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| ilyashakhat | hi! | 15:00 |
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| ilyashakhat | it's time for Stackalytics meeting | 15:00 |
| ilyashakhat | #startmeeting | 15:00 |
| openstack | ilyashakhat: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 15:00 |
| ilyashakhat | #startmeeting Stackalytics | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 16 15:00:39 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ilyashakhat. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Stackalytics)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'stackalytics' | 15:00 |
| hnarkaytis | yeahh!!! lets have some fun | 15:00 |
| ilyashakhat | #topic news | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "news (Meeting topic: Stackalytics)" | 15:01 | |
| ilyashakhat | release 0.4 happened last Thur | 15:01 |
| hnarkaytis | link plz | 15:01 |
| ilyashakhat | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Stackalytics#Release_Notes | 15:01 |
| hnarkaytis | cool! | 15:02 |
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| hnarkaytis | what about plans for next cycle& | 15:03 |
| ilyashakhat | #topic roadmap for the next release | 15:03 |
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| hnarkaytis | do we have any blueprints? | 15:03 |
| ilyashakhat | let's take a look at bps https://blueprints.launchpad.net/stackalytics | 15:03 |
| ilyashakhat | the first is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/stackalytics/+spec/extend-russell-report | 15:03 |
| hnarkaytis | yeahh, I like this one | 15:04 |
| hnarkaytis | approve | 15:04 |
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| hnarkaytis | so there would be a couple of additional metrics | 15:06 |
| ilyashakhat | currently we have a good top of reviewers and want to extend it | 15:06 |
| hnarkaytis | like number of commits and patchsets | 15:06 |
| ilyashakhat | that will correlate more with what "cores" look like | 15:06 |
| ilyashakhat | they do most reviews and do a number of commits | 15:06 |
| hnarkaytis | I wonder if Russel is here right now | 15:07 |
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| russellb | sort of | 15:07 |
| hnarkaytis | hi there | 15:07 |
| hnarkaytis | we decided to extend your report | 15:07 |
| hnarkaytis | so there would be more transparency for promotion to core | 15:08 |
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| hnarkaytis | so what about other BP? | 15:09 |
| hnarkaytis | I see metric - patchset | 15:10 |
| ilyashakhat | another candidate is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/stackalytics/+spec/metric-patchset | 15:10 |
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| hnarkaytis | yahh - this one is easy | 15:10 |
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| ilyashakhat | this metric shows a number of patchsets posted for review | 15:10 |
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| ilyashakhat | also we can add some module summary, like the ratio between posted patches and merged | 15:11 |
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| hnarkaytis | BTW, getting back to Russells report. There is another idea, to make it more interactive - add drop-down with report period in days, and drop-down with projects list | 15:12 |
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| ilyashakhat | yep, that's doable | 15:12 |
| hnarkaytis | do we have this idea in BP? | 15:12 |
| ilyashakhat | yep | 15:12 |
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| hnarkaytis | cool | 15:13 |
| ilyashakhat | hnarkaytis: let's go further | 15:13 |
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| hnarkaytis | well - this is not enough for next release cycle | 15:13 |
| ilyashakhat | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/stackalytics/+spec/openstack-status | 15:13 |
| hnarkaytis | we need some killer feature | 15:13 |
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| hnarkaytis | this one doesn't look reasonable... there would be 99% of python and 1% of HTML | 15:15 |
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| ilyashakhat | agree | 15:15 |
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| hnarkaytis | number of downloads is not trackable | 15:15 |
| ilyashakhat | and we don't have any info on download | 15:15 |
| hnarkaytis | lets abandon this one | 15:15 |
| hnarkaytis | so what ablut killer feature? | 15:16 |
| ilyashakhat | move bp to deferred? | 15:16 |
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| hnarkaytis | yeah - lets move it to deferred | 15:16 |
| hnarkaytis | there was an idea to add more functionality around timeline | 15:16 |
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| hnarkaytis | trends analysis | 15:16 |
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| ilyashakhat | what is that about? | 15:18 |
| hnarkaytis | at least we need a decent legend for timeline | 15:18 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 15:18 |
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| ilyashakhat | legend is easy-doing-thing | 15:18 |
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| hnarkaytis | probably more controls to manipulate timeline | 15:19 |
| hnarkaytis | something like Google analytics | 15:19 |
| ilyashakhat | SergeyLukjanov: do you have any ptl requests? | 15:19 |
| ilyashakhat | we are limited by library here | 15:19 |
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| ilyashakhat | they don't provide such functionality | 15:19 |
| ilyashakhat | only static image | 15:20 |
| hnarkaytis | I have an idea! lets track visits to personal pages and calculate popularity of developers | 15:20 |
| ilyashakhat | or find the one who checks his stats most :) | 15:21 |
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| hnarkaytis | actually I can extract such report from google analitycs | 15:21 |
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| hnarkaytis | there was a request on projects grouping | 15:22 |
| ilyashakhat | #topic Open Bugs | 15:22 |
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| ilyashakhat | here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/stackalytics/+bug/1244485 | 15:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1244485 in stackalytics "Grouping used in stackalytics is inaccurate/incorrect" [High,New] | 15:22 |
| hnarkaytis | lets discuss details | 15:22 |
| chandankumar | hello | 15:23 |
| chandankumar | sorry i got late | 15:23 |
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| hnarkaytis | we are talking about projects grouping | 15:23 |
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| ilyashakhat | hnarkaytis: for example tempest is currently in 'other' group, but should be in core | 15:23 |
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| hnarkaytis | right now we have 5 top level categories | 15:24 |
| chandankumar | ilyashakhat, hnarkaytis hello | 15:24 |
| ilyashakhat | chandankumar: hi! | 15:24 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | probably, I'd like to see some stats about code review latency, like http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/all-openreviews.html | 15:24 |
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| hnarkaytis | chandankumar: hi | 15:25 |
| ilyashakhat | SergeyLukjanov: http://stackalytics.com/report/reviews/neutron/open | 15:25 |
| hnarkaytis | I beleive that we already have this report | 15:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and something like http://status.openstack.org/reviews/ but for projects groups | 15:25 |
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| hnarkaytis | SergeyLukjanov: tell us more about this report | 15:26 |
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| hnarkaytis | what is S and F? | 15:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hnarkaytis, it's a prioritized list that could be used be reviewers to take the hottest CRs to review first | 15:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | by reviewers* | 15:27 |
| ilyashakhat | hottest = most reviewed? | 15:28 |
| ilyashakhat | do you know the criteria? | 15:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | that needs review | 15:28 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | S == some score of the importance | 15:28 |
| chandankumar | SergeyLukjanov, CR means? | 15:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | F == feedback | 15:28 |
| DinaBelova | chandankumar, Change Request | 15:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | chandankumar, code review | 15:29 |
| DinaBelova | oh :) | 15:29 |
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| hnarkaytis | any ideas how this score is calculated? | 15:29 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | DinaBelova, change requests works too | 15:29 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, yep, both appropriate :) | 15:29 |
| chandankumar | :) | 15:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hnarkaytis, it consists of importance of bugs/blueprints linked to this CR | 15:30 |
| ilyashakhat | well, Stackalytics doesn't have bugs info | 15:30 |
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| hnarkaytis | well, we need to look into this report offline | 15:31 |
| ilyashakhat | so it would be impossible to calc this | 15:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and I think that it should depend on reviewers latency | 15:31 |
| hnarkaytis | BTW, statistics on bugs is a good idea | 15:31 |
| ilyashakhat | #action hnarkaytis to look at how http://status.openstack.org/reviews/ is calculated | 15:31 |
| chandankumar | hnarkaytis, yes | 15:31 |
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| hnarkaytis | lets add a BP with bugs metric | 15:32 |
| chandankumar | hnarkaytis, can we add a feature that a user can filed a bug on launch pad. | 15:33 |
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| chandankumar | is shown in stackalytics? | 15:33 |
| hnarkaytis | chandankumar: I can't say that I understood you correctly... | 15:33 |
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| chandankumar | ok, i can tell about this after meeting | 15:34 |
| hnarkaytis | ok, lets take this offline | 15:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it'll be really cool to have some page 'to review' that'll show all change requests that are not yet reviewed by the current user atm especially if it'll be possible to specify several project groups to be shown | 15:34 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | with prioritie | 15:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | are there any plans to add user settings? | 15:35 |
| hnarkaytis | for now Stackalytics is stateless | 15:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | you now all launchpad ids and it's really easy to impl launchpad-based auth | 15:35 |
| ilyashakhat | user settings -- no | 15:35 |
| ilyashakhat | SergeyLukjanov: list of reviews -- isn't it the same that gerrit shows? | 15:36 |
| hnarkaytis | otherwise it would be impossible to deploy another copy and double check correctness of numbers | 15:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ilyashakhat, the main thing is to correctly sort them | 15:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and hide already reviewed by you | 15:36 |
| ilyashakhat | ah | 15:37 |
| ilyashakhat | got it | 15:37 |
| ilyashakhat | it | 15:37 |
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| ilyashakhat | it's not possible to hide already reviewed in gerrit, right? | 15:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yup, you can't specify filter like review by NNN | 15:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sort isn't depends on user setting | 15:38 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and to hide CR you just need the users launchpad id | 15:38 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | is it possible to see open CRs at stackalytics atm? | 15:38 |
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| hnarkaytis | yes - we have this information | 15:39 |
| ilyashakhat | but we don't have report that shows all open | 15:39 |
| ilyashakhat | maybe we can add report available with LP auth that shows smth like 'recommended for review' | 15:39 |
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| ilyashakhat | and that's gonna be a killa feature | 15:40 |
| hnarkaytis | well - this sounds more reasonable | 15:40 |
| hnarkaytis | lets put this idea into BP and sleep with it for a night | 15:40 |
| chandankumar | ;) | 15:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ping me when you'll think about the score calculation | 15:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think that I have some ideas | 15:41 |
| hnarkaytis | ok, I'll find you | 15:41 |
| ilyashakhat | plz add them to bp :) | 15:41 |
| hnarkaytis | I want to get back to grouping | 15:41 |
| hnarkaytis | right now we have 5 top level groups | 15:42 |
| hnarkaytis | according to official documents - there should be only 3 - core, integrated, incubated | 15:42 |
