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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 9 15:00:16 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| lpabon | hi | 15:00 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 15:00 |
| geguileo | Hi | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
| ganso_ | hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:00 |
| csaba | hi | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | #topic Kilo-RC1 status (bugs) | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo-RC1 status (bugs) (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
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| bswartz | so first of all, I'm happy that we've found and closed so many bugs since K-3 | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | #link https://launchpad.net/manila/+milestone/kilo-rc1 | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | however I think it's past time for a RC1, and we've got a few left to close | 15:02 |
| markstur_ | hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | so I'm going to cover them now | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | I'm looking retarget bugs out of Kilo soon | 15:03 |
| bswartz | so please be responsive to reviewer feedback if you're a submitter, and if you're a reviewer, please focus on the 5 remaining bugs | 15:03 |
| bswartz | Failed to allow-access for native_glusterfs | 15:03 |
| bswartz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1417352 | 15:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1417352 in Manila "Failed to allow-access for native_glusterfs" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Csaba Henk (chenk) | 15:03 |
| bswartz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171302/ | 15:03 |
| bswartz | this one had some serious issues discovered on code review | 15:04 |
| bswartz | at least one problem still remains | 15:04 |
| csaba | bswartz: yes I see my bad left in there by mistake | 15:04 |
| csaba | (probably forgot to save the edited file) | 15:04 |
| csaba | I'll correct in a minute | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | unit tests should have caught the issues before it got to code review -- so a reminder to everyone: cover your exception code paths with unit tests! | 15:05 |
| bswartz | and of course, run the unit tests before pushing upstream | 15:05 |
| bswartz | it only takes like 2 minutes | 15:05 |
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| csaba | bswartz: don't want to nitpick but this one would not be caught by a test :) | 15:06 |
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| vponomaryov | arguably | 15:06 |
| mkoderer | csaba: what kind of test do we need to discover it? | 15:07 |
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| mkoderer | 3rd party vendor tests? | 15:07 |
| csaba | "%(message)" % {"message":"foo"} is syntactically OK... hacking could detect probably | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | csaba: simple substitution verification is enough | 15:07 |
| bswartz | the tests need to exercise the exception code path and validate that the correct exception is thrown | 15:07 |
| bswartz | it's true that this bug would only result in a bad message getting logged, which typically isn't validated by unit tests | 15:08 |
| xyang1 | I think you'll have to write test to check the output of every message to detect this one | 15:08 |
| csaba | vponomaryov: why is it not done? | 15:08 |
| bswartz | I like the idea of a hacking check | 15:08 |
| xyang1 | I don't think that is covered by anyone | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | csaba: ? why is it not done by your tests? | 15:09 |
| mkoderer | adding a hacking rule sound good | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | anyways, I think that bugfix will be okay -- it's just a case study for why unit tests are valuable | 15:09 |
| bswartz | can I go to the next one? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | share server can not be deleted if hung in transitional state | 15:09 |
| csaba | vponomaryov: AFAIK we don't test message text, it's a job for hacking IMHO, which would work regardless of unit test coverage | 15:09 |
| bswartz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1434563 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1434563 in Manila "share server can not be deleted if hung in transitional state" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Igor Malinovskiy (imalinovskiy) | 15:09 |
| bswartz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170528/ | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | valeriy have you read u_glide's responses? | 15:10 |
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| xyang1 | I agree that this should be a hacking check, no one has unit test for every message | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | this one seems almost ready | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: not yet | 15:10 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:10 |
| bswartz | I think it's just waiting on you | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | no need to discuss here | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | ok | 15:11 |
| u_glide1 | ok | 15:11 |
| bswartz | NetApp cDOT driver is too strict in delete workflows | 15:11 |
| bswartz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1438893 | 15:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1438893 in Manila "NetApp cDOT driver is too strict in delete workflows" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Clinton Knight (clintonk) | 15:11 |
| bswartz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171789/ | 15:11 |
| bswartz | this one was recently pushed up | 15:11 |
| bswartz | reviewers please take a look at it | 15:11 |
| cknight | I have a couple questions from Valeriy that I just started looking at. Further reviews are welcome. More details are in the Launchpad bug. | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | Response 404 NotFound for listing share types request | 15:12 |
| bswartz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1441602 | 15:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1441602 in Manila "Response 404 NotFound for listing share types request" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Valeriy Ponomaryov (vponomaryov) | 15:12 |
| bswartz | so I'd like to talk about this one | 15:12 |
| bswartz | there is an issue which cases tempest to fail transiently | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | I reproduced it on lab and found out that it not only returns bad response but also hurts DB records | 15:13 |
| bswartz | we've needed to do too many rechecks in the last week or 2 | 15:13 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov is investigating and trying to fix | 15:13 |
| bswartz | if anyone wants to help, that would be very welcome | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | so, even if we do not fit Kilo with it, it will be backport fix definitely | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | because it leads to data loss | 15:14 |
| cknight | vponomaryov: we should hold RC1 for a DB corruption issue | 15:14 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov recently pushed 4 identical patchsets to try and test a fix with a large number of job runs -- in case anyone wondered about those | 15:14 |
| bswartz | yes I think this is an RC blocker, so I'd like to ask everyone who can to help out | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | DB affected with deletion of all private share types | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: do you know for sure which commit introduced the issue? | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | when concurrent requests for type-list and list of some type access projects are performed in parallel | 15:15 |
| tbarron | xyang1: +1 -- indeed, in Cinder we've had pushback on reviews where we did asserts matching message content (on the grounds the test becomes too fragile) | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: appearance of share type access functionality | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I believe Cinder has this bug too | 15:16 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is not tested there at all | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: by tempest, as we had for some time | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: before addon of tests | 15:16 |
| bswartz | okay so it's not a problem caused by the new tests -- the problem already existed and the new tests just revealed it? | 15:16 |
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| vponomaryov | yes | 15:17 |
| xyang1 | tbarron: I got questions on one patch because I added a unit test for a message:). But usually I try to unit test message for exceptions | 15:17 |
| bswartz | If we're sure of that then we have to hold up the RC | 15:17 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: would be great to have it till monday | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | "hold up" | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | for a data corruption bug we'll hold the RC as long as we need to | 15:18 |
| bswartz | the risk is that the later the RC is cut, the less testing we can expect before the actual release | 15:18 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: how long can we hold it up? | 15:18 |
| bswartz | because there are always some who don't start testing until there is an RC | 15:18 |
| bswartz | xyang1: technically, April 30 | 15:19 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: ok, GA date | 15:19 |
| bswartz | however that would be terrible | 15:19 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz, right, we want to cut it early so that people will do more testing | 15:20 |
| bswartz | from my perspective the sooner we get RC1 the better | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | okay we don't need to hash this one out any more | 15:20 |
| bswartz | #topic XML API removal | 15:20 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: here is DB error that leads to data loss - #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/201360/ | 15:21 |
| toabctl | vponomaryov: would be nice to collect theses infos in the bug report | 15:21 |
| bswartz | yeah, let's compile as much as we can in the LP bug, so if others want to help they can come up to speed on what's been discovered so far | 15:22 |
| bswartz | Remove Limited XML API Support from Manila | 15:22 |
| bswartz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1440782 | 15:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1440782 in Manila "Remove Limited XML API Support from Manila" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Igor Malinovskiy (imalinovskiy) | 15:22 |
| bswartz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170904/ | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | so many of you know that XML hasn't worked in the REST API for a very long time | 15:22 |
| bswartz | we've wanted to remove it, but we never got around to it until recently | 15:23 |
| bswartz | I think u_glide's patch is pretty low risk, and it's better to get it in Kilo rather than Liberty | 15:23 |
| bswartz | but I wanted to ask the rest of you if you have any concerns about a change like this | 15:23 |
