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| s3wong | Is there a weekly LBaaS meeting now? | 14:12 |
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| amotoki | s3wong: i think LBaaS meeting is not held these days. I think it is better to remove it from the meeting list. | 14:14 |
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| s3wong | amotoki: OK. Thanks! | 14:15 |
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| amotoki | s3wong: lbaas topic is usually discussed in neutron meeting | 14:15 |
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| s3wong | amotoki: Great. Thanks! | 14:17 |
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| jd__ | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 3 15:00:51 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| dragondm | o/ | 15:01 |
| lsmola | o/ | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:01 |
| eglynn | o/ | 15:01 |
| gordc | o/ | 15:01 |
| jd__ | hi guys | 15:01 |
| DanD | o/ | 15:01 |
| thomasm | o/ | 15:01 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:01 |
| sandywalsh | o/ | 15:01 |
| apmelton | o/ | 15:01 |
| jd__ | #topic Havana release | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Havana release (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:02 | |
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| jd__ | a few words about Havana, so RC1 has been released yesterday | 15:02 |
| * dragondm applauds | 15:02 | |
| thomasm | Wahoo! | 15:02 |
| eglynn | \o/ | 15:02 |
| terriyu | o/ | 15:02 |
| dhellmann | nice work, everyone! | 15:02 |
| sandywalsh | congrats y'all | 15:02 |
| lsmola | yaaay | 15:03 |
| jd__ | the milestone-proposed branch has been cut to at some point include fixes if needed, if we need to respin a rc2 release | 15:03 |
| jd__ | it's time to test heavily! | 15:03 |
| jd__ | congratulations to you all too! :) | 15:03 |
| eglynn | jd__: re. needing an rc2 release ... | 15:03 |
| eglynn | on https://review.openstack.org/47542 we discussed considering the leaking of admin-ness to non-admin users as a separate bug | 15:04 |
| jd__ | you can merge patches in master once again and that'll be in Icehouse | 15:04 |
| eglynn | sounds like an RC2 candidate? | 15:04 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: maybe | 15:04 |
| eglynn | jd__: k, I'll file a bug and work on a fix | 15:05 |
| jd__ | I think I'd like to see the fix before deciding | 15:05 |
| eglynn | jd__: (we can decide later if target'd at Icehouse or RC2) | 15:05 |
| jd__ | (I know that sounds weird) | 15:05 |
| eglynn | jd__: no, that's fair enough | 15:05 |
| jd__ | cool :) | 15:06 |
| jd__ | and for people not following at home, I think I'll still be the benevolent democractic dictator for the Icehouse release | 15:06 |
| * dragondm hands jd__ a handfull of medals and a funny hat. | 15:07 | |
| lsmola | hehe | 15:07 |
| eglynn | with 100% of the vote, Stalin would have been proud of that ;) | 15:07 |
| thomasm | Why'd you take my hat? | 15:07 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: 100 % of 0 vote :-) | 15:07 |
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| thomasm | Lol | 15:08 |
| eglynn | :) | 15:08 |
| gordc | jd__: you just broke maths. | 15:08 |
| jd__ | :-) | 15:08 |
| jd__ | #topic Release python-ceilometerclient? | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release python-ceilometerclient? (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:08 | |
| eglynn | I'd like to include https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49551 if poss | 15:08 |
| jd__ | works for me | 15:09 |
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| eglynn | cool | 15:09 |
| jd__ | anybody ping me or eglynn to release | 15:09 |
| jd__ | eglynn: so ping me or yourself to this to happen | 15:09 |
| lsmola | eglynn, cool | 15:09 |
| eglynn | cool | 15:09 |
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| jd__ | #topic Talking about Hardware Agent | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Talking about Hardware Agent (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:10 | |
| jd__ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/monitoring-physical-devices | 15:10 |
| jd__ | lsmola: floor is yours | 15:10 |
| lsmola | I have prepared several questions | 15:10 |
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| jd__ | 42! | 15:10 |
| lsmola | i will just throw them in so we can start discuss that | 15:11 |
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| lsmola | 1. Should it act as a central Agent? Or should it be deployed on every hardware. It seems that the original author planned both: | 15:11 |
| lsmola | http://www.cloudcomp.ch/2013/07/hardware-extension-for-ceilometer/ | 15:11 |
| lsmola | So the settings determining what is visible for the agent would reside in the agent somehow? | 15:11 |
| lsmola | 2. Regarding security, is it better to have an Agent on each baremetal? Or rather have there only some daemon like snmpd and allowing communication from and to central agent. | 15:11 |
| lsmola | 3. There is very little documentation about how to set this up. I couldn't find, from where the agent takes the list of resources it should poll. E.g. list of routers or list of baremetals it can see. Does anybody know? | 15:11 |
| lsmola | 4. About the IMPI inspector. It is probable that he IPMI credentials will reside in Ironic (at least for Undercloud), so the inspector should be able to talk both to Ironic API, or to IPMI directly, right? So it works also when Ceilometer knows the IPMI credentials. | 15:11 |
| thomasm | ow my eyes | 15:11 |
| lsmola | hehe | 15:11 |
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| jd__ | and you got only 49 minutes left to answer this | 15:11 |
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| lsmola | there was a warning :-) you have to catch | 15:12 |
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| dhellmann | what are the security implications of running an agent on the server with an image owned by the tenant? | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | and how would we get the agent into the image in the first place? | 15:12 |
| lsmola | dhellmann, our primary use case is to use it in udercloud via tripleo | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | ah, ok, that makes more sense :-) | 15:13 |
| lsmola | dhellmann, so it would be image element of tripleo | 15:13 |
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| dhellmann | sure | 15:13 |
| eglynn | lsmola: "should it act as a central agent" == "should it not run on-host" ? | 15:13 |
| * eglynn confused on the "central agent" reference in #1 | 15:13 | |
| lsmola | eglynn, if i get it correctly, central agent is running on Control node, right? | 15:14 |
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| lsmola | eglynn, so there is only one agent, polling everything | 15:14 |
| eglynn | lsmola: well in theory it could be running anywhere, but yes you could call it a control node, and yes it polls everything | 15:14 |
| sandywalsh | there would have to be something on the host answering the poll though. | 15:14 |
| lsmola | jd__, btw. how is it with scaling of central agent? i thing that was the biggest concern of tripleo guys | 15:14 |
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| eglynn | lsmola: so you mean, load the hardware monitoring piece as an extension into the existing central agent? | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | would a central agent use IPMI and SNMP? | 15:15 |
| lsmola | sandywalsh, for nsmp, it will be snmpd | 15:15 |
| jaypipes | hi guys, sorry I'm late... wanted to let you know I should have the Alembic removal patch updated and done today. | 15:15 |
| sandywalsh | lsmola: gotcha | 15:15 |
| lsmola | sandywalsh, there is also image element for this in tripleo | 15:15 |
| jd__ | lsmola: I should be working on it soon | 15:15 |
| lsmola | sandywalsh, though you have to allow communication in firewall | 15:16 |
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| lsmola | ok so, anybody has an idea how the architecture should work? | 15:17 |
| sandywalsh | yes, there is also the rackspace agent, which is open sourced. Perhaps could be manipulated for guest-side reporting. It's available for windows and linux. | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | I'm not sure how we could handle baremetal securely using either mode for any use case other than tripleo. Are we trying for tenant images at all? | 15:17 |
| sandywalsh | I think it's very xen-specific currently though | 15:17 |
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| dragondm | sandywalsh: yah, the rs agent uses xen store for communication. | 15:17 |
| sandywalsh | yeah :/ | 15:18 |
| lsmola | hm | 15:19 |
| jd__ | if the user rans on baremetal, either the monitoring can be done by IPMI or the like, otherwise the user could have an agent posting via the API untrusted metrics that wouldn't not used for billing but could be used for stuff like autoscaling | 15:19 |
| sandywalsh | #link https://github.com/rackerlabs/openstack-guest-agents-unix | 15:19 |
| sandywalsh | #link https://github.com/rackerlabs/openstack-guest-agents-windows-xenserver | 15:19 |
| eglynn | is IPMI alone sufficient though? | 15:20 |
| eglynn | (from what we discussed previously, seemed that was limited to temperature, fan speed, voltage etc.) | 15:21 |
| lsmola | eglynn, i am not sure, from metrics i saw, it didn't have everything | 15:21 |
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| lsmola | eglynn, there is a full list in the IPMI blueprint | 15:21 |
| lsmola | jd__, the other thing is, that we might want to read syslog or other things from baremetal | 15:22 |
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| eglynn | lsmola: you mean the monitoring-physical-devices BP? | 15:22 |
| jd__ | eglynn: it may not indeed | 15:22 |
| lsmola | jd__, so it would be much easier with agent on the baremetal | 15:22 |
| jd__ | lsmola: well everything that comes from baremetal cannot be trusted | 15:22 |
| jd__ | you can run an agent on baremetal and uses the API to post samples | 15:23 |
| sandywalsh | but not everyone wants an agent on their machines | 15:23 |
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| sandywalsh | tradeoff | 15:23 |
| lsmola | eglynn, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/ipmi-inspector-for-monitoring-physical-devices | 15:23 |
| jd__ | it should just be tagged as something coming from the user, not the operator | 15:23 |
| sandywalsh | yep | 15:23 |
| jd__ | sandywalsh: clearly, it'll be optional | 15:23 |
| eglynn | lsmola: thanks | 15:23 |
| lsmola | eglynn, it should be IMPI inspector for hardware agent | 15:23 |
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| lsmola | sandywalsh, so it seems to me, it should be matter of configuration | 15:24 |
| sandywalsh | yep, if you want the buttery goodness, you have to install it | 15:24 |
| lsmola | sandywalsh, for tripleo, there could be several images prepared, so.. | 15:25 |
