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| kei | #startmeeting product_working_group | 06:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 28 06:00:16 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 06:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 06:00 |
| leong | o/ | 06:00 |
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| kei | hi leong | 06:01 |
| leong | konichiwa kei | 06:01 |
| leong | :) | 06:01 |
| kei | konnichiwa! | 06:02 |
| kei | You can find the agenda for today here: | 06:03 |
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| kei | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 06:03 |
| kei | same as the last time. | 06:03 |
| leong | anyone else here for pwg regional meeting? | 06:04 |
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| kei | i pinged hieulq and tovin07, but didn't get respond. | 06:05 |
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| kei | leong: you didn't go to PTG this time, did you? | 06:06 |
| leong | kei: nope i didn't | 06:06 |
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| kei | leong: i see. | 06:07 |
| kei | let's start. | 06:07 |
| leong | sure! | 06:07 |
| kei | #topic User Story | 06:08 |
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| kei | we have two topics for this, bare metal service and traceability. | 06:08 |
| leong | there is a Gap-Analysis template ready/merged into the repo... | 06:08 |
| leong | we should start importing the bare-metal analysis as well... | 06:09 |
| kei | leong: sure. | 06:09 |
| leong | #link Gap Analysis Template: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories/blob/master/gap-analysis-template.rst | 06:09 |
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| leong | this template is a simple one that created based on bare-metal & capacity mgmt analysis | 06:10 |
| tovin07 | o/ | 06:11 |
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| leong | hi tovin07! | 06:11 |
| kei | hi tovin07 | 06:11 |
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| tovin07 | hi leong kei | 06:11 |
| tovin07 | hieulq will not join us today | 06:12 |
| kei | leong: so it's basically about importing the contents of bare metal analysis from etherpad to the repo. | 06:12 |
| leong | kei: you are right :) | 06:12 |
| leong | we want those info captured/maintained in the repo... | 06:12 |
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| kei | leong: do you plan to add more specific template in the future? (i'm not asking you to do that. i'm just asking a question.) | 06:13 |
| leong | kei: i think we should have all template we need for PWG user story now... | 06:14 |
| leong | we got the user-story.template, analysis.template and tracker.template | 06:14 |
| leong | that should cover all we need today... | 06:14 |
| leong | unless do you think if we are missing anything? | 06:15 |
| kei | leong: ok. thanks. | 06:15 |
| kei | leong: i'll import the contents. | 06:15 |
| leong | thanks kei, once you imported, i will review it | 06:16 |
| kei | leong: thanks. | 06:16 |
| leong | i haven't got time to update the baremetal tracker list yet... | 06:17 |
| leong | will try to work on it over the week | 06:17 |
| kei | leong: i haven't got time to post a revised version of bare metal user story to the repo either... | 06:17 |
| kei | leong: same here. | 06:17 |
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| leong | let's get them done as soon :) | 06:18 |
| kei | leong: sure thing. | 06:18 |
| kei | as for traceability user story, i did a final review. hieulq is on a travel and will come back tomorrow. he should be able to get it done and post it to the repo this week, i guess. | 06:19 |
| leong | nice... | 06:19 |
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| leong | anyone working on Logging? | 06:20 |
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| kei | leong: he emailed me and asked me to review it, but i missed his email for days... | 06:21 |
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| kei | leong: our scope covers logging too, but currently we're focusing on traceability. | 06:21 |
| leong | kei: ok.. got it.. | 06:22 |
| kei | leong: we did work on logging about a year ago and get something done. maybe we'll focus on logging again soon. | 06:23 |
| leong | kei: is that work together with rocky? | 06:24 |
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| hieulq_ | o/ sorry for being late | 06:26 |
| hieulq_ | i'm on business trip now | 06:27 |
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| kei | leong: no at the moment. btw, we're still actively working on networking logging (security group logging and firewall logging) | 06:27 |
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| leong | hi hieulq_ | 06:27 |
| kei | leong: unfortunately, it didn't make it at ocata. we'll try to get it done at pike. | 06:27 |
| leong | kei: ok. that will be a good one | 06:28 |
| kei | hi hieulq_ | 06:28 |
| hieulq_ | hi leong, kei | 06:28 |
| kei | i heard you're in HCM. | 06:28 |
| leong | HCM=? | 06:28 |
| tovin07 | Ho Chi Minh City | 06:29 |
| tovin07 | fyi | 06:29 |
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| hieulq_ | kei, yes, attending apricot 2017 in Ho Chi Minh city, talking about traceability in OpenStack | 06:29 |
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| kei | hieulq_: great. | 06:29 |
| leong | that's exciting.. | 06:30 |
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| kei | hieulq_: i just told leong that we finished a final review on traceability user story, and you'll come back tomorrow and should be able to finish it this week. | 06:31 |
| hieulq_ | sure | 06:31 |
| kei | hieulq_: thanks! | 06:31 |
| hieulq_ | will push to gerrit in this week after coming back to office | 06:32 |
| kei | hieulq_: leong has finished a template for gap analysis. i'll import the contents leong and i made before into the template and post it to the repo. | 06:32 |
| kei | hieulq_: great. | 06:32 |
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| kei | does anyone have anything else to discuss? | 06:35 |
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| leong | fyi... today PWG core team meeting | 06:35 |
| leong | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-02-27-21.01.html | 06:35 |
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| kei | leong: i haven't read it yet. | 06:36 |
| leong | have a look at the meeting summary and let me know if you have any questions | 06:36 |
| leong | one key point is that PWG is proposing to facililiate the Forum | 06:37 |
| leong | we have discussed with UC.. | 06:37 |
| leong | the next step is to bring that proposal to Board approval | 06:37 |
| leong | #link PWG Forum Proposal: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jTlO4UdNjc5cOKboeCNhLDEdttazWWlDgNxxulUrPNg/edit | 06:37 |
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| leong | feel free to contact/email me if anyone has any questions | 06:39 |
| kei | leong: thanks. "leong to set up a doodle pool to establish weekly meeting for planning Forum progress" what's this about? | 06:40 |
| leong | that's planning towards the Forum facilitation | 06:40 |
| leong | OpenStack Forum at Boston | 06:41 |
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| leong | we need to form a "planning" sub-team | 06:41 |
| hieulq_ | the idea of forum facilitation is great :) | 06:43 |
| kei | leong: does the sub-team consist of pwg members and other members? | 06:43 |
| leong | i assume mostly PWG members, but anyone is open to join | 06:43 |
| kei | leong: i see. thanks. | 06:44 |
| leong | the key thing about Forum facilitation is to "aggregate user feedback, document them and track them" | 06:44 |
| kei | leong: yes, pwg sounds like the best group to faciliate it. | 06:45 |
| leong | yes, but we need more people to help :) | 06:45 |
| kei | leong: what kind of help do you need so far? | 06:45 |
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| leong | those are still at high-level ideas... we will work on more concrete plan over the next few weeks | 06:46 |
| leong | can be helping in many areas, eg. facilitate forum session, consolidate session etherpads, aggregate summary report, etc. | 06:47 |
| kei | leong: i see. | 06:47 |
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| kei | leong: i'll watch for the doodle pool announcement in the list. | 06:48 |
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| leong | will work on my list of action items tomorrow or wednesday :) | 06:49 |
| kei | leong: ok :) | 06:49 |
| kei | leong: i'm trying to open the pwg forum proposal page, but my firefox isn't responding.. | 06:50 |
| kei | i'll take a look at it later. (just restarted my firefox.) | 06:50 |
| leong | kei: ok.. let me know if doesn't work, i can send you a pdf | 06:51 |
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| kei | leong: i just opened it. | 06:51 |
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| kei | leong: i'll ask you a qusetion later about the slide deck. i think we're running out of time. | 06:55 |
| kei | any other topics? | 06:55 |
| leong | ok, no problem | 06:55 |
| leong | i think we are good | 06:56 |
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| kei | ok. let's finish the meeting today. thanks all! | 06:56 |
| leong | thank you all | 06:56 |
| kei | #endmeeting | 06:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 28 06:56:41 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-02-28-06.00.html | 06:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-02-28-06.00.txt | 06:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-02-28-06.00.log.html | 06:56 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | #startmeeting blazar | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 28 09:00:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hiro-kobayashi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'blazar' | 09:00 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | #chair priteau | 09:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hiro-kobayashi priteau | 09:00 |
| hiro-kobayashi | #topic Rollcall | 09:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rollcall (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:01 | |
| hiro-kobayashi | o/ | 09:01 |
| priteau | o/ | 09:01 |
| tejaswi | o/ | 09:01 |
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| bertys_ | hi all | 09:01 |
| hiro-kobayashi | masa will join later, maybe in 15 minutes | 09:01 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | Is r-mibu? | 09:02 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | OK lets start a meeting | 09:02 |
| hiro-kobayashi | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 09:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:02 | |
| hiro-kobayashi | There is not a list of action items, but actions in my mind are: | 09:03 |
| hiro-kobayashi | #1 Vote Blueprints | 09:03 |
| hiro-kobayashi | #2 Work on bugs for v.0.2.0 | 09:03 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Anything else? | 09:03 |
| hiro-kobayashi | About #1, it looks most of us have voted. | 09:04 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Here is the result: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Blazar_status_2016 | 09:04 |
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| priteau | Blueprints highlighted in bold font are the ones with the most votes | 09:05 |
| priteau | We have 5 of them | 09:05 |
| hiro-kobayashi | yes | 09:05 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | And blueprints with at least 1 vote are [mid] | 09:06 |
| hiro-kobayashi | And blueprints with no vote are [low] | 09:06 |
| hiro-kobayashi | These results have been reflected to the Launchpad | 09:07 |
| hiro-kobayashi | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/blazar | 09:07 |
| priteau | Thank you hiro-kobayashi for doing this | 09:07 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | We should detail them, and assign someone after releasing v0.2.0 | 09:08 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | Now we should focus on v.0.2.0 | 09:09 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | hi masahito | 09:09 |
| hiro-kobayashi | #chair masahito | 09:09 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hiro-kobayashi masahito priteau | 09:09 |
| masahito | hi, all. sorry late. | 09:09 |
| hiro-kobayashi | masahito: Now we are checking action items | 09:10 |
