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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI passthrough | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 20 13:00:20 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI passthrough)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:00 |
| baoli | Hi everyone. | 13:00 |
| yjiang51 | hi | 13:00 |
| baoli | Hope everyone had a good trip back home | 13:00 |
| irenab | hi | 13:01 |
| beagles | hi | 13:01 |
| BrianB_ | Hi | 13:01 |
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| irenab | I came in 2 days delay... | 13:01 |
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| baoli | irenab, why was your flight getting cancelled? | 13:01 |
| yjiang51 | irenab: 2 days delay? are you also american airline? | 13:02 |
| irenab | yes :-) | 13:02 |
| irenab | never again,,, | 13:02 |
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| irenab | it was bead weather in Philadephia and weather radar not working on the plain | 13:03 |
| beagles | wow | 13:03 |
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| irenab | But at least finally I am back, a little sick though | 13:03 |
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| irenab | sorry for not having progress on the spec, hope to catch up tomorrow and push for review | 13:04 |
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| baoli | Irenab, wish you a quick recovery. | 13:05 |
| heyongli | hello, sorry late | 13:05 |
| irenab | baoli: thanks | 13:05 |
| baoli | let's get started with the nova-spec | 13:05 |
| baoli | #topic sriov nova-spec | 13:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "sriov nova-spec (Meeting topic: PCI passthrough)" | 13:05 | |
| baoli | irenab, do you need me to edit the spec? | 13:05 |
| baoli | heyongli, hi | 13:06 |
| irenab | baoli: if you have time today, please do and let me know. I hope can get to it tomorrow | 13:06 |
| heyongli | hi | 13:06 |
| baoli | irenab, sure, let me start it today, then | 13:06 |
| irenab | baoli: fine, let me know by the end of the day if I can assist further | 13:06 |
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| baoli | irenab, I think initially I will just use the etherpad's contents. the current spec has much more. | 13:07 |
| baoli | so the goal is to make it contain what we have discussed to deliver and hopefully to get it approved soon | 13:08 |
| beagles | +1 | 13:09 |
| heyongli | sure | 13:09 |
| irenab | baoli: agree, please us the spec we already have, just remove all unneeded content for now | 13:09 |
| baoli | irenab, will do. | 13:09 |
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| baoli | Please take a look at the update once it's pushed up. And if everyone is ok with it, we should contact the cores for approval. | 13:11 |
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| heyongli | ok | 13:11 |
| irenab | baoli: sure | 13:11 |
| sadasu | sure | 13:12 |
| baoli | Cool | 13:12 |
| irenab | any other topics we want to cover today? | 13:12 |
| baoli | irenab, yes. let's talk about the real work | 13:12 |
| baoli | #topic nova patches | 13:12 |
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| BrianB_ | Can we talk about baoli patch | 13:13 |
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| irenab | BrianB_: sure | 13:14 |
| sadasu | +1 for cleaning up baoli's patch and posting it for review | 13:14 |
| BrianB_ | irenab, sadasu how has your testing been | 13:14 |
| irenab | sadasu: +1 | 13:14 |
| irenab | BrianB_: faking neutron agent, it did the expected job | 13:15 |
| sadasu | I have been working with baoli's patches in my lab setup and having success with it | 13:15 |
| irenab | so seems that neutron "consumers" are quite satisfied :-) | 13:15 |
| BrianB_ | great so baoli can this be pushed up | 13:16 |
| BrianB_ | to get basic funionality in | 13:16 |
| baoli | BrianB_: yes we can | 13:16 |
| BrianB_ | thanks | 13:17 |
| irenab | baoli, heyongli: need to resolve the white_list/pci_stats modifications | 13:17 |
| heyongli | i like to take it | 13:17 |
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| baoli | irenab, that's what i had wanted to talk about during the summit | 13:18 |
| yjiang51 | baoli: will you split your patch, or simply push it as a big one? | 13:19 |
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| heyongli | split might better | 13:19 |
| irenab | I think we need clarly identify the tasks in the spec, so each one can be picked and pushed as separate patch. It is not mandatory to be done by different people | 13:19 |
| yjiang51 | irenab: +1 | 13:20 |
| baoli | irenab, +1 | 13:20 |
| heyongli | sure | 13:20 |
| baoli | yjiang51, heyongli, we should talk about the changes with the changes in the whitelist | 13:20 |
| heyongli | what's is it? | 13:21 |
| beagles | I haven't gone through all of my email yet (yesterday was a holiday here) - so I'm assuming nobody has done this already, but it just occurred to me that we should've planned on summarizing the outcome and discussions of the summit for those who weren't there. | 13:21 |
| beagles | Might reduce confusion and miscommunication | 13:21 |
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| yjiang51 | heyongli: I think baoli is talking about the pci config white list change on your patch and his patch. | 13:22 |
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| heyongli | ok, what's the concern, baoli? | 13:23 |
| baoli | beagles, I assumed that yjiang51 had talked with heyongli about the summit. If not, we can brief heyongli now | 13:23 |
| heyongli | yes, we did | 13:23 |
| baoli | ok, cool | 13:23 |
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| yjiang51 | heyongli: the signle/multiple tag as discussed yesterday. | 13:23 |
| heyongli | ok, for now only phy netowrk, right? | 13:24 |
| yjiang51 | heyongli: yes | 13:24 |
| baoli | heyongli, it's just the changes we made in that area were quite different. | 13:24 |
| baoli | heyongli, I gave comments to your patches | 13:24 |
| heyongli | recently? | 13:24 |
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| yjiang51 | heyongli: yes, for now only phy network. | 13:27 |
| heyongli | i'm fine with it | 13:27 |
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| irenab | heyongli: can you please briefly describe what is proposed to cover phy net support? | 13:29 |
| heyongli | add tag to whitelist, preset it to pci stats | 13:29 |
| heyongli | do you expect this? | 13:30 |
| irenab | is it same as baoli's suggestion? | 13:31 |
| heyongli | no real conflict actually | 13:31 |
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| heyongli | make sure pci stats contain this tags information, and other information already exist | 13:32 |
| irenab | baoli: Are you ok to go with this? | 13:33 |
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| baoli | irenab, for networking devices, I don't think that we want the vendor_id and product_id in the stats key, if that's what you guys are talking about | 13:34 |
| baoli | if the device is tagged, then the tag is used for stats keys | 13:35 |
| heyongli | does it crash the sriov? | 13:35 |
| baoli | heyongli, can you rephrase? | 13:36 |
| yjiang51 | baoli: as discussed in summit, the pci stats should not block future potential extension, because we need consider upgrade. so we should keep the pci_stats more generic one. I think the first thing for pci_stats is to make it an object, because the compute manager objectify is waiting for it. | 13:36 |
| heyongli | had that information is not stop sriov, and provide extra info for later enhancement maybe | 13:36 |
| baoli | yjiang51, objectifying the pci_stats may be a new BP for it's own. | 13:38 |
| baoli | The change allows multiple tags | 13:38 |
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| baoli | So it doesn't prevent future enhancement such as pci flavor, etc | 13:38 |
| heyongli | image will need that | 13:38 |
| yjiang51 | baoli: Its covered by an existed BP already. If the changes allows multiple tags, it's ok and we can discuss on the review? | 13:39 |
| baoli | yjiang51, which review? | 13:39 |
| baoli | heyongli, other existing scheudler filters should cover the image requirement you brought up | 13:40 |
| yjiang51 | baoli: I assume you will split the patch into multiple one, and then one of them will be changes to pci_stats, right? We can review that patch then. | 13:40 |
| heyongli | other filter never access pci information now | 13:41 |
| baoli | heyongli, so you want to include vid, pid in the stats key as mandatory? | 13:42 |
| yjiang51 | baoli: let's put multiple info implementation aside, and only make sure no blocking for future changes. And also, we should split the patch and push them in parrellel. So that if there are disagreement on one patch, others will continue move forward. | 13:42 |
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| heyongli | +1 | 13:42 |
| baoli | yjiang51, +1 | 13:42 |
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| irenab | shall we discuss alternative time for this meeting? Everyone can make current time slot? | 13:43 |
| baoli | So we'll split my POC up and push them individually? | 13:43 |
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| yjiang51 | baoli: I don't think we can resolve the pci_stats now, but at least we agree wih the white list, and it's a progress now. I had a quick check on the pci_stats part, frankly not quite sure on the changes. If it's splitted, it will be much better. | 13:44 |
| irenab | baoli: I think it may help us to move faster | 13:44 |
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| baoli | cool | 13:45 |
| irenab | baoli: you current POC still good to have as is to progress with neutron side implemention | 13:45 |
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| baoli | So we'll split it up in smaller patches | 13:46 |
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| baoli | And we will review them individually | 13:47 |
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| irenab | so this week, let's focus on the spec | 13:48 |
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| baoli | irenab, yes. let's push it for approval | 13:49 |
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| baoli | Anything else we want to talk about? | 13:49 |
| yjiang51 | baoli: heyongli, for the white list spec, do we still support address regexp? | 13:50 |
| baoli | yjiang51, I'd like to use the lspci format that is known to people | 13:50 |
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| yjiang51 | baoli: I remember someone strongly suggested something like 0000.*.3.*, but forgot who give the request. Does your patch support it? | 13:51 |
| baoli | yjiang51, yes, and it's using the same format as lspci | 13:51 |
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| yjiang51 | baoli: lspci has no regex, right? And what's the exact difference of lspci format and current implementation? I think currently it's also domain:b:d.f in the code. | 13:52 |
| yjiang51 | baoli: asking because seems your patch has no support for widecard etc. Of coruse, we can discuss in the patch review. | 13:53 |
| baoli | yjiang51, take a look at the lspci man page. basically, it allows the use of . and * in individual fields. | 13:53 |
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| baoli | yjiang51, we don't have to reinvent it | 13:54 |
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| yjiang51 | baoli: cool, it's ok only if it's supported. | 13:54 |
| irenab | yjiang51, baoli: if lspci format provides required flexibility, I think its better to follow it | 13:54 |
| baoli | irenab, that's the idea | 13:55 |
| irenab | good | 13:55 |
| irenab | So to summarize, baoli is planning to work on spec today and push if possible, right? | 13:56 |
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| baoli | irenab, yes | 13:56 |
| irenab | irenab to join the effort on spec tomorrow, all to review one pushed. Agree? | 13:56 |
| yjiang51 | irenab: what's next meeting? | 13:56 |
| irenab | next week, smae time? | 13:56 |
| heyongli | irenab, fine | 13:56 |
| baoli | #action baoli pushing the sriov nova-spec update | 13:57 |
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| irenab | yjiang51: can you make this time slotor want alternative time? | 13:57 |
| irenab | ^time slot | 13:58 |
| yjiang51 | irenab: I thought either yongli or me will be in. 6:00 am is still a bit early to me. | 13:58 |
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| baoli | in that case, would 10:00pm too late for yongli? | 13:59 |
| yjiang51 | irenab: I will try, but you know, sometimes alerm does not work as expected. I had 3 alarm this morning. | 13:59 |
| baoli | it is 9pm for him now | 13:59 |
| irenab | yjiang51: :-) | 13:59 |
| yjiang51 | irenab: let' keep this time, and I will try to attend. I hope NFV meeting will replace this one sooon :) | 13:59 |
| yjiang51 | baoli: it's 10:00 pm for yongli already. | 14:00 |
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| heyongli | yeah, now it's 10:00pm | 14:00 |
| baoli | yjiang51, I'm talking about the meeting start time | 14:00 |
| baoli | sorry for the confusion | 14:00 |
| yjiang51 | baoli: :) | 14:00 |
| irenab | ok, so see you next week same time | 14:01 |
| baoli | so, same time next week? | 14:01 |
| yjiang51 | baoli: yes. | 14:01 |
| baoli | thanks everyone. We're making a lot of progress | 14:01 |
| baoli | today | 14:01 |
| baoli | See you next week | 14:01 |
| irenab | thanks! | 14:01 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
| sadasu | thanks all! | 14:01 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: you around for the meeting? | 15:00 |
| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 20 15:00:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 15:00 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 15:00 |
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| flaper87 | adrian_otto: I think you got here 1 hour earlier | 15:00 |
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| adrian_otto | uuuh | 15:01 |
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| flaper87 | Marconi's slot is at 15 UTC | 15:01 |
| adrian_otto | I am in an unfamiliar timezone | 15:01 |
| adrian_otto | sorry about that | 15:01 |
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| flaper87 | adrian_otto: don't worry | 15:01 |
| alcabrera | no worries. :) | 15:01 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 20 15:01:36 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-05-20-15.00.html | 15:01 |
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| adrian_otto | my apologies everyone | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | #startmeeting Marconi Team Meeting | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 20 15:01:55 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
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| flaper87 | adrian_otto: no worries :) | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | #topic Roll Call | 15:02 |
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| kgriffs | o/ | 15:02 |
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| flaper87 | #chair kgriffs | 15:02 |
| Obulpathi | o/ | 15:02 |
| balajiiyer | o/ | 15:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: flaper87 kgriffs | 15:02 |
| sriram | o/ | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: go ahead :) | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 15:02 |
| mpanetta | <-- | 15:02 |
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| flaper87 | first and foremost. It was really great to finally meet you all! | 15:03 |
| kgriffs | yay! | 15:03 |
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| mpanetta | Yes :) | 15:03 |
| tjanczuk | yes! | 15:03 |
| sriram | yes! :) | 15:03 |
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| flaper87 | We need more contributors so we can keep doing the same thing every summit :D | 15:03 |
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| malini | o/ | 15:03 |
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| flaper87 | oooooooooooopsssssssssssssss | 15:03 |
| alcabrera | haha | 15:03 |
| Obulpathi | hahaha | 15:04 |
