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| kei | #startmeeting product_working_group | 06:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 13 06:00:39 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 06:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 06:00 |
| leong | o/ | 06:00 |
| kei | Hi! | 06:00 |
| kei | This is a PWG regional meeting. | 06:01 |
| leong | konijiwa kei :-) | 06:01 |
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| kei | konnichiwa, leong | 06:01 |
| kei | You can find the agenda for today here: | 06:01 |
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| kei | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 06:02 |
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| leong | who else is here for product wg regional meeting? | 06:02 |
| kei | here is the agenda. | 06:03 |
| leong | apart from kei and I, who else is here for product wg regional meeting? | 06:03 |
| -kei- - Midcycle Planning | 06:03 | |
| -kei- - User Story | 06:03 | |
| -kei- - Alignment with UX Persona | 06:03 | |
| -kei- - Baremetal | 06:03 | |
| -kei- - Logging | 06:03 | |
| -kei- - Opens | 06:03 | |
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| leong | looks like we have low attendance today ? | 06:04 |
| leong | we probably want to do more promotion/marketing to this meeting... | 06:04 |
| kei | looks to me hieulq, who just joined to this channel, is a person I know... | 06:05 |
| kei | and maybe tovin07 and tuanluong too?... | 06:05 |
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| leong | let's just kick start the meeting agenda discussion... | 06:06 |
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| leong | hoping that more will join later.. | 06:07 |
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| leong | kei.. u want to set the agenda topic? | 06:09 |
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| tuanluong | Morning | 06:09 |
| leong | hi tuanluong! | 06:09 |
| kei | Sorry I was just talking with them out side of this channel. | 06:09 |
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| kei | i think we should involve them as some of them are working on logging. | 06:10 |
| kei | > leong | 06:10 |
| leong | +1 kei | 06:10 |
| leong | let's begin the first agenda item | 06:11 |
| kei | ok. let's begin. | 06:11 |
| kei | the first one is Midcycle Planning. | 06:11 |
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| leong | do you want to set the irc topic by typing #topic Midcycle Planning | 06:11 |
| leong | :) | 06:12 |
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| kei | leong: of course :) i somehow forgot to do so... | 06:12 |
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| kei | #topic Midcycle Planning | 06:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Midcycle Planning (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 06:12 | |
| leong | np :) | 06:12 |
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| leong | the ops midcycle will be Mar 15th and 16th | 06:13 |
| leong | at Milan Italy | 06:13 |
| leong | so the Product WG is looking to have a meetup as well at Milan | 06:14 |
| leong | it will more likely be at Mar 13 and 14. | 06:14 |
| leong | the team is still looking for a location | 06:14 |
| leong | if anyone from members company has a local office who can host us, please us me know :) | 06:14 |
| leong | here's the info for Ops Midcycle in case u need it. | 06:15 |
| kei | leong: thanks. is there any pages of proposals for agenda at the midcycle yet? | 06:15 |
| leong | #link Ops Midcycle: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-meetup | 06:15 |
| kei | thanks | 06:15 |
| tuanluong | thanks leong | 06:15 |
| leong | that is the link for the Ops meetup | 06:15 |
| leong | i haven't got the link for PWG agenda yet. | 06:16 |
| kei | leong: ah, ok. | 06:16 |
| leong | i will ask Carol for the PWG meetup agenda | 06:17 |
| kei | leong: that'd be great. | 06:17 |
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| leong | #action leong to check with carol for the PWG midcycle meetup agenda | 06:17 |
| kei | leong: thanks! | 06:17 |
| leong | anyone else has question regarding the ops midcycle? | 06:18 |
| kei | none from me for now. | 06:18 |
| kei | ok. shall we move on to the next agenda? | 06:20 |
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| leong | then let's move to next topic.. | 06:20 |
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| kei | #topic User Story - Alignment with UX Persona | 06:20 |
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| leong | the team decided to follow the UX Persona guidelines when writing the user story... | 06:21 |
| leong | #link UX Persona: http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/ux-ui-guidelines/ux-personas.html | 06:22 |
| leong | so we need to update all the user story to use the "persona" as mentioned in the above guideline | 06:22 |
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| leong | for example, in the user story, we should write: "as Rey - cloud operator, i will do this and that" | 06:23 |
| leong | if there is any role/persona not covered by existing persona, we shall submit/request to add new persona to the guidelines | 06:24 |
| kei | interesting. | 06:24 |
| leong | so we need to update the "baremetal user story" to reflex the persona. | 06:24 |
| leong | instead of just saying "as an enterprise user", we need to define explicitly what an enterprise user is.. | 06:25 |
| kei | leong: sure. i'll work on that. | 06:25 |
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| leong | that will be great kei.. if you can submit the patch, i will review it | 06:26 |
| kei | leong: thanks! btw, i saw your posting about adding unique ID. thanks for that too. | 06:26 |
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| leong | no problem :) | 06:27 |
| kei | leong: is there any deadlines for the persona thing? | 06:27 |
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| leong | kei, do you want to put an AR to yourself on that (submit a patch to reflex person for baremetal user story) .... :) | 06:27 |
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| leong | by end of the week.. haha :) | 06:27 |
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| leong | should be a quick change.. i think we can just replace "enterprise user" with "rey - cloud operator" | 06:28 |
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| kei | #action kei to update bare metal user story to reflex the persona | 06:28 |
| leong | unless the "enterprise user" can refer to some other persona/role | 06:28 |
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| leong | kei, let me know once u submit the patch, i can help you with that. | 06:28 |
| kei | leong: yes, that could be just it. | 06:29 |
| kei | leong: yes, i'll let you know once i've done it. | 06:29 |
| leong | any other questions to the UX persona? | 06:29 |
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| kei | leong: oh, i missed "by the end of the week" comment. i'll try that. | 06:30 |
| leong | we are hoping make all the ux persona changes as soon.. cuz many people will be on vacation after this week... | 06:31 |
| kei | leong: true. | 06:31 |
| leong | next topic? | 06:31 |
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| kei | #topic User Story - Bare metal | 06:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "User Story - Bare metal (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 06:32 | |
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| kei | i've already talked about bare metal user story a bit though... | 06:32 |
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| leong | kei: anything else that we need to do to push forward the bare metal user story? | 06:33 |
| kei | i think i'll update the user story to reflex the persona and them put a priority to each feature. | 06:33 |
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| leong | yup.. we need the "priority" of each feature | 06:33 |
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| leong | kei: please submit them as two separate patches | 06:34 |
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| kei | leong: sure thing. btw, we're finilizing the priority in fujitsu, nearing ocata. | 06:34 |
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| leong | good to hear that! | 06:35 |
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| kei | ok. next topic. | 06:36 |
| kei | #topic User Story - Logging | 06:36 |
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| kei | oh, before going any further. | 06:37 |
| leong | kei: have you start working/drafting the logging user story? or still looking for help? | 06:37 |
| kei | #action kei to put priority on each feature of bare metal user story | 06:37 |
| leong | +1 kei :) | 06:37 |
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| kei | leong: yes, i have. | 06:38 |
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| kei | hieulq should help me on this. | 06:38 |
| hieulq | kei sure :) | 06:38 |
| kei | hieulq: i'll talk to you about this later. | 06:38 |
| leong | the LCOO WG also interested in the Logging, the team briefly talked about in this morning meeting | 06:38 |
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| leong | hi hieulq :) | 06:39 |
| kei | leong: what's the LCOO WG? | 06:39 |
| hieulq | hi leong, sorry for lurking | 06:39 |
| leong | Large Contributing OpenStack Operator | 06:39 |
| kei | leong: ah, the thing you talked about on the phone before. | 06:40 |
| leong | fyi.. #link LCOO: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LCOO | 06:40 |
| kei | leong: thanks. | 06:41 |
| leong | companies such as NTT, AT&T, Walmart, Comcast, etc... | 06:41 |
| kei | hieulq: there's should be good inputs for us. please take a look at the link. | 06:41 |
| leong | Fujitsu might have interest to join :) | 06:41 |
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| * hieulq now looking at the link | 06:41 | |
| kei | leong: we could be lcoo. | 06:42 |
| kei | hieulq: nice. | 06:42 |
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| leong | maybe kei and hieulq can propose a draft for the Logging user story and share with PWG mailling first to invite more participation | 06:43 |
| kei | leong: i believe that's a good way to go. | 06:44 |
| kei | #action kei to propose the first draft for logging user story. | 06:45 |
| leong | looks like kei will be very busy..:) | 06:46 |
| leong | give me a shout whenever u need help ... | 06:46 |
| kei | of course. thanks, leong | 06:47 |
| leong | looks like LCOO has some info on Logging | 06:48 |
| leong | #link LCOO Logging: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LCOO-Working-Logging | 06:48 |
| kei | that's a nice resource. | 06:50 |
| hieulq | almost the info listed in the link are focusing on 'fixing the log for easy troubleshooting' | 06:51 |
| leong | time check: we have 9 mins | 06:51 |
| kei | hieulq: you're right. | 06:51 |
| kei | leong: ok. let's move on. | 06:51 |
| leong | let's work on the draft and collaborate with intersted parties such as LCOO | 06:52 |
| kei | the last one is Open. we can either continue the discussion or start a new topic. | 06:52 |
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| leong | start a new topic on Open :-) | 06:52 |
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| leong | that will make the irc meeting summary clean | 06:52 |
| leong | :) | 06:52 |
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| kei | leong: yes, submitting a draft as soon as possible is important to start a dicussion with interested people. | 06:53 |
| kei | #topic Open | 06:53 |
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| kei | leong: sorry... | 06:53 |
| leong | no worry kei, u are good :) | 06:53 |
| leong | i'm hoping the regional meeting can attract more folks to join from APAC | 06:54 |
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| kei | leong: i'm too. | 06:55 |
| leong | we need to keep this meeting going on a regular basis | 06:55 |
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| kei | hieulq: do you think you guys will be able to join from the next time as you're working on logging? | 06:56 |
| kei | leong: that's right. | 06:56 |
| hieulq | kei sure, we will join | 06:56 |
| hieulq | count us in from next meeting | 06:56 |
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| leong | originally this regional meeting is to meet biweekly | 06:57 |
| tovin07 | yes | 06:57 |
| kei | hieulq: great. | 06:57 |
| tuanluong | yes | 06:57 |
| tovin07 | I will join | 06:57 |
| leong | cool! | 06:57 |
| leong | do we want to continue as biweekly? or change to weekly? | 06:57 |
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| kei | leong: let's keep it biweekly for now. we can change the frequency later. | 06:58 |
| leong | ok... | 06:58 |
| leong | but two weeks later is 26th... | 06:59 |
| leong | i believe most will be a holiday? | 06:59 |
| kei | leong: oh, you talked about specifically the next time? | 06:59 |
| leong | actually both :) | 06:59 |
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| leong | i am fine to stick with biweekly | 06:59 |
| kei | leong: i thought you talked about the general thing. | 06:59 |
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| kei | leong: checking my calendar quickly. i'm afraid i won't be available on next tue. | 07:00 |
| kei | leong: it's about time to finish the meeting. | 07:01 |
| leong | so should we meet Jan 2nd the next meeting? | 07:01 |
| kei | leong: it's national holiday in japan... | 07:01 |
| leong | then the next will be Jan 9th? | 07:01 |
| kei | maybe we should change the day somewhere next week? | 07:01 |
| leong | if changing the day, we need to make sure we have a free irc slot for meeting | 07:02 |
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| leong | i think we can stick to the same day, let's just set to Jan 9th for next meeting | 07:02 |
| hieulq | leong sound good, it will be Tue Jan 10th in Vietnam | 07:02 |
| leong | sorry.. is Jan 10th :-) | 07:02 |
| kei | leong: that's right... 9th it is then. | 07:02 |
| leong | my fault.. timzeone... :-) | 07:02 |
| kei | 10th it is then :) | 07:02 |
| leong | #agree next PWG regional meeting Jan 10th | 07:03 |
| leong | same time | 07:03 |
| kei | yes, same time. | 07:03 |
| leong | see you all then, and merry christmas, happy new year! | 07:03 |
| kei | same to you, leong. have a good one! | 07:03 |
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| kei | thanks, everyone! | 07:03 |
| kei | #endmeeting | 07:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 13 07:03:57 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:03 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-12-13-06.00.html | 07:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-12-13-06.00.txt | 07:04 |
| leong | alright! thanks everyone! | 07:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-12-13-06.00.log.html | 07:04 |
| hieulq | thanks, see you later | 07:04 |
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| priteau | #startmeeting blazar | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 13 09:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is priteau. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'blazar' | 09:00 |
| priteau | #chair masahito hiro-kobayashi | 09:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hiro-kobayashi masahito priteau | 09:00 |
| masahito | hi all | 09:00 |
| priteau | Hello | 09:00 |
| GeraldK | hi | 09:00 |
| r-mibu | o/ | 09:00 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Hello! | 09:00 |
| priteau | #topic Roll call | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll call (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:00 | |
| bertys | Hello | 09:00 |
| priteau | Hi r-mibu, nice to have you with us | 09:01 |
| bauzas | \o | 09:01 |
| priteau | anyone else? janki? | 09:01 |
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| janki | o/ | 09:02 |
| janki | priteau, hey | 09:02 |
| r-mibu | yes, sorry for the absence last week | 09:02 |
| priteau | Great, let's get started | 09:02 |
