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| ujuc | Hi~~~ | 00:56 |
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| Giuli | hay | 00:56 |
| Giuli | hi | 00:56 |
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| katomo | Hi | 00:57 |
| gabrielcw | hello | 00:57 |
| ujuc | :) | 00:58 |
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| Daisy | Hello | 00:59 |
| gabrielcw | Hi | 00:59 |
| Daisy | Hi, gabrielcw | 00:59 |
| Daisy | Nice to meet you. | 00:59 |
| gabrielcw | nice to meet you too | 00:59 |
| gabrielcw | you all, my first time here | 01:00 |
| Daisy | any other people here? | 01:00 |
| Daisy | we will start the meeting now. | 01:00 |
| ujuc | Hi~ | 01:00 |
| katomo | Hi | 01:00 |
| gabrielcw | ok | 01:00 |
| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 01:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 18 01:01:06 2013 UTC. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 01:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 01:01 |
| Daisy | Good morning, ujuc and katomo . | 01:01 |
| Daisy | We have a new friend today. | 01:01 |
| Daisy | gabrielcw: would you like to do a simple introduction? which country are you from? | 01:01 |
| gabrielcw | sure, | 01:01 |
| ujuc | Good mornig~ :D | 01:02 |
| Daisy | ujuc is from Korean team, and katomo is from Japanese team. I'm from China. | 01:02 |
| Giuli | Good | 01:02 |
| Daisy | Hi, Giuli | 01:02 |
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| Daisy | Nice to meet you, Giuli. Where do you come from, Giuli ? | 01:02 |
| gabrielcw | Hello everyone, i'm Gabriel Wainer from Brazil, i work for HP here in an openstack related project, and I felt that I could help with translation, outside my working hours | 01:03 |
| Daisy | Nice introduction, gabrielcw . | 01:03 |
| gabrielcw | I`ve started about 2 weeks ago | 01:03 |
| Daisy | are there any people who would like to do a simple introduction? | 01:03 |
| gabrielcw | the language is pt_BR by the way | 01:03 |
| Daisy | hehe | 01:03 |
| ujuc | :D ~ | 01:04 |
| Daisy | I think pt_BR translation have a good progress in Transifex. | 01:04 |
| Daisy | so let's move on to the topic. | 01:04 |
| Daisy | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 01:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 01:04 | |
| Daisy | amotoki prepare the index page for Japanese localized page | 01:05 |
| Daisy | I don't see amotoki there. | 01:05 |
| Daisy | do you get any update from amotoki, katomo ? | 01:05 |
| katomo | No | 01:05 |
| Daisy | katomo and Daisy to work on the Jenkins script to publish Japanese operation guide. | 01:05 |
| Daisy | I see katomo sent a mail. Let's discuss it in the following topic. | 01:06 |
| Daisy | Daisy to describe the i18n infra job in the wiki. | 01:06 |
| Daisy | I sent a mail to the mailing list also. | 01:06 |
| Daisy | I made a wiki page to describe all the tools/scripts. | 01:06 |
| Daisy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18n/Tools | 01:07 |
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| Daisy | I think the following works related with tools/scripts can reference this wiki page. | 01:07 |
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| Daisy | Daisy to take a look at Transifex API to see if it's able to get the translators information. | 01:07 |
| Daisy | sorry, there is no progress with this work. | 01:07 |
| Daisy | I will put it to the next meeting check list. | 01:07 |
| Daisy | Daisy to create wiki page and github project to track the translation tasks. | 01:08 |
| Daisy | There is a wiki page to describe all the high priority works we want to do: | 01:08 |
| Daisy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18n/Works | 01:08 |
| Daisy | as to the progress tracking, I have an orgainzation created in github, following what Japanese team is using. | 01:09 |
| Daisy | https://github.com/OpenStack-I18n | 01:09 |
| Daisy | But I have no clear mind about how to track the progress for each langauge team. | 01:09 |
| Daisy | as we discussed last week, I think, Japanese team and French team have their own wiki site to track the progress. | 01:10 |
| Daisy | I'd like to hear from you, gabrielcw . | 01:10 |
| Daisy | How do you team track the contributors, task assignment and progress? | 01:10 |
| gabrielcw | yeah, I was thinking about it, but so far I am still looking for contributors, there are 2 friends that might join, but until now, I was making all the work | 01:11 |
| Daisy | I mean, for a big translation work, usually, we divide it into several part, and assign to different peoples. | 01:11 |
| gabrielcw | so that`s not an issue until now for me | 01:11 |
| Daisy | ok. | 01:11 |
| Daisy | so gabrielcw , you can create a wiki page here: https://github.com/OpenStack-I18n/Translation/wiki/_pages | 01:12 |
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| Daisy | to track the task assignments, contributors and something else you team want to write. | 01:12 |
| gabrielcw | by the way, do you guys use to have a mailing list for each laguage right? should I create one on google groups? | 01:12 |
| gabrielcw | nice, I will check that | 01:12 |
| Daisy | We have 1 mailing list: openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org. | 01:12 |
| Daisy | but we don't have mailing list for each team. | 01:13 |
| Daisy | I think, you can use anything you like for your team. | 01:13 |
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| gabrielcw | right, but no other to discuss with the language team. I think it would be nice | 01:13 |
| Daisy | of course, you can use openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org too. | 01:13 |
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| gabrielcw | to talk about better translations and standardization throughout the entires docs | 01:14 |
| Daisy | ok. for other language team who don't have wiki page, feel free to use https://github.com/OpenStack-I18n/Translation/wiki/_pages | 01:14 |
| ujuc | gabrielcw, irc join #openstack-translation too | 01:14 |
| katomo | At now, Japanese team uses Google groups "openstack-ja" as mailing list. | 01:14 |
| Daisy | good remind, ujuc . | 01:14 |
| gabrielcw | ok | 01:14 |
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| Daisy | fifieldt to mail to Stefano about the statistics in Transifex. | 01:15 |
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| Daisy | fifieldt is not able to attend a meeting. He sent a email to me. | 01:15 |
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| gabrielcw | sorry | 01:15 |
| Daisy | He has talked with Stefano, but there is no method provided in Transifex. | 01:16 |
| Daisy | I can forward the mail to the mail list. | 01:16 |
| Daisy | so that we can all know the status. | 01:16 |
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| Daisy | we are done with the action item. | 01:17 |
| Daisy | next topic | 01:17 |
| Daisy | #topic Progress with Japanese doc site | 01:17 |
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| Daisy | gabrielcw: Japanese team have finished the translation of Operation Guide . We want use it as the first PoT to run the translated document publish process. | 01:18 |
| gabrielcw | nice | 01:18 |
| Daisy | we are going to create docs.openstack.org/ja for Japanese documentation. | 01:18 |
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| Daisy | amotoki from Japanese team is working on the index. | 01:19 |
| Daisy | katomo is working on the scripts. | 01:19 |
| Daisy | katomo: I got your email, but I have no time to think carefully about it yet. Do you have anything to discuss here? | 01:19 |
| katomo | Yes | 01:20 |
| katomo | I made a script for Japanese. | 01:20 |
| katomo | But, I think it is necessary to make it a little more generic. | 01:20 |
| Daisy | I saw it. But surely we want it more common. Is it possible to accept the language code as parameter? | 01:21 |
| Daisy | I agree. | 01:21 |
| katomo | Yes | 01:21 |
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| katomo | I want to do so. | 01:21 |
| ujuc | I agree. | 01:21 |
| Daisy | My mail box is not response now. I'm not able to see your mail now. | 01:22 |
| katomo | sorry | 01:22 |
| Daisy | Where do you want to this script run? | 01:22 |
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| Daisy | where do you want this script to run? | 01:23 |
| Daisy | as a Jenkins job? | 01:23 |
| katomo | Yes, Jenkins job. | 01:23 |
| Daisy | ok. | 01:23 |
| Daisy | any other questions do you have? | 01:24 |
| katomo | No | 01:24 |
| Daisy | ok | 01:24 |
| Daisy | so we keep contact off line and take a look at your script together. | 01:24 |
| katomo | Daisy: thanks. | 01:25 |
| Daisy | #topic: Wiki page to track the translation jobs and progress | 01:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Wiki page to track the translation jobs and progress (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 01:25 | |
| Daisy | I think we have cover this topic just now. | 01:25 |
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| Daisy | Do you have anything to discuss under this topic? | 01:25 |
| Daisy | if no, we move on. | 01:26 |
| Daisy | #topic Meeting frequency and time | 01:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Meeting frequency and time (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 01:26 | |
| Daisy | actually, I feel weekly meeting is a little too frequent. | 01:26 |
| katomo | me too. | 01:27 |
| ujuc | me too. | 01:27 |
| Daisy | At the beginning, we use weekly meeting, because we want to use the alternative time slot . | 01:27 |
| Daisy | we have had 3 meetings now. | 01:27 |
| Daisy | I think, I didn't see any people from America and India. | 01:27 |
| gabrielcw | I won't be able to participate in the other time slot | 01:27 |
| Daisy | gabrielcw: what time is now for you? | 01:28 |
| gabrielcw | 22:28 | 01:28 |
| gabrielcw | the other one starts at 4:00 | 01:28 |
| Daisy | ok. | 01:28 |
| gabrielcw | UTC-3 is my timezone | 01:28 |
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| Daisy | The other time works for French people, but not works for you. | 01:29 |
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| Daisy | so we keep alternative time slot. | 01:29 |
| gabrielcw | ok, nice | 01:29 |
| Daisy | but we will slow down the frenquency to bi-weekly,. | 01:29 |
| ujuc | ok | 01:29 |
| Daisy | so to gabrielcw and French people, they will attend monthly. | 01:29 |
| katomo | I agree. | 01:30 |
| gabrielcw | ok | 01:30 |
| Daisy | to katomo and ujuc and me, we will attend bi-weekly. | 01:30 |
| Daisy | agree? | 01:30 |
| ujuc | I agree :) | 01:30 |
| Daisy | thank you, ujuc . | 01:30 |
| katomo | Yes :) | 01:30 |
| Daisy | so I will update the wiki page. | 01:30 |
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| Daisy | #topic Open discussion | 01:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 01:31 | |
| Daisy | any topic? | 01:31 |
| ujuc | um | 01:31 |
| ujuc | clouddoc-maven-plugins | 01:31 |
| Daisy | #action Daisy to update the wiki page to change the meeting frenquency. | 01:31 |
| gabrielcw | Daisy, I was looking at the API, I can help to check abou the translators info | 01:32 |
| ujuc | not korean.. | 01:32 |
| gabrielcw | I just need more details about what we need | 01:32 |
| gabrielcw | Transifex API btw | 01:32 |
| Daisy | what's your question, ujuc ? I didn't catch you. | 01:32 |
| ujuc | make pdf > no korean, print '###' | 01:32 |
| Daisy | gabrielcw: thanks. I will assign it to you. | 01:32 |
| gabrielcw | ok | 01:32 |
| Daisy | #action gabrielcw to take a look at Transifex API to see if it's able to get the translators information. | 01:33 |
| Daisy | ujuc: can you check with doc team about it ? I think it's a code problem. | 01:33 |
| Daisy | I think, you need to provide a font which can support Korean. | 01:33 |
| ujuc | ok | 01:34 |
| Daisy | I will let you know the people's mail address who own clouddoc-maven-plugins. | 01:34 |
| Daisy | I have this problem at the beginning. | 01:34 |
| Daisy | send to this people, and cc to our i18n mail list. Maybe you can get useful suggestion from our own team. | 01:34 |
| ujuc | ok :D | 01:35 |
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| Daisy | #action ujuc to follow up why Korean characters cannot be shown in the generated PDF. | 01:35 |
