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| rkukura | Hi ML2’ers! | 15:58 |
| yamamoto | hi | 15:58 |
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| Sukhdev | hello | 15:58 |
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| yamahata | hello | 15:59 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: are you here? | 16:00 |
| shivharis | hi | 16:00 |
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| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 8 16:01:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Agenda (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:01 | |
| Sukhdev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | Good morning folks | 16:01 |
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| amotoki | hi | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | I do not have any specific announcement on the agenda | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | does anybody have any announcement? | 16:02 |
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| shivharis | yes.. hold on | 16:03 |
| * Sukhdev waiting | 16:03 | |
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| shivharis | the last date for talks is 17th for submissions of talks | 16:03 |
| shivharis | am i right? | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: for Tokyo summit? | 16:03 |
| shivharis | yes | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: No it is 15th July | 16:04 |
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| shivharis | ok, it is fast approaching so best to remind folks | 16:04 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev, shivharis: RIght, email says the 15th | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | Good point shivharis - thanks for reminder | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | BTW, I am proposing one talk for the main session - | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | for design summit - we have lots of time | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: What’s your topic? | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: not finalized yet - but, it will be on the lines of Ironic/Neutron integration | 16:06 |
| shivharis | Arvind and I are proposing topology as a service | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: I was thinking of that for design session | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: I mean for design session for sure | 16:06 |
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| shivharis | actually the touch points of this is both in nova and neutron | 16:07 |
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| shivharis | i am getting Nova folks about this | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: you should do the same way as i did in last summit - present in design session for both projects | 16:08 |
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| shivharis | exactly - Arvind and I were thinking that way | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: yup - that will be a good idea | 16:08 |
| shivharis | but i dont want to lose the opportunity to do a talk in the general sessions | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: sure - you should try that too | 16:09 |
| asomya | sukhdev: The main track is to get a broader audience to present the scope of the project | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | asomya: correct - if you can get them to approve it | 16:10 |
| amotoki | and sometimes it helps developers understand it. | 16:10 |
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| Sukhdev | asomya: I think this will be good for both sessions | 16:10 |
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| shivharis | amotoki: agreed, design talks are a must for both Nova and Neutron | 16:10 |
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| asomya | Sukhdev: Agreed, maybe we can have both? | 16:10 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: +1 | 16:10 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis asomya: But, first you have to present it to us - here :-):-) | 16:11 |
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| shivharis | Sukhdev: +1 | 16:11 |
| shivharis | +2 | 16:11 |
| amotoki | shivharis: I am not sure what projects are related to your proposal. only nova and neutron? it is out of scope of this meeting though... | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | anyways, I have it on agenda for today's discussion - so, hold on to your seats :-) | 16:11 |
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| asomya | amotoki: The first iteration is a bit Neutron and nova focused, the scope can be expanded later to storage etc. as required | 16:12 |
| shivharis | asomya: +1 | 16:12 |
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| amotoki | asomya: thanks. I just feel so from the word "topology as a service". | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: why do think it out of scope - I think in Neutron, this is more applicable to ML2 drivers than anything else | 16:13 |
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| shivharis | Sukhdev: ML2 driver is a consumer | 16:13 |
| asomya | Sukhdev: Like amotoki said, it's a generic topology service that can be consumed by any other service .. neutron/ml2 is just one of them | 16:13 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: "out of scope of the meeting" is confusing... sorry, precisely speaking, the current topic is "announcement". | 16:13 |
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| amotoki | but topology as a service is not specific to ml2. | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: ah ha got it - yes, I have this topic on the agenda | 16:14 |
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| Sukhdev | speaking of that - lets get back on track to the agenda | 16:15 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Action Items | 16:15 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: was going to work with manishg to finalize the ML2 mid-cycle | 16:15 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: I think discussion is going via email with all those interested. | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | I noticed we have lots of discussion on this, but, we need to finalize the details and plan | 16:16 |
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| Sukhdev | I think we have all participants here - shall we finalize it here now? | 16:16 |
| manishg | and looks like next week is out. So likely dates are late Aug or early Sep (due to other conflicts and release schedules). | 16:16 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: sure | 16:16 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg: based upon the emails, it seems like early sept is best - | 16:17 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: sounds good to me. how about others? | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura made a good point that this will not go into liberty anyway - so, might be better to plan a bit better | 16:17 |
| rkukura | Early Sept works best for me at this point | 16:17 |
| manishg | week of Sep/7 will be a short week. | 16:18 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg: is that labor day week? | 16:18 |
| amotoki | feature freeze is the first week of Sep. | 16:18 |
| amotoki | isn't it too late? | 16:18 |
| amotoki | it's just a question | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: we are thinking that we will push it for M release - | 16:19 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: I think so. | 16:19 |
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| amotoki | got it. | 16:19 |
| shivharis | BTW if you are having issues of hosting, i can arrange taht | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | So, shall we do in the week after the labor day week? | 16:19 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: now we have three bids on the table - shall we start the bidding - I do not take less than $100 bills :-) | 16:20 |
| shivharis | $0 | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | just kidding :-) | 16:20 |
| shivharis | jk | 16:21 |
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| Sukhdev | who wants to take the action to finalize this - ie. who is hosting, where, when, etc….? | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: has already put together an ehterpad for this | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Neutron_ML2_Mid-Cycle_Sprint | 16:22 |
| shivharis | I just need a weeks headstart to arrange | 16:22 |
| shivharis | the venue | 16:22 |
| rkukura | Is everyone OK with early September in the Bay Area? | 16:22 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: yes | 16:22 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: you are third in the line - $500.00 brings on the top of the line :-) | 16:23 |
| rkukura | And the idea of doing the work on a branch, hopefully to merge in early M? | 16:23 |
| rkukura | I’ll update the etherpad to try to identify a week in early September | 16:24 |
| shivharis | rkukura: +1 | 16:24 |
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| rkukura | I’ll list each week and ask people to put their name with Y or N. | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: looks like you are volunteering for planing this | 16:24 |
| rkukura | yes | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | yay!!! - thanks rkukura - I will assign you an action | 16:25 |
| rkukura | I’d like to nail down the dates by next Wednesday’s meeting | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | #action: rkukura to coordinate with rest of the team to finalize the detailed plan for ML2 mid-cycle sprint | 16:25 |
| rkukura | So if you are interested in participating, please get your name onto the etherpad and we’ll include you in any emails. | 16:26 |
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| Sukhdev | anything else on this topic? | 16:26 |
| banix | so lets call it late-cycle. It is more accurate and defenitely more cool. | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I have possible one volunteer from Arista who might join as well - | 16:26 |
| rkukura | One last detail is which projects in addition to async will be worked on at the mid-cycle | 16:26 |
| shivharis | rkukura: actually put ur name as attending + interested and not attending | 16:26 |
| shivharis | split of ML2? | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: make sure banix is there to head the cheerleading staff | 16:27 |
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| rkukura | would be a good idea to move to a separate repo before branching if we are going to do that | 16:28 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: kidding aside you have a good point | 16:28 |
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| amotoki | "pre-cycle sprint for M**" rather than "mid-cycle" | 16:28 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: I was thinking stackforge - but, that may be too heavy handed | 16:28 |
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| rkukura | I think a feature branch in the same repo where ML2 lives would be fine. Any reason to do it in stackforge instead? | 16:29 |
| shivharis | github for sure maybe not stackforge | 16:29 |
| shivharis | rkukura: like ur idea | 16:29 |
