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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 9 14:00:15 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:00 |
| diga | o/ | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Good UGT morning to you all! | 14:00 |
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| rfolco | o/ | 14:01 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:01 |
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| _gryf | o/ | 14:02 |
| edleafe | anyone know if jaypipes is around today? | 14:02 |
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| cdent | he was moving code earlier today | 14:02 |
| cdent | (around 5am his time...) | 14:02 |
| edleafe | ugh. I don't move my eyelids that early | 14:03 |
| cdent | could be he' s got a bit to move his eyelids for him | 14:03 |
| cdent | bot | 14:03 |
| * cdent sighs | 14:03 | |
| edleafe | Well, let's get started | 14:04 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs and Reviews | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs and Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:04 | |
| edleafe | Getting a list of filtered RPs | 14:04 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392569/ | 14:04 |
| edleafe | bauzas? | 14:04 |
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| bauzas | yup ? | 14:05 |
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| bauzas | oh, an error | 14:05 |
| edleafe | Any news or items to discuss on that? | 14:05 |
| bauzas | graaah, it's probably about the previous merge | 14:05 |
| bauzas | I mean, the rebase | 14:06 |
| edleafe | no, that looked like a CI issue, not yours | 14:06 |
| bauzas | FWIW, I had no time to look at the issue | 14:06 |
| bauzas | just discovered it | 14:06 |
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| bauzas | oh yeah | 14:06 |
| bauzas | http://logs.openstack.org/69/392569/24/check/gate-nova-python27-db-ubuntu-xenial/f79d32b/console.html#_2017-01-09_09_23_51_578225 :( | 14:06 |
| edleafe | Is there anything we can do to help (besides reviews)? | 14:07 |
| bauzas | and http://logs.openstack.org/69/392569/24/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-placement-full-ubuntu-xenial-nv/544860f/console.html#_2017-01-09_09_26_43_279546 :( | 14:07 |
| bauzas | edleafe: well, I'll just upload the scheduler patch by today | 14:07 |
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| edleafe | ok, so no blockers | 14:08 |
| edleafe | Next up... | 14:08 |
| edleafe | #topic Placement Client | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Placement Client (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:08 | |
| edleafe | Also bauzas on this one | 14:08 |
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| edleafe | Anything to discuss? | 14:08 |
| bauzas | like I said, I'll provide the change tonight or tomorrow | 14:09 |
| bauzas | for the moment, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/417111/4 is WIP | 14:09 |
| edleafe | ok, cool - just checking if there were any issues | 14:09 |
| cdent | I think part of the topic there is do we need to think about the when/how of a python-placementclient | 14:09 |
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| bauzas | because I'd like to see us merging first the scheduler change | 14:10 |
| cdent | (something I've been mentioned on the rp update emails for a while) | 14:10 |
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| bauzas | cdent: not really yet | 14:10 |
| edleafe | cdent: yes, agreed. Personally, it seems a bit premature | 14:10 |
| cdent | I agree with bauzas, though, that we don't need one for the scheduler changes | 14:10 |
| bauzas | cdent: I think it could be something for Pike | 14:10 |
| bauzas | but not for Ocata | 14:10 |
| edleafe | bauzas: +1 | 14:10 |
| cdent | the thing I think we're ignoring is people wanting to make shared disk providers | 14:10 |
| cdent | the specs describe openstack client commands for creating those | 14:11 |
| cdent | it's fine if we're putting that off to later, but I think we can be more explicit about it | 14:11 |
| edleafe | cdent: I think those specs were more aspirational, to show where we would end up, as opposed to what we commit to for Ocata | 14:12 |
| cdent | the relates to the other thing I brought up on that email: needing to pay attention to aggregates when filtering resources | 14:12 |
| edleafe | cdent: so... anything to add to the email points? | 14:14 |
| cdent | (which I guess is down there in open mmic section of the agenda so we can wait until then) | 14:14 |
| edleafe | ah, ok. | 14:14 |
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| cdent | All I would add is that it would be nice to make sure that we're all on the same page about the end game for ocata, to avoid last minute confusion. | 14:15 |
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| edleafe | Yeah, let's get into that in Opens | 14:15 |
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| edleafe | #topic Resource Tracker cleanup series | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Resource Tracker cleanup series (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:16 | |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/custom-resource-classes | 14:16 |
| edleafe | No jaypipes to discuss that | 14:16 |
| edleafe | Seems to be moving well | 14:16 |
| edleafe | Let's just keep up with reviews | 14:16 |
| edleafe | Next up: | 14:17 |
| edleafe | #topic Placement Docs | 14:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Placement Docs (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:17 | |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409340/ | 14:17 |
| edleafe | cdent? | 14:17 |
| cdent | the main sticking point on this is the need to hook it into CI | 14:17 |
| cdent | there's plenty of automation in place to deal with projects that have a single directory named 'api-ref' | 14:18 |
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| cdent | but placement adds a new directory 'placement-api-ref' | 14:18 |
| cdent | and as far as I can tell the existing automation is not parameterized | 14:18 |
| cdent | so I guess we need to duplicate it | 14:18 |
| cdent | I've only have a superficial look though... I find project-config dirs very hard to parse | 14:18 |
| cdent | (how x connects to y) | 14:19 |
| edleafe | So this is an artifact of the not-yet-split-out status? | 14:19 |
| cdent | pretty much | 14:19 |
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| edleafe | Yeah, I guess that's expected when you pretend that a single project has two separate APIs | 14:19 |
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| edleafe | OK, let's move on to Bugs | 14:20 |
| edleafe | #topic API not returning aggregate UUIDs | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API not returning aggregate UUIDs (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:20 | |
| edleafe | The code for that merged over the weekend, so keep moving, nothing to see here... | 14:20 |
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| edleafe | #topic Allocation bad input handling and dead code fixing | 14:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Allocation bad input handling and dead code fixing (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:21 | |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416751/ | 14:21 |
| edleafe | That's my series | 14:21 |
| edleafe | It's done, if only I could get CI to be happy | 14:21 |
| edleafe | So let's move on to... | 14:22 |
| edleafe | #topic Opens | 14:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Opens (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:22 | |
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| edleafe | Two things that cdent brought up | 14:22 |
| edleafe | First, is the 'can_host' field still useful? | 14:22 |
| bauzas | folks, I need to disappear as always this winter time :( | 14:22 |
| edleafe | That's more of a Jay question, since he thinks it's needed | 14:22 |
| bauzas | edleafe: I think so yeah | 14:23 |
| edleafe | ok, thanks bauzas | 14:23 |
| cdent | If we do need it, then the resource tracker needs to start using it, because I don't think it currently does? | 14:23 |
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| edleafe | I'm concerned about the special snowflake aspect of it | 14:23 |
| edleafe | It's a very compute-centric view of resources | 14:24 |
| cdent | me too, I think it is redundant can_host == (VCPU inv > 1) | 14:24 |
| edleafe | In my discussions with Jay, having a RP marked as 'shared' would accomplish the same thing | 14:24 |
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| edleafe | cdent: true, but that's also compute-centric | 14:25 |
| cdent | however: the curernt plan for filtering providers is that the list returned is just compute nodes, either because they can host the desired resources or are aggregate associated with this | 14:25 |
| cdent | s/this/with something that can | 14:25 |
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| cdent | thus my assertion that we need a test case to work backwards from | 14:25 |
| edleafe | Well, let's save this for a time when Jay is around | 14:25 |
| cdent | We realized at the end of last cycle that we were trying to do the real work too late. | 14:25 |
| cdent | So I'd like to be sure we get started sooner than later | 14:26 |
| edleafe | cdent: excellent point re: test case | 14:26 |
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| edleafe | We'd need to simulate several compute nodes as well as some shared storage, no? | 14:26 |
| cdent | seems so yeah | 14:27 |
| cdent | and associate some but not all by aggregation | 14:27 |
| edleafe | So that goes to the other point you brought up: filtering on aggregates | 14:27 |
| cdent | The fact that I can't articulate what needs to happen in a clean and clear way (to myself or anyone else) is what worries me. | 14:27 |
| edleafe | wait - you mean pages of complex SQL isn't clear to you???? | 14:28 |
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| cdent | It's clear that it is incomplete | 14:28 |
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| cdent | there's jay's email with subject "Some attachments to help with resource providers querying" that he sent out to some of us | 14:29 |
| edleafe | So this is an excellent point. Abstract models that aim to be all-encompassing really have a hard time when faced with reality | 14:29 |
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| edleafe | We need to ensure that the real world is adequately represented | 14:30 |
| cdent | yes | 14:30 |
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| edleafe | So I might have some time in the coming days to start working on a test scenario | 14:30 |
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| edleafe | If so, I | 14:31 |