| megan_w | haha | 15:04 |
| malini | Thank you znc! | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | damnit | 15:04 |
| malini | flaper87: :-P | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | but you just joined | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | znc is not that smart | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:04 |
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| kgriffs | #topic conference retrospective | 15:04 |
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| cpallares | \o/ | 15:05 |
| cpallares | o/ | 15:05 |
| kgriffs | First off, I have to apologize - I haven't had a chance to write up the roadmap we discussed on Friday. I'll get that done today and send an email to the ML. | 15:05 |
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| * ametts thinks kgriffs should run the easel chart through an OCR reader | 15:06 | |
| flaper87 | tjanczuk: we took all those papers w/ us :P | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | tjanczuk: well, I took them down and made kgriffs carry them around :D | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | hahaha | 15:06 |
| kgriffs | tjanczuk: thanks; I've got one too. I'll try to post all the pics of the board as well. | 15:06 |
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| kgriffs | generally speaking, how does everyone feel about the summit? | 15:07 |
| megan_w | in general, there seemed to be confusion in the rest of the community about marconi under/over cloud | 15:07 |
| malini | still on? | 15:07 |
| megan_w | people didn't seem to know if they were suppose to use it between services | 15:07 |
| tjanczuk | I think there was also a bit of confusion around whether Marconi attempts to be the message server for rest of marconi or for end users, or both | 15:07 |
| tjanczuk | sorry, for rest of openstack | 15:07 |
| megan_w | right | 15:07 |
| sriram | yes, The people I talked to at the summit had the same question. | 15:08 |
| kgriffs | that's been a point of confusion for quite a while. We need to clear that up once and for all. | 15:08 |
| Obulpathi | +1 | 15:08 |
| tjanczuk | and the answer is...? | 15:08 |
| megan_w | do we have clarity amongst ourselves yet? | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | I don't think we will | 15:08 |
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| flaper87 | we need to put that in the FAQ (which I think it is) | 15:08 |
| kgriffs | I think an entry on the FAQ and a mention on the home page should help. | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | and point people there | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: >.> | 15:08 |
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| flaper87 | me starts his brain firewall | 15:09 |
| kgriffs | I think it is mentioned in one or two answers in the FAQ | 15:09 |
| kgriffs | but | 15:09 |
| kgriffs | maybe we should call it out specifically as a standalone question? | 15:09 |
| Obulpathi | +1 | 15:09 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: sounds good, I thought it was | 15:10 |
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| kgriffs | #note basically, we should say that is is primarily over cloud but we have requests from people who want to use it as an event aggregator and normilizer | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | We're targetting the over cloud but we're not planning to prevent people to use it in the under cloud | 15:11 |
| kgriffs | I can take a first stab at it. Then I'll need others to help me edit it for clarity. | 15:11 |
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| ametts | +1 | 15:11 |
| megan_w | if its primarily over cloud, then we need to make sure our roadmap isn't filled with aggregator/normalizer items | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: actionize it or it ain't happen :D | 15:11 |
| malini | On tht note, one of TC memebers concern was 'we are not integrated to other products' | 15:11 |
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| flaper87 | megan_w: what aggregators ? you mean the notification? | 15:11 |
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| tjanczuk | So what was the deal with gathering notification requirements from other open stack teams? Isn't that a bit contradictory? | 15:12 |
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| kgriffs | #action kgriffs to address over vs. under cloud in FAQ, mention on home page | 15:12 |
| malini | So probably we shud clarify tht it is not our intent? | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | To be clear, by under cloud I mean "replacing rabbitmq" | 15:12 |
| megan_w | sorry, i mean we shouldn't focus on features needed for the aggregate and normalize use case | 15:12 |
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| flaper87 | I think it is fair for other projects to consume Marconi (Telemetry, trove, swift, etc) | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | but I don't think Marconi is a drop-in replacement for rabbitmq in openstack | 15:13 |
| megan_w | got it | 15:13 |
| ametts | flaper87, kgriffs: Should we clarify our AMQP plans wrt to not "replacing rabbmq"? | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | I don't think so either, but it may make sense in a complimentary role | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | ametts: I'll try to make that clear in the FAQ | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | ok, lets move on | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | besides that, I think the summit was very positive for marconi | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | community wise and project wise | 15:14 |
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| malini | w.r.t QA, we need to refactor the functional tests to be Tempest friendly | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | #info I started this thread: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-May/035341.html | 15:15 |
| malini | The neutron folks have a POC | 15:15 |
| Obulpathi | POC? | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | malini: what does that mean? We should probably discuss it further off-line | 15:15 |
| malini | flaper87: sure | 15:15 |
| abettadapur | proof of concept | 15:15 |
| ametts | flaper87: Can you really call it a thread if yours is the only message? :) | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | not sure why tempest needs us to refactor our functional tests | 15:15 |
| Obulpathi | abettadapur: thanks | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | ametts: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL | 15:16 |
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| kgriffs | megan_w: I think that much of what people will want to do with notifications in the overcloud will apply to the internal notifications use cases; let's see how much we can accomplish with the same code | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | ametts: a hope-for-a-thread | 15:16 |
| malini | flaper87: tempest doesnt need us to..But will help us avoid some duplication of effort | 15:16 |
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| megan_w | sounds good | 15:16 |
| malini | flaper87: it'll be using tempest http libs etc. | 15:16 |
| malini | flaper87: lets chat more in #openstack-marconi | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | malini: mmmh, that alone scares the hell out of me | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | malini: sure | 15:17 |
| malini | flaper87: me too :D | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | next topic ? | 15:17 |
| kgriffs | #action kgriffs to document roadmap and send to ML for feedback | 15:18 |
| kgriffs | #topic Change the program name | 15:18 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: project* | 15:19 |
| kgriffs | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-scratch | 15:19 |
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| kgriffs | so, we need a new "code name" | 15:19 |
| kgriffs | after we figure that out, we also need a new "regular" name | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | Program: Queuing, Project: Marconi. We're discussing Marconi now, right? | 15:20 |
| megan_w | any sort of theme we want to portray in our name? | 15:21 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: right, Marconi | 15:21 |
| malini | do we need something tht will encompass notifications too? | 15:21 |
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| kgriffs | swift, sahara, nova, etc. don't have much to do with what their projects actually do. let's not try too hard. | 15:24 |
| notmyname | (marconi is a really great name for a system that broadcasts messages to listeners) | 15:25 |
| notmyname | kgriffs: also, are you saying swift is slow?!?!? ;-) | 15:25 |
| kgriffs | notmyname: that's *precisely* what I was implying. :) | 15:26 |
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| kgriffs | unfortunately, someone owns the Marconi trademark... | 15:26 |
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| malini | will somebody do the vetting tht our new name wont have legal issues too? | 15:26 |
| megan_w | yes | 15:26 |
| megan_w | i'll do that | 15:26 |
| megan_w | marketing recommended we come up with three options and submit them for legal review | 15:27 |
| malini | great! | 15:27 |
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| kgriffs | take your pick | 15:28 |
| kgriffs | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rivers_in_India | 15:28 |
| malini | kgriffs: which of those can you remember the easiest? | 15:28 |
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| notmyname | carrier (as in pigeon), {copper | fiber} (as in what carries messages), express (as in the pony express) | 15:28 |
| malini | qn open to all non-Indians | 15:28 |
| malini | notmyname: Cuprum | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | copper | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | hmmm | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | not bad | 15:29 |
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| megan_w | yeah, i like copper too | 15:30 |
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| malini | Can we call it Cuprum ? the Latin name http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper | 15:31 |
| mpanetta | Hmm | 15:31 |
| malini | we are too creative with names! | 15:31 |
| Obulpathi | Cuprum +1 | 15:32 |
| tjanczuk | In Polish, "Cuprum" has a very close connotation to the end of the intestinal tract opposite of mouth. But I can survive it. | 15:32 |
| kgriffs | ROFL | 15:32 |
| vkmc | lol | 15:33 |
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| kgriffs | tjanczuk: what is | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | people, lets get some votes on the etherpad | 15:33 |
| kgriffs | "river" in polish? | 15:33 |
| tjanczuk | rzeka | 15:33 |
| megan_w | ok, why don't we pick one "river" name, one message carrier name, and maybe one more | 15:33 |
| malini | tjanczuk: we definitely dont want Cuprum, in tht case | 15:33 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: let's get a final, master list. | 15:33 |
| megan_w | then if legal says they are all free, we can do a vote | 15:33 |
| kgriffs | Let me make a new list at the bottom. Everyone put your 2 favorites on it | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | yup, that's what I meant. I put some +1 on the ones I like | 15:33 |
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| tjanczuk | One last one: tamtam. It is used for sending signals. and as far as I can tell it is trademark free. | 15:34 |
| abettadapur | river = rzeka(polish) = rio(spanish) ... | 15:34 |
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| malini | I like tamtam | 15:35 |
| cpallares | Zaqar = messaging god in Mesopotamian mythology | 15:36 |
| megan_w | cpallares: thats cool | 15:36 |
| mpanetta | Oh sweet | 15:36 |
| alcabrera | Zaqar, nice | 15:36 |
| mpanetta | There is a messaging god? hah that is cool. | 15:36 |
| sriram | Zaqar sounds really cool! | 15:36 |
| kgriffs | hmm | 15:37 |
| kgriffs | rio | 15:37 |
| kgriffs | not bad either | 15:37 |
| megan_w | ok, are we cool with submitting copper, raven, and zaqar? | 15:37 |
| kgriffs | but, probably trademarked all over the place | 15:37 |
| malini | how do u pronous Zaqar? | 15:38 |
| megan_w | or do we want to keep it open a while longer? | 15:38 |
| AAzza | how zaqar is pronaunced?) | 15:38 |
| malini | pronounce* | 15:38 |
| malini | hard via IRC :D | 15:38 |
| megan_w | zah-car? | 15:38 |
| mpanetta | I am guessing like za car? | 15:38 |
| abettadapur | za - kar? | 15:38 |
| malini | AAzza: same concern | 15:38 |
| mpanetta | yeah | 15:38 |
| tjanczuk | Did anyone think of putting up to to a vote via twtpoll? | 15:38 |
| malini | Tamtam will work well with notifications too https://www.google.com/search?q=Tamtam&es_sm=91&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=-3Z7U-PlEY2VqAbwuYHgDw&ved=0CEMQsAQ&biw=1152&bih=551 | 15:39 |
| abettadapur | people seem to like naav | 15:39 |
| malini | I dont like how it sounds :( | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | naav FTW | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:40 |
| megan_w | ok, copper, naav, zaqar? | 15:40 |
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| flaper87 | megan_w: looks like, I like those 3 | 15:40 |
| alcabrera | "nube" would amuse me greatly | 15:40 |
| malini | Tamtam & Zaqar are tied megan_w | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | and sounds like folks do too | 15:40 |
| alcabrera | megan_w: yup | 15:40 |
| megan_w | we could always submit 5 and then vote after legal reviews them | 15:40 |
| malini | except someone rigged the vote for Zaqar | 15:40 |
| mpanetta | alcabrera: nube? | 15:41 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: how do you pronounce nube? | 15:41 |
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| * cpallares reads it as noob | 15:41 | |
| alcabrera | nube -> cloud (spanish) | 15:41 |
| alcabrera | noo-beh | 15:41 |
| cpallares | ah | 15:41 |
| mpanetta | Ah! | 15:41 |
| abettadapur | hehe | 15:41 |
| abettadapur | lack of language context there | 15:41 |
| alcabrera | :) | 15:41 |
| kgriffs | meldung | 15:41 |
| kgriffs | = message in German | 15:41 |
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| malini | kgriffs: sounds a lil yuck | 15:41 |
| cpallares | LOL | 15:41 |
| kgriffs | lol | 15:41 |
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| kgriffs | mell-doong | 15:41 |
| malini | not so bad now | 15:42 |
| megan_w | time check... 19 minutes left in meeting | 15:42 |
| flaper87 | oooook, I guess we have our options | 15:42 |
| flaper87 | megan_w: btw, thanks a lot :) | 15:42 |
| kgriffs | but yeah, nobody will know how to say it right | 15:42 |
| kgriffs | megan_w: if they will check 5, let's do that | 15:42 |
| mpanetta | That is half the fun heh | 15:42 |
| megan_w | cool | 15:42 |
| megan_w | i'll take this from here then | 15:42 |
| kgriffs | #action megan_w to check trademarks for our shortlist of names | 15:42 |
| kgriffs | #topic open discussion | 15:43 |
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| tjanczuk | I'd like to touch on AMQP, in particular 0.9 vs 1.0 | 15:43 |
| flaper87 | I want to propose changing the "Open Discussion" topic with "Open Party" | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | tjanczuk: shoot | 15:44 |
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| tjanczuk | I think someone mentioned during the summit there was some community feedback gathered around this? Can you point me to it? | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | tjanczuk: it was probably me, I'll get the emails from the mailing list | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | there are also IRC logs from oslo meetings | 15:45 |
| flaper87 | and well, the session we had last week at the summit | 15:45 |
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| tjanczuk | During the session I felt I did not have the data you did, hence my question now. | 15:45 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: maybe you can do a summary and include that on a wiki page for the AMQP driver blueprint? | 15:45 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: sounds like a good thing to have | 15:46 |