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| rkukura | We want to be able to easily rebase the branch as other changes are merged | 16:29 |
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| Sukhdev | I only thought of stack forge so that this can be released as a package and anybody who wants to play with it can pull it from pypi | 16:30 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Worth considering. Lets get back to that at a future meeting | 16:31 |
| Sukhdev | but, I am OK either way - do not want to make it too heavy handed thought | 16:31 |
| shivharis | pypi can deal with branches, i think | 16:31 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: not sure - you may be right - may be worth looking into this | 16:32 |
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| Sukhdev | Any ways - lets move on | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: L2 modular agent | 16:32 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: want to give us the details - | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | banix: I mean update - | 16:33 |
| banix | Sukhdev: I haven’t made any progress; trying to consolidate wrt ungoing enhancement to the agents | 16:33 |
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| amotoki | I think "modular agent" has several aspects: | 16:35 |
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| amotoki | modularity for features | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | yamamoto - anything you want to share? | 16:35 |
| amotoki | modularify for backends | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: correct | 16:36 |
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| amotoki | re: the first point, ajo proposal is worth considered. | 16:36 |
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| yamamoto | Sukhdev: ? | 16:37 |
| yamamoto | Sukhdev: about modular agent? nothing from me | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | yamamoto: sounds good - | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | anything else on this topic? | 16:39 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Physical Topology Discussion | 16:39 |
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| amotoki | banix: could you update the progress in bug 1468803? | 16:39 |
| openstack | bug 1468803 in neutron "Modular L2 Agent" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1468803 | 16:39 |
| amotoki | or it there any place to see? | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | #undo | 16:40 |
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| banix | amotoki: will do | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | banix amotoki : thanks | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Physical Topology Discussion | 16:41 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis asomya: Folks want to give us some update? | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | got any link to share? about your work so far? | 16:41 |
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| shivharis | We are in the process of refining the design | 16:41 |
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| shivharis | we are discussing this with folks in Nova | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: care to share what ever you have? | 16:42 |
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| shivharis | as discussed earlier it will have touch points in both nova and neutron | 16:42 |
| shivharis | possibly cinder as we go forward | 16:42 |
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| amotoki | shivharis: is it realted to scheduler or more? | 16:43 |
| shivharis | we will share it in the next week or two and possibly at the early M meeting we are planning | 16:43 |
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| shivharis | amotoki: right | 16:43 |
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| shivharis | the input to db model will be getting info of the host ids from nova | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis asomya: I am a bit lost here about this service | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis asomya : Are you actually doing any work to tie it with any of these projects or just a white paper? | 16:44 |
| shivharis | we will present the entire picture in the pre-M meeting we are planning | 16:45 |
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| asomya | Sukhdev: A high level overview, it's a generic topology manager that can store and retrieve topology, anything can ask or store topolgy via the API | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | asomya shivharis: there is a prior work done on this topic by issaku - which was presented in Atlanta summit - have you seen it? | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | is it on the same lines? | 16:45 |
| yamahata | Sukhdev: asomya what first primary use case do you have in mind? | 16:45 |
| shivharis | currently it will be nova and neutron - the design will not exclude cinder | 16:45 |
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| asomya | yamahata: The primary use case is Neutron and nova | 16:46 |
| yamahata | s/Sukhdev/ shivharis / | 16:46 |
| yamahata | asomya: VM scheduling? | 16:46 |
| shivharis | at a high level there are discovery agents feeding the topology discoverd to a consolidator | 16:47 |
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| asomya | yamahata: Getting hardware information required by driver and plugins to configure the physical fabric | 16:47 |
| amotoki | i think yamahata is asking what is the main target as a high-level goal. what can it achieve? | 16:47 |
| shivharis | the consolidator will expose an API that can be queried by any project | 16:47 |
| yamahata | asomya: then your first goal is to abstract fabric management? | 16:48 |
| yamahata | amotoki: exactly. thanks for explanation. | 16:48 |
| shivharis | the main target at a high level to begin with with will be neutron or ML2 | 16:48 |
| asomya | yamahata: expose it rather than abstract it | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis asomya : Are you working on a POC, along with a use case, for this or it is just white paper? | 16:50 |
| shivharis | POC is underway | 16:50 |
| amotoki | i think what asomya means is to export it in a unified/general way | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: good | 16:50 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis asomya: So, this leads me to the next question - we were planning on working on this during mid-cyle (or late-cyle or pre-cycle) sprint - | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | Do we still need to put on the agenda for the sprint - | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | without having much information about it, it may be hard to dive into the implementation - | 16:52 |
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| asomya | Sukhdev: This is outside of Neutron, development is independent. we can talk a bit about API refinement etc in the late-cycle | 16:52 |
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| Sukhdev | asomya: so, this is not really targeted to be implemented in the sprint then, right? just for the discussion - am I getting it right? | 16:54 |
| asomya | Sukhdev: correct | 16:54 |
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| Sukhdev | asomya: thanks - this clears my confusion | 16:54 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: so, you can update the etherpad accordingly so that people have right expoctation | 16:55 |
| rkukura | ok | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | anything else on this topic? | 16:55 |
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| Sukhdev | asomya shivharis: Thanks | 16:55 |
| banix | does this relate to metering monitoring efforts? | 16:55 |
| banix | already being undertaken | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | banix: no | 16:56 |
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| banix | I mean there are coceptually similar | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | banix: I do not think so | 16:56 |
| banix | s/there/they/ | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | banix: I would say - metering will query information from the known components - physical topology will discover components | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | banix: for a lack of better words | 16:57 |
| banix | Sukhdev: i see. thanks. | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | physical topology helps you discover how your DC topology looks like so that you can make placement decisions | 16:58 |
| Sukhdev | once the VMs are placed, then metering kicks in to monitor how they are performing | 16:58 |
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| shivharis | time check, 2 mins | 16:58 |
| Sukhdev | banix: hope this helps | 16:58 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: thanks | 16:59 |
| banix | well, i have to learn more about the proposed project; i see convergence with discovery/monitoring of virtual resources…. but i am probably off the tracks | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Ironic Discussion | 16:59 |
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| Sukhdev | I will be short and sweet - | 16:59 |
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| amotoki | banix: perhaps it is about network topolgy about virtual reosurces, ie tenants. | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | For those who do not know - there is a lot of work going on in the Ironic/ML2/Neutron integratipon | 16:59 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: what’s the best way of tracking that work/ learn about them | 17:00 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev is making great work. | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | since we are out of time - let me post the link so that you can discover/read on your own | 17:00 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron | 17:00 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: thanks | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | banix: the meetings take place every monday at 9am (PT) at #openstack-meeting-4 - please come join us | 17:01 |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki is one of the active reviewer of the work being done there | 17:01 |
| banix | Sukhdev: will try to attend | 17:02 |
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| Sukhdev | The idea is that ML2 drivers should be able to deal with VMs as well bare metal deployments | 17:02 |
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| Sukhdev | we are out of time folks | 17:02 |
| Sukhdev | thanks for attending the meeting | 17:02 |
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| Sukhdev | have a wonderful day | 17:02 |
| banix | bye | 17:02 |
| yamamoto | bye | 17:02 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 17:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 8 17:02:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-07-08-16.01.html | 17:03 |
| shivharis | thanks folk, bye | 17:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-07-08-16.01.txt | 17:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-07-08-16.01.log.html | 17:03 |
| amotoki | it seems no next meeting... bye | 17:03 |
| rkukura | bye | 17:03 |
