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| masahito | hi all. time to blazar meeting | 09:03 |
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| masahito | #startmeeting blazar | 09:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 21 09:03:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is masahito. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'blazar' | 09:03 |
| GeraldK | o/ | 09:03 |
| masahito | #chair hiro-kobayashi | 09:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hiro-kobayashi masahito | 09:03 |
| masahito | sorry, late starting. | 09:03 |
| hiro-kobayashi | o/ | 09:03 |
| masahito | GeraldK: hi | 09:03 |
| GeraldK | hi Masa and Hiro | 09:04 |
| hiro-kobayashi | hi! | 09:04 |
| r-mibu | hi | 09:04 |
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| tejaswi | hi | 09:04 |
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| masahito | today's agenda is following: | 09:04 |
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| masahito | 1. stable/branch | 09:04 |
| masahito | 2. Boston summit | 09:05 |
| masahito | anything else? | 09:05 |
| masahito | r-mibu: tejaswi: hi | 09:06 |
| tejaswi | hi masahito | 09:06 |
| masahito | pierre is out of town in two weeks. | 09:06 |
| r-mibu | hi masahito, nothing from my side | 09:06 |
| masahito | let's move on first topic. | 09:06 |
| masahito | #topic stable/branch | 09:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stable/branch (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:07 | |
| masahito | I read last meeting and saw discussion about stable branch | 09:07 |
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| masahito | I'm planning to create stable branch for backporting. | 09:08 |
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| masahito | However, I have some technical trouble to create the branch now. so it's delayed. | 09:09 |
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| GeraldK | masahito: thanks for the notice and no problem with the delay | 09:09 |
| masahito | Once I resolve the problem, I cut the branch from the commit tagged 0.2.0. | 09:10 |
| masahito | GeraldK: thank. I'll try to do it as much as possible. | 09:10 |
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| masahito | any other comments? | 09:11 |
| masahito | ok. move on next. | 09:12 |
| masahito | #topic Boston Summit | 09:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Boston Summit (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:12 | |
| masahito | I'm thinking it's good for us to gather and meeting in Boston Summit. | 09:13 |
| masahito | Who do you plan to go there? | 09:14 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | o/ | 09:14 |
| r-mibu | o/ | 09:14 |
| masahito | of course, the summit will be held in almost 2 month. So we can schedule the day later :) | 09:14 |
| GeraldK | I'll particiapte | 09:15 |
| masahito | It looks like some of us join the summit. | 09:16 |
| masahito | And I saw some talks regarding to blazar are accepted. | 09:17 |
| masahito | https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/global-search?t=blazar | 09:17 |
| masahito | Congrats, all! | 09:18 |
| masahito | for the summit, that's all from my side. | 09:18 |
| masahito | anything else for the topic? | 09:19 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | When should we compose a presentation? | 09:19 |
| GeraldK | it's great the talks had been accepted. | 09:19 |
| GeraldK | Arun had sent an email to presenters and he'd going to lead the one presentation preparation | 09:20 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | Great! | 09:20 |
| GeraldK | the earlier we start preparing the better... | 09:21 |
| masahito | PWG will send the slide template to the project update session later. | 09:21 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | Okay | 09:21 |
| masahito | Once I receive it I'll share it. | 09:21 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | thanks | 09:21 |
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| masahito | #topic open discussion | 09:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:23 | |
| masahito | Today's agenda is passed all. | 09:23 |
| GeraldK | no other topic from my side. | 09:24 |
| GeraldK | how was the meeting last week? | 09:24 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | I want to discuss my SPEC | 09:24 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445270/ | 09:25 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | I'm thinking of alternative now | 09:25 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | It's about the event. Add new event "action_before_end" or use existing event "on_end". | 09:26 |
| GeraldK | "action_before_end" IMHO makes sense | 09:26 |
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| hiro-kobayashi_ | GeraldK: Yes, and alternative is to use status of on_end | 09:27 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | The alternative is : Blazar triggers on_end action "safety_time" before the end | 09:27 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | and make the on_end event status to INPROGRESS | 09:28 |
| GeraldK | I would prefer the "action_before_end" as there is also some action_on_end i.e. kill the leftover instances | 09:28 |
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| hiro-kobayashi_ | and update the status after finishing the actions like snapshot, deletions | 09:28 |
| GeraldK | that way it would be a more clean separation. | 09:28 |
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| hiro-kobayashi_ | GeraldK: Thanks you for the comment. That makes sense. | 09:29 |
| GeraldK | however, as Masahito mentioned in his review, we could omit this new "action_before_end" for now (for this patch) | 09:30 |
| masahito | hiro-kobayashi_: do you have Pors/Cons for "on_end" way? | 09:30 |
| GeraldK | and focus only on chaning the behavior at "on end" from keep running to delete instances. | 09:30 |
| masahito | s/for "on_end" way/for "on_end" and "action_before_end" way/ | 09:31 |
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| GeraldK | the "delete instances" is highest prio, the other changes IMHO are nice to have | 09:31 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | masahito: I think "action_before_end" is easy to understand | 09:31 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | masahito: But needs a lot modification | 09:32 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | GeraldK: Yes. We have to change it for the first. | 09:33 |
| masahito | hiro-kobayashi_: the simplicity is some action at before_end then delete all instances anyway, right? | 09:33 |
| GeraldK | hiro-kobayashi: I have some concerns about the "needs a lot modification". should we first address the "on_end" behavior only? | 09:33 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | Right. before_end is for actions like snapshot, migration. And on_end is for force-deletion. | 09:33 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | GeraldK: Yes, it's better. | 09:34 |
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| masahito | but, the on_end action is configurable now. | 09:34 |
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| GeraldK | so we just have to change the "default option"? | 09:35 |
| masahito | the good point for the "on_end" way is just switching the on_end action. | 09:35 |
| GeraldK | another "before_end" action I have in mind is a notification to the user of the lease that end time is approaching | 09:36 |
| masahito | GeraldK: or we need to disable the option to achieve "anyway delete the instance". | 09:36 |
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| GeraldK | masahito: yes. | 09:37 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | GeraldK: Yes. And before_end notification is implemented in current Blazar | 09:37 |
| masahito | GeraldK: like this? 1. send "before_end" notification 2. snapshot, migrate or somehow the instances 3. delete the instances? | 09:38 |
| GeraldK | masahito: yes. | 09:38 |
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| hiro-kobayashi_ | masahito: I agree | 09:39 |
| GeraldK | hiro-kobayashi: is there already a "before_end" action implemented for this notification? | 09:39 |
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| hiro-kobayashi_ | GeraldK: yes | 09:39 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | GeraldK: default "before_end" time is 2 days before on_end | 09:39 |
| GeraldK | okay. I was not aware. so you spec was proposing to extend those "before_end" with different options? | 09:39 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | My proposal is change the current "before_end" to "before_end_notification" and add new "before_end_action" event | 09:40 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | But it needs a lot modification | 09:41 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | So, alternative is: | 09:41 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | Trigger actions like snapshot at "safety_time" before on_end | 09:41 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | And update the on_end event "INPROGRESS" at the time | 09:42 |
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| hiro-kobayashi_ | And after finishing action like snapshot, deletes instances. And update the on_end "COMPLETED" | 09:42 |
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| hiro-kobayashi_ | The alternative makes less impact for code base | 09:43 |
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| GeraldK | if that has less impact, this approach is also fine for me. | 09:43 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | GeraldK: OK. Anyway I'll update the SPEC. Please review it | 09:44 |
| masahito | The approach makes sense for me. | 09:44 |
| masahito | because of no change in current event name. | 09:45 |
| GeraldK | okay. I will wait for the update then review | 09:45 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | Yes, please. thanks! | 09:45 |
| masahito | hiro-kobayashi_: okay. | 09:45 |
| masahito | As a summary of the discussion, I feel the needs for events sound like 'A event happens then the event takes one action or sends a notification." | 09:46 |
| masahito | "and the action should be configurable." | 09:46 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | Yes | 09:46 |
| masahito | ok, I'll also wait the update of the spec! | 09:48 |
| masahito | It was nice discussion. | 09:48 |
| masahito | anything else? | 09:48 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | Nothing from my side | 09:49 |
| GeraldK | anything from the openstack operator meeting last week worth noting related to Promise | 09:50 |
| masahito | GeraldK: oh, sorry. I missed your previous comment | 09:51 |
| masahito | no update from the meeting. | 09:51 |
| GeraldK | okay. | 09:52 |
| masahito | related to Promise thing. | 09:52 |
| masahito | we can finish the meeting 7 mins early. | 09:53 |
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| GeraldK | thanks. bye. | 09:54 |
| masahito | thanks, all! | 09:54 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | thanks! bye | 09:54 |
| masahito | #endmeeting | 09:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 21 09:54:54 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2017/blazar.2017-03-21-09.03.html | 09:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2017/blazar.2017-03-21-09.03.txt | 09:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2017/blazar.2017-03-21-09.03.log.html | 09:54 |
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| beagles | bulb blows | 13:59 |
