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| dhellmann | #startmeeting oslo | 16:06 |
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| amrith | ./ | 16:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 27 16:06:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:06 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:06 |
| dims | o/ | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | yo | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | sorry, everyone | 16:06 |
| rpodolyaka1 | o/ | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | our agenda: | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping for jd__, dims, bnemec, flaper87, harlowja, viktors, rpodolyaka, zzzeek, sileht, kgiusti, dansmith, sdague | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping for redrobot, jungleboyj, zhiyan, therve, amotoki, GheRivero, bknudson, ihrachyshka, jogo, dougwig, sreshetnyak, amrith | 16:06 |
| amrith | fancy meeting y'all again ... been a while. | 16:06 |
| * jungleboyj is so confused | 16:06 | |
| * dhellmann is glad dims is taking over next week | 16:06 | |
| bnemec | Ah, so that wasn't intentional. :-) | 16:06 |
| jecarey | o/ | 16:06 |
| dims | :) | 16:06 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:06 |
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| dhellmann | jungleboyj: sorry, I didn't notice I was in the wrong window | 16:07 |
| * redrobot is also somewhat confused | 16:07 | |
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| dhellmann | FTR, I'll hand over the chair to dims next week, but I figured I'd help out since he was away last week | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:07 | |
| dims | dhellmann: thanks! | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | 'thanks again to harlowja_away for running the meeting last week | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | np | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-04-20-16.00.log.html | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | it was jee golly fun | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | #info harlowja_at_home poke dhellmann with stick about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163163/ | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | he did, and I added a comment | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | a couple of weeks back we had said we would approve some of the specs | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:08 |
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| dims | deja vu | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | I did that with some, but someone edited my notes and now I don't have the links | 16:08 |
| * dhellmann glares at dims | 16:09 | |
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| dims | sorry dhellmann! | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | I think it was just http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/oslo-specs/specs/policy/test-tools.html actually | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | the one on oslo.log (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164851/) is ready, I think -- sdague has told me he was thinking of another approach, but that he believes this one might work | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | or something to that effect | 16:10 |
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| dhellmann | there are quite a lot of other specs up for review | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo-specs+is:open,n,z | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | we can talk more about that when we get to liberty planning | 16:11 |
| dims | dhellmann: so i can Workflow+1 the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164851/ today | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | dims: sounds good | 16:11 |
| zzzeek | o/ | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:11 | |
| bknudson | none for keystone | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | none for Cinder | 16:12 |
| dims | dhellmann: do we have a list of people (and their projects) who volunteered to be liaisons? | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | dims: good question, we need to send out a new request for volunteers | 16:13 |
| bknudson | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 16:13 |
| dims | dhellmann: ack, i'll do that | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | the list is in the wiki at ^^ (thanks bknudson ) | 16:13 |
| dims | thanks bknudson | 16:13 |
| bnemec | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 16:13 |
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| dhellmann | we also need to sort out volunteers from our team to be liaisons for other teams (like release and qa) | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | dims: I'm happy to stay on as the doc team liaison | 16:14 |
| dims | dhellmann: thanks | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | dims: and for the logging working group | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | we should get someone else involved in the stable branch work, so we have more training there | 16:15 |
| dims | anyone interested in the other groups, please let me know | 16:15 |
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| dims | right dhellmann | 16:15 |
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| dhellmann | #action dims send email to -dev list requesting volunteers for liaisons | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | #info dhellmann to be oslo liaison to documentation team for liberty | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | #info dhellmann to be oslo liaison to logging working group for liberty | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | #topic Releases for this week | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases for this week (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:16 | |
| dhellmann | #info oslo.messaging 1.8.2 for kilo (this release includes fixes related to the heartbeat feature) | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | I'll tag that as soon as we get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177772 to merge | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | are there any other releases needed? | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | not that i know | 16:17 |
| dims | i did not see any other requests | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | ok, we can look at the unreleased changes between now and next week and make plans for next week if we have others | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | #topic Ongoing work & Review priorities | 16:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ongoing work & Review priorities (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:18 | |
| dhellmann | we have quite a few specs open, as mentioned earlier | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack%2Foslo-specs+is:open,n,z | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | we need to settle on which we're going to try to finish for sure in liberty | 16:19 |
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| dhellmann | though we tend to approve new ones at any point in the cycle, so that won't be the full list, just the start | 16:19 |
| dims | right | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | for some of those older than 4 months, should we just abandon them? | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | or put nice comment, saying something, then abandon? | 16:19 |
| dims | +1 to nice comment first | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | :-) That usually works best | 16:20 |
| * harlowja_at_home wonders what our policy should be for that (its not that important, just wondering) | 16:20 | |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: based on that email thread from a while back, I think abandoning sends the wrong message. A nice message and a -1 seems better, and we'll just leave them out of our reviews. | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:20 |
| dims | dhellmann: i'd even wait a week before -1 | 16:20 |
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| dhellmann | dims: sure | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | we could put a nice cat picture and then -1 (who doesn't like nice cat pictures, lol) | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | heh | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | are there any other critical issues to be looking at? | 16:21 |
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| dims | dhellmann: the oslo.messaging is the only one | 16:22 |
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| dhellmann | ok, good | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | #topic liberty planning | 16:22 |
