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eglute#startmeeting defcore14:59
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug 19 14:59:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:59
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: defcore)"14:59
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'defcore'14:59
eglute#chair zehicle14:59
openstackCurrent chairs: eglute zehicle14:59
markvoelkero/15:00
catherine_d|1o/15:00
egluteHello Everyone!15:00
eglute#topic agenda15:00
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eglute#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.1115:00
egluteplease review and add if you think anything is missing15:00
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eglutehogepodge are you around?15:01
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zehicleo/15:01
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zehiclehogepodge, was in PAO yesterday15:01
eglutei think hogepodge had added the first agenda item, carry over from last week15:02
eglute"Suitability of In Tree Swift Functional Tests"15:02
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zehicleI have to jump off at :3015:02
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egluteok, zehicle do you want to cover any items before you leave15:03
zehiclelet's hold that till he's online15:03
eglutesounds good15:03
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egluteactially, looks like there are only 4 of us here15:04
zehicleroll call?15:04
egluteok, roll call15:04
egluteo/15:04
zehicleo/15:04
markvoelkero/15:04
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eglutethanks markvoelker and catherine_d|115:05
eglutelooks like still only 415:05
* markvoelker notes that this week is both linuxcon and the operator's midcycle sprint15:05
zehicleyy15:05
* eglute thinks is a busy week15:05
zehiclewe can talk about the Vendor Config patch15:05
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egluteso, do we want to go over any items, or hold off?15:05
eglutei know markvoelker has been doing a lot work with capabilities15:06
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zehicleyy, is there something that we can move forward or are we still at reviewing stage?15:06
markvoelkerThe network scoring is getting some feedback--if you haven't chimed in yet, more is welcome15:07
zehiclesigh, just realized my comments on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207209/ did not post until just now15:07
zehiclesorry markvoelker15:07
markvoelkerI'm not sure anyone has reviewed the scoring script yet other than Egle15:07
markvoelker(I just found a minor bug which I'll fix as soon as the meeting is over)15:08
zehicleI looked at the code and it seems ok.  did not get a chance to run it so did not post a vorte15:08
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eglutemarkvoelker i will review/run it again after you fix15:08
zehicleI'm happy  to +2 it on visual since it it's not critical path15:08
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zehicleafter the fix, I'll be able to test it and then merge15:09
markvoelkercool, thanks folks15:09
catherine_d|1I am working the heat capability patch and have questions ...15:09
eglutego ahead catherine_d|115:09
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zehiclewould like to apply pep9000 too it15:09
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* zehicle mumbles, over 9000 is that even possible?15:10
catherine_d|11) all of us are working on the scoring.txt file and we need to constantly rebase ... should we name the file differently like heat-scoring.txt until final stage?15:10
eglutehm, that actually sounds like a good idea15:11
markvoelkerI'm ambivalent on that.  The rebases are trivially easy so it doesn't cost me much.  But it's all working materials so if you want to separate them I think that's probably fine too.15:11
zehicleshould we take the patch as is15:11
zehicleand then allow people to make line changes?15:11
catherine_d|12) can we update the capability name on the spreadsheet ... some of the capability name on the heat component do not make sense .. if so what is the procedure ...15:11
zehicleI was assuming that we'd start from a base file15:12
zehicleso that each patch could be targeted as a single item15:12
eglute+1 zehicle15:12
markvoelkerzehicle: that's what we're doing.  There's a blank scoring sheet in the repo already, and currently three patches in review to add to it.15:12
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zehiclesorry, ok15:13
markvoelkerI think Catherine's just saying that if my patch lands first, she has to rebase hers15:13
markvoelkerAnd if one of Chris's then lands, she has to revbase again15:13
zehicleah, ok.  thanks15:13
markvoelkerBut as I say, the rebases are trivially easy so in practice I don't mind it.15:14
zehiclenothing to be done about that15:14