| edleafe | ugh | 14:31 |
| edleafe | If so, I'll try to come up with something that we can bang on | 14:31 |
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| cdent | If you're inclined, you should be able to fake the whole thing in gabbi: creation of the resources and inventory, setting up the aggregation | 14:31 |
| cdent | then you'll see the whole where the filtering is supposed to happen | 14:31 |
| cdent | sigh | 14:31 |
| cdent | hole! | 14:31 |
| edleafe | OK, that will give me a chance to get more intimate with gabbi :) | 14:32 |
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| edleafe | So... anyone have anything else for Open Discussion? | 14:33 |
| _gryf | yeah, just a heads up. I've started to work on BP for providing distinctive messages for errors (especially on 409 errors) for placement API. I'll push it soon. | 14:33 |
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| cdent | aw crap, I saw that earlier in last week I meant to include it in the email _gryf | 14:33 |
| _gryf | it's targeted to pike, and I've already was pointed to the right direction by cdent | 14:33 |
| diga | Hi All, I am working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/placement-notifications BP | 14:33 |
| edleafe | distinctive in what way? | 14:33 |
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| diga | I had chat with gibi on notification & suggested me to submit the spec for this BP | 14:34 |
| edleafe | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/placement-notifications | 14:34 |
| _gryf | edleafe, to provide a json in the payload in response | 14:34 |
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| _gryf | with details what was wrong | 14:34 |
| edleafe | Details are always nice :) | 14:34 |
| _gryf | yeah… | 14:35 |
| diga | edleafe: I will submit on WIF PS by today EOD | 14:35 |
| cdent | I think the key aspect of the 409 distinction stuff is the use of an internal code | 14:35 |
| cdent | as defined by the api-wg errors guideline | 14:35 |
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| edleafe | diga: cool. Be sure to add that link to the agenda next week if you want more feedback | 14:35 |
| cdent | diga: were you able to figure out all the stuff about versioned notifications okay? | 14:36 |
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| _gryf | edleafe, yup | 14:36 |
| diga | edleafe: Sure | 14:36 |
| rfolco | I have started investigating the issue on earlier microversions returning 404 instead of 405, does this overlaps with some of the above ? | 14:36 |
| diga | cdent: yeah, going through all the details. gibi has suggested some docs to go through first | 14:36 |
| diga | cdent: I still need to go through versioned object, will go through it today | 14:37 |
| edleafe | rfolco: that depends on the microversion change, right? | 14:37 |
| diga | cdent: placement-api service working with devstack in my setup :) | 14:37 |
| cdent | rfolco: as far as I know the 404 when it should be 405 is probably only present on your DELETE inventories change and despite what I said on that review, the proper fix is probably to be explicit in your handler instead of using the version_handler decorator | 14:38 |
| edleafe | You're adding a new method to a resource | 14:38 |
| cdent | the decorator doesn't have access to the Route map, so it is a bit complicate for it to choose between 404 and 405. | 14:38 |
| rfolco | oh I see, I thought that return code would apply for any previous microversion method | 14:38 |
| edleafe | rfolco: if you expose a new resource via a microversion, earlier versions should return 404 | 14:39 |
| rfolco | I thought it should return NotAllowed instead | 14:39 |
| rfolco | ok, would align this with cdent later | 14:39 |
| cdent | 405 on new method on existing resource | 14:39 |
| cdent | 404 on entirely new resource | 14:40 |
| edleafe | exactly. For earlier versions, that resource didn't exist | 14:40 |
| cdent | rfolco: yeah, find me and we can talk about it more if needed | 14:40 |
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| rfolco | cdent, deal | 14:41 |
| edleafe | Anything else for Opens? | 14:41 |
| edleafe | Or can I go make another batch of coffee? | 14:41 |
| edleafe | Oh, one more thing! | 14:42 |
| cdent | but wait | 14:42 |
| cdent | there's more | 14:42 |
| edleafe | I'll be away next week | 14:42 |
| edleafe | cdent: can you run the meeting? | 14:42 |
| cdent | yup | 14:42 |
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| edleafe | ok, thanks | 14:42 |
| edleafe | I think that's everything... (fingers crossed) | 14:42 |
| cdent | I'm going to change everything so we aren't persisting resource tracking | 14:43 |
| edleafe | cdent: cool. Will that be ready later today? | 14:43 |
| cdent | DHT over IPFS for global resource state | 14:43 |
| cdent | in about 5 minutes | 14:43 |
| edleafe | should be a no-brainer | 14:43 |
| cdent | totes | 14:44 |
| edleafe | OK, thanks everyone! | 14:44 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:44 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 9 14:44:12 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-01-09-14.00.html | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-01-09-14.00.txt | 14:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-01-09-14.00.log.html | 14:44 |
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| korzen | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 9 15:01:12 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is korzen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
| korzen | hi all | 15:01 |
| sshank | Hello | 15:01 |
| asingh_ | Hello | 15:01 |
| korzen | hello in first team meeting in 2017 | 15:01 |
| * dasm is sitting in corner, and watching at world in flames... | 15:01 | |
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| ihrachys | o/ | 15:02 |
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| korzen | hope you had a nice holidays and recharged your batteries | 15:02 |
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| korzen | taking a look at agenda | 15:02 |
| korzen | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam Agenda | 15:02 |
| dasanind | hi | 15:02 |
| korzen | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:03 | |
| korzen | we have 3 weeks left till ocata-3 | 15:03 |
| korzen | which is 25 Jan | 15:03 |
| korzen | so we better settle down today what is important for this last weeks to complete in Ocata | 15:04 |
| korzen | ihrachys, any other announcements? | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | I will just update everyone that I am now in PCT (West Coast) time zone | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | but I start early (6am early) so there is time to sync with Europe too | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | nothing else | 15:05 |
| dasm | ihrachys: welcome in "brave new world"! | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | thanks | 15:05 |
| korzen | good to hear for US folks, more time for us to sync with Ihar :) | 15:05 |
| korzen | for US | 15:05 |
| korzen | ok moving on | 15:06 |
| korzen | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Partial Multinode Grenade (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:06 | |
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| korzen | linux gate is failing | 15:06 |
| korzen | #link http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate?panelId=8&fullscreen | 15:06 |
| korzen | if anyone is interested in debugging | 15:07 |
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| korzen | it would be nice to take a look | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | I checked logs before, nothing obvious | 15:08 |
| korzen | does anyone worked on testing mixed version of neutron server running? | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | so maybe local reproduction could be of use, though multinode devstack setups are not easy | 15:08 |
| sshank | korzen, I think manjeets was trying it out sometime back. | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | re mixed versions, I haven't looked at it, but I believe that should be a priority for the remaining Ocata time | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | ideally, we prove it works and then announce that as an experimental feature of the release | 15:10 |
| korzen | it would be nice if someone could step up and test in manual way | 15:10 |
| korzen | I have not synced with dolphm on that matter, how OSIC QA team is progressing on the gating | 15:11 |
| korzen | manjeets, did you have any progress on the mixed version testing? | 15:12 |
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| korzen | I guess he is not around | 15:13 |
| manjeets | o/ sorry for being late | 15:13 |
| manjeets | korzen it did not try it yet | 15:13 |
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| manjeets | i setup env but was then got side tracked | 15:13 |
| korzen | ok, so If noone has any input, I have work for it this week | 15:13 |
| korzen | trying to setup the multinode devstack and try to perform some manual tests | 15:14 |
| korzen | I can work for it* | 15:14 |
| korzen | I will update you on the next meeting | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | thanks korzen | 15:14 |
| korzen | #action korzen to setup the mutlinode devstack env and try to test the mixed version of neutron server scenario | 15:15 |
| korzen | ok, moving next | 15:15 |
| korzen | #topic Object implementation | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Object implementation (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:15 | |
| korzen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/adopt-oslo-versioned-objects-for-db | 15:16 |
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| korzen | what have merged since last meeting | 15:16 |
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| korzen | so we have FlatAllocation OVO and Port OVO in ml2/db | 15:16 |
| korzen | there are many objects adoption in flight | 15:17 |
| korzen | but the most important one is PortBinding | 15:17 |
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| korzen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407868/ Integration of (Distributed) Port Binding OVO | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | I believe https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411830/10 is its dependency? | 15:18 |
| korzen | not counting the merge conflict, the patch should be ready to review | 15:18 |
| korzen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411830/ DictOfMiscValuesField | 15:18 |
| korzen | yes, | 15:18 |
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| ihrachys | and we proved it fixes the issue we had? | 15:18 |