| Daisy | gabrielcw: I think you may want to take a look at this: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18n/Works#Tool_to_get_statistic_data_in_Transifex | 01:35 |
| Daisy | we want to get such information out of Transifex. | 01:35 |
| Daisy | That will help us to recognize our translators. | 01:36 |
| gabrielcw | OK | 01:36 |
| Daisy | so anything else to discuss? | 01:36 |
| gabrielcw | I saw that we can get the list for each project so far | 01:36 |
| gabrielcw | i will check the statistics | 01:36 |
| katomo | http://support.transifex.com/customer/portal/articles/1009525-language-api | 01:37 |
| Daisy | ok. I think I need how many strings each translator translates. | 01:37 |
| gabrielcw | I will check | 01:37 |
| Daisy | thanks ! | 01:37 |
| katomo | Administrator can use Transifex API for translators list. | 01:37 |
| gabrielcw | thanks | 01:37 |
| katomo | http://support.transifex.com/customer/portal/articles/1026125-statistics-api | 01:37 |
| Daisy | Administrator for each team, or for the whole project? | 01:38 |
| gabrielcw | I was looking here http://help.transifex.com/features/api/ | 01:38 |
| katomo | for translation stats. | 01:38 |
| Daisy | thanks, katomo . | 01:38 |
| Daisy | I think we need more detail about stats. | 01:38 |
| gabrielcw | thanks | 01:38 |
| Daisy | e.g. katomo translate 1000 strings. | 01:38 |
| Daisy | You should get people's big reconginzation if you have contributed so much. | 01:39 |
| katomo | I understand. | 01:39 |
| Daisy | good. | 01:39 |
| Daisy | so anything else? | 01:39 |
| Daisy | I think we have a short meeting today. | 01:39 |
| ujuc | yes | 01:39 |
| ujuc | :D kk | 01:39 |
| Daisy | ok. | 01:40 |
| Daisy | so can we close the meeting now? | 01:40 |
| katomo | ok. thanks all. | 01:40 |
| Daisy | The next meeting will be held the week after next, still on Thursday, 0700 UTC | 01:40 |
| ujuc | ok. Thanks all.. :D | 01:40 |
| Daisy | thank you all ! | 01:40 |
| gabrielcw | thanks you all | 01:41 |
| ujuc | lol~ | 01:41 |
| Daisy | Thank you for keep awake so late, gabrielcw ! | 01:41 |
| gabrielcw | no problem! | 01:41 |
| Daisy | We can keep touch through IRC and email. | 01:41 |
| Daisy | See you next week. | 01:41 |
| gabrielcw | still early | 01:41 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 01:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 18 01:41:36 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2013/openstack_i18n_meeting.2013-07-18-01.01.html | 01:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2013/openstack_i18n_meeting.2013-07-18-01.01.txt | 01:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2013/openstack_i18n_meeting.2013-07-18-01.01.log.html | 01:41 |
| Daisy | Have a good night, gabrielcw . Have a nice day, katomo and ujuc . | 01:42 |
| katomo | Have a nice Day. | 01:42 |
| ujuc | Have a good day.~ :D | 01:42 |
| katomo | bye | 01:43 |
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| gabrielcw | thank you, have a good day! | 01:44 |
| gabrielcw | Daisy | 01:44 |
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| Daisy | gabrielcw: what can I help? | 01:47 |
| Daisy | gabrielcw: you can use #openstack-translation to contact with the team. | 01:49 |
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| gabrielcw | Hi Daisy | 01:59 |
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| gabrielcw | RIght now I`m looking at the transifex API, doesn`t seem to be a way to get the user stats | 02:00 |
| gabrielcw | I will keep in touch | 02:01 |
| gabrielcw | I`ve been translating a lot lately | 02:01 |
| Daisy | thank you. | 02:01 |
| gabrielcw | you're welcome. I will find new translators too | 02:02 |
| gabrielcw | at HP | 02:03 |
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| terriyu | jd__: I'm not understanding the groupby blueprint ... | 15:49 |
| terriyu | jd__: it references some code I haven't seen before -- https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ceilometer/blueprints/api-group-by | 15:49 |
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| terriyu | oops wrong channel | 15:49 |
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| sdague | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 18 17:00:33 2013 UTC. The chair is sdague. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
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| sdague | hey folks, who's around for the meeting? | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | hi | 17:00 |
| afazekas | hi | 17:00 |
| mkoderer | Hi! | 17:00 |
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| sdague | also, if anyone cares, and has google hangouts working, I'm going to run my video camera open for the meeting - https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/4770be3e1806b15ec7aaf802806072fbfc5c4a64?hl=en | 17:01 |
| dkranz | hi | 17:01 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:01 |
| mkoderer | sdague: cool I will try it | 17:01 |
| sdague | ok, lets get agenda up | 17:01 |
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| sdague | agenda - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting | 17:02 |
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| sdague | ok, topic 1 Havana-2 status check in - https://launchpad.net/tempest/+milestone/havana-2 (sdague .. et al) | 17:03 |
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| sdague | so I'm going to have to push a bunch of stuff to H3 | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | so we need to either close those out or move them to H3? | 17:03 |
| sdague | yeh, I wanted to see if anything else made H2 before I do the mass change | 17:03 |
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| sdague | updates from folks? | 17:04 |
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| sdague | I guess while we are waiting for those, we'll do testr check in | 17:04 |
| sdague | mtreinish: you're up | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | ok sure | 17:04 |
| afazekas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35516/ I would like too have more ayes on this change, before adding everything else | 17:04 |
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| mtreinish | so we've got testr running tempest now as a non voting job on every check job in zuul | 17:05 |
| sdague | afazekas: ok, cool, will look after meeting | 17:05 |
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| sdague | #note testr non voting runs now in the check queue | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | results are looking promising tempest takes about ~15.5min in the gate | 17:05 |
| sdague | #info testr non voting runs now in the check queue | 17:05 |
| sdague | nice | 17:06 |
| sdague | very cool | 17:06 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: cool | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | right now we're hitting 4 failures with the jobs, I've outline them here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/debugging-testr-tempest | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | once we sort out these issues and the nonvoting jobs are stable enough we'll be able to migrate everything to using testr | 17:06 |
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| sdague | that will be awesome | 17:06 |
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| sdague | we still have the smoke test issue right, where smoke tests will run more than they should? | 17:07 |
| sdague | which is important for the neutron smoke job | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | so I'll appreciate any help with the debugging of those issues | 17:07 |
| sdague | any additional volunteers to help track down testr races? | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | sdague: so I think that can be sorted using subunit-filter | 17:07 |
| afazekas | I would like to help in tracing the issues | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: great | 17:08 |
| sdague | nice, mtreinish and mkoderer on the hangout now with me :) | 17:08 |
| sdague | afazekas: cool, that woudl be great | 17:08 |
| sdague | #action afazekas and mtreinish to work through testr issues to get that to be our primary runner in the gate | 17:08 |
| sdague | mtreinish: you should mute :) | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | also, I should note that there is an issue with the test count being reported with testr | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | sorry | 17:09 |
| sdague | mtreinish: cool, is there a bug up with testr on that? | 17:09 |
| afazekas | IMHO we should have more stress task and job combination in order to simplify , the everything racing with everything issue | 17:09 |
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| mtreinish | not yet, but soon I'm collecting some logs to give to lifeless. Then I'll report it. | 17:09 |
| sdague | afazekas: I suspect the testr races are actually tempest's fault | 17:10 |
| afazekas | and configure jobs for the suspected combinations | 17:10 |
| sdague | not the system | 17:10 |
| sdague | but I agree that the stress tests will shake out good things | 17:10 |
| sdague | ok, how about we talk about stress tests | 17:10 |
| sdague | good segway... mkoderer | 17:10 |
| afazekas | sdague: I hope it will be tempest failure, it is more easy to debug :) | 17:10 |
| mkoderer | ok great | 17:10 |
| sdague | afazekas: :) | 17:10 |
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| mkoderer | so let's have a short look to the open items | 17:10 |
| mkoderer | I think we can finish nearly everything next week... | 17:11 |
| sdague | awesome | 17:11 |
| mkoderer | open for me is the jenkins stuff | 17:11 |
| mkoderer | what is the current state here? | 17:11 |
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| mkoderer | I think there is already something running right? | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer: what jenkins stuff? we've got the periodic job working again after the json fix I pushed yesterday | 17:12 |
| sdague | mkoderer: which jenkins issue? | 17:12 |
| mkoderer | so we have those items open: | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer: https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/periodic-tempest-devstack-vm-stress/ | 17:12 |
| mkoderer | Create a json test description for a standard test to be run in a periodic jenkins job: INPROGRESS | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer: that's done | 17:12 |
| sdague | mtreinish: can you update the blueprint? | 17:12 |
| mkoderer | ok cool... so I hope we can finish it next week | 17:13 |
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| sdague | they've got a good whiteboard list of tasks in it | 17:13 |
| mkoderer | afazekas and me will add some new tests | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | sdague: sure, I'm really bad about dealing with blueprints... | 17:13 |
| sdague | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/stress-tests | 17:13 |
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| afazekas | https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/periodic-tempest-devstack-vm-stress/lastBuild/console | 17:13 |
| sdague | mtreinish: well I guess a scolding is in order :) | 17:13 |
| sdague | cool, dkranz on as well | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I often forget to link my commits to my own blueprints.... | 17:14 |
| sdague | ok, any other blueprints? | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | sdague: well, I added one for creating service tags... | 17:14 |
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| mtreinish | but that is pretty self explanatory | 17:14 |
| sdague | I'll move stuff to H3 tomorrow. I'm actually curious what happened to the HP folks that were adding tests, I haven't seen updates on their BPs for a while | 17:14 |
| sdague | mtreinish: great | 17:15 |
| sdague | ok, moving on from blueprints | 17:15 |
| Bageshree | sdague: we got approval from our internal process so HP will be doing checking in H3 mostly | 17:15 |
| sdague | #topic Mailing list move (voting on moving to -dev) (sdague) | 17:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mailing list move (voting on moving to -dev) (sdague) (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:15 | |