catherine_d|1yes we start on a base file but our patch makes change to the same file (scoring.txt) and we do not incldue each other's sfuff ... like the identity does not incldue network but use the same name15:14
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catherine_d|1so we still use the same file name?15:14
eglutehow about keeping scoring for different components as sepaarete files?15:15
eglutethat might be easier to manage going forward15:15
markvoelkerAgain, I'm ambivalent. =)  To me it seems like not a lot of work to keep them all together, but I don't mind if others have strong opinions about separating.15:15
hogepodgeo/15:15
catherine_d|1eglute: yes that is keep individual file at working stage  and then a final patch is to merge the file at the end15:16
zehicleto an extent, I think it would be great to have the patches land so we can discuss individual items15:16
eglutei am thinking even for final patch keep them separated out15:16
zehicleI'm trying to track the discussion on the networking ... is it a meta discussion or specific about individual capabilities15:17
zehicleeglute, +115:17
markvoelkerzehicle: you mean the discussion in the review?15:17
zehicleI'd like to see the working materials accepted15:17
zehiclemarkvoelker, yes15:17
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zehicleso that discussions could focus on individual caps when possible15:18
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catherine_d|1zehicle: markvoelker: I think that is the kind of discussion we need for all of the component15:18
markvoelkerzehicle: a bit of both.  Jean-Daniel raised some points about two of the four "buckets" of capabilties there.15:18
zehiclebut it looks like the discussion is meta15:18
zehiclemarkvoelker, I'm reading that part now15:18
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zehiclewe'll always have people who are getting used to the process and need to ask questions.15:20
zehicleI think I'm in favor of splitting the files and merging them15:21
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zehiclethen having patches for discussion15:21
egluteok15:21
zehiclebut I'm not ready to fight for that, just me sense of what's easiest/clearest15:22
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catherine_d|1what is the final decision?  using the same file name or separate?  I can operate either way just need to submit a patch for heat15:22
zehiclemarkvoelker, catherine_d|1 hogepodge you have horses in that race - it's really your call15:22
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egluteyeah, i think we can change later if it is too complicated/not clear15:22
zehiclein the end, all the changes end up in 2015.next anyway15:23
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markvoelkerI think I mildly prefer keeping them together, but like I said: no strong opinion and happy to be flexible if others have strong opinions.15:23
zehiclebut that won't have the rebase challenges15:23
markvoelkerI would ask one thing though:15:23
markvoelkerIf we do decide to split them, could we keep the existing network patch as-is?  We have a reasonably good discussion going in that review and I hate to disrupt it with a process change.15:24
zehiclemarkvoelker, +115:24
hogepodgeJust use the same name and make it one rebased file. I'm happy with that15:24
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eglutemarkvoelker +115:24
zehiclewont git mv keep the history on the file?15:24
hogepodgebut it's just a convenience, so I don't have too strong an opinion either way15:26
zehiclehave to go in a min - can we move on to the Vendor Config patch?15:27
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markvoelkerOk, sort of sounds like no real strong opinions one way or the other, so I'll suggest we just leave it as-is, try it out for a while, and revisit later once we've had some experience working with it.15:27
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markvoelkerzehicle: +115:27
zehiclemarkvoelker, +1 on leaving it for now.15:28
eglute#topic vendor config patch15:28
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zehicleif someone wants to split it then _just do it_ for your section15:28
zehicleno one will be upset15:28
eglute:)15:28
egluteok, so require vendors to submit configs15:29
eglute#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207209/15:29
zehiclefor the Vendor Config patch, my goal was to have vendors explain what they are supporting15:29
zehicleso more about supported config than tested config15:29
markvoelkerWe actually had a pretty good/healthy discussion about this last week in the meeting I think...15:30
zehiclewith the assumption that if they support it then the results _should_ be repeatable on their config15:30
markvoelkerHmm...15:30
zehicleI had a chance to see the review15:30
zehicleand discussion15:30
