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| d0ugal | Is there a tripleo meeting now? | 08:08 |
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| jcoufal | d0ugal: should be | 08:32 |
| jcoufal | d0ugal: but slagle is sleeping now | 08:32 |
| jcoufal | so hopefully next week and we will need to solve the timing | 08:32 |
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| rkukura | hi ML2’ers! | 15:59 |
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| yamahata | hello | 16:01 |
| yamahata | I'm wondering if the meeting is today or yesterday as the meeting page says mar 31 | 16:01 |
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| rkukura | yamahata: April fools! | 16:01 |
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| rkukura | Actually, I missed that. Today is Wednesday I think. | 16:02 |
| rkukura | who is here for ML2? | 16:02 |
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| rkukura | I know Sukhdev has a conflict today | 16:02 |
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| rkukura | I’m not seeing shivharis or manishg or amotoki | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | I’ll give people another couple minutes to show up, then hopefully keep it quick today | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | shivharis: hi | 16:05 |
| shivharis | hi | 16:05 |
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| shivharis | sorry got stuck in traffic | 16:05 |
| rkukura | lets get started… | 16:06 |
| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 1 16:06:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:06 |
| rkukura | #topic Agenda | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:06 | |
| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_March_31.2C_2015 | 16:06 |
| rkukura | Today is April Fools day, not March 31, in case anyone was wondering | 16:07 |
| rkukura | Anything to add to the agenda today? | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:08 | |
| rkukura | RC's are April 9-23 and Kilo release on April 30 | 16:08 |
| rkukura | So this is the final stretch to get everything in for kilo. | 16:08 |
| rkukura | mestery also sent an email regarding gathering topics for the design summit | 16:09 |
| rkukura | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-neutron-summit-topics | 16:09 |
| rkukura | I encourage everyone to look over the list, add comments, items, questions, whatever | 16:10 |
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| rkukura | There do seem to be a couple items regarding asynchrony, synchronization, etc., but I’m thinking we should add something ML2-specific | 16:11 |
| rkukura | Lets discuss that under the ML2 Sync topic in a bit | 16:11 |
| rkukura | Does anyone have any other announcements? | 16:11 |
| rkukura | #topic Action Items | 16:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Items (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:12 | |
| rkukura | manishg isn’t here, but had an action item to docusment the ML2 sync discussion points | 16:13 |
| rkukura | Is anyone aware of any progress? | 16:13 |
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| shivharis | manishg: ? | 16:14 |
| rkukura | There is also an action item to create an etherpad for driver decomposition discussion | 16:14 |
| rkukura | shivharis: manishg isn’t the channel | 16:15 |
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| rkukura | isn’t on the channel | 16:15 |
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| shivharis | rkukura: appears so | 16:15 |
| rkukura | does someone own the decomposition discussion etherpad? | 16:15 |
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| rkukura | Or does this just mean to add it to mestery’s etherpad? | 16:16 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: hi | 16:16 |
| sadasu | rkukura: are we looking at the next steps for the decomposition? | 16:16 |
| shivharis | add to armax etherpad if there is one | 16:16 |
| mestery | I'd add it to the broad one for now, there's already a mention of plugin decomp | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: Hi | 16:16 |
| rkukura | Someone added: “Move plugins back into the tree (ts1 lirpA)” | 16:17 |
| shivharis | what is ts1 lirpA? | 16:17 |
| rkukura | shivharis: what day is today? | 16:18 |
| rcurran | read it backwards | 16:18 |
| sadasu | rkukura: April 1st | 16:18 |
| shivharis | oops | 16:18 |
| rkukura | Anyway, do we think discussion of next steps for ML2 driver decomposition would be useful at the summit? | 16:19 |
| shivharis | yes | 16:19 |
| shivharis | since we had an issue of how much to leave behind in the shim | 16:19 |
| shivharis | there were different opinions - we should sort that out | 16:19 |
| rkukura | OK, who wants to take that action? | 16:19 |
| shivharis | i'll take it on | 16:20 |
| rkukura | #action shivharis to add decomp next steps to summit etherpaf | 16:20 |
| rkukura | pad | 16:20 |
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| rkukura | Anything else on action items? | 16:20 |
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| rkukura | #topic ML2 Driver decomposition | 16:21 |
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| rkukura | Anything new on this, other than that we should have a design summit session on next steps? | 16:21 |
| rkukura | guess not… | 16:22 |
| rkukura | #topic ML2 Sync and error handling | 16:22 |
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| rkukura | manishg still isn’t here, so I’m not sure we’ll make much progress on this. | 16:22 |
| sadasu | is this a topic for a design session during the summit? | 16:23 |
| rkukura | #action manishg to document sync and error handling discussion points (carried over from last week) | 16:23 |
| rkukura | sadasu: I think we need a design summit session on this | 16:23 |
| rkukura | Anyone want to add that, or should I? | 16:24 |
| shivharis | sadasu: i think it should be a topic for the summit (are we collecting ML2 summit topics somewhere?) | 16:24 |
| shivharis | rkukura: link? | 16:24 |
| rkukura | shivharis: I think we should add ML2 topics to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-neutron-summit-topics, which we touched on during the announcements before you jointed | 16:24 |
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| sadasu | I still have questions about why the detection of being out of sync and mitigation cannot be handled within each driver | 16:25 |
| shivharis | rkukura: thanks | 16:25 |
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| sadasu | yes, a design session on this will help | 16:25 |
| rkukura | sadasu: So do I, but I think we at least need some facility to expose the sync state via the API | 16:25 |
| rkukura | #action rkukura to add ML2 sync and error handling to summit topic etherpad | 16:26 |
| sadasu | rkukura: yes | 16:26 |
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| rkukura | I’d really like us to try to make some progress on this between kilo release and the summit | 16:27 |
| sadasu | rkukura: +1 | 16:27 |
| rkukura | We were talking about scheduling a meeting on it once manishg documented the discussion points, weren’t we? | 16:27 |
| shivharis | rkukura: +1 | 16:27 |
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| rkukura | Or we can dedicate one or more of these meetings to it | 16:28 |
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| shivharis | actually last time we seem to be going all over the place | 16:28 |
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| shivharis | maybe next meeting discuss this exclusively | 16:28 |
