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| yamahata | hi | 05:00 |
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| sweston | hi | 05:00 |
| s3wong | hello | 05:00 |
| hareeshpc | Hi | 05:00 |
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| alonha | Hi | 05:00 |
| gongysh | hi | 05:00 |
| natarajk | hi | 05:00 |
| yamahata | #startmeeting servicevm-device-manager | 05:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 10 05:01:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamahata. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: servicevm-device-manager)" | 05:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'servicevm_device_manager' | 05:01 |
| yamahata | #topic Announcement | 05:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcement (Meeting topic: servicevm-device-manager)" | 05:01 | |
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| yamahata | created irc channel on freenode #tacker | 05:01 |
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| yamahata | requested repository on stackforge. it's under review | 05:01 |
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| yamahata | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97435/ | 05:02 |
| s3wong | OK | 05:02 |
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| hareeshpc | ok | 05:03 |
| yamahata | #topic nfv follow up | 05:03 |
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| yamahata | As BP for NFV support, two Blueprints for vlan trunking and unfirewall-unaddress are proposed by Ian. | 05:04 |
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| yamahata | Regarding vlan trunking, I think it's mostly same to vlan-aware-vm/l2-gateway. So we need to coordinate it. | 05:05 |
| alonha | Can you point to the blueprints? | 05:05 |
| yamahata | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97714/ | 05:05 |
| s3wong | yamahata: I think mestery agrees with your -1 on the VLAN trunking bp | 05:06 |
| yamahata | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94612/ | 05:06 |
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| s3wong | it is redundant to what has been filed | 05:06 |
| yamahata | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/l2-gateway | 05:06 |
| yamahata | no neutron-spec for the last one | 05:06 |
| yamahata | s3wong: Yes. | 05:06 |
| bobmel | Hi all! bob melander here. Sorry for being late. | 05:07 |
| yamahata | I pinged Eric, but haven't got any reply. | 05:07 |
| yamahata | bobmel: hello | 05:07 |
| yisun | but no one is working on L2 GW | 05:07 |
| s3wong | yamahata: also, ijw filed another on having two interfaces to same network bp | 05:07 |
| yamahata | bobmel: It's early morning there? | 05:07 |
| s3wong | bobmel: changed your handle already? :-) | 05:07 |
| sweston | yamahata: late evening :-) | 05:07 |
| bobmel | yamahata: yes, early morning and I'm more of a evening guy :-) | 05:08 |
| yisun | Does anyone know who is working on L2 GW? | 05:08 |
| yamahata | I'm willing to write l2gw or update vlan-ware-vlan spec. | 05:08 |
| yamahata | or anyone volunteer? | 05:08 |
| s3wong | yisun: I believe someone from Ericsson | 05:08 |
| yisun | But what is the problem to let Eric to continue? | 05:08 |
| yisun | Eric is from Ericsson | 05:08 |
| yisun | But L2 GW I don’t think so | 05:09 |
| bobmel | yisun: Stephan baucke and Rasha Ben Ali, both ericsson | 05:09 |
| yisun | But the owner of L2 GW is Rossella Sblendido | 05:09 |
| yisun | I’m reading the wrong one? | 05:09 |
| bobmel | ok, aha, has it changed recently? | 05:10 |
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| yamahata | yisun: the issues is Eric is not responsive recently. | 05:10 |
| yisun | No, it was like that a year ago | 05:10 |
| bobmel | Stephan and Rasha also have some l2gw blueprint I beleive | 05:10 |
| garyduan | Hi, sorry, I am late | 05:10 |
| yamahata | garyduan: hi. | 05:10 |
| yisun | Ok, little history about these vlan or L2 thing | 05:11 |
| garyduan | yamahata: hi | 05:11 |
| yamahata | I'm wondering how we can accelerate or make things progress. | 05:11 |
| yisun | In the Hongkong summit, I was trying to consolidate the efforts, only ERIC responsed and worked on it | 05:11 |
| yisun | no one else make any progress since then other than Eric | 05:11 |
| yamahata | Okay, I'll update BP unless Eric does. | 05:11 |
| yamahata | Then we'll see how the spec review goes | 05:12 |
| s3wong | the one rossella_s filed was a while back, so not sure if she is still going to work on it | 05:12 |
| yamahata | s3wong: can you ping him? | 05:12 |
| yisun | I really think she is from Midocura :-) | 05:12 |
| s3wong | similar to the port mirroring bp, the one implementing it doesn't need to be the one filing the bp | 05:12 |
| yamahata | her? | 05:12 |
| s3wong | yisun: she used to be, she is now at SUSE :-) | 05:12 |
| s3wong | yisun: she filed it when she was with Midokura | 05:13 |
| yamahata | s3wong: okay | 05:13 |
| s3wong | yamahata: yes, I can ping rossella_s to see if she is still interested in implementing it | 05:13 |
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| yamahata | #action yamahata update BP, see how review goes unless eric does. | 05:13 |
| yamahata | #action s3wong ping rossella_s | 05:13 |
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| yisun | Yamahata, by the BP, you meant L2 GW? | 05:14 |
| yamahata | Yes L2Gw. | 05:14 |
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| yisun | Ok | 05:14 |
| yamahata | If rossella_s write it, it's great. otherwise I'll take it. | 05:14 |
| yamahata | the next blueprint is unfirewall/unaddressed port | 05:15 |
| yamahata | #link https://review.openstack.org/97715 | 05:15 |
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| yamahata | It's also by Ian. | 05:15 |
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| yamahata | The proposal is, unfirewall == unaddressed. | 05:15 |
| yamahata | Do we want to separate them? | 05:16 |
| yamahata | I mean unfirewalled port with address and unfirewalled port without address. | 05:16 |
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| yisun | Yamahata: why do you want to separate them? | 05:17 |
| alonha | Maybe the more proper term is 'trusted port'? | 05:17 |
| yamahata | yisun: Yes, I though. I'm not sure if there is a use case. | 05:18 |
| yamahata | Only unfirewalled port without address is okay? | 05:18 |
| yisun | Gary: we have such a port, right? | 05:18 |
| bobmel | Router ports would be one example | 05:19 |
| garyduan | it could be unfirewalled but with address | 05:19 |
| yamahata | For router vm case, port needs IP address without firewall. | 05:19 |
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| s3wong | yamahata: yisun: garyduan: this is port without security group, right? | 05:19 |
| garyduan | right | 05:19 |
| yamahata | s3wong: yes. | 05:19 |
| yisun | s3wong: it does not have IP either | 05:19 |
| s3wong | yamahata: we also need port that isn't attached to any subnet, thus port w/out IP | 05:20 |
| yamahata | s3wong: Does it mean unaddressed? Is the port associated to only network? | 05:20 |
| yisun | Here is one more case, that I don’t know which buck it fits | 05:20 |
| yisun | I have a redundant ports to back up each other | 05:21 |
| yisun | and both them have the same MAC and IP | 05:21 |
| s3wong | yamahata: IP address assigned to VM is from user specifying which network the port belongs to; if we want to create VM with a port that is not attached to any network, it seems reasonable that it has to be without any IP address | 05:22 |
| gongysh | for router vm, we need to remove anti spoof chain. | 05:22 |
| s3wong | yisun: sounds like a different bp | 05:23 |
| s3wong | need to update that requirements on our list | 05:23 |
| gongysh | w3wong: not attached to any network -> not attached to any subnets? | 05:23 |
| yisun | s3wong: could be | 05:24 |
| yamahata | There are many requirements for port attributes. I'll create wiki page for it. | 05:24 |
| yisun | all: bascially, for the service VM, we may have to disable all firewall checks | 05:24 |
| yamahata | Then we can summarize use case and requirement. then break down to BPs | 05:24 |
| yamahata | #action yamahata create wiki page for port attributes | 05:24 |
| yisun | yamahata+1 | 05:24 |
| s3wong | gongysh: not attached to any network or subnet, in a serviceVM pool, ideally, we don't set the VM interface attachment and its IP address until we know which network we want to attach the port to | 05:24 |
| s3wong | yamahata: that is definitely a good idea | 05:25 |
| yisun | s3wong: in that case, we can create vnic and plugin network when we need | 05:25 |
| bobmel | yamahata: +1 | 05:25 |
| garyduan | there is a case that one port can server multiple networks | 05:25 |
| s3wong | yisun: can we create VM without any port initially? | 05:25 |
| yamahata | At least the consensus is Ian's proposal should be split/enhanced into some BPs. | 05:26 |
| s3wong | garyduan: is it supported today? | 05:26 |
| yisun | s3wong, I think you need a vnic for mgt at least | 05:26 |
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| garyduan | s3wong: in neutron, no | 05:26 |
| natarajk | yisub: that's correct | 05:26 |
| natarajk | you need atleast one for mgmt for service vm | 05:26 |
| s3wong | yisun: OK - that's cool, since yamahata is introducing mgmt interface concept, that could be the first interface for serviceVM | 05:27 |
| yisun | natarajk: the is the basic requirement and any other interfaces can be create on daemon | 05:27 |
| yisun | s/the/this/ | 05:27 |
| bobmel | natarajk: yisun: unless you do management by RPC proxy | 05:27 |
| yamahata | I create wiki page | 05:28 |
| yamahata | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ServiceVM/neutron-port-attributes | 05:28 |
| yamahata | just blank yet. | 05:28 |
| bobmel | natarajk: yisun: Then you may not have mgmt vnic | 05:28 |
| yisun | bobmel: why? | 05:28 |
| yamahata | #action anyone update wiki page with usecase/requirement | 05:28 |
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| natarajk | bobmel: i meant we need atleast one for mgmt | 05:28 |
| yisun | natarajk:+1 | 05:29 |
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| bobmel | yisun: natarajk: I was referring to mgmt done as specified here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/blueprints/message-proxy-server | 05:30 |
| s3wong | bobmel: I think yisun and others are saying having a mgmt intf is a basic requirement for serviceVM | 05:30 |
| yamahata | bobmel: the blueprint needs to be updated according to the discussion at the summit | 05:31 |
| yamahata | The first target is to build RPC over marconi. | 05:31 |
| yisun | bobmel: I need to read the bp, but shouldn’t we at least have an interface that we can send restful request? | 05:32 |
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| yamahata | I mean "enhancing neutron metadata agent and use notification over HTTP" section | 05:32 |
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| bobmel | s3wong: Ok, that I agree with. Just need not necessarily be a network interface, | 05:33 |
| garyduan | Are we still talking neutron port attributes? | 05:33 |
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| yamahata | Seems no. | 05:34 |
| yamahata | that's all from me as nfv follow up? | 05:34 |
| s3wong | yamahata: mgmt interface is NOT Neutron port, isn't it? | 05:35 |
| yamahata | anthing else? | 05:35 |
| yamahata | s3wong: mgmt interface can be non-neutron port. | 05:35 |
| yamahata | s3wong: But Neutron port can be mgmt port. That's the first goal. | 05:35 |
| s3wong | garyduan: so what yamahata said above ^^^^^ | 05:35 |
| s3wong | garyduan: not necessarily about neutron port | 05:36 |
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| s3wong | yamahata: thanks! | 05:36 |
| yamahata | #topic open discussion | 05:37 |
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| yamahata | When tacker-spec repository is created, I'd like to start spec review of Rest api of device manager. | 05:38 |
| garyduan | yamahata: I was not able to attend last week's meeting | 05:38 |
| yamahata | garyduan: no problem. | 05:38 |
| garyduan | yamahata: do we have these BP listed somewhere? | 05:38 |
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| yamahata | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ServiceVM/neutron-and-other-project-items | 05:38 |
| alonha | What is the differenc between this group and the new NFV one? Aren't both deal with the same problems? | 05:38 |
| yamahata | you also want to see | 05:39 |
| yamahata | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NFV | 05:39 |
| garyduan | thanks | 05:39 |
| s3wong | alonha: at least at this point, the tacker team has not talked about things like how to saturate a 40G link | 05:39 |
| alonha | Sorry, what is tacker team? | 05:40 |
| yamahata | aloga: Maybe, we're understanding the difference. If BPs is covered by BP, it can be under NFV unbrella. | 05:40 |
| s3wong | alonha: sorry, the ServiceVM team :-) | 05:40 |
| yamahata | covered by *NFV* | 05:40 |
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| yamahata | aloga: serviceVM/device manager is not always covered by NFV. | 05:41 |
| yamahata | aloga: off course we'll work closely with NFV. Maybe subteam of NFV? | 05:41 |
| garyduan | In general, I think we are not able to address all of the requirements. We need to identify several issues we must address first. | 05:41 |
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| alonha | So, for now, two different groups? | 05:42 |
| s3wong | garyduan: agreed, and based on last week's meeting, the general consensus is the serviceVM team will prioritize NFV use cases to address | 05:42 |
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| s3wong | alonha: at this point, the NFV subteam's mission is to gather requirements and file bps | 05:42 |
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| alonha | ok, thanks. | 05:43 |
| s3wong | alonha: OTOH, serviceVM team is here to get implementation / design done | 05:43 |
| alonha | got it, thanks, | 05:43 |
| yamahata | anything else to discuss? | 05:44 |
| yisun | BTW— I got a new requirement today, not solid, but worth to share | 05:44 |
| yisun | We are doing performance tuning on our service VM. | 05:45 |
| yisun | We were trying to add some early random drop logic | 05:45 |
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| yisun | but we can not find a good trigger for it. Since we have not clue on the hypervisro load | 05:45 |
| yisun | Even in the VM, our CPU usage is ok, but hypervisor may be already out of CPU. | 05:46 |
| yisun | So, in order to issue something accurate, some hypervisor resource usage visibility may be helpful | 05:46 |
| yamahata | yisun: somthing like feeding some statistics of ceilometer to inside VM? | 05:46 |
| yisun | yamahata: there was one of thing I was thinking | 05:47 |
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| yamahata | sounds interesting | 05:47 |
| s3wong | yisun: yamahata: wonder if Ceilometer (used mostly for tenant) can cover hypervisor stats | 05:47 |
| yisun | yamahata: since this is only the first a few day that I’m looking into this, so it is not a solid idea yet, I will report back when I get more | 05:48 |
| yamahata | s3wong: At worst we can write a driver to gather such info | 05:48 |
| yamahata | s3wong: I guess there already is, though | 05:48 |
| s3wong | yamahata: OK | 05:48 |
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| garyduan | I remember there was discussion at Neutron pod at Atlanta | 05:49 |
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| garyduan | talking about gathering traffic info by agent | 05:50 |
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| yamahata | nothing more? | 05:51 |
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| yamahata | Okay let's review blueprint and update port attributes page | 05:51 |
| s3wong | garyduan: so that is a fair requirements, you can put that into serviceVM wiki | 05:51 |
| bobmel | yamahata: I just added one about the sec group disable | 05:52 |
| yamahata | bobmel: thanks | 05:52 |
| yamahata | see you next week or nfv meeting | 05:53 |
| yamahata | #endmeeting | 05:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 10 05:53:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2014/servicevm_device_manager.2014-06-10-05.01.html | 05:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2014/servicevm_device_manager.2014-06-10-05.01.txt | 05:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2014/servicevm_device_manager.2014-06-10-05.01.log.html | 05:53 |
| garyduan | s3wong: I agree on the requirement in general | 05:53 |
| yamahata | garyduan: sorry, too eary to close | 05:53 |
| garyduan | s3wong: but not necessarily the approach | 05:53 |
| yamahata | early | 05:53 |
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| garyduan | yamahata: that's fine. | 05:53 |
| s3wong | garyduan: yep, week by week we get more requests, we will prioritize, but good to have a centralized place to write them down | 05:54 |
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| yisun | s3wong: do we have a target date that we will close the requirement collection and start to set priority? | 05:54 |
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| s3wong | yisun: not yet :-) | 05:54 |
| yisun | sorry, I will not in the latest meeting, this is only a catch up question, just in case I missed it | 05:55 |
| yamahata | yisun: s3wong do we want to set? | 05:55 |
| yisun | s/will/was/ | 05:55 |
| s3wong | yamahata: do we want to get things moving before project gets into incubation (because that will take some time) | 05:55 |
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| yisun | yamahata: it really depends on how we to plan this. | 05:56 |
| yisun | s/to/want to/ | 05:56 |
| yamahata | s3wong: yisun I see | 05:56 |
| yamahata | I thought it would be good to have some code working before applying incubation process | 05:57 |
| s3wong | yamahata: absolutely | 05:57 |
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| yamahata | And have some experience with openstack CI | 05:57 |
| s3wong | yamahata: and also plan for maximizing benefits for community | 05:57 |
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| s3wong | anyway, let's add requirements on the wiki page | 06:00 |
| yisun | +1 | 06:00 |
| s3wong | meeting time's up. see you guys next week :-) | 06:00 |
| bobmel | Bye | 06:00 |
| s3wong | bye | 06:00 |
| yisun | bye | 06:00 |
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| sc68cal | hello everyone, who's ready for some IPv6? | 13:57 |
| * aveiga is always ready for IPv6 | 13:58 | |
| sc68cal | :) | 13:58 |
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| SridharGaddam | hi | 13:58 |
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| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_ipv6 | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 10 14:00:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ipv6)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ipv6' | 14:00 |
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| baoli | Hi | 14:00 |
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| xuhanp | hi | 14:00 |
| SridharG | hello everyone.. | 14:00 |
| sc68cal | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-IPv6-Subteam#Agenda_for_June_10th | 14:00 |
| sc68cal | #topic blueprints | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "blueprints (Meeting topic: neutron_ipv6)" | 14:01 | |
| sc68cal | Do we have any new blueprints to discuss? | 14:02 |
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| sc68cal | If not, we'll continue to code reviews | 14:04 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, I saw Shixiong just joined, so shall we discuss the dnsmasq review? | 14:04 |
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| sc68cal | xuhanp: sure, that's a good idea | 14:05 |
| aveiga | silence indicates acceptance, sc68cal | 14:05 |
| sc68cal | #topic code review | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "code review (Meeting topic: neutron_ipv6)" | 14:05 | |
| aveiga | might as well go to reviews | 14:05 |
| Shixiong | sure | 14:05 |
| sc68cal | xuhanp: you wanted to take on part of the dnsmasq changes, that was part of Shixiong's large patch? | 14:06 |
| xuhanp | sure. depends how to divide it. | 14:07 |
| sc68cal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70649/ | 14:07 |
| xuhanp | we already tested the code. Most of it works, except the one pid problem. And I will file a bug for DHCP security rule to allow dhcpv6 from dnsmasq | 14:08 |
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| sc68cal | xuhanp: Cool. I saw you had a patch get accepted yesterday to allow DHCPv6 solicit through? | 14:08 |
| sc68cal | err - out of a guest | 14:08 |
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| xuhanp | yep. | 14:09 |
| Shixiong | xuhanp, I am still investigating that pid problem | 14:09 |
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| xuhanp | Shixiong, we also did some investigation on that. Can share with you if you need. | 14:09 |
| xuhanp | I think we need to break your patch into smaller ones and submit for code review ASAP. | 14:09 |
| xuhanp | give we are already at Juno-1 | 14:09 |
| Shixiong | That will be awesome. | 14:10 |
| Shixiong | Do you want to have a meeting to talk about that, or you think email exchange should be fine? | 14:10 |
| xuhanp | I can talk with you after this meeting on openstack-neutron if that's OK | 14:10 |
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| sc68cal | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-1 J-1 milestone | 14:11 |
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| sc68cal | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-2 J-2 milestone | 14:11 |
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| sc68cal | We've got a couple v6 BPs in both milestones | 14:11 |
| aveiga | j1 is one week | 14:11 |
| sc68cal | less than that :( | 14:12 |
| sc68cal | I believe this thursday | 14:12 |
| aveiga | 6/12 | 14:13 |
| aveiga | according to the link | 14:13 |
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| sc68cal | xuhanp: Shixiong: baoli: Take a look at J-2 milestone, there's two IPv6 blueprints in for J-2 | 14:13 |
| sc68cal | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/dnsmasq-ipv6-slaac | 14:14 |
| sc68cal | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-ipv6-radvd-ra | 14:14 |
| baoli | saw that. | 14:14 |
| baoli | sc68scal, thanks for your review on my spec | 14:15 |
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| sc68cal | baoli: you're very kind to say so, since I -1'd it.. | 14:15 |
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| sc68cal | During the main meeting yesterday we brought up the issue of the 1 attribute vs 2 attributes (see the los) | 14:16 |
| sc68cal | *logs | 14:16 |
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| baoli | sc68cal, is there a decision on that? | 14:16 |
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| sc68cal | There was only one dissenting opinion from the core team regarding 1 attr vs 2 attrs | 14:16 |
| Shixiong | @xuhanp, I will have a meeting until noon today EST time. Is it possible we can chat at different time on the pid issue? | 14:17 |
| sc68cal | this was in regards to getting the python-neutronclient change in | 14:17 |
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| xuhanp | Shixiong, sure. | 14:17 |
| sc68cal | baoli: I *think* that for the most part the 2 attr is the way we're going to go | 14:18 |
| Shixiong | I prefer give you and Jian Li a call so we can talk, which is more efficient | 14:18 |
| xuhanp | Shixiong, sure. | 14:18 |
| xuhanp | that works too. | 14:18 |
| baoli | sc68cal, what's the reason for my bp to be on the j2 list? | 14:18 |
| sc68cal | baoli: the radvd one? | 14:19 |
| baoli | sc68cal, yes | 14:19 |
| sc68cal | Do you think it can be done by J-2? or should we move it to j-3? | 14:19 |
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| xuhanp | sc68cal, are we already decided to go to the "1" attribute one proposed by baoli? I saw your comment on that spec still objects it. | 14:20 |
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| baoli | sc68cal, it's going to be a different implementation than what's currently being worked on. So schedule wise is not the concern for now | 14:21 |
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| sc68cal | xuhanp: No, we are still on the 2 attr track :) | 14:21 |
| aveiga | baoli: what's different about it? | 14:22 |
| baoli | aveiga, can you be more specific on your question? | 14:22 |
| aveiga | it looks to me like that BP is for setting up radvd in the qrouter namespace to act as an RA daemon, and I fully support doing that | 14:22 |
| Shixiong | xuhanp, I just sent you an email to your gmail account with proposed date. Please let me know if it works for you. | 14:22 |
| xuhanp | Shixiong, got it. will reply | 14:22 |
| baoli | aveiga, it's proposing one attribute in the subnet API. | 14:23 |
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| aveiga | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-ipv6-radvd-ra doesn't seem to propose any api changes | 14:23 |
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| sc68cal | Ah. I see the confusion | 14:24 |
| aveiga | unless you meant a different BP | 14:24 |
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| sc68cal | Your Blueprint in LP talks about doing radvd and is a child of the two attributes BP | 14:24 |
| sc68cal | but your spec in gerrit that you link to that bp is about the single attribute | 14:24 |
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| baoli | sc68cal, sorry for the confusion. I probably should've started a new BP. | 14:25 |
| aveiga | +1 to that, because the LP version is something I'd love to see | 14:25 |
| aveiga | it would actually make my idea for ipv6 floats incredibly easy | 14:26 |
| baoli | aveiga, does that mean that there will be implementation in openstack to support slaac? | 14:26 |
| aveiga | of course | 14:26 |
| baoli | sorry, two implemenation in openstack to support slaac | 14:26 |
| aveiga | sure, and why not? It should be a config/build option to pick dnsmasq vs radvd | 14:26 |
| aveiga | besides, I think we need unicast RA | 14:27 |
| baoli | aveiga, I agree with you that with the RA, a lot of other things may become easier. | 14:27 |
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| aveiga | unicast RA lets me add a float by just sending a new subnet advertisement to a single host :) | 14:27 |
| aveiga | I'm writing a BP for this now, actually | 14:27 |
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| sc68cal | Yes, also if you have something slated for J-2, please make sure you have a spec in neutron-specs | 14:28 |
| sc68cal | people are chomping at the bit to -1 and -2 stuff that does not have a spec in neutron-specs | 14:28 |
| dane_leblanc | aveiga, if we're adding unicast RAs, that will impact the design spec I wrote for muliple prefixes per port | 14:29 |