| korzen | the new OVO field type for Port and Agent is handling full pythonic dict | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | ok I see the port binding patch was blessed by Jenkins. I assume it means it indeed helped. | 15:19 |
| korzen | ihrachys, yes, I have added agent and port binding test cases to 411830 | 15:20 |
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| ihrachys | cool, I will bubble it up in my review queue for today. | 15:20 |
| korzen | so, from now on, when some have to use JSON blob as field type, dictOfMiscValuesField should be used | 15:21 |
| korzen | DictOfStringField had this limitation that the values can be only the string, or numbers/bools converted to string | 15:21 |
| korzen | anyone has some important object patches to review? | 15:22 |
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| dasm | i would like to see someone looking at this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382659/ | 15:22 |
| dasm | it's layer between keystone v3 and ovo | 15:22 |
| korzen | yes, that one | 15:22 |
| manjeets | quotas ovo | 15:23 |
| dasanind | RouterL3AgentBinding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360908/ | 15:23 |
| manjeets | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338625/ | 15:23 |
| manjeets | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416352/ to break circular import issue for quotas | 15:24 |
| manjeets | until lib release this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416364/ | 15:24 |
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| korzen | so as far as our goal for Ocata, unless some feature is not modifying the DB model, the OVO is not critical | 15:24 |
| korzen | like for PortBinding, which will be adding new PK and 'status' field | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | and I believe that's the only feature that could reasonably land in Ocata right? | 15:26 |
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| korzen | yes, I guess that is true | 15:26 |
| korzen | the last thing that we are missing is online data migration framework | 15:26 |
| korzen | but PortBinding for LM is not affected by not having the online data migration | 15:27 |
| * ihrachys leaves the audience early to attend another meeting, sorry | 15:27 | |
| korzen | since, we will add new field that is by default empty string does not have to be online migrated | 15:27 |
| dasanind | korzen: and ihrachys : for LM data model changes I will need some review on this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404293/ | 15:28 |
| korzen | this is what I have came up when thinking about data migration | 15:28 |
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| korzen | ok dasanind, I will take a look | 15:29 |
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| dasanind | korzen: thank you | 15:29 |
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| sshank | korzen, any ideas on the port binding level synthetic field issue I mentioned in the comments of that patch? | 15:29 |
| korzen | dasanind, It would be nice to test your change in mixed version env | 15:30 |
| korzen | sshank, which one? | 15:30 |
| dasanind | korzen: yeah that's right | 15:30 |
| sshank | korzen, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382037/ | 15:30 |
| korzen | sshank, I did not have time to look at it | 15:31 |
| korzen | Will take a look ASAP | 15:31 |
| manjeets | korzen, for mixed versions test how many network nodes will be running | 15:31 |
| sshank | korzen, Okay. Thanks. | 15:31 |
| manjeets | 2 or 3 ? | 15:32 |
| korzen | manjeets, network nodes should be 2 | 15:32 |
| korzen | but the neutron-server instances will be at least 2 | 15:32 |
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| korzen | and the neutron-server is the most important here | 15:33 |
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| korzen | beacause we need to test the API nodes | 15:33 |
| korzen | in mixed version | 15:33 |
| manjeets | okay master and newton version of server | 15:33 |
| korzen | the network node should be already tested in grenade multinode | 15:34 |
| korzen | ok, moving next | 15:34 |
| korzen | #topic Other patches on review | 15:34 |
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| korzen | since we already touched some of patches, port binding for LM | 15:35 |
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| manjeets | I sent some links earlier would be great if can get some reviews on those | 15:35 |
| korzen | anyone has some interesting patches to share? | 15:35 |
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| korzen | manjeets, yes I will take them in my queue | 15:35 |
| manjeets | thank you korzen | 15:36 |
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| korzen | I would like to remind you of | 15:36 |
| korzen | #link https://review.openstack.org/336518 devref about OVO in neutron | 15:36 |
| korzen | thanks for all of the reviews, I would need to ping ihrachys to review ^ :) | 15:37 |
| ndahiwade | korzen: ihrachys : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360799/ | 15:37 |
| ndahiwade | It's almost ready will fix the functional test today:) | 15:38 |
| korzen | ndahiwade, good, added to the queue :) | 15:38 |
| korzen | I wanted also to talk about methods in OVO classes | 15:39 |
| ndahiwade | korzen, thanks:) | 15:39 |
| korzen | Methods in OVO class returning non-OVO output | 15:39 |
| korzen | like here: ○ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381209/17/neutron/objects/router.py@103 | 15:39 |
| korzen | My opinion is that classmethod in OVO class should return OVO | 15:39 |
| korzen | do you have any drawbacks of that assumption? | 15:40 |
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| manjeets | korzen, i have one quotas | 15:41 |
| sshank | korzen, In that example, I moved it inside the class because it had a complex join. | 15:41 |
| korzen | sshank, yes, and moving it to OVO class is a good idea | 15:42 |
| sshank | korzen, Right now it is returning a list of Router models but since router OVO is not ready yet, it is not returning OVOs | 15:42 |
| korzen | sshank, ok | 15:42 |
| manjeets | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338625/23/neutron/objects/quota.py@94 | 15:43 |
| korzen | sshank, so the example is not so good :) | 15:43 |
| korzen | but the main point stays the same | 15:43 |
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| korzen | manjeets, good one | 15:43 |
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| korzen | manjeets, I was thinking of returning reservation OVO | 15:44 |
| sshank | korzen, I think this is returning non OVO: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377074/35/neutron/objects/l3agent.py@42 | 15:44 |
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| dasanind | korzen: my understanding is if the class method needs to return OVO we need to translate the model returned by the query to object is that correct? | 15:44 |
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| korzen | sshank, yes, we can have some special methods returing ids | 15:45 |
| korzen | sshank, it is fine | 15:45 |
| manjeets | korzen, i would trying doing may be more refactoring of code if returns anything instead of dictionary | 15:45 |
| korzen | it is named get_..._ids | 15:45 |
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| korzen | dasanind, yes, we need to evaluate query inside OVO classmethod and call load_object on the result | 15:46 |
| korzen | my main point is to not to return query sqlalchemy object | 15:46 |
| dasanind | korzen: do you have an example? | 15:47 |
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| korzen | dasanind, would need to look for, but it should be smth like: return [self.load_object(x) for x in query)] | 15:48 |
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| dasanind | korzen: thanks, will try that for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377074/35/neutron/objects/l3agent.py@42 | 15:49 |
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| korzen | dasanind, yes, thanks | 15:49 |
| korzen | #topic Open discussion | 15:49 |
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| korzen | ok, do you have any more questions comments? | 15:50 |
| korzen | ok, if not, then | 15:52 |
| korzen | #endmeeting | 15:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 9 15:52:11 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-01-09-15.01.html | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-01-09-15.01.txt | 15:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-01-09-15.01.log.html | 15:52 |
| manjeets | bye thanks | 15:52 |
| korzen | thanks all | 15:52 |
| korzen | bye | 15:52 |
| sshank | Thanks korzen | 15:52 |
| ndahiwade | thanks:) | 15:52 |
| dasanind | Thank you korzen | 15:52 |
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| amrith | <cough><cough>oslo meeting anyone? | 16:00 |
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| johnsom | o/ | 16:02 |
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| gcb_ | I just lost my connections :(, If we have no weekly meeting , we can discuss in the chanel openstack-oslo | 16:10 |
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| amrith | gcb_, hello | 16:17 |
| amrith | sorry, nothing | 16:17 |
| amrith | was just wondering | 16:17 |
| amrith | my internet connection bounced as well | 16:17 |
| gcb_ | amrith, we can discuss anything in channel openstack-oslo :-) | 16:17 |
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| amrith | yup, but I don't have anything :) | 16:18 |
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| dave-mccowan | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 9 20:00:50 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dave-mccowan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic roll call | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:01 | |
| kfarr | \o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | o/ | 20:01 |
| dave-mccowan | Happy New Year Barbican! | 20:01 |
| dave-mccowan | hi kfarr | 20:01 |
| dave-mccowan | hi redrobot | 20:01 |
| redrobot | 2017 is the year of the Barbican, I can feel it!!! | 20:02 |
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| diazjf | o/ | 20:02 |
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| woodster_ | @redrobot: it's about time! | 20:02 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 20:02 |
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| dave-mccowan | our agenda is in the usual spot: | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic Castellan Release | 20:04 |
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| kfarr | Did someone ask for the release? I can cut the release | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | kfarr, jaosorior asked if we could cut a new Castallan release. what do you think? | 20:04 |
| kfarr | Oh for sure | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | thanks! | 20:04 |