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| vponomaryov | +1 for removal in Kilo | 15:24 |
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| toabctl | +1 from my side as well | 15:24 |
| bswartz | u_glide: are you addressing the few reamining issue with this to make it mergeable? | 15:24 |
| cknight | bswartz: I'm OK with it. It's a sizable change, but given our test coverage, I think the risk is low. | 15:24 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: I've added my comments in the patch that this seems to be a very big change at this stage, but if most people are okay, I'm fine | 15:25 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:25 |
| mkoderer | There wasn't any tempest tests for xml?... +1 for removal | 15:25 |
| lpabon | i think since rc1 has not been released yet, it would be ok. | 15:25 |
| u_glide1 | bswartz: yes, I will upload new patch in next 15 minutes | 15:25 |
| bswartz | okay this seems clear then | 15:25 |
| vponomaryov | mkoderer: they were, long-long time ago | 15:25 |
| bswartz | we'll keep it in | 15:25 |
| vponomaryov | mkoderer: in far-far galaxy =) | 15:25 |
| mkoderer | vponomaryov: :) | 15:25 |
| xyang1 | u_glide1 will fix any bugs if this patch resulted in any:) | 15:26 |
| bswartz | but keep reviewing to make sure it's good before merging | 15:26 |
| bswartz | +1 | 15:26 |
| bswartz | lol | 15:26 |
| bswartz | okay that's it for Kilo-related stuff | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | I think we'll be okay with everything except for https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1441602 | 15:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1441602 in Manila "Response 404 NotFound for listing share types request" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Valeriy Ponomaryov (vponomaryov) | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | so vponomaryov please share information as you learn it and don't hesitate to ask for help if you need it | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | on to liberty stuff | 15:28 |
| bswartz | #topic Specs repo | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | so many other openstack projects have been experimenting with specs repos for the last 2 releases | 15:29 |
| bswartz | I think that people generally like them, but they are not without problems | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | It's because of the problems that I've held off on introducing them for Manila | 15:29 |
| bswartz | but more people have been asking so I'd like to open up the discussion | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | the main value of specs repos is that they create a formalized way to give feedback on design proposals, and they create a template to follow that forces people to consider things they might otherwise ignore when proposing a new feature | 15:30 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: I personally like to have more details for a feature | 15:30 |
| mkoderer | so the manila bp that I saw wasn't giving me all the information I would need | 15:31 |
| mkoderer | have specs reviews would solve that | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | also they create a formal record of what designs were approved, and a process for those approvals | 15:31 |
| markstur_ | it would be good to have it for when we need it for big features but most patches wouldn't use it | 15:31 |
| bswartz | I have 2 concerns | 15:31 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: I think it is good for Manila to use the same process that other projects are using | 15:32 |
| csaba | bswartz: would this supersede lp bps or would these be used together? | 15:32 |
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| mkoderer | csaba: lp bps and specs are usually used together | 15:32 |
| mkoderer | but it's not a must | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | the first is that a spec only allows you to discuss a feature at the hypothetical level -- it's common for unexpected issues to come up during implementation that may require changes to the design | 15:32 |
| xyang1 | csaba: you have a have a bp for a new feature, but spec is not required for every bp item | 15:33 |
| bswartz | and also some people have a hard time reading a spec and understanding what it means -- whereas a code submission is unambiguous -- you can download and run it | 15:33 |
| xyang1 | csaba: so you can't have a spec without a bp | 15:33 |
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| csaba | mkoderer, xyang1: thanks | 15:33 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: reading a spec is much easier for ops people for instance | 15:34 |
| cknight | mkoderer: +1 | 15:34 |
| bswartz | the other issue with specs is that they get out of date quickly -- it's common for other teams to approve specs, and then implement something different from the spec, and to never go back and fix the spec to match the implementation | 15:34 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: so yes.. code is easier to read for developers.. but if you want to get feedback from "customers" specs are really helpful | 15:34 |
| markstur_ | other concern is that often design specs are not read and the design gets clobbered later anyway | 15:34 |
| markstur_ | So it is a tool to get agreement on design, but a faulty one. | 15:34 |
| markstur_ | Still worthwhile for big feature collab | 15:35 |
| bswartz | so IF we do decide as a team to start using a spec repo, we will need to create a policy on when/if approved specs should be updated to match the implementation | 15:35 |
| toabctl | mkoderer: that's true if the specs are up-to-date. if the information is wrong, it's sometimes even worse than no information. | 15:35 |
| mkoderer | toabctl: yeah.. I agree.. outdated specs are an issue.. | 15:36 |
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| xyang1 | Yes, spec should be updated after the code is merged | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | there is a related problem for people trying to use a specs repo as a source-of-truth which is that specs are a bunch of standalone documents, which can be hard to read and understand as a whole | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | toabctl: +1 | 15:37 |
| bswartz | I would argue that a well written architecture guide would be more valuable to and end user than a bunch of specs | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | or a deployer | 15:37 |
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| toabctl | bswartz: +1 | 15:37 |
| u_glide1 | bswartz: +1 | 15:37 |
| markstur_ | specs are better used to agree on a design for future work than as doc for existing work | 15:37 |
| bswartz | so we have to understand what problem we're trying to solve by introducing specs | 15:38 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: but the guide will be written after implementation? | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | mkoderer: unfortunately that's the only choice | 15:38 |
| lpabon | chicken egg problem | 15:38 |
| bswartz | it would be weird to edit the architecture document before there is working code | 15:38 |
| toabctl | ideally there's a spec to discuss, then an implementation and then (or in parallel) documentation which should make the spec for OPS obsolete | 15:39 |
| lpabon | it depends how much content is necessary to understand what the new feature/bp is going to do | 15:39 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: there's a risk that we will be stuck in spec:) | 15:40 |
| lpabon | i have found one of the best times to propose new features is at a design summit or a hackathon, for a Q&A session | 15:40 |
| markstur_ | toabctl, +1 | 15:40 |
| toabctl | :) | 15:40 |
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| mkoderer | toabctl: +1 | 15:40 |
| bswartz | my feeling is that if we do specs, we either have to keep them up to date forever, or there has to be an understand that their immediately obsolete when they're agreed to, in which case we'd need to diligent about updating the architecture guide after a feature merges | 15:41 |
| mkoderer | so if we link a spec to the documentation later on everyhing shouel be fine | 15:41 |
| bswartz | understanding( | 15:41 |
| markstur_ | up-to-date-forever: -1 | 15:41 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: we should allow code to be submitted and reviewed before a spec is approved, otherwise, we could be stuck:) | 15:42 |
| toabctl | mkoderer: +1 | 15:42 |
| bswartz | specs are still good for hashing out ideas in a international-multi-timezone community like we have | 15:42 |
| markstur_ | xyang1, +1 If reviewers don't need a spec. Great. | 15:42 |
| bswartz | xyang1: oh I'm not in favor of blocking implementation until the spec is agreed to at all | 15:42 |
| lpabon | +1 for luis ;-) | 15:42 |
| bswartz | I love the idea of spec and code in parallel | 15:43 |
| mkoderer | xyang1: so other teams do not accept code without a spec | 15:43 |
| markstur_ | Sometimes a feature deserves a spec rat hole because it is controversial. | 15:43 |
| mkoderer | xyang1: but for me this is too much | 15:43 |
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| mkoderer | so do we agree that specs are helpful? :) | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | developers just have to understand that they're risking wasting their time implementing something before the spec is agreed to because the spec could get -2'd or the significantly changed after discussion | 15:44 |
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| mkoderer | bswartz: I mean that a usual risk for every commit | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | but I think it's extremely valuable to propose a new feature and have a working prototype to demonstrate the idea | 15:44 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1, but if a spec is needed for a new feature, the final code shouldn't merge if it doesn't match the spec. | 15:44 |
| xyang1 | cknight: that will not work:) | 15:45 |
| xyang1 | cknight: it is the other way around | 15:45 |
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| xyang1 | your spec has to match your final code | 15:45 |
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| vponomaryov | do we really have issue that will be fixed with appearance of specs repo? | 15:45 |
| bswartz | yeah I agree with xyang1: the code review is the decider of how the feature turns out | 15:45 |
| xyang1 | I've found out from my own experience there is no way to completely match an approved spec | 15:45 |
| lpabon | test -- can you guys see this? | 15:45 |
| cknight | xyang1: OK, either way. :-) | 15:46 |
| xyang1 | people keep come up with new ideas | 15:46 |
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| markstur_ | lpabon, test passed | 15:46 |
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| lpabon | cook, thanks | 15:46 |
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| mkoderer | lpabon: yes | 15:46 |
| lpabon | cool | 15:46 |
| lpabon | my $0.02 is that specs are.... ok.. and most of the time they talk about something that the code never does | 15:47 |
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| markstur_ | So reviewer can -1 to say 'fix your spec' before merge -- but after that expect the spec to age and get obsolete | 15:47 |
