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| sc68cal | hey all | 13:58 |
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| sc68cal | hmm my calendar is wrong | 13:59 |
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| sc68cal | hello all | 15:00 |
| * sc68cal checks the output from date -u | 15:00 | |
| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_ipv6 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 7 15:01:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ipv6' | 15:01 |
| sc68cal | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-IPv6-Subteam | 15:01 |
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| SridharG1 | hello everyone.. | 15:02 |
| aveiga | hello | 15:03 |
| HenryG | o/ | 15:03 |
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| haleyb | hi | 15:03 |
| dane_leblanc | o/ | 15:03 |
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| baoli | Hi | 15:04 |
| sc68cal | Since we're in the RC phase, things have been pretty quiet | 15:05 |
| sc68cal | I saw dane_leblanc had a patch for fixing an issue at the gate that was v6 related | 15:05 |
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| dane_leblanc | sc68cal: Yes, a prior v6 commit exposed some concurrency issues. | 15:06 |
| HenryG | It's not got much to do with v6 other than some new v6 code and tests exposed latent DB issues | 15:06 |
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| sc68cal | gotcha | 15:07 |
| sc68cal | Hopefully we can get some movement on the dependencies for the dual stack testing at the gate patch, I see one got merged | 15:08 |
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| sc68cal | I'll probably ping some folks on the tempest and devstack side to see if we can get those merged | 15:09 |
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| sc68cal | That's all I had to share, who's got things to discuss? | 15:10 |
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| aveiga | I have a wrench I could throw into the works | 15:11 |
| aveiga | https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-anderson-v6ops-siit-dc-00 | 15:11 |
| aveiga | this is a spec for siit in datacenters | 15:11 |
| aveiga | there's a software implementation underway to do this in the kernel | 15:11 |
| aveiga | would be interesting to have a v6-only subnet with floats implemented by siit at the hypervisor | 15:11 |
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| aveiga | sorry, that should read IPv4 floats* | 15:12 |
| sc68cal | interesting - I did have a slide in Paris about v4 at the edge of openstack, and v6 for everything internal | 15:13 |
| sc68cal | now I have more ammunition and smart people who've thought of it already :) | 15:13 |
| aveiga | http:://jool.mx implements it in the kernel | 15:13 |
| aveiga | http://www.litech.org/tayga/ in userspace | 15:13 |
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| sc68cal | very cool - i'll have to do some reading :) | 15:15 |
| sc68cal | hmmm, NAT64 | 15:16 |
| haleyb | someone from IBM was asking about this the other day | 15:16 |
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| baoli | this would be needed if someone deployed a v6 only network in a datacenter | 15:17 |
| aveiga | exactly | 15:18 |
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| baoli | I created a bp for it a while back, seems like that some work needs to be done for it: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/nat64 | 15:20 |
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| baoli | it doesn't have any meat in it yet | 15:20 |
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| sc68cal | Concern I have is that Neutron seems to be trending towards smaller footprint | 15:22 |
| aveiga | this might belong in advanced services | 15:23 |
| sc68cal | yes, that was my thinking | 15:23 |
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| aveiga | as weird as it sounds, this is something I'd define as "IPv4 as a Service" | 15:23 |
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| baoli | interesting name | 15:24 |
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| sc68cal | If nobody has an objection, let's go ahead and wrap up the meeting for this week | 15:29 |
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| sc68cal | alright everyone - take care. Until next week! | 15:30 |
| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 15:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 7 15:30:53 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2015/neutron_ipv6.2015-04-07-15.01.html | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2015/neutron_ipv6.2015-04-07-15.01.txt | 15:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2015/neutron_ipv6.2015-04-07-15.01.log.html | 15:30 |
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| sergmelikyan | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 7 17:00:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sergmelikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
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| sergmelikyan | Evening folks! o/ | 17:00 |
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| velovec | Hi^^ | 17:00 |
| sergmelikyan | btw, is 17:00 UTC considered as evening? :) | 17:00 |
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| StanLagun | hi | 17:01 |
| kzaitsev | all | 17:01 |
| kzaitsev | > is 17:00 UTC considered as evening? :) | 17:02 |
| kzaitsev | Time is haaaaarrrrd | 17:02 |
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| katyafervent | hey | 17:02 |
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| ativelkov | o/ | 17:03 |
| henar | hi | 17:03 |
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| sergmelikyan | We had no AIs from previous meeting :) | 17:03 |
| sergmelikyan | Let's move to reviewing new features for Liberty? | 17:04 |
| sergmelikyan | I saw few new BPs proposed by henar | 17:04 |
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| henar | if you want more information you can ask me. I am working on the spec for providing more information | 17:04 |
| sergmelikyan | Let's walk through them? | 17:04 |
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| sergmelikyan | henar, thank you! | 17:04 |
| sergmelikyan | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/diff-networks-in-env-template | 17:04 |
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| sergmelikyan | "possibility of having different networks in the different applications which compose an environment template. " | 17:05 |
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| henar | yes, there are two ideas: i) the possibility to create as many networks as required in the env template /environment | 17:05 |
| sergmelikyan | I see that we need ability to have different networks for applications at first to implement this blueprint | 17:05 |
| henar | and ii) an application (VM) deploys on different networks | 17:06 |
| sergmelikyan | henar, are both of them covered by this BP? | 17:06 |
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| henar | if they are not covered yet, it should be.. or it is better to split them? | 17:07 |
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| sergmelikyan | henar, I think they are should be in one BP | 17:07 |
| henar | ok | 17:07 |
| ativelkov | We've being discussing this for some time | 17:08 |
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| ativelkov | That's a really needed feature | 17:08 |
| henar | perfect | 17:08 |
| ativelkov | And it's proper implementation is quite complicated, as requires some major improvements in MuranoPL language and the way how we generate the object model | 17:09 |
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| ativelkov | But we definitely should start doing the first steps towards this direction | 17:09 |
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| sergmelikyan | I believe no one can object that it is needed feature :) => Approved | 17:10 |
| sergmelikyan | #2 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/abstract-env-template | 17:11 |
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| sergmelikyan | To be honest I didn't get idea of this BP after reading description :) | 17:12 |
| sergmelikyan | * :( | 17:12 |
| sergmelikyan | henar, can you elaborate a little bit? | 17:12 |
| henar | the environment template catalogue implied the defiition of enviornment templates for a user. This blueprint tries to create environment templates to be customized and used by any user | 17:12 |
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| sergmelikyan | You mean UI for environment templates? | 17:13 |
| henar | for instance, a environment template load balancer - web -server- database. Anyone can see this template in the environemnt template catalogue. In case the user wants to use, just cutomize it including the keypair | 17:13 |
| henar | and the environmetne template is deployed | 17:13 |
| henar | it no the GUI, is the catalogue for environment templates independent on user | 17:14 |
| henar | it is quite simple to implement | 17:14 |
| ativelkov | I don't quite get it.. what is the difference between this end a regular template? | 17:15 |
| henar | as well as we have an application catalogue... we can have an environment template catalogue | 17:15 |
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| henar | we can say, abstract template has not an owner, and regular templates do | 17:15 |
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| ativelkov | Hmm | 17:16 |
| ativelkov | Why don't we utilize the same sharing logic we have for Applications and Images? | 17:17 |