| aveiga | how does that implement selective prefix allocation? | 14:29 |
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| aveiga | I'd think it would actually be easier with unicast | 14:29 |
| sc68cal | dane_leblanc: do you have a link for that spec? | 14:30 |
| dane_leblanc | I was assuming SLAAC woudl be automatic... and not selective per port | 14:30 |
| dane_leblanc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98217/ | 14:30 |
| aveiga | oh, misunderstanding | 14:30 |
| aveiga | slaac for the fixed would be multicast still | 14:30 |
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| aveiga | we would only unicast RAs for extra features, like floats or prefix delegation nodes | 14:31 |
| dane_leblanc | aveiga, okay... was thinking differently about floating ips | 14:31 |
| dane_leblanc | I was thinking floating IPs would only use DHCP. | 14:31 |
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| aveiga | dane_leblanc: absolutely, buit the dhcpv6 solicit has to be initiated by RA still | 14:32 |
| dane_leblanc | But your idea is less restrictive on admin | 14:32 |
| aveiga | you either do this via unicasting RA's (easy) or filtering the multicasted RA to select hosts (harder, more state/config to track) | 14:32 |
| sc68cal | baoli: What should we do about your launchpad blueprint, and the spec? | 14:33 |
| baoli | sc68cal, I would create a new BP and link that to my spec. | 14:33 |
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| dane_leblanc | aveiga, agreed, unicast RA's would be less complicated | 14:33 |
| sc68cal | OK. So I assume that we should remove https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-ipv6-radvd-ra from the J-2 milestone | 14:34 |
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| baoli | sc68cal, well I'd still like to see the new bps put in the j-2 | 14:34 |
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| sc68cal | baoli: you mean for the single attribute? | 14:34 |
| aveiga | I'd like to see the radvd BP created as a -spec | 14:35 |
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| aveiga | either that or I'm going to file a bug against the dnsmasq implementation for not supporting unicast RA | 14:35 |
| baoli | sc68cal, yes. it's for both single attr and radvd. Becasue I'm going to use radvd to implement it | 14:35 |
| aveiga | baoli: can we split that? | 14:35 |
| aveiga | one for the radvd implementation, and one for single that depends on radvd | 14:36 |
| sc68cal | OK - so here's my concern. I already -1'd your spec for the single attribute saying that it'd kill momentum. Now we're removing a blueprint from J-2 for adding radvd, because you want to continue on this single attribute path | 14:36 |
| baoli | aveiga, one attr doesn't depend on radvd. | 14:36 |
| baoli | aveiga, it's the opposite | 14:36 |
| aveiga | radvd doesn't depend on an api attribute | 14:37 |
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| baoli | sc68cal, you seem to suggest in the review that use one attr in the CLI | 14:38 |
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| baoli | So if one attr simplify the API, which is more important, I don't know the reason why we have to stick with the two attr. | 14:39 |
| aveiga | baoli: the suggestion is that you could provide a method for using one attr in the cli if people feel that it's "too complicated" to use two | 14:39 |
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| aveiga | I am strongly against a signle api attribute, as I really need those knobs for finer grained configurations | 14:39 |
| baoli | aveiga, any specific case that two attr can do but one attr can not? | 14:40 |
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| sc68cal | Let's take this off line | 14:40 |
| aveiga | selectively toggling provider networks | 14:40 |
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| sc68cal | baoli: I asked you to send an e-mail to the mailing list about this last week, if I recall | 14:40 |
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| baoli | sc68cal, sorry, did you ask me to send configuration on dual stack? | 14:41 |
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| sc68cal | I'd have to check the logs to be certain | 14:41 |
| baoli | sc68cal, didn't get a chance to do that. But the devstack patch commit message pretty much described how to do that. | 14:41 |
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| sc68cal | I don't believe everyone is aware of the devstack patch, so it's always useful to start a thread on the ML and link things | 14:42 |
| baoli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87987/ | 14:42 |
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| baoli | sc68cal, it will be on the review alias, if not on the developer alias | 14:44 |
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| baoli | aveiga, there is one value from my spec: provider_slaac, which excplicitly indicates provider net | 14:45 |
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| baoli | aveiga, that should cover the use case you guys are working on. | 14:46 |
| sc68cal | Shixiong: xuhanp: So I think for now we have only one BP that is slated for j-2 | 14:46 |
| sc68cal | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/dnsmasq-ipv6-slaac | 14:46 |
| sc68cal | Do you need help creating a spec for it in neutron-specs? | 14:46 |
| Shixiong | Maybe this should be the one we focus on | 14:46 |
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| xuhanp | Shixiong, do you have plan to do that? I can certainly help if you need | 14:47 |
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| Shixiong | I am not sure what I need to do...to be honest.... | 14:47 |
| Shixiong | "creating a spec for it in neutron-specs"? | 14:47 |
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| xuhanp | We need to create a new code review in neutron-specs project | 14:48 |
| sc68cal | I agree - plus I did some of the legwork for you, the patch for provider-nets slaac checks for constants.DHCPV6_STATELESS and does an eui64 address calculation, so I think the API is all set, we just need to do the dnsmasq piece | 14:48 |
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| sc68cal | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86044/7/neutron/db/db_base_plugin_v2.py | 14:48 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, yep. that one is based on dazhao's patch, right? | 14:48 |
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| xuhanp | I have some memory on that one. | 14:49 |
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| xuhanp | Shixiong, I can help on the spec create if you are not familiar with that. and we can talk about how to speed up the dnsmasq code in our talk this week. | 14:49 |
| xuhanp | if we are OK with that. | 14:50 |
| Shixiong | Yup, that will definitely help. | 14:50 |
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| Shixiong | Thanks, Xuhan! | 14:50 |
| xuhanp | Shixiong, welcome | 14:50 |
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| sc68cal | xuhanp: yup | 14:52 |
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| sc68cal | Does the ipv6-radvd-ra blueprint depend on the single attribute? I don't think it does | 14:55 |
| sc68cal | so I'd like to sign someone up for the work, or else it's going to get moved out of J-2 | 14:55 |
| baoli | sc68cal, it talks about RA support in neutron | 14:55 |
| baoli | and the supporting implementation will be using radvd | 14:55 |
| sc68cal | yes, but it was a child of the two attribute blueprint | 14:55 |
| sc68cal | in launchpad | 14:56 |
| sc68cal | which meant that it was going to use the two attribute changes to the API | 14:56 |
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| sc68cal | I believe your neutron-spec review needed to link to a new blueprint in launchpad | 14:56 |
| sc68cal | since that was an API change | 14:56 |
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| sc68cal | I'm sorry I didn't catch it sooner | 14:56 |
| baoli | sc68cal, i didn't realize until today. Thanks for that. So I'm going to create a new BP and link the spec to the new BP | 14:57 |
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| sc68cal | OK, then I'm going to ask cores to move the radvd blueprint out of J-2 unless we have someoneone who wants to work on it | 14:58 |
| aveiga | it needs a -spec first | 14:59 |
| sc68cal | indeed | 14:59 |
| aveiga | I guess I can work on the spec, but there's no way I'd be able to implement it | 14:59 |
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| sc68cal | OK, well that's all we have time for | 15:00 |
| sc68cal | see everyone next week, let's start some threads on the ML | 15:00 |
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| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 10 15:00:29 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-06-10-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-06-10-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-06-10-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| n0ano | #startmeeting gantt | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 10 15:01:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gantt' | 15:01 |
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| * n0ano is hopefully using the right window this week :-) | 15:01 | |
| n0ano | anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 15:01 |
| mspreitz | yes | 15:01 |
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| toan-tran | yes | 15:02 |
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| n0ano | bauzas won't be here today (traveling) but I got a status from him | 15:03 |
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| n0ano | #topic code forklift | 15:03 |
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| n0ano | he had to address issues related to object model support and miss use of some DB fields but the patches for the scheduler-lib are here: | 15:04 |
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| n0ano | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/scheduler-lib,n,z | 15:04 |
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| n0ano | #action all to review the scheduler-lib patches | 15:04 |
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| n0ano | I did find some people to work on the isolate scheduler DB access BP so we should get some action on that | 15:05 |
| n0ano | other than that, I think the forklift is basically work in progress | 15:05 |
| n0ano | if no questions on that... | 15:06 |
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| n0ano | #topic no-db scheduler | 15:06 |
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| n0ano | I noticed that yorik (doesn't appear to be online today) abandoned the patch for the no-db work | 15:07 |
| n0ano | I wanted to talk to him about that as I don't think we wanted to just give up on it | 15:07 |
| toan-tran | n0ano: I hope that's not because of last week | 15:07 |
| n0ano | toan-tran, agreed | 15:07 |
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| n0ano | I'll ping him on email and see if I can get an explanation, hopefully he is just looking at different ways to implement things | 15:08 |
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| n0ano | anyway... | 15:08 |
| n0ano | #topic policy based scheduler | 15:08 |
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| n0ano | toan-tran, I believe this is your issue | 15:08 |
| toan-tran | n0ano: thanks | 15:09 |
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| toan-tran | Here is the bp: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/policy-based-scheduler | 15:09 |
| toan-tran | and its specs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97503/2 | 15:09 |
| toan-tran | the idea is to be able to control scheduling decision process by policy | 15:10 |
| toan-tran | currently what're we're doing is to put a list of Filters, Weighers and parameters into nova.conf | 15:10 |
| toan-tran | all of these Filters & Weighers will be applied to ALL requests from ALL clients on ALL hosts | 15:10 |
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| toan-tran | imagin if we need 2 policies: | 15:11 |
| toan-tran | LoadBalancing for overall infrastructure | 15:11 |
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| toan-tran | and Consolidation (regrouping hosts) in an aggregate | 15:12 |
| toan-tran | that's simply impossible | 15:12 |
| mspreitz | I'm not sure I understand your use case | 15:12 |
| toan-tran | FYI, we have this usecase at Cloudwatt | 15:12 |
| toan-tran | :) | 15:12 |
| mspreitz | what do you mean by "overall infrastructure", how is that different from an aggregate? | 15:12 |
| toan-tran | it's Windows licence :) | 15:12 |
| toan-tran | Microsoft charges Windows licence by physical hosts | 15:13 |
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| mspreitz | so placement matters | 15:13 |
| toan-tran | thus it's important that we can regroup Windows VM in minimal of hosts | 15:13 |
| toan-tran | ==> Consolidation | 15:13 |
| mspreitz | I do not understand why you are framing this as an issue for all VMs. Shouldn't it be a policy issue for the VMs with Windows licenses whose cost you want to minimize? | 15:14 |
| PaulMurray | toan-tran do you stack windows? | 15:14 |
| n0ano | toan-tran, devil's advocate here, wouldn't that just be a slightly more complex weighting funcitno | 15:14 |
| toan-tran | however, we still need the global Load Balancing in all infrastructure, so that other VMs will be distributed evenly | 15:14 |
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| toan-tran | PaulMurray: yes | 15:14 |
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| toan-tran | mspreitz: it's one of the usecases | 15:15 |
| PaulMurray | toan-tran, very familiar... :) | 15:15 |
| PaulMurray | toan-tran, we do it with filter scheduler | 15:15 |
| PaulMurray | toan-tran, whats the problem? | 15:15 |
| toan-tran | n0ano: yes this usecase is feasible with another wiegher | 15:15 |
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| mspreitz | The big picture thing that confuses me is that the blueprint talks about making distinctions per client, but the solution is not so structured | 15:15 |
| PaulMurray | toan-tran, not saying it cant be better... | 15:15 |
| toan-tran | the thing is more general | 15:15 |
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| toan-tran | we have only ONE global policy for all requests , all users, all clusters of hosts | 15:16 |
| toan-tran | what we're proposing is a seperation between scheduling logic from its application domain | 15:16 |
| toan-tran | scheduling logic = how do you want to schedule the requested resources | 15:17 |
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| toan-tran | application demain = where you want to execute this logic | 15:17 |
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| toan-tran | another example then : :) | 15:17 |
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| toan-tran | 2 users signs 2 different contracts | 15:18 |
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| toan-tran | one with gold quality (high quality equipments) , another with trial (low quality equipments) | 15:18 |
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| toan-tran | with Filter Scheduler, you probably create 2 flavors and put metadata on them and give users the rights to use it | 15:19 |
| YorikSar | n0ano: Sorry for being late. We can get back to no-db topic once we're finished with other topics. | 15:19 |
| n0ano | YorikSar, tnx, will do | 15:19 |
| toan-tran | the problem is that : | 15:20 |
| toan-tran | it's not transparent to users: he has to explicitly choose the right flavor | 15:20 |
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| toan-tran | imagine that the trial user is now satisfied with the trial and decide to go for gold contract | 15:20 |
| toan-tran | then he has to change his entire application to call for the gold flavor | 15:21 |
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| mspreitz | huh? | 15:21 |
| mspreitz | How much of a change is that really? | 15:21 |
| n0ano | toan-tran, he just has to change the flavor requested, that doesn't seem like such a big deal | 15:21 |
| toan-tran | mspreitz: well, it's not tranparent | 15:22 |
| mspreitz | The contract quality is inherently visible to the cloud user | 15:22 |
| mspreitz | one way or another | 15:22 |
| n0ano | toan-tran, not sure it should be transparent, he's changing what he will be billed, he should be aware of that | 15:22 |
| toan-tran | mspreitz: but technically it is not managed by client, but by cloud provider | 15:23 |
| mspreitz | What n0ano said | 15:23 |
| toan-tran | n0ano: he will be billed by his contract, | 15:23 |
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| toan-tran | yes | 15:24 |
| n0ano | I would imaging that cloud provider has two host aggregates, one gold & one bronze, users can use flavor to select the price/performance the user wants | 15:24 |
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| toan-tran | but he does not need to verify his flavors | 15:24 |
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| toan-tran | n0ano: we do, actually, have several aggrs with associated flavors for customers to choose | 15:25 |
| mspreitz | I am very confused. This example is about the very kind of stuff that flavors are about | 15:25 |
| mspreitz | well, that's a bit of an overstatement, but you get the idea | 15:25 |
| toan-tran | mspreitz: the problem is that right now customers have to select the right flavors | 15:25 |
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| toan-tran | and we want to leverage from customers | 15:26 |
| mspreitz | Yes, flavors are based on considerations that are user visible | 15:26 |
| toan-tran | to manage the whole deployment process from cloud provider's end | 15:26 |
| n0ano | toan-tran, I think your policy based scheduling might have merit but we really don't see a good use case for it yet | 15:26 |
| mspreitz | From the user's point of view, flavors are nothing but an unwelcome pain. They are there to make the providing easier. | 15:26 |
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| toan-tran | mspreitz: exactly | 15:27 |
| mspreitz | OK, let me try to buck him up | 15:27 |
| mspreitz | I can imagine use cases | 15:27 |
| mspreitz | toan-tran may not remember my history here, but I came in with similar issues | 15:27 |
| toan-tran | mspreitz: go ahead | 15:27 |
| mspreitz | In fact, my group worked an example in 2012 where we deployed VMs running IBM software whose license cost also depends on placement | 15:27 |
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| mspreitz | we put a policy statement on those VMs that created a preference for co-location. | 15:28 |
| mspreitz | A somewhat precise preference, in terms of licensing. | 15:28 |
| mspreitz | In the same example we also had some anti-colocation constraints for reliability | 15:28 |
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| mspreitz | And used logic that threw in some preference for minimzing network usage. | 15:29 |
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| mspreitz | A reasonable thing if you are deploying, say, a three tier web application. | 15:29 |
| mspreitz | But we took a little different tack... | 15:29 |
| mspreitz | We let there be policy statements in the input, attached precisely to groups of VMs and between them. | 15:30 |
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| mspreitz | our solution transformed the input to a constrained optimization problem and solved that to get the placement. | 15:30 |
| mspreitz | You may know that some others guys from Cisco and VMware are advocating this approach | 15:30 |
| mspreitz | as well | 15:31 |
| toan-tran | SolverScheduler you mean | 15:31 |
| mspreitz | yes | 15:31 |
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| toan-tran | I have done some analysis on that: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RfP7jRsw1mXMjd7in72ARjK0fTrsQv1bqolOriIQB2Y/edit?usp=drive_web | 15:32 |
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| toan-tran | SolverScheduler needs a bunch of contraints as input | 15:32 |
| toan-tran | and PolicyBasedScheduler can get these constraints | 15:32 |
| toan-tran | actually the constraint will be what the policy rules dictate | 15:33 |
| mspreitz | Yes, I saw that analysis, and was not as alarmed by it as by the remarks in the blueprint | 15:33 |
| n0ano | time check, I want to talk about no-db and have an open, do we have an end goal for this discussion? | 15:33 |
| mspreitz | If your intent is what you outline in that analysis, I may be able to live with it | 15:33 |
| mspreitz | n0ano: i'm happy to stop here and do some more reading and thinking | 15:34 |
| toan-tran | mspreitz: oh, I have intention to develop it into a more ambitious than that :) | 15:34 |
| toan-tran | the first step is to have an policy based scheduling engine | 15:34 |
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| toan-tran | then (much much) later it can incorprate with Tetris & Congress | 15:34 |
| n0ano | toan-tran, but first you have to get by the objections to the current BP :-) | 15:35 |
| toan-tran | so that we can have a scheduling engin inside Gantt to be able to controlscheduling from intial placement to life-cycle | 15:35 |
| toan-tran | n0ano: that's right :D | 15:35 |
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| toan-tran | I tries my best to present something simple in nova first | 15:36 |
| n0ano | toan-tran, note, you have to refresh your BP, it's about to get dropped right now | 15:36 |
| toan-tran | n0ano: what do you mean? | 15:36 |
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| n0ano | last message - code review expired after 1 week of no activity after a negative review, it can be restored using the `Restore Change` button under the Patch Set on the web interface | 15:37 |
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| toan-tran | n0ano: ok :) | 15:37 |
| n0ano | anyway, moving on... | 15:37 |
| n0ano | #topic no-db scheduler | 15:37 |
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| n0ano | YorikSar, you still here? | 15:38 |
| YorikSar | n0ano: Yep | 15:38 |
| n0ano | I see you abandoned the current patch, I hope that just means you thinking how to do it and not giving up | 15:38 |
| YorikSar | I've written my reasons in the comment to change request in the spec repo | 15:38 |
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| mspreitz | link? | 15:39 |
| YorikSar | Nope, I think it's just a premature optimization that shouldn't be implemented right away. | 15:39 |
| YorikSar | #link https://review.openstack.org/92128 | 15:39 |
| YorikSar | There are other options that hasn't been considered. | 15:39 |
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| n0ano | good, I agree, just so that we don't give up completely | 15:40 |
| YorikSar | And there's nothing to write in "Problem statement" section. | 15:40 |
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| YorikSar | So I guess this effort might be revived once Gantt faces performance issues related to DB, but for now it should be left alone. | 15:40 |
| n0ano | I thought this all started with the performance issues with a Bluehost 10,000 node system, I would think those performance issues reamain | 15:41 |
| n0ano | s/reamain/remain | 15:41 |
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| YorikSar | There have been a lot of work done under aegis of no-db-scheduler blueprint (even before it has been created). | 15:41 |
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| YorikSar | They should be verified. One hug performance bottleneck has been eliminated - separate key-value table for host states. | 15:42 |
| YorikSar | *huge | 15:42 |
| n0ano | that required a join operation, right? | 15:42 |
| YorikSar | Yes | 15:42 |
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| YorikSar | And all cool documents-reports has been written before that has been done. | 15:43 |
| mspreitz | And it has been experimentally verified that those joins cost less than the stuff that was eliminated? | 15:43 |
| YorikSar | mspreitz: Yes... | 15:43 |
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| YorikSar | I'm talking about changes that happened last summer iirc | 15:44 |
| mspreitz | thanks | 15:44 |
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| n0ano | so, to summarize, this is really a performance optimization issue and we want to make sure we are addressing the right problem | 15:45 |
| YorikSar | So now I suggest to focus on more pressing issues like separating Gantt and polishing its API and come back to performance once it becomes a problem. | 15:45 |
| n0ano | YorikSar, +1 | 15:46 |
| YorikSar | n0ano: Yes | 15:46 |
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| n0ano | OK, sounds like a plan | 15:46 |
| toan-tran | YorikSar: I think the problem is always there, but I agree that we can address no db once Gantt is materalized | 15:46 |
| YorikSar | toan-tran: It's speculated that it should become a real problem at 10k+ nodes. | 15:47 |
| YorikSar | toan-tran: So I wouldn't say it's there. It might be. | 15:47 |
| n0ano | moving on... | 15:48 |
| YorikSar | toan-tran: I mean it definitelly was there, but in current state of Nova it might be already gone. | 15:48 |
| n0ano | #topic opens | 15:48 |
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| n0ano | based upon last weeks discussion I've created a BP to optimize the status reporting from compute nodes | 15:49 |
| n0ano | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97903/ | 15:49 |
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| n0ano | basic idea is, rather that update the DB every minute, only update the DB when the status changes | 15:49 |
| mspreitz | some folks were talking about status that changes every time, like CPU utilization. So I am confused. | 15:49 |
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| n0ano | cpu utilization is not currently reported so that will be a future issue | 15:50 |
| mspreitz | same for memory? | 15:50 |
| toan-tran | mspreitz: cpu utilization is utilisation-aware | 15:50 |
| mspreitz | ? | 15:50 |
| toan-tran | not on this period update | 15:50 |
| mspreitz | toan-tran: what do you mean by "cpu utilization is utilisation-aware" ? | 15:51 |
| n0ano | mspreitz, interesting point, turns out I think there's a bug in the current memory reporting, it doesn't report used memory... | 15:51 |
| n0ano | it only reports memory used by instances | 15:51 |
| toan-tran | mspreitz: period update does not update cpu utilisation if i'm not wrong | 15:51 |
| mspreitz | Well, actually, I think we should focus first on allocated memory rather than used memory | 15:51 |
| n0ano | toan-tran, +1 | 15:51 |
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| PaulMurray | n0ano, the discussion I remember talked about calculating regularly but only updating if it changed | 15:51 |
| n0ano | PaulMurray, that's what I do with the current reporting mechanism | 15:52 |
