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| Swami | banix: hi | 15:00 |
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| Swami | xuhanp: hi | 15:00 |
| banix | Swami: hi | 15:00 |
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| Swami | #startmeeting distributed_virtual_router | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 21 15:01:08 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 15:01 |
| Swami | Hi Folks, | 15:01 |
| Swami | hope everyone enjoyed the summit | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: hi | 15:01 |
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| Swami | viveknarasimhan: hi | 15:02 |
| Swami | #topic Agenda | 15:02 |
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| Swami | mrsmith: hi | 15:03 |
| Swami | betsy: hi | 15:03 |
| Swami | asomya: hi | 15:03 |
| viveknarasimhan | hi | 15:03 |
| Swami | DVR Progress Update | 15:03 |
| asomya | hello | 15:03 |
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| Swami | #topic DVR Progress Update | 15:03 |
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| mrsmith | Swami: hi | 15:03 |
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| Swami | Last week we were all in the summit and did not make any progress forward | 15:04 |
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| Swami | We are currently working on fixing a bulk of unit test issues that we are facing with the L3-plugin | 15:04 |
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| mrsmith | Swami: all? :) | 15:04 |
| Swami | Since it touches almost all the plugins we are addressing the unit test issues that might eat a lot of out time. | 15:05 |
| mrsmith | good progress was made by some on the icehouse-ga merge | 15:05 |
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| Swami | #topic DVR Extension for L3 | 15:05 |
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| Swami | Based on the summit discussion, I had a chat with Mark McClain and Kyle regarding the DB model design for the DVR | 15:06 |
| Swami | Instead of creating a separate attribute extension for the "Distributed" flag in "routers" table, we decided to move the "distributed" flag right into the "routers" table and keep this flag to "false" by default. | 15:07 |
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| Swami | That way we don't need to maintain this attribute going forward. | 15:08 |
| Swami | Based on the above mentioned change I will be refactoring the existing code and will be also addressing the Unit test cases for this. | 15:08 |
| Swami | Hope this is not an issue for any of the members here. | 15:09 |
| Swami | #topic L3 Update | 15:10 |
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| Swami | mrsmith: any updates | 15:10 |
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| mrsmith | just that we got basic E/W functionality working on icehouse-ga | 15:10 |
| mrsmith | n/s needs more refactoring (again) | 15:11 |
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| mrsmith | and as you say, we have a "debt" of unit tests failures that we need to refactor/fix | 15:11 |
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| Swami | mrsmith: Thanks for the update | 15:11 |
| Swami | #topic L2 Agent | 15:12 |
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| Swami | viveknarasimhan: do you have any updates | 15:12 |
| viveknarasimhan | hyes | 15:12 |
| viveknarasimhan | i posted the next patch set for L2 side upstream | 15:12 |
| viveknarasimhan | after addressing review comments | 15:12 |
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| viveknarasimhan | there are still a few pep8 issues given by tox which i am working on | 15:13 |
| viveknarasimhan | also i posted fix for l2-pop bug which got review approvals | 15:13 |
| viveknarasimhan | but vendor CI tests are failing | 15:13 |
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| viveknarasimhan | i need help from community on what will it take to merge that fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93624/ | 15:13 |
| viveknarasimhan | that fix is mandatory for basic l2-pop (and so for dvr as well) | 15:14 |
| Swami | viveknarasimhan: It has been already reviewed. | 15:14 |
| viveknarasimhan | yes | 15:15 |
| Swami | It should not be an issue to merge this fix into the Juno branch. | 15:15 |
| viveknarasimhan | core reviewer Edgar gave +2 | 15:15 |
| Swami | Yes vivek, send a mail to Kyle as well and tell him that you are waiting on this patch to be fixed since your work has a dependency. | 15:16 |
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| viveknarasimhan | ok i will do | 15:16 |
| viveknarasimhan | i sent two mails to maru newby, but didn't get response | 15:16 |
| viveknarasimhan | sent a message to him on IRC as well. | 15:17 |
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| Swami | viveknarasimhan: Everyone might be settling down after the summit, so wait for another couple of days. | 15:17 |
| Swami | You just need two cores approval, please send a message to Kyle and he will request the respective cores to take a look at it. | 15:17 |
| Swami | viveknarasimhan: thanks for the update. | 15:18 |
| Swami | #topic Services and DVR | 15:18 |
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| viveknarasimhan | ok thanks | 15:18 |
| Swami | Folks there were a couple of questions that came up in the Neutron design session for the DVR regarding the Services | 15:18 |
| Swami | So I would like to start a regular discussion on the services that would be affected by DVR and how to address those issues. | 15:19 |
| Swami | I have requested the respective Services team members to be part of the DVR team, so that they can provide their feedback and also participate in the addressing the issues. | 15:19 |
| Swami | #topic DVR and LoadBalancer | 15:20 |
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| Swami | I don't think today Loadbalancer service will be impacted by the DVR. | 15:21 |
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| Swami | It should work as expected, but we need to test and validate in a DVR scenario the loadbalancer is working as expected. | 15:21 |
| Swami | #topic DVR and Firewall as a Service | 15:21 |
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| Swami | There was some concerns that was raised about the FWaaS and its statefull behavior. | 15:22 |
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| Swami | Today when we router intra VM traffic the packet touches the router only on one side and the other side it does not touch the router. Since the FWaaS is applied in the interface ports of the router, there was some concerns raised. So both the teams should come up with a solution to resolve this issue. | 15:24 |
| Swami | We have spoken to "Yi' and he mentioned that he would be joining our team meeting to discuss and taking it forward. | 15:25 |
| yisun | Swami, I’m here | 15:25 |
| Swami | yisun: hi | 15:25 |
| viveknarasimhan | one second | 15:25 |
| viveknarasimhan | when we route the packet in DVR, the source router routes teh packet | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: That is a good and valid concern. With DVR, each direction of two-way traffic is routed on a different machine. | 15:26 |
| viveknarasimhan | so the fwaas rules must have hit both sides | 15:26 |
| viveknarasimhan | though each direction is routed on different machines, teh routers on the machines are the same | 15:26 |
| viveknarasimhan | and will hold the same fwaas rules | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | viveknarasimhan: The problem is not just that the rules must hit both sides. The problem is that the state needed for tracking established connections is not there. | 15:26 |
| viveknarasimhan | ok | 15:27 |
| viveknarasimhan | since the same router is distributed, the state disperses away onto the 2 routers based on direction of traffc. got it , thanks carl. | 15:28 |
| yisun | I was thinking to force traffic to FW before traffic hits the DVR | 15:28 |
| Swami | We had this discussion in the summit and Rajeev mentioned probably it would make sense to apply the firewall rules at the port where it is connected to the br-int. | 15:28 |
| Rajeev | One option is to look at the blueprint that implements security rules in OVS | 15:29 |
| Swami | yisun: yes that's what I mentioned. | 15:29 |
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| Rajeev | Similar to security rules, FW can also include a bridge | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | yisun: That is a possible solution but negates the advantages of DVR. Basically, it is saying that DVR and FWaaS are incompatible. That might be true for some implementations of FWaaS. | 15:29 |
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| viveknarasimhan | rajeev, won't performance be an issue | 15:31 |
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| viveknarasimhan | with introduction of bridges for fwaas on dvr? | 15:31 |
| Rajeev | The security rules BP folks analysis was no performance impact | 15:31 |
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| carl_baldwin | Rajeev: That solves a different problem. It doesn’t address the split state issue. | 15:32 |
| viveknarasimhan | the security rules BP folks said they don't have numbers yet | 15:32 |
| viveknarasimhan | that donesn't say there is no performance impact | 15:32 |
| * carl_baldwin has to take off now. Sorry about that. Email or catch him on IRC later. | 15:32 | |
| Swami | carl: thanks | 15:32 |
| yisun | Rejeev, that could be complicated when we start to introuduce zone | 15:33 |
| yisun | Zone is basically a groupd of ports on the router | 15:33 |
| Rajeev | Yisun: ports on the same subnet? | 15:34 |
| yisun | If we create a bridge outside, then we will not be able find right info to apply zone | 15:34 |
| yisun | Rajeev, you mean that we can apply zone on subnet directly? | 15:35 |
| Rajeev | Yisun: will need to understand a bit more about zones, | 15:35 |
| Swami | yisun: Probably for next it we can plan to address the different approaches for the FwaaS and walk through the Use cases and see how it would work that would be good. | 15:35 |
| Swami | Yisun: can you put together a doc or a wiki for different approaches to solve the state issue with the DVR | 15:36 |
| Swami | We can discuss it in the upcoming meetings. | 15:36 |
| yisun | Swami, I don’t think I have thought this through yet, may need more time | 15:37 |
| Rajeev | Yisun: feel free to get in touch | 15:37 |
| Swami | yisun: Ok, take your time, this is not required immediately but eventually we need to address this issue. | 15:37 |
| viveknarasimhan | rajeev | 15:37 |
| viveknarasimhan | yi | 15:37 |
| yisun | Swami, yes | 15:37 |
| Swami | ok. | 15:37 |
| yisun | Vivek, ya | 15:38 |
| viveknarasimhan | since br-int use of DVR today knows | 15:38 |
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| viveknarasimhan | if packet is routed or switched, | 15:38 |
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| viveknarasimhan | we can havea the rule redirect traffic to firewall if we detect traffic routed by dvr | 15:38 |
| viveknarasimhan | on both sides (ie., on both ends) | 15:38 |
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| yisun | Vivek, yes, that is what I meant by “force” traffic to FW | 15:39 |
| Swami | Then dvr should be aware of the FWaaS in all these cases. | 15:39 |
| viveknarasimhan | yes, we can force that | 15:39 |
| yisun | Based on the source MAC I gues | 15:39 |
| viveknarasimhan | we need to havea fwaasondvr driver | 15:39 |
| viveknarasimhan | separate, that will be configured in fwaas section .. | 15:39 |
| viveknarasimhan | in neutron config | 15:39 |
| Swami | viveknarasimhan: we need to think through all the scenarios. | 15:40 |
| viveknarasimhan | what i put over here is service chaining | 15:40 |
| viveknarasimhan | dvr routes packets, we detect them, chain such trafic to fwaas.. | 15:40 |
| yisun | Vivek, correct | 15:40 |
| Rajeev | yes | 15:40 |
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| Swami | Ok if you guys have any more thoughts on this, just try to document or put it into the Etherpad and we can discuss in the upcoming meetings. | 15:40 |
| viveknarasimhan | fwaas looks to the traffic and then figures out to drop /forward back to br-int | 15:40 |
| Rajeev | can also filter on ip addresses | 15:41 |
| viveknarasimhan | we can filter on l2 header, l3 header | 15:41 |
| viveknarasimhan | l4 headers as well | 15:41 |
| viveknarasimhan | with OVS 2.1 in plac | 15:41 |
| yisun | vivek and rejeev, let me take this to fwaas team andd discuss about if we should put subnet to zone | 15:41 |
| viveknarasimhan | thanks yi | 15:41 |
| Rajeev | sounds good | 15:42 |
| Swami | #action Yisun to take the FWaaS recommendations to the FWaaS team to work with the DVR | 15:42 |
| Swami | #topic VPNaaS and DVR | 15:42 |