| hiro-kobayashi | #1 Vote Blueprints | 09:10 |
| hiro-kobayashi | #2 Work on bugs for v.0.2.0 | 09:10 |
| hiro-kobayashi | #1 finished | 09:10 |
| masahito | hiro-kobayashi: got it. I'll check eavesdrop for past discussion. | 09:10 |
| hiro-kobayashi | let's move on #2 | 09:11 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | Here is the status of v0.2.0: https://launchpad.net/blazar/+milestone/0.2.0 | 09:11 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Do you have anything to discuss here? | 09:12 |
| hiro-kobayashi | #topic v0.2.0 status | 09:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "v0.2.0 status (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:13 | |
| priteau | I opened a bug yesterday about ClimateFilter issues | 09:13 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | priteau: thanks for that | 09:13 |
| priteau | is it fixed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438796/ | 09:13 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Yes, I confirmed it works in my environment | 09:14 |
| priteau | Great, thanks | 09:14 |
| priteau | Should this be fix released? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1657826 | 09:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1657826 in Blazar "blazarclient doesn't work with keystone v3 API" [Medium,Fix committed] - Assigned to Masahito Muroi (muroi-masahito) | 09:14 |
| priteau | or do we want until we have python-blazarclient on pypi? | 09:14 |
| masahito | priteau: you hit the bug? | 09:15 |
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| priteau | masahito: 1657826? not since you merged the patch | 09:16 |
| masahito | In my local, blazarclient works well with keystone v3 | 09:16 |
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| priteau | I am talking about the launchpad status of the bug | 09:16 |
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| priteau | it is "Fix committed" rather than "Fix released" | 09:16 |
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| masahito | oh, I see. | 09:16 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Yes, i think we can mark it fix-released | 09:16 |
| masahito | right, it should be fix committed. | 09:17 |
| hiro-kobayashi | not fix-released? | 09:17 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Other completed pathces are "Fix Released" | 09:18 |
| masahito | sorry, I was confused. | 09:18 |
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| priteau | I have changed its status | 09:18 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | Thanks! | 09:18 |
| masahito | IMO, until we have pypi package it's better to use fix released b/c we only have master codes in git. | 09:18 |
| priteau | +1 | 09:19 |
| priteau | master branch is effectively a continuous release | 09:19 |
| hiro-kobayashi | +1 | 09:19 |
| priteau | Thanks masahito for reviewing my patch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/blazar/+bug/1663204. I will reply to your comments | 09:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1663204 in Blazar "Non-admin users cannot create reservations with default policy rules" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pierre Riteau (priteau) | 09:19 |
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| masahito | priteau: first of all, thanks the patch. | 09:20 |
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| masahito | My comments is more focusing on coding itself. Overall it looks good. | 09:20 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Thanks priteau and masahito | 09:20 |
| hiro-kobayashi | And thanks for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434775/ | 09:21 |
| hiro-kobayashi | I want to discuss Documentation | 09:22 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Should we publish docs on readthedocs? | 09:22 |
| masahito | If it works on readthedocs. | 09:22 |
| priteau | I am not sure if we can publish several sets of docs | 09:23 |
| priteau | We would need both release notes and documentation | 09:23 |
| hiro-kobayashi | I tried and confirmed "docs" works with readthedocs | 09:23 |
| hiro-kobayashi | I can push the patch for that | 09:23 |
| priteau | What kind of patch is needed? | 09:24 |
| hiro-kobayashi | But I don't know how to integrate readthedocs with releasenotes | 09:24 |
| hiro-kobayashi | with reno | 09:24 |
| hiro-kobayashi | priteau: trivial changes. Adds sphinx requirements into requirements.txt | 09:25 |
| masahito | IIRC, readthedocs only works with pure markdown or rst file | 09:25 |
| hiro-kobayashi | And add some paths into docs/source/conf.py | 09:25 |
| hiro-kobayashi | masahito: Yes I think so | 09:26 |
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| masahito | ok, then if it works, we can point out it. if not, we can add how to generate the doc on README.md. how do you think? | 09:26 |
| hiro-kobayashi | So we should make another version of release notes for readthedocs | 09:26 |
| priteau | Another solution is, once we have the final release notes, we copy/paste them to the wiki | 09:26 |
| masahito | +1 for priteau. it looks nice. | 09:27 |
| hiro-kobayashi | +1 too | 09:27 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | Then I will push the patch for publish "doc" in readthedocs | 09:28 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | and After the release, we will copy the release note into "doc" repo | 09:29 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Does it make sense? | 09:29 |
| priteau | what would be the doc repo? | 09:29 |
| hiro-kobayashi | doc directory in the blazar repo | 09:30 |
| hiro-kobayashi | #link https://github.com/openstack/blazar/tree/master/doc/source | 09:30 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Because readthedocs publishes documents in doc directory | 09:31 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Here is a sample: http://test-blazar.readthedocs.io/en/latest/introduction.html | 09:31 |
| masahito | I think we don't need to keep copy of releasenotes in docs repo. | 09:31 |
| priteau | I agree with masahito | 09:31 |
| priteau | Or maybe just an index page, like ironic does: https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/doc/source/releasenotes/index.rst | 09:32 |
| priteau | pointing to the wiki | 09:32 |
| masahito | just has a link to wiki in blazar repo in github. | 09:32 |
| priteau | otherwise that's a lot of duplicated content | 09:32 |
| hiro-kobayashi | OK, then I will add a point to the wiki | 09:33 |
| hiro-kobayashi | After we publish docs in readthedocs, I think we should remove duplicated wiki pages. How do you think? | 09:34 |
| priteau | or mark them as outdated and link to readthedocs? | 09:35 |
| hiro-kobayashi | priteau: its better. | 09:35 |
| priteau | keeps the history | 09:35 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Make sense! Then I will do that. | 09:36 |
| masahito | hiro-kobayashi: thanks the volunteer. | 09:36 |
| hiro-kobayashi | That's all for documents, thanks! | 09:36 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Oh, not all, sorry | 09:36 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | tejaswi: How's your patch? | 09:37 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436557/ | 09:37 |
| tejaswi | hiro-kobayashi: I've updated v1 API | 09:37 |
| tejaswi | I've replaced VM reservation with host reservation | 09:37 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Thank you very much! | 09:38 |
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| tejaswi | should we update v2 API ? | 09:38 |
| hiro-kobayashi | the document would be a great help | 09:38 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | tejaswi No. Because v2 API docs are auto generated as far as I know | 09:39 |
| priteau | I believe v2 API is autogenerated | 09:39 |
| tejaswi | ok | 09:39 |
| priteau | although I still have things I want to verify in it | 09:39 |
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| tejaswi | In my devstack setup, the API to update host is throwing 500 error. Are you also facing the same issue ? | 09:40 |
| priteau | I haven't tried update-host | 09:40 |
| priteau | and tempest doesn't check it | 09:40 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Me, neither | 09:40 |
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| tejaswi | ok. | 09:40 |
| masahito | me too. | 09:41 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | Then that should be reported as a bug | 09:41 |
| priteau | tejaswi: can you open a bug? | 09:41 |
| tejaswi | ok | 09:41 |
| hiro-kobayashi | tejaswi Thanks! | 09:42 |
| tejaswi | The command to update host "climate host-update --extra abc=1 1" does not throw error, however if we use REST API, it throws 500 error. Ideally, the CLI and REST responses should be the same | 09:42 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Anything else about on-reviewing patches? | 09:42 |
| priteau | Anyone would have some time to rebase and refresh the patch for checking physical reservation min/max parameters? | 09:43 |
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| masahito | priteau: which one? | 09:43 |
| hiro-kobayashi | priteau: Do you have a link for that? | 09:43 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | tejaswi: That's should be investigated. Could you describe about it on Launchpad bug? | 09:44 |
| tejaswi | ok | 09:45 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | #action tejaswi to open bug about 'host update' | 09:45 |
| priteau | the bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/blazar/+bug/1404190 | 09:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1404190 in Blazar "No validation for --physical-reservation arguments of lease-create command" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Pierre Riteau (priteau) | 09:45 |
| priteau | client patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143044/ | 09:46 |
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| masahito | I've never checked it. | 09:46 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | OK, I'll do that | 09:46 |
| priteau | and server bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/blazar/+bug/1400642 server patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140306/ | 09:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1400642 in Blazar "Internal Server Error while creating lease with physical reservation" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to chintha govardhan (chintha-govardhan) | 09:47 |
| masahito | But from release side, I don't think it blocks the release | 09:47 |
| hiro-kobayashi | masahito: +1 | 09:47 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Because it's not critical | 09:48 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Hi GeraldK | 09:48 |
| priteau | It would be good if it was fixed in it though. It throws an exception in the middle of lease creation and leaves it half-created | 09:48 |
| masahito | Does it make sense it backport after release 0.2.0.? | 09:49 |
| masahito | If we want to make blazar and blazarclient perfect, meaning no bugs, we can't release. | 09:49 |
| priteau | :-) | 09:49 |
| priteau | Yes we can backport of course | 09:49 |
| masahito | I'm planning to cut 0.2.0 release once we merge the five patches. | 09:50 |
| GeraldK | hi, sorry, I arrived very late... | 09:50 |
| masahito | https://review.openstack.org/436557 | 09:50 |
| masahito | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436690/ | 09:50 |
| masahito | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438293/ | 09:50 |
| masahito | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437004/ | 09:50 |
| masahito | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434775/ | 09:50 |
| masahito | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434777/ | 09:50 |
| masahito | does it make sense? | 09:51 |
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| priteau | 6 patches? | 09:52 |
| masahito | oh. '6 patches' is right. | 09:52 |
| GeraldK | two of the patches have status "-1" | 09:52 |
| hiro-kobayashi | And I want to merge readthedocs related patch which we have discussed. How do you think? | 09:53 |
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| GeraldK | the others seems to be okay more or less | 09:53 |
| masahito | hiro-kobayashi: Could you add it into https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434775/ ? | 09:53 |
