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| tfukushima | #startmeeting kuryr | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 9 03:00:38 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tfukushima. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kuryr' | 03:00 |
| tfukushima | Hi, I'm starting the regular Kuryr meeting. | 03:01 |
| fawadkhaliq | hi tfukushima | 03:01 |
| tfukushima | Hi fawadkhaliq. | 03:01 |
| tfukushima | #link Today's agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kuryr#Meeting_February_9.2C_2016 | 03:02 |
| tfukushima | banix gets sick today, I'm organising the meeting. | 03:02 |
| fawadkhaliq | sorry to hear. get well soon banix | 03:03 |
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| tfukushima | So only me and fawadkhaliq are present today? | 03:03 |
| fawadkhaliq | tfukushima: :-) | 03:04 |
| tfukushima | We could go quick. :-p | 03:04 |
| fawadkhaliq | lol yeah | 03:04 |
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| tfukushima | #info fawadkhaliq and tfukushima are present | 03:04 |
| fawadkhaliq | Not sure if you want to discuss the k8s integration right now | 03:05 |
| fawadkhaliq | I have some things to discuss on the nested containers | 03:05 |
| fawadkhaliq | we can discuss that and anything else you have in mind | 03:05 |
| tfukushima | Ok, let's go that path first then | 03:05 |
| tfukushima | #topic Nested containers | 03:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Nested containers (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 03:05 | |
| tfukushima | fawadkhaliq: Please go on. | 03:05 |
| fawadkhaliq | I addressed most of the comments in the latest patchset | 03:06 |
| fawadkhaliq | there is one area of discussion we are looking at Magnum folks raised | 03:06 |
| tfukushima | That is? | 03:07 |
| fawadkhaliq | Hongbin Lu mentioned that we should support networking for Magnum containers even when native tools like Docker CLI are used | 03:07 |
| fawadkhaliq | If we go down that path, then we are looking at Kuryr agent to communicate Kuryr endpoint/Neutron over the management/API endpoints | 03:08 |
| fawadkhaliq | I was thinking we should keep the scope limited in the first phase and only go with Magnum container API support | 03:08 |
| fawadkhaliq | So question is what makes sense right now, solution is there to support both | 03:09 |
| fawadkhaliq | however, the second requirement would introduce something we want to avoid. | 03:09 |
| fawadkhaliq | tfukushima: what do you think? | 03:09 |
| tfukushima | aEventually we'd look into the networking support for Magnum but at this point it's a bit ambitious. | 03:12 |
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| tfukushima | And the networking is happening with the K8s part. | 03:13 |
| tfukushima | I mean, the networking for containers. | 03:13 |
| fawadkhaliq | tfukushima: agree, that's why I would like to keep this as a phased approach. | 03:14 |
| fawadkhaliq | we start with Magnum Container API and then work towards supporting the use cases, where native tools comes into the picture | 03:15 |
| fawadkhaliq | tfukushima: so, cool. That was one thing. Please feel free to comment on the spec as well. | 03:15 |
| fawadkhaliq | Two more small items | 03:15 |
| tfukushima | It'd be good to see the coming future though. | 03:16 |
| tfukushima | But we can set the narrower scope at this point and you may be able to make it clear in your comments. | 03:16 |
| fawadkhaliq | tfukushima: yes exactly, we will capture that it will be handled at the later stage and define the scope clearly | 03:17 |
| fawadkhaliq | That's all I wanted to discuss on the spec | 03:17 |
| fawadkhaliq | So two more things | 03:18 |
| tfukushima | Yep. | 03:18 |
| fawadkhaliq | I have created the launchpad blueprints for Kuryr agent and Kuryr deployment via Heat | 03:18 |
| fawadkhaliq | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr/+spec/kuryr-agent | 03:18 |
| fawadkhaliq | We will capture details about the agent in this spec | 03:18 |
| fawadkhaliq | and | 03:18 |
| fawadkhaliq | for the action item from last week that gsagie and I had to kick off the design spec for Kuryr deployment via Heat | 03:19 |
| fawadkhaliq | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr/+spec/kuryr-magnum-heat-deployment | 03:19 |
| fawadkhaliq | we will be pushing the details very soon once | 03:19 |
| fawadkhaliq | kicked off with blueprints right now. | 03:19 |
| tfukushima | Heat template for Kuryr would be nice. | 03:20 |
| tfukushima | Great. | 03:20 |
| fawadkhaliq | next up is address the comments and hopefully start working on the details for deployment. gsagie and I will discuss | 03:20 |
| fawadkhaliq | that's all on the nested containers | 03:21 |
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| tfukushima | Ok, thanks. I have to take a careful read on the spec. | 03:22 |
| fawadkhaliq | tfukushima: please do | 03:22 |
| tfukushima | #link nested container spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269039/ | 03:22 |
| fawadkhaliq | thanks | 03:22 |
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| tfukushima | Oh, I guess it was supposed to be "Magnum integration" topic. | 03:23 |
| tfukushima | #topic Magnum integration | 03:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Magnum integration (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 03:23 | |
| tfukushima | #action Everyone reviews the spec again: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269039/ | 03:23 |
| fawadkhaliq | thanks | 03:24 |
| fawadkhaliq | I guess that's all for today? :-) | 03:24 |
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| tfukushima | Or do we want to discuss about K8s integration? :-p | 03:25 |
| fawadkhaliq | I was thinking would be better with majority of the stakeholders here | 03:25 |
| fawadkhaliq | irenab sent an update via ML | 03:26 |
| tfukushima | #topic Kubernetes Integration | 03:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kubernetes Integration (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 03:26 | |
| tfukushima | #action Everyone takes a look at irenab's initiative on Kuryr ML | 03:26 |
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| tfukushima | fawadkhaliq: Do you have the link to her mail? | 03:27 |
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| fawadkhaliq | tfukushima: let me find | 03:27 |
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| fawadkhaliq | tfukushima: it somehow missed the openstack-dev alias :( | 03:28 |
| fawadkhaliq | so no link | 03:28 |
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| tfukushima | Ok, anyways I missed the meeting but it seems we'd make changes to Kuryr for supporting K8s. | 03:29 |
| tfukushima | And we'd have the centralized component which watches K8s API and the agent-ish distributed components on each host to do the binding notified by the centralized compnent. | 03:30 |
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| tfukushima | "Kubernetes Watcher API - what information can Kuryr find?" | 03:31 |
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| tfukushima | #action Everyone sees the Kubernets Watch API | 03:32 |
| tfukushima | #link K8s Swagger UI http://kubernetes.io/third_party/swagger-ui/ | 03:32 |
| tfukushima | Ok, that's it. | 03:33 |
| tfukushima | #topic Fullstack / Rally tests | 03:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Fullstack / Rally tests (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 03:33 | |
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| tfukushima | Anyone related to this topic is here? I'll give 30 seconds for each topic from now on and please interrupt me if you have anything. | 03:34 |
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| tfukushima | It seems Baohua submitted some patches. | 03:35 |
| tfukushima | #link Kuryr plugin for Rally https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274014/ | 03:35 |
| tfukushima | #topic Packaging | 03:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Packaging (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 03:36 | |
| tfukushima | I haven't heard anything about it yet personally. | 03:36 |