| timsim | #startmeeting designate | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 8 17:03:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is timsim. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:03 |
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| timsim | #topic Action Items from last week | 17:03 |
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| timsim | kiall Really do the DB rework write up.. | 17:03 |
| Kiall | Ehh - I've not yet :( | 17:04 |
| timsim | Oh yeah. Who's here? | 17:04 |
| ducttape_ | o/ | 17:04 |
| timsim | alright... | 17:04 |
| johnbelamaric | o/ - sorry i have been AWOL for a few weeks | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | mugsie / federico3 / ekarlso about? | 17:04 |
| ekarlso | yello | 17:04 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:04 |
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| timsim | vinod1 pglass elarson jmcbride | 17:05 |
| federico3 | o/ | 17:05 |
| pglass | o/ | 17:05 |
| Kiall | and - there's my doorbell - plumber. be back as soon as I can. | 17:05 |
| vinod1 | o/ | 17:05 |
| timsim | alright... | 17:05 |
| timsim | #action kiall Really do the DB rework write up.. | 17:05 |
| Kiall | wow - full house... | 17:05 |
| timsim | put mid-cycle on next week agenda... | 17:05 |
| timsim | mugsie did that. | 17:05 |
| mugsie | i didnt - but someone put my name on it ;) | 17:06 |
| timsim | lol. | 17:06 |
| timsim | #topic Bug Triage | 17:06 |
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| timsim | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1471161 | 17:07 |
| openstack | timsim: Error: malone bug 1471161 not found | 17:07 |
| mugsie | timsim: that is a private securty bug | 17:07 |
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| timsim | Ah yeah, I suppose not everyone can see that... | 17:08 |
| mugsie | there is potential for a serious DOS with it | 17:08 |
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| timsim | High L2? | 17:08 |
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| mugsie | yeah | 17:09 |
| timsim | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1471915 | 17:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1471915 in Designate "record create / update buttons are not friendly" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Eric Peterson (ericpeterson-l) | 17:09 |
| mugsie | low, l2 | 17:10 |
| timsim | agreed | 17:10 |
| Kiall | Should be closed - https://github.com/openstack/designate-dashboard/commit/71465fd3d85fec4afceef5f487e07d41ee335e77 | 17:10 |
| Kiall | Fix Comitted i mean | 17:10 |
| ducttape_ | yep | 17:10 |
| Kiall | (back BTW - until I'm called away again) | 17:10 |
| timsim | Alright, cool. | 17:10 |
| timsim | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1472065 | 17:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1472065 in Designate "Outdated doc for Kilo about configuring powerdns backend" [Undecided,New] | 17:10 |
| mugsie | med, l2 | 17:11 |
| mugsie | and on the kilo branch | 17:11 |
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| timsim | Is there a way to target the kilo branch? | 17:12 |
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| Kiall | Yep - "Target to series" | 17:13 |
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| timsim | cool. | 17:13 |
| timsim | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/1469992 | 17:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1469992 in python-designateclient "--os-endpoint is not working in python designate client" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Pradeep Kumar Singh (pradeep-singh-u) | 17:14 |
| Kiall | Ah - don't target to current release BTW ;) Theirry's release tools break (or don't deal with it? or something) | 17:14 |
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| Kiall | Med, since it's come up a few times - pksingh is pretty good about providing fixes quickly | 17:15 |
| mugsie | ++ | 17:15 |
| timsim | Alright. That's it. | 17:15 |
| timsim | #topic Stable Backport Triage | 17:15 |
| timsim | Kiall - over to you | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | Going to do the last 7 days - of changes, since otherwise it's too long a list to review quickly. http://paste.openstack.org/show/355798/ | 17:16 |
| Kiall | Can we quickly review them, anything that looks backport worthy, pick someone to make it happen | 17:17 |
| mugsie | top 2 are backport worthy | 17:17 |
| Kiall | abb30cf Error message for database config | 17:18 |
| Kiall | 703a3f4 Correct 'DESIGNATE_SQL_DEBUG' export behaviour | 17:18 |
| Kiall | 69c822d Ensure validations account for trailing newlines (backport in progress) | 17:18 |
| Kiall | ^ includes mugsie's "top two" | 17:18 |
| mugsie | i can do the first 2 | 17:18 |
| Kiall | The last one is another sec issue report by RedHat | 17:18 |
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| timsim | Agreed on those. | 17:18 |
| Kiall | Thanks mugsie | 17:18 |
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| Kiall | Any others? Most are py3 changes | 17:19 |
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| timsim | Doesn't look like it to me. | 17:19 |
| mugsie | nope - thats it | 17:19 |
| timsim | Alright, moving on... | 17:19 |
| Kiall | Okay, simples! Keep an eye out for the reviews, they don't ping the IRC channel, or show on the dashboard mugsie created | 17:19 |
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| timsim | #topic OpenStack Summit - Tokyo Talks (timsim) | 17:20 |
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| mugsie | haha | 17:20 |
| mugsie | we have 2 days | 17:20 |
| timsim | i think it's next Wenesday | 17:20 |
| timsim | "CURRENTLY ACCEPTING PRESENTATION SUBMISSIONS UNTIL JULY 15th, 2015, 11:59 PM PDT" | 17:20 |
| mlavalle | mugsie: yeah, deadline is 15th | 17:20 |
| Kiall | FYI - myself, carl_baldwin and mlavalle have a Designate+Neutron talk proposed .. | 17:20 |
| mlavalle | Kiall: + Nova | 17:21 |
| timsim | Nice! | 17:21 |
| Kiall | :) | 17:21 |
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| timsim | So we should do a hangout/separate meeting to talk about what we'd like to propose sometime this week, and write up some abstracts to be submitted right after next weeks meet or something like that. | 17:21 |
| Kiall | Anyone else planning to submit? | 17:21 |
| carl_baldwin | Kiall: I need to get that proposed today. Thanks for the reminder. I did get HP approval to submit it yesterday. | 17:21 |
| mugsie | timsim: ++ | 17:22 |
| Kiall | carl_baldwin: awesome :) I always skipped that step ;) | 17:22 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: +1 | 17:22 |
| carl_baldwin | Kiall: Kind of an important step. ;) | 17:22 |
| mugsie | who is reasonably certain they can get to tokyo? | 17:22 |
| Kiall | o/ | 17:22 |
| timsim | o~ probably :P | 17:22 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:22 |
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| federico3 | o_ | 17:23 |
| johnbelamaric | maybe... | 17:23 |
| mugsie | right - anyone who is interested in discussing talks this week send me an email to graham.hayes@hp.com | 17:23 |
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| mugsie | I will set up a hangout for tomrrow / friday? | 17:24 |
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| mugsie | that suit? - gives time for stuff to be wrtten over the weekend | 17:24 |
| timsim | Sounds good, anytime works for me. | 17:24 |
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| mugsie | so 9:00 UTC tomrrow ? :p | 17:24 |
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| * mugsie doubts I could even make that | 17:24 | |
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| timsim | :P smartass | 17:25 |
| timsim | I'd get up just for you | 17:25 |
| timsim | #action everyone send mugsie an email if you want to be in the talk planning session | 17:25 |
| mugsie | I think a new workshop where me and timsim give out about Kiall's keyboard is a good one | 17:26 |
| timsim | Definitely | 17:26 |
| Kiall | You already did that last time! | 17:26 |
| timsim | And then another one where Kiall has to use my Macbook | 17:26 |
| mugsie | and it went well | 17:26 |
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| mugsie | if we had used a quality piece of HP hardware there would have been no issue ;P | 17:26 |
| Kiall | Moving on! | 17:26 |
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| timsim | #topic Liberty Mid-Cycle (mugsie) | 17:26 |
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| Kiall | brb - plumber again. | 17:27 |
| mugsie | well, kinda back to you timsim / joe | 17:27 |
| timsim | I wish jmcbride was here...I don't have any update from him on this. | 17:27 |
| mugsie | :) | 17:27 |
| timsim | No clue why you're on there lol | 17:27 |
| mugsie | yeah :) | 17:27 |
| timsim | #action timsim to find out what's up with midcycle from jmcbride before next week | 17:27 |
| timsim | #topic Open Discussion | 17:28 |
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| mugsie | yeah - we have a kind of long lead time for booking transatlantic travel | 17:28 |
| timsim | I'll definitely get something for you next week | 17:28 |
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| timsim | We can just do it at my apartment ;) | 17:28 |
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| mugsie | oh - :) | 17:29 |
| mlavalle | timsim: I wanted to update the team on the Neutron integration front | 17:29 |
| timsim | mlavalle: please do! | 17:29 |
| mlavalle | timsim: I got this spec approved yesterday https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88624/ | 17:30 |
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| mugsie | sweet | 17:30 |
| timsim | Awesome | 17:30 |
| mlavalle | on the internal dns integration with nova, I am coding the neutron server side with excellent progress | 17:31 |
| vinod1 | I'll be resigning from my core position as I am moving out of Rackspace/Designate Team | 17:31 |
| mlavalle | I should be done today with the neutron server piece and tomorrow I will finish the du=hcp agent side | 17:31 |
| mugsie | mlavalle: that sounds like good progress | 17:31 |
| timsim | good stuff mlavalle | 17:32 |
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| mugsie | vinod1: that sad to hear - it was good working with you | 17:32 |
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| mlavalle | and friday i'll start coding for the spec mentioned above | 17:32 |
| timsim | vinod1: :'( | 17:32 |
| mlavalle | that's all i have | 17:32 |
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| mugsie | mlavalle: cool. you know where we are if you need anything | 17:32 |
| mlavalle | yeap, I connect to that room automatically | 17:32 |
| mugsie | vinod1: when are you off? | 17:32 |
| vinod1 | This Friday | 17:33 |
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| mlavalle | vinod1: on the bright side, welcome new Racker! | 17:33 |
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| timsim | He's leaving Rackspace ;) booo former racker | 17:34 |
| mlavalle | ohhh I misunderstood | 17:34 |
| mlavalle | :-( | 17:34 |
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| timsim | Does anyone have anything else they'd like to talk about? I suppose we should give Kiall a minute | 17:35 |
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| mugsie | I have one thing up for review - https://review.openstack.org/190200 | 17:35 |
