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| rprakash | telcowg meeting? | 13:08 |
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| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 8 14:00:56 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 14:01 |
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| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
| sgordon | #topic roll call | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:01 | |
| * sgordon here | 14:01 | |
| jaypipes | sgordon: mornin. (from 38000 feet) | 14:01 |
| amitry | present | 14:01 |
| dcw | hello | 14:01 |
| sgordon | jaypipes, i will be joining you at that alt very shortly ;p | 14:01 |
| cloudon1 | hi | 14:01 |
| sgordon | ok | 14:02 |
| sgordon | #topic vancouver summit | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "vancouver summit (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:02 | |
| sgordon | last week we touched on summit briefly and i wanted to re-visit here as i know in particular tom is working to nail down scheduling for the operators tracks | 14:02 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-ops-meetup | 14:02 |
| dneary | Morning | 14:02 |
| * dneary here | 14:02 | |
| sgordon | we created a placeholder entry for telco working group in the relevant etherpad | 14:03 |
| sgordon | but we need to flesh out what we would like to achieve with that session if we want to keep it | 14:03 |
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| sgordon | as it stands we have a number of use cases in various states of review | 14:03 |
| sgordon | the key appears to be once we merge one (and we're very close to merging the first) | 14:04 |
| dneary | sgordon, Would it be possibleto talk about the design summit scheduling process afterwards? There are a few OPNFV folks who don't understand it very well & want to make sure we don't miss that boat | 14:04 |
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| sgordon | how to then move from that to gaps, to specifications, to implementation | 14:04 |
| aveiga | That process needs to be well defined and posted somewhere | 14:05 |
| aveiga | so we can do it fairly and in the open | 14:05 |
| sgordon | indeed | 14:05 |
| bryan_att | hi | 14:05 |
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| ian_ott | hi | 14:05 |
| vks | hi | 14:05 |
| sgordon | how/where to track gaps separately | 14:05 |
| sgordon | as bugs under the telcowg project? | 14:06 |
| sgordon | linking back to the use cases | 14:06 |
| sgordon | e.g. one gap might facilitate multiple use cases | 14:06 |
| sgordon | from there it becomes an issue of ownership by someone who is actually willing/able to draft a BP and implement | 14:06 |
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| aveiga | sgordon: that might be a good idea, since they can be triaged and linked to multiple use cases as 'affected' items | 14:07 |
| sgordon | right | 14:07 |
| sgordon | i am thinking this because just by virtue of setting everything up | 14:07 |
| sgordon | we ended up with a LP area we dont currently really use | 14:07 |
| vks | sgordon, LP? | 14:07 |
| vks | :) | 14:07 |
| sgordon | launchpad | 14:07 |
| vks | aah | 14:07 |
| sgordon | the alternative would be storyboard (DUN DUN DUN) | 14:08 |
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| aveiga | sgordon: let's not force people to use any more new tools than they have to | 14:08 |
| sgordon | agree | 14:08 |
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| dneary | sgordon, To date, has anyone active in OPNFV been involved in the Telco use-case definition? | 14:08 |
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| jaypipes | sgordon: I think as much as possible, we should focus on the upstream projects (nova, neutron, etc) and ensure that bugs are tagged with "telco" or "telcowg". We can also, if it's specifically a telco thing and not necessarily useful outside of telco, prefix blueprints with "telco-" | 14:09 |
| sgordon | dneary, yes, those who participate in both groups | 14:09 |
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| dneary | OK, thanks | 14:09 |
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| sgordon | jaypipes, yeah my fear if we raise a bug for tracking a gap while we work on a BP is that in the core projects it will be closed "raise a bp!" | 14:09 |
| iben | #info Iben Rodriguez from spirent - #opnfv | 14:09 |
| sgordon | #info Need to define process for taking merged use cases to the next step, gap definition, design, implementation | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | sgordon: OK, fair enough. I think creating BPs in a telco-wg project on LP would work then, sure | 14:10 |
| vks | sgordon, if we able to close one use case as first step it will be gud | 14:11 |
| sgordon | #info Options include a) raise a bug under telcowg area for each gap, linking back to use cases, while BP is being drafted b) Filing directly in core projects with telco tag (for bugs) or telco- prefix (for blueprints) | 14:11 |
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| dneary | One more dumb newcomer question: where can I see in-draft use cases? | 14:11 |
| sgordon | vks, yes - i am raising this because the security segregation use case is close to merge | 14:11 |
| sgordon | dneary, please read the agenda | 14:11 |
| sgordon | thanks | 14:11 |
| dneary | sgordon, OK | 14:11 |
| sgordon | it was the first link pasted | 14:12 |
| vks | sgordon, i am willing to help in implementation | 14:12 |
| aveiga | jaypipes: we need to do the gap analaysis before we decide to file against a project though | 14:12 |
| aveiga | we were going to do the analysis as bugs as well | 14:12 |
| aveiga | otherwise I agree with you, the gaps should probably go against the project they affect | 14:12 |
| aveiga | dneary: here! | 14:12 |
| aveiga | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:stackforge/telcowg-usecases,n,z | 14:12 |
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| dneary | aveiga, sgordon: Thanks | 14:12 |
| sgordon | aveiga, yeah i think we are in rough agreement - i dont think we want to file/stage blueprints themselves against telcowg | 14:12 |
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| sgordon | just tracking for "hey we need to create a blueprint for X that relates to use cases Y, Z" | 14:13 |
| aveiga | sgordon: correct. The BPs should be in the project containing the gap | 14:13 |
| sgordon | which seems ok to use bugs for to me | 14:13 |
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| aveiga | step 1 is file a use case | 14:13 |
| aveiga | step 2 is to bug the use case for gap analysis | 14:13 |
| sgordon | key point once we have those bugs is finding an owner who is willing to own implementation | 14:13 |
| aveiga | step 3 is to generate a list of gaps in said bug | 14:13 |
| sgordon | (for volunteers such as vks above to pick up) | 14:13 |
| aveiga | step 4 is either open bugs against a project or file a BP for fixes | 14:13 |
| sgordon | expectation of projects will be that there will be an owner for the BP who actually intends to work on it | 14:14 |
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| sgordon | #info telcowg project would not be used to file/stage blueprints themselves, simply to track "gap X exists that relates to use cases Y, Z and needs a blueprint to resolve" | 14:15 |
| sgordon | ok | 14:15 |
| vks | sgordon, +1 | 14:15 |
| sgordon | so w.r.t. YVR i think this gives me plenty to flesh out the etherpad entry in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-ops-meetup | 14:15 |
| sgordon | though we will hopefully start moving on this before summit | 14:15 |
| sgordon | it will be a good checkpoint | 14:15 |
| sgordon | #topic vancouver summit - design summit | 14:16 |
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| sgordon | a question was asked above about the design summit so let's go into where planning for that is at | 14:16 |
| sgordon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Planning | 14:16 |
| sgordon | most projects have already created etherpads for people to enter potential session topics in | 14:16 |
| sgordon | they are linked from the above wiki page | 14:16 |
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| sgordon | the PTLs will be taking this input to try and work out the scheduling for the slots allocated for their project(s) | 14:17 |
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| sgordon | in the past there has been an assumption/belief that "if I have a BP then I need it to be discussed in a design session to be successful" | 14:17 |
| sgordon | this isn't necessarily true | 14:17 |
| sgordon | primarily the sessions are intended to cater to discussion of larger or more controversial bodies of work | 14:18 |
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| aveiga | or for things that aren't fully defined yet | 14:18 |
| sgordon | right | 14:18 |
| sgordon | just as an example from the nova list "Quotas - how to make them better" | 14:19 |
| sgordon | there's no one specific work item as such | 14:19 |
| ian_ott | at the last summit, the turn out was huge, despite these meetings having only a few participants - will it be the same in Vancouver? | 14:19 |
| iben | Is there still a triple-o project? Isn't that ironic now? | 14:19 |
| sgordon | just an acknowledgement that the way quotas work is not ideal and there is a need for improvement | 14:19 |
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| sgordon | iben, tripleo and ironic are not 1:1 | 14:19 |
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| aveiga | ian_ott: probably, since people may already be there for other reasons and notice that "Hey, there's this Telco thing going on" | 14:20 |
| sgordon | ian_ott, it really depends on the session, how well ATC access to the area is policed etc. | 14:20 |
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| sgordon | but i would expect the telco ops session if we have one to be pretty well attended | 14:20 |
| sgordon | as well as anything that says containers in the title | 14:20 |
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| sgordon | basically if you intend to actively participate in a session sit close to the front | 14:21 |
| sgordon | if you don't, don't ;) | 14:21 |
| aveiga | +1 | 14:21 |
| sgordon | dneary, does the above kind of answer your questions from an OPNFV point of view? | 14:21 |
| aveiga | also all of these sessions will have etherpads so participation comes in more than one form | 14:21 |
| sgordon | yes | 14:22 |
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| dneary | sgordon, Just back from the wiki page... catching up with backlog | 14:22 |
| iben | Hum. And compass too. There are so many openstack installer projects now. | 14:22 |
| sgordon | iben, ironic isnt an installer | 14:22 |
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| sgordon | it is a baremetal hypervisor driver that tripleo *uses* | 14:22 |
| dneary | "larger or more controversial bodies of work" sounds like it applies to many telco related topics | 14:22 |
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| margaret__ | OPNFV members are slowly trying to get more engaged - but we have a near term release coming out. We see the Telco group as a venue for us once we have SW to upstream | 14:23 |