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| Swami | We had a discussion with Nachi on the VPNaaS and its impact on the DVR | 15:42 |
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| Rajeev | Swami: what is the issue there ? | 15:44 |
| Swami | Based on the discussion when a VPNaaS is created and associated with the Router, if the router is DVR, based on the service type, if it is a singleton service, then this service namespace should be only created in the Service Node. | 15:44 |
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| Swami | Since we already have the SNAT service running on the Service Node, this should be accomplished in the Service Node. | 15:45 |
| Rajeev | does the VPN allow multiple internal subnets to outside connectivity? | 15:46 |
| Swami | I don't see any major issues other than refactoring the VPNaaS code to check the router type and based on the router type the scheduler should than decide to start the service in the right node. | 15:46 |
| Swami | yes it does. | 15:46 |
| Rajeev | So all the subnets attached to a router have access to VPN'ed network ? | 15:47 |
| Swami | Yes | 15:47 |
| Swami | #topic Tempest scenario tests | 15:47 |
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| pcm_ | Swami: I thought one could only specify one subnet on near end> | 15:48 |
| Rajeev | it should be then not too difficult to get VPN | 15:48 |
| Rajeev | Is there a doc one can point to on VPN? | 15:48 |
| Swami | pcm_: Nachi mentioned that it can support more than one | 15:49 |
| pcm_ | Swami: I thought multiple subnets can be specified for the peer end of the connection. | 15:49 |
| pcm_ | but not the local end. | 15:49 |
| Swami | pcm_: If you specify multiple subnets on the peer end, then it is equivalent to providing the VPN access to multiple subnets | 15:50 |
| Swami | I don't see any difference in there. | 15:50 |
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| pcm_ | Swami: OK | 15:50 |
| Rajeev | So on the near end it is one subnet only ? | 15:50 |
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| Swami | The reason for that is that on the "left side" it only accepts one "IP address" for the local ip | 15:51 |
| Swami | But you can still have multiple subnets that you can provide access to from the far end. | 15:51 |
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| pcm_ | Rajeev: When you configure the tunnel, you specify the far end public IP and peer-cidrs. | 15:51 |
| Rajeev | pcm_: sure | 15:52 |
| Swami | Each of the peer-cidrs is a subnet by itself. | 15:52 |
| Swami | Either left or right we have a list of "peer-cidrs' or subnets that we will be supporting. | 15:52 |
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| Rajeev | Swami: understand the peer-cidrs, what I want to know is can I have 3 local subnets talking to peer through the same VPN? | 15:53 |
| pcm_ | Rajeev: Swami: I may be wrong, but I thought it was one to many selection. | 15:54 |
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| Swami | pcm_: when you say "one" to many it is from single cloud site you can connect to multiple branches on the other side | 15:55 |
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| Swami | rajeev: your question is valid and I will confirm it. | 15:56 |
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| pcm_ | Swami: I mean I thought that you can go from one subnet on this cloud to 1+ subnets on another cloud. | 15:56 |
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| pcm_ | Did not think you could go from >1 subnet on this cloud to 1+ on the other cloud. | 15:57 |
| Swami | pcm_; rajeev: yes I can confirm it in the next meeting. | 15:58 |
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| Swami | rajeev: to your point if we only support one subnet on the left, then you don't see any issue with the DVR, am I right. | 15:58 |
| Rajeev | Swami: it can be simpler solution then | 15:59 |
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| Swami | rajeev: thanks. | 15:59 |
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| Swami | We are at the end of the hour right now. | 15:59 |
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| Rajeev | Swami _pcm: thanks for looking into it. | 15:59 |
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| Swami | Sorry the services topic took long. | 15:59 |
| Swami | I also wanted to have some discussion on the Tempest and scenario testing but next week we can take it up. | 16:00 |
| Sukhdev | Swami: time for ML2 meeting | 16:00 |
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| Swami | Thanks all | 16:00 |
| Swami | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 21 16:00:55 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-05-21-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-05-21-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-05-21-15.01.log.html | 16:01 |
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| Swami | bye | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello ml2'ers | 16:01 |
| rkukura | hi everyone! | 16:01 |
| trinaths | Hi all | 16:01 |
| banix | hi | 16:01 |
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| zzelle | Hi all | 16:01 |
| yamamoto | hi | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 21 16:02:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | Hi folks, I will be running the meeting today. Bob is here to help me out | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | By kind to Sukhdev ;) | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | Agenda is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_May_21.2C_2014 | 16:03 |
| rkukura | s/By/Be | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | Yes - listen to rkukura :-) | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | #info Announcements - | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | Mid-cycle code sprint scheduled July 9-11 | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-juno-mid-cycle-meeting | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | Please have a look and sign up - if you can help | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | there is a possibility that the changes may impact ML2 | 16:06 |
| rkukura | Focus is on nova parity I think, along with the core refactoring, which could have major implications for ML2 | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | #topic - Action Items from last week - none | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: I updated the agenda with 2, but they are both done | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: correct - so, be watchful | 16:07 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic ML2 design summit sessions post-mortem | 16:07 |
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| Sukhdev | Four etherpads capture the information - be sure to look through them | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | Any question or issue about the etherpads? | 16:09 |
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| yamamoto | are they supposed to be freezed? | 16:09 |
| rkukura | Any thoughts on overall ML2 sessions? Were they helpful? | 16:09 |
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| yamamoto | ie no more edits? | 16:09 |
| banix | yamahata_: i don’t think so; please add cooments; you can mark them appropriately | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | yamamoto: I do not believe they are frozen, feel free to comment | 16:10 |
| yamamoto | ok | 16:10 |
| banix | yamamoto: ^^^ | 16:10 |
| trinaths | doubt: will ML2 driver synchronization effect the Mechanism driver codebase too | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | Please update them as you feel appropriate | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | trinaths: At this point, I do not think so | 16:11 |
| shivharis | i think the ML2 sessions were very helpful. Folks were eager to know the future directions | 16:11 |
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| trinaths | okay.. its mentions as a BP in Juno Roadmap | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: I felt the same - but, we were rushed a bit ;-) | 16:11 |
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| shivharis | one confusion that occcured during the course of the summit regarding | 16:11 |
| shivharis | plugins being a shim layer to ODL like controllers | 16:12 |
| shivharis | I feel it is appropriate for Openstack to be a first class citizen even if | 16:12 |
| shivharis | there is not controller involved | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: yea, but, somebody corrected it | 16:12 |
| shivharis | the LLDP stuff brings about that | 16:12 |
| nlahouti | rkukura: it was helpfull. I wish there was more time and have session to discuss more details on each topics | 16:12 |
| shivharis | ML2 is the appropriate place for making it first class, even without ODL etc. | 16:13 |
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| shivharis | that all | 16:13 |
| trinaths | I haven't attended the live sessions.. will there be a oppurtunity to see the videos and presentations .. any link for the same.. | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | nlahouti: +1 I felt the same way | 16:13 |
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| yamamoto | my impression was time/room distribution was not ideal | 16:14 |
| banix | trinaths: only for thr general conference | 16:14 |
| rkukura | regarding it being rushed and needing more time for details, how can we improve that? | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | trinaths: Design sessions are not recorded | 16:14 |
| shivharis | the POD talks were very very helpful | 16:14 |
| banix | trinaths: the general conference sessions were recorded and are on youtube already | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: If we would have gotten an extra session, it would have helped to spread the topics a bit | 16:15 |
| rkukura | shivharis: yes, lots of good progress in the PODs (neutron kind of took over all the tables in the POD room at times) | 16:15 |
| trinaths | sukhdev: reg. Design sessions, where can i view ideas/presentations .. | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: Agreed. I loved the idea of Pods - in fact, we used them very effectively for ML2 discussions | 16:15 |
| banix | with the talk of having coding sessions next time or the one after, i wonder if we lose more slots to regular design sessions | 16:15 |
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| rkukura | So more session slots would help. Maybe we need to pick fewer proposals too? | 16:16 |
| banix | s/to regular/from regular/ | 16:16 |
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| Sukhdev | Any feedback about the PODs? | 16:16 |
| rkukura | Did the bundling of related proposals into sessions work, or did we need more time to really understand the individual proposals? | 16:16 |
| asadoughi | yes, i'd prefer if we discussed fewer topics at length then many with time constraints | 16:17 |
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| Sukhdev | trinaths: there is a link which lists all the sessions | 16:17 |
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| banix | sukhdev: PODs were good; need a better way for scheduling meetings there | 16:17 |
| asomya | Sukhdev: We need more tables for Neutron next time in the POD area :) | 16:17 |
| rkukura | asomya: +1 | 16:17 |
| shivharis | rkukura: bundling allowed more 'sessions', but the title of the session did not do justice | 16:17 |
| trinaths | Sukhdev: okay.. can you kindly share the link .. please | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | banix: correct | 16:17 |
| asomya | rkukura: The bundling worked but the title was a bit misleading | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | trinaths: I will look and send - does anyone have access to the link? | 16:18 |
| shivharis | banix: instead of coding, whiteboarding may help more, your opinion? | 16:18 |
| asadoughi | rkukura: 3 proposals in 40 min felt much too tight, no more than 2 in one session next time please | 16:18 |
| banix | trinaths: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Juno/Etherpads | 16:18 |
| rkukura | I think the bundling of the hierarchical networks session worked prerry well, but the information shating happened first in the POD, so we kind of had a plan by the time the session occurred | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | banix: Thanks | 16:18 |
| trinaths | banix: thanks a lot | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: we did good amount of whiteboarding in the pods | 16:19 |
| rkukura | Maybe its best to present the ideas in the session, then use the POD to collaborate on how they related, etc. | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: great idea... | 16:19 |
| nlahouti | rkukura: I think one way to do is to have people involved in the topic, dedicate their time in the POD area and have discussion. | 16:19 |