| priteau | #topic Action items from last call | 09:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from last call (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:02 | |
| priteau | In the meeting notes last week we had three explicit action items | 09:02 |
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| r-mibu | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2016/blazar.2016-12-06-09.00.html | 09:03 |
| priteau | 1. Review state of API versions: v1 vs v2 | 09:03 |
| priteau | 2. bauzas to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398716/ | 09:03 |
| priteau | 3. hiro-kobayashi to rebase 398716 on top of 406009 | 09:03 |
| priteau | First one was for me | 09:03 |
| priteau | I added my findings to our current Etherpad | 09:03 |
| priteau | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Blazar_status_2016 Status of the Blazar project (December 2016) | 09:03 |
| priteau | Scroll down to the header "Blazar REST API: v1 vs v2" | 09:04 |
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| priteau | As far as I understand, the service code has support for the two API versions and both are loaded by default | 09:04 |
| bauzas | exactly | 09:04 |
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| bauzas | the main difference for v2 is not zactly the WSGI router | 09:05 |
| priteau | There doesn't seem to be a big difference in API capabilities except for support for CRUD operations on "Before end" notifications, but I may be wrong | 09:05 |
| bauzas | that's rather that we have an automatic documentation | 09:05 |
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| bauzas | and that we have a different input validation | 09:06 |
| priteau | yes, the difference seems to be more on implementation | 09:06 |
| masahito | priteau: thanks. | 09:06 |
| priteau | however, there is no support for v2 in the client yet | 09:06 |
| priteau | I found some patches on Gerrit which were never merged | 09:06 |
| r-mibu | priteau, wich version are you using? | 09:06 |
| priteau | r-mibu: we use v1 in Chameleon | 09:06 |
| priteau | so if we want to deprecate / disable v1, we need support in the client first | 09:07 |
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| GeraldK | are people from HPE in the meeting? which version are you using? | 09:07 |
| r-mibu | ok, is v2 experimental? | 09:07 |
| bauzas | I added v2 | 09:07 |
| tejaswi | Hi Gerald. I am from HPE | 09:07 |
| bauzas | but we stopped working on Climate quite close after that | 09:08 |
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| bauzas | so we didn't had time to work more on v2 | 09:08 |
| GeraldK | hi tejaswi. | 09:08 |
| masahito | hi tejaswi | 09:08 |
| bauzas | there are a bit of differences between v1 and v2 about the REST objects etc. | 09:08 |
| tejaswi | I believe we are using v1 | 09:08 |
| bauzas | so v2 is not bacwards compatible with v1 | 09:09 |
| priteau | Hi tejaswi | 09:09 |
| bauzas | but I leave you guys think about that | 09:09 |
| priteau | so I listed a few action items on the Etherpad | 09:09 |
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| priteau | first is better documentation of differences between v1 and v2 | 09:09 |
| GeraldK | has the new implementation in v2 significant benefits to v1? | 09:09 |
| priteau | I would like to understand exactly the difference in REST objects | 09:10 |
| tejaswi | hi masahito, priteau | 09:10 |
| bauzas | GeraldK: at least for documenting | 09:10 |
| GeraldK | priteau: +1. shall we collect a list of things to review in detail? | 09:10 |
| bauzas | GeraldK: and since we used WSME, we have a better input validation | 09:10 |
| r-mibu | +1 to check out difference in API versions | 09:11 |
| priteau | GeraldK: There is a wiki page documenting the v1 API: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blazar/REST_API | 09:11 |
| masahito | +1 | 09:11 |
| masahito | bauzas: sounds like object means python object in server side, right? | 09:11 |
| bauzas | priteau: because v2 is autodocumented | 09:11 |
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| r-mibu | note, we don't have to keep backward compatibility | 09:11 |
| priteau | bauzas: is the v2 documentation generated by tox -e docs or something else? | 09:12 |
| bauzas | masahito: yeah, a WSME object rather | 09:12 |
| bauzas | priteau: I don't remember the exact tox call but yeah | 09:12 |
| priteau | #action Generate WSME doc for v2 API and check for differences with v1 (priteau) | 09:13 |
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| bauzas | priteau: indeed that's the doc target https://github.com/openstack/blazar/blob/master/tox.ini#L34 | 09:13 |
| priteau | I noticed that the WSME upstream repo doesn't have any recent changes, is it still the recommended framework for OpenStack APIs? | 09:13 |
| bauzas | nope | 09:13 |
| bauzas | that's a good point | 09:14 |
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| bauzas | the thing is that WSME was giving us great benefits | 09:14 |
| bauzas | but that's very strict | 09:14 |
| r-mibu | fyi: https://krotscheck.net/2016/03/25/we-need-an-consistent-openstack.html | 09:14 |
| priteau | the docs are generated by Jenkins on each review change | 09:14 |
| priteau | e.g. http://docs-draft.openstack.org/66/406666/7/check/gate-blazar-docs-ubuntu-xenial/5ddde5e//doc/build/html/restapi/index.html | 09:14 |
| priteau | r-mibu: very interesting link! | 09:15 |
| bauzas | r-mibu: I'd recommend to reach the API WG | 09:15 |
| r-mibu | it is valuable to have discussion which framework to be used in blazar | 09:16 |
| bauzas | when I was working on Climate, there was no group trying to make a consistent experience | 09:16 |
| bauzas | now, we have some guidelines | 09:16 |
| r-mibu | i don't have strong preference though | 09:16 |
| bauzas | me too | 09:16 |
| bauzas | we can even draft a v3 honestly | 09:16 |
| bauzas | that's not a big deal | 09:17 |
| bauzas | moving to Pecan was really a nobrainer, supporting WSME was the big deal but not that hard | 09:17 |
| masahito | I don't think we need to move new version depending on API implementation. | 09:17 |
| priteau | Yes, although we may want to have some new features added to Blazar to find out exactly how we want to shape a new API | 09:17 |
| bauzas | what I'd love honestly is us supporting microversions | 09:17 |
| r-mibu | microversions in NB API? or to talk to nova microversions APIs? | 09:18 |
| bauzas | API-WG microversions :) | 09:18 |
| bauzas | those are documented | 09:18 |
| r-mibu | ok | 09:18 |
| bauzas | but yeah, basically coming from nova | 09:18 |
| priteau | #link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/microversion_specification.html | 09:18 |
| priteau | From my use case I would like if our next release kept support for v1 in both service and client for providing an easy upgrade of Chameleon to Ocata | 09:20 |
| priteau | Afterwards, I am happy if we make more drastic changes | 09:20 |
| bauzas | I don't disagree with that :) | 09:20 |
| r-mibu | that makes sense | 09:20 |
| bauzas | that sounds very reasonable | 09:20 |
| hiro-kobayashi | +1 | 09:20 |
| masahito | make sense | 09:20 |
| bauzas | what I'm saying is that probably v2 would either need some rework to get rid of WSME or a v3 | 09:21 |
| masahito | IMO, we should support all existing feature in O release | 09:21 |
| priteau | #agreed keep support for v1 API in the next Blazar release | 09:21 |
| r-mibu | at least, we found no one using v2, so we can change v2 API maybe... | 09:21 |
| bauzas | the real problem with v1 is that you'll need to keep it stable | 09:21 |
| masahito | :-) | 09:22 |
| masahito | It's our first priority. | 09:22 |
| bauzas | so, once you'll begin modifying objects, you'll need to provide a backwards-compat path for returning those objects in a stable RESTful way | 09:22 |
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| priteau | if we have a replacement API ready soon we should mark v1 as deprecated | 09:23 |
| bauzas | hence IMHO the need for another API endpoint but v1 that would propose a microversion support | 09:23 |
| bauzas | or you would suffer from not being able to expose your latest features | 09:24 |
| priteau | that's a very good point | 09:24 |
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| priteau | #action investigate microversion support for Blazar API | 09:24 |
| priteau | I am not sure by when we can get this done though | 09:25 |
| bauzas | honestly, I think you guys should consider writing your own WSGI stack from stratch | 09:25 |
| masahito | we can discuss it after fixing known issue. | 09:26 |
| bauzas | so that you wouldn't suffer from trying to adapt the existing Flask or Pecan app | 09:26 |
| priteau | yes we have to focus on fixing known issues first and making the code more modern | 09:26 |
| bauzas | masahito: agreed, the problem would only be with new features | 09:26 |
| bauzas | if you guys focus on stability for your next release, then you can defer those points for later | 09:27 |
| priteau | I vote for defer until Ocata timeframe | 09:28 |
| masahito | priteau: +1 | 09:28 |
| hiro-kobayashi | +1 | 09:28 |
| GeraldK | focusing on stability and bug fixing for the next release makes sense, but we should not ignore the new features. it is because of them that we started looking into Blazar. | 09:28 |
| GeraldK | we should target new features for the next release already. | 09:28 |
| bauzas | that's really a resource problem | 09:29 |
| priteau | GeraldK: let's talk about new features later in the meeting | 09:29 |
| GeraldK | i mean new features for the following release | 09:29 |
| priteau | I would like to continue progressing on the agenda | 09:29 |
| priteau | Action item 2 was bauzas to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398716/ | 09:29 |
| bauzas | yeah, either way, exposing a new REST API is totally uncorrelated from fixing bugs | 09:29 |
| masahito | yes, so we need to write down what we need or discuss in etherpad ant try to keep it in mind. | 09:29 |
| priteau | bauzas pointed out that there were two many changes in the same patch and requested a new patch from hiro-kobayashi | 09:30 |
| priteau | which has now been contributed | 09:30 |
| bauzas | someone can work on supporting microversions (and decide which framework to use, and have the client supporting it) very separatetly from the team, that's not intricated | 09:30 |
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| priteau | hiro-kobayashi: I didn't understand your last comment on the patch. Are you saying that the line "if access == 'True':" is correct or incorrect? | 09:31 |
| bauzas | yeah, about https://github.com/openstack/blazar/blob/master/tox.ini#L34 I need to do a second pass, but I second your argument, priteau | 09:31 |
| hiro-kobayashi | priteau: it's correct | 09:31 |
| bauzas | oops | 09:31 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398716/ I meant | 09:31 |
| priteau | hiro-kobayashi: but in your comment you say "it should be compared as not boolean but string." | 09:31 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | I wrote details about it above link | 09:31 |
| priteau | oh, I see what you mean now | 09:32 |
| hiro-kobayashi | I meant the object stored in metadata is String | 09:32 |
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| bauzas | well, I don't want to discuss about a specific point in the review, but I orginally wrote that because .get() can return None | 09:32 |
| priteau | what I meant was, the original check is "if access", which for a string means if access is anything but the empty string | 09:32 |
| bauzas | so the conditional is only false if the key isn't present | 09:32 |
| bauzas | what the value of the key is is not tested in the original code | 09:33 |
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| priteau | what I couldn't find is where is this key set, is it somewhere in the Blazar code? | 09:33 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | Oh, i may misunderstand, then | 09:33 |
| hiro-kobayashi | So, that should be not changed from original? | 09:34 |
| bauzas | priteau: mmm, I need to remember that | 09:34 |
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| priteau | I checked our Chameleon deployment and all aggregates are tagged with "climate:owner" | 09:34 |
| bauzas | hiro-kobayashi: it *could* be changed, but that's a behavioural change, so I tend to deny that | 09:34 |
| r-mibu | 25 mins left... | 09:35 |
| priteau | but I didn't see a *key* set to the project_id and a value of *true* | 09:35 |
| priteau | I think we can continue the discussion on Gerrit | 09:35 |
| hiro-kobayashi | priteau: +1 | 09:35 |
| bauzas | agreed, I need to dig into old code | 09:35 |
| bauzas | because I can't remind that for now | 09:35 |
| priteau | third was hiro-kobayashi to rebase 398716 on top of 406009, which has been done | 09:36 |
| priteau | #topic Ongoing patch reviews | 09:36 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Yes, and it passes jenkins check | 09:36 |
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| priteau | I would like to keep this point short to leave time for the rest of the discussion | 09:36 |
| priteau | Good news is that Tony's patches have all been merged now | 09:36 |
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| priteau | I think I got all current patches linked from the Etherpad | 09:37 |
| priteau | and highlighted with "(needs review)" | 09:37 |
| masahito | good news. | 09:37 |
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| masahito | we can only discuss the patch someone needs help or something in this topic. | 09:37 |
| priteau | masahito: I would like if you could take a second look to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408079/ | 09:38 |
| masahito | for time keeping. | 09:38 |
| priteau | I need to review your tempest patches | 09:38 |
| bauzas | masahito: agreed | 09:38 |
| masahito | priteau: got it. | 09:38 |
| bauzas | we could just point out patches needing attention or just having disagreements or unclear statement in there | 09:39 |
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| bauzas | since meeting times are short :-) | 09:39 |
| priteau | and hiro-kobayashi if you could change the if test on "access" that we just mentioned | 09:39 |
| priteau | If nothing else let's move on | 09:39 |
| bauzas | FWIW, don't hesitate to ping me folks on #openstack-blazar when you want me to make a pass | 09:39 |
| priteau | #topic Discussion of new features | 09:39 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | priteau: OK | 09:39 |
| bauzas | I have a very limited capacity of reminding patches to review :) | 09:40 |
| priteau | We have some features already identified on the pad | 09:41 |
| priteau | Add resource plugins (e.g. Cinder, Neutron) | 09:41 |
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| priteau | I think there was preliminary work done on volume reservation | 09:41 |
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| priteau | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blazar/Use_Cases#Volume_Reservation | 09:42 |
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| bertys | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/blazar/+spec/basic-volume-plugin | 09:42 |
| bauzas | the real problem people objected was with quotas | 09:42 |
| bauzas | if you assume that reserving a resource will decrement your quota at the moment of the reservation and not at the time of the lease, then it can be possible to have other resources but just hosts or instances | 09:43 |
| bauzas | FWIW, that's why I tend to dislike the way we implemented instances reservation in Climate, because by the time the instance is unshelved, you could be out of quotas | 09:44 |
| bauzas | (but that's unrelated to the current topic) | 09:44 |
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| priteau | What are the new resource reservations needed for OPNFV? | 09:45 |
| r-mibu | bauzas, that's good point - we need to see clear use cases | 09:45 |
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| GeraldK | for Promise: see the 3rd user story in http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-user-stories/user-stories/draft/capacity_management.html | 09:46 |
