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| markwash | o/ | 14:32 |
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| markwash | #startmeeting glance | 14:34 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 27 14:34:29 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:34 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:34 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:34 |
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| markwash | shall we start here? | 14:36 |
| arnaud__ | yes | 14:36 |
| zhiyan | yes, thanks | 14:36 |
| markwash | can we get a quick roll call? | 14:37 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 14:37 |
| jbernard | o/ | 14:38 |
| markwash | anybody else? rosmaita ? | 14:38 |
| markwash | okay | 14:38 |
| markwash | sorry I'm late today | 14:38 |
| markwash | it sounds like you guys were already talking about artifacts stuff | 14:39 |
| ativelkov | yes | 14:39 |
| markwash | any status updates, there have been some good email discussions | 14:39 |
| ativelkov | Well, I didn't have much time to work on the APIs themselves, unfortunately, but got some questions on artifact dependencies which I wanted to discuss | 14:40 |
| markwash | okay cool | 14:40 |
| ativelkov | Plan to come back to the API design on the next week | 14:40 |
| markwash | jbernard: it seems like based on our conversations, cinder support is an early requirement for instance templates for you | 14:40 |
| markwash | correct? | 14:41 |
| jbernard | for me at least, yes | 14:41 |
| ativelkov | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/028073.html - chain about the dependencies | 14:41 |
| markwash | jbernard: that does make a lot of sense | 14:41 |
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| markwash | ativelkov: jbernard: it seemed like maybe you two had a solution for including cinder where cinder references just weren't artifacts, they were regular attributes, and their behavior was plugin or client specific | 14:42 |
| jbernard | yeah, the feature would be incomplete without it | 14:42 |
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| markwash | s/client specific/client defined/ | 14:42 |
| ativelkov | That's how I see it. The plugin can put the locks, do the volume validation etc. | 14:42 |
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| markwash | jbernard: does that idea sound like it could work? is there some alternative you prefer? | 14:43 |
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| jbernard | it sounds reasonable to me | 14:43 |
| ativelkov | However we may introduce an artifact type "cinder volume" which will not have any binary backing - just an immutable metadata attribute referencing the volume in cinder | 14:43 |
| ativelkov | and store this artifact in glance, and then have a dependency between "instance template" and this "cinder volume" | 14:44 |
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| markwash | ativelkov: it would be nice if we could do that, however if the glance service doesn't own the cinder volume it seems it would have integrity problems | 14:44 |
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| jbernard | it will probably require some cinder enhancements - immutable or reference counted volumes perhaps | 14:44 |
| markwash | yeah | 14:44 |
| markwash | so maybe that could be a follow up approach | 14:44 |
| zhiyan | jbernard: currently cinder support readonly a volume | 14:45 |
| markwash | zhiyan: but the owner can still delete that volume, correct? | 14:45 |
| markwash | that's the issue | 14:45 |
| jbernard | yes, but there is no mechanism to describe external references | 14:45 |
| zhiyan | yes | 14:45 |
| ativelkov | Well, it's the question of agreements. Glance does not own the image binaries if they are put into swift, right? So, somebody can delete the image from swift and this will cause the integrity problems. But we just assume that nobody will do that | 14:46 |
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| zhiyan | to make the volume be immutable, but volumen entry can still be deleted | 14:46 |
| markwash | ativelkov: generally glance owns them today | 14:46 |
| ativelkov | Even if they are stored externally, e.g. in swift? | 14:46 |
| markwash | yes | 14:47 |
| markwash | the single tenant swift store does not use user credentials | 14:47 |
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| ativelkov | ah, didn't know that | 14:48 |
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| zhiyan | ativelkov: so do you think we can make the artifact metadata be consistent via a periodical checking | 14:48 |
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| markwash | periodic checking of what? | 14:48 |
| zhiyan | markwash: for a volume, in this case | 14:49 |
| markwash | zhiyan: I don't think that's the kind of consistency we're looking for | 14:49 |
| ativelkov | I am not sure about "periodic" | 14:49 |
| markwash | we want consistency such that the reference never changes | 14:49 |
| markwash | not that the reference is always accurate | 14:49 |
| markwash | well we want that too | 14:49 |
| markwash | immutable, and accurate | 14:49 |
| ativelkov | We may make plugins responsible for ensuring the validity of their artifacts | 14:49 |
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| arnaud__ | tbh, I think at this point we are going too specific where the design for the basic is there yet | 14:50 |
| markwash | well, and perhaps we should move on | 14:50 |
| markwash | there is one other item on the agenda for today | 14:50 |
| markwash | #topic removing sensitive info from locations | 14:50 |
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| markwash | rosmaita and I were looking at this blueprint again in last weeks drivers meeting | 14:51 |
| markwash | it seemed like at the mini summit there was a recognition that just removing credentials from locations wouldn't solve our problems like I imagined | 14:52 |
| markwash | it definitely solves the problem of making credential management a bit simpler in terms of changing passwords on swift accounts | 14:52 |
| markwash | however, it adds to problems with distributing credentials around a deployment | 14:53 |
| markwash | and it doesn't really help as much with the client direct download story, because it requires all of those clients to somehow have the same credentials stored locally | 14:53 |
| markwash | so the question in my mind is, do we still want to do it just for a solution to the first problem? | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | +1 first prob only | 14:54 |
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| rosmaita | i still think credentials should be managed by keystone, if a client needs them, that's wehre they should come from | 14:55 |
| flwang | markwash: are you ware of any other backend will be impacted by this https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1275062 ? | 14:55 |
| arnaud__ | the first pb is solved by iccha_'s review, that's correct markwash? | 14:55 |
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| markwash | arnaud__: yes | 14:55 |
| markwash | flwang: I'm actually not sure, I think it is mostly swift | 14:55 |
| zhiyan | tbh i have a question, can keystone help us, i mean save credentials to keystone, and glance.store query them when needed? | 14:56 |
| markwash | zhiyan: it seemed that perhaps barbican was going to help solve that problem | 14:56 |
| markwash | but what we need is not just secure key storage | 14:56 |
| markwash | but also key sharing | 14:56 |
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| flwang | markwash: but the problem code is happening at common part, not swift specific, that makes me nervous | 14:57 |
| markwash | flwang: perhaps we should make a pass through the code to see if other stores would be vulnerable as well | 14:57 |
| markwash | and how, in general, other stores are using credentials | 14:57 |
| flwang | markwash: +1 | 14:57 |
| markwash | just as a general survey | 14:57 |
| markwash | we have 2 or 3 minutes now | 14:58 |
| flwang | markwash: it would be nice | 14:58 |
| flwang | anybody know is there any other store will contain the credential in the location? | 14:58 |
| markwash | rosmaita: okay, perhaps I can take another look at barbican and see how it fits this story, and we can unblock this bp | 14:58 |
| flwang | sheepdog, gridfs, rbd | 14:58 |
| arnaud__ | s3? | 14:58 |
| markwash | can someone volunteer to look at that and follow up next week? | 14:59 |
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| flwang | markwash: I will do that | 14:59 |
| markwash | #topic community images | 14:59 |
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| markwash | did we settle on 'community' as the least bad? that was about where I was. . . | 14:59 |
| markwash | least bad name, that is | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | +1 | 15:00 |
| markwash | hmm, we need to clear out for the next meeting | 15:00 |
| markwash | okay, guys thanks! sorry I was late | 15:00 |
| markwash | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 27 15:00:36 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-02-27-14.34.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-02-27-14.34.txt | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | bye! | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-02-27-14.34.log.html | 15:00 |
| flwang | bye | 15:00 |
| ativelkov | bye | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 27 15:01:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | good morning/evening folks | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | Hello | 15:01 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:01 |
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| scottda | Hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | I don't have an agenda today | 15:02 |
| bswartz | last 3 days I took a vacation to cinder land | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | There were some last minute I-3 things that needed some attention | 15:02 |
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| yportnova | hi | 15:03 |
| bswartz | but manila is just as important | 15:03 |
| bswartz | actually I do have one thing | 15:03 |
| bswartz | I understand there are some folk in Australia who are very interested in manila | 15:03 |
| bswartz | but they can't attend this meeting because it's sometime after midnight right now | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | I want to accomodate some of the oceania timezones better | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | the 2 options we have are to do an alternating meeting, or to keep these meetings and add a suplemental meeting for the oceania folks | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: for first step they can use manila chat | 15:06 |
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| vponomaryov | without schedule | 15:06 |
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| scottda | I notice that openstack-manila is very quiet. Or is it just me? | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | either way, I would probably propose 0100 UTC or 0200 UTC for the alternate meeting | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | scottda: yeah that's been the trend | 15:08 |
| bswartz | scottda: most of the conversations are during these weekly meetings or in offline meetings | 15:09 |
| bswartz | we already have someone serious timezone issues | 15:09 |
| scottda | OK, probably also a result of such a small group of devs and users | 15:09 |
| bswartz | yeah the group is small and very spread out around the world | 15:09 |
| bswartz | if some of the australians join then that will get worse | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | chat is quiet - yes, but who restricts to have a talk? | 15:10 |
| bswartz | but I'm nearly always online during USA hours and you can ping me if you want to talk | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | anyways I just wanted to mention that briefly | 15:10 |
| bswartz | we don't make any changes to the meeting schedule yet | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | I'll start up some conversations and maybe we can move to 1.5 meetings per week | 15:11 |
| bswartz | with the 0.5 meetings per week being at 0200 UTC in addition to the current regular meeting | 15:11 |
| bswartz | enough on that | 15:11 |
| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:12 |