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| hnarkaytis | originally we decided to extract documentation into dedicated group, beacuse it generates much more LOCs then any other | 15:43 |
| hnarkaytis | infrastructure is listed as a part of core programms | 15:43 |
| ilyashakhat | and what about projects like 'gitdm', 'statusbot' | 15:44 |
| ilyashakhat | where do they go? | 15:44 |
| hnarkaytis | 'other' | 15:44 |
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| ilyashakhat | and what goes as 'infra'? | 15:44 |
| hnarkaytis | so there would be 4 categories: core, integrated, incubated, other | 15:44 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | do we really need core? | 15:46 |
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| hnarkaytis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/stackalytics/+bug/1244485 | 15:46 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1244485 in stackalytics "Grouping used in stackalytics is inaccurate/incorrect" [High,New] | 15:46 |
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| hnarkaytis | core - is the main group. there is no option to remove it | 15:47 |
| ilyashakhat | SergeyLukjanov: if not, where all core projects go? | 15:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | integrated | 15:47 |
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| ilyashakhat | officially integrated != core | 15:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | for me there are several groups: [official: [integrated],[incubated]] [others] | 15:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | core is the subgroup for integrated | 15:48 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and afaiu it's not really clear def of core | 15:49 |
| hnarkaytis | we don't want to have the 3rd level of classification | 15:49 |
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| hnarkaytis | probably we need to replace tree-like classification on tags | 15:50 |
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| ilyashakhat | super-groups like module-groups | 15:50 |
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| hnarkaytis | then it would not be a problem to calculate stats on documentation | 15:51 |
| ilyashakhat | and remove project type selector completely | 15:51 |
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| hnarkaytis | lets discuss this offline. probably tags is a good idea | 15:51 |
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| ilyashakhat | #action discuss tags vs project types | 15:52 |
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| ilyashakhat | so I guess that's pretty all with agenda | 15:52 |
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| ilyashakhat | #topic open discussion | 15:52 |
| hnarkaytis | ilyashakhat: do we have anything else if our backlog for today's meeting | 15:52 |
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| hnarkaytis | I have a question | 15:53 |
| ilyashakhat | yes, please | 15:53 |
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| hnarkaytis | is there any sense to apply for incubated for Stackalytics? | 15:53 |
| ilyashakhat | well, our mission is not related to OS, but related to community | 15:54 |
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| ilyashakhat | do you think we map to definition of Program? | 15:55 |
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| hnarkaytis | yeah - we are not tied to OS... | 15:55 |
| hnarkaytis | I prefer to have Stackalytics more independent from official programs | 15:55 |
| ilyashakhat | as it is now? | 15:56 |
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| hnarkaytis | yeah | 15:56 |
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| hnarkaytis | well - I think we are done | 15:56 |
| hnarkaytis | lets wrap up | 15:56 |
| ilyashakhat | ok, I think it's time to say goodbye) | 15:57 |
| ilyashakhat | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 16 15:57:06 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stackalytics/2013/stackalytics.2013-12-16-15.00.html | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stackalytics/2013/stackalytics.2013-12-16-15.00.txt | 15:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stackalytics/2013/stackalytics.2013-12-16-15.00.log.html | 15:57 |
| hnarkaytis | ilyashakhat: bye | 15:57 |
| chandankumar | ilyashakhat, Thank you for the meeting | 15:57 |
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| hnarkaytis | chandankumar: bye | 15:57 |
| chandankumar | hnarkaytis, bye | 15:57 |
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| ilyashakhat | bye everyone | 15:57 |
| chandankumar | ilyashakhat, may i get a bug to work on? | 15:57 |
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| ilyashakhat | chandankumar: what about to add module and time period selector to review stats report? | 15:59 |
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| ilyashakhat | i'll create a bug tomorrow | 15:59 |
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| chandankumar | ilyashakhat, yes that will work. | 16:00 |
| ilyashakhat | it's time to free room for next meeting :) | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | hi guys | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 16:00 |
| gokrokve | hi | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 16 16:00:40 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
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| igormarnat | Hi, guys! | 16:00 |
| stanlagun | hi! | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | let's start | 16:01 |
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| akuznets_ | hi | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Review AIs | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | btw, here's the link to agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MistralAgenda | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | the first one: | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | rakhmerov, submit blueprints for TaskFlow about lacking functionality (i.e. asynchronous tasks) | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | for now I submitted 1 BP for TaskFlow related to asynchronous tasks processing: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/taskflow/+spec/async-tasks | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | this is the most important thing for us that TaskFlow folks are working on now | 16:04 |
| NikolayM | hi! | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | hi ) | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | like we discussed before we decided to implement Mistral engine without TaskFlow for now and work with TaskFlow guys on additional requirements | 16:05 |
| igormarnat | Did you have a chance to discuss the BP with TaskFlow team? Any feedback? | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | well, we discussed in details the whole problem with Joshua and Ivan Melnikov and based on that I created a BP | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | and we're on the same page with them here | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | so yes, Ivan was going to implement some prototype soon and we need to check the status of that | 16:07 |
| igormarnat | Ok, cool | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, check the status of async tasks in TaskFlow with Ivan | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | we also hav an AI: Evaluate an interface of salt minion | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | we didn't get to it last week | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | we need to pas it on to this week, I think it will be possible by the end of the week | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, Evaluate an interface of salt minion | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | the same thing about the next one: Work on joel_c requirement about communication with VM agent | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | we need to get in touch with him to discuss the details | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | gokrokve, can we set up a meeting with joel_c about that? | 16:13 |
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| gokrokve | There is a meeting with Joel at 9 | 16:13 |
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| gokrokve | Yes. I will ask him about it | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | ooh | 16:13 |
| gokrokve | You can also join today | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | I would prefer to have a separate one | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | and know about it in advance :) | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | like we discussed before it can be our next step in development | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | so we need to find out what he needs exactly to take it into account | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | #action gokrokve, set up a meeting with joel_c to find out about his requirements | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | let's move to discussing PoC status | 16:17 |
| gokrokve | ok | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic PoC status | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | at this point we implemented approximately 90% of what we planned | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | including Rest API, python client for Rest API, Scheduler (to run workflows according to cron patterns), authentication and lots of other infrastructural things | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | the main thing that is left is the engine itself | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | last Wed we started working on the 3rd version of it since, as we think, we finally came up with really simple idea of how it can be built with regard to further HA and Scalability requirements | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | so by now we've written all the required code for it and it's just a matter of waiting for a couple of commits (dependencies) to be merged to start testing it | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | I'm planning to start testing it all together tomorrow | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | so by the end of this week we're planning to demonstrate the results of what we did | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | and we agreed to release it with tag "poc" | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | so generally, the work on engine turned to be the most tricky thing but hopefully we found a good solution | 16:24 |
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| igormarnat | It expected to be the most tricky thing, isn't it? | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | yeah, right | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | from the very beginning we didn't have a clear vision of how it should be implemented | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | and I think it's a good achivement that we now have it (at least we think so) | 16:26 |
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| rakhmerov | even though we're a little bit behind the schedule | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:26 |
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| rakhmerov | one special thing that I was going to discuss again is Demo App for PoC | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Discuss Demo App for PoC | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | NikolayM started working on it and looks like we have to implement it in a different way if we want to get it done quickly, not like we planned initially (create VMs, volumes etc.) | 16:29 |
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| igormarnat | BTW, I didn't manage to find any description on wiki or in ether pads. Do we have any? | 16:29 |
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| NikolayM416 | agree with Renat | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | igormarnat, let me doublecheck that | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | the problem is that in order to implement a simple scenario like "Create VMs", "Attach volumes" etc. we need something like a Data Flow already | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | because say if we create a VM as the first step we need a way to transfer a VM id on to the next task | 16:31 |
| akuznetsov | can we simplify the scenario e.g. only backup of VMs | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | this is not yet clear from DSL perspective | 16:31 |
| tnurlygayanov | yes | 16:31 |
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| igormarnat | Or we can create the very simple data flow, something really primitive, can't we? | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsov, yes I think we can but let's ask NikolayM416 | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | igormarnat, I think given our current activities it'll take time, I think ~1 week | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | if we can afford this then yes, we can follow that way | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | so let me list our options first and then we can decide which way to proceed | 16:33 |