| hiro-kobayashi | masahito: yes i can | 09:53 |
| masahito | GeraldK: Of course, we need to solve the -1 :) | 09:54 |
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| GeraldK | hiro-kobayashi: OPNFV opnfvdocs project has also started using ReadTheDocs, so if you have any questions on it, we could also reach out to them | 09:54 |
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| masahito | GeraldK: after resolving the -1s I'll adds the docs. | 09:54 |
| hiro-kobayashi | GeraldK: Thanks! That's a great help | 09:55 |
| priteau | Should we talk about deprecation policy before the meeting ends? | 09:55 |
| GeraldK | masahito: sure, I know. I just wanted to say it seems we have only 2 out of 6 where some more work is needed. | 09:55 |
| hiro-kobayashi | priteau: yes we should | 09:55 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | #topic Deprecation rules | 09:56 |
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| masahito | GeraldK: i see. | 09:56 |
| priteau | My personal preference is to remove code as soon as possible so there is less to maintain, especially while we have very few users | 09:56 |
| hiro-kobayashi | priteau: +1 | 09:57 |
| masahito | +1 | 09:57 |
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| GeraldK | +1 | 09:57 |
| priteau | masahito: but I thought you proposed to keep climate code until after P release? | 09:57 |
| masahito | If it doesn't hit your environment, I think we can do :-) | 09:57 |
| masahito | I thought it could hit your environment. | 09:58 |
| priteau | nah don't worry at all about it | 09:58 |
| masahito | :-) | 09:58 |
| priteau | we will continue running our own fork for now since we have some Chameleon-specific patches | 09:58 |
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| priteau | and rebase them on Ocata when we upgrade | 09:58 |
| priteau | If we follow OpenStack rules I think we can remove deprecated code 3 months after release with the deprecation note | 09:59 |
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| priteau | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/tags/assert_follows-standard-deprecation.html | 09:59 |
| hiro-kobayashi | priteau: +1. We should follow it | 10:00 |
| masahito | ok. | 10:00 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | Unfortunately we have no more time | 10:01 |
| masahito | then mark all climate namespace is deprecated in O. and will remove it in May or somedays. | 10:01 |
| hiro-kobayashi | +1 | 10:01 |
| priteau | Probably in June | 10:01 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Let's go to #openstack-blazar if AOB | 10:02 |
| priteau | So that the 3 months are March-April-May | 10:02 |
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| priteau | All right, thanks everyone | 10:02 |
| masahito | priteau: all right. | 10:02 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Thanks! | 10:02 |
| hiro-kobayashi | #endmeeting | 10:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 28 10:02:53 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:02 |
| masahito | thanks all | 10:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2017/blazar.2017-02-28-09.00.html | 10:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2017/blazar.2017-02-28-09.00.txt | 10:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2017/blazar.2017-02-28-09.00.log.html | 10:02 |
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| EmilienM | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 28 14:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | #topic agenda | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
| EmilienM | * review past action items | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * one off agenda items | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * bugs | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * CI | 14:00 |
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| EmilienM | * Specs | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * Week roadmap | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * open discussion | 14:00 |
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| EmilienM | Anyone can use the #link, #action and #info commands, not just the moderatorǃ | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | Hi everyone! who is around today? | 14:00 |
| mwhahaha | o/ | 14:00 |
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| sshnaidm | o/ | 14:01 |
| shardy | o/ | 14:01 |
| jtomasek | ~o~ | 14:01 |
| ccamacho | hi! | 14:01 |
| jpich | o/ | 14:01 |
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| EmilienM | ok let's start | 14:02 |
| matbu | o/ | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | #topic review past action items | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review past action items (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:02 | |
| EmilienM | upgrade squad to move remaining work in bugs instead of blueprint: done | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | EmilienM to propose RC1 by end of this week (postponed): done & released | 14:02 |
| trown | o/ | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | EmilienM to propose a Python3 session & invite RDO folks: done (at PTG) | 14:02 |
| gfidente | o/ | 14:02 |
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| EmilienM | High - team to work on last Critical / High bugs for ocata-rc1: done. focus is now on ocata-rc2 | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | Medium - Pike planning - prepare specs, prepare PTG: done. | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | and | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | EmilienM to reply to Heidi and ask Design team to re-propose a new logo that would be a variation on the current logo that moves closer to the foundation themes: done. We're waiting for OpenStack foundation now. | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | #topic one off agenda items | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "one off agenda items (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:02 | |
| EmilienM | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items | 14:02 |
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| EmilienM | no one off items this week? | 14:03 |
| gfidente | we had so many last week at the ptg | 14:03 |
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| gfidente | :) | 14:03 |
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| EmilienM | true, let's move on | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | #topic bugs | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:03 | |
| EmilienM | #link https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/ocata-rc2 | 14:03 |
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| EmilienM | is there any particular bug we need to discuss this week? | 14:03 |
| adarazs | o/ | 14:03 |
| weshay | o/ | 14:04 |
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| EmilienM | seems like no | 14:04 |
| bandini | o/ | 14:04 |
| EmilienM | we still have 28 Triaged, 33 In Progress for ocata-2 | 14:04 |
| EmilienM | err, ocata-rc2 | 14:04 |
| beagles | o/ | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | it seems like a lot, but I guess most of them will move to pike-1 soon | 14:05 |
| jrist | o/ | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | moving on | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | #topic projects releases or stable backports | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "projects releases or stable backports (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:06 | |
| EmilienM | #info Essential release blocker: composable upgrades | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | #action EmilienM to propose RC2 by end of next week | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | quick reminder: since we haven't released final ocata, don't miss backports to stable/ocata | 14:06 |
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| fultonj | o/ | 14:07 |
| EmilienM | can someone give an update on remaining blockers for upgrades from newton to ocata? | 14:07 |
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| * EmilienM will give an update about CI jobs for upgrades in the CI topic | 14:08 | |
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| ccamacho | EmilienM I think there are no blockers, just submissions to check, from your last week email add the pending tasks | 14:08 |
| EmilienM | ccamacho: ok thanks | 14:09 |
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| ccamacho | for the pending services upgrades | 14:09 |
| shardy | chem or marios can probably help identify blockers, but we landed the nova fixes so I think we're pretty close now | 14:09 |
| bandini | not sure about the complete picture (chem would know I guess), I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1668600 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1668372 which I think are pretty serious | 14:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1668600 in tripleo "N-O upgrades rabbitmq has the wrong ha policy" [High,Triaged] | 14:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1668372 in tripleo "N-O upgrades do not wait for galera to be fully up" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Michele Baldessari (michele) | 14:09 |
| bandini | am working no both atm | 14:09 |
| bandini | *on both* | 14:09 |
| shardy | EmilienM: I think at this point we'll have to go ahead with rc2 and deal with any remaining issues as bugfix backports | 14:09 |
| bandini | shardy: ack | 14:09 |
| EmilienM | shardy: trailing release allows us to release in ~10 days | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | bandini: can you update 1668600 to be assigned to you and change it from high to critical please | 14:10 |
| bandini | sure | 14:10 |
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| marios | EmilienM: sry am late was distracted in another chan shardy ack yes | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | shardy: but indeed, I'll probably propose a release early next week and we'll deal with backports | 14:11 |
| marios | shardy: i mean to being close | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | anything else about release management? | 14:11 |
| marios | shardy: we (mcornea me and others) got clean local runs through the nova services on pacemaker env and ansible tasks + puppet config cleanly applied | 14:11 |
| user` | bandini: upgrade task for pacemaker are non existant that may be the problem. I'm investigating it. | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | marios: it would be great to also validate things in upstream CI | 14:11 |
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| user` | bandini: upgrade task for pacemaker *services* are non existant that may be the problem. I'm investigating it. | 14:11 |
| shardy | marios: ack thanks for the update, that's good news :) | 14:12 |
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| marios | EmilienM: also may be relevant to point out some docs we landed too wrt the upgrades at https://docs.openstack.org/developer/tripleo-docs/post_deployment/upgrade.html#upgrading-the-overcloud-to-ocata-and-beyond | 14:12 |
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| EmilienM | chem: also, ccamacho and I discussed before the meeting about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438090/ - we think httpd should be stopped at step 1 | 14:12 |
| marios | EmilienM: may help if someone wants to jump in for any remaining tasks/services | 14:12 |
| bandini | chem: yeah one issue is that we do not wait for galera to be settled down (pathces are up) and the other one I need to test a fix for | 14:12 |
| bandini | marios: nice! | 14:13 |
| EmilienM | marios: sure. thanks | 14:13 |
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| EmilienM | chem: please follow-up in the review when you can, so we can move forward with this one. | 14:13 |
| chem | EmilienM: doing | 14:13 |
| EmilienM | anything else about releases? before we go to next topic | 14:14 |
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| EmilienM | #topic CI | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:14 | |
| EmilienM | sshank: can you please give an update on oooq transition (blockers, etc) | 14:14 |
| EmilienM | sshnaidm: ^ | 14:14 |
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| weshay | adarazs, ^ | 14:15 |
| sshnaidm | EmilienM, I think adarazs can do it | 14:15 |
