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| mkoderer | #startmeeting telcowg | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 3 14:00:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mkoderer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 14:00 |
| mkoderer | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| mkoderer | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
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| aveiga_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| mkoderer | hi folks :) | 14:00 |
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| sc68cal | o/ | 14:00 |
| mkoderer | ok seems to be a very small group today | 14:01 |
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| mkoderer | sgordon isn't available today | 14:02 |
| ian_ott | hi | 14:02 |
| cloudon | hi | 14:02 |
| mkoderer | #topic Summit Re-cap | 14:02 |
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| mkoderer | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-ops-telco | 14:02 |
| mkoderer | we need to assure that the topics we discssed are somehow addressed | 14:03 |
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| aveiga_ | +1, can't let good ideas rot on an etherpad | 14:03 |
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| jaypipes | morning all... | 14:04 |
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| mkoderer | jaypipes: hi :) | 14:04 |
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| mkoderer | so do we have anything special regarding "review process" to discuss? | 14:04 |
| aveiga_ | I know the breakouts had a lot of talk around specific uses | 14:05 |
| mkoderer | aveiga_: yep correct | 14:05 |
| aveiga_ | maybe we should get some action items around picking each topic and either matching it to (and expanding) a usecase or writing a new one | 14:05 |
| ian_ott | yes, the breakout sessions were good, not sure the outcomes made it to the etherpad or how to keep those discussions going | 14:05 |
| ian_ott | aveiga_: so the breakouts become use cases | 14:06 |
| aveiga_ | ian_ott: they sort of are already | 14:06 |
| ian_ott | true enough | 14:06 |
| aveiga_ | they're topically broken into different network "tools" | 14:06 |
| ian_ott | but, then we would have a review of the use case to make it crisp | 14:06 |
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| aveiga_ | yes, using gerrit as usual | 14:07 |
| ian_ott | makes sense, thanks | 14:07 |
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| aveiga_ | then it's a) tracked b) broekn into separate functions and c) can get committed and then bugs/specs come out of it | 14:07 |
| mkoderer | the etherpad is a bit messy IMO | 14:07 |
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| mkoderer | I guess the first topic was about orchestration? | 14:08 |
| aveiga_ | yup | 14:08 |
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| mkoderer | there was a good comment on the etherpad | 14:09 |
| mkoderer | "... but not only is there job to explain req to OpenStack, also task to bring carriers closer together in approach" | 14:09 |
| mkoderer | I think we need to build a group of intressted Telcos and work on a detail design for it | 14:10 |
| mkoderer | I already talked to the Murano team during a design summit session | 14:10 |
| mkoderer | so there are offically ETSI NFV brainwashed | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | heh :) | 14:11 |
| mkoderer | ok this was the breakout session I was active | 14:12 |
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| mkoderer | any other session that was intressting | 14:12 |
| mkoderer | aveiga_: which one did you join? | 14:13 |
| aveiga_ | mkoderer: both VLAN and MPLS | 14:13 |
| aveiga_ | I tried to steer them into defining the issue in terms of the usecase, as well | 14:13 |
| jaypipes | aveiga_: how did that work out? :) | 14:13 |
| aveiga_ | most of our bullet points there are either requirements or perceived flaws | 14:13 |
| aveiga_ | pretty well, actually | 14:13 |
| mkoderer | aveiga_: ok cool | 14:14 |
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| mkoderer | aveiga_: ok are you planning to write use-cases about those topics? | 14:15 |
| aveiga_ | I think so | 14:16 |
| mkoderer | +1 | 14:16 |
| aveiga_ | so give me the AI to write up those two | 14:16 |
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| mkoderer | #action aveiga_ use case proposal for "VLAN" and "MPLS" | 14:17 |
| aveiga_ | thanks :) | 14:17 |
| mkoderer | ok, any other topics that we were we need AI's :) | 14:17 |
| mkoderer | I see the topic "Fault management" | 14:18 |
| mkoderer | anyone around that was part of this group? | 14:18 |
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| mkoderer | at least someone is writing stuff to the etherpad currently :) | 14:18 |
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| mkoderer | ok let's move to the next point | 14:19 |
| adrian-hoban | I'm looking at the etherpad, but not adding stuff right now | 14:20 |
| mkoderer | adrian-hoban: ok, I think it's jaypipes :) | 14:20 |
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| adrian-hoban | Actually, re the fault item | 14:20 |
| adrian-hoban | There are some proposals coming through from OPNFV on this. | 14:21 |
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| adrian-hoban | They were reviewed at teh summit | 14:21 |
| adrian-hoban | Doctor was the project code name | 14:21 |
| mkoderer | adrian-hoban: yeah I remember some discussions | 14:22 |
| jaypipes | adrian-hoban, mkoderer: yes, that's me :) | 14:22 |
| adrian-hoban | IIRC it did not have a use case definition | 14:22 |
| mkoderer | ok we might link the OPNFV effort to it then | 14:22 |
| adrian-hoban | Should it have a use case, or do you guys think it has it already progress past the need for one? | 14:23 |
| jaypipes | are you guys familiar with the Tacker project? | 14:23 |
| aveiga_ | adrian-hoban: this WG isn't a requirement to get things into OpenStack. That said, if we had a case that tracked theirs, it might prevent duplication of effort | 14:23 |
| adrian-hoban | Jaypipes: Yes | 14:23 |
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| mkoderer | jaypipes: yep | 14:24 |
| jaypipes | kk | 14:24 |
| jaypipes | any thoughts on it? | 14:24 |
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| jaypipes | I haven't had a chance to look much into it, unfortunately. | 14:24 |
| aveiga_ | so this keeps coming up whenever we have discussions on service chaining and vnf management | 14:24 |
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| aveiga_ | I'll reiterate, but I don't know if it will help | 14:25 |
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| aveiga_ | it's great to have a VNF manager that is OpenStack aware | 14:25 |
| cloudon | Goal (AIUI) of having an OpenStack component capable of acting as a VNFM is good one, IMO | 14:25 |
| cloudon | Heat lacking in that regard (e.g. healing) | 14:25 |
| aveiga_ | the bit I'm worried about is when the the VNF is chained to an external network function (like MPLS tags pushed/popped by a hardware router) | 14:25 |
| aveiga_ | and when there's devices in the chain that are outside of OpenStack's control | 14:26 |
| adrian-hoban | jaypipes: Here's the Intel position on Tacker: "Intel started the Tacker effort to investigate the deployment of service VMs with OpenStack with a blueprint from Intel Labs at the Hong Kong summit. We brought together interested parties and delivered a proof-of-concept. | 14:26 |
| adrian-hoban | With this enabling work completed, Intel is now focusing on contributing to another range of projects across OpenStack. Intel has a long-term commitment to the OpenStack project and is actively collaborating with the community on extensions for Enterprise, Cloud and Telco use cases.” | 14:26 |
| mkoderer | adrian-hoban: you are active in tacker, right? | 14:26 |
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| mkoderer | I will try to attend to their meetings | 14:28 |
| adrian-hoban | mkoderer: Intel was active in Tacker. It started as a Service VM exploration. From our perspective, we completed that investigation | 14:28 |
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| mkoderer | adrian-hoban: ok I see | 14:28 |
| mkoderer | #topic Critical Reviews | 14:29 |
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| mkoderer | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:stackforge/telcowg-usecases+status:open,n,z | 14:29 |
| mkoderer | do we have a review/use-case were we want to have a discussion today? | 14:30 |
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| jaypipes | mkoderer: of those 5, which is the most important to review? | 14:30 |
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| mkoderer | jaypipes: I know that SFC is quite instressting for many ppl | 14:30 |
| mkoderer | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169201/ | 14:31 |
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| jaypipes | mkoderer: k, I will try to review that one in the next couple days. | 14:31 |
| mkoderer | but we have similar efforts in OpNFV though | 14:31 |
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| mkoderer | very important is also: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178347/ | 14:31 |
| mkoderer | but it | 14:31 |
| mkoderer | but it's still a WiP | 14:32 |
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| aveiga_ | I actually think that WIP is the more important one for feedback | 14:32 |
| aveiga_ | it's going to set the way we go from accepted use case to getting things done | 14:32 |
| mkoderer | aveiga_: yep.. +1 | 14:32 |
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| jaypipes | k, I'll get a review on that one this week, too. | 14:32 |
| mkoderer | it's currently quite open what we do with merged use-cases | 14:33 |
| aveiga_ | yup, and the more input the better on that one | 14:33 |
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| mkoderer | so having a process is key | 14:33 |
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| mkoderer | #action jaypipes review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178347/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169201/ | 14:34 |
| mkoderer | :) | 14:34 |
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| jaypipes | :) | 14:34 |
| mkoderer | ok any other review we want to discuss today? | 14:35 |
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| jaypipes | mkoderer: just a quick note to request feedback on my question on that etherpad if anyone has some time.. | 14:36 |
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| mkoderer | jaypipes: ok so your comments on "Fault management"? | 14:36 |