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| vponomaryov | Dev status: | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | 1) NetApp Cmode driver: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59100/ | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | Waiting for reviews, after changes. Not critical nits are expected to be fixed after main merge of driver. | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | 2) Horizon's manila extension: https://github.com/NetApp/horizon/tree/manila | 15:13 |
| bswartz | oh Jenkins is passing again | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | thanks yportnova -- I'll review that change again | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | 3) Devstack with generic driver: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74647/ | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | related bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1285612 | 15:13 |
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| vponomaryov | 4) Generic driver's modularity: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74154/ | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | Waiting for reviews, after changes. Not critical nits are expected to be fixed after main merge | 15:14 |
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| vponomaryov | 5) Volume types: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74772/ (client) | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | 6) Activation/deactivation api: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/share-network-activation-api | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | (server) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71936/ | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | (client) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71497/ | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | Not tested due to absence of its using in drivers. | 15:14 |
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| vponomaryov | TODO: | 15:15 |
| bswartz | so this reminds me of somethiong | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | I've decided to create some branches on github under the NetApp account for horizon and tempest | 15:15 |
| bswartz | because we have changes to both of those projects that can't go upstream yet | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | so the NetApp version of those branches will be the "official" ones until we're incubated | 15:16 |
| bswartz | unless someone has a better idea | 15:16 |
| bswartz | if anyone wants to contribue to those branches I can grant access | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | it's just github though so there's no review/gate process and therefore we need to be careful | 15:16 |
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| vponomaryov | branch per dev | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | we need some reviews on the above changes please | 15:18 |
| bswartz | in addition to my own | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | the rest I don't know if they need any discussion | 15:18 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: were you going to mention some todo items? | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | So, back to status, TODO: | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | 1) Make drivers (Generic, Cmode) use activation/deactivation API | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | 2) Update Horizon extension for Manila due to API changes, bugfixing | 15:19 |
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| vponomaryov | 3) Implement volume types server side | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | OPEN ITEMS: | 15:19 |
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| vponomaryov | 1) metadata for security-services. | 15:19 |
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| vponomaryov | 2) cirros lightweight image for generic driver : | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | - has nonworking nfs - https://github.com/csabahenk/cirros/issues?direction=asc | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | that's all | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | csaba: you here? | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | how much of a blocker is the nonworking NFS is the image? can't we just use other (heavier) images until that's fixed? | 15:21 |
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| vponomaryov | yes, we can | 15:21 |
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| vponomaryov | it is blocker for devstack plugin for enabling generic driver | 15:22 |
| vponomaryov | one of two blockers | 15:22 |
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| vponomaryov | second, as I have mentioned in dev status is a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1285612 | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | uh oh looks like Freenode is still unstable -- I see a netsplit happening | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | well in case csaba is reading the meeting log, csaba: reach out for help if you need it | 15:23 |
| csaba | bswartz: yep | 15:23 |
| csaba | just came soory | 15:23 |
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| csaba | so yeah I know the image is non functional yet | 15:24 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: is this really a manila bug or a devstack bug? | 15:24 |
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| vponomaryov | it is conceptual bug for dependency, that generic driver has | 15:25 |
| vponomaryov | it is manila bug | 15:25 |
| bswartz | csaba: welcome! | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: do you have a fix in mind? | 15:26 |
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| vponomaryov | We have thoughts, need test it | 15:26 |
| bswartz | I read the bug and I'm not clear on the problem | 15:26 |
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| vponomaryov | it will take some time | 15:26 |
| yportnova | bswartz: need to clarify if it is generic driver's bug or bug related to service starting | 15:26 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:26 |
| csaba | vponomaryov: can you suggest a hotfix? | 15:27 |
| csaba | just in order to be able to do testing with devstack | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | there are workaround | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | just run LVM driver first | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | or cmode | 15:28 |
| bswartz | can we just hack devstack into working shape manually? | 15:28 |
| vponomaryov | than enable generic driver and restart m-shr | 15:28 |
| csaba | do you need to create an lvm share or is it enough to just start m-shr with lvm ? | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | ok | 15:28 |
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| vponomaryov | just start | 15:28 |
| csaba | cool | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: you may want to mention that workaround in the bug notes | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | so people who read it aren't stuck waiting for the bug to be fixed | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | currently, devstack plugin works with lvm | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | this bug for commit: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74647/ | 15:29 |
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| vponomaryov | that changes devstack plugin | 15:29 |
| bswartz | ok | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | so, those who don't use this commit, won't face it | 15:30 |
| csaba | and what does lvm driver do to have such an effect? | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | it has not such dependency, that has generic driver | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | dependency oh host record | 15:31 |
| yportnova | csaba: the problem is that generic driver reads on start db record from services table and at that time it is missing. So it fails | 15:32 |
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| csaba | ah so host record in db | 15:32 |
| csaba | I see thx | 15:32 |
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| xyang1 | vponomaryov: to enable generic driver, just change the driver entry in manila.conf and restart m-shr (after run lvm driver)? | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: no, it has much more dependencies | 15:33 |
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| vponomaryov | xyang1: see changes here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74647/ | 15:34 |
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| xyang1 | vponomaryov: thanks. will take a look | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | okay | 15:34 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | anyone have anything else? | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | First point from open items | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | 1) metadata for security-services. | 15:34 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:35 |
| vponomaryov | no problem if we add it? | 15:35 |
| bswartz | sorry I'm not sure what you mean | 15:36 |
| bswartz | is this something new? | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | I mean extending manila's API | 15:36 |
| bswartz | the share-network has all kind of security key/values | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | to allow set metadata for security services | 15:36 |
| bswartz | what would such metadata be used for? | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | For example, for kerberos in Cmode driver now we have hardcoded username for spn record - "nfs". | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | It can be different for each vserver | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | theoreticaly | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | why not make that an additional key/value in the share-network? | 15:37 |
| bswartz | with a sensible default value | 15:37 |
| vponomaryov | it is part of security service, not share-network | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | what's a security service? | 15:38 |
| bswartz | I feel like I'm missing something here | 15:39 |
| vponomaryov | security-service, which is part of manla's API | 15:39 |
| vponomaryov | we set there ldap, ad and kerberos data | 15:39 |
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| vponomaryov | then attach this entities to share-network, that is used to make shares | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | okay I feel dumb | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | yes that's right | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | I forgot about the exact way the share-network API worked | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | so the proposal is to allow attaching metadata to those security-services? | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | yes, exactly | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | and who would have access to do that? | 15:41 |
| bswartz | tenants or admins? | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | as for creation of sec services - admins | 15:42 |
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| vponomaryov | if by tenant you mean common users | 15:43 |
| bswartz | I guess my concern is that the term "metadata" typically refers to data that the API server will ignore | 15:43 |
| vponomaryov | yes, it will send as is | 15:43 |
| vponomaryov | key-value | 15:43 |
| bswartz | if the APIs are looking at the metadata and changing their behavior based on those values then they're not really metadata -- they're API inputs | 15:43 |
| vponomaryov | drivers can use it | 15:44 |
| bswartz | I think of metadata as stuff the server stores and hands back to you but never really looks at | 15:44 |
| vponomaryov | it depends on realisation | 15:45 |
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| vponomaryov | mostly yes | 15:45 |
| bswartz | I think the idea makes sense but it can't be called metadata | 15:46 |
| bswartz | it should be called somethign else | 15:46 |
| bswartz | like attributes | 15:46 |
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| vponomaryov | it is expected to be the same as metadta for shares, volumes, etc | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | except those values are truly metadata aren't they? | 15:47 |
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| vponomaryov | as rule metadata has one restriction - length | 15:48 |