| asomya | rkukura: +1 | 16:20 |
| shivharis | sukhdev: yup, that was a great success | 16:20 |
| banix | with the general conference overlapping only 1 day with the design sessions in Paris we may have a bit more time organizing at the summit before the design sessions | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: communications about the PODs (and scheduling) can be improved in future | 16:20 |
| rkukura | One thing I don’t feel we came out of the summit with is a clear sense of what is realistically going to get done during Juno, and the priorities | 16:20 |
| shivharis | IMHO, whiteboarding in PODs, with any number of onlookers/interested folks | 16:20 |
| rkukura | marun and some others have been suggesting combining code sprints with the summit - maybe this whiteboarding is similar, where groups with a common interest whiteboard a design and start coding | 16:22 |
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| Sukhdev | This is all great feedback - we should use for next summit | 16:22 |
| banix | also send feedback to the foundation | 16:22 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: yes, whiteboarding, and coding can go hand in hand - if planned correctly | 16:23 |
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| Sukhdev | OK shall we move on? | 16:23 |
| nlahouti | that's correct. It has to be planed in advance. | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Bugs | 16:23 |
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| Sukhdev | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron?field.searchtext=ml2 | 16:24 |
| shivharis | sukhdev: i differ on that, sorry, usually coding needs more think time for good code | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: We used the same method during Montreal Tempest coding sprint, and it worked very well | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis; We used the white board to discuss the design, agreed to the plan and then divided the work and implemented it | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: In three days we were able to achieve a lot | 16:25 |
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| shivharis | sukhdev: ok, i missed that event. | 16:26 |
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| Sukhdev | Back to bugs - I see a lot of them accumulating | 16:26 |
| rkukura | So how should we as the ML2 subteam ensure we are making good progress squashing the bugs? | 16:26 |
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| rkukura | Do we need some triaging within the subteam prior to these meetings? | 16:27 |
| shivharis | first tag all bugs as ML2 | 16:27 |
| shivharis | all => all relevant | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: I believe these are all ML2 bugs | 16:28 |
| rkukura | Did someone at the summit volunteer to do initial triage/tagging of all neutron bugs? | 16:28 |
| shivharis | don't know, but i can take ownership of ML2 tagging | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | First, we need to ensure they all have an owner | 16:29 |
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| rkukura | they need tag and importance to be set, and if importance is high enough, they need owners | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: cool - thanks…I think they are already tagged, but, if you can scan through them | 16:30 |
| yamamoto | are md-specific bugs expected to be ml2-tagged? | 16:30 |
| rkukura | shivharis: Do you want to try to estimate importance as they show up, even if they are tagged to ml2 by someone else? | 16:30 |
| yamamoto | or is it for ml2 “core” part only? | 16:30 |
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| shivharis | rkukura: I can, but will need your help to some extent | 16:31 |
| rkukura | yamamoto: We’ve tended to use higher priority/importance for ml2 core than for vendor drivers | 16:31 |
| Sukhdev | yamamoto: yes they should be ml2 tagged | 16:31 |
| rkukura | So at these meetings, should we look for owners for medium and above importance bugs needing them? | 16:32 |
| shivharis | suggestion: steps: 1. tag+assign priority 2. search on tags and take ownership. 3. if there are leftovers, assign | 16:32 |
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| shivharis | rkukura: yes if high priority are left over we should discuss in IRC | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: sounds great….. | 16:33 |
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| rkukura | shivharis: As “ml2 bug czar”, would you be able to drive the bugs section of the agenda in future meetings, getting owners, making sure high importance stuff is making progress, etc? | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | #Action: shivharis to scan all the bugs and tag them and prioritize them | 16:33 |
| shivharis | Ok, i'll sign up | 16:34 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: cool - thanks | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | On to next topic | 16:34 |
| manishg | also, if some bugs aren't seeing action but are important they can be discussed here in the meeting to make sure some progress is made. | 16:34 |
| rkukura | Our only high importance bug right now, binding ports in transactions, will be back in review in the next day or so | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Spec Reviews | 16:35 |
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| Sukhdev | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-specs,n,z | 16:35 |
| rkukura | I made an attempt to list all the ML2-related specs in the agenda | 16:35 |
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| rkukura | There are 2 that have been merged, 14 in review, and at least one coming | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | I notice two are merged and others are in review | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura :-) | 16:36 |
| banix | working on the spec for sdn-ve mechanism driver; will update and remove workinprogress soon | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | We, as a team, should review them first before we ask the core reviewers | 16:37 |
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| rkukura | I’d be happy to by the “ml2 spec czar” and keep this organized for each meeting | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | We should have at least one +1 from our team before we ask the core's | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: that will be awesome!! | 16:37 |
| rkukura | Maybe even two +1s? | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: agreed | 16:38 |
| shivharis | 2 +1s, agreed | 16:38 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: well, the specs get submitted to gerrit and there is a chance others may review first | 16:38 |
| manishg | rkukura, Sukhdev - yeah, sounds like good idea for a couple of folks from subteam to first review and then ask core. | 16:38 |
| rkukura | I’d really appreciate input on whether this is the right set to track - are some not relevant? are some missing? | 16:38 |
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| rkukura | we’ve been kicking around the idea of having initial reviews within the subteam to improve scalabiltiy of the entire project - not wasting core reviewer’s time on stuff that isn’t very close to ready | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | banix: that is OK if others jump on it first - but, for all ML2 related specs, we should make sure somebody from our sub-team is on it as well | 16:39 |
| manishg | where's the list of specs you narrowed down rkukura? | 16:39 |
| banix | Sukhdev: makes sense | 16:40 |
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| rkukura | maybe next week we can make sure we’ve got at least two subteam reviewers for each spec | 16:40 |
| banix | manishg: on the agenda | 16:40 |
| rkukura | manishg: In the meeting agenda | 16:40 |
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| shivharis | rkukura: +1 | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: that sounds like a good idea, does everybody agree as well? | 16:41 |
| yamamoto | what’s an appropriate way to “tag” a spec as ml2-related? | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | yamamoto: good question - suggestions, ideas? | 16:41 |
| rkukura | yamamoto: I like having “ML2: …” as the first line of the commit message when its focus is on ML2 | 16:41 |
| trinaths | rkukura: +1 | 16:42 |
| rkukura | But something like the DVR spec impacts ML2, but isn’t owned by ML2, so won’t do this | 16:42 |
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| yamamoto | rkukura: +1 | 16:42 |
| zzelle | mention ML2 in the commit message ? | 16:43 |
| rkukura | There should be associated lauchpad BPs that can be tagged I think, right? | 16:43 |
| zzelle | so we can use message:ml2 as gerrit filter ? | 16:43 |
| shivharis | i think initial bug filer may not be sure where is belongs, so investigating the details can imply ML2 | 16:43 |
| rkukura | Maybe we still want to track things from lauchpad, and make sure these have links to the gerrit spec reviews | 16:43 |
| rkukura | One comment on some of the summit session etherpads is to “not bury this in ML2” | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: what did they mean or imply? | 16:44 |
| manishg | possible to have something in commit message like "impacts: ml2; api; etc" | 16:44 |
| manishg | this was for tagging the specs. but then we rely on commiter to do the right thing. same issue with other suggestion about commit message. | 16:45 |
| trinaths | in the subject have ml2-specs: <spec name> | 16:45 |
| shivharis | i am ok with ML2: ... as commit message | 16:46 |
| rkukura | Actually, I don’t see a way to tag BPs in launchpad | 16:46 |
| manishg | trinaths - this doesn't cover specs that involve ML2 but aren't only ML2. e.g. DVR. | 16:46 |
| shivharis | how about DVR,ML2: .... | 16:46 |
| trinaths | manishg: true. I mean it would be simple when we search gerrit for ml2-specs. | 16:47 |
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| rkukura | I’ll try to move the list from the agenda into an etherpad that we can use to pull together the links to the spec reviews, the launchpad BPs, and the subteam reviewers assigned to each | 16:47 |
| manishg | well, DVR will touch of lot of stuff. so the tag list could be long (if in subject) | 16:47 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: good idea | 16:47 |
| manishg | rkukura +1 | 16:47 |
| yamamoto | rkukura +1 | 16:47 |
| trinaths | rkukura +1 | 16:48 |
| banix | rkukura: that is a good idea | 16:48 |
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| shivharis | +1 | 16:48 |
| manishg | maintain a list of spec elwewhere. so someone should be paying attention to the specs and if there is ml2 involvment, add that to that list. | 16:48 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: you can give me a #action for that | 16:48 |
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| Sukhdev | #action: rkukura to move all the specs from Action item to an etherpad | 16:48 |
| rkukura | This will be the set of specs that touch ML2, not just ones focused on ML2 | 16:49 |
| shivharis | and add that etherpad link to Agenda | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: thanks | 16:49 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: s/Action/Agenda/ | 16:49 |
| rkukura | Ten minutes left | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | #action: rkukura to move all the specs from Agenda to an ehterpad | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Code Reviews | 16:50 |
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| trinaths | need spec reviews for my MD pending from Icehouse. | 16:50 |
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| Sukhdev | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron,n,z | 16:51 |
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| trinaths | i have code too in place for review. need help of the team for review. | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | trinaths: yours is in the list, right, we will get on to it | 16:52 |
| trinaths | sukhdev: okay.. | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | trinaths: I will look at it | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | Anything else? | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Open Discussion | 16:52 |
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| Sukhdev | Anything general? | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | we have 6 min. left | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | Looks like we have covered most of it :-) | 16:53 |
| banix | I think Sukhdev did a good job chairing the meeting! | 16:53 |
| rkukura | banix: +1 | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | banix: Thank you…you are so kind | 16:54 |
| shivharis | great summit, thanks sukhdev for organizing | 16:54 |