| sergmelikyan | Do I understand correctly that in current version since we don't have ability to see env templates created by other users, we need a way to have shared env templates available to be copied to the own catalog? | 17:17 |
| henar | and also it does not have user information (keypair..) | 17:17 |
| henar | the abstract template catalogue will be populated by the administrator, no by users | 17:18 |
| henar | so we are not sharing user templates, but creating typical templates by the administrator | 17:18 |
| ativelkov | Ok, I think I understand now | 17:19 |
| henar | in fiware, we have this feature for Genertic Enablers deployments | 17:19 |
| ativelkov | So, we have actually two open questions here: 1) template ownership, 2) template completeness, i.e. "generic" templates may be missing some data intended to be supplied by user when they are converted to actual environments. Right? | 17:20 |
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| henar | yes | 17:21 |
| ativelkov | good | 17:21 |
| ativelkov | So, we may utilize an artifact repository for this | 17:21 |
| ativelkov | If a template is an artifact, then it may be shared with other users directly or made public by administrator | 17:22 |
| ativelkov | But it will be still owned by the user who initially uploaded it | 17:22 |
| ativelkov | It will be just accessible to users other then owner | 17:22 |
| sergmelikyan | ativelkov, I think we can migrate to this alongside with whole migration to artifacts, but I think this is easier to implement at first on current way of handling things | 17:23 |
| ativelkov | Well, yes, if you add a "visibility_level" field to the current environment-template entity | 17:24 |
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| sergmelikyan | Let's discuss ideas at first, and then talk about implementation :) | 17:24 |
| ativelkov | I just believe that there is no actual difference between "regular" and "generic" templates | 17:25 |
| ativelkov | "generic" ones just don't have data for some of the fields | 17:25 |
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| henar | and they are accessible by everybody.. | 17:26 |
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| ativelkov | I believe that these are independent things: you may want to share with everybody even your non-generic template | 17:27 |
| henar | ok, I see your point.. | 17:28 |
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| henar | the user administrator can have environment templates too | 17:28 |
| henar | and then we can have like a field 'public' | 17:28 |
| ativelkov | yes | 17:28 |
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| ativelkov | And then we may make a "clone" operation | 17:28 |
| ativelkov | which creates a new template out of some existing template (probably a public one) by filling in some of its missing data | 17:29 |
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| henar | yes | 17:29 |
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| stan_lagun | this way we can have more than 2 levels of how generic template can be | 17:29 |
| sergmelikyan | Let's postpone discussion of this idea, I see that we need more time to refine it | 17:29 |
| ativelkov | And you may have as many clones as you want with the needed level of details | 17:29 |
| henar | so that, it involes just to complete the API (with the clone operation) and a new field public | 17:29 |
| stan_lagun | hierarchy of specialization | 17:30 |
| ativelkov | right | 17:30 |
| sergmelikyan | henar, you are still going to miss Summit this time? | 17:30 |
| ativelkov | sergmelikyan: agree. | 17:30 |
| henar | yes :-( | 17:30 |
| sergmelikyan | :( | 17:30 |
| ativelkov | henar: you may submit a spec and we may continue the discussion in the review | 17:30 |
| stan_lagun | :( | 17:30 |
| henar | sure | 17:30 |
| stan_lagun | I think etherpad is a right place for discussions like this | 17:31 |
| ativelkov | or we may create an etherpad if we need more decnical discussion | 17:31 |
| sergmelikyan | We can start with voice discussion, summarize in ML and then move to spec | 17:31 |
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| sergmelikyan | #action schedule discussion for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/abstract-env-template | 17:32 |
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| sergmelikyan | #info approval postponed until further discussion for blueprint/abstract-env-template | 17:32 |
| sergmelikyan | #3 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/diff-regions-in-env-template | 17:32 |
| sergmelikyan | Multi-region support, I believe we already have BP for that | 17:33 |
| henar | the idea behind is the inclusion of region information in the the environment template /environment and the deployment of different applications from the same environment in different regiones | 17:33 |
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| sergmelikyan | oh... this is specific for templates and we have https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/multiple-heat-stacks | 17:34 |
| sergmelikyan | as overall feature | 17:34 |
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| sergmelikyan | Yep, once we will have this feature we need support in env templates | 17:35 |
| henar | yes | 17:35 |
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| henar | but most of the work I think it is there | 17:35 |
| sergmelikyan | Direction: Approved :) | 17:36 |
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| sergmelikyan | henar, did we covered all proposed features? | 17:37 |
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| henar | yes, thanks | 17:37 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Python Lint in Murano Gates | 17:38 |
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| FilipBlaha | Hi, some openstack projects like sahara, manilla, cinder and others has this job | 17:39 |
| sergmelikyan | FilipBlaha, have you checked how they decide +1/-1 for this gate? | 17:39 |
| katyafervent | Is this job non-voiting for all of those projects? | 17:39 |
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| FilipBlaha | yes, they compare issue sets of current commit and the previos commit | 17:40 |
| FilipBlaha | if there is new issue then -1 | 17:40 |
| FilipBlaha | I think is non-voting but not sure if it is true for all projects | 17:41 |
| FilipBlaha | on the other hand nova project stop using it since they consider it no usefull | 17:42 |
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| sergmelikyan | If it's easy to enable we can start using and check how it's useful for us. Overall such tools are helpful, but it is very thin tunning | 17:43 |
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| FilipBlaha | yes , I agree I wolud start with similar configuration as other projects and tha we can tunr it | 17:44 |
| kzaitsev | I like the idea, but want it to be non-voting =) | 17:44 |
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| FilipBlaha | yes , I agree I would start with similar configuration as other projects and than we can tune it ... sorry for typos | 17:45 |
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| sergmelikyan | +1 | 17:46 |
| FilipBlaha | It should not be difficult to enable it | 17:47 |
| ativelkov | +1, let's try it | 17:47 |
| * ativelkov hates when some AI pretends to be smarter then him, but is going to try it one more time | 17:47 | |
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| stanLagun | +1 for non-voting just for experiment | 17:47 |
| freerunner | +1 for this idea ;) | 17:48 |
| sergmelikyan | #agreed enable pylint non-voting check job for Murano | 17:48 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Open Discussion | 17:48 |
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| stanLagun | henar: https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/1441276 | 17:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1441276 in murano "[murano-agent] FormatVersion was not incremented" [Critical,New] - Assigned to Henar Muñoz (henar-munozfrutos) | 17:48 |
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| henar | thanks, I have just seen it | 17:49 |
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| henar | I have some Chef/Puppet package examples, where should I upload it? It is just for testing .. | 17:50 |
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| sergmelikyan | henar, I think examples should be published to murano-apps | 17:51 |
| henar | √? | 17:51 |
| henar | https://github.com/murano-project/murano-app-incubator? | 17:52 |
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| henar | or https://github.com/stackforge/murano-apps | 17:52 |
| sergmelikyan | henar, if you are talking about usage examples, if you are talking about samples for tests - than it should go to same place where tests are going to be | 17:52 |
| sergmelikyan | henar, github.com/stackforge/murano-apps | 17:52 |
| henar | ok, thanks | 17:52 |
| henar | usage examples.. | 17:52 |
| sergmelikyan | henar, than murano-apps | 17:53 |
| sergmelikyan | We need to reformat our murano-apps repo | 17:53 |
| sergmelikyan | murano-apps was intended to be a place for examples and for ready to use apps | 17:54 |
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| sergmelikyan | What do you think folks? | 17:54 |
| stanLagun | sergmelikyan, agree, do you have a vision on new structure? | 17:55 |
| ativelkov | I think that we need some CI jobs for all the apps in the "incubated" murano apps projet | 17:55 |