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| dhellmann | as with the kilo summit, we need to be working together on the schedule | 16:22 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: is there a calendar of some kind ? | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | we can leave it up to dims to decide when to schedule something, but we should help him out with deciding *what* to discuss | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-oslo-summit-planning | 16:23 |
| dims | zzzeek: we have slots | 16:23 |
| dims | #link https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/design+summit/Oslo | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: the slot schedule is at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VsFdRYGbX5eCde81XDV7TrPBfEC7cgtOFikruYmqbPY/edit#gid=569963128 | 16:23 |
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| zzzeek | dhellmann: ah! yes this is what i was looking for | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | oh, or that easier to read form :-) | 16:23 |
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| dims | y either one | 16:23 |
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| zzzeek | ah great | 16:24 |
| zzzeek | so this is everyone! great | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | we will have even more overlap than usual with other projects because we asked for and received more slots | 16:24 |
| dims | please see the "Doug's proposed allocation" at the end of the etherpad | 16:24 |
| bnemec | Yeah, when I was checking boxes for my personal schedule there was a lot of Oslo. :-) | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | as dims said, my first take at a schedule is at the bottom of the etherpad | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool, looks like yet another super-fun summit :-P | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | I came up with 8 fishbowl out of 9, and 8 working out of 8 | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | I have a couple of proposals for what to do with the extra fishbowl session | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | given the recent conversations about deprecation, I proposed a new topic on line 208 | 16:26 |
| * harlowja_at_home keeps on thinking of https://tinyurl.com/pk8amfa (or similar) when fishbowl is mentioned, lol | 16:26 | |
| bknudson | bring SCUBA gear. | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | several proposed sessions need "drivers" for the meeting | 16:26 |
| dims | ++ | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | in the past we've said we wouldn't hold sessions without a driver, so we need folks to step up for those | 16:26 |
| dims | dhellmann: earlier we start filling up the sched.org the better it is for everyone to plan their schedule i think | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | if you're interested in the deprecation topic, please add your name to the list so we know if that's a useful idea or if we should discuss something else instead | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | +1 | 16:28 |
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| bknudson | the fewer oslo topics there are the more other groups we can barge in on. | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:29 |
| bknudson | there's already a lot of overlap with keystone sessions :( | 16:29 |
| dims | bknudson: reminds me, is there a policy session in your track? | 16:30 |
| morganfainberg | dims: we haven't defined the sessions yet | 16:30 |
| morganfainberg | dims: that is planned for tomorrow. | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: yeah, I'm going to be running back and forth between sessions in other tracks all week | 16:30 |
| bknudson | I think there will be a lot of discussions around policy. | 16:30 |
| dims | morganfainberg: ok | 16:30 |
| morganfainberg | and i do expect a ton of discussion around policy | 16:30 |
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| morganfainberg | dims: i was holding off on sessions until we had liberty priorities lined up | 16:31 |
| morganfainberg | dims: which is also tomorrow | 16:31 |
| dims | :) | 16:31 |
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| dims | is there anything people really wanted to talk about but not in the list? | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | I left out 2 sessions from the original proposal list, "something something new libraries" and "improving developer docs". Were those particularly important to anyone? | 16:33 |
| bknudson | they're important... not sure that a session is reqd for either. | 16:33 |
| dims | right bknudson | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | right, I meant the sessions | 16:33 |
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| bknudson | there's nothing graduating? | 16:34 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home: help me come up with catchy titles for sessions? :) | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141961/ | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: working session #1 is to figure that out | 16:35 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ^ maybe new library that i'd like to make (ironic has copied it into itself) | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, sureee, will help with title,s ha | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: maybe we can include that in working session #1? make it about new libs not just graduations? | 16:36 |
| bknudson | I'm looking forward to a bunch of meetings with "something something" | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | I want to get morganfainberg's strictabc stuff into a library asap | 16:36 |
| zzzeek | can someone constrast “fishbowl” with “working” room styles for me quick | 16:36 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: the more vague we make it, the less likely we'll have people who won't have useful contributions? :-) | 16:36 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann: I'll roll that up into a github repo as my next priority | 16:36 |
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| dhellmann | zzzeek: a fishbowl session is like what you experienced at the last summit, with contributors up front and observers spread out in the back of the room | 16:37 |
| dims | fishbowl - traditional one or two rows of active participants and everyone else listening in. | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | a working session is a smaller room, and just contributors | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, sure, sounds good | 16:37 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: k | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | morganfainberg: ++ | 16:37 |
| morganfainberg | zzzeek: working rooms are much smaller. | 16:37 |
| dims | working - square or round everyone actually doing something together | 16:37 |
| dims | not much fun to look at | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: we wanted a way to get just the actual contributors together in a room to do some actual design work | 16:37 |
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| bknudson | the workroom sessions should be more like a meetup. | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: cool, I'll update the notes | 16:38 |
| bknudson | like the midcycle meeupts | 16:38 |
| bknudson | meetups | 16:38 |
| dims | bknudson: you mean mid-cycle stule | 16:38 |
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| dims | y | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: not having been to one, I'm not sure what those look like either | 16:39 |
| bknudson | you are invited to the keystone one. | 16:39 |
| dims | :) | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | aw, thanks! :-) | 16:39 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann: yes come to keystone midcycle ;) | 16:40 |
| dims | should we have a oslo mid-cycle too? :) | 16:40 |
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| bknudson | do you want to get stuff done? might want to have one. | 16:40 |
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| bnemec | In Hawaii please. ;-) | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | dims: we did, during juno -- jd__ & the other enovance folks hosted it | 16:40 |
| dims | bknudson: +++++ | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: somewhere cool during the summer, please | 16:40 |
| dims | bnemec: ++ | 16:40 |
| bknudson | I think the nova midcycle is here in rochester ( bnemec ) | 16:41 |
| bnemec | bknudson: No kidding? | 16:41 |
| dims | i'll try to figure out something | 16:41 |
| bknudson | bnemec: yes, bldg 025 | 16:41 |
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| bnemec | bknudson: Cool, I may have to drop by. Maybe I can get my pxe booting spec written before then. | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: rochester, mn or rochester, ny? | 16:42 |
| bknudson | mn | 16:42 |