| igormarnat | Yep, I just tried to add something to the list of options, not to select one:) | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | 1. Create a simple workflow with OpenStack services that do not require Data Flow | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | 2. Create a simple implementation of Data Flow (~1 week estimation) | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | 3. Create a simple Demo App that exposes 1-2 endpoints, uploads a workflow with webhooks only leading back to those endpoints of the app | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | so option 3 does not assume having OpenStack installed | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | and it generally it can just work locally, when an endpoint gets a request to execute an action from Mistral we could just log it in a beautiful way and demonstrate how tasks are executed | 16:37 |
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| rakhmerov | in what order and with what parameters | 16:37 |
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| rakhmerov | so what are your thoughts guys? | 16:37 |
| igormarnat | BTW, what does Stan say about this? | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | I think NikolayM has already started working on option 3 | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | today | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | but we can change that direction right now | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | NikolayM416, what do you think about option with just making backups? | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | do you think it has some pitfalls? | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | for me it seems to be fine | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | I just want to make sure we will be able to implement it quickly | 16:41 |
| NikolayM416 | rakhmerov: I think it is good idea but it requires auth | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | people are waiting :) | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | authentication should be done | 16:42 |
| igormarnat | I think .3 is fine, providing that we'll start working on implementation of PoC of data flow in parallel with discussion of results of current PoC | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | igormarnat, agree with you | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let me make a suggestion | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | given on the information that you guys provided | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | in my understanding, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62037/ is the only thing we're waiting to be able to create simple (w/o Data Flow) workflows working with OpenStack, right? | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | it's now failing on the tests | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | I think we need to fix it somewhere | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsov, can you please take a look at it tomorrow? | 16:45 |
| akuznetsov | Yes | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | so my suggestion is to proceed with option 3 (simple app w/o OpenStack at all) for now, it should be quickly enough (~1-2 days) | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | and once we merge all required things for authentication and keystone trust mechanism we can create a simple workflow for backing VMs up | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | it should be pretty easy too | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | so, in other words, my suggestion is: | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | 1. High priority: simple demo app with endpoints to demonstrate Mistral w/o OpenStack | 16:48 |
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| rakhmerov | 2. Medium priority: simple workflow for backing up VMs on schedule | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | once we get auth done | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | sounds good for you? | 16:49 |
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| igormarnat | Looks good because it's going to work both with and w/o OS, and will not require changes in engine and app, only an addition of data flow, right? | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | right | 16:50 |
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| rakhmerov | my point here is to start testing engine as soon as possible | 16:50 |
| akuznetsov | I think we should demonstrate Mistral with OpenStack because Mistral is OpenStack project, not an some abstract workflow as service | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | we will, now worries | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | no worries | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | as we get these things done with auth | 16:50 |
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| tnurlygayanov | rakhmerov, ok, when we will have the first prototype which will deploy something? | 16:51 |
| igormarnat | no worries is much better than now worry:) | 16:51 |
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| rakhmerov | yes indeed :) | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | it just bothers me that we didn't start testing all main mechanisms together: REST API, client, Scheduler, engine | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | and that's why I think simple app w/o OpenStack would allow us to finally start doing it | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | I'm pretty sure we'll find a lot of problems once we start doing that | 16:52 |
| tnurlygayanov | yes ) | 16:53 |
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| rakhmerov | but again, don't get me wrong: I want to demonstrate it with OpenStack too | 16:53 |
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| igormarnat | Agree, this is the best way to go | 16:54 |
| igormarnat | Anything else in agenda? | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | #action NikolayM, get a simple demo app done by Wed w/o OpenStack | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | #action akuznetsov, finalize work related with authentication and keystone trusts | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | well, this is the main thing I wanted to bring up actually | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | and I'm glad we agreed on that | 16:56 |
| igormarnat | The audience is small for now, it helps sometimes:) | 16:56 |
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| rakhmerov | yep :) | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | the other thing I was going to talk about is the engine architecture itself but looks like we don't have time today | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | we can do it next time along with results we'll get done | 16:57 |
| igormarnat | Yep, let's postponed it for the future. For now you can drop the link here, if any | 16:57 |
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| rakhmerov | my bad, I think it's still not published on the wiki | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | shame on me (I'm too deep into development now) | 16:58 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, publish POC Mistral Engine architecture on wiki | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's wrap up for today | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | thanks to everyone! | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 16 16:59:09 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2013/mistral.2013-12-16-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2013/mistral.2013-12-16-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2013/mistral.2013-12-16-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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| NobodyCam | #startmeeting Ironic | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #chair devananda | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 16 19:00:02 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Welcome everyone to the Ironic meeting. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Of course the agenda can be found at: | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Greetings, roll-call and announcements (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:00 | |
| NobodyCam | Who's here for the Ironic Meeting? | 19:00 |
| lucas-afk | o/ | 19:00 |
| jdob | o/ | 19:00 |
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| GheRivero | o/ | 19:00 |
| linggao | me | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | welcome all :) | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: is trapped in traffic today | 19:00 |
| matty_dubs | Me! (Pretty new to Ironic, hi all!) | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | hi matty_dubs | 19:01 |
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| rloo_ | o/ | 19:01 |
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| dkehn | me | 19:01 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 19:01 |
| yuriyz | + | 19:01 |
| haomeng2 | Haomeng:) | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | great to see everyone | 19:02 |
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| NobodyCam | one announcement | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | we want to start a new topic in the meeting | 19:02 |
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| vkozhukalov | o/ | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | to go over the BP, and bug reports targeted at the next release.. just make sure we are on track | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | (we'll get to that shortly) | 19:03 |
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| NobodyCam | ahh also.. no meeting next week | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | holiday and all | 19:04 |
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| rloo_ | NobodyCam: is there a meeting the week after that? | 19:04 |
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| NobodyCam | humm | 19:04 |
| rloo_ | NobodyCam: Dec 30 | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | that would be the 1st | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | oh | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | I'm not sure I'll be able to make that one | 19:05 |
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| NobodyCam | but we'll play it by ear and see how many folks are going to be around | 19:05 |
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| rloo_ | NobodyCam: could you just make an action item to let us know when the next meeting is :-) | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | #action (nobodycam) find out when next meeting will be and update agenda with correct time | 19:06 |
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| lucasagomes | I will be on holidays after this week so I won't be able to make the next two meetings | 19:06 |
| haomeng2 | :) | 19:06 |
| jdob | same | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | rloo_: so first glance looks like no meeting | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 19:07 |
| rloo_ | NobodyCam: so can we decide now that it will be Jan whatever? | 19:07 |
| rloo_ | Jan 6 | 19:07 |
| k4n0 | I am here for Ironic meeting, sorry to be late | 19:07 |
| linggao | I will be on vac. back on Jan 2nd. | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | ya 6th looks like it | 19:07 |
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| NobodyCam | but please check the agenda I'll make sure its updated | 19:08 |
| rloo_ | will do! | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | any announcements from any one else? | 19:08 |
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| NobodyCam | moving on. | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Outstanding, in-progress or Action Item updates | 19:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Outstanding, in-progress or Action Item updates (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:09 | |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: is working hard on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/instance-mapping-by-consistent-hash | 19:09 |
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| NobodyCam | we found a slight issue with the nova driver on friday | 19:10 |
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| romcheg1 | I'm still working on tempest and infra | 19:10 |
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| NobodyCam | romcheg1: please check the mailing lists | 19:10 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, that's the problem with the http_client ? | 19:10 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: said there was some good info from the last nova meeting | 19:10 |