| sergmelikyan | ativelkov, yeah - we already discussed that we are going to have CI based on rally | 17:56 |
| sergmelikyan | User will be able to submit application + rally scenario for testing of this application | 17:56 |
| ativelkov | sergmelikyan: Isn't rally an overkill? | 17:56 |
| ativelkov | it's the load testing thingy | 17:57 |
| sergmelikyan | ativelkov, not exactly | 17:57 |
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| sergmelikyan | ativelkov, nope don't have draft right now, will do by tomorrow | 17:58 |
| sergmelikyan | #action propose new structure for murano-apps | 17:59 |
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| sergmelikyan | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 7 17:59:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-04-07-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-04-07-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-04-07-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
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| vipul | #startmeeting Cue | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 7 18:02:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vipul. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cue' | 18:02 |
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| vipul | yay our first meeting1 | 18:02 |
| davideagnello | hello! | 18:02 |
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| vipul | let's wait a few minute for people to trickle in | 18:02 |
| esmute | Hello Cueans | 18:02 |
| esmute | How do you call people in the Cue community? | 18:03 |
| vipul | that's a great topic | 18:03 |
| ekarlso | cuebans | 18:03 |
| ekarlso | :P | 18:03 |
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| vipul | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Cue | 18:03 |
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| esmute | ekarlso: I'd to have what you are smoking | 18:04 |
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| vipul | #topic kick-off | 18:04 |
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| vipul | Ok so since this is our first meeting, i'll go over how these are typically run | 18:05 |
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| vipul | obviously we'll be in this channel every Tuesday at this time | 18:05 |
| sputnik13 | first meeting w00t | 18:05 |
| vipul | over the week, feel free to add to the agenda at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Cue | 18:05 |
| vipul | heya sputnik13 | 18:06 |
| sputnik13 | hi :) | 18:06 |
| vipul | remember agenda items can be anything | 18:06 |
| vipul | even things like links to reviews you want folks to look at | 18:06 |
| sputnik13 | ok | 18:07 |
| vipul | We'll talk about each item on the agenda, and if there are any actions that come out of it, we'll record them | 18:07 |
| sputnik13 | is dan here? | 18:07 |
| vipul | nope sputnik13 | 18:07 |
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| sputnik13 | I'll go poke him, brb | 18:08 |
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| vipul | At the following week's meeting, we'll review progress on the things that were actioned | 18:08 |
| vipul | makes sense? | 18:08 |
| davideagnello | yup | 18:08 |
| sputnik13 | sounds good | 18:09 |
| vipul | abitha: you're quiet ;0 | 18:09 |
| vipul | ;) | 18:09 |
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| abitha | ya :) | 18:10 |
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| vipul | #topic Integration Testing | 18:10 |
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| sputnik13 | vipul is busy.. davideagnello you want to start on integration testing? | 18:11 |
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| esmute | Hi danielallegood | 18:12 |
| danielallegood | Hi | 18:12 |
| sputnik13 | hey danielallegood | 18:12 |
| sputnik13 | :) | 18:12 |
| davideagnello | yes, so I have been assessing two frameworks for use in intergration and scenario testing in Cue | 18:12 |
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| vipul | sorry.. got pulled away in a side conversation | 18:12 |
| davideagnello | these are Tempest and Rally | 18:12 |
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| esmute | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Rally | 18:13 |
| davideagnello | both frameworks are intended for OpenStack integration/scenario tests and are being used by various openstack services. | 18:13 |
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| davideagnello | some services like Neutron, make use of both | 18:13 |
| vipul | any notable differences that you've noticed.. just off the cuff? | 18:14 |
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| davideagnello | the intent of these frameworks is to test a service from the public API (customer facing interfaces) to ensure the behavior is as expected, stress tests, benchmarking, etc.. | 18:14 |
| davideagnello | yes | 18:14 |
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| davideagnello | I am still evaluating Rally, but so far the differences I have noticed are | 18:15 |
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| davideagnello | rally provides automation to deploy your testing environment as part of the provisioning of tests on a openstack environment | 18:15 |
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| davideagnello | Rally makes it easier for benchmarking and writing tests that load your service by running the same test a specified number of times, captures run time results, | 18:16 |
| davideagnello | the framework allows for a more modular test architecture, thereby increasing code reuse | 18:17 |
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| davideagnello | this is evident with the concept of plugins | 18:17 |
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| vipul | We talked about this in another meeting, and you mentioned the principle for both was to run tests are black-box | 18:18 |
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| esmute | How easily (or complex) is to integrate rally with the openstack-ci? | 18:18 |
| vipul | how / where would we run non-black-box tests | 18:19 |
| vipul | lots of hyphens | 18:19 |
| davideagnello | yes, the principle of both frameworks are not to reach into the service but interface with it as the customer would | 18:19 |
| sputnik13 | I think blackbox can be one word :) | 18:19 |
| vipul | sputnik13: :P | 18:19 |
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| davideagnello | Tempest requires your tests hit the REST API directly, without any client code | 18:20 |
| sputnik13 | davideagnello: do we have example test cases for tempest and rally to see which is easier to work with? | 18:21 |
| davideagnello | both framework repos include test code for the various openstack services | 18:21 |
| vipul | esmute: A bunch of projects are already integrating rally-jobs as part of openstack-ci, so i think it shoudl be as simple as tempest | 18:22 |
| davideagnello | no for cue, I have been looking at existing tests for both rally and tempest. Rally seems easier to work with but it will become more evident when I write some example tests with the framework of choice | 18:22 |
| vipul | Ok thanks davideagnello looks like we still need to do some more prototyping before we go with one or the other | 18:23 |
| vipul | #action davideagnello to discuss cue's integration testing approach | 18:23 |
| sputnik13 | davideagnello: it might prove very instructive/revealing to try and write your own, some sort of simple test in both frameworks, to see how easy it is to find documentation for the features you need, etc | 18:24 |
| davideagnello | yup, I am prototyping these as my next task | 18:24 |
| vipul | +1 | 18:24 |
| vipul | sputnik13: How is progress on the end-to-end taskflow / conductor tests | 18:24 |
| davideagnello | yes, I was going to do it for the one we chose to based on evaluating existing tests in both but I can write sample tests for both | 18:25 |
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| sputnik13 | vipul: progress is slow, I'm thinking that a conductor test is needed and an external test (preferably with something like rally/tempest) needs to drive the end-to-end | 18:26 |
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| sputnik13 | we have tests that bypass the conductor to pull jobs from the jobboard and execute, but no tests to run the conductor | 18:26 |
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| vipul | are there issues running these as functional tests ? assuming you get zeik (however that is spelled) integrated? | 18:27 |
| davideagnello | sputnik13: we currently have a test or two which posts a task to the in memory zookepper (zule), can't a worker pull the job the execute it? | 18:27 |
| sputnik13 | vipul: zake :) | 18:27 |
| sputnik13 | we could do an end to end functional test but that looks more like an integration test to me given worker and api are normally separate processes | 18:28 |
| vipul | sputnik13: yea that's a good point.. | 18:29 |
| vipul | is there a way to invoke the conductor directly in a test? | 18:29 |
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| vipul | or is that already happening | 18:29 |
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| sputnik13 | well, thinking about it, the conductor needs to be started and run as a separate thread/process, its main execution code is a persistent infinite loop, not much other code to be exercised through unit/functional testing | 18:31 |
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| sputnik13 | hmm, persistent infinite... >_< | 18:32 |