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| mspreitz | by which I think I may mean what n0ano said: focus on how much memory is dedicated to instances | 15:52 |
| PaulMurray | n0ano, so does this change that reporting? | 15:52 |
| n0ano | mspreitz, but that's not a true indication of `node` resources, if many other processes are using memory you might not want to schedule onto that node | 15:53 |
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| mspreitz | yeah, if you really want a compute node doing other things too, then you have to account for them | 15:54 |
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| n0ano | which it is currently not doing, I'll raise that issue on the mailing list and see what peope think | 15:54 |
| mspreitz | and you have to account for broken compute-node business too (e.g., half-deleted VMs) | 15:54 |
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| n0ano | you could argue both ways (we only care about instance usage vs. node usage), I don't know what people really want | 15:55 |
| PaulMurray | n0ano, actually we want to know what is left available | 15:55 |
| PaulMurray | n0ano, imo | 15:55 |
| n0ano | which is not what is currently being reported | 15:55 |
| mspreitz | What I would really like is to count memory allocated to instances + all other memory usage, compare with memory capacity | 15:55 |
| n0ano | mspreitz, +1 | 15:56 |
| mspreitz | But let me revise that after a second's reconsideration... | 15:56 |
| toan-tran | mspreitz: I'm not sure if the current period update count on allocated mem to instances | 15:57 |
| mspreitz | if the non-instance usage is arbitrarily dynamic, you could get into over-use | 15:57 |
| n0ano | that is my preference but I see it rather simplistic, report free memory (no matter what the occupied memory is used for) | 15:57 |
| n0ano | mspreitz, ? | 15:57 |
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| mspreitz | Suppose you allocate all available memory now, and then some non-instance process wants even more? | 15:57 |
| n0ano | linux handles that | 15:58 |
| PaulMurray | mspreitz, some hypervisors use memory in addition to the instance allocation | 15:58 |
| n0ano | PaulMurray, all the more reason to report true memory usage | 15:58 |
| mspreitz | You really want allocations such that the users can be relied on to not exceed them. We rarely want to actually use the host's virtual memory, we want to stay in physical memory | 15:58 |
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| PaulMurray | n0ano, yes, agreed | 15:59 |
| mspreitz | I am presuming that the overheads due to being a compute node can be reasonably characterized | 15:59 |
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| n0ano | we're running out of time, I suggest everyone comment on my BP and respond to the email thread that I start | 16:00 |
| n0ano | so, top of the hour, tnx everyone and we'll talk again next week | 16:00 |
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| n0ano | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting rally | 16:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 10 16:59:27 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 16:59 |
| boris-42 | msdubov ping | 16:59 |
| coolsvap | hello | 16:59 |
| boris-42 | coolsvap Hi there | 16:59 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders ping | 16:59 |
| k4n0 | o/ | 16:59 |
| msdubov | boris-42 Hi! | 16:59 |
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| boris-42 | kun_huang rediskin klindgren_ glad to see u | 17:02 |
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| boris-42 | #topic rally docs | 17:02 |
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| kun_huang | boris-42 :) | 17:02 |
| boris-42 | msdubov share with others what is the current state of it | 17:02 |
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| msdubov | boris-42 So I'm currently transcribing the docs to the .rst format, to push it to readthedocs | 17:03 |
| msdubov | I'll publish a corresponding patch today or tomorrow | 17:04 |
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| msdubov | Further work is to extend the docs with new texts | 17:04 |
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| msdubov | And also restructure the docstrings in code | 17:04 |
| msdubov | So that we can easily implement the "rally info" command | 17:04 |
| msdubov | Basically that's the plan | 17:05 |
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| msdubov | Hope somebody will help me with that ;) | 17:05 |
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| kun_huang | boris-42 msdubov I'm glad to do that; actually I need join you back | 17:06 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang yep we are missing you imho | 17:07 |
| boris-42 | #topic rally info | 17:08 |
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| boris-42 | As there is a lot of new members | 17:08 |
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| boris-42 | could you explain idea of it msdubov ? | 17:08 |
| boris-42 | and share with others that document | 17:08 |
| msdubov | boris-42 Yep, sure, wait a bit | 17:08 |
| msdubov | So first the idea: | 17:09 |
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| msdubov | The 'rally info' command should serve as a helping system built-in in the CLI | 17:09 |
| msdubov | For example you can write "rally info contexts" and get the overall description of what the contexts in Rally are for | 17:10 |
| msdubov | Or "rally info NovaServers.boot_server" => Info about that specific benchmark scenario | 17:10 |
| msdubov | And that info should be retrieved automatically from the docstrings (at least the most of it) | 17:11 |
| msdubov | Here is the link: https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/document/d/1m4HqrbWOfcvi-LKjehJZTeYX1p-TzXeUvfIHhyU9nOI/edit#heading=h.zh97w9nib534 | 17:11 |
| msdubov | The doc contains an overview of what the "rally info" will look like | 17:11 |
| hughsaunders | hey | 17:11 |
| boris-42 | klindgren_ k4n0 coolsvap ^ anybody interested ? | 17:11 |
| msdubov | And also in p.5, there is a work plan | 17:11 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders hey hey=) | 17:12 |
| coolsvap | boris-42: I am already working on one of the CLI, I can have work with msdubov | 17:12 |
| coolsvap | reading the doc | 17:12 |
| boris-42 | coolsvap yep that will be great | 17:13 |
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| kun_huang | msdubov good cmd; are there some first commits? | 17:13 |
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| msdubov | kun_huang, No commits for the "rally info" command but there is currently some work on improving the docstrings (e.g. that patch with rst docs mentioned above) | 17:14 |
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| coolsvap | msdubov: okay | 17:17 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Functional testing | 17:18 |
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| boris-42 | rediskin pls provide in verbose mode what you are doing | 17:19 |
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| rediskin | here is blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rally/+spec/tests-integrated | 17:19 |
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| rediskin | one helper function and one test is done :) | 17:20 |
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| rediskin | https://review.openstack.org/85738 | 17:20 |
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| * boris-42 ^ that was super verbose mode of rediskin lol=) | 17:20 | |
| rediskin | as you can see in work items, next step is command's output format | 17:20 |
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| rediskin | test results you can see in jenkins's comment for every patch (curreenlty last line) | 17:22 |
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| boris-42 | Okay lemme add some info for non related to this stuff | 17:22 |
| rediskin | http://logs.openstack.org/55/89555/11/check/check-rally-cli/bb84bd4/console.html | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | 1) There is special job that is run against every patch in rally | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | You already saw it | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | it's called check-rally-cli | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | if you click on it you'll get ^ that one from rediskin link result | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | rediskin made a special mini framework for that | 17:24 |
| * boris-42 rediskin and it's located here https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/tests_ci/test_cli.py | 17:24 | |
| boris-42 | That job actually run devstack that install openstack & rally | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | and then run all these tests | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | from DeploymentTestCase | 17:25 |
| boris-42 | and other | 17:25 |
| boris-42 | what we need now is to test all CLI commands that we have and check that they works | 17:25 |
| boris-42 | But we have some small issue | 17:25 |
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| boris-42 | They draw "tables" and it's hard to parse them | 17:25 |
| boris-42 | so rediskin said that probably we should add to all commands JSON format as well | 17:25 |
| boris-42 | and then we can test all | 17:26 |
| hughsaunders | +1 | 17:26 |
| rediskin | rally deployment list --output json | 17:26 |
| boris-42 | + it's nice feature (if somebody is going to integrate somewhere rally) | 17:26 |
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| boris-42 | rediskin or --out_format ison | 17:26 |
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| boris-42 | or --rest json lol | 17:27 |
| hughsaunders | what do thethe rporjects use for this? as i think they have started supporting alternative output formats | 17:27 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders not sure they they support alternative outputs | 17:27 |
| hughsaunders | oh, dear terrible touch screen typing! | 17:27 |
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| rediskin | openstack.common.cliutils used in rally | 17:28 |
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| rediskin | there is no support for other formats, only prettytable | 17:28 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders actually it's implementation related | 17:28 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders so I think that we should just implement it | 17:29 |
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| hughsaunders | in common? | 17:30 |
| rediskin | maybe we can make own print_list function and contribute it to upstream | 17:30 |
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| hughsaunders | I must have been confused, cant find an option for alternative formatting in other openstack projects | 17:31 |
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| hughsaunders | but however its implemented, great idea | 17:31 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders sometimes commands prints as well hints | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders and other formatting stuff | 17:32 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders so it's not just about printing tables back in JSON | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders it's just a different output at all | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | rediskin ^ | 17:32 |
| hughsaunders | boris-42: so how would a user split the hints from the json output? | 17:33 |
| rediskin | some unix command have oprtion for "batch-mode" | 17:33 |
| hughsaunders | or would hints be surpressed when json is output? | 17:33 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders read my messages | 17:34 |
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| hughsaunders | boris-42: so you | 17:34 |
| boris-42 | [21:32:01] <boris-42> hughsaunders sometimes commands prints as well hints | 17:34 |
| boris-42 | [21:32:06] <boris-42> hughsaunders and other formatting stuff | 17:34 |
| rediskin | e.g top: -b :Batch-mode operation | 17:34 |
| rediskin | Starts top in 'Batch' mode, which could be useful for sending output from top to other programs or to a file... | 17:34 |
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| boris-42 | [21:32:25] <boris-42> hughsaunders so it's not just about printing tables back in JSON | 17:34 |
| boris-42 | [21:32:32] <boris-42> hughsaunders it's just a different output at all | 17:34 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders rediskin nope guys | 17:34 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders rediskin it's just different output at all | 17:34 |
| hughsaunders | boris-42: so no hints/comments when json is output? | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders rediskin rally detailed for example will print just list | 17:35 |
| hughsaunders | that makes sense as then it will be easy to parse | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders in this list every element is aggregated data | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | {"atomic_table": {}, "scenario_output": xxx, ….} | 17:35 |
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| hughsaunders | ahh, so multiple tables may be encoded into a single json output | 17:38 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders nope | 17:38 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders let's avoid mess | 17:38 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders Pretty user oriented output is one task | 17:39 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders ugly formal json output is another | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders one should be easy for humans another for machines | 17:39 |
| hughsaunders | ok | 17:40 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders cause otherwise we will get something that is hard to use for both humans & machines | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders + mess in code=) | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders with non trivial logic=) | 17:43 |
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| boris-42 | #topic free discussion | 17:46 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders msdubov marcoemorais rediskin k4n0 kun_huang coolsvap amaretskiy anything to discuss? | 17:46 |
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| rockyg | o/ | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | rockyg hi there | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | rockyg wanna discuss rally?) | 17:47 |
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| rockyg | Hi! refstack is having a f2f in SF tomorrow. I was hoping we could get a rally person in the mix. Maybe demo rally? | 17:47 |
| amaretskiy | nothing specific to discuss from me, I'm going to discuss my patches with boris-42 | 17:48 |
| kun_huang | boris-42 nope, I'm reading functional testing discuss | 17:48 |
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| boris-42 | SF?) | 17:48 |
| boris-42 | rockyg ^ | 17:48 |
| rockyg | I think you guys have the UI donw and maybe your UI could have differnt endpoints? Rally, test server, refstack? | 17:48 |
| rockyg | San Feancisco. | 17:49 |
| boris-42 | rockyg oh unfortunately I am now in Moscow... | 17:49 |
| rockyg | ^Francisco | 17:49 |
| boris-42 | rockyg and we don't have anybody in US that is related to rally =( | 17:49 |
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| rockyg | Anyone out in SF bay area? | 17:49 |
| boris-42 | rockyg =( | 17:49 |
| rockyg | Dang. | 17:49 |
| boris-42 | rockyg I was there | 17:49 |
| boris-42 | rockyg recently (about 3 weeks ago) | 17:49 |
| rockyg | Maybe we could do an irc or joinme for a bit? | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | rockyg maybe Hangout call? | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | rockyg I think google hangout is good enough for such things | 17:50 |
| coolsvap | i think hangout is an option | 17:50 |
| rockyg | Yeah, that would work. I'm not sure on times, though because our f2f is 1300-1800 UTC-07 | 17:50 |
| coolsvap | i m waiting on it | 17:50 |
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| rockyg | Cool coolsvap | 17:51 |
| boris-42 | rockyg so I can wake up in 4:30 a.m. | 17:51 |
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| hughsaunders | boris-42: dedication! | 17:51 |
| rockyg | I really want to get some synergy going here and it seems rally UI is likely pretty solid and most advanced of all out there. | 17:51 |
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| boris-42 | rockyg pls could you provide your email | 17:52 |
| rockyg | What is that utc, boris-42? | 17:52 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders +4 | 17:52 |
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| boris-42 | rockyg utc +4 | 17:52 |
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| boris-42 | rockyg so if we make it in 5 a.m. it will be about 6 p.m. in SF | 17:53 |
| rockyg | my email is rockyg@gmail.com and rochelle.grober@huawei.com, but gmail is better for tomorrow. | 17:53 |
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| boris-42 | rockyg works for you? | 17:53 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders wanna some late meeting?) | 17:53 |
| boris-42 | coolsvap are you going to take a part in this stuff? | 17:53 |
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| coolsvap | boris-42: yes | 17:53 |
| boris-42 | coolsvap email then | 17:54 |
| rockyg | I'll get others on board for it. I think a late running meeting is fine. Might get a little pushback, but I can be pushy back;-) | 17:54 |
| coolsvap | coolsvap@gmail.com | 17:54 |
| hughsaunders | boris-42: i may be able to join also | 17:54 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders sorry for such a crazy time | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders I just changed my schedule tied to work till late=) | 17:55 |
| rockyg | that would be cool. a refstack/Rally mini summit | 17:55 |
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| boris-42 | rockyg yep | 17:55 |
| kun_huang | rockyg boris-42 what's the accurate time of that refstack meeting? | 17:56 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders rockyg kun_huang we need to make some party in Moscow | 17:56 |
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| hughsaunders | boris-42: no promises but add me to the hangout and i'll join if i can | 17:56 |
| boris-42 | coolsvap ^ | 17:56 |
| hughsaunders | boris-42: if mirantis is paying ;-) | 17:56 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders hehe=) | 17:56 |
| rockyg | party in Moscow! Maybe after Paris? | 17:56 |
| boris-42 | rockyg maybe before? | 17:57 |
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| rockyg | Gotta get my passport in order! | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | rockyg need to talk with Mirantis=) | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | rockyg about party lol | 17:57 |
| kun_huang | boris-42 rockyg both okay for me. I haven't gone to Europe | 17:57 |
| coolsvap | rockyg: add me for hangout | 17:57 |
| rockyg | <chucckle> | 17:57 |
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| boris-42 | kun_huang wanna as well hangout ? | 17:58 |
| rockyg | OK. Anyone who wants in, post email here so I can refer back to minutes. | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | rockyg coolsvap everybody get invites? | 17:58 |
| kun_huang | rockyg okay | 17:58 |
| hughsaunders | rockyg: hugh@wherenow.org | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | rockyg I already made invite | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | lol | 17:58 |
| hughsaunders | boris-42: just got it.. | 17:59 |
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| rockyg | Kewl! add davidlenwell and zehicle if you can. | 17:59 |
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| boris-42 | rockyg go to rally chat | 17:59 |
| boris-42 | rockyg openstack-rally | 17:59 |
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| boris-42 | so glad to see you guys all | 17:59 |
| rockyg | going now. | 17:59 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 10 17:59:45 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-06-10-16.59.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-06-10-16.59.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-06-10-16.59.log.html | 17:59 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 18:00 |
| kristysiu | hi | 18:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ayoung, bknudson, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, fmarco76, nkinder, lloydm, shrekuma, ksavich | 18:00 |
| ayoung | You made it? | 18:01 |
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| morganfainberg | meeting time! https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:01 |
| stevemar | ahoy | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, just got back this second | 18:01 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, literally sat down. | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | seems like we're light on people today... anyway... | 18:01 |
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| gyee | \o | 18:01 |
| henrynash | hi | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | here we go. | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | #startmeeting keystone | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 10 18:01:59 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is morganfainberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Juno1 Milestone | 18:02 |
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| morganfainberg | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/juno-1 | 18:02 |
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| dstanek | o/ | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | Any changes that aren't gating by EOD today will be pushed toj2 | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | we have 2 changes that need eyes (afaik) | 18:03 |
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| morganfainberg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99075/ | 18:03 |
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| morganfainberg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74214/ | 18:03 |
| gyee | gating is pretty risky these days :) | 18:03 |
| stevemar | i'll take a look at those today | 18:03 |
| dstanek | i will too | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, thats why today is the goal, gives us 2 days? | 18:03 |
| ayoung | last one is pretty solid | 18:03 |
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| ayoung | recommend we get it in and let people beat on it | 18:04 |
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| morganfainberg | lets get the spec for that one in as well | 18:04 |
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| stevemar | ayoung, ++ I think thats the best course of action | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | but we'll hold that topic until later in the meeting (we have a whole section on it!) | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | ok moving on, we have a bunch to cover today | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Hackathon Information | 18:05 |
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| morganfainberg | #link http://dolphm.com/openstack-keystone-hackathon-for-juno | 18:05 |
| henrynash | for mine, teh only changes I will push in later today are moving the ID creation from controller to manager (few real lines of code to change, just lots of tetsing mechanical changes) | 18:05 |
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| henrynash | sorry, topic has moved on | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, ah. | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | #link https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1TlJ2u1ucxpia0SkWbkRo-_5DmVfXEQG7GKYVLc9abfc/viewform?usp=send_form | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | i think everyone has filled out the form | 18:06 |
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| morganfainberg | no new info... just fill out the form if you haven't and you're going | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | see everyone in July in San Antonio | 18:06 |
| stevemar | should be fun | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, we can talk about the differences in spec vs what is in the review shortly | 18:07 |
| henrynash | ok | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Spec Approval Requirements | 18:07 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm isn't here, so we don't get his view on it. | 18:07 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, I'd say it needs to be viewed by the team, with not major objections, and then at least two people go through a spec in depth | 18:08 |
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| ayoung | so anyone on the team can -2 if it is really wrong | 18:08 |
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| ayoung | but we need a way to say "I've looked at it and nothing scares me" | 18:08 |
| ayoung | which is why Iwas thinking "vote in the weekly meeting" | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, a general thumbs up/thumbs down in the meeting and then a really in depth 2x+2 seems reasonable to me | 18:09 |
| gyee | deal | 18:10 |
| bknudson | let's try it | 18:10 |
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| morganfainberg | we should also corner dolphm later today for his input, but i think it lines up. | 18:10 |
| dstanek | sounds reasonable to me | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | cool. | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | no complaints? | 18:10 |
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| morganfainberg | ok now moving onto the bulk of the meeting, the thumbs up/thumbs down for specifications | 18:11 |
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| morganfainberg | #topic Keystone Spec Approvals | 18:11 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, o/ this is all yours | 18:11 |
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| ayoung | OK..hoqdo we do votes here... | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | lead us through it | 18:11 |
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| morganfainberg | startvote i think. | 18:12 |
| ayoung | First one up is | 18:12 |
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| ayoung | Service Token Composite Authorization | 18:12 |
| morganfainberg | #link https://review.openstack.org/96315 | 18:13 |
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| ayoung | Thanks | 18:13 |
| ayoung | #startvote | 18:13 |
| openstack | Only the meeting chair may start a vote. | 18:13 |
| ayoung | hmmm | 18:13 |
| gyee | heh | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | before we vote, any questions on the topic? | 18:13 |
| dstanek | fail! | 18:13 |