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| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: ya | 19:11 |
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| kui | o/ | 19:11 |
| romcheg1 | NobodyCam: will do | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:11 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, right, I started reviewing the driver, didn't finish tho (it was almost end the day here) so I will post my comments tomorrow | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: TY | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | ok lets jump in to the new section: Regular Topics | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Regular Topics | 19:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Regular Topics (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:13 | |
| NobodyCam | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | lets take a few minutes and go over the Bp's and bugs | 19:13 |
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| NobodyCam | only looking at Essential and high priority | 19:15 |
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| NobodyCam | so: romcheg1 anything on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironimigration-from -nova | 19:15 |
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| romcheg1 | NobodyCam: I started making a research on that | 19:16 |
| NobodyCam | :) still on track :) | 19:16 |
| romcheg1 | There are no chassis in nova | 19:16 |
| romcheg1 | But in fact every node has it's chassis | 19:17 |
| rloo_ | NobodyCam: that link doesn't work for me | 19:17 |
| jdob | rloo_: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/migration-from-nova | 19:17 |
| rloo_ | thx jdob | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:17 |
| romcheg1 | Currently I'm not sure how to handle that | 19:17 |
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| matty_dubs | j/win 3 | 19:18 |
| NobodyCam | romcheg1: lets hook up with devananda on that asap.. prob tomorrow morning by the time he's on line | 19:18 |
| lucasagomes | romcheg1, yea, I think there's not much we can do in this case | 19:18 |
| lucasagomes | nova doesn't have the chassis abstraction | 19:19 |
| lucasagomes | so I would just put everything in one chassis | 19:19 |
| rloo_ | is the migration supposed to be automated? | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | rloo_: as much as posiable | 19:19 |
| rloo_ | and/or can info be collected first? | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | possiable | 19:19 |
| rloo_ | (like what chassis they'd like the nodes associated with) | 19:20 |
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| rloo_ | otherwise, i'd go with lucasagomes' suggestion. | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | next one's are on devananda's plate so we'll a update when hes back on line | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | do we have Sun Jing here today? | 19:20 |
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| yuriyz | about bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1260099 I think we need "maintenance" provision state and save current state in target_provision _state | 19:21 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1260099 in ironic "Can not take a node offline for maintenance" [High,Confirmed] | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | ok need to get a update on "use ipmitool to provide serial console access" | 19:21 |
| linggao | She puts some comments in the BP | 19:21 |
| linggao | She is working on it as far as I know. | 19:22 |
| yuriyz | see my comment ^ | 19:22 |
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| linggao | I had some discussion last week. | 19:22 |
| linggao | with her | 19:22 |
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| haomeng2 | I can reach Jing tmorrow morning | 19:22 |
| linggao | She said she'll use ipmitool + shellinabox first. | 19:23 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic | 19:23 |
| NobodyCam | haomeng2: great | 19:23 |
| linggao | then use jbjohn's pyghmi. | 19:23 |
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| linggao | There should be two console implementaions | 19:23 |
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| NobodyCam | haomeng2: can you also check that she is still on track with that one | 19:24 |
| linggao | one use ipmitools for use who choose ipmitool as the power driver | 19:24 |
| haomeng2 | sure:) | 19:24 |
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| NobodyCam | linggao: we only need one to meet graduation requirments | 19:24 |
| linggao | and the other pyghmi for user who choose to use ipminative for the ipminative. | 19:24 |
| haomeng2 | got it | 19:24 |
| NobodyCam | haomeng2: she can just up date the status on the bp as I know timming is tuff | 19:25 |
| linggao | Yes, the other one can be done later after the icehouse release. | 19:25 |
| yuriyz | IMO pyghmi is preferred, but not completed (no sensors, etc.) | 19:25 |
| haomeng2 | ok | 19:25 |
| NobodyCam | lots of high level bugs | 19:25 |
| NobodyCam | not sure we have the time to go thru each one | 19:26 |
| haomeng2 | :) | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | thou I beleieve we have every one here | 19:26 |
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| linggao | yuriyz, yes. We'll plan to add sensor support when jbjonso comes back in Jan. | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | is there anyone blocked on anything releated to the bugs? | 19:26 |
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| lucasagomes | yuriyz, +1 | 19:26 |
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| NobodyCam | please if you are working on a critical or high level bug please update the status as best you can. we have several moving parts at this point are are workig towards release | 19:28 |
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| yuriyz | ok | 19:29 |
| NobodyCam | If you help unblocking anything please reach out for help | 19:29 |
| NobodyCam | gah | 19:29 |
| haomeng2 | ok | 19:29 |
| NobodyCam | *if you NEED help..... | 19:29 |
| NobodyCam | any question/ comments? | 19:29 |
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| NobodyCam | ok moving on. | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Integration and testing | 19:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Integration and testing (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:30 | |
| NobodyCam | romcheg1: you gave a quick update above .. anythig to add? | 19:31 |
| romcheg1 | NobodyCam: Nope | 19:31 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:31 |
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| NobodyCam | just quick update on the dib element other then the issue we found friday (and this morning) things are moving along well | 19:31 |
| NobodyCam | dkehn: can you give a up date on the neutrn intergration work? | 19:33 |
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| dkehn | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60904 wait for final, in the middle of some neutron bugs, next on the list to get to neutron interface | 19:33 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60904 | 19:34 |
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| vkozhukalov | Last week we were working on PoC functional testing scheme. We sent pull request https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62410/2 please have a look. We are open for critisism. By the moment we've made a couple of fake tests and a set of shell scripts which allow to run testing on ubuntu machine. Some comments are available in the beginning of the ironic/irci/README.md file. | 19:34 |
| NobodyCam | dkehn: great.. just off the top of your head do you have a time frame for that(we wont hold you to it) | 19:34 |
| dkehn | NobodyCam: hmm, let me think about that | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | vkozhukalov: ahh I missed the pull request... we'll take a look in a bit | 19:35 |
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| lucasagomes | vkozhukalov, added myself to the review list, I will take a look at it (probably tomorrow) | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62410 | 19:35 |
| vkozhukalov | lucasagomes, thanks. will wait for feedback. | 19:36 |
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| NobodyCam | awesome... good to move on? any Questios / coments? | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | moving on. | 19:37 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Python-IronicClient | 19:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Python-IronicClient (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:37 | |
| NobodyCam | We need more tests around the client | 19:37 |
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| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, +1, specially on the shell part | 19:38 |
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| lucasagomes | romcheg1, https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-ironicclient/+bug/1235431 | 19:38 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1235431 in python-ironicclient "command-line shell lacks unit tests" [High,Triaged] | 19:38 |
| NobodyCam | quick update: seems this patch unknowingly broke some of the client. https://github.com/openstack/python-ironicclient/commit/1fd3fcf59548ca53ea742a140457daabd579fe72 | 19:38 |
| NobodyCam | this was dissuced in channel this morning | 19:39 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, actually it didn't | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 19:40 |
| lucasagomes | the ironic driver on nova was using the libraries wrong | 19:40 |
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| NobodyCam | ahh :) | 19:40 |
| NobodyCam | any other comments on client? | 19:41 |
| NobodyCam | ok moving on | 19:41 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Nova-driver | 19:41 |
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| NobodyCam | just quickly | 19:42 |
| NobodyCam | we will prob start to break up the nova driver so that we are not tring to land a multi k line patch all at once | 19:43 |
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| NobodyCam | any Q / c on the nova-driver | 19:43 |
| matty_dubs | May I ask a really dumb question here? What does 'Nova-driver' refer to? The Ironic driver for Nova? | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | matty_dubs: yep | 19:43 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/51328/ | 19:44 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: quicker then I | 19:44 |
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| lucasagomes | :) I had it open | 19:44 |
| haomeng2 | inclouding scheduler? | 19:44 |
| NobodyCam | hehehe | 19:44 |
| matty_dubs | NobodyCam: Thanks :) | 19:44 |
| NobodyCam | haomeng2: we should not need to change scheduler | 19:45 |
| haomeng2 | bm one. got | 19:45 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:45 |
| NobodyCam | good to move on? | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | #topic API discussion | 19:46 |
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| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: go | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:46 |
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| lucasagomes | heh nothing much to say actually | 19:46 |
| lucasagomes | there was two patches approved yesterday | 19:46 |
| lucasagomes | but I had to rebase (and fix it) | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | so need to be reviewed again | 19:47 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57495/ | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60299/ | 19:47 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: I'll take a look after meeting | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | I also started drafting the blueprint to abort the deployment of the node | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | I put some infos how the API would look like | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/abort-deployment | 19:48 |
| NobodyCam | awesome | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | so I will add more stuff on that tomorrow as well | 19:48 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 19:48 |
| NobodyCam | any other questions / comments on the api | 19:48 |
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| NobodyCam | ok then for the final tan minutes: | 19:49 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Food for Thought / Open Discussion | 19:49 |
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| NobodyCam | open floor! | 19:49 |
| NobodyCam | any comments / questions from anybody | 19:50 |
| matty_dubs | So, I'm looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1260337 and wonder if there's a good way to generate test data. | 19:50 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1260337 in ironic "API objects to generate sample data for the auto-documentation" [Wishlist,In progress] | 19:50 |