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| sandywalsh | lsmola: right, our rackspace images have the agent preinstalled. | 15:25 |
| lsmola | sandywalsh, yep | 15:25 |
| lsmola | sandywalsh, and it could be preconfigured too, (or some configuraton scripts prepared) | 15:26 |
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| sandywalsh | some mount a "configuration drive" | 15:26 |
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| eglynn | so it seems like two alternative modes are possible (on- and off-host) ... are we saying that *both* approaches have their place? | 15:27 |
| lsmola | by the way, regarding the 1, I have no idea how it works now, i haven't found anywhere the list of hosts that is polls, anybody have an idea? | 15:27 |
| eglynn | (i.e. depends on the cloud deployer's policies) | 15:27 |
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| lsmola | eglynn, yes | 15:27 |
| sandywalsh | yep, from the cm perspective I don't think things should really change. It's just a source of events. | 15:27 |
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| sandywalsh | be it from these agents/pollsters or something like Diamond or a periodic_task | 15:28 |
| sandywalsh | whether it's a part of core CM is perhaps a bigger question | 15:28 |
| jd__ | eglynn: I think so indeed | 15:28 |
| eglynn | and in the off-host/central-agent case, is the potential for data acquisition more constrained? | 15:28 |
| sandywalsh | should we just focus on providing a solid api for these things | 15:29 |
| eglynn | (so the two approaches aren't fully inter-change-able) | 15:29 |
| sandywalsh | (api = http/udp/rpc-cast/whatever) | 15:29 |
| jd__ | eglynn: no they wouldn't be | 15:29 |
| jd__ | sandywalsh: we do have an HTTP API for posting sample taht should be enough | 15:30 |
| jd__ | I don't think the problem is in Ceilometer, it's rather on how to build things around what it offers right now :) | 15:30 |
| sandywalsh | jd__: yep, depends on the volume/frequency, but a good start for sure | 15:30 |
| lsmola | jd__, yes exactly | 15:30 |
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| jd__ | sandywalsh: yeah, I also think there's a good chance your baremetal might not have access to RabbitMQ for example for security reasons | 15:31 |
| jd__ | sandywalsh: like different networks | 15:31 |
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| sandywalsh | sure, there's going to be a pile of deployment considerations ... too many to deal with. We should just focus on the api. and perhaps some example pollsters/agents | 15:31 |
| lsmola | jd__, well for snmp, you need to allow udp communication with snmpd | 15:31 |
| sandywalsh | (imho :) | 15:31 |
| lsmola | jd__, if it's remote | 15:31 |
| jd__ | lsmola: yeah but that's just for polling, not a problem :) | 15:32 |
| lsmola | jd__, ok | 15:32 |
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| jd__ | does that answer enough of your questions lsmola ? | 15:32 |
| lsmola | jd__, well | 15:32 |
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| lsmola | jd__, I have almost the same amount of confusion :-D | 15:33 |
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| jd__ | you're welcome. | 15:33 |
| thomasm | hah | 15:33 |
| lsmola | jd__, ok, so the main thing is, can we leave the hardware agent as it is? | 15:33 |
| lsmola | jd__, as a separate from central | 15:33 |
| lsmola | jd__, as it can be used as central of per host agent | 15:33 |
| jd__ | lsmola: good question, I think we are going to work on the central agent and improve it | 15:34 |
| jd__ | having to do that twice for no reason does not sound like a good option to me | 15:34 |
| lsmola | jd__, this is a sttarting point for me, to get the hardware agent in | 15:34 |
| jd__ | considering the code for the hardware agent is quite the same AFAIK | 15:34 |
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| jd__ | question is: is there anything you can't do with the central agent right now? | 15:34 |
| lsmola | jd__, well i guess you can put central agent to each host too, if you want right? | 15:35 |
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| lsmola | jd__, is there some horizontal scaling of the central agent? | 15:35 |
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| jd__ | lsmola: not yet, but this is going to be implemented | 15:35 |
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| lsmola | jd__, tripleo is afraid of large deployments | 15:35 |
| lsmola | jd__, ok, fair enough | 15:35 |
| sandywalsh | (we all are :) | 15:36 |
| lsmola | hehe | 15:36 |
| jd__ | lsmola: if there is a hardwar agent I think it should be the agent polling things from inside the host and posting stuff to the REST API for example | 15:36 |
| jd__ | so it's not polling really hardware, but instances-on-hardware | 15:36 |
| lsmola | jd__, yes, or directly to message buss | 15:36 |
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| jd__ | lsmola: if you an access it, for sure | 15:37 |
| lsmola | jd__, yes | 15:37 |
| jd__ | so that means basically that you can reuse the central agent | 15:37 |
| jd__ | only enable the pollsters that polls locally thinsg like CPU time etc | 15:37 |
| lsmola | jd__, ok cool | 15:37 |
| jd__ | and write a new publisher to publisher over HTTP | 15:37 |
| jd__ | -er | 15:37 |
| lsmola | jd__, then there is no reason to have separate hardware agent I guess | 15:38 |
| jd__ | something like that (maybe I miss some detail, I'm thinking out loud) | 15:38 |
| lsmola | jd__, at least i don't see any | 15:38 |
| jd__ | lsmola: maybe there is and we don't see it yet, but for now I don't think so | 15:38 |
| jd__ | let's keep things simple if we can! | 15:38 |
| eglynn | if there's an agent posting samples to the REST API from on-host, then we have propogate keystone credentials onto every host also, right? | 15:38 |
| lsmola | jd__, agree | 15:38 |
| jd__ | eglynn: right | 15:38 |
| jd__ | eglynn: maybe we could use a new role or something to have a better split on permissions about posting sample from trusted sources | 15:39 |
| lsmola | jd__, i guess it will be safer to run only daemons on hosts, that can be polled | 15:39 |
| jd__ | that's another (part of the) issue | 15:39 |
| jd__ | lsmola: I can't see how safer it would be :) | 15:39 |
| sandywalsh | yeah, we should support anonymous posts | 15:39 |
| sandywalsh | for monitoring ... not billing | 15:39 |
| eglynn | jd__: hmmm, yeah a very limited RBAC policy, plus possibly rate limiting to avoid DDoSing | 15:40 |
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| sandywalsh | yep | 15:40 |
| sandywalsh | everything should be rate limited | 15:40 |
| sandywalsh | or just use udp | 15:40 |
| jd__ | eglynn: I'm pretty sure we can re-use or add a middleware on Oslo for that | 15:40 |
| jd__ | eglynn: the DoSing thing | 15:40 |
| eglynn | cool enough | 15:40 |
| jd__ | but good idea | 15:40 |
| jd__ | (yet another part of te problem :-) | 15:40 |
| jd__ | lsmola: if you got further point don't hesitate to send a mail to the list I guess | 15:41 |
| lsmola | jd__, ok, so my main testing scheme is run the central agent and SNMPd on each host | 15:41 |
| lsmola | jd__, i think I can go with this | 15:42 |
| jd__ | cool | 15:42 |
| lsmola | jd__, i will try to talk with llu about merging of the hardware agent into central agent | 15:42 |
| jd__ | lsmola: sounds like a good idea | 15:42 |
| lsmola | jd__, he seems to be on vacation | 15:42 |
| jd__ | it's too bad llu is not here | 15:42 |
| jd__ | ok :) | 15:42 |
| lsmola | jd__, so when i catch him | 15:43 |
| lsmola | jd__, could you also post the decision to the blueprint? | 15:43 |
| jd__ | hm I can try but if I forgot feel free to do it intead | 15:43 |
| lsmola | jd__, ok fair enough :-) | 15:44 |
| jd__ | #topic Open discussion | 15:44 |
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| lsmola | jd__, i think that's all regarding hardware agent, I have my starting point | 15:44 |
| lsmola | :-) | 15:44 |
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| vvechkanov | Hello all. I want to ask about notification via emails. Is it planned to add it? | 15:45 |
| jd__ | if anyone has anything else go ahead | 15:45 |
| jd__ | vvechkanov: for alarms? | 15:45 |
| vvechkanov | Yes | 15:45 |
| jd__ | vvechkanov: it's planned somehow, but nobody took the task over AFAIK | 15:45 |
| eglynn | IIRC we were thinking Marconi would provide SNS-like functionality | 15:46 |
| eglynn | (for email/SMS/etc notifications) | 15:46 |
| eglynn | not sure if that's still on the Marconi roadmap tho' | 15:46 |
| jd__ | you can write a Marconi target too eventually | 15:46 |
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| jd__ | *possibly | 15:46 |
| eglynn | perhaps we could do with a ceilo/marconi session at summit? | 15:46 |
| vvechkanov | As I know Marconi don't plan to provide notfication... | 15:47 |
| eglynn | k | 15:47 |
| vvechkanov | I am wrong? | 15:47 |
| eglynn | dunno, I'd need to check with the Marconi folks | 15:47 |
| eglynn | (I've had that on my mind also, so I'll chase it up) | 15:47 |
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| gordc | i had a question about notification.info queue... is that strictly for ceilometer? apparently some ppl have been listening to that queue (for whatever reason) and when we enable ceilometer, they start racing and grabbing random msgs. wondering what's the correct way to impl this? | 15:48 |
| jd__ | eglynn: yeah good idea | 15:48 |
| jd__ | gordc: no, we consume from it by default but you can configure another queue to be used | 15:48 |
| jd__ | gordc: just add more topic in nova.conf for example, change the topic in ceilometer.conf | 15:48 |
| sandywalsh | gordc: we have our services configured to publish to two exchanges, one for stacktach/ceilometer and another for our billing dept. | 15:49 |
| jd__ | notifications_topics=notification,ceilometer in nova.conf and notificatiosn_topics=ceilometer in ceilometer.conf | 15:49 |
| jd__ | something like that | 15:49 |
| gordc | jd__, sandywalsh: cool cool. that's what i thought. wanted to confirm thats how everyone else is doing it before i make stuff up. :) | 15:50 |
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| jd__ | sandywalsh: by the way I think that your notification patch introduces a new issue | 15:50 |
| jd__ | (kinda) | 15:50 |
| sandywalsh | conflicting rabbit configs? | 15:51 |
| jd__ | because in such a context, now Ceilometer publishes and consumes only on "notification_topics" | 15:51 |
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| jd__ | so with something I've described, it's problematic | 15:51 |
| jd__ | we should have notification_topics and notification_topics_to_consume | 15:51 |
| sandywalsh | right, because we can't inject into the rpc_notifier ... so we'll need the _to_consume part | 15:52 |
| sandywalsh | k, I'll look into that | 15:52 |
| jd__ | cool | 15:53 |
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| dragondm | btw, I gather all of the -2's for FF will be lifted soon? | 15:53 |
| jd__ | dragondm: already done (unless I forgot some) | 15:53 |
| dragondm | Yah, there are still some. | 15:54 |