| aveiga_ | jaypipes: you mean the multisite/availability one? | 14:37 |
| jaypipes | aveiga_: yes please. | 14:37 |
| jaypipes | mkoderer: yes please :) | 14:37 |
| mkoderer | ok :) | 14:37 |
| mkoderer | #topic Open discussion | 14:37 |
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| jaypipes | Also, not sure if aveiga_ said he would earlier, but can we get a summary email to the ML that discusses the results/outcome of the VLAN and the MPLS breakouts? | 14:38 |
| aveiga_ | hrm, I think I can do that | 14:38 |
| jaypipes | thx aveiga_! | 14:38 |
| aveiga_ | mkoderer: action me, please :) | 14:38 |
| mkoderer | jaypipes: but if aveiga_ writes a use-case everybody is invited to review | 14:38 |
| jaypipes | of course. | 14:38 |
| aveiga_ | it won't hurt to have both | 14:39 |
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| aveiga_ | not all the ML readers are watching our repo for use cases | 14:39 |
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| mkoderer | #action aveiga_ sum up outcome of VLAN and MPLS breakout session for the ML | 14:39 |
| mkoderer | all right, any thing else? | 14:41 |
| mkoderer | seems we are done for today | 14:43 |
| mkoderer | thanks all! | 14:43 |
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| aveiga_ | thanks for running the meeting, mkoderer! | 14:43 |
| mkoderer | #endmeeting | 14:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 3 14:43:43 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-06-03-14.00.html | 14:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-06-03-14.00.txt | 14:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-06-03-14.00.log.html | 14:43 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello ML2 folks | 15:59 |
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| rkukura | Hi ML2’ers! | 16:00 |
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| shivharis | hi | 16:00 |
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| Sukhdev | lets give it a minute or so for others to join in | 16:00 |
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| shivharis | just fyi: i will drop off early, i am signed in while in customer meeting... | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis : stay on for first couple of items on the agenda - | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | we'll keep the meeting short today | 16:02 |
| shivharis | will do | 16:02 |
| rkukura | I may also need to drop off a bit early today | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 3 16:02:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | #topic Announcements: | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | FYI - I kicked off Ironic-neutron integration meetings starting this monday | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | lots of interest from lots of vendors and operators | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | You should drop by next week - | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | Did you know about the new spec process? | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: Is this still using the binding:profile port attribute to pass info from ironic->neutron? Are any neutron or ML2 changes envisioned for ironic? | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: correct that is the plan | 16:06 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: thanks | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | however, armando discussed with me subscription service in neutron | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | he is asking me to look into that for this | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | Apparently ODL and OVN uses it | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | I think this is for APIs (like SGs) that ML2 doesn’t currently handle. | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | I plan on looking into this, but, at the moment, I going with binding profile - this makes a whole lot of sense | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: correct | 16:08 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: I’ll try to participate in the ironic_neutron meetings | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: cool - that will be nice | 16:09 |
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| shivharis | Sukhdev: count me in | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: sounds good - it takes places Mondays at 9am PT | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | Vendor decamp phase 2 - I am sure you are aware of it | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | Here is the proposal - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187267 | 16:10 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Charter of ML2 team for Liberty | 16:10 |
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| Sukhdev | what do we want to accomplish in Liberty cycle? | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | I listed two items - | 16:11 |
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| Sukhdev | Task Flow and Decomposition phase 2 | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | your thoughts? | 16:11 |
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| Sukhdev | manish has not shown up - I was hoping he will join in as we go along | 16:12 |
| rkukura | I agree with both of those. | 16:12 |
| rkukura | Do we know if the QoS effort is likely to impact ML2? | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I have not looked at it closely | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: do you know? | 16:13 |
| banix_ | rkukura: there was discussion of that at neutron call | 16:13 |
| rkukura | I’m thinking this might require the followon work for extensions’ sematics to be enforced during port binding, but am not sure | 16:13 |
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| shivharis | Sukhdev: those are the two that come to mind for now | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | banix_: I missed the meeting - can you fill us in? | 16:14 |
| banix_ | as is there is some tight connections as far as i could see; suggestion was to untangle | 16:14 |
| sadasu | rkukura: at port binding and port updates as far as I understand | 16:14 |
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| rkukura | Maybe the charter should include a general items of tracking what other neutron efforts require/change in ML2 | 16:15 |
| banix_ | so i havent looked at the spec myself but i thin there was a suggestion to not tie things to ml2 so say other plugins can use it as well. sorry no in-dept knowledge at the moment | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | banix_: oh i see - thanks | 16:16 |
| rkukura | banix_: Agree on other plugins being able to do QoS, but I’m thinking it may effect how ML2 does certain things when the ML2 core plugin is used | 16:16 |
| banix_ | maybe ajo is the person who can fill us in? i may be wrong | 16:16 |
| shivharis | where does ml2 agents fit in? | 16:17 |
| rkukura | I’ll try to discuss this with ajo over the next couple days | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: shall I assign you an action for this? It will be good to have clarity | 16:17 |
| rkukura | sure | 16:17 |
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| Sukhdev | #action: rkukura to discuss with QoS implications with ajo on ML2 | 16:18 |
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| Sukhdev | So, we will add a misc. item on the charter and depending upon rkukura's findings on Qos, we'll add that as well | 16:19 |
| shivharis | banix_: at one point u were looking at modularizing agents? | 16:19 |
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| banix_ | shivharis: correct. were told during the last cycle that that was not on the priority listt | 16:19 |
| shivharis | banix_: ok | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | banix_: because too much was going on - you may want to reopen, if you are willing to drive it :-) | 16:20 |
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| banix_ | at Paris, it was decided just refactoring code for cleanup will be for the K cycle. That work didn’t get merged but i believe there are several patches by rosella et al under review | 16:21 |
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| banix_ | Sukhdev: shivharis rkukura do you see any change in that view? | 16:22 |
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| rkukura | banix_: Not sure, but if/when Rosella’s patches get merged, it can’t hurt to look at next steps. | 16:22 |
| shivharis | banix_: i would talk to person who said this is not a priority - capturing the reasons for the decision | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura +1 | 16:23 |
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| banix_ | yeah i think the first thing would be to see those patches merged | 16:23 |
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| Sukhdev | banix_: do you have cycles? | 16:24 |
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| banix_ | shivharis: i think mainly the amount of work in the cycle was the reason; i was not at that summit and found out about it when I posted on the mailing list; i think armando was the person who responded by saying lets not do anything like that | 16:24 |
| banix_ | Sukhdev: motor or bi? | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | banix_: all of the above :-) | 16:25 |
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| shivharis | :-) | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | banix_: seriously, if you have cycles it may be worthwhile to do initial investigation | 16:26 |
| banix_ | Sukhdev: shivharis yes, i think if we feel the need, we should bring it up in the Neutron call and see what others think | 16:26 |
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| Sukhdev | banix_: Shall I assign you action to bring it up in neutron call? | 16:26 |
| rkukura | I think “supporting” linuxbridge is becoming a priority, so modulazition might support that. | 16:26 |
| banix_ | Sukhdev: sure | 16:26 |
| shivharis | rkukura: agree | 16:27 |
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| Sukhdev | #action: banix_ to discuss Modular L2 agents topic in Neutron core team and drive the priority | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | anything else we want to consider for Liberty charter? | 16:28 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic Neutron Mid-cycle | 16:28 |
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| sadasu | Sukhdev: what about the physical topology service ? | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | sadasu: thanks for reminding me that…. | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | we discussed it at the summit | 16:29 |