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| kgriffs | flaper87: is there a blueprint yet? | 15:46 |
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| flaper87 | tjanczuk: sure, probably because I've been working closely in the amqp 1.0 implementation. I'll make sure you get the same info I have | 15:46 |
| flaper87 | (which is all up there) | 15:47 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: I believe so, 2 secs | 15:47 |
| tjanczuk | What AMQP 1.0 product are you planning to use? | 15:47 |
| kgriffs | #action flaper87 to summarize 0.9 vs. 1.0 discussion in the context of openstack, add to AMQP driver bp, send to ML | 15:47 |
| flaper87 | I'm planning to use a amqp1.0 library. It's called qpid-proton | 15:47 |
| flaper87 | it can target any broker supporting amqp1.0 | 15:47 |
| tjanczuk | Does this implement the actual broker logic, or is this a client lib? | 15:48 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/storage-amqp | 15:48 |
| flaper87 | client library | 15:48 |
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| flaper87 | The broker can be: rabbit+plugin, qpid, apollo, activemq, or even qpid-dispatch with a mix of brokers | 15:48 |
| flaper87 | well, I wouldn't recommend mixing them but, just sayin' | 15:49 |
| tjanczuk | I see. Would this implementation come with a recommendation for an actual broker to use? I think TC's expectation after the Mongo feedback was that there is an actual software stack that is a viable alernative. | 15:49 |
| flaper87 | tjanczuk: it'll likely be rabbit or qpid | 15:49 |
| tjanczuk | rabbit's amqp 1.0 implementation is a toy. | 15:50 |
| tjanczuk | So that would make it qpid? If you were deploying it for your mother, what would you use? | 15:50 |
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| flaper87 | tjanczuk: I know, but it's still there. Rabbit and qpid are both supported by the community | 15:50 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: can you bring this up with Devandanda and also post our plan to the ML? I would like operators to chime in before we commit. | 15:51 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: I can but this has already been discussed community wise. The same library is being used for oslo.messaging | 15:52 |
| tjanczuk | Basically I am concerned with this picture: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=rabbitmq%2C%20qpid&cmpt=q | 15:52 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: is oslo messaging going to remove support for 0.9 then? | 15:52 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: not remove support for 0.9 but it'll support 1.0 | 15:52 |
| tjanczuk | To me this is one data point about what community at large is using. | 15:52 |
| tjanczuk | It also cannot be ignored that OpenStack project generally use Rabbit. | 15:53 |
| flaper87 | tjanczuk: TBH, that says pretty much nothing to me. We've the same in openstack. 80% of the community is using rabbit and the rest is using qpid. However, they both have serious issues | 15:53 |
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| tjanczuk | I am having a hard time with 80% of community using rabbit and at the same time requesting something else. | 15:55 |
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| flaper87 | I'd like to check w/ folks in the rabbitmq team and get feedback from them about the amqp 1.0 support. Nontheless, I don't think supporting an 0.9 driver in the code base is the right thing to do | 15:55 |
| flaper87 | tjanczuk: I didn't say the 80% of the community want's amqp 1.0 | 15:55 |
| flaper87 | wants* | 15:55 |
| tjanczuk | I understand you didn't. So what did the community actually say? | 15:56 |
| kgriffs | if we make a really awesome Redis driver, then people who don't want AGPL can use that if they don't want to deal with AMQP 1.0 | 15:56 |
| kgriffs | but that will still leave some subset | 15:56 |
| kgriffs | ...of operators who want to deploy Marconi on AMQP and are invested in Rabbit | 15:57 |
| tjanczuk | From the deployment perspective this is another product to deploy, maintain, and have a know-how about, regardless if this is redis or amqp 1.0 product. | 15:57 |
| vkmc | talking about this, I would appreciate your comments on which storage backend you would like to see supported by Marconi... I've wrote a small list with the candidates here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/storage-backend-marconi | 15:57 |
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| flaper87 | openstack deployments already have a broker deployed | 15:58 |
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| tjanczuk | ... and that is not an amqp 1.0 product in most cases. it is rabbit. | 15:58 |
| kgriffs | tjanczuk: yes, some operators have that concern. Others don't worry so much about adding Redis, since it is already pretty commonly used in app development... also should be more common once we add support for redis to keystone middleware via oslo.cache | 15:58 |
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| kgriffs | hard to please everyone. :p | 15:58 |
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| flaper87 | every openstack module has a minimum requirement. Either it is a broker, database, cache system etc | 15:59 |
| kgriffs | vkmc: let's chat in #openstack-marconi | 15:59 |
| flaper87 | they're not for free | 15:59 |
| tjanczuk | Don't get me wrong, I am not pushing against amqp 1.0 if that is what folks want, I just want to understand the rationale. is this community? Is this technical? Or is this something written between the lines? | 15:59 |
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| flaper87 | tjanczuk: I believe is both | 15:59 |
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| vkmc | kgriffs, sure! | 16:00 |
| flaper87 | It's* | 16:00 |
| flaper87 | time's up guys | 16:00 |
| flaper87 | great meeting | 16:00 |
| alcabrera | yup | 16:00 |
| flaper87 | Thanks everyone! | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | I'll try to get some feedback on AMQP 1.0 from Rackspace ops | 16:00 |
| Obulpathi | Thanks and nice meeting you all at the summit | 16:00 |
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| kgriffs | #action kgriffs, megan_w to get some feedback on AMQP 1.0 from Rackspace ops | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 20 16:01:02 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi_team_meeting/2014/marconi_team_meeting.2014-05-20-15.01.html | 16:01 |
| tjanczuk | thanks! | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi_team_meeting/2014/marconi_team_meeting.2014-05-20-15.01.txt | 16:01 |
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| vkmc | thanks! o/ | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi_team_meeting/2014/marconi_team_meeting.2014-05-20-15.01.log.html | 16:01 |
| kgriffs | who's got the minutes? | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto1 | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 20 16:01:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto1 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum Our Agenda | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto1 | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
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| paulmo | Paul Montgomery | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto1 | Adrian Otto | 16:01 |
| ravips | Ravi Sankar | 16:01 |
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| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 16:01 |
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| aratim | Arati | 16:03 |
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| funzo | Chris Alfonso | 16:04 |
| ewindisch | Eric Windisch (spectating?) | 16:04 |
| paulczar | Paul Cz | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | hi Eric. Welcome. | 16:04 |
| danpb | Daniel Berrange | 16:04 |
| s1rp | Rick Harris | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | I'm going to wait just a bit longer for additional attendees,a s we have some policy decisions to make | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | hi s1rp! | 16:05 |
| s1rp | howdy! | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | hi danpb | 16:06 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: could you please post the agenda link | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum Our Agenda | 16:06 |
| tomblank | tom blankenship | 16:06 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: thanks! | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, let's begin | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | There is now an openstack-containers team, and #openstack-containers. For more information: | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Teams/Containers | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | I urge you to attend. The initial meeting schedule is like solum, but on alternating weeks | 16:08 |
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| devkulkarni | Is this happening today in the evening (CST)? | 16:09 |
| noorul | Noorul Islam | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | yes, 2200 UTC | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | welcome noorul | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, any other announcements from team memebers? | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | (none) | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | #topic PTL Election Discussion | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | we are at the point in time where we need to decide how to proceed with a PTL election | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | our ofunding members of Solum requested a lightweight governance process. We have avoided making anything more complicated than contributors want. | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | so, we don't have a procedure for handling an election | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | I wanted input from the contributors on how we should address this. | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | here are some declarations that I think nobody will object to: | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | 1) The definition of the electorate: | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | The electorate is comprised of all individuals who made contributions to Solum during the 2014.01.01 release (concurrent with OpenStack Icehouse). | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | 2) Candidacy | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | Candidates may send an email to openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org with the subject [Solum] Solum PTL Candidacy | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | we should put a deadline to determine when any new candidates must declare condidacy | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | are we all in agreement so far, or should we discuss the above? | 16:13 |
| funzo | seems to make sense | 16:13 |
| muralia | I'm good so far | 16:13 |
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| devkulkarni | typically how much time is set aside for this in OpenStack projects? | 16:13 |
| paulmo | Agree | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: a couple of weeks is typical | 16:14 |
| noorul | +1 | 16:14 |
| tomblank | +1 | 16:14 |
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| ewindisch | it was only one week this time around for candidacy and another week for the elections themselves | 16:14 |
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| paulmo | I assume there is a prescribed OpenStack election process for core projects, why not follow a similar model? | 16:14 |
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| muralia | paulmo +1 | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | paulmo: good question | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | that requires a secret ballot system | 16:15 |
| ewindisch | I’d argue that teh electorate should also be foundation members, but that is probably implicit by being a contributor? | 16:15 |
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| adrian_otto | which we don't have access to, unless I ask for special permission to use it. | 16:15 |
| muralia | can we create an anonymous poll? | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | ewindisch: my definition of the electorate is consistent with the OpenStack definition. You have to be an ATC on the project to vote for the PTL. | 16:16 |
| muralia | using the same site we use for other polls | 16:16 |
| ewindisch | adrian_otto: I believe they simply use this tool: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/ | 16:16 |
| ewindisch | (it’s open and public) | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so let's take the points one at a time | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | is a June 2nd deadline for candidates reasonable? | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | any objections to a #agreed on that date? | 16:17 |
| paulmo | That seems like plenty of time | 16:17 |
| muralia | +1 | 16:17 |
| aratim | +1 | 16:17 |
| paulczar | heaps of time, I would suggest shorter … i.e. by next meeting | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | ok, good. | 16:17 |
| tomblank | paulczar: +1 i think 1 week to declare is sufficient | 16:17 |
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| adrian_otto | any objections to May 26th, one day prior to our May 27 meeting? | 16:18 |
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| devkulkarni | June 2nd is good | 16:18 |
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| devkulkarni | -1 to next week as some of our cores are missing from todays meeting (don't know if that matters) | 16:18 |
| paulmo | May 26 is a holiday right? I think we may need a bit more time especially for those not able to attend this meeting. | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | the only drawback to a later date that I can see is that if another PTL prevails, that he/she would have a shorter term than 6 months. | 16:19 |
| noorul | devkulkarni: I think this will be announced in ML | 16:19 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: oh I see. you have a point.. | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | but it's already eating into the time of a second term, so I'm not sure that another week would be a big deal. | 16:19 |
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| noorul | devkulkarni: So they will anyhow get a chance to see it | 16:19 |
| danpb | paulmo: yes, May 26 is a holiday in some countries | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so let's settle on June 2, understanding the drawback | 16:20 |
| devkulkarni | ok, cool. | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | any objections? | 16:20 |
| devkulkarni | none from me | 16:20 |
| gokrokve | no | 16:21 |
| noorul | no | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | #agreed 2014-06-02 at 00:00 UTC will be the deadline for Solum PTL candidates | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | next point... | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | 3) Election Official | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | I would like to appoint an election official to run the election | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | my thought is that I will ask a favor from one of the previous openstack election officials | 16:21 |
| noorul | +1 | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | if I am unable to get an agreement from one of them, then I will make a proposal at our may 27th meeting | 16:22 |
| devkulkarni | +1 btw, what are this persons typical responsibilities? | 16:22 |
| muralia | that sounds good. | 16:22 |
| gokrokve | +! | 16:22 |
| gokrokve | +1 | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: verrify the candidates and voters are ATC's on Solum | 16:22 |