| bknudson | I haven't looked at it, but it looks doable to me. | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | Quick intro: this is providing a service-token (e.g. glance service user) to the auth-token middleware | 18:13 |
| bknudson | from scanning through it now | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | then policy can act upon either the x-auth-token or x-service-token | 18:14 |
| gyee | no major objection here | 18:14 |
| bknudson | I think we discussed this on irc | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, we did and at the summit | 18:14 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, what is policy.json going to look like for these? | 18:14 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: i haven't gone through the spec in detail but it looks like what i remember from summit | 18:14 |
| jamielennox | (so +1) | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, TBD, but i think it will be %(service_user_id) or %(service_roles) vs %(role) | 18:15 |
| dstanek | what's the 'different manner'? | 18:15 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, since you are chair, I think you have to #startvote | 18:15 |
| ayoung | http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html#voting | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, yeah sec | 18:15 |
| bknudson | how about update the commit message to say it was discussed at meeting on 2014-06-10 and approved? | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | #startvote Service Token Composite Authorization, do we like the general approach? Yes, no | 18:16 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Service Token Composite Authorization, do we like the general approach? Valid vote options are Yes, no. | 18:16 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:16 |
| bknudson | #vote Yes | 18:16 |
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| gyee | #vote hell yeah | 18:16 |
| openstack | gyee: hell yeah is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, no. | 18:16 |
| ayoung | #vote Yes | 18:16 |
| jamielennox | #vote yes | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | #vote yes | 18:16 |
| henrynash | #vote yes | 18:16 |
| gyee | #vote Yes | 18:16 |
| stevemar | #vote yes | 18:16 |
| dstanek | #vote yes | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i like the idea link to the summary showing approval. | 18:17 |
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| morganfainberg | everyone voted? | 18:17 |
| stevemar | everyone but dolphm | 18:17 |
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| morganfainberg | o | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | #endvote | 18:17 |
| openstack | Voted on "Service Token Composite Authorization, do we like the general approach?" Results are | 18:17 |
| bknudson | too late dolphm, already decided | 18:17 |
| openstack | Yes (8): gyee, dstanek, ayoung, morganfainberg, bknudson, jamielennox, henrynash, stevemar | 18:17 |
| ayoung | OK next up | 18:18 |
| jamielennox | i'll be interested to see how this one works in practice, i'm not sure how easy it'll be to craft policy that works with and without subject tokens | 18:18 |
| ayoung | token versions independent from API versions | 18:18 |
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| morganfainberg | #link https://review.openstack.org/98464 | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | this might actually be better suited for K | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | this would be what leads to the id-only tokens | 18:19 |
| ayoung | So... | 18:19 |
| bknudson | well, we're never going to change identity version again anyways | 18:19 |
| ayoung | do we really want to do this just for Tokens? | 18:19 |
| morganfainberg | it basically amkes token versions independant of the API version | 18:19 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, agree | 18:19 |
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| stevemar | 98464 -> seems no one has reviewed it but lance | 18:19 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, what would be the other options? for all objects (e.g. users, domains, etc)? | 18:19 |
| bknudson | "microversioning" | 18:19 |
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| ayoung | I mean, each of the various entities, or at least top level modules could benefit from this approach | 18:19 |
| ayoung | why token more than, say, user? | 18:19 |
| ayoung | er identity | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i think because we have a real need for limiting token size. | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, vs a nice-to-have | 18:20 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: this is being done as a querystring? | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, would be my only (not so strong) argument | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, that was the original idea | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | default token version in config (or in the case of V2, the API controller) | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | overridable with a query string | 18:21 |
| dstanek | i haven't read the spec...does it was what will vary based on the version? | 18:21 |
| ayoung | accepts header? | 18:21 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: i'm not sure that really makes sense, you would end up in a situation like /v3/auth/tokens?format=v2 | 18:22 |
| bknudson | y, let's figure out a way to do the microversioning | 18:22 |
| bknudson | and let's not do it with a query parameter | 18:22 |
| bknudson | use accepts header | 18:22 |
| ayoung | OK, I'm going to suggest we table this one until it gets more review | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, ++ ok lets table this one and move towards micro-versioning. | 18:22 |
| ayoung | next up | 18:22 |
| bknudson | sounds like don't plan to do it for J anyways | 18:22 |
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| ayoung | api-validation blueprint | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | #link https://review.openstack.org/95957 | 18:23 |
| bknudson | hmm, don't see ldbragst | 18:23 |
| bknudson | let me walk over | 18:23 |
| ayoung | While we are waiting | 18:23 |
| ayoung | please don;t have the name of the spec review begin with "add spec..." | 18:23 |
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| ayoung | Its like, duh | 18:23 |
| ayoung | or as they say here | 18:24 |
| ayoung | der | 18:24 |
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| bknudson | not in. I guess we've got a meeting scheduled over this one | 18:24 |
| bknudson | well, I like the proposal | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | do we defer it then? | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | can vote anyway | 18:25 |
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| ayoung | I'm still OK with this one. I'd like to see bknudson 's comments addressed, but the general approach is strong | 18:25 |
| bknudson | this is one of the things on our security checklist for our products | 18:25 |
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| bknudson | only concern is breaking backwards compat | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | #startvote api-validation specification. Yes, No | 18:25 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 18:25 |
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| dstanek | approach is good...i'm curious to see what this looks like with a fully fleshed out implementation | 18:25 |
| bknudson | #vote Yes | 18:26 |
| dstanek | #vote yes | 18:26 |
| ayoung | try that again morganfainberg | 18:26 |
| marekd | #vote yes | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | #startvote Do we accept the proposal for api-validation? Yes, No | 18:26 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Do we accept the proposal for api-validation? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 18:26 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:26 |
| ayoung | #vote yes | 18:26 |
| marekd | #vote yes | 18:26 |
| bknudson | #vote yes | 18:26 |
| dstanek | #vote yes | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | #yote yes | 18:26 |
| jamielennox | #vote yes | 18:26 |
| stevemar | #vote yes | 18:26 |
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| henrynash | #vote yes | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | looks like everyone | 18:27 |
| stevemar | i was happy with this one a few iterations ago | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | #endvote | 18:27 |
| openstack | Voted on "Do we accept the proposal for api-validation?" Results are | 18:27 |
| openstack | Yes (7): dstanek, ayoung, bknudson, marekd, jamielennox, henrynash, stevemar | 18:27 |
| gyee | I am not comfortable voting on this one as I haven't gone through the details | 18:27 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee, ah, sorry missed you | 18:27 |
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| bknudson | are we voting on the details or on the general approach? | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | general approach | 18:27 |
| ayoung | next up was Cross Backend Unique Identifiers for User and Group Entities but I don't see it | 18:27 |
| ayoung | did it merge? | 18:27 |
| bknudson | I don't like the ugly error message, but other than that think it's a good idea | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | details are for the review | 18:27 |
| bknudson | uniuque IDs merged | 18:27 |
| bknudson | first spec! | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, any updates on the spec vs what is up for the review? | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | before we move on? | 18:28 |
| ayoung | gyee, OK...-1 the spec and up it to +1 or 2 when you are comforatable | 18:28 |
| gyee | ayoung, thanks, I'll definitely review it today | 18:29 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: no, the only differences from the version posted right now and the spec are listed in limiations | 18:29 |
| morganfainberg | ok | 18:29 |
| henrynash | of the commit message | 18:29 |
| ayoung | can we use bugs for spec bugs? | 18:29 |
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| ayoung | Like :spec for X says foo but should say bar. | 18:29 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i'd just propose the change to the spec. | 18:29 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, fair enough | 18:29 |
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| morganfainberg | unless the spec is fully implemented, then bugs are probably the right approach | 18:29 |
| ayoung | next up | 18:29 |
| ayoung | r V3 extension advertisement | 18:30 |
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| bknudson | hey! | 18:30 |
| ayoung | #link https://review.openstack.org/95973 | 18:30 |
| bknudson | any qs? | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | #link https://review.openstack.org/95973 | 18:30 |
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| stevemar | ++++ | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | i'm happy with it as is. | 18:30 |
| stevemar | very happy with it as is | 18:30 |
| bknudson | got a request from dolphm to have the router intercept the GET / request | 18:30 |
| gyee | this is a no-brainer | 18:30 |
| bknudson | so that's the approach proposed | 18:30 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, yeah that works. | 18:30 |
| bknudson | rather than having the controller register | 18:30 |
| ayoung | bknudson, ":.. code-block:: javascript" | 18:30 |
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| morganfainberg | #startvote Accept V3 Extension Advertisement spec? yes, no | 18:31 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Accept V3 Extension Advertisement spec? Valid vote options are yes, no. | 18:31 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:31 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: you don't intend to advertise these from GET / just /v3? | 18:31 |
| bknudson | like is done with admin & public | 18:31 |
| ayoung | #vote yes | 18:31 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: right, just GET /v3. | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | #vote yes | 18:31 |
| henrynash | #vote yes | 18:31 |
| dstanek | #vote yes | 18:31 |
| gyee | #vote yes | 18:31 |
| stevemar | #vote yes | 18:31 |
| jamielennox | #vote yes | 18:31 |
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| stevemar | ayoung, calling it javascript might just be a limitation of sphinx | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | marekd, you want to weigh in? | 18:32 |
| marekd | haven't read it - don't wait :/ | 18:32 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: it would be tricky to have it work with GET / since the controllers don't get to see those. | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | marekd, ok | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | #endvote | 18:32 |
| openstack | Voted on "Accept V3 Extension Advertisement spec?" Results are | 18:32 |
| openstack | yes (7): gyee, dstanek, ayoung, morganfainberg, jamielennox, henrynash, stevemar | 18:32 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: there has been the assumption until now that the information provided at /v3 is a subset of what is provided at /, it means if i hit the version control at / i don't have to do /v3 | 18:32 |
| ayoung | Web Authentication for SAML federated Keystone | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | #link https://review.openstack.org/96867 | 18:32 |
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| marekd | ppl have some concerns here... | 18:33 |
| stevemar | lots of questions on this one still | 18:33 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: maybe there's a way to do it that I haven't thought of | 18:33 |
| marekd | stevemar: ++ | 18:33 |
| ayoung | This one I would say is not quite full baked yet | 18:33 |
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| morganfainberg | should we table this one then? | 18:33 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: i'm not saying the assumption is correct but its going to be a bit of a pain to do both | 18:33 |
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| ayoung | Its on the right track, but I think it might actually require some input from Horizon folks | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, after this mind commenting on the specs that we table saying as much? | 18:33 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:34 |
| stevemar | yeah, so far no input from any horizon folks | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | reasonable to ask horizon to weigh in on this | 18:34 |
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| marekd | and what about addind a 'static webpage' tied directly to Keystone? | 18:34 |
| ayoung | Table? | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | #action ayoung to comment on tabled specification reviews (why and what was decided) | 18:34 |
| ayoung | Next up non-persistent-tokens | 18:34 |
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| morganfainberg | #link https://review.openstack.org/95976 | 18:35 |
| jamielennox | table, at the very least it should be an extension | 18:35 |
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| bknudson | I looked over this one and no real issues with it. Could use more details but I think it's workable | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, ++ | 18:35 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I assume your comments are detail oriented, not show stoppers? | 18:35 |
| ayoung | any of them worth noting? | 18:35 |
| bknudson | there was a question about whether it's discoverable or not | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | a lot of the work on this one is scaffolding so we can make the token presistence redundant | 18:36 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I would say "no" | 18:36 |
| bknudson | also it might be a good idea to split out the token object from persistent tokens | 18:36 |
| ayoung | at least, I see no reason to make it discoverabl | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, that is the data model bit. | 18:36 |
| ayoung | the keystone server can validate using PKI | 18:36 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, it should be more explicit then. | 18:36 |
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| morganfainberg | any questions on the persistence of tokens spec? | 18:37 |
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| morganfainberg | erm non-persistence? | 18:37 |
| ayoung | Note that this depends on widespread consumtion of revocation evetns | 18:37 |
| ayoung | events | 18:37 |
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| ayoung | which is still WIP | 18:37 |
| ayoung | but I don't think there is any question to the validity of the approach | 18:38 |
| bknudson | is there a spec for remaining revocation events work? | 18:38 |
| ayoung | bknudson, let me check | 18:38 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, you may want the security folks to chime in on that one | 18:38 |
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| ayoung | not a new spec, but an old BP I think | 18:38 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee, ++ i'll add securityimpact | 18:38 |
| bknudson | ok, I thought at this point we require specs. | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, we do | 18:39 |
| ayoung | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/+spec/revocation-event-api | 18:39 |
| dstanek | i haven't thought about this one enough to vote on it | 18:39 |
| ayoung | but that does not indicate Auth Token middleware...I'll work up a spec for the Auth Token work. | 18:39 |
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| morganfainberg | ok | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | well lets quick vote, i'll add a 3rd option going forward, table | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | #startvote Accept Non-Persistence of tokens Spec? Yes, No, Table | 18:40 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Accept Non-Persistence of tokens Spec? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Table. | 18:40 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:40 |
| bknudson | #vote table | 18:40 |
| ayoung | #vote yes | 18:40 |
| dstanek | #vote table | 18:40 |
| * morganfainberg abstains. | 18:40 | |
| gyee | #vote table | 18:40 |
| jamielennox | #vote i love the approach but i think it's too soon | 18:40 |
| openstack | jamielennox: i love the approach but i think it's too soon is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No, Table. | 18:40 |
| jamielennox | :( | 18:40 |
| jamielennox | #vote table | 18:40 |
| marekd | #vote table | 18:41 |
| henrynash | #vote yes | 18:41 |
| ayoung | Are we really not happy with the spec? | 18:41 |
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| ayoung | It has dependencies, but the approach is right | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i think we need the revocations evtents spec | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | before we can accept this one | 18:41 |
| ayoung | why? | 18:41 |
| gyee | ayoung, I am not sure if we fully flush out the implications yet | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | w/o the dependencies, we can't implement this completely | 18:41 |
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| ayoung | We need Auth token middleware to accept them, but the logic cor that is well established | 18:42 |
| ayoung | cor -> for | 18:42 |
| ayoung | the API spec is up for review | 18:42 |
| ayoung | and the events are part of the server | 18:42 |
| jamielennox | also morganfainberg is lining up a lot of work for himself | 18:42 |
| ayoung | so, no, I don't think we *need* it, but it can't hurt to have it laid out | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, sure, i think if that spec was accepted then this one could be. lets revisit next week if its an issue i'll gut the persistence part and make it only the scaffolding work. | 18:42 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | #endvote | 18:43 |
| openstack | Voted on "Accept Non-Persistence of tokens Spec?" Results are | 18:43 |
| openstack | Table (5): bknudson, dstanek, gyee, marekd, jamielennox | 18:43 |
| openstack | Yes (2): henrynash, ayoung | 18:43 |
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| ayoung | audit support for federation | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | tabled till next week, might require reduction in scope for J | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | #link https://review.openstack.org/97581 | 18:43 |
| bknudson | have not looked at this one | 18:43 |
| stevemar | it's got a few issues with it | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | i think this one is fairly straightforward | 18:44 |
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| morganfainberg | but the issues are all in details not approach | 18:44 |
| stevemar | i think i might upload a new version soon if topol doesn't get around to it | 18:44 |
| gyee | yeah, this one seem like a no-brainer | 18:44 |
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| bknudson | I assume it's using and extending the current auditing | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, yes | 18:44 |
| stevemar | bknudson, yep | 18:44 |
| bknudson | rather than starting something new | 18:44 |
| ayoung | I would like to see some sort of test listener | 18:44 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, jsut expanding to federation work. | 18:44 |
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| ayoung | something that a Keystone admin could run to confirm that the events are being emitted | 18:44 |
| stevemar | as it stands only events that call auth controller are logged | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | i think we can vote on this one, remember the vote is general approach | 18:45 |
| bknudson | we've got a request to enable notifications by default | 18:45 |
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| stevemar | something that seems worth doing | 18:45 |
| ayoung | And the red blocks from whitespace burn my eyes | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, right. | 18:45 |
| stevemar | ayoung, i'll upload a new version today :) | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | #startvote Audit Notifications for Federation? Yes, No, Table | 18:45 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Audit Notifications for Federation? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Table. | 18:45 |
| dstanek | I don't see a lot of info in the proposed changes section | 18:45 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:45 |
| bknudson | #vote yes | 18:45 |
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| stevemar | #vote yes | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | #vote yes | 18:45 |
| ayoung | #vote yes | 18:45 |
| marekd | #vote yes | 18:45 |
| gyee | #vote yes | 18:45 |
| henrynash | #vote table | 18:45 |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek, i think it's a small amount of changes | 18:46 |
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| henrynash | #vote yes | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, it's really about adding a decorator i think. | 18:46 |
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| dstanek | #vote no - i have no idea what's actually changing :-( | 18:46 |
| openstack | dstanek: no - i have no idea what's actually changing :-( is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No, Table. | 18:46 |
| dstanek | #vote table | 18:46 |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek, try again :P | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | anyone want to switch to table? | 18:47 |
| jamielennox | #vote yes | 18:47 |
| dstanek | i'd love to know more before voting | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | going in 3 | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | #endvote | 18:47 |
| openstack | Voted on "Audit Notifications for Federation?" Results are | 18:47 |
| openstack | Table (1): dstanek | 18:47 |
| openstack | Yes (8): gyee, ayoung, morganfainberg, bknudson, marekd, jamielennox, henrynash, stevemar | 18:47 |
| gyee | dstanek, no peer pressure here :) | 18:47 |
| jamielennox | dstanek: but i agree, given that i know we want to do auditing i don't learn much from the spec | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | i think this yes is contigent on using the same notifiers as we currently use | 18:47 |
| ayoung | dstanek, -1 the review and comment on what you want to see, please | 18:47 |
| bknudson | henrynash voted for all 3 | 18:47 |
| dstanek | ayoung: of course | 18:47 |
| henrynash | bknudson: well, I dint vote no | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | ok, next up? | 18:48 |
| ayoung | Next up JSON Home | 18:48 |
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| ayoung | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97359/ | 18:48 |
| bknudson | if the spec turns out to be a disaster hopefully the Yes vote here isn't binding | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | i'll be honest i haven't looked at it | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, nah yes isn't binding | 18:48 |
| bknudson | btw, I just wrote this up because it's interesting | 18:48 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, Yes means "I have no serious objections" | 18:48 |
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| bknudson | wasn't planning to even work on it unless I had some time. | 18:49 |
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| bknudson | also, someone might say do this rather than the v3 extension advertisement | 18:49 |
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| morganfainberg | #startvote JSON Home Spec? Yes, No, Table | 18:49 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: JSON Home Spec? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Table. | 18:49 |
| ayoung | Oooh | 18:49 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:49 |
| dstanek | i think this is great | 18:49 |
| dstanek | #vote yes | 18:49 |
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| * morganfainberg has to abstain because i haven't read it in depth | 18:49 | |
| morganfainberg | or at all | 18:49 |
| gyee | so JSON home will eventually deprecate the current scheme? | 18:50 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, then vote table | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | #vote table | 18:50 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: did you find any libraries that could deal with jsonhome? | 18:50 |
| bknudson | gyee: there is really no current scheme | 18:50 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: I didn't look for a library | 18:50 |
| gyee | bknudson, current version discovery I mean | 18:50 |