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| jd__ | dragondm: feel free to send them to me so I can lift :) | 15:54 |
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| dragondm | The auto-expire hit a few. I've revived mine: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42713/ | 15:54 |
| jd__ | ah indeed | 15:55 |
| jd__ | I didn't looked into expired ones | 15:55 |
| jd__ | anything else guys? otherwise closing in a minute | 15:55 |
| jd__ | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 3 15:56:34 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-10-03-15.00.html | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-10-03-15.00.txt | 15:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-10-03-15.00.log.html | 15:56 |
| thomasm | Cheers! | 15:56 |
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| lsmola | thank you guys, see you | 15:56 |
| jd__ | well happy hacking and testing! :) | 15:56 |
| lsmola | :-) | 15:56 |
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| sdague | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 3 17:00:14 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdague. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| sdague | ok, who's around for the qa meeting? | 17:00 |
| mlavalle | Hi | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | hi | 17:00 |
| kwhitney | Hi | 17:00 |
| ravikumar_hp | hi | 17:00 |
| sdague | #link Agenda - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_October_3_2013 | 17:00 |
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| dkranz | hi | 17:01 |
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| sdague | ok, lets get started on blueprint cleanup | 17:01 |
| sdague | #topic Blueprints (sdague) | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints (sdague) (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:01 | |
| afazekas | hi | 17:02 |
| sdague | so, I started going through and closing out blueprints that I think are done this morning | 17:02 |
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| sdague | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest | 17:02 |
| ravikumar_hp | sdague: I have closed some | 17:02 |
| sdague | however, we have a ton in Unknown state | 17:02 |
| ravikumar_hp | sdague: anything pending more than 6 months and with out any action should be closed | 17:02 |
| sdague | so it would be really good if people could update those | 17:02 |
| sdague | agreed | 17:02 |
| dkranz | sdague: I think a lot of them are Started based on patches/reviews | 17:03 |
| sdague | mlavalle: is this still "Not Started" - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/quantum-basic-api | 17:03 |
| mlavalle | sdague: Not started | 17:03 |
| sdague | ok, that I think we still want, what's your target in icehouse for it? | 17:04 |
| mlavalle | sdague: icehouse 2 | 17:04 |
| giulivo | hi | 17:04 |
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| giulivo | sdague, I'm not in the launchpad group to be able to work on the blueprints | 17:05 |
| sdague | giulivo: ok, I can fix that | 17:05 |
| mlavalle | sdague: I want to tackle first the neutron job thing | 17:05 |
| sdague | will do after | 17:05 |
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| sdague | mlavalle: that's fine, I marked it medium / icehouse-2 | 17:05 |
| mlavalle | cool | 17:05 |
| sdague | #action sdague to put giulivo into tempest-drivers | 17:05 |
| sdague | ok, other updates on blueprints there? | 17:06 |
| sdague | do we know about stevebaker's bp? | 17:06 |
| giulivo | I think there are some duplicates about the neutron APIs | 17:06 |
| giulivo | I reviewed quite a few changes actually implementing those which weren't using the appropriate topic | 17:06 |
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| giulivo | so the blueprints would need some love around that, I'd be happy to do that | 17:07 |
| sdague | giulivo: ok, great, if you could collapse some of those, that would be great | 17:07 |
| sdague | in future I'd like to not use so many small blueprints, as I think they carry a lot more weight to manage | 17:07 |
| dkranz | sdague: +1 | 17:07 |
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| sdague | honestly, I'll probably see how ttx's storyboard project is progressing at icehouse, and see if it would be good to make tempest an early user of it | 17:08 |
| sdague | as a replacement for blueprints | 17:08 |
| sdague | at icehouse summit that is | 17:08 |
| sdague | the inability for us to target blueprints to multiple projects (like tempest + core project) is really annoying | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | sdague: normally you can get around that with dependecies though | 17:09 |
| sdague | ok, I'll send out an email today to the list giving people a week to update items in Unknown state, and then plan to script purge them | 17:09 |
| sdague | mtreinish: you can... but it gets a little clunky | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | yes it is | 17:09 |
| sdague | alright, any other blueprint discussions? | 17:10 |
| sdague | #topic Neutron job status (sdague) | 17:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Neutron job status (sdague) (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:10 | |
| dkranz | sdague: I was going to do some work on the log errors blueprint Friday but don't want to conflict with any one. | 17:10 |
| sdague | dkranz: honestly, I won't be able to touch if for a bit, so go ahead | 17:10 |
| dkranz | sdague: OK, you had some ideas already so perhaps you can tell me out-of-meeting, or I coujld just proceed. | 17:11 |
| sdague | ok, on the neutron jobs, mlavalle you have an update on where we are with the full job? | 17:11 |
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| sdague | dkranz: lets chat in irc after the meeting | 17:11 |
| dkranz | sdague: k | 17:11 |
| mlavalle | sdague: I've been running it. We still have 14 modules with failures | 17:11 |
| mlavalle | sdague: a couple of them are related to quotas | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: is that more or less than before? | 17:12 |
| sdague | mlavalle: ok, is it in a state where we should turn it back on non voting so it's easier to work the issues? | 17:12 |
| mlavalle | Yes, that will make it easier for me | 17:12 |
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| sdague | mlavalle: ok, lets do that. You want to submit the review? or we need someone else to? | 17:13 |
| mlavalle | I'll do it | 17:13 |
| mlavalle | if I need help, i'll yell | 17:13 |
| sdague | #action mlavalle to submit review to turn neutron-full back on non-voting | 17:13 |
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| sdague | great | 17:13 |
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| dims | sdague, the bogus fd patch is holding up | 17:14 |
| sdague | we're now running 4 devstack/tempest runs on neutron jobs to help prevent races from sliding through | 17:14 |
| sdague | dims: we're not running any tenant isolation jobs atm (because I screwed up the config) | 17:14 |
| afazekas | I guess this bug needs to be fixed in order to pass the quota tests: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1189671 | 17:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1189671 in neutron "default quota driver not suitable for production" [High,In progress] | 17:14 |
| sdague | so that might come back when we get that changed again | 17:14 |
| sdague | salv-orlando had patches | 17:14 |
| dims | sdague, will keep an eye out | 17:14 |
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| mlavalle | afazekas: correct | 17:15 |
| sdague | ok, any other neutron things? | 17:15 |
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| afazekas | the other issue is the inerfaces extension, can we skip it until it is not fixed ? | 17:15 |
| sdague | if we get down to just a skip or two that we need, we can definitely propose that | 17:16 |
| sdague | ok, next up... | 17:16 |
| afazekas | I possible workaround for the quota issue is to configure it by devstack | 17:16 |
| sdague | #topic Elastic Recheck Top issues (mtreinish) | 17:16 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: so this was what the big offenders are now? | 17:17 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: yep | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | well right now bug 1226337 is still the biggest one I think | 17:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1226337 in cinder "tempest.scenario.test_volume_boot_pattern.TestVolumeBootPattern 'qemu-nbd: Failed to bdrv_open'" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1226337 | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | followed by a few neutron ones | 17:18 |
| sdague | mtreinish: so do we need to reopen the cinder bug? | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | the biggest of which was avoided by stopping tenant isolation | 17:18 |
| jog0 | sdague: http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/ | 17:18 |
| sdague | it's in fix released | 17:18 |
| sdague | jog0: yeh, I was about to share that :) | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | sdague: not sure I haven't really been watching things closely enough the past day or so | 17:18 |
| jog0 | sorry for beating you to the punch | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | I just have the aggregate numbers | 17:18 |
| sdague | though it occurs to me that we actually should scale the metrics based on the % chance that it fails it jobs | 17:18 |
| sdague | because the neutron bugs don't look as bad now that they only trip up in neutron jobs | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | it looks like it's fixed based on the graphs | 17:19 |
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| mtreinish | yeah the neutron ones have a bunch of attention right now | 17:19 |
| jog0 | sdague: yeah this isn't perfect for showing how severe but does show when something is fixed | 17:19 |
| sdague | mtreinish: yeh 1226337 actually does look probably fixed | 17:20 |
| sdague | though... the gate's been really quiet today | 17:20 |
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| sdague | with the RCs going out | 17:20 |
| jog0 | 15 jobs up on zuul ATM which is quiet | 17:21 |
| sdague | yeh, the nova db patch had the gate all to itself this morning | 17:21 |
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| sdague | ok, anything else on ER? | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | no I don't think so | 17:21 |
| sdague | which has already shown great value, can't wait to see how it evolves | 17:22 |
| jog0 | I have one thing | 17:22 |
| sdague | ok | 17:22 |
| jog0 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1233923 | 17:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1233923 in neutron "FAIL: tempest.thirdparty.boto.test_ec2_instance_run.InstanceRunTest.test_run_stop_terminate_instance -- nova VM fails to go to running state when using neutron" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 17:22 |
