51 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tnurlygayanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:59
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tnurlygayanovHi there!15:59
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nmakhotkinhi!16:00
tnurlygayanovwelcome to weekly Mistral meeting!16:00
gokrokveHi!16:00
m4dcoderHi16:00
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tnurlygayanovRenat on PTO now and I'm again will drive this meeting16:01
dziminehi there!16:01
tnurlygayanovlet's start from our report for the previous week16:01
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tnurlygayanov#topic Status Update16:01
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tnurlygayanovon this week we fixed our CI tests and now it works for all commits16:02
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dziminedid you flip it to be voting?16:02
tnurlygayanovalso I saw commits with migration to testr, and now we run all tests in parrallel16:03
tnurlygayanovdzimine, yes, we commit this to infra16:03
tnurlygayanov#info Mistral CI will voiting after merge of this commit: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9879916:04
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tnurlygayanovdzimine, what about your progress on this week? I reviewed several commits from you16:05
dziminedid prep steps to introduce the start task, will continue on.16:05
tnurlygayanovm4dcoder, what about your progress on this week, could you please share details? :)16:05
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nmakhotkinI continue to fix bugs on API side and small fixes in engine16:06
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tnurlygayanov#info: <dzimine> did prep steps to introduce the start task, will continue on.16:06
tnurlygayanov#info <nmakhotkin> I continue to fix bugs on API side and small fixes in engine16:06
tnurlygayanovok, cool16:06
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tnurlygayanovso, on this week we also discussed Mistral UI and what we want to have in this UI16:07
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nmakhotkinyes16:07
tnurlygayanovnmakhotkin, could you please share some details about that?16:07
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tnurlygayanovhm... anybody also from Mistral team on this meeting?16:09
nmakhotkinI have a discussion with one guy from Murano, and we decided how this UI will be look like16:09
tnurlygayanovnmakhotkin I also suggest to dicuss it with dzimine and Renat now :)16:10
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nmakhotkinWe discussed inks between namespace <-> actions <-> tasks16:10
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tnurlygayanovso, are we ready to describe our new vision on Mistral Wiki?16:10
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tnurlygayanovor with bp?16:11
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dzimineI know Kirill and Renat were also discussing this topic. How do you plan to capture all these discussions?16:11
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nmakhotkinhere is the doc - https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/document/d/19Q9JwoO77724RyOp7XkpYmALwmdb7JjoQHcDv4ffZ-I/edit16:12
tnurlygayanovso, I know that Timur Sufiev(from Murano team) has a good UI expirience and he can help to create user friendly UI for Mistral16:13
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tnurlygayanovwe can discuss all ideas and select the right way, based on our use cases and roadmap16:13
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tnurlygayanovdzimine, m4dcoder, gokrokve could you please review this doc? https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/document/d/19Q9JwoO77724RyOp7XkpYmALwmdb7JjoQHcDv4ffZ-I/edit16:15
gokrokveSure. What is a deadline for that?16:15
tnurlygayanov#info : new ideas for Mistral UI published in the doc (draft) https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/document/d/19Q9JwoO77724RyOp7XkpYmALwmdb7JjoQHcDv4ffZ-I/edit16:15
dziminethat’s interesting.16:15
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dzimineok, let’s review and discuss offline on the mailing list.16:15
tnurlygayanovgokrokve I'm not shure that we have a dedline for that, we can discuss this doc on the next weekly meeting16:16
dzimineAre you guys plan to publish this to the mailing list for Heat/Solum/etc?16:16
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gokrokveok.16:16
gokrokvedzimine: yes. It s already shared with engineers from these teams.16:16
tnurlygayanovdzimine, yes, but before that I suggest to discuss these ideas with Mistral team16:16
dziminelink to the mailing list?16:16
tnurlygayanovou16:17
tnurlygayanovcool16:17
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m4dcodertnurlygayanov: i was afk. i still need to fix my two patch sets and resubmit. also studying the "refine engine-executor" bp and have some questions. but Renat is out of office.  i'll review the doc offline.16:17
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tnurlygayanov#info <m4dcoder> I still need to fix my two patch sets and resubmit. also studying the "refine engine-executor" bp and have some questions. but Renat is out of office.  i'll review the doc offline.16:18
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tnurlygayanovm4dcoder, could you please share the links to your patch sets, we will check them?16:18
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tnurlygayanovhm.... ok16:19
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tnurlygayanovso, let's discuss our plans for the next week16:20
tnurlygayanov#topic Plans For The Next Week16:20
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tnurlygayanovI plan to review all new bugs on this week, and also I will review our AIs for preparation to incubation request16:22
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tnurlygayanovlooks like on the next week we will have 'right' CI with voiting devstack gate16:23
tnurlygayanov#info <tnurlygayanov> I plan to review all new bugs on this week, and also I will review our AIs for preparation to incubation request16:23
dzimineI have two concerns: 1) organizational 2) technical16:23
nmakhotkinMy plan is to finish current patches and work on bp mistral-openstack-data-accessible-by-default16:24
dzimine1) organizational: we should be more open to the community and among ourselves.16:24
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tnurlygayanovdzimine, ok, let's discuss them16:24
tnurlygayanovyes16:24
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tnurlygayanov#info <nmakhotkin> My plan is to finish current patches and work on bp mistral-openstack-data-accessible-by-default16:25
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dziminee.g., CI - I know you had some internal planning, but no artifacts shared, so it’s difficult to even review without understanding the context.16:25
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m4dcoderi'll have to fix and resubmit them. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94225/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98275/16:25
gokrokvedzimine: +1. We need to share such things16:25
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tnurlygayanovdzimine, yes, we want to discuss our CI on this week16:25
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gokrokvetnurlygayanov: Do you have any artifacts to share i.e. docs?16:26
dzimineyes, I am just making the point that you first have done it, and now ready to discuss :)16:26
tnurlygayanovok, we can do this on todays meeting, on the 'free discussion' part16:26
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tnurlygayanovgokrokve right now not, we have just a code16:26
dzimineLet’s not make the same with UI, and do some etherpad or blueprint to be open for intput, and have a decision point when we agree what we do.16:26
tnurlygayanovgokrokve, it is good idea, we will describe our tests suites on the Mistral Wiki16:27
gokrokvedzimine: For UI Timur S. is going to send this document to ML today\tomorrow.16:27
dzimineguys sorry I can’t get my point across: it’s not about DESCRIBING what is already done.16:27
dzimineIt’s about deciding what to do and how to do this.16:27
gokrokvedzimine: Yes. This document is a first draft of what can be done16:28
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gokrokveThere is nothing implemented yet and this is a vision of the future framework which can be used by different projects16:28
dzimineLike even little things: swithces to testr: it is 100% good idea I am sure but why not shoot email to mistral mailing list saying ‘we decided to go to testr because of a) & b) and c)16:29
gokrokveSomeone should draft the first version as otherwise it will be endless loop of e-mails with no actual design16:29
dzimineelse you look at the review, and all it says in the commit comment is ‘swithc to testr’.16:29
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dzimineI am fine with any reasonable form of sharing, and just asking for at the very least sharing the results of Mirantis’ internal decisions.16:30
dzimineat the very least.16:30
tnurlygayanovdzimine, about tesrt - this commit surprized me, yes, but it is cool - we have some problem and we have the commit which will fix this problem.16:30
tnurlygayanovdzimine I'm agree that we should descuss this16:31
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dzimineeven if not discuss to save on endless discussion, share teh decisions.16:31
tnurlygayanovdzimine, I will discuss this doc with tsufiev and he will publish it in ML (if it's not published yet)16:32
dzimineLet’s pracice this on this UI discussion: put proposal, post it out, make sure other people are looped in.16:32
dzimineok now is #2, technical, re CI.16:32
dzimineThere’s a lot of big refactoring coming.16:32
dzimineit will definitely break the tests.16:33
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dzimineTwo things that may help is 1) make a subset of tests runnable on dev machine without devstack. and 2) hold on making it voting till we stabilize.16:33
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tnurlygayanovdzimine, about the short commit messages: +1 for that, so, we can set -1/-2 for that and say 'need to discuss this feature first'16:33
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tnurlygayanovhm...16:34
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dzimineThe refactoring is mainly on Renat, but to what I know it will break.16:34
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tnurlygayanovso, we can postpone 'voiting', no problem16:34
dzimineLet’s wait till Renat comes back and has some plan on how to refactor.16:35
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tnurlygayanovbut CI can help to save Mistral in working state16:36
dzimineLet’ me hold on now, and Timur please go with the agenda, we’ll discuss CI tests in the open section at the end.16:36
tnurlygayanovso, if we want to refactor some part of main functional or API, we should change our tests and after that they will pass16:37
tnurlygayanovok16:37
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tnurlygayanovdzimine, m4dcoder, what abour your plan on this week?16:38
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dzimineI plan to finish the ‘start task’16:38
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tnurlygayanov#info <dzimine> I plan to finish the ‘start task’16:38
tnurlygayanovcool16:38
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tnurlygayanovso16:38
m4dcoderfix the two open changes that I have16:39
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tnurlygayanov#info plan for this week: <m4dcoder> fix the two open changes that I have16:39
tnurlygayanovok16:39
tnurlygayanovhm, we can start our free discussion now16:40
tnurlygayanov#topic Free Discussion16:40
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tnurlygayanovabout the discussion of different new ideas and technicall decissions16:41
tnurlygayanovit is really hard to validate that we have the correct changes in patch set, if we don't discuss them with all core reviewers at least16:42
tnurlygayanovI suggest ma16:42
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tnurlygayanov*sorry16:42
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dziminemember:tnurlygayanov: how do you mean?16:43
tnurlygayanovI suggest to voite -2 for all commits with new big features, which we don't discuss with all Mistral team or if commit message has only one sentense and we can't understand why this patch set should be merged16:44
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dziminethis is too strict, but point taken. Get the discipline of writing and sharing anything big.16:45
dzimineok.16:45
tnurlygayanovyes :)16:45
dzimineRe CI: do all the devstack tests you guys want are already landed?16:45
