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| fishing | i'm curious, any ron paul supporters here? if so i gotta ask why? | 05:24 |
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| fishing | romney / obama bots need not apply | 05:25 |
| fishing | i don't know what kind of room this is, i just know that i'm a former ron paul supporter...and i don't support him any more, nor some of his message...and i was wondering if there are any supporters | 05:26 |
| fishing | waste of time, good luck yall | 05:27 |
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| nijaba | #startmeeting Ceilometer | 15:00 |
| nijaba | #meetingtopic Ceilometer | 15:00 |
| nijaba | #chair nijaba | 15:00 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 4 15:00:01 2012 UTC. The chair is nijaba. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Current chairs: nijaba | 15:00 |
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| nijaba | Hello everyone! Show of hands, who is around for the ceilometer meeting? | 15:00 |
| nijaba | o/ | 15:00 |
| spn | o/ | 15:00 |
| eglynn | o/ | 15:00 |
| russellb | o/ | 15:00 |
| cp16net | o/ | 15:00 |
| nijaba | nice! | 15:00 |
| nijaba | #topic actions from previous meeting | 15:00 |
| nijaba | #topic nijaba to share a first version of the slides with dhellmann | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from previous meeting (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to share a first version of the slides with dhellmann (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| nijaba | We've been working well together and I think we almost have a final version | 15:01 |
| nijaba | about 20 slides for 40 minutes | 15:01 |
| spn | cool | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:01 |
| nijaba | volunteers to review? | 15:01 |
| journeeman | o/ | 15:02 |
| nijaba | please pm me your google enabled address if you want to give us your feedback | 15:02 |
| nijaba | #topic dhellmann to provide some bullet points on DH use case | 15:02 |
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| nijaba | that was done too as part of the slides | 15:02 |
| DanD | o/ | 15:02 |
| nijaba | #topic dhellmann update status on http://wiki.openstack.org/EfficientMetering/RoadMap | 15:02 |
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| nijaba | dhellmann: ? | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | I did update it, but it is not entirely up to date | 15:03 |
| jd__ | lo | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | I completed a review of all of the meters we're collecting earlier today, so I have enough info to finish that now | 15:03 |
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| nijaba | nice! | 15:04 |
| nijaba | #topic gmb to email the list with a summary of how things stand for the release | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "gmb to email the list with a summary of how things stand for the release (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:04 | |
| nijaba | gmb is busy, but he will be sending the email before the eod | 15:04 |
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| nijaba | #topic Release status | 15:05 |
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| nijaba | so, while gmb is out, I think we need to drive this forward | 15:05 |
| nijaba | I think we are past our feature freeze date | 15:05 |
| nijaba | but are still accepting features | 15:05 |
| nijaba | so when should we be cutting off? | 15:05 |
| * dhellmann hangs head in shame | 15:06 | |
| * jd__ votes $RANDOM | 15:06 | |
| nijaba | what feature are on the verge of delivery that we would like to have? | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | there are 2 things I'd like to include | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | 1. option to disable meters through configuration | 15:07 |
| nijaba | I think it would be nice to have release on the 14th latest, so we can say it is done at the summit | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | 2. review and standardize the meter names | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | #1 isn't a requirement for a 0.1 release, but would be nice | 15:07 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: do you think this can be completed before the end of this week? | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | #2 will be more difficult to change later, I think, after people start depending on the current names | 15:07 |
| nijaba | so that next week can be dedicated to test and release? | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | I think so. jd__ what do you think? | 15:08 |
| jd__ | hum | 15:08 |
| * dhellmann just noticed a bunch of related code reviews from jd__ | 15:09 | |
| jd__ | i think both requirement makes sense | 15:09 |
| jd__ | I've started #2 a bit actually as you just noticed | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | I'll take #1 | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | I know how I want that done, and Justin started the code already | 15:09 |
| jd__ | we have a start for #1 I think, right? | 15:09 |
| jd__ | ok :) | 15:09 |
| jd__ | that's what I though | 15:09 |
| jd__ | +t | 15:09 |
| jd__ | I think it'll be enough for a first release | 15:10 |
| nijaba | so, feature free on saturday? | 15:10 |
| jd__ | we can call this "technical preview" or something like that | 15:10 |
| jd__ | i'm sure there's a good marketing name :) | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | let's say sunday since I may not actually get to work on it until then | 15:10 |
| nijaba | 0.1 carrues that very well, I think :) | 15:10 |
| jd__ | nijaba: indeed :) | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | 0.1 should be marked an alpha, right? | 15:10 |
| nijaba | #agreed feature freeze push to sunday | 15:10 |
| jd__ | one day I'll write a book on software version numbers | 15:11 |