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| jog0 | we don't have a query for that bug because don't know why what to look for in the logs to find it | 17:23 |
| jog0 | its one of a few reasons why test_run_stop_termiante_instance can fail | 17:23 |
| sdague | right, this is because we don't know why the network setup is wrong? | 17:23 |
| jog0 | well I think its a two part issue both nova and neutron | 17:24 |
| sdague | ok | 17:24 |
| jog0 | but its very unclear to me whats going on so extra eyes would be useful | 17:24 |
| afazekas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49439/ it might fix/workaround a lot of neutron issue, I wonder why not monky patch the mysql module | 17:24 |
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| dkranz | jog0: It is Unassigned | 17:25 |
| sdague | #action extra eyes asked for on https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1233923 | 17:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1233923 in neutron "FAIL: tempest.thirdparty.boto.test_ec2_instance_run.InstanceRunTest.test_run_stop_terminate_instance -- nova VM fails to go to running state when using neutron" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 17:25 |
| jog0 | although it hasn't been seen almost 24 hours, but that may be a quiet gate issue | 17:25 |
| sdague | even if people don't manage to figure out the whole thing, we did a pretty good job on the tenant isolation issue by lots of people adding little bits to the bug | 17:25 |
| mlavalle | jog0: I'll take a look and ping you if i can help | 17:26 |
| sdague | thanks mlavalle ! | 17:26 |
| jog0 | thanks | 17:26 |
| sdague | ok, next topic | 17:26 |
| sdague | #topic Stable branch timing (sdague) | 17:26 |
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| sdague | so this came up in IRC today, and I figured we could use a plan | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | sdague: haven't we just done it around release day in the past | 17:27 |
| sdague | last time we basically waited until the week before release and set the stable branch on tempest / devstack / devstack-gate that day | 17:27 |
| sdague | mtreinish: well in grizzly we actually did it once we broken stable/grizzly bitrot :) | 17:28 |
| sdague | but I think 1 week prior | 17:28 |
| sdague | is a good plan | 17:28 |
| dkranz | sdague: I think that makes sense to delay as long as we can | 17:28 |
| sdague | dkranz: ok, sure | 17:28 |
| dkranz | new tests are pouring in | 17:28 |
| sdague | dkranz: that's actually my concern | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | well this brings up the backport policy | 17:28 |
| sdague | master is now open for 1/2 the projects for icehouse | 17:28 |
| dkranz | sdague: I would like to touch on the post-release issue as well , which is related | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | do we have a specific one for new tests | 17:28 |
| sdague | mtreinish: I think our decision was new tests could backport if people wanted to do the work | 17:29 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I think some folks will be maintaining havana for a while | 17:29 |
| giulivo | so btw that is about cutting a line we don't have strict rules about what we can or can't add in the period preceding the branch, is that correct? | 17:29 |
| sdague | though I'd say only for the last stable | 17:29 |
| dkranz | The question is whether they should be encouraged to add tests upstream or down | 17:29 |
| sdague | i.e. we stop landing grizzly tests once havana is out | 17:29 |
| dkranz | sdague: Yes | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | sdague: that's reasonable | 17:30 |
| giulivo | sdague, not even cherry pick? | 17:30 |
| sdague | giulivo: not 2 releases back | 17:30 |
| giulivo | ah okay, missed that sorry | 17:30 |
| giulivo | so cherry pick from icehouse to havana is okay | 17:30 |
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| sdague | yep | 17:31 |
| dkranz | sdague: Do you have an opinion on my question above? | 17:31 |
| sdague | what's the post-release issue? | 17:31 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: I think master is priority if that's what you're asking | 17:31 |
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| dkranz | sdague: Whether folks continuing to add tests to havana should be encouraged to do that upstream or down | 17:31 |
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| sdague | right, they need to go master first | 17:31 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Of course they would go in trunk first | 17:32 |
| dkranz | but about the backporing | 17:32 |
| dkranz | backporting | 17:32 |
| sdague | other than that, havana backporting is fine | 17:32 |
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| dkranz | Do we want a lot of actgivity on stable/havana, or not is the question | 17:32 |
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| sdague | dkranz: I'm not sure I have a huge opinion on that | 17:33 |
| dkranz | sdague: ok | 17:33 |
| dkranz | sdague: I am concerned about the review burden for backports | 17:34 |
| sdague | I'm completely ok with people doing havana backports. I think if we think it's becoming a distraction for other work, we can sort it out later | 17:34 |
| dkranz | sdague: It is a tradeoff | 17:34 |
| dkranz | sdague: OK, works for me. | 17:34 |
| sdague | I think this time around the amount of grizzly activity was fine | 17:34 |
| dkranz | sdague: Yes, but I predict havana will be more. | 17:34 |
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| sdague | FYI, I did close a blueprint this morning that someone put in for backporting quantum tests to folsom | 17:34 |
| dkranz | sdague: But we can see. | 17:34 |
| dkranz | sdague: :) | 17:34 |
| sdague | which is crazy talk :) | 17:35 |
| sdague | dkranz: yeh, I'd rather deal with problems when they come up | 17:35 |
| sdague | ok so | 17:35 |
| sdague | #agreed wait as long as possible to set stable branch | 17:35 |
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| sdague | next topic... | 17:35 |
| sdague | #topic Design Summit Initial Planning (sdague) | 17:36 |
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| sdague | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/icehouse-qa-session-planning | 17:36 |
| sdague | so, this isn't going to be a top focus for 2 weeks, as we don't need a schedule till after the release | 17:36 |
| sdague | however I wanted to get people thinking about design summit | 17:36 |
| sdague | who all is planning on being there? | 17:37 |
| sdague | o/ | 17:37 |
| dkranz | o/ | 17:37 |
| * afazekas me | 17:37 | |
| mtreinish | o/ | 17:37 |
| ravikumar_hp | me | 17:37 |
| * giulivo isn't sure | 17:37 | |
| mtreinish | sdague: I think mkoderer said he was going to be there earlier (I don't think he's around now) | 17:38 |
| sdague | ok | 17:38 |
| sdague | so we'll eventually need things in summit.openstack.org | 17:38 |
| sdague | but like last time, I think planning for a coherent track is better in etherpad | 17:38 |
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| sdague | so I'm starting to fill out ideas that I think we surely need to discuss | 17:39 |
| dkranz | sdague: I think multi-node test runs upstream would be a good topic (again) but not sure if that is us or infra | 17:39 |
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| sdague | dkranz: so I think it's actually an infra talk, because what it really is is a nodepool discussion | 17:39 |
| sdague | about whether node pool can allocate us a set of machines | 17:40 |
| dkranz | sdague: Yeah, I just want it to happen :) | 17:40 |
| sdague | dkranz: that being said, we've talked about that at every summit I've ever been at | 17:40 |
| mkoderer | I am waiting to get my final approval for the trip | 17:40 |
| dkranz | sdague: But it also raises the issue of "install" | 17:40 |
| sdague | so I'm going to be weary of taking sessions that have shown up before and gotten no progress on them | 17:41 |
| dkranz | sdague: Which we have ignored with all-in-one only | 17:41 |
| sdague | dkranz: so devstack will do multi node | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: devstack has multinode support | 17:41 |
| afazekas | heat + devstack sounds cool :) | 17:41 |
| sdague | yeh with heat and nodepool I feel like we have more tools this time | 17:41 |
| dkranz | sdague: I think it is worth a topic either here or infra | 17:42 |
| sdague | dkranz: sure, can you put something in the etherpad in proposed for it | 17:42 |
| dkranz | sdague: The chance of succes if more now | 17:42 |
| sdague | yep | 17:42 |
| dkranz | sdague: Yes | 17:42 |
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| sdague | we've got 13 sessions this time, and we won't overlap with infra | 17:42 |
| sdague | we'll be in the same room | 17:42 |
| sdague | so that's good | 17:42 |
| sdague | personally, my top priority in HK is a solid neutron plan | 17:43 |
| ravikumar_hp | sdague: how many max Qa sessions? | 17:43 |
| mlavalle | sdague: +1 | 17:43 |
| sdague | and markmcclain1 and I have been talking about that already | 17:43 |
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| sdague | that may actually be in the neutron track | 17:43 |
| dkranz | ravikumar_hp: 13 | 17:43 |
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| markmcclain1 | I'd like to be in Neutron if everyone can attend | 17:44 |
| sdague | markmcclain1: yep, I think that's a good call. I was actually going to look at schedule blocks later | 17:44 |
| mkoderer | I would like to speak about the stress tests.. but it's still not sure if the trip will be approved | 17:44 |
| sdague | I think that's an important enough session we should do it in neutron when there is a QA slot and just drive all the QA folks into the neutron room | 17:45 |
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| sdague | mkoderer: you have an idea when you'll know about approval? | 17:45 |
| sdague | for now I'll save you a slot, because I think that's important | 17:45 |
| dkranz | sdague: So "dual session"? | 17:45 |
| sdague | dkranz: basically | 17:45 |
| mkoderer | sdague: hopefully next week | 17:45 |
| sdague | that will ensure we aren't conflicting | 17:46 |
| mkoderer | sdague: ok sounds great | 17:46 |
| mlavalle | sdague: I won't go to HK but I want to be part of the Neutron plan | 17:46 |
| dkranz | sdague: Good idea | 17:46 |
| sdague | mlavalle: ok, no problem, we'll make sure to get etherpad notes up in advance | 17:46 |
| sdague | reminder to everyone proposing things, we want an etherpad URL to link to with outline of the discussion | 17:47 |
| mtreinish | sdague: how soon? | 17:47 |
| sdague | I'm not going to give final approval to anything that doesn't have a good etherpad with agenda, as we want to make the most of our time | 17:47 |
| sdague | mtreinish: 2 weeks | 17:47 |
| mtreinish | ok | 17:47 |
| dkranz | sdague: Let's put the urls in a canonical place | 17:47 |
| sdague | I'll start evaluating on release day | 17:47 |
| sdague | Oct 17 | 17:47 |
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| dkranz | sdague: Last time around I created them all when populating the schedule | 17:47 |