| tomblank | +1 | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | and to make sure that nothing shady ahs happened with respect to collecting or counting votes | 16:22 |
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| adrian_otto | so we are selecting someone we feel we can trust to perform that function | 16:23 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: thanks | 16:23 |
| funzo | adrian_otto: that rules me out ;) | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | another option is that I could act as the official, but I don't like that option as much because I don't want any appearance of conflict of interest | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | any objections to the approach of finding an external election official who has served this role before? | 16:24 |
| devkulkarni | yes, that will create conflict-of-interests | 16:24 |
| devkulkarni | no objections | 16:24 |
| funzo | the official is responsible for selecting the polling tool, or is http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/ just a given | 16:24 |
| tomblank | adrian_otto: no objections | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | funzo: yes! | 16:24 |
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| ewindisch | +1 on http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/ | 16:25 |
| muralia | +1 | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | #agreed adrian_otto will appoint an election official to select a polling tool, and conduct an election, as needed to select our next PTL. Solum team suggests: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/ as the polling tool. Suitable candidates are ones who have acted as OpenStack election officials in the past. | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | ok, next point... | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | Election Rules | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | 4) Election Rules | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | The candidate with the largest number of votes prevails as the new PTL, as confirmed by the election official. | 16:26 |
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| adrian_otto | any objections to that one? | 16:26 |
| devkulkarni | how to break ties? | 16:27 |
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| adrian_otto | good question devkulkarni | 16:27 |
| muralia | :) | 16:27 |
| ewindisch | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TieBreaking | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | we would need to repeat the election, I suppose in a runoff | 16:27 |
| paulmo | rock paper scissors spock lizard? :) | 16:27 |
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| funzo | coin-toss | 16:28 |
| funzo | nice | 16:28 |
| devkulkarni | ewindisch: :) | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so can we agree to the same tie breaking procedure? | 16:28 |
| devkulkarni | fine with me | 16:29 |
| muralia | +1 :) | 16:29 |
| tomblank | +1 | 16:29 |
| james_li | +1 | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | #agreed in the event of the tie, the election official shall use the tie breaking procedure described at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TieBreaking | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | ok, next point... | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | if there are no other candidates proposed, should we bother to hold an election at all, or just skip it? | 16:29 |
| paulczar | +1 skip | 16:30 |
| devkulkarni | skip it | 16:30 |
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| tomblank | skip it... | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | or just extend the term of the current PTL, and revisit the election at the next release cycle. | 16:30 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, any opposing viewpoints? | 16:30 |
| devkulkarni | that would be the case right? | 16:30 |
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| devkulkarni | no | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | yes, I will serve as PTL until another is elected to replace me | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | I am willing. | 16:30 |
| muralia | yes, we should extend | 16:31 |
| paulmo | 0 candidates = current PTL continues, 1 candiate = no election, new candidate is PTL | 16:31 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, good | 16:31 |
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| adrian_otto | #agreed 0 new candidates = current PTL continues, 1 candiate = no election, new candidate is PTL | 16:31 |
| noorul | ok | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | next point | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | am I required to declare a candidacy as an incumbant? | 16:32 |
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| paulczar | adrian_otto: yes I think so | 16:32 |
| muralia | yes | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | so if at 2014-04-01 23:59 another candidate surfaces, am I displaced? | 16:32 |
| ewindisch | no, PTLs step down from time to time. It isn’t required that you continue | 16:32 |
| muralia | no, then we have 2. so there will be an election | 16:32 |
| devkulkarni | yeah, then there is an election | 16:33 |
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| aratim | +1 on having an election | 16:33 |
| paulczar | adrian_otto: would you not stand if there’s another cantidate ? | 16:33 |
| paulczar | I think you should | 16:33 |
| paulczar | unless you don’t want to be | 16:33 |
| ewindisch | that is, it’s your choice to stand or not stand. | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | ok, this is clear, we can advance to the next point... | 16:33 |
| paulmo | Out of curiosity, is there a core OpenStack project PTL term limit? | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | actually that was the last on this subject | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | paulmo: no term limits | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | it's driven by the choice of the electorate,a dn the willingness of the candidate to continue | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | if I am suddenly unable to continue as PTL for any reason, I'd like the core reviewers to elect an appointed substitute until an election can be held. | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | can we agree to that? | 16:35 |
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| paulczar | agreed | 16:35 |
| muralia | +1 | 16:36 |
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| devkulkarni | makes sense to me. at that point we would just request the substitute to announce the candidacy and follow the procedure probably? | 16:36 |
| tomblank | +1 | 16:36 |
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| adrian_otto | #agreed if the PTL is unable to finish his/her term the core reviewer team shall elect a pro-tem PTL to serve until the election procedure can be carried out. | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | that way we have continuity of leadership, and democratic election of a successor | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | ok, we are at the end of this topic | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | sorry for the formality around this | 16:37 |
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| adrian_otto | I will take an action item to post these decisions on our wiki for future reference, and to arrange an election official. | 16:38 |
| devkulkarni | thanks for doing all this in an open manner | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | #adrian_otto arrange an election official to serve int he event we require a PTL election | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | #adrian_otto to announce open call for PTL candidates | 16:38 |
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| adrian_otto | #adrian_otto to publish election policy and rules to the Solum Wiki page (new sub-page) | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | we can ratify that next week prior to any election | 16:39 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Review Design Summit | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | First of all I want to thank everyone for making the trip to Atlanta | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | this was an important milestone for our project, and I am very proud to represent all of the work we have done together | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | in our agenda, I called attention to 3 focus areas for the Juno release | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | 1) Pipeline | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/Pipeline Pipeline Proposal | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | 2) Evironments | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/Environments Environments Proposal | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | 3) Flesh out features shown in the Demo | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://vimeo.com/94905913 Solum Demo Video | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | we now have a responsibility to deliver on the future vision we have shared with our community | 16:42 |
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| adrian_otto | we were well represented in a number of different venues at the summit, and a large number of Stackers have seen the demo video | 16:43 |
| devkulkarni | Here is the etherpad with various points discussed during the half-day design workshop on Wednesday: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SolumSummitAgenda | 16:43 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SolumSummitAgenda Solum Design Session Notes | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | thanks devkulkarni | 16:44 |
| devkulkarni | I think the wiki pages above might be bit old as compared to the agenda | 16:44 |
| devkulkarni | i.e. the etherpad | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: should we plan to true up the wiki pages with the outcome of our design session? | 16:45 |
| gokrokve | Are there blueprints for these features? | 16:45 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: yes, we should do that | 16:45 |
| devkulkarni | gokrokve: for some, yes. others, we need to create | 16:45 |
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| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to file/update blueprints for Pipeline and Environments | 16:45 |
| gokrokve | devkulkarni: Cool. We need to have quite granular BPs to distribute work. | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | I will tie those to the juno milestone | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | any other thoughts on last week's summit? | 16:46 |
| devkulkarni | gokrokve: yes, we should. once we start creating bps, we should review them for completeness, design, etc. | 16:46 |
| paulczar | it was good to see people were in general a lot more accepting of both Solum and docker | 16:46 |
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| adrian_otto | +1 paulczar | 16:47 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: are we in the open discussion now? | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | not yet | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | we have Review Tasks | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | but I am tempted to skip that, because not much has changed since we have been occupied with the Summit | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | but I will give our team a chance to raise questions about tasks, then open discussion | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Tasks | 16:48 |
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| adrian_otto | #Link https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/2014.1.2 | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/2014.1.2 | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | does anyone have questions or concerns about the current tasks? | 16:48 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: you have the floor | 16:49 |
| devkulkarni | I have a question for us to discuss.. | 16:49 |
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| devkulkarni | From Eric's nova docker presentation, it seemed like heat plugin for docker is a simpler option than nova docker. Why are we not using that? | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: good question. | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | the Heat provider does not have a scheduler like Nova does | 16:50 |
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| adrian_otto | if the Nova Scheduler were abstracted as a separate thing, then the Heat provider could use that | 16:51 |
| ewindisch | devkulkarni: solum’s use-case would require an undercloud running Nova. It could deploy on Ironic or VMs. | 16:51 |
| devkulkarni | but I thought it first selects the VM and then talks to docker daemon on it. VM selection will be done by Nova resource provider in usual manner | 16:51 |
| paulczar | devkulkarni: it would mean that we would need to have VMs with docker driver installed running for each user | 16:51 |
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| ewindisch | devkulkarni: the heat plugin is also relatively new and immature compared to the nova plugin, fwiw | 16:51 |
| devkulkarni | ewindisch: ah okay. | 16:52 |
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| ravips | I could not make it to the summit this time, looked at session notes...there was discussion around project scope for Murano and Solum, can someone give some more insights..will there be an integration with murano in the future? | 16:52 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: we are going to use Murano's heat template generation capabilities to start with | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | ravips: yes, we advanced our clarity on that | 16:53 |
| noorul | gokrokve: Any outcome from Friday's discussion? | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | we see Murano as a source for an application catalog, and potentially something to help with HOT generation | 16:53 |
| devkulkarni | there may be other features around application catalog which Solum *may* need | 16:53 |
| ravips | adrian_otto: devkulkarni : are we going to move from CAMP and will use Heat/TOSCA? | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | the important takeaway form the joint session Heat+Murano+Solum was that each of those projects has no intent to overlap funcitonality | 16:54 |
| gokrokve | noorul: There is an etherpad with the logs. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/9XQ7Q2NQdv | 16:54 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: no decision on that yet.. need to check what Solum wants and what the DSLs of Murano and TOSCA provide in addition to (or different from) the current approach of using Plans | 16:54 |
| noorul | gokrokve: cool | 16:54 |
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| adrian_otto | ravips: the model interpreter will generate the orchestration template, but there will still need to be a way to express the needs of the application in a context that is a higher level that what HOT is intended for. | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | and we would like that to be simple, clean, and elegant | 16:55 |
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| adrian_otto | if CAMP or TOSCA can help with that, great | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | what I care about most is that the user experience for the app developer is really clean | 16:55 |
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| ravips | adrian_otto: devkulkarni : got it, thanks that was helpful | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | only require them to fool with complicated templates when if it's absolutely necessary. | 16:56 |
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| adrian_otto | regardless of the format | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | ok, just a few minutes remaining. | 16:57 |
| TravT | Hey Solum team. | 16:57 |