| vponomaryov | and custom keys with values | 15:48 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: we should probably follow up on this offline because I want to think through an example in depth | 15:49 |
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| vponomaryov | Ok, agree, let it left to next meetings | 15:49 |
| bswartz | thx | 15:49 |
| bswartz | did anyone else have a topic? | 15:49 |
| bswartz | otherwise I'll give you all 10 minutes back and I'll get started on code reviews | 15:50 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:50 |
| bswartz | thanks all | 15:50 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 27 15:50:54 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-02-27-15.01.html | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-02-27-15.01.txt | 15:50 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ping savanna folks | 18:00 |
| tmckay | hey there | 18:00 |
| ErikB | Hello | 18:00 |
| alazarev | o/ | 18:00 |
| aignatov | o/ | 18:01 |
| crobertsrh | hi | 18:01 |
| dmitryme | pong | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hey folks, let's start | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting savanna | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 27 18:01:50 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| ylobankov1 | hello | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'savanna' | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SavannaAgenda | 18:02 |
| themistymay | hi | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | themistymay, hey | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info 5 new name candidates are under lawyers review, results should be available in a few days | 18:03 |
| ErikB | We've had a slow week. Working on [Ambari] Blueprints mostly. | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info client 0.5.0 was released few days ago with update auth, entrypoint code and CLI | 18:03 |
| aignatov | ErikB: it seems there are a lot of questions about proper images of hdp | 18:03 |
| crobertsrh | Dashboard bug fixing for me. Then I should probably make a loop through roadmap/blueprints and see if there are any dashboard items that need to be added. | 18:03 |
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| aignatov | could you or jspiedel update the docs? | 18:03 |
| alazarev | naive attempt to refactor plugin SPI and EDP failed, doing it by small pieces now | 18:04 |
| ylobankov1 | I am working on adding test for transient cluster | 18:04 |
| dmitryme | I am pushing my agent changes through your review guys ;-) | 18:04 |
| themistymay | Still reading into code, trying to get acclimated. Picking up tasks where I can, low-hanging fruit mostly. | 18:04 |
| themistymay | Also working to resync oslo-incubator code | 18:05 |
| alazarev | EDP on IDH 3.0.2 works in my env, we commit soon | 18:05 |
| ErikB | aignatov, RE images, yes we will be taking a deep look at these issues to ensure that the images are ok. Likely next week. | 18:05 |
| aignatov | I was mostly working on the savanna in heat, resolved some comments from heat team, also some savannaclient/dashboard manipulation with new release of client ) | 18:05 |
| aignatov | :) | 18:05 |
| aignatov | ErikB: great, thx! | 18:05 |
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| tmckay | I've been working on savanna cli integration tests. Not currently the openstack convention, but important for our typical end users. And, I found bugs in the cli before 0.5.0 using it :) I'll publish very soon (today/tomorrow) | 18:05 |
| sreshetnyak | I am working on hadoop 2 | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, we'll have code freeze Mar 4 | 18:06 |
| aignatov | hadoop 2 in vanilla sreshetnyak meant :) | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and feature freeze right after the i3 | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, are you expect to complete your refactoring | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ? | 18:06 |
| sreshetnyak | basic prototype on review | 18:06 |
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| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: refactoring of what? | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, I mean alazarev | 18:07 |
| aignatov | ok | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | a + <TAB> :) | 18:07 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: I'm ok with that | 18:07 |
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| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: not sure if all refactoring is done, anyway it is just "for developers", can always commit in J | 18:08 |
| aignatov | so we should define which features will be landed in icehouse, should not it? | 18:08 |
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| aignatov | and which are not | 18:08 |
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| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: is -> will be | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, I'm ok with landing rest Hadoop 2 support patches | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but I hope that the main code for them will be landed before the FF | 18:09 |
| aignatov | so, it's ok to have feature freeze exception and push commits after March 4 | 18:09 |
| alazarev | more news: bug in swift hadoop driver was found and fixed (https://bugs.launchpad.net/savanna/+bug/1284906) | 18:09 |
| aignatov | March 4 is the next week :) | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it's ok to have FFEs for self-containing patches | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | like work on plugin v2 internals | 18:11 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: with the current speed I'm now sure that IDH 3.0.2 will be merged before Mar 4 | 18:11 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, hm | 18:11 |
| aignatov | also EDP + Hadoop 2 in all plugins I think should be part of the icehouse | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, IIRC version selection mechanism is on review or already landed? | 18:11 |
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| aignatov | IIRC? :) | 18:12 |
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| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73087/ started at Feb 12 and it is still on review | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | if I recall correctly == IIRC | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, ok, added to my backlog | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and what's about the same change for vanilla plugin? | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov? | 18:13 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mm, it's merged already as I see | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74145/ | 18:14 |
| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: what was the question on m? | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73087/ will be merged before March 4 | 18:15 |
| aignatov | *me | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, about versoins support for vanilla, but I've alreadybanswered | 18:15 |
| aignatov | ok | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, alazarev, are you expecting any changes in non-plugin code? | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | for EDP support for example? | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | except patches that are currently under review | 18:16 |
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| aignatov | yep, we had a conversation with alazarev today and agreed to make EDP part more imdepennded from plugin | 18:17 |
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| aignatov | e. g. remove hive-plugin dependencies from edp stuff | 18:17 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: I want to have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73713/ merged, but I'm Ok to leave it to J | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, if it'll not be merged before the March 4, I prefer to postpone it to J | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I think that all core code changes should posponed to J if it'll not be merged before the March 4 | 18:18 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: and to make it merged I'm going to remove EDP dependency on Hive | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the only exception - impossibility to enable EDP for plugins | 18:18 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: agree | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, btw https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73713/ should be rebased | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's move on | 18:20 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: I know, I agree with Mett's comments that extending plugin SPI is not good in that case and EDP usage need to be cleaned first | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | note: master will be opened for J dev. around the rc1 (end of March) | 18:20 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, ok, good | 18:21 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | it's a good topic to discuss on summit - how edp should work now | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and in future | 18:21 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: agree | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aand we already should be under the "Icehouse-3 status" topic :) | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Icehouse-3 status | 18:22 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any questions on this topic? | 18:22 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: I have several thoughts about this, I don't like how EDP is organized now | 18:22 |
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| ErikB | alazarev: +1 | 18:23 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: this is regarding EDP, now i3 | 18:23 |
| alazarev | *not i3 | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, yup | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anyway, we should re-work it, at least due to the intention to support not only oozie for running jobs :) | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | spark, storm, anything else.... | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | a big topic for summit | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and I prefer to not hurry now on trying cleanup stuff in edp | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we have not enough time to discuss it good | 18:24 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: local improvements are good | 18:25 |
| ErikB | we need to discuss integrating with Falcon & Flume IMO | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, we have a few days to make them | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ErikB, I think that we'll have much more slots on this summit to discuss our EDP stuff | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think -> I know | 18:27 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | anything else? | 18:27 |
| aignatov | ErikB: good point for discussions, SergeyLukjanov, we have to think about more slots for EDP topics in design tracks :) | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, sure | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Project naming collision | 18:28 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info latest update - candidates are under review | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and we should rename before I release | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info we should rename before I release | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, the best time is March 6 - March 27 time range | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it's a three weeks between i3 and first rc | 18:29 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: is it Ok to have renaming after FF? | 18:29 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | it'll guarantee that we'll have no breaking changes | 18:30 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and there are no more options | 18:30 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | it's better than rename after rc | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :( | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | probably, we'll postpone rc1 for one more week | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | to have 1w of code freeze to move the stuff | 18:31 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I think that renaming will take about 4-5 days (Friday - Tuesday) | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we have integration tests, it'll help a lot | 18:32 |