| lpabon | specially in open source projects | 15:47 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: the issue is that large new features are hard to discuss without some kind of document -- in the last we've used wikis | 15:47 |
| bswartz | in the past* | 15:47 |
| xyang1 | markstur_: I don't think that is efficient | 15:47 |
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| xyang1 | people will come up with new ideas after you fix the spec | 15:47 |
| xyang1 | it is never ending | 15:47 |
| xyang1 | we have to allow the code to be merged first | 15:48 |
| vponomaryov | big +1 for neverending =) | 15:48 |
| xyang1 | and update spec as soon as possible | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | yeah -- I feel strongly that unless we commit to updating the specs forever, people have to accept that they're instantly obsolete and the code becomes the source of truth | 15:48 |
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| vponomaryov | wiki page has history as well | 15:48 |
| lpabon | bswartz, i do not think that is going to work in a community based environment | 15:48 |
| mkoderer | vponomaryov: a wiki page does not have a "review" process | 15:49 |
| bswartz | wikis actually do have a "discussion" function but I don't think it works too well | 15:49 |
| lpabon | a spec should be enough of the architecture to understand how to read the code (commented code that is) | 15:49 |
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| xyang1 | I don't think wiki is good, it is too easy for anyone to make changes | 15:50 |
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| cknight | bswartz: +1. If the code can merge first, there is much less incentive to update the spec later. Of course the spec becomes obsolete, but if there was never a point in time the spec matched the code, the spec has little value after the initial discussion. | 15:50 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: do not truct people ? =) | 15:50 |
| vponomaryov | s/truct/trust/ | 15:50 |
| cknight | vponomaryov: trust but verify :-) | 15:51 |
| bswartz | cknight: I think the value is mostly that initial discussion -- after that happens the spec loses its value rapidly | 15:51 |
| mkoderer | vponomaryov: we have code review because we never trust people :) | 15:51 |
| xyang1 | vponomaryov: if it is people in this group, that is fine, but it could be modified by anyone in the world:) | 15:51 |
| xyang1 | vponomaryov: I had some trouble keep correcting one particular wiki:) | 15:51 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: same about gerrit | 15:51 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: anyone can add patch-sets | 15:52 |
| xyang1 | vponomaryov: there is a review process | 15:52 |
| lpabon | bswartz, that is why i think bringing up new features to design summits, irc meetings, or hackathons are the best method... and not necessarily a long spec | 15:52 |
| bswartz | I wrote several "specs" about the manila driver modes and network plugins 6 months ago -- they're all very wrong now | 15:52 |
| xyang1 | at least we can see before it is changed:) | 15:52 |
| markstur_ | bswartz, go fix'em | 15:52 |
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| vponomaryov | markstur_: fix them tomorrow, and every day =) | 15:53 |
| xyang1 | lpabon: problem is things usually change after the design summit:) | 15:53 |
| markstur_ | Seems like we'll never agree to have perfect specs | 15:53 |
| bswartz | markstur_: I should, but it probably makes more sense to write the current truth into an architecture document rather than a bunch of disconnected specs | 15:53 |
| lpabon | xyang1, The developer is just bringing up an idea.. which gets discussed with others | 15:53 |
| markstur_ | I don't see why we cant try them for additional reviewer info | 15:53 |
| xyang1 | lpabon: right, but it could be a complete re-design, the benefit of spec is it keeps a history | 15:54 |
| bswartz | okay well we clearly have a bunch of different opinions on this topic, which is good | 15:54 |
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| lpabon | xyang1, a complete re-design is a great thing..because it is the community working together, and not a single person (or company) working in a cave then coming out with a spec | 15:55 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz next topic? | 15:55 |
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| markstur_ | bswartz, +1 on docs instead of specs for implemented things | 15:55 |
| bswartz | well I think we need to figure out how to decide this one | 15:55 |
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| vponomaryov | lpabon: in a cave - =) | 15:55 |
| bswartz | perhaps a vote next week? | 15:55 |
| lpabon | vponomaryov, :-) | 15:55 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: +1 | 15:55 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1 | 15:55 |
| bswartz | it probably deserves an ML post too | 15:55 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: +1 | 15:55 |
| bswartz | I'll write that up | 15:56 |
| bswartz | in the last few minutes, 1 more topic | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | #topic Core team members from the same company | 15:56 |
| lpabon | anyways, my message is -- make it a community effort by bringing ideas up as early as possible | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | we now have a core team including 2 mirantis developers, 2 netapp developers, and 1 emc developer | 15:56 |
| bswartz | some have raised concerns about the concentration of power in 2 companies | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | there is a diversity concern too -- but we can solve that by continuing to grow the core team | 15:57 |
| xyang1 | lpabon: "as early as possible" may not happen:). ideas will keep coming till GA | 15:57 |
| lpabon | (and i worked for two of them in my previous life) | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | I'd like to propose, that in the interest of fairness, we create a rule that the two +2s before a +A on any patch cannot come from a single company | 15:58 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: contentration of power in two companies because other not active? | 15:58 |
| lpabon | +1mil | 15:58 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1, I've been adhering to this already. But I think there should be some leeway for things like emergency gate fixes. | 15:58 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: having some more cores from distributors would be quite helpful | 15:58 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: at the end someone need to package Manila and give support :) | 15:58 |
| bswartz | cknight: that leeway already exists -- any of us and break the rules and +2A anything, but we REALLY avoid that | 15:58 |
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| markstur_ | cknight, +1 | 15:58 |
| bswartz | in fact I don't think I've needed to use that power in more than 6 months | 15:59 |
| cknight | bswartz: ok, thanks | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: it's true that developers have to be doing the hard work of doing reviews to be considered for the core team | 15:59 |
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| xyang1 | so I think it is good to have diversity, but we also should not make a hard rule saying no more cores from the 3 companies | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | and up until recently, the set of people doing that was small | 16:00 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: so it is problem not of these two companies | 16:00 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: that are "active" | 16:00 |
| bswartz | but I'm happy to see many new people doing reviews, so we can continue to grow the core team | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: the concern is that netapp could propose something nobody likes and shove it thorugh with a +2 from both me and cknight | 16:00 |
| bswartz | or mirantis could do the same | 16:01 |
| bswartz | the diversity concern is entirely different and we don't have time to get into that today | 16:01 |
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| bswartz | it's important to me that we strive for diversity and fairness | 16:01 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: sure. I think it is good to require another core from a different company to +2 as much as possible | 16:02 |
| esker | bswartz: are you looking to implement this measure based on some prior actual problem? Or the possible future occurrence of such? | 16:02 |
| mkwiek | \leave | 16:02 |
| bswartz | this rule will be unofficial unfortunately, because I don't think we have an official set of bylaws anywhere | 16:02 |
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| bswartz | okay we're over our time | 16:02 |
| bswartz | thanks all | 16:02 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 9 16:02:56 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-04-09-15.00.html | 16:03 |
| esker | bswartz: ? | 16:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-04-09-15.00.txt | 16:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-04-09-15.00.log.html | 16:03 |
| kozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 9 16:03:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:03 |
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| kozhukalov | #chair kozhukalov | 16:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: kozhukalov | 16:03 |
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| mkwiek | hello | 16:03 |
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| kozhukalov | hey guys | 16:03 |
| sambork | hi | 16:03 |
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| kozhukalov | agenda as usual | 16:03 |
| daniel3_ | hello | 16:03 |
| sc68cal | hi | 16:03 |
| barthalion | o/ | 16:03 |
| agordeev | o/ | 16:03 |
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| kozhukalov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:03 |
| prmtl | o/ | 16:03 |
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| mihgen | hi folks | 16:03 |
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| kozhukalov | any announcements before we get started? | 16:04 |
| mihgen | the only announcement is that we are still working on bugs | 16:04 |
| mihgen | and have not yet reached SCF | 16:04 |
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| kozhukalov | mihgen: thanx | 16:04 |
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| kozhukalov | ok just couple topics for today and both are about IBP | 16:05 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic IBP python build image script (kozhukalov) | 16:05 |
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| kozhukalov | like I wrote script work just fine | 16:05 |
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| kozhukalov | but we are still working on tests | 16:06 |
| mihgen | in python? | 16:06 |
| kozhukalov | review is welocome | 16:06 |
| mihgen | instead of bash | 16:06 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: yes | 16:06 |
| kozhukalov | in python | 16:06 |
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| kozhukalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169413/ | 16:06 |
| salmon_ | hi | 16:06 |
| kozhukalov | there are three patches in fuel-web | 16:07 |