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| adrian_otto | I look forward to seeing you in the OpenStack Containers Team meeting | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | TravT: hi! | 16:58 |
| TravT | I'm from the Graffiti team. | 16:58 |
| gokrokve | Do we need a meeting with Mistral team? | 16:58 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: is there an agenda for containers meeting? | 16:58 |
| devkulkarni | gokrokve: yes, that would be helpful | 16:58 |
| paulmo | gokrokve: I have a bunch of questions on Mistral | 16:58 |
| devkulkarni | when do they meet? | 16:58 |
| paulmo | I think it would be good | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: I am finalizing it now | 16:58 |
| ravips | gokrokve: thx for the ^^ etherpad link | 16:58 |
| muralia | hi TravT | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers | 16:58 |
| TravT | I know that Adrian expressed some interest in Graffiti and asked if we can review some of your needs. | 16:58 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: thanks! | 16:59 |
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| TravT | To see if Graffiti might be able to help in expressing application requirements for Solum | 16:59 |
| devkulkarni | TravT: could you send us the Graffiti wiki link? | 16:59 |
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| TravT | Sure... | 16:59 |
| devkulkarni | thanks | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | TravT: yes, let's get you on the next meeting agenda to discuss further | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks for attending everyone | 16:59 |
| TravT | That sounds good adrian_otto | 16:59 |
| TravT | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Graffiti/Architecture | 17:00 |
| devkulkarni | TravT: we are in #solum | 17:00 |
| devkulkarni | thanks | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto1 | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 20 17:00:32 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-05-20-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-05-20-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-05-20-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
| sergmelikyan_ | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 20 17:00:37 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sergmelikyan_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
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| sergmelikyan_ | #topic Roll Call | 17:01 |
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| sergmelikyan_ | Serg Melikyan | 17:01 |
| ankurrr | Ankur Rishi | 17:01 |
| sjmc7 | Steve McLellan | 17:01 |
| stanlagun | Stan Lagun | 17:01 |
| iyozhikov | Igor Yozhikov | 17:01 |
| katyafervent | Kate Fedorova | 17:01 |
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| gokrokve | Georgy Okrokvertskhov | 17:01 |
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| akuznetsova_ | Anastasia Kuznetsova | 17:02 |
| sergmelikyan_ | Welcome to Murano weekly meeting :) | 17:02 |
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| katyafervent | Hi guys! | 17:02 |
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| sergmelikyan_ | #topic Action Items Review | 17:02 |
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| dteselkin | Hi | 17:03 |
| gokrokve | Hi. | 17:03 |
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| gokrokve | Dmitry did you start work on MSSQL Cluster porting? | 17:03 |
| sergmelikyan_ | Looks like there are no Action Items from previous meeting | 17:04 |
| gokrokve | We have a customer who wants this.. | 17:04 |
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| sergmelikyan_ | #info no AI from previous meeting | 17:04 |
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| katyafervent | gokrokve, He did, actually we have some issues with AD deployment now | 17:04 |
| dteselkin | gokrokve, yes, but actually I was working on fixing AD issues today. | 17:04 |
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| sergmelikyan_ | #topic BugScrab/BP Review planning | 17:05 |
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| dteselkin | However, this is a requred part of MsSQL cluster anyway | 17:05 |
| sergmelikyan_ | Guys, let's stick to the agenda :) | 17:05 |
| gokrokve | Thanks | 17:05 |
| tsufiev_ | hi there! | 17:05 |
| gokrokve | BP review for which release? | 17:05 |
| gokrokve | Juno M1? | 17:05 |
| sergmelikyan_ | Yes | 17:05 |
| gokrokve | ok | 17:05 |
| sergmelikyan_ | #link http://doodle.com/cqf4biexd45ngi7i - BP Review Doodle | 17:06 |
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| gokrokve | There is a new process in OpenStack to use a repo with specs and do a review in Gerrit. | 17:06 |
| sergmelikyan_ | Please, open this doodle and let me know if you have suggestion with another time, that not mentioned there | 17:06 |
| gokrokve | I think we can adopt this process too. | 17:06 |
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| gokrokve | It allows to keep a history of review and also enables a good communication between team members. | 17:07 |
| sergmelikyan_ | gokrokve: I am not sure - this is very long process. that may work well for Nova, but not for projects that move faster | 17:07 |
| tsufiev_ | gokrokve: is there one single repo for specs of all OS projects? | 17:07 |
| gokrokve | tsufiev_: It is a repo per project | 17:08 |
| katyafervent | Is it UTC format? | 17:08 |
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| katyafervent | let's do Friday | 17:08 |
| sergmelikyan_ | katyafervent: yes | 17:08 |
| sergmelikyan_ | Time in doodle is in UTC, so please add or subtract your timezone difference from UTC | 17:09 |
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| sjmc7 | i can be available whenever | 17:09 |
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| katyafervent | how will we approve the decision? | 17:09 |
| sergmelikyan_ | I will send mail with final date and time to ML | 17:10 |
| katyafervent | Excellent! Should we move on? | 17:10 |
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| sergmelikyan_ | #info will send message with final date & time for BugScrab/BP Review | 17:10 |
| gokrokve | Ok. Do we have a list of BP prepared? | 17:10 |
| sergmelikyan_ | #link http://doodle.com/9yzmx5gpe336ac34 - BugScrub | 17:10 |
| gokrokve | Please make sure we have all BP on launchpad. | 17:11 |
| sergmelikyan_ | Let's do the same for BugScrab doodle. We have no requirement to do this right now, just do not forgot to do this today :) | 17:11 |
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| gokrokve | I will open couple BPs today for a new requested features. | 17:11 |
| sjmc7 | i'll make sure anything i know we'll need has a blueprint by then too | 17:11 |
| gokrokve | I think we need to have bugscrub meeting on regular basis. | 17:12 |
| katyafervent | gokrokve, cool! we have two days to prepare BP list | 17:12 |
| gokrokve | Minimum once a month. | 17:12 |
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| gokrokve | Bi-weekly probably will work fine. | 17:12 |
| katyafervent | +1 we can set first Monday of the month | 17:12 |
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| gokrokve | ok | 17:13 |
| gokrokve | Lets have it on 1st Monday each month. Any objections? | 17:13 |
| sjmc7 | nope, sounds good to me | 17:14 |
| akuznetsova_ | no | 17:14 |
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| tsufiev_ | +1 | 17:14 |
| sergmelikyan_ | #info BugScrab meeting will be held at 1st Monday of the month | 17:14 |
| gokrokve | Cool. Serg, please record this. In a court they say "For the record".... | 17:14 |
| sergmelikyan_ | gokrokve: did it above ^^ :) | 17:15 |
| gokrokve | Thanks | 17:15 |
| sergmelikyan_ | #topic Documentation Status | 17:15 |
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| katyafervent | So the next meeting will be on the 2d of June | 17:16 |
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| katyafervent | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-documentation-status | 17:16 |
| sergmelikyan_ | katyafervent prepered a list of topics that need to be published in our docs ^^^^ | 17:16 |
| tsufiev_ | An error occured while loading the pad | 17:16 |
| sjmc7 | ah, cool. i will see if our team has anything to add to this | 17:16 |
| katyafervent | Here is the link with some points we need to improve, does somebody have something to extend this list? | 17:16 |
| sergmelikyan_ | Any important topic that are not already covered in docs and not in the list above? | 17:17 |
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| sjmc7 | this looks like a good list - the package docs are the most crucial IMO | 17:17 |
| katyafervent | Do I need to create a BP as the result? or file bugs for each point? | 17:17 |
| sergmelikyan_ | sjmc7: it will be very interesting, since guys just starting working on Murano and I think constantly hit some not covered topics | 17:17 |
| sjmc7 | yes. like us :) | 17:18 |
| tsufiev_ | katyafervent: funny, we have docs not listed in this etherpad | 17:18 |
| akuznetsova_ | katyafervent: i think you can create BP, this is not a bug | 17:18 |
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| sergmelikyan_ | Let's go with a BP for new topics and bugs for improvements | 17:18 |
| sergmelikyan_ | #info we will create BP for new topics that needs to be added to the docs and bugs for improvements of existing ones | 17:19 |
| katyafervent | sergmelikyan_, got you | 17:19 |
| tsufiev_ | sergmelikyan_: some improvements are bigger than some new topics :) | 17:19 |
| sergmelikyan_ | tsufiev_: BP vs Bug not measured in a lines of code :) | 17:20 |
| tsufiev_ | that's true )) | 17:20 |
| sergmelikyan_ | #topic Review Roadmap | 17:21 |
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| sergmelikyan_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Murano/Roadmap - Murano Roadmap | 17:21 |
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| sergmelikyan_ | I think this thing better discuss after we will review BP for J1 | 17:22 |
| katyafervent | yes, we did not update it | 17:22 |
| sjmc7 | sergmelikyan_ - yeah, at this point i think we just need to tag blueprints for juno and work from that list | 17:22 |
| sjmc7 | we can do that friday or whenever we decide to do it | 17:23 |
| akuznetsova_ | why don't we have a 0.5.1 in this list? do we plan it? | 17:23 |
| sergmelikyan_ | I suggest to postpone this topic, and return to reviewing our roadmap on BP Review meeting | 17:23 |
| sergmelikyan_ | sjmc7: yes | 17:23 |
| sjmc7 | there are some things on here that are still kind of vague, too | 17:23 |
| sjmc7 | the 'align' ones | 17:23 |
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| sjmc7 | we need to make a decision as soon as we can what will be the state of things for juno | 17:24 |
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| sergmelikyan_ | sjmc7: I think they was created long time ago, and we should break down features to milestones and be more specific | 17:24 |
| sergmelikyan_ | sjmc7: +1 | 17:24 |
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| sergmelikyan_ | any objections about moving discussions of Roadmap review to our BP Review meeting? | 17:25 |
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| sjmc7 | not from me | 17:25 |
| tsufiev_ | no | 17:25 |
| sergmelikyan_ | #info moved discussion of Murano Roadmap to our BP Review meeting | 17:26 |
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| sergmelikyan_ | #topic Planning of Demo | 17:27 |
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| sergmelikyan_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano_demo_plans we have a list of proposed topics for making demo | 17:27 |
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| katyafervent | I guess we should have separate demo on using heat templates as application definition, right? | 17:28 |
| sergmelikyan_ | I suggest to review this list, and add thoughts about what topic will be interesting to cover | 17:28 |
| sjmc7 | for me, 2 3 4 are most useful right now | 17:29 |
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| tsufiev_ | we have already 2 dynamic UI demos for older versions - 0.2 (if i recall correctly) and 0.4 | 17:29 |
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| tsufiev_ | the only change in it since 0.4 is ability to use reference-type to some Application (by its fqn) | 17:30 |
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| sergmelikyan_ | sjmc7: +1, agree topics related to exposing Murano as Application Catalog for OpenStack are most interesting ones from my POV | 17:30 |
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| katyafervent | All our demos should be listed here why it's not listed https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Murano/Screencasts | 17:31 |
| katyafervent | Timur, please add it | 17:31 |
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| tsufiev_ | katyafervent: will do | 17:32 |
| katyafervent | what about new demo for dynamic ui and murano pl object model? | 17:33 |
| sergmelikyan_ | katyafervent: can you shorten this list to ones related directly to AppCatalog functionality and I think it's better to discuss this topic in ML? | 17:33 |
| sergmelikyan_ | gokrokve: what do you think? | 17:33 |
| gokrokve | Good. Heat team might be interested in this demo. | 17:33 |
| sergmelikyan_ | gokrokve: in which one? | 17:34 |
| gokrokve | Dynamic UI | 17:34 |
| katyafervent | what do we need to discuss, we need to record demos! | 17:34 |
| sergmelikyan_ | discuss which one do first $) | 17:34 |
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| gokrokve | Also there was a questions about Ju-ju style UI in Murano. | 17:35 |
| katyafervent | Does anybody want to take a topic and record short video? | 17:35 |
| gokrokve | Which can be reused by other projects. | 17:35 |
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| akuznetsova_ | katyafervent: i want, i signed in the list | 17:35 |
| tsufiev_ | gokrokve: first Ju-ju style should be implemented at least in Murano :) | 17:35 |
| katyafervent | akuznetsova_, Great! | 17:36 |
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| katyafervent | Will we create BP for that ju-ju ui? | 17:36 |
| tsufiev_ | katyafervent: I've added 0.4 dynamic UI demo to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNd3b9CC5mU | 17:36 |
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| tsufiev_ | meant https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Murano/Screencasts | 17:36 |
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| tsufiev_ | katyafervent: sure we can. still there are a couple ui blueprints in drafting/discussion state... | 17:38 |
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| sjmc7 | with the heat-template-as-a-package thing, the heat team will likely be interested in adding functionality to the existing orchestration UI | 17:38 |
| tsufiev_ | e.g. this one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/murano-ui-horizon-patterns | 17:39 |
| tsufiev_ | or this one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/dynamic-ui-v3 | 17:39 |
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| sergmelikyan_ | sjmc7: What functionality? | 17:40 |
| sjmc7 | dynamic UI for heat templates | 17:40 |
| sjmc7 | but i think we've gone a little off topic | 17:41 |
| sergmelikyan_ | sjmc7: they have they own implementation - not sure that our is better | 17:41 |
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| sjmc7 | ok | 17:41 |
| katyafervent | I think we need to record first 4 demos | 17:42 |
| sergmelikyan_ | There was a suggestion to have cross-project group to work on UI, we will explore this on the next meeting I believe. | 17:42 |
| katyafervent | If somebody has nothing else to add. | 17:42 |
| sergmelikyan_ | tsufiev_: I suggest you to read through etherpad from our Heat/Solum/Murano meeting | 17:42 |
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| sergmelikyan_ | gokrokve: ? Do you agree on list of demos? | 17:43 |
| tsufiev_ | sergmelikyan_: ok | 17:43 |
| gokrokve | Where is the list? | 17:44 |
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| sergmelikyan_ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano_demo_plans | 17:44 |