| esmute | just to be clear, what is the main purpose to test the conductor? Is this something that we code in cue? | 18:32 |
| esmute | isnt posting a job and retrieving it enough? | 18:33 |
| vipul | #link https://github.com/stackforge/cue/blob/master/cue/taskflow/service.py | 18:33 |
| vipul | esmute: ^ | 18:33 |
| sputnik13 | esmute: the conductor itself isn't our code, it's provided by taskflow | 18:33 |
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| vipul | sputnik13, esmute : I suppose what we want to cover is the wrapper | 18:33 |
| sputnik13 | so, the proper test is perhaps to ensure we're spinning up conductor properly | 18:33 |
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| davideagnello | that makes sense | 18:34 |
| sputnik13 | and so spin up conductor using our taskflow service code, submit a simple job, and make sure it's consumed | 18:34 |
| vipul | sputnik13: Could we create a fixture that basically invokes start()? | 18:34 |
| sputnik13 | vipul: sure, although I think we could just as well create a service instance and start it | 18:35 |
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| sputnik13 | fixtures would be external dependencies like zookeeper or nova-api | 18:35 |
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| davideagnello | is this a real zookeeper vs zule? | 18:36 |
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| vipul | zake davideagnello ;) | 18:36 |
| sputnik13 | davideagnello: s/zule/zake | 18:36 |
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| sputnik13 | zuul is a different beast :) | 18:36 |
| esmute | +1. yeah. im assuming that the taskflow team already have tests for the conductor... So just testing that the conductor config, that starts and that it is able to handle job requests, should be sufficient | 18:36 |
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| davideagnello | sputnik13: vipul: zake! | 18:36 |
| sputnik13 | esmute agreed | 18:36 |
| sputnik13 | also, I realized, we have no unit tests for the functions provided in service.py | 18:37 |
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| sputnik13 | sorry, client.py | 18:37 |
| sputnik13 | like get_client_instance | 18:37 |
| sputnik13 | or create_persistence | 18:37 |
| sputnik13 | #link https://github.com/stackforge/cue/blob/master/cue/taskflow/client.py | 18:38 |
| vipul | Yea, that's another can of worms that needs to be tested | 18:38 |
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| vipul | it does a lot! | 18:38 |
| sputnik13 | so I guess my action just expanded in scope :) | 18:38 |
| davideagnello | @sputnik13 so we have a test that posts a job to the jobboard and verifies the count in jobboard after the post, is this the same? or do we want a worker/conductor to take the jobs and do something with it? | 18:38 |
| davideagnello | sputnik13: we are testing client.post | 18:39 |
| sputnik13 | davideagnello: there should be a separate unit level test for client.post, yes | 18:39 |
| davideagnello | sputnik13: ok | 18:40 |
| sputnik13 | and there should be a service.py test that ensures we spun up conductor properly by posting to jobboard and ensure that it was consumed | 18:40 |
| sputnik13 | actually, I think this is a perfect place for the listener functionality that taskflow provides | 18:40 |
| vipul | can you elaborate? | 18:41 |
| sputnik13 | since conductor is running as a separate process/thread we can't tell when the consume happens respective to when we post | 18:41 |
| sputnik13 | so in tests normally you're taking some action and verifying the consequence | 18:41 |
| sputnik13 | since the conductor is a separate thread/process from the one running our test we can't tell when the consume happens | 18:42 |
| sputnik13 | which would be the consequence we want to verify | 18:42 |
| vipul | I suppose you could check tthe thing you have a handle on, in this case, the client connection to zake and ensure the state of the job has changed | 18:43 |
| sputnik13 | listener/notifier is functionality provided by taskflow to have callbacks that run in between state changes | 18:43 |
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| vipul | but yes, the flow is running as a separate thing.. so you couldn't do much beyond that | 18:43 |
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| sputnik13 | right, I think we could leverage the listener/notifier feature, or at minimum do a busy loop for some number of seconds to make sure the consumption happens | 18:44 |
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| vipul | ok cool.. good stuff | 18:44 |
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| vipul | assuming we're done with this topic.. moving on? | 18:44 |
| esmute | Should we create BP to discuss this further? | 18:44 |
| sputnik13 | uhh, bp seems over the top :) | 18:45 |
| esmute | it seems there are a lot of things that we can do and tests... so it is hard (at least for me) to know what is a good testing solution vs another one | 18:45 |
| vipul | not sure this is deserving of a BP.. using the listener for other things beyond tests yes | 18:45 |
| sputnik13 | I think BPs are only for feature development, no? | 18:45 |
| esmute | ok.. maybe a wiki then.. Something that is not irc chat logs :) | 18:46 |
| sputnik13 | I agree capturing test approaches is a good thing | 18:46 |
| vipul | typically yes | 18:46 |
| sputnik13 | yes wiki would be good | 18:46 |
| sputnik13 | or even developer documentation would be good too | 18:46 |
| sputnik13 | under docs | 18:46 |
| vipul | #action sputnik13 to document the approach for testing end-to-end conductor as a functional test | 18:46 |
| vipul | ok moving on.. | 18:46 |
| vipul | #topic open discussion | 18:46 |
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| esmute | or we can also use the feature specs that other services use | 18:47 |
| vipul | esmute: so what folks tha work on cue called.. besides cuebans | 18:47 |
| esmute | Have this in rst files so that we can review/add comments via gerrit | 18:47 |
| vipul | umm.. that's a lot of process to take on.. | 18:48 |
| vipul | i dunno how i feel about that yet.. | 18:48 |
| esmute | ok.. we can starts with wiki then.. and add comments in the wiki | 18:48 |
| vipul | yea let's keep it simple.. we wnat to document this stuff publicly.. but move fast | 18:48 |
| vipul | anyone have stuff to bring up? | 18:49 |
| vipul | who's going to the summit? | 18:49 |
| davideagnello | -1 visa issues :( | 18:50 |
| esmute | i'll be there... if nothing changes | 18:50 |
| sputnik13 | I'll be there | 18:50 |
| esmute | ill be there the weekend before anyways.. for U2 concert | 18:50 |
| vipul | yep, me too.. (not the concert) | 18:50 |
| vipul | hopefully we meet some folks that are interested in this project there | 18:51 |
| esmute | vipul, do we have a design meeting at the summit? | 18:51 |
| esmute | or something similar. | 18:51 |
| vipul | nope.. no official slot.. we'll have to figure something out so people can find us | 18:51 |
| sputnik13 | vipul we should also be going to other projects, I'm probably going to stop in at the oslo meetings | 18:52 |
| sputnik13 | help spread the word :) | 18:52 |
| esmute | i wonder if we can crash at the marconi's design summit | 18:52 |
| esmute | :p | 18:52 |
| vipul | sputnik13: +1 | 18:52 |
| vipul | esmute: I'll talk to their PTL to see if they have any slots they don't plan to use | 18:52 |
| vipul | Oh.. | 18:53 |
| vipul | sputnik13: what's the status of our stickers | 18:53 |
| sputnik13 | zaqar is another message queue... should cue provision zaqar? | 18:53 |
| sputnik13 | :-D | 18:53 |
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| sputnik13 | vipul: need to check in with my friend about that, he went silent, I think he might be sick | 18:54 |
| davideagnello | sputnik13: hahaha | 18:54 |
| sputnik13 | last time I talked with him he was working from home | 18:54 |
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| vipul | ok.. we gotta sport those at the summit ;) | 18:54 |
| sputnik13 | I'll take an action to follow up | 18:54 |
| vipul | #action sputnik13 to give status on stickers for Cue | 18:54 |
| vipul | Good first meeting guys.. we used the whole hour :D | 18:55 |
| vipul | sputnik13: remember we're not a project unless we have t-shirts or stickers | 18:55 |
| sputnik13 | yay! my meeting quota is completely full now :) | 18:55 |
| sputnik13 | oh, you didn't mention t-shirts... | 18:55 |
| sputnik13 | should we do t-shirts? | 18:55 |
| sputnik13 | at least for the team? | 18:56 |
| davideagnello | yes! | 18:56 |
| vipul | i think a few maybe | 18:56 |
| esmute | yeah.. we can wear during the summit... it will help to spread the word around | 18:56 |
| vipul | not sure we can do enough for the summit | 18:56 |
| sputnik13 | well, just enough for the team members then, it should help with visibility like esmute says | 18:56 |
| esmute | It gotta be cool and something that we can wear outside... | 18:56 |
| esmute | No reference to starwars or something | 18:57 |
| vipul | +1 | 18:57 |
| sputnik13 | what, what's your beef with starwars | 18:57 |
| vipul | sputnik13: run t-shirt design choices by esmute ;) | 18:57 |
| sputnik13 | I think you just alienated half the world of geekdom | 18:57 |
| sputnik13 | :) | 18:57 |
| esmute | sputnik13: Nothing against starwars.. i just want a tshirt that i can wear not just when i sleep | 18:57 |
| sputnik13 | hahah | 18:57 |
| vipul | LOL | 18:57 |
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| sputnik13 | yes, a t-shirt my wife won't automatically ban would be good | 18:58 |
| sputnik13 | :) | 18:58 |