| EmilienM | damn it | 14:00 |
| beagles | ;) | 14:00 |
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| ccamacho | hey guys! | 14:00 |
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| chem | o/ | 14:00 |
| ccamacho | \o/ | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 21 14:00:38 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | #topic agenda | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:00 |
| d0ugal | Hello! | 14:00 |
| adarazs | o/ | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
| rbrady | hey | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * review past action items | 14:00 |
| beagles | o/ | 14:00 |
| bogdando | \o | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * one off agenda items | 14:00 |
| fultonj | o/ | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * bugs | 14:00 |
| weshay_sick | o/ | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * CI | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * Specs | 14:00 |
| jrist | o/ | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * Week roadmap | 14:00 |
| ccamacho | :) | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | * open discussion | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | Anyone can use the #link, #action and #info commands, not just the moderatorǃ | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | Hi everyone! who is around today? | 14:01 |
| marios | hello o/ | 14:01 |
| jpich | o/ | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | weshay_sick: you still sick? I thought I told you to dress something when you sleep :P | 14:01 |
| mwhahaha | o/ | 14:01 |
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| florianf | o/ | 14:01 |
| matbu | o/ | 14:01 |
| jistr | o/ | 14:01 |
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| shadower | hey | 14:01 |
| mandre | o/ | 14:01 |
| panda|pto | that spawns sooo many questions | 14:02 |
| sshnaidm | o/ | 14:02 |
| panda|pto | (I'm not present today) | 14:02 |
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| dprince | hi | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | ok let's start | 14:02 |
| cdearborn | o/ | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | #topic review past action items | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review past action items (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:03 | |
| EmilienM | team to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443964 and comment ML thread about it: still WIP | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | sshnaidm: ^ | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | sshnaidm: any blocker so far? | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | team to review plan import/export patches. akrivoka: did you have enough reviews? | 14:04 |
| sshnaidm | EmilienM, yeah, we are discussing it in ML actually | 14:04 |
| EmilienM | sshnaidm: excellent if things are moving | 14:04 |
| EmilienM | marios check with marius if https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1661347 is still valid or has been fixed: done (thanks shardy for doing it) | 14:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1661347 in tripleo "During Newton->Ocata upgrade pattern is ignored in the 'Stop Ceph Mon' task in ceph-mon upgrade" [Critical,Fix released] - Assigned to Giulio Fidente (gfidente) | 14:04 |
| sshnaidm | EmilienM, and there are blockers from pabelanger, no sure the thing move actually.. | 14:04 |
| EmilienM | EmilienM to follow-up on DIB thread and propose the change in Governance: done : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445617/ - need more discussion | 14:04 |
| marios | EmilienM: yah that one was done in the meeting (the /+bug/1661347 thanks shardy ) | 14:05 |
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| EmilienM | sshnaidm: is there anything we can do? | 14:05 |
| trown | o/ | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | sshnaidm: i see the proposal of using RDO zuul | 14:05 |
| sshnaidm | EmilienM, yeah, I'd like you comment in ML what you think.. | 14:05 |
| sshnaidm | EmilienM, I'm not sure it's a solution | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | ok I'll look at it asap today | 14:06 |
| sshnaidm | EmilienM, and I'm not sure that issues that were raised there are real issues | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | #action EmilienM to look more closely the thread about periodic jobs | 14:06 |
| sshnaidm | EmilienM, thanks | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | ok, moving on | 14:07 |
| EmilienM | #topic one off agenda items | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "one off agenda items (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:07 | |
| EmilienM | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items | 14:07 |
| EmilienM | I want to talk about moving DIB out of TripleO https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445617/ | 14:07 |
| jtomasek | o/ | 14:07 |
| EmilienM | shardy, bnemec: it sounds like dib-utils might not be ready to be removed | 14:08 |
| EmilienM | can we at least move dib itself out of tripleo, and figure dib-utils in another patch (and start actions on the second item?) | 14:08 |
| shardy | EmilienM: yeah it sounds like o-r-c still needs it, unless we also bundle the script with o-r-c like dib is doing? | 14:09 |
| shardy | it's pretty simple, perhaps we should modify o-r-c to do it all in python | 14:09 |
| shardy | but yeah for now I think we need dib-utils | 14:09 |
| EmilienM | ok so are you ok to 1. keep dib-utils now and figure out what to do in shorterm and 2. move out dib | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | shardy, bnemec ^ ? | 14:10 |
| shardy | yeah I think we agreed on the ML moving dib is good, but we need dib-utils | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | #action EmilienM to update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445617/ to keep dib-utils part of TripleO for now and keep moving out DIB out of TripleO | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | any other item for this week before we move on? | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | ok moving on to bugs | 14:12 |
| EmilienM | #topic bugs | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:12 | |
| EmilienM | #link https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/pike-1 | 14:12 |
| EmilienM | I want to review and inform about critical bugs this week: | 14:12 |
| EmilienM | #link | 14:12 |
| EmilienM | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.importance%3Alist=CRITICAL&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.milestone%3Alist=80593&field.tag=&field.ta | 14:12 |
| EmilienM | gs_combinator=ANY&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on&search=Search | 14:12 |
| EmilienM | well the link broke, let me try again | 14:12 |
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| EmilienM | #link https://goo.gl/ZhrWJ8 | 14:13 |
| EmilienM | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1669452 | 14:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1669452 in tripleo "Glance and Neutron worker defaults not working" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Brent Eagles (beagles) | 14:13 |
| EmilienM | beagles needs a review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425423/ | 14:13 |
| EmilienM | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1669462 | 14:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1669462 in tripleo "puppet package versions break ocata deployments and upgrades to pike" [Critical,Triaged] | 14:13 |
| EmilienM | shardy: do we have any progress so far ? I think we're still in stale situation | 14:14 |
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| marios | EmilienM: going to move https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1656791 to Fix Released (is in ocata see comment #7 landed master before ocata branched) | 14:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1656791 in tripleo "Mitaka to Newton undercloud upgrade needs "nova db online_data_migrations" after the undercloud upgrade" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Marios Andreou (marios-b) | 14:14 |
| shardy | EmilienM: matbu just mentioned the upgrade jobs are still broken so I guess not, but we need to sync up with #rdo folks to find an eta for the proposed workaround | 14:15 |
| mwhahaha | EmilienM: the puppet packages shouldn't break things anymore but can't vouch for any of the other openstack packages | 14:15 |
| EmilienM | marios: ok so no need of backport | 14:15 |
| marios | EmilienM: rigiht | 14:15 |
| mwhahaha | EmilienM: since we bumped all the puppet metadata to use -dev | 14:15 |
| EmilienM | shardy: can you take action on this one please? | 14:15 |
| shardy | EmilienM: I can follow up on it sure | 14:15 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: right, I'm more concerned about all other packages | 14:15 |
| EmilienM | shardy: thanks | 14:15 |
| EmilienM | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1671119 | 14:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1671119 in tripleo "haproxy start will fail on selinux enabled systems due to unix stat socket" [Critical,Triaged] - Assigned to Michele Baldessari (michele) | 14:15 |
| EmilienM | sounds like bandini has it under control, I had to rebase patch but nothing is blocking now | 14:16 |
| EmilienM | bandini: do you need backport to newton too? | 14:16 |
| EmilienM | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1673282 | 14:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1673282 in tripleo "quickstart logging: implement compliance with infra requirements" [Critical,Triaged] | 14:16 |
| EmilienM | panda|pto: any progress on this one? ^ | 14:16 |
| EmilienM | adarazs, sshnaidm: ^ you too | 14:16 |
| sshnaidm | EmilienM, I think we covered most of them | 14:17 |
| adarazs | EmilienM: I think panda|pto had a change that addressed most of theproblems. | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1674026 (under control) | 14:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1674026 in tripleo "stable/ocata scenario001-multinode-oooq failing with missing panko-dbsync command" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Emilien Macchi (emilienm) | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | sshnaidm, adarazs: please update the bug report then. | 14:17 |
| sshnaidm | EmilienM, ok | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1674067 (under control by adarazs) | 14:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1674067 in tripleo "newton: tripleo-quickstart jobs don't build packages from stable/newton" [Critical,Triaged] - Assigned to Attila Darazs (adarazs) | 14:17 |
| adarazs | I think this was not updated again because of the broken gerrit-launchpad stuff. | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1674236 (under control by jroll) | 14:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1674236 in tripleo "CI / promotion: Nova isn't aware of the nodes that were registered with Ironic" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Emilien Macchi (emilienm) | 14:18 |
| marios | EmilienM: for https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1673447 the ocata cherrypick at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446506/ is waiting for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444338/ for ci (your comment there) | 14:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1673447 in tripleo "Cleanup no longer used upgrade files" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Marios Andreou (marios-b) | 14:18 |