| kfarr | I was hoping to get some of my list features in, but I can do one now, and then another one later | 20:04 |
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| dave-mccowan | he was looking for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400234/ in particular | 20:05 |
| dave-mccowan | moving on... | 20:05 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic Tempest Testing | 20:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest Testing (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:06 | |
| dave-mccowan | does anyone have an update on this? | 20:06 |
| kfarr | Dane asked me to ask for reviews | 20:06 |
| kfarr | Marc Koderer's patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418019/ | 20:06 |
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| kfarr | Secrets API test: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/417468/ | 20:06 |
| dave-mccowan | dane, marc, kfarr and others have been submiting patches to a new repo for tempest tests. | 20:06 |
| dave-mccowan | all cores: we need to add that repo to our watch list | 20:07 |
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| kfarr | ** Marc Koderer's patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409725/ | 20:07 |
| alee | o/ | 20:07 |
| dave-mccowan | hi alee | 20:07 |
| redrobot | for the record I'm not pleased with the code duplication in adding yet another thin client layer to the tempest repo | 20:07 |
| redrobot | but apparently that's the "OpenStack Way" | 20:08 |
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| alee | dave-mccowan, heya! | 20:08 |
| dave-mccowan | redrobot the QA team was pretty insistent that this was the way to do it. marc and dane have been following their prescription to the letter. | 20:09 |
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| dave-mccowan | alee, did you catch the code review requests for the tempest testing repo? | 20:10 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan yep, just wanted to make sure I voiced my concerns. I suppose there's not much we can do about it. | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | redrobot cool. noted. i hate duplication too. | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic ocata work items | 20:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ocata work items (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:11 | |
| dave-mccowan | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-tracker-ocata | 20:11 |
| dave-mccowan | we're pretty light on new features for Ocata. which is fine, we planned for Ocata to be a maturing cycle. | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | the cross-project testing with tempest will help our stability. | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | milestone-3 is in two weeks. is there anything planned for it? | 20:12 |
| redrobot | I'm working on adding UUIDs to our api. mkoderer___ had started a patch, but he hasn't answered any of my comments on his patch in weeks, so I'm implementing an alternative patch. | 20:13 |
| redrobot | iirc that was supposed to help with the tempest thin client | 20:13 |
| redrobot | will also fix an annoying bug in python-openstacksdk | 20:13 |
| dave-mccowan | redrobot awesome! thanks! give a shout when you need a code review. | 20:14 |
| dave-mccowan | are there any other items that should be higher priority for Ocata that's not getting enough attention? | 20:15 |
| redrobot | it would be good to make progress in the CA-features deprecation | 20:15 |
| redrobot | I may have some time after the ID stuff | 20:15 |
| redrobot | also can we add "Adding UUID IDs" to the agenda today? I had a couple of questions about it. | 20:16 |
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| dave-mccowan | sounds good. let's talk about both UUID IDs and CA-features deprecation. | 20:16 |
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| dave-mccowan | #topic Adding UUID IDs | 20:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding UUID IDs (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:16 | |
| redrobot | right, so I'm working on that | 20:17 |
| redrobot | first question is on the format of UUIDs | 20:17 |
| redrobot | looks like we use UUID4 everywhere, which means our uuids have dashes in them | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | was playing with the keystone api and they use uuids without dashes | 20:17 |
| redrobot | not sure which way we want to go with the new ID properties? | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | e.g. 51b4c166-af93-4c90-a4ac-f3b59e5c20e9 vs 51b4c166af934c90a4acf3b59e5c20e9 | 20:18 |
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| dave-mccowan | redrobot have you surveyed any other project on this? | 20:20 |
| redrobot | I'm thinking probably with dashes so they can be used to build URLs? Because urls will 404 without the dashes? | 20:20 |
| kfarr | redrobot, I was thinking with dashes, too. I didn't know keystone didn't use dashes | 20:21 |
| dave-mccowan | looks like nova keeps the dashes | 20:21 |
| redrobot | kfarr Keystone v3 doesn't | 20:22 |
| redrobot | cool, sounds good to me | 20:22 |
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| dave-mccowan | +1 with dashes | 20:22 |
| kfarr | it would be interesting to track down why they switched | 20:22 |
| kfarr | +1 dashes | 20:23 |
| redrobot | ok, next question | 20:23 |
| redrobot | I'm not sure what a " new API extension" means in the context of api chagnes | 20:25 |
| redrobot | *changes | 20:25 |
| redrobot | #link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/evaluating_api_changes.html#guidance | 20:25 |
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| redrobot | I'm mainly concerned that adding the ID property would break backwards compat in the eyes of the api-wg | 20:26 |
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| dave-mccowan | redrobot look like they allow "adding a project to a resource representation". what's your concern? | 20:28 |
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| redrobot | dave-mccowan I may be reading it wrong, but to me it seems like adding the property requires a "new API extension" | 20:29 |
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| dave-mccowan | oh, got it. then the question is "what's required for a new api extension?" | 20:30 |
| dave-mccowan | i guess we need more research on this. | 20:31 |
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| dave-mccowan | we can check with api-wg for an explanation. their web pages on the topic still list "TODO". | 20:31 |
| dave-mccowan | any other questions? | 20:32 |
| redrobot | nope, that's it for me atm | 20:32 |
| redrobot | on this topic anyway | 20:32 |
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| redrobot | if anyone has pointers for getting Keystone v3 to work with our functional tests that'd be awesome. I seem to be getting a lot of failures in my local setup. | 20:32 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic CA-features deprecation | 20:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CA-features deprecation (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:33 | |
| dave-mccowan | diazjf added some patches to document/log deprecation. | 20:34 |
| dave-mccowan | what else needs to be done in Ocata, so we're safe to turn everything off in Pike? | 20:34 |
| diazjf | dave-mccowan correct. It should be logged that its deprecated on all calls. | 20:34 |
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| diazjf | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/tags/assert_follows-standard-deprecation.html | 20:35 |
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| diazjf | dave-mccowan, redrobot, we also alerted the mailing list I believe | 20:37 |
| dave-mccowan | thanks diazjf. my reading says that we've met the minimum requirements. | 20:38 |
| dave-mccowan | we're done #1 and #2. #3 doesn't apply to us. #4 allows us to set the obsolescence date based on data. | 20:38 |
| dave-mccowan | do we need to do anything else? or can we just take a vote to make the obsolescence date in line with the Pike release? | 20:40 |
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| diazjf | dave-mccowan not sure, we should maybe ask someone who has done it before. | 20:41 |
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| dave-mccowan | diazjf sounds good. i'll find someone to check with, on both this question and the one on API extensions. | 20:42 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic PTG | 20:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:43 | |
| dave-mccowan | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-barbican-pike | 20:43 |
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| dave-mccowan | The the PTG is coming up, starting on Feb 20 in Atlanta. I reserved a room, all day, Wednesday through Friday. | 20:44 |
| redrobot | oh snap! that's coming up quick | 20:44 |
| * redrobot crosses fingers to get an approval soon | 20:44 | |
| dave-mccowan | On Monday and Tuesday, the security team and other cross-project teams have rooms reserved. | 20:44 |
| diazjf | hopefully we can have some meetings via the internet(hangouts). | 20:44 |
| alee | do we know who will be there? | 20:45 |
| alee | dave-mccowan, I'm assuming you will :) | 20:45 |
| dave-mccowan | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-barbican-pike | 20:45 |
| dave-mccowan | according to etherpad, it's kfarr and me so far. | 20:45 |
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| dave-mccowan | yep, i'll be there Tuesday (for Security Project), then Wednesday and Thursday for Barbican. | 20:46 |
| alee | I ca bring the salmiaki | 20:46 |
| dave-mccowan | Do folks want something Friday morning? | 20:47 |
| dave-mccowan | I was planning on flying late Thursday night. I figure we can cover everything in two days. | 20:47 |
| alee | dave-mccowan, see - we're already promoting so much efficiency by selecting Atlanta as the venue :) | 20:49 |
| alee | dave-mccowan, that sounds reasonable to me . Lets see if more stuff shapes up over the next week or two. | 20:50 |
| dave-mccowan | I was talking with the Security guys last week. they only have 2 or 3 people committed so far. much less than the 12 or more that they've had for midcycles . | 20:50 |
| kfarr | I'll be there Fri morning, but was planning on finding some other project's meetings if there wasn't anything for Barbican | 20:50 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic any other business | 20:51 |
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| alee | dave-mccowan, yeah - I think the plan to kill midcyles is working. | 20:51 |
| diazjf | dave-mccowan, redrobot, talks for Boston due the 20th | 20:51 |
| alee | dave-mccowan, did we decide on another meeting time for the weekly meet? | 20:51 |