| shivharis | other topics can have a very short time allocated | 16:29 |
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| rkukura | shivharis: I’m wondering if people will be able to prepare sufficiently just before RC1, or if we should do it in two weeks | 16:30 |
| rkukura | I know I need to spend some time on it | 16:30 |
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| rkukura | Do others feel they’ll be ready next week, asssuming manishg is available? | 16:31 |
| shivharis | rkukura: i am open the anything that will atleast help us sort the high level requirement, which i feel still needs work | 16:31 |
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| sadasu | rkukura: +1 | 16:32 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev has some valid use cases that need to be addressed, API needs to be defined | 16:32 |
| shivharis | rkukura: do you want to postpone to week after? | 16:32 |
| sadasu | can we start the documentation/discussion with use cases first? | 16:33 |
| rkukura | I can be ready to discuss high level requirements next week | 16:33 |
| rkukura | sadasu: we should have use cases to capture the requirements | 16:33 |
| shivharis | rkukura: for high level i think most of us will be able to do it (but we must have manishg) | 16:34 |
| shivharis | i'll try to ping him offline | 16:34 |
| rkukura | OK, lets get started on requirements next week unless manishg isn’t available. | 16:34 |
| shivharis | +1 | 16:34 |
| rkukura | Anything else on sync? | 16:34 |
| sadasu | should we start an etherpad for this so manishg can contribute during his timezone? | 16:35 |
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| rkukura | sadasu: +1 | 16:35 |
| rkukura | #topic Bugs | 16:36 |
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| shivharis | hi | 16:36 |
| rkukura | shivharis: … | 16:36 |
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| shivharis | thanks to yamahata the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1435216 is now marked invalid by the filer | 16:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1435216 in neutron "unit tests: KeyError: 'port_security' when building Debian package" [High,Invalid] - Assigned to yalei wang (yalei-wang) | 16:36 |
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| yamahata | shivharis: thanks for notification. I talked with him and reached to the conclusion. | 16:37 |
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| shivharis | DB migration bug that recently showed up is being addressed | 16:37 |
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| shivharis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1436674 | 16:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1436674 in neutron " "BOOLEAN" data type is not supported in db2, hits error during db migration" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Jun Xie (junxiebj) | 16:38 |
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| shivharis | everything else (high) pushed out to L1 | 16:38 |
| shivharis | or marked at a lower priority | 16:39 |
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| shivharis | I think we look good for Kilo at this time, hope it stays that way | 16:39 |
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| shivharis | Any questions regarding bugs | 16:39 |
| rkukura | I was going to say I was doubting the fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1367391 was going to be ready in time, and I see its been taking off kilo, which I think makes sense | 16:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1367391 in neutron "ML2 DVR port binding implementation unnecessarily duplicates schema and logic" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Robert Kukura (rkukura) | 16:40 |
| shivharis | rkukura; this bug can wait | 16:40 |
| shivharis | rkukura: this was lowered in priority as well | 16:41 |
| rkukura | But I may try to get a small related patch in. Part of the difficulty has been that significant DVR support is not covered by existing unit tests, so I may push a patch ot add the UTs, and fix a couple small issues they’ve turned up. | 16:41 |
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| shivharis | rkukura: since it is not deemed so critical - it may not be allowed in | 16:42 |
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| rkukura | shivharis: I would certainly not lower its priority, but I don’t think its realistic to get the full fix in kilo. This code has really become difficult to work on, which is why its taking so much effort. | 16:42 |
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| rkukura | The issues that have turned up would make ToR switch MDs unlikely to work with DVR. | 16:43 |
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| shivharis | rkukura: ok | 16:44 |
| rkukura | Seems I should file a separate bug for this, and we can see if it makes sense to try to fix for RC1, or maybe backport to kilo afterwards | 16:44 |
| shivharis | rkukura: ok, hoping for the best | 16:44 |
| rkukura | Anything else on bugs? | 16:44 |
| shivharis | i dont have anything else | 16:45 |
| rkukura | anyone else? | 16:45 |
| rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 16:45 |
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| shivharis | fingers crossed, hoping for no new bugs ... | 16:47 |
| rkukura | Anything to discuss, or are we done for today? | 16:47 |
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| rkukura | #endmeeting | 16:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 1 16:48:57 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-04-01-16.06.html | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-04-01-16.06.txt | 16:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-04-01-16.06.log.html | 16:49 |
| shivharis | rkukura: thanks | 16:49 |
| shivharis | bye all | 16:49 |
| yamahata | thanks bye | 16:49 |
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| Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 1 17:00:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:00 |
| Kiall | Hey folks - who's about? | 17:00 |
| timsim | o? | 17:00 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:00 |
| rrickard | o/ | 17:00 |
| elarson | o/ | 17:00 |
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| Kiall | So - Agenda is nice and simple, kilo rc1 status ;) | 17:01 |
| Kiall | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-kilo-rc1-reviews | 17:01 |
| Kiall | Any other reviews need to land before we cut rc1? | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | #topic Kilo Release Status | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | Whoops.. Forgot ^ ;) | 17:01 |
| mugsie | not that I can see | 17:01 |
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| * elarson is fine pushing the designate emacs client to liberty | 17:02 | |
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| timsim | lolol | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | lol - better be an April 1st joke ;) | 17:02 |
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| timsim | elarson never jokes about emacs | 17:02 |
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| elarson | uh... yeah... just kidding? april fools? | 17:02 |
| Kiall | lol.. sure | 17:02 |
| Kiall | Anyway - Okay, let's move to... | 17:03 |
| Kiall | #link https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/kilo-rc1 | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | Status is looking petty good, 3 in progress where 2 of those reviews should fix in. | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | Any takers on the last couple of open issues? | 17:04 |