| sputnik13 | agreed | 18:58 |
| vipul | coolio.. see ya'll next week | 18:58 |
| vipul | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 7 18:58:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-04-07-18.02.html | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-04-07-18.02.txt | 18:58 |
| sputnik13 | lunch time | 18:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-04-07-18.02.log.html | 18:58 |
| davideagnello | until next week! | 18:58 |
| jdob | o/ | 19:00 |
| slagle | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 7 19:00:47 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slagle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:00 |
| slagle | hi everyone | 19:00 |
| jdob | o/ | 19:01 |
| dprince | hello | 19:01 |
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| slagle | let me remind folks in tripleo... | 19:01 |
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| tchaypo | Welcome to 5am! | 19:02 |
| slagle | howdy tchaypo | 19:02 |
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| slagle | let's get rolling | 19:02 |
| slagle | #topic agenda | 19:02 |
| slagle | * bugs | 19:03 |
| slagle | * reviews | 19:03 |
| slagle | * Projects needing releases | 19:03 |
| slagle | * CI | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:03 | |
| bnemec | o/ | 19:03 |
| slagle | * Specs | 19:03 |
| slagle | * Meeting time | 19:03 |
| slagle | * open discussion | 19:03 |
| bnemec | Aw, I broke the agenda | 19:03 |
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| slagle | i added a meeting time agenda item | 19:03 |
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| gfidente | spredzy ! ;) | 19:04 |
| slagle | #topic bugs | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:04 | |
| slagle | i know we have a few untriaged bugs | 19:04 |
| slagle | let's see if we can knock those out right now | 19:04 |
| * bnemec just squashed one | 19:04 | |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:04 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:04 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:04 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:04 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:04 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-cloud-config | 19:04 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-net-config | 19:04 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:05 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:05 |
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| slagle | i'll reassign https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1401617 to myself | 19:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1401617 in tripleo "Flavor based ramdisk/kernel ID is deprecated in Ironic since Juno" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Clint Byrum (clint-fewbar) | 19:07 |
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| slagle | looks like all the other crits are fix committed for tripleo | 19:08 |
| slagle | jdob: can you triage this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1439567 | 19:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1439567 in tripleo "[tuskar] wrong URL for tuskar in default installation of TripleO " [Undecided,New] | 19:09 |
| jdob | ya, I think I fixed that already | 19:09 |
| bnemec | I think I triaged all of the other untriaged bugs. | 19:10 |
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| slagle | indeed, i don't see any others. thanks! | 19:10 |
| gfidente | slagle, just wanted to point out there is this https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1441170 currently blocking puppet job in ci, fix should be on the way though | 19:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1441170 in tripleo "ironicclient "Not Acceptable" error" [Critical,Confirmed] | 19:10 |
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| slagle | there are a bunch of crits in tripleo that are Fix Committed that need to be gone through and possible moved to Fix Released | 19:11 |
| slagle | i can do that | 19:11 |
| slagle | #action slagle review tripleo critical Fix Committed bugs to see if any have been releaesd | 19:11 |
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| slagle | gfidente: k, thx. who should the assignee be? | 19:12 |
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| slagle | this is the one that's going to be fixed by updating to the later delorean trunk repo? | 19:12 |
| gfidente | yep | 19:12 |
| slagle | gfidente: can you link to that review in the bug? | 19:12 |
| gfidente | dprince has a change for it yes looking for it | 19:12 |
| slagle | and assign to whomever opened that reivew (dprince i believe) | 19:13 |
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| slagle | gfidente: ok, thanks! | 19:13 |
| slagle | any other bug business? | 19:13 |
| slagle | #topic reviews | 19:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:13 | |
| dprince | slagle: sure, assign to me | 19:14 |
| slagle | #info There's a dashboard linked from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO#Review_team - look for "TripleO Inbox Dashboard" | 19:14 |
| slagle | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 19:14 |
| slagle | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt | 19:14 |
| slagle | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt | 19:14 |
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| slagle | instead of lamenting about stats, are there any reviews that people would like to draw attention to? | 19:15 |
| dprince | slagle: the most pressing thing ATM is to unblock the puppet CI job | 19:16 |
| greghaynes | I have a dib bomb of a patch (sorry) | 19:16 |
| slagle | i see a lot of puppet/template reviews, and dib improvements that folks are working on | 19:16 |
| greghaynes | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167003/ | 19:16 |
| dprince | slagle: but tthose patches have +2's on them so once we see another passing CI run we should be a go | 19:16 |
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| greghaynes | Theres some other dib smaller ones that are less important, but I just wanted to point this one out since its not a small amount of effort to review | 19:16 |
| slagle | hmm, yea 8 new patchsets since i last reviewed it :) | 19:17 |
| slagle | i'll take another look myself | 19:17 |
| dprince | greghaynes: that is a bomb! almost 2k lines | 19:17 |
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| greghaynes | there are actual tests though! so hopefully it helps | 19:17 |
| greghaynes | yeaaa | 19:17 |
| greghaynes | a lot of that is test / fixtures though | 19:17 |
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| slagle | #info need to unblock Puppet CI job | 19:19 |
| dprince | greghaynes: at some point it might make sense to have simple-init be its own project and just have DIB install it? | 19:19 |
| slagle | #info need reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167003/ | 19:19 |
| greghaynes | Yep, it was actually, we undid that so we could make progress on it | 19:19 |
| greghaynes | agreed though | 19:19 |
| slagle | dprince: is anything needed to unblock the puppet ci job other than the delorean trunk repo update? | 19:20 |
| dprince | greghaynes: sure, we may as well increase the size of our .git directories in the meantime | 19:20 |
| dprince | slagle: no, just waiting to see if the latest recheck passes like the last one did | 19:20 |
| * dprince has hope | 19:20 | |
| slagle | dprince: this one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162666/ | 19:21 |
| dprince | slagle: a bit of a surprise that an ironicclient bug is what bit us here | 19:21 |
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| dprince | slagle: actually this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161277/ | 19:21 |
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| slagle | ah, k | 19:21 |
| dprince | slagle: although I would take either of them I'd rather upgrade to F21 at this point | 19:21 |
| greghaynes | dprince: hah, if its an issue id be fine with revisiting that before it merges | 19:21 |
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| slagle | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161277 needed to unblock Puppet CI job | 19:22 |
| dprince | greghaynes: not trying to nit pick you. Just wondering if DIB *is* the right place for all that code | 19:22 |
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| slagle | ok, any other review business? | 19:24 |
| greghaynes | Yea, Id lean towards no but lets chat about that with the others who have been working on it later | 19:24 |
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| dprince | greghaynes: sounds goo | 19:24 |
| dprince | greghaynes: d | 19:24 |
| slagle | #topic Projects needing releases | 19:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Projects needing releases (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:24 | |
| slagle | so, a note about releases...if you need one, ask someone to do one for you :) | 19:25 |
| slagle | i don't want to see folks blocked on waiting for a release | 19:25 |
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| slagle | since i feel we've been a bit lax about doing them weekly | 19:25 |
| jdob | is that a new approach instead of the semi-weekly ones we've been doing? | 19:25 |
| slagle | jdob: no | 19:25 |
| jdob | nm, you just kinda answered that | 19:25 |
| slagle | i just want folks to know that they can ask anytime | 19:26 |
| jdob | gotcha | 19:26 |
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| slagle | are there any volunteers to do them this week? | 19:26 |