| sdague | ok, so we discussed this on the mailing list some already | 17:15 |
| sdague | but I wanted to open up for discussion, vote here. | 17:16 |
| sdague | my concern is that by having our own mailing list we end up in a funny 'qa corner', which doesn't include the main dev teams | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I'm fine with moving as long as there is a tag we agree on using for qa related topics | 17:16 |
| sdague | which I'd like to avoid, and be more integrated with the dev conversations | 17:16 |
| dkranz | sdague: I think anything that separates qa from dev should be eliminated | 17:16 |
| sdague | sure, my suggestion is going to be a [qa] tag | 17:16 |
| sdague | which would apply to tempest, grenade, or other related things | 17:17 |
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| sdague | given qa is the program name | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | sdague: that's fine, just wanted there to be convention (makes mail filtering easier :) | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | +1 | 17:17 |
| sdague | are there any descenting opinions? | 17:17 |
| Bageshree | +1 | 17:17 |
| mkoderer | +1 | 17:17 |
| dkranz | +1 | 17:17 |
| sdague | ok, wait, let me use the vote thing :) | 17:17 |
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| dkranz | sdague: smiles all around | 17:18 |
| mlavalle | +1 | 17:18 |
| sdague | #vote move mailing list traffic to openstack-dev list | 17:18 |
| sdague | hmm... maybe I don't know how to make that work :) | 17:18 |
| sdague | well we're +1s all around so far | 17:18 |
| sdague | any -1s? | 17:18 |
| sdague | ok.... we'll call that done deal then | 17:19 |
| sdague | I'll work with infra to get us sorted tomorrow. | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | sdague: #startvote | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ^^^ maybe you should read that as a meeting chair | 17:20 |
| sdague | #startvote move mailing list traffic to openstack-dev? Yes, No | 17:20 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: move mailing list traffic to openstack-dev? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 17:20 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 17:20 |
| sdague | #vote Yes | 17:20 |
| mtreinish | #vote Yes | 17:20 |
| dkranz | #vote Yes | 17:20 |
| Bageshree | #vote Yes | 17:20 |
| mlavalle | #vote Yes | 17:20 |
| afazekas | #vote Yes | 17:20 |
| sdague | mtreinish: yes, probably... :) | 17:20 |
| mkoderer | #vote Yes | 17:20 |
| krtaylor | #vote Yes | 17:21 |
| sdague | ok, last chance to voice... | 17:21 |
| dansmith | #vote you guys are just lonely | 17:21 |
| openstack | dansmith: you guys are just lonely is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No. | 17:21 |
| dansmith | oh, damn. | 17:21 |
| sdague | heh :) | 17:21 |
| sdague | #endvote | 17:21 |
| openstack | Voted on "move mailing list traffic to openstack-dev?" Results are | 17:21 |
| openstack | Yes (8): krtaylor, mlavalle, mtreinish, dkranz, afazekas, sdague, Bageshree, mkoderer | 17:21 |
| sdague | ok | 17:21 |
| sdague | #agreed moving mailing list traffic to openstack-dev with [qa] tag | 17:22 |
| sdague | #action sdague to work with infra to implement | 17:22 |
| sdague | ok, thanks mtreinish for the assist | 17:22 |
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| sdague | next topc | 17:22 |
| sdague | #topic White Box Tests | 17:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "White Box Tests (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:22 | |
| sdague | I don't know who listed this on the agenda, can they step forward? | 17:22 |
| sdague | also, reminder, if you have working google hangout, dkranz, mkoderer, mtreinish, and I are at - https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/4770be3e1806b15ec7aaf802806072fbfc5c4a64?hl=en all muted, but you can see video | 17:23 |
| dkranz | sdague: I put it there but I think it was on behalf of afazekas | 17:23 |
| sdague | ok, afazekas you want to speak to it? | 17:23 |
| afazekas | So my question about the whitebox test, do we really want to direct DB updates by tempest ? | 17:23 |
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| mtreinish | afazekas: I'd say no, but I thought that there was more in whitebox than just that | 17:24 |
| sdague | afazekas: that's a good question | 17:24 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: mostly state transition matrix | 17:24 |
| sdague | afazekas: if we are sure that we can cover that content back in unit tests, I'd be happy to get it out of there | 17:24 |
| sdague | I think jaypipes brought that in to handle some bugs we weren't having any luck in in unit test tracking down | 17:24 |
| sdague | especially in nova state transitions | 17:25 |
| sdague | but we aren't actually running them right now | 17:25 |
| afazekas | sdague: IMHO some parts are even better can be covered by stress tests | 17:25 |
| sdague | right? | 17:25 |
| sdague | afazekas: that's true | 17:25 |
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| sdague | if we can cover them other places, I'm totally good with removing them | 17:25 |
| dkranz | sdague: I think there is a place for whitebox tests but the ones that cannot be covered otherwise are pretty low priority now. | 17:25 |
| sdague | yeh, what I'd say right now is they aren't a focus, if someone wants to clean them up, or to drop them because we've got it covered else where, I'd +2 it | 17:26 |
| dkranz | sdague: We could just scrutinize new submissions more closely to make sure they really need to be whitebox | 17:26 |
| afazekas | Another related question, do we want to test state transition impossibilities (negative) by tempest (stable states, so expected to be gate friendly) | 17:26 |
| dkranz | sdague: If there are any | 17:26 |
| sdague | yeh, I don't think we've had that many new submissions there | 17:26 |
| sdague | afazekas: if we think it will expose a bug, sure | 17:27 |
| afazekas | ok | 17:27 |
| sdague | anything else on white box tests? | 17:27 |
| afazekas | I saw skip removal review | 17:28 |
| sdague | well even so, whitebox aren't in full | 17:28 |
| sdague | so a skip removal doesn't do anything | 17:28 |
| sdague | except for mtreinish's all periodic run | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I didn't set that up... | 17:29 |
| sdague | ok, so for the all periodic (not mtreinish's) :) | 17:29 |
| sdague | ok, anything else on white box? | 17:29 |
| sdague | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Critical Reviews (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:30 | |
| afazekas | Ok so someone secretly not restored the state matrix to the old one | 17:30 |
| sdague | afazekas: ok, is that something we need to fix? | 17:30 |
| afazekas | I do not think so | 17:30 |
| sdague | also, critical reviews time, pimp your reviews that you need landed | 17:30 |
| sdague | or that someone should look at | 17:30 |
| afazekas | But someone at the nova side should confirm it | 17:31 |
| dkranz | sdague: We need to deal with the slow heat issue. | 17:31 |
| dkranz | sdague: It is not really waiting for code review | 17:31 |
| sdague | dkranz: well, my current strategy is testr | 17:31 |
| dkranz | sdague: But we have no way to run it now. | 17:31 |
| sdague | because the tempest runs dropped a lot with that | 17:31 |
| dkranz | sdague: OK, we can push the limits of that | 17:31 |
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| sdague | dkranz: agreed, and if we do, we split the heat case off | 17:32 |
| dkranz | sdague: sbaker said there were more slow tests coming | 17:32 |
| dkranz | sdague: I think he is just waiting for a way to run them. | 17:32 |
| sdague | ok, I guess those guys are all asleep right now, right? | 17:32 |
| dkranz | sdague: Yeah. | 17:32 |
| sdague | dkranz: ok, how about we come back to this after running on reviews | 17:32 |
| dkranz | sdague: Sure | 17:33 |
| sdague | just so that we don't prevent people from posting reviews they need eyes on, then I'll #topic it | 17:33 |
| sdague | ok, any more reviews? | 17:33 |
| sdague | or any reviews (I | 17:33 |
| afazekas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33211/ | 17:33 |
| dkranz | sdague: A lot just need +A | 17:33 |
| sdague | afazekas: did we figure out why that went non votable? | 17:34 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: I'll make an effort to do some real reviews today. I've been bad about that this week. | 17:34 |
| sdague | dkranz: sure, but if there were specific reviews that are hot that we need eyes on, this is a good time to bring them up | 17:34 |
| sdague | basically a hot reviews time | 17:34 |
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| afazekas | sdague: I think every review is important for someone | 17:35 |
| sdague | also, remember, even if you aren't qa-core we could use review comments | 17:35 |
| dkranz | sdague: I think just afazekas leak stuff which was already mentioned | 17:35 |
| sdague | afazekas: true, but not all of them have the same impact on the project | 17:35 |
| dkranz | Of course we should try to review as rapidly as we can. | 17:35 |
| sdague | yep | 17:35 |
| afazekas | sdague: the core reviewers main duty to review , AFAIK | 17:36 |
| mkoderer | I will need this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36820/ for the blueprint | 17:36 |
| dkranz | There must be some gerrit bug with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33211/ | 17:36 |
| mkoderer | but dkranz found something so... I need to fix it first... ;) | 17:36 |
| sdague | ok, cool, got it up in my window | 17:36 |
| sdague | dkranz: could andreaf have made it a draft? | 17:37 |
| dkranz | sdague: I don't know. It doesn't look any different except for can't review | 17:37 |
| sdague | #action sdague to take https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33211/ to -infra to figure out why we can't vote on it | 17:37 |
| sdague | because I think it was +2 all around | 17:37 |
| dkranz | sdague: Right. | 17:38 |
| sdague | ok, any other reviews? | 17:38 |
| sdague | going once.... | 17:38 |
| sdague | going twice.... | 17:38 |
| sdague | ok, moving on | 17:38 |
| sdague | #topic Heat tests in gate | 17:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Heat tests in gate (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:38 | |
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| dkranz | sdague: Even if we make a separate job, it could still take too long. | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: so how slow is slow for these tests? | 17:39 |
| sdague | dkranz: any idea from sbaker how long running they think the heat tests are going to be? | 17:39 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: well they are going to use real OS images, not cirros | 17:39 |
| dkranz | The one there is supposed to be 10min | 17:39 |
| dkranz | I think we need to make a separate job and give it a budget. | 17:39 |
| sdague | dkranz: ok, I'm fine with that | 17:40 |
| sdague | you want to take making that job? | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah if 1 test is 10min that's probably all we can do. | 17:40 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I can do that but won't get to it until Monday because I am out tomorrow. | 17:40 |
| sdague | sure, that's fine | 17:40 |
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| sdague | I think, given their length, I'd like to start them on testr | 17:41 |
| sdague | even if that means they start non voting | 17:41 |
| sdague | assuming that's going to help with their overall run | 17:41 |
| dkranz | sdague: We can not mark it as gate and then run the heat tests in the other job. | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | sdague: well it's going to be just the heat jobs right? | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | sorry heat tests in the heat job. | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | not everything + heat | 17:41 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Right | 17:41 |
| sdague | mtreinish: right | 17:42 |
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| sdague | we're going to need to separate heat from the rest of api | 17:42 |