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| sgordon | margaret__, yeah this is going to kind of segue into my next topic | 14:23 |
| dneary | iben, Ironic = bare metal provisioning, triple-O = deploying OpenStack using Heat | 14:23 |
| bryan_att | Would people consider discussing needs/ideas around how policy can be managed across VIMs (OpenStack being one) a "large or controversial" issue? | 14:24 |
| sgordon | #action sgordon to update YVR ops summit proposal | 14:24 |
| dneary | sgordon, So, in summary: | 14:24 |
| sgordon | bryan_att, probably - more controversial will be whether that belongs in openstack versus a focus on e.g. congress | 14:24 |
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| dneary | * If there are OPNFV blueprints which we suspect will be controversial, do we need a blueprint in Gerrit to propose a session? | 14:24 |
| bryan_att | not sure I understand - Congress is in OpenStack | 14:24 |
| sgordon | bryan_att, exactly | 14:24 |
| bryan_att | OK, how for the Telco WG session? | 14:25 |
| sgordon | bryan_att, it seems like you are talking about an external user of congress and other cloud policy systems | 14:25 |
| sgordon | dneary, no but having a blueprint will certainly help (and more importantly a specification) | 14:25 |
| dneary | * If there are changes we don't expect to be controversial, then there is no hard & fast requirement to have a design smmit session for the blueprint to get into the Liberty roadmap | 14:25 |
| dneary | sgordon, OK | 14:25 |
| bryan_att | yes, as part of a multi-domain policy engine - SNDC and Compute/Storage VIMs | 14:25 |
| sgordon | dneary, correct, but it would again be recommended to have blueprints/specifications sooner rather than later | 14:25 |
| aveiga | dneary: you'll need to get a spec in with the revelant core project by their planning deadline, but that deadline is almost never the summit | 14:26 |
| aveiga | relevant, even | 14:26 |
| dneary | So clearly (?) the various HA, multisite projects would need a design summit session | 14:26 |
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| sgordon | bryan_att, right so what i am saying is from an openstack design summit point of view, that is something you would implement outside of openstack no? | 14:26 |
| dneary | While mybe fault management doesn't? | 14:26 |
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| adrian-hoban | dneary: Not so sure fault mgmt doesn't deserve a session, particularly if you get into fault delivery performance | 14:27 |
| bryan_att | Yes, but I would think that how OpenStack could/would be used as part of a larger picture would be important to the telco WG | 14:27 |
| dneary | adrian-hoban, OK | 14:27 |
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| sgordon | bryan_att, we're not talking about the telco wg atm | 14:27 |
| sgordon | we are talking about the design summit sessions | 14:27 |
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| sgordon | and how they are scheduled | 14:27 |
| bryan_att | OK, the design summit. got it. | 14:27 |
| bryan_att | I'll wait | 14:27 |
| HKirksey | Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what’s the difference of intent between the telco session in Ops and design summit sessions? | 14:27 |
| dneary | adrian-hoban, My goal is to figure out how much of a hurry I need to put on project owners to get blueprint drafts in shape for Gerrit review, and how they would go about proposing a summit session once they are (Steve answered the 2nd part) | 14:28 |
| sgordon | there wont be a telco-specific session in the design summit | 14:28 |
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| sgordon | design session topics are generally more specific to a) a project and b) a particular problem | 14:28 |
| aveiga | design summit is for ATCs only and focused on the projects like nova/ neutron, etc. Telco ops session is for operators to discuss issues/needs | 14:28 |
| dneary | HKirksey, design summit is for projects, ops summit is for use-cases, which can traverse many projects | 14:28 |
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| sgordon | what makes more sense is kind of what dave is getting at which is that a Nova session on HA for example might make sense - *if* a relevant proposal exists to illustrate why a session is needed | 14:29 |
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| sgordon | (im assuming here dneary is talking about VM HA) | 14:29 |
| aveiga | yes, we would ideally take identified project gaps to design summit sessions | 14:30 |
| sgordon | right | 14:30 |
| dneary | One more follow-up re fault management: there are 3 blueprints right now being worked on - one for Nova (expose hardware events through Nova) and two for Ceilometer (reacting to hardware events) | 14:30 |
| dneary | Does a design summit session have to restrict its scope to a single OpenStack project? | 14:30 |
| sgordon | yeah so almost inevitably the ceilometer response to that iwll | 14:30 |
| sgordon | be | 14:30 |
| sgordon | "nova doesnt emit such events, come back when it does" | 14:31 |
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| sgordon | there is the possiblity of a cross-project session | 14:31 |
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| dneary | sgordon, I'm talking about: https://wiki.opnfv.org/requirements_projects/high_availability_for_opnfv - so VM HA | 14:31 |
| sgordon | but typically this has been seen as more for items that touch *every* project | 14:31 |
| dneary | But multisite is VIM "HA" | 14:31 |
| dneary | sgordon, OK, understood | 14:31 |
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| sgordon | dneary, my fair warning with multi site would be that unless the proposal has changed significantly this actually had a session last summit | 14:32 |
| sgordon | and the community direction was not to actively pursue it within the existing projects | 14:33 |
| sgordon | (not that this prevents anyone working on it in the stackforge repo it currently has) | 14:33 |
| adrian-hoban | Re alarms, a more fundamental discussion is what is the required performance of alarm delivery. This has not shown up in OPNFV yet | 14:33 |
| margaret__ | I understand it was a 2 hour discussion at the Openstack board - multi-site and what is the defnition of multi-site | 14:33 |
| margaret__ | Multi-site is important for telcos - so we should somehow pursue it - but with progress | 14:34 |
| sgordon | margaret__, i am actually referring to the session where actual design work occurs | 14:34 |
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| margaret__ | sgordon_ yes i understand.. | 14:34 |
| sgordon | for a variety of reasons that i dont necessarily agree with i would say the community doesnt have great visibility into the ins and outs of any discussions that happen in the context of the board | 14:35 |
| sgordon | anyway | 14:35 |
| dneary | sgordon, Noted | 14:35 |
| sgordon | one last summit topic i want to hit ! | 14:35 |
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| margaret__ | multi-site is an OPNFV topic.. | 14:35 |
| sgordon | so multi-site doesnt require changes to OpenStack? | 14:35 |
| dneary | margaret__, We're still working through what exactly multisite means in OPNFV afaict | 14:36 |
| sgordon | #topic OPNFV day | 14:36 |
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| sgordon | one last thing i wanted to highlight | 14:36 |
| margaret__ | dneary_ yes once we decide what we mean by multi-site - we can then decide how it fits into openstack | 14:36 |
| sgordon | there is again early in the week some space allocated for "related" projects | 14:36 |
| dneary | margaret__, Agreed. | 14:36 |
| sgordon | including OPNFV | 14:36 |
| sgordon | OPNFV will have space on the monday from after the keynotes until the booth crawl in the evening | 14:37 |
| sgordon | #link https://openstacksummitmay2015vancouver.sched.org/event/dbd2188f366a132cd38bd3e3811cb338#.VSUdI-TofCE | 14:37 |
| sgordon | i defer to HKirksey on how that space/time might be divided up at the moment which is i believe still being planned | 14:37 |
| HKirksey | Yes, it’s still being planned | 14:37 |
| sgordon | but wanted to highlight it again just so people are aware that there will be like minded folk gathering to discuss topics that are likely of interest | 14:38 |
| bryan_att | do we need to issue a use case (step #1 above) to propose a session topic for the OPNFV day or the Telco WG sessions? | 14:38 |
| HKirksey | If anyone from this group has suggestions, we’re open to them | 14:38 |
| sgordon | bryan_att, for the telco wg session if we get it then it will be a 90 minute working group session | 14:38 |
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| bryan_att | OK, so not much time | 14:39 |
| sgordon | we would likely try and structure it based on time for process updates/review and then working through examples based on use cases submitted/merged | 14:39 |
| adrian-hoban | HKirksey: We should discuss OPNFV/TelcoWG collaboration | 14:39 |
| adrian-hoban | And if possible, include ETSI-NFV spec alignment in that too | 14:39 |
| sgordon | we can try and schedule time to discuss evolving use cases on a more adhoc basis i think | 14:39 |
| adrian-hoban | Quite a long chain of events to get a feature from ETSI-NFV, through OPNFV and into OpenStack right now... | 14:40 |
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| bryan_att | we are trying to collapse that waterfall | 14:41 |
| bryan_att | start in the middle and work outward | 14:41 |
| sgordon | adrian-hoban, at the moment we're more focussed on opnfv<->telcowg i think | 14:41 |
| sgordon | adrian-hoban, i would like to deal with the ETSI end as well but that's a bit too much for me to chew ;p | 14:41 |
| adrian-hoban | sgordon: Ok, fair enough | 14:42 |
| margaret__ | we are trying to get the ETSI to go through OPNFV... | 14:42 |
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| sgordon | margaret__, yes | 14:43 |
| sgordon | margaret__, pragmatically though we havent really seen a lot of energy from ETSI going through anyone though | 14:43 |
| sgordon | but anyway | 14:43 |
| bryan_att | the good thing is that we (as members) are in both places and can make the agile collaboration happen anyway | 14:44 |
| adrian-hoban | bryan_att: Agreed | 14:44 |
| sgordon | #topic use cases | 14:45 |
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| sgordon | 15 min left so i wanted to make sure we touch this | 14:45 |
| dneary | sgordon, margaret__: There has been some good change recently in ETSI NFV processes - I'm hopeful we can get ppl from ETSI engaged in project definition in OPNFV, and ensure they're providing guidance and comments on blueprints being reviewed in OpenStack | 14:45 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/telcowg-usecases,n,z | 14:45 |
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| sgordon | sooo we have the three use cases in the queue atm | 14:47 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163399/ | 14:47 |
| sgordon | security segregation being the one closest to merge | 14:48 |
| matrohon | 4; I just added the BGPVPN use case :) | 14:48 |
| aveiga | good! | 14:48 |
| bryan_att | my impression is that the use cases are pretty broadly defined in some cases | 14:48 |
| aveiga | all of them deserve reviews | 14:48 |
| sgordon | just wanted to get Dennis's feedback to ensure that the comments were actioned | 14:48 |
| sgordon | aveiga, +1 | 14:48 |