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| mugsie | makes pep8 / flask8 results much easier to read | 17:35 |
| mugsie | flake8 * | 17:35 |
| timsim | Nice, will check it out. | 17:35 |
| mugsie | it also puts out some html, but that is not being backed up yet | 17:36 |
| timsim | I've got a couple that seem to have been buried. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170612/ | 17:36 |
| timsim | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188189/ | 17:36 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:37 |
| timsim | If anyone wants to look at those, it'd be swell. | 17:37 |
| * mugsie adds them to the todo list | 17:37 | |
| timsim | Alright. Anyone else have anything? | 17:38 |
| timsim | Going once.... | 17:38 |
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| timsim | twice... | 17:38 |
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| timsim | Thanks vinod1 for all of your contributions :) | 17:39 |
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| mugsie | 100% | 17:39 |
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| timsim | I expect 30 more reviews by friday ;) | 17:39 |
| mugsie | :) | 17:39 |
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| mugsie | get the use out that -2 :D | 17:39 |
| timsim | Probably on all my changes :P | 17:40 |
| timsim | #endmeeting | 17:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 8 17:40:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-07-08-17.03.html | 17:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-07-08-17.03.txt | 17:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-07-08-17.03.log.html | 17:40 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 17:58 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 8 17:58:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:58 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 17:58 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 17:58 |
| SlickNik | It's still a couple of minutes to the hour, so giving folks a few more minutes to trickle in | 17:58 |
| SlickNik | The agenda for the meeting is at: | 17:59 |
| edmondk | o/ | 17:59 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 17:59 |
| cp16net | heyo | 17:59 |
| dloi_ | o/ | 17:59 |
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| pmalik | o? | 18:00 |
| cp16net | lolz thats a head scratcher | 18:00 |
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| SlickNik | hah, okay — let's get started. | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Trove pulse update | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update | 18:01 |
| vgnbkr | ol | 18:01 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 18:01 |
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| sushilkm | hello everyone | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | Fewer reviews this week (sort of expected given the long weekend, and holiday in Canada). | 18:02 |
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| SlickNik | Thanks for reviews for those who were able to take the time to do that. | 18:03 |
| edmondk | Is the trove pulse update not loading for anyone else or is it just me? | 18:03 |
| cp16net | worked for me | 18:03 |
| sushilkm | i am able to see that | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | But I think we need to step them up to keep the momentum going. | 18:03 |
| edmondk | just stuck on loading screen for me | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | working for me. | 18:03 |
| cp16net | edmondk: try in a different browser | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | edmondk: Ctrl + Shift + R | 18:04 |
| edmondk | safari worked | 18:04 |
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| cp16net | might need to clear the caches for chrome | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | (or command + shift + R on a mac) | 18:04 |
| cp16net | i had a similar problem and deleted the user/chrome/cache dir and it started worked | 18:05 |
| cp16net | working* | 18:05 |
| edmondk | all good we can continue :) | 18:05 |
| SlickNik | Okay, getting back on topic :P | 18:05 |
| peterstac | works for me | 18:05 |
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| SlickNik | Let's do more reviews this week to ensure that we're not falling behind with our momentum. | 18:05 |
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| cp16net | holiday is over | 18:06 |
| amrith | ./ | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | And keep an eye out for that review count to ensure it's closer to the average next week. :) | 18:06 |
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| SlickNik | Okay, that's all I had on this — any other comments / concerns regarding this? | 18:07 |
| sushilkm | vacations might have taken its toll on reviews | 18:07 |
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| sushilkm | it shud be better next week, i guess | 18:08 |
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| SlickNik | sushilkm: ++ | 18:08 |
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| SlickNik | okay, let's move on. | 18:08 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Add root-disable api | 18:08 |
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| amrith | may I paste-bomb? | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189837/ | 18:09 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: sure | 18:09 |
| amrith | The issue with 'root-enabled' (the flag) is that in reality it means, "a root user was enabled on this instance at some time, or on some instance that was used to generate a backup and then subsequently launch this instance". | 18:09 |
| amrith | Today, without the root-disable feature, one can follow these steps. | 18:09 |
| amrith | 1. create an instance | 18:09 |
| amrith | 2. enable root | 18:09 |
| amrith | 3. login as root | 18:09 |
| amrith | 4. create a new user and grant that user all privileges | 18:09 |
| amrith | 5. delete the root user | 18:09 |
| amrith | 6. backup the instance | 18:09 |
| amrith | 7. launch a new instance | 18:09 |
| amrith | The new instance would indicate root-enabled is false. | 18:09 |
| amrith | A peculiarity in how ACL's are controlled on MySQL further means that I can ... | 18:09 |
| amrith | 1. create an instance | 18:09 |
| amrith | 2. enable root | 18:09 |
| amrith | 3. login as root | 18:09 |
| amrith | 4. create a new user and grant that user all privileges | 18:09 |
| amrith | 5. do some nefarious thing as either new user or root user | 18:09 |
| amrith | 6. login as the new user (session A) | 18:10 |
| amrith | 7. login as the root user (session B) | 18:10 |
| amrith | 8. on session A, drop root user | 18:10 |
| amrith | 9. backup the database | 18:10 |
| amrith | What we need (I think) is a mechanism that will attach the root-enabled status on an instance to the backup and restore that state when a backup is restored. After posting comments in the review, I was writing a BP to propose this and was going to submit code once the BP (approach) was agreed to. But I got scooped ;( | 18:10 |
| amrith | FWIW, I believe that the fix in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199635/ doesn't solve the issue. | 18:11 |
| * SlickNik reads paste bomb | 18:11 | |
| edmondk | lol | 18:12 |
| cp16net | so my first thought is that we know what instance the backup came from and should be able to tell if that instance had root enabled in the past and mark the new instance with root enabled. | 18:12 |
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| amrith | cp16net, can't be sure that the instance still exists | 18:12 |
| cp16net | that sounds like it would resolve the issue right? | 18:12 |
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| cp16net | but we keep track of that in the database right? | 18:12 |
| amrith | I could extend this to say take a backup, delete the old instance, ... | 18:12 |
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| amrith | no guarantee that we will keep track of deleted instances forever. | 18:13 |
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| amrith | that's an admin cleanup thing | 18:13 |
| amrith | we should (I believe) persist the root enabled state into the backup | 18:13 |
| amrith | or as you say store it in the database | 18:13 |
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| SlickNik | amrith / craig: that's a possibility. Another option would be to mark this in the metadata, so that we can set the root-enabled flag when we do the restore based on the backup metadata. | 18:13 |
| amrith | with the backup | 18:13 |
| peterstac | we'd need to store the root-enabled in the backup table as well | 18:13 |
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| amrith | so extend the schema for the backup list | 18:13 |
| amrith | and store root enabled there | 18:13 |
| amrith | peterstac ++ | 18:14 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: backups already have a metadata field in the table, if I'm recalling correctly. | 18:14 |
| peterstac | SlickNik, yes, that would work too, as long as the user can't muck with the swift meta-data | 18:14 |
| amrith | FWIW, the reason I suggest that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199635/ does little is that we can extend my second repro to have session A delete root user and session B delete the new user. | 18:14 |
| amrith | peterstac, HUH? | 18:15 |
| amrith | you are suggesting that the one doing trove create is also going to mess with the metadata? | 18:15 |
| amrith | well, we can't prevent against that. | 18:16 |
| cp16net | we have a root_enabled_history table for every instance that root was enabled on | 18:16 |
| amrith | no matter where you store the data (unless you run with the modified remote.py ;)), the person running trove create can muck with it. | 18:16 |
| pmalik | cp16net ++ | 18:16 |
| cp16net | if we look at that table and find it (even if the instance was deleted) we know | 18:16 |
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| cp16net | i verified that enabling root and backing up an instance and creating a new one still shows the instance as root enabled | 18:17 |
| peterstac | cp16net, yes | 18:17 |
| cp16net | i deleted all the root users and ran a backup | 18:17 |
| cp16net | and it failed because no root user was available | 18:17 |
| pmalik | cp16net we could also keep track of when and who enabled/disabled the root access. It would also make it datastore agnostic. | 18:17 |
| cp16net | umm its sorta like that | 18:18 |
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| cp16net | root_enabled_history has id(instance) user(user id) created(time it was enabled) | 18:18 |
| peterstac | I verified that if you create a new user (with super-user privileges) and then delete the root user, the new instance created from the backup will show as root-enabled=false, even though you can still log in as the super-user | 18:18 |
| amrith | so SlickNik ... procedurally, do we want to spend the meeting finding the solution, or do we want to propose that someone (I volunteer) write up a BP for this and then we review it that way | 18:18 |
| cp16net | it doesnt care about datastore | 18:18 |
| sushilkm | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199635/ helps eradicating the problem as it finds any user with access more than USAGE created for anyone except localhost | 18:18 |
| peterstac | (^^^ with Duk) | 18:19 |