| matty_dubs | Maybe this just belongs in the main channel vs. this meeting though | 19:50 |
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| matty_dubs | Being new, I just worry I'd generate test data that didn't represent a real deployment. | 19:51 |
| * NobodyCam looks | 19:51 | |
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| haomeng2 | can we have bp to discover hardware server node? | 19:51 |
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| NobodyCam | matty_dubs: I would start by looking at the test fixtures | 19:51 |
| matty_dubs | Right now I'm just creating nodes and the like manually | 19:52 |
| matty_dubs | NobodyCam: Oh, good thinking. | 19:52 |
| yuriyz | haomeng2 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/discovery-ramdisk | 19:52 |
| NobodyCam | haomeng2: do you have ideas on how to do that | 19:52 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:52 |
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| NobodyCam | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/discovery-ramdisk | 19:52 |
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| haomeng2 | ping ipmi port and try to get mac | 19:52 |
| haomeng2 | will try | 19:53 |
| kushi_ | NobodyCam: I'm kui, Is there some tips to speed up the setup of dev test for ironic ? e.g. http_proxy, and make use of pip-cache / deploy-kexec elements in dib | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | haomeng2: add comments to the bp yuriyz linked in | 19:53 |
| haomeng2 | that is in-band | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | kushi_: yes proxy helps a lot | 19:53 |
| linggao | haomeng2, you can talk to Sun Jing on it. | 19:54 |
| NobodyCam | kushi_: see footnotes at the bottom of: | 19:54 |
| haomeng2 | we need outofband maybe | 19:54 |
| NobodyCam | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tripleo-incubator/devtest.html | 19:54 |
| haomeng2 | ok | 19:54 |
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| haomeng2 | linggao:thank | 19:55 |
| NobodyCam | any thing else on anyone mind | 19:55 |
| kushi_ | NobodyCam: yes, I have set up one. | 19:56 |
| linggao | haomeng2, np. we had discovered two kinds of hw discovery. One was discover through ramdisk. Otherer was autodiscovery and registration of beremetal nodes. | 19:56 |
| haomeng2 | lianggao:ok.will diss with jing | 19:57 |
| linggao | discovered/discussed | 19:57 |
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| NobodyCam | we may want/need to use both methods | 19:57 |
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| linggao | NobodyCam +1 | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, +1 | 19:58 |
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| NobodyCam | :) last two minutes | 19:58 |
| haomeng2 | yes +1 | 19:58 |
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| NobodyCam | if I dont see you before the upcomming holiday's please have a great time and be safe!!! | 19:59 |
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| NobodyCam | great meeting everyone | 19:59 |
| linggao | Have great holidays, everyone! | 19:59 |
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| haomeng2 | getting back to my dream:) | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | anything we missed here we can go over in channel | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | thank you all | 20:00 |
| linggao | haomeng2 +1 :) | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | haomeng2, thanks for coming :) | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 16 20:00:21 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| asadoughi | hi all | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-12-16-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-12-16-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-12-16-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
| haomeng2 | :) | 20:00 |
| asadoughi | #startmeeting blueprint ovs-firewall-driver | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 16 20:00:31 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asadoughi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: blueprint ovs-firewall-driver)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'blueprint_ovs_firewall_driver' | 20:00 |
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| asadoughi | everyone around for the meeting? | 20:01 |
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| asadoughi | say hi if you're here for the blueprint ovs-firewall-driver meeting | 20:01 |
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| JunPark_ | hi asadoughi, this is Jun. | 20:01 |
| asadoughi | hi JunPark_ | 20:01 |
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| JunPark_ | I believe Mike Wilson is here as well. | 20:02 |
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| kanthi | Hi Amir, Kanthi here | 20:03 |
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| asadoughi | hi kanthi | 20:03 |
| geekinutah | hi all | 20:03 |
| geekinutah | <- Mike | 20:03 |
| asadoughi | hi geekinutah | 20:03 |
| asadoughi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_blueprint_ovs-firewall-driver | 20:04 |
| asadoughi | that's the agenda link for today | 20:04 |
| asadoughi | #link blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ovs-firewall-driver | 20:04 |
| asadoughi | #topic Purpose of blueprint | 20:05 |
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| asadoughi | I wanted to restate the purpose of the blueprint so everyone's on the same page as far as the direction. | 20:05 |
| asadoughi | To support the security groups extension in the OVS neutron agent through OVS flows using the existing OVS library with feature parity to the existing iptables-based implementations. In Icehouse, the existing openvswitch plugin is being deprecated, so the blueprint is compatible with the ML2 plugin with the openvswitch mechanism driver. | 20:05 |
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| asadoughi | any questions or comments on the purpose statement? | 20:06 |
| geekinutah | seems solid | 20:06 |
| asadoughi | ok. on to the next topic... | 20:08 |
| asadoughi | #topic Design decisions | 20:08 |
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| asadoughi | ok, so i wanted to talk about ovs and state. so this took up ~30 minutes of the ml2 meeting so i'll try to be more concise here | 20:08 |
| asadoughi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ovs-firewall-driver-stateless-2 | 20:09 |
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| asadoughi | that's a link to the etherpad of where my discussion will be surrounding | 20:09 |
| asadoughi | so, in ovs today, there are two best practices options of implementing security groups: | 20:10 |
| asadoughi | 1. reflexive learning actions (available in OVS today) | 20:10 |
| asadoughi | 2. stateless ACLs with tcp_flags= (in OVS master, but not in a tagged version of OVS AFAIK) | 20:10 |
| asadoughi | 3. stateless ACLs (self explanatory) | 20:11 |
| asadoughi | so, the design decision i wanted to bring to the community was how do we want to implement security groups using 2 (almost 3 options) | 20:11 |
| asadoughi | i say almost 3 because #2 is not available in a versioned OVS | 20:12 |
| asadoughi | my idea was to implement 3 followed by 2 once it is available in a versioned OVS | 20:12 |
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| geekinutah | is there anything that we can't implement for security groups with #3? | 20:13 |
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| asadoughi | geekinutah: great question. so the security groups API implementation is 'stateful' and now i will go through the examples in the etherpad | 20:13 |
| asadoughi | so given a server and a client, an instance and remote ip, there are 4 possible flows | 20:14 |
| asadoughi | i have enumerated the 4 flows in the etherpad | 20:14 |
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| asadoughi | the 4 flows represent 2 connections | 20:14 |
| asadoughi | 1. nw_src=$instance_ip, tp_src=random, nw_dst=$remote_ip, tp_dst=22 | 20:15 |
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| asadoughi | 2. nw_src=$remote_ip, tp_src=random, nw_dst=$instance_ip, tp_dst=22 | 20:15 |
| asadoughi | 3. nw_src=$instance_ip, tp_src=22, nw_dst=$remote_ip, tp_src=random | 20:15 |
| asadoughi | 4. nw_src=$remote_ip, tp_src=22, nw_dst=$instance_ip, tp_dst=random | 20:15 |
| asadoughi | 1. and 4. represent two halves of the same connections. 2 and 3. represent two halfs of the same (but different from 1 and 4) connection as well. | 20:16 |
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| asadoughi | any comments or questions about the 4 flows / 2 connections? | 20:17 |
| JunPark_ | ok, they make sense. | 20:17 |
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| asadoughi | ok, so now with these 4 flows in your collective heads, let's move to the neutron security groups api | 20:18 |
| JunPark_ | basically, an ssh session to an instance and another ssh session to outside, right? | 20:18 |
| asadoughi | JunPark_: correct | 20:19 |
| asadoughi | in the etherpad i have the api shown as documented by client help output | 20:19 |
| asadoughi | you can see that the api lacks a source port match (tp_src) | 20:19 |
| asadoughi | geekinutah: answering your question now hopefully...: | 20:20 |
| geekinutah | yup, makes sense | 20:20 |
| asadoughi | so, with the existing security groups api it is not possible to implement stateless ACL (#3) without adding a source port match | 20:20 |
| asadoughi | so, i have proposed two reviews adding a source port match to the api and client | 20:21 |
| asadoughi | #link neutron change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62129/ | 20:21 |
| asadoughi | #link neutronclient change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62130/ | 20:21 |
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| asadoughi | ok, so are we on the same page for implementation choice #3 and what has to change in the api for it to happen? | 20:22 |
| JunPark_ | a quick question. | 20:22 |
| asadoughi | JunPark_: shoot | 20:22 |
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| JunPark_ | as an example of 1 & 4 that deals with outgoing ssh session... | 20:23 |
| JunPark_ | port 22 can be easily guessed in 4, I believe. | 20:24 |
| asadoughi | can you elaborated on "guessed"? are you referring to reflexive learning actions (implementation choice #1)? | 20:24 |
| JunPark_ | sorry for the confusion. I don't know about "reflexive learning actions." Maybe I may not clearly understand about the issue here. But let me try explain it again. | 20:25 |
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| asadoughi | so, reflexive learning actions would mean OVS could learn the source port from the egress flow | 20:26 |
| JunPark_ | when there is an outgoing ssh session that needs to be allowed, those two flows can be built via one single api that only says "allow outgoing port 22." | 20:26 |
| JunPark_ | the two flows mean 1 & 4 in this example. | 20:27 |
| JunPark_ | I'm trying to understand why we need to have "source port match" in api... | 20:27 |
| asadoughi | oh, i see. good point. so, the specific security group rule that makes the source port match necessary is: in default security groups, you allow all egress; you wouldn't want to automatically allow all ingress in that case. | 20:28 |
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| asadoughi | are you familiar with default security groups? default security groups are defined as: (1) allow all egress (2) allow all ingress from other instances in the default security group. | 20:29 |
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| JunPark_ | nope...I just got to know such details here. ^^ | 20:30 |
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| JunPark_ | anyway, I think I got you now. | 20:31 |
| asadoughi | ok. so with choice #3, you will need to add a third rule to say allow all ingress from source port 22. and with choice #2, you will be able to say allow all ingress with tcp_flags=ack (no third security group rule necessary) | 20:31 |
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| asadoughi | so, my preferred implementation path is choice #3 stateless ACL followed by #2 stateless ACL with tcp_flags. | 20:32 |
| JunPark_ | that sounds ok. | 20:32 |
| asadoughi | i prefer not to implement #1 reflexive learning actions because they are not as perfomant: as i talked to another engineer, "cuts into how many things a megaflow can wildcard, the less that can be wildcarded, the more ovs will have to hit userspace for flows" | 20:32 |
| hemanthravi | asadoughi: sorry joined late, are these choices in the etherpad? | 20:33 |
| asadoughi | hemanthravi: sorry. i do not have them there, but i'll add now. | 20:33 |
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| asadoughi | hemanthravi: added | 20:34 |