| dkranz | sdague: Why? | 17:42 |
| sdague | well... conceptually | 17:42 |
| dkranz | sdague: Sure. | 17:42 |
| sdague | because the main runs are going to be api - heat | 17:42 |
| sdague | can we do that sanely in testr? | 17:43 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: otherwise they'll get picked up when we tell testr/nose to run tests in tempest.api | 17:43 |
| sdague | without having to list a million subdirs? | 17:43 |
| dkranz | sdague: But if heat is not marked gate it won't run in the main ijob. | 17:43 |
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| dkranz | and the heat job can just select heat | 17:43 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I'll prioritize figuring out how to run subunit-filter with our env | 17:43 |
| sdague | I'm not convinced we actually got that tag working in the gate | 17:43 |
| afazekas | sdague: the autoscaling (scenario?) is the only slow heat test | 17:43 |
| sdague | actually the service tag bits would solve this | 17:43 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: But if it is not gte it won't run | 17:43 |
| sdague | afazekas: ok, so there will be heat tests that don't do that? | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: we run tempest.api tempest.scenario tempest.cli and tempest.thirdparty in the gate | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | we don't use the tag | 17:44 |
| sdague | so maybe the right thing to do is put the autoscaling tests outside of api | 17:44 |
| afazekas | sdague: the existing ones are ok IMHO | 17:44 |
| sdague | afazekas: ok, cool | 17:44 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Oh. So why do we have it if we are not using it? | 17:44 |
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| sdague | dkranz: because it got only partially implemented | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: no idea I just know what's being run now | 17:44 |
| dkranz | We really need to decide if we are using that or not. | 17:45 |
| dkranz | It's silly to have it and not use it. | 17:45 |
| sdague | dkranz: agreed, lets solve the heat thing first | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | well, it is a pain to individually tag 1063 tests... | 17:45 |
| sdague | well, a lot of it was about dealing with testr | 17:45 |
| dkranz | sdague: OK | 17:45 |
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| mtreinish | but who was doing that work | 17:45 |
| sdague | because we had no idea if that was going to work in time | 17:45 |
| sdague | but now that it's close we can probably do a purge of the gate tag once it lands | 17:46 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: A bunch of stuff with 'smoke' was submitted. I thought it was all but I guess not. | 17:46 |
| sdague | ok, anyway, the heat autoscale tests | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I'll clear out gate when I start working on the service tags | 17:46 |
| sdague | what if we put that in as a scenario test, use the heatclient for those | 17:46 |
| dkranz | Can't we exclude the heat directory with testr? | 17:46 |
| sdague | dkranz: well afazekas just said that a lot of the heat tests are fine in api | 17:47 |
| sdague | and not super long running | 17:47 |
| sdague | just the autoscaling bits | 17:47 |
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| sdague | which feels like a scenario test to me anyway | 17:47 |
| mtreinish | if there are heat api tests in there now they're being run | 17:47 |
| sdague | yes, there are a couple | 17:47 |
| sdague | but I'd like to keep their simple api testing in the main runs | 17:47 |
| dkranz | sdague: OK, so let's make it scenario. | 17:48 |
| sdague | as that means it gets tested on other dbs, with neutron, etc. | 17:48 |
| sdague | and only push autoscale seperate | 17:48 |
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| sdague | cool | 17:48 |
| dkranz | We still need to keep it out of the main run. | 17:48 |
| sdague | yep | 17:48 |
| dkranz | We could just mark it slow | 17:48 |
| sdague | but we'll figure out a tag to exclude on for that | 17:49 |
| dkranz | and skip those in the main run | 17:49 |
| sdague | sure, or something, lets work that out later. | 17:49 |
| sdague | you want to communicate with sbaker about the approach? | 17:49 |
| dkranz | sdague: OK | 17:49 |
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| sdague | #info have the heat team submit the autoscaling tests as scenario tests to make it easy to give them their own time budget | 17:50 |
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| sdague | #action dkranz to work with sbaker to get any other details sorted out | 17:50 |
| sdague | cool | 17:51 |
| sdague | ok | 17:51 |
| dkranz | I had one more issue I should have put on the agenda | 17:51 |
| sdague | #topic Open Discussion | 17:51 |
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| sdague | ok, any other topics | 17:51 |
| sdague | 9 minutes left :) | 17:51 |
| dkranz | testing and stability of python clients | 17:51 |
| afazekas | Adding test cases with skip attribute | 17:52 |
| dkranz | people have started talking about this as if it were true but we don't test it at all | 17:52 |
| sdague | go ahead | 17:52 |
| sdague | dkranz: who talked about it? | 17:52 |
| dkranz | That is, using a new client library will work with older versions | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: don't we shouldn't add a test case unless there is a way to run it in ci | 17:52 |
| sdague | maybe that's just education | 17:52 |
| sdague | dkranz: right, I think there is a missing kind of test run | 17:52 |
| sdague | which is new clients on stable release | 17:53 |
| dkranz | sdague: The context was with uncapping versions of client libs | 17:53 |
| sdague | dkranz: right | 17:53 |
| dkranz | sdague: It was agreed that uncapping was good because it was "not needed" | 17:53 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: I have no idea how many test case can be lost in somewhere in the history and now, they should be able to run.. | 17:53 |
| sdague | dkranz well actually it was agreed that it was good, because otherwise we release broken clients | 17:53 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I sent an email to the list about this a few days ago. | 17:54 |
| sdague | which happened with keystone | 17:54 |
| Bageshree | a last q: have we started putting together etherpad for tempest/testr or any framework topic to be discussed in summit? | 17:54 |
| dkranz | sdague: I agree with the principle, but we don't test it at all | 17:54 |
| sdague | dkranz: not directly | 17:54 |
| sdague | but we do in the interactions | 17:54 |
| sdague | because nova uses keystone client | 17:54 |
| dkranz | sdague: Yes, that gives us some coverage | 17:54 |
| sdague | and glance client, cinder, neutron client | 17:54 |
| sdague | under the covers | 17:54 |
| sdague | that was what we got ourselves in trouble with, as we weren't testing their git trees | 17:55 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: we have the skip tracker tool to see if bugs are fixed but it's not perfect | 17:55 |
| dkranz | But it does not test that a client still runs against a previous release that has the same api version | 17:55 |
| sdague | dkranz: correct | 17:55 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: I'm sure there are skips we can remove in there now, but we don't want to add things with skips | 17:55 |
| sdague | and for that I think we need a new stable bitrot job | 17:55 |
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| dkranz | sdague: We would need to run old stable branch scenario tests with current clients | 17:55 |
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| sdague | right, exactly | 17:55 |
| sdague | anyone want to volunteer to get that spun up? | 17:55 |
| sdague | it should be reasonably simple | 17:55 |
| dkranz | sdague: That will be hard going back becaues the scenario tests are not many | 17:56 |
| dkranz | But should get better in time | 17:56 |
| sdague | dkranz: actually, api does a lot of testing indirectly | 17:56 |
| sdague | because of the integration points | 17:56 |
| dkranz | sdague: No, api does not use client libs | 17:56 |
| sdague | dkranz: not directly | 17:56 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: it doesn between the services | 17:56 |
| mtreinish | for example nova uses glanceclient to make images calls | 17:57 |
| sdague | but compute/volumes tests us cinderclient for nova => cinder comms | 17:57 |
| sdague | right, exactly | 17:57 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Yes, you're right | 17:57 |
| sdague | so it won't catch everything, for sure | 17:57 |
| dkranz | I will create a blue print for this. | 17:57 |
| sdague | but it will expose totally broken things | 17:57 |
| sdague | and should help | 17:57 |
| sdague | dkranz: great | 17:57 |
| sdague | #action dkranz to create blueprint for doing stable tests with upstream git clients | 17:58 |
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| sdague | ok, anything in the last minute? | 17:58 |
| Bageshree | repeating my q again but have we started putting together etherpad for tempest/testr or any framework topic to be discussed in summit? | 17:58 |
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| sdague | I've got a hard stop | 17:58 |
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| dkranz | Bageshree: Not yet. | 17:58 |
| sdague | Bageshree: not really, it's just what's in the code | 17:58 |
| Bageshree | thanks | 17:58 |
| sdague | ok, well I've got to run, so I'll close out the meeting, please continue the conversation in #openstack-qa | 17:59 |
| sdague | thanks all for comming | 17:59 |
| sdague | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 18 17:59:23 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-07-18-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-07-18-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-07-18-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 18 18:00:18 2013 UTC. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | good morning / afternoon / evening everyone | 18:00 |
| thomasbiege | hi | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | who do we have for the security meeting today? | 18:00 |
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| thomasbiege | me, first time | 18:01 |
| rellerreller | Nate - APL | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | welcome thomasbiege | 18:01 |
| joel-coffman | Joel from APL | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | APL is here in force :-) | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | #topic Previous Action Items | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Previous Action Items (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 18:02 | |
| hyakuhei | Morning all. | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | So last week we had a few things that people were going to work on | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | those people aren't here atm | 18:02 |
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| bdpayne | but I did have one | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | I was supposed to work on taking action on the security issues identified in the book sprint | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | unfortunately, my report is that I have not yet done that | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | so I'll push it back to next week | 18:03 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: I can do that tomorrow | 18:03 |
| thomasbiege | bdpayne: is there already a list of security issues? | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | hyakuhei that would be amazing, thanks! | 18:04 |
| hyakuhei | There are some gaps/bugs/wishes that were identified during the booksprint | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | hyakuhei note that I passed the list off to joel-coffman too, perhaps he could help | 18:04 |
| hyakuhei | ok cool, I'll reach out | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | thomasbiege this is a list that came out of the recent book sprint effort | 18:04 |