| bauzas | r-mibu: I'd rather say that a usecase should also document the reservation workflow | 09:46 |
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| r-mibu | bauzas, kk | 09:46 |
| GeraldK | "I want guaranteed access to 30 vCPUs and 200GB of RAM for my project. In addition, during October-December, I want to be able to increase my usage to 150 vCPUs and 1TB of RAM" | 09:46 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | And we are analyzing gap between the usecase and current OpenStack(especially blazar): https://etherpad.opnfv.org/p/promise_gap_analysis | 09:47 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | Above is for topic later | 09:47 |
| hiro-kobayashi | also | 09:47 |
| GeraldK | for OPNFV Promise requirements see also: https://etherpad.opnfv.org/p/promise_minimum_features | 09:48 |
| priteau | GeraldK: that's only hypervisors though. What about volumes or floating IPs? | 09:48 |
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| GeraldK | priteau: yes, volumes, IP address ranges, (anti-)affintiy rules are also important | 09:49 |
| priteau | Would someone from OPNFV be willing to take ownership of investigating what it would take to extend reservation to new kind of resources? | 09:50 |
| masahito | ok, I try to prioritize which resource is needed. | 09:51 |
| GeraldK | i think this can be done as part of the gap analysis | 09:51 |
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| GeraldK | masahito: thanks | 09:52 |
| priteau | i.e. review the existing drafts, identify what were the problems at the time, propose an implementation approach, and most importantly check what would be required to be added in other projects | 09:52 |
| priteau | Thanks for volunteering masahito | 09:52 |
| masahito | GeraldK: yes. we need to make some orders as action item or blueprint in blazar | 09:52 |
| priteau | other features? | 09:53 |
| masahito | #action masahito translates Promise requirement to blazar feature | 09:53 |
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| priteau | Horizon support: I think we can work from the patch we use in Chameleon (which was written by one of the Blazar contributors) | 09:54 |
| priteau | I will find the URL and add it to Etherpad | 09:54 |
| bertys | priteau: +1 | 09:54 |
| hiro-kobayashi | priteau: that's very nice! | 09:54 |
| masahito | +1, the GUI looks nice | 09:54 |
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| masahito | if possible, I want to talk about PTG in remaining time. | 09:55 |
| priteau | Ability to terminate a lease on demand: that's a small change we made in Chameleon, I can submit it when we have finalized the test framework fixes | 09:55 |
| priteau | Ability to add / remove resources from a reservation: that's a bigger change because it doesn't fit well in the SQL model | 09:55 |
| priteau | and will probably require API changes too | 09:55 |
| priteau | #topic Project Teams Gathering (PTG) | 09:56 |
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| masahito | Does anyone in the meeting plan to go PTG? | 09:56 |
| bertys | masahito: Maybe, need to check internally | 09:57 |
| masahito | If most of us join it, we could unofficial meeting in there. | 09:57 |
| masahito | because we don't have room for gathering. | 09:57 |
| bauzas | FWIW, I'll attend the PTG | 09:57 |
| hiro-kobayashi | masahito: +1 | 09:57 |
| hiro-kobayashi | I will attend if you guys will attend and have time to F2F meeting | 09:58 |
| bauzas | there are 2 different timings for the PTG | 09:58 |
| priteau | I had not planned to go, I am not sure if I could get approval for attending since I would probably go to Boston too | 09:58 |
| bauzas | the 2 first days are intentionally for cross-project meetings | 09:59 |
| bauzas | while the 3 last ones are for internal discussions | 09:59 |
| bauzas | if someone would drop kind of a BoF session or a meetup around Blazar, probably the two first days are doable | 09:59 |
| priteau | #info The first Project Teams Gathering (PTG) will be held in Atlanta, Feb 20-24, 2017 | 10:00 |
| masahito | bauzas: yes. if we have free time on any days we can gather. | 10:00 |
| priteau | #info the 2 first days are intentionally for cross-project meetings, while the 3 last ones are for internal discussions | 10:00 |
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| masahito | ok. I'll send mail in openstack-dev which day works for us if we have meeting. | 10:01 |
| priteau | It would be an ideal venue to present our requirements to other teams | 10:01 |
| masahito | priteau: right. | 10:02 |
| masahito | btw, we're running out time. | 10:02 |
| priteau | masahito: you're taking ownership of organizing meeting there? | 10:02 |
| GeraldK | priteau: +1. i will check if bertys or I can join | 10:02 |
| masahito | priteau: if we have. | 10:02 |
| priteau | ok | 10:03 |
| priteau | We're out of time, thanks everyone! | 10:03 |
| priteau | #endmeeting | 10:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 13 10:03:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2016/blazar.2016-12-13-09.00.html | 10:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2016/blazar.2016-12-13-09.00.txt | 10:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2016/blazar.2016-12-13-09.00.log.html | 10:03 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Thanks! | 10:03 |
| masahito | I'm going to join PTG Tue-Fri. | 10:03 |
| masahito | bye | 10:03 |
| GeraldK | bye | 10:04 |
| priteau | talk to you next week | 10:04 |
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| moshele | #startmeeting sriov | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 13 13:00:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is moshele. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sriov)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sriov' | 13:00 |
| lbeliveau | o/ | 13:00 |
| moshele | hi | 13:00 |
| lennyb | hi | 13:00 |
| pkoniszewski | o/ | 13:01 |
| janki | o/ | 13:01 |
| moshele | #topic Patches for Subteam Review | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Patches for Subteam Review (Meeting topic: sriov)" | 13:01 | |
| moshele | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sriov_meeting_agenda Line 29 | 13:02 |
| moshele | lbeliveau: should we add this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/405575/ | 13:02 |
| lbeliveau | yes | 13:03 |
| lbeliveau | still working on it - need to validate abort case | 13:03 |
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| moshele | lbeliveau: so did you figure this part https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/resource_tracker.py#L761-L767 ? | 13:04 |
| moshele | do we need it ? | 13:04 |
| lbeliveau | yes, it's needed when the RT kicks in | 13:05 |
| moshele | so we have bug in pci migration :) | 13:05 |
| lbeliveau | maybe, we can discuss offline | 13:05 |
| moshele | yes ok | 13:05 |
| moshele | let move on to live migration patches | 13:05 |
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| moshele | pkoniszewski: I tested you patch so I can see the migration context is correct, but like I wrote in the comments we need a follow-up patches to fix macvtap | 13:06 |
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| pkoniszewski | moshele: thanks for testing! | 13:07 |
| pkoniszewski | moshele: i just pushed new change set that addresses most of comments, still investigating | 13:07 |
| moshele | pkoniszewski: ok | 13:08 |
| moshele | pkoniszewski: anything else on the live migration patch? | 13:08 |
| pkoniszewski | not sure yet I understand what's going on with macvtap and libvirt | 13:09 |
| pkoniszewski | i will ask you (offline) when i will have any questions | 13:09 |
| moshele | pkoniszewski: sure np. | 13:09 |
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| moshele | I need a +2 from another nova core for Enhance PCI passthrough whitelist to support regex https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199488/ | 13:11 |
| moshele | maybe sfinucan can review it | 13:11 |
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| sfinucan | moshele: Yup, it's on my list for today | 13:11 |
| moshele | sfinucan: cool, thanks | 13:12 |
| moshele | sfinucan: and congrats on becoming a nova core :) | 13:13 |
| sfinucan | heh - cheers :) should help this subteam especially | 13:13 |
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| moshele | :) | 13:14 |
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| sfinucan | next topic? | 13:15 |
| moshele | I don't think we have a next topic :) | 13:16 |
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| moshele | does anyone have other issue/comments ... | 13:16 |
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| lbeliveau | just my tempest test that is stuck, but not sure if anybody here can help | 13:16 |
| moshele | lbeliveau: did you talked to tempest cores? | 13:17 |
| sfinucan | lbeliveau: link? I /might/ be able to | 13:17 |
| lbeliveau | I tried to ping them, no answer, I'll try with the PTL to see if he can help to find one | 13:17 |
| sfinucan | ...depending on the issue, of course | 13:17 |
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| moshele | sfinucan: it has +2 just need another one | 13:18 |
| lbeliveau | sfinucan: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348498/ | 13:18 |
| lbeliveau | tempest to test network connectivity on revert resize | 13:18 |
| lbeliveau | *migration | 13:18 |
| moshele | anything else? | 13:19 |
| sfinucan | lbeliveau: Ah, nifty. Can't +2 of course but I'll review that too | 13:19 |
| sfinucan | Not from me | 13:19 |
| lbeliveau | I'm good | 13:19 |
| moshele | #endmeeting | 13:19 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 13 13:19:35 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:19 |
| moshele | thanks everyone | 13:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-12-13-13.00.html | 13:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-12-13-13.00.txt | 13:19 |
| lbeliveau | thanks | 13:19 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-12-13-13.00.log.html | 13:19 |
| sfinucan | cheerio | 13:19 |
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| EmilienM | hey oh | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 13 14:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | #topic agenda | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * one off agenda items | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * bugs | 14:00 |
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| EmilienM | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * CI | 14:00 |
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| EmilienM | * Specs | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * open discussion | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | who is around today? | 14:00 |
| mwhahaha | o/ | 14:00 |
| jpich | o/ | 14:00 |
| Ng | .o/ | 14:00 |
| chem | o/ | 14:00 |
| shadower | hey | 14:00 |
| jtomasek | o/ | 14:00 |
| shardy | Hi! | 14:00 |
| marios | \o | 14:00 |
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| beagles | o/ | 14:01 |
| akrivoka | hiya \o | 14:01 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 14:01 |
| rbrady | o/ | 14:01 |
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| ccamacho | o/ | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | what a nice gang here | 14:01 |
| gfidente | o/ | 14:01 |
| gfidente | oh you said that before I o/ | 14:01 |
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| bandini | o/ | 14:02 |
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| EmilienM | we had some actions | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | team to review tripleo spec reviews policy https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406264/ | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | jpich to breakdown https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406264/ | 14:02 |
| trown | o/ | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | beagles to abandon old reviews and propose a policy to document it | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | EmilienM to test tripleo with centos7.3 and see how it goes | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | EmilienM to send update on ML about releases ocata-2 and newton | 14:03 |
| weshay | o/ | 14:03 |
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| pradk | o/ | 14:03 |
| sshnaidm | o/ | 14:03 |
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| EmilienM | I need to postpone my actions | 14:03 |
| beagles | I did a cleanup but got sidetracked off of policy edit.. .will get to that this week it seems | 14:03 |
| thrash | o/ | 14:03 |
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| jpich | Policy broken down, the straight up migration from the wiki has merged, the new tidbit is at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407533/ | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | #action EmilienM to test tripleo with centos7.3 and see how it goes | 14:04 |
| EmilienM | #action EmilienM to send update on ML about releases ocata-2 and newton | 14:04 |
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| matbu | o/ | 14:04 |
| EmilienM | beagles: thanks, are you doing all tripleo repos? | 14:04 |
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| EmilienM | jpich: approved | 14:05 |
| beagles | EmilienM: almost all, I skipped diskimage-builder - some unfamiliar names on there | 14:05 |
| shardy | EmilienM: aren't we doing a yum update as part of the image build? | 14:05 |
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| jpich | EmilienM: Cool, thanks | 14:05 |
| beagles | EmilienM: but will revisit all the same | 14:05 |
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| shardy | all my local boxes (including undercloud) are yum updated and therefore running centos7.3 | 14:05 |
| beagles | EmilienM: I'll reach out to those that seem still active if they are still around before abandoning them | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | shardy: right, that's why I wanted to see how it works, I've heard some issues with nova and qemu | 14:06 |
| trown | EmilienM: wrt 7.3 testing... we are doing it now because we run yum update :) | 14:06 |
| beagles | #action beagles propose policy edit for periodically abandoning old reviews | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | jpena sent an email about it | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | trown: ok nice | 14:06 |
| shardy | EmilienM: Ok, I guess I assumed we did a yum update in CI too | 14:06 |
| trown | EmilienM: so everywhere that is using centos and runs yum update is using 7.3 | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | beagles: you can skip dib, it's fine | 14:06 |
| beagles | EmilienM: okay | 14:07 |
| sshnaidm | shardy, we do | 14:07 |
| trown | EmilienM: overcloud images might be the only place that is not tested yet in tripleo-ci, because I don't thing we run update there | 14:07 |
| EmilienM | and we don't have any trouble with the qemu/nova thing? | 14:07 |
| shardy | Ok, so we're already testing 7.3 then, which is what I thought | 14:07 |
| sshnaidm | trown, https://github.com/openstack-infra/tripleo-ci/blob/3bd847ccd63d209c13091dd4f5d8f3de3102aadf/scripts/common_functions.sh#L106-L106 | 14:07 |
| EmilienM | ok let's start the agenda | 14:08 |
| trown | sshnaidm: nice | 14:08 |
| EmilienM | #topic off agenda items | 14:08 |
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| EmilienM | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items | 14:08 |
| EmilienM | ccamacho: shoot | 14:08 |
| shardy | EmilienM: I've had several problems with nova, but none related to centos 7.3 AFAIK, maybe there are issues I've not hit yet tho | 14:09 |
| ccamacho | we are going to send some TripleO cheatsheets to FOSDEM and devconf | 14:09 |
| ccamacho | feedback/reviews are welcomed there https://github.com/ccamacho/tripleo-cheatsheet | 14:09 |
| weshay | nice | 14:09 |
| weshay | that cheatsheet made it to reddit :) | 14:09 |
| EmilienM | shardy: are they reported somewhere? | 14:09 |
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| pradk | ccamacho, thats awesome | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | ccamacho: nice work here :) | 14:10 |