| sshnaidm | he's our liason :) | 14:15 |
| adarazs | okay :) | 14:15 |
| adarazs | so, there are no real blockers, but there are quite a few items we are working on. | 14:15 |
| adarazs | you can see it on the RDO Infra board (we will transition to the CI Squad board after the transition) | 14:15 |
| adarazs | I sent an email with the links about the outstanding work items this morning to the openstack-dev list. | 14:16 |
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| weshay | https://trello.com/b/HhXlqdiu/rdo?menu=filter&filter=label:oooq%20phase%201%20transition | 14:16 |
| adarazs | thanks for the link. | 14:16 |
| EmilienM | quick update on upgrade jobs CI (cc marios, matbu, chem, shardy, ccamacho) : 1) we enabled pacemaker on all scenarios to increase testing coverage. 2) scenario have now in check-nv pipeline the upgrade jobs (not passing yet) | 14:16 |
| adarazs | but I think it looks promising and we will be able to transition at the end of the cycle. | 14:16 |
| EmilienM | quick question for oooq transition, I just realized that we need to make sure to have multinode upgrade jobs support. Is it in the list? | 14:16 |
| matbu | EmilienM: cool | 14:16 |
| adarazs | so yeah, announcement here: we're planning to transition at or close to 10th of March! | 14:17 |
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| adarazs | EmilienM: yes, there are 2 outstanding changes for quickstart that are supporting it, rlandy and matbu are working on it and I'm reviewing them. | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | adarazs: excellent | 14:17 |
| adarazs | EmilienM: hopefully when these are submitted we have a clear path for working upgrade jobs with quickstart. | 14:18 |
| EmilienM | so I'm working on upgrade CI jobs this week, helping the upgrade squad to move forward. Any help is really welcome. | 14:18 |
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| weshay | EmilienM, we have to test upgrades w/ multinode so we'll also be pulling in bkero to help there | 14:18 |
| EmilienM | weshay: in oooq multinode upgrades you mean? | 14:18 |
| weshay | aye | 14:19 |
| matbu | EmilienM: which help do you need exactly ? | 14:19 |
| adarazs | yeah, that's a missing piece, even if upgrades will start working in general. | 14:19 |
| EmilienM | yes but before that we need to make upgrades working and that's why I'm asking for help | 14:19 |
| weshay | k | 14:19 |
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| EmilienM | matbu: make upgrades actually working. They are failing now (I think I tracked all bugs but not sure what's next) | 14:19 |
| matbu | EmilienM: the CI job is failling ? | 14:19 |
| EmilienM | jobS | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | we have 4 upgrade jobs now and yes, the scenarios are failing | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438657/ will solve it | 14:20 |
| matbu | EmilienM: k i can help you to debug if you want | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | but it depends on a revert in puppet-tripleo | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | matbu: I need help in moving forward with the 3 scenarios. I'll let you know today how jobs work after the revert lands | 14:21 |
| matbu | EmilienM: k | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | we really need to invest more in these upstream CI jobs | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | not sure we can set them voting once they pass green though | 14:22 |
| matbu | EmilienM: +1 that's really helpful | 14:22 |
| matbu | EmilienM: i think it would be nice to hva it voting | 14:22 |
| EmilienM | if we make them voting, I think we'll really need to add them to the promotion pipeline | 14:22 |
| weshay | +1 to voting | 14:22 |
| EmilienM | matbu, weshay: that's not that easy tbh | 14:22 |
| matbu | EmilienM: the previous one (before my ptos) was really stable and catched real issues | 14:23 |
| EmilienM | the only way to not break CI every morning is to add them to promotion pipeline | 14:23 |
| EmilienM | we can take it offline | 14:23 |
| EmilienM | anything else about CI this week? | 14:23 |
| EmilienM | #topic specs | 14:24 |
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| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | #action team to make progress on reviewing Pike specs | 14:24 |
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| EmilienM | anyone wants to discuss about a spec? | 14:25 |
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| EmilienM | it would be great to review all specs before pike-1 | 14:25 |
| jrist | honza: ^ ? | 14:25 |
| jrist | +1 | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | #topic week roadmap | 14:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "week roadmap (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:26 | |
| EmilienM | #link https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/ocata-rc2 | 14:26 |
| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open | 14:26 |
| EmilienM | #link https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/pike-1 | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | also, some of you presented some work at PTG, please create blueprints as soon as you can | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/112995.html | 14:28 |
| EmilienM | summary of PTG ^ | 14:28 |
| EmilienM | anything else we should pay attention this week? | 14:28 |
| EmilienM | #topic open discussion | 14:29 |
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| EmilienM | if you have any question or feedback, it's time :) | 14:29 |
| shardy | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/112960.html | 14:29 |
| shardy | I started a thread as a follow-up to the cross project discussions at the PTG last week | 14:29 |
| shardy | any feedback welcome, the idea is we try to keep the cross team discussion going between the f2f events | 14:30 |
| shardy | and hopefully over time collaborate more | 14:30 |
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| EmilienM | excellent | 14:30 |
| EmilienM | on short term, bnemec and I want to write a spec in oslo.config | 14:31 |
| EmilienM | any other topic before I close the meeting? | 14:31 |
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| EmilienM | thanks everyone! | 14:31 |
| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 14:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 28 14:31:49 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2017/tripleo.2017-02-28-14.00.html | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2017/tripleo.2017-02-28-14.00.txt | 14:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2017/tripleo.2017-02-28-14.00.log.html | 14:31 |
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| tmorin | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 28 15:03:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: bgpvpn)" | 15:03 | |
| tmorin | hi everyone! | 15:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:03 |
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| tmorin | let's see who is around today: bobmel ? doude ? eon`? matrohon ? pcarver ? timirnich ? | 15:04 |
| pcarver | hi | 15:04 |
| matrohon | hi | 15:04 |
| tmorin | hi guys | 15:04 |
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| tmorin | ok | 15:05 |
| tmorin | let's see what we can discuss today: | 15:06 |
| tmorin | (a) BGPVPN release last week | 15:06 |
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| tmorin | (b) neutron-lib & BGPVPN | 15:06 |
| tmorin | (c) cleanup WIP on bagpipe driver | 15:06 |
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| tmorin | (d) Pike roadmap | 15:07 |
| tmorin | anything else ? | 15:07 |
| bobmel | hi | 15:07 |
| tmorin | #topic BGPVPN release last week | 15:07 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "BGPVPN release last week (Meeting topic: bgpvpn)" | 15:07 | |
| tmorin | hi bobmel :) | 15:07 |
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| tmorin | networking-bgpvpn 6.0.0 was released last week | 15:08 |
| tmorin | nothing more to say than what is already in the release notes | 15:08 |
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| tmorin | one thing that we may have to discuss consider is whether or not we will want a 6.0.1 with the delete precommit hooks added in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435651/ | 15:09 |
| tmorin | I don't know how important this is for ODL | 15:09 |
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| tmorin | I think it is likely to be important : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435967/ | 15:10 |
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| tmorin | any ODL folk around ? | 15:10 |
| tmorin | timirnich: ^ ? | 15:10 |
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| tmorin | ok, we'll see... | 15:11 |
| tmorin | but I think we should proactively backport this... | 15:12 |
| tmorin | #topic neutron-lib & BGPVPN | 15:12 |
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| tmorin | pcarver: congrats !! all this has finally landed ! | 15:12 |
| pcarver | yay!!! | 15:13 |
| tmorin | both the API definition and the API reference :) | 15:13 |
| tmorin | the last items are cleanups on networking-bgpvpn side | 15:13 |
| pcarver | I returned home to a heavy meeting schedule this week, but I'm going to squeeze in the networking-bgpvpn side changes this week | 15:13 |
| pcarver | or at least a rebase that may get some critical reviews | 15:13 |
| tmorin | the change to use the definition from neutron-lib is in flight: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/395585/ | 15:14 |
| tmorin | pcarver: ok! | 15:14 |
| tmorin | and the other thing to do is update networking-bgpvpn to remove the old API doc and replace it with a pointer to https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/networking/v2/#bgp-mpls-vpn-interconnection | 15:14 |
| tmorin | #link https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/networking/v2/#bgp-mpls-vpn-interconnection | 15:14 |
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| pcarver | ok, I'll take care of that too | 15:15 |
| tmorin | cool ! thanks | 15:15 |
| matrohon | tmorin, concerning the odl patch | 15:15 |
| tmorin | yep ? | 15:15 |
| matrohon | they already tagged an ocata version at n8g-odl | 15:15 |
| matrohon | so they don't need a backport for now | 15:16 |
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| matrohon | to have a ocata version up and running | 15:16 |
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| doude | tmorin: hi (sorry to be late) | 15:17 |
| tmorin | hi doude :) | 15:17 |
| tmorin | better late than never :) | 15:17 |
| doude | :) | 15:17 |
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| tmorin | we've discussed the 6.0.0 n8g-bgpvpn release done last week and neutron-lib work | 15:18 |
| tmorin | matrohon: yes, you are right about ODL, 4.0.0 was indeed already branched | 15:19 |
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| tmorin | matrohon: so indeed there is no need to backport the delete precommit hooks | 15:19 |
| tmorin | #topic bagpipe driver cleanups | 15:19 |
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| tmorin | not much to say here | 15:19 |
| tmorin | https://review.openstack.org/425933 is ready, waiting for a corresponding improvement in neutron to land | 15:20 |
| tmorin | all this is progressing nicely enough | 15:20 |
| tmorin | the other piece, that we may or may not tackle for Pike would be to use OVO push notifications for neutron-agent exchanges of BGPVPN information | 15:21 |
| tmorin | #topic misc fixes | 15:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "misc fixes (Meeting topic: bgpvpn)" | 15:22 | |
| tmorin | before talking about Pike roadmap | 15:22 |
| tmorin | a small heads up on two things | 15:22 |
| tmorin | one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1668627 -> a tempest refactor is in progress and we will have to adapt some of our code | 15:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1668627 in networking-bgpvpn "Refactor of Tempest scenario base classes" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:22 |
| tmorin | if anyone wants to have a look | 15:23 |
| bobmel | tmorin: I can do that | 15:23 |
| tmorin | ah cool | 15:23 |
| tmorin | thanks bobmel | 15:24 |