| mihgen | I hope you tested it in different scenarious, including failures, etc… | 16:07 |
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| kozhukalov | mihgen: actually, it does exactly the same that our shell version | 16:07 |
| kozhukalov | and agordeev is going to implement retry-s for debootstrap and apt-get | 16:08 |
| mihgen | ok, cool | 16:08 |
| agordeev | i'd like to notice that besides tests, we're in a need of more compehensive logging, retry logic and clean-up. | 16:08 |
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| kozhukalov | we are still waiting until warpc finishes his part about progress bar | 16:09 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: progress bar for what stage? | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171137/ | 16:09 |
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| mihgen | I tried deployment, and now UX is not very good when we are building image on master node | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | for both: building image and installing os (for IBP) | 16:10 |
| mihgen | basically it says "provisioning", 0% complete, and nothing happens for next 10-15min; | 16:10 |
| kozhukalov | yes, you are right | 16:10 |
| kozhukalov | and this patch from warpc is going to make it better | 16:10 |
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| kozhukalov | i mean progress bar is going to be moving while image is being build | 16:11 |
| kozhukalov | at least | 16:11 |
| mihgen | we would ideally say "building image", not "provisioning" | 16:11 |
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| mihgen | not sure if it can be easily accomplished though | 16:12 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: will ask warpc if it is possible | 16:12 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: but it requires to split stages, and it looks like we likely won't be able to do this by 6.1 | 16:13 |
| mihgen | ok, thx | 16:13 |
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| kozhukalov | another point here is that many QA report 1200 secs is not enough for building image | 16:14 |
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| kozhukalov | the reason for that is rather IO performance | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov | low performance | 16:14 |
| mihgen | it can be slow Internet too | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov | i've made a patch to increase timeout up to 3600 secs | 16:15 |
| mihgen | ok.. | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: it is sure to be connected with io | 16:15 |
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| kozhukalov | because if host does not ignore sync calls from guest | 16:16 |
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| kozhukalov | it could even take more time | 16:16 |
| kozhukalov | for example for qemu we need to use nosafe cache mode for disk driver | 16:16 |
| kozhukalov | that is it on this topic | 16:17 |
| kozhukalov | moving on | 16:17 |
| mihgen | thx. let's move on | 16:17 |
| kozhukalov | #topic IBP getting rid of using md for /boot file system (kozhukalov) | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "IBP getting rid of using md for /boot file system (kozhukalov) (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:17 | |
| kozhukalov | some people reported that we need to support more that 20 and even 30 disks | 16:18 |
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| kozhukalov | currently we have 28 disks limitation | 16:18 |
| kozhukalov | because we spread /boot over all disks | 16:18 |
| maximov | but we found a way how two fix it in 6.1, right? | 16:19 |
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| kozhukalov | and legacy grub (which is on centos) does not support md > 0.9 | 16:19 |
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| kozhukalov | maximov: yes | 16:19 |
| maximov | yes, but for ubuntu there is no such problem | 16:19 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171668/ | 16:19 |
| maximov | and second way was just to keep 1 /boot for 1 disk | 16:20 |
| kozhukalov | this patch avoids using md for /boot totally | 16:20 |
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| maximov | this is sort of hack but will work for 6.1 until we implement advanced volume manager | 16:20 |
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| kozhukalov | yes, this patch implements this idea | 16:20 |
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| mihgen | related bug to the area | 16:21 |
| kozhukalov | it is not a hack, because the whole data driver is intended to deal with data from nailgun | 16:21 |
| mihgen | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1258347 | 16:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1258347 in Fuel for OpenStack "[volumes-refactoring] Can't exclude a volume from the boot md (raid 1)" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Fuel Python Team (fuel-python) | 16:21 |
| mihgen | can you please comment on this one - any possibility to do something with this one in 6.1? | 16:21 |
| mihgen | or it's actually duplicate? | 16:22 |
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| kozhukalov | mihgen: thanx, yes, this is related, but this particular bug should be addressed by volume manager refactoring | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov | because this bug is actully about fuel flexibility | 16:23 |
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| mihgen | can't we just skip the devices which user marked as "don't touch"? | 16:23 |
| mihgen | I believe this bug is about that | 16:23 |
| kozhukalov | it is more about the situation when a user just does not want us to touch this particular disk | 16:23 |
| mihgen | I'm concerned that we've got such a large heat on this bug, os many users hit it | 16:23 |
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| mihgen | yeah, that's what I'm talking about | 16:24 |
| kozhukalov | yes, we'll do that when we implement new volume manager | 16:24 |
| kozhukalov | my idea is to deal with all volumes as with a flat set of objects | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | like it is done in cinder for example | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | but will see | 16:25 |
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| mihgen | I was thinking if we could make a workaround to fix this particular thing easily without refactoring | 16:26 |
| kozhukalov | at least 6.1 + IBP is gonna support unlimited number of disks | 16:26 |
| kozhukalov | in a reason of course | 16:26 |
| mihgen | it's actually "forget that you have a disk", so not to touch it | 16:26 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: ok, then i'll take a look at this bug carefully and will comment | 16:27 |
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| mihgen | thanks! | 16:28 |
| kozhukalov | if there are no other questions, let's move on | 16:28 |
| kozhukalov | #topic Fuel VXLAN support (sc68cal) | 16:28 |
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| sc68cal | howdy | 16:29 |
| kozhukalov | sc68cal: hi | 16:29 |
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| sc68cal | There's been a bit of discussion about encapsulation technologies to support in fuel, and I'm just trying to track down fuel support for vxlan | 16:30 |
| aglarendil | sc68cal: currently VXLAN as badily supported by OVS | 16:30 |
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| aglarendil | sc68cal: OVS cannot use multicast address as an endpoint address | 16:30 |
| aglarendil | sc68cal: this means that VXLAN is not better than GRE encapsulation except for ability to offload it on hardware | 16:31 |
| aglarendil | sc68cal: there is good support in Linux kernel, but unfortunately Neutron does not have a plugin for it | 16:31 |
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| aglarendil | sc68cal: so we decided to hang on for a while until there is a good support in upstream | 16:31 |
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| aglarendil | I have finished | 16:32 |
| sc68cal | aglarendil: ability to offload to hardware is a big selling point. I understand the multicast issue, but I don't think that should be a blocker | 16:32 |
| sc68cal | I'm willing to work on adding support, while we wait for upstream | 16:32 |
| sc68cal | basically resume the work that is linked from https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/neutron-vxlan-support | 16:33 |
| aglarendil | sc68cal: okay, let's do it | 16:33 |
| aglarendil | sc68cal: but I would rather make it a plugin | 16:33 |
| mihgen | I would say that we started to explore different options now, which would suite efficient multirack deployment support | 16:33 |
| aglarendil | sc68cal: emphasizing that it is not so good right now to be inside FUEL core | 16:33 |
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| mihgen | sc68cal: so your ideas / input would be great, can you start discussion in openstack-dev ML? | 16:34 |
| sc68cal | aglarendil: I'd have to do a little more research on fuel plugins before I would commit | 16:34 |
| aglarendil | I would better look towards something Open and created by well-known vendors | 16:34 |
| sc68cal | but yes I'll start a thread on the ML | 16:34 |
| aglarendil | like OpenDayLight or Juniper | 16:34 |
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| mihgen | fuel plugins would be the best wherever psosible of course | 16:34 |
| mihgen | also we will extend it in the next timeframe (7.0) in order to support roles creation out of plugin | 16:34 |
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| mihgen | as I undertand, it should be failrly easy to support vxlan in fuel? | 16:35 |
| sc68cal | unknown, just starting. Would assume so | 16:36 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: do we need any nailgun changes in order to support vxlan? | 16:36 |
| mihgen | I thought it's gonna be just some puppet stuff to configure neutron, etc. | 16:36 |
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| aglarendil | mihgen: not very much, I guess for unicast | 16:37 |
| mihgen | kk | 16:37 |
| xenolog_ | mihgen: yep, it's a new segmentation type | 16:37 |
| mihgen | cool. ok, then sc68cal - waiting for your email in openstack-dev | 16:38 |
| kozhukalov | xenolog_: so, it is just gonna be a little radio on the cluster setting tab? right? | 16:38 |
| sc68cal | mihgen: thanks. will do | 16:38 |
| mihgen | let's move on if we are done here | 16:38 |
| kozhukalov | ok, moving on | 16:39 |
| kozhukalov | #topic Demo env on Vbox: connectivity issues when installing Ubuntu (mihgen) | 16:39 |
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| ikalnitsky | mihgen, what's wrong with Vbox? | 16:40 |
| mihgen | ikalnitsky: if you do macos install | 16:40 |
| mihgen | provisioning just fine | 16:40 |
| mihgen | then l23network reconfigures your default gw | 16:40 |
| mihgen | and you don't have access to Internet anymore | 16:40 |
| ikalnitsky | oh. got it, there's no connectivity via public network. | 16:40 |
| mihgen | you actually can ping default gateway, which is your vboxnet1 by default on your host | 16:41 |
| mihgen | we use host-only nets in vbox | 16:41 |
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| ikalnitsky | should we change all of them to nat interface? | 16:41 |