| slagle | if not, i'll do it | 19:26 |
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| jdob | i'll do it | 19:26 |
| slagle | jdob: thanks! | 19:26 |
| slagle | #action jdob to do releases | 19:27 |
| jdob | np, will release all the things | 19:27 |
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| slagle | #topic CI | 19:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:27 | |
| slagle | any other CI topic besides unblocking the puppet job? | 19:27 |
| * slagle assumes not | 19:28 | |
| greghaynes | I need to make another dib job | 19:28 |
| slagle | i think it might make sense to replace the current ha job with a puppet based one once the ha is ready there | 19:29 |
| slagle | something to consider anyway | 19:29 |
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| greghaynes | for the image format func test I mae | 19:29 |
| bnemec | We should probably just nix the ha job until someone actually commits to making it work. | 19:29 |
| slagle | bnemec: yea, we could do that too | 19:30 |
| gfidente | bnemec, indeed I agree with slagle it'd better to switch it to puppet, when puppet implementation is ready | 19:30 |
| greghaynes | bnemec: ++ | 19:30 |
| greghaynes | its useless ATM :( | 19:30 |
| greghaynes | (even though thats my baby) | 19:30 |
| slagle | greghaynes: that doesnt need to run as part of tripleo ci though does it? | 19:30 |
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| greghaynes | slagle: no, just dib actually | 19:31 |
| dprince | ++ for switching the HA job to puppet | 19:31 |
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| dprince | One thing I would like to highly recommend is that we first optimize our image building for CI a bit | 19:31 |
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| slagle | what types of things do you have in mind? | 19:32 |
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| dprince | Like... either we build one image with everything (saves us time), or we build one very basic image with almost nothing and install packages at deployment time | 19:32 |
| dprince | Either would save us significant CI time... | 19:32 |
| bnemec | single image++ | 19:32 |
| dprince | I started working on this a bit but I'd like it to be in devtest_overcloud.sh so devs can use it as well | 19:33 |
| greghaynes | a thought - the distro-minimal elments weve made in dib have very good caching potential | 19:33 |
| dprince | greghaynes: ack | 19:33 |
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| slagle | so, fwiw, we're using a single image in the rdo/instack workflow and it's working quite well | 19:33 |
| dprince | sure, for me it is about speeding up the CI runtime | 19:35 |
| slagle | dprince: yea i think adding the option to devtest makes sense | 19:35 |
| gfidente | I think in CI the roles of the various nodes are not going to change a lot or frequently so single image wouldn't cause troubles | 19:35 |
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| jistr | +1 for single image as well, sounds reasonable to me | 19:36 |
| dprince | So an HA job isn't really hard from a tripleo-ci standpoint. It is just a bit of configuration work. | 19:36 |
| dprince | The real work here is re-structuring some things in devtest_overcloud.sh so we are less prescriptive about imaage builds | 19:36 |
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| * gfidente will jump on injecting failure in the HA job as soon as it works decently | 19:37 | |
| dprince | And also supporting swap in default_parameters for things like Ceph, etc. | 19:37 |
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| slagle | #idea add option to use single image to devtest_overcloud | 19:37 |
| dprince | gfidente: but that is the fun part! | 19:38 |
| slagle | #info plan is to replace current HA job with puppet based one | 19:38 |
| slagle | gfidente: keep in midn we can put an ha job up and make it non-voting at first | 19:38 |
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| slagle | any other CI topics? | 19:39 |
| slagle | #topic Specs | 19:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:39 | |
| slagle | moving on in 5... | 19:40 |
| slagle | #topic Meeting time | 19:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Meeting time (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:40 | |
| slagle | the main thing i wanted to cover is if the alternate meeting time is still useful to folks? | 19:40 |
| slagle | it's been skipped the last few times | 19:41 |
| gfidente | slagle, glad you raised this, the alternate time still works for me, but we skipped a few instances there I think | 19:41 |
| slagle | ok, well, this is probably something we need to raise on the list for increased visibility | 19:42 |
| slagle | but if no one is attending...we probably don't need to say we have one | 19:42 |
| bnemec | Yeah, by definition the people who need the alternate time aren't going to be here. :-) | 19:42 |
| slagle | or maybe we can find a better time | 19:42 |
| jdob | haha | 19:42 |
| jdob | touche bnemec | 19:42 |
| slagle | bnemec: well they aren't at the alternate time either :) | 19:42 |
| gfidente | my problem is, I skipped both | 19:43 |
| slagle | maybe they fled earth | 19:43 |
| slagle | #action slagle email list about alternate meeting time | 19:43 |
| gfidente | if we had a single timeframe, I might have tried to join that at least | 19:43 |
| slagle | well, let's see what feedback we get, then re-evaluate | 19:43 |
| slagle | #topic open discussion | 19:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:44 | |
| slagle | there is a liberty summit ideas etherpad | 19:44 |
| slagle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-liberty-proposed-sessions | 19:44 |
| jdob | crap, that's next month already | 19:44 |
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| slagle | let's get some ideas flowing on the etherpad | 19:46 |
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| gfidente | one question: shall we switch USE_MERGEPY to 0 by default? | 19:46 |
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| bnemec | +1 | 19:47 |
| slagle | gfidente: i'm in favor | 19:47 |
| bnemec | I believe the mergepy templates were already moved to a deprecated folder. | 19:47 |
| bnemec | So we should stop using them by default. | 19:47 |
| gfidente | yeah | 19:47 |
| slagle | sound logic :) | 19:47 |
| bnemec | Although we should keep a CI job running them until we can remove them completely. | 19:47 |
| jdob | +1 | 19:47 |
| dprince | I'm for switching, we'll have to do the migration carefully so as not to break CI on various projects though | 19:48 |
| tchaypo | RE the alternate time | 19:48 |
| tchaypo | fwiw I believe that was originally pushed by me because I was one of a few people who’d started in .au | 19:49 |
| tchaypo | as far as i know none of us are following tripleo now (much), and in any case it stopped being useful to .au when it moved to be more .eu friendly | 19:49 |
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| slagle | ok. well, hopefully folks will speak up on the list | 19:51 |
| slagle | so we can accomdate more people if they'd like to be involved in the meetings | 19:51 |
| slagle | if we need to pick a totally new time for the alternate meeting, we could do that | 19:52 |
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| gfidente | slagle, I remember we had a doodle with some votes which maybe is worth pointing at for people to update their vote or remove theirselves | 19:52 |
| slagle | gfidente: yea, i remember, i'll look it up | 19:53 |
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| slagle | anything else to discuss? | 19:53 |
| jistr | (maybe a new vote, because the people who are not interested in tripleo anymore might not see the message that they should remove themselves) | 19:53 |
| slagle | thx everyone! | 19:54 |
| slagle | #endmeeting | 19:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 7 19:54:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-04-07-19.00.html | 19:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-04-07-19.00.txt | 19:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-04-07-19.00.log.html | 19:54 |
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| jistr | o/ | 19:55 |
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| devkulkarni | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 7 21:00:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 21:00 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Roll Call | 21:00 |
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| devkulkarni | devdatta kulkarni | 21:00 |
| james_li_ | james li | 21:00 |
| muralia | murali allada | 21:00 |
| mkam | Melissa Kam | 21:00 |
| datsun180b | Ed Cranford | 21:00 |
| gpilz | Gilbert Pilz | 21:00 |
| devkulkarni | hey everyone | 21:01 |
| muralia | hey hey | 21:01 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum | 21:01 |
| devkulkarni | I don't have any agenda prepared for today | 21:01 |
| devkulkarni | we can go through the set of topics that we usually go through.. | 21:01 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Announcements | 21:02 |
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| devkulkarni | Any announcements anyone? | 21:02 |
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| devkulkarni | last week we were discussing about joining OpenStack | 21:04 |
| devkulkarni | Any thoughts on that.. I know that we said that we will come back to that next week when Adrian is back | 21:04 |
| muralia | I'm ok with it. Slum does have a place in the big tent model. | 21:05 |