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| cloudon1 | soon will be 5 once I add virtual SBC | 14:48 |
| sgordon | bryan_att, i think the expectation is that if people think they should be more detailed in places then they add comments to that effect | 14:49 |
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| bryan_att | I guess I meant that the scope is large in some cases | 14:50 |
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| sgordon | that is probably to be expected | 14:50 |
| sgordon | comes back to what aveiga was talking about earlier about tracking out the gaps into actionable work items | 14:50 |
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| vks | sgordon, that wd be gud | 14:51 |
| bryan_att | if I were to address the larger issues around policy management across VIMs and why we likely need a bifurcated approach across VIMs for now, and how OpenStack might change to address that bifurcation, would that fit into what "use cases" are meant to be? | 14:51 |
| aveiga | I think scoping on the use cases is going to depend on the case. Sometimes getting more granular doesnt' necessarily help the gap analysis | 14:51 |
| aveiga | bryan_att: I think that's a discussion worth having as not everyone even understands that problem | 14:52 |
| bryan_att | that's where I was going with the session ideas note for Vancouver - but I can work on a use case doc if that's the best first step | 14:52 |
| sgordon | i think it might be | 14:52 |
| sgordon | the thing with the sessions is typically a design session is 40 mins | 14:53 |
| sgordon | 90 mins for one of these ops summit working groups | 14:53 |
| aveiga | it's possible that's a good pod discussion | 14:53 |
| sgordon | if you have to spend too much time baselining people | 14:53 |
| sgordon | then you are already racing the clock | 14:53 |
| sgordon | aveiga +1 | 14:53 |
| bryan_att | agreed | 14:53 |
| aveiga | why don't we get a pod discussion up about that when the etherpads open? If it's policy maybe we start with the Congress pod? | 14:54 |
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| sgordon | yeah | 14:54 |
| adrian-hoban | It would be great if we could use the time together to identify actionable gaps on the use cases that we merge beforehand | 14:54 |
| sgordon | #info Need to create pod discussions once the etherpads for them open for topics that may not quite fit into a design session mold | 14:55 |
| aveiga | adrian-hoban: this sounds like a pod discussion too, since it's active work on a topic | 14:55 |
| aveiga | I'd say a BoF, but there's no officially designated space for those | 14:56 |
| sgordon | yeah | 14:56 |
| sgordon | there were some complaints about that last time but i believe vancouver space had already been allocated | 14:56 |
| sgordon | i think they are going to try do something more formal for BoFs for tokyo | 14:56 |
| HKirksey | Would some time for that be a useful thing to possisbly do at OPNFV Day at Monday? | 14:58 |
| aveiga | HKirksey: yes! | 14:58 |
| sgordon | yes i think so | 14:58 |
| adrian-hoban | aveiga: Do you think we would get suitable representation from the projects at the pod sessions? | 14:58 |
| aveiga | adrian-hoban: I do not know | 14:59 |
| aveiga | it depends on how we phrase the topic | 14:59 |
| aveiga | and how interested individuals are | 14:59 |
| sgordon | #action HKirksey to look at allocating some time in OPNFV day for additional telco working group time to look at actionable gaps for existing use cases | 14:59 |
| sgordon | yeah | 15:00 |
| sgordon | i would look at it this way | 15:00 |
| HKirksey | Ok, another stupid question…what are pod sessions? | 15:00 |
| sgordon | if a topic is not accepted to the design session | 15:00 |
| sgordon | doesnt fit in the time for the ops session | 15:00 |
| sgordon | what other option do you currently have that would get more project representation? | 15:00 |
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| HKirksey | ok thanks, sgordon | 15:00 |
| sgordon | HKirksey, basically there are some informal "pods" | 15:00 |
| sgordon | in the design summit area usually | 15:00 |
| sgordon | basically a round table with ~8 chairs | 15:01 |
| sgordon | that can be booked for a session at a time | 15:01 |
| aveiga | ad-hoc bookings, btw | 15:01 |
| sgordon | usually they have some kind of project name or general topic so that they are roughly grouped by area of interest | 15:01 |
| aveiga | usually first come first served | 15:01 |
| dneary | thanks | 15:01 |
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| adrian-hoban | One more topic, possibly for next time. When it comes to prioritization discussions in the projects, we need Telco representation, or risk any traction being lost | 15:02 |
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| sgordon | adrian-hoban, do you mean pre summit or the sessions during summit? | 15:03 |
| adrian-hoban | sgordon: During | 15:04 |
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| sgordon | ack | 15:04 |
| sgordon | i had discussed with HKirksey producing a cheat sheet again | 15:04 |
| adrian-hoban | Last time, we had a great joint discussion with the Nova guys, the next day they had a priority discussion, and several of the Telco items didn't make the cut | 15:04 |
| sgordon | relevant sessions for telco/nfv | 15:04 |
| sgordon | well in fairness i was at the priority session | 15:04 |
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| HKirksey | Will having more of us at a priority session be useful? | 15:05 |
| sgordon | so it was represented but not seen as being as important as the items that did have core buy in | 15:05 |
| adrian-hoban | Several were, but we didn't have the same representation as the day before | 15:05 |
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| adrian-hoban | If numbers count... | 15:05 |
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| sgordon | in general i would say it's useful to have more technical people who own the actual implementation | 15:05 |
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| sgordon | i need to cut this off | 15:05 |
| sgordon | we're 5m over and i need to follow jaypipes into the skies | 15:05 |
| sgordon | ;p | 15:05 |
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| adrian-hoban | Tends to bite at the backend when there is core reviewer pressure | 15:06 |
| sgordon | #info need to ensure design session representation | 15:06 |
| sgordon | #endmeeting | 15:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 8 15:06:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:06 |
| sgordon | thanks all! | 15:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-04-08-14.00.html | 15:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-04-08-14.00.txt | 15:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-04-08-14.00.log.html | 15:06 |
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| GLaupre | 1 hour in advance.. | 15:26 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello ML2 folks | 15:59 |
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| rkukura | hi | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | waiting for others to show up | 16:01 |
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| amotoki | hi | 16:02 |
| shivharis | hi | 16:02 |
| yamahata | hello | 16:02 |
| amotoki | there seems very small folks | 16:02 |
| rkukura | hi again | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 8 16:03:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: it seems that way - on west coast people are still waking up :-) | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_April_8.2C_2015 | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements - | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | Kilo is in the final stages - RC1 is due any day now | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | Final release due on 30th April | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | Kyle has scheduled Liberty mid-cycle sprint already | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | generally mid-cycle sprint is announced at the summit - but, he has already planned it | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | It is going to take place in Colorado June 24-26 | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | I thought I pass this information along, as some of us attended the last sprint | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | If you plan to attend, it gives a lot of planning time | 16:07 |
| rkukura | Wondering including sync/error/tasks in this sprint would make sense? | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | Wondering if ... | 16:07 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: we can bring it up with mestery and see if likes that idea | 16:07 |
| amotoki | though I could not attend the last code sprint, AFAIK small groups are formed per topic. | 16:08 |
| rkukura | amotoki: right | 16:08 |
| amotoki | so I think it is a good candidate. | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki: correct | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | would depend on whether the right people could make it | 16:08 |
| HenryG | The liberty laundry list includes splitting out ML2, not sure if that will be worked on at the sprint. | 16:08 |
| rkukura | HenryG: To a separate repo? | 16:08 |
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| HenryG | rkukura: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-neutron-summit-topics | 16:09 |
| shivharis | should we decide at the summit what we may have for mid-cycle | 16:09 |
| HenryG | rkukura: #3 | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | HenryG: so, this could still be included in the agenda | 16:10 |
| rkukura | ok, slightly obfuscated | 16:10 |
| shivharis | i was hoping sync/tasks should be done at summit - | 16:10 |
| rkukura | shivharis: This is a code sprint - design should be agreed at the summit | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura HenryG: shall we discuss with mestery about this? | 16:11 |
| shivharis | ah.. ok | 16:11 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: I think we should run both ideas (split and/or task stuff) by mestery | 16:12 |
| HenryG | Sukhdev: I think mestery is still asking whether it makes sense. please provide feedback | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | #action: rkukura and Sukhdev to discuss with mestery about task flow during mid-cycle sprint | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | Any body has any other announcement? | 16:13 |
| * Sukhdev waiting | 16:13 | |
| shivharis | actually regarding kilo... | 16:13 |
| shivharis | what is the cutoff for Release Notes for kilo, and where does one find this document? | 16:13 |
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| shivharis | also - is this an openstack wide document or neutron | 16:14 |
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| Sukhdev | HenryG amotoki: do you know? | 16:14 |
| amotoki | no specific info from me. in the past release the wiki page is created | 16:15 |
| amotoki | and everyone can add appropriate information. | 16:15 |
| HenryG | Best to check with mestery | 16:15 |
| shivharis | when you want to deprecate code, it goes into release notes for one cycle and then removed after that.. | 16:16 |