markvoelkerAnd now that I think about it, Chris and I had an AI to start an ML thread and I think we both thought the other was going to start it.=)15:30
zehicleI think you sent it out there15:30
hogepodgeoops15:30
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zehiclemust have been on the patch15:31
eglutewell, do you think it is still worth having ML discussion?15:31
zehicleI do think that we need to collect information from the Vendors about what they support15:31
zehiclemore specifically, about what configuration will reproduce the results they posted15:32
zehiclethey could choose to post the exact configuration or choose to post something more production class15:32
markvoelkerzehicle: so I think we talked a bit about that last week too.  To sum it up briefly, I think there's concern that one test result can't realistically show "what they support"...in most cases it shows a very small subset15:33
zehiclebut there's an element of trust15:33
markvoelkerAnd the Marketplace would actually be a much better forum for showcasing requirements15:33
zehiclethey can submit multiple results15:33
markvoelkerE.g. in the Marketplace, we can provide a place to link to datasheets, reference architectures, etc.15:33
zehicleas long as there's a consistent set of data for comparision15:33
zehiclenot just the vendor's choice15:33
markvoelkerzehicle: sure, the Marketplace folks could define a set of things that vendors provide when they want to appear.15:34
zehicleagreed15:34
zehiclethis just gives the Foundation the authority as part of the process to require it15:34
markvoelker(I'm not wed to the idea of using the Marketplace for this, BTW, it was just the most viable option that came up last week)15:34
markvoelker(If there's a better place, I'm all ears....)15:34
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zehicleI suspect the marketplace will have a lot of, um, marketing on it15:35
zehicleI'd like to have DefCore results be somewhat more generic15:35
zehiclethat was my thinking when we discussed it face to face15:35
markvoelkerI'm fine with that, but product requirements aren't really defcore results.15:35
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zehicleagreed - I was looking for minimum specs to reproduce results15:36
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zehiclethat was the essence of the discussion - we want vendors to explain what customers would need to reproduce15:37
zehicleits a bit strange with the hosted services but likely useful information15:37
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markvoelkerzehicle: So maybe we should make the patch say that instead of "The objective is for users to understand the requirements for deployable products and to know the resources available on hosted products."?15:37
markvoelkerBecause those seem like two really different things...15:38
zehicleperhaps15:38
zehicleIf we are loooking for interop, then you likely need to know the background either way15:38
markvoelkerIf this is about establishing interoperability, I'd argue that this is the wrong way to go about collecting data.  If it's about helping people understand how the test run used for certification was done, this might be fine.15:39
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hogepodgeI need to drop off for a bit. I'll try to be back online before the meeting ends.15:40
eglutethanks zehicle15:40
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markvoelkerOk, so should we go ahead and take this to the ML?  I'll take the AI to start that thread if we want to.15:41
hogepodgequick word on the topic though, Foundation wants deployment information in some way.15:41
egluteso i think we would still benefit from ML discussion, even if it would be to give others a chance to chime in. markvoelker would you start it?15:41
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markvoelkersure15:41
markvoelkerChris: it would be good to know what they want to use that info for....I think we've had more than one potential use for it come up now.15:41
markvoelkerhogepodge: ^^15:41
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eglute#action markvoelker hogepodge will start ML discussion regarding vendors submitting config info15:41
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eglutei am guessing hogepodge walked off for a bit15:43
eglutemarkvoelker and catherine_d|1 do you want to do the refstack updates?15:43
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catherine_d|1eglute: I still have a question about capability scoring ...15:44
egluteok, go for it15:44
eglute#topic capabilities scoring15:44
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catherine_d|1so what is the procedure if I need to change the capability name (for example heat) ... do i just update the spreadsheet then send the patch?  some of the names do not make sense..15:45
* markvoelker just fixed that bug with the scoring script btw15:45
* eglute thanks markvoelker 15:45