| jroll | achievement unlocked: tripleo meeting shoutout | 14:18 |
| adarazs | that stable branch one should be resolved soon. | 14:18 |
| EmilienM | I'm also taking care of following ^ to take actions if things need to be changed in TripleO wrt nova config | 14:18 |
| EmilienM | jroll: \o/ | 14:18 |
| EmilienM | marios: ok | 14:18 |
| EmilienM | marios: no, not related | 14:19 |
| EmilienM | marios: my patch is only for scenario001 and 002 | 14:19 |
| EmilienM | marios: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446506/ must be failing for another reason | 14:19 |
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| EmilienM | marios: have you looked at logs? | 14:19 |
| marios | EmilienM: ok... it was your comment i mean "please don't do recheck, we need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444338/ first" | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | marios: yeah but I was prob wrong | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | marios: the patch is failing on http://logs.openstack.org/06/446506/1/check/gate-tripleo-ci-centos-7-nonha-multinode-oooq/c5bd561/console.html#_2017-03-17_10_08_13_172813 | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | needs more investigation | 14:20 |
| marios | EmilienM: i am pretty sure i did look at the logs at some point, but that review is removing files that aren't used in the job/workflow at all | 14:20 |
| marios | EmilienM: ok i can have a look, may have missed something | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | #action marios to investigate why https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446506/ is failing | 14:20 |
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| EmilienM | marios: yeah, probably a transient error but would be great to be investigated | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | marios: if you file anything, please let me know | 14:21 |
| marios | EmilienM: sure thanks | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | and the last one: | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1674681 | 14:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1674681 in tripleo "centos.org repositories are unreliable" [Critical,Triaged] | 14:21 |
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| EmilienM | reported this morning by /me | 14:21 |
| bogdando | I commented few idea | 14:21 |
| bogdando | ideas | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | we're having this one for months but nobody took real actions until now | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | I started to work on https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:cbs/https | 14:22 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: interesting | 14:22 |
| bogdando | I've implemented that as puppet provider (rejected upstream), the same could be done for ansible or name it | 14:23 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: /join #rdo and we'll discuss about it post meeting | 14:23 |
| bogdando | but I'm yet to know details, which tool exactly suffers from that issue | 14:23 |
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| EmilienM | bogdando: yum from a bash script from an ansible task from a bash script | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | that's all for Critical bugs targeted for Pike-1 | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | do we have any other bug to discuss this week? | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | a lot of triage has to be done on blueprints / bugs for pike-1: https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/pike-1 | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | if anyone wants to help me, that's would be nice, thanks | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | 3 New, 4 Incomplete, 4 Invalid, 1 Won't Fix, 2 Confirmed, 157 Triaged, 80 In Progress, 4 Fix Committed, 56 Fix Released | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | and blueprints: | 14:26 |
| EmilienM | 12 Unknown, 13 Not started, 6 Started, 3 Slow progress, 11 Good progress, 7 Needs Code Review, 1 Implemented | 14:26 |
| shardy | EmilienM: I'll try to help out - I've used scripts in the past to auto-defer e.g all not in-progress bugs | 14:26 |
| EmilienM | shardy: defer to pike-2? | 14:27 |
| shardy | EmilienM: yeah, we could just defer anything not in progress to pike-2 | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | yeah I have the script too, but I'm not sure we should do that at this stage (maybe?) | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | pike-1 is Apr 10 - Apr 14 | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | I'll probably start defering next week | 14:28 |
| shardy | EmilienM: I'm just looking at the numbers - we should probably prioritize landing those things already in progress pretty soon | 14:28 |
| shardy | but yeah I guess we can wait until next week | 14:28 |
| shardy | 157 Triaged | 14:28 |
| EmilienM | #action team to review https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/pike-1 and prioritize in progress work | 14:28 |
| EmilienM | #action team to postpone Triaged bugs to pike-2 next week | 14:29 |
| EmilienM | if no other bug to discuss, moving on | 14:29 |
| EmilienM | #topic projects releases or stable backports | 14:29 |
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| bkero | adarazs: re: broken newton package building: https://review.openstack.org/447747 | 14:29 |
| EmilienM | so the next release should be pike-1 in ~3 weeks | 14:30 |
| adarazs | bkero: that should be solved once https://review.openstack.org/447530 (build-test-packages: fix distgit branch naming) merges, which depends on https://review.openstack.org/447993 (Don't use string parsing when detecting deploy result) -- they have both +2 and +w, just waiting for the gates to finish running. | 14:30 |
| EmilienM | do we have any question or comment about release management & stable backports? | 14:31 |
| EmilienM | stable/newton CI is currently down because of quickstart but it's WIP | 14:31 |
| EmilienM | stable/ocata CI is very unstable, but we're also working on it | 14:31 |
| bkero | adarazs: Awesome, we both wrote it. | 14:31 |
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| bkero | I didn't see yours linked to from the bug yesterday when I made my effort. | 14:32 |
| EmilienM | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1674026 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1674067 are the 2 bugs to follow | 14:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1674026 in tripleo "stable/ocata scenario001-multinode-oooq failing with missing panko-dbsync command" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Emilien Macchi (emilienm) | 14:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1674067 in tripleo "newton: tripleo-quickstart jobs don't build packages from stable/newton" [Critical,Triaged] - Assigned to Attila Darazs (adarazs) | 14:32 |
| EmilienM | anything else about release before we move on to CI topic? | 14:32 |
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| EmilienM | #topic CI | 14:33 |
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| EmilienM | I think we already covered all bugs related to CI | 14:33 |
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| adarazs | yep... | 14:33 |
| EmilienM | adarazs: any update to give (that we haven't said yet in this meeting)? | 14:33 |
| adarazs | no, it should be working after that two changes merge. | 14:33 |
| EmilienM | let me put a quick summary of CI status : | 14:33 |
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| EmilienM | 1. Promotion is blocked by a regression in Nova for now https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1674236 | 14:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1674236 in tripleo "CI / promotion: Nova isn't aware of the nodes that were registered with Ironic" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Emilien Macchi (emilienm) | 14:34 |
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| EmilienM | 2. Upgrade jobs on master are broken because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1669462 | 14:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1669462 in tripleo "puppet package versions break ocata deployments and upgrades to pike" [Critical,Triaged] | 14:34 |
| EmilienM | 3. stable/ocata jobs are unstable because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1674681 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1674026 | 14:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1674681 in tripleo "centos.org repositories are unreliable" [Critical,Triaged] | 14:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1674026 in tripleo "stable/ocata scenario001-multinode-oooq failing with missing panko-dbsync command" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Emilien Macchi (emilienm) | 14:35 |
| EmilienM | 4. stable/newton jobs are broken because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1674067 | 14:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1674067 in tripleo "newton: tripleo-quickstart jobs don't build packages from stable/newton" [Critical,Triaged] - Assigned to Attila Darazs (adarazs) | 14:35 |
| EmilienM | and 5. all jobs can break anytime because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1674681 | 14:35 |
| EmilienM | so before doing recheck, please look at the logs | 14:35 |
| EmilienM | and if you don't know where to find relevant logs, please ping me, adarazs, sshnaidm, panda|pto, bkero, trown if it's a question for quickstart | 14:36 |
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| EmilienM | any comment / question about CI this week? | 14:36 |
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| EmilienM | oh and if anyone is willing to help, that is always welcome... | 14:36 |
| adarazs | EmilienM: + apparently the output of a successful overcloud deployment changed in master, on which Quickstart was relying... so until https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447993/ merges the master branch oooq jobs will fail too :/ | 14:37 |
| adarazs | but it's very close to merging. | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | ah and that also | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | yeah | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | #topic specs | 14:37 |
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| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | I'll repeat what we said next week but we need to review the specs before pike-1, it would be great | 14:38 |
| ccamacho | EmilienM for the new oooq CI jobs is there any guide about how the files organization? I mean i.e. subnode-1 should be the undercloud or subnode-2. | 14:39 |
| EmilienM | anyone wants to tlk about a specific spec now? | 14:39 |
| weshay_sick | ccamacho, it's in progress | 14:39 |
| EmilienM | ccamacho: subnode-2 shouldn't exist. It's subnode1 | 14:39 |
| EmilienM | but yeah, afik they're working on providing the doc in the logs | 14:40 |
| EmilienM | weshay_sick: any bug report / patch we can follow to know progress? | 14:40 |
| ccamacho | EmilienM but it does :P, also, i.e. where is now postci.txt.gz | 14:40 |
| ccamacho | ack weshay_sick thanks! | 14:40 |
| weshay_sick | I'll open a bug so you guys can follow it | 14:40 |
| ccamacho | awesome | 14:40 |
| EmilienM | any comments on specs before we move on? please please review the specs, if you're tripleo core | 14:41 |
