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17:14:43 <davidkranz> jaypipes, dwalleck : Last chance to add something to the QA summit agenda...?
17:15:08 <davidkranz> jaypipes, dwalleck : I am going to leave one slot open.
17:15:19 <dwalleck> davidkranz: I'd like to, but I'm not exactly sure what would make the most sense
17:15:45 <davidkranz> dwalleck: Just let me know your thoughts and I'll figure out how to fit it in.
17:15:50 <dwalleck> Alot of the things I wanted to discuss are already in a few people's talks
17:15:54 <dwalleck> sure, I can do that
17:16:13 <davidkranz> dwalleck: Remember, there are no talks. It is all discussion.
17:16:30 <dwalleck> Right. Bad wording on my part
17:17:04 <davidkranz> dwalleck: It's more than wording. We can move discussions to different topics as needed.
17:17:22 <davidkranz> dwalleck: Some will need more than 40 minutes, some less.
17:17:22 <jaypipes> davidkranz, dwalleck: the following gets our gate working again: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/14049/
17:17:48 <davidkranz> jaypipes: Great! Will check it out as soon as we're done.
17:17:54 <dwalleck> same here
17:17:56 <jaypipes> it builds on torandu's patches.
17:20:22 <torandu> Good morning. sorry for running late today
17:20:34 <jaypipes> no worries
17:20:38 <dwalleck> no problem
17:21:30 <torandu> is there an agenda for the meeting?
17:21:46 <davidkranz> I don't have much more to report. I've been fighting to upgrade a live cluster to Folsom.
17:22:20 <davidkranz> There is a session on this and we (openstack) really need to do better.
17:23:15 <dwalleck> davidkranz: I know. We were doing well for awhile, but then I know I slacked pretty bad
17:23:57 <davidkranz> dwalleck: What did you have to do with the current situation?
17:24:30 <dwalleck> Right now my priorities are swift branch -> nova admin api tests -> instance verification additions
17:24:58 <davidkranz> dwalleck: I think the problem is that openstack upstream is not doing a good enough job of describing how a live cluster could be upgraded.
17:25:15 <davidkranz> And then each distro introduces its own complications.
17:25:42 <dwalleck> davidkranz: Maybe I misunderstood. I thought you were referring to better planning, and I was referring to the fact that I know I wasn't able to fufil my meeting captain responsibilities for a few months
17:25:42 <davidkranz> But we can discuss this at the summit.
17:26:00 <davidkranz> dwalleck: No, I was referring to the upgrade issue.
17:26:11 <dwalleck> ahh, ignore me then
17:27:24 <davidkranz> dwalleck: I think the best thing we can do at the summit is to get blueprints for what we decide needs to get done and really try to
17:27:28 <davidkranz> get more people involved.
17:27:54 <dwalleck> agreed
17:28:34 <jaypipes> ++
17:28:50 <torandu> is there a list of QA/ test pain points that need to be addressed? or is that the summit topic list?
17:28:58 <davidkranz> dwalleck: For the "bringing QA into the open session", I am going to try to get QA people from the major players to show up.
17:29:38 <davidkranz> torandu: These should be covered by the summit session. If there is something you think is missing, please let me know.
17:30:00 <jaypipes> torandu: pretty much the same as last summit... a) parallel execution/speeding up test runs, b) monitoring skips over time, c) overcoming limits of nose, d) automating the collection of coverage stats for non-unit tests
17:30:06 <davidkranz> We have 6 hours of scheduled time.
17:33:06 <davidkranz> Anything else?
17:33:32 <dwalleck> No, just going to review and code
17:34:10 <davidkranz> dwalleck: OK, review and debug for me :)
17:34:20 <dwalleck> can do
17:34:30 <torandu> nothing from me at this time. I got the feedback re review 14030. I'll make the changes asap & continue w/ tempest wrk
17:37:30 <torandu> has anyone taken a look at the grenade code? any initial thoughts on that?
17:38:01 <dwalleck> I saw the name in the schedule, but I don't think I've seen the purpose or project code
17:38:07 <torandu> https://github.com/nebula/grenade
17:38:32 <davidkranz> torandu: I looked a little. It should solve the upstream part of the upgrade issue.
17:39:08 <davidkranz> torandu: But not, I think, the rolling upgrade issue which is critical.
17:39:39 <torandu> ok. is the summit list "the list" or still under review as proposals?
17:39:55 <davidkranz> torandu: Still under review until tomorrow.
17:40:27 <davidkranz> I have to step out for three minutes.
17:40:29 <torandu> ah. ok. presumably, we'll solicit or add more detail once finalized. y/n?
17:41:13 <dwalleck> And I didn't notice if we them this time around, but last time we free-formed an unconference to go through things not on the schedule
17:45:12 <torandu> anything else for now?
17:45:21 <davidkranz> dwalleck: We can do that again.
17:46:24 <davidkranz> dwalleck: I will leave the last Wed session open and we can unconference on Wed afternoon and/or Thur.
17:46:29 <torandu> that sounds great. I haven't been before, so don't know what to expect. how did you make ppl aware of the unconference topics?
17:47:19 <davidkranz> torandu: I don't think we did but we should this year. There is a "board" to write them.
17:47:38 <torandu> davidkranz: ok. sounds good. I don't want to miss anything. :)
17:48:15 <davidkranz> torandu: No worries. You are guaranteed to miss things with so much going on at once.
17:55:38 <jaypipes> #endmeeting