markvoelkercatherine_d|1: I think that's fine.  We already changed the network names anyway (we changed "network-" to "networks-")15:46
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catherine_d|1ok so I will make the change on the heat section of the spreadsheet before submitting the heat scoring patch ...15:47
markvoelkercatherine_d|1: sounds good15:47
eglute+115:47
catherine_d|1eglute: I am ready for the next topic :-)15:48
eglutegreat!15:48
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eglutesince it is only 3 of us, we can talk more scoring. but i would like to hear about refstack first15:48
eglutewhat do you think?15:48
catherine_d|1+115:48
eglute#topic refstack15:48
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eglutecatherine_d|1 did you add that item?15:49
hogepodgeo/15:49
eglutewb hogepodge15:49
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catherine_d|1hogepodge: what is the personel change in RefStack?15:50
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hogepodgeIt's likely Sergei will be reassigned15:50
eglutesorry, i assumed it was catherine_d|115:50
hogepodgeThe mirantis contract for that work ends this week15:50
catherine_d|1oh no ...15:51
catherine_d|1hogepodge: no way we can continue ...?15:51
hogepodgeNot from our side15:51
eglutewas it a contract from foundation side?15:52
catherine_d|1that only leave IBM on RefStack development nit very good for a community project ....15:52
catherine_d|1nit -> not15:52
hogepodgeYes15:53
catherine_d|1I really do not want it to be an IBM only project ...15:53
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* markvoelker was completely unaware of that contract in the first place15:53
hogepodgeWe can figure out how to get more participation15:53
eglutei will send email to Sam and Daryl to see if they will be helping with the project15:53
* eglute was not aware of the contract either15:53
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catherine_d|1it was a contract starting from Dell ...15:54
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eglutecatherine_d|1 what do you mean?15:54
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catherine_d|1I think Dell hire developers to work on RefStack  on their behalf15:55
markvoelkerok, so regardless of the contract: we need more participation in refstack.  I'll see if I can poke anyone...15:55
catherine_d|1markvoelker: +2 ...15:56
eglutecatherine_d|1 could you send an email to defcore mailing list and maybe QE list asking for people to get more involved?15:56
egluteI am asking internally as well15:56
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catherine_d|1will do ..15:57
eglutethank you catherine_d|115:57
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eglute#action catherine_d|1 send an email to mailing lists asking for people to help with refstack15:57
eglutewe have 2 minutes, any last items?15:58
hogepodgeIt's not a foregone conclusion, but a likelihood15:58
markvoelker#action everyone go review scoring script and let's merge that sucker15:58
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eglutemarkvoelker yes15:58
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eglutethanks everyone!15:59
eglute#endmeeting15:59
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sdake#startmeeting kolla16:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug 19 16:01:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'kolla'16:01
sdake#topic rollcall16:01
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SamYaplefirst16:01
bmacehi16:01
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sdakeo/ - kolla rockin!16:02
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rhalliseyhey16:02
jmccarthyo/16:02
jpeelerhey16:02
inc0afternoon/evening guys16:02
sdakewaiting 2 more mins for folks16:02
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pbourkehi16:03
SamYaplelets make all the important decisions now16:03
sdake#topic Announcements16:03
*** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)"16:03
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sdake1. There is an operator midcycle this week - lots of good news on kolla front - will get to that later in agenda16:04
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sdake2. I kicked all "Not started" blueprints to rc1 which has a deadline of September 25th (HARD DEADLINE) - more on this in the meeting16:05
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sdakeanyone else have announcements?16:05
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inc0meeting time?16:05
sdakeinc0 yup we are in the meeting now16:05
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inc0I meant to remind that we're moving 30mins forward16:05
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sdakeoh right16:05
inc0and remove GMT-night one16:06
sdake3. i am posting an email aftr this meeting to propose we move all meetings to 16;30 including our 22:00 meeting16:06