| hyakuhei | some stuff is bugs, and needs bug reports, others need blueprints... | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | just random things that the book authors wanted to see addressed | 18:05 |
| joel-coffman | hyakuhei: yep, I converted bdpayne's picture of the whiteboard into text earlier today | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | I've held the list somewhat close b/c there may be embargoed issued on there… once hyakihei flushes that out we can make the rest public | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | s/hyakihei/hyakuhei/ | 18:06 |
| thomasbiege | bdpayne: ok. if the list is long we could split it of course | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | not too long, I think hyakuhei and joel-coffman can handle that one | 18:06 |
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| thomasbiege | ok | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | #action joel-coffman and hyakuhei to work on security issues from book sprint | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | #topic Book Update | 18:07 |
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| bdpayne | The HTML and PDF versions of the book are now available http://docs.openstack.org/sec/ | 18:07 |
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| bdpayne | You can also purchase the book from Lulu | 18:07 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah, teh PDF is looking good. I've printed that off and have a bunch of on-paper edits. | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | details, links, etc on the page ref'd above | 18:07 |
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| thomasbiege | nice | 18:07 |
| AndroUser | Hi, joining a bit late, sorry | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | hi! | 18:08 |
| hyakuhei | Do we create bugs for things we're going to change ourselves or can we branch,fix,commit and review? | 18:08 |
| thomasbiege | the security guide is a big step ahead for openstack security | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | One great area for contributions is to help improve the book | 18:08 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | We have a good starting place, but there lots of room for additional content, editing, etc. | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | The book is in github, and PR's are welcome! https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/master/doc/src/docbkx/openstack-security | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | any other thoughts / questions on the book? | 18:09 |
| thomasbiege | on my todo list is reviewing the book and applying the mentioned steps to SUSE Cloud as far as possible | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | excellent | 18:09 |
| thomasbiege | maybe some things will pop up then | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | sure, makes sense | 18:10 |
| hyakuhei | The language in the etworking section needs some helping along, I'm hoping to find some time for that tomorrow too. | 18:10 |
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| bdpayne | yeah, there's plenty of edits that would be useful | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | perhaps just submit PR's one chapter at a time | 18:11 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah that makes sense | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | #topic Reviewing open security issues | 18:11 |
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| bdpayne | How's the volume encryption reviews coming along? | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | Getting the feedback you guys need? | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | Specifically asking rellerreller and joel-coffman here | 18:12 |
| rellerreller | We had the key manager interface approved today. | 18:12 |
| rellerreller | Sorry, I thought I would let Joel share the good news | 18:12 |
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| bdpayne | ah, nice! | 18:13 |
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| bdpayne | any other pieces that you guys still need eyes on? | 18:13 |
| rellerreller | Yes, we still have two more commits yet | 18:13 |
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| bdpayne | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30974/ | 18:14 |
| rellerreller | Any reviews on those would be helpful | 18:14 |
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| bdpayne | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30976/ | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | Looks like those are the places still open | 18:14 |
| joel-coffman | Sorry, my computer thought it was a good time to starting thrashing | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | np | 18:14 |
| rellerreller | Thanks for posting the links. | 18:15 |
| joel-coffman | Both of those reviews are still marked work in progress as we finish some plumbing issues between them | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | anything to add joel-coffman? | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | oh, that's good to know | 18:15 |
| joel-coffman | however, the vast majority of the code is finished | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | looks like the reviews are generally positive at this time | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | which is great, of course | 18:15 |
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| bdpayne | I also wanted to mention https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33532/ | 18:16 |
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| bdpayne | this is related to masking the keystone tokens in the log feeds | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | for some reason, this has become contriversial | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | probably worth having some security eyes on it | 18:17 |
| rellerreller | Why is that controversial? | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | although, both hyakuhei and myself have already commented | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | rellerreller see the comment on that review from McCabe at 6:12a | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | and then my reply ;-) | 18:18 |
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| bdpayne | any other security reviews we should be mindful of right now? | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | of course, please do track the mailing list for notifications of other security reviews | 18:19 |
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| bdpayne | #topic Open Discussion | 18:20 |
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| bdpayne | What else would people like to discuss today? | 18:20 |
| thomasbiege | is there automatic testing and/or code scanning planned for the code? | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | there's a lot of automatic testing that happens | 18:20 |
| thomasbiege | security-wise? | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | are you talking general testing or security specific testing? | 18:20 |
| thomasbiege | security testing | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | ahh | 18:21 |
| thomasbiege | :) | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | nothing that I'm aware of, but this would be a great area for us to work on | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | is that something you could help with? | 18:21 |
| ewindisch_ | bdpayne: at the book sprint we identified that there might be some benefit to having some eyes on the live-migration code... | 18:21 |
| thomasbiege | we currently try to use autom. sec. testing of the web-ui | 18:21 |
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| thomasbiege | if it will ever be done I will post it here | 18:22 |
| ewindisch_ | bdpayne: I might like to add the 'evacuate' feature to that, perhaps out of ignorance -- I'm not sure what it does, and it scares me a bit | 18:22 |
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| thomasbiege | only a bit related to openstack is crowbar, which is scanned now by brakeman, http://ci.opensuse.org/view/Crowbar/job/crowbar-pebbles-travis_ci-trackupstream/ | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | ewindisch_ ok… perhaps hyakuhei and/or joel-coffman can include those items in the other things they are reviewing from the book sprint | 18:23 |
| ewindisch_ | also, I looked at the keystone token expiration issue and I've determined it is NOT possible for users to set arbitrary token expirations as I had suspected | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | thomasbiege I would really love to see more automated security centric testing in place | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | thomasbiege perhaps as a first step, you could help us document the current state of affairs and some potential goals? | 18:24 |
| thomasbiege | bdpayne: we currently try to hammer a OWASP test-suite into jenkins too... let's see | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | ewindisch_ good to know Re keystone tokens | 18:24 |
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| bdpayne | thomasbiege would you be willing to help with that? | 18:26 |
| thomasbiege | bdpayne: state of affairs and goals for my company? here in the chat? | 18:26 |
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| bdpayne | sorry, I meant state of affairs for openstack in general with automated security testing | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | for example, gating on commits and such | 18:27 |
| thomasbiege | bdpayne: Yes I am willing to help you of course. I can write up something. | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | great, thanks | 18:28 |
| thomasbiege | you are welcome | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | #action thomasbiege to writeup information on the current state of security testing in openstack and make some suggestions for how we can improve | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | ok, anything else for today? | 18:28 |
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| bdpayne | ok, thanks everyone… | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | see you next week! | 18:29 |
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| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:29 |
| thomasbiege | see you! | 18:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 18 18:29:43 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:29 |
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| jlucci | Hey all - anyone here today for the taskflow meeting? | 20:00 |
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| kebray | o/ | 20:01 |
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| changbl | hello guys | 20:02 |
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| kebray | jlucci you using meetbot? | 20:03 |
| jlucci | #startmeeting taskflow | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 18 20:03:08 2013 UTC. The chair is jlucci. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taskflow' | 20:03 |
| jlucci | Yeah - sorry bout that. Just wanted to make sure we had people here first. (: | 20:03 |
| jlucci | So, first time running this - not entirely sure where to start here | 20:03 |
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| jlucci | I guess we can start with stuff that's been going on this past week? | 20:04 |
| kebray | #topic rollcall | 20:04 |
| kebray | role I suppose | 20:04 |
| jlucci | haha | 20:04 |
| kebray | I never could spell. | 20:04 |
| jlucci | The meeting would be more exciting with bread people anyway. :P | 20:04 |
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| jlucci | I'm going to go ahead and assume we're the only three here - so let's go ahead and jump into what everyone's been working on | 20:06 |
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| jlucci | So, I know Kevin had finished up some database persistence stuff - just waiting on a review from harlowja | 20:06 |
| jlucci | As for me, I've still been in distributed land. I fixed the issue with celery notifications not firing off correctly (the thing we talked about yesterday kebray) | 20:07 |
| jlucci | So, as of now, I'm just fixing up little bugs here and there | 20:08 |