| bknudson | it's a hotbed for openstack activity | 16:43 |
| bnemec | +1! :-) | 16:43 |
| dims | bknudson: and i know both the indian restaurants :) | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | isn't there a list of these somewhere in the wiki? | 16:43 |
| bnemec | Yeah, there used to be anyway. | 16:43 |
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| zzzeek | dhellmann: are we having an oslo dinner in vancouver ? :) | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | the most senior person pays right? | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: we could -- I haven't planned anything | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:44 |
| * bnemec can't find it though | 16:44 | |
| harlowja_at_home | my guess is dhellmann has to then pay? | 16:44 |
| dims | haha | 16:45 |
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| harlowja_at_home | *maybe not, not sure who has been around this industry the longest :-P | 16:45 |
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| bnemec | I think by definition dims is most senior now. :-) | 16:45 |
| * dhellmann thinks harlowja_at_home is calling him old | 16:45 | |
| dims | :) | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | *senior( | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | *senior* | 16:46 |
| bknudson | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints | 16:46 |
| bknudson | they're called sprints I guess. | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: is that it? I don't see one for nova on that list so I wasn't sure if that was really it | 16:46 |
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| dims | y i haven't heard the nova one yet | 16:46 |
| bnemec | That's the page I am aware of. | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | yeah, apparently that's it: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/056310.html | 16:47 |
| dims | so action for me, research oslo mid-cycle possibilities | 16:47 |
| bknudson | there's no keystone mentioned either | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | dims: you can #action yourself | 16:47 |
| bnemec | Probably not populated yet since we haven't actually made it past summit. | 16:47 |
| dims | ah k | 16:47 |
| dims | #action dims to research oslo mid-cycle possibilities | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | as much as I'd like to spend a few days in a conference room with all of you, we should probably have a theme or focus identified first :-) | 16:48 |
| dims | agree dhellmann | 16:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | like a party theme? | 16:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | nice | 16:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | Hawaiian? | 16:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | ;) | 16:49 |
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| dhellmann | dims: has ttx given you a deadline for settling our summit schedule? | 16:49 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home: i am still groggy from TZ | 16:49 |
| dims | dhellmann: was just checking my emails, i did not see a specific date yet. will respond back on oslo channel when i see one | 16:50 |
| dims | earlier the better i think | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | dims: sounds good | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 16:50 |
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| dhellmann | we should also start making notes about things like "don't let this overlap with a keystone session so bknudson can attend" and that sort of thing | 16:51 |
| dhellmann | that will make fitting them into the slots easier when the time comes | 16:51 |
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| dims | so bknudson et all, make sure you add your names in the etherpad so i can adjust | 16:51 |
| harlowja_at_home | is there a constraint solver that runs on the sessions schedule, can we like borrow that for pip, lol | 16:52 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home: haha | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | we can't promise everyone a perfect schedule, but we can try to make sure key folks have a chance to be at sessions | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: I wish. This is probably one of the hardest parts of the PTL role. :-) | 16:52 |
| dims | +1 | 16:52 |
| bknudson | is the list at the bottom (proposed allocation) the likely topics? | 16:52 |
| dims | bknudson: yes "Doug's proposed allocation" | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: unless there is a really really strong new candidate in the next couple of days, which seems unlikely | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | out of the list proposed so far, I think only 2 aren't in that set in any way (some were combined) | 16:53 |
| bknudson | I don't see myself needing to attend any of those, so you don't have to work around my schedule. I'll just show up at whatever's open. | 16:54 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: ok, I was just using you as an example | 16:55 |
| dhellmann | a better example is that oslo.versionedobjects intro, for which we'll need dansmith | 16:55 |
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| dhellmann | alright, we're about out of time and I want to end my term under budget | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 16:56 |
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| bknudson | oslo.messaging stable/kilo release today? | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: yeah, we need one more patch to land first | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177772/4 | 16:56 |
| bknudson | recheck | 16:57 |
| dhellmann | did we hit some sort of race? | 16:57 |
| bknudson | "Too many connections" -- probably not unexpected in a large-ops test. | 16:57 |
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| dhellmann | hmm | 16:58 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll work with sileht on that | 16:58 |
| bknudson | must be caused by that help string getting slightly longer. | 16:58 |
| * dhellmann hopes not | 16:59 | |
| dhellmann | alright, I think that's all for today | 16:59 |
| dims | haha | 16:59 |
| dhellmann | thank you all again for your help this release, it has been great working with you all as ptl and I look forward to being part of the team again for liberty | 17:00 |
| zzzeek | :) | 17:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | woot | 17:00 |
| dims | many many thanks dhellmann | 17:00 |
| bnemec | o/\o dhellmann | 17:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | for he was a jolly good fellow and nobody shall deny | 17:00 |
| bnemec | (that's a high five, not some weird bird face, ftr) | 17:00 |
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| dhellmann | bnemec: ok, I thought maybe it was a midwestern cricket or something | 17:01 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 17:01 |
| bnemec | Heh | 17:01 |
| dhellmann | thanks, all! | 17:01 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 27 17:01:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
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| reed | cool | 17:01 |
| reed | ready for the next meeting | 17:01 |
| mrmartin | o/ | 17:01 |
| reed | evgeny is still missing | 17:01 |
| mrmartin | I hope he is just not here | 17:02 |
| reed | not on skype either | 17:02 |
| reed | i've emailed him | 17:02 |
| reed | #startmeeting community | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 27 17:02:56 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is reed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'community' | 17:03 |
| reed | #topic upgrade askbot | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "upgrade askbot (Meeting topic: community)" | 17:03 | |
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| salvorapi | hi | 17:03 |
| reed | I saw evgeny pushing some css changes for review | 17:03 |
| reed | hi salvorapi | 17:03 |
| reed | mrmartin, did you see his patch? there are only a few css changes | 17:03 |
| mrmartin | I'm checking now | 17:04 |
| mrmartin | where do you see that? | 17:04 |
| reed | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177486/ | 17:05 |
| reed | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177485/ | 17:05 |
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| reed | mrmartin, you can abandon this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171066/ | 17:05 |
| mrmartin | it is just removing a base.html file | 17:05 |
| mrmartin | yeap, I need | 17:06 |
| reed | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177486/ | 17:06 |
| reed | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177485/ | 17:06 |
| mrmartin | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/askbot/0.7.53 | 17:07 |
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| reed | mrmartin, does that patch includes the G+ fixes? | 17:07 |