| ccamacho | but they are WIP | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | ccamacho: do you need us to take some actions? review them, etc? | 14:10 |
| ccamacho | mostly give feedback for adding content there | 14:10 |
| shardy | EmilienM: yes https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1649341 | 14:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1649341 in puppet-nova "Undercloud upgrade fails with "Cell mappings are not created, but required for Ocata"" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Alex Schultz (alex-schultz) | 14:10 |
| marios | ccamacho: looks great weshay noway :) | 14:10 |
| d0ugal | o/ | 14:11 |
| ccamacho | becasue we should send them for printing at the end of the year | 14:11 |
| shardy | EmilienM: I then updated everything to delorean-current and nova then has RPC problems, so trunk may be broken, but I don't think it's because of centos | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | shardy: oh this one, mwhahaha is on it iirc | 14:11 |
| shardy | EmilienM: Yeah we worked through it yesterday | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | ccamacho: do you want to use ML to share infos here and get wide feedback? | 14:11 |
| ccamacho | awesome, Ill send then an ML | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | shardy: thanks. I'll try to help Alex also, we might have found some chicken&egg problem here | 14:12 |
| EmilienM | ccamacho: thanks | 14:12 |
| ccamacho | openstack-dev [TripleO] as usual | 14:12 |
| shardy | ccamacho: will these be associated with some talk? | 14:12 |
| EmilienM | bandini: go ahead | 14:12 |
| bandini | thanks | 14:12 |
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| ccamacho | shardy I dont think so, they are general cheatsheets for people jumping into TripleO | 14:12 |
| bandini | so yeah I'd like some high-level feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408726/ which fixes https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1615983 | 14:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1615983 in tripleo "if $::hostname == boostrap_node checks are fragile" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Michele Baldessari (michele) | 14:12 |
| bandini | I am not entirely happy with the approach I have taken as it is a lot of code churn | 14:13 |
| bandini | so am looking for other ideas | 14:13 |
| bandini | maybe shardy or dprince have some thoughts there? | 14:13 |
| marios | bandini: is this for ocata? | 14:13 |
| EmilienM | so the idea is to build an array of nodes for each service | 14:13 |
| EmilienM | and take the first one for the bootstrap? | 14:13 |
| marios | bandini: i mean rather, it isn't meant to be for newton? (me checks bug) | 14:13 |
| EmilienM | marios: ocata man... we don't backport features ;-) | 14:13 |
| shardy | ccamacho: Ok, I'll provide feedback on the ML - I wonder if targetting quickstart might be easier as the deploying cheat-sheet is pretty complex for an unassisted new user | 14:14 |
| marios | bandini: fwiw will have a look added myself to reviews, sorry completely missed that one | 14:14 |
| EmilienM | marios: this is for Composable HA | 14:14 |
| bandini | well this is a bug, but it is extremely unlikely to hit newton | 14:14 |
| marios | EmilienM: thanks | 14:14 |
| bandini | we hit it 100% with composable ha though as soon as we put a pacemaker resource in two different roles | 14:14 |
| EmilienM | bandini: well, not sure we can backpor that one | 14:14 |
| EmilienM | it changes the interface quite a bit | 14:14 |
| ccamacho | shardy awesome we can include also a OOOQ cheatsheet | 14:14 |
| bandini | EmilienM: yeah I don't think we need to backport anything to newton | 14:14 |
| shardy | (and, we're trying to move away from instack-virt-setup) | 14:14 |
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| bandini | EmilienM: plus I'd first like to get consensus on the approach, maybe there are cleaner alternatives I have not thought of | 14:14 |
| bandini | anyway, if anyone can throw some cluebones my way on that review, that would be awesome ;) | 14:15 |
| EmilienM | bandini: I had a quick look and it looks good to me | 14:15 |
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| EmilienM | bandini: but i'll spend more time. This thing looks critical | 14:16 |
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| EmilienM | #action HA & puppet experts to look https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408726/ | 14:16 |
| bandini | yeah the more composable we get the more we will need to fix that one way or the other | 14:16 |
| EmilienM | bandini: thanks! | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | anything else before we go to regular agenda? | 14:17 |
| dprince | bandini: I think you may be onto the right track | 14:17 |
| bandini | I am good, thanks | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | yes I agree. Though we haven't test it yet | 14:17 |
| ccamacho | mwhahaha quick question, testing upstream composable upgrades, it hangs ... :( and I only found an connection error on heat as we are not setting up the transport_url ( https://github.com/openstack/puppet-heat/commit/b865dffaa68602f520d3b6fe6bfbe8f6f8a30cf1#diff-0e9e2411cdc9fbc9f7df5a11085ba2a9 ) do you think this can break the deployment? Currently testing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410171/ but hitting an | 14:17 |
| dprince | bandini: one suggestion would be could we keep the mechanism in t-h-t such that we can use a similar approach for containers | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | and I would like to see a CI job that test it, since slagle did the 3-nodes CI job working | 14:17 |
| bandini | dprince: oh I see, I will look into that | 14:18 |
| dprince | bandini: with containers we aren't using Puppet for the db_sync, rather we would execute the db_sync by using docker-cmd to run a quick db_sync using the container itself | 14:18 |
| EmilienM | ccamacho: a bit out of topic now, can we stick on agenda? | 14:18 |
| ccamacho | EmilienM sure | 14:18 |
| bandini | oh I see | 14:18 |
| shardy | dprince, bandini: yeah but if we move this back into tht, we should avoid reintroducing a hard-coded 0 reference again | 14:19 |
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| shardy | perhaps we can look into using yaql first() or something, as the lookup on the ResourceGroup ends up being by name, not by index | 14:19 |
| bandini | shardy: ack, noted | 14:20 |
| shardy | we fixed that by moving the lookup into puppet-tripleo, where it is by index | 14:20 |
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| EmilienM | and export some hiera for the first() occurence? | 14:20 |
| dprince | shardy: would be nice, but I'd give the generic mechanism (works across containers and baremetal) priority. But ++ on trying first() w/ yaql | 14:20 |
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| shardy | EmilienM: Yeah something like that | 14:20 |
| dprince | EmilienM: yes, I'd say keep the puppet modules dumber. Just assume they are told whether to sync or not to sync by heat | 14:21 |
| shardy | dprince: ack, I'm totally fine with moving it back to tht, but I'd rather avoid the hard-coded "0" issue we had before | 14:21 |
| mwhahaha | ccamacho: I'll take a look today and get back to you | 14:21 |
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| EmilienM | dprince: ++ | 14:21 |
| ccamacho | mwhahaha thanks man | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | are we done with $topic? | 14:22 |
| EmilienM | #topic bugs | 14:22 |
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| EmilienM | #link https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/ocata-2 | 14:22 |
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| EmilienM | we have a huge number of bugs and I would like to drop a note about that | 14:23 |
| EmilienM | 16 Confirmed, 50 Triaged, 41 In Progress | 14:23 |
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| EmilienM | by the end of ocata-3, we'll freeze features in TripleO and will move efforts into fixing bugs and making things more stable until we release the final ocata | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | the only exception will be composable upgrades I guess | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | any feedback on that ^ is welcome | 14:24 |
| marios | EmilienM: end of january for O3 right? yes i fully expect we'll be backporting to stable/ocata for at least the last bits | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | marios: yes | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | marios: don't think about branching now, we'll wait a bit more than last time | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | so we reduce the # of backports | 14:25 |
| marios | EmilienM: shardy matbu chem ccamacho and anyone else that is interested we were thinking of having an upgrades squad syncup this week to talk about how to proceed with that | 14:25 |
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| EmilienM | marios: that's excellent | 14:26 |
| ccamacho | marios++ | 14:26 |
| EmilienM | marios: feel free to send an email when it's done, with a summary of your progress | 14:26 |
| matbu | marios: +1 | 14:26 |
| marios | EmilienM: ack | 14:26 |
| chem | marios: cool | 14:26 |
| EmilienM | something on openstack-dev [tripleo] [upgrade] blabla | 14:26 |
| EmilienM | marios: thanks man | 14:26 |
| matbu | marios: irc mtg ? | 14:26 |
| tikitavi | Hello, can anybody help me? I'm trying to publish installation guide for our service to docs.openstack.org | 14:26 |
| marios | matbu: possibly... whatever works. personally i think a call may be better. | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | tikitavi: we're in the middle of a meeting, please ask on #openstack-dev or #openstack-doc | 14:27 |
| matbu | marios: ack, up to you | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | do we have outstanding bugs this week? | 14:27 |
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| EmilienM | one I see is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1649341 | 14:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1649341 in puppet-nova "Undercloud upgrade fails with "Cell mappings are not created, but required for Ocata"" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Alex Schultz (alex-schultz) | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | but shardy / mwhahaha are already working on it | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | is there anything we have missed? | 14:28 |
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| EmilienM | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:29 |
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| EmilienM | so I missed it last week but I need to send an email | 14:29 |
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| EmilienM | this week, we'll release ocata-2 | 14:29 |
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| EmilienM | i'll take care of moving bugs/blueprints to ocata-3 | 14:29 |
| EmilienM | also, if a blueprint has zero or slow progress, I'll contact the assignee and propose a postpone to pike-1 | 14:30 |
| EmilienM | I plan to release a new Newton version by next week also, when ocata-2 will be done | 14:30 |
| EmilienM | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 14:31 |
| EmilienM | bookmark this link if you need any info about release ^ | 14:31 |
| EmilienM | but after January 27th, we'll stop implementing features in TripleO | 14:31 |
| EmilienM | and work more on bug fixing and stabilization | 14:32 |
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| EmilienM | I think that's the plan. Any feedback or questioN? | 14:32 |
| trown | seems reasonable | 14:33 |
| shardy | +1 sounds good to me | 14:33 |
| EmilienM | it means, after ocata-3, we have 5 weeks to stabilize things | 14:33 |
| EmilienM | (if we use the trailing cycle) | 14:33 |
| EmilienM | marios: for composable upgrades, we'll still accept patches, as it's the most critical thing in this cycle. | 14:34 |
| bandini | +1 | 14:34 |
| marios | EmilienM: ack thanks for the clarification | 14:34 |
| EmilienM | #action EmilienM to start postponing bugs / blueprints to ocata-3 or pike-1 | 14:34 |
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| EmilienM | #topic CI | 14:34 |
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| EmilienM | I would like CI folks to review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:3-node please | 14:35 |
| EmilienM | slagle: would it be possible to have a 3-node CI job that test composable HA? or do we need more nodes? | 14:36 |
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| EmilienM | also, I have an update about ovb jobs and recent problems | 14:37 |
| weshay | nice | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | derekh, sshnaidm and panda worked on rh1 issues and it seems things are working again | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | we need to merge this patch once it passes CI https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410131/ | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | #action CI folks to review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:3-node and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410131/ | 14:38 |
| sshnaidm | EmilienM, I see ha job passed, so should be ok | 14:38 |
| panda | ping test on ha job for the ovb fix just passed | 14:38 |
| EmilienM | bandini: could we run a 2-nodes overcloud and test composable HA? | 14:38 |
| EmilienM | or do we need more nodes? | 14:38 |
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| bandini | EmilienM: I think we can, I need to have a think about it | 14:39 |
| EmilienM | bandini: ok thx, please let me know post meeting, it's really important that we have coverage for that | 14:39 |
| bandini | EmilienM: agreed | 14:40 |
| EmilienM | thx | 14:40 |
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| EmilienM | any other info about CI? | 14:40 |
| EmilienM | #topic Specs | 14:41 |
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| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open | 14:41 |
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| EmilienM | I would like to remind that specs not approved by ocata-2 (this week) won't be implemented in ocata and postponed to pike-1 | 14:42 |
| EmilienM | the GUI and validations specs look in good shape, I'll review them this week | 14:43 |
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| shadower | thanks :-) | 14:43 |
| shardy | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/pike-1 | 14:44 |
| EmilienM | yeah, we already creating the milestones :D | 14:44 |
| shardy | Note folks can target things to pike now, so we track them on the roadmap even if they aren't expected to land for Ocata | 14:44 |
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| EmilienM | do we need to discuss about a spec in specific? | 14:45 |
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| EmilienM | let's open the discussion | 14:45 |
| EmilienM | #topic open discussion | 14:45 |
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| shardy | There has been some ML discussion about fully composable networks | 14:46 |
| EmilienM | feel free to bring any topic or question | 14:46 |
| shardy | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-December/108779.html | 14:46 |
| shardy | Interested to get feedback on the ideas in that thread - I think we might consider it as a feature for pike | 14:46 |
| EmilienM | matbu: what is the progress on upgrade job? | 14:46 |
| EmilienM | shardy: composable everything! :-) | 14:46 |
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| shardy | EmilienM: hehe :) | 14:47 |
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| shardy | EmilienM: I think the upgrades job patch is getting pretty close but there are still some issues to be worked out | 14:47 |
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| shardy | I'm trying to get it working locally, so we can iterate faster with the testing | 14:47 |
| EmilienM | shardy: nice | 14:47 |
| shardy | will share notes when I have it functional | 14:48 |