| shardy | yeah any docs on the CI logs would be good, it's taking me a while to find things since we changed to oooq | 14:41 |
| shardy | in particular I miss the postci log, that was always super-helpful | 14:41 |
| EmilienM | right, it's not obvious which log file to check when a specific ansible task is failing | 14:41 |
| EmilienM | I saw postci somewhere, let me find it | 14:42 |
| beagles | +1 on that | 14:42 |
| sshnaidm | shardy, postci log is in /undercloud/var/log | 14:42 |
| ccamacho | we miss you postci xD | 14:42 |
| ccamacho | cool | 14:42 |
| shardy | sshnaidm: Ok can we link that from the top-level logs dir? | 14:42 |
| bogdando | hint: ignore_errors: true may be replaced by failed_when: false for the most of the cases | 14:42 |
| EmilienM | in logs/undercloud/var/log/postci.txt.gz | 14:42 |
| bogdando | this keeps the build log less RED | 14:42 |
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| sshnaidm | shardy, yeah, I can copy it there | 14:42 |
| shardy | a few small changes like that would make a big difference to those familiar with the old jobs I think | 14:42 |
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| EmilienM | bogdando: please submit patches or it will be trashed in this meeting | 14:43 |
| bogdando | ok) | 14:43 |
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| trown | shardy: ya that is the focus for the ci-squad over moving more jobs over | 14:43 |
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| adarazs | shardy: that's one of our focus now after the transition, so just keep the suggestions coming, we'll fix these up. | 14:43 |
| shardy | trown: ack good to know :) | 14:43 |
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| shardy | adarazs: cool, thanks! | 14:43 |
| EmilienM | #topic open discussion | 14:43 |
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| EmilienM | if you have any question or feedback, please go for it now | 14:44 |
| bogdando | For containerized OpenStack, shall we not put logs into docker volumes (tht templates)?.. -v log:/var/log is not a good for each of the multiple containers, it uses COW, and is slow. IMO all should log to stdout only, each containerized service is ran by the foreground command AFAIK, should not a problem. | 14:45 |
| bogdando | not be* | 14:45 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: how would it work with our opstools that read logfiles? | 14:46 |
| bogdando | also, I'm not sure how a single docker volume "log" would handle simultaneous writes to overlapping files! | 14:46 |
| bogdando | they should switch to fluentd or the like | 14:46 |
| EmilienM | flaper87, dprince, jistr, mandre ^ thoughts? | 14:46 |
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| EmilienM | bogdando: we already use fluentd | 14:47 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: see the logging profiles in TripleO | 14:47 |
| bogdando | IIUC, it can collect from containers stdout | 14:47 |
| bogdando | but this should be tested | 14:47 |
| dprince | bogdando: we could just bind mount to a host dir, and avoid the COW penalty | 14:47 |
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| dprince | bogdando: dirty, but would solve the performance issue I think | 14:48 |
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| shardy | yeah we need to solve for the fluentd case but also for local development and CI | 14:48 |
| bogdando | dprince: right, but still, several containers may want to write the same log file | 14:48 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: you might want to talk with larks and mmagr about this one | 14:48 |
| shardy | what happens to the history if we just log to stdout in the containers? | 14:48 |
| bogdando | shardy: it should survive to ES cluster or what backend fluentd has | 14:48 |
| dprince | bogdando: with our services right now I think there would be little overlap here. Perhaps just apache and we mostly have control of that already | 14:48 |
| shardy | bogdando: most developers don't have an ELK stack, neither does CI | 14:49 |
| shardy | so that dependency should be considered optional | 14:49 |
| EmilienM | right, we need to collect logs into a file and store it | 14:49 |
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| bogdando | well, host path should work as well, if there is no corrupted overlaps | 14:49 |
| shardy | bogdando: ack, cool, I'm just saying lets keep local logging as an option | 14:49 |
| bogdando | ack | 14:50 |
| dprince | bogdando: there may be some, but not many. I like moving towards console logging too. But local for now doesn't break things | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | bogdando: I've a patch for logs that might need to be revisited based on this | 14:50 |
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| flaper87 | but there's also the need to integrate well with fluentd | 14:50 |
| bogdando | we could mount not /var/logs but /var/logs/{{ service_name}} | 14:51 |
| bogdando | s/not/from | 14:51 |
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| flaper87 | I think, eventually, we should log to /var/log and also stdout | 14:51 |
| EmilienM | flaper87: can we file a launchpad bug for the fluentd case and maybe assign it to opstools folks (not in this meeting sadly) | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | EmilienM: yes, will do that | 14:51 |
| EmilienM | flaper87: merci | 14:51 |
| bogdando | err, I mean -v /var/logs/foo/:/var/logs/ | 14:51 |
| bogdando | so no overlaps | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | bogdando: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442603/ | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | that's the patch that might need to be revisited | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | feel free to update it yourself | 14:52 |
| bogdando | ok thanks | 14:52 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: thanks for bringing this up, super important | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | but, TBH, I think we need to get to the bottom of the slownes for these volumes | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | mounting host dirs can't always be the answer :( | 14:53 |
| EmilienM | any other topic for this week before I close the meeting? | 14:53 |
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| bogdando | I raised that cuz IIRC, once upon a time, the fuel scale lab team had discovered keystone *major* degradation cuz of slow syslog setup | 14:54 |
| bogdando | so COW plays as well here | 14:54 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: interesting, thanks for sharing | 14:54 |
| bogdando | serious things :) | 14:54 |
| EmilienM | yep, let's take some actions on that | 14:55 |
| EmilienM | #action flaper87 to file a bug in tripleo assigned to opstools for fluentd to read logs from containers | 14:55 |
| EmilienM | #action bogdando to followup on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442603/ and update if needed | 14:55 |
| EmilienM | thanks everyone | 14:55 |
| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 14:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 21 14:56:03 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2017/tripleo.2017-03-21-14.00.html | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2017/tripleo.2017-03-21-14.00.txt | 14:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2017/tripleo.2017-03-21-14.00.log.html | 14:56 |
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| flaper87 | EmilienM: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1674715 | 14:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1674715 in tripleo "Collect containerized services logs on fluentd" [High,New] | 14:57 |
| EmilienM | flaper87: thx | 14:57 |
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| EmilienM | flaper87: i'll assign it and send email | 14:57 |
| flaper87 | EmilienM: I assigned it | 14:58 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:58 |
| EmilienM | flaper87: can you send an email to him and mmagr also, to make sure they are aware about it. Thanks | 14:58 |
| flaper87 | yes | 14:58 |
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| tmorin | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 21 15:01:33 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:01 |
| pcarver | hi | 15:01 |
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| tmorin | hi pcarver ! | 15:01 |
| tmorin | let's see who else is around... | 15:02 |
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| tmorin | matrohon ? doude ? timirnich ? lhinds ? | 15:02 |
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| doude | hi | 15:03 |
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| tmorin | ok, let's start | 15:04 |
| tmorin | here is what I have as an agenda: | 15:04 |
| tmorin | a) neutron-lib related work | 15:04 |
| tmorin | b) API evolution discussion | 15:04 |
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| tmorin | c) bagpipe driver status update | 15:05 |
| tmorin | d) contrail driver status update (? if you want doude) | 15:05 |
| tmorin | #topic neutron-lib related work | 15:05 |
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| tmorin | pcarver: do you want to update us ? | 15:05 |
| tmorin | I've just seen a refresh of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/395585/ | 15:06 |
| pcarver | tmorin: I've been spending more time troubleshooting tox failures in multiple environments trying to find one that works reliably than I have actually making code changes. But I just pushed a patch set that has a portion of the changes and passes tox locally. | 15:06 |
| pcarver | I left out the attribute map parts because those were causing tox to fail. I'm going to bring those in next. | 15:07 |
| tmorin | ok, looks good | 15:07 |
| tmorin | seems going in the right direction | 15:07 |
| pcarver | But I wanted to push a partial PS and see if it passes CI | 15:07 |
| tmorin | yes | 15:08 |
| tmorin | we haven't discussed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439193/ recently | 15:08 |
| tmorin | ("Point API entry to neutron-lib API Reference") | 15:08 |
| tmorin | this one does not seem really ready | 15:08 |
| tmorin | I failed to comment on it though | 15:09 |
| pcarver | tmorin: yeah, it didn't render correctly. I need to figure out the right syntax | 15:09 |
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| pcarver | assuming there is a correct syntax to embed a remote link in the middle of a generated TOC | 15:09 |
| tmorin | I think that keeping the toc as is would be better, and that a link to the API could be done *in* the existing api.rst | 15:09 |
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| pcarver | oh, so keep the file api.rst and just remove all the content and replace it with a hyperlink? | 15:10 |
| tmorin | by replacing its content by a simple sentence: This API is documented `here <http://....>`. | 15:10 |
| pcarver | that's possible and would work. I think it's a little ugly to make the reader click an extra link | 15:10 |
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| tmorin | Or better: This API is documented in the `Neutron API reference <http://....>`. | 15:11 |
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| tmorin | yeah, I see what you mean, but I think it's even more ugly to have an item in the TOC that links outside the document | 15:12 |
| pcarver | OK. I think it would be nicer to jump directly to it without having to click through an interstitial page, but at least it will get it done | 15:12 |
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| pcarver | I'll do it that way | 15:13 |