| bknudson | gyee: right, it would cover current version discovery | 18:51 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: it's not all that well defined but there is definetly a current scheme and it's at least similar across most openstack services | 18:51 |
| bknudson | so hopefully we'd deprecate the current way | 18:51 |
| ayoung | #vote table | 18:51 |
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| ayoung | Lets get the library and some more eyes on this before we say OK | 18:51 |
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| jamielennox | #vote table | 18:51 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: there was a project that was using it... marconi maybe | 18:51 |
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| henrynash | #vote yes | 18:52 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: yea, marconi was what i was thinking - but honestly i think if i was TC an incubation requirement would be to use a similar format to everyone else | 18:52 |
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| gyee | bknudson, did we discuss this at one of the cross-project sessions? | 18:52 |
| jamielennox | (whatever that is) | 18:52 |
| bknudson | they'll both work | 18:52 |
| bknudson | gyee: I don't think it was discussed, there's been some mailing list discussion | 18:52 |
| gyee | #vote yes | 18:53 |
| gyee | anything for consistency | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | anyone else? | 18:53 |
| gyee | next up, pagination! | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | in 3 | 18:53 |
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| morganfainberg | #endvote | 18:53 |
| openstack | Voted on "JSON Home Spec?" Results are | 18:53 |
| openstack | Table (3): ayoung, morganfainberg, jamielennox | 18:53 |
| openstack | Yes (3): henrynash, gyee, dstanek | 18:53 |
| bknudson | a tie! | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | Even keel | 18:53 |
| dstanek | i'm getting better at this voting thing | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, hehe | 18:54 |
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| morganfainberg | lets look into a library, with a library i'm a yes | 18:54 |
| ayoung | Lets try to revisit this one next week. | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, ++ | 18:54 |
| ayoung | Next up Session tokens | 18:54 |
| ayoung | OIK...little bit of background | 18:54 |
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| ayoung | Horizon does unspeakable things with tokens | 18:54 |
| ayoung | well, everyone does, byut horizon particularly | 18:55 |
| ayoung | Horizon really needs sessions, not tokens, to maintain a cache of the userid and password | 18:55 |
| ayoung | if we do a session, the rules would be different than they are for tokens: | 18:55 |
| bknudson | horizon must have sessions | 18:55 |
| bknudson | it's part of django | 18:55 |
| ayoung | bknudson, yeah, but not in its connection with Keystone | 18:55 |
| ayoung | so | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, right now they use the keystone token (effectively) as the session | 18:55 |
| ayoung | Horizon doesn't hold on to password | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, and store that in ... the session object | 18:56 |
| ayoung | it uses a keystone token, and passes one scoped token to keystone to get another scoped differently | 18:56 |
| ayoung | this is kida wrong | 18:56 |
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| ayoung | least privilege says "got from unscoped to scoped only" | 18:56 |
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| ayoung | but also, if we shorted the token lifespan any shorter, we are going to be kicking people out of horizon even when they are actively using it | 18:57 |
| jamielennox | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96648/ | 18:57 |
| ayoung | a session should last about 10 minutes | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | (configurable) | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | and can be extended | 18:57 |
| ayoung | yes | 18:57 |
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| ayoung | if the user actively contacts the server, the session shsoulkd be extended | 18:57 |
| bknudson | I don't see how a session token is going to work with pki... the doc has the expiration time | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | 2 minutes. | 18:58 |
| ayoung | bknudson, it has to be done via keystone | 18:58 |
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| ayoung | handthe old session back, get a new one, or some comparable mechanism | 18:58 |
| dstanek | what can you do with a session token? just exchange it for a scoped token? | 18:58 |
| bknudson | it's only unscoped? | 18:58 |
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| ayoung | correct | 18:58 |
| ayoung | to both of you | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | #startvote Session Tokens Spec? yes, no, table | 18:58 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Session Tokens Spec? Valid vote options are yes, no, table. | 18:58 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | keep talking just gettnig the vote going. | 18:59 |
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| morganfainberg | personally, i like the idea and would love to see it | 18:59 |
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| morganfainberg | and the general principle is sound | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | imo | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | #vote yes | 18:59 |
| * ayoung abstains | 18:59 | |
| gyee | #vote table | 18:59 |
| bknudson | #vote table | 19:00 |
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| bknudson | Haven't looked at it. | 19:00 |
| bknudson | also, we're out of time | 19:00 |
| morganfainberg | we're at the end, feel free to table and we can circle back | 19:00 |
| gyee | like non-persistence one, we need more in-depth study on the impact as it fundamentally changed how Horizon operates | 19:00 |
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| ayoung | close out the vote before we close the meeting, please | 19:00 |
| morganfainberg | ok lets circle back on this one. | 19:00 |
| jamielennox | i want more information | 19:00 |
| morganfainberg | #endvote | 19:00 |
| openstack | Voted on "Session Tokens Spec?" Results are | 19:00 |
| openstack | table (2): gyee, bknudson | 19:00 |
| openstack | yes (1): morganfainberg | 19:00 |
| morganfainberg | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 10 19:00:56 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-06-10-18.01.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-06-10-18.01.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-06-10-18.01.log.html | 19:01 |
| fungi | infra team assemble! | 19:01 |
| fungi | pinging (for listed agenda items) mordred reed rdopiera ianw anteaya | 19:01 |
| reed | o/ | 19:01 |
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| krotscheck | o/ | 19:01 |
| ianw | o/ (but the agenda item is from last week) | 19:01 |
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| pleia2 | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | ianw: okay, i can skip that if you have no updates | 19:01 |
| anteaya | o/ | 19:02 |
| clarkb | o/ | 19:02 |
| reed | gotta kill firefox every day at least once... something's off | 19:02 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:02 |
| ianw | fungi: nothing for the meeting, thanks | 19:02 |
| fungi | SergeyLukjanov: around? | 19:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yup | 19:02 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 19:02 |
| fungi | i think we have quorum | 19:02 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 10 19:02:40 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| jesusaurus | o/ | 19:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | fungi, ++ | 19:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and I think I have a big latency ;) | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:03 |
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| anteaya | I like the quick topics | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-06-03-19.02.html | 19:03 |
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| fungi | there were none | 19:03 |
| fungi | (that was quick) | 19:03 |
| anteaya | :D | 19:04 |
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| fungi | #topic Manage-projects status (fungi, mordred) | 19:04 |
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| fungi | mordred fixed a new bug today | 19:04 |
| mordred | fungi: I pushed a patch to fix the current issue | 19:04 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/99136 | 19:04 |
| mordred | it was a fun one | 19:04 |
| mordred | everyone should marvel at its wonder | 19:04 |
| fungi | i haven't gone back to see if the recently added projects are updated yet | 19:04 |
| clarkb | huh how did that sneak in | 19:05 |
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| mordred | clarkb: it came in during the exception error cleanup | 19:05 |
| clarkb | ah | 19:05 |
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| mordred | and it's one of those places where the backwards logic makes your head spin | 19:05 |
| * anteaya marvels | 19:05 | |
| clarkb | mordred: go bourne? | 19:05 |
| mordred | clarkb: :) | 19:06 |
| fungi | also there's still an open review to add some extra race safety around acl creation... no idea if it's actually needed any longer | 19:06 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/94684 | 19:06 |
| fungi | anything else to cover on this before i move to the next topic? | 19:06 |
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| clarkb | fungi: I think we can be defensive and mrege that change | 19:07 |
| fungi | #topic Review proposal to move Activity Board fully under openstack-infra (reed) | 19:07 |
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| clarkb | I will rereview | 19:07 |
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| fungi | thx | 19:07 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2014-June/001292.html | 19:07 |
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| fungi | reed: apologies for not following up yet. it's been a crazy week. i think mordred replied a couple times on that thread though | 19:08 |
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| mordred | I have. I think we're making progress in the thread | 19:08 |
| reed | #info the gist of it is that we're going to need assistance in order to achieve that. Bitergia is not self-sufficient and being an external provider it may become quite expensive. | 19:08 |
| mordred | I think we can make the puppet without problems, I read through their docs | 19:08 |
| mordred | but I think we may need slightly more detailed install instructions from them | 19:08 |
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| rdopieralski | hi | 19:09 |
| reed | mordred: i think so too, the basic install shouldn't be too complicated | 19:09 |
| mordred | the stackalytics install instructions I referenced are a great example of about the level of detail we need | 19:09 |
| reed | I'll have them provide those | 19:09 |
| fungi | rdopieralski: welcome... you haven't missed your topic yet, so just hang in there | 19:09 |
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| mordred | reed: it took me about an hour to puppet stackalytics, so I dont' think it'll take long to do activity board | 19:09 |
| rdopieralski | fungi: thank you | 19:10 |
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| reed | there are other 'puppetification' jobs we need to do, too, askbot for example | 19:10 |
| clarkb | mordred: cool | 19:10 |
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| clarkb | reed: ugh | 19:10 |
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| clarkb | reed: as long as I don't have to do it <_< | 19:10 |
| mordred | clarkb: askbot might not be as bad anymore since we've got postgres in puppet at this point | 19:10 |
| mordred | although it woudl be eversonice if it would run on mysql so we could use rax cloud dbs | 19:10 |
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| reed | clarkb, and this time we have the head developer on board :) | 19:11 |
| clarkb | I mean yes we could just postgres it | 19:11 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:11 |
| reed | Evgeny agreed that it would be a good idea to do it | 19:11 |
| mordred | let's get activity done first | 19:11 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:11 |
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| reed | yes, I agree, activity first because it's 1) easier and 2) askbot requires a bit more thoughts on a more resilient architecture, too | 19:12 |
| fungi | mordred: i'm still a little twitchy about rackspace's trove service since it's query socket is accessible from all tenants in the same region... we might want to hold off putting more stuff in it until we get a better comfort level for that | 19:12 |
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| mordred | fungi: we can get iccha1 to fix that now! | 19:13 |
| reed | #task reed to ask Bitergia to provide detailed instructions to run the grimoire suite | 19:13 |
| fungi | (though it sounds like neutron is needed to be able to address it) | 19:13 |
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| mordred | fungi: several things are needed I believe, but yeah | 19:13 |
| reed | next topic? | 19:13 |
| mordred | fungi: we could always move to just running our own galera cluster in which all of our dbs lay with ssl cert-based auth ... | 19:14 |
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| fungi | #topic Review proposal towards a better integration of gerrit and openstack people db (reed) | 19:14 |
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| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2014-June/001297.html | 19:14 |
| fungi | another awesome e-mail i'm sorry i haven't replied to yet. it's flagged for attention still :/ | 19:14 |
| reed | so, this one is detailed in a blog post by me, etherpad and blueprint | 19:14 |
| reed | no problem | 19:14 |
| reed | the TL;DR version: | 19:15 |
| reed | we're going to build a directory of people involved in openstack | 19:15 |
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| reed | built on top of the current 'members' database, and exposing OpenID services | 19:16 |
| morganfainberg | yeah. | 19:16 |
| anteaya | please no pictures | 19:16 |
| morganfainberg | that was a topic from the summit | 19:16 |
| reed | the database will not be of Foundation members | 19:16 |
| morganfainberg | this is the replacement for LP SSO right? | 19:16 |
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| reed | not only, at least, multiple roles are envisioned | 19:16 |
| fungi | morganfainberg: right, and more | 19:16 |
| morganfainberg | well one of the roles. | 19:16 |
| reed | morganfainberg, yes, also | 19:16 |
| morganfainberg | yep | 19:16 |
| morganfainberg | as i said at the summit, count me on this front. ahppy to help | 19:17 |
| mordred | woot | 19:17 |
| clarkb | one concern on my end is we need to make sure doing something other than openid is feasible | 19:17 |
| reed | Right now we have members==developers, speakers, voters to talks and a few other smaller roles | 19:17 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: ++ | 19:17 |
| morganfainberg | unfortunately ubuntu running freeipa (longer view) wont... really occur, though fedora if could [again if we wanted to move away from the peopledb info] | 19:17 |
| reed | clarkb, why? until now I have insisted on openid because my understanding is that gerrit won't do anything but openid | 19:18 |
| morganfainberg | s/if/it | 19:18 |
| anteaya | since gerrit is changing its auth strategy | 19:18 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb, what auth strategies do we need? | 19:18 |
| clarkb | reed: gerrit is potentialyl removing openid | 19:18 |
| mordred | reed: gerrit will also do ldap - and yes, upstream gerrit is starting to want to make openid go away | 19:18 |
| * reed yells at the cloud | 19:18 | |
| clarkb | mordred and zaro have pinged them and it looks like we may get an openid plugin | 19:18 |
| mordred | morganfainberg: I thought freeipa on ubuntu was coming? | 19:18 |
| clarkb | but I wasn't super convinced given spearce's stance | 19:18 |
| mordred | clarkb: awesome | 19:18 |
| morganfainberg | ok LDAP is easy | 19:18 |
| morganfainberg | mordred, it's... slow | 19:18 |
| reed | ldap is crap | 19:19 |
| morganfainberg | mordred, i'm still trying to lean on people to get resources | 19:19 |
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| clarkb | I think starting with openid is great | 19:19 |
| mordred | reed: well, let's not go to the "is crap" place just yet | 19:19 |
| clarkb | we have openid today and will have it tomorrow | 19:19 |
| mordred | clarkb: ++ | 19:19 |
| morganfainberg | mordred, but it's hard to get commitment on it. | 19:19 |
| reed | anyway, this is largely independent from the crap we have to deal with :) | 19:19 |
| clarkb | just keep in mind that openid may not be the only thing we need to do | 19:19 |
| mordred | reed: yes | 19:19 |
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| fungi | gerrit will actually do other things besides openid now and has for a while (for example ldap) | 19:19 |
| morganfainberg | mordred, it might be if we do FreeIPA we run fedora for those boxen until ubutnu is stable+happy | 19:19 |
| reed | currently the OpenID service is just a php app built on top of a couple of database tables | 19:19 |
| morganfainberg | it's coming, just might be longer than this dev cycle | 19:20 |
| mordred | I think clarkb's point is excellent - in making the db, we should keep in mind we might want to put more than one access method on top of it | 19:20 |
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| mordred | morganfainberg: well ... our biggest problem is the fedora lifecycle - but we can come back to that | 19:20 |
| fungi | but yes, i agree that openid is a good initial target and then we just need to make sure it's not designed to make it harder than necessary to hook in other protocols later as needed | 19:20 |
| reed | now, the reason for this topic in the agenda is that I'd like to make sure that we design the tables and the database to keep into account all of the things that gerrit needs | 19:20 |
| morganfainberg | reed, there was some desire to not use the people db info directly, some data that shouldn't be used? | 19:20 |
| morganfainberg | i think i remember | 19:20 |
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| reed | morganfainberg, not sure I follow... do you remember something more? | 19:21 |
| mordred | reed, morganfainberg: I believe they were talking about wanting to be able to split the db into people db and then also some of the info that the foundation might need that the project might not want access to | 19:21 |
| morganfainberg | reed, there was extra data in the people db there was concern about exposing | 19:21 |
| mordred | that ^^ | 19:21 |
| reed | right ... | 19:21 |
| reed | the DB itself won't be publicly available, ever, there are personal data in there that we're not allowed to share | 19:21 |
| mordred | because ultimately we want to be able to operate the people db in infra, but we don't want to have secrets in there that it would be inappropriate for infra to be privy to | 19:22 |
| morganfainberg | mordred, ++ | 19:22 |
| fungi | yeah, separation of concerns... not just dumping it all together | 19:22 |
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| reed | right now running the people DB in infra is not an option | 19:22 |
| fungi | agreed | 19:22 |
| morganfainberg | it might make sense to separate concerns and sync the important infra-safe info to the new db somehow? | 19:22 |
| morganfainberg | to begin with. | 19:22 |
| morganfainberg | or is that biting off too much/boiling the ocean | 19:22 |
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| reed | morganfainberg, boiling :) | 19:23 |
| fungi | from what i understand more refactoring of the current database is needed to separate out authentication and basic account info from foundation membership stuff | 19:23 |
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| reed | fungi, exactly | 19:23 |
| morganfainberg | reed, fair enough. lets use what we have and then work on a split. | 19:23 |
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| fungi | the idea i think is that we get a toehold by running the openid service connecting to the current database with some constraints on the db server end and then try to get a new authentication/accounts db separate from it running in parallel | 19:24 |
| reed | new database will need to have all the details for gerrit to authorize commits, and contain also status about each person: is that person a developer? a speaker? something else? | 19:24 |
| fungi | the migration could be piecemeal if we do it carefully | 19:24 |
| morganfainberg | fungi, ++ | 19:24 |
| morganfainberg | reed, i'd like to circle back on that and see about something like FreeIPA (if possible) when we split vs. just-another-SQL-back-end | 19:24 |
| reed | this is also an attempt at simplyfing *a lot* the onboarding of new developers | 19:24 |
| clarkb | is the intent to keep the existing HTTP request to db get back 200 for signed CLA? | 19:25 |
| clarkb | er keep that process? | 19:25 |
| clarkb | in that case gerrit doesn't need to know anything really | 19:25 |
| fungi | clarkb: i think we should be able to replace that | 19:25 |
| clarkb | fungi: how? | 19:25 |
| reed | clarkb, not if we can make it better | 19:25 |
| clarkb | I think I am missing that important piece | 19:25 |
| * mordred is too | 19:25 | |
| mordred | fungi: can you splain? | 19:25 |
| clarkb | if we do have this magical pony | 19:25 |
| clarkb | how do we interact with it? because that will help determine the size and shape of this thing | 19:26 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:26 |
| fungi | clarkb: leave the cla signing in but drop the contactstore connection. instead the openid data should be sufficient to (hopefully) marry to group membership api calls now that those exist and now that all clas in current gerrit are group-based not tracked in separate tables | 19:26 |
| reed | we want to get to a place where openstackid.org shows profile pages for each person involved in openstack | 19:26 |
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| mordred | fungi: you're suggesting that the openid thing simply doesn't auth if the person doesn't have the CLA? | 19:27 |
| reed | person creates an account, goes to groups.openstack.org, checks things there... | 19:27 |
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| fungi | mordred: no, not at all suggesting that | 19:27 |
| reed | maybe later signs the CLA, commits code, maybe later becomes a member of the foundation, a speaker... etc | 19:27 |
| reed | all with one identity managed by us | 19:27 |
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| clarkb | fungi: so we would be going back to syncing against an openid service? | 19:28 |
| morganfainberg | reed, so o.o properties would be SSO to this system | 19:28 |
| mordred | ok. I get all that. I have two questions that I would like asnwered | 19:28 |
| fungi | mordred: suggesting that the reason we did the contactstore thing was twofold... to make sure the contributor was a foundation member first and to track the correlation to their gerrit account (the latter of which was never done entirely properly anyway) | 19:28 |
| clarkb | fungi: just with API calls isntead of direct DB manipulation? | 19:28 |
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| fungi | but for anyone to sign the cla in gerrit, they have to log into gerrit, which now means they have an openid account in our openid provider | 19:28 |
| reed | morganfainberg, SSO would be cool but until now, all the design choices depend on what gerrit provides... openid I was told and openid I had implemented | 19:28 |
| morganfainberg | reed, sure. | 19:28 |
| mordred | fungi: ah. ok | 19:28 |
| fungi | clarkb: syncing? not needed this way as far as i know | 19:29 |
| clarkb | fungi: I see so we would purely rely on the data provided by openid | 19:29 |
| mordred | fungi: so how does the foundation get information that a user has signed the CLA? | 19:29 |
| reed | mordred: right nkow the foundation doesn't know that | 19:29 |
| fungi | gerrit handles cla signing and enforcement. it auto-adds users to per-cla gerrit groups now. there is also an api call to enumerate group members in gerrit | 19:29 |
| mordred | ok | 19:29 |
| clarkb | so we would sync the other direction and that is where the APIs come into play | 19:30 |
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| fungi | yep | 19:30 |
| reed | mordred: in fact, the foundation needs to query gerrit directly to find the list of ATCs | 19:30 |
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| mordred | seems fine to me | 19:30 |
| fungi | the foundation can, when and as often as it wants, query gerrit to find out who's signed the cla | 19:30 |
| mordred | I like it | 19:30 |
| clarkb | ya I think that should work fine | 19:30 |
| fungi | via a rest api now even | 19:30 |
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| fungi | so between having openid authentication info and the cla lookups, the foundation can correlate whatever they need | 19:31 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:31 |
| fungi | where gerrit is concerned | 19:31 |
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| clarkb | so the data would be whatever gerrit thinks it should know about at https://review.openstack.org/#/settings/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/settings/contact | 19:32 |
| anteaya | much better relationship | 19:32 |
| reed | indeed, instead of counting on email lookups that sometimes fail with obscure error messages | 19:32 |
| fungi | clarkb: so the outstanding question which someone hopefully finds time to look into soon is how much gerrit will import from openid. i know it does e-mail address and username... | 19:33 |
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| fungi | i suspect it does not do group membership updates from openid, but hopefully we don't need that | 19:33 |
| reed | the process to onboard a new developer will be extremely linear, no back and forth between 3 accounts | 19:33 |
| mordred | group memberships is an openid extension | 19:33 |
| reed | fungi, gerrit may not need to know about that... | 19:34 |
| mordred | gerrit does not consume it - launchpad provided it but we had to do that db sync script hell to get group info | 19:34 |
| fungi | yeah, and one i'm assuming gerrit doesn't make use of | 19:34 |
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| clarkb | which should be fine | 19:34 |
| morganfainberg | sounds like a question for zaro | 19:34 |