| reed | s/patch/version | 17:07 |
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| mrmartin | we are using 0.7.50: https://github.com/openstack-infra/puppet-askbot/blob/master/manifests/init.pp | 17:08 |
| reed | i assume it does, based on the date the pip package was produced | 17:08 |
| mrmartin | so it is a new pip package | 17:08 |
| reed | uploaded on 2015-04-22 | 17:08 |
| reed | ok, so can we test that package? | 17:09 |
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| mrmartin | basically we can, I'm just try to find out what is the proper way, as we have a pip package now | 17:09 |
| mrmartin | during the tests with github askbot-devel / master I've experienced some header issue, but haven't seen this css patch | 17:10 |
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| mrmartin | and found one thing with a configuration change that broke the python db sync task | 17:10 |
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| mrmartin | it could be great to talk with Evgeny, because I've launched a staging instance in hpcloud, but the db-sync fails on syncdb | 17:12 |
| mrmartin | and I cannot reproduce that previously with vagrant, and I don't know what was changed | 17:12 |
| reed | argh | 17:12 |
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| mrmartin | but | 17:13 |
| reed | but? | 17:14 |
| mrmartin | http://paste.openstack.org/show/208620/ | 17:15 |
| mrmartin | I have the previous deployment that I was using for production tests | 17:15 |
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| * reed checks | 17:16 | |
| mrmartin | and it is based on the pip packages, if you give me a 10 minutes I'll try to relaunch that quickly with new pip version 7.53 | 17:16 |
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| reed | sure, take your time | 17:16 |
| mrmartin | it's the quickes way, and postpone the investigation of this django issue I've never-ever met before | 17:17 |
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| mrmartin | a bit annoying, that I test something in vagrant, an identical environment, and it can brake on a separate server | 17:17 |
| mrmartin | I've redeployed today this at least 20 times | 17:18 |
| mrmartin | do you've vagrant on your notebook? | 17:18 |
| reed | nope | 17:18 |
| mrmartin | not yet :) | 17:19 |
| reed | i have a new laptop coming, it will have vagrant :) | 17:19 |
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| mrmartin | a new sputnik? | 17:19 |
| reed | and 8gb ram (as opposed to this ridicolous 4) | 17:19 |
| reed | yep | 17:19 |
| mrmartin | yeah, ask for 16GB ram | 17:20 |
| mrmartin | 8gb is not enough | 17:20 |
| reed | 8gb doesn't fit on the motherboard, too small :) | 17:20 |
| reed | i like small | 17:20 |
| reed | i'll buy a NUC or something to do more dev-ish stuff | 17:20 |
| mrmartin | don't we have a community infra meeting here today? | 17:20 |
| reed | nope, this is the meeting | 17:20 |
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| reed | I mean, we can close the meeting since evgeny is not here and continue on the channel | 17:21 |
| reed | I was hoping we'd get him and you and complete the upgrade in 1h (or at least test it somewhere) | 17:21 |
| mrmartin | ok. but where the Bitergia guys? | 17:21 |
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| reed | I told him not to join | 17:21 |
| mrmartin | oh great. | 17:21 |
| mrmartin | ok switch back to community channel then. | 17:21 |
| reed | because I imagined we'd need the full hour for askbot | 17:22 |
| reed | do you have questions for daniel? he's on irc | 17:22 |
| mrmartin | not, we had a discussion on Friday or something | 17:23 |
| reed | #info Evgeny released a new pip package, mrmartin needs time to test it (since the upgrade from askbot-devel/trunk failed) | 17:23 |
| reed | #info evgeny didn't show up for the meeting | 17:23 |
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| reed | #meeting adjourned, continuing the testing of pip upgrade on #openstack-community channel | 17:24 |
| reed | close the meeting? | 17:24 |
| mrmartin | yeap | 17:24 |
| reed | #endmeeting | 17:24 |
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| davidlenwell | #startmeeting refstack | 18:57 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 27 18:57:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is davidlenwell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:57 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 18:57 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 18:57 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 18:58 |
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| davidlenwell | 1) Refstack PTL election 2) Vancouver cross team design session 3) Recap last week agreements 4) Plan for Refstack to demo to DefCore on May 6 5) pending reviews 6) open discussion | 18:59 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 18:59 |
| catherineD | o/ | 18:59 |
| pvaneck | o/ | 19:00 |
| davidlenwell | #topic Refstack PTL election | 19:00 |
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| davidlenwell | We as a project have grown from just a few people hacking on this code in our spare time to a fully functional upstream project.. that means that we have to behave like the other projects do and have elected governance.. So Its time to have a PTL election. | 19:00 |
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| davidlenwell | After much introspection and thought.. I've decided to take my name out of the running and instead nominate and fully support Catherine Diep to replace me in this post.. | 19:01 |
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| sslypushenko__ | o/ | 19:02 |
| davidlenwell | Elections will follow the traditional pattern.. If anyone else wants to run for PTL please inform the group this week. | 19:02 |
| Rockyg | ++ Thanks for all your hard work, davidlenwell. We've really gotten a lot done and will be able to have a respectable demo backed up by *real* working code | 19:03 |
| davidlenwell | We will orginize voting through the propper channels | 19:03 |
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| davidlenwell | I intend to stay an active member of the team and be a part of bringing our vision to life. But I feel the time is right to give someone else the reigns for a term. | 19:04 |
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| catherineD | davidlenwell: You will still be active with Refstack as a technical core reviewer right /// | 19:05 |
| davidlenwell | yes | 19:05 |
| vladiskuz|2 | o/ | 19:05 |
| catherineD | ++1 | 19:05 |
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| davidlenwell | any questions? concerns? any other candidates? | 19:05 |
| edleafe- | o/ | 19:05 |
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| * edleafe- is just here, not a candidate! | 19:06 | |
| davidlenwell | thanks for clearing that up edleafe- | 19:06 |
| davidlenwell | anyways .. put some thought into it.. We're actually late .. so this will be considered a special election.. | 19:07 |
| Rockyg | will you be posting the election info, canditate(s), etc to the dev list? We need to start doing that. | 19:07 |
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| Rockyg | Do you think we can abandon fits and start using dev? | 19:08 |
| davidlenwell | if nobody else is going to run.. then catherine will be running unopposed and we don't have to be as formal about it. | 19:08 |
| Rockyg | kewl | 19:08 |
| davidlenwell | but I wanted to give others time to think if over and throw a hat in the ring.. | 19:08 |
| davidlenwell | So we'll set a deadline of next meeting to nominate yourself or another individual.. if nobody pops up then we'll just make it official and bypass the voting process | 19:09 |
| Rockyg | no freakin' way would I run against CatherineD ;-) | 19:09 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: :-) | 19:09 |
| davidlenwell | she's the best fit for the job | 19:09 |
| davidlenwell | in my humble opinion | 19:09 |
| sslypushenko__ | +1 | 19:09 |
| davidlenwell | anyways ..we'll revisit in a week. | 19:10 |
| vladiskuz|2 | ++ | 19:10 |
| catherineD | davidlenwell: thanks | 19:10 |
| davidlenwell | lets move on for now.. | 19:10 |
| davidlenwell | #topic 2) Vancouver cross team design session | 19:10 |
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| davidlenwell | did anyone add us to the list of q/a topics ? because I believe the deadline has passed. | 19:10 |
| catherineD | so I enter one topic in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-qa-vancouver-design-session | 19:10 |
| catherineD | after we review here ... I will add that in the list of q/a topics ... | 19:11 |
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| davidlenwell | I think we've already passed their deadline to submit | 19:11 |
| catherineD | please take a look at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-qa-vancouver-design-session | 19:11 |