| diazjf | dave-mccowan, redrobot, was wondering if you guys still wanna be added to "Managing Contributions and Proprietary work" which I submitted for Barcelona. Still think its an interesting talk. | 20:52 |
| dave-mccowan | alee the meeting rooms are pretty much all booked. i couldn't find a slot that worked much better than this one. | 20:52 |
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| alee | dave-mccowan, ok | 20:53 |
| dave-mccowan | diazjf sure, sounds good. | 20:53 |
| diazjf | awesome, will let you know when I submit :) | 20:53 |
| dave-mccowan | any Barbican ideas? a repeat for the hands-on lab? | 20:53 |
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| redrobot | dave-mccowan +1 repeat hands-on lab. also mention we were the most attended lab in barcelona | 20:54 |
| diazjf | dave-mccowan, fernet keys in Barbican talk?????? | 20:54 |
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| redrobot | oh, i have an idea that I just thought about: | 20:54 |
| redrobot | "In depth comparison of Vault and Barbican security models" | 20:55 |
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| diazjf | redrobot, I'd be down | 20:55 |
| diazjf | even if its a brown-bag | 20:55 |
| dave-mccowan | redrobot i like that idea a lot. | 20:56 |
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| redrobot | #action redrobot to flesh out Vault and Barican comparison abstract | 20:56 |
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| mathiasb | diazjf: did you have any more interactions with the Vault folks after this? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/vault-tool/BfSq4dP081s | 20:57 |
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| diazjf | mathiasb, I spoke briefly to them, but we need to come up with a plan on how we will integrate vault with barbican. So far I haven't had time to workout that plan. | 20:58 |
| redrobot | I do like their concept of sealed/unsealed vaults, and I think we should totally steal it ;) | 20:58 |
| dave-mccowan | does someone want to take an action to submit the lab again? | 20:58 |
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| redrobot | maybe alee wants to hook up an hsm again? | 20:58 |
| diazjf | dave-mccowan, I can already have all the docs, alee did an awesome job with getting that together. | 20:59 |
| alee | redrobot, maybe -- I'll suggest it | 20:59 |
| dave-mccowan | one minute left in the room. | 20:59 |
| dave-mccowan | #action dave-mccowan get info on api extensions and clarification on deprecation rules | 21:00 |
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| alee | does it make sense to have lab in back to back summits? | 21:00 |
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| dave-mccowan | alee they usually don't like repeats, but maybe in this case. | 21:00 |
| alee | then again -- I guess Sydney is pretty unlikely for most .. | 21:00 |
| alee | dave-mccowan, we can always propose .. | 21:01 |
| dave-mccowan | we can continue in the Barbican channel. thanks everyone. | 21:01 |
| dave-mccowan | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 9 21:01:15 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-01-09-20.00.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-01-09-20.00.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-01-09-20.00.log.html | 21:01 |
| CarolBarrett | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 9 21:01:40 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is CarolBarrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:01 |
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| shamail | hi everyone | 21:02 |
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| leong | o/ | 21:02 |
| MeganR | Hi Shamail, Hi Carol - Happy 2017 | 21:02 |
| pchadwick | o/ | 21:02 |
| pchadwick | Happy | 21:03 |
| pchadwick | New Year all! | 21:03 |
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| shamail | Happy New Year! | 21:03 |
| kencjohnston | o/ HNY Everyone! | 21:03 |
| leong | happy new year everyone! | 21:03 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | Had a problem with my IRC client crashing.... | 21:04 |
| shamail | wb CarolBarrett | 21:04 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Who is here for the Product WG team meeting? | 21:04 |
| shamail | o/ | 21:04 |
| leong | o/ | 21:04 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Thanks Shamail :) | 21:04 |
| MeganR | o/ | 21:04 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Happy New Year! | 21:04 |
| CarolBarrett_ | You can find the agenda for today here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team#January_9.2C_2017_Product_Team_Meeting_Agenda | 21:04 |
| CarolBarrett_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team#January_9.2C_2017_Product_Team_Meeting_Agenda | 21:04 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Pretty light attendance today.... :( | 21:05 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Let's get started | 21:05 |
| CarolBarrett_ | #topic User Story Feature Tracking | 21:05 |
| leong | looks like a busy agenda today... | 21:06 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Shamail - Can you take this? | 21:06 |
| shamail | Sure CarolBarrett_ | 21:06 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Hi Carol | 21:06 |
| shamail | A team (primarily from Intel and OSF) has been working on creating the Feature Tracker to help us visualize the status of user stories to identify when they need additional resources | 21:07 |
| shamail | #link http://featuretracker.openstack.org/projectList | 21:07 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Hi Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:07 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Hi team | 21:07 |
| shamail | The portal is coming along very nicely (we are working on minor tweaks such as auto-incrementing unique IDs, etc) | 21:07 |
| shamail | but,as you can see, the data being shown currently does not actually reflect the status of any particular user story (the sample tracker was created using non-related links) | 21:08 |
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| shamail | We would like to annouce the availability of this tracker in the community (via a message on the dev ML) but want to ensure we have real user stories with actual status/tracking data before we do so…. This will hopefully prevent people from discussing the stories to focusing on the tool. | 21:09 |
| leong | is there a document to help to understand/read how to populate the tracker? | 21:09 |
| shamail | #link https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories/blob/master/doc/source/tracker_overview.rst | 21:09 |
| leong | Kei and I can work on the bare-metal tracker | 21:09 |
| shamail | This document should help with the various fields in the tracker | 21:09 |
| kencjohnston | I'll lead the work on the ugprades tracker, but I'd appreciate some help | 21:10 |
| shamail | please feel free to contact me if you need any help with the tracker | 21:10 |
| shamail | thanks leong and kencjohnston (happy to help as needed) | 21:10 |
| shamail | pchadwick: Is HA VM ready for a tracker? | 21:10 |
| pchadwick | Just looking at what needs to be added. | 21:10 |
| shamail | Cool, I think 2-3 actual user story trackers should be sufficient. | 21:11 |
| pchadwick | Dumb question, but where does the tracker get placed. | 21:11 |
| shamail | #lihnk https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories/tree/master/tracker | 21:11 |
| shamail | #link https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories/tree/master/tracker | 21:11 |
| leong | quick questions on the "hierachy of tracker data"... a task can go direct to project (skipping cross-project spec), isnt' it? | 21:11 |
| shamail | ^ this folder | 21:11 |
| pchadwick | got it - I'll take a look. | 21:11 |
| shamail | Yes, it can. In that situation the cross project spec would be “NA" | 21:12 |
| leong | got it shamail | 21:12 |
| shamail | That is a good catch though leong, maybe we should phrase it differently since whatever is put there will be visible in the tool | 21:12 |
| leong | yup.. | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | but update of % of completion is manual? | 21:13 |
| shamail | How soon do you all think you can review the state of the user stories and build a tracker? This will help us plan when we need to announce. | 21:13 |
| leong | maybe the hierachy can have a direct link from "task" to "project" | 21:13 |
| kencjohnston | I can get a review up this week. | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | which stories need to go into tracker? | 21:13 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: No, % of completion is calculated using the number of artifacts marked as completed divided by total artifacts | 21:13 |
| shamail | Thanks kencjohnston! | 21:14 |
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| kencjohnston | can someone record that action for me? | 21:14 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: For now, I think Upgrades, Bare Metal Enhancements, and HA VM are probably the only ones close enough | 21:14 |
| kencjohnston | or can I record actions? | 21:14 |
| shamail | The tracker can’t really be created until we have an implementation plan | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | looking at json for rolling-upgrade I do not see how it can be used for % calculation. | 21:14 |
| shamail | CarolBarrett_ can you log the action for the user story owners? | 21:14 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Shamail: I will try, but not clear logging is working right now.. | 21:15 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: That is fake data currently, we are trying to update with actual artifacts | 21:15 |
| shamail | oh. | 21:15 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Shamail: What is the due date? | 21:15 |
| kencjohnston | I can add a stretch goal to do a tracker for Centralized Config Options | 21:15 |
| shamail | By next meeting | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | are making assumptions that each spec and blueprinbt have equial weight? | 21:15 |
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| shamail | Yes Arkady_Kanevsky, for now, since we can’t get more complex yet | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | understand. | 21:16 |
| CarolBarrett_ | #action User Story Owners Update User Stories with Tracker info by 1/16/17 Team meeting | 21:16 |
| shamail | CarolBarrett_: Asking infra on how to take over | 21:16 |
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| shamail | since you’re initial user got disconnected | 21:16 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Shamail: Thanks | 21:16 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Anything else on this one? | 21:16 |
| CarolBarrett_ | OK - let's move on... | 21:17 |