sdakewould appreciate fast feedback on that16:06
sdakeon the mailing list16:06
sdake#topic gate status16:06
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sdakejpeeler has done a fantastic job of integrating build.py with the gate16:07
sdakei've done some work to start building all combos of templates + docker + ubuntu + source + binary16:07
sdakethis is 8 gates total16:07
sdakewe can't do ubuntu binary16:07
sdakeso it is  actually 6 gates16:07
pbourkegood job guys16:07
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rhalliseynice job jpeeler16:08
sdakewe only have 2 gates operatoinal at this time16:08
pbourkereally looking forward to having gates that actually... gate :)16:08
sdakebut the rest are coming shortly16:08
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sdakeon the gates that actually gate front, we need a --retry because the mirrors re flakey16:08
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inc0whats plan of CI-checking that services actually run and work well?16:08
sdakeonce the gate works reliably we can possibly make the gates voting16:08
sdakebut delorean has no mirros so if delorean repo goes down, our voting gate would block16:09
jpeelerinc0: that's after image building gets sorted16:09
sdakeso mirrors of delorean will be the trigger point for voting gating (pus retry)16:09
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sdakeya after image building is working reliably we can tackle functional ci16:09
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inc0can we make sources builds block at least?16:10
sdakei'd like to start off simple with an AIO deploy on centos binary/source that nova boots and checks the nova instance enters active state16:10
sdakeinc0 we pull openvswitch from delorean repos16:10
sdakethe only one we can make voting is ubuntu-source16:10
sdakebut i'd be game for that16:10
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inc0well centos-binary is our main distro still, so that wouldnt block too much16:11
SamYaplesdake: ubuntu-source isnt ready16:11
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SamYapleyou mean centos-source?16:11
sdakeyup its a problem that centos-binary is our main distro16:11
inc0SamYaple, centos-source still uses delorean openvswitch16:11
sdakecentos-source also pulls from delorean repos for openvswitch16:11
inc0question tho - won't this work without delorean up? openvswitch is in other repos too16:12
sdakemy action is to ride the delorean people to get them to ssetup mirrors16:12
SamYapleubuntu-source isn't ready though16:12
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sdakeyes we wont make the gates voting untit he code works samyaple ;)16:12
SamYapleok just making sure everyone knows16:12
SamYapleubuntu isnt ready like at all16:12
SamYapleim going through it now16:12
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sdakeone thing i need sooner rather then later for gating is for setup_gate.sh to setup an ubuntu environment gate16:13
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sdakeonce the gating patches are complete in project-config, we are removing f21-functional gate job (build.sh gating)16:14
sdakewe also need --retry on the gates if someone wants to tackle that16:14
sdake#topic Operator Midcycle16:14
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sdake#link #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-meetup16:15
inc0anyone from kolla is there?16:15
sdake#link #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-meetup16:15
sdake#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-meetup16:15
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sdake#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-meetup16:15
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sdake#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-containers-for-deployment16:15
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sdake#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-upgrades16:16
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sdakeinc0 operators are keen to use Kolla16:16
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sdakeI wasn't there but got a report back16:16
inc0I know...I pitched kolla a lot;)16:16
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sdakethere was some discussion on osad vs kolla16:16
sdakeapparently immutability is huge with the operators and this was a big point on the osad vs kolla discussion in the midcycle16:17
inc0we had good discussion about kolla in Vancouver ops summit16:17
sdakekolla was well represented, people seemed super interested in what we havet o offer16:17
inc0upgrades session16:17
sdakesince it takes us about a week to implement a new container + ansible code for it assuming there is no keystone domain work erequired, we scale extremely quickly16:18
sdakethe links above (for your later viewiing pleasure)16:18