| tmckay | I think once we have the 5 candidates back, we can vote very quickly. I think 24-36 hours ought to be enough. Too quick? | 18:33 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, I mean that process of renaming repos, and s/savanna/xxx/ code | 18:33 |
| tmckay | no integration tests for docs, though. ;-) | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, for docs it'll be just replace | 18:33 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, yes, I meant that the quicker we vote, the quicker we can be done with the move | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, exactly | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, I'd like to raise the following question | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | how to change the final name? | 18:34 |
| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: is there ETA for the lawyers results? | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, they said we need a week, it was last friday | 18:34 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | we'll not wait for the next meeting anyway, so, I'd like to discuss provess today | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | process* | 18:35 |
| tmckay | oh man, we even have to change the swift://container.savanna/ pattern, which technically means a databasea migration script | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the only exception if we'll have a huge disagreement on final name | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, it could be done after the main renaming | 18:35 |
| aignatov | tmckay: yes, and this has to be tested carefully | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | neutron is still contains some quantum refs in code :) | 18:36 |
| tmckay | heh | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it'll be very difficult, but it's possible | 18:36 |
| aignatov | also we should replace all images and link to the images | 18:36 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, yup | 18:37 |
| dmitryme | I think 'grep -i savanna' will find 99% of what we need to rename | 18:37 |
| tmckay | I wonder if we can extend pep8 with a "no savanna" rule | 18:37 |
| tmckay | to bar it at the gate | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, good idea :) | 18:37 |
| dmitryme | tmckay: I don't think it is needed, it is a one time change | 18:37 |
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| tmckay | dmitryme, someone might forget :) Like still writing 2013 | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's presume that we'll have N=0...5 options for the new name, do we need to vote for them one more time? (we already have a sorted list) | 18:38 |
| dmitryme | SergeyLukjanov: I think yes | 18:38 |
| tmckay | I think I would vote again. But a quick one | 18:38 |
| alazarev | tmckay: and savanna-db:// and many other cases we don't remember right now | 18:38 |
| tmckay | ack | 18:38 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I've created an etherpad http://etherpad.openstack.org/p/savanna-renaming-process for sharing ideas about what should be renamed in savanna | 18:39 |
| tmckay | stackadoop-db:// would have been great | 18:39 |
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| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: I think vote is good, current list is not relevant since voters needed to sort 10+ options and a lot of votes are with places 1,2,3,26,26,26,... | 18:40 |
| tmckay | agree with alazarev | 18:41 |
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| aignatov | +1 | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | btw I'm agree with too, just like to see your thoughts | 18:41 |
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| alazarev | should we replace everything savanna related before I? | 18:42 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, it'll be the best case | 18:42 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, I think that there not so many places where it'll be difficult to do | 18:42 |
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| tmckay | ooo, SergeyLukjanov, what about summit names? | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, talks titles? | 18:43 |
| tmckay | We have a project with a new name, but summit slots with the old one | 18:43 |
| tmckay | Yes | 18:43 |
| tmckay | Can those be changed? | 18:43 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sure | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll ask folks to update them when we'll know the new name | 18:43 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | re migrations - probably we'll just merge our migrations to only one "icehouse" migration | 18:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | should be discussed | 18:45 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | how much time should we have for voting for the final name? | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, alazarev , aignatov ErikB | 18:46 |
| tmckay | 1-2 business days | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ++ | 18:46 |
| themistymay | +1 | 18:46 |
| dmitryme | + | 18:46 |
| alazarev | +1 on 2 days | 18:46 |
| crobertsrh | 2 should be plenty. +1 | 18:46 |
| aignatov | and 1-2 weekends xD | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the best case is to have new name selected till the next weekend | 18:47 |
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| ErikB | +1 | 18:47 |
| aignatov | +! for me as well | 18:47 |
| aignatov | +1 | 18:47 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | than we'll be able to finish renaming till the March 18 | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and have one month before the Icehouse | 18:48 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | that could be postponed in worst case too | 18:49 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I'll try to find neutron's check list | 18:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | IIRC they had one | 18:51 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed setup final voting for 2 business days | 18:51 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I hope we'll not have any disagreements on new name | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh | 18:52 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | many of external folks mentioned that gravity is quite overloaded :( | 18:52 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | but I still think that it's ok if lawyers ok with it | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:53 |
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| dmitryme | Sergey: But OpenStack Gravity is not | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 7 mins left | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | dmitryme, sure, that's why I'm still +1 gravity | 18:53 |
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| aignatov | +1 for gravity as well | 18:54 |
| themistymay | gravity well :P | 18:54 |
| tmckay | not time to vote yet ;-) | 18:54 |
| tosky | quick question (hi, I'm a RH QE, still learning here): I've seen the email about "Savanna graduation status", is Icehouse the target for being out of incubation? | 18:54 |
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| aignatov | crobertsrh: how is your results of the curling tournament? | 18:54 |
| tmckay | hi tosky | 18:54 |
| aignatov | will you play on the next olympics 2018? ;) | 18:54 |
| crobertsrh | aignatov: We won our last 4 games to finish in 5th place, just missing the medal round. | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, yup, we'd like to be integrated in J | 18:55 |
| crobertsrh | Olympics is unlikely, but I do know both our men's and women's Olympic curling teams...even played against them before. | 18:55 |
| aignatov | really? you won? | 18:55 |
| dmitryme | crobertsrh: ah, too bad you've missed the medal round | 18:55 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: ehm, so Icehouse or Juno? | 18:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, heh bad wording | 18:55 |
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| crobertsrh | I have beaten one of our olympians....not playing with her usual team though. | 18:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, we'd like to graduate from the incubation in March to be integrated project starting from J (inlusively) | 18:56 |
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| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: thanks, so for Icehouse the project will be in a kind of limbo out of incubation but not fully integrated yet? | 18:57 |
| * tosky does not know the workflow | 18:57 | |
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| aignatov | crobertsrh: but will you plan to play in the next tournaments? will it in the next year or earlier? | 18:57 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, sounds like that | 18:57 |
| tosky | oki, thanks again | 18:58 |
| crobertsrh | I am actually going to take a bit of a break from competitive curling (2nd baby is on the way). I will still play, but just at smaller tournaments. | 18:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, if we' graduate in March than we'll be part of integrated Juno release | 18:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 1 min left | 18:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thank you all! | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 27 18:59:31 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2014/savanna.2014-02-27-18.01.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2014/savanna.2014-02-27-18.01.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2014/savanna.2014-02-27-18.01.log.html | 18:59 |
| mestery | Group Policy peeps: Yo! | 18:59 |
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| mestery | #startmeeting networking_policy | 19:00 |
| hemanthravi | hi | 19:00 |
| banix | hi | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 27 19:00:08 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| thinrichs | Hi | 19:00 |
| cgoncalves | Howdy! | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 19:00 |
| kevinbenton | hello! | 19:00 |
| mestery | Hi folks! | 19:00 |
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| prasadv | hi | 19:00 |
| banix | mestery: hi | 19:00 |
| mandeep | mestery: hi | 19:00 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy Agenda | 19:01 |
| marun | hi | 19:01 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam rkukura: Ping | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: pong | 19:01 |
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| * mestery realizes rkukura isn't online at the moment. | 19:01 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi all! | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sorry lost track of time | 19:01 |
| s3wong | Hello | 19:01 |
| mestery | OK, lets get started, we have a big agenda this week. | 19:01 |
| songole | Hi | 19:01 |
| mestery | #topic Action Item Review | 19:01 |
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| mestery | banix: Thanks for pushing the DB code out for review to the shared github! | 19:02 |
| banix | mestery: It needs more work... | 19:02 |
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| mestery | banix: I saw the code is on a branch on the shared github, can you sahre the link here in the meeting? | 19:02 |
| banix | and it is under ml2 right now but we can move as needed | 19:03 |
| mestery | banix: Thanks! | 19:03 |
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| mestery | banix: We can talk more about the code in the Data Model section of the meeting as well. | 19:03 |
| mestery | #topic Plugin Structure | 19:03 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam mandeep: Did one of you guys want to lead this section? | 19:03 |
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| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: sure | 19:03 |
| banix | https://github.com/noironetworks/neutron-group-policy/blob/banix/db/neutron/plugins/ml2/models_gp.py | 19:04 |
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| mandeep | My understanding from the last meeting was the we agreed that this will be a new plug-in | 19:04 |
| mandeep | And that for PoC/Juno we will make it a new core plugin | 19:04 |
| mandeep | If we agree with that, we can proceed to the next topoc | 19:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: yes, to satisfy the requirements we currently have this will need to be "configured" as a core plugin | 19:05 |