| tmorin | pcarver: ok ! | 15:13 |
| tmorin | thanks parver for working on these items ! | 15:14 |
| tmorin | next topic ? | 15:14 |
| tmorin | #topic APi evolution discussion | 15:14 |
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| tmorin | we have discussed API evolution in the past weeks | 15:14 |
| tmorin | but not very intensively | 15:14 |
| tmorin | there is one blueprint on which having reviews would help | 15:15 |
| tmorin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+spec/port-association | 15:15 |
| tmorin | details are in the corresponding etherpad: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+spec/port-association/+edit | 15:15 |
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| tmorin | sorry wrong link | 15:15 |
| tmorin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/bgpvpn_advanced_features | 15:15 |
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| tmorin | wrong link again ...:-/ | 15:16 |
| tmorin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/bgpvpn_port_association | 15:16 |
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| tmorin | this is the right one | 15:16 |
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| tmorin | doude: do you think you or someone else working on OpenContrail could have a look and give feedback ? | 15:17 |
| tmorin | timirnich: (hi!) I see you're logged in, perhaps you would know if someone working on ODL could have a look at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/bgpvpn_port_routes | 15:18 |
| tmorin | #undo | 15:18 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/bgpvpn_port_association | 15:18 |
| tmorin | #undo | 15:18 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/bgpvpn_advanced_features | 15:18 |
| tmorin | #undo | 15:18 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+spec/port-association | 15:18 |
| tmorin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+spec/port-routes | 15:19 |
| tmorin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/bgpvpn_port_routes | 15:19 |
| doude | tmorin: i can have a look and give you my feedback | 15:19 |
| tmorin | doude: thanks! | 15:19 |
| timirnich | tmorin: I'll have a look and pass on if needed | 15:20 |
| timirnich | sorry for not really joining the call - triple booked | 15:20 |
| tmorin | timirnich: thanks! jan had been contributing at some point in the past | 15:20 |
| tmorin | timirnich: np, we understand :) | 15:20 |
| tmorin | tmorin: I'll try to reach out with Nuage folks as well | 15:22 |
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| tmorin | tmorin: I'll try to also push a proposal for an APi extension allowing the control of local_pref and communities/extended-communities | 15:23 |
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| tmorin | there is also another API evolution item in the pipe | 15:23 |
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| tmorin | ODL folks have revived the work around adding the "vni" attribute (allowing to force the VNI for a BGPVPN of type L2) | 15:24 |
| tmorin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332711/ | 15:24 |
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| tmorin | this will have to be adapted to be pushed/discussed in neutron-lib first | 15:24 |
| tmorin | next topic ? | 15:25 |
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| tmorin | #topic c) bagpipe driver status update | 15:27 |
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| tmorin | the work on merging bagpipe-bgp into networking-bagpipe is now quite complete | 15:31 |
| tmorin | its and improvements here and there | 15:31 |
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| tmorin | some unrelated cleaning patches are pending, waiting for neutron changes to merge | 15:31 |
| tmorin | nothing else much to add... | 15:32 |
| tmorin | #topic contrail driver status | 15:32 |
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| tmorin | doude ? if you want to ... | 15:32 |
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| doude | tmorin: oops I missed your ping | 15:47 |
| doude | few minutes left | 15:47 |
| tmorin | np, you still have some time :) | 15:47 |
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| doude | actually the contrail modifications were merged and will be integrated in the release 4.0 (scheduled middle of May) | 15:48 |
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| doude | and the BGPVPN driver also merge in the Contrail plugin/drivers repository | 15:48 |
| doude | that support l2 and l3 VPN and network and router assocations | 15:49 |
| doude | it does not support RD | 15:49 |
| tmorin | ok! | 15:49 |
| tmorin | excellent news ! | 15:49 |
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| tmorin | this is a pretty extensive API coverage | 15:49 |
| doude | I'll push a review on bgpvpn to depreciate beta driver with warning message | 15:49 |
| tmorin | ok! | 15:49 |
| tmorin | can you also update the doc under networking-bgpvpn/doc/source/contrail ... to specify the new package.path.to.contriail_v2:Driver | 15:51 |
| tmorin | ? | 15:51 |
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| tmorin | ok | 16:01 |
| tmorin | forgot to close | 16:01 |
| tmorin | thanks everyone | 16:01 |
| tmorin | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 21 16:01:27 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2017/bgpvpn.2017-03-21-15.01.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2017/bgpvpn.2017-03-21-15.01.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2017/bgpvpn.2017-03-21-15.01.log.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 21 16:01:31 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2017-03-21_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
| Drago | o/ | 16:01 |
| swatson | o/ | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:01 |
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| hieulq_ | o/ | 16:02 |
| coreyob | Corey O'Brien | 16:02 |
| juggler | Perry Rivera | 16:02 |
| tonanhngo | Ton Ngo | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | hello Drago swatson hieulq_ coreyob juggler and tonanhngo | 16:02 |
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| jasond | o/ | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | is it just me, or does IRC seem really laggy today? | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | hello jasond | 16:04 |
| swatson | I haven't noticed anything yet | 16:04 |
| jasond | i'm seeing a 0.0 second lag | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | ok, glad to hear it. Thanks swatson. | 16:05 |
| juggler | seems ok | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:05 | |
| adrian_otto | 1) I have appointed Spyros Tigazis as our release liaison for Magnum. | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Release_management Release Management | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | this means that he will be assisting me with submitting releases in Gerrit during the Pike cycle | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | any questions/concerns/remarks? | 16:06 |
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| juggler | congrats Spyros | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | he's normally here for our team meetings, but he did not show up today. | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | I hope he's ok. | 16:07 |
| yatinkarel | yatinkarel,o/ | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | hello yatinkarel | 16:07 |
| yatinkarel | Congrats Spyros | 16:07 |
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| adrian_otto | any other announcements form team members? | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | s/form/from/ | 16:07 |
| swatson | Just as an FYI, jvgrant is out this week for vacation | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | tx swatson | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Review Acton Items | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | (none) | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | #topic What should we call Magnum's generic OSC name stem? | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so swatson has started on a plugin for osc that will allow the openstack client to control magnum | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | The "openstack cluster" command is taken by Senlin, so we need an alternative. | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446179/3/setup.cfg@33 | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | the initial choice was "infra" but a few of us dislike it | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | so I emailed out ML yesterday about it,a dn got a bunch of clarity | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | first thing I want to cover is that this is not the same thing as our service catalog name | 16:11 |
| juggler | a dn -> and? | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | which will remain container-infra | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | and it's also not our Service Type name, which will likely end up "coe-cluster" | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | and... | 16:11 |
| juggler | got it thx | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | the command name MAY have a space in it | 16:12 |
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| adrian_otto | so I have 4 of them for us to consider as a team, and I'd like to judge if we have a consensus for any of them. | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | Ready? | 16:12 |
| juggler | ok | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | Choices: coe cluster, coe, infra, mcluster | 16:12 |
| jasond | ccluster? | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | Ones that were eliminated from consideration are: c_cluster, coe_cluster, coe-cluster, magnum, magnum cluster, ccluster | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | the rationale behind disqualifying ccluster is that it looks like a typo | 16:13 |
| jasond | ah ok | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | the name must be [a-z]+ only | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | now, let me explain what it means to have a command name with a space in it | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | if we select "coe cluster" as the name it will yield commands like this: | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | openstack coe cluster create ... | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | and if we chose "infra" it would be: | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | openstack infra create ... | 16:14 |
| coreyob | would we also have "coe cluster template"? like "openstack coe cluster template create"? | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | since the noun we actually create is a "cluster" I prefer the former. | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | thoughts? | 16:15 |
| tonanhngo | Is there other existing command with a space? | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | yes, coreyob. Exactly. | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | yes, volume commands have spaces in them | 16:15 |
| swatson | adrian_otto: We can create commands with any name after our noun. Currently my change has commands that read as "openstack infra cluster create..." and "openstack infra cluster template create..." | 16:15 |
| swatson | Would that go against the guidelines? | 16:15 |