| sergmelikyan_ | gokrokve: ^^ | 17:44 |
| gokrokve | yes | 17:45 |
| gokrokve | looks good. | 17:45 |
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| sergmelikyan_ | #info https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano_demo_plans - first four items should be done | 17:46 |
| sergmelikyan_ | #topic Open Discussion | 17:46 |
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| sergmelikyan_ | Should we make gate tests voting? | 17:46 |
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| sjmc7 | i discussed this with ruhe last week. if it's practical to make them voting, i'm in favor of it | 17:48 |
| sjmc7 | it depends how stable they are | 17:48 |
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| sjmc7 | and also, i guess, what's common in other projects | 17:49 |
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| gokrokve | Do we have out CI working? Last time it put -1 due to test issues. | 17:50 |
| gokrokve | It is important to have stable gate. | 17:50 |
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| tsufiev_ | i'd like to draw your attention to the drafting dynamic UI v3: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/dynamic-ui-v3 | 17:50 |
| tsufiev_ | it has a link to etherpad inside | 17:50 |
| sergmelikyan_ | I am not sure, I think it is quite stable, but we should wait Ruslan for final call on voting gate | 17:50 |
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| sergmelikyan_ | I think we should make it voting | 17:51 |
| sjmc7 | ok. the gate tests are passing at least for most commits. i can take a look at where they're not | 17:51 |
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| sjmc7 | but agree, it can wait for ruslan to make the call | 17:51 |
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| katyafervent | and they will be fixed quicker :) | 17:51 |
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| tsufiev_ | speaking of that blueprint, we need to gather as much requirements before approving the spec - most probably it won't be backwards compatible with v2 | 17:53 |
| sergmelikyan_ | Ruslan will be available from monday | 17:53 |
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| tsufiev_ | so i encourage you to read it and comment (in launchpad or in etherpad) | 17:54 |
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| sergmelikyan_ | tsufiev_: sure | 17:55 |
| sergmelikyan_ | #endmeeting | 17:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 20 17:56:52 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-05-20-17.00.html | 17:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-05-20-17.00.txt | 17:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-05-20-17.00.log.html | 17:56 |
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| tchaypo | o/ | 18:57 |
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| casanch1 | o/ | 18:58 |
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| tchaypo | Lo peoplemerge | 18:59 |
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| peoplemerge | tchaypo: hey again! Hope your return home was pleasant | 19:00 |
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| lifeless | morning peeps | 19:01 |
| jdob | o/ | 19:01 |
| rpodolyaka1 | o/ | 19:01 |
| giulivo | hi tripleo | 19:01 |
| casanch1 | hello | 19:01 |
| lsmola | hello | 19:01 |
| marios | ~hi | 19:01 |
| dpamio | Hello | 19:01 |
| jistr | o/ | 19:01 |
| GheRivero | Hi TripleO! | 19:01 |
| lifeless | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 20 19:01:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lifeless. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:01 | |
| lifeless | #topic agenda | 19:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:01 | |
| lifeless | bugs | 19:01 |
| lifeless | reviews | 19:01 |
| lifeless | Projects needing releases | 19:01 |
| lifeless | CD Cloud status | 19:01 |
| lifeless | CI | 19:01 |
| lifeless | Insert one-off agenda items here | 19:01 |
| lifeless | open discussion | 19:01 |
| lifeless | any one-off things to add ? | 19:01 |
| tchaypo | I'd like to talk about switching to an alternate time every second week | 19:02 |
| tchaypo | Starting next week maybe | 19:02 |
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| bnemec | o/ | 19:02 |
| lifeless | ok, #topic bugs | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-cloud-config | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:02 |
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| lifeless | its all red :( | 19:03 |
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| pblaho | o/ | 19:04 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: progress! (before it was all untriaged) ;) | 19:04 |
| lifeless | hah | 19:05 |
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| bnemec | That many critical bugs suggests that _nothing_ should be working right now. This makes me think our severity assignments may need tweaking... | 19:05 |
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| lifeless | bnemec: some hp folk spent a huge chunk of last week dealing with nothing working right now :) | 19:06 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar/+bug/1308172 | 19:06 |
| lifeless | has no assignee | 19:06 |
| SpamapS | and arguably.. nothing is working.. :-P | 19:06 |
| SpamapS | CI down.. nothing working :) | 19:06 |
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| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1314021 has a patch needing +A | 19:06 |
| bnemec | I thought CI was up, but R1 was having issues. | 19:06 |
| * bnemec is still catching up after Summit though | 19:07 | |
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| lifeless | R1 has twice-ish the capacity, it being down == huge queues | 19:07 |
| * giulivo got a successful run today at some point though | 19:07 | |
| tchaypo | It sounds like we have a clear focus for everyone for the next couple of days then | 19:07 |
| bnemec | Right, which is _one_ critical bug. :-) | 19:08 |
| greghaynes | A lot of them are bm specific | 19:08 |
| lifeless | do you mean | 19:08 |
| bnemec | (not saying we don't have others - we don't test everything in CI - but I'm skeptical that there are really that many crits still) | 19:08 |
| lifeless | 'on baremetal' | 19:08 |
| greghaynes | yes | 19:08 |
| lifeless | or 'nova-baremetal' | 19:08 |
| greghaynes | on baremetal | 19:08 |
| lsmola | lifeless: I have created same tuskar bug months ago | 19:08 |
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| greghaynes | because theres also the fun ironic ones :) | 19:09 |
| lsmola | lifeless: the solution is to use barbican most probably | 19:09 |
| lifeless | lsmola: that is a tuskar bug :/ | 19:09 |
| SpamapS | https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config/+bug/1299109 can be closed I think | 19:09 |
| lifeless | lsmola: well its marked critical | 19:09 |
| SpamapS | or dropped to Medium | 19:09 |
| jdob | lifeless: the answer to it is gonna change in juno than what it would be in icehouse, can we punt it until then? | 19:09 |
| lifeless | jdob: as a team we're meant to be jumping on criticals | 19:10 |
| jistr | i don't think the tuskar bug is critical tbh | 19:10 |
| lifeless | jdob: if the priority is wrong - fix it | 19:10 |
| slagle | it's a security issue, that's why i filed it as critical | 19:10 |
| slagle | you dont display plain text passwords to users | 19:10 |
| lifeless | jdob: if the priority is right, lets fix it in whatever fashion as soon as possible | 19:10 |
| slagle | if folks disagree, change the priority, but i feel it's a crit | 19:10 |
| lifeless | jdob: in this case, it looks like a hack might work around it in short order | 19:10 |
| lifeless | slagle: I agree with you :) | 19:10 |
| jdob | slagle: I agree with the sentiment, but i suppose I'm questioning calling anything in tuskar icehouse a critical | 19:11 |
| jdob | is anyone actually using it? | 19:11 |
| lifeless | jdob: thats tuskar trunk, no ? | 19:11 |
| jdob | ya | 19:11 |
| lsmola | slagle: I have put it to high, the migration to barbican is planned | 19:11 |
| jdob | slow down there, I wouldn't say a "migration to barbican is planned" | 19:12 |
| lsmola | slagle: there is no quick fix, I tried before | 19:12 |
| jdob | it's being discussed, but to say that's a plan is a bit presumptious | 19:12 |
| lsmola | jdob: well something like that | 19:12 |
| lsmola | jdob: it's the best option so far | 19:12 |
| lifeless | we're going to be passing in passwords forever | 19:12 |
| jdob | ya, but that doesn't equal "planned", but we're off topic for the meting | 19:12 |
| lifeless | for the case where a stack integrates with an existing facility | 19:12 |
| slagle | lsmola: there is always a quick fix :). if 'Password' in ParameterName, display **** | 19:13 |
| lifeless | its not clear to me that barbican helps there, but ^^^ seems doable | 19:13 |
| jistr | slagle: yeah that sounds like the best we can do for now | 19:13 |
| lsmola | slagle: you mean just for CLI? | 19:13 |
| lifeless | FWIW I'd be happier for such a fix to be done and the bug to still be critical :) | 19:14 |
| SpamapS | I missed the link to the bug being discussed | 19:14 |
| jistr | ok i'll take the bug | 19:14 |
| lsmola | slagle: cause we are using Admin Password to connect to Overcloud now | 19:14 |
| jdob | SpamapS: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar/+bug/1308172 | 19:14 |
| slagle | i would say api as well, i dunno, what does Heat do? | 19:14 |
| jistr | ah i see rpodolyaka1 took it | 19:14 |
| SpamapS | Ah. Yeah, don't do that. ;) | 19:14 |
| jistr | ok | 19:14 |
| jdob | heat looks at the no echo attribute | 19:14 |
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| jdob | which we don't have in icehouse | 19:14 |
| jdob | but will for juno | 19:14 |
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| bnemec | Does this help at all? https://github.com/openstack/oslo-incubator/blob/master/openstack/common/log.py#L245 | 19:15 |
| jdob | bnemec: the thing is, there's no inspection done on the config values when they are displayed | 19:16 |
| jdob | not that it couldn't be added | 19:16 |
| jdob | with a quick hack similar to what slagle suggested | 19:16 |
| lsmola | slagle: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar/+bug/1282066 | 19:17 |
| lsmola | slagle: it was discussed before and agreed as a weakness | 19:17 |
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| lsmola | slagle: we are planning to do it properly in Juno | 19:18 |
| lifeless | ok so | 19:18 |
| lifeless | I think the lesson here is | 19:18 |
| lifeless | we should all spend more time looking at criticals | 19:18 |
| lifeless | and asking questions | 19:18 |
| lifeless | because this design discussion could have happened weeks ago :) | 19:18 |
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| jdob | ya, that makes sense | 19:19 |
| lifeless | now looking at the other criticals | 19:19 |
| lifeless | they seem to be things that CI doesn't cover | 19:19 |
| lifeless | e.g. newer versions of rabbit | 19:19 |
| lifeless | or physical hardware issues | 19:19 |
| lifeless | so they may well be critical but untested :(. | 19:19 |
| lifeless | lets circle back to that aspect in the CI segment ? | 19:20 |
| SpamapS | agreed | 19:20 |
| tchaypo | +1 | 19:20 |
| lifeless | #topic reviews | 19:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:20 | |
| lifeless | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html is still sadface | 19:20 |
| lifeless | I know I know there is another thing | 19:21 |
| SpamapS | can we at least acknowledge that http://www.stackalytics.com/report/reviews/tripleo-group/open is more useful than no data at all? | 19:21 |
| SpamapS | http://www.stackalytics.com/report/contribution/tripleo-group/30 too | 19:21 |
| jdob | stats are gonna be a bit goofy this month with summit | 19:21 |
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| SpamapS | Yeah I did like, 5 reviews over the last 10 days | 19:21 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: it is more useful than no data, but is not the data we consult in this part of the meeting | 19:21 |
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| SpamapS | lifeless: it is today. :) | 19:22 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: so its a wash, at best IMO. | 19:22 |
| lifeless | anyhow, we | 19:22 |
| lifeless | we're still under water | 19:22 |
| lifeless | I will look to see if there is a pattern or something today and send mail | 19:22 |
| SpamapS | and it has been far more available than russleb's stats | 19:22 |
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| lifeless | SpamapS: thats all true but doesn't get the since-negative slice that we've been consulting | 19:23 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: so its getting kindof old that you point at it everytime when it doesn't answer the question I'm asking | 19:23 |
| bnemec | http://www.nemebean.com/reviewstats/tripleo-open.html | 19:23 |
| bnemec | I'm only generating the stuff I care about, but I started copying my local stats to a public place. | 19:24 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: "more useful than no data at all?" is the question I ask. | 19:24 |
| lifeless | bnemec: thank you! | 19:24 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: useful enough to look at is the question I'm asking. | 19:24 |
| lifeless | bnemec: maybe we should add that to the wiki page for the meeting | 19:25 |
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| lifeless | anyhow | 19:25 |
| lifeless | 1rd quartile wait time: 1 days, 1 hours, 11 minutes | 19:25 |
| lifeless | Median wait time: 6 days, 9 hours, 49 minutes | 19:25 |
| lifeless | 3rd quartile wait time: 13 days, 5 hours, 46 minutes | 19:25 |
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| bnemec | We should really get reviewstats running in infra... | 19:25 |
| tchaypo | is that wait for comment? | 19:25 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: thats the | 19:25 |
| lifeless | Stats since the last revision without -1 or -2 : | 19:25 |
| bnemec | Lower than I expected right after summit. | 19:26 |
| lsmola | jdob: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027582.html , I think barbican was mentioned here | 19:26 |
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| lifeless | ok so | 19:27 |
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| tchaypo | now that the gate is fixed, i have some reviews which have >=2 +2s and have passed the gate, so I'll bug people about +As for those later | 19:27 |
| lifeless | can we set a group goal? next week, get that 13 days down to 12 ? | 19:27 |
| GheRivero | +2 | 19:27 |
| GheRivero | It should be doable | 19:28 |
| lifeless | #vote group goal - 12 days 3rd quartile wait time for since-negative-review ? | 19:28 |
| lifeless | hmm | 19:28 |
| bnemec | Hmm, some of those look to be WIP. | 19:28 |
| marios | tchaypo: i've come across a bunch of those last few days too | 19:28 |
| bnemec | I wonder if reviewstats is still missing some Gerrit-2.8-isms. | 19:29 |
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| bnemec | Seems like WIP shouldn't count against these stats. | 19:29 |
| lifeless | bnemec: it may be, I agree | 19:29 |
| marios | lots with +2 but not approved waitimg]]ng on tests | 19:29 |
| lifeless | #startvote group goal - 12 days 3rd quartile wait time for since-negative-review ? | 19:29 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: group goal - 12 days 3rd quartile wait time for since-negative-review ? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 19:29 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 19:29 |
| lifeless | #vote yes | 19:29 |
| Ng | #vote yes | 19:29 |
| jdob | #vote yes | 19:29 |
| tchaypo | marios: the gate has been broken, but i believe it got fixed last night | 19:29 |
| jistr | #vote yes | 19:29 |
| GheRivero | #vote yes | 19:29 |
| jprovazn | #vote yes | 19:29 |
| rpodolyaka1 | #vote yes | 19:29 |
| bnemec | #vote yes | 19:29 |
| marios | yes | 19:29 |
| tchaypo | #vote yes | 19:30 |
| slagle | #vote yes | 19:30 |
| marios | #vote yes | 19:30 |