| sushilkm | which could only be created using a root-access | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | So — here's where we are at. | 18:19 |
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| peterstac | sushilkm, that's very mysql-specific though | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | We've identified a hole that exists with this, and want to plug it. | 18:19 |
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| SlickNik | And we've also identified customers and users who want a root-disabled API. | 18:19 |
| pmalik | 22cp16net: Well, but it should help us to avoid having to mess with datastore (mysql-specific) stuff on the GA as we have to do now... | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | We're acknowledging that we have a security issue here (existing, and possibly easier to find with the root-disable API). | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | Let's open up a bug to fix the issue and discuss the design of how we're going to fix it as part of that bugfix. | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | And we can unblock work on blueprint of adding the "root-disable" API. | 18:22 |
| peterstac | SlickNik, sounds good | 18:22 |
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| cp16net | yeah i think there was some great convos that came out of the root-disable API | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | It would be good to get both of these to land in Liberty, but I don't see why both need to land as part of the same blueprint. | 18:23 |
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| SlickNik | <end of transmission> | 18:23 |
| amrith | SlickNik, ++ | 18:23 |
| cp16net | #agreed | 18:23 |
| amrith | Happy to volunteer to land the code for this proposal (have some of it going, duk and co have framework to test it in) | 18:23 |
| amrith | I appreciate the unblocking of the disable root BP. and agree that it would be advisable for both to land in liberty | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | Okay, sounds good to me. | 18:24 |
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| SlickNik | I think we have a good plan going forward. | 18:24 |
| amrith | in a way that the latter can be back ported if required. <EOF> | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | I'll update the spec with this info immediately after this meeting. | 18:24 |
| amrith | thx | 18:25 |
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| SlickNik | And open a bug for the issue we've identified so that we can continue discussion on that front.. | 18:25 |
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| SlickNik | #action SlickNik to open a bug for the root-enable security hole on restore. | 18:25 |
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| SlickNik | #action SlickNik update root-disable BP with plan of action from meeting. | 18:26 |
| SlickNik | Moving on. | 18:27 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Trove-compatible images creation automation | 18:27 |
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| SlickNik | recalling the conversation from last week. | 18:28 |
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| SlickNik | vkmc was going to split out the image-elements from trove-integration to a new repo. | 18:29 |
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| amrith | ./ | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | And come up with a script to build guest images independently of running redstack. | 18:30 |
| vkmc | indeed, something like what Sahara is doing with their images | 18:30 |
| vkmc | https://github.com/openstack/sahara-image-elements | 18:31 |
| amrith | I don't understand the solution/problem | 18:31 |
| amrith | we have elements | 18:31 |
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| SlickNik | Once this was done, the next step would be to refactor redstack to simply pull in and use this repo and use this script so that the image building wouldn't have live solely in redstack. | 18:31 |
| amrith | we can put (in trove-integration) a script to build images | 18:31 |
| amrith | heck, you can run redstack build-image | 18:31 |
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| amrith | or you can use the command in the dev-doc that we have. | 18:31 |
| amrith | so I'm not sure how a new repo improves the situation. | 18:32 |
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| vkmc | so, IMO the problem with trove-integration right now is that in order to create images for trove, you need to get the whole script for trove-integration | 18:32 |
| amrith | sorry, what does "whole script for trove-integration" mean? | 18:32 |
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| vkmc | plus, trove-integration is usually considered to be useful to deploy development environments, not real deployments | 18:33 |
| vkmc | with that I mean, development environment setup script, image creation script and integration tests | 18:33 |
| vkmc | all in one | 18:33 |
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| vkmc | when maybe you only want a way to create images, to use in your production environment | 18:34 |
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| vkmc | we already have the docs amrith write for that, but certainly is not enough | 18:35 |
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| vkmc | we always get people in -trove asking things related to the image building | 18:35 |
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| vkmc | and that's pretty much it | 18:36 |
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| amrith | ./ | 18:36 |
| amrith | so, a couple of things | 18:36 |
| amrith | do you think the issue is that trove-integration is hard for people to use | 18:36 |
| amrith | is it that http://docs.openstack.org/developer/trove/dev/building_guest_images.html is hard to read? | 18:36 |
| amrith | is it that trove should offer production scripts? | 18:36 |
| amrith | is it that trove should offer production elements? | 18:36 |
| amrith | is it that we need better documentation? | 18:36 |
| amrith | unfortunately, to none of those do I think the answer is "new project/repository" | 18:37 |
| tosky | amrith: why do you need a lot of variables related to redstack but not needed for image creation? | 18:37 |
| amrith | so I must be missing the question (I think) | 18:37 |
| vkmc | is it that when users ask how to create their images, a vital part on trove, they don't have a place to go | 18:37 |
| vkmc | they have the docs, yes... but still they find issues | 18:37 |
| tosky | amrith: please note that a separate repository dedicated to image creation is something already successfully used elsewhere (Sahara) | 18:37 |
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| amrith | ok vkmc, I agree that there's an opportunity to improve the docs; we spoke about doing a presentation about that at summit | 18:38 |
| amrith | and should try again for Tokyo. | 18:38 |
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| vkmc | whereas the docs cover the major part, they don't cover things specific to the different distributions | 18:38 |
| amrith | and write better docs, and help people learn how to write elements. | 18:38 |
| SlickNik | amrith / vkmc: I can also understand an argument made for separation of concern. Right now our image-creation is tightly coupled with our development environments (e.g. passing of env variables regarding where the source code lives on the devstack box, etc.). If we want the elements to be reusable in a manner that lets users create images that they can use, it makes sense to decouple this further. | 18:38 |
| amrith | tosky, what variables? I don't get what you are saying. | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | It would be nice to refactor this so that the dev-stuff is done in a separate element that gets mixed in only for redstack. | 18:39 |
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| vkmc | so... if for a customer to use trove requires this customer to write their own elements | 18:39 |
| vkmc | then I think we might face an adoption issue | 18:39 |
| amrith | SlickNik, you raise a great question, which is probably masked by this solution; should Trove be in the business of offering production elements. | 18:39 |
| amrith | I don't profess to have an answer; the quesiton however is the one at hand | 18:39 |
| tosky | amrith: | 18:40 |
| tosky | export HOST_USERNAME | 18:40 |
| tosky | export HOST_SCP_USERNAME | 18:40 |
| tosky | amrith: etc etc etc | 18:40 |
| amrith | you don't have to export all of those things if you don't want to. redstack build-image will do it for you. | 18:40 |
| amrith | the reason you have to set them is because the elements need them. | 18:40 |
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| amrith | if you don't want to, you can write a wrapper around dib. | 18:41 |
| saurabhs | I think we can seperate it by saying trove-image-elements hosts standard elements for installing datastore specific stuff and trove integration provides elements specific for dev environment | 18:41 |
| saurabhs | that way people will be less confused | 18:41 |
| tosky | amrith: the element that vkmc prepared don't need them, and I'm sure REDSTACK_SCRIPTS is not needed by dib | 18:41 |
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| amrith | so great ... are we suggesting that trove should 'support' production ready elements? | 18:41 |
| vgnbkr | Ultimately, don't the user's operators need access to the nova instances? How would trove supplied "production elements" support that? | 18:42 |
| saurabhs | I don't think trove should support production ready elements | 18:42 |
| amrith | vgnbkr ++ | 18:42 |
| tosky | we are suggesting to have a way to easily build production ready images, with clean elements | 18:42 |
| tosky | again, this is something which is working fine in Sahara | 18:42 |
| vkmc | vgnbkr, not sure what you meant | 18:42 |
| amrith | how many different 'databases' does Sahara support? | 18:42 |
| saurabhs | trove should provide elements that will allow somebody to install datastore sepcific packages but not put dev burden on them | 18:43 |
| vgnbkr | vkmc, if something breaks in the nova instance underneath the trove instance, how would the operator fix it? | 18:43 |
| vkmc | saurabhs, that's exactly my point | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | vgnbkr: I don't think the suggestion is that you supply _all_ the elements for a production image. If I understand the suggestion correctly, you'd be supplying most of them which an operator can extend on top of. | 18:43 |
| vkmc | vgnbkr, we are not aiming to solve that | 18:43 |
| amrith | to all ... I would like to just point out that a solution was proposed, and today we're still having a somewhat challenging time stating what the problem is. | 18:43 |
| saurabhs | by moving datastore specific elements to a different repo we will decouple elements for dev and real use | 18:44 |
| saurabhs | for building production grade images people will still need other stuff on their images | 18:44 |
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| peterstac | saurabhs, by real use, you mean 'production-ready' ? | 18:44 |
| SlickNik | vgnbkr: Today, the elements are coupled with the dev-env, so you'd have to rewrite them if you wanted to build on top of some of those pieces for a non-development image. | 18:44 |