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| tfukushima | #action apuimedo or gsagie check the status of packaging | 03:37 |
| tfukushima | #topic Reviews | 03:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 03:37 | |
| tfukushima | We have some patches pending. | 03:38 |
| tfukushima | #link Current Kuryr patches https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/kuryr+status:open | 03:38 |
| tfukushima | #action Everyone review the patches | 03:38 |
| tfukushima | #action Everyone adds reviewers on submitting patches | 03:39 |
| tfukushima | #topic Bugs | 03:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 03:39 | |
| tfukushima | #link Current Kuryr bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/kuryr | 03:40 |
| tfukushima | I also heard about pyroute2's IPDB issue on scaling cluster from banix. | 03:41 |
| tfukushima | He's sick so we'd talk later. | 03:41 |
| tfukushima | #action banix brings the detail of pyroute2's IPDB issue and discuss with tfukushima | 03:41 |
| tfukushima | #topic Open Discussion | 03:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 03:42 | |
| tfukushima | fawadkhaliq: Do you have anything else you want to share? If you don't I'll finish the meeting. | 03:42 |
| fawadkhaliq | tfukushima: negative | 03:43 |
| fawadkhaliq | let's finish it :-) | 03:43 |
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| tfukushima | fawadkhaliq : Ok, thanks for attending. | 03:43 |
| fawadkhaliq | thank you, bye! | 03:43 |
| tfukushima | #endmeeting | 03:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 03:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 9 03:43:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2016/kuryr.2016-02-09-03.00.html | 03:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2016/kuryr.2016-02-09-03.00.txt | 03:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2016/kuryr.2016-02-09-03.00.log.html | 03:43 |
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| EmilienM | #startmeeting puppet-openstack | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 9 15:00:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 15:00 |
| mfisch | morning | 15:00 |
| richm | hello | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | #link agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-weekly-meeting-20160209 | 15:00 |
| mwhahaha | hi | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | hey oh! | 15:00 |
| clayton | hey | 15:01 |
| degorenko | hey o/ | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | we don't have actions from last meeting | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | #topic managing cinder types via ruby provider with auth based on openstack client | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "managing cinder types via ruby provider with auth based on openstack client (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:01 | |
| EmilienM | degorenko: what's up? | 15:01 |
| degorenko | hey | 15:01 |
| degorenko | i have a couple of patches | 15:02 |
| degorenko | and i need your attention :) | 15:02 |
| degorenko | primary patch is https://review.openstack.org/273513 | 15:02 |
| degorenko | it's about switching current defines for managing cinder types to providers | 15:02 |
| degorenko | and two other - for openstack-integration | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | degorenko: could you recheck the ones that fail on scenario001/ubuntu? | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | we fixed the ceph pin last night, it caused an issue | 15:03 |
| degorenko | EmilienM, ok, i will recheck it | 15:03 |
| degorenko | but i don't think, that here is some problem | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | very nice work! we're dropping more Exec resources, cool | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | degorenko: just to make sure | 15:03 |
| degorenko | sure :) | 15:03 |
| degorenko | and btw, how long we will have scenario as non-voting? | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | well, I wanted to re-enable it tonight or so | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | we had some issues yesterday, all fixed but just wanted to wait a little | 15:04 |
| degorenko | ok :) just for information | 15:04 |
| degorenko | and, i want to get more feedbacks for my patch, from crinkle _ody chem :) anyone is welcome | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | degorenko: can we move forward? | 15:05 |
| degorenko | sure | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | zigo: ping | 15:05 |
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| EmilienM | #topic beta release | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "beta release (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:05 | |
| zigo | o/ | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | zigo came on IRC and asked if we could follow other openstack projects | 15:05 |
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| EmilienM | that do release:cycle-with-milestones | 15:06 |
| EmilienM | instead of what we're doing right now: release:independent | 15:06 |
| EmilienM | release:cycle-with-milestones would make us create tags during dev cycles, something we never did | 15:06 |
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| zigo | Yeah, so that I can use the beta 1, 2, 3 tags and package that in Debian. | 15:06 |
| clayton | would it also mean we'd have to release when everyone else does? | 15:06 |
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| EmilienM | we always have some lag, because of packaging (specially in UCA) | 15:07 |
| clayton | nod, that's why I ask. would that still be allowed? | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | I think the target goal is to use zigo packaging at some point | 15:07 |
| zigo | clayton: I don't have this as a hard requirement to be in sync, but let's say "not too long" after... | 15:07 |
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| zigo | A week or 2 tops. | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | we can ask dhellmann | 15:07 |
| mwhahaha | rather than switch can we just release tags more often? we never really publish changes to the stable branches either which makes the forge modules useless | 15:08 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: if you around, does release:cycle-with-milestones means we have to strictly follow openstack project releases dates? | 15:08 |
| zigo | I can do Debian + Trusty packages + working Tempest CI tests in about a week after each beta. | 15:08 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: right, I'm thinking about stopping to publish on puppetlabs forge, and let Hunner or _ody (offline) doing it | 15:09 |
| zigo | What I care is having tags to package, so I have a reference point which I know works. Currently, I only have 7.0.0 to eat, which is too far in the past. | 15:09 |
| clayton | I think l last time we asked almost no one used the forge releases | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: well, it does not take much time, but some help from puppetlabs would be appreciated on this side | 15:09 |
| clayton | granted, that might be because they're not updated, but I suspect it's more than that. | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | zigo: right, your point is valid | 15:10 |
| mwhahaha | i'd assume it's because we don't publish on a frequent basis | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | so yeah, we can start producing tags during the dev cycle | 15:10 |
| clayton | I assumed it was because most advanced puppet users dont' use forge, but maybe I'm wrong | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | and eventually change our release cycle model | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | clayton: I think you're right, that's the feedback we have during each summit fwiw | 15:11 |
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| zigo | Fuel will be a user starting at Newton. | 15:11 |
| EmilienM | #action EmilienM investigate release:cycle-with-milestones and if we need to follow other projects schedule | 15:12 |
| sbadia | zigo: of debian puppet-modules packages? | 15:12 |
| zigo | 1 week to do packages, 1 week for puppet, 1 week for Fuel, that's already 3 weeks delay... | 15:12 |