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tnurlygayanovdzimine, looks like we have base coverage for integration tests now and we don't want to increase the number of this tests, if we plan significant refactoring16:47
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tnurlygayanovcould you please share some details what we want to change in the nearest future?16:47
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tnurlygayanovfor CI: I suggest to change tests in the same commit, if we changed something in code16:48
dziminestart-task is #1: it’s small but will change all the API.16:48
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dzimineshouldn’t break integration tests as the start task parameter will be just ignonred in the post body.16:48
dzimineand I’ll change the demo.yaml to add start-task.16:49
dzimineThe biggest is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-entities-accessibility-regardless-workbooks16:49
tnurlygayanovdzimine, ok, we can just change our integration and unit tests for these changes16:49
dziminethis has a potential to break a lot.16:49
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tnurlygayanovif we will do this with small commits, it will be not hard and I'm ready to help with any problems with tests/CI16:50
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dziminewe’ll know better when we design it (case in point we need to share desing first, etherpad will be ok)16:50
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dzimineI am not touching it this week, it’s just a head’s up.16:51
tnurlygayanovdzimine, yes, so, I will dicuss patch set to infra about voiting Mistral devstack gate with Sergey and he will mark this commit as 'work in progress', and that should help16:51
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tnurlygayanovso, if we will have non-voiting all new changes can be easilly implemented with small pathches and tests can be fixed for each new patch set16:52
dzimineThe other big changing blueprint is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/deprecate-requires-in-dsl16:52
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tnurlygayanovok, I want to write these ideas16:53
dzimineYes non-voting, with gradual changes will work.16:53
tnurlygayanov#idea - what we want ot change - <dzimine> start-task is #1: it’s small but will change all the API.16:53
tnurlygayanov#idea - what we want ot change - <dzimine> and I’ll change the demo.yaml to add start-task.16:53
dziminemember:tnurlygayanov: can you find and document the way to run some of integration tests locally on dev machine?16:54
tnurlygayanov#idea - what we want ot change - <dzimine> The biggest is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-entities-accessibility-regardless-workbooks16:54
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tnurlygayanov#info  - what we want ot change - <dzimine> The other big changing blueprint is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/deprecate-requires-in-dsl16:54
tnurlygayanovhm...16:54
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dzimineE.g., demo.yaml now requires OpenStack, but for magority of API tests we can just use workflow based on echo task (and add async-echo there)16:54
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tnurlygayanovyes, it is simple, we use just nosetests <file_with_integrational_tests>16:55
dziminethis will require big refactoring in API changes.16:55
dziminehttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-multiple-workflows16:55
tnurlygayanovof course we should have the right configuration file16:55
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tnurlygayanovdzimine, ok, I can share the manual 'how to run Mistral integration tests on the dev environment' tomorrow, I will send the link to ML16:56
dziminecool.16:56
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tnurlygayanov#action  <tnurlygayanov> I can share the manual 'how to run Mistral integration tests on the dev environment' tomorrow, I will send the link to ML16:56
dzimineand think about making some of these tests independent on devstack installation.16:57
dziminedo you think it makes sense?16:57
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tnurlygayanovdzimine they are independent16:57
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tnurlygayanovwe run these tests on different labs and I know that nmakhotkin runs them on his dev box16:58
dzimineI am looking at api/v1/demo.yaml and it has Nova.create-vm16:58
tnurlygayanovso, it is not based only on devstack scripts16:58
tnurlygayanovyes16:58
dzimineoh, but they require OpenStack.16:59
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tnurlygayanovyes, of course they are required OpenStack :)16:59
dzimineI mean that most of these tests don’t require OpenStack connection16:59
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dzimineonly keystone authentication needs to be testsed with OpenStack.16:59
tnurlygayanovdzimine, it is integration tests, we want to test different scenaries17:00
tnurlygayanovand our main use cases now is to deploy something. Using devstack gate we can deploy something on OpenStack17:00
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dzimineyes, I don’t disagree, I am just saying we can break them further and have some which are independent on OpenStack, marked somehow so taht we can skip OpenStack dependent.17:01
tnurlygayanovif we don't want to use OpenStack, we can run simple integration tests, which are not required the OpenStack installation17:01
tnurlygayanovhm..17:01
tnurlygayanovit is interesting17:01
dziminehow to run simple integration tests? May be that’s what I am looking for?17:02
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sarobGuys, it's time17:02
dzimineOk.17:02
tnurlygayanovyes, sorry17:02
sarobnp17:02
tnurlygayanovwe can continue in #openstack-mistral17:02
tnurlygayanov#endmeeting17:02
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sarob#startmeeting training-manuals17:03
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals'17:03
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dguitarbiterollcall17:03
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matjazphi all17:03
rluethihey17:03
dguitarbitehello17:03
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sarobMorning/evening17:04
dguitarbitegday17:04
sarobLet's start with the leads and get updates17:04
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sarob#topic stable update17:04
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sarobrl or dguitarbite?17:05
sarobWait sorry just17:05
dguitarbiteI believe I am the lead17:05
sarobDguitarbite17:05
dguitarbitesorry my bad17:05
sarobNope I'm17:06
sarobStill getting used to change17:06
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sarobDguitarbite your floor17:06
dguitarbiteyep17:06
dguitarbitewell, I guess we could not work at all because the repo folder is frozen17:06
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dguitarbitestill working on labs and install guide scetion17:07
dguitarbite*section17:07
sarobannegentle responded to the thread17:07
dguitarbitebut could not push any changes at al17:07
dguitarbitel17:07
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sarobSo I'm hoping to get the stackforge patch through today17:08
rluethithat one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96334/17:08
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sarobFirst patch will be to move the training content17:08
sarobYup that one17:08
dguitarbitekool17:08
sarobI have asked annegentle to add to the review17:09
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dguitarbitenice17:09
dguitarbitedo you need +1's there?17:09
sarobFeel free to add to the review17:10
dguitarbitekool17:10
sarobRemember this is new ground17:10
sarobSo infra is a bit wary17:10
sarobUnderstandable17:10
dguitarbiteyes, I can understand17:10
dguitarbitewe may touch 3-4 projects atleast for the testing part17:11
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dguitarbiteas we need to validate shell scripts, puppet/python (in near future)17:11
dguitarbiten xml17:11
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dguitarbitemay be even vagrant, etc.17:11
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sarobRight17:11
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sarobYou think we should just use the same tests for our repo?17:12
sarobTo start17:12
rluethiFor the manuals, it would make sense. For code, openstack-manuals didn't have much.17:13
dguitarbiteyep17:13
dguitarbiteI think we can even plan to update the test-cases for other repos to tweak n add our bits in there17:14
dguitarbiteif required17:14
dguitarbitedont need to re-invent the wheel, and also overburden our tiny set of contributors17:14
sarobGo ahead and add in plans to stable subsection of the wiki17:14
dguitarbiterluethi: its totally up to us now, how to design n implement n stuff17:15
sarobIt's your part17:15
rluethiTesting in other projects is very much focused on Python. A bit sphinx, docbook, too.17:15
rluethidevstack has still an open bug to use the bash8 package.17:15
dguitarbiterluethi: yeah, devstack's coming up with bash817:15
dguitarbitewe can re-use and help them build that17:15
dguitarbitealong side17:15
dguitarbitewhat do you think?17:15
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dguitarbite*along with our usecases17:16
rluethiI think we should use the opportunity to try something in our repo. Then we can offer it to others.17:16
rluethiUnless they are faster, then we copy them.17:16
rluethiSeems unlikely right now.17:16
rluethihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/132053517:17
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1320535 in devstack "DevStack should use new bash8 pypi package" [Undecided,New]17:17
dguitarbiterluethi: if they are faster, I suggest that we should use their stuff instead of copying17:17
sarob#action infra team to explore new tests17:17
dguitarbiteotherwise, I agree17:17
rluethiwith copying, I mean tox.ini or whatever will be used.17:17
dguitarbitesure17:17
sarob#action sarob move over content to stackforge training-guides repo17:17
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sarobSo blueprints17:18
sarobAnd spec17:18
sarobI'd like to stop using trello17:18
sarobAnd start using spec and blueprints17:18
dguitarbite#action dguitarbite update training-manuals wiki with the recent changes, sub-groups and their leads17:18
dguitarbitesorry, continue17:19
dguitarbite+117:19
sarobWiki mostly updated, but have at it17:19
sarobnp17:19
dguitarbiteok17:19
matjazpsarob: agree17:19
dguitarbitesarob: agree17:19
sarobCool17:19
rluethisarob: agree17:20
sarob#action sarob will create spec subdir17:20
sarob#action training team will start following the spec to blueprints process17:20
sarob#action trello use will be discontinued17:21
sarobReady to move on to testing?17:21
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matjazpsarob: change should be announced to others on Trello17:21
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sarobAgreed17:22
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dguitarbitematjazp: +117:22
sarob#action sarob will announced trello discontinue on docs ML and trello17:22
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matjazptesting: I've been wondering...how is our testing connected to openstack certifications? no connection?17:23
sarob#topic testing update17:23
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sarobHmm, good question17:23
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sarobRight now it's not17:23
matjazpbut we want it to be?17:23
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sarobSince I'm on the board, I need to tread lightly here17:24
dguitarbitematjazp: we may use those tests for providing certificates in future17:25
dguitarbitematjazp: not sure as of now, but theres a good chance in future17:25
sarobMark collier is developing the foundation plan17:25
matjazpsarob: how far are they17:25
sarobIt would be great if our work helped that effort17:25
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sarobI can ask him to join us next week and discuss17:25
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dguitarbitesarob: ok, we might be able to contribute a few ideas17:26
sarob#action sarob invite mark collier to next meeting to discuss status of foundation training certification17:26
matjazpsarob: sure... but generally speaking... nothing is decided jet about it, right? not even if there will be certifications?17:26
sarobMatjazp probably so17:27
sarobMatjazp haven't discussed for about month17:27
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sarobanything else?17:28
rluethirelated to testing?17:28
matjazpnope17:28
dguitarbitewell, we need a party this summit17:28
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dguitarbitesarob: what do you say?17:29
sarobumm17:29