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| catherineD | hogepodge: mentioned last week that May 30 is the last day .. | 19:11 |
| davidlenwell | ahh.. okay | 19:12 |
| davidlenwell | it needs to be added here.. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-qa-summit-topics | 19:12 |
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| Rockyg | I think we need to recruit a keystone dev or two as liaisons to help with getting testing on outside clouds in good shape. And maybe a keystone test suite. | 19:12 |
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| davidlenwell | um .. may 30th is after the summit by the way | 19:12 |
| davidlenwell | did you mean april 30th? | 19:12 |
| Rockyg | That sounds more likely | 19:13 |
| catherineD | davidlenwell: yes | 19:13 |
| catherineD | April 30 | 19:13 |
| davidlenwell | okay that makes more sense | 19:13 |
| morganfainberg | Rockyg: i'm sure keystone folks could be convinced to discuss helping. | 19:13 |
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| Rockyg | morganfainberg: cool | 19:14 |
| catherineD | should we go ahead adding the topic to the q/a session .. | 19:14 |
| davidlenwell | I'm sure we can just informally start talking to them | 19:14 |
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| morganfainberg | Rockyg: come to our IRC meeting tomorrow, and say something about what you'd like. | 19:14 |
| davidlenwell | yes catherineD lets just add it | 19:14 |
| morganfainberg | davidlenwell^ cc | 19:14 |
| Rockyg | The api test session is also one that the refstack team needs to participate in | 19:14 |
| catherineD | ok will add it ... | 19:14 |
| morganfainberg | Rockyg: toss something on our agenda. most eyes will be available there. | 19:14 |
| davidlenwell | morganfainberg and Rockyg we don't need a design session for that .. we can just raise our hands and speak up about our needs | 19:14 |
| morganfainberg | davidlenwell: start talking to us before the summit :) | 19:15 |
| davidlenwell | yes | 19:15 |
| davidlenwell | Rockyg: do you want to take that on? | 19:15 |
| Rockyg | morganfainberg: I'll try to be there tomorrow. Might try to get on the agenda | 19:15 |
| Rockyg | davidlenwell: I guess so ;-) | 19:15 |
| davidlenwell | thank you! | 19:15 |
| davidlenwell | so | 19:15 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: and hogepodge: do we need a session to reserve time for the UUID topic ? | 19:15 |
| morganfainberg | Rockyg: just add yourself to the agenda. if you don't show up, we can defer to a following week. | 19:15 |
| sslypushenko__ | Rockyg What kind of issues do we have with keystone? | 19:16 |
| Rockyg | k. thanks | 19:16 |
| davidlenwell | #agreed catherineD to add our topic to the q/a summit topics here .. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-qa-summit-topics | 19:16 |
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| davidlenwell | sslypushenko__: lets save that for open discussion | 19:16 |
| sslypushenko__ | ok | 19:16 |
| davidlenwell | I want to get throught he rest of the agenda first. | 19:16 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: probably, althogh it's going to be tough to advance. we should make a case, though. At least have a chance to have mtreinish explain his reasoning about naming and why it isn't necessary | 19:16 |
| Rockyg | sslypushenko__: just getting help maybe for test tools to be better equipped for testing on public clouds. And with expanding test suites to be able to run some keystone tests through the refstack client | 19:17 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: so we should log a session so that we have the time slot? | 19:17 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: sure | 19:17 |
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| davidlenwell | no gaurantees that it will be accepted .. but we can speak up and try | 19:17 |
| davidlenwell | lets move on.. | 19:18 |
| davidlenwell | #topic 3) Recap last week agreements | 19:18 |
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| davidlenwell | catherineD: can you go through those please? | 19:18 |
| catherineD | ok | 19:19 |
| catherineD | 1. we will find a time to set aside at the summit to discuss the api in better detail. | 19:19 |
| davidlenwell | I think we have had success with breakfast meetings in the past. | 19:19 |
| catherineD | I think we can defer that to next week since we have more important items to discuss this week | 19:19 |
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| davidlenwell | lets tenetively say we'll meet for breakfast early in the week. | 19:19 |
| catherineD | ok | 19:20 |
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| catherineD | #action need to define Refstack team face-2-face meeting at the summit on May 4, 2015 ... pick a day for breakfast early i nthe week | 19:20 |
| catherineD | 2) David to follow up with infra team on the possibility for Refstack server hosting at infra | 19:21 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 19:21 |
| davidlenwell | Rockyg had already picked this back up and krotscheck started to help us with this process | 19:21 |
| davidlenwell | however I am not sure what the current status of this is. | 19:21 |
| davidlenwell | I reached out to jeblair and let him know what our intentions are.. he offered no objections at this time.. | 19:22 |
| krotscheck | ohai | 19:22 |
| Rockyg | Yup. pvaneck is working with krotscheck to break out the webserver into its own repository | 19:22 |
| davidlenwell | So we should proceed with their recomendations and keep things moving along.. | 19:22 |
| krotscheck | Actually, I've reversed positions on that. I don't think it makes sense for refstack. | 19:22 |
| mtreinish | hogepodge: we can probably have a work room slot for it | 19:22 |
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| mtreinish | hogepodge: or if it gets too full the sprint day on friday works too | 19:22 |
| mtreinish | oh actually that would probably be a better time for it | 19:22 |
| davidlenwell | mtreinish: sounds good | 19:23 |
| Rockyg | ok. krotscheck, pvaneck any other update on that? | 19:23 |
| davidlenwell | krotscheck: can you elaborate? | 19:23 |
| krotscheck | Ok, first the update: | 19:23 |
| krotscheck | I'm working on the puppet module, though it took up more of my time than I wanted last week and so paused late last week. | 19:24 |
| catherineD | mtreinish: I just add the Password topic to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-qa-summit-topics | 19:24 |
| krotscheck | There's one major missing piece, which is a wsgi file for refstack | 19:24 |
| Rockyg | I think we should have a backup plan just in case. I want to approach the rackspace defcore chair and get a vm as a hot standby | 19:24 |
| davidlenwell | krotscheck: I can commit that today | 19:24 |
| mtreinish | catherineD: I'm not sure that will require it's own session, but ok :) | 19:25 |
| krotscheck | davidlenwell: Cool! | 19:25 |
| catherineD | mtreinish: thx | 19:25 |
| Rockyg | mtreinish: I think we can expand on the topics ;-) | 19:25 |
| krotscheck | Once the puppet module is done, we'll want to add the project under the openstack-infra namespace. | 19:25 |
| krotscheck | Once that's done, we can add a manifest to openstack-infra/system-config to create a refstack server. | 19:26 |
| krotscheck | Once that's done, you ask infra to provision the server for you. | 19:26 |
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| krotscheck | And set up the domain name. | 19:26 |
| krotscheck | And then you're golden. | 19:26 |
| krotscheck | As for the Why-one-project-not-two: | 19:26 |
| davidlenwell | Thank you for the update and the help krotscheck | 19:26 |
| hogepodge | krotscheck: a few weeks ago piston transferred refstack.org to the foundation, so the staff here can help with the dns | 19:27 |
| davidlenwell | oh good! | 19:27 |
| krotscheck | The things you get for separate projects: Separability, whitelabeling, etc - you don't really need any of those. | 19:27 |
| catherineD | krotscheck: base on your experiences with all the activities .. do you think we we have the server before May 6? | 19:27 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: I would think it will take longer than that | 19:28 |
| krotscheck | catherineD: Unlikely. | 19:28 |
| catherineD | We plan to demo the Refstack UI to DefCore on that date .. | 19:28 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: we can update the refstack.net server I setup and use it for the demo | 19:28 |
| krotscheck | catherineD: At that point you should be able to create a demo VM on the presentation laptop. That'd be a bit more stable | 19:28 |
| catherineD | davidlenwell: great ... it is best to have a demo on a public site so people can really access to it ... | 19:28 |
| davidlenwell | if we don't have any other agreements to review this is a good segway into our next topic | 19:29 |