| sbadia | (hey here :-)) | 15:12 |
| EmilienM | so is it fine if we push a tag on our compliant modules for end of february? | 15:12 |
| zigo | sbadia: Yes, and therefore tags of beta releases. | 15:13 |
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| sbadia | EmilienM, you always do this hard work (release all module) you estimate it take how long (to do the release)? | 15:13 |
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| sbadia | zigo: ack, cool! | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | sbadia: do we need release notes for this tag? | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | zigo: does projects provide release note for each tag? | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | or just for major releases? | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | doing a tag takes me 5 minutes | 15:14 |
| zigo | I don't think its needed. | 15:14 |
| sbadia | yes, I think (we can maybe automate more, with your initial work on reno) | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | doing releass notes take me 3 days | 15:14 |
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| zigo | Then skip it! :) | 15:15 |
| EmilienM | so if we don't need release note for a first mitaka beta tag, let's do it end of Feb | 15:15 |
| zigo | I just need git tags, nothing else. | 15:15 |
| EmilienM | our CI is in pretty good shape and run Mitaka from trunk on RDO | 15:15 |
| zigo | Otherwise, I'm packaging any random commit, which I don't know if it works or not. | 15:15 |
| EmilienM | zigo: right, we need to help you on that | 15:16 |
| zigo | Even worse, I could be packaging a version of puppet-openstacklib which would break something else (ie: I didin't take them in sync)... | 15:16 |
| EmilienM | #action EmilienM sends a proposal to ML about pushing first mitaka beta tag | 15:16 |
| zigo | That's what I want to avoid. | 15:16 |
| EmilienM | any question about releases? Anything else? | 15:16 |
| EmilienM | #topic open discussion (bugs / reviews) | 15:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (bugs / reviews) (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:17 | |
| EmilienM | if you have outstanding reviews or bugs, please go ahead | 15:17 |
| mfisch | I was going to give an update on the thing clayton talked about last week which was admin token on localhost | 15:17 |
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| chem | I have a cookicutter CI that I would like to see working :) | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: go ahead | 15:18 |
| mfisch | so I found out that I didnt need to make any puppet changes at all | 15:18 |
| mfisch | I just ended up needing a new keystone filter | 15:18 |
| chem | here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272156/ and there https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272146/ | 15:18 |
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| EmilienM | chem: you have some comment on the second one | 15:18 |
| chem | EmilienM: oups, sorry | 15:19 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: would love to know details :-) | 15:19 |
| mfisch | EmilienM: sure I can post the code | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: can you patch examples/ in puppet-keystone maybe ? I'll send you cookies | 15:20 |
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| mfisch | EmilienM: sure | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | let me know the flavor | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | do we have anything else for today? | 15:21 |
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| degorenko | we also have one issue in horizon :) i will be after chem in queue :) | 15:21 |
| degorenko | chem, are you done with ci for cookiecutter? | 15:22 |
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| chem | degorenko: yes, but I have to address the comment in the puppet-openstack-cookiecutter script | 15:22 |
| chem | degorenko: ci part is ok, but puppet-openstack-cookiecutter may be not | 15:22 |
| chem | degorenko:have to check | 15:23 |
| degorenko | ok, good to know, can i proceed with my question? :) | 15:23 |
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| EmilienM | degorenko: shoot | 15:23 |
| degorenko | we have this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276961/ | 15:23 |
| degorenko | EmilienM, it can be problem for your bump of apache | 15:24 |
| degorenko | because 1.7.x apache has concat < 2.0.0 | 15:24 |
| degorenko | and 1.8.x < 3.0.0 | 15:24 |
| EmilienM | oh I see | 15:24 |
| degorenko | https://github.com/puppetlabs/puppetlabs-apache/blob/1.8.x/metadata.json#L11-L12 | 15:24 |
| degorenko | i've left some comments on horizon change | 15:25 |
| EmilienM | degorenko: I'm trying to have 1.8.x in our Puppetfile for apache module, you saw? | 15:25 |
| degorenko | yeah | 15:25 |
| degorenko | i saw | 15:25 |
| degorenko | and that's why i raise this | 15:25 |
| degorenko | man from patch says that he has master of apache | 15:26 |
| degorenko | and file resource for horizon conf is not found | 15:26 |
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| degorenko | but from current implementation of concat (for 1.x version) - we have defined this file resource in concat manifests | 15:26 |
| degorenko | from 2.x version of concat - it is from types | 15:27 |
| degorenko | and it is not found | 15:27 |
| degorenko | i don't know why actually | 15:27 |
| EmilienM | me neither | 15:27 |
| EmilienM | I'll investigate with you, later | 15:27 |
| degorenko | ok :) | 15:28 |
| EmilienM | #action investigate concat issue on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276961/ | 15:28 |
| EmilienM | anything else for today? | 15:28 |
| EmilienM | ok I guess we're done | 15:29 |
| EmilienM | have a good dayy | 15:29 |
| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 15:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:29 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 9 15:29:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2016/puppet_openstack.2016-02-09-15.00.html | 15:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2016/puppet_openstack.2016-02-09-15.00.txt | 15:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2016/puppet_openstack.2016-02-09-15.00.log.html | 15:29 |
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| johnsom | #startmeeting Kosmos | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 9 16:00:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Kosmos)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kosmos' | 16:00 |
| johnsom | Hi folks | 16:00 |
| johnsom | mugsie is at the designate mid-cycle so I am hosting today. | 16:00 |
| johnsom | I expect this to be short. | 16:01 |
| johnsom | dougwig Any updates on the API work? | 16:01 |
| * johnsom Notes that he is offline | 16:01 | |
| * mugsie thinks johnsom is talking to himself | 16:01 | |
| johnsom | Ok, any other topics? | 16:02 |
| mugsie | not from me | 16:02 |
| johnsom | Ok then, it's a wrap for this week. | 16:02 |
| johnsom | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 9 16:02:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kosmos/2016/kosmos.2016-02-09-16.00.html | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kosmos/2016/kosmos.2016-02-09-16.00.txt | 16:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kosmos/2016/kosmos.2016-02-09-16.00.log.html | 16:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 9 17:00:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 17:00 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Roll Call | 17:01 |
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| vishwanathj | o/ | 17:01 |
| sripriya_ | o/ | 17:01 |
| bobh | o/ | 17:01 |
| zeih_ | o/ | 17:01 |
| sridhar_ram | howdy all! | 17:01 |
| sridhar_ram | lets start... | 17:01 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Annoucements | 17:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | First meeting after the midcycle... | 17:02 |
| sridhar_ram | #info Midcycle notes | 17:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-mitaka-midcycle-notes | 17:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | thanks for everyone who attended the 2-day midcycle... | 17:03 |