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| asadoughi | ok, it sounds like i need to summarize what we discussed here and take it to the ML given lower attendance than i was hoping for | 20:35 |
| asadoughi | #action asadoughi to take implementation choice / design discussion to openstack-dev mailing list | 20:35 |
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| asadoughi | does anyone have any input to the implementation choices other than what was discussed so far? | 20:36 |
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| geekinutah | so far so good I think | 20:37 |
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| geekinutah | I will need to learn more about #2, but I agree with you on #1 | 20:37 |
| JunPark_ | another quick question. | 20:38 |
| asadoughi | JunPark_: shoot | 20:38 |
| geekinutah | and it does seem like a raw stateless implementation is not out of place | 20:38 |
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| JunPark_ | so this firewall or security group related DB is already implemented in icehouse for persistent data? | 20:38 |
| JunPark_ | sorry for ignorance about the current state of icehouse regarding this topic. | 20:39 |
| asadoughi | JunPark_: security groups has been in neutron for a while, yes. with a database and rpc api | 20:39 |
| JunPark_ | cool. thanks! | 20:39 |
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| asadoughi | JunPark_: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/db/securitygroups_db.py https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/db/securitygroups_rpc_base.py | 20:40 |
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| asadoughi | ok, i am going to move on to the next topic | 20:40 |
| asadoughi | #topic ovs_neutron_agent nuances/issues/tasks | 20:41 |
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| asadoughi | 1. so, in neutron, the ovs_neutron_agent (the agent that applies flows) provisions VLANs for vifs after the firewall is invoked, which is troublesome since the security groups flows have to apply the vlan that the agent applied so i'll have a patch to rearrange the vlan allocation before the firewall is invoked later this week | 20:43 |
| asadoughi | any questions/ comments about #1? | 20:43 |
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| asadoughi | 2. ovs_neutron_agent removes all flows on all bridges at initialization, which might be a terrible thing depending on how reliable the agent is for tenant traffic -- i'm not sure exactly what i want to do about that | 20:45 |
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| asadoughi | any questions/comments about #2? ..any solutions? :) | 20:45 |
| geekinutah | asadoughi: it is disruptive | 20:45 |
| geekinutah | JunPark_ actually wrote a "soft" restart for the agent | 20:46 |
| JunPark_ | "at initialization" means "agent restart"? | 20:46 |
| asadoughi | JunPark_: correct | 20:46 |
| geekinutah | however, this is not a problem directly related to the firewall I think | 20:46 |
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| geekinutah | as long as flows come up with the default deny or accept depending on policy | 20:46 |
| asadoughi | geekinutah: also true, but a concern nonetheless | 20:47 |
| geekinutah | but yeah, it needs fixing :-) | 20:47 |
| asadoughi | 3. ovs_neutron_agent removes all flows on the vifs port at initialization | 20:47 |
| yamahata | How many flows do you expect? Is remove all flows and reinstall all flows unacceptable? | 20:47 |
| asadoughi | yamahata: removing and reinstalling is not acceptable if its killing all of the tenants traffic, pending on agent uptime reliability | 20:47 |
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| asadoughi | regarding #3, it deletes all flows based on in_port, you cannot delete flows based on cookie until OVS 1.5.0+ which might be troublesome for some users b/c XenStack 6.2 is on 1.4.6 and Ubunut P*/Q* is on 1.4.6 as well | 20:49 |
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| yamahata | I see. then what is wanted is to retrieve the existing flow and fix them up according to the configuration. | 20:49 |
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| JunPark_ | In our env where, e.g., a host runs 100 VMs, when we restart neutron agent, if agent wipes out all flows, it takes 5 to 10 minutes to complete all flows deployment, which is terrible to us. | 20:49 |
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| asadoughi | JunPark_: yes, that sounds terrible | 20:49 |
| JunPark_ | that's why I implemented our own "soft restart" | 20:50 |
| JunPark_ | i'm not sure the patch that I shared with you before includes that patch of "soft restart" though. | 20:50 |
| asadoughi | ok. so #2 sounds like maybe another blueprint to file | 20:51 |
| asadoughi | JunPark_: interested in filing that? | 20:51 |
| JunPark_ | sure. | 20:51 |
| kanthi | Amir, one question which may be bit out of context at this point of discussion, how do you plan the between VM traffic filtering | 20:51 |
| asadoughi | #action JunPark_ to file blueprint around soft restart | 20:51 |
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| kanthi | Current security rules use iptables, where all these rules are applied in forward chain and these will not be hit if both VMs are on same compute host in which case they just use L2Network for communication | 20:52 |
| asadoughi | kanthi: i don't have that in my prototype at the moment, but i have solutions to base my future work off of ( JunPark_ as well as my co-workers') | 20:53 |
| JunPark_ | kanthi: do you mean "vm-to-vm traffic"? | 20:53 |
| kanthi | yes | 20:53 |
| asadoughi | #topic impromptu vm-to-vm traffic | 20:53 |
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| kanthi | since we would be doing filtering based on ovs ports, these rules might be applied for vm-vm traffic on same host as well | 20:53 |
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| JunPark_ | my patch includes vm-to-vm traffic flows implementation. | 20:54 |
| JunPark_ | assuming that by default it's allowed because we assume that the flat provider networks is a public vlan. | 20:54 |
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| asadoughi | kanthi: so something TBD .. i'd like the underlying issues to be discussed and resolved first before we get to that level | 20:54 |
| JunPark_ | well, i'm not sure which behavior would be the legit default behavior though. | 20:55 |
| geekinutah | asadoughi: agreed, let's get the basics in place and then deal with that | 20:55 |
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| kanthi | ok, then please procces according to the agenda | 20:55 |
| asadoughi | #topic ovs_agent: versioning | 20:55 |
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| asadoughi | so does anyone have issue with requriing ovs 1.5.0+ in the agent? because of the cookie delete issue | 20:56 |
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| geekinutah | asadoughi: do you know what the latest LTS has built in? | 20:57 |
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| asadoughi | geekinutah: not handy. can look it up | 20:57 |
| sc68cal | 12.04 packages like 0.4.0 | 20:57 |
| sc68cal | the cloud archive has like 1.10 I think? | 20:57 |
| asadoughi | #link https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openvswitch | 20:57 |
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| asadoughi | so anything R and above, would be complicit | 20:57 |
| geekinutah | one consideration is asking distributions to maintain a kmod, not sure if that's a big deal | 20:58 |
| asadoughi | we're running short on time so i'll skip the prototype discussion | 20:58 |
| geekinutah | other than that requiring 1.5.0+ seems reasonable | 20:58 |
| asadoughi | #topic open ended | 20:58 |
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| asadoughi | anything before we end? | 20:59 |
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| asadoughi | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 16 21:00:03 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blueprint_ovs_firewall_driver/2013/blueprint_ovs_firewall_driver.2013-12-16-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blueprint_ovs_firewall_driver/2013/blueprint_ovs_firewall_driver.2013-12-16-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blueprint_ovs_firewall_driver/2013/blueprint_ovs_firewall_driver.2013-12-16-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| markmcclain | hi | 21:01 |
| salv-orlando | ALOHA | 21:01 |
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| salv-orlando | aloha | 21:01 |
| safchain | hi | 21:01 |
| armax | yello | 21:01 |
| Swaminathan | hi all | 21:01 |
| sthakkar | hi guys | 21:01 |
| mestery | o/ | 21:01 |
| beagles | hi | 21:01 |
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| rkukura | hi | 21:01 |
| dkehn | hi | 21:01 |
| anteaya | o/ | 21:01 |
| sc68cal | hello | 21:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Hi AllQ | 21:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | All! | 21:02 |
| hemanthravi | hi | 21:02 |
| enikanorov | hi | 21:02 |
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| markmcclain | arosen, emagana, garyk, marun, amotoki, nati_ueno: ping | 21:02 |
| nati_ueno | hi! | 21:02 |
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| arosen | Hi | 21:02 |
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| markmcclain | #startmeeting Networking | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 16 21:02:57 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:03 |
| marun | hi | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | #topic Announcements | 21:03 |
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| markmcclain | Last week was an interesting week for the OpenStack gate | 21:03 |
| marun | 'may you live in interesting times' | 21:04 |
| Makdaam | hello | 21:04 |
| markmcclain | We merged a small change that had exacerbated an existing race condition | 21:04 |
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| enikanorov | you mean moving rpc to the end of __init__? | 21:04 |
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| markmcclain | yes.. that revert | 21:04 |
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| markmcclain | that patch will be a good one to dive into because it could better reveal the root cause of the race we've been battlting | 21:05 |
| enikanorov | interesting | 21:05 |
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| markmcclain | the other takeaway from the experience | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | Is that we need to trust the gate when it fails | 21:06 |
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| markmcclain | and investigate the logs and cause before issuing rechecks or reverificiations | 21:06 |
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| markmcclain | if you have a patch that fails don't be surprised if a member of the core team asks for a reason why the proposed patch was unrelated to any failures that required a recheck or reverify | 21:07 |
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| markmcclain | also if your patch requires multiple rechecks just to get a +1 from testing infrastructure | 21:08 |
| markmcclain | expect to get questions during the review | 21:08 |
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| markmcclain | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/icehouse-2 | 21:09 |
| markmcclain | Icehouse-2 is rapidly approaching | 21:10 |
| markmcclain | along with that 3rd party testing | 21:10 |
| markmcclain | mestery led a meeting last week to share info | 21:10 |
| mestery | Yes: The hope is to get past likely hurdles together rather than individually. | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_third_party_testing/2013/networking_third_party_testing.2013-12-12-17.00.log.html | 21:11 |
| mestery | And share information on that. | 21:11 |
| mestery | We have another one this week. | 21:11 |
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| markmcclain | Dec 19th at 1700UTC? | 21:11 |
| mestery | 2200 UTC Thursday on #openstack-meeting-alt | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | #info 3rd Party Testing Dec 19th at 2200 UTC in -alt | 21:12 |
| markmcclain | Lastly the end of the year holidays are approaching, so many take time out off | 21:12 |
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| markmcclain | I'm thinking we'll meet December 23rd and then skip December 30th | 21:13 |
| marun | +1 | 21:13 |
| Sukhdev | +1 | 21:13 |
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| markmcclain | Any other objections? | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | s/other// | 21:14 |
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| mestery | +1 | 21:14 |
| mlavalle | +1 | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | #info No Neutron team meeting December 30th | 21:15 |
| markmcclain | Ok let's move onto bugs | 21:15 |
| markmcclain | #topic Bugs | 21:15 |
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| markmcclain | #link http://not.mn/gate_status.html | 21:15 |