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| mihgen | the question is how to configure vbox or host, so traffic can be forwarded further and not being dropped on vboxnet1 | 16:41 |
| ikalnitsky | just like we do for vboxnet0 ? | 16:41 |
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| mihgen | do we do it for vboxnet0?? | 16:42 |
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| ikalnitsky | i'm not sure, but looks like it | 16:42 |
| mihgen | I think we use second net adapter NAT in vbox for master node | 16:42 |
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| mihgen | but not for any other nodes | 16:42 |
| mihgen | and when we use NAT, then it's dhcp, vbox provides IP | 16:42 |
| ikalnitsky | Ok.. i see vboxnet0 is host-only. vboxnet1 is host-only and the third one is nat | 16:42 |
| mihgen | and we want to use static IPs for our slaves | 16:43 |
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| ikalnitsky | i've just checked on my vbox installation | 16:43 |
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| mihgen | hm. ikalnitsky - it would be great if you can try to play a bit in order to fix it. If it doesn't work right away, we would find someone less busy to work on a solution | 16:44 |
| mihgen | currently it's serious vbox demo issue - install fails | 16:44 |
| ikalnitsky | mihgen, i'll try to do it tomorrow. | 16:44 |
| ikalnitsky | mihgen, did you file a bug? | 16:44 |
| mihgen | and even bigger problem is that it fails with just like something failed, go to logs | 16:44 |
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| mihgen | there are ton of logs of course.. we would need to see if we can do any improvement here for troubleshooting as well | 16:45 |
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| mihgen | ikalnitsky: pls try without bug, but I'll try to get time today to reproduce and file bug | 16:45 |
| kozhukalov | #action ikalnitsky does research about how to fix internet connectivity for vbox demo | 16:46 |
| mihgen | let's move on .. | 16:46 |
| kozhukalov | #topic customer-found bugs moved to 7.0: http://bit.ly/1ClWmBd | 16:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "customer-found bugs moved to 7.0: http://bit.ly/1ClWmBd (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:47 | |
| mihgen | I'd like to bring attention to these bugs, especially those which > medium priority | 16:47 |
| mihgen | let's see if every of them has a very good reason to be moved out of current 6.1 milestone. | 16:47 |
| mihgen | some of them are pretty important to get fixed sooner than later, and we might rather want to delay release, than to release with defects which hit a lot of users | 16:48 |
| mihgen | overall we need to pay special attention to customer-found and other community reported bugs, taking them with care | 16:48 |
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| mihgen | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1278964 | 16:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1278964 in Fuel for OpenStack "[library] DB grew large within 1 week, filled root filesystem" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Vladimir Kozhukalov (kozhukalov) | 16:49 |
| mihgen | I thougth we have a workaround for this one | 16:49 |
| kozhukalov | it is all about volume manager | 16:50 |
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| mihgen | didn't we? original issue seemed to be that DB was growing just enormously and killed root partition. Can't it be easily solved by creating an lvm for db? | 16:50 |
| mihgen | ok I don't want to go over all bugs during this meeting, just let's provide comment to every what would it take to fix it | 16:51 |
| kozhukalov | but, yes for IBP we potentially can make workarounds for many cases which appear due to lack of flexibiltiy in volume manager | 16:52 |
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| kozhukalov | mihgen: will take a look | 16:52 |
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| mihgen | ok, thanks | 16:53 |
| mihgen | let's move on | 16:53 |
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| _1_chopi4567 | hii | 16:53 |
| kozhukalov | yes, bugs are bugs, let's pay more attention to those which hit many people | 16:53 |
| _1_chopi4567 | ok | 16:54 |
| kozhukalov | #topic NetApp plugin without maintainer (prmtl) | 16:54 |
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| prmtl | hey all | 16:54 |
| _1_chopi4567 | ok | 16:54 |
| _1_chopi4567 | hii | 16:54 |
| kozhukalov | hey | 16:54 |
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| prmtl | the problem is that we still have one plugin left without a maintainer: https://github.com/stackforge/fuel-plugin-cinder-netapp | 16:54 |
| prmtl | and there are bugs reported for it https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1441022 https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1405186 | 16:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1441022 in Fuel for OpenStack "typo in fuel cinder netap plugin" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to sbartel (samuel-bartel) | 16:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1405186 in Fuel for OpenStack "fuel cinder_netapp plugin miss 7mode and Eseries storage familly support" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Fuel Partner Integration Team (fuel-partner) | 16:55 |
| prmtl | and there is no one that can take care of them | 16:55 |
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| mihgen | prmtl: well, we need to find someone to work on it, or mark it as experimental .. | 16:55 |
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| prmtl | original author do not have time, PI will not work on it since it's not ceritfied | 16:56 |
| mihgen | prmtl: it would be cool to get someone from community to work on those.. | 16:56 |
| prmtl | Samuel Bartel, who reported that bug is probably good candidate | 16:57 |
| prmtl | but still, there should be someone from company that will take care of the plugins that was created by us (even if they are not certified) | 16:57 |
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| mihgen | true. let me work on that and ensure that we'll have it in responsibilty matrix | 16:58 |
| prmtl | great | 16:58 |
| mihgen | sbartel actually proposed patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171186/ | 16:58 |
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| prmtl | yes, and probably he will aslo fix the second bug | 16:58 |
| prmtl | also* | 16:58 |
| mihgen | let's help, review / merge or even give him merge rights, if he will keep working on the plugin | 16:58 |
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| kozhukalov | 1 minute | 16:59 |
| kozhukalov | ok, looks like we are done | 16:59 |
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| kozhukalov | thanx everyone for attending | 16:59 |
| mihgen | ok thanks all | 16:59 |
| prmtl | thanks | 16:59 |
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| kozhukalov | ending | 16:59 |
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| kozhukalov | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 9 16:59:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-04-09-16.03.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-04-09-16.03.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-04-09-16.03.log.html | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Openstack Security Group | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 9 17:00:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 17:00 |
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| tkelsey | o/ | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:00 |
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| * fungi peeks out of his cave | 17:00 | |
| hyakuhei | o/ | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | ooer! | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | fungi: welcome | 17:00 |
| bpb | o/ | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | Hey fungi, how’s the weather in VMT land? | 17:01 |
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| nkinder | hi all | 17:01 |
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| fungi | swell. i saw the security.openstack.org site on the agenda, so made sure not to miss the meeting | 17:01 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent! | 17:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | Also excellent that people read the agenda! | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/OpenStackSecurity#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda. | 17:02 |
| bknudson | a fungus among us | 17:02 |
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| elmiko | o/ | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | Hey elmiko thanks for joining us | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok, so lets get going now sicarie has finally joined us! | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | #topic project status | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | So, it gives me great pleasure to announce that we are now a part of OpenStack proper! | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170172/ | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | woot | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | woooohooo | 17:04 |
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| elmiko | huzzah! | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | This will be the last meeting of the OSSG, we’ll be “OpenStack Security” next week :D | 17:04 |
| fungi | {group hug} | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | :D | 17:04 |
| elmiko | hehe | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | And of course a great welcome to our VMT ninjas! | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: same bat time, same bat channel? | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Yup | 17:05 |
| tkelsey | cool cool | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | Coming up is a round of rebranding/refactoring and updating of existing documentation, links etc | 17:05 |
| nkinder | woohoo! | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | We’re currently on Launchpad as a stand-alone org, hopefully we can get moved to a subproject of OpenStack soon: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-ossg | 17:06 |
| fungi | lemme see if i can provide direction on that part | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | That would be helpful! | 17:06 |
| fungi | bdpayne will need to help with this | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | bdpayne is gonzo :\ | 17:07 |
| fungi | yeah, which is why i pointed that out | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | ahhh | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | No problem, we still chat | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | Though the divorce was horrible | 17:07 |
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| fungi | rob may be able to. he's set as an administrator on that group | 17:07 |
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| bknudson | we should steal the shield logo : https://launchpad.net/ossa | 17:07 |
| fungi | they're the only two administrators for the group in lp though | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, lets work out what needs to be done there | 17:08 |