| gpilz | I'm still processing that | 21:05 |
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| devkulkarni | I am in the same boat as gpilz.. haven't thought through yet.. agree with muralia as well | 21:05 |
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| devkulkarni | I would encourage everyone to take time to think about it this week | 21:06 |
| devkulkarni | this topic will be the main topic next week | 21:06 |
| devkulkarni | Actually, since we are in the announcement topic - there was one thing that I just remembered | 21:07 |
| devkulkarni | Adrian cut a release of python-solumclient last friday | 21:07 |
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| devkulkarni | At high-level it has following features: | 21:07 |
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| devkulkarni | 1) Better support for app creation input | 21:08 |
| devkulkarni | 2) App logs support | 21:08 |
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| devkulkarni | 3) Support for setting up two factor authentication for github repositories | 21:08 |
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| devkulkarni | Anything I am missing datsun180b? | 21:09 |
| muralia | how about languagepack commands? were they in the last release too? | 21:09 |
| datsun180b | i don't think 3 is accurate | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | muralia: yes — they were there earlier too.. but may be we never announced them formally.. so yes — lp commands | 21:09 |
| datsun180b | more that the github experience in our app-create flow can now use basic auth and even use 2fa | 21:10 |
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| devkulkarni | datsun180b: okay.. I think partially we are there | 21:10 |
| datsun180b | shortly (tests pending!) we'll also have oath tokens | 21:10 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: ah ! thanks for the clarification | 21:10 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: cool !! | 21:10 |
| devkulkarni | so definitely lot of new things.. | 21:10 |
| devkulkarni | also, if you have not yet checked out — the documentation on readthedocs has been updated as well | 21:11 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://solum.readthedocs.org/en/latest/getting_started/index.html | 21:11 |
| devkulkarni | the only unfortunate thing is our devstack setup is not yet able to deploy. It used to before, but we haven't kept up with the latest changes. I am working on it | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | any other announcements? if not, we can move to the next topic. | 21:12 |
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| devkulkarni | #topic Review action items | 21:13 |
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| devkulkarni | I think we had an action item for adrian from last meeting | 21:13 |
| devkulkarni | Since he is not around today, lets just carry that forward. | 21:14 |
| devkulkarni | #action adrian_otto to add Joining OpenStack as an agenda item for 2015-04-14 team meeting | 21:14 |
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| devkulkarni | Any other action item from earlier meetings that we want to discuss? | 21:15 |
| muralia | no, the main thing was the new CLI release. | 21:15 |
| devkulkarni | cool. | 21:15 |
| datsun180b | on that note, thanks adrian for jumping on that as soon as we asked you cut a new client | 21:16 |
| devkulkarni | +1 | 21:16 |
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| devkulkarni | okay.. we can move to the next topic I guess then | 21:17 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Blueprint/Task Review | 21:17 |
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| devkulkarni | Come to think of it, I feel we should stop calling this topic as "Blueprint/Task Review" | 21:18 |
| devkulkarni | We haven't been using BPs in a consistent manner.. | 21:18 |
| devkulkarni | we have been using launchpad bugs | 21:19 |
| datsun180b | we've been doing a lot of bug fixes as of late though | 21:19 |
| datsun180b | i'm winding up to throw a spec/bp down soon | 21:19 |
| devkulkarni | We need to cleanup the list of bps.. | 21:19 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/ | 21:19 |
| muralia | I can talk about what im working on. | 21:20 |
| devkulkarni | muralia: coo.. | 21:20 |
| devkulkarni | stage is yours | 21:20 |
| muralia | I'm currently working on a patch to support Keystone version 2. | 21:20 |
| muralia | keystone v2 make solum defcore compliant and a lot of vendors might be looking for that | 21:20 |
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| muralia | gpilz: im touching some of your camp code too. please take a look once i submit the patch | 21:21 |
| gpilz | okay | 21:21 |
| muralia | I'm introducting a new config value in the keystone section | 21:21 |
| muralia | i'll be called version and i'll initialize the right version of the client using that value | 21:22 |
| muralia | right now in our code we have direct references to keystone v3 client all over the place. | 21:22 |
| muralia | i'll be changing that | 21:22 |
| muralia | thats it | 21:23 |
| james_li_ | muralia: +1 thats consistent with other openstack projects, glance at least | 21:23 |
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| muralia | cool | 21:23 |
| devkulkarni | that will be helpful muralia | 21:23 |
| devkulkarni | any other updates from others on what they are working on? | 21:24 |
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| datsun180b | nothing i haven't already mentioned | 21:25 |
| devkulkarni | okay. | 21:25 |
| james_li_ | datsun180b: your bp is about the app resource? | 21:25 |
| devkulkarni | from my side, I have been busy with fixing CLI bugs and getting deployer logs | 21:25 |
| datsun180b | james_li_: right, at least it will be | 21:25 |
| james_li_ | maybe not too much details at the beginning | 21:25 |
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| james_li_ | I want to see what is in your mind about the high level, i.e. what needs to be done | 21:26 |
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| datsun180b | of course | 21:26 |
| james_li_ | and changed in our api model | 21:27 |
| james_li_ | cool | 21:27 |
| datsun180b | first i'm going to work out all the app commands we have, the 'verbs' and their responses | 21:27 |
| james_li_ | yeah | 21:27 |
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| datsun180b | then use that to figure out what we need to store and what shape it should be--history and buildids and such will work in there | 21:27 |
| datsun180b | and square that with the resources we have at present | 21:28 |
| datsun180b | that last step will likely be the hardest | 21:28 |
| james_li_ | sounds like a plan :) | 21:28 |
| datsun180b | no we're doing away with those | 21:28 |
| datsun180b | :D | 21:28 |
| james_li_ | :) | 21:29 |
| devkulkarni | :D | 21:29 |
| datsun180b | puns! | 21:29 |
| devkulkarni | james_li_: any updates on what you have been upto lately? | 21:29 |
| gpilz | via la plan! | 21:29 |
| james_li_ | some bug fixing | 21:29 |
| james_li_ | thats fine | 21:29 |
| devkulkarni | james_li_: cool | 21:30 |
| devkulkarni | Its good that we have been at least consistent with creating bugs and referencing them in the commit messages | 21:31 |
| devkulkarni | that way we have tracking of those in launchpad and in our commit history | 21:31 |
| devkulkarni | gpilz: any updates from your side? | 21:32 |
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| gpilz | nope | 21:32 |
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| devkulkarni | cool. | 21:33 |
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| devkulkarni | so I guess we can move to open discussion then.. | 21:33 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Open Discussion | 21:33 |
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| devkulkarni | looks like there are not topics today | 21:39 |
| devkulkarni | should we end the meeting? | 21:39 |
| datsun180b | i say so | 21:39 |
| muralia | yes | 21:39 |
| devkulkarni | james_li_, gpilz, mkam? | 21:39 |
| james_li_ | yeah | 21:39 |
| mkam | I'm good with ending :) | 21:39 |
| datsun180b | see you all in #solum | 21:40 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 21:40 |
| devkulkarni | #endmeeting | 21:40 |
| james_li_ | later | 21:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 7 21:40:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-04-07-21.00.html | 21:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-04-07-21.00.txt | 21:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-04-07-21.00.log.html | 21:40 |
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| dims_ | #startmeeting containers | 22:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 7 22:33:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dims_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:33 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 22:33 |
| dims_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2015-04-07_2200_UTC | 22:34 |
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| dims_ | #topic Roll Call | 22:34 |
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| sdake | o/ | 22:34 |
| Tango|2 | o/ | 22:34 |
| dims_ | so who's here? :) | 22:34 |
| rpothier | o/ | 22:34 |
| juggler | o/ | 22:34 |
| madhuri_ | o/ | 22:34 |
| yuanying-alt | o/ | 22:34 |
| dims_ | o/ | 22:34 |
| dims_ | giving it a few seconds | 22:35 |
| hongbin | o/ | 22:35 |
| apmelton | o/ | 22:35 |
| dims_ | #topic Announcements | 22:35 |