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| EmilienM | shardy: it would be nice to start a specs for the composable networks, maybe trozet can start it | 14:48 |
| matbu | EmilienM: i think we are realyl close, i'll make an update of the current review (i'm testing the change atm) | 14:48 |
| shardy | EmilienM: agreed - it's been discussed a few times but I don't think there is a spec | 14:48 |
| EmilienM | he's not online here but I'll check with him if he's interested | 14:48 |
| matbu | EmilienM: the job was green yesterday twice | 14:49 |
| shardy | EmilienM: as mentioned in the ML thread, we may end up partially implementing it as a side-effect of those two bugs related to composable roles and network isolation | 14:49 |
| EmilienM | matbu: how can we make a pingtest? | 14:50 |
| shardy | EmilienM: we can run pingtest when we've added the services pingtest requires | 14:50 |
| EmilienM | shardy: can we create a basic pingtest that create keystone resources? | 14:50 |
| matbu | EmilienM: hm actually we need a specific pingtest | 14:50 |
| shardy | EmilienM: but for now I was planning to add a basic sanity smoke test which uses e.g openstackclient | 14:50 |
| EmilienM | shardy: sounds good enough | 14:51 |
| EmilienM | shardy: as we only deploy keystone for now | 14:51 |
| EmilienM | matbu, shardy: how many time takes the job? | 14:51 |
| EmilienM | are we hitting timeout? | 14:51 |
| matbu | EmilienM: it took 59 | 14:51 |
| matbu | minutes | 14:51 |
| shardy | yup, then we'll add e.g glance and create/delete an image, eventually moving over to the pingtest stack instead | 14:51 |
| EmilienM | in total? | 14:52 |
| matbu | yep | 14:52 |
| EmilienM | wow, that's good | 14:52 |
| matbu | this is really fast | 14:52 |
| EmilienM | yeah, next step is glance :D | 14:52 |
| * EmilienM dancing | 14:52 | |
| matbu | well i wrong i think it's 49 minutes | 14:52 |
| shardy | I think that's not actually testing the full upgrade yet, as it's deploying master tht, but yeah it looks pretty good | 14:52 |
| shardy | and I think we can combine the upgrade with converge steps (just for CI) when we land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409857/ | 14:53 |
| EmilienM | shardy: oh, you mean we don't upgrade everything else? | 14:53 |
| EmilienM | shardy: we don't run yum update I mean? | 14:53 |
| matbu | shardy: it does the converge now | 14:53 |
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| shardy | EmilienM: No it does run the yum update, it's just not using the right tht yet | 14:54 |
| EmilienM | ok | 14:55 |
| EmilienM | folks, 5 min left, do we have anything else to discuss this week? | 14:55 |
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| EmilienM | if I don't freeze, I'll see you next week! thanks for your time and have fun | 14:56 |
| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 14:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 13 14:56:33 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-12-13-14.00.html | 14:56 |
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| tmorin | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:15 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 13 15:15:59 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:16 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:16 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:16 |
| pcarver | hi | 15:16 |
| tmorin | hi doude, eon`, lewo | 15:16 |
| tmorin | hi pcarver | 15:16 |
| tmorin | hi matrohon | 15:16 |
| tmorin | hi timirnich | 15:16 |
| matrohon | hi | 15:16 |
| tmorin | sorry for being late | 15:16 |
| tmorin | cant get used to winter schedule | 15:16 |
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| lewo | hi | 15:17 |
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| tmorin | let's see what we have on our agenda... | 15:19 |
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| tmorin | * stadium-related work in progress | 15:19 |
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| tmorin | * discussing where to implement API constraints (matrohon, doude) | 15:20 |
| tmorin | * discussing the Atlanta PTG | 15:20 |
| tmorin | anything else ? | 15:20 |
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| pcarver | sounds like a good list | 15:23 |
| tmorin | #topic stadium things / API | 15:24 |
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| tmorin | pcarver: want to give us a status ? | 15:24 |
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| pcarver | I think the api-ref/definition change is about done, but there's a gate failure on the gate-neutron-lib-api-ref job. When I run tox -e api-ref locally I don't get a failure. | 15:25 |
| pcarver | I haven't looked into what the difference is yet. | 15:25 |
| pcarver | If there are any more reviewer concerns about the api definition I'll split that part out as a different commit from the api-ref, but at this point I think it's mostly ok from a human review standpoint | 15:26 |
| tmorin | pcarver: I'd tend to believe the cause for this failure to be somewhere else | 15:26 |
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| tmorin | whether in a recent docutils package, or in the api-ref package | 15:27 |
| pcarver | I'm supposing from Armando's "on the fence" comment that he's not going to block it over the sub-resource stuff | 15:27 |
| tmorin | pcarver: I share this understanding, ; we'll see | 15:27 |
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| tmorin | pcarver: anyhow, the sub-resource stuff is only a question related to how they are represented in the API definition, not about what the API is seen from the outside (this will not have to change, whatever the decision ends up being done on the representation) | 15:28 |
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| tmorin | ok, next topic ? | 15:30 |
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| tmorin | #topic stadium / move openstack client to python-neutronclient | 15:31 |
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| tmorin | not sure if doude is around... | 15:32 |
| tmorin | doude ? | 15:32 |
| tmorin | ok, we'll see next meeting if he has an update on this... | 15:33 |
| tmorin | #topic where to implement API constraints (matrohon, doude) | 15:33 |
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| tmorin | matrohon: do you want to explain/give a status ? | 15:33 |
| matrohon | yep, I filed a bug recently | 15:34 |
| matrohon | let me find it | 15:34 |
| tmorin | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1648510 ? | 15:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1648510 in networking-bgpvpn "Constraint enforcment might not work for contrail driver" [Undecided,New] | 15:34 |
| matrohon | yep | 15:34 |
| tmorin | haven't you identified a possible race as well, which you were dicussing with kevinbenton the other day ? | 15:35 |
| tmorin | it's not in this bug report right | 15:35 |
| matrohon | so doude was asking for removing this constraint since the opencontrail controller was already checking that | 15:35 |
| matrohon | that's a pont | 15:35 |
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| tmorin | yes, this point is ok/easy, I think : we can certainly move this to the Db-specific driver base class | 15:36 |
| matrohon | and another is that currently, I'm pretty sure that if concurrent API calls are sent to neutron for bpgpn attachment to router and networks, the constraint might be bypassed | 15:36 |
| matrohon | well, I'd rather say concurrent API call for attching a net to a bgpvpn and a subnet of this net to a router | 15:37 |
| tmorin | matrohon: yes, since the DB itself has no way (at least no obvious way) to enforce this kind of constraint, we can't have a race-free check | 15:37 |
| matrohon | tmorin, +& | 15:38 |
| matrohon | tmorin, +1 | 15:38 |
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| matrohon | a possible workaround would be to recheck the constrint periodicly | 15:38 |
| matrohon | but I' not keen of this kind of implementation | 15:39 |
| tmorin | the thing is that this constraint is not something absolutely necessary | 15:39 |
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| tmorin | it was added to avoid a possible confusion about what it can possibly mean to have both at the same time | 15:39 |
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| tmorin | I don't think its worth spending an unreasonable amount of effort on it | 15:40 |
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| matrohon | back in the days, I heard about possible route leaking? | 15:40 |
| tmorin | on the other hand, having the constraint and letting it open to a race, is not nice | 15:40 |
| tmorin | route leaking: ? | 15:40 |
| matrohon | from one bgpvpn to another, with dual attachments? | 15:41 |
| tmorin | my recalling is that the question, in the case where a network was bound to a BGVPN and connected to a Router attached to a same BGPVPN, was that perhaps with some backend it would be left undetermined whether the traffic would "go through" the router or not | 15:42 |
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| tmorin | a question which does not necessarily makes sense for all backends... | 15:42 |
| tmorin | no, I don't see why route leaking would happen, and I don't remember a discussion on that | 15:43 |
| tmorin | I may be wrong though | 15:43 |
| matrohon | ok, it seems we don't have a strong opinion on having this kind of constraint | 15:43 |
| tmorin | I think the thing was mainly discussed with Jan Scheurich | 15:44 |
| matrohon | maybe just a warning for an nondeterministic behavior woud be sufficient? | 15:44 |
| matrohon | in the doc | 15:44 |
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| tmorin | yep, or perhaps "behavior may depend on the backend" | 15:45 |
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| matrohon | makes sense | 15:45 |
| matrohon | we can forward the callback to the backend, and it's up to it to stop the attachment | 15:46 |
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| tmorin | matrohon: well, yes, but enforcing the constraint race-free may or may not be easy for the backend | 15:51 |
| matrohon | indeed.. we should use some kind of distributed lock manager for that | 15:52 |
| tmorin | matrohon: but for sure, if the backend has an incompatibility, we can decide to delegate him the responsibility for enforcing the constraint | 15:52 |
| tmorin | ok... | 15:53 |
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| tmorin | #topic Atlanta PTG | 15:53 |
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| matrohon | tmorin, for bagpipe and backends that use the db, the lock offered by mysql might be enough... | 15:54 |
| matrohon | ok let's move on | 15:54 |
| tmorin | yes, let's move the discuss to later / #openstack-net-bgpvpn | 15:54 |
| tmorin | does anyone have an idea of what is planned around Neutron for the Atltanta PTG in February ? | 15:55 |
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| tmorin | nothing on the mailing list as far as I can tell | 15:56 |
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| tmorin | who plans to go ? | 15:56 |
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| tmorin | I'm very likely to be there, and think it would be a good opportunity to work in depth on net-bgpvpn | 15:57 |
| tmorin | in particular on API evolution | 15:57 |
| pcarver | I plan to put in a travel request. I don't know what the likelyhood of approval is. | 15:57 |
| tmorin | ok | 15:58 |
| tmorin | matrohon: any plans yet ? | 15:58 |
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| matrohon | tmorin, no, not in my schedule for now | 15:58 |
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| juggler | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | juggler: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | juggler: I'm here, and I can start it | 16:00 |
| tmorin | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 13 16:00:35 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-12-13-15.15.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-12-13-15.15.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-12-13-15.15.log.html | 16:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 13 16:00:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:00 |
| juggler | adrian_otto ah, ok | 16:00 |
| tmorin | juggler: sorry about that | 16:00 |
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| juggler | tmorin no worries :-) | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-12-13_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
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| strigazi | o/ | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:01 |
| jvgrant | Jaycen Grant | 16:01 |
| Drago1 | o/ | 16:01 |
| tonanhngo | Ton Ngo | 16:01 |
| hongbin | o/ | 16:01 |
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| hieulq_ | Hieu LE o/ | 16:01 |
| juggler | Perry Rivera o/ | 16:01 |
| swatson | O/ | 16:01 |
| randallburt | o/ | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | hello juggler strigazi jvgrant tonanhngo Drago1 hongbin hieulq_ swatson and randallburt | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | I had a webinar I was hosting a moment ago, so I asked juggler to be here to start the meeting for us just in case I was held over for a few minutes. | 16:03 |
| juggler | hello | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | :-) | 16:03 |
| juggler | hello all again! | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) FYI: Some clouds used in Openstack CI do NOT have internet access. Example: http://logs.openstack.org/53/404253/7/check/gate-functional-dsvm-magnum-k8s-ubuntu-xenial/83e2636/console.html#_2016-12-12_08_44_01_365605 | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | not sure who added that one to the agenda. | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | any follow up remarks on this announcements? | 16:04 |
| strigazi | I added this, I have an update but I couldn't login | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | proceed, strigazi | 16:04 |
| strigazi | The problem is that docker can't reach the docker.io or gcr.io | 16:05 |
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| strigazi | There is an issue with network configuration | 16:05 |
| strigazi | only in some providers | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | is this a malfunction of those clouds? | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | or is that the expected configuration for those? | 16:06 |
| strigazi | I askes on infra channel and they told me we can't do anything | 16:06 |
| strigazi | I think is the configuration, I'll continue looking into this | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let's regroup on this in open discussion | 16:06 |
| strigazi | sure | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | or maybe that was enough just to let us all know it's ongoing work | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | 2) Reminder, there will be no meeting on 2016-12-27 | 16:07 |
| strigazi | on going work, nothing more | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | any other announcements from team members? | 16:07 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:07 |
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| adrian_otto | ACTION: adrian_otto to ask swatson about claiming https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+bug/1489908 | 16:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1489908 in Magnum "Tech-Debt: Add tests for DB migration" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Stephen Watson (stephen-watson) | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | Status: complete, swatson is now working on it. | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | to my delight! | 16:08 |
| swatson | :) | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | thanks swatson !! | 16:08 |
| swatson | np | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | Essential Blueprints | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/flatten-attributes Flatten Attributes [strigazi] | 16:09 |
| juggler | yea swatson! | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | strigazi: you still with us? | 16:09 |