| rkukura | sadasu: This would certainly be useful for some ML2 drivers. | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | it is a very much needed service - shivharis said he was going to drive it | 16:30 |
| shivharis | arvind and I are working on a proposal that we will bring to the table in about a month | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: wake up - | 16:30 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: should we add to the ML2's charter? | 16:31 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Would ironic integration make use of topology service | 16:31 |
| rkukura | ? | 16:31 |
| shivharis | wide awake | 16:31 |
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| shivharis | Sukhdev: yes | 16:31 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: more and more it appears to be even out of the Neutron charter - but you can add this to ML2 for now | 16:31 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: Ironic needs something like physical topology - but, it can not use what is being proposed - as these are off-line machines | 16:32 |
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| shivharis | the scope is wider and may include nova | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | they can only be registered manually - once, they are powered on, then they could use physical topology service | 16:32 |
| shivharis | s/may/will/ | 16:32 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: I’d think the goal should be an API/model that captures physical topoology, with various options for populating it | 16:32 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: you will never get anything done if you keep saying scope is wider :-) - just my openion | 16:33 |
| asomya | rkukura: Correct, the API and model should only capture the topology and the interconnection between components | 16:33 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: implement it as ML2 charter, once it works, then propose to others | 16:33 |
| asomya | can be popluated via API,RPC etc. | 16:33 |
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| shivharis | Sukhdev: point taken | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I see your point - | 16:34 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis, asomya: we are defining an API in Ironic to enter the physical topology information - perhaps you can use that as a manual method to add to physical topology and build around it for the automation part | 16:35 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: any pointer to the API? | 16:35 |
| asomya | sukhdev: sounds good, any docs? | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: no - it is still being spec'ed out | 16:36 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: ok | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis asomya: shall I assign you an action to add this on the charter of ML2? | 16:36 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: since i plan to be on the iron meeting it wont be a surprise then | 16:36 |
| asomya | sure | 16:36 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: no not yet... we need to properly scope it | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis- ha ha say Ironic three times :-):-) | 16:37 |
| asomya | we can track it with a work item in ML2 but as shiv said we still need to flesh it out with details | 16:37 |
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| shivharis | iron ironi ironic - got it | 16:38 |
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| Sukhdev | asomya: understood -BTW, I have a working model of physical topology thing, if you need any help, ping me. | 16:38 |
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| Sukhdev | #action: asomya and shivharis to add Physical Topology to the ML2 charter for Liberty | 16:39 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: sorry for jumping in. is there any good pointer for physical topology thing? I am aware of baremetal work but i am not sure how these two are related. | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | anything else before we really - move on - btw sadasu thank for reminding and thanks shivharis for sleeping on the wheel :-) | 16:40 |
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| asomya | amotoki: The spec is not ready yet, we will post something for review soon | 16:40 |
| sadasu | :-) | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: there is no document yet - we are working on a spec for Ironic port API to specify the physical connectivity information - to be added manually | 16:41 |
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| amotoki | asomya: thanks :-) the meeting is overlapped and i haven't captured the sitaution fully. | 16:41 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: we need documents/pointers from you to be specific | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: will you joining itonic-neutron integration meetings? they take place Monday at 9am PT | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: will do | 16:42 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: yes unless it is not midnight :-) | 16:42 |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki: same time as this meeting - Mondays | 16:42 |
| amotoki | yeah! thanks. | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: This is not midnight for you, is it? | 16:43 |
| banix_ | ameade: isn’t past midnight there? | 16:43 |
| banix_ | amotoki: isn’t past midnight there? | 16:43 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: but it is acceptable. | 16:43 |
| amotoki | one hour later is a bit hard though. | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: I picked early time to accomodate aisan counterparts | 16:44 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: you said you have working model of physical topology thing, is it code you have or document? | 16:44 |
| amotoki | please move on the next topic! | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: neither can be shared - all Arista properioty - this is the first thing I implemented when I joined the company - all is in my head | 16:45 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: but, I can help you guys | 16:46 |
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| shivharis | Sukhdev: we will handle it ourselves - now need toget into legal trouble | 16:46 |
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| Sukhdev | I am not going to give you anything properiority - I will help you with ideas/reviews, etc.. | 16:47 |
| Sukhdev | so, do not worry :-) | 16:47 |
| shivharis | Sukdev: will ping for it | 16:47 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: thanks | 16:47 |
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| Sukhdev | Any how - I want to discuss the neutron mid-cycle next | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | I forgot to do undo - so, we have been discussing all this under neutron mid-cycle topic - sorry about that | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | there are two items on the agenda which are relevant to ML2 | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | 1) Decomposition part 2 and, 2) Task Flow | 16:49 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg (who is not here) can not make to the sprint | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | hence, we have only one relevant item | 16:50 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: here. | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: better late than never :-):) welcome and good to see you are awake :-) | 16:50 |
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| Sukhdev | so, for task flow, we need manishg, who can not make to Ft. Collins | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | we are considering doing a mid-cycle sprint in Bay Area | 16:51 |
| manishg | I'll be traveling around the time the sprint is planned :( Josh couldn't make it either. | 16:51 |
| shivharis | bye guys, go to run, will catch up on the logs | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | wanted to poll as to who will be interested in participating in Bay Area | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: thanks | 16:52 |
| manishg | we can do conf brdige, etc. for those interested but aren't here. | 16:52 |
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| rkukura | I’d travel to the Bay area for this | 16:52 |
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| manishg | or if there aren't too many we could do hangouts too. | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | manishg, shivharis, and I are locals here - so, should be easy | 16:53 |
| manishg | Depending on how many folks are interested I could try to figure out where to host it. | 16:53 |
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| manishg | Josh is local too. | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | sadasu, asomya, banix_ ??? | 16:54 |
| banix_ | Sukhdev: most probably won’t be able to attend in person | 16:54 |
| sadasu | can't travel this frequently but would join a hangout session | 16:54 |
| asomya | sukhdev: can probably make it , not sure yet | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | sadasu banix_: we can setup a hangout session | 16:55 |
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| banix_ | yeah | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | asomya: if you can check and let manishg know, that would be good | 16:55 |
| sadasu | thanks! | 16:55 |
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| rkukura | Would the goal be to design and implement the ML2 code changes needed to use TaskFlow, and update several drivers to work with this? | 16:56 |
| asomya | sukhdev: will do | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: correct - we should take one or two drivers and convert them to use task flow - | 16:57 |
| manishg | rkukura: yes, we should shoot for that. The main goal would be to first agree on a design to allow async operations and then update some drivers. | 16:57 |
| amotoki | regardless of how the decomp work goes, the work on taskflow sounds a good topic. | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: can you travel to Bay Area for this? | 16:57 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: I am not sure I can be there. | 16:58 |
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| Sukhdev | more the merrier :-) | 16:58 |
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| manishg | Sukhdev: should we talk about dates? | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: the next thing is to propose two or three possible time slots | 16:59 |