| trinaths | banix: true said.. | 16:54 |
| trinaths | +1 | 16:54 |
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| Sukhdev | You guys are very nice team members - hence, my job was easy - so, the credit goes to you | 16:54 |
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| yamamoto | what’s the next step for modular agent? | 16:54 |
| trinaths | :D | 16:54 |
| shivharis | I need help in becoming a power user of IRC, where to look for a tutorial? | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | banix: you want to take that? | 16:55 |
| banix | there have been a couple of people interested in this work; will send an email this week to get organized before we send an email to ML | 16:55 |
| manishg | yamamoto: modular L2 agent? is mohammad here? | 16:55 |
| banix | as we were asked to do in the design session | 16:55 |
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| banix | manishg: yes I am here | 16:56 |
| rkukura | yamamoto: No spec yet, so getting people to work on one or more specs would be the place to start once there is a plan | 16:56 |
| manishg | ah, didn't know your irc name! okay :) | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | #action: banix to send an email regarding ML2 Modular agent plan and seek interested parties | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | banix: I assigned you an action - hope you are OK | 16:56 |
| banix | Sukhdev: sounds good | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | Anything else? | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | We did well - we are right on time | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeering networking_ml2 | 16:57 |
| shivharis | thanks, bye all. | 16:57 |
| rkukura | Thanks Sukhdev, everyone! | 16:57 |
| trinaths | bye all | 16:57 |
| rkukura | bye | 16:57 |
| yamamoto | thanks | 16:57 |
| asomya | bye | 16:58 |
| banix | bye | 16:58 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 21 16:58:11 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-05-21-16.02.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-05-21-16.02.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-05-21-16.02.log.html | 16:58 |
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| Kiall | #startmeeting designate | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 21 17:00:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:00 |
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| Kiall | Hey guys - Who's about? | 17:00 |
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| rjrjr_ | here | 17:00 |
| vinod2 | here | 17:00 |
| eankutse | here | 17:00 |
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| Kiall | Cool - and I know mugsie will be here in 2 mins | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | Ah.. there he is ;) | 17:01 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:01 |
| hvprash | hi, this is my first meeting and new to the project | 17:01 |
| bbaby | me too. | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | So first off - for those people lurking who were not at the summit, welcome to our new core team member vinod2 :) | 17:01 |
| eankutse | congrats vinod! | 17:02 |
| * mugsie tips his hat to vinod2 | 17:02 | |
| jmcbride | welcome hvprash and bbaby! | 17:02 |
| Kiall | Cool! Great to see new faces getting involved, we're you guys at the summit? | 17:02 |
| jmcbride | congrats vinod! | 17:02 |
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| vinod2 | Thanks everybody | 17:02 |
| hvprash | thx | 17:02 |
| betsy | here | 17:02 |
| hvprash | me and bbaby work together in comcast | 17:02 |
| richm | here | 17:03 |
| Kiall | Excellent - I think we met some comcast folks at the summit, but IRC handles often don't map to real life :P | 17:03 |
| Kiall | #topic Incubation / Program Docs | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | mugsie: you're up | 17:03 |
| mugsie | cool - we did a fairly in depth run down at the summit | 17:04 |
| Kiall | hvprash / bbaby - if you're not already aware, agenda is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Designate and is open to everyone to add items to | 17:04 |
| mugsie | #linkhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Incubation_Application | 17:04 |
| mugsie | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Incubation_Application | 17:04 |
| mugsie | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Program_Application | 17:04 |
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| mugsie | I think we are in a good place to get this done by friday | 17:04 |
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| mugsie | jmcbride: i saw you we editing the program page - we nearly done there? | 17:05 |
| mugsie | were* | 17:05 |
| jmcbride | I've sent this around to a couple of folks here at Rackspace… | 17:05 |
| betsy | mugsie: awesome | 17:05 |
| jmcbride | updating based on feedback from Anne Gentle, Adrian Otto and waiting to hear back from Troy Toman | 17:05 |
| mugsie | cool - we are going to do a run through in HP later today | 17:05 |
| jmcbride | and Michael Still | 17:05 |
| Kiall | jmcbride: great, mugsie and myself have a meet in about an hour with some of the HP folks we want input from | 17:06 |
| jmcbride | sweet. | 17:06 |
| Kiall | jmcbride: anything major? | 17:06 |
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| mugsie | I will email you and we can sync up with times to send the email :) | 17:06 |
| jmcbride | not yet. I was hoping to find a way in the wiki to see my changes. | 17:06 |
| mugsie | yeah, you can | 17:06 |
| mugsie | If you #link https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Designate/Program_Application&action=history | 17:07 |
| Kiall | https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Designate%2FProgram_Application&diff=52977&oldid=52714 | 17:07 |
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| jmcbride | cool. I'm looking at #link https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Designate/Program_Application&diff=cur&oldid=52929 | 17:07 |
| Kiall | Looks like pretty minor edits, perfect :0 | 17:07 |
| Kiall | :)* | 17:07 |
| jmcbride | First thing was Anne asked why not join Networking or Data Processing programs | 17:08 |
| mugsie | cool. we call this item done for the time being? unless anyone else has any major objections | 17:08 |
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| mugsie | ah ^ | 17:08 |
| Kiall | Okay, so jmcbride - do you expect feedback from the remaining people before Friday is out? | 17:08 |
| shakamunyi | hello | 17:08 |
| mugsie | yeah, I liked your reasoning why not to | 17:08 |
| shakamunyi | here | 17:08 |
| Kiall | shakamunyi: heya :) New to designate? Welcome | 17:08 |
| jmcbride | I don't know about Troy and Michael yet, but the doc has been updated to reflect others. | 17:08 |
| shakamunyi | congrats vinod | 17:08 |
| Kiall | Okay - Moving on so | 17:09 |
| jmcbride | So I added a "Why a new program?" section | 17:09 |
| jmcbride | That was the biggest edit. | 17:09 |
| Kiall | #topic Discuss DNSupdate proposal/blueprint | 17:09 |
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| Kiall | Anyone wanting to take the lead on this one? | 17:10 |
| shakamunyi | Kiall this is Alex B | 17:10 |
| Kiall | shakamunyi: Oh .. lol.. what a nickname | 17:10 |
| shakamunyi | :D | 17:10 |
| shakamunyi | few incidents of name clashes with that one :) | 17:10 |
| Kiall | richm: you able to table about this topic? | 17:10 |
| richm | Kiall: yes | 17:10 |
| richm | The problem is that many DNS administrators already use nsupdate | 17:11 |
| Kiall | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/dnsupdate | 17:11 |
| richm | They want to be able to use nsupdate with designate | 17:11 |
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| richm | The bp outlines 3 approaches | 17:11 |
| richm | 1) provide a tool called "dnsupdate" which works exactly like nsupdate | 17:11 |
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| richm | 2) change the designate client to have an "--nsupdate" mode which makes it work exactly like nsupdate | 17:12 |
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| richm | 3) have mini-DNS work with nsupdate | 17:12 |
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| richm | I think 3) would be the most preferable | 17:12 |
| eankutse | Can we start with 3)? | 17:12 |
| richm | yes | 17:12 |
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| eankutse | I don't think we should talk directly to miniDNS | 17:13 |
| eankutse | Central will notify minidns | 17:13 |
| eankutse | when updates happens | 17:13 |
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| shakamunyi | thanks richm | 17:13 |
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| eankutse | and miniDNS will go from there | 17:13 |
| Kiall | So - I think 3 is the best option, since it allows the real nsupdate utility to speak with us, and any other code supporting the RFC Dynanic DNS | 17:13 |
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| Kiall | But.. It's also going to be blocked on mDNS | 17:13 |
| rjrjr_ | i'm not seeing 3 options in the blueprint, but I like option 3. | 17:13 |
| richm | right - so support for 3) may take some time | 17:13 |
| eankutse | Kiall: I was actually proposing the opposite | 17:13 |
| eankutse | :-) | 17:13 |
| betsy | rjrjr_: It’s down at the bottom in the whiteboard section | 17:14 |
| Kiall | eankutse: not sure I follow? | 17:14 |
| shakamunyi | rjrjr_ it's at the bottom of the whiteboard | 17:14 |
| mugsie | I quite like 3 personally - It was one of the reasons that miniDNS was such a good idea | 17:14 |
| rjrjr_ | gotcha! | 17:14 |
| richm | rjrjr_: They are called "Proposal 1, 2, 3" in the bp | 17:14 |
| Kiall | Proposal 1 seems like a good compromise, and a good way to identify any gaps we might have | 17:14 |
| eankutse | MiniDNS is hidden inside designate | 17:14 |
| eankutse | It is activated by Central | 17:14 |
| eankutse | So updates go to central | 17:15 |
| richm | MiniDNS already "talks" to the outside world | 17:15 |
| eankutse | and Central activates (as usual) MiniDNS | 17:15 |
| Kiall | eankutse: yes, but once we have all the mDNS code in place, it should be "easy enough" to extend to have a service we can expose to customers that handles dynamic updates | 17:15 |
| mugsie | yeah, that is part of the reason that we have the api separate to cnetral, to allow multiple input APIs | 17:15 |
| Kiall | It may or may not be the same service as mDNS itself, but I'm betting 90% of the code can be reused | 17:15 |
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| eankutse | ok. Yes. We are talking about the "extended" miniDNS | 17:16 |
| richm | so perhaps mDNS will be split into two parts? | 17:16 |
| richm | mDNS XFR agent | 17:16 |
| richm | and mDNS nsupdate agent | 17:16 |
| rjrjr_ | central won't really be central at that point. 8^) | 17:16 |
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| Kiall | eankutse: yea, it would be an extra that would re-use much of the code, but might be different service etc :) | 17:16 |
| betsy | rjrjr_: It’s still authoritative, so why wouldn’t it still be central? | 17:17 |
| eankutse | :-) | 17:17 |
| Kiall | Anyway - richm RedHat obv has customers etc asking for this, so, IMO, I'd be happy to see #1 done "today" with with #3 done when mDNS is ready.. #1 will ensure we have all the central requirements etc in place to handle this. | 17:17 |
| richm | Kiall: ok, sounds good | 17:18 |
| shakamunyi | Kiall: I prefer option 3, option 1 as compromise measure | 17:18 |
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| shakamunyi | Kiall richm: agree | 17:18 |
| richm | ok - so two action items for me | 17:18 |
| vinod2 | With the current server pools and mdns design, on any modifications, central sends an update to the pool manager, which would send a NOTIFY to the backends. With proposal 3, we need to think about how to send NOTIFY | 17:18 |
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| mugsie | shakamunyi: when you say compramise - do you mean short term? or if we can't actually implement 3? | 17:18 |
| Kiall | vinod2: I don't think we do need to change that, as the code for #3 would send the updates to central,a nd the standard logic for NOTIFY's etc would kick in | 17:19 |
| shakamunyi | mugsie: short/near term + identify gaps | 17:19 |
| mugsie | cool | 17:20 |
| Kiall | BTW folks - for those who don't now .. Alex B / shakamunyi is the HP Cloud DNS dev manage.. jmcbride's counterpart in HP ;) | 17:20 |
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| shakamunyi | Kiall actually I'm at RH | 17:20 |
| Kiall | OHH | 17:20 |
| richm | a different Alex B | 17:20 |
| rjrjr_ | LOL | 17:20 |
| Kiall | I though you said Alex B(arclay) | 17:20 |
| mugsie | :D | 17:20 |
| jmcbride | kiall, so you have a new manager? | 17:20 |
| Kiall | I was wondering :D | 17:20 |