| mugsie | i can take #1413472 | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | APIv1 slowness? | 17:04 |
| Kiall | k | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | Endere isn't about, I think he's looking at bug 1433650 | 17:05 |
| openstack | bug 1433650 in Designate "Floating IP Reverse DNS API cannot query neutron using passed through credentials" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1433650 - Assigned to Endre Karlson (endre-karlson) | 17:05 |
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| Kiall | So - Any takers on bug 1437699 ? :) | 17:06 |
| openstack | bug 1437699 in Designate "mDNS should Handle Bad File Descriptor" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1437699 | 17:06 |
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| timsim | Doesn't look like it :P | 17:06 |
| Kiall | Nobody? | 17:06 |
| Kiall | Okay, I'll take it ;) | 17:06 |
| rrickard | i can look if nobody else wants it. | 17:07 |
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| elarson | yeah, I don't mind taking a look, I'm just not sure how much time I'll have :( | 17:07 |
| Kiall | rrickard: cool, if you can get to it that'd be great :) | 17:07 |
| rrickard | i'll take it then. | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | The last docs one has no rush for rc1, so can stay unassigned for now. | 17:08 |
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| Kiall | Okay - So, How are people feeling about rc1? Have people found issues missing off that list etc? | 17:08 |
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| Kiall | I spotted this one i need to revival yesterday - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142505/ | 17:09 |
| Kiall | and, wanted to discuss the default periodic_sync/recovery config values.. | 17:09 |
| timsim | That thing we talked about getting some of the update logic out of the pool manager and into the backends maybe? | 17:09 |
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| Kiall | timsim: Yea, assuming we can keep the change small enough | 17:10 |
| timsim | Yeah, I don't think that has to get in. | 17:10 |
| timsim | Other than that, test test test | 17:10 |
| Kiall | Yep - Okay .. So https://github.com/openstack/designate/blob/master/designate/pool_manager/__init__.py | 17:11 |
| Kiall | The default options in there, I'm nearly certain we need to change them :) | 17:11 |
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| Kiall | periodic-recovery-interval = 120 seconds | 17:11 |
| Kiall | periodic-sync-interval = 300 seconds | 17:11 |
| Kiall | periodic-sync-seconds = None (i.e. everything) | 17:11 |
| Kiall | That last one has me the most concerned. | 17:11 |
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| Kiall | every 300 seconds we're sending a SOA/NOTIFY to every nameserver for every zone.. Which is quite a number of queries every 5 mins ;) | 17:12 |
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| Kiall | Anyone have throughts on "safer" defaults we can choose? i.e. keeping the 99% of recovery, without causing excessive load | 17:12 |
| Kiall | Feel like I'm on my own today :D | 17:13 |
| timsim | Maybe only zones that have changed in the last 24 hours? | 17:13 |
| rrickard | testing has shown the values to be too frequent? | 17:13 |
| timsim | And do the sync every ten minutes, or thirty? | 17:14 |
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| Kiall | rrickard: Yea, I've noticed quite some number of queries with only a small number of domains | 17:14 |
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| timsim | I think we talked internally about Syncing every hour for everything in the last 24 hours at some point. Don't know how reasonable that is now. | 17:15 |
| timsim | I feel like the sync probably needs to run more often than that. | 17:15 |
| jbratton | not sure how complicated it would be, but what about using the refresh/retry of the zone SOA | 17:15 |
| jbratton | that's sort of the reason for it existing.. at least in the other direction | 17:15 |
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| rrickard | jbratton: we had discussed that at one time. | 17:16 |
| Kiall | jbratton: possibly, that gives some flexability too (some zones can be re-checked more often etc).. But implementing that will be too big a change at this point | 17:16 |
| timsim | You could vaguely replicate that with a 1 or 2 hour interval, and sync everything. | 17:17 |
| jbratton | yeah, that flexibility is what I liked, but I completely get that's a fairly big change | 17:17 |
| Kiall | timsim - 30 mins + 24 hours == 48 sync's per changed domain, which is a good # less than we do today.. | 17:17 |
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| Kiall | Which, I think is reasonanle.. the average designate deploy will be a small # of zones, service providers like rax/hp will tune these... | 17:18 |
| Kiall | reasonable* | 17:18 |
| timsim | Everyone will have to tune that for their setup a little bit, but for small setups that seems totally reasonable, maybe even a little overkill. | 17:18 |
| mugsie | 30mins + 12 hours maybe ? | 17:19 |
| Kiall | Yea, my thinking is the stock config should just work and "idle" along for small setups, bigger setups need more TLC when standing them up | 17:19 |
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| Kiall | Say - 500 zones churn each day with 30+24, 24k SOA/NOTIFY's a day * the number of nameservers | 17:20 |
| Kiall | That seems high when you work it out ;) | 17:20 |
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| mugsie | i think we can all agree that on 30mins ? | 17:21 |
| mugsie | so, the question is 6/12/24hr | 17:21 |
| Kiall | 30+12 = 12k * # of nameservers | 17:22 |
| Kiall | 30+6 = 6x * # of nameservers | 17:22 |
| mugsie | or 1/3/6/12/24/48/96 :P | 17:22 |
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| Kiall | Okay - From the numbers I like 30+6 as the default, low enough that it won't scare people, high enough it should still catch zones whch failed to AXFR/miss NOTIFIES etc | 17:23 |
| mugsie | ++ | 17:23 |
| timsim | I'm cool with that. | 17:24 |
| rrickard | seems reasonable. +1 | 17:24 |
| Kiall | Sorted, releasing with periodic-sync-seconds = None (i.e. everything) scared me ;) | 17:24 |
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| Kiall | Beyond that, the open bugs, the etherpad reviews, and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142505/ - are we all thingking "Good to release?" | 17:25 |
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| Kiall | thinking* | 17:25 |
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| rrickard | how much testing have we done? | 17:26 |
| mugsie | not much yet - but we still have some time to hammer it between RC1 and K-Final | 17:26 |
| rrickard | okay. i would love to share my experiences with Icehouse and Juno once the pain wears off... | 17:26 |
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| timsim | So we release K1, test, fix anything we find, same for a couple more iterations, and then K-Final, right? | 17:27 |
| timsim | s/K1/rc1 | 17:27 |
| Kiall | timsim: exactly | 17:27 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:28 |
| mugsie | we should not tag rc-1 if we know of any blockers | 17:28 |
| Kiall | re testing, we've done a good bit of scale tests between endre / timsim / myself, myself and mugsie will be setting up a soak env today/tommow | 17:28 |
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| * mugsie is just waiting on credentials ;) | 17:29 | |