| shivharis | HenryG: ok, will do thanks | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | #action: shivharis to find the information about release notes for Kilo and share with the team | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | anything else? | 16:16 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Action items from last week | 16:17 |
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| Sukhdev | we have few action items | 16:17 |
| shivharis | will be absent next week, will monitor bugs if there is an issue will jump in.. | 16:17 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: you had an action - want to provide update? | 16:18 |
| shivharis | apologies will take care today... | 16:18 |
| shivharis | no update | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis to buy coffee for everybody :-):-) | 16:18 |
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| shivharis | ok next week coffee on me | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: You had an action - want to update? | 16:19 |
| rkukura | complete - item # 40 - others can embellish if desired | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: cool - thanks. | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | manish does not seem to be here | 16:20 |
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| Sukhdev | we'll skip his action and leave it on the agenda for next week - | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Mechanism Drivers and DVR discussion | 16:20 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: Can you please lead this? | 16:20 |
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| rkukura | sure | 16:20 |
| rkukura | I kind of outlined it in the agenda - will quickly summarize here | 16:21 |
| rkukura | In working on the DVR schema/logic cleanup, which won’t make kilo, I discovered much of the DVR distribute port binding is not covered at all by unit tests | 16:21 |
| rkukura | I could comment out important code and all tests still passed! | 16:22 |
| amotoki | really bad news :- | 16:22 |
| rkukura | So I started extending the test_port_binding tests that use mechanism_test that has asserts regarding the PortContext state to test the key DVR functions | 16:23 |
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| rkukura | In doing this, I discovered a number of issues | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | armax carl_baldwin are you guys around? Perhaps want to join this discussion | 16:23 |
| rkukura | I’m thinking it makes sense to merge the tests and fixes for these issues either for a kilo RC, or soon after kilo for back-port | 16:24 |
| rkukura | I discussed this a bit with mestery yesterday | 16:24 |
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| armax | rkukura: most of the unit coverage for DVR is useless | 16:25 |
| rkukura | So today here I’d like to try to get consensus on the fixes and whether its reasonable to get them into kilo one way or the other | 16:25 |
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| armax | rkukura: we’re striving to provide functional coverage instead | 16:25 |
| armax | which is way more effective | 16:25 |
| armax | and we’re working on multi-node support | 16:25 |
| armax | that’s the real silver bullet | 16:25 |
| armax | granted unit coverage is poor | 16:25 |
| armax | but the same can be said for many other areas of Neutron | 16:26 |
| rkukura | armax: I completely agree we need functional coverage, but I think we can extend the current port binding unit tests to cover DVR cases | 16:26 |
| armax | as for DVR in particular, we can add further increase unit coverage | 16:26 |
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| armax | but even with the one we have, many issues still crept in because are mostly integration issue | 16:26 |
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| rkukura | armax: that’s the idea - my point here is to discuss some issues that have turned up | 16:27 |
| armax | rkukura: yes, agreed | 16:27 |
| armax | rkukura: I am just giving you an update as to why you perceive that that area has been neglected | 16:27 |
| rkukura | First, is anyone aware of any ToR switch or controller MDs that have been tested with DVR? | 16:27 |
| rkukura | armax: appreciated! | 16:28 |
| armax | rkukura: but I can only welcome your help and support in cleaning up the area! | 16:28 |
| rkukura | armax: Wish I could do it more quickly but plugging along at it | 16:28 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: We tried to test DVR with Arista driver - ran into one issue (the host-id) in the update-port sometimes is not correct | 16:29 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: That sounds like one of the issues I hit | 16:29 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: I wanted to test/verify before opened a bug for this | 16:29 |
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| rkukura | The mechanism_test driver has asserts for what it thinks the rules are for the state of PortContext passed to the MDs | 16:30 |
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| rkukura | I’ve added some asserts and some logic to this to cover the DVR cases (i.e. binding:vif_type of ‘distributed’) | 16:30 |
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| rkukura | My view is that, for DVR distributed ports, update operations should be seen by MDs either as a host-independent update or as a host-specific update | 16:31 |
| rkukura | So something like changing the name of a port would be a simple host-independent update, just like for non-DVR ports | 16:31 |
| rkukura | The MDs would see vif_type=‘distributed’ and host_id=‘’ for these | 16:32 |
| rkukura | And that much works fine | 16:32 |
| rkukura | But when a port binding is committed, the state should completely reflect the host-specific state | 16:32 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: empty host_id does not help us. We need to know which host it is being paced so that we can plumb the networking at TOR | 16:33 |
| rkukura | In this case, the vif_type should transition from ‘unbound’ to a real value, the binding_levels should be there, etc. | 16:33 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Right, when the binding is committed, host_id should specify which host is being bound, both in previous and current dicts | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: you mean pass the host_id in bind_port() as opposed to update_port() ? | 16:35 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Both | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: if it is in both, that is great and will work just fine | 16:35 |
| rkukura | My patch as a straightforward fix to the current code for the host_id in the update_port following committing a binding | 16:35 |
| rkukura | First, does anyone see any issue with that particular fix? | 16:36 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: Let me review your patch (I have not done it already) perhaps this will solve the issues that we are observing | 16:36 |
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| banix | is there a patch ut there or this is your thinking? | 16:37 |
| banix | the logic sounds right | 16:37 |
| rkukura | I haven’t posted the patch yet, or even a bug report - trying to get some consensus here on what the proper behaviour should be first | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: no wonder I can't find it :-) | 16:38 |
| rkukura | OK, so the trickier part is with the port_update that occurs during get_device_details to change the port status | 16:38 |
| banix | rkukura: +1for the approch | 16:38 |
| rkukura | Here, the port’s overall status is updated to some combination of all the host-specific port statuses | 16:38 |
| rkukura | Its occuring during an RPC that is specific to one host | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: in term of timings, if we acted on update_port() I hope it is not too late to act | 16:39 |
| rkukura | but the PortContext contents is a mish-mash of host-specific and host-independent data | 16:39 |
| rkukura | So I need to decide whether to call update_port methods with host-specific status changes, or only when the overall port status changes, or maybe somehow do both | 16:41 |
| rkukura | This really boils down to what do the MDs need? | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: we act on update_port() and if the host specific information comes late, it may be problematic for us | 16:42 |
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| rkukura | The current code calls update_port methods on the MDs for every individual host’s status changes, so I’m leaning towards just fixing it to have the PortContext reflect that specific host’s state - i.e. have that host’s vif_type rather than ‘distributed’, etc. | 16:42 |
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| Sukhdev | that should work for us….How about others? | 16:43 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: I think the update_port for the commit of the port binding is likely what you act on, or do you defintely act on the port status change that follows when the agent makes the get_device_details RPC? | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I will go back and check to be sure | 16:44 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: thanks | 16:44 |
| shivharis | i think this is going to be too much update information that may not be useful - but more info is alright if some MD can use it | 16:45 |
| rkukura | I’d appreciate if other MD maintainers that care about DVR also check into this. | 16:45 |
| banix | rkukura: an email to the ML may be needed | 16:45 |
| rkukura | For now, I’ll plan to fix the per-host status update to have consistent state, and we could look at changing it later if needed | 16:45 |
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| rkukura | banix: makes sense, along with filing a bug | 16:46 |
| rkukura | hoping to wrap up this patch this week | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: I think this will be needed to plumb the physical part of tun interfaces connectivity | 16:46 |
| amotoki | i think mechanism driver may want to be called when port status changes from RPC. it is not DVR specific and may be another topic. | 16:47 |
| rkukura | I don’t want to take too much of the meeting with this, but think we covered the basics and can followup on email and gerrity | 16:47 |
| rkukura | amotoki: My overall goals is to abolutely minimize the special casing for DVR | 16:47 |
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| rkukura | My other patch (for liberty now) makes the non-DVR case work just like DVR, but with only a single host | 16:47 |
| rkukura | So bringing the DVR behavior into line with the non-DVR behabior really helps | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: thank you for driving this | 16:48 |
| amotoki | really sounds reasonable. | 16:48 |
| rkukura | I think we can move on unless anyone has something to add | 16:49 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: Thanks for the update | 16:49 |
| banix | rkukura: thats great | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | shall we move on? | 16:49 |
| rkukura | armax: sound OK to you so far? | 16:49 |
| * Sukhdev waiting | 16:50 | |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: ML2 Drivers Decomposition | 16:50 |