| coreyob | are there any other services that have initialisms for their command? seems like "coe" is pretty jargon-y | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | swatson: that would probably be okay too, but it is a slight departure from what dtroyer explained in our ML thread. | 16:16 |
| swatson | Ah. I'll have to go through it once I'm back in the office | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | I would have liked that word to be "magnum" but that's against the guideliens | 16:17 |
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| adrian_otto | as our project names are abstract,and they want nouns that are descriptive | 16:17 |
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| Drago | like "object"? :) | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | heh, yeah, that's the drawback of this approach | 16:18 |
| swatson | Of the 4 choices I think "coe cluster" is best | 16:18 |
| coreyob | guessing there is no way to share cluster with senlin? the "resource" we are creating is a "cluster" so it seems logical that we call it that. unfortunate that only 1 openstack service will ever have "clusters" | 16:19 |
| swatson | It seems that if we choose "coe" we'll end up with "openstack coe create" instead of being able to use "openstack coe cluster create". Is that right? | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | coreyob: we don't have a way to discriminate which "cluster" resource the user wants. It would require some form of an argument, or magic guessing to figure it out | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | and that would violate the principle of least surprise | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | swatson: tat' my interpretation of yesterday's discussion, yes. | 16:21 |
| coreyob | can we have multiple nouns? could we have 'openstack swarm cluster create' and 'openstack kubernetes cluster create' etc etc? | 16:22 |
| yatinkarel | from the options awailable coe cluster looks ok too me | 16:22 |
| coreyob | just trying to think outside the box | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | coreyob: that's a really good idea, and a great question for us to pose. | 16:23 |
| yatinkarel | coreyob, we can use --coe swarm for that | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | yatinkarel: but he makes a very creative suggestion to use the name of the COE to avoid the namespace collision | 16:23 |
| Drago | yatinkarel: --driver swarm, probably | 16:23 |
| yatinkarel | Drago, yes | 16:23 |
| Drago | coe/driver is pluggable though, so I don't think it is feasable | 16:24 |
| yatinkarel | coreyob, adrian_otto we would have multiple coe then, dcos is also coming up | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | it would pepper the namespace with all the different driver names | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | which is likely to be discouraged | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | so far we have kubernetes, swarm, mesos, and dcos | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | and the "kubernetes" one has multiple drivers | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | so you'd still need a driver argument to select whatever one is not default | 16:26 |
| Drago | Would "coe cluster" really be accepted? It seems to me as obscure as "magnum" would be | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | yes | 16:27 |
| coreyob | yeah coe seems pretty odd considering it really isn't a word | 16:27 |
| tonanhngo | how about "container infra"? a little wordy, but to the point | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | it's equally obscure, but there is one key difference "coe" is in fact the type of cluster it is | 16:27 |
| Drago | Maybe we can turn "magnum" into an acronym with the same meaning as coe, and then use it | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | the word "container" is reserved for the smae reason that "cluster" should have been | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | had we been more forward thinking back then | 16:28 |
| jasond | if you google "coe cluster" it's not clear what it means | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | Zun has decided to use "appcontainer" as their noun. | 16:28 |
| tonanhngo | infracontainer? | 16:29 |
| coreyob | does that imply containerinfra is possible? | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | and "container" is actually in use by swift | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | coreyob: yes | 16:29 |
| juggler | I like mcluster for its conciseness | 16:29 |
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| Drago | appcontainer and not app container? | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | mcluster might be allowed, but I'm not 100% sure yet | 16:29 |
| jasond | juggler: +1 | 16:29 |
| coreyob | mcluster where m is for magnum? i think that only makes sense if you know you're looking for something that is called "magnum" | 16:30 |
| tonanhngo | it's not obvious what m means in mcluster | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | the problem with mcluster is that it's not actually a noun | 16:30 |
| coreyob | nothing else in osc uses the project name | 16:30 |
| swatson | I think "mcluster" is similar enough to "cluster" to be confusing, as well | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | coreyob: right. | 16:30 |
| swatson | Plus it makes me think the noun is "McLuster"... | 16:30 |
| coreyob | lol | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | hahahaha | 16:30 |
| Drago | McCluster | 16:30 |
| juggler | a song drops into my head... :) | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | that's hilarious | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so that's out!! | 16:30 |
| swatson | :) | 16:31 |
| ArchiFleKs | Hi, I think COE is getting quite accepted and it is sort of generic, except if at some point magnum cluster aren't COE | 16:31 |
| yatinkarel | what is tld | 16:31 |
| juggler | clusters, folks, and fun...! | 16:31 |
| yatinkarel | openstack tld list | 16:31 |
| coreyob | i think coe is well known here in magnum. if you google it, magnum and rackspace are the only ones that use it. in the wider container ecosystem though it isn't well known | 16:32 |
| Drago | That's a good point, magnum doesn't technically only produce container infra clusters, that just happens to be the only type of clusters it produces | 16:32 |
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| Drago | *it is able to produce atm | 16:32 |
| Drago | (@ArchiFleKs) | 16:33 |
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| adrian_otto | coreyob: that's because we made it up | 16:33 |
| yatinkarel | what about cicluster? | 16:33 |
| ArchiFleKs | Drago: atm? | 16:33 |
| yatinkarel | ci stands for container infra | 16:34 |
| Drago | ArchiFleKs: at the moment | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | but the prevailing meaning for CI is Continuous Integration | 16:34 |
| yatinkarel | hmm | 16:34 |
| ArchiFleKs | https://www.docker.com/cp/container-orchestration-engines | 16:34 |
| Drago | disallowing hyphens is soo helpful... | 16:35 |
| swatson | Drago the technology just isn't there yet | 16:35 |
| juggler | underscores disallowed? | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | juggler: only ^[a-z]+$ | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | actually | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | and space too | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | juggler: only ^[a-z ]+$ | 16:36 |
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| juggler | how bout usage of "+"... | 16:36 |
| juggler | :) | 16:36 |
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| jasond | adrian_otto: did we rule out just "coe"? | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | no | 16:37 |
| juggler | jasond I think that one is still in the mix | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | we are still in discussion mode | 16:37 |
| Drago | did we rule out container cluster? | 16:37 |
| coreyob | can't have container | 16:38 |
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| swatson | IMO, of the 4 options presented, "coe" would be best if we could just add on to it with whatever commands, e.g. "openstack coe cluster create", "openstack coe cluster template create", etc. | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | Drago: container is a reserved work (swift) | 16:38 |
| ArchiFleKs | adrian_otto: space are allowed but it cannot collapse with other things? Like "container orchestration" would it collapse with swift? | 16:38 |
| Drago | yeah but it's "container cluster" | 16:38 |
| jasond | i like "coe" better than "coe cluster" | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | I am in full agreement with swatson on this one | 16:39 |
| swatson | In my work on the plugin it seems to me we can do precisely that, but it might be against guidelines if I'm understand what adrian_otto has specified | 16:40 |
| jasond | "openstack coe ca show ..." | 16:40 |
| swatson | s/understand/understanding | 16:40 |
| juggler | swatson: +1 | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | so that's four votes in support of coe | 16:40 |
| yatinkarel | i am with mcluster(if allowed) and coe cluster | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | any opposing viewpoints to condsider | 16:41 |
| Drago | I'm just going to -1 the openstackclient in general | 16:41 |
| ArchiFleKs | Yes and if magnum is not doing just coe but other cluster in the future we can change the meaning of coe to cluster orchestration engine :p | 16:41 |
| coreyob | one last suggestion, would "containerorchestration" be better than "coe"? | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | that's pretty darn long | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | for an interactive CLI | 16:41 |
| juggler | how much typing (if any) of that long term would be involved? | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | at least 10 characters if word completion logic is implemented in the client | 16:42 |
| yatinkarel | also bash_completion is there | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | cluster1 | 16:43 |
| yatinkarel | adrian_otto, bash completion didn't work for more than 10 character? | 16:43 |
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| adrian_otto | because everyone knows that "password1" is better than "password" <yawn> | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | yatinkarel: good question, I dunno | 16:44 |
| juggler | another suggestion: is there a term between "containerorchestration" and "coe" which is a descriptive happy medium and yet not too long? | 16:44 |
| Drago | coreyob: or containercluster | 16:44 |
| coreyob | true true | 16:44 |
| Drago | These rules are weird. Nouns must have spaces unless you smash two together, but then you can't use hyphens | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | they can have spaces | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | the problem is taht the word container is in use | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | that's why "coe cluster" was proposed | 16:45 |
| juggler | is case insensitive in this matter? | 16:45 |
| coreyob | required lower | 16:46 |
| juggler | coreyob thx | 16:46 |
| Drago | I'm going to +1 "coe" because it is the least awful | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so we have a weak consensus around "coe" | 16:47 |
| juggler | Drago heh | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | we don't have to make a final decision immediately. | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | but we should give swatson a substitute for now, unless we all really want to stick with "infra" | 16:48 |