sarobAnything more about testing?17:29
rluethino. but something else.17:29
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sarobMatjazp can you update the state and plans for the testing subgroup?17:30
sarobOn the wiki17:30
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matjazpsarob: ok.. will do17:31
sarob#action dguitarbite update wiki stable state and plans17:31
sarob#action matjazp update wiki testing state and plans17:32
sarob#topic development update17:32
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sarobI have a couple of people from comcast17:33
sarobJoining17:33
sarobUs17:33
dguitarbitesarob: sounds really good17:33
sarobI'm starting to train them today17:33
sarobIntel is slowly coming around17:33
sarobIt probably will be two weeks before I get a name17:34
sarobRedhat, hp, and Rackspace are maybes17:34
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dguitarbitewell, good enough time for us to get comfy on new ground17:34
sarobOne step at a time17:34
sarobTrue17:34
sarobI'm itching to get Dev guide going but the incubation work is priority17:35
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sarob#info comcast new devs being trained this week. They will join the meeting next week.17:36
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sarob#topic infrastructure update17:37
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dguitarbiterepo folder locked down, could not get any code pushed, rluethi has done some work on training-labs17:38
rluethiso far, scripts used VirtualBox guest additions for installation.17:38
dguitarbitewe will push it as soon as we get access to the new repo on stackforge (or where ever it will be placed)17:38
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sarobI moved one blueprint to training-guides17:38
rluethithat is necessary on windows;17:38
sarobOther I left under devstack17:38
dguitarbitesarob: which one?17:38
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dguitarbitetraining-labs?17:38
sarobYup, from docs17:39
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sarobJust organizing17:39
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dguitarbitesarob: yeah, that time training-labs was incubated. Thanks for moving it17:39
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sarobnp17:39
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dguitarbitesarob: have another question ... any ground rules for the new repository?17:41
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sarob#action rluethi, dguitarbite update wiki infra section17:42
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sarobDguitarbite like what?17:42
dguitarbitelike, as core-reviewers17:43
dguitarbiteany specific guidelines17:43
dguitarbiteor we gotta design that too?17:43
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sarobYeah, our repo, our rules17:44
sarobI'd say each lead as core reviewer to start17:44
sarobAdding Colin as core reviewer17:45
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dguitarbiteyep17:45
sarobCore reviewers get notified of each patch17:45
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rluethihow do we coordinate? especially in the beginning, a weekly IRC meeting will not be enough. ML?17:46
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sarobI'd like to use docs ML for now17:46
rluethisarob: ok17:46
sarobWe can breakout if we create too much noise17:46
dguitarbitesarob: can we host our own IRC channel?17:46
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annegentle_hi sarob dguitarbite rluethi catching up17:47
rluethihey!17:47
sarob#openstack-training-guides channel, same as repo sounds good17:47
annegentle_dguitarbite: yep, you just patch one of the openstack-infra repos to get your own irc channel17:47
dguitarbiteannegentle_: hello17:48
annegentle_sarob: I wrote back on the review and mailing list threads17:48
dguitarbiteannegentle_: sure thing17:48
annegentle_and agreed on using the openstack-docs ML17:48
sarobannegentle_ got it thx17:48
annegentle_I think there's plenty of crossover interests17:48
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annegentle_any questions feel free to ask17:48
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rluethiOne concern I have: how much are the scripts supposed to be training material?17:49
sarob#action training infra team patch Openstack infra for creating, logging channel #openstack-training-guides17:49
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rluethiThe doc team doesn't like manuals that use non-core tools (i.e. debian's preseed).17:50
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rluethibut if we use devstack, that's pretty much what we're doing.17:50
sarobdguitarbite have you17:50
rluethithe scripts will install, but they won't be readable.17:50
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annegentle_rluethi: thinking17:50
sarobdguitarbite znc before?17:50
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annegentle_rluethi: I think the idea of having scripts for anyone to set up a training labs is flat-out awesome.17:51
annegentle_rluethi: but other training groups haven't used devstack17:51
dguitarbiteznc?17:51
annegentle_and I'm not entirely sure why17:51
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sarobdguitarbite irc bouncer17:51
matjazprluethi: but scripts can be manuals too... I sometimes read devstack :)17:51
annegentle_matjazp: for sure17:51
rluethidevstack is hard to read for the uninitiated.17:52
sarobdguitarbite I'd like to make required for core reviewers17:52
annegentle_rluethi: I think that at Rackspace the "all in one" nature of devstack made it not realistic enough17:52
rluethithey have generic commands like install_package.17:52
annegentle_rluethi: so I'd lean towards more realistic labs17:52
dguitarbitesarob: sure thing17:52
dguitarbitesarob: action?17:52
sarobdguitarbite you want to take on setting it up?17:53
dguitarbitesarob: yep17:53
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dguitarbiteannegentle_: one doubt, is it worthwhile getting devstack tuned to our requirements or just keep our scripts ready to be used?17:53
rluethiwe are using some of devstack's functions already, but the question is, how far do we want to go?17:53
dguitarbite*keep separate copy of our scripts17:53
sarob#action infra team set irc bouncer znc for the training team whole17:53
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sarob#action training team core reviewers need to use irc bouncer17:54
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sarobTime check17:54
sarobyou guys keep discussing17:55
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dguitarbiteok17:55
sarobWe will need to move it to the docs channel17:55
sarob#topic any other business17:56
annegentle_dguitarbite: hm, good question17:56
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annegentle_We can keep chatting in openstack-doc17:56
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matjazpI'll have to go guys... see you next week... just update wiki with stuff that you decide, and I'll read it later17:57
dguitarbitematjazp: see ya17:57
rluethibye17:57
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sarobDguitarbite annegentle_ why don't we just use #openstack-docs instead of creating a new training channel?17:57
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sarobmatjazp see you later17:58
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sarobI'd rather keep the docs team in the loop the maximum amount17:58
dguitarbitesarob: lets conti. on docs channel17:59
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annegentle_sarob: you sure could17:59
sarobUntil we become too noisy17:59
annegentle_sarob: yah17:59
sarobCool17:59
sarob#action rescind new channel action above18:00
sarobDone18:00
sarobAnd done18:00
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sarobGood meet18:00
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sarobTraining out18:00
sarob#endmeeting18:00
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anteaya#startmeeting third-party18:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun  9 18:01:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'third_party'18:01
anteayawho is here for the third-party meeting?18:01
SergeyLukjanovo/18:01
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ArxCruzo/18:01
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anteayathat's a start18:01
anteayathanks for being here18:01
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anteaya#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#Agenda_for_next_meeting18:01
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anteayahere is our agenda for today18:02
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anteaya#topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission18:02
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anteayaso welcome18:02
anteayathanks for being here18:02
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anteaya#link The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable.18:02
anteayathe openstack misison, in case you forgot or are new18:02
anteaya#topic  Review of previous week's open action items18:03
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anteayawe had no open action items for last week18:03
anteayaonward18:03
anteaya#topic Announcements18:03
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swestono/18:04
anteayathird party documentation is here: Documentation:  #link http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html18:04
anteayaand we have a new section on getting non-voting systems voting18:04
mesteryo/18:05
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anteayathis will become a staple as new folks integrate with our communication system #info How To Ask Questions The Smart Way: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html18:05
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anteayaand I am working though items on this etherpad: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-infra-improving-3rd-party-testing18:06
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anteayaand one of them is about name formating18:06
anteayaI am working on standardizing name formatting for third party accounts: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/automated-gerrit-account-naming-format18:06
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anteayacurrently the format guidelines are as follows:18:07
anteayaCi if it votes or ever might in the future, Bot if it will never ever vote18:07
anteayaFormat:18:07
anteaya    username --> lowercase, hyphens between words, matches Full Name, -ci or -bot at the end18:07
anteaya    Full Name --> capitalize, upper(minimal) and lowercase, matches username, CI, -CI, -ci or Bot, -Bot, -bot at the end18:07
anteaya    {company name}-{thing it is testing}-{ci|bot}18:07
anteaya    remove test, testing, jenkins, openstack, tempest, user from the names18:07
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anteayawe have an infra meeting tomorrow and I will get more feedback on these guidelines and then they will be published18:07
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anteayabut that is where they are right now, in draft form18:07
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anteayaany other announcements?18:08
anteayamoving on18:08
anteaya#topic OpenStack Program items18:08
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anteayaanyone have any items from an openstack program?18:08
anteayamestery: anything from neutron this week?18:08
anteayaI'll go with no18:09
anteayaand move on18:09
anteaya#topic  Deadlines & Deprecations18:09
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anteayaany deadlines or code heading for deprecation that we need to talk about this week?18:09
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anteayaokay18:10
anteaya#topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account18:10
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anteayaany third party accounts want or need to discuss anything about their account?18:10
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swestonyes18:11
anteayasweston, you have the floor18:11
swestonwhat is the recommendation for multiple ci accounts in an organization?18:11
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anteayathat depends on what you are doing18:11
anteayavmware has one account, minesweeper that does both nova and neutron and it seems to work for them18:12
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anteayasalv-orlando: ping18:12
swestonok18:12
anteayait depends on how you want it to return results and how many projects you intend on testing18:12
swestonmaybe we can discuss more later18:13
anteayafrom a third-party account admin perspective, I would love it if all companies had one per company and then I knew who to ping for each company18:13