| greghaynes | #vote yes | 19:30 |
| greghaynes | welp, this vote looks like a close one | 19:30 |
| lifeless | #endvote | 19:30 |
| openstack | Voted on "group goal - 12 days 3rd quartile wait time for since-negative-review ?" Results are | 19:30 |
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| lifeless | contentious | 19:30 |
| tchaypo | dammit, I was about to change my vote | 19:30 |
| Ng | results indeed are | 19:30 |
| lifeless | I wonder | 19:30 |
| bnemec | Heh, is the voting case-sensitive? | 19:30 |
| lifeless | #startvote group goal - 12 days 3rd quartile wait time for since-negative-review ? | 19:31 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: group goal - 12 days 3rd quartile wait time for since-negative-review ? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 19:31 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 19:31 |
| lifeless | #vote Yes | 19:31 |
| bnemec | #vote Yes | 19:31 |
| jdob | #vote Yes | 19:31 |
| lsmola | #vote yes | 19:31 |
| Ng | #vote Yes | 19:31 |
| jistr | #vote Yes | 19:31 |
| rpodolyaka1 | #vote Yes | 19:31 |
| jistr | :) | 19:31 |
| lifeless | #endvote | 19:31 |
| openstack | Voted on "group goal - 12 days 3rd quartile wait time for since-negative-review ?" Results are | 19:31 |
| lifeless | nope, just broken :) | 19:31 |
| * jdob anxiously waits for the votes to be reported | 19:31 | |
| lifeless | can someone take an action to file a bug on infra ? | 19:31 |
| lifeless | #topic projects needing releases | 19:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "projects needing releases (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:31 | |
| rpodolyaka1 | I'm ready to help here :) | 19:32 |
| lifeless | Any volunteers? | 19:32 |
| lifeless | sweet | 19:32 |
| lifeless | #action rpodolyaka1 to release the world. | 19:32 |
| lifeless | #topic CD Cloud status | 19:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CD Cloud status (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:32 | |
| lifeless | HP region is in bad shape; SpamapS has details | 19:32 |
| tchaypo | marios: since you have +2, maybe you could hunt down some of them and push them through now? ;) | 19:33 |
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| Ng | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1321434 | 19:33 |
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| marios | tchaypo: sure did a round of recheck no bugs today will chase up tomorrow | 19:33 |
| tchaypo | I'm still unable to get my hpcloud vpn working; I'll follow up about that later today | 19:33 |
| tchaypo | marios: thanks | 19:34 |
| lifeless | neither derekh nor dprince are here | 19:34 |
| lifeless | but AFAIK the RH region is fine | 19:34 |
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| lifeless | #topic CI | 19:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:35 | |
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| lifeless | ok so | 19:36 |
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| lifeless | we were talking about coverage before | 19:36 |
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| lifeless | is there anything we can do to get a wider set of coverage | 19:37 |
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| jistr | get tuskar on par with tripleo-incubator scripts and use tuskar in the CI jobs instead | 19:38 |
| greghaynes | There was a thing brought up at the summit about maybe having a contrib for elements | 19:38 |
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| greghaynes | basically do something about the elements which arent actually tested anywhere and live in t-i-e | 19:39 |
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| lifeless | jistr: that will get tuskar coverage indeed | 19:39 |
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| bnemec | It's a tricky thing to automate coverage of all the elements - we probably can't just build an image with $EVERYTHING. | 19:41 |
| greghaynes | also having fedora test one set of elements thats not necessarially the same as ubuntu was mentioned (e.g. fedora use mariadb and ubuntu use percona) | 19:41 |
| lifeless | so we need functional tests | 19:41 |
| lifeless | e.g. the rabbit latest thing | 19:42 |
| lifeless | thats not failing at build | 19:42 |
| lifeless | its failing at runtime | 19:42 |
| lifeless | dan is very worried about adding width until we've got high reliability of what we have | 19:42 |
| bnemec | Which is a whole other level of complexity. | 19:42 |
| lifeless | derek ran a session on that at the summit | 19:42 |
| lifeless | so perhaps the thing is to help him get that into a spec | 19:43 |
| lifeless | and then pick an item and hack on it ? | 19:43 |
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| bnemec | +1 | 19:43 |
| bnemec | We aren't going to be able to do everything all at once anyway. | 19:44 |
| lifeless | naturally | 19:44 |
| lifeless | anyone care to volunteer to touch base with derek about the specificiation of this ? | 19:44 |
| lifeless | (and help :)) | 19:44 |
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| bnemec | I can get together with him. It's kind of related to my testing stuff anyway. | 19:45 |
| lifeless | cool | 19:45 |
| lifeless | #action bnemec to follow up with derekh on CI improvements + spec | 19:45 |
| lifeless | #topic meeting times | 19:45 |
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| lifeless | tchaypo: you have de floor | 19:46 |
| tchaypo | So, we've had lots of email discussion, we seem to have agreed on a time, I think | 19:46 |
| lifeless | we did? cool. (what was it :)) | 19:46 |
| greghaynes | I think it was midnight PST? | 19:46 |
| greghaynes | which actually is totally fine with me ;) | 19:47 |
| lifeless | great | 19:47 |
| tchaypo | I don't remember, that's why I was being vague - it's about 2 weeks since I looked at the email.. let me dig it up | 19:47 |
| tchaypo | What I was going to ask is if anyone objects | 19:47 |
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| lifeless | tchaypo: so action it - this meeting has less coverage than the list :) | 19:47 |
| tchaypo | and also if anyone knows how to edit the calendar, since it seems to be wrong for other people's meetings as well | 19:47 |
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| tchaypo | yep, 0700UTC is what I suggested, which is midnight PST at the moment | 19:48 |
| tchaypo | Great. I'll go ahead and edit the wiki today and see if I can find someone who knows how to update the calendar | 19:48 |
| lifeless | its a script | 19:49 |
| lifeless | talk to ttx | 19:49 |
| lifeless | #topic open discussion | 19:49 |
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| slagle | lifeless: are you going to run the meeting at both times? | 19:49 |
| * bnemec not attending a 2AM meeting | 19:49 | |
| bnemec | But that's a tradeoff of better international coverage, so no choice really. | 19:50 |
| jprovazn | more feedback on haproxy ports mail (http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-May/034915.html) would be appreciated to get some consensus | 19:50 |
| lifeless | slagle: I hope so, need to check local time and see if its baby bedtime or later | 19:50 |
| lifeless | slagle: if I can't, then e.g. tchaypo or stevenk certainly can | 19:50 |
| slagle | ok, if not, we should have a designated leader i think for the alternate time | 19:50 |
| lifeless | slagle: great point, I agre | 19:50 |
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| marios | lifeless: its time of this meeting +12hrs noif not mistaken | 19:51 |
| giulivo | FWIW we tried alternate meetings in tempest , for me they didn't work very well , people tend to forget about or join only half of the times | 19:51 |
| tchaypo | yeah, #meetbot looks fairly simple to drive | 19:52 |
| tchaypo | but no, it's only 10 hours offset | 19:52 |
| marios | how about alternating the weekly meeting between the 2 slots and have reviews meeting for the other | 19:52 |
| tchaypo | this meeting is UTC1900, the alternate I've suggested is UTC0700 | 19:52 |
| tchaypo | wait, that's 12 hours | 19:52 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: you sure about that ? thats 12 .. | 19:52 |
| marios | though this may just get complicated | 19:52 |
| jdob | not just a matter of driving it, the bot only listens to certain people, no? | 19:53 |
| tchaypo | The whole point is to get a meeting where I need less coffee in order to do simple math... | 19:53 |
| bnemec | The bot listens to whomever started the meeting. | 19:53 |
| bnemec | (I think) | 19:53 |
| jdob | i thought a while ago slagle tried to run one but the bot wouldn't listen and he had to get perms | 19:53 |
| jdob | but i could be totally wrong | 19:53 |
| tchaypo | marios: so you're suggesting have two meetings each week, one of them just for reviews? | 19:54 |
| slagle | you don't need any special perms afaik as long as you're the one to #startmeeting | 19:54 |
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| jdob | gotcha, ignore me then | 19:54 |
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| marios | tchaypo: well yeah if we want to alternate the actual meeting time then we have an extra slot each week | 19:55 |
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| marios | tchaypo: vs just duplicating this meeting into 2 slots | 19:55 |
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| tchaypo | So this meeting's agenda would be the same but minus reviews, and we'd have an hour to go over the review stats? | 19:56 |
| lifeless | uhm | 19:56 |
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| lifeless | so whats the benefit of two meetings a week? We don't usually run out of time :) | 19:57 |
| slagle | i *think* marios was suggesting a meeting to go over reviews like ironic did for a while | 19:57 |
| Ng | Is there a way to get meeting logs emailed to yourself? I'm unlikely to make the alt time :) | 19:57 |
| marios | tchaypo: not stats.i mean actually attack a queue of reviews and discus/resolve in place | 19:58 |
| slagle | which actually, i don't really want to do, b/c i don't think our reviews are really all that contentious. most of the time :) | 19:58 |
| tchaypo | ng: yes, go to the page, copy, paste... | 19:58 |
| Ng | ;) | 19:58 |
| giulivo | I'd +1 Ng's idea if we are to run with alternate | 19:58 |
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| giulivo | maybe I can check that | 19:58 |
| tchaypo | marios: it;s not clear to me what we'd gain over just doing them in-channel whenever they come up | 19:59 |
| Ng | It might make sense for the prettified meeting logs to get mailed to -dev | 19:59 |
| lifeless | Ng: gosh no | 19:59 |
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| tchaypo | but since ironic was doing it, it sounds like other people have actual experience that would trump my speculation | 19:59 |
| lifeless | Ng: there are waaaaay to many meetings for that to be anything but destructive to the S/N ratio | 19:59 |
| lifeless | slagle: I'm with you | 20:00 |
| greghaynes | -meetings | 20:00 |
| tchaypo | Ng: I've noticed that pleia2 does that for the infra meetings - a followup to the "reminder: meeting is on tomorrow" that has a link to the logs | 20:00 |
| Ng | lifeless: Pff, it's such a quiet list, ;) | 20:00 |
| marios | tchaypo: well would let you show up and pimp your pending reviews for focused attention for example | 20:00 |
| lifeless | ok, we're out of time | 20:00 |
| lifeless | #action tchaypo to action alternating meetings thing | 20:00 |
| marios | tchaypo: but anyway just a suggestion/thoughr | 20:00 |
| lifeless | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 20 20:00:37 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-05-20-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-05-20-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-05-20-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
| lsmola | thank guys, good night | 20:00 |
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| lifeless | we can consider doing two meetings separately to opening up asia/india to meetings | 20:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 20 22:00:27 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 22:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2014-05-20_2200_UTC Our Agenda | 22:00 |
| apmelton | o/ | 22:00 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:00 | |
| ewindisch | o/ | 22:00 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 22:00 |
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| Slower | o/ | 22:00 |
| Slower | Ian Main | 22:00 |
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| apmelton | Andrew Melton, @Rackspace, Nova Libvirt-lxc support | 22:01 |
| ravips | Ravi | 22:01 |
| paulczar | Paulczar | 22:01 |
| funzo | chris alfonso | 22:01 |
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| ewindisch | <- Eric Windisch. @Docker | 22:02 |
| adrian_otto | we will do a round of introductions in a moment | 22:02 |
| adrian_otto | since this is our first meeting | 22:02 |
| adrian_otto | so you are welcome to jsut leave it at a wave right now if you prefer | 22:02 |
| adrian_otto | I will chill for just a moment for additional attendees | 22:02 |
| s1rp | Rick Harris @ Rackspace | 22:03 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Welcome | 22:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Welcome (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:04 | |
| adrian_otto | Welcome everyone. The purpose of this team, and our regularly scheduled meeting | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | is to find common ground for supporting containers in OpenStack. Our first few | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | meetings will be to let us get a clear understanding of what our espective | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | interests are so we can work together to identify what options we want to | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | consider and reach a comfortable consensus we can all accept. | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | the meeting schedule alternates because we have stakeholders in numerous timezones | 22:05 |
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| adrian_otto | thank you for coming today to get us started. | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 22:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:05 | |
| adrian_otto | We have an #openstack-containers IRC Channel | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/94041 Adding #openstack-containers IRC bot | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | the purpose of the channel is to have breakout discussions and in depth conversations that are logged | 22:06 |
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| adrian_otto | if there are action items from our meetings each week, this is when we would normally review those. I am skipping that because this is our first meeting. | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Introductions | 22:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introductions (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:07 | |
| adrian_otto | I will start | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | in this section what I'd like to do is give members of the team an opportunity to introduce themselves, and say whay they work on and why they take an interest in Containers in OpenStack | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | this is totally voluntary | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | I'm Adrian Otto. I am a Principal Architect at Rackspace, and PTL for Solum. | 22:08 |
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| adrian_otto | I want container functionality, like what we get form nova-docker today, plus more to support CI/CD use cases for openstack end users | 22:09 |
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| adrian_otto | I hope to serve you all as a moderator and advocate for the OpenStack user community | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | who would like to go next? | 22:09 |
| funzo | cool, thx adrian_otto | 22:09 |
| funzo | I'll go :) I'm Chris Alfonso, I work with the OpenShift team at Red Hat | 22:09 |