| sdague | dkranz: ok, well how about getting folks to link them in https://etherpad.openstack.org/icehouse-qa-session-planning | 17:48 |
| sdague | I'll build a template on the train tomorrow | 17:48 |
| dkranz | sdague: sounds good | 17:48 |
| sdague | I'm down in NYC for most of the day, so I have a train ride to do stuff like that | 17:48 |
| sdague | we can revisit next week as well | 17:49 |
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| sdague | ok, any other design summit questions / conversations? | 17:49 |
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| sdague | ok... | 17:50 |
| sdague | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:50 |
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| sdague | any critical reviews that need to get eyes on? | 17:51 |
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| giulivo | I've one not critical per-se but which doesn't pass jenkins failing because of devstack errors on the neutron VM (this is on stable/grizzly) | 17:51 |
| sdague | giulivo: right, I wonder how those regressed | 17:52 |
| sdague | because we had stable/grizzly working again | 17:52 |
| sdague | do we know when it started failing? | 17:52 |
| sdague | and what could have caused it? | 17:52 |
| psedlak | it's the https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1233264 right? | 17:52 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1233264 in python-neutronclient "stable branch patches failing in check queue due to missing 'find_resourceid_by_name_or_id'" [High,Fix released] | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | sdague: on the stable branch note there is this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47337/ with your -2 | 17:52 |
| giulivo | sdague, mine was pushed on Oct 3, 2013 10:53 and never got the +1 | 17:53 |
| psedlak | sorry, the https://code.launchpad.net/bugs/1234181 | 17:53 |
| giulivo | (well, not from neutron) | 17:53 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1234181 in neutron "stable/grizzly patches are failing jenkins in check-tempest-devstack-vm-neutron" [Undecided,New] | 17:53 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: ok, I'll put that back in the check queue | 17:53 |
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| giulivo | sdague, people who could work on it I can refer to, to help? | 17:54 |
| giulivo | #openstack-infra? | 17:54 |
| sdague | giulivo: honestly the #openstack-neutron channel might be better | 17:54 |
| giulivo | got it, thanks :) | 17:55 |
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| dkranz | Has this particular devstack exit happened more than once? | 17:55 |
| psedlak | dkranz: yes | 17:55 |
| giulivo | dkranz, yeah it seems to be blocking actually | 17:55 |
| sdague | giulivo: so something I experienced is jenkins kills the script late | 17:55 |
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| sdague | so the actual fail might be 100 lines up | 17:55 |
| psedlak | dkranz: it's already on rechecks ... Affecting changes: 48300, 49485, 49487, 49490, 49491 | 17:56 |
| sdague | you have a link to a fail log? | 17:56 |
| giulivo | sdague, I see, thanks | 17:56 |
| giulivo | sure | 17:56 |
| giulivo | http://logs.openstack.org/91/49491/2/check/check-tempest-devstack-vm-neutron/1fbbb16/ | 17:56 |
| sdague | giulivo: actually, lets take that to -qa after the meeting | 17:56 |
| sdague | we have 4 mins left | 17:56 |
| sdague | anything else from folks? | 17:56 |
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| mkoderer | stress tests sometimes failing in the nightly | 17:56 |
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| mkoderer | I will enhance the logging to get some more information about it | 17:57 |
| sdague | mkoderer: great! | 17:57 |
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| sdague | ok, I have to run to another meeting. so thanks everyone for coming | 17:58 |
| sdague | we'll talk more in -qa | 17:58 |
| mlavalle | ciao | 17:58 |
| sdague | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 3 17:58:13 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-10-03-17.00.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-10-03-17.00.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-10-03-17.00.log.html | 17:58 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 3 18:00:25 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | hi everyone | 18:00 |
| bpb | hey | 18:00 |
| bpb | I hear an echo .... | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | I don't have much on the agenda for the meeting today | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | But I at least wanted to check in and see if there are any issues that people would like to discuss | 18:01 |
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| elo | good morning... | 18:01 |
| elo | not for me | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | bpb anything you'd like to discuss? | 18:02 |
| bpb | We got our last patch into Cinder for the volume encryption, so that it's a plug and play feature. No issues to report, though | 18:02 |
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| bdpayne | bpb great news! | 18:02 |
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| bdpayne | is that the last patch needed for the volume encryption work? | 18:02 |
| bpb | Yes, that's right. But the key manager is not full featured at all... | 18:03 |
| bpb | We're waiting for Barbican | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | understood | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | but nice to have the feature wrapped up for Havanna | 18:03 |
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| bpb | We were sweating for a while, esp. with the gating issue. | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | indeed | 18:04 |
| thomasbiege1 | hi | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne | thomasbiege1 anything you'd like to discuss today? | 18:04 |
| thomasbiege1 | bdpayne: no, sorry | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | ok, no worries | 18:04 |
| thomasbiege1 | :) | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | Sounds like a quiet week, which if just fine | 18:05 |
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| thomasbiege1 | even natinal holiday here | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | So I won't keep you guys… have a great week and we'll touch base again next week with some more summit planning | 18:05 |
| rellerreller | Whoa. That was quick. | 18:05 |
| bpb | sounds great. Joel should be back next week too. | 18:05 |
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| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 3 18:06:17 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-10-03-18.00.html | 18:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-10-03-18.00.txt | 18:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-10-03-18.00.log.html | 18:06 |
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| harlowja | #startmeeting state-management | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 3 20:00:36 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'state_management' | 20:00 |
| harlowja | howdy! | 20:00 |
| harlowja | anyone around today :-P | 20:00 |
| melnikov | hi there | 20:00 |
| harlowja | hey | 20:00 |
| Caitlin56 | here | 20:01 |
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| harlowja | howdy | 20:02 |
| * harlowja waits a few minutes for others | 20:02 | |
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| harlowja | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-09-26-19.59.html (last meeting) | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StateManagement#Agenda_for_next_meeting (this meeting) | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | ok dokie | 20:05 |
| harlowja | anyays | 20:05 |
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| harlowja | guess its just us, so might be quick :-P | 20:05 |
| harlowja | #topic action-items | 20:05 |
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| harlowja | i guess i just had one, ha | 20:05 |
| harlowja | so Caitlin56 it doesn't appear u can cross link blueprints :( | 20:06 |
| harlowja | *cross project link | 20:06 |
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| Caitlin56 | So enter them twice and type the URL in yourself, I suppose. | 20:07 |
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| harlowja | or like create one, then create a 'link' one that in its description has a link to the other one :-/ | 20:07 |
| harlowja | sorta not so nice | 20:07 |
| harlowja | *especially for a project like openstack where alot of stuff is cross-linked | 20:08 |
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| harlowja | cool | 20:09 |
| harlowja | #topic coordination | 20:10 |
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| harlowja | so i think there is some work going on with the celery stuff that could benefit from a little more coordiation | 20:10 |
| harlowja | let me see if any of those guys are around, kebray yt | 20:10 |
| jlucci | I'm here for like five minutes | 20:10 |
| jlucci | : X | 20:10 |
| harlowja | k | 20:10 |
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| harlowja | so i was thinking that if we get the real basics in, even with @celery.task decorator, then we can proceed forward with fixing that problem | 20:11 |
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| harlowja | does that seem reasonable, i'm not sure how easy it will be to fix that | 20:11 |
| harlowja | *the dependence on celery.task and ultimately its static registry | 20:11 |
| jlucci | Yeah, I'm okay with that | 20:12 |
| jlucci | Not sure what changes I need to make for that to happen though | 20:12 |
| jlucci | Just pull out the event thread to consumer stuff? | 20:12 |
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| jlucci | s/pull out/change | 20:12 |
| harlowja | sure | 20:12 |
| harlowja | i think thats fair, and i think we need to writeup what the issue is, and have a little plan to address it | 20:12 |
| jlucci | Will that change let distributed in, I guess was the question | 20:12 |
| harlowja | which i think melnikov, u, and me can explore | 20:12 |
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| harlowja | sure, that change, + bugs/blueprints/plan on next steps to fix that would be great | 20:13 |
| harlowja | i think thats reasonable | 20:13 |
| jlucci | kk - Must go for school stuff, but I will get that doe | 20:13 |
| jlucci | done * | 20:13 |
| * harlowja for those that have no idea what we are talking about, the writeup/plan would help | 20:13 | |
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| harlowja | ok, so thats good | 20:13 |
| harlowja | melnikov does that seem ok with u, i'd almost want to put the distributed_engine in some sorta of 'alpha' area if i could, due to these restrictions | 20:14 |
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| harlowja | but at least documenting bugs, blueprints, a plan to get out of the problematic situation would be a start | 20:15 |