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anteayabut that doesn't tend to be how companies want to do it from their side18:13
anteayawell we have 47 minutes left in the meeting18:13
swestonthat would be optimal18:13
ArxCruzIBM have the PowerKVM account who test openstack in general running in power, as well as another who test only openstack in db218:13
anteayaand hopefully others will read the logs, so it would be good to discuss now18:13
swestonok, then we can discuss now, yay!!18:14
anteayayes18:14
anteayasweston: you are brocade, if I remember correctly18:14
anteayayes?18:14
swestonso, we have multiple projects we would like to upstream18:14
swestonyes18:14
anteayagreat18:14
anteayaI remember talking to a brocade person at the summit18:14
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anteayaand told them that for my purposes, it would be optimal to have you, sweston, as point person for all the brocade accounts18:15
swestonyup, I wasn't able to make it because of another project18:15
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anteayaand then you and I can talk and you can ensure internally brocade is doing "the right thing"18:15
anteayaunderstood18:15
mesteryannegentle_: Nothing from Neutron (apologies for the delayed reply)18:15
anteayabut that conversation happened18:15
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anteayamestery: np, figured you had shown up and gotten pulled off on something else18:16
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swestonare there other companies contributing multiple projects with only one gerrit account?18:16
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anteayasweston: so yeah, if you are able to be brocade third-party account manager, that would be way easier for me, even if you do keep all three brocade accounts18:16
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anteayasweston: ahhhh18:17
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* anteaya looks at list18:17
swestonhehe18:17
anteayasmokestack18:17
swestonYes, I will be third-party account manager18:17
swestonfor Brocade18:17
ArxCruzsweston: yes, PowerKVM is testing multiple projects18:17
anteayayay!!18:17
anteayathanks so much18:17
anteayasmokestack tests many different projects18:17
sweston:-)18:18
swestonso what is the difference18:18
swestonbetween running smokestack and setting up your own ci18:18
anteayasmokestack is dprince's ci18:18
anteayahe decides what smokestack tests18:18
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anteayathe code is up somewhere18:19
* anteaya looks18:19
swestonso for a reference implementation18:19
swestonthat might be a place to start?18:19
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swestonor even recommend18:19
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anteayasweston: it is used on our pages as an example of how to set up a third party ci18:20
swestonunderstood18:20
anteayabut I would suggest a workflow more along the lines of what we are currently using in openstack-infra now18:21
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anteayaare you testing propriatry code or just hardware?18:21
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anteayaor should I say propriatry hardware or just code18:21
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dprincesweston: probably not recommended unless you like Ruby, it evolved into what was the first example of 3rd party testing in OpenStack and there are now many other examples of how to do that too18:22
swestonok, just want to verify that I am on the right track, am using the infra manifests18:22
anteayasweston: yes that is probably a good place to start18:22
anteayadprince: everywhere, all the time :D18:22
swestondprince: understood, I do like ruby18:22
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swestonso moving on to next question18:23
ArxCruzsweston: Our CI is very based on openstack ci, even the puppet files we use are based on openstack ones18:23
ArxCruzI can give you some tips18:23
swestonArxCruz: ok, thank you :-)18:23
ArxCruzright now we have zuul, nodepool, jenkins, and even puppetboard running in our infra18:23
ArxCruzjust like upstream18:24
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ArxCruzour plans is to increase this to use logstash and other cool stuff18:24
swestonthere are two ways to configure the communication between Gerrit and Jenkins, correct?18:24
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swestonthe jenkins gerrit trigger, and zuul18:25
ArxCruzsweston: I use what upstream use, in this case zuul - gearman - jenkins18:25
swestonare those two methods exclusive?18:25
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swestonArxCruz: ok, gotcha.18:25
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ArxCruzjenkins have a gearman-job-plugin who connects to gearman18:26
ArxCruzso the communication is jenkins <-> gearman-job-plugin <-> gearman <-> zuul18:26
ArxCruzand zuul from and to gerrit18:26
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bookwarsweston: there are certain limitations when using jenkins with gerrit trigger plugin directly. No support for recheck for example18:27
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bookwarzuul is more powerfull18:27
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swestonbookwar: thank you :-) was just going to ask about the differences18:28
bookwarsweston: our ci is rather small thus we use simplified setup, but we already plan to move to zuul in next month or so because of better scheduling and features18:29
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swestonanteaya: no proprietary hardware or code, AFAIK but I will need to check on a few things before making that official18:29
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anteayasweston: if you have no proprietary hardware or code, why do you want to do third-party testing?18:29
anteayasweston: what would you be testing?18:29
swestonwell, we have the vyatta plugin18:30
anteayasweston: what is that?18:30
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swestonand we have adx18:30
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swestonvyatta is a virtual router, and adx virtual switch18:30
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anteayaand brocade owns those?18:31
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swestonexcuse me, adx is a hardware switch18:31
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swestonyes, Brocade owns them18:31
anteayais adx an opensource switch?18:31
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swestonno18:32
anteayaokay so you have propriatary hardware, adx18:32
anteayaare you going to opensource the code for vyatta?18:32
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swestonok18:32
anteayaso you have propriatary code and hardware both18:33
swestonanteaya: I need to check on Vyatta, there are licenses18:33
anteayaso you are opensourcing the hooks to use the code18:33
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swestonyes18:33
anteayasince it is the hooks that will be opensource and you intend to merge them into openstack18:33
anteayaright?18:33
swestonyes18:33
anteayagreat18:33
swestonsorry ... I know that was a long walk for a short drink of water :-)18:34
anteayaso you use our test suite to test your hooks with the propriatary stuff18:34
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anteayathis is the third-party space, every conversation is a long walk for a short drink of water18:34
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swestonhehe18:34
swestonneed a workflow18:34
anteayaright18:35
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anteayatalk with ArxCruz and bookwar18:35
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anteayaget a jenkins listening to the gerrit stream with a gerrit plugin to start18:35
swestonyes, own test suites18:35
anteayacomment on the sandbox repo, test > make mistakes > ask questions18:35
swestonalready have done that ...18:36
anteayaonce your jenkins is working with the gerrit plugin, move to zuul and friends18:36
anteayagreat18:36
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swestonnow doing ci "for realsies"18:36
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anteayado you have zuul set up?18:36
swestonbut want to get the implementation right the first time18:36
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anteayastable logs, recheck capability18:36
swestonI have zuul bootstrapped with puppet18:37
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anteayayes, that is what the sandbox is for18:37
swestonhaven't started on configuring it yet18:37
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anteayalet's see some comments on sandbox patches this week18:37
anteayaokay, so do that and ask questions in infra18:37
ArxCruzzuul is easy to configure to not report18:37
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anteayamake sure you are only commenting once per patchset18:37
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anteayaget rid of the comment "staring jobs"18:38
anteayadon't post that18:38
swestonok18:38
anteayathe post on the sandbox, ping me and we will go over it18:38
anteayaping ArxCruz and bookwar ask questions18:38
ArxCruz=]18:38
anteayawe will let you know if you are ready to comment on projects18:39
roeycsweston, our setup includes Zuul and Jenkins and using JJB, I can also assist you18:39
swestonok, need to set some realistic expectations, for us and others18:39
anteayayou won't be to start, start on the sandbox18:39
anteayasweston: yes18:39
swestonroeyc: ok18:39
anteayagreat, thanks roeyc18:39
anteayaroeyc: which system is yours?18:39
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swestonhow much time should I give as an eta for when we can vote?18:39
anteayanone18:39
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anteayayou don't know yet, since you have nothing to show us on the sandbox repo18:40
roeycMellanox18:40
anteayaI haven't seen the state of your logs, links, comment message, nothing18:40
swestonok18:40
anteayaget me that and we can start setting timelines, in collaboration with the ptls of the projects you want to test18:40
anteayasweston: tesing more than neutron?18:41
anteayaroeyc: awesome18:41
swestonnot right now, no18:41
swestonawesome, thank you, everyone for the information and helpful advice :-)18:41
bookwarroeyc: hi, from Mirantis Fuel project, by the way :)18:41
anteayasweston: okay so once you have some testing to show me on sandbox, we will chat with mestery to see what he wants to see18:41
roeycbookwar: Hi :-)18:42
anteayasweston: thanks for using this space the way I had hoped it would be used18:42
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anteayaroeyc: I'm going to have to stick CI on the end of your name, Mellanox CI18:42
anteayaroeyc: to fit with the new naming format18:42
swestonanteaya: Yay!! You're welcome :-)18:42
anteayasweston: :D18:42
anteayaso anymore gerrit account discussion?18:43
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luqasanteaya: fast status18:43
swestonnot from me, all questions answered18:43
luqassorry I was late18:43
roeycanteaya: Cool18:43
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anteayaluqas: np, let's hear from you18:43
anteayaroeyc: thanks18:43
luqaswell we fix our CI18:43
anteayasweston: great18:43
luqasit s still based on gerrit plugin18:43
anteayaluqas: glad to hear those words18:43
anteayacan you share what was wrong?18:44
luqasbut tests neutron master correctly18:44
anteayait might help someone else18:44
luqasour plugin wasn't stacking correctly with the master branch of neutron18:44
luqason devstack18:44
anteayadid you find out why?18:44
luqasmmm my colleague tomoe was with that...18:45
anteayaluqas is midokura18:45
luqasguess several things18:45
anteayago ahead18:45
luqaswell basically we are reporting legitimate failures18:45
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luqaswe still need to add some logs, and more tests of the suite18:46
luqasand the recheck capability18:46
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luqasbut I guess this is zuul18:46
luqaswhich will be our next step18:46
anteayaokay great18:46
anteayagood work and thanks for the update on your status18:47
luqasanteaya: you're welcome!18:47
anteaya:D18:47
anteayaanyone else?18:47
anteayaI'm going to change the topic to open discussion for the rest of the meeting18:47
anteaya#topic Open Discussion18:48
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anteayaso now we can discuss anything related to third-party18:48
anteayadoes anyone have anything that want to talk about?18:48
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bookwaranteaya: are there any updates about account wiki pages?18:48
swestonyup18:48
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anteayabookwar: this week I am going to create two seed pages, one for gerrit accounts and one for openstack programs18:49