| banix_ | one minute left | 16:59 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: ok, will do. | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | #action: manishg to propose two or three time slots for mid-cycle sprint for task flow | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | #topic Open Discussion | 16:59 |
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| Sukhdev | you got last minute to bring up anything | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | I thought it will be short meeting - but, we pushed it all the way | 17:00 |
| banix_ | thanks all | 17:00 |
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| Sukhdev | Thanks folks, this was good discussion | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 17:00 |
| rkukura | Thanks Sukhdev! | 17:00 |
| banix_ | bye | 17:00 |
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| manishg | bye | 17:00 |
| rkukura | bye | 17:00 |
| asomya | bye | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 3 17:00:52 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-06-03-16.02.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-06-03-16.02.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-06-03-16.02.log.html | 17:00 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Designate | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 3 17:01:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:01 |
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| mugsie | hey - whos here? | 17:01 |
| ducttape_ | yo | 17:01 |
| mlavalle | hi | 17:01 |
| Kiall | o/ .. 2 mins, wrapping up another call | 17:01 |
| timsim | o/ | 17:01 |
| jmcbride | o/ | 17:01 |
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| mugsie | #topic Action Items | 17:02 |
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| mugsie | there was one - for me, which I did for the Hangout on monday | 17:02 |
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| mugsie | #topic Design Summit Review | 17:02 |
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| mugsie | we said before the summit we would circle back this week on the decissions made at the summit | 17:03 |
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| mugsie | so, to start: | 17:03 |
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| mugsie | #topic Session 2 (Workroom) - Database Interaction Rework - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-vancouver-session-2 | 17:03 |
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| mugsie | Kiall: all yours | 17:03 |
| Kiall | Hah, you had to start with that one. I'm afraid I didn't get time to write that one up, can we circle back next week? | 17:04 |
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| mugsie | #action Kiall finish the write for DB Re-Work | 17:04 |
| mugsie | #topic Session 4 (Workroom) - ALIAS Records - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-vancouver-session-4 | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/19/188019/1/check/gate-designate-specs-docs/d8a8a97//doc/build/html/specs/liberty/alias-records.html | 17:05 |
| mugsie | hah - Kiall you again :p | 17:05 |
| Kiall | Spec went up ealier today .. The intent of todays meet is to review, make sure it's what we agreed with nothing missed.. So, let's take 5 min now to review pls | 17:05 |
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| Kiall | (I've intentionally avoided getting into too much implemetation detail, wanted to keep them as high-ish level. | 17:06 |
| Kiall | Also.. This builds on the other spec. lol -_- | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | The other spec being http://docs-draft.openstack.org/19/188019/1/check/gate-designate-specs-docs/d8a8a97//doc/build/html/specs/liberty/zone-exists-event.html | 17:06 |
| Kiall | Which has some the groundwork in it. | 17:07 |
| elarson | o/ | 17:07 |
| mugsie | hey elarson re are reviewing http://docs-draft.openstack.org/19/188019/1/check/gate-designate-specs-docs/d8a8a97//doc/build/html/specs/liberty/zone-exists-event.html | 17:07 |
| mugsie | we* | 17:07 |
| Kiall | Kinda.. That's different to the #topic, the specs don't build on each other in the same order as the summit sessions ;') | 17:08 |
| Kiall | Okay.. Let's circle back. Start with zone-exists-event.html .. that latest link ;) | 17:08 |
| mugsie | #topic Session 7 (Workroom) - Ceilometer Integration - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-vancouver-session-7 | 17:09 |
| elarson | mugsie: thx! | 17:09 |
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| mugsie | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/19/188019/1/check/gate-designate-specs-docs/d8a8a97//doc/build/html/specs/liberty/zone-exists-event.html | 17:09 |
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| Kiall | timsim/jmcbride/ducttape_/mlavalle/anyone else who didn't say o/ .. in case your buried in a browser reading and confused ^ | 17:09 |
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| timsim | 👍 | 17:10 |
| * timsim doesn't know if emoji thumbs up will come through for everyone :P ^ | 17:10 | |
| mugsie | nope | 17:10 |
| ducttape_ | ack | 17:10 |
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| timsim | :( | 17:12 |
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| Kiall | Re-reading it myself, I see the first gap.. jbratton was very very keen on "Ability to stagger start times throughout the hour." | 17:12 |
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| Kiall | Anyone found any other gaps or mistakes in understading / memory? | 17:13 |
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| ekarlso | o/ | 17:14 |
| elarson | fwiw s/events/eventsm | 17:14 |
| ekarlso | sorry but had to help wife with baby :) | 17:14 |
| ducttape_ | seems reasonable, but Clayton from our side would be the best reviewer | 17:14 |
| mugsie | #chair Kiall | 17:14 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Kiall mugsie | 17:14 |
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| Kiall | ducttape_: more the merrier.. We have have missed important detail during the session | 17:14 |
| Kiall | elarson: I'm not sure I follow? replace events with eventsm>? | 17:15 |
| Kiall | ah | 17:15 |
| Kiall | other way around ;) | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188018/ | 17:15 |
| Kiall | ^ actual gerrit review for the spec | 17:15 |
| elarson | yup | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | Any other gaps, anyone still reading / wrapping their head around it? | 17:16 |
| timsim | Seems to capture the spirit of what we talked about. | 17:16 |
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| Kiall | timsim: great! | 17:17 |
| mugsie | yeah - I look at specs as a "general sprirt" of what the implementations should try and end up like | 17:17 |
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| mugsie | so, with the stagared start, i thinkit covers what we talked about | 17:17 |
| Kiall | mugsie: ++ I avoided implemetation detail, because that always changes when you go to actually do it. | 17:17 |
| Kiall | Okay.. Let's move to the next one, which builds on this.. | 17:17 |
| Kiall | #topic Session 4 (Workroom) - ALIAS Records - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-vancouver-session-4 | 17:17 |
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| Kiall | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/19/188019/1/check/gate-designate-specs-docs/d8a8a97//doc/build/html/specs/liberty/alias-records.html | 17:17 |
| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188019/ | 17:18 |
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| timsim | So ALIAS records are pseudo, and the associated A records are hidden. | 17:19 |
| Kiall | timsim: exactly, that came from trying to figure out where to keep both the set's of values | 17:20 |
| timsim | I like that. | 17:20 |
| Kiall | (e.g. the ALIAS target, and the target's A/AAAA's) | 17:20 |
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| Kiall | Honestly, as we get more pseudo RRtypes (e.g. Geo) - I kinda expect that to fall over.. But it should work for Failover stuff too, which is shorter-term than Geo | 17:21 |
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| timsim | I wondered if, in terms of work items, we could start with hidden/pseudos, and then just let alias records be created, but not polled by zone-manager, and then eventually add polling, and then eventually eventually add the optimization to figure out if the CNAME is in Designate, and not have to poll | 17:21 |
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| Kiall | But - Without knowing what that really ends up looking like implementation wise, I figured keep it simple for now | 17:21 |
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| timsim | How would that work with failover? | 17:22 |
| timsim | Oh, literally a FAILOVER record type? | 17:22 |
| Kiall | FAILOVER pseudo RR ;) | 17:22 |
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| mugsie | yeah | 17:22 |
| * mugsie is personally not sold on that particular usecase | 17:23 | |
| timsim | Yeah I don't know about that...need a think | 17:23 |
| mugsie | but it could be adapted for it iof needed | 17:23 |
| mugsie | I like the implementation for tbh | 17:23 |
| mugsie | for ALAIS * | 17:23 |
| Kiall | timsim: it feels better when we finally bother to do structured rdata.. That way, the failover sets aren't crammed into a single string | 17:23 |
| timsim | I love it for ALIAS. | 17:23 |
| Kiall | Okay - So, any gaps? | 17:24 |
| mugsie | nah - it captures the spirit | 17:24 |
| timsim | I suppose we can talk about failover more later. I think I see how it could work. | 17:24 |
| mugsie | ++ | 17:25 |
| timsim | But yeah, this spec is good imo | 17:25 |
| Kiall | timsim: I added that comment to the review. | 17:25 |
| Kiall | Anyone else have comments on this one, is it what we agreed at the summit, is it sane, etc? | 17:25 |
| mugsie | last chance! | 17:26 |
| mugsie | :P | 17:26 |
| Kiall | Okay.. Moving on | 17:26 |
| mugsie | #topic Session 5 (Workroom) - Horizon Integration - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-vancouver-session-5 | 17:26 |
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| Kiall | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/73/188073/1/check/gate-designate-specs-docs/aeba007//doc/build/html/specs/liberty/horizon-integration.html | 17:26 |
| mugsie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188073/ | 17:26 |
| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188073/ | 17:27 |
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| mugsie | So, this is not so much a spec as a over spec of the discussion | 17:27 |
| mugsie | I would expect more detailed specs for each as we go | 17:27 |
| * ducttape_ perks up | 17:27 | |