| vkmc | amrith, not really, I think the problem is clear: we don't have a clear, automatic way to create images | 18:44 |
| amrith | saurabhs, suppose I propose a change to trove and it breaks one of those "production elements" then who gets to fix it? | 18:44 |
| amrith | vkmc, we have a clear way to create redstack images. we have NO way to generate production images. | 18:45 |
| saurabhs | amrith: who ever broke it :) | 18:45 |
| tosky | amrith: Sahara regularly tests the elements producing images; the solution is... testing, of course | 18:45 |
| amrith | so saurabhs that means Trove just expanded. | 18:45 |
| saurabhs | I am not suggesting that we make a copy of current image lements | 18:45 |
| amrith | tosky, the answer to my question was "1". There is one database you support. Trove today supports close to a dozen. | 18:45 |
| saurabhs | I am saying strategically move datastore specific stuff out to a seperate repo | 18:45 |
| saurabhs | and keep dev specific elements in trove integration | 18:46 |
| vgnbkr | Seems to me that if the user can figure out all the other things they will need to do on top of production versions of the few images we provide, making the production versions would be trivial. | 18:46 |
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| saurabhs | and when building elements for dev env we will combine elements from both | 18:46 |
| amrith | oh, great, so saurabhs is proposing splitting the trove repository into datastore specific ones ;) | 18:46 |
| saurabhs | amrith: not sure where I said that :) | 18:46 |
| tosky | amrith: Sahara supports 4 plugins, two different version of Hadoop for each of them, on multiple distributions | 18:46 |
| amrith | saurabhs, "strategically move datastore specific stuff out to a seperate repo" ;) | 18:47 |
| saurabhs | yeh but not per datastore :) | 18:47 |
| vgnbkr | Why doesn't someone just make a SourceForge project for whatever database they want to support. Then there could be different types of "production images" for different types of deployments. | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | in total we're publishing more than dozen of images generated by sahara-image-elements script | 18:47 |
| amrith | saurabhs, you can buy me a beer when we meet ... | 18:47 |
| saurabhs | I am saying lets move elements which install/configure datastore (all the datastore) into a seperate repo that way its useful for building images for more than dev envs | 18:48 |
| vkmc | saurabhs, and once again, that is what I wanted to mean | 18:48 |
| saurabhs | let trove integration have elements that allow things like rsync | 18:48 |
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| saurabhs | vkmc: then we both agree | 18:48 |
| vkmc | saurabhs++ | 18:49 |
| amrith | I'm fine with this as long as a trove developer isn't on the hook to make sure that changes are made and tested in this 'production ready trove CI'. that will do doubt follow. | 18:49 |
| vgnbkr | We already decided not to split the guest agent into a separate repo because of gerritt issues - why would we do so for datastore images? | 18:49 |
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| saurabhs | amrtith: today if a dev breaks mongodb element who is suppose to fix it? I think responsibility will be same when we move to a different repo | 18:49 |
| amrith | no, but the current elements are development only. | 18:50 |
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| amrith | and therefore the bar is lower. | 18:50 |
| SlickNik | vgnbkr: The issue there was python packaging and circular dependencies. In this case dib-elements don't pose an issue (the way sahara does image elements today shows that this is a viable approach). | 18:50 |
| dougshelley66 | saurabhs, today the only elements that gate are mysql 5.6 on ubuntu | 18:50 |
| saurabhs | :) we want people to use trove or not or use it only for development purposes. | 18:50 |
| amrith | saurabhs, people do use trove | 18:51 |
| amrith | and people do build elements and images | 18:51 |
| amrith | I just want to know where we draw the line on the responsibility of the trove developer | 18:51 |
| amrith | if you stand up a new repo and you have a bunch of differen tproduction ready elements there | 18:51 |
| tosky | amrith: so how the real world testing is done, if only dev images are tested? | 18:51 |
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| amrith | is it the trove developers responsibility to keep them updated | 18:51 |
| SlickNik | amrith / saurabhs: FWIW (anecdotal evidence alert) I've had multiple conversations with folks whose top problem is that building trove images is too hard given the current process. | 18:52 |
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| amrith | SlickNik, I agree | 18:52 |
| amrith | but I don't know how this proposed solution does anything to address it! | 18:52 |
| tosky | amrith: and moreover, how different are the dev images from at least a simple model of production images? | 18:52 |
| saurabhs | amrtith: how about we take it from a different angle lets not call it prod ready elements. lets call them independant elements which don't require trove integration elements but will produce the image in a such a way that datastore specific package and configuration is there | 18:52 |
| SlickNik | and most of them are of the opinion that moving to a sahara like model (where the image-elements are separated out) so that they don't have to understand the intricacies of redstack would improve this quite a bit. | 18:53 |
| amrith | anyway, maybe this needs to be an in-person conversation. at mid-cycle? | 18:53 |
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| cp16net | so in this new repo will there be an "easier" script or will it basically be all the same it is today in redstack? | 18:53 |
| tosky | amrith: this proposed solution gives you a simple set of files which you don't need to dig from a bigger set, like (sorry for repeating it) sahara-image-elements | 18:53 |
| abramley | the major difference will be in where you get the trove code - is it from apt-get or git - is it a release version or HEAD etc | 18:53 |
| saurabhs | somebody can go on the top of that and install stuff specific for their production or even non production use | 18:53 |
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| tosky | cp16net: please check https://github.com/openstack/sahara-image-elements | 18:53 |
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| SlickNik | cp16net: The proposal was that there would be an easier script (ala sahara) — although I'll let vkmc confirm. | 18:53 |
| vkmc | abramley, good point | 18:54 |
| tosky | cp16net: the idea is the same | 18:54 |
| abramley | and also what we do about users / ssh keys etc in the guests - since we expect certain things in the dev environment that you would never do in production | 18:54 |
| vkmc | cp16net, yes, the idea is to make it easier | 18:54 |
| abramley | so whilst the database specific elements may look the same in dev vs production - the trove guest agent elements will be different | 18:54 |
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| SlickNik | abramley: make those artifacts part element that only gets mixed in when test images are being built. | 18:54 |
| SlickNik | part of an element* | 18:55 |
| amrith | SlickNik, may I propose that we treat this just as we would any other 'feature' and BP it with a clear description of the usage, the use case, ... | 18:55 |
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| amrith | if this is really so simple a solution, I don't believe writing it up as a BP should be that hard? | 18:55 |
| vkmc | cp16net, a simpler script, easier to scale | 18:55 |
| peterstac | SlickNik, so we'd maintain a second elements dir with dev stuff in it? | 18:55 |
| sushilkm | amrith, ++ | 18:55 |
| amrith | and oh by the way, a link to sahara elements repo isn't the answer. trove is just a bit different | 18:55 |
| vkmc | amrith++ | 18:55 |
| vgnbkr | If you understand what you need to do, it only takes a few minutes to deal with the trove-integration images. It's the months you need to put in to figure out all the other stuff. | 18:55 |
| vgnbkr | s/images/elements | 18:56 |
| SlickNik | peterstac: no, ultimately we'd refactor redstack to call out to this other dib script once it's all set up so we're not maintaining two versions. | 18:56 |
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| amrith | time check ... 4 minutes to go. | 18:56 |
| tosky | amrith: they are closer than many other projects; provide instances with $something, plugins vs datastores | 18:56 |
| tosky | regarding this specific issue, they are really really close, for what I've been able to grasp | 18:57 |
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| SlickNik | Sure, we can have a BP to explain what we're doing in this case, but I don't want to block progress on this. | 18:58 |
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| SlickNik | I think that simplifying the image-building process is something that we _really_ need to address (based on user feedback), and that this is a step in the right direction. | 18:59 |
| vkmc | I'll propose the spec, we can continue discussing over it, if that is ok for all :) | 18:59 |
| SlickNik | vkmc: ++ Thanks! | 18:59 |
| amrith | vkmc ++ | 18:59 |
| saurabhs | vkmc++ | 18:59 |
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| vkmc | thanks :) | 18:59 |
| cp16net | sounds good | 18:59 |
| SlickNik | We're out of time for today's meeting! | 18:59 |
| cp16net | i'm still wrapping my head around it | 18:59 |
| cp16net | :) | 19:00 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 19:00 |
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| sushilkm | thnx :) | 19:00 |
| amrith | cp16net, don't hurt urself ;) | 19:00 |
| SlickNik | Any items? | 19:00 |
| SlickNik | (for open discussion) | 19:00 |
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| amrith | who's coming to mid-cycle ;) | 19:00 |
| cp16net | o/ | 19:00 |
| SlickNik | We might have to take them to the #openstack-trove room | 19:00 |
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| SlickNik | o/ | 19:00 |
| johnma | :) thats hilarious | 19:00 |
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| sgordon | i heard you like trove so i put some trove peeps in yo meeting room | 19:01 |
| SlickNik | amrith: I have registrations from evite, I'll send you numbers. | 19:01 |
| SlickNik | lol | 19:01 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 8 19:01:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| SlickNik | Thanks all | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-07-08-17.58.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-07-08-17.58.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-07-08-17.58.log.html | 19:01 |
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| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 8 19:01:54 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 19:01 |
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| SlickNik | sorry we ran a little late sgordon! | 19:02 |
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| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 19:02 |
| SlickNik | Thanks! | 19:02 |
| sgordon | np | 19:02 |
| sgordon | #topic roll call | 19:02 |