| spn | ;) | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 15:11 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: call it what you want, I know crazy guys will be usingit in prod regardless ;) | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | heh | 15:11 |
| cp16net | nijaba: yeah i was wondering is anyone running this ina prod env? | 15:12 |
| nijaba | ok, then what do we need to do then to have a release? | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | cp16net: we will be soon at DreamHost | 15:12 |
| cp16net | or just dev or local env | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | but so far only dev | 15:12 |
| cp16net | ok cool | 15:12 |
| nijaba | we need to open a new dev branch and gate the existing one to bug fix only. Who can do that on monday | 15:13 |
| nijaba | I have no idea how to do this with git | 15:14 |
| nijaba | volunteers? | 15:14 |
| jd__ | I can try | 15:14 |
| spn | do we need to have special access on github to do that? | 15:14 |
| jd__ | OTOH I think we need to adapt to something like other projects, we continue to commit in master but create stable branch | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | +1 to stable branch | 15:15 |
| nijaba | jd__: ok that works too | 15:15 |
| jd__ | spn: not sure, I think i'll poke the -infra guys | 15:15 |
| eglynn | also a milestone-proposed branch? | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | the guys in openstack-infra should be able to explain how | 15:15 |
| nijaba | #action jd__ to create a stable branch on monday | 15:15 |
| spn | cool | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: we would need to define some milestones first, no? :-) | 15:15 |
| jd__ | I think just a folsom/stable branch would be enough for now | 15:16 |
| srini_g | 0/ | 15:16 |
| jd__ | it's not like we are expected to release real working stuff | 15:16 |
| jd__ | :-> | 15:16 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: the milestone-proposed branch is usually used for pre-release fixes | 15:16 |
| srini_g | o/ | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: we should, after (or at?) the summit put together a set of milestones for grizzly | 15:16 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: +1 | 15:16 |
| jd__ | roooaaarr (grizzly) | 15:16 |
| cp16net | and tag master as well | 15:16 |
| eglynn | also shouldn't the stable/folsom only be cut once the release is done? | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: cutting after the release makes sense | 15:16 |
| jd__ | eglynn: we release on sunday and makes the branch on monday? | 15:17 |
| nijaba | next week is QA week, we release the weekend after | 15:17 |
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| dhellmann | nijaba: that makes sense | 15:17 |
| eglynn | jd__ we feature freeze on Sunday, but release later in the week? | 15:17 |
| nijaba | so we should work on bug fixes on the stabel branch, new features land on master | 15:17 |
| eglynn | so fixes next week go on master first, then cherry picked onto miletsone-proposed | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: the milestone-proposed branch may make more sense after we have our first release then? I'm not sure what it buys us now | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | ah | 15:18 |
| eglynn | milestone-proposed for pre-relase fixes, stable/folsom for post-relase fixes | 15:18 |
| eglynn | s/relase/release/ | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | I see | 15:18 |
| nijaba | eglynn: ah, that makes sense | 15:18 |
| * nijaba wonder if ttx is lurking | 15:19 | |
| eglynn | FYI some more detail on the process: http://wiki.openstack.org/GerritJenkinsGithub#Authoring_Changes_for_milestone-proposed | 15:19 |
| nijaba | thanks eglynn | 15:19 |
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| jd__ | http://wiki.openstack.org/BranchModel worth reading too | 15:19 |
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| ttx | nijaba: no | 15:19 |
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| ttx | need help ? | 15:20 |
| nijaba | ttx: if you have best practices for handling our release | 15:20 |
| jd__ | we're discussing how to copy branching model for stable and milestone from other project | 15:20 |
| nijaba | right now we are on: | 15:20 |
| eglynn | ttx: just clarifying the use fo miletsone-proposed versus stable branch | 15:20 |
| nijaba | milestone-proposed for pre-relase fixes on monday | 15:20 |
| eglynn | agreed | 15:21 |
| nijaba | stable/folsom for post-relase fixes next weekend when we release | 15:21 |
| nijaba | we tag master | 15:21 |
| nijaba | each time | 15:21 |
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| nijaba | ttx: makes sense to you? | 15:21 |
| ttx | hmm, how is the version generated right now ? | 15:21 |
| ttx | what tarballs are you producing currently ? | 15:22 |
| * jd__ whispers | 15:22 | |
| jd__ | none I think? | 15:22 |
| nijaba | I don't think we produce any | 15:22 |
| nijaba | yet | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | I think we just have the version # hard-coded in setup.py | 15:22 |
| ttx | ok | 15:22 |
| ttx | let me think | 15:22 |
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| ttx | if you don't have automatic tarball generation, that simplifies | 15:23 |
| ttx | you can probably create milestone-proposed on top of master, then stable/folsom on top of milestone-proposed (after release) | 15:23 |
| ttx | if you want to mimick how iot's done for core | 15:24 |
| nijaba | I think this is what eglynnwas proposing | 15:24 |
| jd__ | ttx: that's the point, thanks | 15:24 |
| nijaba | and yes, we want | 15:24 |
| jd__ | we'll do that :) | 15:24 |
| ttx | Been working on rewriting http://wiki.openstack.org/ReleaseTeam/HowToRelease | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | how do we get the branches pushed to github? | 15:24 |