| harlowja | at least then we agree it is a problem and have some sort of path to fixing it | 20:15 |
| melnikov | sounds reasonable | 20:15 |
| harlowja | *instead of no path | 20:15 |
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| harlowja | *whether it can be fixed is another question, but we can talk about that outside of this meeting i gues | 20:15 |
| harlowja | ok cool | 20:15 |
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| harlowja | #topic resumption-migrations | 20:16 |
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| harlowja | so melnikov and i have been throwing around ideas for how to migrate the persisted flow/task details and just wanted to make people aware (or get other input) | 20:16 |
| harlowja | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/taskflow/+spec/resumption-migrations | 20:16 |
| harlowja | thx melnikov for making that blueprint | 20:16 |
| harlowja | there is a couple of prototypes up | 20:17 |
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| harlowja | the general idea though is that when u have a flow with a set of tasks running, while those tasks are running taskflow is actively persisting what those tasks have done | 20:17 |
| harlowja | but now say half-way through running that set of tasks, the program is stopped, say for a software upgrade | 20:18 |
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| harlowja | then what happens when the program comes back online and needs to migrate the persisted data for those tasks to some newer format | 20:18 |
| harlowja | so that the flow that was running can resume running | 20:18 |
| harlowja | if anyone wants to comment on that blueprint with ideas, its fine also | 20:19 |
| harlowja | a couple different code reviews with different ideas also | 20:19 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48773/ | 20:19 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49380/ | 20:19 |
| harlowja | it'd be nice to see what other people think, are we makign it to complex, to simple, shouldn't do it at all (any of the above) | 20:19 |
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| harlowja | thats about all i had, seeking of course more input on designs and such :) | 20:21 |
| harlowja | any other topics before open-discuss? | 20:21 |
| harlowja | #topic open-discuss | 20:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open-discuss (Meeting topic: state-management)" | 20:22 | |
| harlowja | so just to keep everyone updated | 20:22 |
| harlowja | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/TaskflowHKIdeas | 20:22 |
| harlowja | also feel free to update that, still collecting ideas | 20:22 |
| harlowja | melnikov i was thinking maybe i can focus on improving some examples and such, or maybe anastasia wants to, either or | 20:22 |
| harlowja | or both of us can | 20:22 |
| harlowja | get the resumption stuff in | 20:23 |
| harlowja | and i can also start on whatever the talk will be about with kebray (who i think is going now!) | 20:23 |
| melnikov | anastasia is on vacations until oct 14th | 20:23 |
| harlowja | np | 20:23 |
| harlowja | i can do examples then also, and whatever other stuff y! throws at me | 20:24 |
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| harlowja | maybe i can start a 'best-practices-for-taskflow' wiki also | 20:24 |
| harlowja | that seems like a good idea | 20:24 |
| melnikov | yes, good idea | 20:24 |
| Caitlin56 | +1 | 20:24 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja start taskflow-best-practices wiki | 20:24 |
| harlowja | since i think we'll hit alot of the same questions over and over | 20:25 |
| harlowja | and things that taskflow is good at, and thinks that it is not | 20:25 |
| harlowja | so this seems like a good place to direct people to for common stuff like that | 20:25 |
| harlowja | will do that | 20:25 |
| harlowja | Caitlin56 is any of the nextenta people doing a session for cinder | 20:26 |
| harlowja | if u know | 20:26 |
| harlowja | ah, i see http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/70 | 20:26 |
| harlowja | cool | 20:26 |
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| Caitlin56 | planned but not formally scheduled as of yet, | 20:27 |
| harlowja | sure sure | 20:27 |
| harlowja | most of those seem 'Unreviewed' still | 20:27 |
| Caitlin56 | I wouldn't be opposed to presenting a version in a second session if you'd like. | 20:27 |
| harlowja | should start transitioning to 'approved' (or not) hopefully i guess in the next couple of weeks | 20:27 |
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| Caitlin56 | jgriffith is fighting havana bugs - not thinking about icehouse yet | 20:28 |
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| harlowja | either or, i was just thinking u might have some good ideas for https://etherpad.openstack.org/TaskflowHKIdeas | 20:28 |
| harlowja | and we can combine our idea power! | 20:28 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:28 |
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| harlowja | and if i can help out with your session, let me know also | 20:29 |
| Caitlin56 | But I am finally confirmed for Hong Kong. | 20:29 |
| harlowja | thats step #1 i guess ;) | 20:29 |
| kebray | harlowja hey, I'm here, but dealing with an internal issue... so, not really here. | 20:29 |
| harlowja | np | 20:29 |
| harlowja | kebray jessica popped in, we i think have a good plan | 20:30 |
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| harlowja | just i need to connect with u on talk and stuff | 20:30 |
| harlowja | can do after/outside meeting | 20:30 |
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| harlowja | ok, cool, any other stuff for people to talk about, or we can end early :) | 20:32 |
| harlowja | speak now!, ha | 20:32 |
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| harlowja | alright then | 20:34 |
| harlowja | for more stuff #openstack-state-management folks! | 20:34 |
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| harlowja | u'll find most of us in there | 20:34 |
| harlowja | thx for coming folks melnikov Caitlin56 ;) | 20:36 |
| harlowja | #endmeeting | 20:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 3 20:36:56 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-10-03-20.00.html | 20:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-10-03-20.00.txt | 20:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-10-03-20.00.log.html | 20:37 |
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| * russellb waits a minute or two to let folks join | 21:00 | |
| mriedem | hi! | 21:00 |
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| * beagles returns from the other side of... whatever | 21:01 | |
| russellb | orly! | 21:01 |
| comstud | o/ | 21:01 |
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| russellb | alright, let's do this thang | 21:02 |
| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 3 21:02:10 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
| melwitt | k | 21:02 |
| russellb | hello, everyone! | 21:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:02 |
| russellb | who's around? | 21:02 |
| alaski | hi | 21:02 |
| comstud | o/ | 21:02 |
| dripton | hi | 21:02 |
| melwitt | hi | 21:02 |
| beagles | yo | 21:02 |
| russellb | alright, cool, and some other lurkers i'm sure | 21:03 |
| russellb | #topic havana status | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "havana status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:03 | |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:03 |
| russellb | havana-rc1 for nova went out today \o/ | 21:03 |
| russellb | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-rc1 | 21:03 |
| russellb | 5 blueprints and 167 bug fixes in rc1 | 21:03 |
| beagles | 254364 | 21:03 |
| beagles | uh sorry.. new yubikey | 21:03 |
| russellb | ah, ok. | 21:03 |
| russellb | so, at this point we do not have an rc2 planned | 21:03 |
| russellb | but we have 2 weeks until the scheduled havana release | 21:04 |
| russellb | so for any bugs that might be worth including in an rc2, please tag them with "havana-rc-potential" | 21:04 |
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| comstud | a 2 week vacation sounds great. | 21:04 |
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| russellb | and if something comes up that you feel justifies an RC2, please talk to me | 21:04 |
| russellb | i wouldn't be surprised if we hit *something* in 2 weeks | 21:04 |
| russellb | any questions about havana status or process? | 21:05 |
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| russellb | last thing, if you have some time, please take a look at bug triage | 21:05 |
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| russellb | we need to regularly look there for any potential release blockers | 21:06 |
| russellb | next topic ... | 21:06 |
| russellb | #topic Icehouse | 21:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Icehouse (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:06 | |
| russellb | the master branch is now open for Icehouse development, feature freeze is over | 21:06 |
| * comstud claps. | 21:06 | |
| russellb | yay | 21:06 |
| * johnthetubaguy smiles | 21:06 | |
| russellb | if you -2'd stuff for the feature freeze, it's worth a pass through your review list to remove those | 21:06 |
| russellb | looks like most of mine expired already, so hoping people will ping me ... | 21:07 |
| russellb | i posted to the ML as a reminder | 21:07 |
| russellb | If you have blueprints, feel free to start targeting them to icehouse milestones you intend to deliver them in, and blueprint review will kick off soon (probably mostly after the summit though) | 21:07 |
| russellb | speaking of the summit! | 21:07 |
| russellb | summit.openstack.org | 21:08 |
| russellb | please propose sessions by the havana release, oct 17 | 21:08 |
| russellb | #note please propose design summit sessions by oct 17 | 21:08 |
| russellb | 23 proposals for nova so far, 32 time slots | 21:08 |
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| russellb | for reference, 31 time slots in portland | 21:08 |
| russellb | i suspect a bunch more proposals will come in | 21:08 |
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| * johnthetubaguy has a few sessions to submit tomorrow | 21:08 | |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: cool :) | 21:09 |
| russellb | i'm sure there's a lot left to come | 21:09 |
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| russellb | which brings me to ... i'd like help putting together the schedule | 21:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I can probably help if thats useful? | 21:09 |
| russellb | i did it mostly on my own last time, which probably wasn't a great idea | 21:09 |
| russellb | definitely | 21:09 |
| russellb | i'd like to gather more input for the hard decisions that have to be made | 21:09 |
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| russellb | what sessions are in vs out | 21:10 |