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| mugsie | we left a few as questions in the summit, and I have reflected that here | 17:28 |
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| ducttape_ | that stuff helps me, thanks. right now I am working on tickets needed for our deployment, but I'd like to do some admin panels for sure | 17:28 |
| mugsie | and questions / comments / hatred of all my ideas? | 17:28 |
| timsim | so much hatred ;) | 17:29 |
| mugsie | ducttape_: np | 17:29 |
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| mugsie | :) | 17:29 |
| mugsie | the repe link is dead, as well, its not in progress | 17:29 |
| timsim | We could probably implement discovery ghetto-like with zones?name=blah.com. -H alltenants | 17:29 |
| mugsie | but it will be fore the end of day | 17:29 |
| timsim | As a start, idk. | 17:29 |
| Kiall | timsim: I see that as covererd in admin panel -all zones list | 17:29 |
| mugsie | timsim: i figure the all zones page will have filtering | 17:30 |
| Kiall | (which would have filters, and paging) | 17:30 |
| mugsie | need to add that to the spec | 17:30 |
| * ducttape_ wonders if dns really can be called gheto-style | 17:30 | |
| Kiall | mugsie: yea, looks like what I remember. This session was totally open, so no concrete actions out of it other than the rought prioritized list | 17:30 |
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| * timsim wasn't reading good | 17:30 | |
| timsim | Yeah, looks right to me | 17:30 |
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| Kiall | Okay - Since this one is so "Open", let's leave it to review comments and specs that build out of it.. | 17:31 |
| Kiall | Any last comments on .. Maybe "Why on earth isn't X listed as a priority?" etc ;) | 17:31 |
| mugsie | ++ | 17:31 |
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| Kiall | #topic Session 8 (Workroom) - Nova/Neutron Integration - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-vancouver-session-8 | 17:32 |
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| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88624/ | 17:32 |
| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88623/ | 17:32 |
| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90150/ | 17:32 |
| Kiall | 3 specs there, 1 for nova - 2 for Neutron | 17:32 |
| mlavalle | Kiall: I clieaned up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88623/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90150/ | 17:32 |
| Kiall | mlavalle has updated them over the last few days, can we take a quick review double checking things line up with the discussion - and a full review ASAP ;) | 17:33 |
| mlavalle | Kiall: I also followed up with johnthetubaguy today about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90150/. He is supportive of the effort. He said that he is just catching up with with specs reviews | 17:33 |
| mlavalle | johnthetubaguy is the nova ptl, for those who doesn't know | 17:34 |
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| Kiall | Cool :) | 17:34 |
| mlavalle | as far as https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88624, you offered to update it with the details of our Vancouver conversation | 17:35 |
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| Kiall | Did I? Oh. Right, Okay | 17:35 |
| Kiall | #action kiall to update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88624 per summit discussion | 17:35 |
| mlavalle | Kiall: why don't you take a first stab at it and then I will add my comments in gerrit? | 17:35 |
| Kiall | mlavalle: sounds good to me | 17:35 |
| mlavalle | I am also starting to write code for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88623/ this week | 17:36 |
| Kiall | I'm guessing people are still reading, there long specs! Anyone seeing anything that conflicts with summit discussion etc? | 17:36 |
| Kiall | mlavalle: :D | 17:36 |
| mugsie | No - Over they are good | 17:37 |
| mugsie | we need to update with the new API / client calls we fleshed out | 17:37 |
| mlavalle | also offered to johnthetubaguy to help implement https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88624/ | 17:37 |
| mugsie | and remoeve the duplicate check | 17:37 |
| mugsie | but ++ other wise | 17:37 |
| Kiall | Yea, Okay.. Anyone else? | 17:37 |
| mlavalle | That's all I have this week | 17:38 |
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| timsim | Looks like what I remember. | 17:39 |
| Kiall | mlavalle: perfect :) Okay, people are silent.. If you're still reading and not watching IRC, say so ;) | 17:39 |
| Kiall | timsim: Okay, any more comments - leave them on the spec pls :) | 17:39 |
| Kiall | John from InfoBlox had offererd to write up the "Non-AXFR Backends" one, but he's not here today.. | 17:40 |
| Kiall | #action circle back to Non-AXFR Backends summit review | 17:40 |
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| Kiall | Okay, that was all the sessions we felt needed a write up.. . | 17:40 |
| Kiall | with 2.5 needing be come back to next week | 17:41 |
| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:41 |
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| Kiall | 20 mins left here, any off agenda items? | 17:41 |
| timsim | The HP Helion Cloud cups are a huge hit here. | 17:41 |
| Kiall | timsim: awesome :) | 17:42 |
| Kiall | Get a photo will ya, our marketing folks would love it! | 17:42 |
| Kiall | (Not so sure about yours though ;)) | 17:42 |
| timsim | Lol, ours probably wouldn't :P | 17:42 |
| mugsie | timsim: you think? :P | 17:42 |
| mlavalle | Kiall: John from Infoblox is known as johnbelamaric in #openstack-neutron | 17:43 |
| Kiall | Yep - He's usually here for this meet, I'm assuming he's busy today as he's here nearly every week | 17:43 |
| Kiall | Okay - I guess everyone is out of off-agenda items. | 17:44 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:44 |
| Kiall | Let's call it a day, power through the last 2.5 specs next week, and actually get some of this stuff done :) | 17:45 |
| mugsie | ++ | 17:45 |
| timsim | o/ | 17:45 |
| Kiall | cya! Enjoy the 15 mins back ;) | 17:45 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 3 17:45:37 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:45 |
| mlavalle | bye | 17:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-06-03-17.01.html | 17:45 |
| timsim | lunchlunchlunch | 17:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-06-03-17.01.txt | 17:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-06-03-17.01.log.html | 17:45 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 17:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 3 17:59:52 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 17:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 17:59 |
| SlickNik | Giving folks a couple of minutes to trickle in. | 18:00 |
| * amrith trickles in slowly | 18:00 | |
| pmalik | ☺/ | 18:00 |
| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:00 |
| atomic77 | |o| \o/ --o-- | 18:00 |
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| ashleighfarnham | o/ | 18:01 |
| amrith | atomic77, what's the third one? | 18:01 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:01 |
| peterstac | \o | 18:01 |
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| atomic77 | i'm stretching :) | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | Meeting Agenda at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:01 |
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| ashleighfarnham | atomic77 i thought you were being an aeroplane | 18:01 |
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| sushilkm | i m in | 18:01 |
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| atomic77 | ashleighfarnham, haha actually now that i look at it again, it seems that way | 18:02 |
| georgelorch | o/ | 18:03 |
| mvandijk | o/ | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | Okay — Let's get started. | 18:03 |
| amrith | o---- | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | #topic Trove Pulse Update | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Trove Pulse Update (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:03 | |
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| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | Looks like we're making good process on getting open specs reviewed for liberty — and they are moving. :) | 18:05 |
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| SlickNik | Any questions / concerns with reviews? | 18:06 |
| vkmc | o/ | 18:06 |
| amrith | trying to formulate one | 18:06 |
| amrith | there seems to be a lot of activity | 18:06 |
| amrith | I'm trying to get a sense for progress | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | So, what metric would you use for progress as opposed to activity? | 18:07 |
| amrith | I'm not sure | 18:08 |
| amrith | let me take an action item on that | 18:08 |
| amrith | no point having everyone watch me think (hint: it is boring, like paint drying) | 18:08 |
| SlickNik | I'm specifically looking at the "Changes merged in the last 7 days" for that. | 18:08 |
| peterstac | yeah, 10 seems to be a fairly good number there | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | We're at 10 — which seems to be par for most weeks. | 18:09 |
| amrith | double the reviews (106 vs 213), double the reviewers (12 vs 21), yet total open reviews is about the same. | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | more substantial / controversial changes might explain that. | 18:10 |
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| amrith | I don't know that we've had anything really that controvertial in the last week | 18:10 |
| pmalik | Reviews come and go. There is a ton of -1 patchsets with no progress. | 18:11 |
| amrith | pmalik, may have the answer. | 18:11 |
| pmalik | It just happens the net number of open reviews is roughly constant. | 18:11 |
| pmalik | Also because the number of stale reviews is so large. | 18:12 |
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| SlickNik | pmalik: There's only so much time folks have for updating patchsets — If a -1 patchset isn't updated / replied to it's going to stay that way. Not sure what the solution here is. | 18:13 |
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| edmondk | expire patchsets would be the answer | 18:14 |
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| sushilkm | yup, the auto-job to abandon -1 patches does not works any more ... and the queue keeps up growing | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | #action SlickNik to follow up with Infra folks to see what happened to the auto-abandon job. | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | Okay, I'll take that action item. | 18:16 |