| krotscheck | im good | 19:29 |
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| davidlenwell | #topic 4) Plan for Refstack to demo to DefCore on May 6 | 19:29 |
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| davidlenwell | we've decided to demo our progress for the defcore group durring the may 6th meeting.. | 19:30 |
| davidlenwell | catherine and I will perform the demo | 19:30 |
| catherineD | davidlenwell: so most likely we will use refstack.net for the demo .. | 19:30 |
| davidlenwell | agreed | 19:31 |
| davidlenwell | I'll get you access to that server asap | 19:31 |
| catherineD | davidlenwell: +1 .. | 19:31 |
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| davidlenwell | #agreed davidlenwell to privide login access for catherine to refstack.net server | 19:31 |
| pvaneck | davidlenwell: do you currently use apache on that server to server the api? | 19:33 |
| davidlenwell | I think we should prep what we are going to say durring the demo .. highlight progress and longer term goals.. then some q and a to wrap it up | 19:33 |
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| pvaneck | serve* | 19:33 |
| davidlenwell | yes .. I serve the api with apache wsgi | 19:33 |
| davidlenwell | I will commit the wsgi file today | 19:33 |
| davidlenwell | or tomorrow .. I have a lot of meetings today | 19:33 |
| pvaneck | ah okay | 19:33 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: anything to add? | 19:34 |
| catherineD | #action David to commit the wsgi file asap | 19:34 |
| catherineD | davidlenwell: once I have access we will prep the server ... | 19:34 |
| catherineD | nothing else from me for this topic ... | 19:34 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. lets move on | 19:35 |
| davidlenwell | #topic 5) pending reviews | 19:35 |
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| catherineD | for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176364/ | 19:36 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: is concern about explicit selection of engine ... | 19:37 |
| sslypushenko__ | I did manual testing for it and it works for me... | 19:37 |
| sslypushenko__ | About engine... | 19:37 |
| sslypushenko__ | Is it really necessary to select engine? | 19:38 |
| davidlenwell | I don't think its a must.. but we have to be very clear that we are only testing and running this in mysql | 19:38 |
| hogepodge | I think it's ok to make a hard decision about what the backend is. | 19:38 |
| davidlenwell | +1 | 19:39 |
| catherineD | so we just need to clarify that in our README? | 19:39 |
| hogepodge | yup. It will also be made clear in the puppet deployment manifests | 19:39 |
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| mtreinish | so realize that's not a backwards compatible change either, if you have existing users that could lead to them being an unknown state | 19:40 |
| mtreinish | you should probably do something like that as a new migration instead | 19:40 |
| davidlenwell | mtreinish: I believe the only user we have running our api outside of of this group is catherineD at ibm .. | 19:41 |
| mtreinish | davidlenwell: sure, that's a project policy decision. But, if you add onto an old migrations just thought the risks of doing it should be brought up | 19:42 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. next review .. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177872/1 | 19:43 |
| davidlenwell | pvaneck: has been hard at work on our ui code.. | 19:43 |
| davidlenwell | I'd like eyes on the javascript | 19:43 |
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| sslypushenko__ | Looks good! | 19:43 |
| davidlenwell | and special attention on the readme file pvaneck make sure instructions are easy to get this running. | 19:44 |
| hogepodge | Is there a javascript linter that can be added to the gate? Would it be useful? | 19:44 |
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| pvaneck | Yea, a js gate would be good to have | 19:44 |
| mtreinish | hogepodge: heh, jslint. Enjoy that license quagmire :) | 19:44 |
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| davidlenwell | for the time being lets have a few folks actually run the code and test it manually | 19:45 |
| davidlenwell | next .. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177340/ | 19:46 |
| davidlenwell | that one looks good to me.. I've +2'd it | 19:47 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: you can merge if you are happy with it | 19:47 |
| catherineD | yes testing it ... shoudl be an easy one to merge .. | 19:48 |
| sslypushenko__ | This patch should works with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177357/ | 19:48 |
| davidlenwell | yes .. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177357/ also looks good to me | 19:48 |
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| davidlenwell | that leaves .. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177872/ | 19:49 |
| davidlenwell | sorry .. meant to paste this .. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176335/ | 19:50 |
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| sslypushenko__ | Vlad is working on UI part now | 19:51 |
| catherineD | that is WIP ... | 19:51 |
| davidlenwell | yes .. but its the last remaining pending review so I figured we'd talk about it ;) | 19:51 |
| sslypushenko__ | We hope that auth will work next week | 19:51 |
| davidlenwell | awesome! | 19:51 |
| davidlenwell | I will continue to monitor | 19:52 |
| davidlenwell | we have a little time left now for open discussion | 19:52 |
| davidlenwell | #topic open discussion | 19:52 |
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| davidlenwell | sslypushenko__: Rockyg did you communicate enough about the keystone topic? | 19:52 |
| sslypushenko__ | We can do it in #refstack channel | 19:53 |
| Rockyg | For this round, yes, I think. | 19:53 |
| davidlenwell | okay | 19:53 |
| davidlenwell | So who is not going to the summit? | 19:53 |
| davidlenwell | vladiskuz|2: and sslypushenko__ you aren't attending right? | 19:53 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: we merge this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161315/ so now the JSON include idempotent_id ... but we are not storing the id in refstack .. | 19:53 |
| sslypushenko__ | Yes, We are not going | 19:54 |
| davidlenwell | we will do our best to include you in team meetings | 19:54 |
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| sslypushenko__ | catherineD We did it. Refstack is storing uuid in db | 19:54 |
| sslypushenko__ | davidlenwell Thx | 19:55 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: ok let review some more ... | 19:55 |
| davidlenwell | idempotent_id == uuid .. no reason to change tis name in our database | 19:55 |
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| davidlenwell | if nothing else we'll make a google hangout from my cell phone and invite you guys to it for our team breakfast .. my data plan still works in canada | 19:55 |
| hogepodge | it's important to understand that uuid is only unique for function, not for test | 19:56 |
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| davidlenwell | okay folks.. thats all the time we have for today in this channel .. as always please feel free to keep the conversation going in #refstack! | 19:58 |
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| davidlenwell | #endmeeting | 19:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 27 19:58:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-04-27-18.57.html | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-04-27-18.57.txt | 19:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-04-27-18.57.log.html | 19:58 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 27 20:00:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
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| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:00 |
| x3k | o/ | 20:00 |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:00 |
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| rellerreller | woot woot I finally get to make a meeting! | 20:00 |
| redrobot | rellerreller \o/ | 20:00 |
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| woodster_ | o/ | 20:00 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:01 |
| pkazmir | o/ | 20:01 |
| pkazmir | My first time :) | 20:01 |
| rellerreller | redrobot I'm arranging things, so I can attend at least the first 30 minutes of the meetings. | 20:01 |
| redrobot | welcome pkazmir | 20:01 |
| alee | o/ | 20:01 |
| jvrbanac | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | rellerreller good to know, so I can schedule topics relevant to you at the beginning | 20:02 |
| redrobot | lots of barbicaneers here today! | 20:02 |
| redrobot | as usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:02 |