swestonwhen is the latest that our system can be up and still be able to submit code to be included in Juno18:49
anteayaif they pass review at tomorrow's infra meeting, I do believe I will be given permission to start informing people18:49
bookwaranteaya: cool, thanks18:49
anteayaI think I would like to start populating a few in coordination with others until we have a few good examples18:50
anteayaand then announce to others18:50
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anteayabookwar: if you would like to be one of the examples that is great, I will ping you after tomorrow's meeting and we can talk18:50
anteayabookwar: is that fair?18:50
bookwaranteaya: yes, i'd be glad to help, so ping me if needed18:50
anteayabookwar: great thanks18:50
anteayasweston: that is a question that is project specific18:51
anteayaso if you are gearing this question for neutron, we need to hear from mestery18:51
anteayaif he is still here18:51
swestonanteaya: ok18:51
mesteryanteaya: Sorry, I am back now, juggling a few too many things, apologies :(18:51
anteayaif not, the neutron meeting is in an hour or two, get on the agenda18:51
mesteryWhat can I help with?18:51
swestonI don't need an answer right now, but will need to have the discussion soon18:51
anteayagreat, so what are sweston's deadlines fo third party if he wants code in juno?18:52
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mesteryWe just require the system to be voting correctly on the driver/plugin before it can be merged.18:52
mesteryThat's what we've done so far.18:52
anteayamestery: what is a realistic timeframe for includsion in juno18:52
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anteayayou want them commenting for 2-3 weeks before they are voting, correct?18:53
mesteryJuno-2 would be the place to shoot for, after that FPF happens very fast.18:53
swestonmestery: optimally how much time would you like for review18:53
anteayaright18:53
mesteryCorrect18:53
mestery2-3 weeks.18:53
mesterySo, Juno-2 would be the ideal deadline18:53
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anteayaso ensure your system is stable by mid j-2, to enable you to be voting by j-218:53
anteayaand j-1 is in 3 days18:53
mestery:)18:54
anteayaso you have about 3 weeks to get stable, sweston18:54
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anteayaso that is your system up and running, stable18:54
swestonanteaya: ok18:54
anteayastable logs, comments, gerrit history18:54
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anteayaso you need zuul up and running by the end of this week18:54
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anteayaor a running zuul for every gerrit account18:55
swestonanteaya: ok18:55
anteayathat gives you two weeks to figure out how to keep it running while figuring out the rest18:55
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swestonanteaya:  gotcha, thank you so much for the wonderful guidance and advice18:56
anteayasweston: you ask good questions?18:56
anteayas/?/!18:56
anteayaanything else for open discussion?18:56
sweston:-D18:56
luqasanteaya: so without zuul CI is not valid?18:56
anteayaluqas: that is an incorrect statement18:56
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anteayaas long as the tests are running and we have logs the CI is valid18:57
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luqasanteaya: I mean, without recheck capability18:57
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anteayahaving recheck is one of our requirements18:57
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luqasI know18:57
anteayaso I would aim for having recheck ability18:57
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luqasanteaya: ok, just to be sure18:58
anteayawe are in j-118:58
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anteayaso the conversation in j-1 is to aim for it and ask questions if you are having problems18:58
anteayaluqas: make sense?18:59
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luqasanteaya: completely18:59
anteayathanks18:59
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anteayaso it looks like we are done18:59
roeycanteaya: Can you please point me to where I can create a wiki page for our CI ?18:59
swestonthanks again, everyone for your time18:59
anteayaroeyc: can I table that until next week?18:59
anteayaroeyc: I will have a really good answer next week for that question19:00
anteayaand a poor answer today19:00
roeycok19:00
anteayathanks19:00
anteayawe are out of time19:00
anteayathanks everyone for a great meeting19:00
anteaya#endmeeting19:00
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devanandahi! who's here for the ironic meeting?19:01
NobodyCamo/19:01
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iron1iron119:01
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jroll\o19:01
devananda#startmeeting ironic19:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun  9 19:01:36 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic'19:01
adam_go/19:01
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devananda#chair NobodyCam19:02
openstackCurrent chairs: NobodyCam devananda19:02
NobodyCam:)19:02
devananda#topic announcements19:02
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devanandahi all!19:02
matty_dubso/19:02
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devanandaas usual, the agenda can be found here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic19:02
NobodyCamwhat a week!19:02
linggaoo/19:02
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devanandabiggest item is probably the current status19:02
lucasagomesNobodyCam, +1 heh19:02
devanandaWe weren't able to land any patches last week, and in fact we haven't had any commits merge in 10 days!19:02
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devanandalast week's issues were due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/132628919:03
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1326289 in nova "Failing to launch instances : Filter ComputeCapabilitiesFilter returned 0 hosts" [Critical,Fix committed]19:03
devanandaThe fix for that (reverting the relevant nova change) landed this morning. We should be able to start approving patches again.19:03
NobodyCamwoo hoo!19:03
NobodyCamgreat job babysitting the landing of that btw19:03
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devanandahowever, the openstack gate is still having some issues -- it seems better than last week, but not great yet19:03
Shrewsdevananda: but *should* you be approving patches? haven't seen anything from sdague saying "go for it"19:03
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JayFI approved an IPA patch earlier today and it already made it through the gate. Looking at status.openstack.org/zuul it seems to be OK in a generic sense to approve patches. IDK about Ironic-proper though.19:04
adam_gis there a plan for how we are going to deal with this once those nova changes merge again?19:04
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devanandaJayF: because IPA isn't co-gated with anything19:05
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devanandaJayF: which is because it's not beign tested with tempest/devstack/etc19:05
JayFyet :(19:05
devanandaadam_g: roughly - yes, but nothing's formal afaik19:05
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devanandaadam_g: my rough plan is: land the nova cchange w/o changing the signature of HostState.__init__, in a backwards-compatible way19:06
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adam_gi suppose when the gate is better shape it will be easier to coordinate19:06
adam_gcool19:07
devananda#action devananda to draft plan to re-land commit ce3f9e5fa9cd05f3ee3bb0cc7d06521d05901cf4 in a non-breaking way19:07
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devanandawe should be good to recehck things as needed now, and we should be able to trust Jenkins' votes again19:07
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devanandathat's it for the big status thing19:08
devananda#topic release cycle progress report19:08
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devanandaJ1 milestone is this week ...19:08
devanandagiven that we have a lot of the refactoring and fixes we discussed at the summit *in flight* right now19:08
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devanandait'd be great if we get those in ... but given the status of the gate, i'm not so sure19:09
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devanandai have some ideas. anyone else want to jump in, feel free19:09
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rloodevananda: J1 milestone is June 12. Don't they cut it two days before? So June 10? (tomorrow)19:10
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devanandarloo: releases are being handled slightly differently this cycle. rather than cutting a branch, i'll just tell ttx what git SHA to use from master19:10
NobodyCamare things stable enough to cut a release?19:10
rloodevananda: great. that buys us some more time.19:11
devanandarloo: and we have some leeway. Thursday would be best, but if it slips to next Monday, it's nto the end of the world19:11
devanandaif we can, I think it would be great to do some quick reviewing of the backlog, rebase a bunch of really-nice-to-have cleanup and bug fixes, then push them through today and tomorrow (assuming the gate lets us land anything)19:12
NobodyCam+119:13
devanandacause we have a lot of high-priority bug fixes with patches up right now19:13
lucasagomes+1, if gate gets better tomorrow we may want to have a review jam or something? to land things quickly19:13
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jrollI'm in for a review jam19:13
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NobodyCamI too am up for jam19:14
devanandagreat, thanks19:14
devananda#info review jam tomorrow (Tuesday PST morning / GMT afternoon)19:14
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jrolldevananda: can we try to make that post-9am? :)19:15
devanandalucasagomes: anything you'd like to add on the overall code cleanup progress?19:15
jroll(PST)19:15
devanandajroll: nope19:15
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lucasagomesdevananda, due the gate problems, we still waiting for the tempest and devstack patches to land19:15
lucasagomesboth has a +219:15
devanandajroll: show up when you can -- i'll try to start at 6am myself19:15
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jrollwhoaaaaaa19:15
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devanandajroll: which isn't exactly normal, but neither is the current situation :)19:15
jrollI can do that, but whoa.19:15
JoshNangthat's some dedication19:15
jroll:)19:15
NobodyCami will try for 6 am19:16
lucasagomesthere's some discussion going on on the tempest patch right now, but I hope toget both of then in this week19:16
jrolltotally fair dude, I'll shoot for 6am, may be 6:30 or so19:16
linggaodevananda, is review jam using this IRC channel?19:16
devanandalinggao: no - we use the normal #openstack-ironic channel19:16
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devanandalucasagomes: anything we can do to help those tempest patches?19:17
linggaook, 6am your time?19:17
lucasagomesdevananda, yes, if you guys could read the discussion and give ur opnion would be useful19:17
lucasagomes#link https://review.openstack.org/9578919:17
lucasagomesthat's the patch19:17
devanandalucasagomes: thanks, will do19:17
devananda#topic subteam: integration testing19:17
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Shrewslucasagomes: good luck getting jenkins to approve them. I can't get my tempest changes past jenkins  :(19:18
devanandanice segway into the next topic :)19:18
lucasagomesShrews, :/19:18
devanandaadam_g: any add'l updates on tempest from last week?19:18
adam_gdevananda, not too much19:18
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adam_gpatches that were up last week still are, for obvious reasons19:19
devanandaright19:19
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devanandalifeless: hi! any updates on tripleo CI for Ironic?19:19
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devanandaok, we can come back to lifeless any time if he's around19:21
devananda#topic subteam: bugs19:21
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devanandadtantsur is on PTO for a few more days IIRC19:21
devanandaI didn't get any summary from him before he left19:21
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lucasagomesI think he's on PTO this week and the next one19:21
NobodyCamyes form what I recall he is out the rest of this week19:21
devanandabut from what I can tell, he's been reviewing all the open bugs, adjusting status19:21
lifelessdevananda: hi19:22
devanandalucasagomes: ah, thanks for the clarification - didn't realize it extended past this week19:22