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| tmorin | the other thing is our py27 newton periodic job that has been failing since 2017-02-08: http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/networking-bgpvpn-failure-rates | 15:24 |
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| tmorin | this is probably related to project config change related to db jobs | 15:25 |
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| tmorin | I haven't investigated | 15:25 |
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| tmorin | it seems we now have both a -db and a non -db periodic jobs | 15:26 |
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| tmorin | i'll try to investigate | 15:27 |
| tmorin | we'll also need to see if we want ocata periodic jobs | 15:27 |
| tmorin | I think it will make sense | 15:27 |
| tmorin | next topic ? | 15:27 |
| tmorin | #topic Pike roadmap | 15:28 |
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| tmorin | Ocata was a short cycle, and we had many things related to the stadium | 15:28 |
| tmorin | ideally for Pike we could start covering some of the advanced feature that we've been considering for some time | 15:28 |
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| tmorin | the etherpad where the discussion was esssentially done is https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/bgpvpn_advanced_features | 15:29 |
| jamemcc | Sorry - I'm late but here now - reading back through | 15:29 |
| tmorin | hi jamemcc, you're welcome! | 15:29 |
| jamemcc | Paul - great you are here. | 15:30 |
| jamemcc | Ahh - so sorry - thought it was Massively Scalable | 15:30 |
| matrohon | hi jamemcc | 15:30 |
| jamemcc | But if I can help - I'm glad to | 15:30 |
| tmorin | well BGPVPN *are* massively scalable right ? :) | 15:30 |
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| tmorin | some wellknown telcos (not naming them) have BGPVPNs with millions of routes :) | 15:31 |
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| matrohon | jamemcc, massevely distributed meeting is on Wednesday, am I wrong? | 15:31 |
| tmorin | back to Pike discussion | 15:32 |
| matrohon | tmorin, the corresponding etherpad for advanced feature of bgpvpn is : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/bgpvpn_advanced_features | 15:32 |
| matrohon | ? | 15:32 |
| tmorin | matrohon: yes | 15:32 |
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| matrohon | huge backlog! | 15:33 |
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| tmorin | the goal for Pike would be to see: which among these advanced use cases are clear enough to be implemented, and among these which we would prioritize for Pike | 15:33 |
| jamemcc | @matrohon - yes - thanks I see it on my calander tomorrow now - relief | 15:34 |
| tmorin | my summary of what is clear enough to advance faster than the rest is : Port associations, static routes, control of Extended Communities, control of Local Preference | 15:34 |
| tmorin | doude: your contribution will be helpful to see how any proposal would map to Contrail | 15:35 |
| tmorin | this applies to any SDN controller, but I don't see contributors on Nuage or ODL or other, around today | 15:36 |
| tmorin | I've updated the static-routes blueprint to point to an etherpad with a refreshed summary+proposal on static/dynamic routes | 15:36 |
| tmorin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/bgpvpn_port_routes | 15:37 |
| tmorin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+spec/port-routes | 15:37 |
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| doude | ok I'll look at it and giva you feedback | 15:37 |
| tmorin | I've renamed it from static-routes into port-routes to reflect the fact that we need to address both "static" routes and "dynamic" routes | 15:37 |
| pcarver | doude: if you see anything that doesn't map to current Contrail functionality let me know. I maintain AT&T's backlog of what enhancements we're looking for in future Contrail releases. | 15:37 |
| doude | ok | 15:38 |
| tmorin | the port association blueprint is here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+spec/port-association | 15:38 |
| tmorin | but it hasn't yet its own up-to-date etherpad --> I'll try to take care of that next week | 15:38 |
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| tmorin | I also need to register new blueprints for Local Pref control and Extended Community control | 15:39 |
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| tmorin | the other item on the radar for Pike is EVPN improvements: ODL folks need the "vni" and "technique" attributes | 15:40 |
| tmorin | we need to refresh the corresponding bugs/blueprint/changes and have the potential contributors in the loop | 15:41 |
| tmorin | they aren't attending the weekly meeting yet | 15:41 |
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| tmorin | pcarver, doude, everyone: one thing I would insist on is that contrarily to what was has been the enforced/perceived approach in the past for Neutron core feature, it seems that the community would be open to the idea that an implementation for the Neutron reference driver would *not* be a prerequisite for adding a new feature to an API -- under the condition that the said API evolution is discussed/agreed on and can in the future | 15:44 |
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| tmorin | and that an opensource implementation is available (but not necessarily Neutron) | 15:45 |
| pcarver | tmorin: your wording is a little complicated. I'm trying to understand exactly what you're saying. | 15:45 |
| pcarver | are you saying that you disagee with current Neutron policy? | 15:46 |
| tmorin | it means that people working on an opensource SDN controller should not be worried about having to work both on their SDN controller *and* on their implementation to introduce a new feature in the API | 15:46 |
| bobmel | And specifically for bgp-vpn, what is the policy? | 15:47 |
| tmorin | pcarver: no, I mean that discussing with a few core, it seem that the idea of considering an SDN controller other than neutron as the reference implementation for a new feature, would be acceptable | 15:47 |
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| pcarver | ok, so you're saying that it's ok to introduce the API before the implementation is ready? | 15:47 |
| tmorin | bobmel: neutron's policy would be n8g-bgpvpn policy | 15:48 |
| bobmel | ok | 15:48 |
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| matrohon | it has been discussed during the PTG? | 15:49 |
| tmorin | it would have to be confirmed via a real practical case (or a validation of a document describing that), but my understanding is that the possibility is not closed | 15:49 |
| tmorin | no, only side conversations | 15:49 |
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| matrohon | this was a golden rule for openstack in general | 15:49 |
| tmorin | pcarver "before the implementation is ready ?": the implementation would have to be ready during the same timescale, but would not necessarily have to be neutron ref driver | 15:50 |
| tmorin | pcarver: and the condition that the API would have to be agreed upon and applicable beyond a single backend would hold | 15:50 |
| tmorin | and is indeed an important condition | 15:51 |
| pcarver | I guess I'm not understanding what your statement was "contrarily" to | 15:51 |
| tmorin | matrohon: we have to discuss more, but at some point feature parity between odl and linuxbridge was important (and it is not anymore) | 15:51 |
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| pcarver | what was the old policy or practice and what's the new, different policy or practice you're proposing? | 15:52 |
| matrohon | tmorin, ok I see | 15:52 |
| tmorin | pcarver: opening the door to sometimes not requiring an implementation in the ref driver is backwards with what was done at some point | 15:52 |
| matrohon | but the diff is that both are running in the openstack CI | 15:52 |
| pcarver | ok, so previously the ref driver had to support the full API, but you're saying it would be ok to have parts of the API that are only supported by a controller other than the ref implementation? | 15:53 |
| matrohon | if we introduce a API that doesn't match the ref driver, it won't be tested by our CI | 15:53 |
| tmorin | matrohon: and it seems that an extra feature of a stadium project would not be treated in the same way as a core neutron functionality would be | 15:53 |
| tmorin | matrohon: CI: perhaps | 15:53 |
| tmorin | matrohon: ideally it would I guess have to be covered by a third party CI | 15:53 |
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| tmorin | tmorin: but perhaps, base API tempest tests with a dummy driver would be considered sufficient to validate the code in the n8g-bgpvpn repo | 15:54 |
| tmorin | ? | 15:54 |
| bobmel | I think ambition should be to implement full API in the reference driver even if it is not strictly required | 15:55 |
| matrohon | in this context it would make sense | 15:55 |
| tmorin | bobmel: I 100% agree | 15:55 |
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| tmorin | bobmel: my idea is that we also need to remove what may deter potential contributors working on SDN controllers from spending time on API definition and BGPVPN framework | 15:56 |
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| tmorin | matrohon: (not sure what you say would make sense) | 15:57 |
| bobmel | Afraid I need to drop. See you next week! | 15:57 |
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| tmorin | all this needs to be discussed/tried/validated, in particular if the requirement would become "an opensource ref implementation" or "a 4-opens opensource ref implementation" or ... | 15:58 |
| tmorin | bobmel: np, we're out of time anyways | 15:58 |
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| matrohon | tmorin, if it fosters SDN dev to contribute to the API, that would be a great | 15:58 |
| tmorin | I propose to try to consolidate Pike roadmap during the next two IRC meetings | 15:58 |
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| tmorin | matrohon: yes! | 15:59 |
| tmorin | we need to leave the floor for the next meeting | 15:59 |
| tmorin | thanks everyone ! | 15:59 |
| tmorin | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 28 15:59:31 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2017/bgpvpn.2017-02-28-15.03.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2017/bgpvpn.2017-02-28-15.03.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2017/bgpvpn.2017-02-28-15.03.log.html | 15:59 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 28 16:00:29 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #link Our Agenda | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Weekly_Containers_Team_Meeting Our Agenda | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
| randallburt | o/ | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:01 |
| swatson_ | Stephen Watson | 16:01 |
| mkrai_ | Madhuri Kumari | 16:01 |
| juggler | Perry Rivera | 16:01 |
| tonanhngo | Ton Ngo | 16:01 |
| yatinkarel | Yatin Karel | 16:01 |
| strigazi | Spyros Trigazis | 16:01 |
| jvgrant__ | Jaycen Grant | 16:01 |
| coreyob_ | Corey O'Brien | 16:01 |
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| Drago | o/ | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto | welcome randallburt swatson_ mkrai_ tonanhngo yatinkarel strigazi jvgrant__ coreyob_ Drago and lakerzhou | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) Fedora Atomic will be making a release tomorrow to address a kernel CVE. | 16:03 |
| juggler | and juggler too? :) | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | welcome juggler!! | 16:03 |
| vijendar | o/ | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | sorry I missed you | 16:03 |
| juggler | ok, just checking..heh | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | welcome vijendar and jasond | 16:03 |
| jasond | o/ | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | Dusdy Mabe joined us at the PTG from the Fedora Atomic team | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | *Dusty | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | so we were able to build stronger ties with them, and he was kind enough to let us know about the upcoming release | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | any Atomic Host quesitons? | 16:05 |
| coreyob_ | adrian_otto will the images for ocata and newton be rebuilt to include the CVE fix? | 16:05 |