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| jlucci | Going to write more robust test cases and hopefully be done with that in the very near future | 20:08 |
| jlucci | kebray, changbl - any updates? | 20:09 |
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| kebray | jlucci You think it'll be ready for others to starting giving it a whirl? e.g. would you want distributed included in a formal build when harlowja makes one? | 20:09 |
| changbl | I have been looking through the code, trying to catch up with you. Tons of work here after Yun Mao left, slow progress here | 20:10 |
| jlucci | I want to say yes - but I don't think I have enough test cases yet to assure that it's 100% bug proof | 20:10 |
| kebray | progress: I submitted TaskFlow talk for the summit: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TaskFlow/HavanaSummitPresentationAbstract | 20:10 |
| jlucci | np changbl | 20:10 |
| jlucci | harlowja codes very fast. haha | 20:10 |
| changbl | :) | 20:10 |
| jlucci | And awesome kebray! | 20:10 |
| jlucci | Good stuff going on there | 20:11 |
| jlucci | Oh, and I know Josh submitted another patch for the multi-threaded flow today as well | 20:11 |
| jlucci | #topic release date | 20:12 |
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| jlucci | So the next topic on the agenda was the release of taskflow | 20:13 |
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| jlucci | Regarding the when/how | 20:13 |
| jlucci | I think last time we had sort of settled on doing a release oslo copy-paste style and then moving onto pypi once we had a more stable api | 20:13 |
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| jlucci | So, as far as I know that's still the plan. As far as an initial release date, does anyone have any strong suggestions? | 20:14 |
| changbl | the plan sounds good | 20:14 |
| jlucci | :D | 20:15 |
| changbl | do we plan to integrate taskflow into havana release? | 20:15 |
| kebray | changbl I don't think it's up to us. | 20:15 |
| kebray | It's up to the individual projects. | 20:15 |
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| kebray | e.g. Cinder will integrate it as a library dependency. | 20:15 |
| kebray | For their release for Havana. | 20:16 |
| jlucci | We definitely want to have a good-candidate release out before havana 3 however | 20:16 |
| kebray | We need at least two openstack projects to take dependencies on TaskFlow before Oslo says they will accept us. | 20:16 |
| changbl | I see, so Cinder is one, is there others? | 20:17 |
| jlucci | Yes - harlowja is working on nova | 20:17 |
| kebray | harlowja is working on Nova. | 20:17 |
| changbl | cool | 20:17 |
| kebray | Trove may at some point pull it in.. they are interested. | 20:17 |
| jlucci | We have a lot of interest in heat as well, but that probably won't be for a while | 20:17 |
| jlucci | they have a lot on their plate right now | 20:18 |
| changbl | i see, thanks for the update:) | 20:18 |
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| kebray | And, my goals are to get TaskFlow to where I want it for Heat.. but, Heat integration is definitely not even an option until post Havana. | 20:18 |
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| jlucci | Yeah, we've gotten some core members to start looking at the project, so that's definitely a good step forward | 20:18 |
| kebray | There are alternatives available today in Heat… which, are currently sufficient… the path to mass scalability is a bit unclear, as are feature richness.. such as pause, retry, resume, revert, etc. for tasks. | 20:19 |
| kebray | TaskFlow solves these problems. | 20:19 |
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| kebray | So, I'm hopeful the Heat community will see the value and adopt TaskFlow… but, there is existing code that is evolving in Heat as well, so timing is uncertain of when/if it makes sense to pull in TaskFlow for Heat. | 20:19 |
| jlucci | yupyup | 20:21 |
| changbl | Do we have some ultimate goal of taskflow? become part of Heat? or Oslo? | 20:21 |
| jlucci | We would eventually like to become part of oslo | 20:22 |
| jlucci | Which is why we're initially trying to get cinder to adopt our usage | 20:22 |
| jlucci | We need to be in two existent projects to be considered for oslo | 20:22 |
| kebray | Then TaskFlow will become the base library for Convection. | 20:23 |
| jlucci | er two existing projects * | 20:23 |
| kebray | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Convection | 20:23 |
| changbl | ok | 20:23 |
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| jlucci | So, I really don't have anything else on the agenda right now. Everything is pretty much locked down. We're just getting to the point where we want to cut a release. | 20:25 |
| jlucci | Which is good news. (: | 20:25 |
| changbl | yeah~ | 20:25 |
| jlucci | So, I guess at this point I shall open up the floor to any additional queries / thoughts. | 20:25 |
| kebray | nothing from me today. | 20:26 |
| changbl | same here | 20:26 |
| jlucci | Awesome. haha | 20:26 |
| jlucci | Whelp. Thanks all for coming then! | 20:26 |
| jlucci | #endmeeting | 20:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 18 20:26:40 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taskflow/2013/taskflow.2013-07-18-20.03.html | 20:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taskflow/2013/taskflow.2013-07-18-20.03.txt | 20:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taskflow/2013/taskflow.2013-07-18-20.03.log.html | 20:26 |
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| dansmith | russellb: meeting time? | 21:01 |
| russellb | yep! | 21:01 |
| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 18 21:01:20 2013 UTC. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:01 |
| russellb | hello, everyone! | 21:01 |
| hemna | hello | 21:01 |
| dansmith | yo | 21:01 |
| cyeoh | hi | 21:01 |
| hartsocks | \o/ | 21:01 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:01 |
| jog0 | o/ | 21:01 |
| alaski | o/ | 21:01 |
| russellb | #topic havana-2 and havana-3 | 21:01 |
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| russellb | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:02 |
| russellb | we released havana-2 ! \o/ | 21:02 |
| hemna | :) | 21:02 |
| russellb | 25 blueprints implemented | 21:02 |
| russellb | 201 bugs fixed | 21:02 |
| mikal | heya | 21:02 |
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| russellb | for reference, 16 blueprints and 214 bugs for havana-1 | 21:02 |
| russellb | so a pretty similar velocity | 21:02 |
| russellb | but now comes the "fun" part ... havana-3 needs a reality check | 21:03 |
| russellb | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:03 |
| russellb | we have 100 blueprints targeted for havana-3 | 21:03 |
| dansmith | ouch, the one essential at the top seems the farthest from reality | 21:03 |
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| russellb | yeah. | 21:03 |
| russellb | so, we need to start aggressively combing through this and moving stuff that won't make it to the "next" milestone | 21:04 |
| jog0 | deprecate nova-network I can't see that happening | 21:04 |
| russellb | even if half of this was finished, there's no way we have the review bandwidth for this much | 21:04 |
| russellb | on a related note ... | 21:04 |
| russellb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-April/007823.html | 21:04 |
| russellb | back at the beginning of the cycle, we discussed a deadline for proposing code to even have a chance of going in ... 2 weeks in advance of the feature freeze | 21:05 |
| russellb | still seem reasonable to everyone? | 21:05 |
| cburgess | yes | 21:05 |
| geekinutah | seems reasonable given the amount of review that will need to be done | 21:05 |
| mikal | Agreed | 21:05 |
| dansmith | at least two weeks, but yeah | 21:05 |
| devananda | ++ | 21:06 |
| cyeoh | yes | 21:06 |
| russellb | #agreed we will still be enforcing a proposal deadline of at least 2 weeks before feature freeze. http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-April/007823.html | 21:06 |
| russellb | cool. | 21:06 |
| jog0 | ++ | 21:06 |
| alaski | +1 | 21:06 |
| russellb | so ... please look over these blueprints and update ones that are yours | 21:06 |
| russellb | any particular ones we should talk about? | 21:06 |
| dansmith | I think we can keep compute-api-objects for h3, but move the parent out to -next | 21:06 |
| russellb | re: nova-network ... vishy: are we at the point where we should just punt deprecating nova-network to Icehouse? | 21:06 |
| russellb | dansmith: ok, you should have permissions to update all blueprints | 21:07 |
| dansmith | yep, will do | 21:07 |
| hemna | I'm not sure if I'm too late for a new BP or not, but I just created a new one that I'd like to work on for H3 | 21:07 |
| russellb | hemna: which | 21:07 |
| vishy | russellb: i think so | 21:07 |
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| hemna | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/refactor-iscsi-fc-brick | 21:07 |
| cyeoh | what state do I set a BP that is longed required? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/v3-multi-status-support | 21:07 |
| devananda | there's several db-related ones. is the priority of them reasonable? | 21:07 |
| russellb | vishy: ok, that's what i figured, i'll move it now | 21:07 |
| dansmith | russellb: I got it | 21:07 |
| jog0 | how is the Direct MYSQLdb impl coming? | 21:08 |
| devananda | direct mysql-db, db slave reads, and then several bp's that improve db test coverage, test on multiple backends, etc | 21:08 |
| russellb | cyeoh: good question ... i suppose we untarget from havana and then change the definition to obsolete | 21:08 |
| cyeoh | russellb: ok, thx | 21:08 |
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| dansmith | got that one | 21:09 |
| russellb | regarding priority ... Essential means we *can't* release without it | 21:09 |
| russellb | High is we *really* want to have it | 21:09 |
| russellb | Medium is we'd like it, and are still tracking it weekly for release status | 21:10 |
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| russellb | Low is effectively on the list, but not tracked by release management | 21:10 |
| russellb | joearnold: regarding direct mysql, that's comstud, and i think he's out | 21:10 |
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| russellb | err, jog0 ^ | 21:10 |
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| russellb | jog0: he said "yes, i'll make it happen somehow" heh | 21:10 |
| russellb | we'll see :-) | 21:11 |
| dansmith | what about the high, not-started baremetal one near the top? | 21:11 |
| jog0 | \o/ I hope that one makes it in | 21:11 |
| russellb | hemna: that seems reasonable, you guys already using this in cinder? | 21:11 |
| russellb | devananda: ^ | 21:11 |
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| hemna | russellb, yes, it just landed in Cinder before H2 | 21:11 |
| russellb | hemna: ok cool, i'll put it on havana-3 ... ideally up for review *ASAP* | 21:12 |
| hemna | ok cool thanks | 21:12 |
| russellb | because we're going to get killed with havana-3 reviews i think | 21:12 |
| dansmith | russellb: I can do the changes if you want, while you make the hard decisions here | 21:12 |
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| hemna | not unlike G3 :P | 21:12 |
| russellb | dansmith: k! set that one to h3 | 21:12 |
| russellb | hemna: heh, like g3, but worse :-) | 21:12 |
| hemna | d'oh, lets hope not! | 21:12 |
| mrodden | around now, would like to talk about user-locale-api if we get a chance... | 21:13 |
| dansmith | set to h3, approved, medium | 21:13 |
| hemna | thanks | 21:13 |
| russellb | dansmith: ack | 21:13 |
| russellb | mrodden: ok | 21:13 |
| dansmith | mrodden: that's low | 21:13 |
| dansmith | untracked and rather far under the concern bar, IMHO, unless that needs to change | 21:13 |
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| russellb | i know that one has been out there for a long time | 21:13 |
| mrodden | dansmith: correct, but i was wondering if we could bump the priority... its mostly complete | 21:13 |
| russellb | anyone else want to lobby for it to be bumped up? | 21:14 |