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| Sukhdev | I think we are in good shape on this subject | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | I kept it on the agenda just to be sure | 16:51 |
| rkukura | Lets think about what we’d want to cover at the summit on this | 16:51 |
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| Sukhdev | Anybody has any questions or any information to share on this topic | 16:51 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: HenryG hinted on the idea of moving ML2 out of the tree | 16:52 |
| * Sukhdev time check | 16:53 | |
| rkukura | Sukhdev, HenryG: I’m hoping this would mean moving it to a separate repo within the neutron project | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: correct | 16:53 |
| rkukura | Definitely a good topic for the summit | 16:53 |
| rkukura | along with the L2 agents, etc. | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis has an action to add this to summit topic - perhaps this can be added there | 16:54 |
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| shivharis | ok will do | 16:54 |
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| shivharis | that as well | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | Since Manish is not here, I am going to skip task flow | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Bugs | 16:55 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: anything quick? | 16:55 |
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| shivharis | bugs look fine at this stage for the kilo release | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | we have 5 min | 16:55 |
| shivharis | if anyone has any issues please raise now.. | 16:55 |
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| shivharis | i will be off next week bug will keep a tab on the bugs in case some showstopper shows up | 16:55 |
| rkukura | manishg just emailed that he missed last week and this week, and maybe next week due to jury duty | 16:55 |
| shivharis | s/bug/but/ | 16:56 |
| shivharis | that all from me... moving on.. | 16:56 |
| shivharis | thanks | 16:56 |
| GLaupre | buts? :) | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | GLaupre:-):-) shivharis had too much coffee this morning :-) | 16:57 |
| GLaupre | ha ha | 16:57 |
| shivharis | i do not do s/but/bug/g 'g was missing so only applies to the first one | 16:57 |
| GLaupre | right | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: thanks for the update | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Open Discussion | 16:58 |
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| Sukhdev | we have 2 mins - anybody wants to discuss anything? | 16:58 |
| Sukhdev | like how is weather outside? | 16:58 |
| banix | was hoping for the sping to start around here… not there yet though! | 16:59 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: I can see parts of my yard again :) | 16:59 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks, thanks for attending todays meeting - it was very informative and productive | 16:59 |
| rkukura | Thanks Sukhdev! | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 8 17:00:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-04-08-16.03.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-04-08-16.03.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-04-08-16.03.log.html | 17:00 |
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| rkukura | bye | 17:00 |
| yamahata | bye | 17:00 |
| GLaupre | bye | 17:00 |
| banix | bye | 17:00 |
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| Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 8 17:00:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:01 |
| Kiall | Heya - Who's about? | 17:01 |
| elarson | o/ | 17:01 |
| vinod1 | o/ | 17:01 |
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| timsim | o? | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | #link https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/kilo-rc1 | 17:01 |
| Kiall | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-kilo-rc1-reviews | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | So, we've got a few things left on the board before we cut rc1 - I think the 2 we care about most are: | 17:02 |
| Kiall | bug 1441283 | 17:02 |
| openstack | bug 1441283 in Designate "API v2 allows editing of managed=True records" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441283 - Assigned to Graham Hayes (grahamhayes) | 17:02 |
| Kiall | bug 1441286 | 17:02 |
| openstack | bug 1441286 in Designate "X-Sudo-Tenant-ID has disappeared" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441286 - Assigned to Graham Hayes (grahamhayes) | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | and the "Mark API v2 Stable" BP | 17:02 |
| Kiall | Graham has those 2 bugs in progress, 1 has a review up, the other is nearly up AFAIK | 17:02 |
| Kiall | So - 1st Q - Are we missing anything critical off the board? | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | Should I take that as a no? :D | 17:04 |
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| vinod1 | yes | 17:04 |
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| elarson | nothing else critical that I know of | 17:04 |
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| mugsie | o/ | 17:05 |
| Kiall | lol - just realized mugsie isn't here.. shouted over the partition at him ;) | 17:05 |
| Kiall | Repating the Q for mugsie.. So - 1st Q - Are we missing anything critical off the board? | 17:05 |
| Kiall | known critical being the 2 bugs your working on now, + mark v2 stable BP | 17:05 |
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| mugsie | missing - no | 17:06 |
| mugsie | we have some on the board we probably want to kick | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | Agreed - Lower than Critical, we can push IMO | 17:06 |
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| mugsie | ++ | 17:07 |
| Kiall | Okay - So, The Second Q is.. Are we ready to Mark V2 Stable? | 17:07 |
| mugsie | well.... PUT vs PATCH | 17:07 |
| mugsie | I am ok with what we have | 17:07 |
| Kiall | mugsie: too late at this point, will annoy me forever, but whatever ;) | 17:07 |
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| * mugsie does the happy dance | 17:08 | |
| Kiall | lol | 17:08 |
| Kiall | others - thoughts? Are we ready to commit to the API + backwards compat? | 17:08 |
| vinod1 | i wanted to test of the new pools api a bit before committing to that | 17:08 |
| vinod1 | s/of/out | 17:08 |
| timsim | Yeah it seems like the Pool API might change a bit, as more of that stuff gets into the database | 17:09 |
| rjrjr | do we have documentation for the new pool API? | 17:09 |
| Kiall | Okay, So we'll cut rc1 with EXPERIMENTAL, and cut an rc2 with STABLE over the next few days? | 17:09 |
| Kiall | ttx: is that an acceptable thing ^ | 17:09 |
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| mugsie | i think we should do an RC2 with one extra commit | 17:10 |
| Kiall | rjrjr: API hasn't changed much, I just just couldn't get that part in in time :( But, the main piece (split of nameservers -> targets + nameservers) landed | 17:10 |
| mugsie | (the turning v2 stable, and v1 depricated) | 17:10 |
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| Kiall | So - Assuming Thierry agrees it's acceptable, seems he's AFK, we'll hold off marking V2 stable and cut an rc2 with either just that, or that + any new bugs.. Everyone happy with that direction? | 17:11 |
| timsim | I'm assuming you don't want to get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170612/ in Kilo? | 17:12 |
| rjrjr | Kiall: +1 | 17:12 |
| timsim | Otherwise, sounds good. | 17:13 |
| Kiall | timsim: it's really just too late I think, unless it's fixing a critical bug :( | 17:13 |
| timsim | Yeah, not really. | 17:13 |
| timsim | Totally fine. | 17:13 |
| vinod1 | +1 for kiall's suggestion | 17:13 |
| Kiall | (Unless we can classify sending too many NOTIFY's as a critical bug, which could easily be argued for) | 17:13 |
| timsim | I don't think it is. | 17:14 |
| mugsie | ok, seems we are agreed | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | Okay, Great. Assuming Thierry agrees, let's prioritize getting those last 2 bugs merged.. then we cut rc1 and open Liberty :) | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | Sorry - Distracted by a phone call ... back | 17:16 |
| Kiall | Beyond that, we're in good shape I think.. Myself, ekarlso, mugsie will be in Norway for all next week .. We'll be spending a good chunk of time on testing the k release.. So I expect we'll have a pile more bugs then. | 17:17 |
| Kiall | Ideally, others can dig into the RC once we cut it too :) | 17:18 |
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| Kiall | Anyway, Since we're fairly happy with K, and V2 stable, we're out of agenda items. | 17:18 |
| Kiall | (18 mins is a record length to get through planned agenda ;)) | 17:18 |
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| Kiall | Any other topics / concerns / etc ? | 17:19 |
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| vinod1 | none from me | 17:19 |
| mugsie | talk planning | 17:19 |
| mugsie | do we want to do it? | 17:19 |
| mugsie | (like previos years) | 17:19 |
| timsim | Definitely. | 17:19 |
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| mugsie | how does later in week work for people? | 17:20 |
| mugsie | in the* | 17:20 |
| mugsie | for the inital kick off | 17:20 |
| timsim | Works fine for me | 17:20 |
| mugsie | who else is down for the workshop? | 17:21 |
| rjrjr | works for me. | 17:21 |
| vinod1 | i'm down for the workshop | 17:21 |
| Kiall | Yep, week is pretty jammed but I'll make a slot when people are free. | 17:21 |
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| mugsie | ok, will send something out after this | 17:21 |
| Kiall | mugsie: cool - thanks | 17:21 |
| Kiall | I have another quick one - Liberty Cycle PTL elections are happening.. I've nominated myself, as always, anyone is free to nonimate themselves. | 17:22 |
| Kiall | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Elections_April_2015 | 17:22 |
| Kiall | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/060928.html | 17:22 |
| vinod1 | kiall: do we need to do a +1 for your ptl candidacy? | 17:22 |
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| Kiall | vinod1: Nope, not unless another candidate nominates themselves, and if they do, you will get a link to vote Apr 10th ish | 17:22 |
| Kiall | Okay - So, any other topics or do we all get 30 mins back? :) | 17:24 |
| elarson | just a fyi, the hook api is in a reviewable state | 17:24 |
| elarson | no rush of course | 17:24 |
| mugsie | elarson: cool | 17:24 |
| elarson | post release is totally fine, but I did want to let folks know if they were curious | 17:24 |
| mugsie | that will be post rc1 cut and the new branch cut | 17:24 |
| bharath_ | what workshop is this ? | 17:24 |
| mugsie | bharath_: for the OpenStack Summit in Vancouver | 17:25 |
| bharath_ | I might make it and so do count me in | 17:25 |
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| mugsie | great :) | 17:25 |
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| Kiall | Okay, guess that's it so! Thanks guys, looking forward to curtting RC1 :) Keep an eye on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-kilo-rc1-reviews for the second bug review to show up ;) | 17:26 |
| mugsie | its up ;) | 17:26 |