lifelessdevananda: uhm, no, I'm not driving that, just whinging about it19:22
lucasagomesdevananda, not 100% sure, lemme try to confirm that19:22
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lifelessdevananda: I wish I had time to drive it. check with adam_g and NobodyCam who AFAIK were caring for the failing tripleo-ironic jobs19:22
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lifelessWe might be able to sic pcrews on it too, from the tripleo end19:23
devanandalifeless: ack. your name ended up on that item in our agenda -- adam_g or NobodyCam, either of you want to give updaets on tripleo ci of ironic?19:23
NobodyCamI was unable to get a lot done with the Ci job last week, I should have more time this week19:23
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adam_gthe ironic dsvm jobs *should* be passing now. so any consistent failures should get a bug and we can take a look.19:24
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devanandalifeless, NobodyCam - fwiw, this is also a good time to raise awareness of any particularly large issues that tripleo is hitting with ironic19:24
adam_gim aware of the UCA GPG key error, and will see what infra thinks about caching that stuiff on the precise slave images19:24
lifelessadam_g: not dvsm19:25
lifelessadam_g: *tripleo*.*ironic.*19:25
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NobodyCamadam_g: even undercloud19:25
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adam_goh my bad, i have not been involved there.19:25
adam_gWRT major bugs that have been affecting our tripleO testing, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1320513 is probably the #1 for us right now19:26
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1320513 in ironic "IPMI commands are sent / queried too fast" [High,In progress]19:26
devanandaack. i have a fix proposed for that19:26
lifelessadam_g: check-tripleo-ironic-undercloud-precise19:26
lifelessadam_g: thats the one I handed off my patch about race conditions to you :)19:26
Shrewsfor triple0, this needs approving (just rechecked it): https://review.openstack.org/9649819:26
lifelessadam_g: [you can check your IRC logs :P]19:26
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NobodyCam96558 & 96902 address that19:26
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adam_glifeless, right, the fix of which is still blocked on a refactor.. last week didn't help.19:27
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devanandaShrews: ack. with that many +2's it shouldn't be a problem to land it today (if the gate lets us)19:28
devanandaok, let's move on as there's a few more items to cover19:28
lifelessadam_g: (note that that might not be the cause, or the whole cause, it $whatever - what i needed to handoff was the 'sit on problem job and make damn thing work'19:28
devanandaone quick note on bug triage in general19:28
devanandalet's start using tags to categorize bugs we see19:29
devanandadtantsur proposed the "driver" tag. I'd like to propose a few different ones19:29
devanandaanyone want to discuss those, let's talk after the meeting -- otherwise, I'll just put up a wiki page today19:29
lucasagomesdriver for the nova driver? or drivers in ironic itself (e.g pxe)?19:29
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devanandalucasagomes: eactly. i'd like to clarify that sort of thing19:29
lucasagomesack19:30
NobodyCam+1 to more tags19:30
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devananda#action devananda to write a wiki on bug tags, link from our main wiki19:30
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devananda#topic subteam: IPA19:31
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devanandarussell_h or jroll: either of you have any updates to share?19:31
jrollhi!19:31
jrolljust a couple of things19:31
jroll1) I put up a spec for the agent driver on friday - please review :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98506/19:31
NobodyCam#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98506/19:32
NobodyCam:-p19:32
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devananda#info spec for IPA's driver now available -- please review! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98506/19:32
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jroll2) I've put up a high-level todo list, for the road to getting the agent stuff merged, and beyond: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ipa-todos19:32
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devanandajroll: good stuff19:33
jrollour main goal right now is refactoring the agent driver as stated there19:33
lucasagomesnice19:33
jrollI'd like to land that sometime before the mid-cycle19:33
jrollI think that's it from me19:33
devanandajroll: sort of serious, sort of joking -- does it work now?19:34
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devanandajroll: it would be good to have a walkthrough in that etherpad showing other devs how to replicate/create an env to do a deploy using IPA19:34
jrolldevananda: for some definition of 'work'19:34
jrolldevananda: it's fairly reliable, honestly19:35
JayFjroll: is underselling it19:35
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jrollwe've been testing and things are typically happy19:35
devanandagreat19:35
jrolland yes, docs19:35
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NobodyCamjroll: I have not looked, (and may have already asked) is there a DIB element for Ironic-IPA19:35
JayFjroll: russell_h: is dwalleck still working on tempest for ipa?19:35
devanandai'd like to also see a list of known missing things (after all, that's part of the plan)19:35
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jrollNobodyCam: not today19:36
devanandajroll: by "missing" i mean compared to the PXE driver. I know ya'll have a lot more stuff planned that PXE wont do19:36
JayFNobodyCam: The existing agent image is built using coreos and run in a container. I'll gladly review additions of DIB elements.19:36
jrolldevananda: missing for what? feature parity with pxe?19:36
jrollok19:36
devanandaright19:36
JayFNobodyCam: should be relatively trivial to do, given all the dependencies are documented in the Dockerfile in the root of the repo.19:37
jrolldevananda: my goal is to make that an empty set before landing :)19:37
devanandajroll: ++19:37
NobodyCamack... I can help with dib element, but will nned to get myself up to speed on IPA19:37
devanandajroll: would be good to have that gap outlined upfront, so that folks aren't surprised when reviewing it19:37
jrolldevananda: of course, it's now on my todo list :)19:37
devanandaanything else on IPA?19:38
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jrollI think that's it19:38
devanandagreat, thanks for the updates!19:38
devananda#topic subteam: oslo19:38
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jroll:)19:39
devanandaGheRivero: hi! any updates?19:39
GheRiveronothing new. Like almost every other project, the gate issues blocked it.19:39
GheRiverosome blocker patches were approved for oslo.db, but there are others in the queue19:39
GheRiverothe same for oslo.i18n19:39
devanandaactually I have something to point out - our DB migration code, which is largely based on oslo-incubator's db migration code, is badly broken19:40
devananda#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/036950.html19:40
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devananda* db migration test code, i mean19:40
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devanandatldr; we're not running db migration tests in the check/gate queues currently19:41
devanandaand we shouldn't enable them until this is fixed19:41
lucasagomes:(19:41
lucasagomesyeah19:41
devanandabecause they'll introduce random failures19:41
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devanandaif anyone is familiar with the oslo db migration code and wants to fix it locally -- that'd be best19:41
lucasagomes#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/036950.html19:42
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lucasagomesdevananda email to the mailist ^ there's some info about the currently situation of the migration scripts19:42
lifelessso19:42
lifelessdevananda: let me check my understanding19:43
lifelessdevananda: there is a single DB server - mysql/whatever19:43
lifelessdevananda: and multiple tests that can affect the schema on it, and they run concurrently?19:43
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devanandalifeless: in one configuration, yes.19:43
lifelessdevananda: which configuration is that?19:43
devanandalifeless: the one that is currently being used by oslo-incubator and ironic19:44
lifelessdevananda: so the situation as I described it is the situation today?19:44
lifelessif those tests were enabled19:44
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devanandalifeless: i haven't looked at oslo.db, it may not be affected. nova is nto affected, because it's using older code (pre-oslo-incubator DB migration code)19:44
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lifelessdevananda: do our other tests depend on that DB and schema? Or is this isolated to a small set of our tests?19:45
devanandalifeless: I believe it affects all our unit tests which use the DB (they share a single DB schema currently, AFAIUI)19:45
devanandalifeless: but I haven't looked at /that/ aspect yet19:46
lifelessdevananda: let me rephrase; do many of our unit tests use the DB, or is it mocked out for most of them ?19:46
devanandalifeless: not sure at the moment. that email was only referring to migration tests19:46
lifelessyeah19:46
lifelessok so we can take this to the main channel19:46
lifelessbut I have a few suggestions19:46
devanandaright, i have some too19:47
lifelessgood :)19:47
lifelesssuggestions at dawn, on the commons19:47
devanandai was mentioning it to draw attention to the fact that we're running db migration tests right now -- and we shouldn't just start running that test, cause it'll break19:47
devanandacool. moving on :)19:47
devananda#topic open discussion19:47
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devananda12 minutes left! we're doign great today :)19:48
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lucasagomesdevananda, what we are expecting to be covered on the mid-cycle with nova?19:48
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lucasagomesdevananda, mostly about the nova ironic driver and the path to get it in?19:48
devanandaoh! gah! of course  Ishould have announced that19:48
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devananda#info mid-cycle announced: details here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/BeavertonJunoSprint19:49
devanandalucasagomes: so we're co*located* with nova, but not having a joint summit19:49
devanandawe'll be mostly doing our own thing in a separate room19:49
devanandawith easy access back and forth, and probably daily meetings with them19:50
devanandato sort out landing the nova driver19:50
lucasagomesright19:50
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devanandalucasagomes: so we should have our own agenda19:50
devanandaI've put some ideas in this etherpad19:50
devananda#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-ironic-sprint19:50
lucasagomes+1, wil take a look and put some ideas as well19:51
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devanandaaside from the nova driver and IPA, I think it's too early to know what code we'll all be hacking on at that point19:52
ShrewsIf the Triple0 is the week before, does anyone plan to attend?19:52
devanandaShrews: I'll probably be at TripleO as well19:53
Shrewsdevananda: cool. i might have to attend part of that one instead  :(19:53
devanandalifeless: any thoughts on when you expect to have confirmation of the tripleo dates?19:53
devanandaShrews: noooo19:53
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lifelessdevananda: today I hope19:55
devanandalifeless: ack19:55
devanandaif there's nothing else, let's end a few minutes early19:55
jroll\o/19:56
NobodyCamwow19:56
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NobodyCam:)19:56
NobodyCamThank you all19:56
devanandathanks!19:57
devananda#endmeeting19:57
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mesteryHi Neutron folks!20:58
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regXboimestery: yo20:59
banixmestery: hi there!20:59
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* mestery waits for a quorum to naturally develop.20:59
yamamotohi20:59
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fawadkhaliqhello everyone!20:59
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obondarevo/20:59
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emaganahello!21:00
jlibosvahi21:00
bloganhello21:00
markmcclainhi21:00
HenryGo/21:00
salv-orlandoaloha21:00
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edhallhi21:00