| sridhar_ram | hope you all found it useful..! | 17:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | feel free to share any general thoughts ? too long ? too short ? contents good ? | 17:04 |
| sridhar_ram | next ... | 17:05 |
| sridhar_ram | #info Big Tent application in the now in governance repo | 17:05 |
| sridhar_ram | #link  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276417 | 17:05 |
| zeih_ | great :) | 17:05 |
| sridhar_ram | TC going to discuss in today's TC weekly call at 2000 UTC | 17:06 |
| sridhar_ram | grab some popcorn and watch :) | 17:06 |
| sridhar_ram | zeih_: yep, many of us are quite excited... | 17:06 |
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| dkushwaha_ | sridhar_ram, yes | 17:07 |
| sridhar_ram | fyi, meeting info for that call is at #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 17:07 |
| zeih_ | sridhar_ram: yes | 17:07 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha_: howdy! | 17:07 |
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| sridhar_ram | next ... | 17:08 |
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| sridhar_ram | Based on #link https://github.com/openstack/requirements#for-upper-constraintstxt-changes | 17:08 |
| sridhar_ram | I propose just one +2/+A for requirements patchsets from OpenStack CI Bot | 17:08 |
| sripriya_ | agree | 17:09 |
| bobh | +1 | 17:09 |
| zeih_ | +1 | 17:09 |
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| sridhar_ram | missed this earlier .. | 17:09 |
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| sridhar_ram | #info Agenda at #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_Feb_9.2C_2016 | 17:10 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic TOSCA Parser Integration | 17:10 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: please take it away.. | 17:10 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: Thanks, I think.... | 17:10 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: tosca-parser 0.4.0 was released last week which contains the NFV Profile support and a bunch of fixes for bugs/undocumented features | 17:11 |
| bobh | so with that available I can push the first patchset into Tacker that will allow TOSCA VNFDs to be loaded using vnfd-create | 17:12 |
| bobh | I have that working, so not sure if we want to push it separately and start reviews on it while waiting for the next piece | 17:12 |
| bobh | The next piece is dependent on some changes that will be in heat-translator 0.4.0 which should be released in the next 2-3 weeks | 17:13 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: I'd vote for taking things in small pieces... | 17:13 |
| bobh | once that is available I can push the second part which will take the parsed TOSCA template and translate it into a HOT template | 17:13 |
| sridhar_ram | this could unblock tbh and vishwanathj gongysh ? | 17:13 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: Me too - maybe also put some code in so we don't try to deploy the TOSCA VNFD templates yet | 17:13 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: I think so - at least they can start modeling and make changes to the Tacker VNFD definitions as needed | 17:14 |
| sripriya_ | bobh: if we are consuming this feature in chunks, will we do the conversion of inmemory graph to HOT spec in Tacker? | 17:14 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: then +2 for that path of integration... | 17:14 |
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| bobh | sripriya_: I think the first chunck should be load the TOSCA VNFD but don't allow attempts to deploy it | 17:15 |
| bobh | sripriya_: then the second part will unblock the deployment when heat-translator 0.4.0 is available | 17:15 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: this code path won't be usable until other pieces land ... | 17:16 |
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| sripriya_ | bobh: sridhar_ram: ok | 17:16 |
| sripriya_ | so they will need to write custom parser until heat-translator lands? | 17:16 |
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| sripriya_ | is my understanding right? | 17:16 |
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| bobh | sripriya_: The TOSCA VNFD will not be deployable until the heat-translator changes land | 17:17 |
| sripriya_ | bobh: oh ok | 17:17 |
| bobh | sripriya_: but they can start using the TOSCA definitions to model the data they need to add | 17:17 |
| sripriya_ | bobh: got it | 17:17 |
| bobh | I will try to get the first patchset uploaded this week - shooting for tonight, but that's optimistic | 17:18 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: great.. | 17:18 |
| sripriya_ | thanks | 17:18 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: couldn't wait to see this tosca-parser integration.. | 17:18 |
| bobh | global requirements have already picked up the 0.4.0 tosca-parser change | 17:18 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: However I like to discuss the our usage and working model with heat-translator code base... | 17:19 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: it's pretty cool, if I do say so myself | 17:19 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: I've been browsing the code in heat-translators tosca -> hot converter .. #link https://github.com/openstack/heat-translator/blob/master/translator/hot/tosca/tosca_compute.py | 17:19 |
| sridhar_ram | it is written nicely and fairly straight forward... | 17:20 |
| sridhar_ram | here are some concerns I've ... | 17:20 |
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| sridhar_ram | fyi, I'm a member of tosca nfv profile working group in OASIS.. | 17:21 |
| sridhar_ram | .. the simple profile for nfv will undergo some changes | 17:21 |
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| sridhar_ram | instead of churning heat-translator project for tosca-nfv translations, I'd suggest we should so the translations in tacker project itself.. | 17:22 |
| sridhar_ram | .. for 1 or 2 dev cycles | 17:22 |
| sridhar_ram | *do the translations ... | 17:22 |
| sridhar_ram | another factor in this equation is MulltiSite.. | 17:23 |
| sridhar_ram | Tacker going to land VNFs in different OpenStack versions... | 17:23 |
| sridhar_ram | .. hence might need to translator to slightly different HOT template syntax based on the target openstack version.. | 17:23 |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gerrit is restarting now, to alleviate current performance impact and WebUI errors. | 17:24 | |
| sridhar_ram | So I propose if we can do the toscatemplate -> hot in tacker itself and then push into to heat-transltor project once things settle down ? | 17:24 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: team: thoughts ? | 17:24 |
| bobh | I think that's a lot of extra work up front and I don't know that there will be much benefit | 17:24 |
| dkushwaha_ | sridhar_ram, yes, translation in tacker project itself will be a better approach | 17:25 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: can you characterize the extra work ? | 17:25 |
| bobh | I would like to see us use the existing heat-translator functionality until we find that there are issues and then deal with the specific issues | 17:25 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: duplication of the existing heat-translator code | 17:25 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: unless you want to fork it and pull it in | 17:25 |
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| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: even if we extend too far from the existing heat translator proj. and when we finally end up merging code to the project, will that be a problem or go through some churn again? | 17:26 |