| mandeep | (we will revisit is post Juno to see how we can refactor it) | 19:05 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: Yes | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: however we can always build this as nicely separated functional blocks | 19:05 |
| mestery | Any questions on this from anyone? | 19:05 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: agreed. Let's make it core for now | 19:06 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: ^^^^ That right there. :) | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: so we can reuse most of what we are doing now if we decide to change course | 19:06 |
| mandeep | Yes, that is the plan. | 19:06 |
| banix | Sounds good; When we get to coding we will know more about issues that ay be there ... | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: precisely | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: so i will take a crack at getting this going | 19:07 |
| mandeep | mestery: I think we have agreement of this and we get started | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: ^^^ :-) | 19:07 |
| mestery | #info Group Policy will be implemented as a new core plugin for Juno timeframe. | 19:07 |
| mestery | OK, lets move on. | 19:07 |
| mestery | #topic Data Model | 19:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: sorry did not mean to talk over you, i agree | 19:07 |
| mestery | banix: This relates to your code you pushed I think. | 19:08 |
| banix | Just before we move on,I am a bit slow today | 19:08 |
| banix | more than my usual slow sef | 19:08 |
| mestery | #undo | 19:08 |
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| mestery | banix: No worries. :) | 19:08 |
| banix | So this plugin will be supporting the group policy extension. right? | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yes | 19:09 |
| mandeep | banix: yes | 19:09 |
| banix | there won't be any easy way for other plugins rouse the implementation in the short term. is that correct? | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: why not? | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: the implementation of the group policy extension has multiple aspects | 19:10 |
| mandeep | banix: Existing plugins will be used to "implement" policy using existing API | 19:10 |
| hemanthravi | will we have 2 plugins the core plugin and a group-policy plugin (like the service plugins) | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: firstly for the db part we can have a mixin (in line with what we are doing with all other extensions) | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: no | 19:10 |
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| hemanthravi | the core plugin will impl the group-policy apis? | 19:11 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: for the group policy extensions we will implement the db model in a mixin | 19:11 |
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| marun | i'm not sure I understand why a core plugin is necessary | 19:11 |
| hemanthravi | ok, got it | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: any other monolithic plugins wishing you implement group policy extensions can also inherit from that | 19:11 |
| marun | and what would it be targeting? | 19:11 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: So you are suggesting the implementation will be such that other plugins could ruse the group policy code | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | you -> to | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yes, that will be a design goal | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: to the extent possible | 19:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: some specific aspects of policy rendering will obviously be specific to the reference implementation | 19:13 |
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| marun | is the idea for a core plugin to be like ml2 - a framework for adding support for various implementations? | 19:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | marun: we would need to explore that | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: we could potentially have southbound plugin drivers | 19:14 |
| banix | So if we ignore the conflict that the core API may produce with the extension, we could reuse the extension code in another core plugin | 19:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yes on that latter, but i could not understand the conflict with the core API part | 19:14 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: I can see a case for that, so long as the implementation is abstracted from the api to allow both core api and extension api to target the same backend | 19:14 |
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| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: I agree | 19:15 |
| s3wong | marun: I think that would be the goal | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: yeah, we would probably need to iterate a bit to get it right (or validate that its the right approach) | 19:15 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | marun: gerrit reviews will help :-) | 19:15 |
| mestery | +1 to that marun | 19:16 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: I think it's the right approach regardless. Designing something that can be used without the api is essential to focused testing. | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i mean reviewer feedback | 19:16 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: (most code in the tree fails this smell test) | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: definitely agree | 19:16 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: core API may imply certain connectivity that may be in conflict with the policies being applied. I thought that was one of the issues. I may have misunderstood | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: its not so much the API | 19:16 |
| banix | right | 19:17 |
| banix | not the API | 19:17 |
| mandeep | banix: That is correct. But if a core plugin decides to implement the policy extensiosn, that plugin will have to resolve the same issues | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: its more the neutron plugin configuration model that would lend itself to more than one point of management of the neutron core resources if we don't have a core plugin | 19:17 |
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| banix | SumitNaiksatam: makes sense. | 19:17 |
| banix | that is what I meant | 19:18 |
| mestery | Cool. So I think we're all in agreement here on the new core plugin then? | 19:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: ok cool | 19:18 |
| banix | yes, with the goals specified above. | 19:18 |
| mestery | banix: great! | 19:18 |
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| mestery | OK, shall we move on then? | 19:19 |
| banix | yes on my end... | 19:19 |
| mestery | #topic Data Model | 19:19 |
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| mestery | OK, we wanted to discuss this from the angle of the original document. | 19:19 |
| s3wong | OK | 19:20 |
| mestery | I think mandeep had some comments here. | 19:20 |
| mandeep | Yes, I has a few questions regarding where we were w.r.t to the contarct model | 19:20 |
| mandeep | I understand that the policy currently implemented is essentially a policy on logical links (that is between connectivity groups) | 19:21 |
| banix | there are no contracts in the model we agreed on. | 19:21 |
| mandeep | That, IMO, loses a lot of the power that comes with a contarct based model | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: i think we need to strive to be more declarative | 19:21 |
| mandeep | (as discusses in the first part of the model section in the blueprint) | 19:21 |
| mestery | Yes: The contract model is in the original design document. | 19:22 |
| mandeep | Ideally we want a declarative policy model that allows for late binding and devops type of automations | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: firstly, i would like to hear from the team here, if we all agree that we want a declarative model | 19:22 |
| prasadv | it seems like contract model is more generic than the connectivity model | 19:22 |
| mandeep | prasadv: Exactly | 19:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: the rest of the discussion might flow from that | 19:23 |
| s3wong | I remember the model changed when we moved into the src-dst group list model | 19:23 |
| mestery | prasadv: Yes, and the document has both models in it as well. | 19:23 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Agreed | 19:23 |
| prasadv | sumitNaiksatam: yes | 19:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: do you agree? | 19:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: declarative model goal? | 19:23 |
| banix | sure | 19:23 |
| mandeep | banix: Great | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: cool | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so no objections | 19:24 |
| songole | I like it better. what are the consequences of the change? | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so in that context, i think in the current model in the latter part of the document we are confusing the implementation with the tenant facing abstractions | 19:24 |
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| mandeep | Should a "service provider" be able to define it's policies independent is it's user (which can be determined in a different workflow) | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think from a user perspective you only want to declare the following: | 19:25 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: That's entirally possible, I struggled with that, and in fact for the Use Cases I have a comment to that effect there :) | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | my endpoint group provides the following contract | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or, my endpoint group consumes the following contract | 19:25 |
| mandeep | songole: The current model couples defining policy from a providers perspective with it's binding to a specific usage | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | now the underlying implementation renders the policy on the link that ties the two endpoint groups together | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so far make sense to everyone? | 19:26 |
| thinrichs | Sorry--missed what the "contract" bit is. Example? | 19:26 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: that is reasonable but some may find the other model easier to understand… Mandeep was saying the opposite… | 19:27 |
| banix | I thought we agreed that at the end of he day the two models can be converted to each other easily | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: all that i am saying is that we expose the provider/consumer contracts to the end user | 19:27 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: correct. We were operating on a provider/consumer model for a long time in the beginning | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | each contracts is a collection of policies | 19:27 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Yes, that. | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *contract | 19:28 |
| mandeep | At least, from the way SumitNaiksatam explained it, I see the link based rendering "assembly" for a "higher level" contracts and bindings specified independenly | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the underlying implementation matches the provider contract to the consumer contract | 19:28 |
| banix | Sumit, exploring is fine but that will require changes in the object model, API, ... | 19:28 |
| thinrichs | So we'd say something like… group A of endpoints allows incoming HTTP requests on port 80? | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thinrichs: thats correct | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thinrichs: via a contract | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: changes are not that much | 19:29 |
| prasadv | sumitNaiksatam: the binding happens when consumer wants to connect to producer right? | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: will take crack at this and something your way | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prasadv: yes | 19:29 |
| thinrichs | Any way to stop traffic originating on port 80 from group A and ending at port 81 in group B but allow all other traffic? | 19:29 |