| shamail | No, thanks kencjohnston, leong, & pchadwick | 21:17 |
| CarolBarrett_ | #topic Review Paragraph for Annual Report | 21:17 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Shamail - Do you have something for folks to look at? | 21:17 |
| shamail | CarolBarrett_ not yet (drafting it right now) | 21:18 |
| shamail | I can give a summary of what I was planning on mentioning | 21:18 |
| shamail | he Product Working Group worked on documenting 13 user stories and moving three towards implementation planning (Rolling Upgrades, Bare Metal Enhancements and High Availability VMs) in 2016. The working group has also started working on simplifying our user story submission workflow | 21:18 |
| shamail | The* | 21:18 |
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| shamail | I looked at our repo and accounted for all stories that had commits against them in 2016 | 21:18 |
| shamail | that is where 13 comes from | 21:18 |
| shamail | I plan to highlight that the three mentioned user stories are moving to implementation | 21:19 |
| leong | sound like a good summary for 2016 | 21:19 |
| shamail | I also plan to highlight: our desire to simplify workflow to hopefully get more user stories from the community, our collaboration work with OPNFV this past year, and that we succesfully delivered the roadmap with XX projects | 21:19 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I would mentioned that 3 chosen were done by group vote | 21:19 |
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| shamail | Good point Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:20 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: Should we highlight our role at Ops summits? | 21:20 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | I think adding the couple of points about 2017 focus is good - also might think about including a link to our wiki for folks who want to get involved | 21:20 |
| shamail | CarolBarrett_: Can you please try to change your nick back to CarolBarrett? That should be enough for meetbot to listen to you again. :) | 21:20 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: +1 | 21:20 |
| shamail | CarolBarrett_: +1 | 21:20 |
| shamail | For 2017, I could mention our involvement with The Forum and Funnel for UC working groups | 21:21 |
| leong | maybe also highlight the tracker is comleted and few user story will start using the tracker in 2017 | 21:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do we mentoin roadmaps and keeping them to date. | 21:21 |
| shamail | leong: I was debating that one since we didn’t “announce” it yet. What does everyone else think? Okay to mention tracker here before ML? | 21:21 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: +1 | 21:22 |
| pchadwick | arkady_kanevsky: +1 | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 to mention tgracker | 21:22 |
| MeganR | +1 | 21:22 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: I'd defer to you on timing of the tracker announce, if it hasn't been annoiunced we shouldn't mention it | 21:22 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: Can add that we are also looking to continue roadmap in 2017 and streamline process | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 shamail | 21:22 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: that’s my thought as well… feels like the right approach | 21:22 |
| shamail | plus gives us a good start in the next annual report :D | 21:22 |
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| CarolBarrett | Sorry, dropped again... | 21:23 |
| shamail | welcome back CarolBarrett | 21:23 |
| shamail | Commands should work now | 21:23 |
| CarolBarrett | Maybe this will fix the logging issue | 21:23 |
| CarolBarrett | Shamail: Do you have the input you need to complete the write-up? | 21:23 |
| shamail | Thanks everyone, I will add the suggestions: Some of the things we plan in 2017, our involvement with ops meetup, continued work on roadmap, etc. | 21:24 |
| shamail | Yes CarolBarrett. Thanks all! | 21:24 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: Is there a working doc/etherpad for this? | 21:24 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: No, there is a google doc owned by the Foundation | 21:24 |
| kencjohnston | ah I see. Heidi joy can get me access? | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | suggest also me ntioning themes | 21:24 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: Please drop her a note, she shoud be able to. | 21:25 |
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| CarolBarrett | shamail: Can you send out your complete draft on the ML when it's ready? | 21:25 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: +1 | 21:25 |
| shamail | CarolBarrett: +1 | 21:25 |
| shamail | Expect that later this evening | 21:25 |
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| shamail | Can you please log the action? | 21:25 |
| CarolBarrett | #action User Story Owners - Update user story tracker info by 1/16/17 team meeting | 21:25 |
| CarolBarrett | #action Shamail Send out draft of Annual Report paragraph on ML ahead of Wednesday due date. | 21:26 |
| CarolBarrett | I don't think logging is working.... | 21:26 |
| CarolBarrett | Let's move along.... | 21:26 |
| CarolBarrett | #topic User Survey Participation | 21:26 |
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| CarolBarrett | well maybe logging is working.... | 21:27 |
| shamail | Yep, it is based on the nick | 21:27 |
| CarolBarrett | Heidi Joy send an email last week about Product WG participation in the upcoming User Survey | 21:27 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I commented on goolde doc. | 21:28 |
| CarolBarrett | Has anyone responded to the request? | 21:28 |
| pchadwick | No. | 21:28 |
| CarolBarrett | Arkady_kanevsky: Great | 21:28 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | each technical WG group are also working on responses. So I participated in a couple of thesm\ | 21:28 |
| CarolBarrett | Here's a link if you want to participate | 21:28 |
| CarolBarrett | #link https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScBAhhE-7y46zMRMBvzZZt8kACtwdxDzfHmnM4txSZ1haHIkQ/viewform?c=0&w=1 | 21:28 |
| shamail | Thanks | 21:29 |
| CarolBarrett | It would be good if a couple of people could help out and bring in questions from Project Teams or User Stories | 21:29 |
| kencjohnston | CarolBarrett: I'll take a look. | 21:30 |
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| CarolBarrett | kenjohnston: Thanks | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | PTLs do that for projects. | 21:30 |
| pchadwick | CarolBarrett - I'll look as well. | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I asked Heidi what help she needs. She pointed me to the same link that Carol did and to google doc with the actual survey questions. | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | That is the one I commented on | 21:31 |
| CarolBarrett | pchadwick: Thanks | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c8Osptcse1geEeHBHwZ-fxQA-OQ_dzwAHSnBD3CNbEQ/edit#gid=0 | 21:31 |
| CarolBarrett | Arkady_Kanevsky: Thanks for following up | 21:31 |
| CarolBarrett | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c8Osptcse1geEeHBHwZ-fxQA-OQ_dzwAHSnBD3CNbEQ/edit#gid=0 | 21:32 |
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| CarolBarrett | Ok - any questions on this? | 21:32 |
| CarolBarrett | Let's move on... | 21:33 |
| CarolBarrett | #topic Community Goals Discussion & Feedback | 21:33 |
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| CarolBarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/community-goals | 21:33 |
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| CarolBarrett | As most you probably know there is an effort underway, led by Doug Hellman, to establish release cycle goals across projects. | 21:34 |
| CarolBarrett | The desire is for them to be something that can be completed in 1 release cycle and that need coordinated execution across Projects | 21:34 |
| pchadwick | How is that different from the cross project coordination that has been going on? | 21:35 |
| CarolBarrett | If you look in the etherpad, you'll see some proposals - if we can help to improve/target tthem we should | 21:35 |
| CarolBarrett | On line 276 there's a section for input from this team. | 21:35 |
| shamail | I had added comments to this etherpad on behalf of our team (based on previous conversations we have had) to support “Add Microversions to REST APIs”, “Enable Mutable Configuration”, “Common Quota/Policy patterns”, and “Rolling Upgrades”… along with adding a section on line 276 | 21:35 |
| kencjohnston | CarolBarrett: shamail I was confused by shamail's email about the timing of the TC conversation. | 21:36 |
| shamail | The microversions one was really about backwards compatability and Doug said that might need to be a seperate goal | 21:36 |
| kencjohnston | Is there still a window to provide input? | 21:36 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: No, they are done with Pike goals planning | 21:36 |
| shamail | (Ocata was already done) | 21:36 |
| shamail | They decided to add Python 3.5 as a Pike Goal | 21:36 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: OK, and that was it? | 21:36 |
| shamail | they will continue to work down this list though so adding feedback is useful | 21:36 |
| CarolBarrett | pchadwick: I believe the cross project coordination has gotten a bit shakey. I think this is intended to create common, specific feature or capability goals for all. | 21:37 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: got it, thanks. | 21:37 |
| pchadwick | CarolBarrett: makes sense. | 21:37 |
| shamail | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/index.html | 21:37 |
| shamail | Not sure if that was the only one kencjohnston, formalized goals will be posted at the given link | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Is there a place we can start proving input for Q? | 21:37 |
| CarolBarrett | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/community-goals | 21:37 |
| CarolBarrett | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/index.html | 21:37 |
| pchadwick | So what is the request here - provide input for Q and beyond? | 21:37 |
| CarolBarrett | pchadwick: Yes...and to talk with your development teams about aligning with the Pike goals | 21:38 |
| shamail | CarolBarrett: I think we should clarify with Doug if they want us to continue adding to the backlog in this etherpad or whether their will be release specific etherpads… It seems like they moved from release specific to this general etherpad but I am not certain. | 21:38 |
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| shamail | I think we should pick 1-2 goals at our midcycle that we can all rally behind as well. | 21:39 |