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| sgordon | yo folks | 19:02 |
| sgordon | who is here for the telco working group meeting | 19:02 |
| ralfT | hi | 19:02 |
| sgordon | hi ralfT | 19:02 |
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| sgordon | this could be quick ;) | 19:03 |
| ralfT | i hope not... | 19:03 |
| ralfT | i've one question | 19:03 |
| sgordon | sure, i have a list of stuff to reel off | 19:03 |
| sgordon | but let's start with your Q | 19:04 |
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| ralfT | it's about service chaining | 19:04 |
| sgordon | #topic service chaining | 19:04 |
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| ralfT | which framework should we use to describe SFC: the IETF wording or the ETSI (==OPNFV) wording | 19:05 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169201/ | 19:05 |
| sgordon | well there is a religious discussion | 19:05 |
| sgordon | to be honest, im not sure | 19:05 |
| ralfT | i use both in the SFC use case - this is causing some confusion | 19:06 |
| sgordon | right | 19:06 |
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| sgordon | i *suspect* using the ETSI/OPNFV wording would be better understood within this working group | 19:06 |
| sgordon | but it's unclear that is true for the broader openstack community | 19:06 |
| sgordon | i think it would be worth starting a thread on openstack-dev highlighting the differences | 19:07 |
| sgordon | and asking this question | 19:07 |
| sgordon | ralfT, ^ | 19:07 |
| ralfT | this is also my impression that ETSI wording is "nearer" to the data center world | 19:08 |
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| sgordon | yeah | 19:08 |
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| sgordon | can i give you the AI to send an email highlighting that disconnect though? | 19:09 |
| ralfT | according to the stronger influence of OPNFV I can live with the ETSI/OPNFV wording | 19:09 |
| sgordon | then hopefully we can get the use case rolling forward | 19:09 |
| sgordon | ok :) | 19:09 |
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| ralfT | AI = ? | 19:10 |
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| sgordon | action item, sorry | 19:11 |
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| ralfT | I would like to ask the telcowg team to vote.... | 19:12 |
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| sgordon | i think the best way to achieve that is via a discussion on the mailing list | 19:12 |
| sgordon | tagged with [telcowg][nfv], possibly others | 19:12 |
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| ralfT | ok - so I try this and ask Marc for some support | 19:13 |
| sgordon | #action ralfT to follow up on IETF vs ETSI/OPNFV wording for service chaining use case | 19:14 |
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| ralfT | ok | 19:14 |
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| sgordon | #topic reviews | 19:15 |
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| sgordon | #topic reviews - template clarification | 19:15 |
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| sgordon | i have been discussing with the product working group how we could/should work with them to refine our use cases | 19:15 |
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| sgordon | they are building a process for taking use cases from the various working groups and feeding them to the project teams | 19:15 |
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| sgordon | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/product-wg/2015-July/000485.html | 19:15 |
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| sgordon | as a result of that discussion i discovered there was some confusion around a couple of the template sections | 19:16 |
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| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199654/ | 19:16 |
| sgordon | i attempt to address one in the above review | 19:16 |
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| sgordon | need some help with wording of the other (highlighted in the review comments) | 19:16 |
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| ralfT | we will also look at this | 19:17 |
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| sgordon | thanks | 19:19 |
| sgordon | im not going to go 1 by 1 through the other reviews | 19:19 |
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| sgordon | but... | 19:20 |
| sgordon | #topic reviews - workflow | 19:20 |
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| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178347/ | 19:20 |
| sgordon | i have updated this in relation to the latest feedback | 19:20 |
| sgordon | really need to get this nailed down | 19:20 |
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| pcarver | Is this the correct repo for use cases? https://github.com/stackforge/telcowg-usecases | 19:21 |
| sgordon | not quite | 19:21 |
| sgordon | the github.com repos are mirrors of the git.openstack.org ones | 19:22 |
| pcarver | We're trying to get oriented on the workflow | 19:22 |
| sgordon | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/telcowg-usecases/ | 19:22 |
| pcarver | And there's just one use case in it right now? | 19:22 |
| sgordon | one merged | 19:22 |
| sgordon | we have a number of proposals | 19:22 |
| sgordon | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/telcowg-usecases,n,z | 19:22 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/telcowg-usecases,n,z | 19:23 |
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| pcarver | ok, good, we wanted to make sure we were looking in the right place | 19:23 |
| sgordon | one of the other topics on my agenda is better defining what the criteria are for merging these | 19:23 |
| sgordon | since atm we only have ~ 3 cores defined | 19:23 |
| sgordon | #action sgordon to email list about telcowg merge requirements for use cases | 19:23 |
| sgordon | #topic operators midcycle | 19:24 |
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| sgordon | the discussion around the ops midcycle rages on | 19:24 |
| sgordon | so still not confirmed exactly when/where | 19:24 |
| sgordon | or even some of the mechanics | 19:24 |
| sgordon | will keep tracking it but not much that can be added on that for now | 19:25 |
| sgordon | #topic other discussion | 19:25 |
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| sgordon | ralfT, pcarver so that brings me to the end of what i think we can cover without a quorum | 19:25 |
| sgordon | did you have anything else you would like to raise? | 19:25 |
| ralfT | nothing for today | 19:25 |
| pcarver | nothing for me. The main concern was that we were looking in the right place for use cases | 19:26 |
| ralfT | The workflow howto could also be interesting for other groups... | 19:26 |
| sgordon | ok no problem | 19:26 |
| pcarver | We're planning to write some | 19:26 |
| sgordon | pcarver, feel free to reach out in #openstack-nfv if you have Qs | 19:26 |
| sgordon | yes the workflow and template is a big part of what i am discussing with the product wg | 19:26 |
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| sgordon | and whether it's something we try replicate for other working groups | 19:26 |
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| sgordon | alright, thanks all for your time | 19:27 |
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| sgordon | #endmeeting | 19:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 8 19:27:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-07-08-19.01.html | 19:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-07-08-19.01.txt | 19:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-07-08-19.01.log.html | 19:27 |
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| xgerman | #startmeeting octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 8 20:00:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| dougwig | o/ | 20:00 |
| xgerman | #chair blogan | 20:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: blogan xgerman | 20:00 |
| madhu_ak | o/ | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | Howdy, howdy! | 20:00 |
| blogan | hola | 20:01 |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:01 |
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| sballe | o/ | 20:01 |
| xgerman | #topic Announcements | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: octavia)" | 20:01 | |
| xgerman | we will talk midccyel in a bit | 20:01 |
| xgerman | GSLB draft: #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nw5jVn0hjmhlhkZJAohx-gqRkkbVhMMJ79Pogd0ysEk/edit?usp=sharing | 20:01 |
| sherif | hello | 20:01 |
| xgerman | sherif is the new HP intern working on active-standby amphora | 20:01 |
| ptoohill | o/ | 20:02 |
| blogan | ah nice to meet you sherif | 20:02 |
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| sherif | nice to meet you blogan | 20:02 |
| xgerman | so global load balancing pout out a draft and is awaiting comments + suggestions | 20:02 |
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| xgerman | I think flavor framework got mestery’s attention and is now moving at light speed | 20:04 |
| madhu_ak | +! | 20:04 |
| madhu_ak | +1 | 20:04 |
| mestery | xgerman: YEs indeed! | 20:04 |
| sballe | great | 20:04 |
| mestery | I'm keen to see it merged, so reviewing it, testing it, etc. | 20:04 |
| mestery | Thanks to madhu_ak for his work here | 20:04 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:04 |
| madhu_ak | glad to collaborate! | 20:04 |
| dougwig | let's aim to merge that during the midcycle (or sooner) | 20:05 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:05 |
| madhu_ak | new oatch is on the way for flavor | 20:05 |
| madhu_ak | s/oatch/patch | 20:05 |
| xgerman | cool | 20:06 |
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| xgerman | dougwig any announcements? | 20:06 |
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| xgerman | ok, moving on | 20:07 |
| xgerman | #topic Midcycle Topic focusing | 20:07 |
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| xgerman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LBaaS-FWaaS-VPNaaS_Summer_Midcycle_meetup | 20:07 |
| blogan | methinks dougwig put this up, but it is ag ood idea | 20:07 |
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| xgerman | yep, good idea +1 | 20:08 |
| blogan | we've got a lot of topics to go through and there's no way we're going to address them all | 20:08 |
| dougwig | we had a *BUNCH* of potential topics in the etherpad. can we narrow that down to 5 or 6 items that we expect to sprint on and nail? | 20:08 |
| blogan | at least get them all done, might be some high level discussion | 20:08 |
| dougwig | i started with a few from neutron-lbaas and fwaas | 20:08 |
| blogan | agree with the neutron-lbaas topics | 20:09 |
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| xgerman | yeah, I am curious who is doing L& those days | 20:09 |
| xgerman | L7 | 20:09 |
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| dougwig | evgeny, i think. | 20:09 |
| blogan | yeah we'll probably have to look at the review up and see what work still remains | 20:10 |
| dougwig | can someone volunteer to cut the octavia list down? or suggest the most important here? | 20:10 |
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| dougwig | clearly, it's all about the SSH driver. :) | 20:10 |