| * notmyname can answer question about that graph | 21:16 | |
| anteaya | notmyname: awesome graph | 21:16 |
| markmcclain | notmyname: definitely helps to visualize what is happening | 21:17 |
| salv-orlando | it reminds me a keith haring's painting | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | haha | 21:18 |
| markmcclain | anteaya: want to highlight any of the bugs you have listed? | 21:18 |
| anteaya | sure | 21:18 |
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| anteaya | marun has a patch in review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61168/ | 21:19 |
| notmyname | this bold red line is the chance that a new patch, 100% correct itself, has of passing the 6 gate jobs tracked. and for a gate queue that is 30 deep, that means that it is that percentage (eg 62% right now) is raised to the depth: .62**38 == 1.290875032e-06% chance of all passes clearing the gate right now, even if they are all perfect | 21:19 |
| anteaya | for bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1192381 | 21:19 |
| salv-orlando | notmyname: how's the patch pass chance calculated? [can answer in open discussion time to avoid collisions] | 21:19 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1192381 in neutron "dhcp dnsmasq lost port in host config file" [Critical,In progress] | 21:19 |
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| salv-orlando | notmyname: thanks for your answer | 21:19 |
| anteaya | would be great if we could cross that off the list today, marun can you address comments and submit a new patchset? | 21:19 |
| marun | anteaya: can do | 21:19 |
| anteaya | nati_ueno: what is the obstacle on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1112912, this has been in existance for 1 year? | 21:20 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1112912 in neutron "get_firewall_required should use VIF parameter from neutron" [Critical,In progress] | 21:20 |
| anteaya | marun, thanks | 21:20 |
| notmyname | salv-orlando: patch pass chance is the multiplication of the pass chance for each of the 6 jobs (they are independent variables for that calc) | 21:20 |
| markmcclain | notmyname: ouch .62**38 hurts | 21:20 |
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| nati_ueno | anteaya: That's one is still active | 21:20 |
| anteaya | nati_ueno: yes, what more to do you need to bring it to closed? | 21:20 |
| notmyname | markmcclain: ya. exponents mean that even a 5% drop _dramatically_ reduces the chance that patches actually land | 21:20 |
| nati_ueno | anteaya: get reviewed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/21946/ | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | markmcclain: eg a 95% chance means that a 10-deep queue has less than 60% chance to clear | 21:21 |
| anteaya | nati_ueno: okay, let's work on getting Jenkins happy with the patch and then getting reviews on ti | 21:22 |
| nati_ueno | anteaya: sure | 21:22 |
| anteaya | markmcclain: this is the ssh bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1253896 | 21:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1253896 in neutron "Attempts to verify guests are running via SSH fails. SSH connection to guest does not work." [Critical,In progress] | 21:22 |
| anteaya | you are the champion on it right now, more to say on it? | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | not too much other than it went a bad to really bad and now back to bad again | 21:23 |
| anteaya | nati_ueno: also can you update the report for the bug with that patch url? I couldn't see it when I read the report, I may have missed it | 21:23 |
| markmcclain | there are others who have been digging on it too and most things are wired properly | 21:23 |
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| anteaya | markmcclain: are you willing to drive some discussions about it this week to see what can be done to make it even less bad that it is now? | 21:24 |
| nati_ueno | anteaya: Thanks. I'll add the url | 21:24 |
| anteaya | nati_ueno: thank you | 21:24 |
| amotoki | hi, sorry for late | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | anteaya: yes I won't be on any airplanes this week :) | 21:24 |
| anteaya | markmcclain: great, thanks | 21:24 |
| anteaya | want to give yourself an action item? | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | #action markmcclain to drive 1253896 work | 21:25 |
| anteaya | thanks | 21:25 |
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| anteaya | next confirmed bug | 21:25 |
| anteaya | this one needs a champion: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1210483 | 21:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1210483 in neutron "ServerAddressesTestXML.test_list_server_addresses FAIL" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:25 |
| salv-orlando | markmcclain: I will hand over to you all my knowledge on bug 1253896 so far then | 21:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1253896 in neutron "Attempts to verify guests are running via SSH fails. SSH connection to guest does not work." [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1253896 | 21:25 |
| anteaya | please volunteer before I track someone down | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: sounds good I figure many of us can collaborate on it | 21:26 |
| anteaya | markmcclain: you again with https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1230407 | 21:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1230407 in neutron "VMs can't progress through state changes because Neutron is deadlocking on it's database queries, and thus leaving networks in inconsistent states" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:26 |
| anteaya | any thoughts on it currently? | 21:26 |
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| anteaya | armax: is this bug still open? https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1243726 | 21:27 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1243726 in neutron "tempest failure: No more IP addresses available on network" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | It's been somewhat infrequent | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | http://logstash.openstack.org/#eyJzZWFyY2giOiJcIkFzc2VydGlvbkVycm9yOiBTdGF0ZSBjaGFuZ2UgdGltZW91dCBleGNlZWRlZCFcIiIsImZpZWxkcyI6W10sIm9mZnNldCI6MCwidGltZWZyYW1lIjoiNjA0ODAwIiwiZ3JhcGhtb2RlIjoiY291bnQiLCJ0aW1lIjp7InVzZXJfaW50ZXJ2YWwiOjB9LCJzdGFtcCI6MTM4MDE1NzA5OTYwMiwibW9kZSI6IiIsImFuYWx5emVfZmllbGQiOiIifQ== | 21:27 |
| anteaya | you have two patches merged against, is it still an issue? | 21:27 |
| salv-orlando | There have been only 9 occurrence of 1230407 in a lot of time. And all while the gate was brokeb | 21:27 |
| armax | it does not look like a burning issue | 21:27 |
| salv-orlando | broken. Note that 153896 can manifest also as 1230407 | 21:27 |
| salv-orlando | sorry I mean 1253896 | 21:28 |
| markmcclain | since it still occurs that's why I have not closed it | 21:28 |
| anteaya | well sdague has asked that once critical bugs remain in that status unless they are completely gone | 21:28 |
| salv-orlando | My understanding is that the bug has been isolated and markmcclain has the definitive for it, which is splitting API/RPC servers | 21:28 |
| armax | however there are related bugs open against this one | 21:28 |
| anteaya | salv-orlando: that was the last update I posted to that bug yes | 21:28 |
| mlavalle | anteaya: I can take a stab at 1210483. If I need help, I'll yell | 21:29 |
| anteaya | armax: are you able to update the bug report to reflect that? | 21:29 |
| anteaya | mlavalle: awesome thank you | 21:29 |
| marun | salv-orlando: doesn't having wsgi out of process get us halfway there? | 21:29 |
| armax | of course I am, you're asking me if I will? | 21:29 |
| armax | :) | 21:29 |
| anteaya | armax: okay, will you? | 21:29 |
| markmcclain | marun: yes | 21:29 |
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| armax | :) | 21:29 |
| armax | yup | 21:29 |
| anteaya | thank you | 21:29 |
| anteaya | this is mine https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1250168 | 21:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1250168 in neutron "gate-tempest-devstack-vm-neutron-large-ops is failing" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:30 |
| anteaya | but I need someone to take over, I simply offered a revert for it | 21:30 |
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| anteaya | can someone else take this and make it disappear? | 21:30 |
| salv-orlando | arosen? | 21:30 |
| anteaya | as in no longer occuring | 21:30 |
| arosen | sure i can take a look at it. | 21:31 |
| salv-orlando | arosen is our nova/neutron guy. This bug pertains to nova/neutron interface | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | arosen: thanks | 21:31 |
| anteaya | arosen: thanks | 21:31 |
| anteaya | great | 21:31 |
| anteaya | sorry for taking so long | 21:31 |
| anteaya | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1251784 needs a volunteer | 21:31 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1251784 in tripleo "nova+neutron scheduling error: Connection to neutron failed: Maximum attempts reached" [Critical,Fix released] | 21:31 |
| anteaya | and to be triaged | 21:31 |
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| markmcclain | this is in the neutron/nova interface | 21:32 |
| anteaya | anyone in addition to arosen available to help? | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | not showing any occurrences of this in the last 7 days | 21:32 |
| anteaya | it is still critical is it not? | 21:33 |
| arosen | markmcclain: it looks like that one is a timeout in neutron | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | the notes in the bug say no hits since Nov 28th | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | I think it might be safe to close this one | 21:33 |
| anteaya | okay | 21:33 |
| anteaya | last two that need volunteers: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1210483 | 21:34 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1210483 in neutron "ServerAddressesTestXML.test_list_server_addresses FAIL" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:34 |
| anteaya | and https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1254890 | 21:34 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1254890 in tempest ""Timed out waiting for thing" causes tempest-dsvm-neutron-* failures" [Low,In progress] | 21:34 |
| enikanorov | i've taken 1210483 | 21:34 |
| anteaya | enikanorov: thank you | 21:34 |
| anteaya | let me know how your progress goes | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | ok I also thought mlavalle said he was working on it too | 21:34 |
| anteaya | markmcclain: you are correct, sorry | 21:35 |
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| mlavalle | Yes | 21:35 |
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| anteaya | enikanorov: how do you feel about looking at 1254890? | 21:35 |
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| enikanorov | ok, I'll take a look | 21:36 |
| anteaya | thank you | 21:36 |
| anteaya | done | 21:36 |
| markmcclain | anteaya: thanks for reviewing the bugs | 21:36 |
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| markmcclain | All any other bugs the team should be tracking? | 21:37 |
| salv-orlando | for 1254890 the log stash query refers to large_ops only. I've seen the same error in other places too. | 21:37 |
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| markmcclain | salv-orlando: good to know | 21:37 |
| salv-orlando | If you remove indeed large_ops from the query you'll find more occurences. | 21:37 |
| markmcclain | #topic Nova Parity | 21:38 |
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| markmcclain | beagles: hi | 21:38 |
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| beagles | hi | 21:38 |
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| beagles | so, we didn't have much movement on parity specific stuff last week unfortunately | 21:39 |
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| markmcclain | ok.. what resources do you need to help move things along? | 21:39 |
| beagles | I think it would be useful to align the efforts for starters.. obviously there are lots of people doing stuff that is related | 21:40 |
| beagles | the gate... the additional tests, etc | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | ok | 21:41 |
| beagles | if we can carve out some time this week to sync that would be good | 21:41 |
| anteaya | beagles: who do you need to sync with? | 21:41 |
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| markmcclain | I'm guessing at least me + mlavalle? | 21:41 |
| salv-orlando | I can help from the testing side | 21:41 |
| anteaya | actually I see mlavalle's great etherpad and wiki pages but haven't seen many tests yet | 21:41 |
| salv-orlando | but mlavalle holds everything | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | oops and salv-orlando | 21:41 |