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| Kiall | Not on the list ;) | 17:27 |
| Kiall | Thanks all! Cya at the workshop planning session later this week :) | 17:27 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:27 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 8 17:27:35 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:27 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-04-08-17.00.html | 17:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-04-08-17.00.txt | 17:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-04-08-17.00.log.html | 17:27 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 8 18:01:47 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:01 |
| amrith | ./ | 18:02 |
| sushilkm | hello all | 18:02 |
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| georgelorch | o/ | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | Giving folks a couple of minutes to trickle in. | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | Agenda at: | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting#Weekly_Trove_Team_Meeting | 18:02 |
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| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | Short agenda today — should be a fairly quick meeting. | 18:03 |
| atomic77 | o/ | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | #topic Trove pulse update | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update | 18:04 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:04 |
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| SlickNik | Fairly consistent reviews this week as well — around the 1xx mark | 18:05 |
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| SlickNik | Also — I've been keeping an eye out on the average wait time — It's good to see that coming down across all changes. | 18:06 |
| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:06 |
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| SlickNik | (46 -> 24 -> 19 -> 14 days) | 18:07 |
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| amrith | amen to that! | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | I was going to look into trying to get some visualization of this data over time (now that we have more than a few datapoints). | 18:08 |
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| SlickNik | That would make it easier for us to look at every week — rather than the raw stats. | 18:08 |
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| SlickNik | Let's move on, if there are no questions. | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | . | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | #topic Exceptions in Unit Tests | 18:09 |
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| SlickNik | vgnbkr: around? | 18:09 |
| dougshelley66 | he just went to grab a coffee - back in one min | 18:10 |
| dougshelley66 | i suspect he figured agenda item 1 would take longer... :) | 18:10 |
| amrith | nice, coffee ... | 18:10 |
| vgnbkr | Hi. | 18:10 |
| SlickNik | hi vgnbkr | 18:11 |
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| vgnbkr | Just wanted to propose that we use assertRaisesWithRegexp instead of assertRaises wheneven we are checking errors against generic exceptions like TroveError or RuntimeError. | 18:11 |
| vgnbkr | Thought. | 18:11 |
| vgnbkr | Thoughts? | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | Sounds like a good proposal. | 18:12 |
| vgnbkr | Just checking RuntimeError, you could be getting the wrong one. | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | Right unless you checked the message in this case, you can't be sure that you're testing for the exact error that you're expecting. | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | Since there are multiple code paths that may raise a RuntimeError. | 18:13 |
| SlickNik | Sounds reasonable to me. | 18:13 |
| amrith | the proposal is to do this moving forward, right? | 18:13 |
| amrith | not to do a wholesale sweep | 18:13 |
| vgnbkr | Correct. I don't think it's worth doing a sweep to change what's already there. | 18:14 |
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| amrith | is this a cleanup for later, a cleanup over time, no benefit to cleaning up? | 18:15 |
| vgnbkr | I'd say cleanup over time. If a changeset affects a test, a reviewer can suggest updating the assertRaises. | 18:15 |
| sushilkm | one can do the cleanup also ... why not | 18:16 |
| amrith | I would rather not do the cleanup | 18:16 |
| amrith | it is not, I believe of sufficient incremental value | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | sushilkm: opportunity costs. | 18:16 |
| amrith | and merely a lot of code change | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | While it's possible that something else might be raising the same exception, and a bug might be lurking - it's also improbable. | 18:17 |
| vgnbkr | +1 SlickNik | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | Might make sense to focus development time on other pressing issues of higher importance. | 18:17 |
| amrith | +1 SlickNik | 18:17 |
| sushilkm | okies ... :) | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | Okay, looks like most folks are on board with this. | 18:18 |
| amrith | on board, +1 | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | Make it so. | 18:19 |
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| SlickNik | Let's move on with the agenda. | 18:19 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Liberty Design Summit sessions | 18:19 |
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| SlickNik | So ttx sent out an email regarding this recently | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | Let me find a link | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/060503.html | 18:20 |
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| SlickNik | I've been working with him, and it looks like in addition to the 3-4 traditional "fishbowl" sessions, we'll also have 4-5 working sessions, and the contributors meetup on Friday. | 18:21 |
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| SlickNik | I've set up an etherpad where we can brainstorm / discuss topics for the sessions at: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-liberty-proposed-sessions | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-liberty-proposed-sessions | 18:22 |
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| SlickNik | I'm going to add a couple of ideas I had for sessions to that etherpad later today — and I encourage everyone else to do the same. | 18:24 |
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| dougshelley66 | sounds good | 18:25 |
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| SlickNik | We have some time before we finalize the design summit schedule, so I'd like to kick this off and give us enough time to discuss this before we set the schedule in stone. | 18:25 |
| SlickNik | Also gives us the opportunity to figure out which sessions would be better as working sessions vs. fishbowl sessions since we have that distinction this Summit. | 18:26 |
| amrith | what is the difference between a fishbowl and a working session? | 18:27 |
| amrith | oh, that's the TL;DR | 18:27 |
| amrith | never mind | 18:27 |
| amrith | IR;IU | 18:27 |
| SlickNik | fishbowl session: large room, open discussions, everyone encouraged to attend (including users / operators) and provide feedback. | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | working session: sort of like the mid-cycle sprint. Mostly contributors, smaller audience / room. | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | Worth making the distinction in case others had that same question. | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | Okay, that's all I had on this. Any questions? | 18:29 |
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| SlickNik | . | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | Let's move on. | 18:30 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Open DIscussion | 18:30 |
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| SlickNik | Any items for open discussion today? | 18:31 |
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| SlickNik | . | 18:31 |
| SlickNik | Looks like no — so we can end early and give folks some of the time back! | 18:32 |
| SlickNik | Oh, just an FYI. | 18:32 |
| amrith | thanks SlickNik | 18:32 |
| SlickNik | I'm working with ttx to cut the kilo RC this week. | 18:32 |
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| SlickNik | So if there's a high-pri bug that you come across that should absolutely make it into kilo, please let me know ASAP. | 18:33 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 8 18:33:48 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-04-08-18.01.html | 18:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-04-08-18.01.txt | 18:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-04-08-18.01.log.html | 18:33 |
| SlickNik | Thanks everyone! | 18:33 |
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| johnsom | Thanks for joining jorgem | 19:59 |
| jorgem | np :) | 19:59 |
| dougwig | o/ | 20:00 |
| xgerman | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 8 20:00:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
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| johnsom | o/ | 20:04 |
| fnaval | o/ | 20:04 |
| ajmiller | o/ | 20:04 |
| xgerman | #chair blogan | 20:04 |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:04 |
| jorgem | o/ | 20:04 |
| blogan | hi! | 20:04 |
| TrevorV | o/ | 20:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: blogan xgerman | 20:04 |
| xgerman | #topic Announcements | 20:04 |
| ptoohill | o/ | 20:04 |
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| xgerman | meetbot stopped yielding to my commands | 20:04 |
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| dougwig | #action xgerman pull out hair | 20:04 |
| dougwig | i asked about it in infra. | 20:04 |
| * blogan kicks meetbot | 20:04 | |
| xgerman | thanks | 20:04 |
| dougwig | i think we can carry on... | 20:04 |
| xgerman | yeah | 20:04 |
| rm_work | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ | 20:04 |
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| xgerman | ok, after all the kicking - any announcements? | 20:04 |
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| xgerman | Anyhting from the Neutron meeting? | 20:04 |
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| dougwig | two notes. | 20:04 |
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| dougwig | RC1 is being cut tomorrow, so any last minute kilo bug fixes need to be in the merge queue today. | 20:04 |
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| dougwig | and the neutron mid-cycle for Liberty has been announced: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-liberty-mid-cycle | 20:04 |
| dougwig | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-liberty-mid-cycle | 20:04 |
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| johnsom | meetbot is sleepy today | 20:05 |
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| xgerman | ok, meetbot was just getting a coffee | 20:05 |
| ptoohill | +1, sleepy day | 20:05 |
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| jorgem | no more announcements? | 20:05 |
| xgerman | nope | 20:06 |
| xgerman | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:06 |