| nijaba | thanks a lot ttx | 15:24 |
| ttx | which is the complete process I use, but you need nothing of that complexity | 15:24 |
| ttx | since you have nothing like milestone codes or pre-generated tarballs | 15:25 |
| nijaba | ok, so the next question is weather we are missing anything for a release? | 15:25 |
| nijaba | release notes maybe? | 15:25 |
| nijaba | also, do we need to produce a tarball? | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | we could add those to our docs | 15:26 |
| spn | dhllemann: git remote add github git@github.com:user_name/my_app.git and git push -u github master | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | spn: I don't know if any of us have permission to push directly to github because of the way the repo was created. maybe nijaba has admin rights? | 15:27 |
| spn | agreed. | 15:27 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to prime release notes in the docs | 15:27 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: can I grant those rights to someone else? | 15:28 |
| spn | may be adding other users as collaborators | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: if you have admin rights, I think you can | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: do you have admin? | 15:28 |
| * jd__ does not have admin | 15:29 | |
| nijaba | dhellmann: I have no idea. Dachary did the initial setup of the repo IIRC | 15:29 |
| * dhellmann does not have admin | 15:29 | |
| nijaba | how do I check? | 15:29 |
| spn | admin page ( https://github.com/user/repo/admin ) and in the Collaborators tab | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | go to https://github.com/stackforge/ceilometer and look for the "admin" tab | 15:29 |
| spn | see if you can add users | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | the admin tab should be on the right end after "graphs" etc. | 15:30 |
| jd__ | anyway someone from openstack-infra has admin so don't bother I'll deal with them | 15:30 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: no admin tab for me. I'll speak with dachary | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | we should probably add you, me, and jd__ | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | at least | 15:30 |
| nijaba | #action nick to find a way to give admin right to jd__ for github | 15:31 |
| jd__ | https://github.com/stackforge?tab=members -> Monty :) | 15:31 |
| nijaba | #action nick to find a way to give admin right to jd__ and dhellmann for github | 15:31 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to find a way to give admin right to jd__ and dhellmann for github | 15:31 |
| nijaba | I think I have the action right this time! | 15:31 |
| jd__ | we hope so :) | 15:32 |
| nijaba | so, do we need to produce a tarball? | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: that may be something we can have the infra team turn on for the project | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | like they do for nova, etc. | 15:32 |
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| nijaba | ok, I'll check into it at the same time then | 15:32 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to check if infrateam can generate a tarball for us | 15:33 |
| jd__ | are you sure? that may overlap with my #action about putting the branches in place | 15:33 |
| jd__ | not that it's a big problem :) | 15:33 |
| nijaba | jd__: you want to cover it then? | 15:33 |
| jd__ | as you wish, but I can handle all this at once I imagine | 15:34 |
| nijaba | ok, sounds good | 15:34 |
| nijaba | #action jd__ to check if infrateam can generate a tarball for us | 15:34 |
| nijaba | anything else we might be missing for a release? | 15:34 |
| jd__ | once I have kidnapped an -infra guy, I can do whatever is needed | 15:34 |
| jd__ | i think it'll be a good start :) | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 15:35 |
| * nijaba wonders if jd__ is really jack dauer | 15:35 | |
| nijaba | ok, next topic then | 15:35 |
| nijaba | #topic Motion to review incubation request at the next TC meeting | 15:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Motion to review incubation request at the next TC meeting (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:36 | |
| nijaba | We need to trigger the new TC to decide if we are worth being incubated. I think it would be nice if we ensured this would happen at their next meeting, which will be face to face in san diego. Are you ok with me sending them an email on that subject. If they give us a green light, according to the by-laws, the board of director will then have to confirm. | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 15:36 |
| jd__ | +1, face to face is always easier to kidnap | 15:37 |
| eglynn | dumb question: what's the timeline for incubation? | 15:37 |
| jd__ | (what is wrong with me!) | 15:37 |
| nijaba | eglynn: one cycle | 15:37 |
| eglynn | (i.e. how long of a prior track-record is required?) | 15:37 |
| eglynn | a-ha ok, cool | 15:37 |
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| dhellmann | eglynn: prior track-record is unspecified, afaik | 15:37 |
| nijaba | one cycle in incubation, at least, before being core | 15:37 |
| eglynn | cool, thanks for the info | 15:38 |
| * dhellmann thought eglynn meant prior to incubation | 15:38 | |
| eglynn | dhellmann: I did :) | 15:38 |
| spn | dumb q?: being in incubation and core are same? | 15:38 |
| nijaba | spn: in terms of duties, yes | 15:38 |
| eglynn | one preceeds the other | 15:38 |
| nijaba | do we need to vote on my proposal or should I just mark that as agreed? | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | I sense agreement | 15:39 |
| eglynn | a yea by acclamation I think | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | is anyone opposed? | 15:40 |