| sbalukoff | Haha | 20:10 |
| blogan | well i think reworking the drivers and making the controller worker pluggable is important to me, but that can just be a high level discussion and be implemented in off peaktimes | 20:11 |
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| xgerman | I think we need to spend time at the summit to figure out the list of things we need to hit for the ref driver goal | 20:11 |
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| dougwig | +1 | 20:12 |
| ptoohill | Ive sorta worked on a pluggable controller worker for the containers stuff we are working on | 20:12 |
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| xgerman | yeah, we will need the same for active-passive | 20:13 |
| dougwig | if we can aim to break into 4-5 groups that are working together, that usually works pretty well at the other sprints i've been to. | 20:13 |
| xgerman | I know johnsom wants to work on housekeeping and health manager | 20:13 |
| xgerman | dougwig, sounds good | 20:13 |
| xgerman | we are a big enough crowd | 20:13 |
| blogan | yeah trevor can work with johnsomon that | 20:13 |
| blogan | yeah this is a huge crowd | 20:14 |
| dougwig | if we aim at 5-6 topics, with a point person for each, then we can open the session with either a group conversation (cough, fwaas), or point at who folks can rally around for whatever they're interesting in working on. | 20:14 |
| dougwig | interestED. tense fail. | 20:15 |
| sbalukoff | Are we just looking for someone to name those 5-6 topics? | 20:17 |
| blogan | well neutron-lbaas has l7, flavors, and octavia as ref driver | 20:17 |
| sbalukoff | Why don't people who want to work on a specific thing volunteer to lead that sub-group? | 20:17 |
| sballe | Should we prioritize them? I am assumign some topics are more important than others | 20:17 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:17 |
| sballe | sbalukoff: +1 | 20:18 |
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| blogan | restructuring flows and the pluggable controller worker can be merged | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | I think the Octavia as reference driver is an important goal-- but I'm reluctant to try to lead anything just yet after having come back after a 6-month hiatus. | 20:18 |
| blogan | doug should lead that one | 20:18 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:18 |
| blogan | voluntold | 20:18 |
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| sbalukoff | HAHA | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | Congrats, Doug! | 20:19 |
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| dougwig | uh oh, what did i get? | 20:19 |
| sbalukoff | I'm up for taking a stab at L7 if nobody else here is more qualified / engaged in it. | 20:19 |
| blogan | works for me | 20:19 |
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| sbalukoff | dougwig: You're going to deliver v1.0 next week. | 20:19 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: you still need to finish up all your old reviews too :P | 20:19 |
| dougwig | ha. | 20:19 |
| sbalukoff | ALL of it. On you. | 20:19 |
| xgerman | rm_work +1 | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: Pshaw! | 20:20 |
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| * dougwig books tickets to Hawaii. | 20:20 | |
| xgerman | and we now have a y34 gate | 20:20 |
| xgerman | py34 | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | Yay? | 20:20 |
| blogan | housekeeping service can be led by johnsom/TrevorV | 20:20 |
| rm_work | yay for living in the present instead of the past! :P | 20:20 |
| xgerman | brogan +1 | 20:21 |
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| sbalukoff | rm_work: py27 will never die, man. | 20:21 |
| sbalukoff | It's immortal. Like that one species of jellyfish. | 20:21 |
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| blogan | ok my top 3 octavia topics in no order are 1) flows/controller worker 2) housekeeping 3) different drivers discussion | 20:22 |
| blogan | active/standby would be a nice to have | 20:22 |
| blogan | not sure if we'll be able to get to it though with someof the technical debt we have | 20:22 |
| xgerman | well, if it doesn’t happen sherif failed | 20:22 |
| blogan | lol | 20:22 |
| rm_work | no pressure sherif | 20:22 |
| sherif | yeh appears so :) | 20:22 |
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| xgerman | brogan what about health? | 20:24 |
| xgerman | blogan | 20:24 |
| blogan | well i'm kind of lumping that in with housekeeping i suppose, it is different though | 20:24 |
| xgerman | it has it’s own name :-) | 20:24 |
| blogan | okay so 3) health manager | 20:25 |
| xgerman | but lumping works for me | 20:25 |
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| blogan | pretty sure health amnager and housekeeping will have a lot of discussions together | 20:25 |
| blogan | people who do it | 20:25 |
| sbalukoff | health monitoring is something likely to trigger housekeeping tasks. | 20:25 |
| rm_work | apparently this is a thing: http://i.imgur.com/sy4OoNR.png | 20:25 |
| sbalukoff | They're kind of joined at the hip. | 20:25 |
| xgerman | lol | 20:25 |
| blogan | rm_work: nice attempt at derailing a productive meeting | 20:25 |
| xgerman | enriching | 20:26 |
| xgerman | sbalukoff +1 | 20:26 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Holy moly! Since when did this group start having those? | 20:26 |
| blogan | okay im going to update the etherpad with that 3/4 items | 20:26 |
| sbalukoff | You leave for half a year, people... | 20:26 |
| blogan | unless there is mass disagreement | 20:26 |
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| rm_work | sounds good | 20:26 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Go for it. | 20:26 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:26 |
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| dougwig | if anyone else has input, put it in the etherpad. if we don't have volunteer point people by the end of the week, we'll assign some. :) | 20:28 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | +1 | 20:28 |
| xgerman | now with bogan picking up volunteering that shouldn’t be a problem | 20:28 |
| blogan | voluntelling | 20:29 |
| * xgerman thinks next mistype will be hogan | 20:29 | |
| blogan | or brogan | 20:29 |
| dougwig | towgan | 20:29 |
| blogan | that name has run its course | 20:29 |
| xgerman | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:29 |
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| blogan | ive got reviews in flight that i don't want to merge/change until midcycle decisions are made :) | 20:30 |
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| blogan | othert han rebasing from rm_work py34 crusade | 20:31 |
| rm_work | heh | 20:31 |
| dougwig | i kind of feel like rm_work can crusade on anything. like brushing his teeth. | 20:31 |
| blogan | no truer words have ever been said | 20:32 |
| dougwig | sorry, OT. | 20:32 |
| rm_work | :P | 20:32 |
| xgerman | yeah, any updates on the gate tasks form last week? mwang2; madu_ak | 20:32 |
| rm_work | What can I say, I get things done. | 20:32 |
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| blogan | i think we have different definitions of crusade | 20:32 |
| ptoohill | I have a couple things out and coming for RS containers work. The TLS hook up stuff I did could use some reviews to get in, in both octavia and n-lbaas. Think one of them is only being picky about using os.join for a test string. | 20:32 |
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| madhu_ak | am yet to start the gate task xgerman, caught up more work internally and working on flavor stuffs | 20:33 |
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| rm_work | yeah, would like to get ptoohill's TLS stuff merged | 20:33 |
| madhu_ak | xgerman, that is the next task to do | 20:33 |
| xgerman | ptoohill - I will try to look at it | 20:33 |
| ptoohill | Thank you | 20:33 |
| xgerman | I also think dougwig’s Octavia driver needs some love | 20:34 |
| ptoohill | We need to get the driver updated for subnet_id | 20:34 |
| dougwig | is that noted in the review? | 20:34 |
| ptoohill | Not yet i dont think | 20:34 |
| blogan | it will be soon | 20:34 |
| dougwig | i've got two people's feedback to incorporate. i can hit that at the same time. please add? | 20:34 |
| ptoohill | ill add | 20:35 |
| xgerman | I am also curious about cc32’s health work — van we get a WIP? | 20:35 |
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| blogan | ptoohill: already added | 20:35 |
| xgerman | ctc32 | 20:36 |
| xgerman | crc32 | 20:36 |
| blogan | xgerman: he's working on it as we speak | 20:36 |
| xgerman | cool | 20:36 |
| blogan | xgerman: it'll probably be crude at first, but it can be cleaned up during the midcycle, ill make sure he gets a review up ebfore the midcycle though | 20:36 |
| ptoohill | well i pressed button before i seen that >< | 20:36 |
| xgerman | yeah, I just like to see the direction... | 20:37 |
| blogan | xgerman: understandable | 20:38 |
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| xgerman | moving on? | 20:39 |
| * blogan thinks we're done? | 20:39 | |
| xgerman | #topic Open Discussion | 20:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: octavia)" | 20:39 | |
| dougwig | move to adjourn. | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | Heh! | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | One quick thing: | 20:39 |
| sballe | bye! | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=86319369&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | Progress with the trademark. U.S. government is slow, but things are still on track there. | 20:40 |
| ptoohill | nice | 20:40 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | Also, thanks xgerman for his vbrownbag talk at the Vancouver summit. I totally used that as proof that "Octavia" is being used in commerce. :D | 20:40 |
| sballe | cool. sbalukoff are you going to give this trademark to the Openstack Foundation? | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | sballe: Yes. | 20:41 |
| sballe | or will IBM own the name> | 20:41 |
| sballe | O cool! | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | No, part of the clarification paperwork I ended up filling out about this during the acquisition is that it's slated to be handed over to the Openstack Foundation as soon as the latter is ready to take it over. | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | That's all I have. | 20:42 |
| sbalukoff | Adjourn? | 20:42 |
| dougwig | it's IBM, so i'm guessing you have to notarize your used TP to get that closed. | 20:42 |
| sbalukoff | Haha. | 20:42 |
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| rm_work | good meeting then | 20:43 |
| xgerman | ok | 20:43 |
| rm_work | see most of you in Seattle? | 20:43 |
| xgerman | #endmeeting | 20:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 8 20:43:15 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-07-08-20.00.html | 20:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-07-08-20.00.txt | 20:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-07-08-20.00.log.html | 20:43 |
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| sherif | bye | 20:43 |
| xgerman | yep, see you all there | 20:43 |
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