mesterycarl_baldwin rkukura arosen1 amotoki: ping21:00
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pcm__hi21:01
mestery#startmeeting networking21:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun  9 21:01:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking'21:01
shivharishi21:01
mestery#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda21:02
SukhdevHello21:02
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mestery#topic Announcements21:02
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mesteryJuno-1 is this week on Thursday.21:02
mestery#link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-121:02
mesteryWe have merged 6 BPs and tons of bugs. There are few things left which we can merge if the code reviews are good.21:02
rkukurahi21:02
mesterySee the LP page for BPs to prioritize for review this week.21:02
mesteryAny questions on Juno-1?21:03
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emaganaDVR is the most critical, right?21:03
kevinbentonis there an explanation of the signifigance of these particular tags?21:03
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mesteryemagana: Yes, we merged 2 DVR patches, my guess is the rest land in Juno-2.21:04
kevinbentonlike what’s the difference between something landing in Juno-1 vs 2,3, etc21:04
mesterykevinbenton: Just trying to prioritize work, etc.21:04
mesterykevinbenton: Juno-1 items all have BPs which landed for example :)21:04
markmcclainkevinbenton: the milestones are really for planning and synchronization21:04
mesteryNext week I will start going through Juno-2 items and ensure they have BPs filed and tracked in neutron-specs.21:05
mesterymarkmcclain: +121:05
mesteryFor the Juno project plan for Neutron, see here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronJunoProjectPlan21:05
mestery#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronJunoProjectPlan21:05
mesteryAt a high level, that's the community items we're tracking.21:05
mesteryI don't want to derail the meeting on that now, though. Soe questions on that can be handled in Open Discussion :)21:05
mesteryOK, 2 more items for announcements:21:05
kevinbentonthanks21:05
mestery#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-juno-mid-cycle-meeting LBaaS Sprint21:06
mesterythe LBaaS sprint is next week.21:06
mesterymarkmcclain and I will be attending from a core perspective.21:06
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mestery#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-juno-lbaas-mid-cycle Parity Sprint21:06
mesteryAnd the parity sprint is in July.21:06
mesteryFYI.21:06
mesteryOK, moving on to bugs.21:06
mestery#topic Bugs21:06
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mesteryOur top bug this week: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/132573721:06
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1325737 in neutron "Public network connectivity check failed after VM reboot" [High,Confirmed]21:06
mesteryI have triaged this down to likely being a nova issue.21:07
mesterysalv-orlando: We discussed in channel earlier today.21:07
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salv-orlandomestery: weren’t we tracking it with another bug number?21:07
mesteryWhen we hit this issue, the guest appears to be hung, as dumping the console returns no data.21:07
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mesterysalv-orlando: Yes21:08
mesteryone second21:08
mestery#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/132365821:08
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1323658 in nova "SSH EOFError - Public network connectivity check failed" [Undecided,New]21:08
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mesterysalv-orlando: Too many bugs :)21:08
salv-orlandomestery: I don’t want to appear pedant but if we have several bugs open for the same issue people will comment on either of two and we might lose info21:08
mesterysalv-orlando: Agreed.21:08
salv-orlandoI promise to stop my pedantry here for today21:09
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mestery#action mestery to consolidate "ssh timeout" bugs post-meeting.21:09
nati_uenosalv-orlando: That is fuge loss for the community21:09
mesterysalv-orlando: You agree with my assessment of hte bug though?21:09
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salv-orlandomestery: I agree, but still can’t reproduce locally. It seems the instance takes the ip (as shown in syslog)21:10
salv-orlandobug then for some reason either it hungs or the ssh server does not start21:10
mesterysalv-orlando: OK, I'll ping the nova folks to have a look at my analysis as well.21:10
armaxmestery, salv-orlando: I pushed this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98483/21:10
armaxbut the exact failure mode is yet to reproduce21:10
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mesteryarmax: That change actually causes the failure to manifest slighlty differently for me :(21:10
armaxthis bug is a coward :)21:10
mesteryarmax: :)21:10
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mesteryarmax: With that change, infra is trying to save a VM when it fails.21:11
mesteryarmax: I looked at two over the weekend, but couldn't find much useful info :()21:11
salv-orlandoand obviously then there is the other thing about why adding the wait_for_server_active in setup triggers this all over the place21:11
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mesteryIf we hit this again with that patch armax, infra will load your and my ssh key so we can get access. I'll have them ping either of us in #openstack-neutroin, ok?21:11
armaxmestery: ok21:12
mesteryOK, there is one other bug enikanorov wanted me to point out: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/132816221:12
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1328162 in neutron "Tempest fails to delete firewall in 300 seconds" [High,Confirmed]21:12
mesteryThis one is being worked by enikanorov (who couldn't be here), he just wanted it pointed out here as a high priority one.21:12
mesteryAny other bugs the team should be aware of?21:13
SridarKmestery: I am also taking a look at the logs - nothing very conclusive thus far21:13
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mesterySridarK: Thanks! Please sync with enikanorov as well.21:13
SridarKmestery: will keep  in loop21:13
salv-orlandomestery: you put the SELECT FOR UPDATE issue in the agenda21:13
salv-orlandohowever if we start talking about that, it will probably mean the end of the meeting21:13
mesterysalv-orlando: I think it's leftover yet, though I still need to work with jaypipes to document that.21:13
mesterysalv-orlando: Correct. :)21:14
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mesterysalv-orlando: So, lets move on. :)21:14
salv-orlandocan we agree to put an action for me to open a mailing list thread.21:14
mesterysalv-orlando: Absolutely!21:14
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mestery#action salv-orlando to start mailing list thread for "SELECT FOR UPDATE" issue.21:14
mesterysalv-orlando: ^^^ :)21:14
salv-orlandothen rossella_s and the other folks interested in this will chime in21:14
mesteryThanks salv-orlando.21:14
mestery#topic Team Discussion Topics21:14
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salv-orlandoI don’t know if HenryG want also to take ownershp of coordinating this21:14
salv-orlandobut that’s for another day21:14
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mesteryblogan: This is your section. :)21:15
mestery#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/036629.html21:15
mesteryThe LBaaS team had a question for the broader Neutron team.21:15
bloganmestery: thanks21:15
mesteryIt was a ML thread, but they wanted visibility here to discuss.21:15
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mesteryblogan: Can you phrase the questions here?21:15
mestery*question21:15
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bloganbasically its what is the most acceptable strategy for backwards compatibility between the old version of the lbaas api and the new21:16
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marunis the existing lbaas api any different from the test of the api?21:16
bloganone option is to keep one API but any requests that go in the old format get translated to the new API's object model21:16
maruntest -> rest21:17
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bloganmarun: what do you mean by rest of the API? neutron API?21:17
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bloganmarun: or the new API?21:17
blogannew lbaas API21:17
salv-orlandoblogan: is this API still part of the neutron endpoint or is it running in its own endpoint?21:17
blogansalv-orlando: it's still part of neutron api21:17
salv-orlandoblogan: obviously I mean the new lbaas API21:17
markmcclainfor now we'd need to keep same endpoint21:17
marunI mean, don't aren't we mandated to maintain support for an api for at least one cycle following deprecation?21:17
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marundon't ->21:18
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mesterymarun: Yes, we will support the old one per the deprecation guidelines.21:18
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salv-orlandoblogan: can you guarantee there is always a mapping from the old model to the new model?21:18
bloganyes but the question is, since the old API and new API are different, should there be a new load balancing v2 extension and plugin or just keep the old ones that translate the old APIs to the new object model?21:18
marunSo do we really have a choice?21:18
marunThe starting point is defining the new extension api21:19
marunAnd then seeing if mapping the old to the new is possible.21:19
markmcclainI think that translating makes the most sense21:19
regXboimarkmcclain: +121:19
mesteryTranslating means we keep the existing infra as well.21:19
blogansalv-orlando: no I cannot guarantee that since the old API is 1:1 relationships and the new one has M:N and M:1 relationships21:19
markmcclainotherwise deployers will have confusion21:19
mesteryOK, so now that we've raised the issue, can we have interested parties reply to blogan's email?21:19
mesteryI'm afraid this could chew up the rest of the meeting time if we let it here. :)21:20
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bloganmestery: it definitely could21:20
mesterythanks markmcclain.21:20
mesteryblogan: :)21:20
salv-orlandoblogan: but however this means that existing object model is a “subset” of the new one - and therefore everything you were able to create in the old object model could be created as well in the new one?21:20
mesteryblogan: Thanks for joining us, and we'll close on this hopefully this week on the ML.21:20
salv-orlandomestery, blogan: ok, let’s move this to the mailing list.21:21
mesterysalv-orlando: thanks :)21:21
blogansalv-orlando: yes ML, or we can talk after if you want21:21
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mesteryOK, one other item to discuss here, per the agenda: VLAN trunk proposals.21:21
mesterySee the agenda, there are 3 proposals related to this, some in spec form.21:21
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mesteryI think we need to converge these.21:21
mesteryAnd I think we want this feature in Juno, it helps the NFV use case for example.21:21
mesteryComments from other cores?21:22
salv-orlandomestery: I gave my opinion on one of these specs. I need to check what the proposer thought about it...21:22
mesterysalv-orlando: Thank you!21:22
salv-orlandoI understand the use case, but I want this to be achieved without adding concepts as sub-ports21:22
mesterySo, maybe I would propose other cores please review these and lets see if we can collapse them and approve a single spec for Juno yet.21:22
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rkukuramestery: I’ll review these specs21:23
mesterysalv-orlando: I agree with that comment 100%.21:23
mesteryrkukura: Thanks!21:23
markmcclainsalv-orlando: +121:23
marundid we get feedback from geoff arnold as to the survey of changes (from summit session) required for nfv?21:23
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mesterymarun: No, but I can reach out to him.21:23
mesterymarun: There is a weekly NFS meeting now, they are tracking "trunk ports" as a requirement from neutron though.21:23
mestery*NFV21:23
marunmestery: I think it's represented in raw form in the etherpad but hopefully he has more details.21:23
mesterymarun: OK, thanks.21:23
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marunmestery: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/servicevm21:24
marun(at the end)21:24
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mesteryOK, lets move on now, I know HenryG had something he wanted to comment on for the parity section of the agenda, and he had to leave after 30 minutes :)21:24
mestery#topic Nova Parity21:24