| bobh | heat-translator provides support for lifecycle interfaces that I think we can take advantage of to get functionality we dont have now | 17:26 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: in the proposed working model I see we first run the ToscaTemplate through heat-translator. We need to any way pre-process and post process HOT template returned by heat-transltor | 17:26 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: Right - that has always been the plan | 17:27 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: so we will be in some HOT template generation business anyway even if we use heat-translator | 17:27 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: we can analyze the post-processing that we do to the HOT template and determine if it needs to be pushed to heat-translator as an enhancement | 17:27 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: manipulation is not the same as generation | 17:28 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: well, looking at the code in https://github.com/openstack/heat-translator/blob/master/translator/hot/tosca/tosca_compute.py ... | 17:28 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: .. we don't need 90% of the code in there around flavors and images | 17:28 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: the question I've .. | 17:29 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: right, but we'll never encounter it anyway | 17:29 |
| sridhar_ram | is there a way we can use heat-translator as a "util" library.. | 17:29 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: isn't that what we are doing anyway? | 17:29 |
| sripriya_ | bobh: i thought the same too | 17:30 |
| sridhar_ram | .. and maintain say /hot/tosca/tosca_vdu.py in tacker for near team | 17:30 |
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| bobh | oh - you want to make additional HOT resources available to the existing heat-translator code | 17:30 |
| bobh | interesting idea | 17:30 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: my point was .. should be tie urself for such a small HOT template resp back from heat-translator... | 17:31 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: Exactly... | 17:31 |
| bobh | provide a search path or inheritance model for the HOT resources | 17:31 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: .. with the plan of merging it back into heat-translator once things settle in.. | 17:31 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: there is also an issue of developer / community angle here... | 17:31 |
| bobh | I think if you look at some of the more complex TOSCA examples you can see the power of the existing translator | 17:31 |
| sridhar_ram | it would be odd to bounce tacker dev resource off to different projects.. it will slow us down | 17:32 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: totally understand the benefit .. particularly the lifecycle interface you pointed out... | 17:32 |
| bobh | I guess I need a better idea of what these changes are that are coming and why they would be so disruptive to the existing model/plan | 17:32 |
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| bobh | With the existing inheritance model I don't think there is much we can't do | 17:33 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: imagine all the things in our pipeline... auto-resource, efficient placement, scaling, service chaining... | 17:33 |
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| sridhar_ram | we can't keep bouncing the devs bringing in these feature off to heat-translator first | 17:33 |
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| bobh | not saying we should - but why duplicate the base template processing instead of just adding in the overlay capabilities that we need to the processed template? | 17:34 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: could we leverage the base template processing using a library approach ? | 17:35 |
| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: will tosca_vdu be an overlap of tosca_compute in tacker code base? | 17:35 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: it is all up in the air in the standards side... | 17:35 |
| bobh | I think it will help to see the first patchset for the parser and you will get a better idea of how the TOSCA modeling works | 17:35 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: .. that another reason, to have it in tacker | 17:35 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: but the only way to achieve would be using tacker overlays ? | 17:36 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: that's true no matter who does the HOT template parsing | 17:37 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: okay.. I'm willing to wait to see your 2nd patchset .. is it possible to through a WIP ? | 17:38 |
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| sridhar_ram | s/through/throw/ | 17:38 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: yes - I'll push the first one ASAP and then the second one even though it won't be functional without the heat-translator 0.4.0 release | 17:38 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: sure, however can we see some contours of the 2nd half even if it doesn't work ? | 17:39 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: yes - there really isn't all that much to it, mostly pre-processing the template to remove all of the Tacker-specific objects before sending it to heat-translator for processing | 17:40 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: that will help.. | 17:40 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: thanks! | 17:40 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: also need to get the outputs working - I was hung up working on monitoring_policy mappings | 17:40 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: np | 17:41 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else on this tosca-tacker integration area ? | 17:41 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: I think it's dead.... | 17:41 |
| sridhar_ram | :) moving on then... | 17:41 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Mitaka Release Deadline | 17:42 |
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| sridhar_ram | #info #link  http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/schedule.html | 17:42 |
| sridhar_ram | as you might've seen in the tacker big-tent gerrit discussion.. we need to pick a "release" tag for the project | 17:43 |
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| sridhar_ram | our intent was to release at least once every six months.. | 17:43 |
| sridhar_ram | we are lagging behind a bit for a liberty release, hopefully we will catch up soon.. | 17:44 |
| sridhar_ram | now fast forward to Mitaka .. assume the big tent application goes through .. | 17:44 |
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| sridhar_ram | .. we need to make a release by April 1st | 17:45 |
| sridhar_ram | we have many things in flight for Mitaka... | 17:45 |
| sridhar_ram | .. what do you folks think on meeting this deadline with the things under progress ? | 17:46 |
| bobh | I think its doable, though might be tight | 17:46 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: I was thinking the same.. | 17:47 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: for MultiSite ? | 17:47 |
| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: for EPA ? | 17:47 |
| vishwanathj | will be able to do it | 17:47 |
| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: should be fine, the things i fear is func. testing for all the features if we need to enable gate jobs in infra | 17:48 |
| vishwanathj | EPA will have dependencies on bobh patch set...need to discuss with him offline what those would be | 17:49 |
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| santoshk | +1 on that considering we need atleast 2+ devstacks for it... | 17:49 |
| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: i'm not sure how soon we can get it integrated in gate jobs? | 17:49 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: agree, we need a T-2 weeks for all features to land and then need some time for gate failure and integration failure to be handled | 17:49 |
| sripriya_ | yup | 17:49 |
| bobh | vishwanathj: If we can get the first part landed it should unblock you at least a little bit | 17:49 |
| vishwanathj | bobh ok | 17:50 |
| sridhar_ram | that effectively bring us to Mar 18 - 21st for code completion | 17:50 |
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| sridhar_ram | alright .. I hear it is doable, going to be tight so we need to manage / track things better.. | 17:51 |
| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: i'm looking for somewhere in march midweek time frame to land in all our feature set code | 17:51 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: agree.. | 17:51 |
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| sripriya_ | and later get some docs going :-) | 17:51 |
| sridhar_ram | Please mark your calendars folks ! | 17:52 |
| sridhar_ram | ofcourse, docs.. | 17:52 |
| bobh | and tests - my favorite! | 17:52 |
| sripriya_ | bobh: that was included with code :P | 17:52 |
| sridhar_ram | TC members are already asking abt docs .. it needs a spring cleanup.. | 17:52 |
| bobh | getting some questions submitted too that would be better handled by the docs | 17:53 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: +1 | 17:53 |
| bobh | we need to specify the dependency on cloud-init enabled images | 17:54 |
| bobh | it's not intuitively obvious to everyone | 17:54 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: absolutely.. we have many such useful features.. we docs to take them to the users | 17:54 |
| sridhar_ram | *we need docs | 17:55 |
| sridhar_ram | alright.. will update our big-tent application to set the tag to "release-with-intermediary" and Mar 18th is the code-completion date ! | 17:55 |
| sridhar_ram | moving on ... | 17:55 |
| bobh | cool - targets are always a good thing | 17:55 |
| bobh | deadlines I mean | 17:55 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: true.. devs need deadlines | 17:55 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Bugs and RFEs | 17:56 |
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| sridhar_ram | Team - apart from these big features, we need volunteers for smaller RFE (imagine these are mini enhancements) and some critical bugs | 17:56 |
| sridhar_ram | I'm specifically looking for help on https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1543393 | 17:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1543393 in tacker "Deprecate and remove device API and CLI from Tacker" [Medium,New] | 17:57 |
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| sridhar_ram | these are typically 1 - 2 weeks efforts | 17:57 |
| dkushwaha_ | sridhar_ram, can i pick this ? | 17:57 |
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| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha_: sure.. | 17:58 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha_: thanks for stepping up! | 17:58 |
| dkushwaha_ | sridhar_ram, ok, i will look into this. Thank you :-) | 17:59 |
| sridhar_ram | Rest of the wish list is marked with 'mitaka-rfe' tag ... #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bugs?field.tag=mitaka-rfe | 17:59 |
| sripriya_ | dkushwaha_: ping us on #tacker for any help | 17:59 |
| sridhar_ram | times up! | 17:59 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Open Discussion | 17:59 |
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| sridhar_ram | thanks everyone.. | 18:00 |
| sridhar_ram | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| zeih_ | bye | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 9 18:00:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-02-09-17.00.html | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-02-09-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-02-09-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| markus_z | #startmeeting nova-bugs-team | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 9 18:00:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markus_z. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova-bugs-team)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_bugs_team' | 18:00 |
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| markus_z | soo, is actually anybody here besides me? | 18:01 |
| chhavi | chhavi here | 18:01 |
| chhavi | i joined for then nova bug meetings | 18:01 |
| markus_z | chhavi: ok, cool :) let's wait another minute, maybe someone else joins | 18:02 |
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| markus_z | #topic status of action items from last week | 18:03 |
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| auggy | o/ | 18:03 |
| markus_z | well, first meeting, so no action items from last week | 18:03 |
| markus_z | auggy: hi! | 18:03 |
| auggy | hi markus_z! | 18:03 |
| kashyap | markus_z: Didn't realize the meeting time, have to head out of this coffee shop (as it's closing now) :-( | 18:03 |
| markus_z | kashyap: ah, to bad | 18:04 |
| * kashyap will read the scroll after heading back home (20 min walk) | 18:04 | |
| markus_z | #topic decide action items for bug reports which need further attention | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "decide action items for bug reports which need further attention (Meeting topic: nova-bugs-team)" | 18:04 | |
| markus_z | auggy: You did the bug skimming in the last days/weeks, do you have some bug reports you wanna talk about? | 18:04 |
| kashyap | markus_z: Quick comment on the topic we discussed on #openstack-nova, I still need to file a BluePrint for this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1509304 | 18:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1509304 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Add support for 'l2-cache-size' (a QCOW2 run time option for metadata cache size) for drives" [Undecided,Invalid] | 18:05 |
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| markus_z | kashyap: yepp, I still think that a bp would be the best there. | 18:05 |
| auggy | markus_z: yeah, i had asked in channel but never got a response | 18:05 |
| markus_z | auggy: About that bug? | 18:05 |
| auggy | so when people report problems with nova-network, how much are we actually supporting nova-network | 18:05 |
| auggy | versus suggesting they move to neutron? | 18:06 |
| auggy | i have to find the bug | 18:06 |
| markus_z | auggy: http://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ops/content/nova-network-deprecation.html That's the statement of direction I have | 18:06 |
| auggy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1475786 | 18:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1475786 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Cannot ping to a same subnet VM via floating IP" [Undecided,New] | 18:06 |
| auggy | ok cool | 18:06 |
| markus_z | in short, nova-network is still supported but development is low | 18:06 |
| auggy | with that bug i just pasted, basically i figured i'd just try to repro it in neutron | 18:07 |
| auggy | if it couldn't repro it, i'd suggest the reporter try that instead | 18:07 |
| auggy | and close it as invalid | 18:07 |
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| markus_z | auggy: yeah, the steps to reproduce are missing. Switching to "incomplete" maybe first, and if not response comes, closing it. | 18:08 |
| auggy | ok cool, yeah that makes sense too | 18:09 |
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| auggy | another question i have is generally if a bug is reported to affect multiple projects, like Cinder | 18:09 |
| auggy | and there's work being done by cinder, but there's a question around how nova, say, is calling cinder, | 18:10 |
| auggy | is it ok to mark as Confirmed? | 18:10 |
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| auggy | because that's what i've been doing assuming the bug would go to triage and someone with more idea would be able to determine if there's specifically any nova impact | 18:10 |
| auggy | or should i be doing that? | 18:10 |
| auggy | determining if there's specifically Nova impact? | 18:10 |
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| markus_z | not sure if I get it right | 18:11 |
| auggy | i'll see if i can find a specific example, i just skimmed one yesterday | 18:11 |
| markus_z | if the interaction of nova-cinder is in question, it is fair to mark Nova as affected project | 18:12 |
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| auggy | yeah, but then the bug is in "new" status on the nova side | 18:12 |
| markus_z | a further analysis is necessary to make a "invalid"/"confirmed" statement | 18:12 |
| markus_z | which is often not possible during the bug skimming | 18:12 |