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| SlickNik | Anything else before we move on? | 18:17 |
| amrith | So, the key seems to be the 1st quartile time | 18:17 |
| amrith | it is now 6 days | 18:17 |
| amrith | a week ago it was 11 hours. | 18:17 |
| amrith | Oddly enough, the 3rd quartile was 18 days but in a week it has become 35 days. | 18:17 |
| * SlickNik thinks there's only one more item on the agenda — so it's okay to spend a few more minutes on this. | 18:17 | |
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| ashleighfarnham | what do you mean by 1st quartile time? | 18:18 |
| amrith | all set (for now). don't want to make everyone spend a lot of time on this. | 18:18 |
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| dougshelley66 | amrith - a week ago it was 11 days, no? | 18:18 |
| amrith | better to think about it and post more details later. | 18:18 |
| amrith | dougshelley66, that was average. | 18:19 |
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| amrith | 10d 21h | 18:19 |
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| SlickNik | Also there have been a couple of really old changes that were restored lately - that could be messing with the average times. | 18:19 |
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| SlickNik | Okay, let's move on. | 18:20 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Next steps on protected instance review. | 18:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Next steps on protected instance review. (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:21 | |
| amrith | moving right along ... | 18:21 |
| amrith | was wondering what we want to do with this | 18:21 |
| amrith | a couple of you have reviewed it (thanks). | 18:21 |
| amrith | shayneburgess_, has some good points | 18:21 |
| dougshelley66 | how does this mess with the spec from Bruno | 18:21 |
| amrith | but not something that gates our pushing it forward to Nova. | 18:21 |
| dougshelley66 | s/mess/mesh | 18:21 |
| amrith | then (as dougshelley66 points out) there's a note from Bruno | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | I think the next step is to take the discussion to the mailing list and have folks from other projects chime in. | 18:22 |
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| amrith | I agree SlickNik | 18:22 |
| amrith | The question is this ... | 18:22 |
| amrith | I think Bruno's note is more prescriptive and a bit more opinionated than I like | 18:22 |
| amrith | but that's my point of view | 18:22 |
| * amrith realizes that some people are saying Bruno who? | 18:22 | |
| amrith | Bruno is the guy from CatalystIT | 18:23 |
| dougshelley66 | why didn't he send that to the ML | 18:23 |
| amrith | Well, we've been pestering him | 18:23 |
| amrith | and he sent us a reply to an email thread. | 18:23 |
| amrith | I would like to take something (TBD) and hurl it at the ML today. | 18:23 |
| amrith | it has been two weeks since Vancouver and there are only 24 before the next release. | 18:23 |
| amrith | so if we want stuff to happen in Liberty, time is our enemy | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | amrith: I basically sent him a reply to the same effect. | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | I'd really like to get something on the ML asap | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | I'm sure that this will generate enough discussion once it's on the ML as well. | 18:24 |
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| amrith | so, may I post my notes and a link to the trove review to the ML | 18:25 |
| amrith | that way, we get feedback in a structured way | 18:25 |
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| amrith | rather than having to read the mail threads and de-multiplex them and the various ratholes that could result | 18:25 |
| tobe | Hi all | 18:25 |
| SlickNik | amrith: I'm good with that. | 18:26 |
| SlickNik | hi tobe | 18:26 |
| amrith | thx SlickNik ... hi tobe, go ahead. | 18:26 |
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| tobe | Thansk amrith SlickNik . I'm a little late :) | 18:27 |
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| SlickNik | Okay, anything more on this topic? | 18:28 |
| amrith | not for me, thanks all. | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | tobe: not a problem — better late than never :) | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:29 |
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| SlickNik | Anything for open discussion? | 18:30 |
| johnma | I have one and this is regarding nosql datastores | 18:30 |
| johnma | specifically related to database and user management functionalities we have specs for some of those datastores. | 18:31 |
| SlickNik | johnma: sure, go for it. | 18:31 |
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| johnma | I remember last time (during Kilo) why none of these datastores implemented th database and user management functionalities | 18:32 |
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| johnma | I dont remember the exact reason given for it but now with alot of specs to implement this for some nosql datastores, i am wondering whether this becomes a requirement to move them from experiemental to stable | 18:33 |
| johnma | I think the reason given then was there wasnt a need since these datastores already provided a UI for these functionalities | 18:34 |
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| * amrith doesn't remember that explanation | 18:35 | |
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| SlickNik | johnma: user / db management have been considered API extensions, and I don't think this is currently a requirement for the move from experimental to stable. | 18:35 |
| pmalik | johma I think experimental -> stable is more about the amount of testing (+ some minimal functionality) | 18:35 |
| amrith | also don't see the rationale for that; mysql also provides a UI for this. | 18:35 |
| johnma | i am trying to find the link to that | 18:36 |
| cp16net | hi everyone | 18:36 |
| amrith | hi cp16net | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | hey | 18:36 |
| peterstac | hi cp16net | 18:36 |
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| cp16net | :-D | 18:37 |
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| dougshelley66 | cp16net, can't you come up with something more original? | 18:37 |
| SlickNik | johnma: Okay — maybe this is something I can take offline with you and help clarify further. | 18:37 |
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| amrith | That's fine, you are forgiven, you are the "new guy". | 18:38 |
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| amrith | Welcome to Trove ;) | 18:38 |
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| tobe | johnma: You mean providing a web UI to execute sql or other nosql operations, right? | 18:38 |
| cp16net | amrith: you are going to have to help me understand what "trove" is since i'm the new guy | 18:38 |
| johnma | yeah, in the mean time I will try to find the link. I dont have any problems with implementing these features. Was just curious if something changed from last time in terms of implementing these features. Thats all | 18:38 |
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| amrith | johnma, I think it has always been an issue of prioritization. | 18:39 |
| amrith | as people start using a datastore, they will progress along with the capabilities. | 18:39 |
| johnma | that makes sense to me. | 18:39 |
| amrith | initially a single instance is fine, later you need more capabilities. | 18:39 |
| amrith | one of the benefits of trove | 18:39 |
| amrith | is that it simplifies usage | 18:39 |
| amrith | giving you one interface to a plurality of databases. | 18:40 |
| amrith | the fact that you can create a user on mysql the same way you would on ibm/db2 | 18:40 |
| amrith | is a great simplicity. | 18:40 |
| amrith | and people want that. | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | johnma: I think the user / db mgmt features are being added because folks are asking for them as datastores evolve. it's not born out of experimental -> stable graduation requirements. | 18:40 |
| amrith | but it won't be the thing that makes them want to use a particular datastore. | 18:40 |
| amrith | hence the rationale for the sequence. | 18:40 |
| johnma | ok, that sounds good to me | 18:40 |
| amrith | sorry if it wasn't clear | 18:40 |
| amrith | but if you'd like to clarify it in the document that describes the phases, that would be welcome. | 18:41 |
| SlickNik | Sounds good. | 18:41 |
| johnma | thanks Amrith & SlickNik. | 18:41 |
| SlickNik | Any other items for open discussion? | 18:41 |
| amrith | cp16net, I'm writing a book about it. Will send you a copy. It will help you get "up to speed". | 18:41 |
| SlickNik | . | 18:42 |
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| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 3 18:42:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-06-03-17.59.html | 18:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-06-03-17.59.txt | 18:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-06-03-17.59.log.html | 18:42 |
| SlickNik | Thanks all! | 18:42 |
| johnma | Thanks | 18:42 |
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| tobe | The book about trove. We need this, too! amrith | 18:43 |
| amrith | tobe, the book is soon tobe available on Amazon ;) | 18:43 |
| cp16net | amrith: thx :-P | 18:43 |
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| SlickNik | tobe: A little birdie tells me it's in the works. | 18:43 |
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| SlickNik | heh, amrith — I see what you did there. | 18:44 |
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| tobe | Please send me the copy. I can't wait to see it :) | 18:44 |
| amrith | SlickNik, nice tobe noticed ;) | 18:45 |
| tobe | It would be the best book for the beginners like me | 18:45 |
| tobe | You know, best tutorial | 18:46 |
| amrith | tobe, let's go to #openstack-trove | 18:46 |
| tobe | I'm a little curious that the document of trove is some kind of poor | 18:47 |
| tobe | amrith: okay :-) | 18:47 |
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| xgerman | @startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
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| xgerman | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 3 20:00:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| blogan | hello! | 20:00 |
| xgerman | #chair blogan | 20:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: blogan xgerman | 20:00 |
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| blogan | just you and me xgerman | 20:01 |
| blogan | lets talk about our feelings | 20:01 |