| russellb | we have tools at our disposal ... like merging sessions together, or just deciding that something is non-controversial or easy enough that just a mailing list thread is sufficient | 21:10 |
| russellb | so, i guess i'd like to know who all would be interested | 21:10 |
| russellb | and then, the best way to work together | 21:10 |
| russellb | like ... just comment on the proposals? (it's public though) | 21:11 |
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| russellb | used a google spreadsheet to rate them? have some meetings? | 21:11 |
| russellb | or any other ideas? | 21:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I wondered about a doodle poll, but its not expressive enough | 21:11 |
| russellb | (this is a very good thing to jump in and help with if you have interest in leadership/PTL positions in nova or other projects in the future) | 21:11 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: hm, i haven't used doodle for something like this | 21:12 |
| russellb | i suppose it depends on how many people want to work on it | 21:12 |
| russellb | if it's just a few, we could hop on the phone | 21:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: yeah, probably a bad idea, just thinking out loud, yeah depends how many | 21:12 |
| russellb | if a lot of people want to rate proposals, then we should probably just have some sort of simple voting set up | 21:12 |
| russellb | and see how that shakes out | 21:13 |
| mrodden1 | google form would be how i would probably attack that issue... | 21:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah: +1 to that, depends on the number of people | 21:13 |
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| russellb | ok, so I guess I'll post to the mailing list to get a wider audience to the question and figure out how many people want to provide input | 21:13 |
| russellb | i suspect if i do that we'll get a bunch of people saying they'd like to vote ... | 21:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, thats true, but then someone group has to read through the vote, and combine duplicate sessions to start with I guess | 21:14 |
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| cyeoh | if voting might be worth allowing everyone -2/-1/0/+1/+2 not to actually block or approve but get a better feeling of how strongly they feel about a session | 21:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | I wondered about putting it up in gerrit, lol | 21:15 |
| russellb | ha | 21:15 |
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| russellb | how would we do that ... a new "project" and each session is a gerrit change? | 21:15 |
| russellb | that's kinda funny. | 21:15 |
| russellb | and i kinda like it | 21:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | it could actually work | 21:16 |
| russellb | indeed | 21:16 |
| clarkb | you don't even need a new project. just a magical nova branch | 21:16 |
| russellb | clarkb: ooh | 21:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | nice | 21:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | summit/icehouse | 21:16 |
| russellb | clarkb: how do you create the branch? just push it? | 21:17 |
| clarkb | (though that might be interesting to sort out gate jobs for) | 21:17 |
| russellb | heh | 21:17 |
| russellb | noop | 21:17 |
| cyeoh | There is also something like: http://zookeepr.org/ - which we've used for linux.conf.au paper review but might be overkill for this... | 21:17 |
| clarkb | russellb: no, you need to create it in UI. I should think the branch idea through a little more | 21:17 |
| russellb | clarkb: ok | 21:17 |
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| clarkb | just to make sure it doesn't make zuul stuff more painful | 21:17 |
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| russellb | clarkb: ok, should I start a thread on the infra list? or just let you ponder it for a while? | 21:18 |
| clarkb | russellb: a thread would be great | 21:18 |
| russellb | ok | 21:18 |
| russellb | #action russellb to start a thread on the infra list to explore possibility of using gerrit to gather summit proposal feedback | 21:18 |
| russellb | you know ... that could result in sessions becoming a popularity contest | 21:18 |
| russellb | email your company and ask them all to go +1 your thing | 21:18 |
| * russellb sighs | 21:18 | |
| comstud | only +2s from cores count | 21:19 |
| comstud | that's wrong too | 21:19 |
| comstud | heh | 21:19 |
| russellb | yeah, crossed my mind, but there's a whole bunch of +1s i'd want to count | 21:19 |
| comstud | yep | 21:19 |
| russellb | if only we could limit it to nova ATCs | 21:19 |
| comstud | nod | 21:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe attendees only, but thats harder to do I guess | 21:19 |
| comstud | maybe gerrit needs a +1, +2, and +3 | 21:20 |
| comstud | hehe | 21:20 |
| russellb | well, we have about 2 weeks to sort out the method used for this | 21:20 |
| dansmith | have we had anyone throw a fit in the past because their session was maliciously ignored in the schedule? | 21:20 |
| tjones | Can u toss votes from people who r not ATC? | 21:20 |
| russellb | dansmith: ummm, sort of | 21:20 |
| dansmith | russellb: okay then :) | 21:20 |
| russellb | dansmith: i got lots of grumbling about sessions getting merged, mostly | 21:21 |
| dansmith | sigh | 21:21 |
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| russellb | so this time i think i'd actually lean more towards saying no than merges (except for obvious duplicates) | 21:21 |
| russellb | find more cases where a live discussion doesn't seem really useful (the ones where it's an obvious good idea) | 21:21 |
| russellb | and yeah, i think some people were offended when i rejected theirs | 21:22 |
| cyeoh | if you decide to have a vote, probably a good idea to say up front if you'll follow the results of the vote strictly or just use it as guideline for what you decide to include | 21:22 |
| russellb | it's mighty political :-) | 21:22 |
| russellb | cyeoh: +1 | 21:22 |
| russellb | so if you want to get more involved in the political side, come right up! | 21:23 |
| russellb | well it's not political to me, but people take it that way | 21:23 |
| russellb | but anyway, it's really quite a bit of work, so i'd like to get help and include more people on the decisions :-) | 21:23 |
| russellb | and generally thing the more open the better | 21:23 |
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| russellb | think* | 21:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | all sounds good | 21:24 |
| russellb | cool. | 21:24 |
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| russellb | I think that's really all I had on Icehouse right now | 21:24 |
| russellb | just getting things moving there | 21:24 |
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| russellb | #topic sub-team reports | 21:25 |
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| russellb | haven't done this in a few weeks, sorry | 21:25 |
| russellb | anyone want to give a report on a specific area? | 21:25 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: tjones1 | 21:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | no xenapi update really, planning the roadmap session next week | 21:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | smokestack is proving useful, looking at tempest based stuff too | 21:26 |
| russellb | so you think we should include plugin versioning if we do an rc2? | 21:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its probably worth it, just to help support people with that first time setup | 21:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | its low risk, given smokestack worked | 21:27 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: ok, i'm sort of neutral on it, but with your support i'm good with it | 21:27 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: help me remember if we make rc2 though :) | 21:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, its a close call, I will try to :) | 21:27 |
| russellb | k, i should remember when i go over the havana-rc-potential list, so shouldn't have to worry ... | 21:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 21:28 |
| russellb | there was talk of smokestack eventually gating | 21:28 |
| russellb | is that still moving? | 21:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think so, not totally sure what the blocker is now | 21:28 |
| dripton | Is smokestack fast enough to get to every change in time yet? | 21:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think thats the issue, thinking about it | 21:29 |
| russellb | there seemed to be concerns at first about it not being official infrastructure | 21:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | it used to be, its just that the gate got faster recently | 21:29 |
| russellb | but that was at the beginning of the conversation, and i haven't followed | 21:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I kinda lost track of that, leaving BobBall to push it though, I will follow up with him and Dad | 21:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol | 21:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | Dan | 21:29 |
| russellb | kinda seems like the same sorts of tests should just be run under the same job scheduler (jenkins, zuul) ... | 21:29 |
| russellb | ok | 21:29 |
| russellb | well definitely glad it's at least running non-gating, so we get heads up | 21:30 |
| russellb | i'm happy with that for all the drivers | 21:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I kinda like it doing tempest and devstack, but there are issues down that route | 21:30 |
| russellb | cool, well thanks for the updates | 21:30 |
| russellb | tjones: tjones1 around? | 21:30 |
| tjones | We are very close to posting +1 for changes that pass our CI tests. We just have some small issues to take care of. | 21:30 |
| russellb | do you know how the vmware CI is coming? | 21:30 |
| russellb | ha | 21:30 |
| russellb | good to hear | 21:30 |
| russellb | how about -1s? | 21:30 |
| tjones | We will do that too once we are confident in the results | 21:31 |
| russellb | cool | 21:31 |
| tjones | Making sure our infra is solid | 21:31 |
| russellb | one thing to consider short term is something that smokestack did | 21:31 |
| russellb | which is for -1s, they had to be manually reviewed | 21:31 |
| russellb | and if approved, a -1 got posted | 21:31 |
| russellb | it may still work that way, not positive | 21:31 |
| dansmith | tjones: and logs of runs too, I hope? | 21:31 |
| russellb | dansmith: +1 | 21:31 |
| tjones | Yes exactly. Don't want false negatives. Yes - with logs | 21:31 |
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| dansmith | cool | 21:32 |
| russellb | alexpilotti: you aren't around by chance are you? curious about CI on hyper-v. ping me later to chat if not around now | 21:32 |
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| russellb | i know there's active work on CI for baremetal with the other triple-o elements | 21:32 |
| alexpilotti | russellb: hi | 21:32 |
| russellb | alexpilotti: hi there :) | 21:32 |