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| dims_ | Anyone have any announcements? Since i am running this adhoc :) | 22:35 |
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| sdake | no announcements | 22:36 |
| dims_ | cool moving on | 22:36 |
| dims_ | #topic Review Action Items | 22:36 |
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| dims_ | no action items from last week | 22:36 |
| dims_ | #topic Blueprint/Task Review | 22:36 |
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| dims_ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/python-k8sclient | 22:37 |
| madhuri_ | About the python-k8s client code | 22:37 |
| dims_ | madhuri_: want to drive this? | 22:37 |
| madhuri_ | yep | 22:37 |
| dims_ | go for it | 22:37 |
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| madhuri_ | Discussion was going about where this code should live? | 22:37 |
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| madhuri_ | I have talked o google guys about some of the issues | 22:38 |
| dims_ | k | 22:38 |
| madhuri_ | And they then asked to commit the code in their repo | 22:38 |
| madhuri_ | So what would be better place for the code? | 22:38 |
| madhuri_ | A new stackforge project or in google k8s repo? | 22:38 |
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| madhuri_ | sdake suggested new stackforge project. | 22:39 |
| dims_ | will you or anyone you know have write access to their repo? or do we end up filing bugs and PR? | 22:39 |
| hongbin | I think google k8s repo is better | 22:39 |
| sdake_ | i am not convinced google will actually maintain the repo | 22:39 |
| madhuri_ | I am not sure about it. | 22:39 |
| sdake_ | they want it as an example not as an upstream | 22:39 |
| hongbin | k | 22:39 |
| dims_ | madhuri_: any fixes in their code generator itself? | 22:40 |
| juggler | i'm guessing it would benefit the community as an upstream, right? | 22:40 |
| madhuri_ | They have no python client code running | 22:40 |
| madhuri_ | Yes, I have filed issues for them | 22:40 |
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| madhuri_ | That's why they want it running in their repo. | 22:41 |
| dims_ | madhuri_: will they publish to pypi as well? | 22:41 |
| sdake_ | we dont want to pull the kubernetes repo to pull a language binding | 22:41 |
| sdake_ | that doesn't make any sense | 22:41 |
| sdake_ | it needs to be a separate repo | 22:41 |
| madhuri_ | No, I don't think so. | 22:42 |
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| sdake_ | madhuri_ were they talking about a separate repo in the google namesapce or something o ngithub? | 22:42 |
| juggler | does the google k8 repo have something gerrit-like? | 22:42 |
| sdake_ | they have post-commit checks | 22:42 |
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| madhuri_ | No, in k8s repo itself | 22:42 |
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| dims_ | so, they may not maintain it, they may not publish to pypi. which makes the decision easy. we should do it in stackforge | 22:42 |
| sdake_ | in k8s repo itself is unacceptable | 22:42 |
| dims_ | my 2 cents | 22:42 |
| dims_ | +1 sdake_ | 22:43 |
| madhuri_ | in contrib directory | 22:43 |
| juggler | based on the previous discussion, +1 stackforge | 22:43 |
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| sdake_ | still unacceptable imo | 22:43 |
| dims_ | so let's vote then? who is in favor of stackforge? | 22:43 |
| sdake_ | ;) | 22:43 |
| madhuri_ | Ok. So will create a new stackforge project for it. | 22:43 |
| madhuri_ | Thanks, | 22:43 |
| madhuri_ | The second point is the TLS support. | 22:44 |
| madhuri_ | They swagger generated code doesn't have it. | 22:44 |
| madhuri_ | So I think we need to plan our own. | 22:44 |
| sdake_ | swagger is a bunch of fail | 22:44 |
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| madhuri_ | I agree sdake_ | 22:45 |
| hongbin | One way is to customize the generator to support TLS | 22:45 |
| dims_ | is it easy to layer over the generated code? | 22:45 |
| madhuri_ | No, swagger code is a big mess. So I think apparently not. | 22:46 |
| dims_ | hongbin: then we have to maintain the generator patch | 22:46 |
| hongbin | dim_: true | 22:46 |
| madhuri_ | I think it is good to customize the generator | 22:46 |
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| sdake_ | here is a proposal | 22:47 |
| dims_ | madhuri_: either that or monkey patch their generated code if layering over their code is not simple | 22:47 |
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| sdake_ | we got swagger code that works | 22:47 |
| sdake_ | we hack it until it doesn't look like garbage anymore | 22:47 |
| sdake_ | and has test cases | 22:47 |
| sdake_ | and if new apis come out we re-swagger and add the new objects | 22:47 |
| madhuri_ | So we should customize it? | 22:48 |
| madhuri_ | Right? | 22:48 |
| sdake_ | that would be my proposal | 22:48 |
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| sdake_ | it should be easy to tell if a new object comes out of the api | 22:49 |
| madhuri_ | Ok, sure. I will work on it. | 22:49 |
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| dims_ | sdake_: we can try that, and revisit if it becomes headache | 22:49 |
| dims_ | my fear is they may fix bugs in existing objects and we'll have to revisit the garbage | 22:49 |
| madhuri_ | I will look into it and will let you know how it takes to be. | 22:50 |
| sdake_ | I think the soution is to let madhuri_ propoose the path forward | 22:50 |
| sdake_ | because she has got us this far, which is further then anyone else of the 3 or 4 cats that have tried this project :) | 22:50 |
| juggler | +1 | 22:50 |
| dims_ | +1 sdake_ | 22:50 |
| madhuri_ | I will try | 22:51 |
| dims_ | go madhuri_! | 22:51 |
| madhuri_ | Ok and then the third point. | 22:51 |
| madhuri_ | v1beta1 and v1beta2 is deprecated | 22:51 |
| madhuri_ | So we should move to v1beta3 | 22:51 |
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| madhuri_ | I will regenerate the code for it and test it. | 22:52 |
| sdake_ | agree | 22:52 |
| dims_ | +1 | 22:52 |
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| juggler | thx madhuri! | 22:52 |
| dims_ | ++ | 22:52 |
| dims_ | #topic Open Discussion | 22:52 |
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| dims_ | floor is open | 22:52 |
| madhuri_ | Ok then I have got my points clarified so will work on this, | 22:52 |
| sdake_ | tango any luck | 22:52 |
| madhuri_ | Thanks | 22:52 |
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| juggler | there's a potential bug in devstack, for those building it. please note: https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+bug/1440982 | 22:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1440982 in Magnum "devstack fail with noattribute error" [Undecided,New] | 22:53 |
| sdake_ | on the load balancer thingy | 22:53 |
| Tango|2 | sdake_: Been reading a lot of docs and heat templates. I got a decent idea now | 22:53 |
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| sdake_ | nice | 22:53 |
| juggler | should we bother mentioning it in our quickstart or hope that infra fixes it? | 22:53 |
| Tango|2 | I will ping you to clarify a few things | 22:53 |
| sdake_ | I can give a quick update on kobject | 22:53 |
| dims_ | +1 sdake_ | 22:54 |
| sdake_ | juggler i suspect we hope people will be usinga working devstack | 22:54 |
| sdake_ | i've studied the curent object code about 20 hours | 22:54 |
| sdake_ | and think it will be pretty easy to merge the pod/rc/service objects into one object | 22:54 |
| sdake_ | a kobject (kubernetes object) | 22:54 |
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| sdake_ | kubernetes has other types of objects as wel) | 22:54 |
| sdake_ | but they all take a file manifest | 22:55 |
| sdake_ | (or dont) | 22:55 |
| sdake_ | their rest api doesn't actually take arguments | 22:55 |
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| dims_ | sdake_: using oslo.versionedobjects? | 22:55 |
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| sdake_ | i am not going to port to oslo.versioned objects yet | 22:56 |
| dims_ | k | 22:56 |
| sdake_ | I am not sure if I have time in the cycle | 22:56 |
| sdake_ | but the current coe is versionedobjects | 22:56 |
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| sdake_ | just not the oslo version | 22:56 |
| * dims_ nods | 22:56 | |
| sdake_ | if I have time I will port us as well | 22:56 |
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| sdake_ | I woudl be odne but fell and in alot of pain | 22:56 |
| sdake_ | kids shit on the floor | 22:56 |
| juggler | ouch | 22:56 |
| sdake_ | bad for business | 22:57 |
| dims_ | hope you feel better soon sdake_! | 22:57 |
| sdake_ | tx | 22:57 |
| juggler | feel better S | 22:57 |
| dims_ | +1 for kobject as laid out sdake_ | 22:57 |
| juggler | +1 here too | 22:57 |
| sdake_ | we are out of time but goog doesn't wnt us to wrap their rest api | 22:58 |
| sdake_ | we can discuss tht in channel if you ike ;) | 22:58 |
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| dims_ | +1 sdake_ | 22:58 |
| dims_ | rest of open discussion please move over :) | 22:58 |
| sdake_ | dont forgt #endmeeting | 22:58 |
| dims_ | thanks everyone | 22:58 |
| dims_ | #endmeeting | 22:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 7 22:58:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-04-07-22.33.html | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-04-07-22.33.txt | 22:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-04-07-22.33.log.html | 22:59 |
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