| spn | no | 15:40 |
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| nijaba | #agreed nijaba to send an email to the tc to ask for a motion to put ceilometer in incubation | 15:40 |
| nijaba | this bring us to the next topic | 15:40 |
| nijaba | #topic ODS Grizzly | 15:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ODS Grizzly (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:40 | |
| jd__ | roooaaarr | 15:41 |
| nijaba | show of hands, who is going to be there in person? | 15:41 |
| eglynn | how many slots at teh ODS does ceilometer have? | 15:41 |
| nijaba | just so that I can plan for cash to buy beers ;) | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:41 |
| nijaba | o/ | 15:41 |
| * eglynn just heard he'll probably be able to attend :) | 15:41 | |
| nijaba | eglynn: \o/ | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | wait, beer? o/// | 15:41 |
| eglynn | :) | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: :) | 15:42 |
| spn | I think we have webex option this time | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | spn: yes, that was mentioned on the mailing list | 15:42 |
| nijaba | and long nights for you then... | 15:42 |
| spn | hihi.. | 15:42 |
| spn | not sure whether we are allowed to interact on webex | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | spn: I'm not sure whether it's supported, but if not we could have someone in the room on irc relay questions and comments | 15:43 |
| nijaba | no one else is going to be there? | 15:44 |
| DanD | o/ | 15:44 |
| spn | dhellmann: that would be great | 15:44 |
| nijaba | ah! | 15:44 |
| nijaba | I am sure jaypipes will be too | 15:44 |
| nijaba | what about jtran? | 15:44 |
| ttx | about design summit: I'll need your session descriptions for inclusion in the final schedule Monday | 15:44 |
| nijaba | ttx: http://wiki.openstack.org/EfficientMetering/GrizzlySummit | 15:44 |
| nijaba | so here you are | 15:45 |
| * jaypipes will be there Monday around noon | 15:45 | |
| ttx | nijaba: i'll try to remember that | 15:45 |
| nijaba | ttx: do you want an email? | 15:45 |
| ttx | nijaba: nah | 15:45 |
| nijaba | k | 15:45 |
| nijaba | jaypipes: will jtran be there? | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | ttx, do you have other questions about the metering integration sessions? | 15:46 |
| nijaba | ttx: you wanted to talk about "the multiplication of metring integration sessions" | 15:46 |
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| jaypipes | nijaba: yes | 15:46 |
| nijaba | cool. and I know enovance is sending a few people too | 15:47 |
| ttx | nijaba: yes, Would like to reduce the duplication asap | 15:47 |
| ttx | nijaba: so that you don't end up with all of them refused | 15:47 |
| nijaba | I think we all agreed to merge 3 of them into one last night by email | 15:47 |
| ttx | independently by the separate topic leads making independent decisions | 15:47 |
| nijaba | 115,116 and 118 IIRC | 15:47 |
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| nijaba | 115,117 and 118 actually | 15:49 |
| dhellmann | yes, the latter | 15:49 |
| nijaba | ttx: would this be good enough for you? | 15:49 |
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| ttx | let me check which topic they were proposed under | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | I just talked to Mark about the quantum session (110) and he wants to keep that focused on quantum because it will cover more than ceilometer | 15:50 |
| cp16net | i will be there. | 15:51 |
| nijaba | so, I hope you have all noted that ceilometer 3 sessions will happen on moday morning | 15:51 |
| ttx | OK, let's merge 117-118 | 15:51 |
| ttx | you can keep 115 since Horizon is missing stuff anyway | 15:51 |
| ttx | and it wil give you a late session (Thursday afternoon) on the subject to wrap it up | 15:52 |
| nijaba | ttx: sounds good | 15:52 |
| ttx | dhellmann: can you make one out of two ? 117-118 ? | 15:52 |
| ttx | dhellmann: and let me know which one to remove | 15:53 |
| ttx | will be simpler than communicating the merge to markmc, isn't around | 15:53 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yes, I'll do that after lunch and email you the results | 15:53 |
| dhellmann | (in a couple of hours) | 15:53 |
| ttx | ok, just let me know which to remove. | 15:53 |
| nijaba | ok, let's move to our final topic then | 15:54 |
| nijaba | #topic open discussion | 15:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:54 | |
| dhellmann | ttx, delete 118 | 15:54 |
| ttx | on it | 15:54 |
| nijaba | 5 minutes, any topics... | 15:55 |
| spn | http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/Proposed/Ceilometer | 15:55 |
| spn | This page has incubator details | 15:55 |
| spn | at the bottom | 15:55 |
| nijaba | spn: yes, that was our proposal 3 mo ago | 15:55 |
| spn | we have integration status | 15:55 |
| spn | I guess it is 3mon old status then | 15:55 |
| ttx | dhellmann: nuked. | 15:55 |
| nijaba | I'll need to refresh that before sending my email | 15:55 |
| dhellmann | ttx: thanks! | 15:55 |
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| nijaba | #action nijaba to resfresh http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/Proposed/Ceilometer before sending email to the tc | 15:56 |
| nijaba | anything else? | 15:57 |
| * dhellmann has nothing to add | 15:57 | |
| spn | nothing from me | 15:57 |
| nijaba | that was a full meeting! thanks a lot everyone! | 15:57 |
| dhellmann | thanks! | 15:58 |
| nijaba | next week, same place, same time | 15:58 |
| spn | thanks | 15:58 |
| nijaba | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack" | 15:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 4 15:58:16 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| spn | see you all | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-10-04-15.00.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-10-04-15.00.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-10-04-15.00.log.html | 15:58 |