| CarolBarrett | Shamail: Good point. Do you want to reach out to Doug? | 21:39 |
| shamail | Sure, I can do that. | 21:39 |
| CarolBarrett | shamail - Good idea....can you add that to the midcycle planning etherpad? | 21:39 |
| shamail | CarolBarrett: +1 | 21:39 |
| CarolBarrett | #action Shamail Check with Doug Hellman on the location for putting proposals for future release goals. | 21:40 |
| CarolBarrett | Any other questions/comments? | 21:40 |
| CarolBarrett | #topic Roadmap Development Plan | 21:41 |
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| CarolBarrett | Shamail - Your role in the WG is showing this meeting agenda! Can you take this one? | 21:41 |
| shamail | lol | 21:41 |
| shamail | Sure CarolBarrett | 21:41 |
| shamail | #link https://goo.gl/forms/3cTvtbc8cMloRoq02 | 21:41 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: for the newbies to the process, can you provide the context here. Or a link to it? | 21:42 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/MultiRelease_Roadmap | 21:42 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: thanks | 21:42 |
| shamail | good suggestion | 21:42 |
| shamail | We currently have an established process for creating a roadmap every release (which highlights the current + next two releases) | 21:43 |
| CarolBarrett | #link https://goo.gl/forms/3cTvtbc8cMloRoq02 | 21:43 |
| CarolBarrett | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/MultiRelease_Roadmap | 21:43 |
| shamail | The team has decided to try and streamline this process so that we can accomplish this task with less effort | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | tracker still points to Mitaka. ANd Newton is already done. | 21:43 |
| shamail | heidijoy and I brainstormed a bit during the holidays to come up with a few options | 21:44 |
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| shamail | I suggested that I would like to see the roadmap become a JSON-based questionnaire that could be submitted to our repo and we could ask the release team to help raise awareness | 21:44 |
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| shamail | this would require creating a JSON template and, more importantly, a tool to parse it and render the roadmap. | 21:45 |
| shamail | This might be feasible but won’t help us in Ocata | 21:45 |
| heidijoy | Endgame: More time spent actually looking at the reported features/enhancements, less time harassing PTLs to actually collect their input. | 21:45 |
| shamail | heidijoy suggested using a survey instead of email to help us collect answers which would also accomplish the same objective of simplying the roadmap creation process | 21:45 |
| shamail | hi heidijoy and +ONE | 21:46 |
| heidijoy | It would also produce a single streamlined spreadsheet instead of a mess of emails. | 21:46 |
| shamail | So for Ocata, we were thinking we could move forward with the survey and wanted feedback from the team on the current contents in the draft survey | 21:46 |
| CarolBarrett | heaidjoy: +1 | 21:46 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I found out that creating a draft of answers for PTL really helps. | 21:46 |
| shamail | Do we think the questions/survey do a good job of getting us the data we would need to create the roadmap? | 21:46 |
| CarolBarrett | heidijoy: +1 | 21:46 |
| pchadwick | How is the survey different from sending an email with the questions? | 21:46 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | It is easier for them to chnage answers then to create full answer set | 21:46 |
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| shamail | As heidijoy mentioned, this would mean that our team would focus on clarifying questions rather than hunting for the initial answers | 21:47 |
| shamail | Has anyone had a chance to review the survey yet? | 21:47 |
| heidijoy | @arkdy_kanevsky the survey is intended to do that - make it as easy as possible to report. Less typing for the PTL. | 21:47 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | are we talking about auto population of roadmap from parsed answers? | 21:47 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: heidijoy How do we provide feedback on the Google form? | 21:47 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: Reviewing it now :) | 21:47 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: long-term, yes…. in Ocata most likley not | 21:47 |
| shamail | thanks kencjohnston and good question | 21:48 |
| shamail | heidijoy: do you have a preference on where the team should post feedback? | 21:48 |
| kencjohnston | Just respond to the email? Can you turn on comments only in GoogleForms? | 21:48 |
| heidijoy | Hmm - @kencjohnston I prefer an etherpad to email so everyone can see the feedback, but email is fine as we weren't expecting a lot of feedback on this round since the questions are the same as last time. | 21:48 |
| pchadwick | The survey looks fine - it is just the same info as we have in the email we have been sending out. | 21:49 |
| heidijoy | I don't think there's an option to turn on google forms comments | 21:49 |
| * shamail is creating an etherpad as fast as he can type | 21:49 | |
| heidijoy | lol | 21:49 |
| kencjohnston | :) | 21:49 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do we sort the answers into themes? | 21:49 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG-roadmap-survey-feedback | 21:49 |
| CarolBarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG-roadmap-survey-feedback | 21:50 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Do we map features into user stories? | 21:50 |
| heidijoy | The PTLs report on themes separately from specific features/enhancements | 21:50 |
| heidijoy | Not currently mapping features to user stories. | 21:51 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: I think we will have to suggest the mappings… the cool new thing about the survey is that the PTL can now also specify whether a theme was a major focus for the project | 21:51 |
| shamail | so we no longer only know whether a project worked on a theme but whether it was top of mind | 21:51 |
| shamail | This will let us build a new view that shows not which themes were worked on but actively pursued! | 21:52 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK we have a place for quistinarre feedback - good | 21:52 |
| heidijoy | Yes - the major/minor focus gives us a sharper view of themes. | 21:52 |
| CarolBarrett | I really like asking for the Gerrit link for a feature! | 21:52 |
| heidijoy | Gives us an easy way to dig into learning more about key features | 21:52 |
| shamail | CarolBarrett: That will help us see the actual status, comments/discussions around the feature, and also be able to decipher details if needed | 21:53 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I like the old data - # of pull request. # of blueprints/spec per cycle | 21:53 |
| heidijoy | From the Foundation's POV, the roadmap team collects a ton of data but it can be overwhelming to decide which features are most important for a given release. I hope that we can help guide that in Ocata and beyond. | 21:53 |
| shamail | That will still be there, we can find that info on our own | 21:53 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | It gives you idea of vibrancy of the team | 21:53 |
| CarolBarrett | It seems like limiting projects to 3 feature might leave some important things off the table...what's the thinking behind that? | 21:54 |
| kencjohnston | heidijoy: +1, and moving from Google Docs to code submissions will help us have debates about what are the top three features in the open. | 21:54 |
| kencjohnston | CarolBarrett: Gotta limit somewhere... ? | 21:54 |
| shamail | CarolBarrett: It is our standard practice currently to ask for top 3-4 as well.. the idea is not to get all items but the ones considered most noteworthy for the users by the project team | 21:54 |
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| shamail | CarolBarrett: remember the glance etherpad from the very first roadmap? :) | 21:54 |
| pchadwick | heidijoy: +1, the challenge is getting customer value statements as part of the features. | 21:54 |
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| kencjohnston | pchadwick: +1 | 21:55 |
| pchadwick | I propose that we start the survey with the themes question. | 21:55 |
| CarolBarrett | shamail: I wonder if we want to have some ability for the PTLs to provide an additional item? I understand that limiting it to 3 will cause the most important things to emerge.... | 21:55 |
| kencjohnston | pchadwick: You can usually get more details as long as the link they provide has an associated blueprint/spec | 21:55 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | but ocata is mostly short cycle with primary bug fixes... | 21:55 |
| shamail | pchadwick: +1 | 21:55 |
| shamail | CarolBarrett: I’m fine with that but we do have to have an upper limit… any suggestions? | 21:56 |
| pchadwick | kencjohnston: understood. I also looked at the release notes. | 21:56 |
| CarolBarrett | pchadwick +1 | 21:56 |
| heidijoy | pchadwick +1 that is the BEST thing we can offer the marketing launch process. | 21:56 |
| shamail | Essentially we might get 3-4 items per project (78 to 104 overall items for the roadmap) and the Foundation picks 4-5 out of this list | 21:56 |
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| CarolBarrett | Shamail: agree an upper bounds is needed. Maybe start with 3 and see how it goes...? | 21:57 |
| shamail | CarolBarrett: +1 | 21:57 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:57 |
| pchadwick | In my experience, the customer value seems to tail off pretty dramatically after 3 features. | 21:57 |
| heidijoy | Agreed | 21:57 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes | 21:57 |
| pchadwick | Remember how we struggled in the last roadmap to come with what the point was behind some of the items. | 21:58 |
| CarolBarrett | time check: 3 mins left! | 21:58 |
| shamail | +1 to starting with 3 for now | 21:58 |
| pchadwick | shamail: +1 to your +1 | 21:58 |
| heidijoy | So we'll revise the survey per your etherpad feedback and plan to distribute it after the feature freeze. | 21:58 |
| shamail | Ask: Can the team please review the survey this week and populate the etherpad with feedback by next Monday? | 21:58 |
| shamail | heidijoy: +1 | 21:59 |
| CarolBarrett | #action All Review the Roadmap survey and add comments to the etherpad (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG-roadmap-survey-feedback) | 21:59 |
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| CarolBarrett | We're out of time - If you're a User Story owner, pls make sure you update your User Story with Personas and Model Company. We will review next week. | 22:00 |
| CarolBarrett | Thanks all | 22:00 |
| shamail | Thanks | 22:00 |