| jasond | adrian_otto: i'm not sure "coe cluster" makes sense, because then you'd have "coe cluster ca show ..." and "coe cluster cluster create ..." | 16:48 |
| juggler | yeah, I'll stick with "coe" but I'm open to hear more options and discuss | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | jasond: I agree | 16:48 |
| swatson | one note: Currently with "infra" I have commands like "openstack infra cluster create", but that might be against the guidelines Dean Troyer specified in the ML | 16:48 |
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| adrian_otto | we can ask to clarify that | 16:49 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, time to advance to the next agenda item | 16:49 |
| swatson | adrian_otto I think we should, because if we can't do something like that with "coe" then I think "coe cluster" would be the go-to | 16:49 |
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| adrian_otto | are ther eupdates on BP's or shold we skip those? | 16:49 |
| Drago | Well, can we have multiple "nouns" that basically all start with "coe"? e.g. coe cluster, coe ca, coe cluster template | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | on the name selection, please monitor the ML and participate there | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | Drago: yes, we can | 16:50 |
| Drago | ok | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:50 |
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| adrian_otto | if you have BP updates to share, you may make them now | 16:50 |
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| yatinkarel | Has anyone deployed k8s-fedora-ironic cluster on devstack+ironic+magnum setup, ironic nodes are going to clean_failed state, no hosts available | 16:50 |
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| adrian_otto | yatinkarel: is that setup able to produce BM instances through Nova using the ironic virt driver? | 16:52 |
| yatinkarel | adrian_otto, not tried yet | 16:52 |
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| yatinkarel | i tried but that time node were in clean_failed state | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | try that, so you can narrow it down to whether ironic is even working, or whether magnum is doing something to jam it. | 16:53 |
| yatinkarel | i will try again | 16:53 |
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| adrian_otto | ok | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | any other discussion topics before we adjourn today? | 16:56 |
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| adrian_otto | Our next team meeting will be on Tuesday 2017-03-28 in #openstack-meeting-alt at 1600 UTC. See you then! | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 21 16:58:21 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2017/containers.2017-03-21-16.01.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2017/containers.2017-03-21-16.01.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2017/containers.2017-03-21-16.01.log.html | 16:58 |
| juggler | thx adrian | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | :-) | 16:58 |
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| felipemonteiro | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 21 17:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is felipemonteiro. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
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| felipemonteiro | #topic Roll Call | 17:00 |
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| felipemonteiro | o/ | 17:00 |
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| pbourke_ | o/ | 17:01 |
| felipemonteiro | Hi pbourke_ | 17:01 |
| pbourke_ | hi felipemonteiro | 17:01 |
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| felipemonteiro | I'll wait a few more minutes to see if anyone else is joining today | 17:03 |
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| felipemonteiro | #topic Open Discussion | 17:05 |
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| pbourke_ | felipemonteiro: if no one else is joining I guess I'll just introduce myself :) | 17:06 |
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| pbourke_ | felipemonteiro: im working with ellen (unsure of her irc name) and devray on some murano efforts in oracle | 17:07 |
| pbourke_ | spent the past few days playing around with it, hoping to be able to address blueprint 'devicename-from-volume-attachment' soon | 17:08 |
| felipemonteiro | Cool, I remember looking it over when ellen asked me to approve it a week or so ago | 17:09 |
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| pbourke_ | are there many others actively working on murano at the moment? | 17:10 |
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| felipemonteiro | pbourke_: There was a lot of support/involvement for Murano a few months ago, but right now the project is in a kind of stasis, due to the company that was almost 100% involved in driving it shifting their resources elsewhere. I have certain features planned, but have been slightly sidetracked with another project my company has me working on | 17:12 |
| pbourke_ | felipemonteiro: good to know, thanks | 17:13 |
| felipemonteiro | I'll have to personally train some people to get up to speed, but that takes time, especially now that we want to integrate helm with murano | 17:16 |
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| pbourke_ | are you doing that with some of the other projects like openstack-helm or as a separate effort | 17:17 |
| pbourke_ | or is it more of a support for helm packages on murano | 17:18 |
| felipemonteiro | helm packages in murano | 17:19 |
| felipemonteiro | We don't want to rely on openstack-helm | 17:19 |
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| pbourke_ | no makes sense | 17:19 |
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| felipemonteiro | Essentially the idea is to increase support within murano by adding helm support, while also implementing something useful | 17:20 |
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| pbourke_ | learnmore: o/ | 17:25 |
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| felipemonteiro | learnmore: Hi | 17:32 |
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| learnmore | HI | 17:33 |
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| learnmore | I don't having anything for this meeting. Just in listen mode. | 17:33 |
| felipemonteiro | Np | 17:34 |
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| learnmore | Quick question: Felipe are you going to the OpenStack Summit in Boston? | 17:37 |
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| felipemonteiro | learnmore: I'm not absolutely certain, but I'll most likely be in attendance. | 17:41 |
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| felipemonteiro | If there aren't any other items for discussion, is it all right if we end a bit early today? | 17:44 |
| pbourke | sure, nice to meet you felipemonteiro | 17:45 |
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| felipemonteiro | pbourke: Likewise, thanks for joining | 17:47 |
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| felipemonteiro | #endmeeting | 17:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 21 17:48:23 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2017/murano.2017-03-21-17.00.html | 17:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2017/murano.2017-03-21-17.00.txt | 17:48 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 21 19:01:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| rockyg | o/ | 19:01 |
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| catherineD | waves at rockyg: | 19:02 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 19:02 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-17-03-21 | 19:02 |
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| pvaneck | o/ | 19:03 |
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| catherineD | Anne Gentle said sh will attend today's meeting ... we can discuss other subject first | 19:04 |
| mguiney | o/ | 19:04 |
| catherineD | #topic RefStack is now on StoryBoard | 19:04 |
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| catherineD | Thanks to hogepodge: and the OpenStack team .. | 19:05 |
| catherineD | #link RefStack is now on StoryBoard ( https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/878 ) | 19:05 |
| catherineD | please use StoryBoard instead of Launchpad from now on .. | 19:06 |
| catherineD | Let's skip over the documentation topic and revisit later .. | 19:06 |
| hogepodge | Happy to help | 19:06 |
| catherineD | #topic Update existing certified data with the verified flag | 19:06 |
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| catherineD | mguiney: any update? | 19:07 |
| mguiney | yes! i actually just finished up a few formatting fixes, and am ready to push a version for testing | 19:07 |
| catherineD | mguiney: great thank you .. | 19:08 |
| mguiney | but before I do that, I figured I would check up on where I should be pushing it. refstack/tools, correct? | 19:08 |
| catherineD | mguiney: yes | 19:09 |
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| catherineD | moving on? | 19:09 |
| mguiney | cool, thank you | 19:10 |
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| catherineD | alright .. | 19:10 |
| catherineD | #topic Pending reviews | 19:10 |
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| catherineD | #topic Change doc references from DefCore to Interop Working Group ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390881/ ) | 19:10 |
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| luzC | o/ | 19:11 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: Is OpenStack Powered a TM? | 19:11 |
| hogepodge | yes | 19:11 |
| hogepodge | It has an associated work mark and logo mark. | 19:12 |
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| catherineD | ic | 19:12 |
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| catherineD | do you have a link? I would like to use the same format at RefStack? | 19:13 |
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| catherineD | that is "is TM the same size as OpenStack " or is it a superscript or subscript ? | 19:15 |
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| hogepodge | I don't know 100%, especially since we're updating the identity | 19:17 |
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| catherineD | ok we still have time ... | 19:17 |
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| catherineD | moving on .. | 19:17 |
| luzC | if I understand correctly... for this patch I need to change text from "OpenStack Powered (TM) Guidelines" to "OpenStack Powered <special_TM_sign> Guidelines"?? | 19:17 |
| luzC | is that correct? | 19:18 |
| luzC | just checking to add the resolution as a comment | 19:18 |
| rockyg | I think all the info and jpg's are on the o.o website | 19:18 |
| catherineD | yes if html can tolerate the <special_TM_sign > | 19:18 |
| hogepodge | I wouldn't worry about it, tbh. We're much more flexible on community driven work, and are mainly looking for commercial trademark violations. I also don't know if you would want to use R or TM, I think we're using R on the OpenStack logo | 19:19 |
| catherineD | At the minumum we confirm at this meeting that "OpenStack Powered" is a TM | 19:19 |
| catherineD | the phase "OpenStack Powered (TM) Guidelines" with all charactoer of the same sizes looks odd at my test system .. that is why I am thinking of whether we should do something different | 19:21 |