| jmcbride | ;) | 17:20 |
| richm | we have two Alex B's | 17:20 |
| shakamunyi | Kiall sorry - Alex Baretto | 17:21 |
| shakamunyi | :D | 17:21 |
| Kiall | My mistake :D | 17:21 |
| richm | We have to Alex Bar's | 17:21 |
| richm | two | 17:21 |
| shakamunyi | Kiall no worries | 17:21 |
| Kiall | lol | 17:21 |
| richm | so how do I do the meetingbot #action thing? | 17:21 |
| vinod2 | Kiall: So with proposal 3, would there be a separate layer (similar to api) that accepts the nsupdate requests and sends them on to central? | 17:21 |
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| richm | I need to give myself two actions | 17:21 |
| Kiall | richm: #action <name> <action> | 17:21 |
| mugsie | vinod2: yup | 17:21 |
| vinod2 | Also with proposals 1 and 2, would the requests go through the current api layer? | 17:22 |
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| richm | #action richm update dnsupdate blueprint with info from this meeting | 17:22 |
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| richm | #action richm add minidns blueprint for nsupdate support | 17:22 |
| Kiall | vinod2: yes - there would, that layer *might* be the same thing we serve mDNS AXFR's from, but might be a different service sharing lots of code | 17:22 |
| shakamunyi | vinod2 for mDNS AXFR | 17:23 |
| jmcbride | recap | 17:23 |
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| Kiall | vinod2: with proposal 1 and 2, the modifications would go through the current API layer I believe | 17:23 |
| Kiall | (after any gaps get closed) | 17:23 |
| shakamunyi | Kiall vinod2 correct | 17:23 |
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| mugsie | richm: can you capture ^ in the bp for 1 and 2 ? | 17:24 |
| richm | mugsie: yes | 17:24 |
| richm | another problem with 1 is that it won't be an exact replacement for nsupdate | 17:24 |
| richm | for example, doesn't nsupdate allow for constraints? and tsigkeys? | 17:24 |
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| shakamunyi | richm correct | 17:25 |
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| richm | not sure how we will do that with the v1 or v2 api | 17:25 |
| rjrjr_ | also you can "batch" requests with nsupdate | 17:25 |
| Kiall | Anyway - To recap as jmcbride suggests - 1) Identify gaps to support the functionality, 2) Close those gaps using the current APIs, 3) Create the dnsupdate util (optional, depending on if mDNS is ready), and 4) support RFC dynamic DNS using mDNS's code (may or may not be a separate service) | 17:25 |
| RaginBajin | I'm sorry, but I can't find the blueprint that you guys are referencing. | 17:25 |
| Kiall | RaginBajin: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/dnsupdate | 17:25 |
| RaginBajin | thx | 17:25 |
| richm | Kiall: ok - I will update the blueprint | 17:26 |
| vinod2 | Would nsupdate or the equivalent run with admin privileges - so that they can make modifications to any tenant's data? | 17:26 |
| mugsie | vinod2: Ideally no | 17:26 |
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| Kiall | vinod2: For #3, It would require the nsupdate call is TSIG signed, so we can identify the end user | 17:26 |
| Kiall | which means it has a dep on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/mdns-designate-scoped-tsig | 17:27 |
| shakamunyi | richm dnsupdate allows for both constraints and tsigkeys (determining the latter through the parsing process) | 17:27 |
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| richm | shakamunyi: right, but I'm concerned with how we translate those into something that the designate api can consume | 17:27 |
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| Kiall | richm: concerned how we translate TSIG keys to user creds? | 17:28 |
| richm | Kiall: yes | 17:28 |
| rjrjr_ | so, all we are really doing here is creating a new command called nsupdate, but isn't really nsupdate, correct? | 17:28 |
| richm | rjrjr_: correct | 17:28 |
| rjrjr_ | doesn't make too much sense to me then. 8^( | 17:29 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: P1 and P2 do that, P3 uses the real nsupdate | 17:29 |
| richm | a new command called "dnsupdate" so as not to conflict with the possibly already installed "nsupdate" | 17:29 |
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| Kiall | P1 would be considered a stop-gap while #3 is blocked | 17:29 |
| Kiall | And, if RH have people asking and dev time to work on it, I don't see a reason to reject the P1 stopgap while P3 is blokced | 17:29 |
| Kiall | blocked* | 17:30 |
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| Kiall | Building P1 will without a doubt make doing P3 easier, as gaps are closed in the API/Central layers | 17:30 |
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| shakamunyi | rjrjr_ dnsupdate just provides simplified command for nsupdate | 17:31 |
| rjrjr_ | what new functionality are we adding besides a different command line tool that does what designate command line tool does? | 17:31 |
| shakamunyi | Kiall agree. I'm committed to that P1 stopgap | 17:32 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: well, it's not so much about having another tool, it's about compatibility with the standard (outside of designate) CLIs for managing DNS | 17:32 |
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| rjrjr_ | so, the new dnsupate tool will be a shell like nsupdate is? | 17:33 |
| richm | rjrjr_: a DNS admin who prefers to use nsupdate and has a lot of process/scripts built around using nsupdate will be reluctant to rewrite everything to use the designate command line tool | 17:33 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr_: yes, ideally a 100% compatible re-implementation | 17:33 |
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| richm | rjrjr_: yes - the goal is that it is a drop-in replacement | 17:33 |
| Kiall | At least for the features it implements anyway | 17:33 |
| richm | just sed -e s/nsupdate/dnsupdate/g | 17:33 |
| rjrjr_ | okay. | 17:33 |
| shakamunyi | rjrjr_ and doing that with in an easy to use + script manner with some niceties (such as automatically creating PTRs for a given A or AAAA record) | 17:34 |
| RaginBajin | but I guess anything written outside of the nsupdate tool is then kinda screwed right. (i.e. perl, etc) | 17:34 |
| richm | so shakamunyi is also proposing some additional features that dnsupdate will have that nsupdate does not have | 17:34 |
| Kiall | Or telling your DHCP server that nsupdate is at /usr/bin/*d*nsupdate etc | 17:34 |
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| richm | RaginBajin: not sure what you mean | 17:35 |
| Kiall | RaginBajin: correct, Proposal 3, which we agree is the long term goal, solves working with code that doesn't shell out to nsupdate | 17:35 |
| shakamunyi | richm all entirely ease-of-use | 17:35 |
| richm | you mean, if someone has written something in Net::DNS? | 17:35 |
| RaginBajin | richm yeah exactly | 17:35 |
| richm | right, proposal 3 | 17:35 |
| Kiall | With P3 implemented, Net:DNS, dnspython, etc etc will all "just work" with Designate for updates etc | 17:35 |
| RaginBajin | kiall: gotcha | 17:35 |
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| Kiall | Okay - I think we have consensus. shakamunyi / richm .. can we start by just identifying the gaps that will need to be fixed in API/Central - Once we have that we have a better idea of the work involved | 17:37 |
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| mugsie | +1 | 17:37 |
| richm | agreed | 17:37 |
| eankutse | +1 | 17:37 |
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| rjrjr_ | +1 | 17:37 |
| Kiall | Okay - Let's move on so :) | 17:37 |
| Kiall | #topic Server pool deployment question for multi-region/DC name servers | 17:37 |
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| Kiall | I'm not sure who added this item? | 17:37 |
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| mugsie | jmcbride: i think? | 17:38 |
| Kiall | Looks like it was jmcbride - Anyone free to discuss? | 17:38 |
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| shakamunyi | Kiall agree | 17:38 |
| shakamunyi | Kiall agreed | 17:38 |
| jmcbride | yes, that was me, sorry guys | 17:38 |
| jmcbride | so I brought along a friend | 17:38 |
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| Kiall | lol - sorry for what exactly? ;) | 17:38 |
| jbratton | this goes back to what we started discussing at the summit about having multiple minidns servers with their own pools | 17:39 |
| jbratton | so we need to define pools of pools for lack of a better way of saying it | 17:39 |
| jbratton | and I don't care how it is implemented.. config files.. api.. etc. | 17:39 |
| Kiall | Okay, so this was related to ensuring that DNS servers in Region A do AXFR's from, and get NOTIFY's from, Region A mDNS servers? | 17:40 |
| jbratton | but each minidns needs to know who to send notifies to, and who to accept zone transfers from | 17:40 |
| jbratton | yeah | 17:40 |
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| jbratton | we don't want a full mesh where every minidns is notifying every nameserver | 17:40 |
| Kiall | ++ | 17:40 |
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| jbratton | so I was thinking it could go in the api since that is where we define the nameservers at | 17:40 |
| eankutse | +2 | 17:41 |
| jbratton | but that is just my thought.. you all are welcome to implement it however | 17:41 |
| mugsie | yeah - so we define affinity to minidns installations at the servers level> | 17:41 |
| eankutse | just like masters today have a list of slaves to send to | 17:41 |
| mugsie | ?* | 17:41 |
| Kiall | Okay, So, did anyone come up with a good way to handle this? My initial thought is around tagging mDNS servers (via a config option) and then tagging (via the API) the actual DNS servers with a matching attribute | 17:41 |
| eankutse | I think a config file for miniDNS to read upon startup | 17:41 |
| eankutse | will be one way to go | 17:41 |
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| mugsie | yeh, my initlal though was that it was another attrib on the hosts that we defined in the servers call | 17:41 |
| Kiall | So.. an mDNS server with a tag of "region-a" would notify all servers with the "region-a" tag | 17:42 |
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| richm | p | 17:42 |
| mugsie | which maps to a tag / something on a mDNS agent | 17:42 |
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| Kiall | But - that only solves NOTIFY's I think.. We still need to create the zone at the real DNS server with the correct list of mDNS's to AXFR from | 17:42 |
| eankutse | mugsie: what is mDNS agen? | 17:43 |
| mugsie | yeah, hense tagging the servers/hosts themselves as well | 17:43 |
| mugsie | eankutse: agent - i cnat type | 17:43 |
| Kiall | Maybe mDNS will, not unlike nova-compute, registers itself on startup as being part of a tag/region etc? | 17:43 |
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| Kiall | eankutse: mini-dns - just shorter ;) | 17:43 |
| eankutse | I just wanted to clarify the "agent" | 17:43 |
| eankutse | is that the service? or another thing? | 17:44 |
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| mugsie | a runnign instance of mDNS | 17:44 |
| eankutse | k | 17:44 |
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| RaginBajin | and this would be use to handle load basically right | 17:45 |
| jbratton | I envision multiple mdns agents for scale | 17:45 |
| jbratton | to handle multiple geographic locations | 17:45 |
| mugsie | RaginBajin: and to ensure a dns server in london doesnt AFXR from austin, when there is a mDNS server in london | 17:46 |
| Kiall | So .. "designate-mdns" upon boot registers itself, like nova-compute does, with it's tag, and we "tag" servers in the pools API, we can then have knowledge of all the components involved, and make smart decisions around who to NOTIFY and where to AXFR. | 17:46 |
| Kiall | (summarized my idea ^) | 17:46 |
| mugsie | Kiall: yup | 17:46 |
| mugsie | i think that works | 17:46 |
| rjrjr_ | makes sense. | 17:46 |
| RaginBajin | mugsie: ok that's what I thought.. I've heard the term mdns before but not as mini-dns, so I wanted to be sure. | 17:46 |
| mugsie | jbratton: does that look like what you were thinking? | 17:46 |
| jbratton | yeah, that makes perfect sense | 17:47 |
| mugsie | cool | 17:47 |
| jbratton | we don't add/remove nameservers very often.. so how it is setup.. that can be as static or dynamic as needed | 17:47 |
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| vinod2 | is there already a blueprint to track this? | 17:48 |
| Kiall | The other option - which removes the "registers itself" bit, it just to have an API resource that lists out all the mDNS servers with there tags.. Simpler, but when things like dynamically booting a pool for a customer comes along, the registration piece can be reused to handle that | 17:48 |