sdakekey requirements16:18
sdakeneed upgrade from one version to the next16:18
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sdakeoperators want to be able to run rabbitmq/galera on their own vms16:18
sdakein some cases rather then in containers16:19
sdakethere was alot of quesitons about whether docker was production ready16:19
inc0it's not a problem with a bit of tinkering of inventory file16:19
sdakemy answer to that is "for kolla use cases it absolutely is"16:19
sdakefor more advanced use casewss it is not16:19
SamYapleinc0: no that isnt inventory file tinkering, that is enable_rabbitmq: no16:20
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sdakeyup16:20
SamYaplebut we _can_ is the point16:20
sdakeI think we can support that use case easily16:20
SamYapleif thats a major concern i can write some docs around it16:20
SamYapleI wrote the playboosk to support just that16:20
inc0tools being used are tripleo and ansible16:20
sdakethere wasn't alot of discussion about haproxy+keepalived being abstracted out into bare metal like rabbitmq/galera16:20
inc0and we'll have both16:20
sdakedocs will help samyaple16:21
sdakeany questions?16:21
sdakewaiting for 30 seconds for irc lag :)16:21
harmwhi guys!16:21
SamYaplehey harmw16:21
inc0now, that's a irc lag harmw :D16:22
SamYaplewe already discussed moving the time for next week16:22
SamYapleso hopefully you wont get cut off anymore16:22
sdakehey harmw16:22
harmwplease excuse me for beeing not as active past weeks16:22
sdakeharmw check the logs plz :)16:22
harmwwill do sdake16:22
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sdake#action all developres to review last two ops midcycle etherpads for ideas16:23
inc0I'll talk with Will Auld (moderator of upgrades session) and ask if there is more to be done than things in etherpad16:23
SamYaplenamedropper16:23
SamYapleboo16:23
sdake#topic Liberty-3 planning16:23
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SamYaple:)16:23
inc0we16:23
inc0we're in middle of l3...is this a good time to plan stuff?;)16:24
sdake#link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/liberty-316:24
sdakeplease everyone open that page up16:24
rhalliseyinc0, we're doing status16:24
sdakei know clicking is hard ;016:24
harmwok16:24
sdakeanything good progress, implemented, needs code review i'm going to skip16:25
sdakewe have a logging section in the agenda so skipping that one16:25
sdakethe goal of this session is to identify any bluepritns that wont make aug 3116:25
sdakeso they can be kicked to rc116:25
SamYapleok sdake give me a second to update some blueprints16:25
SamYaplego over other peoples first16:26
rhalliseysdake, kick anything that isn't ceph for me16:26
sdakerhallisey kicking16:26
sdake2 mins for people to update their status16:26
sdakestarting again at 9:2916:26
harmwsad, thats easy for me16:26
harmw:p16:26
inc0any chance to bump ironic priority up?16:26
inc0if we land this, we might actually impact tripleo heavily with a bit of luck16:27
jpeelerinc0: i know you've pinged me a few times about ironic. i'm on it starting today16:27
jpeeleralready starting converting my old work to config-external16:27
inc0jpeeler, anything we can help you with?16:27
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inc0I hate tripleo devtest, let's make it better16:28
SamYaplesdake: was the core/contrib structure kciked?16:28
sdakesamyaple yes16:28
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jpeelerinc0: not yet, learning exercise for me for now since i've not done a new container in a while. but it's being worked on, so i'll let you know more later16:28
SamYapleto Mitaka?16:28
sdakewe will get to rc1 next promise :)16:28
sdakei think to rc116:28
sdakekeep in mind we can make whatever changes we like16:28
inc0appreciate that jpeeler16:28
sdakelets focus on l3 for now plz :)16:28
pbourkea quick question on the ansible swift bp16:29
sdakerhallisey I am going to leave your bugs in liberty-3 ok?16:29
pbourkehow do people feel about us leaving it up to the op to provide the rings16:29
sdakepbourke let me go through them in ordern ow16:29
rhalliseysure16:29
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pbourkesdake: ah16:29
pbourkesure16:29
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sdakeok 3 mins is up16:29
sdakehopefully you have had a chance to udate all your blueprints16:29
sdakeif something is in good progress but it wont land until rc1 in compelted state lets keep it in l316:30
sdakeand we can kick it at the end of the cycle16:30
sdake#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/kolla-ansible-script16:30
sdakediga is responsible for reporting status on this one16:30
sdakesince he isnt around i'll do that16:31
sdakei'm not sure what else is needed here16:31
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sdakekolla-ansible deploy works ok16:31
SamYaplesdake: it needs to be written in python16:31