| strigazi | Good progress, the db migration script is done | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | ah, there you are | 16:09 |
| strigazi | Finishing the python code | 16:10 |
| strigazi | see: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/395012/ | 16:10 |
| strigazi | The spec might need a revision | 16:10 |
| strigazi | When written the goal was to do the migration in two setps | 16:10 |
| strigazi | s/setps/steps | 16:11 |
| strigazi | But for a service like magnum we can afford a small downtime to upgrade, like heat does | 16:11 |
| strigazi | So, as it is pushed now, it adds the new table and migrates all the data to the new schema | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | our preference would be to support zero downtime upgrades | 16:12 |
| randallburt | IIRC Heat is hoping to get rid of any need for downtime. Hard problem, but if we can avoid it, we should | 16:12 |
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| Drago1 | strigazi: There's only one migration in the spec, not two | 16:12 |
| randallburt | preference would be for adding new table, syncing data, and using code or triggers to sync for at least a cycle | 16:13 |
| strigazi | randallburt ^^ afaik heat doesn't have a solid plan at the moment | 16:13 |
| randallburt | strigazi: fair enough | 16:13 |
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| Drago1 | The fact that heat isn't doing it yet was enough for me to abandon it in the spec | 16:13 |
| hieulq_ | strigazi: your code contain DROP part, which may be the cause for upgrade downtime | 16:13 |
| strigazi | Drago1, true thanks | 16:13 |
| randallburt | Why? | 16:13 |
| randallburt | Maybe we can come up with something that helps them rather than waiting on them to solve a problem with something we may or may not be able to use | 16:14 |
| strigazi | Currently, magnum requires the daemons to be stop to upgrade the db | 16:14 |
| hieulq_ | strigazi: IIRC, nova team try to avoid DROP part (contract phase) for achieving rolling-upgrade | 16:14 |
| strigazi | even bfore this change | 16:14 |
| Drago1 | I did not want to gate flatten attributes on that. If we want, we can work on it, but I see no reason to block features until we have it | 16:14 |
| Drago1 | randallburt: ^ | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | +1 | 16:15 |
| strigazi | Drago1 +1 it's a totally different task | 16:15 |
| randallburt | strigazi: so I can't do blue/green deployment with Magnum at all? | 16:15 |
| jvgrant | Drago1 +1 | 16:15 |
| randallburt | agreed | 16:15 |
| randallburt | it can be solved separately | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | any more remarks on flatten-attributes? | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/nodegroups Nedegroups [Drago] | 16:16 |
| Drago1 | No update on Nedegroups. I haven't had time to work on it. jvgrant? | 16:16 |
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| jvgrant | working on some minor updates from the last set of feedback | 16:17 |
| juggler | point of clarification: nodegroups or Nedegroups? | 16:17 |
| jvgrant | i was out part of last week, i should have another update today | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | juggler: NodeGroups | 16:17 |
| juggler | ty | 16:17 |
| Drago1 | ;) | 16:17 |
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| juggler | Drago1 :) | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | I tried to edit it, but the wiki system is busted currently | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | and I cut&pasted that rom the wiki | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | ok, next BP | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/secure-etcd-cluster-coe Secure Central Data store(etcd) [yatin] | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | I don't think yatin is here to give an update. | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | I think the code for this was in review last I checked. | 16:18 |
| strigazi | The k8s patch is in very good shape, testing | 16:18 |
| Drago1 | link? | 16:18 |
| strigazi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407374/ | 16:19 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/407374 | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | ok, next one is: | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/cluster-upgrades Cluster Upgrades [strigazi] | 16:19 |
| strigazi | spec revised, ready for input | 16:20 |
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| strigazi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392193/ | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | thanks strigazi | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | any remarks on this? | 16:21 |
| strigazi | I don't have any at the moment | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | ok, that concludes the Essential Blueprints review | 16:21 |
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| adrian_otto | Other Work Items | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/391537 Specification for Magnum cluster stats API [vijendar] | 16:21 |
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| adrian_otto | has vijendar started his time off? | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | welcome jasond | 16:22 |
| randallburt | dunno tbh | 16:22 |
| jasond | adrian_otto: thanks | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | ok, the open question on this is should we use a /stats endpoint for this | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | and based on further discussion I came to prefer that approach to others | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | that's what's shown in the current review IIRC | 16:23 |
| tonanhngo | +1 | 16:23 |
| randallburt | adrian_otto: is that question still open? thought vijendar changed it because Drago1 brought up a technical issue with the other proposal | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | do we want to discuss this at all, or are we all happy using /stats? | 16:23 |
| Drago1 | Yes, /stats versus what alternative? | 16:23 |
| jvgrant | I think everyone was mostly agreed now on /stats | 16:24 |
| randallburt | adrian_otto: IMO, leave further discussion to the spec and circle back if it stalls again | 16:24 |
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| adrian_otto | the one with the potential namespace collision problem is the alternative, but I wanted to confirm consensus on the change, as we've had intermittent review participation on that spec. | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I'm planning to vote to merge that today. | 16:25 |
| jvgrant | the other portion of why it was requested for the meeting was a desire to have community agreement on the included stats | 16:25 |
| hongbin | there is a minor issue | 16:25 |
| hongbin | that is who implemented the metric collection is unspecified (in driver or magnum) | 16:25 |
| Drago1 | I agree with tonanhngo's comment that the driver should be responsible for what stats to collect. | 16:25 |
| hongbin | that is not a blocker, but better to address it in a revision | 16:25 |
| hongbin | Drago1: then, state it in the spec :) | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: noted, thanks for reminding me about that | 16:26 |
| jvgrant | in my opinion, i think we start with what was included here and add additional when needed | 16:26 |
| randallburt | adrian_otto: hongbin: if vijendar isn't available today, I'll address those comments as best I can to keep the train moving | 16:26 |
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| hongbin | ok | 16:26 |
| randallburt | its not a question of "what", but some idea of the expected "how" at this point | 16:26 |
| Drago1 | hongbin: I will. I would do it right now but I can't sign in to gerrit… | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | one thing we can do is open tech debt bug tickets against a spec when we have something that we anticipate revisiting, but we don't want to hold spec merge up further. | 16:27 |
| randallburt | Drago1: nobody can atm | 16:27 |
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| randallburt | ok so Drago1 or I will update the spec sometime today if we can't get Vijendar | 16:27 |
| hongbin | ok, it is not a blocker, so feel free to merge it | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | I think that means we can't open bugs either ;) | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | thanks | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | ok, that brings us to an important topic | 16:28 |
| swatson | adrian_otto: +1 to the tech debt idea | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Should we support non-Atomic Fedora? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409251/ | 16:28 |
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| randallburt | yes | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | some background... | 16:28 |
| randallburt | :) | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | Magnum drivers should each support one OS | 16:29 |
| juggler | +1 tech debt bug tickets | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | as the required orchestration can vary from one to the next | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | and having multi-personality drivers results in more complex driver code with lots of conditional logic | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | one new feature we are working on this cycle is lifecycle operations (to support upgrades and restarts for example) | 16:30 |
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| adrian_otto | we planned to leverage the heat client and heat features to implement this | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | correction... | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | heat agent | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | rather than having a custom magnum agent | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | in implementing the head agent we discovered some difficulty in making it work in Fedora Atomic, even though we know that theoretically it *should work* | 16:31 |
| hongbin | what are the difficulties? | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | and we showed that id *does* work with Fedora | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: hold on just a moment before we go into problem solving mode | 16:32 |
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| strigazi | well it works, it's a bit more difficult to add the required packages | 16:32 |
| randallburt | hongbin: atomic does not allow write access to the default directories the openstack agents need | 16:32 |
| juggler | another q: do we have the developer resources or potential to increase developer resources to support non-Atomic Fedora? | 16:32 |
| strigazi | randallburt can you elaborare | 16:33 |
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| hongbin | containerized the heat agents doesn't solve the problem? | 16:33 |
| randallburt | strigazi: once adrian_otto is done. | 16:33 |
| strigazi | randallburt ok | 16:33 |
| Drago1 | No, they don't, because they take too long to load the image | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so here is the question I have been building toward | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | do we care what OS our drivers use? | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | if so, do we have a strong preference for Fedora Atomic | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | if so, why? | 16:33 |
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| adrian_otto | the floor is yours | 16:34 |
| strigazi | IMO | 16:34 |
| randallburt | I'd like to add that while Atomic seems great as a base distro, they don't seem to be quick to get a working k8s 1.4 out the door. IMO, Magnum *can't* release without 1.4 support in Ocata.' | 16:34 |
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| strigazi | I don't have a preference in Atomic or any other OS, but the optimal solution is containerized solution | 16:34 |
| strigazi | s/solution/solutions | 16:34 |
| juggler | as a Fedora ambassador, perhaps I should recuse myself :) | 16:35 |
| randallburt | strigazi: why is containerized "optimal"? | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | strigazi: acknowledged. I think we all share that preference. | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | but could we treat that as directional? | 16:35 |
| rochaporto | randallburt: if we move the kube pieces to containers, then it's not an issue | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | randallburt: exactly | 16:35 |
| Drago1 | strigazi: Do you mean containerized in order to achieve immutable infrastructure, or is there another reason? | 16:35 |
| randallburt | rochaporto: oh, I agree, I was speaking of the host OS, not magnum stuffs | 16:35 |
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| randallburt | no, they're talking about containerized k8s (self hosted) vs the host OS. | 16:36 |
| randallburt | Drago1: ^ | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | containerizing the COE services makes them more upgradable, and furthermore upgradable within an immutable infrastructure discipline (sounds contrary to logic when I write it that way) | 16:36 |
| jasond` | randallburt: strigazi: i was messing with hyperkube, seems promising | 16:36 |
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| randallburt | right we agree on containerized k8s. has nothing to do with the os od | 16:37 |
| randallburt | s/od/os | 16:37 |
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| Drago1 | os os? | 16:37 |
| randallburt | we can and have done containerized k8s 1.4 on Fedora | 16:37 |
| randallburt | sorry, "host os" | 16:37 |
| rochaporto | so which parts of the os? docker? | 16:37 |
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| adrian_otto | randallburt: my guess is that because Fedora is designed to be used in an immutable infrastructure context that some stakeholders may have a preference for it. I want to verify if that preference in fact is in play or not. | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | s/Fedora/Fedora Atomic/ | 16:38 |
| randallburt | is it fair to say that as a community we don't care about the host OS but do care that k8s is containerized in the ocata release of Magnum? | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | I agree with that at least | 16:39 |
| Drago1 | Switching to Fedora non-atomic doesn't preclude us from still treating the infrastructure as immutable, it just makes it less painful to work with in some cases | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | ^^ randallburt | 16:39 |
| strigazi | we do want k8s containerized in ocata | 16:39 |
| randallburt | so Atomic isn't a requirement moving forward? | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | so this is something that I plan to float on the ML as well | 16:39 |
| tonanhngo | We started with Atomic, but I have not heard a real requirement for it | 16:39 |
| randallburt | strigazi: agreed. Atomic isn't required for that, though, right? | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | but I wanted to start that conversation here | 16:39 |
| rochaporto | randallburt: yes, if all is containerized then it shouldn't matter? but if agents are installed from packages then it does? | 16:40 |
| strigazi | randallburt, it's not, but fedora opens the door to put dnf install -y in heat templates | 16:40 |
| randallburt | rochaporto: imo it doesn't matter how the agents are installed other than footprint and boot time | 16:40 |
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| randallburt | according to Drago1 containerizing the agents has a very negative impact on cluster spin-up times | 16:40 |
| rochaporto | if you do dnf install magnum-agent then it won't work in atomic | 16:41 |
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| randallburt | so IMO, its better to have the agents native on the host | 16:41 |
| hongbin | we could do this: check if the package is installed, if not, pull down the containerized compoenent | 16:41 |