| timsim | Yeah, I haven't given the latest changes a good hammering. Definitely want to do that. | 17:29 |
| Kiall | timsim: yep, that's the plan for the next 3-4 weeks or so | 17:30 |
| timsim | Cool. | 17:30 |
| Kiall | (Release is April 30) | 17:30 |
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| Kiall | Okay, we can call it done re kilo status for today | 17:31 |
| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:31 |
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| Kiall | rrickard: http://sonar.designate-ci.com/dashboard/index/openstack:designate <-- I know you'll like this, still WIP. | 17:32 |
| johnbelamaric1 | hi Kiall - i see the pool targets has merged - so that is what I need to do the infoblox backend, correct? | 17:32 |
| rrickard | kiall: cool. i'll take a look. | 17:32 |
| mugsie | yeah, was going to ask rrickard for the config they use in ebay/paypal for sonar | 17:32 |
| rrickard | mugsie: i'll get that for you. | 17:32 |
| mugsie | cool, thanks :) | 17:33 |
| Kiall | johnbelamaric1: It was the blocker, and should enable a driver to be written but I was hoping to get more done to leave much less code in the driver itself :( | 17:33 |
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| rrickard | we are still not live on designate. but getting close. i apologize for my absence, but rolling out designate has been my top priority. | 17:33 |
| johnbelamaric1 | kiall: ok. as far as migrating our "old style" driver to the latest code, any pitfalls or hints? | 17:34 |
| mugsie | rrickard: np - it happens | 17:34 |
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| mugsie | damn employeers trying to get thier moneys worth from us :D | 17:34 |
| Kiall | rrickard: yep, I know the feeling.. Open Source time vs Company Time.. Balance can be hard to find ;) | 17:34 |
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| Kiall | johnbelamaric1: I've nothing written up yet - getting all the various issues resolved has taken pretty much all my time :( | 17:35 |
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| johnbelamaric1 | kiall - ok, no problem. I can just figure it out :). If i get this done, is there any chance of it shipping in Kilo - when do I need it by if that is possible? Assuming little to no changes outside of our specific driver code | 17:36 |
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| elarson | would anyone be interested in getting a dev env set up on os x doc? | 17:37 |
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| Kiall | johnbelamaric1: Letting anything more land in Kilo will result in a certain Release Manager shouting very loud at me, we're already techically well past the feature freeze :( | 17:38 |
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| johnbelamaric1 | kiall - Ok. I can still get it working with the Kilo base and just put it on github | 17:38 |
| johnbelamaric1 | and land it in L-1 | 17:38 |
| Kiall | johnbelamaric1: but, getting it in-tree isn't the only way to get it "into kilo".. e.g. at HP we've had an Akamai driver out of tree for ages - since the backends are plugins, they can live anywhere.. and yes, L will open for new feature sonce we cut rc1 | 17:38 |
| johnbelamaric1 | kiall: ok, that works. thanks | 17:39 |
| Kiall | will open for new features once we cut rc1* | 17:39 |
| Kiall | My head is so not working right today, can't type, thinking @ about 1mph etc -_- | 17:39 |
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| Kiall | elarson: re OS X - Sure! Lots of OpenStack devs seems to be OS X folks, so adding that would be great :) | 17:40 |
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| elarson | Kiall: cool, I'll compile my notes | 17:40 |
| Kiall | Excellent :) | 17:40 |
| Kiall | Okay - Anything else before we call it a day? | 17:40 |
| Kiall | (and don't forget to keep and eye on + review these pls - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-kilo-rc1-reviews ;)) | 17:41 |
| mugsie | nothing from mwe | 17:41 |
| timsim | nor i | 17:41 |
| elarson | I'm is holding onto the emacs designate client until liberty so I'm good ;) | 17:42 |
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| Kiall | elarson: we'll see if your still suggesting that tomorrow, April 2nd ;) | 17:42 |
| elarson | :) | 17:42 |
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| Kiall | Okay - Thanks guys :) Hoepfully we can get rc1 out the door before the end of the week :D | 17:42 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 1 17:43:16 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-04-01-17.00.html | 17:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-04-01-17.00.txt | 17:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-04-01-17.00.log.html | 17:43 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 1 18:00:54 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
| mvandijk | o/ | 18:01 |
| vkmc | o/ | 18:01 |
| georgelorch | o/ | 18:01 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:01 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | Agenda at: | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:02 |
| amrith | ./ | 18:02 |
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| SlickNik | Okay let's get started | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | #topic Trove Pulse Update | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update | 18:03 |
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| amrith | neat! | 18:04 |
| edmondk | o/ | 18:04 |
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| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:04 |
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| SlickNik | After the feature freeze last week, it looks like we've dropped back to our usual review rate.. | 18:05 |
| SlickNik | (~ 1xx per week) | 18:05 |
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| SlickNik | Interesting to note that we have a lot more patchsets coming in this week for bugfixes. | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | Which is awesome to see. | 18:06 |
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| sushilkm | its still good ... considering the last week as the feature freeze and there were many reviews regarding that | 18:06 |
| sushilkm | 100+ reviews is good going | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | sushilkm: definitely, it's something I expected. | 18:06 |
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| SlickNik | Still, good momentum. :) | 18:07 |
| sushilkm | cool ... so reviewers meeting expectations :) | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | So good work on reviews and bugfixes all! | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | #Topic Open Discussion | 18:08 |
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| SlickNik | Light agenda today :) | 18:08 |
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| amrith | ./ | 18:08 |
| SlickNik | I have one topic for Open Discussion as well. | 18:09 |
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| SlickNik | amrith — will let you go first. | 18:09 |
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| amrith | two things, ... who's likely to be at Percona Live (two weeks from now)? | 18:09 |
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| amrith | would it make sense to get together there and hash through some topics if we're all in the 'hood | 18:10 |
| amrith | that's it | 18:10 |
| georgelorch | me | 18:10 |
| SlickNik | amrith: Andy, Vipul and I | 18:10 |
| amrith | you guys presenting? | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | Yes | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | A couple of talks. | 18:11 |