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| dwalleck | Any QA folks around? | 17:03 |
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| jaypipes | dwalleck: yup | 17:04 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: actually just finishing up work on the remaining failure/bug in Tempest to get the gate going again... | 17:04 |
| jaypipes | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1061738 | 17:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1061738 in keystone "create_service() returns 500 Internal Server Error when bad keyword arg (XML only)" [Undecided,New] | 17:04 |
| jaypipes | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1061740 | 17:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1061740 in tempest "tests.identity.admin.test_services:ServicesTestBase.test_create_get_delete_service() fails due to incorrect parameter" [Critical,In progress] | 17:04 |
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| jaypipes | annegentle: is http://docs.rackspace.com/openstack-extensions/auth/OS-KSADM-admin-devguide/content/Admin_API_Service_Developer_Operations-d1e1357.html the only documentation on the Keystone Admin API? | 17:06 |
| jaypipes | annegentle: nm... found http://docs.rackspace.com/openstack-extensions/auth/OS-KSADM-admin-devguide/content/POST_addService_v2.0_OS-KSADM_services_Admin_API_Service_Developer_Operations-d1e1357.html#d463e2336 | 17:06 |
| dwalleck | Speaking of admin APIs, I'm hoping to get my Nova admin API tests in after this swift branch | 17:07 |
| jaypipes | w00t. | 17:07 |
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| dwalleck | And then maybe push a branch I need some opinions on...I put a hold on a lot of my server instance verification tests as I realized they were a bit too tied to the images we use at Rack | 17:09 |
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| dwalleck | I want to make sure they're smart enough to figure out how to find things regardless of distro/config. I think the best I can do is get something out and let people play with it other environments | 17:10 |
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| davidkranz | jaypipes: Sorry, lost track of time. | 17:12 |
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| jaypipes | davidkranz: no worries man | 17:14 |
| jaypipes | #startmeeting qa | 17:14 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 4 17:14:37 2012 UTC. The chair is jaypipes. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:14 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:14 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:14 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes, dwalleck : Last chance to add something to the QA summit agenda...? | 17:14 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes, dwalleck : I am going to leave one slot open. | 17:15 |
| dwalleck | davidkranz: I'd like to, but I'm not exactly sure what would make the most sense | 17:15 |
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| davidkranz | dwalleck: Just let me know your thoughts and I'll figure out how to fit it in. | 17:15 |
| dwalleck | Alot of the things I wanted to discuss are already in a few people's talks | 17:15 |
| dwalleck | sure, I can do that | 17:15 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: Remember, there are no talks. It is all discussion. | 17:16 |
| dwalleck | Right. Bad wording on my part | 17:16 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: It's more than wording. We can move discussions to different topics as needed. | 17:17 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: Some will need more than 40 minutes, some less. | 17:17 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz, dwalleck: the following gets our gate working again: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/14049/ | 17:17 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Great! Will check it out as soon as we're done. | 17:17 |
| dwalleck | same here | 17:17 |
| jaypipes | it builds on torandu's patches. | 17:17 |
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| torandu | Good morning. sorry for running late today | 17:20 |
| jaypipes | no worries | 17:20 |
| dwalleck | no problem | 17:20 |
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| torandu | is there an agenda for the meeting? | 17:21 |
| davidkranz | I don't have much more to report. I've been fighting to upgrade a live cluster to Folsom. | 17:21 |
| davidkranz | There is a session on this and we (openstack) really need to do better. | 17:22 |
| dwalleck | davidkranz: I know. We were doing well for awhile, but then I know I slacked pretty bad | 17:23 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: What did you have to do with the current situation? | 17:23 |
| dwalleck | Right now my priorities are swift branch -> nova admin api tests -> instance verification additions | 17:24 |
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| davidkranz | dwalleck: I think the problem is that openstack upstream is not doing a good enough job of describing how a live cluster could be upgraded. | 17:24 |
| davidkranz | And then each distro introduces its own complications. | 17:25 |
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| dwalleck | davidkranz: Maybe I misunderstood. I thought you were referring to better planning, and I was referring to the fact that I know I wasn't able to fufil my meeting captain responsibilities for a few months | 17:25 |
| davidkranz | But we can discuss this at the summit. | 17:25 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: No, I was referring to the upgrade issue. | 17:26 |
| dwalleck | ahh, ignore me then | 17:26 |