sdakeI would appreciate moe discussion on the blueprint so we know hat people want out of it16:31
SamYaplewe talked about this in L216:31
sdakeright16:31
sdakecan you add discussion to the blueprint on that point16:31
SamYaplesure16:32
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harmwSamYaple: could you add the wy to it?16:32
sdakewhat we wnt here i really undefined16:32
sdakehttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/ansible-mongodb16:32
sdakecoolsvap|away is responsible for this one16:32
sdakeits a dependency of ceilometer16:32
sdakeit is not started16:32
sdakehe said he would knock it out this weekend along with ceilometer16:32
harmwis the original even in a working state?16:32
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sdakeharmw no idea16:32
harmw(else he's in for more hard labor to get it even up and running)16:33
harmwhorizon feels like something that needs prio16:33
sdake#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/ansible-horizon16:34
sdakei just took this over from rhalllisey since he requested it be kicked16:34
sdakethere is a review up16:34
pbourkeis it still in wip?16:34
sdakerhallisey mind giving an update on your WIP ansible code?16:34
rhalliseyI haven't looked at horizon since I thought you were going to take it16:35
sdakepbourke yes I haven't touched it16:35
sdakewhat state was it in then rhallisey ?16:35
SamYaplehey guys im sorry I have to drop off here16:35
rhalliseyoh16:35
sdakeSamYaple understood16:35
rhalliseybasic infrastructure setup16:35
SamYaplesdake was there anything else I was needed for?16:35
rhalliseythat's all16:35
SamYapleive got like 3 min16:35
sdakethe logging discussion and rc1 discussion :)16:35
SamYaple:/16:36
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sdakebut we can tackle that next wek16:36
SamYapleok will ill read logs16:36
SamYapleinc0 is leading that16:36
sdakeor the mailing lit16:36
sdakeok16:36
inc0we can discuss that tomorrow16:36
SamYapleinc0 hit me up later if you haev questions16:36
harmwregarding horizon, perhaps I can put in some effort there16:36
SamYaplethanks guys im out16:36
sdakeso before weeks end i plan to have a horizon ansible code up and running16:36
sdakeor die trying16:36
rhalliseySamYaple, see ya16:36
sdakeharmw if you want to take the wip blueprint that would rock - I am really overloaded16:36
sdakebut it absolutely needs to finish before the 31st16:37
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sdakeall essential/high need to finish before the 31st plz :)16:37
harmwit'd be realy sad if my contribution for L3 would be 0,016:37
sdake#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/replace-config-external16:37
sdakeharmw sometimes it happens16:37
harmwlets not, ok :p16:37
sdakeharmw you are doing reviews, that is a contirbution16:37
harmwsdake: I can't assign myself to it16:38
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sdakethis blueprint is not started16:38
harmw(horizon)16:38
sdakethe idea here is to use a json file to load into the container and remove config-eternal16:38
sdakeharmw i'll do after meeting ok?16:39
harmwsure thing16:39
sdakeSamYaple if your still around any chance this woudl make liberty3?16:39
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pbourkedoes it need to?16:39
harmwfeels like a no, imho16:39
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sdakesince this is in the not started state, I will speak to sam about it tomorrow when he returns16:39
harmwit's a great feature, but I think there's higher prio work still to do16:40
sdakeand we may kick it to rc116:40
harmwok16:40
pbourkeharmw: +116:40
harmwwfm16:40
sdakei want the containers to be locked down after liberty16:40
sdakeas in the structure and config16:40
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sdakeso we have an easy migration path16:40
sdakeso it is fairly high on my priority list16:40
sdakebut overall medium given our list of other work16:40
pbourkefair point16:41
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harmwI'd say kickoff the last sprint with this one16:41
sdake#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/run-data-container16:41
sdakethis is unowned16:41
sdakeharmw wfm since need sam's expertise lets make sure hes on board with that16:41
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harmwofcourse :)16:41
sdakethe idea of this blueprint is to use a data container for /run16:41
sdakefor things like neutron and haproxy16:42
sdakei dont think it can be done for nova16:42
sdakethis woudl be a breaking change to our containers16:42
sdakeso again another thing that needs to be locked down before t he release16:42
sdakewhich is september 25th (rc1) deadline16:42
sdakeanyone interested in giving  this a spin?16:42
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sdakeok moving to rc116:43
harmwsounds like it needs some more investigation, so perhaps settle in having someone do that and do the works in the next sprint16:43