| Drago1 | Is it problematic that the heat agents would not be containerized? If they are containerized, the image ends up being 300+ MB and on CI it takes ~4 minutes to `docker load/pull`, which is too long | 16:41 |
| Drago1 | Because of python | 16:41 |
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| adrian_otto | so let's pose a hypothetical question: If there were a compelling reason to use an alternate OS, and there were engineers committed to maintaining such an alternate driver, woudl we as a dev team have an objection to bringing in an additional driver (first as contrib, and later in tree if it sees production use)? | 16:41 |
| jvgrant | adrian_otto: i don't see a problem with that | 16:42 |
| hongbin | it needs to be looked at case by case IMO | 16:42 |
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| randallburt | adrian_otto: fine, but IMO, this is duplicating work since we also have to solve the containerized k8s 1.4 issue as well and its not productive to have to rebase/refactor these drivers a dozen times between now an ocata | 16:42 |
| randallburt | we have to solve all those things in the same driver | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: agreed, but what might be some reasons we would be reluctant to welcome a new driver? | 16:43 |
| tonanhngo | It should be safe to start in contrib so it can be evaluated | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | randallburt: that's a good reason. | 16:43 |
| randallburt | and cert revocation requiring heat agents is true of *all* drivers | 16:43 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: as others said, duplicated code | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: acknowledged. | 16:43 |
| rochaporto | but you can still run the agent in a container (we do it for our local certs with a bind mount) | 16:43 |
| randallburt | rochaporto: using Atomic? | 16:44 |
| strigazi | yes | 16:44 |
| rochaporto | yes | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | rochaporto: see Drago1 remarks above about load time for the heat agent once containerized. | 16:44 |
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| strigazi | this is a problem only on openstack infra | 16:44 |
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| randallburt | wait, so this discussion is mute if we have a solution that's simply not committed in the Magnum repo? | 16:44 |
| Drago1 | strigazi: Which becomes our problem | 16:44 |
| randallburt | moot | 16:44 |
| randallburt | strigazi: this is a problem in real world usage of Magnum though. | 16:45 |
| rochaporto | randallburt: we run multiple additional containers for local systems (storage, krb5, etc) | 16:45 |
| rochaporto | it's not the heat-agent | 16:45 |
| randallburt | oh | 16:45 |
| rochaporto | they are in go, and pulled from a local docker registry so it's fast | 16:45 |
| hongbin | ok, how about this. make magnum support both containerized k8s and packaged k8s | 16:45 |
| randallburt | rochaporto: so you *don't* use the heat agents | 16:45 |
| hongbin | on the ci, build everything into the image | 16:46 |
| randallburt | hongbin: the issue is not about containerized k8s. | 16:46 |
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| hongbin | then, the problem is the ci? | 16:46 |
| rochaporto | randallburt: my point was it's possible to containerize it (although i understand the ci issues today) | 16:46 |
| randallburt | hongbin: the issue is containerized heat agents and them not working in Fedora Atomic | 16:46 |
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| randallburt | possible doesn't mean acceptable, though | 16:46 |
| Drago1 | rochaporto: It HAS been containerized, and I abandoned that idea because of the CI issues | 16:46 |
| randallburt | Drago1: you mean the heat agents? | 16:47 |
| Drago1 | Yes | 16:47 |
| randallburt | k | 16:47 |
| hongbin | well, what i suggested is don't containerized the agents in ci, but does containerized the agents in other cases | 16:47 |
| randallburt | again, I think we need to get back to the core question. Do we require Atomic for the Fedora hosted drivers? | 16:47 |
| randallburt | hongbin: if its too slow for CI, its too slow to foist on a user IMO | 16:48 |
| Drago1 | hongbin: That means we still need non-containerized heat agents in CI, which is what we're talking about | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin suggested having two variants... one that we optimize for ideal CI performance, and another focused on pursuit of pure immutable infrastructure. | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | what do others think of that idea? | 16:48 |
| randallburt | adrian_otto: very boo | 16:48 |
| juggler | boo? | 16:48 |
| randallburt | as in "do not like" | 16:48 |
| juggler | ah | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | he prefers to have one | 16:49 |
| strigazi | the atomic image with heat agent inside didn't work? | 16:49 |
| juggler | adrian_otto ah | 16:49 |
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| jasond` | strigazi: os-apply-config wasn't writing os-collect-config.conf for some reason | 16:49 |
| jvgrant | i think it is a decent workaround but could be problematic not testing on variant | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | strigazi: not *yet* but we think it *should*. We felt the Fedora approach would get us cert revocation sooner. | 16:49 |
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| randallburt | as well as speed up support for 1.4 | 16:50 |
| randallburt | so bonus | 16:50 |
| strigazi | adrian_otto ok | 16:50 |
| hongbin | jvgrant: tested it in thrid-party CI :) | 16:50 |
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| hongbin | 2 cents | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | we'll plan to wrap this discussion soon so we will have time for open discussion too. | 16:51 |
| jvgrant | hongbin: agreed. | 16:51 |
| randallburt | ok, to clarify again. would anyone -2 basing the fedora k8s drivers on non-atomic images? | 16:51 |
| Drago1 | Using non-atomic opens up the possibility that the drivers could treat the infrastructure as non-immutable. But, we could just… not merge in changes that would do that. | 16:51 |
| jvgrant | i still haven't heard a really good reason why we need atomic | 16:51 |
| randallburt | same | 16:51 |
| strigazi | I don't have a problem moving from atomic, but the new driver with new packages is like redoing everything | 16:51 |
| jvgrant | doesn't the ironic driver use non-atomic already | 16:52 |
| strigazi | yes | 16:52 |
| rochaporto | so does mesos | 16:52 |
| randallburt | strigazi: we can remove that part in favor of hypercube | 16:52 |
| Drago1 | strigazi: Luckily it's much easier to work with non-atomic because you get DIB! | 16:52 |
| jvgrant | Drago1: +1 | 16:52 |
| hongbin | i am ok to switch to non-atomic for now, but i think magnum should keep the micro-os in mind in the long term | 16:53 |
| jvgrant | it would make automating building images easier which is something that we wanted at one point as well | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: I agree. I think having a mOS option as the primary supported one is ideal long term. | 16:53 |
| rochaporto | same here | 16:53 |
| tonanhngo | you can also install additional packages as needed for development, troubleshooting | 16:53 |
| strigazi | it makes it easy to add many extra packages inside | 16:53 |
| jvgrant | much easier | 16:54 |
| Drago1 | adrian_otto, hongbin: micro-os meaning a philosophy or something concrete? | 16:54 |
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| hongbin | Drago1: meaning the approach used by CoreOS, Atomic | 16:54 |
| hongbin | Drago1: i.e. immutable infra | 16:55 |
| Drago1 | And if the heat agent eventually gets written in go, I'm all for containerizing it | 16:55 |
| Drago1 | hongbin: Gotcha | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | Drago1: I'm using the term mOS as any distro designed for immutable infra usage. (CoreOS, Atomic, Snappy, etc) | 16:55 |
| randallburt | not micro as in small | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | I'm not religious about which we use | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | so if there is a proposal that departs from that long term vision in the mean time, we can state the visionary intent in the commit message of the review to make it clear we are not advocating a change in long term strategy. | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | although such a departure would admittedly duplicate some work, we'd want to know what the reasoning is before investing too much effort there | 16:56 |
| randallburt | right. so, moving on? | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | I'm opening to open discussion now. We can still continue this topic as well | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:57 |
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| randallburt | Still waiting on feedback for the last of this patch chain for driver encapsulation: | 16:57 |
| randallburt | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/405709 | 16:57 |
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| strigazi | randallburt it's coming | 16:57 |
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| randallburt | cool, thanks strigazi | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | jvgrant: is there a reason you did not workflow+1? | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | oh, wait | 16:57 |
| hieulq_ | Hi, we want to integrate OSProfiler in Magnum, please review and approve if no problem: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/osprofiler-support-in-magnum | 16:57 |
| jasond` | strigazi: will you remind mvelton to send me that systemd unit file for hyperkube? | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | tonanhngo: you had a -1 vote there | 16:58 |
| randallburt | someone else reported a possible issue but I could not reproduce nor get details on how to | 16:58 |
| strigazi | jasond yes | 16:58 |
| jvgrant | adrian_otto: lack of more reviewers. wanted at least another +1 | 16:58 |
| jasond` | strigazi: thanks | 16:58 |
| tonanhngo | It broke for me, but I can revisit | 16:58 |
| jvgrant | and then we got a -1 | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | jvgrant: thanks | 16:58 |
| randallburt | adrian_otto: jvgrant I am ok and encourage more reviewers before +A | 16:58 |
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| randallburt | jvgrant: haven't gotten any info on reproducing that nor do the gates back it up | 16:58 |
| Drago1 | tonanhngo: How many times did you test it? I see the cluster not found in master sometimes, but not often. | 16:59 |
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| Drago1 | As in, in the hundreds of clusters I've created, I've seen it 2 or 3 times | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | 1 minute remaining. About to close the meeting. | 16:59 |
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| randallburt | got to run to another meeting. laters! | 16:59 |
| tonanhngo | I tried it twice | 16:59 |
| jvgrant | randallburt: ok, there has been time now for reviews and as long as we don't haven additional feedback i think we can push it | 17:00 |
| hongbin | hieulq_: the bp looks ok to me | 17:00 |
| randallburt | k | 17:00 |
| hieulq_ | hongbin: thanks :-) | 17:00 |
| randallburt | gotta run | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | Thanks for attending our team meeting today. Our next meeting will be on 2016-12-20 at 1600 UTC. I will not be working that day, so I may coordiante an alternate chair. | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 13 17:00:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-12-13-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-12-13-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-12-13-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #startmeeting murano | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 13 17:01:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #topic rollcall | 17:01 |
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| ativelkov | o/ | 17:01 |
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| learnmore_ | Borne and I (Ellen) are here from Oracle. Hello. | 17:02 |
| StanLagun | o/ | 17:02 |
| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:02 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | nothing on agenda today, so let's hop right to Open Discussion | 17:05 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Open Discussion | 17:05 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | hi learnmore_ =) | 17:05 |
| kzaitsev_mb | anything we can help you with or maybe you had some questions? =) | 17:06 |
| learnmore_ | Hi, I have lots of questions. | 17:06 |
| learnmore_ | First, the new UI will not be in Ocata. Yes or No? | 17:06 |
| StanLagun | it won't be | 17:06 |
| learnmore_ | Why? Not enough time? Not enough resources to complete it? | 17:07 |
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| sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: hi there ) | 17:08 |
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| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: I wanted to check regarding release notes issue highlighted by ttx | 17:08 |
| sergmelikyan | will you take care of this issue? | 17:08 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: can you please elaborate? | 17:08 |
| kzaitsev_mb | learnmore_: well, not enough resources is the answer | 17:09 |
| sergmelikyan | sorry, licensing not release notes | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I don't think anyone is currently actively working on the thing | 17:09 |
| sergmelikyan | in murano-apps tepo | 17:09 |
| sergmelikyan | *repo | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | greasy fingers? =) | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | yeah, I remember that thing | 17:09 |
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| learnmore_ | Sorry to hear this news. It means that we won't get all the features that we asked for in the Barcelona working sumit in Murano. It means we will have to use the workarounds that were suggested. | 17:10 |
| learnmore_ | StanLagun: Thanks for the your help regarding our first request. I will try it out. It is a good idea. | 17:11 |
| StanLagun | learnmore_: Unfortunately Mirantis has 0 full-time engineers working on Murano right now so everything is up to contributors from other companies | 17:12 |
| learnmore_ | Ooh that is bad news for us. | 17:12 |
| learnmore_ | Will there be any new features for Murano in Ocata? | 17:13 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: if you have some time — please feel free to prepare the commit. ) if not — i'll have some time to do that around NY. Don't think there is any rush in the thing, cause we're not releasing murano-apps any time soon ) | 17:13 |
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| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: Ok :) | 17:14 |
| kzaitsev_mb | learnmore_: StanLagun: I think parts of the resource estimation have been merged, haven't they? | 17:14 |
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| StanLagun | kzaitsev_mb: no | 17:14 |
| StanLagun | in Ocata the UI definitions are better | 17:15 |
| learnmore_ | What do you mean by better? | 17:15 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: wanted to raise the idea of marking murano-apps as release:none but I think it doesn't fix re-licensing issue anyway | 17:15 |
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| StanLagun | it is possible to specify MuranoPL action that will be executed before UI render and use the data returned from that action to control the form controls | 17:16 |
| StanLagun | for example you can return a list of drop-down options from that method | 17:16 |
| StanLagun | so now it is more dynamic | 17:16 |
| learnmore_ | Where can I find more info on this? It sounds like what we need for choosing character sets based on language. | 17:17 |
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| StanLagun | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/389089/ | 17:17 |
| StanLagun | see release notes file | 17:18 |