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| davidkranz | dwalleck: I think the best thing we can do at the summit is to get blueprints for what we decide needs to get done and really try to | 17:27 |
| davidkranz | get more people involved. | 17:27 |
| dwalleck | agreed | 17:27 |
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| jaypipes | ++ | 17:28 |
| torandu | is there a list of QA/ test pain points that need to be addressed? or is that the summit topic list? | 17:28 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: For the "bringing QA into the open session", I am going to try to get QA people from the major players to show up. | 17:28 |
| davidkranz | torandu: These should be covered by the summit session. If there is something you think is missing, please let me know. | 17:29 |
| jaypipes | torandu: pretty much the same as last summit... a) parallel execution/speeding up test runs, b) monitoring skips over time, c) overcoming limits of nose, d) automating the collection of coverage stats for non-unit tests | 17:30 |
| davidkranz | We have 6 hours of scheduled time. | 17:30 |
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| davidkranz | Anything else? | 17:33 |
| dwalleck | No, just going to review and code | 17:33 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: OK, review and debug for me :) | 17:34 |
| dwalleck | can do | 17:34 |
| torandu | nothing from me at this time. I got the feedback re review 14030. I'll make the changes asap & continue w/ tempest wrk | 17:34 |
| torandu | has anyone taken a look at the grenade code? any initial thoughts on that? | 17:37 |
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| dwalleck | I saw the name in the schedule, but I don't think I've seen the purpose or project code | 17:38 |
| torandu | https://github.com/nebula/grenade | 17:38 |
| davidkranz | torandu: I looked a little. It should solve the upstream part of the upgrade issue. | 17:38 |
| davidkranz | torandu: But not, I think, the rolling upgrade issue which is critical. | 17:39 |
| torandu | ok. is the summit list "the list" or still under review as proposals? | 17:39 |
| davidkranz | torandu: Still under review until tomorrow. | 17:39 |
| davidkranz | I have to step out for three minutes. | 17:40 |
| torandu | ah. ok. presumably, we'll solicit or add more detail once finalized. y/n? | 17:40 |
| dwalleck | And I didn't notice if we them this time around, but last time we free-formed an unconference to go through things not on the schedule | 17:41 |
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| torandu | anything else for now? | 17:45 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: We can do that again. | 17:45 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: I will leave the last Wed session open and we can unconference on Wed afternoon and/or Thur. | 17:46 |
| torandu | that sounds great. I haven't been before, so don't know what to expect. how did you make ppl aware of the unconference topics? | 17:46 |
| davidkranz | torandu: I don't think we did but we should this year. There is a "board" to write them. | 17:47 |
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| torandu | davidkranz: ok. sounds good. I don't want to miss anything. :) | 17:47 |
| davidkranz | torandu: No worries. You are guaranteed to miss things with so much going on at once. | 17:48 |
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| jaypipes | #endmeeting | 17:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 4 17:55:38 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2012/qa.2012-10-04-17.14.html | 17:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2012/qa.2012-10-04-17.14.txt | 17:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2012/qa.2012-10-04-17.14.log.html | 17:55 |
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| ttx | o/ | 21:00 |
| vishy | #startmeeting nova | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 4 21:02:10 2012 UTC. The chair is vishy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:02 |
| * Vek yawns | 21:02 | |
| vishy | who is here? | 21:02 |
| ttx | o/ | 21:02 |
| Vek | o/ | 21:02 |
| sdague | o/ | 21:02 |
| mtreinish | o/ | 21:02 |
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| vishy | #topic Agenda | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda" | 21:02 | |
| jog0 | o/ | 21:03 |
| ttx | if we could start with the design summit sessions... | 21:03 |
| vishy | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/Nova | 21:04 |
| vishy | sure | 21:04 |
| vishy | I was going to ask for people to help review them | 21:04 |
| zykes- | vishy: hey! | 21:04 |
| zykes- | can you help me in getting vnc to work ? :) | 21:04 |
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| ttx | vishy: do you think all the topics are now covered, and you just need to review the existing proposals for inclusion ? | 21:04 |
| vishy | zykes-: not during the meeting no | 21:05 |
| ttx | in which case no need t obe too strict, you have extra room | 21:05 |
| ttx | vishy: I see some potential for merging... | 21:05 |
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| vishy | #topic Summit Session Review | 21:05 |
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| vishy | ttx I don't see anything missing yet | 21:05 |
| ttx | "Nova database archiving strategy" & "Improving Nova's database consistency" | 21:06 |
| ttx | sound like they could fit a single 40min slot | 21:06 |
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| ttx | same for "Scheduler for HPC with OpenStack" and "HPC for OpenStack" | 21:06 |
| ttx | otherwise all the others made sense when I read them | 21:07 |
| ttx | except maybe "Network Application Rate-limiting" but you have more room fr it than Quantum has | 21:07 |
| vishy | the db ones aren't really related, but you might be right that they don't both need 40 min | 21:07 |
| vishy | the HPC ones should be combined i think | 21:08 |