| yatinkarel | So we also need to update the image | 16:05 |
| strigazi | Ocata uses a stock image | 16:05 |
| strigazi | so we just point to the new one | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | yes, we will need to rebuild the Mitaka one | 16:05 |
| strigazi | For newton we need a rebuild | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | and Newton | 16:06 |
| strigazi | pointer to the CVE? | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | not yet | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | I'll have pointers to two CVE's at our next meting | 16:07 |
| strigazi | ack | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | *meeting | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so strigazi if you have a moment to reach out to dustymabe he can help get us sorted before then. | 16:07 |
| strigazi | ok | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | any more discussion on this announcement? | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | 2) We have a new policy document: | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://docs.openstack.org/developer/magnum/policies.html | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | This document details our development philosophy, links to our guiding principles and community code of conduct, as well as details about how we make decisions and manage our team. If you have not reviewed the final version yet, I ask that you please do so, as we are all expected to conform to it. Some key takeaways are: that we value incremental iterative improvement, and a willingness to merge code before it's perfect in the | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | interest of continued forward advancement. Unanimous consent is not required to reach Team Consensus. Our PTL decides when Team Consensus is reached as needed. | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | thank you to everyone who assisted with this. | 16:08 |
| Gideon | Is it the forum to ask about Magnum <> Kuryr integration? Whether it planned? | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | I expect this to help us maintain a higher pace of advancement during our Pike cycle | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | Gideon: yes, we can address that in a moment during the Open Discussion section of the agenda. I will call on you. | 16:09 |
| Gideon | thanks | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | Any questions about the policy document? Note that the first amendment to our policy doc will be simple rules for amending it. | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | I'm planning to make it adjustable by using a simple majority of the core reviewers using a rollcall vote, and ratification by the PTL by setting workflow+1. Thoughts on this? | 16:10 |
| jvgrant__ | i think that is reasonable | 16:11 |
| juggler | sounds feasible | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | we could also allow a 3/4 super majority of cores to allow changes without the PTL's ratification. | 16:11 |
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| swatson_ | Do we want a pure democracy or a republic? :) | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | if you have more ideas, you are welcome to discuss them with me and the team, in either public or private depending on your comfort level. | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | swatson_: in the spirit of the openstack governance, we are not setting up a representative democracy. | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | we are doing our best to write down unspecified expectations | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | and although not everything needs to be written down, important things that affect our team behavior should be. | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | swatson_: does that help? | 16:14 |
| swatson_ | adrian_otto: I'm good with that | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto | so technically speaking, we have a blend of both a democracy and a republic. | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | where all decision makers are either elected, or appointed by an elected representative. | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | that concludes prepared announcements. Any more announcements from the team? | 16:15 |
| strigazi | one minor | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | ok | 16:16 |
| strigazi | I'll present our discussion in the PTG later today in the OpenStack France user group https://www.meetup.com/OpenStack-France/events/237544811/ | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | thanks strigazi for representing us!! | 16:17 |
| strigazi | people are waiting for features :) | 16:17 |
| yatinkarel | Great strigazi | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | and features we plan to deliver. | 16:17 |
| tonanhngo | maybe they can help prioritize | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | (none) | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | Essential Blueprints | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | before I ask for status on these, a few remarks... | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | these three subjects are the ones we spent the bulk of the PTG working on together as a team | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | we also performed a team retrospective, and one of the takeaways of that was that we might adjust this list | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | so that critical items were getting updates regularly every week or two | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | and items not getting updates may be downgraded if they are not truly essential | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | so here they are: | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/flatten-attributes Flatten Attributes [strigazi] (1/3) | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | this feature is about decoupling cluster templates from cluster resources so that you can create clusters without a template. | 16:21 |
| strigazi | I picked up yesterday again, so updates next week | 16:21 |
| Drago | adrian_otto: Sorry, in another meeting so I'm a bit late on this. Is there an etherpad for the retrospective? | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | ClusterTemplates act more like rubber stamps after this is done, as a convenience to users. | 16:21 |
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| adrian_otto | Drago: no, I did not assign a note taker, and I was on my feet that whole time | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | but I can sum it up in Open Discussion | 16:22 |
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| juggler | adrian_otto: please do | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | maybe we can make a retroactive etherpad then so those who were present can be sure each takeaway is recorded for posterity. | 16:23 |
| yatinkarel | +1 | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/nodegroups Nodegroups [Drago] (2/3) | 16:23 |
| Drago | We didn't talk a whole lot about nodegroups, to be honest. It was mostly about hashing out cluster upgrades | 16:23 |
| Drago | *at the PTG | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | yes, we focused primarily on the prerequisites | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | and on how we would handle a migration from api v1 | 16:24 |
| jvgrant__ | Drago: we spent 3 hours on it but yeah, cluster upgrades became the higher priority | 16:24 |
| strigazi | And that we start nodegroups from the backend | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | Drago: want to summarize our intent for backward compatibility in v1? | 16:24 |
| Drago | Sure | 16:25 |
| Drago | So we decided that until we find something that is truly backwards-incompatible with v1, we will keep adding things to v1 | 16:25 |
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| Drago | jvgrant__: anything to add? | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | so the idea WRT nodegroups was to offer them in the v1 magnum api to the extent possible. | 16:27 |
| yatinkarel | So no v2 right now? | 16:27 |
| Drago | Correct | 16:27 |
| jvgrant__ | Drago: nope you got it | 16:27 |
| yatinkarel | Drago, Ok | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | any questions about Nodegroups before I advance to the big one: Cluster Upgrades? | 16:28 |
| jvgrant__ | The goal for Pike was to get the backend of Nodegroups in place for existing v1 non-nodegroup clusters | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | yes. | 16:28 |
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| jvgrant__ | if we get to it then we will start to add nodegroup api's as experimental to begin with | 16:28 |
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| strigazi | sounds good to me | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | any more remarks on nodegroups? | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/cluster-upgrades Cluster Upgrades [strigazi] (3/3) | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | now this one is the big feature for Pike | 16:30 |
| randallburt | huge | 16:30 |
| Drago | yuge | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | the idea is that Magnum will allow drivers to upgrade clusters in place | 16:30 |
| randallburt | bigly | 16:30 |
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| strigazi | For this one, we will add with jvgrant__ one more bp that introduces a new resource named Driver | 16:30 |
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| adrian_otto | so we designed an interface, and agreed on clear lines of demarcation for what would be global to all drivers, and what drivers own. | 16:31 |
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| strigazi | It will be a versioned Resource similar to what we discussed for versioned CTs | 16:31 |
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| strigazi | The main difference is that this is a more flexible resource | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | yes, just like strigazi explained, we will have a new API resource called Driver that will allow for different verisons of a COE to be supported by a single driver plugin (what we currently call a driver) | 16:32 |
| Drago | Confusingly, you can see some details on the nodegroups etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-ptg-pike-nodegroups | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | and when a driver supports multiple versions, then it can support upgrades between them. | 16:32 |
| strigazi | that allows drivers to be significantly different one to each other | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | sorry we did not make a "Driver" etherpad | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | but we will make a spec for it that makes the idea clear | 16:33 |
| Gideon | Adrian I must leave, so I'll try later | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | ok Gideon | 16:33 |
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| yatinkarel | It looks like something on the line of Template Version spec that was earlier proposed | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | yatinkarel: astute observation!! | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | it's similar, yes. | 16:34 |
| strigazi | Another important addition is the version number in cluster with a descriptive reason | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | we reached an epiphany that cluster templates really don't have anything to do with Driver versions. | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | and that the conflation of the two was making it hard for us to accept the previous proposal | 16:35 |
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| yatinkarel | adrian_otto, strigazi Ok | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | so this is a pivot on that idea that keeps the best of it. | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | we also had an intermediate idea that we set aside in favor of a more elegant, simpler design. | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | any questions about that? | 16:37 |
| Drago | One very important difference between the Cluster Template Versions spec and the Driver resource is that Drivers can accept a config which constrains/determines which attributes can be specified during a cluster-create | 16:37 |