| amrith | nice! | 18:11 |
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| amrith | we have a tutorial and a couple of talks. also some time in our booth. but if there's time to get together and meet that may be a good thing to do and leverage the fact that we're in one place. | 18:12 |
| amrith | or we can just hang out and drink beer ;) | 18:12 |
| georgelorch | +! | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | We can plan to get together once we're there. I'll get an email going. | 18:12 |
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| SlickNik | So the topic I had was around the Vancouver Summit. | 18:13 |
| georgelorch | SlickNik, Percona has some meeting rooms upstairs on the 2nd floor, if there is a need I may be able to get one for an hour or more | 18:13 |
| amrith | cool | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | georgelorch: Awesome — we can decide via email if we'll need it. | 18:15 |
| georgelorch | ack, or the bar is also a great place to meet as well :) | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | I'm still waiting to hear back from ttx regarding the actual number of slots we'll have and the timing. | 18:15 |
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| amrith | ./ | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | I will get an etherpad going this week for proposals for the design summit sessions. | 18:16 |
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| SlickNik | If we can get ideas for them on the etherpad before next week, then we can discuss the sessions / proposals at next week's meeting. | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | amrith, question? | 18:17 |
| amrith | yes, do we (you) have any say on the timing of the sessions? | 18:18 |
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| amrith | I'd hate to have ours be all on Friday at 3pm or something like that. | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | So Friday is the contributors meetup — so they won't be any sessions on that day. | 18:19 |
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| SlickNik | Sessions would be on Wed / Thu and we can work out timings with ttx if a slot doesn't work for us. | 18:20 |
| amrith | ok, thx | 18:20 |
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| SlickNik | Okay, that's all I had. | 18:22 |
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| SlickNik | Any other items for open discussion? | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | . | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 1 18:23:43 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-04-01-18.00.html | 18:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-04-01-18.00.txt | 18:23 |
| amrith | thx SlickNik | 18:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-04-01-18.00.log.html | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | Thanks all! | 18:23 |
| vkmc | thx! | 18:24 |
| sushilkm | that was a quick one | 18:24 |
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| SlickNik | We get some time back this week! Awesome :) | 18:24 |
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| sgordon | #startmeeting | 19:00 |
| openstack | sgordon: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 19:00 |
| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 1 19:00:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 19:00 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 19:00 |
| sgordon | #topic roll call | 19:00 |
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| aveiga | hello | 19:00 |
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| DaSchab | hi | 19:00 |
| ralfT | hi | 19:00 |
| sgordon | hopefully didn't throw too many people for a curveball with the meeting time | 19:00 |
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| sgordon | #topic AIs from last week | 19:01 |
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| sgordon | ok we had kind of a laundry list of things here | 19:01 |
| sgordon | im going to start with the ones where i found something happened and get to the others ;) | 19:02 |
| sgordon | #info mkoderer and/or vks were to convert service chaining use case to RST | 19:02 |
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| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169201/ | 19:02 |
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| sgordon | actually submitted by ralfT in the end :) | 19:02 |
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| sgordon | #info sgordon was to add user stories/personas section to the template | 19:03 |
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| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169871/ | 19:04 |
| sgordon | that covers only the user story aspect | 19:04 |
| DaSchab | I've added a comment on <reason> | 19:04 |
| sgordon | personas i had somewhat of an epiphany on | 19:04 |
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| sgordon | in that there is already an openstack personas effort | 19:04 |
| sgordon | i am wondering if we shouldnt just add needed personas to that and reference as needed | 19:04 |
| sgordon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Personas | 19:05 |
| DaSchab | makes sense | 19:05 |
| DaSchab | +1 | 19:05 |
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| sgordon | #info Feed personas to existing personas effort as/when needed | 19:05 |
| sgordon | i see dcw snuck in :) | 19:06 |
| sgordon | #info dcw was to draft SIP load-balancing use-case for wiki/etherpad initially, will need assistance with git submission | 19:06 |
| sgordon | dcw, were you able to make any progress with this or need assistance? | 19:06 |
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| dcw | i did not have a chance to look into this yet | 19:06 |
| dcw | will make a go of it on friday | 19:07 |
| sgordon | ok np, i will just carry it over | 19:07 |
| dcw | if i get stuck will let you know | 19:07 |
| sgordon | #action dcw to draft SIP load-balancing use-case for wiki/etherpad initially, will need assistance with git submission | 19:07 |
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| sgordon | #action sgordon to convert "access to physical network resources" to RST | 19:08 |
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| * sgordon was naughty and did not complete his homework ^ | 19:08 | |
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| DaSchab | no problem. as I told you.. may colleague will do it. | 19:08 |
| sgordon | #action cloudon to convert SBC to RST | 19:08 |
| sgordon | cant see cloudon this week so carrying that over as well | 19:08 |
| DaSchab | he is the author of the use case | 19:08 |
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| sgordon | and same with this one: | 19:08 |
| sgordon | #action matrohon to convert VPN Instantiation to RST | 19:09 |
| sgordon | so still a fair bit of conversion to do | 19:09 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:stackforge/telcowg-usecases+status:open,n,z | 19:09 |
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| sgordon | at the moment there are the four open reviews, one of which is just the template update i linked earlier | 19:09 |
| sgordon | i need to update the vIMS submission to reflect feedback | 19:09 |
| sgordon | i guess my question to the group having worked a few into the system now is do we think the template/process is ok? | 19:10 |
| sgordon | (so far at least) | 19:10 |