| mrodden | actually it is complete | 21:14 |
| russellb | i don't have strong feelings about it | 21:14 |
| devananda | given the crunch, I feel that https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/db-slave-handle shouldn't be completed until the other "test the db better" BPs are also done, especially the "test with real back ends" | 21:14 |
| dansmith | does it need bumping then? | 21:14 |
| russellb | priority is independent of implementation status | 21:14 |
| russellb | it's mostly about prioritizing our resources | 21:14 |
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| russellb | and unfortunately, we do have to stack things somehow | 21:14 |
| dansmith | right | 21:14 |
| mrodden | it just seems that it gets buried by other higher BP priorities... idk | 21:14 |
| mikal | We should also beat the drum a bit lounder and get more cores reviewing regularly | 21:15 |
| russellb | devananda: but it's different people right? | 21:15 |
| devananda | russellb: yes | 21:15 |
| russellb | mikal: yeah ... suggestions on how to do that without being a jerk? :-) | 21:15 |
| mikal | russellb: I got nothing | 21:15 |
| russellb | devananda: so does it need to be blocked? | 21:15 |
| russellb | mikal: yeah, same, pretty much | 21:15 |
| russellb | mikal: i try to send out friendly reminders | 21:15 |
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| russellb | and i've dropped 2-3 people this cycle ... | 21:15 |
| devananda | russellb: i'm curious how others feel about it | 21:16 |
| russellb | while also adding a few that are more active | 21:16 |
| mikal | russellb: goons, hired goons | 21:16 |
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| dansmith | geekinutah: comments on the db-slave-handle one? | 21:16 |
| russellb | mikal: one thing i'd like to do is write up a wiki page on core team expectations to make it more clear what is expected in terms of review involvement | 21:16 |
| russellb | mikal: it's a bit unspoken right now | 21:16 |
| mrodden | +1 | 21:16 |
| dansmith | russellb: good call | 21:16 |
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| mikal | russellb: that's a good idea | 21:17 |
| geekinutah | just a sec, lemme get off the phone | 21:17 |
| russellb | #action russellb to write up a nova-core team expectations wiki page and publish to the mailing list next week | 21:17 |
| jog0 | russellb: what about what is expected from a patch author? | 21:17 |
| russellb | #action russellb to post about the need for a havana-3 reality check to the ML | 21:17 |
| jog0 | to make the reviewers life easier | 21:17 |
| russellb | jog0: yeah, that too :-) | 21:17 |
| mikal | *action russellb to personally review all patchsets | 21:17 |
| dansmith | mikal: he kinda is :) | 21:17 |
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| russellb | mikal: i tried that for a while, about burned out | 21:18 |
| devananda | unified-migrations is High, but has no code up for review or landed yet | 21:18 |
| devananda | dansmith: ^ :) | 21:18 |
| dansmith | devananda: not true | 21:18 |
| russellb | it's a parent blueprint | 21:18 |
| devananda | ah! i see | 21:18 |
| dansmith | devananda: what about the baremetal migrations one? that seems not started | 21:18 |
| devananda | dansmith: indeed. I bumped that to -next | 21:19 |
| yjiang5 | not sure if pci passthrough can be high, it has been discussed for so long and people really want it. | 21:19 |
| russellb | mikal: libvirt console logging? | 21:19 |
| dansmith | okay, cool | 21:19 |
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| mikal | russellb: I actually started that one yesterday | 21:19 |
| russellb | mikal: oh, nice | 21:19 |
| russellb | dansmith: set that one to started :-) ^^ | 21:20 |
| dansmith | I'm okay with PCI passthrough being medium, personally | 21:20 |
| russellb | dansmith: same | 21:20 |
| mikal | Having a six week family thing in the middle of the cycle has been quite disruptive. I don't recommend it. | 21:20 |
| russellb | mikal: all good, family is more important, good sir | 21:20 |
| yjiang5 | dansmith: ok. | 21:20 |
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| dansmith | russellb: hmm, I can't make it started | 21:20 |
| mikal | russellb: you haven't met my family... :P | 21:20 |
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| dansmith | no, I can | 21:20 |
| dansmith | nevermind | 21:20 |
| russellb | cyeoh: we still feel good about v3? | 21:21 |
| cyeoh | russellb: overall yes. Most of the extensions are in | 21:21 |
| russellb | i think the parts i'm most concerned about there are docs, and novaclient support | 21:21 |
| dansmith | is the "create v3 api" something we should defer past havana? | 21:21 |
| cyeoh | I agree about docs and novaclient as no one has volunteered to do that bit | 21:21 |
| russellb | how'd the docs discussion go? | 21:21 |
| annegentle_ | docs yes. +10 | 21:21 |
| mriedem1 | annegentle_: you docs team? | 21:22 |
| russellb | ok, well, i'd rather not have v3 finished in havana, than not have the docs we need, or not have novaclient | 21:22 |
| annegentle_ | mriedem1: I lead the team | 21:22 |
| dansmith | I don't think v3 is going to be "finished" until it's stable and maybe default, | 21:22 |
| russellb | we can have it disabled by default, and when enabled, exposed as "BETA" or whatever we tag things not "STABLE" in the API | 21:22 |
| jog0 | russellb: ++ its not finished without docs and client | 21:22 |
| dansmith | which isn't going to happen in havana, I expect | 21:22 |
| cyeoh | russellb: had a good talk with annegentle_ and others about docs. I think I've found some some extra help with docs | 21:22 |
| mriedem1 | cyeoh: we should talk about docs later, i might be able to sway some resources | 21:23 |
| russellb | would another cycle be good to give us more time to think through changes we want to make? | 21:23 |
| mriedem1 | not promising | 21:23 |
| cyeoh | but getting the docs completely finished by the h3 deadline is going to be very hard | 21:23 |
| russellb | deferring makes me less happy about all the copied code ... | 21:23 |
| russellb | but it is what it is | 21:23 |
| cyeoh | mriedem1: thanks | 21:23 |
| sdague | russellb: we can also carry v3 as experimental, and enable it. As long as nova-pythonclient picks v2 correctly by default | 21:23 |
| russellb | sdague: that's true | 21:23 |
| cyeoh | There's going to be a lot of patches just for the api samples in h3 | 21:23 |
| sdague | the api mechanism does support multi versions | 21:23 |
| russellb | yep | 21:24 |
| dansmith | sdague, russellb: then the blueprint should have a sub-blueprint of making it not experimental, right? | 21:24 |
| cyeoh | I do have one request for reviewers for api related code - | 21:24 |
| russellb | so it seems we may need to go that route, and tighen up in Icehouse | 21:24 |
| dansmith | and v3 itself should be targeted to -next? | 21:24 |
| sdague | dansmith: yes, I think so | 21:24 |
| russellb | let's keep discussing each week in this meeting | 21:24 |
| cyeoh | and that is to not let anything through that only makes changes to the v2 api now | 21:24 |
| dansmith | so leave it for now? | 21:24 |
| russellb | well, you guys sound confident | 21:24 |
| russellb | basically no chance at this point of having a stable complete documented APi with client support? | 21:25 |
| russellb | if so, move to -next | 21:25 |
| mriedem1 | russellb: if it's docs holding it back, we might have some help | 21:25 |
| dansmith | I vote we move the parent to -next, leave the docs and tests for h3 and move those if/when we need | 21:25 |
| cyeoh | dansmith: yes that sounds about right. | 21:26 |
| russellb | so, we're saying, v3 will be experimental in Havana | 21:26 |
| russellb | yes? | 21:26 |
| dansmith | IMHO, yes | 21:26 |
| russellb | cyeoh: ^ ? | 21:26 |
| russellb | just want to be very clear is all | 21:26 |
| cyeoh | russellb: yes, in practice its going to need a lot more testing than it has anyway | 21:26 |
| russellb | ok, move it! | 21:27 |
| russellb | thanks guys. | 21:27 |
| dansmith | moved! | 21:27 |
| cyeoh | russellb: we ramping up the tempest tests this cycle in an effort to help, but needs more real world testing too | 21:27 |
| dansmith | cyeoh: is "unittests for v3" really "api_samples" ? | 21:27 |
| russellb | annegentle_: we'll make sure we have solid docs :-) moving off to Icehouse for now | 21:27 |
| annegentle_ | russellb: go go get 'em | 21:27 |
| cyeoh | dansmith: no api samples is under docs, the unittests bp was to make sure we have better unittest coverage for the extensions | 21:28 |
| dansmith | cyeoh: okay | 21:28 |
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| cyeoh | dansmith: more like a check where the gaps are and fill them. | 21:28 |
| dansmith | cyeoh: okay, I'm just looking at all the high bps assigned to you | 21:28 |
| dansmith | cyeoh: there are a lot of them.. are they all still justified in remaining for h3? | 21:29 |
| russellb | they kind of seem like they're mostly done in parallel | 21:29 |
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| cyeoh | dansmith, russellb: yea most of them are still there because they apply to all extensions ported | 21:29 |
| dansmith | okay | 21:29 |
| cyeoh | and we have 5-6 left to merge | 21:29 |
| russellb | k | 21:29 |
| dansmith | I assume ndipanov_gone 's is still on track as he seems to be making progress on that | 21:30 |
| russellb | belliott: around? graceful service shutdown status? | 21:30 |
| russellb | looks like some code made it in to oslo, but needs to be synced over and used by nova | 21:30 |
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| russellb | i'd say "good progress" dansmith ^ | 21:31 |
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| dansmith | the belliott one? | 21:31 |
| russellb | yeah | 21:31 |
| dansmith | done | 21:31 |
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| russellb | joel-coffman: hey, around? | 21:32 |
| joel-coffman | yep | 21:32 |
| russellb | looking at encrypt-ephemeral-storage | 21:32 |
| russellb | i know you have patches out there, but it seems they're not linked to the blueprint | 21:32 |
| joel-coffman | two blueprints actually | 21:32 |
| russellb | oh | 21:32 |
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| russellb | ah yes | 21:32 |
| joel-coffman | encrypt Cinder volumes: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/encrypt-cinder-volumes | 21:32 |
| russellb | the other is for cinder | 21:33 |
| belliott | russellb: yeah some progress :) it took some time to get oslo reviews through | 21:33 |
| russellb | belliott: *nod* | 21:33 |
| russellb | joel-coffman: ok, so it's encrypt-cinder-volumes we have patches for | 21:33 |
| joel-coffman | yes, ephemeral storage encryption: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/encrypt-ephemeral-storage | 21:33 |
| joel-coffman | so far | 21:33 |
| russellb | joel-coffman: so are you basically just needing reviews on these? | 21:33 |
| russellb | (encrypt-cinder) | 21:34 |
| joel-coffman | yes, although there's some plumbing issues with Cinder that we're resolving | 21:34 |
| russellb | ok | 21:34 |
| dansmith | that one is already "needs review" | 21:34 |
| joel-coffman | should have updated patches in a week or two tops | 21:34 |
| russellb | i'd definitely like to see the cinder guys weigh in | 21:34 |
| russellb | joel-coffman: the other one, for ephemeral storage, do you still feel like that's realistic for havana-3? | 21:34 |
| joel-coffman | I think so | 21:34 |
| joel-coffman | we have a beta available internally | 21:35 |
| russellb | ok, just beware of the incoming merge proposal storm | 21:35 |
| joel-coffman | hope to refine it and submit by early August | 21:35 |
| russellb | ok | 21:35 |
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| joel-coffman | russellb: thanks for the warning -- I took detailed notes at the beginning | 21:35 |
| russellb | k :-) | 21:35 |
| joel-coffman | :) | 21:35 |
| russellb | so we have some medium ones not started ... | 21:36 |
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| russellb | alaski: soft-errors ? | 21:36 |
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| alaski | russellb: most likely won't get done, though some work probably will | 21:36 |