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| adrian_otto | yes, that can be unique in each driver version | 16:38 |
| Drago | As opposed to simply specifying values in the Template | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | we also anticipate shrinking the current number of template attributes to a shorter list in the future | 16:39 |
| Drago | adrian_otto: *cluster attributes | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | yes, cluster attributes, and corresponding template k/v pairs. | 16:39 |
| Drago | Although they'll really be the same set, either way | 16:39 |
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| adrian_otto | any more discussion on the Cluster Upgrades feature? | 16:40 |
| Drago | The idea is that with Driver configs determining the attributes exposed during a cluster-create, drivers should be able to specify what attributes they accept in general | 16:40 |
| Drago | No more apiserver_port in all drivers, for instance | 16:41 |
| yatinkarel | Thanks Drago adrian_otto for the summary, it looks interesting now and may be much it would be much clear when spec comes online. | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | yes, I'll also make a point about spec granularity when we get to the retrospective note taking section of our agenda | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | I saved an agenda item from last week as a reminder: | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | Other WOrk Items | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | Changing magnum projects from cycle-with-intermediary to cycle-with-milestones | 16:42 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://releases.openstack.org/reference/release_models.html | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | I was seeking input on whether we should change release models. Nobody opposed that change. | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | has anyone raised any concerns about this since? If not, we can submit the patches to change this. | 16:43 |
| jvgrant__ | no concerns here | 16:43 |
| strigazi | sounds good | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | also, I've spoken with strigazi about taking on a delegated responsibility as our release manager for Pike | 16:43 |
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| adrian_otto | that means he will create the release reviews, and I'll vote on them | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | but that we can make a release without my action, as needed. | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | is danil here today? | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Ocata Retrospective Note Recording | 16:45 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-ptg-pike-ocata-retrospective | 16:46 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, let's take a moment to build in our notes from the memory of this discussion while it is still fresh | 16:47 |
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| strigazi | folks, unfortunately I have to leave to make it on time for the meetup I mentioned | 16:49 |
| Drago | strigazi: Good luck! | 16:49 |
| juggler | take care strigazi | 16:49 |
| strigazi | thanks, I'll do it in English ;-) | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | thanks strigazi !! | 16:49 |
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| adrian_otto | randallburt: you came up with a continue item | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | do you remember what it was? | 16:50 |
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| adrian_otto | I remembered. It was the format of the team meetings. ;-) | 16:52 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:53 |
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| Drago | adrian_otto: Was spec review meetings one? | 16:54 |
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| adrian_otto | it was in idea from Friday, not the retrospective | 16:54 |
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| adrian_otto | but I can add it here | 16:54 |
| Drago | Okay, I couldn't remember | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | I added that to the start column. | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | so we have just under 5 mins remaining for Open Discussion | 16:56 |
| swatson_ | I wanted to bring up the topic of python-magnumclient deprecation for an openstackclient plugin solution. | 16:56 |
| swatson_ | I spoke to yatinkarel the other day about it and he suggested a team discussion | 16:56 |
| Drago | We discussed the OSC at the PTG too | 16:56 |
| swatson_ | IIRC, yatinkarel brought up the idea that we might want to maintain a magnum client specifically for users while maintaining the OSC plugin | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | yes, I'm tempted to follow the patterns of several other openstack projects where we treat the OSC client as our primary one (once ready). Our very own swatson_ has graciously agreed to work on this. | 16:57 |
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| swatson_ | I'm not sure what use cases were brought up at PTG or whether the general consensus is for deprecating python-magnumclient entirely or not | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | we should deprecate it when it becomes a burden to continue maintaining. | 16:58 |
| Drago | swatson_: Our discussion wasn't around deprecating magnumclient, but how to approach OSC. All I can really remember was we decided to ask the OSC folks for guidance on what noun to use since "cluster" is taken | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | but our intent is for the osc client to be our primary | 16:58 |
| swatson_ | adrian_otto: OK, so bring our OSC client up to speed as it were, and maintain until it becomes painful | 16:58 |
| swatson_ | Drago: I spoke to dtroyer the other day in #openstack-sdks and came up with using "infra" as something of a prefix. e.g. "openstack infra cluster list" | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | swatson_: yes. | 16:59 |
| yatinkarel | Yes we should move to osc as i think it is one of the openstack mission | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | I will ass this to next weeks agenda for further explaration | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | *add | 16:59 |
| yatinkarel | Yes we should move to osc as i think it is one of the openstack mission | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | time for us to wrap up today | 16:59 |
| Drago | "infra" doesn't sound like magnum to me | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | our next team meeting will be on 2017-03-07 at 1600 UTC in #openstack-meeting-alt | 17:00 |
| swatson_ | Drago: We can talk about it in #openstack-containers | 17:00 |
| Drago | k | 17:00 |
| juggler | wraptime | 17:00 |
| yatinkarel | deprecating can be think later | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | see you there. Thanks everyone for attending. | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 28 17:00:26 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2017/containers.2017-02-28-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2017/containers.2017-02-28-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2017/containers.2017-02-28-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| juggler | thx adrian_otto for presiding | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto | ;) | 17:00 |
| felipemonteiro | #startmeeting murano | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 28 17:01:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is felipemonteiro. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:01 |
| felipemonteiro | #topic Roll Call | 17:01 |
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| felipemonteiro | o/ | 17:01 |
| learnmore | o/ | 17:01 |
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| felipemonteiro | learnmore: Hi | 17:02 |
| learnmore | Hi. How was the PTG? | 17:02 |
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| felipemonteiro | Was really fun. We agreed on most things we discussed there as a team. | 17:03 |
| learnmore | Good to hear. Any update on the new UI? Anyone working on it? | 17:03 |
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| felipemonteiro | learnmore: No, unfortunately not. Mirantis had a dedicated UI developer that no longer works there. Right now there aren't too many developers working on the project, except for myself. | 17:05 |
| felipemonteiro | #topic Open Discussion | 17:05 |
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| felipemonteiro | It's something I want to do, but I already have too many thing son my plate. | 17:05 |
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| learnmore | I suspected this would be the answer. No problem. I am interested in this area too. What happened with Glare? | 17:06 |
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| felipemonteiro | Needs to be upgraded to v1. | 17:08 |
| felipemonteiro | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-pike-priorities | 17:08 |
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| learnmore | I have another question for you. I created a blueprint for murano about a month ago. I am not sure of the process. What is the next step? How do I get this blueprint approved? | 17:09 |
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| learnmore | Thanks for the pointer to the etherpad. I was going to ask about Pike plans. | 17:10 |
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| felipemonteiro | Do you have a link to the blueprint? | 17:11 |
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| learnmore | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/devicename-from-volume-attachment | 17:12 |
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| learnmore | I would like to implement this blueprint for Pike. This is my first time contributing to Murano (and OpenStack too). | 17:16 |
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| felipemonteiro | For the blueprint to be approved, it really only needs its priority to be set. If a spec is required in addition to a blueprint, then a target milestone also needs to be set (which you've mentioned is Pike). | 17:17 |
| felipemonteiro | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints | 17:17 |
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| felipemonteiro | If you intend on working it, you can add yourself as the Assignee on the bp. You can also optionally add me as the Approver. | 17:19 |
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| learnmore | O.k. Will do. Once I figure out how I will implement this, I will update the blueprint with more information. | 17:20 |
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| felipemonteiro | You may also find this useful: https://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/blueprints.html | 17:25 |
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| felipemonteiro | It'll give you an idea as to whether or not you need to draft a spec for your bp. | 17:25 |
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| learnmore | Thanks. I updated the blueprint and assigned it to myself. Added you as the approver. And now I will figure out how to change the priority. I probably will set it to high. | 17:29 |
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| learnmore | For us, it is really essential that it be implemented in Pike. | 17:29 |
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| felipemonteiro | learnmore: I changed the priority for you | 17:32 |
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| learnmore | Thank you. | 17:33 |
| learnmore | The milestone target does not have a value for Murano Pike. I assume I should just use Murano ongoing? | 17:35 |
| felipemonteiro | Yeah. I'll have to go in and upate it. | 17:36 |
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| learnmore | O.k. I'll leave it as is. | 17:36 |
| learnmore | That's all I had for this meeting. Appreciate the help. | 17:39 |
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| felipemonteiro | learnmore: No problem, if you have any other questions feel free to email | 17:40 |
| felipemonteiro | If no one has any other items, I'll go ahead and end early :) | 17:40 |