| auggy | will it still get triaged if it's marked as "New" and not "Confirmed"? | 18:13 |
| auggy | here's an example, it's a bug reported in horizon - https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1530830 | 18:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1530830 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Instance Console Crashes : Unable to enter credentials at Instance Console " [Undecided,Confirmed] | 18:13 |
| markus_z | Yes, it should | 18:13 |
| auggy | ok so in this case i wasn't sure what to do as bug skimmer, so i marked it as confirmed and left a comment that someone needed to dig in further | 18:14 |
| chhavi | markus_z: there are bugs which are more than a year old: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1439855 what should be done for such bugs | 18:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1439855 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "encrypted iSCSI volume fails to attach, name too long" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Nha Pham (phqnha) | 18:14 |
| markus_z | auggy: yep, that's ok what you did there. | 18:15 |
| markus_z | I don't yet have someone which has deeper knowledge in the networking area. | 18:15 |
| markus_z | chhavi: It's on the agenda, I come to that in a minute | 18:15 |
| chhavi | ok | 18:16 |
| auggy | ok cool, i'll just try to use my best judgement and if it's unclear, tag it and make a comment that it needs further research before it can be marked as "Confirmed" on the nova side | 18:16 |
| auggy | that way at least it comes up to the top as having been recently touched and someone in triage knows we looked at it | 18:17 |
| markus_z | auggy: yep, that's the best you can do with the amount of incoming reports | 18:17 |
| auggy | i think so far that is all my questions but i'll go over the bugs i've skimmed and see if there is anything else | 18:18 |
| auggy | i'll send you an email for next week's meeting, since it's at like 2am for me i probably won't be there ;) | 18:18 |
| markus_z | auggy: I had to cancel next weeks meeting | 18:18 |
| auggy | oh right i knew that | 18:18 |
| auggy | ;D | 18:18 |
| auggy | i'll follow up via email later with any other questions and if it seems relevant to others, i can post it to the mailing list | 18:19 |
| markus_z | auggy: I added the tag "needs-attention" which you (or other bug skimmer) can use for such bug reports in question | 18:19 |
| auggy | ah great! | 18:19 |
| auggy | i think that will be useful especially when it's not possible to reproduce a reported issue due to lack of environment resources (like Ceph) | 18:20 |
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| markus_z | yep | 18:20 |
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| markus_z | ok, more open bugs which are a bit unclear? | 18:21 |
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| markus_z | #topic expire bugs which are hit by the expiration-policy unless someone disagrees | 18:22 |
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| markus_z | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1227575 is an example of an incomplete bug which got closed to due inactivity | 18:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1227575 in OpenStack Security Notes "DoS style attack on noVNC server can lead to service interruption or disruption" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to CloudDon (sriramhere) | 18:22 |
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| markus_z | At the bottom of that bug report is a template you could use. | 18:23 |
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| markus_z | Basically it's about closing "incomplete" bugs which are not closed automatically by Launchpad | 18:23 |
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| markus_z | If anyone want to help there, ping me in #openstack-nova | 18:24 |
| auggy | do you have a link to the query to create a list of those posted anywhere? | 18:24 |
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| markus_z | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.searchtext=&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&fi | 18:25 |
| markus_z | eld.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on&orderby=date_last_updated&start=0 | 18:25 |
| markus_z | whops, that's long, one sec | 18:25 |
| markus_z | #link http://bit.ly/1Q5C98F incomplete bugs which are stale | 18:25 |
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| markus_z | auggy: Is that the query you're asking or a list of bugs which are closed to due inactivity? | 18:26 |
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| auggy | the thing you had mentioned, incomplete bugs which are not closed automatically by launchpad | 18:26 |
| auggy | where we need to post that template response and close and wontfix | 18:27 |
| markus_z | ah, that's the last link | 18:27 |
| markus_z | One has to read those to double-check if they are really incomplete or if they maybe have a review but are in the wrong state. | 18:28 |
| markus_z | I use 30 days as a threshold to switch from "incomplete" to "won't fix" | 18:28 |
| chhavi | 30 days will be a very short time, considering nova bugs | 18:29 |
| markus_z | chhavi: 30 days after the switch to incomplete where a list of input was asked for | 18:29 |
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| auggy | i think that's fair, the reporter can always reopen it later | 18:30 |
| chhavi | ok, so if the bug is in incomplete state with no updates for more than 30 days we can switch to won't fix. | 18:30 |
| chhavi | got it | 18:30 |
| markus_z | chhavi: After that its unlikely that new information is provided. And we can always switch back from "won't fix" to "new" when new facts are delivered. | 18:30 |
| thorst_ | markus_z: what if the hold up is reviews? | 18:30 |
| markus_z | chhavi: yep, right | 18:30 |
| chhavi | markus_zL i would like to help here to skim through some bugs | 18:31 |
| markus_z | thorst_: The review is still alive? | 18:31 |
| auggy | thorst_: i'm guessing that's why we need to manually review it | 18:31 |
| thorst_ | yeah | 18:31 |
| auggy | if there's a review pending, we should probably see what's going on and leave a comment maybe? | 18:31 |
| thorst_ | well sometimes its just a new developer not sure how to move forward. | 18:31 |
| markus_z | yep. If there is a living review, mention it in the bug report if not yet done. | 18:31 |
| auggy | yeah, they may not realize they need to get attention | 18:31 |
| thorst_ | ahh, that was the disconnect for me | 18:31 |
| thorst_ | thanks | 18:32 |
| thorst_ | 30 days, no reviews out -> mark won't fix | 18:32 |
| markus_z | thorst_: After 2 weeks without review I start poking people in the #openstack-nova channel | 18:32 |
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| markus_z | thorst_: if "incomplete", yes | 18:32 |
| thorst_ | yeah...I was not sure what the etiquette there was. That sounds reasonable | 18:32 |
| markus_z | it's odd at the beginning but that's the only way I know | 18:33 |
| chhavi | if there is no progress on review, in that case | 18:33 |
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| markus_z | thorst_: It's also fair to mention it here, then we have a list where I can poke folks | 18:33 |
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| auggy | yeah it makes sense to bring it to the attention of the larger group in the bug report | 18:33 |
| auggy | someone may have some context as to why that review may never be approved | 18:34 |
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| markus_z | chhavi: If you want to help with the bug skimming, there is this wiki page: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Weekly_bug_skimming_duty | 18:34 |
| markus_z | thorst_: Do you have a review which needs attention? | 18:34 |
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| chhavi | ok | 18:35 |
| thorst_ | markus_z auggy: so maybe a portion of the meeting for 'stuck' reviews and the what not. I've only got one right now, on behalf of someone else | 18:35 |
| thorst_ | let me get it quick | 18:35 |