| hockeynut | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:02 |
| chellygel | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #topic Action Items | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | So I've been really busy with Kilo release stuff, and I didn't get a chance to work on the action items from last week | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-04-20-20.00.html | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to talk to Greg Swift about DB being used in Fedora | 20:03 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | #action redrobot to clean up the barbican-specs repo | 20:03 |
| tkelsey | sorry im late | 20:03 |
| redrobot | tkelsey no worries, you didn't miss much | 20:03 |
| redrobot | and since there's no agenda today, I'm just going to wing it. :) | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #topic Kilo RC-2 | 20:04 |
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| tkelsey | :) | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #link https://launchpad.net/barbican/+milestone/kilo-rc2 | 20:04 |
| redrobot | Thierry should be releasing the Kilo Release Candidate #2 today. | 20:04 |
| redrobot | it includes 4 bugfixes, as listed on the link above | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | I think we've done a pretty good job of pointing out bugs that need to be backported to kilo | 20:05 |
| redrobot | many thanks to dave-mccowan and arunkant for the extra testing that found these bugs. | 20:05 |
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| rellerreller | redrobot When is the official cutoff date for submitting code for Kilo final RC? | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller good question | 20:06 |
| redrobot | according to the Kilo release schedule | 20:06 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 20:06 |
| igueths | o/ | 20:07 |
| redrobot | we should have a final release on the 30th | 20:07 |
| redrobot | which is this Thursday | 20:07 |
| rellerreller | redrobot I have been running KMIP tests. I have found one bug. It's an easy one line fix. | 20:07 |
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| dave-mccowan | redrobot have you decided on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177454/ as a kilo candidate? | 20:08 |
| redrobot | rellerreller https://bugs.launchpad.net/barbican/+bug/1449234 ? | 20:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1449234 in Barbican "KMIP secret store cannot store keys" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Nathan Reller (rellerreller) | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | dave-mccowan I'll include it if we need to cut a Kilo-3 | 20:08 |
| rellerreller | redrobot That is it. | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | dave-mccowan which seems likely to include rellerreller's bugfix | 20:09 |
| redrobot | rellerreller I'll mark it as also affecting Kilo | 20:09 |
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| rellerreller | redrobot What branch contains the kilo code? | 20:09 |
| rellerreller | I know the answer is probably obvious but want to make sure I test on the right branch. | 20:10 |
| redrobot | rellerreller it'll be the "stable/kilo" branch | 20:10 |
| redrobot | rellerreller you just need to fix it in master, and I'll take care of cherry-picking it into the kilo branch | 20:10 |
| rellerreller | redrobot Excellent! | 20:10 |
| redrobot | any other questions/concerns/comments regarding the Kilo release? | 20:11 |
| alee | redrobot, so is this the last build then? | 20:13 |
| redrobot | alee looks like we'll have an RC-3 to fix the KMIP issue. | 20:13 |
| redrobot | alee after that, RC-3 will probably be the final release | 20:13 |
| redrobot | at which point we'll only be fixing security bugs.... well, and anything else that is broken that prevents normal operation. | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:15 |
| redrobot | #topic Vancouver Design Summit | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-L-design-sessions | 20:15 |
| redrobot | So we have two fishbowl sessions during the Summit. | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | Looks like Castellan got a ton of votes | 20:16 |
| redrobot | so I think we should make one of the fishbowls be about Castellan. | 20:16 |
| redrobot | I think it'll be good to get a chance to talk about it in front of a wide community audience. | 20:17 |
| redrobot | There wasn't anything else that was an obvious candidate for the second fishbowl | 20:18 |
| redrobot | so I'm open to suggestions. | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | Bueller? | 20:19 |
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| hockeynut | functional tests? | 20:20 |
| redrobot | I was thinking maybe auditing would warrant a fishbowl session? | 20:20 |
| redrobot | hockeynut I don't know that it would be a good fit for a fishbowl. ie. I don't think we need wide community audience to talk about our functional tests. | 20:20 |
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| hockeynut | redrobot ah ok, thanks. Wasn't sure of the definition of "fishbowl" | 20:21 |
| redrobot | hockeynut but I could be convinced otherwise... do you think it's something that we need community input on? | 20:21 |
| redrobot | hehe, sorry | 20:21 |
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| redrobot | "Fishbowl" is the new term used to describe the sessions that were previously part of the "design summit schedule" | 20:21 |
| rellerreller | What stuff is outward facing besides content types? ACLs? | 20:21 |
| alee | redrobot, certificates and cert related specs might be a good fishbowl session. to get people familiar with what has been done and get feedback on what is still needed. | 20:21 |
| hockeynut | I think jaosorior wanted to talk about naming/etc so we could probably just do something ad-hoc | 20:21 |
| rellerreller | alee +1 | 20:22 |
| alee | of course we've had those in the past, but a lot of progress has been made since then. | 20:22 |
| arunkant | redrobot, auditing +1, alee + 1 | 20:23 |
| redrobot | alee +1 I agree, SSL/TLS would be a good fishbowl session. | 20:23 |
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| redrobot | Castellan + SSL/TLS, and then Auditing if we have time? | 20:23 |
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| rellerreller | What's the SSL/TLS part of Castellan? | 20:24 |
| redrobot | both of our Fishbowl sessions are scheduled back-to-back, so we could try to cover all 3 topics during that time. | 20:24 |
| redrobot | rellerreller sorry, I meant to say one fishbowl for Castellan, and one for SSL/TLS | 20:24 |
| redrobot | although the topic of SSL/TLS in Castellan might come up. | 20:25 |
| woodster_ | is there interest in discussing/design longer range features like federation? Maybe better for the M summit? :) | 20:25 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ I would be interested in spending some time with the Keystone folks to understand their take on federation. But I don't think we'll be ready to tackle that in L | 20:26 |
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| arunkant | woodster_, is there impact of keystone federation on barbican side? | 20:26 |
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| redrobot | #link https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/ | 20:28 |
| redrobot | ^^ is the schedule btw | 20:28 |
| woodster_ | arunkant: probably so, but I agree we could handle that directly with Keystone folks at the summit | 20:28 |
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| redrobot | oh, also before I forget | 20:29 |
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| redrobot | Sheena Gregson proposed a Barbican topic for the cross-project sessions on Tuesday. | 20:29 |
| redrobot | I'll be there to help answer community questions on how to integrate with Barbican. | 20:30 |
| arunkant | woodster_, okay. Don't know much about federation, was thinking that Barbican just needs token, regardless of how its generated. Agree, we can learn more about this summit. | 20:30 |
| redrobot | anyone else who will be in Vancouver is welcomed to join. | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | well, if our topic gets picked anyway | 20:30 |
| redrobot | I'm still not clear on how the cross-project day is going to work. | 20:30 |
| redrobot | also, our work session for Friday is the afternoon. :-\ | 20:31 |
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| redrobot | hopefully some of y'all will stick around for it... | 20:31 |
| alee | redrobot, woodster_ another interesting topic that might have cross project interest is v1/v2, although I'm not sure we're ready to do a fishbowl session on it yet | 20:32 |
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| alee | redrobot, we'd need to figure out if we need to actually v2 first. | 20:32 |