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| elmiko | ooh, +1 for logo stealing ;) | 17:08 |
| fungi | but bdpayne is still set as the group owner | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah, I noticed that earlier, I’ll ping him an email later | 17:13 |
| gmurphy | o/ | 17:13 |
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| hyakuhei | #action hyakuhei to talk to Bdpayne re LP group ownership | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | hey gmurphy | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | I agree the OSSA launchpad group has a nice logo, I’m not sure stealing it really sends the right message though :P | 17:13 |
| tkelsey | lol | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | Ok next up I’d like to talk about security.openstack.org | 17:13 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: yea, probably true... | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | #topic security.openstack.org | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | fungi: can you give a little background on how this site came to be ? | 17:13 |
| bknudson | #link http://security.openstack.org/ | 17:13 |
| fungi | hyakuhei: we needed somewhere to publish out security advisories, and still don't have control over www.openstack.org | 17:13 |
| fungi | er, publish our | 17:13 |
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| fungi | that's more or less the extent of the story | 17:13 |
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| hyakuhei | It would be nice to look at how we might add more user resources, for people looking for general openstack security things. I’m thinking things like OSSNs, links to the security guide, developer best practices etc. | 17:13 |
| fungi | yeah, the expectation is that we can set up similar publication jobs for the ossn repo | 17:14 |
| nkinder | fungi: +1 | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:14 |
| fungi | and rearrange the site index a little so that they're sectioned appropriately and easy to find | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | Makes sense. | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | So are you the maintainer for security.openstack.org fungi ? | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | That is to say, it’s your baby? | 17:15 |
| fungi | gmurphy basically wrote a sphinx plugin to autogenerate our advisories out of some structured yaml as part of the publication chain | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | We are working on something similar for OSSN | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | well, gmurphy, nkinder were I think ? | 17:15 |
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| fungi | the vmt has been collectively managing the git ossa repository which is where that content is currently coming from, but being an infra root admin it was easiest for me to get the site added and the publication jobs going | 17:15 |
| nkinder | Yeah, I did a bunch of work on a prototype | 17:16 |
| fungi | should be easy to crib whatever we've got to cover your dataset as well | 17:16 |
| gmurphy | where did you get to with the ossn -> yaml stuff? | 17:16 |
| nkinder | I'm not really sure that YAML is the right way to go, but I have a python module written that is able to consume our existing notes and represent them in python | 17:17 |
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| gmurphy | that works | 17:17 |
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| hyakuhei | That would be great, our data is too badly defined at the moment, we have a work item to turn the existing OSSN into something more machien readable | 17:17 |
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| fungi | yeah, by comparison our advisories consist mostly of well-defined fields and sections | 17:18 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: I have it so it's machine readible | 17:18 |
| fungi | so ossn likely requires a little more wrangling | 17:18 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: the problem is the YAML is not very readible and loses formatting | 17:18 |
| fungi | yep, as long as you've got something you can use to turn it into restructuredtext, sphinx will be happy with that and we can run it as part of the publication pipeline | 17:19 |
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| nkinder | this is what I've come up with - http://paste.openstack.org/show/201422/ | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | Cool, so I’m sure we can work that out. nkinder any preferred output? | 17:20 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: well, the question is what exactly do we want to do with that output? | 17:20 |
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| nkinder | hyakuhei: slurping the existing notes into Python, I can easily write tools to check if certain releases are affected, parse out recommendations, etc. | 17:20 |
| nkinder | there's no need to output to another format for that | 17:21 |
| nkinder | fungi: ok, so you want rst | 17:21 |
| nkinder | fungi: I can do that pretty easily I think | 17:21 |
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| hyakuhei | I think we want something that’s parsable so we can push it into security.openstack.org easily. I want us to get to a point where it’s easy for some outsider looking at OpenStack to say “what OSSN/OSSA affect Folsom” for example | 17:21 |
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| fungi | we could probably do something other than rst if you need, but sphinx is what most of us know how to deal with | 17:21 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: yes, but that is solved with my new class | 17:22 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: the YAML is pretty ugly to be honest, largely because we have so much formatting | 17:22 |
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| hyakuhei | Cool, so I have no strong feelings about how to get there. If you don’t think YAML is the way to go I’m happy that’s the right call | 17:22 |
| nkinder | fungi: nah, rst is fine | 17:23 |
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| nkinder | I think we need to define what we want to do with the notes, not the format | 17:23 |
| nkinder | the format should fall out of the use-cases | 17:23 |
| nkinder | if rst is what fits in with publishing, that makes sense | 17:23 |
| nkinder | for tools that can be used to see if a note affects a deployment, I think I have that solved already | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | Publish and search are the two things I care about most right now | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | Great! | 17:24 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:24 |
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| nkinder | ok, I'll work on adding to_rst() and load_from_rst() methods. | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | Sweet | 17:25 |
| nkinder | that should get us what we need | 17:25 |
| fungi | the current site content is all being rendered from rst to html by sphinx, hence we generate rst from yaml as an intermediate format during publication, but really you don't necessarily have to store it in rst as long as there's some transformation we can perform during publication | 17:25 |
| nkinder | we might eventually just decide to write them in rst in the first place | 17:25 |
| nkinder | we can evaluate that later | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | fungi: Are you happy with the general proposal that we make security.openstack.org more of a landing page for OpenStack Security Things - of which OSSA would be a prominent part? | 17:25 |
| fungi | hyakuhei: yes, we were expecting to work with the ossg to make that happen even before the idea of merging governance came up | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | Wonderful! | 17:26 |
| fungi | just seemed like a logical thing to do regardless | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | but one doesn’t like to just assume such things... | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | ok, anything else to disscuss on this particular topic | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | sicarie: Are you free to talk about the security guide for a moment or two? | 17:27 |
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| sicarie | yes | 17:27 |
| sicarie | So we have several open bugs: #link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bugs?field.tag=sec-guide | 17:28 |
| sicarie | We're trying to get a new lulu (physical copy) out by the Liberty release, so I think the Identity chapter is being worked | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Security Guide | 17:28 |
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| sicarie | If anyone wants to take a look I think the Dashboard and Network chapters need some work | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | Sorry, slow to keep up... | 17:28 |
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| shelleea007 | I am still looking into both of those chapters | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | Ah yes, I saw nkinder had an action item regarding identity from a couple of weeks back… | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | and shelleea007 :P | 17:29 |
| sicarie | And then I noticed the case studies are not consistent | 17:29 |
| elmiko | and i'm still reading through the identity chapter | 17:29 |
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| shelleea007 | I filed some bugs this AM | 17:29 |
| sicarie | Yep, we have some good work in-flight | 17:29 |
| shelleea007 | i didn't forget :p | 17:30 |
| sicarie | thanks nkinder, elmiko and shelleea007 | 17:30 |
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| sicarie | And finally I started an etherpad to re-write the case studies | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | Wonderful ok, so a reminder for everyone that contributing to the guide is a great way to get involved | 17:30 |
| sicarie | The new sections are going to be at the bottom | 17:30 |
| sicarie | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sec-guide-case-studies | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | Great, I’ll look out for those when they land in review | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | sicarie: didn't you have a pull request for hyakuhei on the dev practices? | 17:31 |
| sicarie | Yes I did | 17:31 |
| sicarie | And I went through and updated the XSS last night, but did not push it yet | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:31 |
| sicarie | pull request for developer guidelines #link: https://github.com/openstack-security/Developer-Guidance/pull/1 | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | Cool, I didn’t get a notification about that for some reason, just logged in and found it now | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | Merged. | 17:32 |
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| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | thanks hyakuhei, sicarie | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | Anything else around these docs? | 17:33 |
| sicarie | sweet, I'll do another pull request on the xss one today/tomorrow | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | I’ll keep an eye out | 17:33 |