| learnmore_ | Thanks. I'll take a look. | 17:18 |
| learnmore_ | This new UI was in progress, yes? So there is code that is partially done, almost done? Is it possible for us to pick this up and finish it? | 17:19 |
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| StanLagun | only the spec and the MuranoPL-to-JSONSchema generation part. Nothing on the frontend | 17:19 |
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| learnmore_ | How feasible do you think it is to complete it for Ocata? If you were to complete this, how much time would you need? Obviously we would need more. | 17:22 |
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| StanLagun | Frontend part is like to rewrite most of murano-dashboard from the scratch. | 17:23 |
| learnmore_ | I get the idea that this is not a go for Ocata then :) | 17:23 |
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| StanLagun | The way it's going now I would be surprised if it will be written ever. | 17:25 |
| StanLagun | Maybe in P or Q if someone picks it up | 17:25 |
| bmace | Hi StanLagun. Ok, perfect, that was going to be my question, if anyone was actively working on it or not, and the answer is no :) | 17:25 |
| learnmore_ | Thank you for the update. We will have to evaluate what this means for our murano database app that is suppose to be based on Ocata. | 17:25 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | bmace: learnmore_: sorry to disappoint you guys, but thats the way things are now | 17:26 |
| bmace | kzaitsev_mb. open source resource constraints can be difficult. we will chat about it in house and see what we can do. | 17:27 |
| learnmore_ | I appreciate the honesty. Murano is a great product. | 17:28 |
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| sergmelikyan | guys, all the specs are available and we can help as much as we can with clarifying open questions and so on | 17:29 |
| sergmelikyan | I strongly believe that it's feasible to pickup and finish in Ocata given team has required expertise in UI/Django/Python | 17:30 |
| sergmelikyan | there are no magic, and we tried to publish any documentation which we had on that topic | 17:30 |
| learnmore_ | That is great to hear. Stan has been very responsive. We will need your help going forward even if it is only to answer questions. | 17:30 |
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| learnmore_ | That's all I had for today. | 17:34 |
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| sergmelikyan | learnmore_: we are ready to support with answers to questions, I hope that community will pick up the project and continue to improve. | 17:37 |
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| learnmore_ | Thank you. Will you continue to hold these meetings? | 17:39 |
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| ativelkov | Well, at least till the end of Ocata | 17:42 |
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| learnmore_ | Glad to hear that. | 17:43 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | looks like we're out of topics to discuss, and no real updates for today | 17:47 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so I suggest to end 10 mins early ;) | 17:48 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, I assume there are no objections | 17:52 |
| kzaitsev_mb | thanks for joining today folks | 17:52 |
| sergmelikyan | + | 17:52 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #endmeeting | 17:52 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-12-13-17.01.html | 17:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-12-13-17.01.txt | 17:52 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 13 19:00:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:00 |
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| sslypushenko_ | o/ | 19:01 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko_: hello | 19:01 |
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| sslypushenko_ | catherineD: Hi! | 19:01 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-12-13 | 19:01 |
| pvaneck | o/ | 19:01 |
| catherineD | let's wait for a few minutes for other to join ... | 19:02 |
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| catherineD | alright .. let's start .. | 19:04 |
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| catherineD | meeting agenda and notes, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-12-13 | 19:04 |
| catherineD | #topic Update RefStack website with code in master | 19:05 |
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| luzC | o/ | 19:05 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 19:05 |
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| catherineD | We made it!!!! The website was updated with the latest code on master on Dec 19, 2016. | 19:06 |
| Rockyg | yay! | 19:06 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 19:06 |
| catherineD | now vendor/product registration is available so people can associate test results to vendor/product | 19:07 |
| catherineD | thank everyone for working together to make this date before the holidays ... | 19:07 |
| catherineD | these are big changes ... | 19:07 |
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| catherineD | however, there was issues that the website was down for a couple hours after the updates | 19:09 |
| catherineD | #topic Issue encountered during the update | 19:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Issue encountered during the update (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:09 | |
| catherineD | The issue seems to be caused by pyOpenSSL package being updated and not related to the RefStack code itself. | 19:10 |
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| sslypushenko_ | This issue can be mitigated by fixing upper version in requirements.txt | 19:11 |
| sslypushenko_ | but it is a partial fix | 19:12 |
| catherineD | jeblair and mordred helped to investigate and fix to bring our website up ... Thanks so much!!! | 19:12 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko_: yea we need to investigate this issue before the next update to the website | 19:13 |
| sslypushenko_ | RefStack definitely should align requirements management process with common community process | 19:13 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko_: ++ | 19:13 |
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| catherineD | my fundamental question is : do we need this package ( pyOpenSSL) in our requirements.txt? | 19:14 |
| catherineD | now that our site is running without it | 19:14 |
| sslypushenko_ | I guess it is nice to have it... but with fixed version | 19:14 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko_: we are not using it though ... | 19:15 |
| catherineD | anywhere in our code | 19:15 |
| sslypushenko_ | in RefStack code - yes | 19:15 |
| sslypushenko_ | but it if someone wonats to setup development version of RefStack with https | 19:16 |
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| catherineD | we did a search and could not detect that | 19:16 |
| sslypushenko_ | then this package is necessary | 19:16 |
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| catherineD | is https://refstack.openstack.org/#/ and SSL env? | 19:17 |
| sslypushenko_ | yeap, but here https is handled by nginx | 19:18 |
| luzC | also on the conversation mordred mentioned it is needed to talk to openstackid, right? | 19:18 |
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| sslypushenko_ | catherineD: let me investigate this issue a bit, I'll inform you about results tomorrow, ok? | 19:19 |
| catherineD | luzC: it does not seems so because our login is by talking with openstackid .. | 19:19 |
| sslypushenko_ | luzC: I don't think, so | 19:19 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko_: great! Thanks a lot!!!! | 19:19 |
| catherineD | if we do not fix this (by removing it or some other action ...) we will face the same issue on the next update | 19:20 |
| catherineD | we maynot be as lucky last time with the in time help from mordred and jeblair .. out website could be down for a while ... | 19:21 |
| Rockyg | Do we have a rollback method? That would be useful. | 19:22 |
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| catherineD | Rockyg: yea with this lesson learned .. we need to investigate a rollback methog | 19:23 |
| catherineD | method or strategy ... | 19:23 |
| sslypushenko_ | Without having staging server - we will hit similar problems again, some day) | 19:24 |
| catherineD | I will table that for our coming meeting | 19:24 |
| sslypushenko_ | And also rollback will be nice to have | 19:25 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko_: exactly .. it was nerveracking last Friday | 19:25 |
| catherineD | I am not sure how to get a staging env ... it kinds of go against the CI/CD practice? | 19:26 |
| catherineD | anyway ... these are the decision and strategy we need to make ... | 19:26 |
| catherineD | for now let's pat ourself on the back for delivering these new features ... we have been working on these for the last 2 cycles | 19:28 |
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| catherineD | good job everyone ... | 19:28 |
| catherineD | that brings us to the next topic | 19:28 |
| catherineD | #topic Working with DefCore to advertise this features | 19:29 |
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| catherineD | how do we advertise these new features to the users ... | 19:29 |
| catherineD | I will bring this topic to DefCore meeting ... | 19:29 |
| luzC | a how-to article on the super user would be good too | 19:30 |
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| catherineD | luzC: good idea ... the about link now have some info | 19:31 |
| catherineD | that is what we should do | 19:31 |
| catherineD | the most features are available to Foundation admin ... | 19:32 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: at the minimum you can mark the links that vendor sent to you for Powered Logo application as verified | 19:33 |
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| catherineD | by marking those links (results) as verified these test records are protected .. noone can delete them until they are unmark by foundation admins | 19:34 |
| catherineD | this also open the door for us to discable anonymous data upload in 2017 | 19:34 |
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| catherineD | any other discussion on this one | 19:35 |
| catherineD | ? | 19:35 |
| catherineD | hearing nothing. I think we can move to the next topic .. | 19:36 |
| catherineD | #topic IRC meetings for the next 2 weeks | 19:36 |
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| catherineD | I will be out of the office for the next 2 weeks... | 19:36 |
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| catherineD | does anyone want to run the meeting or should we cancel ? | 19:37 |
| sslypushenko_ | +1 for cancel | 19:38 |
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| Rockyg | +1 | 19:38 |
| luzC | +1 for cancel | 19:39 |
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| catherineD | alright, I will send out an email to cancel | 19:39 |
| catherineD | moving on .. | 19:39 |
| catherineD | #topic Pending reviews | 19:40 |
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| catherineD | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409357/ ( Replace mention of easy_install with pip ) | 19:40 |
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| sslypushenko_ | Good catch | 19:43 |
| sslypushenko_ | if author will not update the patch I will do it | 19:44 |
| sslypushenko_ | but patch definitely needs to be updated) | 19:44 |
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| catherineD | ok do we want to merge this one and then follow up with the next one? or you just update this one? | 19:45 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko_: ++ | 19:45 |
| luzC | +1 to update this one... also note that package from apt might be a very old version... is that enough for refstack? | 19:46 |
| catherineD | I am not sure that we need that latest one ... but if we do then what being proposed without using apt-get will get us the latest one ... | 19:48 |
| sslypushenko_ | luzC: for ubuntu 14.04 and 16.04 it is pretty fresh | 19:49 |
| catherineD | Is there a standard in OpenStack? Noted that this only affects new build of RefStack server ... which should mostly in development env | 19:49 |
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| catherineD | I have tested either ways .. as expected both works ... | 19:50 |
| catherineD | moving on ... | 19:51 |
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| catherineD | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/403017/ ( Show team and repo badges on README ) Refstack | 19:51 |
| catherineD | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409975/ ( Show team and repo badges on README ) Refstack-client | 19:52 |
| catherineD | I will take a look at the doc created by these two before merging them ... | 19:52 |
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| catherineD | now that our about link does link to the rst doc in the refstack repository | 19:52 |
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| catherineD | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396700/ ( Add authentication with Json Web Tokens ) and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410271/ ( Add tool for coverage check ) | 19:54 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko_: thanks for working on these two patches ... we really need them | 19:54 |
| catherineD | everyone please review ... | 19:55 |
| sslypushenko_ | yeap it should be ready for review | 19:55 |
| catherineD | I will review and test them too | 19:55 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko_: question do you expect to have them update on the website as soon as possible? if so we need to make an other update the the website | 19:56 |
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| sslypushenko_ | this patch does not affect website | 19:57 |
| luzC | I'll take a look... | 19:57 |
| sslypushenko_ | it introduce auth method usable by CLI tools | 19:58 |
| sslypushenko_ | so update of refstack.org it not necessary | 19:59 |
| catherineD | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396700/ change the API ... if we want those available at https://refstack.openstack.org/api we will need to update the site right? | 19:59 |
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| sslypushenko_ | right | 19:59 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko_: ok that is good ... we will test it and plan for update this feature to the website in 2017. Is that OK? | 20:00 |
| sslypushenko_ | absolutely | 20:00 |
| sslypushenko_ | My goal is to remove pubkey signature during upload of new pubkey | 20:00 |
| sslypushenko_ | then site will need to be update | 20:00 |
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| catherineD | Thank you so much ... it was so stressful last Friday that I did not want to go thru that again in a short time :-) | 20:01 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko_: ++ totally agree. | 20:01 |
| catherineD | we are out of time ... | 20:01 |
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| catherineD | but we have discuss the Aligned RefStack with openstack-requirements (openstack/global-requirements) topic briefly | 20:02 |
| catherineD | let's discuss more next time | 20:02 |
| catherineD | well this is the last meeting of the year .. | 20:02 |
| catherineD | I want to THANK YOU all for your hardwork and contribution to the RefStack project ... | 20:03 |
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| catherineD | need to end the meeting now ... | 20:03 |
| catherineD | bye everyone | 20:03 |
| catherineD | #endmeeting | 20:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 13 20:03:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-12-13-19.00.html | 20:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-12-13-19.00.txt | 20:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-12-13-19.00.log.html | 20:03 |
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