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| dougwig | none from me. i need to switch from Kilo to the neutron-lbaas driver this week. | 20:06 |
| ptoohill | Ive made a couple updates to templater. Begining to test drivers | 20:06 |
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| TrevorV | ssh_driver under review | 20:06 |
| * blogan kicks dougwig into action | 20:06 | |
| xgerman | api server almost done | 20:07 |
| TrevorV | I'm also updating the API PUT methods to have database updates after the queue | 20:07 |
| johnsom | Controller worker is progressing. All of the framework is there. I'm adding driver plugins with stevedore today. | 20:07 |
| ajmiller | Octavia devstack plugin is getting close. | 20:07 |
| ajmiller | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167796/ | 20:07 |
| blogan | network driver is almost complete, i will need to coordinate with johnsom on the changes needed from the controller worker's perspective | 20:07 |
| johnsom | TrevorV, I want to talk about that later in the agenda | 20:07 |
| jorgem | johnsom: Do you have a timeframe on when you think the controller worker will no longer be a WIP? | 20:07 |
| ajmiller | I have one TODO in there about shutdown tasks, for which I need working control plane to finish. | 20:08 |
| johnsom | jorgem That depends on our discussion about the api/db. I hope in the next week or two | 20:08 |
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| jorgem | johnsom: Gotcha, I'm guessing we will be talking about that later in the meeting | 20:09 |
| blogan | ajmiller: thanks, this will be great to have once we have an end 2 end | 20:09 |
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| xgerman | yep, people will want to download an dplay with it right after the demo in 6 weeks | 20:09 |
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| TrevorV | sorry, disconnected for a bit there... | 20:10 |
| xgerman | also mwang2 did some more work on the health manager and sballe is closer with the REST based driver | 20:10 |
| mwang2 | we had methos for health check in amphora driver, please reveiw and comment on the code too | 20:10 |
| mwang2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170599/ | 20:11 |
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| xgerman | any more progress? | 20:12 |
| TrevorV | johnsom you had to talk to me about something? Do you mean outside this meeting? | 20:12 |
| blogan | mwang2: just commented on that review | 20:12 |
| johnsom | TrevorV No, we can hit it in the API/DB agenda item | 20:12 |
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| TrevorV | Alrighty sounds good | 20:13 |
| mwang2 | blogan: thank you , let me take a look | 20:13 |
| xgerman | ok, | 20:13 |
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| xgerman | #topic Summer Midcycle for LBaaS/Octavia | 20:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summer Midcycle for LBaaS/Octavia (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:13 | |
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| xgerman | dougwig suggested having one and I was thinking about opening up to VPNaaS and FWaaS as well | 20:13 |
| blogan | dougwig wanted to do it in boise | 20:14 |
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| dougwig | i wouldn't be opposed to anywhere. certainly boise is available, but the group can decide. | 20:14 |
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| johnsom | Doesn't everything close at 7 in Boise? | 20:14 |
| xgerman | I can offer Seattle | 20:14 |
| blogan | we can offer San Antonio | 20:15 |
| * blogan shrugs | 20:15 | |
| jorgem | lol | 20:15 |
| dougwig | johnsom: ha. | 20:15 |
| jorgem | How about Hawaii? | 20:15 |
| jorgem | :) | 20:15 |
| johnsom | +2 for Hawaii | 20:15 |
| johnsom | RAX is sponsoring! | 20:15 |
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| jorgem | We won't be able to go but you guys can! | 20:15 |
| xgerman | lol | 20:15 |
| xgerman | Hawaii, TX? | 20:15 |
| dougwig | in boise, we can go out into the desert and shoot holes into hard drives containing v1. | 20:16 |
| jorgem | Sadly, that probably exists | 20:16 |
| ptoohill | +1 dougwig | 20:16 |
| ptoohill | sounds fun! | 20:16 |
| blogan | anyway, vpnaas, fwaas i dont mind joining, but that means there might need to be separated areas | 20:16 |
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| dougwig | vpn is usually just paul. :) | 20:16 |
| blogan | oh well i dont want him to come | 20:16 |
| xgerman | and FWaaS is a cardboard cutout | 20:17 |
| blogan | im kidding | 20:17 |
| blogan | fwaas guys usually push for the bay area | 20:17 |
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| xgerman | well, let's start an etherpad? | 20:19 |
| xgerman | and kick around some dates/venues | 20:19 |
| xgerman | also if we don't do some 150 mile radius around San Antonio how many of you can come? | 20:19 |
| johnsom | I will start one | 20:20 |
| ptoohill | :/ | 20:20 |
| xgerman | #action johnsom start midcycle etherpad | 20:20 |
| ptoohill | i will pay own way to drive a day a way. I would like to be part of these | 20:20 |
| blogan | xgerman: hard to say right now, we shall see | 20:20 |
| dougwig | mexico! | 20:20 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:20 |
| ptoohill | Thats def within a days drive ;) | 20:21 |
| blogan | juarez? | 20:21 |
| jorgem | ptoohill: so you saying stay in Texas then right? | 20:21 |
| jorgem | lol | 20:21 |
| rm_work | i'm down for the bay | 20:21 |
| rm_work | :P | 20:21 |
| ptoohill | eh, i can no-doze it | 20:21 |
| dougwig | bay area attracts too many tourists, IMO. | 20:21 |
| johnsom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LBaaS-FWaaS-VPNaaS_Summer_Midcycle_meetup | 20:21 |
| ptoohill | I just want to be part of these. | 20:21 |
| blogan | dougwig: maybe for neutron | 20:21 |
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| xgerman | ok, let's move on | 20:22 |
| xgerman | #topic Confirm API Server vs. Controller Worker database updates | 20:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Confirm API Server vs. Controller Worker database updates (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:22 | |
| TrevorV | Wait is this conversations concerning Octavia meetup or LBaaS meetup? | 20:22 |
| xgerman | Octavia, LBaaSm VPN, FW | 20:23 |
| blogan | btoh | 20:23 |
| xgerman | since the last two don't have a home | 20:23 |
| johnsom | Ok, so I am about to update the controller worker code for the database changes we have talked about previously. | 20:23 |
| dougwig | TrevorV: merged octavia/lbaas. | 20:24 |
| johnsom | I want to make sure that the Consumer Worker as coded here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149789/16/octavia/controller/queue/endpoint.py | 20:24 |
| johnsom | is the current plan. | 20:24 |
| jorgem | johnsom: yes, the idea was to make controller workers calls | 20:24 |
| johnsom | Meaning, when I am passed an ID the database was updated by something upstream of controller worker and I will reference. | 20:24 |
| jorgem | negative I believe the worker is updating the database | 20:25 |
| jorgem | the queue consumer is just a pass through delegator | 20:25 |
| johnsom | For updates I will be passed an object representing the end game for the object and I will update after success. | 20:25 |
| blogan | johnsom: the controller would update the entity to the object htat was passed to it | 20:25 |
| blogan | johnsom: the object passed to it will probably be a dictionary, and updated as a PATCH | 20:26 |
| jorgem | on updates you are given the updates as well as what is currently in the db | 20:26 |
| jorgem | oh wait err | 20:26 |
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| jorgem | updates are passed to you along with id | 20:27 |
| jorgem | so that you can make the appropriate db changes | 20:27 |
| blogan | and it will be update by patch, not full replace | 20:27 |
| johnsom | So, where is the data when I get "load_balancer_id" passed in for create_loadbalancer? | 20:27 |
| jorgem | in the database | 20:27 |
| blogan | johnsom: yes in the db | 20:27 |
| blogan | johnsom: the api will insert on create | 20:27 |
| sballe | xgerman: I am here sorry my other meeting ran over :-( | 20:27 |
| xgerman | cool | 20:28 |
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| jorgem | johnsom: The reason you need to update is that in the case of failure there is no way to go back to a good state in the db | 20:28 |
| johnsom | Ok, so where I only get IDs, you guys have already handled the DB insert. I only need to update status when I'm done and update DB for the changes passed in the update dict. | 20:29 |
| jorgem | correct | 20:29 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I'm good on the update. Just wanted to make sure on the rest | 20:29 |
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| blogan | johnsom: yes, you can always assume the object is there, its just on updates and deletes, you will need to make the update and delete calls to the db after the entire workflow has been successful | 20:29 |
| johnsom | Perfect! | 20:29 |
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| * TrevorV feels like johnsom didn't actually need him | 20:30 | |
| jorgem | if updates fail you rollback and the db doesn't get updated | 20:30 |
| xgerman | what about marking ERROR? | 20:30 |
| jorgem | still on the fence about putting the lb in an "ERROR" state in that case | 20:30 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:30 |
| jorgem | this is for 0.5 however | 20:30 |
| blogan | xgerman: i think it should be marked as ERROR, but it'll still be running | 20:30 |
| jorgem | for 1.0 we would want to make this more robust | 20:30 |
| blogan | yeah thats how i see it | 20:31 |
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| xgerman | mmh, so we have ERROR = broken and ERROR=still running | 20:31 |
| johnsom | TrevorV You mentioned API PUTs db and queue, so thought it might be related | 20:31 |
| TrevorV | It is, ha ha, my teammates just answered for me | 20:31 |
| jorgem | or perhaps a new status like "UPDATE_FAILED" | 20:31 |
| TrevorV | :( | 20:31 |
| blogan | well there needs to be some way to tell the user that something bad happened and their changes did not happen | 20:31 |
| xgerman | jorgem +1 | 20:31 |
| jorgem | again this if for 0.5 | 20:31 |
| jorgem | so we can still live with ERROR for that | 20:32 |
| blogan | not sure i like a lot of statuses | 20:32 |
| johnsom | Currently I am putting ERROR in on failure | 20:32 |
| ptoohill-oo | Do we not have a event feed planned? | 20:32 |
| jorgem | I really want to get to something demoable ASAP | 20:32 |
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| TrevorV | I like putting it into error state... since error state doesn't mean they're not serving traffic, it means something failed. | 20:32 |
| xgerman | well, you know how bad things have a live of their own :-) | 20:32 |
| blogan | maybe we should add another field that can say what went wrong | 20:32 |
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| ptoohill-oo | An event feed would be better solution | 20:32 |
| dougwig | a boolean field, called "towed" | 20:32 |
| blogan | ptoohill-oo: that will come in the future | 20:32 |
| xgerman | lol | 20:32 |
| johnsom | +1 towed | 20:32 |
| ptoohill-oo | So add a field for now? | 20:33 |