| gmurphy | so how about converting them to .rst and getting them up on security.o.o? | 17:33 |
| sicarie | thanks | 17:33 |
| sicarie | gmurphy: thanks for the reminder | 17:33 |
| sicarie | The docs team is migrating to rst | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | thank the gods! | 17:33 |
| sicarie | I put us in the queue after Liberty | 17:33 |
| gmurphy | oh sweet. | 17:34 |
| sicarie | I want to focus on the content, then migrate | 17:34 |
| elmiko | sicarie: won't we just migrate the current site to security.o.o? | 17:34 |
| sicarie | elmiko: not sure how they're doing it - it looks like a largely manual process (or at least involved) | 17:34 |
| elmiko | ah, ok | 17:34 |
| sicarie | I think the move to security will be fine | 17:34 |
| sicarie | the conversion to rst is a bit more involved (I think) | 17:35 |
| sicarie | It's on my list to get more info on, though | 17:35 |
| elmiko | yea, could be | 17:35 |
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| hyakuhei | Anne Gentle appears to be open to moving the security doc repo under Security now that we’re all official and whatnot. | 17:35 |
| sicarie | Yes, that was mentioned, but the ticket is not submitted yet - there was discussion at the docs meeting on Wednesday | 17:35 |
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| sicarie | AJeager is a bit more aware of what is going on | 17:36 |
| sicarie | And btw Anne is not running for docs PTL again | 17:36 |
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| hyakuhei | Oh I thought I saw an email saying she was. | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | Ho hum. | 17:36 |
| sicarie | I could be mistaken - I thought it was the opposite | 17:36 |
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| bknudson | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Elections_April_2015 | 17:37 |
| sicarie | Yeah, monday at 9:47 PST she decided not to | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | Fair enough :) | 17:37 |
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| sicarie | s/9/8 | 17:38 |
| bknudson | it'll be Lana Brindley unless someone else steps up | 17:38 |
| fungi | yeah, lana is ptl by default i believe | 17:38 |
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| bknudson | here's your chance. | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | Heh. | 17:38 |
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| fungi | no one else is stepping up unless lana steps down. the nomination period closed at 06:00 utc today | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, lets talk about the summit a little. | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Summit | 17:38 |
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| hyakuhei | Now we’re official we get time/space at the summit :D | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | No more hanging around the Barbican geeks - unless you want to of course.... | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | So here’s the mail I had from Theirry this morning on this topic : #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/summit-choices | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | So we need to tell Theirry how many fishbowls and boardrooms we want. | 17:39 |
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| fungi | i expect that the vulnerability management session(s) come out of your schedule budget now rather than out of release management's | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | If there’s a topic you care about and want to discuss at the summit, please put append it to that etherpad | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | fungi: Makes sense | 17:40 |
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| hyakuhei | So please everyone, if you want time to talk about Anchor, Bandit, VMT, Metrics, Security Docs etc please add to that etherpad, I’ve got you started | 17:42 |
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| hyakuhei | Theirry wants feedback on this asap so I’ll be reaching out to him tomorrow morning with whatever seems most appropriate based on that etherpad :) | 17:43 |
| fungi | tristanC: ^ heads up | 17:43 |
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| hyakuhei | ok, anything else to discuss re summit shenanigans? I’ll try to find some funding for a security team meal/meetup but the agenda for the week looks pretty challenging so it might just be a case of breaking out when and where we can | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Elections | 17:45 |
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| elmiko | are these just for ossg dev work? (for example, would it be appropriate to have a bandit session about how to take it's output and turn it into actionable items) | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | Previously we’ve run elections in a semi ad-hoc manner, now we’ll be moving to work more like other more established OpenStack projects. Onlist nominations, subsequent voting etc. | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: +1 | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko: I think that would be appropriate | 17:46 |
| elmiko | k, cool | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | We can always ask :) | 17:46 |
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| elmiko | added to pad | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | Previously we’ve conducted elections like this: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/OSSG_Lead_Election_Fall_2014 | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | I need to look at if/how the electorate needs to change to be more inline with how OpenStack projects typically work. | 17:48 |
| fungi | worth noting that the ossg, because of having run its own ptl election so recently, doesn't need to do so again until september | 17:48 |
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| fungi | at least that was what i got from ttx's e-mail earlier in the week | 17:48 |
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| hyakuhei | oh ok, so I think my mandate was basically “until the spring summit 2015” and I’d like to honor that | 17:49 |
| fungi | though if there's sufficient interest in an interim election because of having added new repos/subteams, we could probably do so | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | it’d be good to get some elections in before the summit and hopefully align more with more established Openstack projects. | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | I'm happy to leave it where it is FWIW | 17:50 |
| tkelsey | +1 | 17:50 |
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| hyakuhei | I think we’d need a vote on that :P | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | fair enough | 17:51 |
| bknudson | what's the voting criteria? | 17:51 |
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| hyakuhei | The previous criteria are listed here: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/OSSG_Lead_Election_Fall_2014 | 17:51 |
| bknudson | I don't think it's worth it to have an election, and if we wait we can have a better idea of the new voting criteria | 17:51 |
| bknudson | seems like the vmt should have a say, for example | 17:51 |
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| fungi | i think that's part of what needs to be decided. now that the security project has several git repos under its governance, we could in theory consider using more typical openstack election criteria | 17:51 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah, though we need security-doc too (or some way to recognise contributions there) | 17:52 |
| fungi | e.g. qualified electors would be contributors to ossa, ossn, security guide, bandit, et cetera in the relevant time period | 17:52 |
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| hyakuhei | So any election we have, would have to be inclusive of the VMT and I think I agree with fungi re: qualifications | 17:52 |
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| fungi | i don't recall whether the security guide was on the table for moving from docs to security oversight | 17:53 |
| fungi | but would make sense to consider it | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | Seems to be open for consideration | 17:53 |
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| sicarie | fungi: it was discussed at the docs meeting on Wednesday, but no determination was made | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | sicarie: what’s your opinion as the security-doc lead? | 17:54 |
| fungi | probably fine to mull that over. it's not an urgent decision | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | +1 I presume it’s easy enough to have contributions to security-doc included in the qualifications for any vote. | 17:54 |
| sicarie | hyakuhei: I'd want to think about it a bit more - I do appreciate the doc team input on style conventions | 17:54 |
| sicarie | but there are a few things I'd like to push through and then revise (vs making sure it's fully style adherent before merging) | 17:54 |
| fungi | given that i'm the one who generates the electoral rolls, yes i confirm that's extremely easy to do | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | Completely. It started off as a useful place to put it and benefit from publishing and ended up being a very useful partnership | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | fungi: lol | 17:55 |
| elmiko | agreed with sicarie the doc team has been great | 17:55 |
| sicarie | Yeah, they've been extremely helpful | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | ok, so lets talk about elections on openstack-dev then as we’re almost out of time | 17:55 |
| fungi | though the doc team's big tent push is to focus more on providing the tools, guidelines and help to other teams to manage their own documentation, so this move could fit well with that | 17:56 |
| bknudson | it would be good to make the electorate requirements public early enough that folks can get on the list if they want to | 17:56 |
| bknudson | I don't think that "attend 3 or more IRC meetings" should cut it anymore. | 17:56 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | agree | 17:57 |
| elmiko | hehe | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | This is part of maturing the group, it’s good that we need to discuss this | 17:57 |
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| * hyakuhei eyes sneaky elmiko …. trying to get votes.... | 17:57 | |
| hyakuhei | ok, so lets wrap with a reminder that we should discuss this further on -dev | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | tag [Security] | 17:58 |
| fungi | sounds good | 17:58 |
| elmiko | what!?! | 17:58 |
| elmiko | ;) | 17:58 |
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| hyakuhei | Thanks everyone! It’s been a long road to get to this point but I’m extremely happy that we integrated with the VMT and have project status before the next summit. Have a great rest of the day! | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | later | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 9 17:59:16 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2015/openstack_security_group.2015-04-09-17.00.html | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2015/openstack_security_group.2015-04-09-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2015/openstack_security_group.2015-04-09-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