| beagles | mlavalle, rossella_s, markmcclain, if arosen could join that would be great | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | #action markmcclain to sechedule a time for syncing this week | 21:42 |
| salv-orlando | I have just bits of knowledge about status of testing and a few parity features I've been involved with | 21:42 |
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| mlavalle | beagles: just propose a time and I'll make myself available | 21:42 |
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| arosen | ditto | 21:42 |
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| beagles | that'd be great.. can we do it tomorrow a.m. EST? | 21:43 |
| markmcclain | we'll chat in the -neutron channel so it's logged and everyone can participate since it will be an on going discussion once we kick it off | 21:43 |
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| beagles | something like 10:00 am EST.. (what is that UTC?) | 21:43 |
| mestery | 1500 UTC | 21:43 |
| mlavalle | mlavalle: yes, that is 17:00 UTC | 21:43 |
| mlavalle | sorry, 15:00 UTC | 21:43 |
| salv-orlando | folks UTC = EST +5 | 21:44 |
| arosen | beagles: that's a little early for me. I'm on the west coast. Could we push for 11:00 EST instead? | 21:44 |
| beagles | arosen: sure | 21:44 |
| mlavalle | so 16:00 UTC | 21:44 |
| arosen | thanks :) | 21:44 |
| rossella_s | ok for me | 21:44 |
| markmcclain | #info parity+testing 1600UTC in openstack-neutron | 21:44 |
| mlavalle | fine with me | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | #topic Tempest | 21:45 |
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| markmcclain | mlavalle: anyything add that's not on the agenda? | 21:45 |
| mlavalle | yeah | 21:45 |
| mlavalle | first of all, continued gap analysis for API tests. Added List available extensions, provider extended attributes for networks, binding extended attributes for ports, external network extension, configurable external gateway modes extension, quotas, security groups and rules, agent management extension, extraroute extension to the etherpad | 21:46 |
| mlavalle | several people have already assigned themselves work from there | 21:46 |
| salv-orlando | in % how many of these tasks have assignees? | 21:46 |
| enikanorov | mlavalle: whos doing the work on tempest side? | 21:46 |
| markmcclain | cool… thanks for adding them | 21:46 |
| mlavalle | and enikanorov has volunteered to refactor the rest client for neutron | 21:47 |
| enikanorov | yeah, asking because i want to make it less of copy-paste work | 21:47 |
| mlavalle | i'll finish the gap analysis this week, covering the whole api and all the extensions | 21:47 |
| mlavalle | for the sake of time i'll stop here | 21:47 |
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| mlavalle | enikanorov: i'm also the tempest side | 21:48 |
| salv-orlando | tempest parallel tests: just a quick update that I'm starting to push all the relevant patches upstream | 21:48 |
| anteaya | enikanorov: I've seen your patch, nice work so far | 21:48 |
| enikanorov | thx | 21:48 |
| salv-orlando | in my internal server I have a 80% success rate on parallel job | 21:48 |
| salv-orlando | which is not worse than other gate jobs apparently | 21:48 |
| anteaya | salv-orlando: great progress on your parallel blueprint | 21:49 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: cool | 21:49 |
| markmcclain | hopefully we'll be able to close that last 20% | 21:49 |
| salv-orlando | only issue I am tracking and can't explain so far is that at some point some VM do not sent DHCPDISCOVER even if they're perfectly wired | 21:49 |
| salv-orlando | this happens also on the upstream gate (just happened on one of my patches), and therefore I will file a bug soon | 21:49 |
| salv-orlando | Or perhaps is a bug that haunts just me? | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | interesting | 21:50 |
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| markmcclain | ok we're running short on time again | 21:50 |
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| mlavalle | salv-orlando: when you file the bug, please let me know and I will try to reproduce in my dev system | 21:51 |
| salv-orlando | malavalle: sure | 21:51 |
| mlavalle | so we can compare notes | 21:51 |
| markmcclain | #topic IPv6 | 21:51 |
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| markmcclain | There's a mailing list thread on hairpinning per vif | 21:52 |
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| markmcclain | please chime in on that thread if you have thoughts on it | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | #topic ML2 | 21:52 |
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| rkukura | nothing critical to discuss today | 21:52 |
| mestery | The only item I have is that we will be canceling the meetings on 12-25 and 1-1. | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | Seems that there is discussion still to be had on providernet vs multi-provider? | 21:53 |
| mestery | Will send email with a note to openstack-dev. | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | mestery: thanks for the heads u | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | up | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | #topic Open Discussion | 21:53 |
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| geekinutah | salv-orlando, enikanorov http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-December/021984.html https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1214115 | 21:54 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1214115 in neutron "ipavailabilityranges race condition when allocating from same range on multiple neutron-servers" [High,In progress] | 21:54 |
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| geekinutah | what are next steps on this bug? I'm happy to do leg work | 21:54 |
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| geekinutah | not sure if the original patch submitter is still active, but also happy to pick that up and massage it if needed | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | geekinutah: contact the current bug assignee | 21:55 |
| enikanorov | it's interesting if carl baldwin's patch could address this issue | 21:55 |
| salv-orlando | geekinutah: I thought I have already removed my -2 there. | 21:55 |
| geekinutah | hmmm, still shows -2 | 21:55 |
| enikanorov | geekinutah: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58017/ | 21:55 |
| geekinutah | ahh, okay thx | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | the patchset is abandoned | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | so the state cannot change until the review is active again | 21:56 |
| salv-orlando | I am happy to reconsider. You might understand that if we suspect a risk of introducing an issue worse that the bugs being fixed we act a big conservative in the 3rd milestone | 21:56 |
| carl_baldwin | enikanorov: My impression was that my patch probably would not address that bug. | 21:56 |
| salv-orlando | markmcclain: correct | 21:56 |
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| markmcclain | geekinutah: reach out and see if the original person is still interested in the work if not offer to take it on | 21:57 |
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| geekinutah | I will do that, also I'll look at carl_baldwin's patch | 21:57 |
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| markmcclain | if you have any questions feel free to ask in the IRC channel or mailing list | 21:57 |
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| markmcclain | Any other open discussion items? | 21:57 |
| anteaya | Please consider me offline from Jan 1. until code sprint in Montreal | 21:57 |
| enikanorov | yeah, it seems that retries are needed | 21:57 |
| enikanorov | I also remember we did something similar for generating tunnel ids | 21:58 |
| anteaya | any detail questions about the code sprint, ensure you have the answers you need prior to Holiday Break | 21:58 |
| markmcclain | anteaya: thanks for the heads up | 21:58 |
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| dkehn | anybody experience issue with devstack on a local system, beyond migration issues , like the sudo /usr/local/bin/neutron-rootwrap | 21:59 |
| dkehn | 12-16 14:55[ dkehn]: /etc/neutron/rootwrap.conf ip netns exec qprobe-83b5c2ea-ca44-4b1\ | 21:59 |
| dkehn | 12-16 14:55[ dkehn]: 12-16 14:55[ dkehn]: c-a7d6-46235386b287 ping -w 1 -c 1 10.1.0.4; failures | 21:59 |
| dkehn | pinging namespaces | 21:59 |
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| sc68cal | dkehn: +1 | 22:00 |
| markmcclain | I have not | 22:00 |
| marun | dkehn: is that the debug agent? | 22:01 |
| markmcclain | We're at time for this week | 22:01 |
| markmcclain | Ok remember tomorrow at 1600UTC in #openstack-neutron we'll kick off the discussion on Nova Parity and Testing overlapping | 22:01 |
| markmcclain | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 16 22:01:12 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-12-16-21.02.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-12-16-21.02.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-12-16-21.02.log.html | 22:01 |
| salv-orlando | adieeeuuuuu | 22:01 |
| arosen | ByE | 22:01 |
| Makdaam | bye | 22:01 |
| armax | bye | 22:01 |
| Swaminathan | bye | 22:01 |
| mlavalle | cheers | 22:01 |
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| marun | ciao | 22:01 |
| dkehn | and just like its over | 22:01 |
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| nati_ueno | bye! | 22:01 |
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| markmcclain | marun and dkehn might want to move the discussion to #openstack-neutron | 22:01 |
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| enikanorov | bye | 22:01 |
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| amotoki | bye | 22:02 |
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| marun | dkehn: #openstack-neutron? | 22:04 |
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| dkehn | marun: yepper | 22:04 |
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| Swaminathan | hi | 22:07 |
| Swaminathan | #startmeeting Distributed-virtual-router | 22:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 16 22:07:19 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swaminathan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:07 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 22:07 |
| Swaminathan | #info General | 22:07 |
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| Swaminathan | The current meeting slot timing 22.00 UTC that we have is not comfortable with our sub-team members who are residing in the different time zones. | 22:08 |
| Swaminathan | So I will be cancelling meetings in this channel for time slot temporarily. | 22:09 |
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| Swaminathan | I will let people know when I will be resuming in this channel for this time slot. | 22:09 |
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| Swaminathan | Meanwhile the meeting will continue on Wednesdays 15.00UTC in the #openstack-meeting-alt channel. | 22:10 |
| Swaminathan | #topic DVR-North-South Design | 22:10 |
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| Swaminathan | I have updated the Google doc with more information on the data model, L3 extension details, API and CLI. | 22:11 |
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| Swaminathan | Please review it and provide me your feedback. | 22:11 |
| Swaminathan | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iXMAyVMf42FTahExmGdYNGOBFyeA4e74sAO3pvr_RjA/edit | 22:11 |
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| Swaminathan | #topic Services | 22:11 |
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| Swaminathan | I had a discussion with Sumit and Nachi regarding the services. But we could not come to any conclusion on how we can address all services in distributed and centralized mode. | 22:12 |
| Swaminathan | So in order to address this issue I have also updated the Google doc with a picture that shows the mixed mode with centralized and distributed routers with services centralized and distributed. | 22:13 |
| Swaminathan | Right now it is tied together with an external VM running on Network Node, but somehow we need to eliminate it and move it to the namespace router. | 22:13 |
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| Swaminathan | So I will see all our sub-team members on Wednesday 15.00UTC in the #openstack-meeting-alt channel. | 22:17 |
| Swaminathan | bye | 22:17 |
| Swaminathan | #endmeeting | 22:17 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 16 22:17:51 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2013/distributed_virtual_router.2013-12-16-22.07.html | 22:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2013/distributed_virtual_router.2013-12-16-22.07.txt | 22:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2013/distributed_virtual_router.2013-12-16-22.07.log.html | 22:17 |
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