| CarolBarrett | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 9 22:00:46 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-01-09-21.01.html | 22:00 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | ythanks all! | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-01-09-21.01.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-01-09-21.01.log.html | 22:00 |
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| pchadwick | ciao | 22:00 |
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| jeblair | howdy zuul folks! | 22:01 |
| clarkb | hello | 22:01 |
| rattboi | o/ | 22:02 |
| jhesketh | Morning | 22:02 |
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| pabelanger | hi | 22:02 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting zuul | 22:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 9 22:03:33 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zuul' | 22:03 |
| jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zuul | 22:03 |
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| jeblair | #link previous meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2016/zuul.2016-12-19-22.02.html | 22:03 |
| jeblair | no announcements or previous action items... | 22:04 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Nodepool Zookeeper work | 22:04 |
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| jeblair | Shrews: you've started on the next phase in nodepool! | 22:05 |
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| Shrews | i have? i mean... yeah! i have | 22:05 |
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| Shrews | i expect i'll be finished tomorrow | 22:06 |
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| Shrews | tomorrow is April, right? | 22:06 |
| adam_g | o/ | 22:06 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 22:06 |
| jeblair | :) fortunately, we worked out most of the zookeeper stuff already | 22:06 |
| rattboi | o/ | 22:06 |
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| jeblair | so we can jump right into the fun bits | 22:06 |
| pabelanger | nice | 22:07 |
| jamielennox | o/ | 22:07 |
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| jeblair | related: i have a 17-patch series to zuul to implement the zuul side of this | 22:07 |
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| * SpamapS isn't sure why but he imagined jeblair saying that as Gilderoy Lockhart | 22:08 | |
| SpamapS | ;) | 22:08 |
| jeblair | the zuul side of course, is the easy bit. it just asks for things and gets upset if it doesn't get them. | 22:08 |
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| Shrews | next time i get the easy part | 22:09 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: 2 points from gryffindor | 22:09 |
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| jeblair | anyway, those patches are ready for review; the series is long enough that if folks do request changes, i might ask to implement them as follow-ups. :) | 22:10 |
| jeblair | starts at 413241 | 22:10 |
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| jeblair | i'm also thinking of adding a zuul/nodepool integration job | 22:11 |
| Shrews | that should totally be a thing | 22:11 |
| jeblair | i figure we can run nodepool with its "fakes" configuration so we don't have to wait on devstack+image builds, and use the fake gerrit, etc, on the zuul side, but then have zuul and nodepool talk for real over zk | 22:12 |
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| jeblair | we can add it to 'check experimental' since it'll be a while until we're ready for it, but it'll take a while to set up, so i think it's good to go ahead and get the infrastructure in place | 22:12 |
| pabelanger | I actually have that working today with some ansible things I have been working on. Atleast the nodepool / zookeeper parts (with image builds too) | 22:13 |
| clarkb | jeblair: compartmentalizing the integration testing makes sense to me | 22:13 |
| clarkb | should make it easier to debug specific failures too | 22:13 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: cool, maybe we can implement the job as an ansible playbook then... that may be forward thinking for zuulv3 :) | 22:14 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: ++ | 22:14 |
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| pabelanger | jeblair: sure | 22:15 |
| jeblair | last thing i have on this topic, is we said we would release nodepool master in early january | 22:15 |
| jeblair | it's early january | 22:15 |
| jeblair | are we ready? do we want to land the '--no-builder' change we were discussing this morning, or push that into the next release? | 22:15 |
| Shrews | land it. earlier the better | 22:16 |
| Shrews | though it needs to be changed to the master branch first | 22:16 |
| pabelanger | ya, working on that now | 22:16 |
| jeblair | yeah, considering this is the release where we're saying "change your nodepool builder configuration" it's probably good to get it into this one | 22:17 |
| jeblair | so maybe we can make the release tomorrow | 22:18 |
| jeblair | anything else nodepool/zookeeper related? | 22:18 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Devstack-gate roles refactoring | 22:18 |
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| clarkb | yes I think earlier is better for that too | 22:18 |
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| jeblair | rcarillocruz isn't here | 22:19 |
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| jeblair | but it looks like there are 2 devstack-gate changes that could use reviews | 22:20 |
| jeblair | 403732 404243 | 22:20 |
| clarkb | looks like my last comment was addressed so I need to rereview will put that on the list | 22:20 |
| jeblair | clarkb: thanks | 22:20 |
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| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Zuul test enablement | 22:21 |
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| jeblair | there are some changes from SpamapS and adam_g from before the holidays that need dusting off, i think | 22:22 |
| adam_g | ive got a few test enablement patches up collecting dust from before the holiday that i hope to get moving again now that im back from holiday | 22:23 |
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| jeblair | cool, anything else? | 22:24 |
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| jeblair | #topic Progress summary | 22:25 |
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| jeblair | SpamapS: how's it going? | 22:25 |
| jhesketh | I've been snowed under with linux.conf.au and other responsibilities... after next week though I hope to have more time to return to actually writing code. In the mean time I'll try and catch up on reviews :-) | 22:26 |
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| jeblair | jhesketh: ++ | 22:27 |
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| jhesketh | (also ya'll should come to https://linux.conf.au) | 22:29 |
| pabelanger | :) | 22:29 |
| jeblair | i wish i could, hopefully next year | 22:29 |
| jeblair | looking at the board: | 22:30 |
| fungi | does sound lovely | 22:30 |
| jeblair | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/41 | 22:30 |
| jeblair | i'll move the zk nodepool stuff Shrews and i are working on to in-progress | 22:30 |
| jeblair | anyone else see anything on there that should be changed? | 22:31 |
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| jeblair | #topic Open Discussion | 22:32 |
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| jeblair | mordred: any chance you're around? | 22:32 |
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| jeblair | was hoping we could discuss the plan for the zuulv2->nodepoolv3 shim... maybe a mailing list post | 22:34 |
| jeblair | #action mordred describe plan for zuulv2->nodepoolv3 shim in mailing list post | 22:35 |
| jeblair | speaking of mailing list posts, i followed up on the nodepool config file format discussion we were having from before the holidays | 22:35 |
| pabelanger | I wouldn't mind some thoughts on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/412160/. Basically allowing nodepool-builder to just frontend to diskimage-builder (diskimage builds only). Biggest reason, is the yaml support we have in nodepool-builder | 22:36 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: I haven't had a chance to resposne to that but I read it really quickly before the meeting and I like it | 22:36 |
| pabelanger | pretty minimal change actually, adds a new 'format' setting into diskimages | 22:36 |
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| jeblair | we should probably finalize that so we can go ahead and update the config file format soonish | 22:36 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yeah, sorry about the timing there :) no rush | 22:36 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger: that seems like a fairly minimal change to enable a new set of use cases (one that i know folks have talked about previously) | 22:38 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: that would run in foreground? | 22:39 |
| clarkb | or does it still run as a service? | 22:39 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: service | 22:39 |
| pabelanger | but, -d would forground it | 22:39 |
| clarkb | I guess by foreground I mean `build-me-one-image` sort of command | 22:39 |
| pabelanger | Ya, that doesn't work | 22:40 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: that seems like it should be the purview of dib itself | 22:40 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ya I agree | 22:40 |
| clarkb | jeblair: its also what I think would be more useful :) (at least its what I end up doing often because I don't run my image build VM all the time) | 22:40 |
| jeblair | this is more: i want to run a daemon that builds/updates an image everyday | 22:41 |
| pabelanger | or container :) | 22:41 |
| pabelanger | but yes | 22:41 |
| clarkb | without worrying about tying it to a cloud | 22:41 |
| pabelanger | exact;u | 22:41 |
| pabelanger | exactly* | 22:41 |
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| clarkb | gotcha | 22:42 |
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| jeblair | shall we wrap this up then? | 22:44 |
| Shrews | jeblair: that "Use Zookeeper for Workers" task on the storyboard... duplicate? either way, it's done | 22:45 |
| Shrews | under New | 22:45 |
| jeblair | Shrews: yeah, i think it's the one attached to the spec | 22:45 |
| jeblair | i think i'll just mark it in progress until the spec is marked completed | 22:46 |
| jeblair | thanks everyone! | 22:47 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 22:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 9 22:47:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-01-09-22.03.html | 22:47 |
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