| dougwig | o/ | 20:01 |
| xgerman | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Agenda | 20:01 |
| madhu_ak | hi | 20:01 |
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| xgerman | brogan that became a crowd pretty quick | 20:01 |
| xgerman | #topic Announcements | 20:01 |
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| xgerman | sbalukoff has to wear a blue suite or something | 20:02 |
| johnsom | o/ | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:02 |
| blogan | sbalukoff no more crazy hats | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | I'm wearing one today, and specifically did so for the group photo. XD | 20:02 |
| blogan | lol | 20:02 |
| xgerman | I bet it says IBM | 20:03 |
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| johnsom | Did you get your copy of the "Songs of IBM" yet? | 20:03 |
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| xgerman | moving on | 20:04 |
| xgerman | Hotels are getting tight for Midcycle: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LBaaS-FWaaS-VPNaaS_Summer_Midcycle_meetup - make sure to book and mark yourself booked in the ether pad | 20:04 |
| dougwig | getting tight is an understatement. | 20:04 |
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| sballe | o/ | 20:04 |
| blogan | id idnt think the midcycle would be such a big draw to take up all the hotels in seattle | 20:04 |
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| xgerman | we even checked other weeks and things are bad throughout the summer | 20:05 |
| dougwig | i'm in the hampton, 1.4 miles away. | 20:05 |
| ajmiller | o/ | 20:05 |
| Aish | o/ | 20:05 |
| xgerman | we got the Renaissance | 20:05 |
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| xgerman | weirdly it got cheaper when we added days | 20:05 |
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| xgerman | we have a few backyards people can camp at :-) | 20:06 |
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| * TrevorV_ late... RIP | 20:06 | |
| xgerman | blogan requested a dog house.. working on that :-) | 20:07 |
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| blogan | a portable dog house | 20:07 |
| blogan | on wheels | 20:07 |
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| xgerman | so it can be towed? | 20:07 |
| blogan | obviously | 20:07 |
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| xgerman | Protected instances (service VM) proposal https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186357/ and there are plans for a nova blueprint | 20:08 |
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| blogan | what is the tldr version of that? | 20:08 |
| blogan | protected instances so nova won't clean them up if they do some kind of cleanup? | 20:08 |
| xgerman | no | 20:08 |
| xgerman | the trove and cue people don’t like the idea of a service tenant | 20:08 |
| xgerman | so they like to put their service vas into each tenants space | 20:09 |
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| blogan | oh really? | 20:09 |
| xgerman | but the tenant shall not be able to access them | 20:09 |
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| dougwig | oh my, that has some crazy network implications. | 20:09 |
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| blogan | i don't like the diea of a user seeing the load balancer amphora | 20:09 |
| blogan | they shouldn't know it exists | 20:09 |
| xgerman | well, that’s where shadow tenants come in | 20:09 |
| ajmiller | How are quotas handled? | 20:09 |
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| dougwig | how is a shadow tenant different than a service tenant? | 20:10 |
| xgerman | ajmiller that stuff is still in early discussion | 20:10 |
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| ajmiller | ok | 20:10 |
| xgerman | each user gets one | 20:10 |
| blogan | shadow tenant for every tenant | 20:10 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:10 |
| blogan | which sounds yuck | 20:10 |
| dougwig | hmm, why? | 20:10 |
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| xgerman | they like the isolation nova provides between different tenants | 20:11 |
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| xgerman | and don’t like to put all their vas under one service tenant since they loose that isolation | 20:11 |
| dougwig | "they" ? | 20:11 |
| xgerman | vas=vms | 20:11 |
| blogan | trove | 20:11 |
| dougwig | trove devs or users? | 20:11 |
| xgerman | they=cue, trove, etc. | 20:11 |
| xgerman | not sure how much they consulted users | 20:11 |
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| dougwig | hmm, interesting, thanks for bringing it up. | 20:12 |
| blogan | octavia would still need a mgmt network connected to all the amphorae anyway, so that isolation is kind of moot no? | 20:12 |
| blogan | unless we started spinning up mgmt networks for each tenant | 20:12 |
| blogan | or load balancer | 20:12 |
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| rm_work | <_< | 20:13 |
| xgerman | yeah, I can see some use from the sharing over tenants | 20:13 |
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| xgerman | since there probably are limits how many vas a nova tenant can realistically control | 20:14 |
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| xgerman | sharding | 20:14 |
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| xgerman | anyhow, it’s early in their thinking | 20:14 |
| blogan | we should probably talk with amrith a bit | 20:14 |
| rm_work | ah yeah, that's interesting -- if we have 5000 VMs on one nova tennant, is that a problem? O_o | 20:14 |
| xgerman | rm_work yep | 20:15 |
| blogan | large numbers are never a problem | 20:15 |
| rm_work | heh | 20:15 |
| rm_work | such webscale | 20:15 |
| dougwig | it's a problem if you hate money. oh wait, this is open-source, so you do. | 20:15 |
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| blogan | if money = dougwig, yes | 20:15 |
| johnsom | The iptables issues start showing up after ~200-250 from what I have seen | 20:16 |
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| blogan | iptables bc of security groups? | 20:16 |
| johnsom | Maybe kilo is better | 20:16 |
| sballe | johnsom: can you recap the issue in one line? | 20:16 |
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| johnsom | The way the iptables are updated when a tenant adds/removes an instance causes delays as all of the hosts update their iptables | 20:17 |
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| blogan | is that only with security groups enabled though? | 20:18 |
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| blogan | or is iptables being used for something else | 20:18 |
| blogan | i'm sure it is | 20:18 |
| blogan | but just curious | 20:18 |
| johnsom | There was a proposal on the table to us ip sets to reduce the number of rules required to update, but I don't know if it made it in | 20:19 |
| xgerman | yeah, there probably are quite a few scaling issues and sharing over tons of tenants might alleviate them | 20:19 |
| xgerman | sharding | 20:19 |
| xgerman | anyhow, moving on | 20:19 |
| xgerman | Global Load Balancing | 20:19 |
| xgerman | dougwig + I went to some inaugural meeting on that | 20:20 |
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| blogan | i missed it, day off yesterday | 20:20 |
| rm_work | ah, i wanted to go to that, but i guess i didn't see the time | 20:20 |
| rm_work | didn't know it happened already | 20:20 |
| dougwig | it's the lbaas meeting slot, happening again next week | 20:20 |
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| dougwig | minutes were sent to ML | 20:20 |
| xgerman | yep, right now they are looking for use cases | 20:21 |
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| xgerman | just wanted to raise awareness | 20:21 |
| rm_work | i feel like we went through a lot of this about a year ago or so | 20:21 |
| johnsom | Yeah, didn't see that either. Have they picked an approach yet? | 20:21 |
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| rm_work | I wonder if any of the work we did would be useful | 20:21 |
| dougwig | johnsom: no, not yet. | 20:21 |
| xgerman | yeah, still collecting use cases | 20:21 |
| xgerman | but we know it will involve LBaaS and Desihgnate | 20:22 |
| blogan | would lbaas's responsibility be spinning up the reginal load balancers? | 20:22 |
| xgerman | yeah, likely | 20:22 |
| blogan | and GLBaaS would be just orchestrating Designate and LBaaS | 20:23 |
| dougwig | blogan: not really, gslb is more about picking the right A record, which involves a lot of health monitoring like LB's. | 20:23 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:23 |
| rm_work | yeah | 20:23 |
| dougwig | now that we contradicted each other. :) | 20:23 |
| blogan | okay so then what would LBaaS do? | 20:23 |
| rm_work | we had started working on some stuff involving PowerDNS and a custom backend | 20:23 |
| xgerman | dougwig is right | 20:23 |
| blogan | i always thought this was more a DNS product | 20:23 |
| rm_work | yeah | 20:23 |
| rm_work | it is essentially DNS | 20:23 |
| xgerman | well, you need orchestration | 20:23 |
| rm_work | but IIRC designate's model didn't work well for it | 20:23 |
| johnsom | My guess is they think we have some health monitoring they can use | 20:23 |
| dougwig | not really just DNS, no. | 20:23 |
| johnsom | Not sure I agree, but that would be my guess | 20:24 |
| dougwig | well, it's just DNS in as much as load-balancing is just echoing tcp. :) | 20:25 |
| blogan | so a nameserver would give otu A records to load balancers right (using some algorithm)? | 20:25 |
| xgerman | well, they also want geo | 20:25 |
| blogan | hence the algorithm | 20:25 |
| xgerman | anyway, there is an extra meeting so let’s defer to that | 20:25 |
| dougwig | gives out A records to anything. it's half the puzzle, which can be combined with regional LB's, but it's not required. IMO. | 20:25 |
| blogan | xgerman: good idea | 20:26 |
| xgerman | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:26 |
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| dougwig | the octavia neutron driver is so awesome that it's now modifying itself. it's AI self is named ptoohil, and it added TLS support. | 20:27 |
| blogan | lol | 20:27 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:27 |
| johnsom | I have mostly been doing maintenance activities, i.e. fixing the broken unit tests due to wsme changes, etc. | 20:27 |
| blogan | i hope ptoohill does not become self aware | 20:27 |
| blogan | he will destroy all of us | 20:27 |
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| ptoohill | :D | 20:28 |
| ptoohill | MUwhahaha | 20:28 |