| sdague | vishy: I was surprised in not seeing a service group submission from yun mao, is he not going to be there? | 21:08 |
| maoy | i'm here.. | 21:08 |
| maoy | :) | 21:08 |
| vishy | sdague: interesting yeah that should be a session | 21:08 |
| sdague | maoy: there you are :) | 21:08 |
| vishy | maoy: do you have a session for that? | 21:08 |
| ttx | vishy: you can do that at scheduling time, just accept them both and put a note about the future merging in the reviewers comments | 21:08 |
| maoy | vishy: yeah. distracted from proposing | 21:09 |
| ttx | (merging the two HPC sessions) | 21:09 |
| ttx | note: I'll remove the suggest session button at the end of the day | 21:09 |
| ttx | so better submit now | 21:09 |
| vishy | hehe | 21:09 |
| vishy | maoy: gogogo | 21:09 |
| vishy | maoy: also this seems like it is up your alley; http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/edit/3 | 21:10 |
| ttx | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/3 | 21:10 |
| ttx | edit/3 is 403 for non topic-leads | 21:10 |
| vishy | sorry thx :) | 21:10 |
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| maoy | ttx: i'll submit soon | 21:11 |
| ttx | vishy: looks like you have most bases covered. and a few extra sessions you can use as empty slots to facilitate scheduling | 21:11 |
| vishy | so if anyone else has input on the sessions I could use help | 21:12 |
| sdague | vishy: the other question would be on some of the API consistency discussions, which I know is a can of worms. | 21:12 |
| ttx | vishy: I'll talk to you tomorrow to help you with final approval/scheduling | 21:12 |
| ttx | sdague: we have one api consustency discussion in the process track already | 21:12 |
| vishy | ttx: cool | 21:12 |
| maoy | vishy: reading #3.. sounds like orchestration | 21:12 |
| sdague | ttx: ok cool | 21:12 |
| sdague | that's probably a better place for it then | 21:13 |
| vishy | sdague: oh we should have a session about that, can you propose | 21:13 |
| maoy | vishy: i won't be there for the entire summit though. only mon - wed. | 21:13 |
| vishy | maoy: exactly | 21:13 |
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| sdague | vishy: sure, you want another one for nova beyond the process track? | 21:13 |
| ttx | sdague: see http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/53 | 21:13 |
| ttx | vishy: we don't have any session on openstack API anymore | 21:13 |
| ttx | vishy: deprecation, future, integration of extensions... | 21:14 |
| ttx | used to have one in the Process track but has been abandoned | 21:14 |
| vishy | russellb: are you here? | 21:14 |
| ttx | vishy: redhatters are in some kind of sprint this week | 21:15 |
| maoy | vishy: i think #3 is probably good to cover orchestration. I'll make sure to be there and talk a lot. :) | 21:15 |
| vishy | maoy: great | 21:16 |
| vishy | ok lets move on | 21:16 |
| sdague | ttx: I could see that going either way. I think gabe's session is more cross project, we've got plenty of rough cases within nova. so I'm happy to either propose something if we want a more nova focussed session, or pile in on gabe's session | 21:16 |
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| maoy | vishy: could you schedule #3 and service group (soon to be proposed) mon - wed.. | 21:16 |
| vishy | sdague: we should have a nova session | 21:16 |
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| vishy | to discuss 2.1 vs 3 and timing | 21:16 |
| sdague | vishy: ok, I'll put something in after the meeting | 21:16 |
| vishy | maoy: yes | 21:16 |
| ttx | sdague: I thoini we can use a nova-specific session | 21:16 |
| ttx | think* | 21:17 |
| maoy | vishy: thx | 21:17 |
| vishy | #topic DB migration bug | 21:17 |
| ttx | sdague: gabe's session will be crowded and more orietned twoards consistency | 21:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DB migration bug" | 21:17 | |
| vishy | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova/+bug/1061166 | 21:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1061166 in nova "ec2 instance IDs are broken after folsom upgrade" [High,New] | 21:17 |
| sdague | ttx: agreed | 21:17 |
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| vishy | so this is a pretty nasty bug and the real fix requires a db migration | 21:17 |
| vishy | but we don't have a good way to backport db migrations | 21:18 |
| vishy | dan prince has a session about it | 21:18 |
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| ttx | vishy: I think the fix-in-code is better here | 21:18 |
| vishy | so the issue seems to be that the migration does not set deleted=0 | 21:18 |
| vishy | so as a workaround we are thinking just remove the deleted=0 check when returning values in the db layer | 21:19 |
| vishy | my thought is a) remove the check (backport this one) | 21:19 |
| adam_g | just submited this oneliner to fix that: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/14063/ | 21:19 |
| vishy | b) add a migration to fix the NULLs (don't backport this one) | 21:19 |
| vishy | c) remove the workaround | 21:20 |
| vishy | adam_g: that makes sense to me | 21:20 |
| vishy | I guess we can discuss on the review. When I added it to the agenda, I thought we were going to actually have to do a db migration | 21:20 |
| adam_g | im not certain those unpopulated columns are really even necessary, but if they are (or will be) they should probably be populated via a new migration | 21:21 |
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| vishy | adam_g: i guess there is a small issue of having duplicates right? | 21:22 |
| vishy | if you were running folsom without the patch it would create a second copy of the migration | 21:23 |
| vishy | * of the mapping | 21:23 |
| adam_g | i think if you're already running folsom, the mapping is already broken and you've probably worked around it on your own | 21:24 |