| fungi | right, that 'splains why we didn't make use of it for gerrit | 19:34 |
| reed | are you talking about groups as in 'programs'? | 19:34 |
| fungi | reed: agreed | 19:34 |
| morganfainberg | but, i don't think gerrit does consume that | 19:34 |
| clarkb | it keeps gerrit group membership in gerrit rather than cores needing to use $thingoverthere to manage the groups | 19:34 |
| mordred | yup | 19:34 |
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| fungi | reed: no, meaning if we wanted to control things like acls via group membership managed from the openid end rather than directly in gerrit, but probably not necessary or even desirable anyway | 19:35 |
| reed | let's be clear: when I talk about 'groups' in the openid (let's call it this way at the moment) is more similar to 'affiliation' | 19:35 |
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| mordred | like, "Monty works for HP" | 19:35 |
| clarkb | ya I don't think it is desireable | 19:35 |
| mordred | not "Monty is Infra Cre" | 19:35 |
| fungi | right, so not a concern | 19:35 |
| mordred | s/re/ore/ | 19:35 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:35 |
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| zaro | morganfainberg: sorry i don't know, would need to dig. | 19:36 |
| mordred | it will be data that things like stackalytics and activity board could mine | 19:36 |
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| reed | mordred: right, we want to have the manager of a team specify who works for him/her on the 'People Directory' | 19:36 |
| * reed notes that this thing needs a name | 19:36 | |
| morganfainberg | zaro, no worries. sounds like it's a non-issue | 19:36 |
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| anteaya | really? | 19:36 |
| anteaya | we want work organization trees? | 19:36 |
| anteaya | or openstack organization trees? | 19:36 |
| fungi | anteaya: for tracking the corporate cla | 19:36 |
| anteaya | oh | 19:36 |
| reed | anteaya, yes, for a couple of reasons | 19:36 |
| mordred | reed: biggest thing I think we need there so that the reporting thigns can do the right thing... | 19:37 |
| reed | CCLA is one, reporting is another | 19:37 |
| fungi | but also for member company contribution metrics in aggregate | 19:37 |
| mordred | reed: is making sure we're keeping data-warehouse style data ranges for affiliations | 19:37 |
| reed | mordred: next step will be to have an API service on top of this database | 19:37 |
| anteaya | k | 19:37 |
| reed | an API that stackalytics, git-dm, bitergia and the world can query | 19:38 |
| reed | we'll have to sit down and design that | 19:38 |
| morganfainberg | reed, so, the READ part of CRUD | 19:38 |
| anteaya | I like that someone can change call signs and it makes no nevermind to the rest of us | 19:38 |
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| reed | morganfainberg, indeed | 19:39 |
| reed | so, how do we proceed? | 19:39 |
| fungi | anteaya: yes, but large companies donating funds and people to the effort want to be able to show the "money people" what they're accomplishing with that | 19:39 |
| reed | the blueprint and spec need feedback | 19:39 |
| anteaya | fungi: true, they do | 19:39 |
| anteaya | did the inital spec commit merge yet? | 19:39 |
| morganfainberg | reed, have links for those handy? (i can look up if not) | 19:39 |
| fungi | anteaya: i should have put that on the agenda. inserting it as a quick topic now | 19:40 |
| anteaya | thanks | 19:40 |
| reed | morganfainberg, from the email: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2014-June/001297.html | 19:40 |
| morganfainberg | reed, tyvm | 19:40 |
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| fungi | okay, so anything else on that? we've got about 15 minutes left | 19:42 |
| fungi | was definitely good to get an update and call to action there | 19:42 |
| reed | fungi, I'm good, as long as I get comments on the blueprint :) | 19:42 |
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| fungi | yes, i will make a note to provide some feedback, please everyone with interest do the same | 19:43 |
| fungi | #topic Infra specs (fungi) | 19:43 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/94440 | 19:43 |
| fungi | please let's get this put to bed. there are now numerous specs changes waiting on it | 19:43 |
| anteaya | yes | 19:43 |
| anteaya | do merge | 19:43 |
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| anteaya | then we can look at other specs | 19:44 |
| fungi | mordred: clarkb: jhesketh: please weigh in on that | 19:44 |
| clarkb | fungi: I mean I weighed in, it won't work :P | 19:44 |
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| clarkb | fungi: should we just go ahead and address comments and shove it through? | 19:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ++ for merging | 19:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 19:44 |
| morganfainberg | as somethng keystone just went through, have you decided what the spec approval process is? standard +2/+2/+A? | 19:44 |
| morganfainberg | just so there isn't a question when it comes time to approve specs. | 19:45 |
| fungi | clarkb: i think so, if the comments are blockers | 19:45 |
| clarkb | fungi: not being able to build the resulting document seems like a blocker to me but I didn't -1 because you can still review specs without it | 19:45 |
| mordred | clarkb: the doc doesn't build? | 19:45 |
| fungi | yeah, we're not yet publishing them other than as drafts anyway, so i wasn't too worried about it, but it's trivial to fix | 19:45 |
| clarkb | mordred: see my comment, it won't find docs under subdirs like implemented/ | 19:46 |
| anteaya | +1 address comments and shove it though | 19:46 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94440/3/doc/source/index.rst | 19:46 |
| fungi | for clark's concern | 19:46 |
| mordred | clarkb: lemme pull it then - I hacked on the heat one to fix its doc build | 19:46 |
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| mordred | oh - or your thing | 19:46 |
| fungi | anyway, didn't want to take up too much time with this topic, just wanted to make sure to get it on everyone's radar | 19:46 |
| mordred | yeah. I'll go look at it. | 19:46 |
| clarkb | mordred: are you volunteering to fix the issues real quick? | 19:47 |
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| anteaya | fix and merge is my stance | 19:47 |
| clarkb | I don't think there is anything contentious just details needed to make it work properly | 19:47 |
| mordred | clarkb: I'm volunteering to think about it | 19:47 |
| mordred | :) | 19:47 |
| clarkb | :) ok | 19:47 |
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| fungi | #topic Request for comments on the horizon split plan (rdopiera) | 19:47 |
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| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-split-plan | 19:47 |
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| mordred | I, for one, welcome our new split horizon overlords | 19:47 |
| morganfainberg | mordred, ++ | 19:48 |
| fungi | this seems to have been fleshed out a lot more now | 19:48 |
| anteaya | rdopieralski: my comment is the same one I made on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95716/ | 19:48 |
| fungi | i tried to keep up with the related threads on the -dev ml but probably missed some of the issues | 19:48 |
| rdopieralski | anteaya: yes, I will make a new group for that | 19:48 |
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| mordred | " in horizon, add django_horizon to requirements.txt, as -e path-to-the-repo" | 19:48 |
| rdopieralski | anteaya: thank you | 19:48 |
| anteaya | rdopieralski: I agree with markmc that expecting core to admin 16 repos in stackforge is odd | 19:48 |
| mordred | please no | 19:48 |
| anteaya | rdopieralski: k, thanks | 19:48 |
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| mordred | that needs to be as a refernce to the master tarball on tarballs.o.o | 19:49 |
| rdopieralski | mordred: great, thank you | 19:49 |
| mordred | (updated etherpad) | 19:49 |
| rdopieralski | awesome | 19:49 |
| fungi | what needs to be discussed here, other than making sure we're all aware this is coming? (i know the new name for the split-out half hasn't been settled yet at least) | 19:49 |
| mordred | seems straightforward to me | 19:50 |
| anteaya | poll is open: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/vote.pl?id=E_ea99af9511f3f255&akey=e4c064fca36f8d26 | 19:50 |
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| clarkb | anteaya: were those names vetted first? | 19:50 |
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| clarkb | we seem to have a really hard time doing that | 19:50 |
| mordred | yeah. that was my question | 19:50 |
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| anteaya | rdopieralski's email has the process | 19:50 |
| rdopieralski | fungi: I mostly wanted you to look at it and catch any obvious blunders, like you just did | 19:50 |
| fungi | clarkb: i asked, sounds like the top several will get sent to the foundation for vetting | 19:50 |
| pleia2 | one landed on the -infra list, but it was moderated so I was able to reject it | 19:50 |
| pleia2 | (one == a ballot) | 19:51 |
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| fungi | clarkb: mordred: vetting 18 would be a bit of a waste of time | 19:51 |
| clarkb | fungi: right but a human can use the googles before hand | 19:51 |
| rdopieralski | I would also want, if possible, to ask someone of you to volunteer in helping with it | 19:51 |
| clarkb | fungi: which would have caught every other rename we have had to do | 19:51 |
| mordred | please let schwartzchild win | 19:51 |
| rdopieralski | during the freeze itself | 19:51 |
| anteaya | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/037185.html | 19:51 |
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| fungi | clarkb: true. the degree to which anyone has is unknown | 19:51 |
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| fungi | to me anyway | 19:51 |
| rdopieralski | but we don't have a date for that yet, so it may be too early | 19:51 |
| fungi | rdopieralski: yeah, once we know when you'll be ready, it'll be easier to rally the troops on it | 19:52 |
| anteaya | rdopieralski: helping with what? with the vetting of names? | 19:52 |
| morganfainberg | mordred, there is a t missing in the poll option compared to what you typed. "schwarzchild" vs "schwartzchild" | 19:52 |
| clarkb | https://www.paloaltonetworks.com/products/technologies/panorama.html | 19:52 |
| rdopieralski | anteaya: nah, with the actual split | 19:52 |
| anteaya | rdopieralski: oh the split | 19:52 |
| morganfainberg | is that supposed to be schwartzchild instead? | 19:52 |
| rdopieralski | morganfainberg: possibly | 19:53 |
| clarkb | a quick googling should be able to exclude blatant problems... | 19:53 |
| rdopieralski | I just copied it from the etherpad :P | 19:53 |
| morganfainberg | rdopieralski, probably a typo ... it looks... off | 19:53 |
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| fungi | morganfainberg: no, http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FSchwarzschild_radius&ei=SWKXU-bYMrCisATqtoGwDQ&usg=AFQjCNFL3m870AJgoy-enNcbYecDseUeew&sig2=VLmoF4rk51OcChUoTZUynw | 19:54 |
| fungi | er | 19:54 |
| fungi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_radius | 19:54 |
| morganfainberg | fungi, oh ok. | 19:54 |
| morganfainberg | works for me | 19:54 |
| fungi | (a nod to the event _horizon_) | 19:54 |
| morganfainberg | yep yep | 19:54 |
| anteaya | can I get a few minutes, I just need folks to agree I am doing the right thing with templates | 19:54 |
| fungi | at least that's my assumption | 19:54 |
| fungi | anteaya: yep | 19:54 |
| fungi | rdopieralski: anything else? | 19:54 |
| rdopieralski | fungi: that's all, thank you | 19:55 |
| fungi | #topic Review Third Party wiki templates - seed pages (anteaya) | 19:55 |
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| anteaya | thanks | 19:55 |
| fungi | you have the floor ;) | 19:55 |
| mordred | morganfainberg: :) | 19:55 |
| anteaya | so we have been progressing through third party templates | 19:55 |
| anteaya | and i have some to look at | 19:55 |
| anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/IBMPowerKVMCI | 19:55 |
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| anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/OpenStack-Neutron | 19:56 |
| anteaya | please share your feedback | 19:56 |
| anteaya | are we happy yet? do we want them all to use this format? | 19:56 |
| anteaya | anything missing? | 19:56 |
| fungi | anteaya: well, the example demonstrates that intent and focus may be redundant concepts | 19:56 |
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| fungi | but beyond that, fine with me | 19:56 |
| anteaya | okay, which should we keep, intent? | 19:57 |
| anteaya | and thanks | 19:57 |
| anteaya | or do we like focus better? | 19:57 |
| clarkb | it might be more readable as a more normal wiki page but then you will probably have drift | 19:57 |
| reed | anteaya, how hard is it to make the line "3rd party system: IBM PowerKVM CI" more prominent? | 19:57 |
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| fungi | i'm also marginally unsure how we want to translate openstack programs to the per-project acls we talked about setting up (all projects in the listed program, or only some projects in a program allow any third-party voting?) | 19:57 |
| anteaya | reed: I can work for that, what do you want, larger font? more space around it? | 19:58 |
| ianw | "current status" seems like something that will get out of date and not always reflect reality | 19:58 |
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| reed | where are these templates going to be shown? on individual pages or as a 'sidebox' embedded in other pages? | 19:58 |
| anteaya | fungi: yes, that does present an issue needing discussion | 19:58 |
| reed | not clear to me the scope of this effort to be able to comment... but since I love templates :) | 19:58 |
| clarkb | fungi: I think we go with all projects | 19:58 |
| clarkb | fungi: its too complicated otherwise | 19:58 |
| fungi | ianw: i think the hope is that it gets updated by the owners of that account when it breaks, as an indicator to everyone that they know it's broken | 19:59 |
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| fungi | clarkb: yeah, agreed. all projects in a given program get an acl stanza allowing that vote | 19:59 |
| clarkb | so you have compute-ci network-ci et al as groups owned by nova-ptl neutron-ptl | 19:59 |
| fungi | anteaya: did you need to hit your other topic too? 30 seconds | 19:59 |
| anteaya | line 11 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/automated-gerrit-account-naming-format | 19:59 |
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| fungi | #topic Formatting Automated Gerrit Account Names (anteaya) | 20:00 |
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| reed | anteaya, that first line with a larger font, like an h3 level or something similar would be better... right now the pages as they are displayed now are not very clear to me (but I may be the wrong audience) | 20:00 |
| anteaya | can we live with that as an automated gerrit naming format? | 20:00 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/automated-gerrit-account-naming-format | 20:00 |
| anteaya | reed: you are the right audience, will look at that | 20:00 |
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| anteaya | lines 11-16 is the proposed format | 20:00 |
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| fungi | anteaya: seems fine to me | 20:00 |
| fungi | also we're running over | 20:00 |
| anteaya | do we need more discussion or can i publish? | 20:00 |
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| anteaya | kk | 20:01 |
| anteaya | done | 20:01 |
| clarkb | I don't want to change usernames | 20:01 |
| clarkb | but we can talk over there -> | 20:01 |
| anteaya | clarkb: just asking about format guidelines atm | 20:01 |
| fungi | clarkb: i think we had decided we only change new usernames, not existing ones | 20:01 |
| fungi | and we change existing and new display names | 20:01 |
| markmc | "time now, folks. time now" | 20:01 |
| fungi | anyway, ttx is going to get mad at me | 20:01 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
| ttx | not at all | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 10 20:01:44 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-06-10-19.02.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-06-10-19.02.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-06-10-19.02.log.html | 20:01 |
| ttx | Anyone around for the TC meeting ? | 20:01 |
| markmc | hey | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:01 |
| vishy | o/ | 20:01 |
| * jaypipes gets Internet just in the nick of time... | 20:02 | |
| reed | ttx is mad already | 20:02 |
| Kiall | o/ | 20:02 |
| mikal | Morning | 20:02 |
| * fungi standing in for jeblair | 20:02 | |
| anteaya | o/ | 20:02 |
| devananda | o/ | 20:02 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 20:02 |
| * morganfainberg lurks. | 20:02 | |
| russellb | o/ | 20:02 |
| mugsie | o/ | 20:02 |
| annegentle | hoo hoo | 20:02 |
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| vinod | o/ | 20:02 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:02 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:02 |
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| ttx | markmcclain, sdague : around ? | 20:02 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 20:03 |
| ttx | Almost everyone today! | 20:03 |
| markwash | o/ | 20:03 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 10 20:03:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
| ttx | Here is our agenda for today: | 20:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:03 |
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| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee | 20:03 |
| ttx | #topic Glance Program Mission Statement and the Catalog | 20:03 |
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| ttx | markwash: o/ | 20:03 |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/036767.html | 20:03 |
| markwash | hi hi | 20:03 |
| ttx | Overdue original mission is proposed at: | 20:03 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/98001 | 20:03 |
| ttx | I think we should approve that one now and then discuss the real proposed change: | 20:03 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/98002 | 20:04 |
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| ttx | Unless there is strong objection on the 98001 "original" wording | 20:04 |
| annegentle | heh I wasn't gonna nitpick 98001 but I like the serial comma in 98002's list | 20:04 |
| * devananda adds +1 to the first review | 20:04 | |
| annegentle | but I can wait for the second | 20:04 |
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| markwash | annegentle: ugh I missed that! I love the oxford comma | 20:05 |
| ttx | 7 YES, I can approve now unless someone objects | 20:05 |
| russellb | <3 oxford comma | 20:05 |
| mikal | I like cheese | 20:05 |
| fungi | i've commented a vote in favor on jeblair's behalf, since it lgtm | 20:05 |
| markwash | (commas matter. "Let's eat, grampa!") | 20:05 |
| ttx | Ok let's approve it | 20:06 |
| dhellmann | mmm, delicious | 20:06 |
| annegentle | markwash: mikal: snort | 20:06 |
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| mordred | yummy salty human flesh... | 20:06 |
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| ttx | That should facilitate discussion on 98002 | 20:06 |
| sdague | ttx here now | 20:06 |
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| ttx | ok, 98001 merged | 20:06 |
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| ttx | Now on to 98002 | 20:06 |
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| ttx | markwash: could you provide examples of other artifact types that would make sense for storage into the new Glance ? | 20:07 |
| * devananda notes the lengthy discussions on rev2 of 98002, starts catching up | 20:07 | |
| markwash | so part of it is breaking up the idea of image so that it is more usable and interoperable for example | 20:07 |
| markmc | yes, maybe start with concrete example of why the mission needs expanding | 20:07 |
| * dhellmann went a little too far stripping out implementation details in his proposed revision | 20:07 | |
| markwash | so instead of just "image" | 20:07 |
| markwash | we could have an artifact for disk images and artifacts for the full arrangement of device mappings | 20:07 |
| markwash | another popular example is pretty much anything that can go in a heat template | 20:08 |
| zaneb | heat and murano templates are another obvious one | 20:08 |
| gokrokve | Solum LP | 20:08 |
| markwash | and the examples that seemed to push this to the fore were murano packages and something something solum | 20:08 |
| mikal | markwash: why be an artifact store at all? | 20:08 |
| markwash | :-) | 20:08 |
| ttx | markwash: ok | 20:08 |
| mikal | markwash: couldn't you just be a catalog of artifacts stored elsewhere? | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | why do those things need to go in glance, though? why shouldn't they go in the heat database? | 20:08 |
| ttx | mikal: it's what it is actually | 20:08 |
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| markwash | mikal: actually that's what we want to be | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | ah, ok, we should take out "store" then :-) | 20:09 |
| markwash | mikal except glance has to own stuff in order to guarantee integrity | 20:09 |
| zaneb | dhellmann: because we don't want to implement a catalog service in heat | 20:09 |
| mikal | markwash: sure | 20:09 |
| russellb | a registry of things, their type, and location, right? | 20:09 |
| markwash | so if we can't own it without storing it, we'll store it | 20:09 |
| fungi | should glance become the heat database? ;) | 20:09 |
| devananda | markwash: so the artefacts may be stored, essentially, anywhere - and glance would just provide the browsability? | 20:09 |
| mikal | So... does that mean that a key store is just a special case of glance now? | 20:09 |
| jaypipes | glance stores the archetypes, other projects store the artifacts themselves? | 20:09 |
| russellb | mikal: i think keys are one exception | 20:09 |
| mikal | russellb: why? | 20:09 |
| devananda | russellb: why? | 20:09 |
| markwash | again, we *own* it so we will continue to store everything we have to in order to completely control access | 20:09 |
| russellb | mikal: since we said keys justify special handling (around security, compliance) | 20:09 |
| russellb | that's why we allowed a special program for key handling | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | zaneb: why do you need a catalog service to store templates? we don't need one to store most of the rest of the stuff we store? (serious question about the difference) | 20:10 |
| zaneb | dhellmann: basically for the same reason we need one for images | 20:10 |
| devananda | what makes a pub key different from a heat template different from an image -- from the perspective of publishing & browsing opaque content? | 20:10 |
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| markmc | dhellmann, to allow users to browse available templates | 20:10 |
| devananda | russellb: don't snapshots have similar security requriements? | 20:11 |
| russellb | security compliance rules around storing key material | 20:11 |
| mikal | russellb: I am ok with that, as long as there's a good reason | 20:11 |
| zaneb | they're a pain to store outside the cloud and still be able to access from Heat | 20:11 |
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| markwash | mikal: we don't do fancy crypto so we shouldn't store keys | 20:11 |
| markwash | its not that we couldn't | 20:11 |
| zaneb | you could just use swift | 20:11 |
| russellb | devananda: haven't heard that requirement | 20:11 |
| markwash | its just that no one would choose to use glance for keys :-) | 20:11 |
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| markmc | zaneb, but you wouldn't have browsing | 20:11 |
| zaneb | but glance provides a lot of nice things (e.g. artifacts are immutable) | 20:11 |
| russellb | right, and typing | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | is immutability a strong enough feature to be mentioned in the mission, preventing any type of artifact from being mutable without TC approval later? | 20:12 |
| russellb | and i guess some additional access controls | 20:12 |
| markmc | typing facilitates browsing | 20:12 |
| * markmc getting silly now | 20:12 | |
| russellb | :) | 20:12 |
| jaypipes | dhellmann: I think that's a good question. | 20:12 |
| ttx | I think it makes sense to use a more generic name than "images" since we are about to use glance to store more than just disk images | 20:12 |
| * markwash is not sure he can follow the pace of all this :-) | 20:12 | |
| markmc | immutability is there for browsing experience too? | 20:12 |
| zaneb | russellb: yeah, typing is essential for Murano, at least | 20:13 |
| jaypipes | dhellmann: is mutability a requirement for being a versioned archetype? I think it is. | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | markwash: what I read in draft 3 was a lot of features of glance, but not the *reason* for having those features | 20:13 |
| markwash | immutability is just part the expected user experience of a repository | 20:13 |
| jaypipes | dhellmann: sorry, meant *immutability* :) | 20:13 |
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| markwash | think sonatype nexus for an example of another "repository" as I mean it today | 20:13 |
| fungi | jaypipes: i think strict versioning at least enables immutability | 20:13 |
| ttx | dhellmann: agree reason could be provided in the commit message | 20:13 |
| zaneb | I actually don't like the wording w.r.t immutability | 20:13 |
| jaypipes | fungi: agreed. | 20:13 |
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| jaypipes | and frankly, the prospect of having a service that provides these schemas/archetypes in a consistent, versioned manner is really appealing to me. | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | ttx: no, I mean the mission is supposed to describe what is being built in terms of what benefit it brings, not in terms of a product manager's view of features | 20:14 |
| zaneb | the repository should be versioned and you should only be able to reference fixed versions | 20:14 |
| devananda | markwash: if glance may be configured as a broker that does not store objects locally, how does it guarantee immutability? | 20:14 |
| zaneb | not 100% sure that 'immutable' is the right way to describe that | 20:14 |
| fungi | "what problems this solves in an openstack environment"? | 20:14 |
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| dhellmann | zaneb: those are product requirements, not a program mission description | 20:14 |