| mandeep | thinrichs: A contract is logically corelated set of policies that are provided by a service | 19:30 |
| mandeep | prasadv: Correct | 19:30 |
| thinrichs | mandeep: understood--I was asking if that model is expressive enough to do what we want. | 19:30 |
| mandeep | thinrichs: My claim is that the current model is not (and does not even represent that yet) | 19:30 |
| thinrichs | mandeep: you're saying that my second example is inexpressible in the version where we attach policy to 2 groups? | 19:31 |
| mandeep | And in expressiveness this become a real concern - let us take a use-case: | 19:31 |
| mandeep | Say I am a provider of services to multiple tenants which has a set of policies A applied to it | 19:32 |
| hemanthravi | thinrichs: that should still work, the contract/policy can define that..allow incoming to 80 from 81 | 19:32 |
| thinrichs | hemanthravi: agreed. | 19:32 |
| mandeep | Let me say that I have a 1000 users of this policy | 19:32 |
| hemanthravi | group a provides it...and group b uses that contract | 19:32 |
| mandeep | And now, I find a new security issue and want to update my contract from policies A to A' | 19:33 |
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| mandeep | In a contract base model, I just update my contract and the underlying implementation translates it to 1000 x links | 19:33 |
| thinrichs | mandeep: I can see that there are things you might want to say when we attach policy to group A that we can't say if we are forced to attach policy to 2 groups (without copying that policy and applying to all pairs A, A'). | 19:33 |
| thinrichs | mandeep: understood. | 19:34 |
| mandeep | In the current case, the admin will have to know where these policies are used and chnage them one by ine | 19:34 |
| hemanthravi | will it also lend to discovery/directory of contracts... | 19:34 |
| hemanthravi | that consumers could use | 19:34 |
| thinrichs | Perhaps we've identified use cases for both the 1-group and 2-group style of policies. Didn't we think we could express the 1-group version with the 2-group version? | 19:34 |
| mandeep | thinrichs: That is a different - and important - use case that a contarct can express more succiently | 19:34 |
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| thinrichs | mandeep: Understood. And I think it's more than just about succinctness. | 19:35 |
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| mandeep | hemanthravi: Precisely, this now separates the provider workflow from the consumer workflow. And that allows creation of directory/brokers/marketplace | 19:35 |
| thinrichs | The 1-group model will apply not only to all the groups that currently exist but also all the groups that will ever be created. | 19:35 |
| mandeep | thinrichs: I agree. I was over simplifying it. | 19:36 |
| thinrichs | In the 2-group model, we can't apply policy to every group that will ever be created in the future. | 19:36 |
| mandeep | thinrichs: That was what I meant by the "late binding" comment that I made earlier. | 19:37 |
| banix | mandeep, you may need to specify more information on a contract to differentiate among consumers…. when you do that you are close to the other model | 19:37 |
| marun | mandeep: when you say directory/broker/marketplace, i hear 'we're off in the weeds' | 19:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thinrichs: if we introduce reflexive association for endpoint groups we can possible achieve that | 19:37 |
| thinrichs | So it seems we were wrong previously in thinking that the 2-group model is sufficient to encode the 1-group model. | 19:37 |
| mandeep | banix: That can be handled in the contacts by using labels (for example) | 19:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yes that can be encoded in the contracts | 19:37 |
| mandeep | marun: Can you be more specific? | 19:37 |
| banix | policies across tenants, the consumer/producer model is better | 19:38 |
| thinrichs | SumitNaiksatam: there are certainly things we could do to increase the expressiveness model, e.g. make groups a test in the condition of the policy statements, instead of a thing we create via the API. | 19:38 |
| banix | otherwise with labels we get back to something close to the other model | 19:38 |
| banix | so regardless of the merits of the two models | 19:38 |
| banix | the current object model is supposed to work for both | 19:39 |
| banix | isn't that what we worked out early on? | 19:39 |
| mandeep | banix: No, it allows a provider to provide a "red contarct" and a "green contarct" that any consumer can use later | 19:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thinrichs: agree (assuming i understood what you just said ;-)) | 19:39 |
| thinrichs | SumitNaiksatam: :) | 19:39 |
| banix | man deep, couldn't that be expressed by defining plicies for a single group? | 19:40 |
| mandeep | banix: In general, we can always represent the link based model in this way, so it is a superset that allows for useful operation models | 19:40 |
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| banix | sorry misspelled | 19:40 |
| prasadv | banix: with labels, it seems like the producer is advertising how to access what it is serving and consumer attaches to it right. when consumer epxresses to attach then they are bound like the other model | 19:40 |
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| mandeep | banix: Except that it can be done in advanced and published. The users can bind later | 19:41 |
| banix | prasadv: right | 19:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | to thinrichs's point we can make this model more expressive as we go along | 19:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the contract allows us the footprint to do that | 19:41 |
| mestery | Folks, just a time check: We only have 20 minutes left here. | 19:41 |
| prasadv | also labels is one way to do it. based on what is on the rules, it could be other matches | 19:41 |
| mandeep | banix: Also, we can update contracts later much more easily | 19:41 |
| banix | SO I guess my question is what do we need to add to the model we currently have at the end of the google doc | 19:42 |
| mestery | The thing we wanted to get across here was adding contracts into the Object Model. | 19:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it might be difficult for people to digest everything in the first shot | 19:42 |
| mestery | mandeep SumitNaiksatam: Correct me if I've oversimplified there :) | 19:42 |
| banix | shall we work that out and discuss again? | 19:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets start with the contracts defintion | 19:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: yeah agree | 19:42 |
| mestery | So, I think we're all in agreement on adding contracts into the Object Model right? | 19:42 |
| mandeep | mestery: I agree. We wil have to uodate the doc to explain this discussion | 19:42 |
| mandeep | mestery: Right | 19:42 |
| mestery | I just think we're wandering into the weeds in this meeting a bit :) | 19:43 |
| hemanthravi | agreed | 19:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | contract will look very similary to the existing policy, the difference is in the relationships | 19:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | *simlar | 19:43 |
| mestery | So, lets put a stake in the ground on contracts being added in. | 19:43 |
| mestery | Yes | 19:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | damn invented a new word | 19:43 |
| mestery | YHa! | 19:43 |
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| mandeep | mestery: agreed | 19:43 |
| s3wong | mestery: agreed | 19:43 |
| mestery | Cool. | 19:43 |
| prasadv | mestery, sumitnaiksatam: best to put in document and discuss | 19:44 |
| mestery | #info Group Policy Team to look at adding contracts into Object Model. | 19:44 |
| mestery | prasadv: Agreed. | 19:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prasadv: sure, yes | 19:44 |
| banix | Can you guys work out the description and update the doc so we can discuss next time | 19:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prasadv: wanted to discuss here before we did that | 19:44 |
| mestery | Who wants to add that into the doc? SumitNaiksatam? mandeep? prasadv? | 19:44 |
| mandeep | banix: OK | 19:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yes definitely | 19:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: yeah | 19:44 |
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| s3wong | banix: yes, I think doing this in doc is definitely necessary | 19:44 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Sold! | 19:44 |
| mestery | ;)_ | 19:44 |
| mestery | #action SumitNaiksatam to update doc with contracts in object model | 19:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: of damn, i was just agreeing with you | 19:45 |
| mestery | ha! | 19:45 |
| mestery | :) | 19:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *oh | 19:45 |
| prasadv | sumitnaiksatam: let me know if you want help there | 19:45 |
| mestery | prasadv: Nice, thanks! | 19:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prasadv: yes, absolutely, lets do it collaboratively | 19:45 |
| mestery | OK, 15 minutes left, should we move to the next topic? | 19:45 |
| mestery | #undo | 19:45 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x2d0a710> | 19:45 |
| s3wong | we may want to run some use cases against the new model as well | 19:45 |
| mestery | #action SumitNaiksatam and prasadv to update document to add contracts to Object Model | 19:45 |
| mandeep | s3wong: Yes, that is critical | 19:45 |
| mestery | s3wong: Good idea | 19:45 |
| mestery | #topic Policy API | 19:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we will have banix watch over our shoulder ;) | 19:46 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Did you want to cover this? | 19:46 |
| s3wong | oh well, with the new model, APIs would need to change | 19:46 |
| banix | :) | 19:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: yeah, i did not touch anything since yesterday | 19:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: s3wong and i met | 19:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: we thought we would hold off | 19:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: so not for lack of effort ;-) | 19:46 |
| mestery | Ha! :) | 19:47 |
| mestery | Cool. | 19:47 |
| s3wong | yeah, no point to submit the API code if we have changes on the horizon | 19:47 |
| mestery | Any questions on the API SumitNaiksatam and s3wong published last week? | 19:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: lets punt this item to the next week | 19:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: we will make progress | 19:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: better discussed in the context of today's discussion | 19:47 |
| mestery | OK, sounds good. Thanks SumitNaiksatam. | 19:47 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 19:48 |
| mestery | #topic Open Issues/Discussion | 19:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: oh but one thing, if there are any suggestions on testing, etc, please let us know | 19:48 |
| s3wong | and we will need to update the APIs according to the new model, if and when it is agreed upon by everyone | 19:48 |
| mestery | s3wong: Yes | 19:48 |
| banix | yes we should postpone that discussion | 19:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | testing -> UTs | 19:48 |
| banix | s3wong: that's what i meant | 19:48 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: On the topic of testing, I have a review that demonstrates a retargetable unit test: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72585/ | 19:48 |
| s3wong | banix: sure :-) | 19:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: thanks much, will take a look | 19:49 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: the idea is to write functional tests that can target a plugin's api directly, but can also target a deployed instance using tempest | 19:49 |
| cgoncalves | mestery: you did not refresh the group policy meeting page since ~1 hour, yes? :) | 19:49 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: It offers the promise of only having to write api tests once, have those tests exist in the neutron tree, but be able to target running deployments. | 19:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: ok sure, i will bug (i am slow :-( ) | 19:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | * bug you | 19:49 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: please do :) | 19:50 |