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| thorst_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1355171 | 18:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1355171 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Can not have IPv4 or IPv6 only interfaces injected via /etc/network/interfaces." [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Jialiang (jialiang-song517) | 18:35 |
| thorst_ | old bug...recent proposed fix. | 18:35 |
| thorst_ | I believe Jialiang needs it for lxc work, but I also need it for PowerVM driver stuff. | 18:36 |
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| markus_z | thorst_: the -1 from jenkins has to get away, otherwise nobody will look | 18:36 |
| thorst_ | bah...didn't realize that popped back up | 18:37 |
| thorst_ | will work with Jialiang again. He wants to drive this one (and I think its a good opportunity for him) | 18:37 |
| thorst_ | sorry! | 18:37 |
| markus_z | #action markus_z needs contacts for the network area | 18:37 |
| markus_z | thorst_: no worries | 18:38 |
| markus_z | #topic reset In Progress bugs if no patch is available | 18:38 |
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| markus_z | chhavi: That's the question you had before | 18:38 |
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| chhavi | yes | 18:38 |
| markus_z | #link http://bit.ly/20myY24 Potentially stale "in progress" bugs | 18:39 |
| markus_z | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1391029 example of resetting "in progress" bugs which are stale | 18:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1391029 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "compute manager update_available_resource interval needs to be configurable" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 18:39 |
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| markus_z | chhavi: Basically, if the bug report has an assignee, there should be a patch in review within 2 weeks after the assignee was set. | 18:40 |
| chhavi | ok | 18:41 |
| markus_z | we have around 400 "in progress" bugs, funnily enough that amount is pretty constant within the last months | 18:41 |
| auggy | markus_z: do we have a wiki page or etherpad with these bug maintenance tasks along with the searches? | 18:41 |
| auggy | if not i can put that together after this meeting | 18:41 |
| markus_z | it's fair to take over after 2 weeks or to reset the bug report to "confirmed" | 18:42 |
| markus_z | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova/BugsTeam#Queries | 18:42 |
| markus_z | auggy: ^ that one | 18:42 |
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| auggy | ok cool, i can update with a description of what we're looking for and what needs to happen in each case | 18:42 |
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| markus_z | that would be awesome! | 18:43 |
| * auggy added a card to her Trello board ;) | 18:44 | |
| markus_z | unfortunately one has to read the bug reports to decide what's happening. They are not always consistent. | 18:44 |
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| markus_z | #action markus_z to double-check if it makes sense to use Trello for managing nova bugs | 18:44 |
| auggy | #action auggy to add descriptions to the bug team queries on the wiki | 18:45 |
| markus_z | #topic check if we need new tags for functional areas | 18:45 |
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| auggy | during the midcycle, i added "quotas" to the official list | 18:45 |
| markus_z | ah, yes, "quotas" is a good one | 18:46 |
| markus_z | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Step_2:_Triage_Tagged_Bugs The list of nova bug tags with owners | 18:46 |
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| auggy | ah ok, i added it here - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Bug_Tags#Nova | 18:46 |
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| markus_z | #action markus_z pester again folks in Nova who want to help triage bugs | 18:47 |
| markus_z | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+manage-official-tags Launchpad official bug tag list | 18:47 |
| markus_z | hm, having two wiki pages is not good | 18:48 |
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| markus_z | #action markus_z unify https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Bug_Tags#Nova + https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Step_2:_Triage_Tagged_Bugs | 18:48 |
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| auggy | oh wow, i didn't even know that "manage" page existed | 18:48 |
| markus_z | LP does a good job to hide such things | 18:49 |
| markus_z | "quotas" is already there, which is good | 18:49 |
| markus_z | auggy: Did you see a pattern in the latest bug reports? A specific area which doesn't yet have an own tag? | 18:50 |
| auggy | yeah, i have been using the bug list on the wiki page i linked as reference to what is a valid link | 18:50 |
| auggy | not yet, everything seems to fall into the categories we have from what i can tell | 18:50 |
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| auggy | but i'll keep an eye out this week as i'm skimming | 18:50 |
| markus_z | ok cool | 18:50 |
| auggy | also i'm still new to things so i might be missing these subtleties ;) | 18:50 |
| markus_z | the job cannot be done perfectly, that's ok | 18:51 |
| markus_z | #topic get one or more volunteers for the rotating bug-skimming-duty | 18:51 |
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| markus_z | hm, I lost chhavi, too bad | 18:51 |
| auggy | i think if more than one person is on skimming duty, we should share a list with each other so we can peer review each other | 18:51 |
| auggy | i find it helpful to make sure i'm doing it right and didn't miss anything, but maybe that's too much time spent on this | 18:52 |
| markus_z | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-bugs-team Etherpad for the nova bugs team | 18:52 |
| markus_z | auggy: You can use this etherpad if you like ^ | 18:52 |
| auggy | ok cool | 18:52 |
| markus_z | just add a section where you like | 18:53 |
| auggy | i usually comment on the bugs i skim so they show up in my launchpad profile | 18:53 |
| auggy | since lp won't show bugs you've just tagged or updated the status of, which is annoying | 18:53 |
| markus_z | There is another hidden LP link for that, right? | 18:53 |
| auggy | is there? | 18:53 |
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| markus_z | I thought I had a link | 18:54 |
| markus_z | https://bugs.launchpad.net/~mzoeller | 18:54 |
| markus_z | That's it, your LP username at the end | 18:55 |
| markus_z | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~<your-lp-username> A list of bugs you left a comment | 18:55 |
| auggy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/~auggy/+commentedbugs | 18:55 |
| markus_z | uh, even better | 18:56 |
| auggy | "all related" doesn't show bugs you only tagged | 18:56 |
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| auggy | i can't remember if it shows ones where you just updated the status and tagged | 18:56 |
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| markus_z | #topic reviews for bug fixes which needs attention | 18:57 |
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| markus_z | #action thorst make https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264157/ +1 again and we find reviewers | 18:59 |
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| markus_z | #topic discuss open points | 18:59 |
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| markus_z | Well, 1 min left | 18:59 |
| auggy | thanks markus_z for reviving this! | 19:00 |
| thorst | +2 Thanks markus_z! | 19:00 |
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| markus_z | auggy: thanks a lot for your help on the bug skimming front | 19:00 |
| markus_z | thanks for coming | 19:00 |
| markus_z | #info next meeting is at February 23rd | 19:01 |
| markus_z | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 9 19:01:10 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_bugs_team/2016/nova_bugs_team.2016-02-09-18.00.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_bugs_team/2016/nova_bugs_team.2016-02-09-18.00.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_bugs_team/2016/nova_bugs_team.2016-02-09-18.00.log.html | 19:01 |
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