| jaypipes | I envision things like images, block device mappings, even things like capabilities that are currently randomly plopped into nova's compute node and flavor extra_specs stuff, | 20:14 |
| markwash | devananda: we strive to own the account things are stored under elsewhere | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | "a service to store and find application-specific BLOBs" is a mission | 20:15 |
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| mordred | dhellmann: ++ | 20:15 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: glance first consumer are other openstack services though, and I think taht's covered in "artifacts consumable by OpenStack services in a unified manner" wording | 20:15 |
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| zaneb | dhellmann: swift does that. glance is something more specific | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ok, I was being brief for irc | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | zaneb: does swift have search? | 20:15 |
| devananda | zaneb: that's my confusion | 20:15 |
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| dhellmann | zaneb: are swift objects application-specific? maybe "strongly typed" instead? | 20:16 |
| mordred | it's an artifact registry | 20:16 |
| mikal | dhellmann: it has search for prefix in a container | 20:16 |
| markmc | wow, BLOB is actually an acronym | 20:16 |
| mordred | that you can stick something in swift is irrelvant | 20:16 |
| mordred | markmc: yup. Binary Large OBject | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | markmc: yeah | 20:16 |
| mordred | you can also just have LOB | 20:16 |
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| fungi | markmc: if it's in the jargon file, it's *got* to be true | 20:16 |
| fungi | gospel | 20:16 |
| markwash | keeping in mind that we actualy use swift for storage in many deployments. . we're focusing on the value add over-top of swift | 20:16 |
| mordred | markwash: ++ | 20:16 |
| markmc | fungi, wikipedia too | 20:16 |
| markwash | which includes rich type-specific metadata | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | markwash: +1 | 20:17 |
| markmc | metadata is a feature, why is it useful? browsing? | 20:17 |
| gokrokve | References is one of the key features of the artifact repository | 20:17 |
| zaneb | dhellmann: I think you'll end up with a different product if your mission doesn't include the fact that artifacts are versioned | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | markwash: is that what "documents" means in the current draft? I wasn't sure what the distinction between documents and BLOB was | 20:17 |
| ttx | OK, looks like we'll have to timebox this | 20:17 |
| markwash | dhellmann: yes | 20:17 |
| jaypipes | markmc: technically, when Jim Starkey invented the term back in the 70s, Blob was not an acronym.. he just meant to reference a thing without structure. | 20:17 |
| devananda | a service which brokers access to application-specific data objects which, once stored, are versioned. | 20:17 |
| markwash | metadata is such a terrible word | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | markwash: ok, thanks for clarifying | 20:17 |
| gokrokve | It should be able to download a bulk of artifacts tied by references | 20:17 |
| markwash | the goal is to take as much semantic user metadata and make it actually schematic document data | 20:17 |
| * jaypipes goes back into pedantry cave. | 20:18 | |
| mordred | jaypipes: new rule, anyone who mentions starkey loses ;) | 20:18 |
| jaypipes | mordred: :) | 20:18 |
| markwash | since user-metadata is not very discoverable, understandable, portable, etc | 20:18 |
| devananda | mordred: lol | 20:18 |
| annegentle | jaypipes: pedant! | 20:18 |
| ttx | Let's try to iterate on the review itself. If it stalls we can raise a ML thread | 20:18 |
| sdague | ok, so here's where I like doing mission statements in folksy language. :) | 20:18 |
| ttx | BUT | 20:18 |
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| markmc | "document" doesn't resonate with me as data which is attributes describing the BLOB | 20:18 |
| markwash | markmc: fair | 20:18 |
| ttx | I kinda like that we are expanding Glance role to cover not just disk images but other BLOBs of the same type of usage | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | markmc: +1 | 20:19 |
| ttx | One potential issue we need to check is the change in the "official name" from "OpenStack Image Service" to "OpenStack Artifact Repository" | 20:19 |
| markwash | actually I struggled to get that term, I don't know what the right one is, just metadata is so so overloaded :-) | 20:19 |
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| ttx | Personally I think the new name makes way more sense, but I feel like we need to warn more than just the developers about it | 20:19 |
| ttx | (once we converge onto a new mission/name) | 20:19 |
| jaypipes | markwash: schema? archetype? | 20:19 |
| markmc | yeah, I think there's consensus here on the general idea | 20:19 |
| markmc | just nitpicking now, really | 20:19 |
| russellb | yeah, definitely like the general idea | 20:19 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:19 |
| russellb | wording is hard | 20:19 |
| markmc | collaborative editing | 20:19 |
| mordred | general idea rocks | 20:19 |
| mordred | words suck | 20:19 |
| zaneb | markwash: I'm also curious about the Graffiti blueprint, and how that ties in with this mission | 20:19 |
| ttx | OK, and gerrit helps with that | 20:19 |
| ttx | Lets' move on to next topi, shall we | 20:19 |
| ttx | +c | 20:20 |
| mordred | zaneb: I think that's to expand on the metadata side of the coin | 20:20 |
| markwash | so, my feeling on Graffiti is that it helps us with the user-metadata we will keep | 20:20 |
| russellb | how many sides does the coin have | 20:20 |
| markwash | and the fact that it helps other openstack projects too is just gravy | 20:20 |
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| mordred | russellb: 1000000000000000 | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | russellb: that depends on the coin's type, right? | 20:20 |
| mordred | dhellmann: I need some coin metadata | 20:20 |
| russellb | :) | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | mordred: ask markwash | 20:20 |
| russellb | ok, i think we can move to the next topic | 20:20 |
| markmc | ok, moving on from glance ... | 20:20 |
| devananda | ttx: ++ | 20:20 |
| markmc | to more glance? | 20:20 |
| ttx | #agreed let's iterate on wording on the gerrit review | 20:20 |
| zaneb | markwash: ok, I just want to make sure the Glance team has freedom of action in that area without coming back to the TC | 20:21 |
| markwash | zaneb: good point | 20:21 |
| ttx | #topic Glance Functional API and Cross-project API Consistency | 20:21 |
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| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-May/036416.html | 20:21 |
| markwash | lets be sure of that in the notes on the vote if we can | 20:21 |
| ttx | So this is more of an advice question, touching API convergence | 20:21 |
| markwash | oh yeah this one | 20:21 |
| markwash | mostly some folks elected you guys to appoint an api consistency committee | 20:21 |
| * ttx with type passed in payload, or actions/action | 20:21 | |
| markwash | did you do that? | 20:21 |
| markwash | should we talk to them? | 20:21 |
| russellb | i like the way you propose better than nova's way | 20:22 |
| ttx | err | 20:22 |
| markmc | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/thread.html#36701 | 20:22 |
| ttx | /action with type passed in payload, or /actions/action | 20:22 |
| markmc | damn threads crossing month boundaries | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I forget who mentioned logging but between that and making request routing easier I like the action in the url, too | 20:22 |
| sdague | russellb: agreed, the proposed glance way for actions is much nice | 20:22 |
| sdague | nicer | 20:22 |
| russellb | anyone disagree? | 20:22 |
| sdague | dhellmann: that was me :) | 20:23 |
| markmc | I just wish we were gradually converging on API consistency | 20:23 |
| ttx | so I don't think we should block them from implementing it at all :) | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | sdague: that was a good point | 20:23 |
| markmc | that consensus meant all projects would adopt this pattern in future | 20:23 |
| markmc | rather than another project to iterate further on this | 20:23 |
| annegentle | ttx: I'm in agreement, I'd like to see one project do the work and others follow and it doesn't always have to be nova as pattern-setter | 20:23 |
| russellb | markmc: yes, agreed... how can we communicate this widely? | 20:23 |
| sdague | dhellmann: I stare at logs a lot... the action urls are painful today | 20:23 |
| markmc | russellb, dunno | 20:23 |
| russellb | should it be something we document as a best practice recommended by this group? | 20:23 |
| russellb | and then blog about it in our new TC update series? :) | 20:24 |
| dhellmann | should we start an API style guide in the wiki? or an all-projects spec repo? | 20:24 |
| anteaya | cyeoh had a summit session on apis | 20:24 |
| * markmc had a document called "ReST standards" before; geddit? | 20:24 | |
| markwash | there were volunteers for this in a summit session | 20:24 |
| markwash | you could just delegate | 20:24 |
| ttx | russellb: at one point in history we wanted to have some API czar, but that died quickly | 20:24 |
| markmc | (for another project) | 20:24 |
| anteaya | jaypipes you said you would do a thing out of that session | 20:24 |
| sdague | right, didn't we discuss an all-projects spec repo | 20:24 |
| sdague | and even ttx agreed on it :) | 20:24 |
| russellb | this is all i know of ... https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/APIChangeGuidelines | 20:24 |
| dhellmann | markwash: by "we" I meant "openstack" rather than "the tc" | 20:24 |
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| russellb | and it's not really about API design at all | 20:24 |
| markwash | dhellmann: ah kk | 20:24 |
| markmc | we've had some etherpads from design summit sessions too | 20:25 |
| russellb | ttx: a nice idea if the right person stepped up and was motivated | 20:25 |
| markmc | but they were proposals I guess | 20:25 |
| devananda | dhellmann: api style guide could be helpful, but shouldn't be too rigid or may get abused/ignored, depending on how things go | 20:25 |
| * markmc put links in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-cross-project-consistency-across-rest-apis | 20:25 | |
| dhellmann | devananda: sure | 20:25 |
| ttx | OK, so agreement on letting Glance go in that direction, and wish we had clearer guidelines set to encourage future convergence ? | 20:26 |
| sdague | ttx: +1 | 20:26 |
| anteaya | I can cobble together the cyeoh's session notes and do a ml post so it gets a tc agenda item | 20:26 |
| markmcclain | +1 | 20:26 |
| fungi | sounds reasonable | 20:26 |
| devananda | +1 | 20:26 |
| markmc | we would fully support anyone wanting to take on the task of document style guidelines | 20:26 |
| ttx | #agreed Glance can definitely go in that direction for API | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | markwash: how about if you *start* a style guide? | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | markwash: see what I did there? | 20:26 |
| markwash | if I start it, it will never be finished | 20:26 |
| markwash | or started | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | haha | 20:26 |
| markwash | :-) | 20:26 |
| devananda | tossing this out there as possibly helpful for folks | 20:26 |
| ttx | #info TC would like to have "good API design" guidelines to encourage convergence, looking for volunteers to document and propose that | 20:26 |
| devananda | https://restful-api-design.readthedocs.org/en/latest/methods.html | 20:27 |
| annegentle | I can ask Diane Fleming if she's interested in picking up an API style guide but we'd need to define what you want. | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | markwash: seriously, you could just start with this one issue | 20:27 |
| annegentle | she'd have the most cross-project knowledge from all the API doc work | 20:27 |
| markwash | dhellmann: I'll give it some thought but I'm in too dangerous a location to commit to anything right now | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | markwash: ok | 20:27 |
| * markmc throws http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud_APIs_REST_Style_Guide out there as an example | 20:28 | |
| ttx | ok, moving on to next topic ? | 20:28 |
| markwash | moar glance! | 20:28 |
| annegentle | honestly this looks like something Diane could do, would you like it? | 20:28 |
| ttx | #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud_APIs_REST_Style_Guide | 20:28 |
| ttx | annegentle: if she wants to propose something, i don't think we should prevent her | 20:29 |
| annegentle | ttx: got it | 20:29 |
| ttx | but she should expect the "convergence guideliens" to be nitpicked over to death | 20:29 |
| ttx | so albestos suit recommended | 20:29 |
| annegentle | heh | 20:29 |
| jaypipes | dang it, I really wish I had the time to respond to that Glance functional API thread :( | 20:29 |
| annegentle | flame-proof but cancer-causing. Check | 20:30 |
| jaypipes | too many darn emails. | 20:30 |
| russellb | or some asbestos-replacement that won't ruin your lungs | 20:30 |
| ttx | jaypipes is the closest we have in the TC to an APi integrist | 20:30 |
| fungi | he is also flameproof, from what i hear | 20:30 |
| markwash | I'm a bit afraid that some rest purism might argue against our approach | 20:30 |
| markmc | ttx, integrist needs translation - I only learned it from nijaba in atlanta :) | 20:31 |
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| ttx | oh. | 20:31 |
| ttx | frenchism probably | 20:31 |
| markmc | markwash, rest purism? never! | 20:31 |
| ttx | ok, moving on | 20:31 |
| ttx | #topic Integrated projects and new requirements: Gap analysis for Glance | 20:31 |
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| ttx | mOAR Glance | 20:32 |
| ttx | markwash: hi! | 20:32 |
| * markwash just made it in time | 20:32 | |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-integration-gaps | 20:32 |
| * russellb glances over the etherpad | 20:32 | |
| markwash | the formatting there is probably not so good | 20:32 |
| ttx | I figured we should expedite this one, since we have markwash around | 20:32 |
| markwash | bottom line is that I couldn't really find much of a problem, except pace of bug triage and docs maybe | 20:32 |
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| russellb | i have no complaints | 20:33 |
| russellb | nice work :) | 20:33 |
| sdague | markwash: so I know for a fact the tempest tests for glance don't actually try to store real binary data, because I got bit by it :) | 20:33 |
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| vishy | its ok REST fails when using lists + acls | 20:33 |
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| ttx | markwash: you might want to refine your https://launchpad.net/~glance-coresec/+members -- looks like an old list of glance-core people | 20:33 |
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| markwash | sdague: eek | 20:33 |
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| sdague | And I'm pretty sure much of the v2 api is not covered | 20:33 |
| markwash | glance core has been a bit of an alumni association, yes | 20:33 |
| russellb | would be nice to get nova updated to using latest glance API | 20:34 |
| russellb | could use help there | 20:34 |
| sdague | markwash: yeh, mtreinish wrote all the glance tests a year ago when they largely didn't exist | 20:34 |
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| sdague | but there are definitely holes | 20:34 |
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| annegentle | markwash: my input on docs would be that API docs also include the reference listings at http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-image-v2.html and http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-image-v1.html | 20:34 |
| ttx | mordred: could you add markwash as admin to https://launchpad.net/~glance-coresec/+members ? | 20:34 |
| markwash | ttx: OH! core-sec | 20:35 |
| ttx | mordred: and maybe remove yourself (you retain access through openstack-admins) | 20:35 |
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| fungi | or i can take care of it if mordred is busy mordreding | 20:36 |
| annegentle | markwash: bit of docs analytics trivia | 20:36 |
| markwash | annegentle: I personally have had a perilous time trying to keep our docs in mind. its like there's no cubby space for that in my brain somehow | 20:36 |
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| ttx | fungi: we have to elevate ourselves to admin, while he is admin already. But yes, you can do it :) | 20:36 |
| annegentle | markwash: one of the most visited pages on the docs site is http://docs.openstack.org/image-guide/content/ch_converting.html | 20:36 |
| annegentle | markwash: sounds like your brain needs a mudroom for docs | 20:36 |
| markwash | indeed | 20:37 |
| annegentle | markwash: but it's also the most exited page | 20:37 |
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| mordred | ttx: on it | 20:38 |
| sdague | markwash: I haven't looked recently, but I did have concerns about the review patterns in glance core. Where largely nothing would get looked at for 4 - 6 weeks, then mass approvals near a milestone | 20:38 |
| ttx | markwash: I don't see any gaps. Only suggestions for improevments (like moar coverage) | 20:38 |
| markwash | sdague: yes, honestly we're struggling in that capacity :-( | 20:39 |
| sdague | that pattern in glance was actually one of the key reasons we implemented clean check | 20:39 |
| jaypipes | russellb: I've been working towards glance v2 api support in nova. | 20:39 |
| fungi | ttx: markwash: mordred: updated glance-coresec | 20:39 |
| russellb | jaypipes: awesome | 20:39 |
| mordred | fungi: oh - you got it. great | 20:39 |
| sdague | because lots of glance patches with really old test results would get sent into the queue | 20:39 |
| jaypipes | russellb: all the blueprints are marked low priority and retargeted to j-2 | 20:39 |
| markwash | I've been very time conflicted and haven't figured out the right way to motivate folks | 20:39 |
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| fungi | ttx: markwash: mordred: admins are now brian waldon and mark washenberger | 20:39 |
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| sdague | markwash: so I guess that raises an interesting question. Is the core review team healthy enough to take on more mission? | 20:39 |
| ttx | markwash: so now you can clean up https://launchpad.net/~glance-coresec/+members, ideally so that it's only 2-4 active core | 20:40 |
| ttx | (interested in security issues) | 20:40 |
| markwash | probably want to remove bcwaldon fungi | 20:40 |
| fungi | markwash: will do | 20:40 |
| markmcclain | sdague: was wondering the same thing | 20:40 |
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| fungi | markwash: done | 20:40 |
| mikal | jaypipes: they will have been retargetted because we're so close to j-1 now | 20:40 |
| jaypipes | sdague: I believe the core review team would expand given the new mission...or at least, the opportunity to add some new folks would exist. | 20:40 |
| markwash | sdague: actually i think the extra interest from murano and graffiti folks is something we could catalyze into better review practices | 20:40 |
| jaypipes | mikal: oh, I know. wasn't complaining. just as an FYI | 20:40 |
| markwash | b/c the problem is that glance's old mission is kind of stale and uninteresting | 20:40 |
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| markwash | so it doesn't really draw people into the project as much | 20:41 |
| ttx | #info recommendation: more coverage (API v2, binary content...) | 20:41 |
| ttx | #info recommendation: saner review pattern | 20:41 |
| markwash | murano, graffiti, solumn, heat, etc. | 20:41 |
| markwash | s/solumn/solum/ of course | 20:41 |
| devananda | markwash: being stable isn't a bad thing ... :) | 20:41 |
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| sdague | markwash: ok. I think it's something we should checkpoint on though. Because I do get concerned with integrated projects that only review in bursts | 20:41 |
| markwash | sdague: +1 | 20:41 |
| sdague | devananda: um... you should have seen some of those patches. :) | 20:42 |
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| markwash | checkpointing is great b/c honestly we need help and you guys can point us in the right direction | 20:42 |
| ttx | sdague: I expect the new mission will inject new blood, fwiw | 20:42 |
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| sdague | ttx: yep, that's fair. I just want to raise it as a concern. | 20:42 |
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| ttx | concern noted | 20:42 |
| sdague | so we can be mindful of it | 20:42 |
| ttx | anything else ? | 20:42 |
| ttx | Do we agree tat there is no gap, only a set of recommendations ? | 20:43 |
| dhellman_ | I thought testing was a gap? | 20:43 |
| ttx | #info recommendation: fix glance-coresec to only include 2-4 active core members interested in security issues | 20:43 |
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| markwash | is there an api coverage report generated from tempest? | 20:43 |
| sdague | markwash: I haven't dug into it deeply | 20:43 |
| navid | Hi | 20:44 |
| ttx | dhellman_: A gap would mean, we'd reject Glance in integration if it were proposed now. Do you think testing coverage is a gap ? | 20:44 |
| ttx | A gap means we want to have a gap coverage plan in place ASAP | 20:44 |
| sdague | ttx: the lack of testing a binary image is probably a gap :) | 20:44 |
| sdague | but I'll let markwash pound that out in a week, and it should be fine | 20:44 |
| ttx | OK | 20:44 |
| dhellmann_ | ttx: what sdague said :-) | 20:44 |
| navid | since you are discussing tests. is there a solid document about unit tests in keystone | 20:44 |
| markwash | ascii is a subset of binary | 20:44 |
| markwash | bam | 20:44 |
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| fungi | heh | 20:45 |
| ttx | #info gap: intgeration tests -- lack of testing a binary image | 20:45 |
| anteaya | navid: this is a meeting, try #openstack-dev | 20:45 |
| sdague | markwash: :) | 20:45 |
| ttx | OK, anything else ? | 20:45 |
| fungi | i suppose the pedants can say high-bit rather than binary | 20:45 |
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| markwash | fungi: you got me | 20:45 |
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| ttx | markwash: so you should come up with a plan to address the identified gap, ideally within the Juno cycle | 20:46 |
| ttx | should be short :) | 20:46 |
| markwash | I'll see if the plan can be a gerrit review | 20:46 |
| ttx | You can file the plan in a doc like https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee/Ceilometer_Gap_Coverage | 20:46 |
| ttx | just ping me when you have it up | 20:47 |
| markwash | kk | 20:47 |
| ttx | let's move on | 20:47 |
| ttx | #topic Defcore status update | 20:47 |
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| mikal | Oh hai | 20:47 |
| markwash | (thanks everybody!) | 20:47 |
| ttx | no zehicle today, maybe mikal can expose how last meetings went ? | 20:47 |
| ttx | markwash: Thanks for everything | 20:48 |
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| mikal | So... I'm meant to have drafted by now a request for PTLs and TC to help nominate designated sections for their projects | 20:48 |
| mikal | Its started, but stalled | 20:48 |
| mikal | I'll pick that up again this week, so expect something soon | 20:48 |
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| ttx | mikal: and mordred was supposed to file a scoring proposal as a governance change | 20:48 |
| mordred | yes. I'm behidn. sorry | 20:48 |
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| ttx | mikal: is tat still needed ? | 20:49 |
| mikal | ttx: cool | 20:49 |
| ttx | +h? | 20:49 |
| mikal | ttx: the designated sections thing? I was only asked to do it last week, so I guess that defcore believes it is still needed | 20:49 |
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| ttx | (I think it is, just checking) | 20:49 |
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| mikal | I was going to draft it in the form of a TC resolution requesting PTLs to provide a response for the TC to rubber stamp / route | 20:49 |
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| mikal | Based on the principles we agreed to a while ago | 20:50 |
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| ttx | mikal: do you think we need a resolution for that ? | 20:50 |
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| mikal | ttx: probably not, but it seemed the easiest way to get something into the repo | 20:50 |
| mikal | ttx: just a really light weight "please consider these principles and then send a gerrit review adding a section for your project below" | 20:51 |
| mikal | ttx: if you have a different process, I'm all ears | 20:51 |
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| ttx | mikal: was thinking an email with cc:openstack-tc should be sufficient, but i'm fine with the resolution route | 20:51 |
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| ttx | it will just take more time | 20:51 |
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| mikal | Yeah, I liked that just because it ties everything together with a documented history | 20:52 |
| ttx | mikal: your call, really. | 20:52 |
| ttx | mikal: anything else ? | 20:52 |
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| mikal | Well, let me finish writing it first and then people can comment on the process | 20:52 |
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| ttx | Questions on defcore ? | 20:53 |
| ttx | #topic Governance changes in review | 20:53 |
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| ttx | * Propose Designate for Incubation (https://review.openstack.org/97609) | 20:53 |
| Kiall | Heya | 20:53 |
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| ttx | -1s from mikal and markmc still standing | 20:54 |
| * mikal looks again | 20:54 | |
| russellb | appears to be general support, just for some requests to add/change wording | 20:54 |
| Kiall | markmc just proposed we reword one of the sections, we're happy to. mugsie was preparing an alternative | 20:54 |
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| mikal | Oh yeah | 20:54 |
| markmc | cool | 20:54 |
| Kiall | and I believe we have addressed mikal's concers | 20:55 |
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| mugsie | yeah - what we have now is "Enable operators to provide scalable, on demand self service access for customers to authoritative DNS services." | 20:55 |
| mikal | I just wanted the nova proxy work | 20:55 |