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| sgordon | i have had positive feedback in some other circles like the win the enterprise group and opnfv with regards to potentially picking up a similar format | 19:10 |
| sgordon | but still suspect we can fine tune | 19:11 |
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| DaSchab | its good for review and minor comments, but how should we deal when a discussion comes up? | 19:11 |
| DaSchab | mailing list or irc? | 19:12 |
| sgordon | now that the service chaining submission is up i bet we're about to find out | 19:12 |
| sgordon | i suspect mailing list | 19:12 |
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| sgordon | given the diverse nature of the group | 19:12 |
| aveiga | DaSchab: likely both, but better to use the ML | 19:12 |
| sgordon | and also that some will require broader feedback | 19:12 |
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| ralfT | mail is good to reach all people | 19:13 |
| sgordon | e.g. i could see discussion's coming up about how a given use case does or doesnt intersect with existing functionality etc | 19:13 |
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| sgordon | irc is good for the smaller stuff | 19:13 |
| aveiga | sgordon: that's the point, though. gaps don't mean complete holes. Sometimes there's overlap | 19:13 |
| sgordon | sure | 19:13 |
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| sgordon | just in terms of i dont claim to be a heat expert, for example | 19:14 |
| sgordon | and im not sure anyone else in the group necessarily is either | 19:14 |
| aveiga | yea, we're going to need to solicit larger feedback for many of these | 19:14 |
| sgordon | +1 | 19:14 |
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| sgordon | that is where the M/L is definitely the right venue | 19:14 |
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| [c]afeine | How can one become an *excellent* progrmmer? (advices). | 19:15 |
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| dcw | there's no mention of a ML on the wiki | 19:16 |
| sgordon | dcw, there is no special ML | 19:16 |
| sgordon | openstack-dev and openstack-operators | 19:16 |
| aveiga | dcw: we'll need to tag the topic with perceived relevant labels | 19:16 |
| aveiga | i.e. [heat][neutron][nova] | 19:16 |
| dcw | understood | 19:17 |
| aveiga | though some might just be [all] | 19:17 |
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| sgordon | i will update the page to make that clearer | 19:17 |
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| sgordon | #action sgordon to update wiki to make IRC/ML locations clear | 19:18 |
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| sgordon | DaSchab, did we answer your question | 19:19 |
| sgordon | or just add confusion :) | 19:19 |
| DaSchab | everything is clear so far | 19:20 |
| ralfT | a few hints will help... | 19:20 |
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| sgordon | ralfT, i think in many cases it's easier to ask as we go | 19:21 |
| sgordon | there are no stupid questions etc. :) | 19:22 |
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| ralfT | yes ;-) | 19:23 |
| sgordon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TelcoWorkingGroup#Communication | 19:23 |
| sgordon | dcw, ^ | 19:23 |
| sgordon | hopefully that helps | 19:23 |
| dcw | wow, realtime updates | 19:23 |
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| ralfT | +1 | 19:24 |
| sgordon | i was actually surprised we didnt have the irc bit there | 19:24 |
| sgordon | must have lost it in one of the page restructures | 19:24 |
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| DaSchab | sgordon: maybe we should decide to use [Telco] or [NFV] | 19:25 |
| sgordon | DaSchab, yeahhhh | 19:25 |
| sgordon | i have been using both since we started off with NFV | 19:25 |
| DaSchab | me too | 19:25 |
| sgordon | we could also make it more explicitly [telcowg] | 19:25 |
| sgordon | to align with what we are trying to do with everything else | 19:26 |
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| DaSchab | +1 | 19:26 |
| sgordon | i think to have it formally defined as a tag in mailman i have to ask infra | 19:26 |
| sgordon | but basically then i think i just send an email with some notice and we stop using the old tags | 19:26 |
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| ralfT | my preference is [telcowg] | 19:27 |
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| sgordon | ok | 19:29 |
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| sgordon | #action sgordon to work out what to do to move to using telcowg ML tag | 19:29 |
| sgordon | does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss? | 19:29 |
| sgordon | thanks all for attending bytw | 19:29 |
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| sgordon | much better attendance than we were getting at 2200 UTC | 19:29 |
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| aveiga | sgordon: is it time to start discussing agendas for Vancouver? | 19:30 |
| sgordon | yeS! | 19:31 |
| ralfT | yes | 19:31 |
| sgordon | good reminder | 19:31 |
| aveiga | yeah, it's coming up | 19:31 |
| sgordon | now i just need to find the link again | 19:31 |
| sgordon | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-March/006607.html | 19:31 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-ops-meetup | 19:31 |
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| sgordon | so telco working group is already suggested as a working session | 19:32 |
| sgordon | the key to acceptance will be coming up with a defined agenda for this session | 19:33 |
| sgordon | agenda is probably the wrong word | 19:33 |
| sgordon | but goals/aims | 19:33 |
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| aveiga | sgordon: I strongly suggest a more defined listing | 19:34 |
| sgordon | i strongly agree | 19:34 |
| sgordon | i didnt actually add that one unless i did it in one of my drunken stupors | 19:35 |
| sgordon | was holding off until had details (i did just put my name down the bottom to volunteer to facilitate tho) | 19:35 |
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| sgordon | #info Need a more defined listing for Vancouver summit session | 19:35 |
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| sgordon | i would also highlight given potential overlap that there is going to be some sort of OPNFV "thing" on the monday | 19:36 |
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| aveiga | I suppose I could volunteer as well | 19:36 |
| sgordon | i am told in the form of space in the design summit area | 19:36 |
| sgordon | i am still trying to establish what the goals for that will be | 19:36 |
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| sgordon | (this would be on the monday) | 19:36 |
| aveiga | sgordon: are you liaising for them? | 19:36 |
| aveiga | it would be good to get more concrete info | 19:37 |
| sgordon | yeah i actually have a call at 5 EDT to try sort through this | 19:37 |
| aveiga | ok, thanks | 19:37 |
| sgordon | i had a preliminary discussion with someone from the linux foundation about it a week or two ago to explain the context of why this group exists etc | 19:37 |
| aveiga | ouch | 19:37 |
| sgordon | and also explain some more general "how summit works" stuff | 19:37 |
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| sgordon | for now just highlighting it because it might be of interest | 19:38 |
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| sgordon | as i get more clarity will broadcast it | 19:38 |
| sgordon | i think we should focus on improving that ops summit proposal for next weeks meeting | 19:39 |