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| learnmore | Ok. Just let me know when the blueprint gets approved. | 17:40 |
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| felipemonteiro | learnmore: Sure, I'll have to look at it more carefully. | 17:41 |
| learnmore | Actually, I should say gets approved for Pike. | 17:41 |
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| learnmore | No problem. I didn't expect it to be approved right away. | 17:41 |
| learnmore | Later. | 17:42 |
| felipemonteiro | learnmore: Later | 17:43 |
| felipemonteiro | #endmeeting | 17:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 28 17:43:56 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2017/murano.2017-02-28-17.01.html | 17:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2017/murano.2017-02-28-17.01.txt | 17:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2017/murano.2017-02-28-17.01.log.html | 17:44 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 28 19:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:00 |
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| pvaneck | o/ | 19:04 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-17-02-28 | 19:04 |
| luzC | o/ | 19:04 |
| catherineD | hello luzC: pvaneck: | 19:05 |
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| catherineD | I just ping mguiney: | 19:06 |
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| catherineD | let's start | 19:06 |
| catherineD | #topic Pike PTG action items | 19:06 |
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| catherineD | #link Pike PTG action items ( https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-pike-ptg ) | 19:06 |
| catherineD | For the Pike cycle ... our top 5 list are listed in the etherpad | 19:07 |
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| catherineD | pvaneck: catherineD: do I miss any other items? | 19:09 |
| pvaneck | that about covers it | 19:09 |
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| catherineD | for today's meeting let's just concentrate on documentation ... | 19:10 |
| catherineD | mguiney: hello here is the agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-17-02-28 | 19:10 |
| catherineD | #topic Displaying RefStack documentation | 19:10 |
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| mguiney | hello! | 19:11 |
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| catherineD | this is one of the 5 items that we want to complete this cycle .. since mguiney: has started a spec we will discuss it today ... | 19:12 |
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| catherineD | but from priority point of view I think "Update existing certified data with the verified flag" should have higher priority .... | 19:13 |
| catherineD | back to documentation .. | 19:13 |
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| catherineD | #link spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437175/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438122/ | 19:13 |
| catherineD | mguiney: should these be merged into one spec? | 19:14 |
| mguiney | yes, i have been meaning to do so, and the second of the two has actually been added to the first as a patch 2 | 19:15 |
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| mguiney | I just initially made a workflow error which resulted in the second spec | 19:15 |
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| catherineD | yea we have all been there ... done worry about it ... | 19:16 |
| catherineD | see your patch 2 ... in that case let's abandon https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438122/ ? | 19:16 |
| luzC | ++ I haven't review the spec... but just as a heads up, sphinx is build into refstack | 19:17 |
| catherineD | luzC: yup that is what we need to discuss today | 19:17 |
| catherineD | let's go through what we have today .. | 19:18 |
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| catherineD | so most of the RefStack document are in RST format .. | 19:18 |
| mguiney | that sounds good, yes | 19:18 |
| luzC | if you run "tox -e docs" a man and html versions are created from the .rst formats... | 19:18 |
| catherineD | and as luzC: indicates sphinx is build into RefStack so we do have a way to convert to html | 19:19 |
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| luzC | command will create folder "build/sphinx/html" | 19:19 |
| catherineD | luzC: as pvaneck: pointed out these are full-fledged html with several js and css dependencies . | 19:21 |
| pvaneck | i was thinking of having the rsts converted into something more basic that can be brought in as angular templates in the UI | 19:21 |
| catherineD | and if we want to host that at the RefStack website .. the look and feel maybe different too | 19:21 |
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| pvaneck | so will need to investigate if docutils (which sphinx uses to convert) can do a more basic html conversion | 19:22 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: ++ | 19:23 |
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| catherineD | I think luzC: had organized the rst doc structure well that if we can do a more basic html conversion to match RefStack site's look&feel then it would be good | 19:24 |
| luzC | pvaneck ok, I guess it should be possible by changing sphinx config file... as you said, need further investigation | 19:24 |
| pvaneck | luzC, right, i will look into it | 19:25 |
| catherineD | the only concern I have is if we do so ... these will be RefStack specific and we will need to support the code .. and we deviate from the normal way OpenStack projects do docs | 19:25 |
| catherineD | if it is just config then it may not be that bad | 19:25 |
| luzC | catherineD yes, I think the first path is to investigate about the configuration within sphinx, as second option have static html files... just for maintainability would be better to have the same source files | 19:27 |
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| catherineD | #agreed pvaneck: will investigate whether docutils can be used for more basic html to match RefStack site's look&feel | 19:27 |
| catherineD | luzC: + | 19:28 |
| catherineD | let's revisit this after pvaneck: 's investigation ... | 19:29 |
| catherineD | mguiney: just a note --> currently, it is possible to access RefStack docs from the RefStack website https://refstack.openstack.org/#/about | 19:29 |
| luzC | one tool I used in the past for file conversion is "pandoc" but don't remember the output or license constraints | 19:30 |
| catherineD | however, these are in RST format ... what we want is html for a better look and feel | 19:30 |
| catherineD | luzC: do you know whether the doc team is usng sphinx? | 19:31 |
| hogepodge | o/ sorry I'm so late, conflicting meeting | 19:31 |
| mguiney | catherineD: the goal was to get across the idea that it reroutes you to the rst docs, rather than having the docs available natively. I can update the wording to better reflect this, if needed | 19:32 |
| mguiney | "natively" meaning what you mentioned, in html | 19:32 |
| catherineD | mguiney: yea | 19:33 |
| luzC | catherineD I'm not sure but I can investigate how documentation is doing it | 19:33 |
| catherineD | mguiney: thx | 19:33 |
| catherineD | luzC: that would be great thx | 19:34 |
| catherineD | I would really want us to avoid one-of implementation if possible .. | 19:34 |
| mguiney | i will get right on that | 19:34 |
| catherineD | but sometime it may not make sense ... | 19:35 |
| catherineD | mguiney: thx again! | 19:35 |
| catherineD | so I guess we will revisit this topic next week so that mguiney: can update the spec based on the findings | 19:36 |
| catherineD | any other thoughts on this topic? | 19:36 |
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| catherineD | hearing none .. let's moving on to the next topic .. | 19:37 |
| catherineD | #topic Open discussion | 19:38 |
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| catherineD | #topic Update existing certified data with the verified flag | 19:39 |
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| pvaneck | yea, posted some notes on what API calls will be needed for that | 19:39 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: mguiney: I think this should have higher priority | 19:39 |
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| catherineD | pvaneck: great thank you | 19:39 |
| catherineD | since we are still waiting for the investigation results for the doc spec ... | 19:40 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: mguiney: are you OK to start this work? | 19:41 |
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| mguiney | I have been looking into it, and was actually going to ask about the API calls today | 19:41 |
| mguiney | so that is awesome timing | 19:41 |
| catherineD | mguiney: perfect .. | 19:42 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: can read our minds :-) | 19:42 |
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| hogepodge | we're meeting later today and can talk about it then too. | 19:42 |
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| catherineD | since this may be an one time effort ... does the team think we need spec or just go right into implementation ? | 19:43 |
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| pvaneck | dont think a spec is needed | 19:43 |
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| catherineD | pvaneck: ++ | 19:44 |
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| catherineD | I think those tools may be useful later too so may be they can reside in the refstack/tools directory .. | 19:45 |
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| hogepodge | for a one-off, a spec may be overkill. we should do careful code review without a spec, since this will touch the database | 19:46 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: ++ | 19:46 |
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| catherineD | hogepodge: when we do the test run .. we may want to do it on a small number of record to begin with ... we also want to take a backup before that | 19:47 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: ++ | 19:47 |
| * mguiney nods | 19:48 | |
| catherineD | mguiney: do you have a test RefStack Server to test with ? we can work with you to build one | 19:48 |
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| catherineD | in your env ... of course we will test in ours too | 19:48 |
| mguiney | my thought wasto perhaps run it on a dummy database until we can be sure it is safe to run | 19:48 |
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| mguiney | and yes, i do have a refstack server instance set up for this | 19:49 |
| catherineD | mguiney: yup .. for us to test ... we will need the format of your original data that hogepodge: gave you .. we will create our test file to run the test | 19:49 |
| catherineD | mguiney: that is great .. | 19:49 |
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| mguiney | that would make sense | 19:50 |
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| mguiney | the db running on my refstack server is not currently populated with test data, but when that is populated, that will be more possible | 19:51 |
| mguiney | although i may very well be misunderstanding what you need | 19:51 |
| catherineD | yea we need both the anonymois data record in the database. We also need a set of links that represent the verified data ... | 19:53 |
| mguiney | makes sense. i will supply those as soon as possible | 19:54 |
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| catherineD | we just need the format .. like if it is a spreadsheet with colume names etc | 19:55 |
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| mguiney | I believe that that is the format, but I will be meeting with hogepodge later, so i will confirm details then | 19:57 |
| catherineD | any other comments | 19:57 |
| catherineD | mguiney: yup thx | 19:57 |
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| catherineD | I think we can close up for the day .. | 19:58 |
| catherineD | thanks everyone | 19:59 |
| luzC | bye | 19:59 |
| catherineD | bye! | 19:59 |
| catherineD | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 28 19:59:25 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2017/refstack.2017-02-28-19.00.html | 19:59 |
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