| mikal | Kiall: I don't see a new patchset? | 20:55 |
| markmcclain | have we solved the issue of where to house the application? | 20:55 |
| Kiall | mikal: Oh - We've included that in the wiki page | 20:55 |
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| Kiall | an action item seems inappropriate for merging into the repo? | 20:55 |
| mugsie | mikal: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Incubation_Application#Why_a_new_project.3F | 20:55 |
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| mikal | Oh, I see | 20:55 |
| ttx | markmcclain: orthogonal discussion ? | 20:55 |
| Kiall | markmcclain: no, not that I saw. | 20:56 |
| Kiall | ttx: ++ | 20:56 |
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| dhellman_ | markmcclain: do you mean which program? | 20:56 |
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| Kiall | markmc: does mugsie's alternative wording make sense for you? | 20:56 |
| ttx | mordred: asked you a question there: "@Monty: Obviously the application should not live in the projects.yaml. Would you have the application details in the commit message ? Or in some new file under the "resolutions" directory ? Or in a file in a new "applications" directory ?" | 20:56 |
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| markmc | Kiall, sounds a lot better, yes | 20:56 |
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| ttx | OK, let's iterate one more time and get it approved soon | 20:57 |
| markmc | but then again ... "scalable, on deman" ... true of all OpenStack | 20:57 |
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| Kiall | markmc: Okay, we're happy to make that change - but don't want to change the document mid voting without telling people ;) | 20:57 |
| ttx | * Adds a resolution addressing expected election behaviour (https://review.openstack.org/98675) | 20:57 |
| anteaya | o/ | 20:57 |
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| markmcclain | ttx: yes orthogonal but in the comments of this review | 20:57 |
| ttx | Not as much time to discuss that as I'd like to | 20:57 |
| ttx | Let's comment on te Gerrit review | 20:57 |
| anteaya | comments so far range from none of the tc can be included in the process to all of the tc must be included | 20:57 |
| mikal | anteaya: yeah, do both of those | 20:58 |
| anteaya | so patchset 2 will be a challenge for me | 20:58 |
| anteaya | you got it | 20:58 |
| anteaya | additional comments welcome | 20:58 |
| mugsie | anteaya: if you have any questions about what I meant in my comments, ping me | 20:58 |
| eglynn | anteaya: ... well to be fair, it was more that it must be spelled out which it is | 20:58 |
| ttx | yeah, I think everyone agrees with the general intent, but the escalation process in case of violation may still need a bit of refinement | 20:58 |
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| anteaya | which needs to take into account our voting process | 20:58 |
| anteaya | the timing around it and how it currently works | 20:59 |
| eglynn | ... and who does the investigating | 20:59 |
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| eglynn | ... and the finding of guilt, and deciding the penalty | 20:59 |
| anteaya | who has time to do the investigating | 20:59 |
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| anteaya | not guilt, violation | 21:00 |
| ttx | OK, let's continue on the review. I know a lot of people haven't reviewed it yet ( includeing me) | 21:00 |
| anteaya | different words | 21:00 |
| ttx | * Add translation support requirement (https://review.openstack.org/97872) | 21:00 |
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| ttx | same here, needs a bit more reviews | 21:00 |
| ttx | #topic Housekeeping items | 21:00 |
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| ttx | * Sync infra projects list (https://review.openstack.org/98239) | 21:00 |
| ttx | That one I shall approve after meeting, unless someone complains NOW | 21:00 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:01 |
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| ttx | Famous last words, anyone ? | 21:01 |
| russellb | we talked about blogging our activities, i'll take a stab at covering this week | 21:01 |
| anteaya | yay | 21:01 |
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| dhellmann | thanks, russellb! | 21:01 |
| mikal | russellb: thanks | 21:01 |
| ttx | russellb: still working out the details of the o.o/blog accounts | 21:01 |
| jaypipes | russellb: ty | 21:01 |
| russellb | ttx: will just post to mine for now | 21:02 |
| zaneb | russellb: ++ | 21:02 |
| russellb | tomorrow morning | 21:02 |
| ttx | russellb: ok | 21:02 |
| ttx | Maybe we should just post to personal blogs nd keep some common title | 21:02 |
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| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 10 21:02:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-06-10-20.03.html | 21:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-06-10-20.03.txt | 21:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-06-10-20.03.log.html | 21:03 |
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| markmcclain | if it ends up on planet than we're good | 21:03 |
| ttx | dhellmann, dolphm, notmyname, eglynn, markwash, jgriffith, mikal, zaneb, david-lyle, kmestery, SlickNik, SergeyLukjanov: around ? | 21:03 |
| devananda | dhellmann: on 97872, this seems to settle the discussion of "should we translate log messages". Is that the intent? | 21:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 21:03 |
| mestery | o/ | 21:03 |
| markwash | o/ | 21:03 |
| dolphm | o/ | 21:03 |
| SlickNik | o/ | 21:03 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:03 |
| mikal | Hi! | 21:03 |
| zaneb | here, but might have to disappear in ~ half an hour | 21:03 |
| * fungi standing in for jeblair | 21:03 | |
| jgriffith | o/ | 21:03 |
| notmyname | here | 21:03 |
| * mrunge for david-lyle | 21:03 | |
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| ttx | zaneb: hopefully we'll be done by then :) | 21:03 |
| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 10 21:03:56 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:04 |
| ttx | Agenda for today is available at: | 21:04 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:04 |
| eglynn | o/ | 21:04 |
| ttx | #topic News from the 1:1 sync points | 21:04 |
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| ttx | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ptl_sync/2014/ptl_sync.2014-06-10-08.41.html | 21:04 |
| ttx | #topic Other program news | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Other program news (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:05 | |
| ttx | Infra, QA, Docs... anything you'd like to mention ? | 21:05 |
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| ttx | mtreinish, fungi ? | 21:05 |
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| ttx | annegentle (if still around) ? | 21:05 |
| fungi | ttx: nothing new from infra. be kind, test your patches ;) | 21:05 |
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| ttx | fungi: the gate fire seems to be mostly under control now ? | 21:05 |
| fungi | the gate's not nearly as far behind as last week | 21:06 |
| fungi | right | 21:06 |
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| mtreinish | ttx: nothing from me today, was heads down trying to debug the gate last week | 21:06 |
| fungi | looking at ~3-4 hour delays in approval to merge at the moment | 21:06 |
| ttx | Still a lot to process for juno-1 | 21:06 |
| ttx | which brings us to the next topic | 21:06 |
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| dhellmann | 3-4 hours is pretty good for a weekday | 21:06 |
| ttx | #topic Juno-1 tagging | 21:06 |
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| ttx | #info juno-1 needs to be tagged between now and Thursday | 21:06 |
| eglynn | are we going to explicit wait for gate drainage? | 21:07 |
| ttx | By the end of the day the j-1 plans should reflect what is already approved and in-flight | 21:07 |
| eglynn | *explicitly | 21:07 |
| ttx | eglynn: hmm, not sure I understand your question | 21:07 |
| ttx | We should generally shoot for tagging tomorrow, rather than stretch it to Thursday | 21:07 |
| eglynn | ttx: ... I mean, wait for the verification queue of approved patches to drain | 21:07 |
| mikal | ttx: I was intending to produce a git sha interactively with you tonight my time, tomorrow morning your time. Is that ok with you? | 21:08 |
| eglynn | ttx: ... or just go with whatever has landed by EoD tmrw | 21:08 |
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| ttx | eglynn: ideally we should tag when what was approved today gets merged | 21:08 |
| eglynn | just mainly wondering about gate-lag | 21:08 |
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| eglynn | ttx: k, that sounds reasonable | 21:09 |
| ttx | but we can also have exceptions, if like a blueprint completion is a few hours away in the queue | 21:09 |
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| ttx | so when you have everything you want in juno-1, just let me know a SHA I can use for the juno-1 tag | 21:09 |
| ttx | and i'll make it happen | 21:09 |
| ttx | It's fine if stuff is deferred, juno-1 is just a point in time | 21:10 |
| ttx | it should reflect what we amnaged to squeeze in by that date | 21:10 |
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| ttx | Questions on juno-1 ? | 21:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, will we have proposed branches this time? | 21:10 |
| ttx | mikal: I have to run an errand tomorrow morning | 21:11 |
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| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: no | 21:11 |
| mikal | ttx: ok, I can just send you an email then | 21:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, ok | 21:11 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: we tag directly on master, new process | 21:11 |
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| ttx | mikal: you can also say "tag when change N merges" | 21:12 |
| mikal | ttx: ok | 21:12 |
| fungi | ttx: give me or someone in infra a heads up before you push the first tag on master just so we can be on top of triage if it goes bad | 21:12 |
| ttx | as long as you tell me what to do if it gets booted out of the gate queue (block or release) | 21:12 |
| fungi | though in reality i can't think of reasons it should | 21:12 |
| ttx | fungi: ok, will wait until you're up | 21:12 |
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| ttx | I have a tag for Glance already | 21:13 |
| ttx | err, a SHA for glance | 21:13 |
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| markwash | go glance! | 21:13 |
| ttx | fungi: we could try to push the tag for it just after meeting ? | 21:13 |
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| * markwash contributes | 21:13 | |
| fungi | ttx: sure | 21:14 |
| ttx | Other questions ? | 21:14 |
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| ttx | #topic Enable Autokick BP adjustment script | 21:14 |
| * dolphm is envious of real PTLs like markwash | 21:14 | |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Enable Autokick BP adjustment script (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:14 | |
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| ttx | I finalized a new version of the script that adjusts milestone and series goal in Launchpad | 21:14 |
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| ttx | For projects using -specs it will also automatically clear the "milestone target" field if it's set on an unprioritized blueprint | 21:14 |
| ttx | The goal being to use the milestone target as a blessed list | 21:14 |
| ttx | rather than duplicate the entry point for people wanting to submit features (spec in Gerrit + BP in Launchpad) | 21:15 |
| ttx | I've run it for most projects during the 1:1 sync today, and plan to run it on cron every 2/3 hours starting tomorrow | 21:15 |
| ttx | Any final objection ? | 21:15 |
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| ttx | notmyname: I did not enable the script for swift, since you don't have a juno milestone yet | 21:15 |
| zaneb | ttx: consider putting "this is an automated message" in the comment it leaves | 21:15 |
| mestery | None here, thanks for setting this up ttx! | 21:15 |
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| dolphm | mestery: ++ | 21:16 |
| notmyname | ttx: ack | 21:16 |
| ttx | zaneb: I just like to get the angry people complaining about it | 21:16 |
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| fungi | sounds pretty awesome | 21:16 |
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| ttx | #agreed autokick script to run under cron from now on | 21:16 |
| ttx | NB: I promised a script that would facilitate creating a BP to track an accepted spec, still working on it | 21:16 |
| ttx | It's delayed due to launchpad not supporting creating BPs from the API, so I have to play tricks around it | 21:16 |
| zaneb | ttx: I'm more worried about people who think they have brought your wrath down on themselves ;) | 21:16 |
| ttx | Stay tuned -- in the mean time just manually file them, like you always did :) | 21:16 |
| eglynn | is the wiki updated to describe the user visible aspects of the new process? | 21:17 |
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| ttx | #action ttx to add "this is an automated message" to the whiteboard warning | 21:17 |
| eglynn | ... i.e. that the filing of a BP in LP will now be a drivers/PTL action *after* the corresponding action has landed | 21:17 |
| ttx | eglynn: unfortunately, not. It's on my TODO list, hope to do it tomorrow | 21:17 |
| eglynn | ttx: cool, thanks! | 21:17 |
| eglynn | ... corresponding *spec has landed | 21:18 |
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| ttx | #topic Sahara-dashboard to Horizon merge progress | 21:18 |
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| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: floor is yours | 21:18 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, thanks | 21:18 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, the current progress is near to 0 | 21:19 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mostly all patches are under review | 21:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but there is a lack of reviews to make them all landed in juno | 21:19 |
| eglynn | SergeyLukjanov: are the patches getting reviewer traction? | 21:19 |
| eglynn | k | 21:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I presume crobertsrh is here, he is doing this work from sahara side | 21:20 |
| crobertsrh | Yes, I am here. | 21:20 |
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| ttx | mrunge is here for Horizon | 21:20 |
| eglynn | I think david-lyle is on vacation | 21:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, cool, any details? | 21:20 |
| mrunge | yes, correct | 21:20 |
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| crobertsrh | Reviewer traction has increased a bit today, but we haven't seen much action from the cores yet. | 21:20 |
| mrunge | it seems like most Horizon cores are quite busy with other stuff | 21:21 |
| mrunge | and we have an insane queue of patches to review in horizon | 21:21 |
| mrunge | that the sad status | 21:21 |
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| mrunge | that's ^ | 21:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh, I understand | 21:22 |
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| * fungi thinks we all know what that's like | 21:22 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | we've agreed on design summit that if we'll not be able to merge sahara-dashboard into horizon in j2 timeframe | 21:23 |
| * jgriffith sighhs | 21:23 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | than we'll need to rollback to the separate repo for juno release | 21:23 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mrunge, do you have any suggestions for improving the review process? | 21:24 |
| lcheng | crobertsrh: is it possible to have a recorded demo of sahara to help reviewers visualize how it should look (I'm not sure how easy it is to setup sahara in devstack) | 21:24 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | docs for running / testing horizon with sahara were requested initially and AFAIK crobertsrh shared them | 21:24 |
| crobertsrh | lcheng: There are a couple of videos on youtube. I will try to find them for you. | 21:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | lcheng, I have a screencast recorded for icehouse release somewhere, I'll find it and share | 21:25 |
| lcheng | crobertsrh: awesome, just add the links on the BP | 21:25 |
| lcheng | SergeyLukjanov: thanks! | 21:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, are you ok with rollback plan? | 21:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mrunge, thanks for +2ing sahara patch ;) | 21:26 |
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| crobertsrh | mrunge, that made my day :) | 21:27 |
| mrunge | SergeyLukjanov, crobertsrh that's just one +2 | 21:27 |
| ttx | I think it's very important to expose the integrated functionality in horizon | 21:27 |
| mrunge | and you just dropped off 8k lines of code | 21:27 |
| crobertsrh | I'm easy to please | 21:28 |
| ttx | it's a major new feature of Juno Horizon | 21:28 |
| eglynn | are those 8 KLOCs nicely split up? | 21:28 |
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| crobertsrh | 9 or 10 patch sets. Generally 1 new panel per patch | 21:28 |
| eglynn | ... or just a few monolithic patches? | 21:28 |
| eglynn | k | 21:28 |
| ttx | if it's not landed by j-2 then yes, probably better to ship it separately | 21:28 |
| fungi | ~1000 loc per patch is still pretty huge | 21:28 |
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| ttx | but we should try our best to have it in by then | 21:28 |
| mrunge | I still think, we should be able to merge | 21:28 |
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| mrunge | given, that reviewers will do their duties | 21:29 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mrunge, ttx, yup, I still think that we'll be able to do it too | 21:29 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov, mrunge: we should watch progress there from time to time, don't hesitate to raise it again at future meetings | 21:29 |
| eglynn | ... so is the train of patches to be gated on a -2'd sentinel patch? | 21:29 |
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| eglynn | ... so that either all or none land by juno-2? | 21:29 |
| mrunge | rollback? | 21:29 |
| eglynn | (... in the style of the recent swift approach) | 21:30 |
| mrunge | there were a bunch of minors until now | 21:30 |
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| mikal | You could try the approach we're planning for the nova ironic driver | 21:30 |
| ttx | eglynn: I think the current thinking is to roll them back. They are guarded by a feature switch IIUC | 21:30 |
| mikal | Build a chain of patches, with the first one having a -2 | 21:30 |
| eglynn | http://openstack.10931.n7.nabble.com/Swift-storage-policies-merge-plan-td41512.html | 21:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, ack, I'm monitoring the progress | 21:30 |
| mikal | Once all the rest of the chain is approved, remove that first -2 | 21:30 |
| mikal | They merge as a block | 21:31 |
| eglynn | ^^^ that's the swift approach I mentioned | 21:31 |
| mikal | Oh nice | 21:31 |
| mikal | I thought we'd invented it | 21:31 |
| mikal | :P | 21:31 |
| fungi | yeah, infra has done that a few times in the past for similar situations as well | 21:31 |
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| fungi | i think it's convergent evolution | 21:31 |
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| eglynn | "convergent evolution" ... /me likee :) | 21:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mrunge, could horizon split affect sahara merge to horizon? | 21:32 |
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| mrunge | SergeyLukjanov, in theory: no | 21:32 |
| notmyname | we're actually going to try to end up with one merge commit to gate. to avoid weeks-to-months in the gate to land the chain | 21:32 |
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| eglynn | seems like a neat idea, whoever invented it | 21:32 |
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| fungi | yeah, it's worth noting we've seen gerrit's jgit behave badly on dependent patch series >~4-5 changes. it will just arbitrarily claim it ran into merge conflicts. i think there's an upstream bug reported but not sure of the status | 21:33 |
| mrunge | SergeyLukjanov, you're just putting code to openstack_dashboard, not to horizon dir. that shouldn't be affected at all by horizon split | 21:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mrunge, that's cool | 21:33 |
| ttx | ok, anything more on atht topic ? We should revisit it every 2 or 3 meetings to make sure we are all in sync | 21:34 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: I'll let you put it back on the agenda regularly ;) | 21:34 |
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| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:35 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, ok, thx | 21:35 |
| mrunge | SergeyLukjanov, probably you guys should show up on the Horizon weekly meetings as well | 21:35 |
| mestery | So, I wanted to discuss the "ssh timeout" issue here. | 21:35 |
| mestery | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1323658 | 21:35 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1323658 in nova "SSH EOFError - Public network connectivity check failed" [Undecided,New] | 21:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mrunge, crobertsrh is attending them AFAIK | 21:35 |
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| mestery | I put some comments in the bug, but it looks like in the cases I've examined, the guest VM never comes back from a resize/restart. | 21:35 |
| mestery | Was hoping to get some nova eyes on that bug. :) | 21:35 |
| crobertsrh | Yes, I attend them | 21:35 |
| ttx | mikal: ^? | 21:36 |
| crobertsrh | I'll try to be more vocal | 21:36 |
| mikal | What version of libvirt are we running in the gate now? | 21:36 |
| sdague | mikal: just be aware that if you drop a ton of patches all at once into the gate - you do a mini dos attack | 21:36 |
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| mestery | Myself, armax and salv-orlando spent a lot of time debugging that over the past week and a half to get to this point. :) | 21:36 |
| mikal | mestery: I think you might need to start an openstack-dev thread about that if you haven't already | 21:36 |
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| mikal | mestery: I don't have an answer off the top of my head | 21:37 |
| mestery | mikal: Will do, I'll start that after the meeting. | 21:37 |
| sdague | oh, we should get mriedem in here | 21:37 |
| mestery | mikal: OK, thanks! | 21:37 |
| mikal | mestery: although we've seen some weird behaviour with snapshots in our ancient version of libvirt | 21:37 |
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| sdague | the sneaking suspicion at this point is it's floating ip related | 21:37 |
| mikal | mestery: I wonder if this is similar | 21:37 |
| mestery | mikal: I was suspecting an older version of libvirt possibly as well. | 21:37 |
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| sdague | and it times with when ceilometer landed a floating ip polling patch | 21:37 |
| sdague | which causes tracebacks in n-api | 21:38 |
| mestery | The logs all show neutron has set everyting up. | 21:38 |
| mestery | when I added a console dump of the guest when the failurie is hit, there is no console output in the return value. :) | 21:38 |
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| ttx | mestery: if we can't blame neutron anymore for all weird issues... | 21:38 |
| mestery | ttx: :P | 21:38 |
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| ttx | mestery: we won't get to a solution in the meeting, so yes, raising a ML thread about it should help getting nova eyes on it. This is a major offender so hopefully it should get people attention | 21:40 |
| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 21:41 |
| mestery | ttx: Doing it now in fact. Thanks! | 21:41 |
| jgriffith | ttx: your script works wonderfully! | 21:41 |
| * ttx quicklooks the gate | 21:41 | |
| ttx | jgriffith: as in people blame me instead of you ? | 21:41 |
| jgriffith | ttx: now if it can just hit people over the head with a virtual hammer when they retarget something after it's run | 21:41 |
| jgriffith | ttx: haha! | 21:41 |
| jgriffith | ttx: another advantage I hadn't thought of | 21:42 |
| fungi | jgriffith: you need to come at them with a clue-by-four | 21:42 |
| jgriffith | fungi: LOL | 21:42 |
| notmyname | ttx o/ | 21:42 |
| jgriffith | fungi: I should be careful, lest I'm hit with one myself | 21:42 |
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| ttx | eglynn: is hbase-events-feature completed by the merging of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91408/ ? | 21:43 |
| ttx | notmyname: shoot | 21:43 |
| eglynn | ttx: yes, it sure is | 21:43 |
| ttx | ok will mark it implemented | 21:43 |
| notmyname | as we've been using a feature branch in swift, I'd like to propose a summit session on using feature branches as a common thing (as opposed to squashed branches as one patch). something to discuss in paris | 21:44 |
| notmyname | err...to rephrase, we've used one feature branch. it has advantages and disadvantages | 21:44 |
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| ttx | notmyname: ok, hopefully we'll remember that by then :) | 21:44 |
| * eglynn wonders why the LP auto-update didn't kick in when the patch landed ... | 21:44 | |
| notmyname | ttx: I'll remind you. we'll have one for the erasure code work anyway | 21:44 |
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| ttx | eglynn: I don't think we have such a thing | 21:45 |
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| eglynn | ttx: ... a-ha, /me was thinking of LP bugs | 21:46 |
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| ttx | ok, looks like we don't have anything else to discuss | 21:46 |
| ttx | at least for today | 21:46 |
| ttx | so... | 21:47 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:47 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 10 21:47:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-06-10-21.03.html | 21:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-06-10-21.03.txt | 21:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-06-10-21.03.log.html | 21:47 |
| eglynn | good night all! | 21:47 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone | 21:47 |
| mestery | Thanks ttx! | 21:47 |
| mikal | :) | 21:47 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, thx! | 21:49 |
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