| aveiga | +1 | 19:39 |
| sgordon | not sure exactly what tom's timeline for sorting out scheduling is but he has a lot of submissions in there already | 19:39 |
| sgordon | i would also add if you plan on attending | 19:39 |
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| sgordon | please add your +1 so we have an idea of who is likely to attend | 19:40 |
| sgordon | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-ops-meetup <-- currently line 91 | 19:40 |
| sgordon | under "Session Ideas - Working Groups" | 19:40 |
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| ralfT | +1 | 19:40 |
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| sgordon | ok | 19:41 |
| sgordon | i think that is probably close to a wrap | 19:41 |
| sgordon | thanks aveiga for the reminder about summit | 19:41 |
| sgordon | i had been thinking about it when i saw the thread earlier but it slipped my mind | 19:42 |
| aveiga | np, thanks for running the meeting as usual, sgordon | 19:42 |
| sgordon | #endmeeting | 19:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 1 19:42:21 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-04-01-19.00.html | 19:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-04-01-19.00.txt | 19:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-04-01-19.00.log.html | 19:42 |
| DaSchab | thx, bye | 19:42 |
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| xgerman | #startmeeting(Octavia) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 1 20:00:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| xgerman | #chair blogan | 20:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: blogan xgerman | 20:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 20:00 |
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| jamiem | o/ | 20:01 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 20:02 |
| TrevorV_ | o/ | 20:02 |
| johnsom | Is everyone else at the tow yard? | 20:02 |
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| rm_you | o/ | 20:02 |
| xgerman | cool | 20:02 |
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| ptoohill | o/ | 20:03 |
| xgerman | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Meeting_2015-04-01 | 20:03 |
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| xgerman | I missed the Neutron meeting... dougwig any announcments? | 20:04 |
| dougwig | it was all about not merging code for a bit, which doesn't apply to us, and a few holy wars. | 20:04 |
| xgerman | ok, neat | 20:05 |
| xgerman | HP approved our travel: so ajmiller, johnsom + I will be in Vancouver | 20:05 |
| dougwig | great | 20:05 |
| johnsom | Alex and Susanne as well | 20:06 |
| xgerman | yeah, we need some great UDP loadbalancing session ;-) | 20:06 |
| xgerman | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brief progress reports (Meeting topic: (Octavia))" | 20:06 | |
| dougwig | what cool devices is HP giving away this year? | 20:06 |
| xgerman | marketing will figure that out ;-) | 20:06 |
| johnsom | I hope it isn't the flashlight with bottle opener inside. That was an odd one | 20:07 |
| johnsom | Controller worker has been all about rebase and cleaning up the unit tests. | 20:08 |
| xgerman | I rebased the Agent API Rest thing | 20:08 |
| ajmiller | I have been working on the devstack plugin for octavia. Will be posting another patch soon that creates screen windows, etc. It can't actually do anything until we have workers that run merged, but its a start. | 20:08 |
| johnsom | I hope to have the member and health monitor methods this week. Then I will come back through and update for the database changes | 20:08 |
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| mwang2 | we merged 2 patches, one is health manager , the other is the config drive | 20:09 |
| xgerman | yeah! | 20:10 |
| xgerman | we are still trying to wrap our head around blogan's neywork driver; need to figure out if it runs against our cloud... | 20:10 |
| xgerman | and I saw a new incarnation of the ssh driver, too :-) | 20:11 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I want to look at the update patchset and see if the section I had questions about were updated. | 20:11 |
| xgerman | ok, let's move on | 20:11 |
| TrevorV_ | Wait | 20:11 |
| xgerman | ok | 20:11 |
| TrevorV_ | What do you mean new incarcation? You mean patch-set? | 20:11 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:11 |
| TrevorV_ | yeah, I made a few changes, but some I don't think are required in ssh_driver | 20:12 |
| TrevorV_ | Maybe as its own review | 20:12 |
| xgerman | ok, cool | 20:12 |
| xgerman | #topic How should a Octavia dev/test environment look like - 2 | 20:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "How should a Octavia dev/test environment look like - 2 (Meeting topic: (Octavia))" | 20:12 | |
| xgerman | ajmiller started | 20:12 |
| xgerman | basically the Octavia things will run straight on the devstack | 20:12 |
| xgerman | ajmiller will explain it more ;-) | 20:13 |
| xgerman | it's what trove does | 20:13 |
| ajmiller | I just pushed a review that adds octavia devstack support. All it does right now is start bash shells where there will eventually be workers, but it starts the screens. | 20:14 |
| xgerman | should make demoing more awesome ;-) | 20:15 |
| ajmiller | There will be one screen session for each worker process (queue consumer, health monitor, houskeeping manager) | 20:15 |
| ajmiller | Just need to add the appropriate "enable_plugin" and "enable_service" entries to localrc. | 20:16 |
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| ajmiller | The review is | 20:16 |
| ajmiller | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167796/ | 20:16 |
| xgerman | ok, so comment there if the model isn't right... | 20:16 |
| ajmiller | Please add questions or comments to gerrit. | 20:16 |
| johnsom | Excellent! | 20:17 |
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| ptoohill | Awesome stuff guys! | 20:17 |
| ptoohill | getting close | 20:17 |
| xgerman | #topic Should Octavia use tempest or Rally for integration tests? | 20:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Should Octavia use tempest or Rally for integration tests? (Meeting topic: (Octavia))" | 20:18 | |
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| dougwig | isn't rally for load testing? | 20:18 |
| xgerman | I think it can do integration testing as well | 20:18 |
| TrevorV_ | Openstack says Tempest. | 20:18 |
| ptoohill | yea, im a bit confused by this topic. i may have missed this conversation | 20:19 |
| xgerman | there was no conversation... I just put it on the agenda as a question/esploration | 20:19 |
| rm_you | yeah i thought tempest was a given | 20:19 |
| ptoohill | Whats wrong with tempest? | 20:19 |
| rm_you | ptoohill: is that a loaded question? :P | 20:19 |
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| ptoohill | :P | 20:19 |
| rm_you | but yeah, no experience with rally, so couldn't say | 20:19 |
| rm_you | but i thought tempest was essentially required in Openstack | 20:20 |
| TrevorV_ | At least one test rm_you :) | 20:20 |
| rm_you | lol | 20:20 |
| ptoohill | Was there any specific reasoning some wanted to use Rally over Tempest? | 20:20 |
| xgerman | Rally has a better UI... | 20:21 |
| ptoohill | oh, ive never used tempest ui | 20:21 |
| dougwig | either one has a UI? | 20:21 |
| xgerman | they don;t have one ;-) | 20:21 |
| dougwig | huh. | 20:21 |
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| xgerman | Rally does | 20:21 |
| ptoohill | lol | 20:21 |
| dougwig | ha. | 20:21 |