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mesterymarkmcclain HenryG: Hi!21:24
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markmcclainhi21:24
HenryGHi21:24
markmcclainso there's a spec available for database migration work21:25
HenryGYes, we have a more-or-less final design proposal which supports a sort of downgrade.21:25
mesteryLink by chance?21:25
HenryG#link https://review.openstack.org/9573821:25
mesterynati_ueno: I think you signed up to review this one, right?21:25
mesterynati_ueno: From a core perspective?21:25
nati_uenomestery: sure21:25
mesterynati_ueno: Awesome!21:26
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mesterymarkmcclain salv-orlando: I assume you both wil lreview this as well?21:26
markmcclainyes21:26
regXboimestery: I put reading it on my list as well, I've got some scars from this in my past21:26
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mesterymarkmcclain regXboi: Thanks!21:26
mesteryWe have good core coverage on this one then, which is great.21:26
salv-orlandomestery: sure21:26
mesteryLets see if we can converge on the spec and merge it so work can move forward!21:27
mesteryHenryG: Thanks for leading the DB Migration efforts!21:27
salv-orlandoI’m even happy to do some code there - it’s not rocket science but there’s a lot of stuff to cover21:27
mesterysalv-orlando: Great! I'll let you work with HenryG jlibosva and others to divy up the work.21:27
mesteryAnything else on parity markmcclain?21:27
markmcclainother parity item is we're starting to work on code for altering device mgt from nova to neutron… contact me offline for folks interested in participating21:27
mesterymarkmcclain: thanks!21:28
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mestery#topic Docs21:28
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mesteryemagana: Hi! Any updates for us this week?21:29
emaganahi there! Good news and bad news!21:29
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emaganaGood news: we have very few open bugs in neutron-docs21:29
emaganaWe have been closing few of them lately21:29
mesteryThat is good news emagana!21:29
emaganaBad news: we have very few open bugs in neutron-docs21:30
regXboiheh21:30
* mestery notes the irony.21:30
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emaganaI have seen almost zero new bugs open for docs related to Neutron21:30
mesteryemagana: Does a bug get opened automatically when DocImpact is added?21:30
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emaganaI want to encourage developers to add Doc Impact on your changes21:30
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mesteryemagana: I've seen reviews with that tag, have they not opened bugs?21:30
emaganamestery: That is correct!21:31
banixmestery: yes, the bugs get opened automatically21:31
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mesteryemagana: As an example, did this change generate a Doc bug: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95060/21:31
emaganaSo, reviewers make sure that DocImpact is addeed21:31
mesteryGood advice emagana.21:31
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mesteryemagana: Thanks for the update! Anything else?21:32
emaganaI dont want to take more time.. so, I am done at least somebody wants to add something else21:32
mesteryemagana: Thanks!21:32
markmcclainseems that if the spec has doc changes in it we should ensure DocImpact flag is in commit msg21:32
mesterymarkmcclain: +121:32
mestery#topic Tempest21:33
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mesterymlavalle: Hi!21:33
mlavalleHi21:33
mlavallewe have a total of 26 api tests merged21:33
mlavalleworking on the last 321:33
mesterymlavalle: Great!21:33
mlavallealso keeping an eye on the LBaaS work in case we need to adjust the tests for the new API21:33
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mesterymlavalle: Great, thanks!21:34
mlavallelast week merged the spec for the work to be done on scenarios21:34
mlavallehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/95600/21:34
mestery#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95600/21:34
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mlavalleright now I am writing the titorial on scenario tests that will become part of the Tempest docs21:34
nati_uenonice21:34
Sukhdevmlavalle: that is great21:35
mlavalleand also writing specs for the scenarios themselves21:35
mesterymlavalle: This is great work!21:35
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mlavalleonce I have that, I will send message to ML to invite developers to write scenarios for us21:35
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mesterymlavalle: Sounds like a plan.21:35
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mlavallethat's all I have and I'll see you next week in San SAntonio21:36
maruntangent: how do we ensure evolution of specs?21:36
marunI'll bring up on mailing list if there isn't an easy answer.21:36
mesterymarun: Patches to approved specs.21:36
mlavallemarun: no easy answer Ithinlk21:36
marunok, will bring up on ml21:36
mesterythanks marun.21:36
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mestery#topic L321:37
marunif we use bugs/bp to evolve code, we'll need something to evolve specs too21:37
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carl_baldwinmestery: hi21:37
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mesterycarl_baldwin: Hi!21:37
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carl_baldwinWe’re working hard on DVR.21:37
mesteryYay!21:37
carl_baldwinThe extension patch is shaping up.21:37
mesterycarl_baldwin: We merged our first 2 DVR patches I believe, right?21:37
carl_baldwinI’m reaching out to owners of the L3 / L2 patches and new patches should be coming soon.21:37
carl_baldwinmestery: Yes, we’ve merged a few, paving the way.21:37
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carl_baldwinI’m still working on a document that should be useful for testing.21:38
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carl_baldwinNeed updates to the L3 and L2 patches before I can do much work work on that.21:39
carl_baldwinAll of the other L3 topics are covered on the team page.21:39
mesteryThanks carl_baldwin!21:40
mestery#topic IPv621:40
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mesterysc68cal: Hi there!21:40
carl_baldwinI’ll continue to work directly with the patch owners.21:40
sc68calHello!21:40
mesterycarl_baldwin: Thanks!21:40
sc68calSo we have a bug report for the floating IP v4/v6 problem baoli found - it is listed on the agenda21:41
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mestery#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/132376621:41
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1323766 in neutron "Incorrect Floating IP behavior  in dual stack or ipv6 only network" [Undecided,New]21:41
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markmcclainit's a fun one for the few folks running dual stacks21:41
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sc68calWe will most likely dig into it in the coming weeks - but it does raise questions about implicit v4-isms in the Networking API21:42
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sc68calThe only other thing I'd like to bring up is the patch to add the subnet attributes to neutronclient21:43
mestery#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75871/21:43
sc68calBeating me to it :)21:43
mesteryLooks like markmcclain has a -2 on that one at the moment.21:43
markmcclainright was waiting on final attribute decision in server21:43
* markmcclain needs to catch up on spec update21:43
mesterymarkmcclain: OK, got it.21:43
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mesterysc68cal: Per our discussion, you still want to proceed with 2 attributes, right?21:44
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sc68calCorrect - the two attribute spec is the result of months of subteam meetings21:44
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sc68calwe originally started with a single attribute, but then that BP was superceded by the two attribute spec21:44
mesterysc68cal: OK, that makes sense.21:44
sc68calI also realized that I got a DevStack patch in that assumes the attributes are usable in the client21:45
mesterysc68cal: The 2 attribute approach?21:45
sc68calmestery: yes21:45
sc68calI had patches to devstack for our lab environment that I pushed to upstream21:45
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sc68calthat matches very closely to how we deploy our clusters21:46
mesterySo, is anyone against the two atttribute approach? Seems as if the Ipv6 subteam has converged on this approach.21:46
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mesterymarkmcclain: OK, lets syncup offline on this one then. :)21:46
regXboilink to thread?21:46
markmcclainwill do21:46
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* mestery waits to see if sc68cal digs the link out ...21:47
sc68calI don't think we've had a mailing list discussion about it21:47
mesterysc68cal: OK, no worries.21:47
sc68calThe only link could be the single attribute spec - let me get that21:47
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sc68cal#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87987/21:47
mesterysc68cal: thanks!21:47
sc68calshoot21:47
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sc68calthat's the wrong one21:48
mesterysc68cal: Anything else on IPv6 this week?21:48
sc68cal#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92164/21:48
sc68calNo, that's it21:48
mesterysc68cal: Thanks!21:48
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mesterySumitNaiksatam is out this week, so we'll skip the sub-teams he's leading for today.21:48
mestery#topic Open Discussion21:49
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mesteryanteaya: You had a note around DriverLog in here.21:49
mesteryActually, I'll cover this too.21:49
mesteryanteaya and I noticed DriverLog is reporting data which isn't actually right in some cases.21:49
mesteryWe're going to try and clean this up in the coming week.21:49
mesteryAlso, there are inconsistencies between that and what anteaya is tracking in infra.21:50
Sukhdevmestery: I noticed that too21:50
mesterySukhdev: Yes.21:50
mesterySo, anteaya and/or I may be reaching out to plugin/driver owners in the coming week.21:50
anteayasorry, got distracted21:50
mesteryAnd I'd like to thank anteaya for leading this effort around 3rd party CI. It's a huge win for the community and a lot of work!21:51
mesteryanteaya: ^^^ :)21:51
anteayathanks21:51
mesteryanteaya: Did I miss antyhing?21:51
nati_ueno++21:51
anteayaif you aren't sure about a system ask me and we can review it together21:51
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anteayanope, I'm good thanks21:51
markmcclainmestery: should be noted that brocade isn't eval'ing their own patches21:51
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mestery#info Any questions on 3rd party CI, ask anteaya or mestery.21:51
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mesterymarkmcclain: That's one of the htings anteaya and I noticed.21:51
mesterymarkmcclain: Also, Tail-F hasn't posted a review since April.21:51
markmcclainyep21:51
mesteryWe may look to remove some thigns from tree once we sort this out.21:52
mesteryBut we will give notice.21:52
anteayaI'm less concerned about fixing driverlog and more concerned that ci systems are working21:52
mesteryI started a thread on Tail-f earlier today on the ML.21:52
mesteryanteaya: +121:52
armaxmarkmcclain, mestery I have been noticing this hence my -2’s21:52
mesteryMy goal is to clean this up (with anteaya's help) by the end of Juno-2.21:52
salv-orlandoif you’ve noticed vmware is down too since friday. It was sending -1 to all patches. I’m fixing that - please do not be frustated!21:52
mesterySo, stay with us.21:52
mesterysalv-orlando: Thanks for the update!21:52
markmcclainarmax: yes thanks for matching review to CI21:53
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mesteryAnything else to bringup this week from anyone?21:53
mesteryIf not, keep up the reviews and thanks for everyone's efforts in Juno so far!21:54
sweston_mestery: yes, I've been working on ci for brocade.  we will be eval'ing our own patches soon21:54
mesterysweston_: Great! I will be reaching out to you this week yet.21:54
sweston_mestery: yay!!21:54
mesterysweston_: :P21:55
regXboimestery: I will be traveling next week21:55
* regXboi driving back from Memphis21:55
* mestery makes a mental note to send lots of email to regXboi next week. :)21:55
mesteryregXboi: Thanks for the heads up. :)21:55
mesteryOK, thanks everyone! We'll see you all next week!21:55
nati_uenosee ya!21:55
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banixbye21:55
mesteryAnd also, in #openstack-neutron, the ML, reviews, and possibly in my dreams. :)21:55
mestery#endmeeting21:55
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