| ptoohill-oo | Then remove later because useless? | 20:33 |
| blogan | how bout just put it in ERROR for now, and improve it afetr the demo? | 20:33 |
| ptoohill-oo | Too easy | 20:33 |
| jorgem | I say leave as ERROR status since we are going to update the whole proivisiong error stuff in 1.0 anyway | 20:33 |
| TrevorV | I think OP_STATUS = ONLINE and PROV_STATUS = ERROR makes sense. | 20:33 |
| xgerman | I think status codes are cheap | 20:33 |
| johnsom | Let's get controller worker in with ERROR and revisit | 20:33 |
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| jorgem | +1 | 20:34 |
| johnsom | +1 blogan | 20:34 |
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| jorgem | again we want to have a demo in time for summit right? | 20:34 |
| xgerman | but +1 | 20:34 |
| blogan | xgerman: they're cheap, but feature creep likes to creep | 20:34 |
| johnsom | Yes, we really want a demo for summit | 20:34 |
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| xgerman | 6 weeks | 20:34 |
| ptoohill-oo | <six weeks | 20:34 |
| crc32 | 4 weeks now | 20:35 |
| blogan | johnsom: i still need to get with you on the network driver changes, and also the amphora driver changes | 20:35 |
| jorgem | johnsom: Was the db thing the only item you had questions on? | 20:35 |
| xgerman | crc32 you are taking vacation? | 20:35 |
| blogan | bc that will change what you insert in the db, and what you call | 20:35 |
| johnsom | jorgem, yes, that was my topic | 20:35 |
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| johnsom | blogan after this meeting chat? | 20:35 |
| xgerman | ok, moving on? | 20:35 |
| jorgem | johnsom: Cool let me know when I can review once you get the rest of your changes in | 20:36 |
| xgerman | #topic Review what still needs to be completed for the end to end demo | 20:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review what still needs to be completed for the end to end demo (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:36 | |
| blogan | johnsom: sure or i can just bring one of the items up as another topic at the end | 20:36 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:36 |
| TrevorV | Still could use more eyes on the ssh_driver review | 20:36 |
| TrevorV | I'll link | 20:36 |
| johnsom | jorgem you can hook up now, just no guarantee it will do the right thing yet | 20:36 |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160964/ | 20:36 |
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| johnsom | blogan topic at the end works too | 20:37 |
| xgerman | ok, so mostly we are lacking dougwig's lbaas-octavia driver | 20:37 |
| crc32 | don't forget to review --> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149079/ | 20:37 |
| xgerman | k | 20:38 |
| xgerman | so we have compute, network, amphora (ssh + hopfully soon REST) | 20:38 |
| xgerman | controller worker, queue consumer | 20:39 |
| blogan | its almost end to end | 20:39 |
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| johnsom | We are close | 20:40 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:40 |
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| dougwig | any chance HP can help accelerate horizon, so we can go from horizon to an amphora? | 20:40 |
| xgerman | mmh, will try | 20:41 |
| xgerman | also vijay might have that | 20:41 |
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| crc32 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149079/ | 20:42 |
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| xgerman | #topic Should Octavia use tempest or Rally for integration tests? - 2 | 20:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Should Octavia use tempest or Rally for integration tests? - 2 (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:43 | |
| crc32 | should we vote? | 20:43 |
| xgerman | did you guys have a chance to look? | 20:44 |
| blogan | i still believe tempest simple bc it is what openstack uses | 20:44 |
| TrevorV | +1 blogan | 20:44 |
| dougwig | +1 | 20:44 |
| xgerman | it's not about religion... | 20:44 |
| crc32 | +1 tempest | 20:44 |
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| dougwig | xgerman: do you have a compelling reason to switch? | 20:45 |
| rm_work | i don't care either way REALLY, but that makes me side with tempest just because then we're not different from how the rest of Openstack operates -- does that make sense? :/ | 20:45 |
| xgerman | I like the UI and also tempest-lib is a mess right now | 20:45 |
| blogan | its not, but i fear the day that we would have to refactor tests to use tempest from rally because of some rule | 20:45 |
| johnsom | Wondering if we are asking the right question... Doesn't Rally run tempest as an action? | 20:45 |
| fnaval | +1 cloudcafe | 20:46 |
| rm_work | lol | 20:46 |
| sballe | Do we know how many openstack projects have plans to move to rally? | 20:46 |
| * crc32 slaps fnaval around a bit with a large trout | 20:46 | |
| fnaval | oh, i mean opencafe | 20:46 |
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| dougwig | data points: rally was just accepted as an official openstack project. also, i don't know of any plans for neutron itself to abandon tempest. | 20:46 |
| dougwig | my gui is SSH, so i have no opinion on that point. | 20:47 |
| rm_work | same, lol | 20:47 |
| blogan | your gui is OS X crap | 20:47 |
| ptoohill | i would be fine using rally if it was req and/or other projects are moving to it. But, on that note, theres nothing stopping anyone from doing rally and/or tempest is there? | 20:47 |
| blogan | yeah similar to what we do with opencafe/cloudcafe | 20:48 |
| TrevorV | ptoohill the only thing is that we should have consensus. If we're using rally, we should use rally. Supporting 2 different technologies to complete a test suite is a bad idea. | 20:48 |
| crc32 | time to vote? | 20:48 |
| dougwig | well, our jobs are running vanilla devstack-gate, which is tempest aware. but then we override it and call tox, so I guess it could run anything. | 20:48 |
| dougwig | a vote is fine with me. | 20:49 |
| ptoohill | bad idea? | 20:49 |
| blogan | dougwig: it could, but tempest has the "seal of approval" for openstack, even with all its warts | 20:49 |
| ptoohill | Tell that to all the people doing the same sort of thing now because different people have different reqs | 20:49 |
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| dougwig | blogan: i said we "could". that's just sharing a fact. scroll up, and see that i'm pro-tempest. | 20:50 |
| TrevorV | ptoohill just remember when we had Cloud Cafe when it sprung up but we still had SOAP tests. It was a nightmare. I don't want something like that again. | 20:50 |
| blogan | not to mention people who write tests for openstack will know tempest, they may or may not know tempest, so there woudl be a learning curve for them | 20:50 |
| blogan | dougwig: i just like to counter everything you say | 20:50 |
| ptoohill | we migrated away from soap because they sucked | 20:50 |
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| dougwig | anything in the proximity of soap sucks. that mess infects everything near it. | 20:51 |
| ptoohill | blogan: *rally? | 20:51 |
| crc32 | tempestI thought it was because it was SOAP | 20:51 |
| johnsom | #link https://www.mirantis.com/blog/rally-openstack-tempest-testing-made-simpler | 20:51 |
| blogan | they mean soapui, which was worse than soap | 20:51 |
| crc32 | I'm all SOAPed out just from CLB 1.0 | 20:51 |
| blogan | ptoohill: yeah, correction | 20:51 |
| TrevorV | Either way, I don't like supporting both. One or the other. | 20:52 |
| ptoohill | that was the reason we went with opencafe stuffs. My point was that if we do something in tempest because we want to follow what other openstack projects are doing theres nothing stopping another company from writing rally tests and submitting those | 20:52 |
| crc32 | lets just vote. I'm wondering where every one stands. | 20:52 |
| xgerman | we can always defer after the summit and see how things look there | 20:52 |
| johnsom | I still think they are two different animals and not an either/or choice | 20:53 |
| ptoohill | rally seems to be more geared towards performance testing with the ability to do other things | 20:53 |
| xgerman | since we have nothing to test anyway | 20:53 |
| fnaval | rally for performance testing | 20:53 |
| blogan | xgerman: im fine with re-evaluating later when we actually start writing tests | 20:53 |
| ptoohill | with the ability to do other things | 20:53 |
| blogan | it is a bit premature | 20:53 |
| dougwig | we can keep deferring this until german gets his UI, but ... | 20:53 |
| ptoohill | lol | 20:54 |
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| johnsom | It does make nice pointy hair complaint pictures.... | 20:54 |
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| xgerman | ok, let's defer after the summit with a preference for tempest tests | 20:55 |
| dougwig | didn't that blog link show how to use rally to run tempest? so can't you use rally either way? | 20:55 |
| xgerman | probably | 20:55 |
| blogan | yeah, so if you want to use rally, just do that? | 20:55 |
| dougwig | i can't say as i feel strongly either way. | 20:55 |
| xgerman | ok, I guess this is settled somewhat | 20:56 |
| dougwig | anyone that wants to peek at a devstack fix, to make our job cleaner: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171402/ | 20:56 |
| dougwig | oh wait, we're not in open discussion. sorry. | 20:56 |
| xgerman | #topic Rally automatically installs and configures Tempest, and automates running Tempest tests. | 20:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rally automatically installs and configures Tempest, and automates running Tempest tests. (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:56 | |
| xgerman | sorry | 20:57 |
| xgerman | #topic: Open Discussion | 20:57 |
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| blogan | lol nice topic | 20:57 |
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| blogan | xgerman: back to rally vs tempest, sounds like rally would just be the test runner then | 20:57 |
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| blogan | okay on to my topic | 20:58 |
| xgerman | you have 2 minutes ;-) | 20:58 |
| blogan | just like we need a post_network_plug method in the amphora driver, we need a post_vip_plug method | 20:58 |
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| blogan | bc when you plug a vip, you may have to do some work on the amphora (such as bringing the interface up) | 20:59 |
| johnsom | Ok | 20:59 |
| blogan | but plug_vip is only called once, so post_vip_plug would only be called once | 20:59 |
| dougwig | worst case, post_vip is "pass". | 20:59 |
| blogan | yep | 20:59 |
| blogan | which is why it would not be tagged as an abstactmethod | 21:00 |
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| ptoohill | times up, game over | 21:00 |
| xgerman | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 8 21:00:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| blogan | i lose :( | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-04-08-20.00.html | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-04-08-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-04-08-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| xgerman | blogan we can continue our own channel | 21:01 |
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