| ptoohill | interesting | 20:22 |
| dougwig | the tempest UI is gerrit. | 20:22 |
| ptoohill | but if openstack req is for tempest is Rally really a consideration? | 20:22 |
| johnsom | Probably not | 20:22 |
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| dougwig | i don't think openstack requires tempest, just unit, api, functional, and integration testing. | 20:23 |
| ptoohill | ah | 20:23 |
| TrevorV_ | I wouldn't want to incorporate Rally if we still had to use tempest. Sounds like work duplication | 20:23 |
| ptoohill | if we were using them for different things/reasons i would be ok with having both. But if one can do everything we need and theres no specific requirement for which we use | 20:24 |
| johnsom | I liked that Rally gives timing information | 20:24 |
| johnsom | Not if the tempest stuff does or not | 20:24 |
| rm_you | hmm, i really thought tempest was required... though let me see if i can actually find that documented anywhere, and if not, then... whelp | 20:24 |
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| ptoohill | I would hate to run into new bugs/issues with a less used tool though. | 20:25 |
| dougwig | they're busy making tempest not central, so i can't imagine it's required. | 20:25 |
| xgerman | yeah, I think we can pick whatever we like most | 20:25 |
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| xgerman | but I also don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other -- just wanted us to start a conversation... | 20:25 |
| xgerman | (and I like shiny things ;-) | 20:26 |
| rm_you | lol checked https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Testing#Automated_Integration_Tests | 20:26 |
| rm_you | and it is literally just a link to tempest | 20:26 |
| ptoohill | i like shiny things that we dont have to fight with | 20:26 |
| TrevorV_ | xgerman I don't think enough of us have information about Rally to make that assessment | 20:27 |
| mwang2 | when you try to create or delete users through rally, it gives you something like this | 20:27 |
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| mwang2 | Total durations | 20:27 |
| rm_you | was hoping for more guidance <_< | 20:27 |
| mwang2 | Action Min (sec) Avg (sec) Max (sec) 90 percentile 95 percentile Success Count | 20:27 |
| mwang2 | keystone.create_user 0.256 0.382 0.554 0.456 0.494 100.0% 100 | 20:27 |
| mwang2 | keystone.delete_user 0.2 0.3 0.404 0.379 0.394 100.0% 100 | 20:27 |
| mwang2 | total 0.491 0.682 0.92 0.795 0.82 100.0% 100 | 20:27 |
| ptoohill | certainly useful | 20:27 |
| rm_you | xgerman: TrevorV_ +1, we need a bit to check it out before we can really discuss merits | 20:27 |
| dougwig | makes sense, since it came into life as a way to do benchmarking. | 20:27 |
| xgerman | rm_you, ptoohill: that's fine we are still a few weeks off from actually writing tests | 20:28 |
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| xgerman | #action smart up on Rally vs. tempest | 20:29 |
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| xgerman | #topic Open Discussion | 20:30 |
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| xgerman | I liked to talk about the config file sections for amphora driver | 20:30 |
| TrevorV_ | I have a small topic | 20:30 |
| TrevorV_ | Yeah ha ha ha xgerman that's what I was going to say ha ha | 20:30 |
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| xgerman | ok | 20:31 |
| TrevorV_ | blogan we could use your input for this as well :D | 20:31 |
| xgerman | well, there are two issues: | 20:31 |
| xgerman | 1) We shouldn't name it amphora ;-) | 20:31 |
| xgerman | 2) Should haproxy drivers share the same config | 20:31 |
| xgerman | section | 20:31 |
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| ptoohill | would we be running multiple drivers at the same time? | 20:32 |
| ptoohill | for #2 | 20:32 |
| xgerman | no, we decided one driver per control plane | 20:32 |
| ptoohill | If so, then we need a way to seperate them i think | 20:32 |
| ptoohill | then, why not? | 20:32 |
| xgerman | yeah, I wanted to keep the layout, etc. mostly the same and just have the transport (ssh/rest) be the variant | 20:33 |
| xgerman | (layout-disk layout on the amp) | 20:33 |
| ptoohill | ah, i see | 20:33 |
| xgerman | yeah, I can see if we start an nginx driver that there will be a different section | 20:34 |
| ptoohill | like sub sections of sorts? | 20:34 |
| xgerman | like nginx-amphora | 20:34 |
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| TrevorV_ | ptoohill xgerman blogan had a problem with all one section | 20:35 |
| xgerman | yeyep | 20:35 |
| TrevorV_ | He said it looked bad in documentation | 20:35 |
| TrevorV_ | I told him I thought just one section was most appropriate because any given running env would just leave out fields it doesn't need. | 20:35 |
| TrevorV_ | He said "it looks bad" | 20:35 |
| TrevorV_ | So idk | 20:35 |
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| TrevorV_ | Since he's not here to defend himself, ha ha | 20:35 |
| xgerman | we can always vote :-) | 20:36 |
| ptoohill | im sorta on the same page with you TrevorV | 20:36 |
| ptoohill | when you document for the driver, it would be docuemted in that section right? | 20:36 |
| ptoohill | yea, we may want to wait for blogan to examplain, im not sure what the problem is | 20:37 |
| xgerman | well, I am not opposed to have different sections if we have differend backends, e.g. nginx, haproxy, a10 | 20:37 |
| ptoohill | explain* | 20:37 |
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| xgerman | but I don't think we need two haproxy sections | 20:37 |
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| xgerman | dougwig, you likely run one a10 section? | 20:38 |
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| ptoohill | as long as we can document things clear i dont really have a problem with however this is done | 20:38 |
| dougwig | yep | 20:38 |
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| xgerman | #action xherman reach out to blogan to reach consensus | 20:39 |
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| xgerman | usually we are on the same page anyway (even without knowing it:-) | 20:39 |
| TrevorV_ | Yeah, get on that xherman | 20:39 |
| TrevorV_ | Pffff | 20:39 |
| ptoohill | :) | 20:40 |
| ptoohill | new guy | 20:40 |
| TrevorV_ | Best new guy | 20:40 |
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| johnsom | yeah, we hired pee-wee herman but he is hiding from the paparazzi | 20:41 |
| ptoohill | lol | 20:41 |
| TrevorV_ | Anything else for OD? | 20:41 |
| rm_you | yeah i think it can be handled in documentation | 20:41 |
| rm_you | similar stuff is done elsewhere | 20:41 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:42 |
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| xgerman | breaking news: OpenStack to be rewritten in Golang ;-) | 20:42 |
| rm_you | hehe | 20:42 |
| TrevorV_ | Pff xgerman not fallin for it. | 20:43 |
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| xgerman | #endmeeting | 20:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 1 20:44:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_octavia_/2015/_octavia_.2015-04-01-20.00.html | 20:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_octavia_/2015/_octavia_.2015-04-01-20.00.txt | 20:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_octavia_/2015/_octavia_.2015-04-01-20.00.log.html | 20:44 |
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| TrevorV_ | I'll update minutes xgerman | 20:44 |
| xgerman | thank a ton TrevorV | 20:45 |
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