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| funzo | I'm intersted in having first class container support in OpenStack for a number of reasons, but at the end of the day I want to run OpenSHift on OpenStack | 22:10 |
| s1rp | Rick Harris, Dev @ Rackspace, would like to work on exposing more process-like container support via Nova | 22:10 |
| Slower | I'm Ian Main, working at Red Hat. Currently supporting nova docker integration but also interested in generic container support for openstack | 22:11 |
| apmelton | I'm Andrew Melton, Software Developer at Rackspace. I'm working on improving libvirt-lxc support in Nova. | 22:11 |
| paulczar | Paul Czarkowski, not quite operator, not quite developer, but definitely not a devop at Rackspace on the Solum team. My main interest is on application focused containers ( vs OS containers ) in openstack with a heavy slant towards Docker | 22:11 |
| jeckersb | John Eckersberg here, also from the Red Hat openstack team, and also interested in generic container support for openstack :) | 22:11 |
| ravips | I'm Ravi Sankar Penta from Red Hat and I wanna understand what exactly Containers project is going to solve? common wrapper for different container technologies? | 22:11 |
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| ewindisch | I’m Eric Windisch. I’m lead of OpenStack integration at Docker. As far as this group goes, I’m interested in containers that support microservices (process-level) and in creating new extensiosn that support containers-based use-cases | 22:11 |
| ewindisch | I work at Docker and on the nova-docker driver, but I’m interested in sharing code with other Linux containers technologies whereever possible | 22:12 |
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| adrian_otto | awesome, everyone. | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | In the next section I have an etherpad where we can begin to record our interests: | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | you are welcome to drop in your introduction at any time | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | so please continue if you are still watching | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | #Topic Shared Interests | 22:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Shared Interests (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:14 | |
| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/containers Containers Etherpad | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | the purpose of this exercise is to surface what we might be tempted to argue about | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | not to actually have any debate yet | 22:14 |
| funzo | adrian_otto: I disagree | 22:14 |
| funzo | :) | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | heh | 22:15 |
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| adrian_otto | but I think it's important with any controversial subject to make your interests clear so we can arrive at compromise | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | rather than arguments that waste our time | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | I want you all to feel that this is a productive use of your time, and we will continue the meeting series for as long as we feel this is making a positive impact | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | so please take a moment to record in the etherpad whatever your sacred cows are. | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | so that we can know about them, respect them, and come up with sensible middle ground | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | good, I see that we are putting our controversial topics in, that's what we need to do at this stage | 22:17 |
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| paulczar | should we just +1 where people have already stated things we’re interested in ? | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | yep, this is free form | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | I do ask that you put your name in your color | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | looks like Eric and I are using the same color | 22:21 |
| ewindisch | fixed | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | tx | 22:23 |
| harlowja | alright, etherpad keeps on disconnecting :( | 22:23 |
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| adrian_otto | hi harlowja | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | did you wand to make a quick introduction for those who don't know you yet? | 22:24 |
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| harlowja | sureeee ;) | 22:24 |
| harlowja | josh harlow, one of the tech leads @ yahoo openstack team :) | 22:24 |
| harlowja | work on various things, haha | 22:24 |
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| ewindisch | it’s reflected in the doc, but I’m seriously concerned about the DefCore issues. The main reason that containers are struggling for adoption is because the DefCore effort is pushing the PTLs toward an uncertain future of what should and shouldn’t be supported… on the other hand, if we don’t get the drivers into “core projects”, then containers cannot be first-class citizens | 22:25 |
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| paulczar | for new arrivals - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/containers Containers Etherpad | 22:26 |
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| adrian_otto | tx paulczar | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | ewindisch: Good, that;s something to record in the interests section | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | basically anything you think is worth arguing about, we should find a way to express | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | and then we can ask questions of each other to better understand them | 22:27 |
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| adrian_otto | Okay good, so the reason I'm asking you to help me articulate the pro/con of the various implementation options is to tease out what your interests are | 22:35 |
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| adrian_otto | we don't have to design an implementation plan right away, but let's continue filling out the for/against arguments for each to see which of them we should claim as an interest and put in our section at the top | 22:35 |
| harlowja | sounds good | 22:36 |
| s1rp | ewindisch: didn't sam alba have an initial spec for a CaaS? | 22:37 |
| ewindisch | s1rp: there was a CaaS proposal at one point, yes. I think it came from the OpenShift guys, actually | 22:37 |
| ewindisch | I didn’t really like it very much, to be honest. | 22:37 |
| s1rp | ewindisch: ah gotcha | 22:37 |
| s1rp | ewindisch: yeah, we had one meeting to discuss it and disbanded, so guess that was the consensus | 22:38 |
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| adrian_otto | ewindisch: you are welcome to post a reference to that today in our chat for future reference. Maybe on our next agenda we can bring a critique of that proposal, and see if there are ways it could be made more attractive. | 22:39 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so we have 20 minutes remaining for today. I like the exercise we are trying now, and we should continue that. We also have some other business to take care of. So I will ask us to revisit this etherpad when we come back to Open Dicsussion | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | and if you know of other stakeholders, please pull them in and have them add to the etherpad | 22:41 |
| ewindisch | it might be getting ahead, but I’d like to discuss some Cinder stuff at some point, maybe in open discussion | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | I will take an editorial pass through the etherpad and begin making it into wiki pages | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | ewindisch: good, let's get to that in a moment. | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Nova sub-team | 22:42 |
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| adrian_otto | I intentionally made this a non-nova team, not because I think it's a non-nova issue, but because I think it's important to look at containers from a wider perspective, and explore all possible options for including them | 22:42 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, I exaggerated. Not all *possible* options, but a number of viable options | 22:43 |
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| adrian_otto | and if there are other choices that we did not think of today, let's record those and consider them. | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | If we plan to also act as a Nova sub-team, one of us will need to attend the Nova meeting regularly to report our status. Volunteers who are already attending? | 22:43 |
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| adrian_otto | or if we don't have a natural first choice for this, would you like me to attend and represent us? | 22:44 |
| ewindisch | adrian_otto: I’m okay with that... | 22:45 |
| adrian_otto | wow those are loud crickets! | 22:45 |
| ewindisch | also, Michael has made it clear that he wants the defacto driver-stakeholders to be in attendance. | 22:45 |
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| adrian_otto | yes, I expect a larger group the weeks we have a 1600 UTC meeting time | 22:46 |
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| adrian_otto | like next week | 22:46 |
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| adrian_otto | #agreed until further notice, adrian_otto will attend Nova team meetings to report status of the OpenStack Containers Team as a Nova sub-team (if desired by Nova stakeholdrs) | 22:47 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 22:47 |
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| ewindisch | Cinder - | 22:47 |
| adrian_otto | there is a discussion point here from danpb | 22:47 |
| adrian_otto | •Examine/enumerate use cases / scenarios for containers which do not require cinder storage, to demonstrate that cinder should be considered optional for Nova driver inclusion (Daniel Berrange / danpb) | 22:48 |
| adrian_otto | ewindisch: is that the topic you meant? | 22:48 |
| ewindisch | not exactly. | 22:48 |
| ewindisch | but it’s a good point that we should push on making it optional | 22:48 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let's clear your subject first, and come back to Daniel's | 22:48 |
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| paulczar | +1 on that … if we insist that everything in openstack behaves like things in openstack then containers will just look like vms | 22:49 |
| ewindisch | I’ve looked at actually implementing it, regardless of the necessity | 22:49 |
| ewindisch | getting devices into the containers is easy. The main problem is that all the volume backends need support, just like the neutron drivers | 22:49 |
| ewindisch | the good news is that the code in libvirt will work for containers with few modifications… | 22:50 |
| ewindisch | but we’d need to generalize that code and somehow do so in a way that is agreeable upstream with our drivers being out of tree | 22:50 |
| adrian_otto | my understanding is that we have the libvirt stakeholders in the openstack community already | 22:51 |
| ewindisch | but in general, it seems that the functionality isn’t hard to implement, even if the inner-container experience is different than on a VM | 22:51 |
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| adrian_otto | I'd like to track down which Stackers also work on libvirt so we can include them for guidance | 22:51 |
| ewindisch | and the block devices aren’t USELESS inside a container, they’re just not mountable… there are things we might want to bring those block devices in for that don’t require SYS_CAP_MOUNT | 22:51 |
| ewindisch | anyway, the point isn’t to delve into SHOULD we, but that it seems we CAN… at least on Linux. | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | ewindisch: for those not familiar with the drawbacks of SYS_CAP_MOUNT, why don't you explain the security concern about that | 22:52 |
| paulczar | my thoughts is we push back on the cinder stuff and have nova agree it’s not path critical and we can focus on features that make sense for early adopters of the driver | 22:53 |
| ewindisch | Linux capabilities prevent or allow from doing things on the OS. If we allow mounting filesystems inside a container, we can easily break out of the container | 22:53 |
| ewindisch | paulczar: I agree, but I want to separate the concerns… | 22:53 |
| ewindisch | concern 1) can we implement cinder support and 2) must we implement cinder support | 22:54 |
| adrian_otto | ok, we have about 5 minutes left | 22:54 |
| grapex | ewindisch: My understanding is that as of a year back, libvirt had some rough spots when it came to running certain container technologies like OpenVZ. I talked to someone from parallels who was convinced the only way forward was to use libcontainers as a driver. | 22:54 |
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| ewindisch | I think #1 is “YES we can” | 22:54 |
| ewindisch | grapex: that’s a whole other kettle of fish ;-) | 22:54 |
| ewindisch | adrian_otto: do you want to move to #2, Daniel’s concern of “must we implement?" | 22:55 |
| adrian_otto | yes, for a moment. In a couple of minutes I will call for agenda items for next Tues, and action items between now and then | 22:55 |
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| grapex | When we say optional, it means containers could use Cinder, but wouldn't have to- right? | 22:56 |
| adrian_otto | I see no drawback in asking for homefwork from today's attendees to comply with Daniel's request to enumerate non-cinder use cases | 22:56 |
| adrian_otto | we can put those into the etherpad, right? | 22:56 |
| ewindisch | grapex: that’s my opinion. We should make them optional, where we can but don’t have to (I’m working on making it work, although we’d like not to HAVE to support cinder) | 22:57 |
| grapex | ewindisch: Sounds fair. | 22:57 |
| adrian_otto | ewindisch: +1. I'D like to be able to offer an option to support it | 22:57 |
| ewindisch | back to DefCore @Cinder — an openstack installation with containers that doesn’t support Cinder won’t be allowed to use the trademark… | 22:57 |
| adrian_otto | because we know there are use cases for it, and reasons that it is desired | 22:57 |
| ewindisch | but, I don’t think Nova should prevent us from merging just because of the DefCore perspective | 22:58 |
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| grapex | ewindisch: +1 | 22:58 |
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| adrian_otto | so , for next week, I will post to the Meetings/Containers wiki page a skeleton agenda today | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | and you are welcome to add your items to that agenda | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | if you do not already subscribe to that page, I recommend it. | 22:59 |
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| adrian_otto | so that you get emailed when it is edited. | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | Thanks everyone for attending, and I will follow up with more between now and next meeting on the ML prefixed with [Containers] | 22:59 |
| harlowja | sounds good to me | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | edit your mail filters as needed | 22:59 |
| ewindisch | thank you Adrian for putting this together | 22:59 |
| grapex | Thanks Adrian! | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | my pleasure. Thanks again everyone for your time and attention to this important subject. | 23:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 20 23:00:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-05-20-22.00.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-05-20-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-05-20-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
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