| nkinder | thanks all! | 17:59 |
| elmiko | thanks hyakuhei ! | 17:59 |
| gmurphy | laters | 17:59 |
| tkelsey | good meeting | 17:59 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 9 19:00:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting' | 19:00 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Roll Call | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:00 | |
| amitgandhinz | hullo hullo | 19:00 |
| wbrothers | I'm here | 19:00 |
| sriram | /o\ | 19:00 |
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| sriram | \o/ | 19:00 |
| mpanetta | \o | 19:01 |
| sriram | -o- | 19:01 |
| * sriram just stretching :P | 19:01 | |
| mpanetta | -o- | 19:01 |
| mpanetta | \o/ | 19:01 |
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| tonytan4ever | o/ | 19:01 |
| amitgandhinz | lol | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | ok lets get this show on the road | 19:02 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic Last Week (well 2 weeks ago) Today | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Last Week (well 2 weeks ago) Today (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:02 | |
| amitgandhinz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-03-26-19.00.html | 19:02 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok no action items | 19:02 |
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| amitgandhinz | we really need to start assigning ourselves action items =P | 19:03 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic Kilo Review | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo Review (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:03 | |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/kilo-3 | 19:03 |
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| obulpathi | o/ | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/gate-api-tests | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | that one is me =/ | 19:04 |
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| amitgandhinz | i still havent got around to doing this, im going to take my name off it until i can pick it up again | 19:04 |
| sriram | cool | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: Custom Certs | 19:05 |
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| tonytan4ever | We gonna go for manual provisioning for custom cert | 19:05 |
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| amitgandhinz | what is the latest status on the SPS provisioning for custom certs | 19:06 |
| tonytan4ever | and I tested custom cert with the SPS branch it works. | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | w00t! | 19:06 |
| obulpathi | awesome! | 19:06 |
| miqui | am here sorry am late | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | so is this one ready for review now? | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | hi miqui =) | 19:06 |
| tonytan4ever | It is ready for review. | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:07 |
| tonytan4ever | But it is mixed with SAN cert support, I don't expect it to be merged anytime soon though. | 19:07 |
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| sriram | cool | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | The SAN one is blocked due to akamai rt? | 19:08 |
| sriram | perhaps that can be action items, just reviewing everything. | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | #action sriram to review everything | 19:08 |
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| tonytan4ever | Kind of. | 19:08 |
| sriram | haha | 19:08 |
| sriram | done | 19:08 |
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| amitgandhinz | hmm i wonder if we can get the custom one merged, and disable the san one from running its tasks in taskflow | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | it would be nice to be able to feature flag that stuff | 19:09 |
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| sriram | should be possible, there is a feature called TargetFlow | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | but lets first hold off until this manual stuff is good to go | 19:10 |
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| sriram | in taskflow, where you can specify till which flow needs to get executed. | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | then we can get the custom automated one in (assuming it works end to end) | 19:10 |
| * sriram throws it out there :) | 19:10 | |
| amitgandhinz | and then let SAN follow after | 19:10 |
| tonytan4ever | I wouldn't suggest, manual process and SPS process has different flow and code. | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:11 |
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| malini1 | manual is done manually *-) | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | lol | 19:11 |
| miqui | he | 19:11 |
| tonytan4ever | Plus I need to hear from Akamai we have enough custom cert slots. | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | ya | 19:11 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok, shared certs got merged yesterday - yay =D | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | so that one is working | 19:12 |
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| tonytan4ever | That one currently has some problem in testing | 19:12 |
| tonytan4ever | I have contacted Akamai to ask them to take a look. | 19:13 |
| tonytan4ever | We created Cname, policy, and sharded certs succesfully, for some reason the content does not get pulled from origin. | 19:13 |
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| tonytan4ever | This is referring to preview environment. | 19:14 |
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| amitgandhinz | sorry, got booted off the web | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | must have been something i said lol | 19:15 |
| sriram | the web is sentient amitgandhinz | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | ok moving on... | 19:15 |
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| amitgandhinz | miqui: how is the devstack integration going? | 19:16 |
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| miqui | making progress....installing devstack w/ few problems... | 19:16 |
| miqui | but am close to get past that.. | 19:16 |
| sriram | woot! | 19:16 |
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| amitgandhinz | cool. yeh i keep hearing install devstack is a beast | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | malini has done it before so ask her questions if needed | 19:17 |
| miqui | want to do it enough so that i can do it in my sleep | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | haha | 19:17 |
| malini | tht might turn into a nightmare | 19:17 |
| miqui | yup thanks... | 19:17 |
| miqui | hahahah | 19:17 |
| miqui | i have have a 16gig laptop so it should be enough.. | 19:18 |
| sriram | there must be heat template to spin up devstack. | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | make sure you do it in a clean environment each time | 19:18 |
| sriram | if not, that could be a great idea :P | 19:18 |
| miqui | amitgandhinz: yup i have a laptop for that.. | 19:18 |
| miqui | i re-image with every attempt... | 19:19 |
| miqui | so its clean.. | 19:19 |
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| mpanetta | amitgandhinz: The internets don't like you today... | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | i think its the vpn | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | im hardwired now | 19:21 |
| mpanetta | Ah | 19:21 |
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| amitgandhinz | alright | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Bugs | 19:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:21 | |
| amitgandhinz | ok obul reminds me about Log Delivery | 19:22 |
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| * amitgandhinz looking for that bp | 19:22 | |
| malini | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/log-delivery | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | ok got it thanks | 19:22 |
| obulpathi | ok | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: | 19:23 |
| obulpathi | :) | 19:23 |
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| obulpathi | so, the log delivery bp adds log_delivery options to service endpoint | 19:23 |
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| obulpathi | right now the only option is: enabled, a boolean | 19:23 |
| obulpathi | if enabled, poppy creates a swift container named .CDNACCESSLOGS | 19:24 |
| obulpathi | you can specify preferred datacenters for log delivery container | 19:24 |
| obulpathi | so, this part is almost done | 19:25 |
| obulpathi | make some final changes and polishing | 19:25 |
| obulpathi | should have everything by tomorrow | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | =D | 19:25 |
| obulpathi | once this is done, will work on Pig Latin scripts to separate the logs per user and ship them to containers using taskflow | 19:26 |
| obulpathi | thats pretty much it to the blueprint | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | thanks | 19:26 |
| obulpathi | :) | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | ok is that it for bp's? | 19:26 |
| obulpathi | yep | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | ok bugs.... | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | there have been a few bugs fixed recently | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | i added one that fixes teh referrer restrictioins behavior (in review) | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | the problem here was that previously we were applying referer restrictions to the whole site | 19:27 |
| miqui | i have to drop guys...ttyl... | 19:28 |
| obulpathi | ttyl miqui | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | which would then refuse anyone without a referer header, including new visitors coming in from a browser | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | this patch fixes that by allowing customers to specify a path for the restriction | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | this will also apply to geo restrictions later | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | a bunch have been merged, which means ya'll reviewed them and i dont need to discuss them haha | 19:29 |
| obulpathi | cool | 19:29 |
| obulpathi | will review | 19:29 |
| tonytan4ever | I reviewed it. | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Open Discussion | 19:31 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok anything else to discuss? | 19:31 |
| obulpathi | nop nothing from me | 19:31 |
| sriram | nop | 19:32 |
| tonytan4ever | I am good | 19:32 |
| malini | me too | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | ok thanks everyone | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:32 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 9 19:32:48 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-04-09-19.00.html | 19:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-04-09-19.00.txt | 19:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-04-09-19.00.log.html | 19:32 |
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