| Kiall | vinod2: No, this came out of the discussions in Atlanta.. But it was unsolved at the time | 17:48 |
| Kiall | Doorbell - BRB | 17:49 |
| eankutse | I can open a blueprint for this | 17:49 |
| Kiall | Thanks eankutse | 17:49 |
| RaginBajin | Is designate being the system to initiate the AXFR's or NOTIFY or are we giving that to processes like BIND. Trying to get my head around this, sorry for the questions. | 17:50 |
| eankutse | #action eankutse open blueprint for regionalized mdns servers | 17:50 |
| mugsie | RaginBajin: it is Designate | 17:50 |
| Kiall | RaginBajin: Sure, so.. BIND/PowerDNS etc will be the "real DNS servers" (as it is today) | 17:50 |
| shakamunyi | Kiall mDNS tagging makes sense to me | 17:50 |
| Kiall | We'll also have this mini-DNS service, that BIND/PowerDNS/etc/etc do AXFR's from | 17:50 |
| rjrjr_ | Designate will. the mdns (mini-dns) is going to be a simplified DNS server for transfers initially. | 17:50 |
| Kiall | mini-DNS (or mDNS) will sent NOTIFY's to BIND/PowerDNS/etc, and BIND/PowerDNS/etc will perform an AXFR against mDNS | 17:51 |
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| Kiall | #action eankutse to file blueprint around region-aware handing of NOTIFY's and AXFR's | 17:52 |
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| Kiall | Once that's up, we can figure out the details | 17:52 |
| Kiall | But.. I think we have a general direction to go with tag's (which may be the wrong word, but we'll figure that out when we have more than 5 mins left in the meet) | 17:53 |
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| shakamunyi | Kiall agree, think "tags" or (insert name here) is a start | 17:53 |
| Kiall | #action kiall to re-add "Server pool deployment question for multi-region/DC name servers" to agenda one the BP is drafted | 17:53 |
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| Kiall | Okay .. Moving on, unless there are any other comments on this one? :) | 17:53 |
| betsy | Not from me. It all sounds good | 17:54 |
| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:54 |
| mugsie | +1 | 17:54 |
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| hvprash | so for us newcomers, is this is the official developer documenation we should be referring - http://designate.readthedocs.org/en/latest/devstack.html ? any suggestions, tips to get started? | 17:54 |
| Kiall | Okay - Open discussion, anything off-agenda today? | 17:54 |
| Kiall | hvprash: I have a ticket filed for me to update those docs, there slightly outdated | 17:54 |
| Kiall | https://github.com/moniker-dns/devstack.git was moved to https://github.com/stackforge/designate/tree/master/contrib/devstack | 17:54 |
| hvprash | looks like not much has changed and is a good reference to start with ? | 17:55 |
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| Kiall | Yea, it's just a "plugin" rather than fork of DevStack now | 17:55 |
| rjrjr_ | are we going to provide support for Keystone v3 domains? have we been approached about this yet? http://www.florentflament.com/blog/setting-keystone-v3-domains.html | 17:56 |
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| RaginBajin | I do have a question, if someone wanted to write a driver for say a particular service, is there any starting point to look at | 17:56 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: I've been approached internally by HP Keystone folks, but haven't had much time to dig in yet | 17:56 |
| Kiall | RaginBajin: when you say service, you mean something like a 3rd party hosted DNS? | 17:56 |
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| Kiall | or just a different DNS server? | 17:56 |
| RaginBajin | kiall: Yes a 3rd party hosted DNS | 17:57 |
| Kiall | Inside of this folder https://github.com/stackforge/designate/tree/master/designate/backend | 17:57 |
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| Kiall | you'll see all the backends, one of them is a driver for DynECT (i.e DynDns) | 17:57 |
| RaginBajin | kiall: Perfect. Thanks | 17:57 |
| eankutse | I am startiing work on designate-mdns service. Hope to have basic initial submission in the next few days: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/mdns-core-mdns-service | 17:57 |
| denis_makogon | RaginBajin, do not forget about integration testing inside 3d party CI for any new driver | 17:57 |
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| Kiall | eankutse: excellent :) | 17:58 |
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| Kiall | RaginBajin: questions etc, drop by #openstack-dns and people are usually there | 17:58 |
| Kiall | 2 mins left - Any other topics before we call it a day? | 17:59 |
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| betsy | Just FYI, I’ll be working on the database schema redesign for recordsets and records | 17:59 |
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| Kiall | Okay, if there's nothing else we're at time :) | 17:59 |
| Kiall | Thanks all | 17:59 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 21 17:59:53 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-05-21-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-05-21-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-05-21-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
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| shakamunyi | thanks Kiall | 18:00 |
| SlickNik | Thanks Kiall. | 18:00 |
| SlickNik | On the dot :0 | 18:00 |
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| SlickNik | :) | 18:00 |
| Kiall | SlickNik: ;) | 18:00 |
| hvprash | Thanks | 18:00 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 21 18:01:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:01 |
| denis_makogon | o/ | 18:01 |
| iccha1 | o/ | 18:01 |
| mattgriffin | o/ | 18:01 |
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| imsplitbit | o/ | 18:01 |
| vipul | o/ | 18:01 |
| pdmars | o/ | 18:01 |
| amcrn | o/ | 18:01 |
| peterstac | \o | 18:01 |
| amytron | o/ | 18:01 |
| amrith | \0/ | 18:01 |
| grapex | ~o~ | 18:01 |
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| cp16net | o/ | 18:02 |
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| mat-lowery | o/ | 18:02 |
| peoplemerge | o/ | 18:02 |
| cp16net | grapex: is doing the wave | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting#Agenda_for_May_21 | 18:02 |
| amcrn | pop and lock | 18:02 |
| glucas | o/ | 18:02 |
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| grapex | cp16net: I hope your PSA involves a cartoon mascot singing about logging safety. | 18:03 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Informational PSA on Openstack Logging Standards | 18:03 |
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| esp | o/ | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: all yours | 18:03 |
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| cp16net | #link http://media0.giphy.com/media/Zjh1dptLNm5Qk/200_s.gif | 18:03 |
| cp16net | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LoggingStandards | 18:03 |
| cp16net | so there was a review for removing the translations for debug messages | 18:04 |
| vipul | the image also seems to go well with the topic ;) | 18:04 |
| grapex | cp16net: I was about to say please add an underscore to that picture so we can localize it | 18:04 |
| cp16net | i was not aware of this link so i thought i would share so we can all be on the same page | 18:04 |
| grapex | but thanks to that other link I now know that isn't how we roll in Trove. Thanks cp16net! | 18:04 |
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| cp16net | but this also leads to us making sure we make log messages at the right level | 18:05 |
| cp16net | currently *almost* everything is in debug | 18:05 |
| iccha1 | +1 | 18:05 |
| denis_makogon | ++ | 18:05 |
| cp16net | and this is not helpful for operations to turn down logging | 18:06 |
| vipul | yea without debug turned on.. you're SOL | 18:06 |
| denis_makogon | agreed, we need more INFO level logging | 18:06 |
| cp16net | i think getting some input from people running this in a prod env would help a ton | 18:06 |
| iccha1 | also the note on running other libraries at different log levels is useful note for deployments | 18:06 |
| cp16net | so i think the action here is to audit out logging levels throughout trove | 18:06 |
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| denis_makogon | sound reasonable | 18:07 |
| vipul | +1 we should be looking at this during reviews as well | 18:07 |
| cp16net | #action make a bug to audit logging levels throughout trove code code with deployers | 18:07 |
| grapex | I like this policy much better than the "put underscores in front of every string ever" policy | 18:08 |
| cp16net | #agree vipul | 18:08 |
| denis_makogon | grapex, +1 | 18:08 |
| amcrn | and if someone is planning on helping out with this, please be holistic vs. pushing a couple dozen reviews, fixing it file by file :) | 18:08 |
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| kevinconway | there goes my strategy of one commit per log line | 18:08 |
| cp16net | amcrn: i think either way would be fine as long as its not considered done after the first review | 18:08 |
| denis_makogon | amcrn, agreed, hard to review a 2k lines patch with only one type of change | 18:08 |
| dougshelley66 | seems like we should break it up logically? | 18:09 |
| cp16net | because you might not know what the guest agent logging should be for c* | 18:09 |
| denis_makogon | dougshelley66, file by file | 18:09 |
| kevinconway | cp16net: but we use a python guest agent? | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | #action cp16net make a bug to audit logging levels throughout trove code code with input from deployers | 18:09 |
| denis_makogon | dougshelley66, or per package | 18:09 |
| vipul | denis_makogon: no please don't do file by file | 18:09 |
| cp16net | amcrn: but i agree to make sure it includes at least the whole module of changes | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: add your name to the #action line. :) | 18:09 |
| amcrn | i think my comma was misplaced, i was against file by file :D | 18:09 |
| cp16net | gotcha thanks :) | 18:10 |
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| vipul | those commas | 18:10 |
| dougshelley66 | i was referring to some reasonable grouping that could be split across multiple devs? | 18:10 |
| cp16net | gotcha | 18:10 |
| denis_makogon | amcrn, get it =) | 18:10 |
| cp16net | dougshelley66: sure | 18:10 |
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| kevinconway | can we get the implementors of datastores to fix their guest logs? | 18:10 |
| denis_makogon | but first we need policy | 18:10 |
| cp16net | ok any othe questions | 18:10 |
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| cp16net | i'm done | 18:10 |
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| denis_makogon | kevinconway, first implement postgresql then convince us to re-write our code =)) | 18:11 |
| amcrn | hashtag rekt | 18:11 |
| kevinconway | denis_makogon: sick burn | 18:11 |
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| SlickNik | So guys, while I think this is important. I don't think it's a high-pri item. | 18:11 |
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| cp16net | SlickNik: i agree its a low at most | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | If you're interested in helping out with it, I'd suggest you touch base with cp16net rather than submit a competing patch. | 18:12 |
| denis_makogon | yeah, i agree | 18:12 |
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| SlickNik | Okay, 'nuff said. | 18:12 |
| cp16net | ok | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | #topic Follow up on ATL discussion on Code Reviews | 18:12 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-review-juno | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | So at ATL we decided to use a custom dashboard to focus our review efforts. | 18:13 |
| vipul | here's another one that we tried to take notes in during the session, but etherpad was a flake: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-trove-reviews | 18:13 |
| denis_makogon | #link bit.do/trove-reviews | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | This dashboard is at: http://bit.do/trove-reviews | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | A couple of you mentioned that this doesn't capture reviews from the client and integration projects. | 18:14 |
| cp16net | SlickNik: you can include the other ones as well | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | So I created another that does at: http://bit.do/all-trove-reviews | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | #link http://bit.do/all-trove-reviews | 18:15 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, amazing =) | 18:15 |
| vipul | nice | 18:15 |
| iccha1 | sweet! | 18:15 |
| grapex | SlickNik: really great stuff! | 18:15 |