| mestery | cgoncalves: Whoops! Actually, I refreshed 10 minutes before the meeting :P | 19:50 |
| mestery | Client library was your topic cgoncalves? | 19:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: sure will try to understand and reach out to you accordingly | 19:50 |
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| mandeep | marun: Good idea | 19:50 |
| s3wong | marun: yes, will take a look at your link above | 19:50 |
| cgoncalves | mestery: yes. I just wanted to add to this meeting that I've started working on python-neutronclient for group policy | 19:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: nice | 19:51 |
| s3wong | cgoncalves: very good! | 19:51 |
| cgoncalves | but it seems much will change on the API side, so better hold it a little longer | 19:51 |
| banix | cgoncalves: great | 19:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: i am guessing you are using the google doc as you are reference? | 19:51 |
| cgoncalves | https://github.com/cgoncalves/python-neutronclient/compare/group-policy | 19:51 |
| s3wong | cgoncalves: yeah - sorry about that :-) | 19:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | you are -> your | 19:51 |
| prasadv | cgoncalves: great | 19:51 |
| mestery | Very good cgoncalves! | 19:52 |
| mestery | Thanks for your contributions here! | 19:52 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: I am, and I did detect diffs between your API code and the doc | 19:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: there might be more :-) | 19:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: but great thing to get started | 19:52 |
| s3wong | cgoncalves: yeah - for example, action is now a Neutron object | 19:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: lets all keep in close loop | 19:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: right | 19:52 |
| s3wong | we just went along when we coded :-) | 19:52 |
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| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: I've them written down on paper not to forget to re-review them later once you pushed a new version | 19:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: sweet, thanks for factoring in the changes | 19:53 |
| cgoncalves | banix: same for your work on the DB model ;) | 19:53 |
| mestery | cgoncalves: I'll keep a slot for client changes each week so we stay on the same page. | 19:53 |
| banix | sounds good; thanks | 19:53 |
| mandeep | cgoncalves: Is it on the shared github tree? | 19:53 |
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| cgoncalves | no problem, folks. I'm more than glad to help you. newbie here so bear with me | 19:53 |
| s3wong | mandeep: I think cgoncalves provides a link above | 19:54 |
| cgoncalves | I did. here it is again: https://github.com/cgoncalves/python-neutronclient/compare/group-policy | 19:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: we don't have a repo for neutron client on the shared temp repo | 19:54 |
| s3wong | but it isn't on our shared tree | 19:54 |
| mandeep | s3wong: cgoncalves: Ooops I missed that! | 19:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: we can add that | 19:54 |
| s3wong | there isn't a repo in our shared tree yet | 19:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yeah | 19:54 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: OK | 19:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: should be easy to migrate | 19:54 |
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| cgoncalves | s3wong, SumitNaiksatam: I can pushed it in to it as long as I have perms | 19:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: sure, will get back to you | 19:55 |
| cgoncalves | that is, if you'd like to | 19:55 |
| s3wong | cgoncalves: I believe mandeep is managing that? | 19:55 |
| cgoncalves | ok, thanks. | 19:55 |
| mandeep | s3wong: Yes, I will set that up | 19:55 |
| mestery | #action mandeep to setup neutronclient shared repo | 19:55 |
| mestery | Thanks mandeep! | 19:55 |
| mestery | OK, 5 minutes left. Anything else for this week? | 19:56 |
| cgoncalves | the code is still in its earlies. started yesterday afternoon, so... | 19:56 |
| s3wong | mestery: well, PoC may be delayed, hopefully we can still make the J-Summit | 19:56 |
| mandeep | cgoncalves: As is all other code ... don't worry | 19:56 |
| mestery | s3wong: True dat. | 19:56 |
| mandeep | s3wong: We still intent to | 19:56 |
| mandeep | s3wong: ;-) | 19:57 |
| cgoncalves | mestery: there is yet another topic "services discussion". not sure you want to start it now | 19:57 |
| s3wong | cgoncalves: not in three minutes :-) | 19:57 |
| mestery | The service itme was to mention we'll cover it in a services meeting next week | 19:57 |
| mestery | See the link in the agenda | 19:57 |
| mestery | And plan to attend next week | 19:57 |
| mestery | So, with that, lets call this meeting. | 19:57 |
| cgoncalves | mestery: oh, ok. | 19:57 |
| mestery | Thanks folks, progress is good! | 19:57 |
| banix | thanks everybody | 19:57 |
| mestery | Appreciate all the work from everybody! | 19:58 |
| s3wong | thanks! | 19:58 |
| mandeep | mestery: Thanks! | 19:58 |
| prasadv | thanks | 19:58 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 19:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 27 19:58:07 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-02-27-19.00.html | 19:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all, bye! | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-02-27-19.00.txt | 19:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-02-27-19.00.log.html | 19:58 |
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| cgoncalves | thanks everyone | 19:58 |
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| rockyg | #meeting-start RefStack | 22:01 |
| catherineD | Here | 22:01 |
| davidlenwell | isn't it start-meeting? | 22:01 |
| zehicle_at_dell | o/ | 22:01 |
| rockyg | o/ | 22:01 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #meetingstart | 22:01 |
| rockyg | #meetingstart Refstack | 22:01 |
| malini | hello! first time joining defcore | 22:02 |
| * zehicle_at_dell appoints rockyg to be chair | 22:02 | |
| waiman | hi | 22:02 |
| clarkb | startmeeting | 22:02 |
| rockyg | Nope. I thing it's startmeeting | 22:02 |
| rockyg | #startmeeting refstack | 22:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 27 22:02:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rockyg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 22:02 | |
| davidlenwell | there we go | 22:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 22:02 |
| zehicle_at_dell | bingo! | 22:02 |
| davidlenwell | we'll get the hang on this one day | 22:02 |
| rockyg | There we go. roll call for those who haven't typed in here since the reall start | 22:02 |
| rockyg | :-) | 22:03 |
| waiman | hi | 22:03 |
| rockyg | Do we have an agenda? | 22:03 |
| davidlenwell | I only really have a few things to share since last week | 22:03 |
| rockyg | If not, #topic F2F next week | 22:04 |
| davidlenwell | so the main thng I wanted to cover is getting us into stackforge | 22:04 |
| rockyg | #topic F2F week of 3/3 | 22:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "F2F week of 3/3 (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 22:04 | |
| davidlenwell | its been a rocky path | 22:04 |
| zehicle_at_dell | let's collect agenda items | 22:04 |
| rockyg | #topic Stackforge | 22:04 |
| davidlenwell | yeah .. | 22:04 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | since we have meeting on Monday | 22:04 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | and Demo on Tuesday | 22:05 |
| davidlenwell | stackforge, f2f, demo | 22:05 |
| davidlenwell | so we have a review to infra-config | 22:05 |
| davidlenwell | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75226/ | 22:05 |
| davidlenwell | that will put us in stackforge | 22:05 |
| rockyg | other stuff next week (lots of things happening locally and lots of folks around) | 22:05 |
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| rockyg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75226/ | 22:05 |
| davidlenwell | however because the infra team has been hitting some hicups in their automation we are delayed till tomorrow | 22:06 |
| davidlenwell | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/028130.html | 22:06 |
| davidlenwell | they are now doing new project fridays | 22:06 |
| davidlenwell | as you can see by that review that we have 3 +2's but not a +a .. they promise me we'll get the +A tomorrow and integrated | 22:07 |
| rockyg | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/028130.html | 22:07 |
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| rockyg | kewl | 22:07 |
| davidlenwell | yeah .. only took 8 days | 22:07 |
| davidlenwell | not bad considereing the backlog they have | 22:07 |
| tedchang | hi | 22:07 |
| davidlenwell | So once we are live in stack forge catherineD and her people can actually contribute | 22:08 |
| rockyg | will it build and be runnable? | 22:08 |
| catherineD | yes.. | 22:08 |
| davidlenwell | we're missing the runnable part from catherineD's team | 22:08 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: does it pass pep8 now ? | 22:08 |
| catherineD | yes | 22:08 |
| davidlenwell | awesome | 22:08 |
| rockyg | catherineD: double kewl | 22:08 |
| davidlenwell | thats good news .. | 22:08 |
| davidlenwell | so tomorrow when we are live .. I'll be in touch and we can get some code merged and tested | 22:09 |
| rockyg | It also means we'll have a good repository to work from next week. | 22:09 |
| * zehicle_at_dell high 5 everyone | 22:09 | |
| davidlenwell | I have a 3 node cluster here at my house I can run tests against running piston cloud | 22:09 |
| rockyg | would that be W// | 22:09 |
| catherineD | sure.. Unfortunately I will be out-of-town tomorrow .. | 22:09 |
| catherineD | great we need to test on some clouds that are out-side of our lab | 22:10 |
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| rockyg | +1 | 22:10 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #topic TCUP | 22:10 |
| davidlenwell | indeed | 22:10 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I was trying to get it to work w/ my Rackspace creds | 22:10 |
| davidlenwell | did you have any luck ? | 22:11 |
| zehicle_at_dell | but was not sure what to update in the config | 22:11 |
| zehicle_at_dell | no, Alex was trying to help me | 22:11 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I could get the CLI to work | 22:11 |
| zehicle_at_dell | so I know it can connect | 22:11 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I'll have some time tomorrow to play if you're available | 22:11 |
| davidlenwell | I will be around all day | 22:12 |
| zehicle_at_dell | when do you get in? | 22:12 |
| davidlenwell | I start working at around 9 am pst | 22:12 |
| zehicle_at_dell | cool, I'll ping you | 22:12 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I'm trying to get creds for some other test clouds | 22:12 |
| zehicle_at_dell | did we ever reduce the # of tests? we really only need a few for this part of the work | 22:13 |
| davidlenwell | if I can get my router working the way I want it before then I can give you some on mine | 22:13 |
| davidlenwell | yes we did | 22:13 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | so, for TCUP, we're planning a work session tomorrow at 9 | 22:14 |
| zehicle_at_dell | let's coordinate on #refstack and see if other people want to play along | 22:14 |
| davidlenwell | agreed | 22:14 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I think we are close, it seems like tempest is installed and runnable | 22:15 |
| rockyg | #info TCUP working session in #refstack starting 9am PST, 17:00 UTC | 22:15 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD has it running .. | 22:15 |
| davidlenwell | she'll share as soon as she's allowed to | 22:15 |
| davidlenwell | silly lawyers | 22:15 |
| zehicle_at_dell | ah, ok | 22:15 |
| rockyg | #ref to Shakespeare | 22:15 |
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| catherineD | And I also run a long test with 840 testcase ran (not all of them passed in my lab env) so want to see how it runs in other clouds | 22:16 |
| zehicle_at_dell | catherineD, can you compare your working stuff to what we have in davidlenwell repo? | 22:16 |
| catherineD | we are based on what Daivid has in the repo | 22:16 |
| * zehicle_at_dell looking forward to getting this out in the community | 22:17 | |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: zehicle_at_dell merged some changes just the other day | 22:17 |