| redrobot | alee I was thinking we can start working session discussions on what a v2 would look like... but I think we shouldn't have a v2 until maybe M. | 20:33 |
| alee | ok | 20:33 |
| redrobot | alee I want to have the L cycle to figure out what is or isn't working in the TLS/SSL apis. | 20:33 |
| alee | yup | 20:33 |
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| woodster_ | alee, redrobot yeah probably so. I think the only things that could force v2 sooner are ay changes needed to default secret RBAC policy or a common API standard for APIs perhaps | 20:35 |
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| woodster_ | maybe we'll have all docs for these new features in place by M :) | 20:35 |
| redrobot | woodster_ lol | 20:36 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ our code is "self-documenting" ;) | 20:36 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: ha! Of course! | 20:36 |
| pkazmir | Maybe in Vancouver we can have a discussion about the CLI output? There was some discussion on Friday here about perhaps suggesting alternate output formats for Cliff (like maybe JSON)? Seems like our output into tables doesn't print so well. | 20:37 |
| redrobot | pkazmir +1 | 20:37 |
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| redrobot | yeah, I promised chellygel I would hunt down the Cliff folks and talk to them about adding alternative output formats to the CLIs | 20:37 |
| redrobot | ascii text tables, while pretty, are not very functional | 20:38 |
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| redrobot | pkazmir it would be good to add that topic to the design-sessions etherpad if it's not already there. | 20:40 |
| redrobot | any other questions/comments about the design summit? | 20:40 |
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| pkazmir | redrobot: ok | 20:41 |
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| redrobot | #topic Open Discussion | 20:42 |
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| redrobot | That's all I have on the agenda for today | 20:42 |
| x3k | I want to mention my blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/versioned-objects | 20:42 |
| woodster_ | redrobot, do you think we have time to discuss adding a read-only ACL role to Barbican policy? This is for ACL-based secret and container reads. | 20:42 |
| redrobot | anything else we need to talk about? | 20:42 |
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| x3k | right now only object's id's are passed via RPC, f.ex. an order id | 20:42 |
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| redrobot | #topic Versioned Objects | 20:43 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ I'll try to get to it after x3k's topic. | 20:43 |
| x3k | implementing oslo.versionedobject would change this behaviour to pass thewhole objects instead, together with information about their versions | 20:43 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: no worries | 20:43 |
| x3k | I can get the versioned-objects spec ready for reviews this week and we can discuss it there | 20:45 |
| redrobot | x3k I'm not opposed to the idea. It would be good to get a spec CR up though, so we can get input from the rest of the core team | 20:45 |
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| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Barbican/Blueprints | 20:45 |
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| redrobot | x3k also, welcome! :) | 20:46 |
| x3k | there will alsobe oslo sessions about versionedobjects at the summit | 20:46 |
| x3k | redrobot, ok :) | 20:46 |
| * redrobot makes a note. | 20:46 | |
| redrobot | I'm the oslo liaison for the project, so I'll definitely be interested in those sessions | 20:47 |
| woodster_ | x3k good to know | 20:47 |
| redrobot | #action x3k to submit CR to barbican-specs for Versioned Objects | 20:48 |
| redrobot | x3k any other questions/comments on this topic? | 20:48 |
| x3k | redrobot, no thats it, thanks! | 20:48 |
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| redrobot | #topic Additional role to enable per-secret ACL | 20:49 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ do you want to talk about this? | 20:49 |
| woodster_ | For sure. In short, we don't currently require a role for ACL-listed users to access/decrypt a secret | 20:49 |
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| woodster_ | It would be good to introduce a role for that purpose. | 20:49 |
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| redrobot | just so we're all in the same page. This change would only affect the sample policy file that is shipped with Barbican out of the box | 20:50 |
| woodster_ | This would enable a cloud/identity admin to revoke access to Barbican, while still retaining access to other projects | 20:50 |
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| woodster_ | redrobot: that's correct. So if folks don't think this is a generic issue, then we could just leave the policy as is | 20:50 |
| redrobot | woodster_ I like the additional role since it does allow an operator to cut off access to barbican only. | 20:51 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: We could then add info to the deployers guide to enable this further restriction if needed | 20:51 |
| redrobot | I think it's a sensible thing to include in the default policy. | 20:51 |
| woodster_ | If we do add that to policy, then the question is what to call that role...bike shed time! | 20:52 |
| redrobot | woodster_ wooo! my favorite part! | 20:52 |
| arunkant | woodster_, so to be clear, that role just need to be assigned to any openstack project..right..does not have to be on secret or container project.. | 20:52 |
| alee | woodster_, so the use case here is user X has been granted access to hundreds of secrets through acls, and now an admin wants to drop all his access? | 20:52 |
| woodster_ | we could reuse an existing role (like observer), but that would grant access to the projects secrets, not just the whitelisted ones | 20:52 |
| woodster_ | alee, that's correct | 20:53 |
| alee | woodster_, all access or access to only acl-allowed secrets? | 20:53 |
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| alee | ie. could he access his own or his projects secrets? | 20:54 |
| redrobot | alee so this would be a role that is needed by someone in addition to being in the acl-whitelist. | 20:54 |
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| redrobot | alee the policy would check for the new role + acl list. | 20:54 |
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| woodster_ | alee, redrobot that's all correct | 20:54 |
| redrobot | presumably an admin would first have to grant the role on the project to the user prior to being allowed to retrieve secrets in a whitelist. | 20:55 |
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| alee | redrobot, woodster_ so the user would still have access to non-acl-granted secrets .. ie. his own or his projects . Ok just checking that I understand the proposed chande | 20:55 |
| alee | change | 20:55 |
| woodster_ | alee: for non ACL secrets, the other roles apply | 20:56 |
| alee | gotcha | 20:56 |
| rm_work | I see the typical deployment giving out this new role alongside the other default barbican roles | 20:57 |
| rm_work | but really, that's totally up to the deployer | 20:57 |
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| redrobot | rm_work yup. up to the deployer. I think it would be a nice example to give in the default policy to show what is possible. | 20:58 |
| rm_work | otherwise full agreement with redrobot / woodster_ ^^ | 20:58 |
| arunkant | woodster_, so if you have a project where you have ACL and non-ACL secrets, then does it mean user needs to have 'new role' on that project ? | 20:58 |
| woodster_ | arunkant: for the ACL based ones yes. | 20:59 |
| redrobot | arunkant yes, but only to read ACL secrets. | 20:59 |
| rm_work | err, the new role would be gra | 20:59 |
| woodster_ | any good names out there then? granted-observer maybe? | 20:59 |
| redrobot | woodster_ I think we can bikeshed the name in the CR | 20:59 |
| woodster_ | oh no, out of time I think! | 20:59 |
| redrobot | also we're just about out of time. | 20:59 |
| rm_work | *err, the new role would be granted just once to any project, because we'd just be checking the "read_other" role for the user's own project, not every other project, right? | 20:59 |
| redrobot | Thanks for coming everyone! | 20:59 |
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| rm_work | kk, can take to chnnel | 21:00 |
| rm_work | *main channel | 21:00 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 27 21:00:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-04-27-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-04-27-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-04-27-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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