| TrevorV_ | PUT updates are WiP again, testing thoroughly this time. Also, the bug fix for lb-deletion is almost ready for review, though I think some more bugs were found during its testin. | 20:28 |
| TrevorV_ | shut up, pothole | 20:28 |
| TrevorV_ | :P | 20:28 |
| ptoohill | :( | 20:28 |
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| ptoohill | On that note, I have been heads down on some internal stuffs. I may be on this for a couple more weeks. So, besides some small updates here and there i've not done much. I was in the process of updating neutron-lbaas to handle the consumer registration. and i forgot to update tests in the hook tls patch, otherwise that patch is 'ready'. | 20:30 |
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| xgerman | cool | 20:30 |
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| johnsom | I will also be slightly distracted setting up the sonar trial we talked about last week. | 20:31 |
| blogan | i have an update on the next topic | 20:31 |
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| xgerman | #topic How to solve tightly coupled drivers (compute, network, amphora) | 20:32 |
| xgerman | brogan the floor is yours | 20:32 |
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| blogan | okay so first question, do we want any combination of compute driver, network driver, and amphora driver to work with each other no matter which one is actually used? | 20:32 |
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| blogan | that was always my assumption, though now i don't think its easy to do | 20:33 |
| blogan | by this i mean, any amphora driver can be used with any network driver | 20:33 |
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| xgerman | yep, mix&match is pretty | 20:33 |
| blogan | i agree | 20:33 |
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| blogan | but problem is when a network is hot plugged to an amphora, the interface may or may not need to be raised on the amphora | 20:34 |
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| blogan | i dont know i guess the way it is right now the network driver and amphora driver are tightly coupled with the plug_vip and post_plug_vip methods | 20:35 |
| dougwig | doesn't that imply a nic flap interface needs to be in the amphora driver? | 20:35 |
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| blogan | dougwig: would that automatically detect a new itnerface and raise it? | 20:35 |
| blogan | and vice versa when unplugging | 20:36 |
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| dougwig | no, it'd be a method in the amphora driver that the network driver would call on changes. | 20:36 |
| blogan | oh thats the post_network_plug method | 20:36 |
| xgerman | yeah | 20:36 |
| blogan | and post_vip_plug methods | 20:36 |
| xgerman | yeah, they are speced | 20:36 |
| johnsom | Yep, have those. We don't call directly from amp driver, we call from the controller worker | 20:37 |
| blogan | but what is done in those method has to know what the network driver's plug_network and plug_vip method do | 20:37 |
| blogan | which makes them tightly coupled | 20:37 |
| dougwig | from a high-level it sounds to me like we don't have the right interfaces defined. | 20:38 |
| blogan | i agree | 20:38 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:38 |
| blogan | we could move the vip plugging and network plugging into the amp driver, which would solve it but that doesn't make sense to have thsoe methods in the amp driver | 20:38 |
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| blogan | i think this is going to require more brainstorming so table that | 20:39 |
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| blogan | the other thing i explored was should we allow drivers to call other drivers with their methods | 20:39 |
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| blogan | and xgerman brought this up last week that this would invite recursive driver calling because since we wan't to mix and match, we can't guarantee taht one driver will not call the other driver backa nd forth | 20:40 |
| dougwig | the recursion would only happen if the driver methods are too large, so that goes back to the interface maybe not being right. | 20:41 |
| sballe | +1 | 20:41 |
| blogan | too specific and you lose flexibility though | 20:41 |
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| blogan | bc the controller worker calls these methods in a set order | 20:42 |
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| blogan | the whole poitn of the plug_vip method was to solve for different ways that all of us have to actually set up a VIP | 20:42 |
| xgerman | we can change that - conditional flow is pretty close... | 20:42 |
| dougwig | plug_vip is in the network driver, right? so maybe the amphora driver needs a plug_nic, and i'm fine with it being called by the network driver. | 20:43 |
| blogan | i hate to say it, we may need to have some kind of pluggable flow runner | 20:43 |
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| blogan | so the amphora driver with that method would have to call neutron to plug a nic | 20:43 |
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| blogan | right? | 20:44 |
| johnsom | I thought we had a pluggable flow runner, called task flow in the controller worker. We may just not be using it in the best way | 20:44 |
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| dougwig | we need a whiteboard. write down the interfaces in three columns . draw some arrows. break it down as needed. | 20:44 |
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| xgerman | that means we need ti wait for the mid cycle? | 20:44 |
| blogan | maybe | 20:44 |
| dougwig | you're welcome to solve it sooner, but it's beyond IRC for me at this point :) | 20:45 |
| blogan | probably best, but we all kind of think of the problem and bring solutions | 20:45 |
| xgerman | so if we throw mix and match out of the window and make something which works and the refactor? | 20:45 |
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| blogan | im all for getting it working | 20:46 |
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| xgerman | same here | 20:46 |
| xgerman | and if we need to refactor the interface so be it | 20:46 |
| johnsom | I don't want to walk away from mix and match yet. I think we have limited use cases at the moment that makes the abstraction hard | 20:46 |
| blogan | johnsom: i think he's saying just get it working now and get mix and match working at the midcycle | 20:47 |
| blogan | or at least a path forward on it | 20:47 |
| johnsom | blogan: +1 to that | 20:47 |
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| johnsom | Easy is to pass in the subnet info via taskflow storage | 20:48 |
| blogan | yeah i think thats what we'll ahve to do, but then we'll have to pass in a collection of subnet info as well but thats solveable | 20:48 |
| johnsom | Yep | 20:49 |
| xgerman | yeah, we need to revisit our flows and the input/output | 20:49 |
| xgerman | and hopefully we can streamline | 20:49 |
| johnsom | Yes! | 20:49 |
| blogan | question, were yall still planning on using a spare pool of amphorae? | 20:50 |
| xgerman | up in the air | 20:50 |
| johnsom | Yes, I think so. You aren't? | 20:50 |
| johnsom | Just going to boot as needed? | 20:51 |
| blogan | not right way since we're spinning up containers | 20:51 |
| blogan | and talking to alex at the summit he was intrigued by doing something similar (lxd i think) | 20:51 |
| xgerman | yep, we need to reassess | 20:51 |
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| xgerman | especially with VRRP hitting earlier | 20:52 |
| johnsom | Yeah, there is interest in containers | 20:52 |
| blogan | but having a spare pool that works fun woudl still save a few seconds | 20:52 |
| blogan | fun = fine | 20:52 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:52 |
| blogan | but containers can't hot plug | 20:52 |
| blogan | at least magnum can't yet and neither can our internal container solution | 20:52 |
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| blogan | which makes the spare pool harder to do | 20:53 |
| blogan | and really just the entire workflow | 20:53 |
| johnsom | Yep | 20:53 |
| xgerman | we can probably drop the spare pool for now | 20:53 |
| blogan | well put it low priority | 20:53 |
| johnsom | I still think there is value | 20:54 |
| blogan | enough value to make it a high priority? | 20:54 |
| blogan | like put it before health manager? | 20:54 |
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| johnsom | No | 20:54 |
| johnsom | Health manager is higher for sure | 20:55 |
| blogan | okay, i think we're on the same page then | 20:55 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:55 |
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| blogan | ok im done for now | 20:56 |
| xgerman | #topic Open Discussion | 20:56 |
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| blogan | jurassic world? | 20:58 |
| xgerman | anything? | 20:58 |
| johnsom | blogan no the delete member fix, I lean towards doing refactoring in a patchset so we don't end up with partial refactoring in the repo. It's just a different style thing. | 20:58 |
| blogan | johnsom: i just updated my comments :) | 20:58 |
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| johnsom | Yeah, you and xgerman are advocating doing this part now, so I will work on that for the delete member flow. | 20:59 |
| blogan | basically, its not a big deal to me and getting it working is mroe important | 20:59 |
| xgerman | I am just saying if we want to do it we need to start somewhere :-) | 20:59 |
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| blogan | it will bother me like crazy so dont worry i will end up doing it one night | 21:00 |
| blogan | but there is value it just getting it working | 21:00 |
| johnsom | I will also open two bugs, one to fix the constants and one to streamline the storage | 21:00 |
| xgerman | open bugs is good | 21:00 |
| blogan | no bugs is good too :) | 21:00 |
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| xgerman | oh, we are out of tinme | 21:00 |
| blogan | talk to yall later | 21:00 |
| xgerman | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 3 21:00:54 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vancouver Design Summit (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-06-03-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| blogan | another meeting :( | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-06-03-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-06-03-20.00.log.html | 21:01 |
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| xgerman | thanks! | 21:01 |
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