| catherineD | ic | 22:17 |
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| davidlenwell | also .. joshua also took a crack at it .. put it in the scripts directory | 22:17 |
| zehicle_at_dell | thanks, I think I'm following the base, not david's | 22:17 |
| catherineD | what is the branch? we can test agaun ,, | 22:17 |
| davidlenwell | master | 22:17 |
| davidlenwell | my repo is what stackforge will pull from tomorrow for the initial commit | 22:18 |
| catherineD | have you made any update? | 22:18 |
| zehicle_at_dell | ah, we've got changes in 2 locations | 22:18 |
| davidlenwell | I got in there last week and made it pass flake8 tests and fixed the license headers | 22:19 |
| catherineD | update to the David branch that is .. | 22:19 |
| davidlenwell | should have been 3 commits.. mine, josh and zehicle_at_dell | 22:19 |
| zehicle_at_dell | it looks like josh and I did matching work in different directories | 22:19 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: you did .. | 22:19 |
| davidlenwell | within hours of each other | 22:20 |
| zehicle_at_dell | great minds | 22:20 |
| davidlenwell | so I have some sad news about next week.. | 22:20 |
| rockyg | is this topic baked? | 22:20 |
| davidlenwell | yes | 22:21 |
| zehicle_at_dell | +1 | 22:21 |
| davidlenwell | next is f2f | 22:21 |
| rockyg | #topic F2F | 22:21 |
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| rockyg | sad news? | 22:21 |
| davidlenwell | so my sad news is that I won't be able to make it to sf | 22:21 |
| rockyg | Dang! | 22:21 |
| davidlenwell | my land lord decided to evict me because of my girlfriends dog while I was out of town last week | 22:21 |
| davidlenwell | so I have to move | 22:22 |
| davidlenwell | which I was unprepaired for | 22:22 |
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| davidlenwell | but I am available for being skyped in to any meeitng | 22:22 |
| rockyg | :-( Hope you've found a nicer place | 22:22 |
| davidlenwell | not yet .. but I will | 22:22 |
| * zehicle_at_dell sad to hear that | 22:22 | |
| rockyg | I checked into space here. We've got wifi, conference rooms | 22:22 |
| rockyg | It's in Santa Clara, though. | 22:23 |
| catherineD | that is sad for the reason of eviction ,,, | 22:23 |
| zehicle_at_dell | Josh offered to host - we've got a full DefCore meeting at 3 | 22:23 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I should be in the office at 10 | 22:23 |
| davidlenwell | piston is always happy to host the refstack crew .. just fyi .. but thats up in the city | 22:23 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I'd like to do it at Piston b/c that's where the defcore meeting is | 22:24 |
| rockyg | So, let's do an info on location. Is Josh at Piston? | 22:24 |
| davidlenwell | is that on monday? | 22:24 |
| zehicle_at_dell | yes | 22:24 |
| davidlenwell | josh is cto of piston | 22:24 |
| rockyg | Ah. | 22:24 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreElephant.5 | 22:24 |
| zehicle_at_dell | that's the DefCore meeting | 22:24 |
| davidlenwell | is that meeting monday ? | 22:24 |
| zehicle_at_dell | yy | 22:25 |
| davidlenwell | I might have to try to come up for the day .. I'll let you guys know | 22:25 |
| zehicle_at_dell | w/ davidlenwell remote, we're going to have to work via hangout so remote work gets easier | 22:25 |
| rockyg | #INFO Piston Cloud 49 Geary St. Suite 530 San Francisco, CA 94108 | 22:26 |
| catherineD | so DefCore meeting is at 3:00 | 22:26 |
| zehicle_at_dell | note on TCUP - those files are not the same. They have differences that we may need to reconcile | 22:26 |
| rockyg | Will we still meet at 10am for the F2F at Piston? | 22:26 |
| zehicle_at_dell | yes | 22:27 |
| rockyg | Good. | 22:27 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I'll confirm w/ Josh, but that was the commitment. he said there was a room reserved for it | 22:27 |
| davidlenwell | I can check that from other channels as well | 22:27 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I suspect we'll stop at 3 for the DefCore meeting. | 22:27 |
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| rockyg | Yup. | 22:28 |
| rockyg | I'm hoping for an attitude readjustment seminar after. | 22:28 |
| zehicle_at_dell | since demo of TCUP + RefStack is topic for that meeting, would be good to lead off w/ that | 22:28 |
| zehicle_at_dell | rockyg, I think we were planning drinks - is that sufficient? | 22:28 |
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| davidlenwell | piston has lots of snacks .. and we like to share | 22:29 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | "Note: you MUST bring your own beverages to join by remote. We will verify." | 22:29 |
| rockyg | Agenda: Current State - Gaps to demo, demo,m refstack | 22:29 |
| zehicle_at_dell | +1 | 22:29 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #topic demo prep | 22:29 |
| rockyg | Drinks would work. Nearest microbrewery would, too. I know about Great Bear, but one might be closer. | 22:29 |
| davidlenwell | piston is populated with alchoholics | 22:30 |
| davidlenwell | who can't spell | 22:30 |
| davidlenwell | ;) | 22:30 |
| rockyg | Demo prep: identification of required SW, HW, Networks, display | 22:31 |
| rockyg | zehicle_at_dell will be pre3senting, correct? | 22:31 |
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| rockyg | Or, do you want catherineD and Zehicle_at_dell to do the talking? | 22:32 |
| zehicle_at_dell | yy | 22:32 |
| catherineD | let's talk about what we are demoing ... | 22:33 |
| zehicle_at_dell | For the board meeting, I'm running it | 22:33 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we may also have Josh run it too | 22:33 |
| zehicle_at_dell | It does not have to us at the DefCore meeting, but I'll sleep better on Monday if I know I have a working demo | 22:33 |
| rockyg | Would be nice to show two test sets and how easy it is to switch, if that's the case. | 22:34 |
| davidlenwell | should be doable | 22:34 |
| catherineD | So are we demoing running the tests .. | 22:35 |
| rockyg | Then let's talk environment. do we have one that everyone(at lest those running) can access and that already works? | 22:35 |
| davidlenwell | depending on the state of things from catherineD's team | 22:35 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: how much of the hard coding of settings have you been able to get passed? | 22:35 |
| catherineD | we are down to the last 2 modules | 22:35 |
| catherineD | the problem is we need to be able to check in code | 22:36 |
| catherineD | or all the code is still with us | 22:36 |
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| davidlenwell | the infra team has told me we should merge tomorrow and be good | 22:36 |
| rockyg | last week you said lawyers were OK with checkin if it was stackforge? | 22:36 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: but we still aren't in stackforge and catherineD isn't working tomorro w | 22:37 |
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| davidlenwell | but then it still has to pass review | 22:37 |
| davidlenwell | so we are running out of time | 22:37 |
| davidlenwell | unless any of her people can work over the weekend at all | 22:37 |
| rockyg | Can it be non-voting to start? | 22:38 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: that sounds messy .. | 22:38 |
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| davidlenwell | but I suppose it could | 22:38 |
| rockyg | Key is. We get the "vote, | 22:38 |
| rockyg | " but we don't break if it is -1 | 22:38 |
| rockyg | If we can do that. | 22:39 |
| catherineD | or we can demo what we showed last week to David | 22:39 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we topic jumped | 22:39 |
| davidlenwell | indeed | 22:39 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I'm ok w/ that - I think we lined out the demo last meeting | 22:39 |
| rockyg | Just wanna make sure you know the environment you will run on and can do some test runs | 22:40 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: worst case I think demoing what you showed me is fine | 22:40 |
| catherineD | ok that is much better ... | 22:40 |
| rockyg | So, worst case, we have catherineD's code and environment and we know it works. | 22:41 |
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| rockyg | #action fallback plan is to run catherineD's code in here environment from the last F2F | 22:41 |
| davidlenwell | anythings else we need to cover? | 22:43 |
| rockyg | If we get catherineD s code in the repo, then everyone can give it some test runs and make the calls | 22:43 |
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| catherineD | For testing of the new code, let's plan to have some public cloud for the f2f worjking session .. | 22:43 |
| catherineD | +1 about getting code tp repo | 22:44 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: so you said you aren't around tomorrow? | 22:44 |
| catherineD | yes I have a planned day off ... | 22:44 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: and I imagine you don't work on weekends? | 22:44 |
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| davidlenwell | can someone else on your team commit code ? | 22:45 |
| catherineD | I will be available Sunday afernoon .. | 22:45 |
| zehicle_at_dell_ | back | 22:45 |
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| catherineD | I will check with my team .. | 22:45 |
| catherineD | about commit code .. | 22:45 |
| rockyg | +1 | 22:45 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: it would be ideal if we could commit sooner rahter than later | 22:45 |
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| catherineD | +1 as soon as it is ready .. | 22:46 |
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| rockyg | anything else on demo or stackforge? | 22:47 |
| davidlenwell | I don't think so | 22:47 |
| catherineD | Can someone send email when StackForge is ready? | 22:47 |
| davidlenwell | I will | 22:48 |
| zehicle_at_dell_ | any updates on API for posting? | 22:48 |
| rockyg | #topic status and updates | 22:48 |
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| rockyg | Doesn't sound like it. | 22:49 |
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| davidlenwell | I think catherineD had roughed out some methods in the api | 22:49 |
| davidlenwell | should work as a start | 22:49 |
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| catherineD | yep | 22:50 |
| rockyg | davidlenwell: you mentioned you had sketched out some drawings on architecture. If you've got that and other rough stuff, I can work tomorrow on getting it into the wiki, which will make it usable for slides. | 22:51 |
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| davidlenwell | I will eamil you some photos of whiteboards | 22:51 |
| davidlenwell | and im around to chat about it if you need to | 22:51 |
| rockyg | fantastic | 22:51 |
| rockyg | 8 minutes | 22:52 |
| rockyg | #topic open discussion | 22:52 |
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| rockyg | Anything else we're forgetting? | 22:53 |
| davidlenwell | I think we've covered most of it unless osmeone else has questions | 22:53 |
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| catherineD | we will be at the RefStack working session? | 22:53 |
| rockyg | Yes. Shooting for 10am. | 22:53 |
| davidlenwell | I am working out how to get up for the day | 22:53 |
| rockyg | rent an rv and live out of it until you find your apartment?-) | 22:54 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: tempting | 22:54 |
| davidlenwell | josh just told me to move to sf and forget my home town | 22:54 |
| rockyg | Almost works for me. SF is too city. | 22:55 |
| davidlenwell | yeah .. I could handle pacifica | 22:55 |
| davidlenwell | for santa cruze | 22:55 |
| davidlenwell | cruz | 22:55 |
| rockyg | +100 | 22:55 |
| rockyg | Well, if there's nothing else... | 22:56 |
| davidlenwell | that will do it | 22:56 |
| rockyg | #endmeeting | 22:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 27 22:56:33 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-02-27-22.02.html | 22:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-02-27-22.02.txt | 22:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-02-27-22.02.log.html | 22:56 |
| catherineD | Hope things work your way David | 22:56 |
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| * zehicle_at_dell_ looking forward to seeing everyone next week | 22:58 | |
| rockyg | +1 | 22:58 |
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