| amcrn | <3 SlickNik | 18:15 |
| grapex | Someone at Rax just pointed this out, so quick reminder that you need to be signed in first for the link to work. | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | Also wanted to touch upon a couple of other issues that came up. | 18:16 |
| cp16net | nice | 18:16 |
| mat-lowery | This is great SlickNik. Can you elaborate on the meaning of "No Negative Feedback"? | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | I'm still looking into the beginning of meeting stats, so I'll keep you posted on that | 18:17 |
| mat-lowery | (Or I could read the query.) | 18:17 |
| denis_makogon | mat-lowery, has no -1 for now | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | mat-lowery: Passed unit tests, passed integration tests, and no −1 from other reviewers. | 18:17 |
| imsplitbit | so I see a fundamental problem here, if I may, metadata is no where on here | 18:17 |
| mat-lowery | If I remember correctly, I was told that core does look at -1s. This seems to contradict that. | 18:18 |
| vipul | does it have a -1? imsplitbit | 18:18 |
| grapex | Also... let's talk about it | 18:18 |
| denis_makogon | imsplitbit, is is abandoned due to hang timeout? | 18:18 |
| grapex | I think core should in general look at more stuff | 18:18 |
| denis_makogon | *is it | 18:18 |
| imsplitbit | and that's because Auston asked to hold the client changes until the server piece is reviews | 18:18 |
| imsplitbit | reviewed | 18:18 |
| grapex | but looking at -1 explicitly is a little silly- its like saying "we must be better at looking at the lowest priority items." | 18:18 |
| denis_makogon | i would say that we need another section "Abandoned due to time expiration" | 18:19 |
| imsplitbit | and the server will fail jenkins until client patch is merged | 18:19 |
| grapex | imsplitbit: That seems like a good case for making blueprints the starting point of where core looks. | 18:19 |
| SnowDust | mat-lowery: +1 | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | imsplitbit: And why isn't the server piece in here? | 18:19 |
| imsplitbit | because jenkins -1 it | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | because of a −1 dependency on the client? | 18:19 |
| imsplitbit | cause tests fail due to the client not having metadata support in it | 18:19 |
| vipul | yea this is the fun of having a cross dependency :D | 18:20 |
| grapex | So I think this is a good start, but we probably won't be able to go off a filter alone | 18:20 |
| imsplitbit | so I just wanted to point that out | 18:20 |
| grapex | I think we should look at this and at the blueprints | 18:20 |
| imsplitbit | this dashboard is nice but that is a rather large flaw for any new features | 18:20 |
| mat-lowery | grapex: good start. can't be the only list | 18:20 |
| grapex | if there's a -1'd pull request in Gerrit that is part of a blueprint which is low priority that hasn't been well-discussed, I'm personally ok if Core looks at that dead-last / not-at-all | 18:20 |
| * grapex runs for cover | 18:21 | |
| SlickNik | This comes back to our core-standup. We'll have to discuss bps that don't show up because of cross dependencies like this separately. | 18:21 |
| imsplitbit | *unless* we merge client code first which is scary since changes made on the reviews for server code could necesitate a change in the client | 18:21 |
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| cp16net | make sure we know where bp stands | 18:21 |
| imsplitbit | kk I just wanted to point this out | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | I'm still need to work something out here with the other core folks - so stay tuned for info regarding this. | 18:21 |
| imsplitbit | Rax is looking to use metadata asap so I get asked about it daily | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | imsplitbit: Historically we've had to merge client code first so that we can make sure that tests pass. | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | imsplitbit: Issue duly noted. Will figure out what the best way to handle such cases is. | 18:23 |
| grapex | SlickNik: I don't see that changing unless we move to writing Tempest tests in the Trove repo with the copy/pasta client | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | grapex: same here. | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | okay moving on to another point that came up. | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | The 2 +2 reviews needed for approval. | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | So I talked to multiple folks, and this is definitely a cross OpenStack thing. | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GerritJenkinsGit#Reviewing_a_Change | 18:25 |
| SlickNik | "When a review has two +2 reviews and one of the core team believes it is ready to be merged, he or she should leave a +1 vote in the "Approved" category." | 18:25 |
| vipul | so it's just a practice, but not enforced by gerrit? | 18:25 |
| iccha1 | yes | 18:26 |
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| SlickNik | vipul: yes | 18:26 |
| vipul | ok, sounds good | 18:26 |
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| esmute | doesnt the core who gave the 2nd +2 also does a +1 approved? | 18:26 |
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| iccha1 | all cores have +1 approved at any time | 18:26 |
| denis_makogon | esmute, it seems - 3d one | 18:26 |
| iccha1 | its when they choose to use it | 18:26 |
| SlickNik | Also IMHO, it's a good thing. We've caught issues in the past during a second review. | 18:26 |
| SlickNik | So I suggest keeping it exactly like it is today. | 18:26 |
| SlickNik | And not changing this. | 18:26 |
| esmute | so does that mean we need 3 cores to get a patch merged? | 18:27 |
| iccha1 | 2nd core can approve it | 18:27 |
| vipul | just 2 cores | 18:27 |
| SlickNik | esmute: Nope, the second +2 also does an approve. | 18:27 |
| SlickNik | so 2 cores. | 18:27 |
| denis_makogon | so, basically, nothing changed | 18:27 |
| vipul | I think it's been working.. let's just keep doing it the way we have | 18:27 |
| esmute | ahh ok.. so this is just to ensure that the core who gave the second +2 also gives a +1 when approving | 18:28 |
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| SlickNik | esmute: This is a follow up to the conversation some folks had in ATL where they wanted to move to a system that required only 1 core approval. | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | esmute: And I'm clarifying that we're NOT moving to that. :) | 18:28 |
| cp16net | sounds good | 18:28 |
| esmute | ok.. thanks for the clarification SlickNik | 18:29 |
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| SlickNik | Okay, that's pretty much all I had on the follow up. | 18:29 |
| vipul | SlickNik: when is the core standup? | 18:29 |
| esmute | are you guys doing a hangout? | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | vipul: haven't gotten around to figuring that out just yet. Working on a doodle. Expect a link in your inbox sometime today. :) | 18:30 |
| vipul | ok | 18:30 |
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| SlickNik | Any other questions? | 18:30 |
| grapex | vipul: I vote for not during my lunch | 18:30 |
| amcrn | i vote for grapex's lunch hour | 18:30 |
| vipul | grapex: how about your yoga hour | 18:30 |
| cp16net | fail | 18:30 |
| grapex | As a former resident of the third most obese city in America I think us Texans have given up enough of our most precious resource... food. | 18:31 |
| amcrn | ;D | 18:31 |
| esmute | grapex: where did you move to? | 18:31 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:31 |
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| vipul | i thought amcrn had something | 18:31 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, we missed last section | 18:31 |
| SlickNik | oops, let me refresh | 18:31 |
| amrith | I'll wait on amcrn | 18:31 |
| SlickNik | my mistake | 18:31 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, Clustering python-troveclient Interface | 18:31 |
| amcrn | i snuck it in last minute due to the sparse agenda, apologies | 18:32 |
| grapex | From San Antonio to Austin. Here all the hip food is in trucks so over-eaters have to run after it. | 18:32 |
| SlickNik | #topic Clustering python-troveclient Interface | 18:32 |
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| SlickNik | amcrn: apologies. the floor is yours. | 18:32 |
| amcrn | so, with the clustering spec ironed out, i was looking into the python-troveclient and quickly found out that modeling heterogenous instances is a tad awkward | 18:32 |
| amcrn | #link https://gist.github.com/amcrn/c4ae2210e9d9864c21fd | 18:33 |
| denis_makogon | yeah, looks pretty huge =) | 18:33 |
| amcrn | so, two questions: does anyone have a better option for the heterogenous case? | 18:33 |
| amcrn | denis_makogon: that's mostly formatting to deal with gist.github.com's weird text-wrap | 18:34 |
| amcrn | and the other question is under the "Thoughts" subheader | 18:34 |
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| denis_makogon | amcrn, can we table it for at least 1-2 day to think about that ? | 18:34 |
| vipul | so nova does something pretty weird with the block-device-mapping argument | 18:34 |
| grapex | amcrn: So is there any other client that can take basically a "vaargs" for some series of values? | 18:34 |
| hub_cap | amcrn: i think the other projects just punt on complex stuff in the client | 18:34 |
| hub_cap | at least in the cli portion | 18:34 |
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| vipul | it's not quite json, but an ordered list of thing colon-delimited | 18:35 |
| vipul | http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-ops/content/attach_block_storage.html | 18:35 |
| amcrn | hub_cap: how does something like horizon then make use of that then? raw http request? | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | amcrn: I know the neutron-cli does something similar. They use key=value pairs as args though. | 18:35 |
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| amcrn | vipul: nice, thanks for the reference | 18:35 |
| amcrn | grapex: we already take json for configuration-group parameter updates | 18:35 |
| grapex | amcrn: I think I'm kind of ok with the JSON approach | 18:36 |
| grapex | but it isn't consistent | 18:36 |
| grapex | it seems like a heterogenous cluster is sort of a power user thing though | 18:36 |
| denis_makogon | i guess for now it's a pretty good way to describe complex shell request ( vipul's link ) | 18:36 |
| hub_cap | amcrn: make it work _in_ the client, not in the cli | 18:37 |
| hub_cap | does that make sense? | 18:37 |
| peterstac | what about allowing the same option to be specified multiple times? | 18:37 |
| amcrn | hub_cap: ah, thanks for the clarification | 18:37 |
| kevinconway | we could do something goofy like a bunch of delimeted strings | 18:37 |
| vipul | it's a bit difficult to expect someone to write json in a terminal.. so i would be ok with something like nova | 18:37 |
| kevinconway | --sizes="1,2,3,4" | 18:37 |
| peterstac | i.e. --flavor=1 --flavor=2 etc. | 18:37 |
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| cp16net | yeah just not in the shell is what hub_cap is saying | 18:37 |
| amcrn | ok, so shell assumes homogenous, and if you want heterogenous we can tap into the client | 18:37 |
| hub_cap | im ok w that for now | 18:38 |
| denis_makogon | another question, about volumes | 18:38 |
| grapex | vipul: my issue with the colon delimited list is it still switches from the format typical to the CLI to something different | 18:38 |
| peterstac | kevinconway: I thought of that, but it would turn numerics into strings ... | 18:38 |
| amcrn | and whether that's colon delim'd, or json, or whatever, we can hash that out over the coming days | 18:38 |
| denis_makogon | do volume size is required by the default ? | 18:38 |
| amcrn | denis_makogon: the cli claims it isn't, but it is afaik | 18:38 |
| grapex | if it's different JSON seems easier to get right than making it a colon / fabric style approach we'd semi-invent for this. | 18:38 |
| vipul | grapex: sure.. maybe we need to look at more examples like that to see if there is a precedent.. | 18:38 |
| grapex | vipul: +1 | 18:39 |
| amcrn | cool, i'll draw up more examples and drop it in the official channel | 18:39 |
| denis_makogon | amcrn, thanks | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | amcrn: I'm good with making this (heterogenous) work in the client, and punting on the cli till later. | 18:39 |
| grapex | amcrn: Good point | 18:39 |
| cp16net | #agreed | 18:39 |
| iccha1 | +1 | 18:39 |
| amcrn | definitely all agreed on the cli vs. client thing, thanks guys | 18:39 |
| hub_cap | you might be able to make a subparser for --instance --flavor 1 --blah | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | I think it might be a useful ML question as well. | 18:39 |