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| russellb | alaski: ok, so let's move it to "next" then | 21:36 |
| alaski | works for me | 21:37 |
| russellb | alaski: thanks for being realistic :-) | 21:37 |
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| geekinutah | okay, my phone call is over, sorry folks | 21:37 |
| geekinutah | I can talk about db-slave whenever | 21:37 |
| russellb | use-db-time should be easy, so we can leave it | 21:37 |
| russellb | geekinutah: ok, we can talk about it now | 21:37 |
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| russellb | devananda: had some thoughts about whether it should be blocked by some others i think | 21:37 |
| russellb | devananda: ^ ? | 21:37 |
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| devananda | geekinutah: hi! i'm curious your (and others) thoughts on the priority / order of landing | 21:38 |
| geekinutah | I'm not sure why it would need to be blocked.... I have everything I need to complete it now that oslo-config thing is resolved | 21:38 |
| devananda | geekinutah: between teh db-slave patch and the other patches which improve db test coverage (like test-all-backends) | 21:38 |
| russellb | has test-all-backends been worked on at all? | 21:38 |
| russellb | db-slave seems separate to me | 21:39 |
| russellb | it's off by default, so fairly low risk | 21:39 |
| dansmith | is it really a high review priority? | 21:39 |
| russellb | which, db-slave? yeah it's high | 21:39 |
| dansmith | okay | 21:39 |
| devananda | hm, ok | 21:39 |
| russellb | i think most of the other db ones are close to being completed IIRC | 21:39 |
| russellb | other than test-all-backends ... | 21:40 |
| geekinutah | I think it's realistic to get it done in H3 also, there's not a ton of work that needs doing for the BP | 21:40 |
| russellb | but the session cleanup, and unit test additions | 21:40 |
| devananda | off by default != low risk, IMHO. | 21:40 |
| russellb | devananda: fair enough | 21:40 |
| devananda | geekinutah: landing the support for it looks easily doable | 21:40 |
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| devananda | geekinutah: and i'm totally good with that in H3. my concern is the last TODO item: decorate all the things | 21:40 |
| geekinutah | that decorate all the things probably doesn't belong in the BP | 21:40 |
| russellb | devananda: so are you basically worried about our ability to provide good enough test coverage of it? | 21:41 |
| devananda | geekinutah: it's a little late right now to start changing behavior of various methods, IMHO | 21:41 |
| devananda | russellb: yes | 21:41 |
| russellb | ok | 21:41 |
| russellb | so, we could pull that out of the scope | 21:41 |
| russellb | make decorate all the things part of Icehouse | 21:41 |
| devananda | works for me | 21:41 |
| russellb | would that alleviate your concerns? | 21:41 |
| devananda | yep | 21:41 |
| geekinutah | I was thinking I would decorate one or two very low risk targets... but I'm okay not to do that I guess | 21:42 |
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| dansmith | so that is just a change that geekinutah can make and then a new bp to file, rihgt? | 21:42 |
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| russellb | yeah, i think so | 21:42 |
| geekinutah | sounds right | 21:42 |
| dansmith | sweet | 21:42 |
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| russellb | geekinutah: feel free to propose it, and then we can discuss it | 21:43 |
| geekinutah | k | 21:43 |
| russellb | separate from the base support | 21:43 |
| russellb | eharney: around? | 21:43 |
| eharney | hi | 21:43 |
| russellb | eharney: are you optimistic about native qemu suppot for glusterfs? | 21:43 |
| dansmith | man, the h3 bp list is getting a smackdown by russellb today | 21:43 |
| russellb | eharney: given the snapshot work you're doing now | 21:44 |
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| russellb | dansmith: 'tis my job, i think :-) | 21:44 |
| dansmith | russellb: just commenting on the show :) | 21:44 |
| eharney | russellb: yes, i think it should get in there, as a follow-up to the snapshot work | 21:44 |
| russellb | eharney: ok, good luck sir :-) | 21:44 |
| eharney | :) | 21:44 |
| dansmith | status change for that? | 21:45 |
| dansmith | it's not started currently | 21:45 |
| russellb | dansmith: sounds like not started is still accurate | 21:45 |
| russellb | eharney: yes? | 21:45 |
| dansmith | oh, as a followup to snapshot, got it | 21:45 |
| eharney | yes, that's accurate | 21:45 |
| russellb | ok | 21:45 |
| russellb | dragondm: ping | 21:46 |
| russellb | dragondm: i haven't heard anything about versioning notifications, status? | 21:46 |
| dansmith | I wonder if that's a "use objects for notifications" thing now? | 21:46 |
| dansmith | instead of versioning something else independently | 21:46 |
| russellb | ummm ... maybe | 21:46 |
| russellb | notifications go outside of nova though | 21:47 |
| russellb | and even outside of openstack completely | 21:47 |
| russellb | so it's tricky | 21:47 |
| dansmith | ah, right | 21:47 |
| russellb | entrypoints-plugins - i think we should consider a scope reduction there | 21:47 |
| russellb | instead of "entrypoints all the things" | 21:47 |
| russellb | entrypoints these specific things that we know will be done in havana (perhaps what is already completed) and call it a day | 21:47 |
| russellb | i'll follow up on that, it's not a quick status change ... | 21:48 |
| russellb | alright, let's jump to open discussion while we still have some time | 21:48 |
| russellb | i suspect next week we'll do this again | 21:48 |
| mrodden | +! | 21:48 |
| mrodden | err, +1 | 21:48 |
| russellb | #topic open discussion | 21:49 |
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| dansmith | The current set of objects patches need some +As: | 21:49 |
| russellb | any other topics? | 21:49 |
| dansmith | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/compute-api-objects,n,z | 21:49 |
| jog0 | rootwrap | 21:49 |
| dansmith | and some reviews | 21:49 |
| cburgess | rootwrap +1 | 21:49 |
| dansmith | oh yeah, rootwrap. | 21:49 |
| russellb | rootwrap is slow. :-/ | 21:49 |
| russellb | it's bad enough that we should do something. | 21:49 |
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| jog0 | TL;DR: 'time sudo nova-rootwrap /etc/nova/rootwrap.conf ls' takes 0.254 seconds | 21:50 |
| russellb | step 1) determine if there's anything in the code we can make more efficient to make an impact, or if it's just Python startup pain | 21:50 |
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| russellb | status on step 1 ? | 21:50 |
| russellb | (context, rootwrap adds over 2 minutes to the time it takes to run 30 instances vs. when not using rootwrap) | 21:50 |
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| dansmith | I haven't looked into rootwrap internals | 21:50 |
| jog0 | russellb: haven't dug into it too far but pyton looks fast to start up | 21:51 |
| russellb | do we have a bug for it yet? | 21:51 |
| lifeless | does rootwrap import nova? | 21:51 |
| russellb | documenting the data you have so far? | 21:51 |
| lifeless | cause that would be super slow | 21:51 |
| dansmith | jog0: well, faster than a quarter second, but not fast like sudo, right? | 21:51 |
| dansmith | russellb: yeah | 21:51 |
| russellb | lifeless: nah, it runs it as a separate process | 21:51 |
| jog0 | running a one line python file takes 0m0.018s | 21:52 |
| lifeless | python itself should be about 20ms | 21:52 |
| lifeless | russellb: I know its a separate process | 21:52 |
| lifeless | russellb: but if it sucks in bits of nova for extensions | 21:52 |
| sdague | jog0: with no imports? | 21:52 |
| lifeless | which rootwrap is designed to do... | 21:52 |
| jog0 | sdague: yes | 21:52 |
| russellb | oh, does rootwrap import nova, i read it the other way around, sorry | 21:52 |
| russellb | so maybe it's rootwrap reading all of its config files every time? | 21:52 |
| russellb | could probably get clever with that. | 21:53 |
| jog0 | the config takes time and some regex take time | 21:53 |
| russellb | ... or make rootwrap a daemon ... | 21:53 |
| jog0 | ran python -m cprofile on it yesterday | 21:53 |
| dansmith | as ttx said, trimming the config to just network things would make it a little faster | 21:53 |
| lifeless | from nova.openstack.common.rootwrap import wrapper | 21:53 |
| lifeless | it's importing nova | 21:53 |
| lifeless | so everything that nova.__init__ imports | 21:53 |
| lifeless | and everything that nova.openstack.__ imports | 21:53 |
| lifeless | and everything that nova.openstack.common.__init__ imports | 21:54 |
| lifeless | e.g. huge | 21:54 |
| jog0 | speeding up rootwrap by 3x wouldn't be enough o fa fix | 21:54 |
| lifeless | it should be able to run in ~30ms | 21:54 |
| lifeless | would that be fast enough ? | 21:54 |
| russellb | lifeless: it looks like all of those __init__.py files import nothing | 21:54 |
| dansmith | IMHO, no | 21:55 |
| dansmith | we run ten commands back to back when setting up things like networks | 21:55 |
| jog0 | err 25 | 21:55 |
| dansmith | 10 * 30 == 300ms | 21:55 |
| dansmith | jog0: was choosing ten as an order of magnitude :) | 21:55 |
| dansmith | we can trim some of what we're doing | 21:55 |
| lifeless | jog0: please apply this patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/5888945/ | 21:55 |
| russellb | certainly better than 250ms per command. | 21:55 |
| lifeless | that will give us a good idea | 21:55 |
| jog0 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/40715/ | 21:56 |
| jog0 | to give you an idea | 21:56 |
| jog0 | and this is the result: long waits for iptables locks http://paste.openstack.org/show/40747/ | 21:56 |
| russellb | can someone also paste the bug link for this? | 21:57 |
| russellb | just want to make sure we have it in the log | 21:57 |
| jog0 | ip route w/o rootwrap is 0.007 seonds | 21:57 |
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| jog0 | with 0.158 | 21:57 |
| jog0 | russellb: sorry https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo/+bug/1199433 | 21:58 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1199433 in nova "nova boot --num-instances=50 times out " [High,New] | 21:58 |
| russellb | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo/+bug/1199433 | 21:58 |
| russellb | jog0: can you try the patch lifeless posted? | 21:58 |
| jog0 | lifeless: my dev env is down at the moment | 21:58 |
| russellb | ah, k | 21:58 |
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| jog0 | anyone else have devstack running? | 21:58 |
| russellb | well something to look at | 21:58 |
| dansmith | 20 things | 21:59 |
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| dansmith | no | 21:59 |
| dansmith | 268 | 21:59 |
| jog0 | lol | 21:59 |
| mrodden | :( | 21:59 |
| dansmith | >>> print("imported modules %s" % len(sys.modules.keys(),)) | 22:00 |
| dansmith | imported modules 268 | 22:00 |
| cburgess | That seems like it *might* be an issue. | 22:00 |
| russellb | print them? | 22:00 |
| russellb | see what the heck it is | 22:00 |
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| dansmith | it's not bad though | 22:00 |
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| dansmith | python startup + that import == 28ms | 22:00 |
| dansmith | well, 44ms wall clock time | 22:01 |
| dansmith | dan@guaranine:~/nova$ time python -c "from nova.openstack.common.rootwrap import wrapper" | 22:01 |
| dansmith | real0m0.044s | 22:01 |
| dansmith | user0m0.028s | 22:01 |
| dansmith | sys0m0.012s | 22:01 |
| russellb | ok, well, more investigation to do here | 22:01 |
| russellb | we're out of time | 22:01 |
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| russellb | thanks everyone | 22:01 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
| jog0 | still too high | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 18 22:01:53 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| mikal | Bye | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-07-18-21.01.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-07-18-21.01.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-07-18-21.01.log.html | 22:01 |
| devananda | o/ | 22:02 |
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