| vishy | adam_g: ok | 21:24 |
| vishy | #topic Bare Metal Discussion | 21:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bare Metal Discussion" | 21:24 | |
| vishy | so I don't know if we have enough core members here to discuss this | 21:24 |
| vishy | but we promised the bm folks that we would be quick to review when they reproposed | 21:25 |
| Vek | Well, I'll just say I've been skipping those patches, largely because of the size and my unfamiliarity... | 21:25 |
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| vishy | and there are things to discuss. I was hoping to discuss it before the summit but maybe it will have to wait | 21:25 |
| sdague | vishy: I think it would be helpful to wait for the summit session, as I think there is a lot to digest there | 21:26 |
| vishy | so it appears that there is only one change needed to the db to support one nova-compute supporting multiple nodes/hypervisors | 21:26 |
| vishy | which is to add a column to the instances table | 21:26 |
| vishy | the main question that needs to be determined is what to do about the bare metal database | 21:26 |
| jog0 | sdague: +1 | 21:26 |
| vishy | well i guess the best plan is just for people to familiarize themselves with the code in advance of the summit then | 21:27 |
| vishy | mainly we need to make a decision about how integrated the bare metal stuff should be with nova | 21:27 |
| sdague | vishy: agreed, I'll carve out a piece of tomorrow afternoon to dive through them personally | 21:27 |
| vishy | this includes the db and the new binaries, whether it should be done with a new api extension, new database, new binaries, using host aggregates, etc. | 21:28 |
| vishy | sdague: great | 21:28 |
| vishy | hopefully we can make some concrete decisions at the summit | 21:28 |
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| vishy | #action nova-core to review bare metal code for decisions at the summit | 21:32 |
| vishy | #topic Open Discussion | 21:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion" | 21:32 | |
| Vek | are we going to reinstate review days at some point? Also, we need more people to keep an eye on novaclient reviews | 21:32 |
| vishy | anyone have anything? | 21:32 |
| sdague | question on nova-manage, and what we should be doing with that going forward | 21:33 |
| vishy | going forward we should get rid of it | 21:33 |
| sdague | I am correct in understanding everything except the db-sync import/export should go away? | 21:33 |
| sdague | ok :) | 21:33 |
| adam_g | NoVNC question. exactly what is this package supposed to provide? it no longer starts a service, as thats handled by nova-novncproxy now. is this correct? | 21:33 |
| jog0 | vishy: any comments on the database soft-delete conversation? | 21:33 |
| vishy | i was actually considering working on a hack project to remove the db-sync as well | 21:33 |
| vishy | adam_g: it provides the html | 21:33 |
| vishy | i think | 21:33 |
| vishy | jog0: i'm for removing it if we have good workarounds | 21:34 |
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| Vek | having a proper audit infrastructure would also be nice on that... | 21:34 |
| vishy | jog0: simple_tenant_usage will break for example | 21:34 |
| sdague | vishy: ok, good. we'll start proposing patches to make it go away. chris yeoh on our team who knows michael still pretty well was going to tackle that. | 21:34 |
| jog0 | vishy: can we assume nova doesn't have to directly take care of keeping record around? | 21:34 |
| vishy | jog0: "keeping record" ? | 21:35 |
| Vek | Q: are we going to reinstate review days at some point? | 21:35 |
| vishy | Vek: wasn't planning on it. Do you think we need it? | 21:35 |
| Vek | Also, we need more people to keep an eye on novaclient reviews; seems like right now these are being handled by vish, jk0, and myself alone... | 21:35 |
| Vek | vishy: I was just wondering. I found it helpful to ensure I did a review day frequently enough to stay core :) | 21:36 |
| sdague | Vek: oh, yeh, I always miss the clients. I'll start trying to remember to look :) | 21:36 |
| Vek | and not being scheduled for a review day is why Dragon was dropped from core. | 21:36 |
| jog0 | vishy: yeah, can it rely on shadow tables or notifications/celimeter? | 21:37 |
| jog0 | vishy: can we rely on ^ for long term record keeping* | 21:37 |
| vishy | jog0: sure | 21:37 |
| Vek | one more note on the soft-deletes issue; I remember someone having a problem due to a flavor that had been hard-deleted from the database--they couldn't get information for making the correct charges for an instance on an old flavor. | 21:38 |
| vishy | Vek: I see. | 21:38 |
| vishy | Vek: that is another thing that needs to be worked around | 21:38 |
| Vek | *nod* | 21:38 |
| vishy | data from flavors needs to be copied into the instances table | 21:38 |
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| jog0 | vishy: right | 21:40 |
| vishy | but if we have good solutions for the workaround I'm ok with removing the soft-delete stuff | 21:40 |
| vishy | * for the issues | 21:40 |
| jog0 | vishy: great | 21:41 |
| Vek | and let me just say that having the devstack tests fail so frequently is starting to get somewhat annoying... | 21:41 |
| vishy | Vek: I don't really see the need to add review days back honestly. If people aren't self-motivated to review, then they don't need +2 rights. If someone can't remember, they can set their own review day. | 21:41 |
| vishy | Vek: I agree on devstack gate, we shoud spend some time trying to fix that | 21:41 |
| Vek | OK, good to know (re review days) | 21:42 |
| vishy | cool i think we are done | 21:43 |
| vishy | #endmeeting | 21:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 4 21:45:16 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-10-04-21.02.html | 21:45 |
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