| catherineD | but it is just cosmetic | 19:21 |
| luzC | sounds good, I'll fix it | 19:22 |
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| rockyg | (TM) is usually superscript on words | 19:22 |
| catherineD | luzC: we are not sure what ot fix yet :-) | 19:22 |
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| catherineD | but it just look odd on the UI with the TM being the same size | 19:23 |
| catherineD | rockyg: hogepodge: should we do superscript then? | 19:23 |
| rockyg | annegentle, knows a lot about this kinda stuff. | 19:24 |
| hogepodge | sub or super, we use sub on the logo | 19:24 |
| * annegentle got on vpn and lost irc | 19:24 | |
| annegentle | that's how it goes some days :) | 19:24 |
| rockyg | "OpenStack Powered (TM) Guidelines" sub or superscript for TM? | 19:24 |
| catherineD | alright great we will use sub to be consistent | 19:25 |
| annegentle | whatever the lawyers say | 19:25 |
| annegentle | :) | 19:25 |
| catherineD | rockyg: yes | 19:25 |
| catherineD | luzC: now we have a fix :-) | 19:25 |
| luzC | :) | 19:25 |
| catherineD | great moving on ... | 19:25 |
| catherineD | annegentle: thx for attending this IRC and your inputs .. | 19:26 |
| annegentle | yes, happy to help | 19:26 |
| catherineD | #topic RefStack documentation | 19:26 |
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| catherineD | BTW this is the agenda link for tomday's meeting https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-17-03-21 | 19:27 |
| catherineD | the discussion is to map out the pro and con of publishing RefStack doc at RefStack site or OpenStack doc site .. | 19:28 |
| annegentle | well, and it is more matrixed than that, really I see two docs sites | 19:28 |
| annegentle | pros and cons of two decisions possibly | 19:28 |
| catherineD | the most important RefStack requirement is the source information has to be one place .. | 19:28 |
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| annegentle | sure, just saying there are two audiences | 19:29 |
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| annegentle | so I would encourage two sources | 19:29 |
| annegentle | since there are two publishing platforms | 19:30 |
| catherineD | annegentle: the 2 sources with different content right? | 19:30 |
| annegentle | sorta working backwards from the problem | 19:30 |
| annegentle | yeah | 19:30 |
| annegentle | and to me the harder problem is the end-user situation | 19:30 |
| catherineD | audience #1: Refstack users (those are the people who run tests and uploading them )? | 19:32 |
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| annegentle | feel free to tell me that's wrong, that you actually need to onboard more contributors | 19:32 |
| catherineD | audience #2: RefStack developers? | 19:32 |
| annegentle | yep | 19:32 |
| annegentle | people who want to contribute to: well, you tell me, refstack the app or refstack tests? | 19:33 |
| catherineD | annegentle: we do need to onboard more contributors .. you are correct | 19:33 |
| annegentle | do you have a priority? | 19:33 |
| catherineD | I think the priority is RefStack users .. | 19:34 |
| annegentle | yeah, I'd agree... being one myself :) | 19:34 |
| catherineD | annegentle: :-) | 19:35 |
| hogepodge | yes, end users are struggling | 19:35 |
| catherineD | so for RefStack users the preference is to host those document at RefStack? | 19:35 |
| hogepodge | it would be much easier for me | 19:35 |
| annegentle | catherineD I think so, that's where I started and the user experience/navigation was tough | 19:36 |
| hogepodge | sending someone to the git repo right away can be fraught, especially if we're sending them to cgit.openstack.org (which is ugly) | 19:36 |
| annegentle | hogepodge yeah cgit doesn't have an HTML rendering | 19:36 |
| annegentle | hogepodge but those are going to github iirc | 19:37 |
| annegentle | hogepodge still... no overarching nav that way which is what I found hard | 19:37 |
| hogepodge | github has better rendering, but is fraught politically within openstack | 19:37 |
| annegentle | hogepodge right | 19:37 |
| catherineD | we know that if hosting at RefStack we won't be able to use sphnix as is | 19:37 |
| pvaneck | Just to provide a little update regarding displaying some of the info from the rst docs onto the refstack website... | 19:38 |
| pvaneck | I was playing around with docutils, and it is doable to convert the rst to html, then use python to extract the content from the html body tags so that we have simple html that can be used as angular templates. Then it is just a matter of tabulating all these templates on the about page. | 19:38 |
| annegentle | catherineD yes, that's true, and I have no experience with ngdocs to do any pre-analysis | 19:38 |
| catherineD | that RefStack document will be one-off and deviate from the rest of OpenStack project | 19:38 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: when will the conversion take place ( rst -> html_) | 19:40 |
| annegentle | catherineD well, not to put too fine a point on it, but the app is already, hence the need for ngdocs to better integrate | 19:40 |
| annegentle | with the app itself | 19:40 |
| annegentle | catherineD I see it like this -- it's like if we did more embedded docs for Horizon, embedded strings would need to fit into the horizon dashboards and may need to be written a certain way. | 19:41 |
| annegentle | it's also possible ngdocs isn't a great solution, really pvaneck may have good ideas for best integration/user experience, might be flat HTML files | 19:42 |
| catherineD | I take a quick look at ngdocs ... one of the different that stand out for me is that the ngdos would be hard to ready at the repository .. where as rst being convert tand easier to read | 19:42 |
| catherineD | hard to read .. | 19:42 |
| annegentle | catherineD well, that may only be due to your familiarity and GitHub's rendering. | 19:43 |
| catherineD | annegentle: yea | 19:43 |
| annegentle | catherineD not to discount that first viewpoint, of course, but that I think the better end-goal is a beautiful doc on the app itself. | 19:43 |
| annegentle | catherineD so then the first viewpoint is "wow, gorgeous" :) | 19:43 |
| pvaneck | catherineD: most likely puppet will run whatever conversion script/tool we use | 19:43 |
| pvaneck | i can create a mockup with our current docs to show how it would look | 19:44 |
| annegentle | pvaneck have you tried ngdocs? much of a pain to learn? Or okay? | 19:44 |
| pvaneck | for general javascript documentation, i think i have just been using jsdoc | 19:45 |
| annegentle | pvaneck yeah I think ngdocs is an offshoot? Subshoot? Not sure what the enveloper is :) | 19:46 |
| pvaneck | ngdoc for full fledged informational documentation would still need a conversion tool/script to htmlize it for website displayal | 19:46 |
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| annegentle | (ngdoc is a flavor of jsdoc) and yeah, that's where the puppet scripts come in right | 19:47 |
| annegentle | pvaneck or, did you find you could integrate HTML built from RST/Sphinx? | 19:47 |
| pvaneck | annegentle: in my simple testing, i found i could use doctools/sphinx to create html templates that should be able to integrate okay. | 19:48 |
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| annegentle | I think that was the other approach you were gonna look into, yeah. | 19:49 |
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| annegentle | pvaneck I think that's a good approach, then, to get integratable HTML | 19:49 |
| annegentle | I can't spell :) | 19:49 |
| pvaneck | annegentle: catherineD: yea, seems straightforward. I will create a mockup | 19:50 |
| annegentle | pvaneck catherineD excellent. | 19:50 |
| catherineD | so I think the first ageement we have here is that the RefStack user doc should be published at the RefStack site and this is the priority .. and we knoiw that we will be using one-off doc for this | 19:50 |
| annegentle | nice, and I think the four-page starter set is a decent start | 19:51 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: will create a mockup and we will evaluvate this approach vs ngdocs | 19:51 |
| mguiney | should I update the spec? | 19:51 |
| annegentle | mguiney yeah, good thinking | 19:52 |
| luzC | catherineD also does documentation should be reviewed, maybe refactored to divide the things that belong to users? | 19:52 |
| catherineD | luzC: I am thinking that if we use pvaneck: 's approach | 19:52 |
| catherineD | the source will be in RST | 19:52 |
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| catherineD | I do not see why we should not publish the doc on both places? | 19:53 |
| annegentle | luzC I think the idea is to put end-user docs in the refstack app repo, and is that separate from the other repo? | 19:53 |
| catherineD | end-user doc for sure will be published to the refstack site ... | 19:54 |
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| annegentle | I was thinking of refstack repo for end-user docs, refstack-client for contributor docs, but that might be backwards | 19:54 |
| catherineD | if we go the ngdocs route we definitely need to separate the 2 sources | 19:54 |
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| annegentle | catherineD we also in other projects use separate directories and separate conf.py files, so all in same repo but different deliverables. | 19:55 |
| catherineD | annegentle: oh .. I was thinking of the RefStack user doc (at refstack site ) and the developer doc (at the openstack doc site) | 19:55 |
| annegentle | catherineD so it's not an unknown pattern... | 19:55 |
| catherineD | annegentle: that is great .. | 19:56 |
| catherineD | luzC: your thoughts? | 19:56 |
| annegentle | catherineD yeah we can publish to docs.openstack or developer.openstack from one repo | 19:56 |
| annegentle | luzC I don't know the content itself well enough to know what needs to be split out. | 19:56 |
| annegentle | luzC catherineD let me find an example of two folders in one repo for two docs | 19:57 |
| catherineD | luzC: so we still need all the reviews that you have created ... | 19:57 |
| catherineD | annegentle: ++ | 19:57 |
| catherineD | ok 3 mininutes left | 19:57 |
| luzC | yes, agree... just don't remember the exact content of the documentation... | 19:58 |
| luzC | :) | 19:58 |
| annegentle | luzC yep :) | 19:58 |
| catherineD | #agreed RefStack user doc should be published at the RefStack site and this is the priority .. and we know that we will be using one-off doc for this | 19:58 |
| catherineD | annegentle: thank you so much for giving your time here ... | 19:59 |
| annegentle | sure, sorry for being late! | 19:59 |
| catherineD | We know what to do next ... | 19:59 |
| annegentle | great, please feel free to add me to any reviews | 19:59 |
| catherineD | annegentle: no perfect timing .. | 19:59 |
| catherineD | thank you all .. see you next time .. | 20:00 |
| catherineD | luzC: thx for all the doc patches ..:- ) | 20:00 |
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| catherineD | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 21 20:00:38 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2017/refstack.2017-03-21-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2017/refstack.2017-03-21-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2017/refstack.2017-03-21-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
| rockyg | ttfn! | 20:01 |
| mguiney | have a good day! | 20:01 |
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