| russellb | alexpilotti: was just talking through hypervisors and CI status, was wondering about hyper-v | 21:33 |
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| russellb | since that's something we want to require before the icehouse release | 21:33 |
| alexpilotti | russellb: primeministerp is coordinating this effort | 21:33 |
| russellb | ah ok | 21:33 |
| alexpilotti | russellb: I can tell you anyway that we will have it ready | 21:33 |
| russellb | ok great :-) | 21:34 |
| alexpilotti | russellb: what's the deadline | 21:34 |
| alexpilotti | russellb: I3 or the actual Icehouse release :-) | 21:34 |
| alexpilotti | ? | 21:34 |
| russellb | good question | 21:34 |
| russellb | i suppose the idea was that if it's not done we'd be pulling drivers out | 21:34 |
| russellb | so really needs to be done by feature freeze, or shortly after | 21:34 |
| russellb | so, icehouse-3 ideally | 21:34 |
| alexpilotti | russellb: oki | 21:34 |
| russellb | with a little bit of slack | 21:35 |
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| russellb | docker is a new driver in havana | 21:35 |
| alexpilotti | russellb: is there a common design / implementation among the driver's CIs? | 21:35 |
| russellb | they added devstack suppot (i asked for it so we'd have an easy path to CI) | 21:35 |
| russellb | alexpilotti: no, the idea is just to use gerrit's interface for voting for test results | 21:36 |
| alexpilotti | russellb: ok, and for the rest each driver can do whatever is needed? | 21:36 |
| russellb | alexpilotti: you basically could either try to get hooked into jenkins/zuul, join in with smokestack, or build your own (like vmware is doing) | 21:36 |
| russellb | yes | 21:36 |
| alexpilotti | russellb: yep, the zuul part is clear | 21:37 |
| russellb | i don't mind, if it's easier to build your own thing, i'm OK with that, as long as the test results are available | 21:37 |
| russellb | basically, act like smokestack | 21:37 |
| russellb | but really, the *best* thing IMO is see if you can work with the infrastructure team | 21:37 |
| alexpilotti | russellb: are there requirements, like doing a triple-o deployment | 21:37 |
| dansmith | russellb: and the goal is 'running tempest' right? | 21:37 |
| russellb | dansmith: good point, yes | 21:37 |
| russellb | i guess i haven't been especially clear on details here :) | 21:37 |
| dansmith | because that's not what smokestack does, just to be clear | 21:37 |
| russellb | dansmith: good point ... | 21:38 |
| dansmith | and while it's a good step, I definitely think running tempest is what we should shoot for | 21:38 |
| alexpilotti | dansmith: yep, we're already working on tempest | 21:38 |
| dansmith | alexpilotti: cool | 21:38 |
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| russellb | so on docker, it *should* be easy to add to the existing infra | 21:39 |
| russellb | blocker i hit was that the images we use right now don't have a new enough kernel | 21:39 |
| russellb | so either i need to convince infra to upgrade the kernel in the image everything uses, or get a new image created just for the docker runs | 21:39 |
| alexpilotti | russellb: during H3 I saw a real massive peak of jobs | 21:39 |
| russellb | alexpilotti: for sure :) | 21:40 |
| russellb | and i would prepare for even more in icehouse | 21:40 |
| alexpilotti | russellb: do you know how many bare metal servers are being used for smokestack? | 21:40 |
| russellb | more contributions, and an improved infrastructure will result in a bunch more, just like havana | 21:40 |
| russellb | alexpilotti: talk to dan prince for details on smokestack | 21:40 |
| alexpilotti | russellb: I will, tx | 21:40 |
| russellb | np | 21:40 |
| russellb | only driver we haven't discussed is powervm | 21:41 |
| russellb | i've heard rumors of CI for that being worked on, don't know details or status though | 21:41 |
| dansmith | mriedem: mrodden ? | 21:41 |
| mrodden | :) | 21:41 |
| mriedem | muwahaha | 21:41 |
| mriedem | was just about to head out | 21:41 |
| russellb | too bad, now you have the spotlight | 21:42 |
| mriedem | it's a WIP, working with dansmith's old team on details | 21:42 |
| mriedem | we already run something like smokestack and tempest internally | 21:42 |
| dansmith | mriedem: really? | 21:42 |
| mriedem | dansmith: yup, it's a bit *confused* at the moment | 21:42 |
| dansmith | humkay :) | 21:42 |
| mrodden | the biggest worry is being able to keep up with community patchsets coming it at the moment | 21:43 |
| russellb | yeah, it's quite a flow | 21:43 |
| mrodden | coming in* | 21:43 |
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| russellb | and only going to increase | 21:43 |
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| mrodden | thats true | 21:43 |
| russellb | well, let me know if you need anything from me | 21:44 |
| russellb | #topic open discussion | 21:44 |
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| russellb | any other topics you fine folks would like to discuss? | 21:44 |
| beagles | ahem | 21:44 |
| russellb | zuul is really bored | 21:44 |
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| dansmith | I'm about to fix that | 21:44 |
| russellb | so we should go review or write more code, heh | 21:44 |
| beagles | I do.. actually | 21:44 |
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| russellb | beagles: cool! what's up | 21:44 |
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| beagles | okay, so I've been out in quantum/neutron land for the past. The idea was to provide some continuity or something but that quickly got subverted by... | 21:46 |
| beagles | other thiings | 21:46 |
| jog0 | russellb: what happens when this deadline passes http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg00835.html | 21:46 |
| russellb | jog0: pull the drivers out of the tree IMO | 21:47 |
| russellb | jog0: that's why i'm trying to over-communicate about this to the driver maintainers | 21:47 |
| beagles | anyways, the goal of bringing it up to snuff and deprecating nova-networking afaik remains | 21:47 |
| jog0 | russellb: ++ it may be worth making that public since that is only 6.5 months away | 21:47 |
| russellb | jog0: OK | 21:47 |
| jog0 | err more public | 21:47 |
| russellb | #action russellb to send an update on the driver CI requirement to the ML | 21:47 |
| beagles | there is no actual roadmap for that... so I've started trying to make sense of that | 21:47 |
| beagles | I started a doc https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E9CiG8fmcn0FMI15zpE0dRQ1CcFhXV8TxL7mU7vgWv8/edit | 21:48 |
| russellb | wow | 21:48 |
| beagles | the notion is to start a productive conversation around what it is going to take to meet that goal | 21:48 |
| russellb | sidenote: can we move it to the wiki? :-) | 21:49 |
| beagles | there is still a lot of librarian work to do on cataloging particular points... but that is perhaps besides the point | 21:49 |
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| beagles | (yes) | 21:49 |
| dripton | That is a ton of detail to absorb. Can we all read it and discuss again next week? | 21:49 |
| jog0 | beagles: I didn't see tempst anywhere in that doc, a little surprised | 21:49 |
| beagles | dripton, yes | 21:49 |
| jog0 | tempest* | 21:49 |
| russellb | beagles: how would you like feedback on this? | 21:49 |
| beagles | jog0, it is implied | 21:49 |
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| beagles | at the bottom | 21:50 |
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| russellb | #note Check out beagles' doc on nova-network and neutron --> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E9CiG8fmcn0FMI15zpE0dRQ1CcFhXV8TxL7mU7vgWv8/edit | 21:50 |
| * jog0 doesn't do well with implicit | 21:50 | |
| russellb | yeah, i need some time to read through it | 21:50 |
| beagles | russellb, not sure really. Does the wiki provide mechanisms for comments | 21:50 |
| russellb | beagles: no | 21:50 |
| russellb | does google? i haven't used that if so | 21:50 |
| beagles | jog0: :) truth be told I didn't get to the point of pointing all tha tis broken | 21:50 |
| beagles | russellb, I think so | 21:50 |
| russellb | heh | 21:51 |
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| tjones1 | yes google does | 21:51 |
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| russellb | just trying to keep everything in one place is all | 21:51 |
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| beagles | fwiw: when I started this doc, it was meant to be a four pager, but each time I bring it up I find out something else that needs to be at least summarized | 21:51 |
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| russellb | so doesn't have to move now, can move later when you have collected feedback if that works best | 21:52 |
| beagles | russellb, k | 21:52 |
| russellb | Ok, so, we should all review this and discuss next week? | 21:52 |
| beagles | yup.. feel free to email me or comment or ping me on irc or whatever | 21:52 |
| russellb | cool | 21:52 |
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| jog0 | beagles: is there a summery anywhere? | 21:53 |
| russellb | but this is by far the most detail on the topic i've seen, so nice work | 21:53 |
| jog0 | ++ | 21:53 |
| beagles | jog0: not at the moment... it will need a blueprint | 21:53 |
| russellb | jog0: the end has a section on what to do from here | 21:53 |
| jog0 | russellb: ahh nice | 21:53 |
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| russellb | beagles: gathering feedback from the neutron side as well? | 21:54 |
| russellb | guess that's a silly question | 21:54 |
| beagles | russellb, yes... I introduced this earlier this week.. no feedback yet. I'm also planting seeds that any discussions of Icehouse endeavors for neutron have to take this into account very seriously | 21:54 |
| beagles | planting seeds? no, I've just said it outright actually :) | 21:55 |
| beagles | and will continue to do so | 21:55 |
| russellb | huge +1 | 21:55 |
| russellb | i feel like we as a project sort of dropped the ball on this in havana | 21:55 |
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| russellb | beagles: well thanks a lot for bringing this up, and i'll be sure to read soon | 21:56 |
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| johnthetubaguy | +1 we need to make progress on this, this looks like a good step forward :) | 21:56 |
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| beagles | no hurry for the weekend, rewrites in progress :) | 21:57 |
| beagles | s/for/before/ | 21:57 |
| russellb | alrighty | 21:57 |
| russellb | well, good meeting everyone, thanks a lot! | 21:58 |
| russellb | bye for now | 21:58 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
| tjones1 | c ya | 21:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 3 21:58:12 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-10-03-21.02.html | 21:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-10-03-21.02.txt | 21:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-10-03-21.02.log.html | 21:58 |
| jog0 | o/ | 21:58 |
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