| hub_cap | and --instance --flavor 2 --blah | 18:39 |
| kevinconway | hub_cap: yeah that's going to be a super messy subparser i think | 18:40 |
| * hub_cap is not sure how it works, but think github | 18:40 | |
| hub_cap | err git cmd line | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | okay, let's move on. | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | Thanks amcrn | 18:40 |
| kevinconway | i guess you could grab nargs=? and pipe that into another parser | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:40 |
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| amrith | \0/ | 18:40 |
| grapex | -1 to a subparser vs just using JSON. I think everyone would be more ok with JSON than having to own something else. :/ | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | amrith: go for it. | 18:40 |
| hub_cap | amrith: wants to discuss a stickfigure | 18:41 |
| SnowDust | anyone reviewing "vertica datastore" patch ? | 18:41 |
| amrith | Trove Mid-Cycle meetup is going to be on August 20, 21, 22 in Boston/Cambridge. | 18:41 |
| SnowDust | we need reviews ...!!! | 18:41 |
| denis_makogon | SnowDust, me | 18:41 |
| amrith | If you are going to attend, please register at | 18:41 |
| amrith | https://trove-midcycle-meetup-2014.eventbrite.com | 18:41 |
| amrith | There are three questions you have to answer (in addition to basic information such as name, email, and telephone number). | 18:41 |
| amrith | We're working on a location and once we have a better idea on the number of registrations, I will have details like hotels and if required a block reservation. | 18:41 |
| amrith | Finally, if you are arriving on the 19th, please consider coming in a bit early. We're trying to arrange an evening openstack event with the local openstack group. Details to follow. | 18:41 |
| SnowDust | denis_makogon : thanks .. | 18:41 |
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| vipul | SnowDust: i'll look later today | 18:41 |
| kevinconway | amrith: are you organizing a key-signing party? | 18:41 |
| SnowDust | vipul : thx ! | 18:41 |
| kevinconway | i hear those go really well | 18:41 |
| iccha1 | thanks for setting it up amrith | 18:41 |
| amcrn | kevinconway: lol | 18:42 |
| denis_makogon | amrith, cool, Cambridge =) | 18:42 |
| yogeshmehra | SlickNik: If you could also give the review comments...You had few in mind, right? | 18:42 |
| SnowDust | amrith: not interested ? :) | 18:42 |
| yogeshmehra | will help us move faster | 18:42 |
| amrith | kevinconway, I will think about it (very hard) | 18:42 |
| amrith | iccha1, thanks. | 18:42 |
| cp16net | lol | 18:42 |
| SlickNik | yogeshmehra / SnowDust: Yes, will do it today. | 18:42 |
| SnowDust | cp16net : not interested ? | 18:42 |
| amrith | SnowDust, not interested in what? | 18:42 |
| yogeshmehra | awesome....thanks much | 18:42 |
| * cp16net confused | 18:43 | |
| SnowDust | reviews .. on "vertica datastore" patch | 18:43 |
| amrith | key signing party? no, very interested. I hear that kevinconway is organizing one. | 18:43 |
| amrith | oh, vertica review. | 18:43 |
| denis_makogon | cp16net, amrith, i guess in reviewing vertica patch | 18:43 |
| cp16net | thats fine its on the list | 18:43 |
| amrith | will do that later today | 18:43 |
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| cp16net | my comment was not to you | 18:43 |
| amrith | have been stuck with a bunch of "stuff" after being on the road for two weeks | 18:43 |
| amrith | SlickNik, I'm done. | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | amrith thanks! | 18:44 |
| denis_makogon | i've got one question | 18:44 |
| denis_makogon | can i ask for it ? | 18:44 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: sure | 18:44 |
| SlickNik | go for it. | 18:44 |
| denis_makogon | What about troveclient CLI style ? | 18:44 |
| denis_makogon | since we plan to have cluster-create | 18:44 |
| cp16net | plz elaborate | 18:44 |
| denis_makogon | cp16net, we have now "trove create" call for instances | 18:45 |
| mattgriffin | amrith, details will be added to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/JunoCycleMeetup ? | 18:45 |
| denis_makogon | cp16net, i guest we should move to "trove instance-create" | 18:45 |
| denis_makogon | cp16net, heat as the example | 18:45 |
| vipul | denis_makogon: +1 | 18:45 |
| denis_makogon | they have "heat list" which is going to be deprecated and they have "heat stack-list" | 18:46 |
| vipul | we might have to support both for a while.. but at least we should introduce instance-create | 18:46 |
| dougshelley66 | wasn't there some discussion about trying to move away from the term "instance"? or has that ship sailed? | 18:46 |
| grapex | vipul: Then we can change it to "instance create" | 18:46 |
| denis_makogon | vipul, yes, they will point out to same API call, but will have different signature for awhile | 18:46 |
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| cp16net | we need to be mindful of when we can depricate such a thing... | 18:46 |
| grapex | and then after that, back to just "create"... and the cycle will be complete. :) | 18:46 |
| * cp16net doesnt know the answer to that | 18:47 | |
| cp16net | grapex: lolz back to the beginning? | 18:47 |
| denis_makogon | grapex, we can't use "instance create", it should contain dash | 18:47 |
| vipul | it's a cli.. not an API.. not sure what the 'rules' are | 18:47 |
| denis_makogon | i meant "-" | 18:47 |
| cp16net | vipul: yea | 18:47 |
| kevinconway | we need to make sure we don't break the client too | 18:47 |
| grapex | vipul: I thought the rules were "do whatever Nova did" | 18:47 |
| amcrn | as long as the client is versioned, which is fairly trivial, we should be able to do what we want | 18:47 |
| denis_makogon | kevinconway, we wouldn't | 18:47 |
| kevinconway | so if you mean add an instance-create that mirrors trove create then sure | 18:47 |
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| denis_makogon | kevinconway, yes, that's what i was asking for | 18:48 |
| vipul | grapex: isn't that what we do anyway | 18:48 |
| SlickNik | btw, the clis are on a continuous release cycle and don't follow OS milestones. | 18:48 |
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| iccha1 | therehttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-cross-project-consistency-across-rest-apis | 18:48 |
| SlickNik | So we have some more leeway with changing them as we see fit. | 18:48 |
| iccha1 | i mean https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-cross-project-consistency-across-rest-apis is a good etherpad from the summit | 18:48 |
| iccha1 | on cross api consistency | 18:48 |
| cp16net | what benifit do we really get from changing the cli | 18:48 |
| vipul | that's a long etherpad | 18:48 |
| grapex | cp16net: +1 | 18:49 |
| denis_makogon | cp16net, generic format | 18:49 |
| cp16net | its not generic enough? | 18:49 |
| cp16net | it does what it has to do | 18:49 |
| denis_makogon | cp16net, this questions are came from python-openstackclient and python-openstacksdk | 18:49 |
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| cp16net | its no the client binding you are talking about | 18:49 |
| grapex | I would rather we have it as it once was than the way we have it now, but I don't really care. I can't imagine anyone who uses it does either beyond some fleeting sense of annoyance it doesn't use their personally preferred convention | 18:49 |
| cp16net | its just the shell cmds which work and i dont really see a reason to change them again | 18:49 |
| SlickNik | afaik, the API is the word set in stone. We have freedom to change the clis as we see fit. | 18:50 |
| denis_makogon | i'm not saying that we should do that, i just wondering what cores are other contributors feeling about that ? | 18:50 |
| SlickNik | But yes, we probably should look at moving "trove create" to "trove instance-create" once we have clustering. | 18:51 |
| vipul | the shell commands are important though.. since 'trove create' seems like the first step thing to do, you're misleading the user into creating a single instance | 18:51 |
| SlickNik | vipul: agreed. | 18:52 |
| denis_makogon | sounds good | 18:52 |
| amcrn | so as a part of the python-troveclient drop, "create" should be moved to "instance-create" ? | 18:52 |
| denis_makogon | i guess this change should land right after/before clustering | 18:52 |
| denis_makogon | amcrn, yes | 18:52 |
| vipul | or at least add 'instance-create' if we want to support both for a while amcrn | 18:52 |
| amcrn | i'd say right after, that way clustering can land without impacting existing usecases | 18:52 |
| kevinconway | i think we have to keep "create" or we version the client | 18:52 |
| SlickNik | amcrn: can we make it a different dependent patchset? | 18:52 |
| denis_makogon | vipul, ++ | 18:52 |
| amcrn | SlickNik: sure. | 18:53 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, seems like yes | 18:53 |
| hub_cap | why not leave create = instance-create and add a cluster-create | 18:53 |
| hub_cap | since in the beginning instance was kinda our "primary" resource | 18:53 |
| grapex | hub_cap: +1 | 18:53 |
| hub_cap | and we can fix it in a v2 | 18:53 |
| cp16net | i'm personally not in favor of changing the cli to object-create | 18:53 |
| vipul | hub_cap: because we have two top level things.. | 18:54 |
| hub_cap | but it gives us a way to not muck up the expected behaviro in a _already in trusty tahr system_ | 18:54 |
| denis_makogon | hub_cap, /instance /clusters | 18:54 |
| * hub_cap 's parrot squaks | 18:54 | |
| hub_cap | i get that guys | 18:54 |
| grapex | I mean I think if we wanted to have "blah-create" we should have kept it as "instance create", where we got CLI and suggestions when we tried "instance" without create. It seemed so much easier to reason about back then. | 18:54 |
| hub_cap | but we also have an _expected behavior_ | 18:54 |
| hub_cap | so we rev the client before we rev the api (odd) | 18:54 |
| hub_cap | or ew add cluster-create | 18:54 |
| grapex | I thought one big reason was so we could have a plain "create" echoing the Nova CLI's "boot" command | 18:54 |
| * hub_cap votes on the easier and more expected one | 18:55 | |
| vipul | grapex: but nova's boot command is all there is .. there is no other type of server you would boot | 18:55 |
| cp16net | i'd be ok adding cluster-create to work differently | 18:55 |
| vipul | we have two types of 'instances' you can 'boot' | 18:55 |
| cp16net | that makes sense | 18:55 |
| kevinconway | vipul: marshmallows | 18:55 |
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| denis_makogon | hub_cap, let me ask nova cores and cinder core what they think about their CLI style | 18:55 |
| hub_cap | but we have an expected behavior too vipul | 18:56 |
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| peterstac | vipul: +1 and potentially more down the road | 18:56 |
| vipul | sure, which is why i'm saying support both.. add a deprecated warming | 18:56 |
| hub_cap | denis_makogon: what would that accoomplish? im not sure what u mean by that | 18:56 |
| SlickNik | I'm good with supporting both and adding a deprecation warning. | 18:56 |
| hub_cap | so yer saying just symlink instance-create to create? | 18:56 |
| vipul | yes | 18:56 |
| denis_makogon | hub_cap, common CLI style across all projects | 18:56 |
| * hub_cap shrugs why not | 18:56 | |
| amcrn | i'm ok with that | 18:56 |
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| hub_cap | denis_makogon: im not sure its needed, looks like we have consensus | 18:56 |
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| denis_makogon | ok | 18:57 |
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| SlickNik | Okay, anything else? | 18:57 |
| denis_makogon | if it'll work for all of us then i'm fine with that | 18:57 |
| * cp16net looks at the otherside of the room | 18:57 | |
| robertmyers | #vote no client | 18:57 |
| grapex | robertmyers: +1 | 18:57 |
| robertmyers | curl for all | 18:57 |
| grapex | Let's just wait for the OpenStack SDK | 18:57 |
| SlickNik | lol @ robertmyers | 18:57 |
| amcrn | +1 | 18:57 |
| amcrn | lol | 18:57 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 21 18:57:53 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-05-21-18.01.html | 18:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-05-21-18.01.txt | 18:57 |
| grapex | We'll just copy the client into the Trove repo so people quit bugging us | 18:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-05-21-18.01.log.html | 18:57 |
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| SlickNik | Thanks all! | 18:58 |
| grapex | it won't be a test dep and everything will be happy. :) | 18:58 |
| cp16net | thanks SlickNik | 18:58 |
| iccha1 | thanks SlickNik | 18:58 |
| grapex | Thanks SlickNik! | 18:58 |
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