sdake#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/neutron-third-party-plugins16:44
sdakenote rc1 is not really a sprint16:44
sdakeits supposed to be bug fixes only :)16:44
harmwtrue true16:44
sdakeand mandatory features we missed in l316:44
sdakepbourke mind giving an update on this one16:44
sdakein other words, will it make aug 31st16:45
harmwpbourke: you've got requests for specific plugins here (from ppl)?16:45
pbourkei haven't looked at it for a little while, but afaik it just needs a restructure, should not be a big deal16:45
pbourkeharmw: yes16:45
harmwcool16:45
harmw$work, perhaps?16:45
pbourkesdake: so yes should not be a problem for l316:45
sdakepbourke if you could get a reworked patch in the queue for debate that woudl help16:45
sdakethe last patch hasn't been touched since the beginning of l3 :)16:45
sdake#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/ironic-container16:46
pbourkewell, I said a while :p16:46
sdakejpeeler mind giving us an update on ironic in container and ansibilizing the work16:46
sdakeit says started16:46
jpeelerwell it was started from june and then i had to put it down16:46
jpeelerso as i was saying earlier, i have started porting my work over to current practices16:47
jpeelerand i'll be focused on it now that the gate is running the new build job16:47
sdakecool16:47
sdakewell when it gets to good progress pleae update the tracker16:47
jpeelerwill do16:48
sdakei'm going to start pushing starteds next week16:48
inc0jpeeler, if you need any help with ansible, ping me16:48
sdakeso we can focus on the blueprints we can finish16:48
jpeelerinc0: alrighty!16:48
sdake#topic liberty rc1 planning16:48
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sdakewe are running short on time16:48
sdakeso I just want to point out a link16:48
sdake#link #link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/liberty-rc116:49
sdake#undo16:49
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sdake#link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/liberty-rc116:49
sdakeyou will notice all blueprints here are in not started state16:49
sdakethey were originally in liberty316:49
sdakeif you think something should be pushed to mitaka, be prepared next meeting to make the case :)16:50
harmwI'm seeing two already started16:50
sdake#topic templating16:50
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sdake#link #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-dockerfile-template16:50
sdakeharmw those i just pushed this meeting16:50
harmwk16:50
sdakeok so good news everyone :)16:50
sdakethe templating is complete - everything needed is in the review queue16:51
sdakeplease prioritize these reviews today16:51
harmwcool16:51
sdakei think just nova is left for an ack16:51
sdakebut not certain16:51
inc0how about I make logging stuff in template-only containers?16:51
sdakeso we have complete parity with docker and docker_templates16:51
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sdakeinc0 logging is next up on agenda16:52
sdakewe will hae 5 minutes16:52
sdakeso for templating16:52
sdakewe need to nuke the docker directory16:52
inc0I mean, do we accept new stuff in templating from start?16:52
sdakeinc0 yes16:52
inc0without "normal" Dockerfiles?16:52
sdakedocker is deprecated16:52
inc0ok16:52
sdakethe docker directory is deprecated now16:52
sdakeas of today16:52
inc0that's what I wanted to hear (read)16:52
pbourke+116:53
harmwsdake: is that in the docs already?16:53
sdakei am going to make a blueprint for removal of the docker directory16:53
sdakeharmw no - needs docs changes16:53
sdakeharmw it is in some of the docs actually16:53
sdakethe README.md16:53
rhalliseyuh hold on..16:53
sdakeiirc16:53
harmwI mentioned doing that in some of the changes made in docs recently16:53
harmwok sdake16:53
inc0what's up Ryan?16:53
harmwbuilding up suspense..16:54
jpeelerha16:54
harmw*drumroll*16:54
rhalliseyI just want to make sure we can consume these16:54
sdakerhallisey speak or i'll move on :)16:54
sdakerhallisey i will put a blueprint up in the discussion phase16:54
sdakefor rc116:55
inc0rhallisey, you mean tripleo? this shouldn't affect tripleo16:55
rhalliseyya I haven't looked that them at all16:55
inc0since its about building dockers16:55
inc0not deployment16:55
sdakerhallisey we hae cmplete parity with docker so tripleo is unaffecte16:55
jpeelerright16:55
sdaked16:55
rhalliseyI just want to be sure since we're using docker dir atm16:55
inc0rhallisey, do you build images docker images in tripleo?16:55
rhalliseywe aren't, but we might16:56
sdake#action sdake to make blueprint to remove docker directory16:56
inc0I don't think we should tho16:56
sdakeif you aren't then you can use the docker templates directory and build.py16:56
rhalliseykk16:56
sdakei dont want to maintain two docker build systems or sets of files16:57
rhalliseyoh ya agreed16:57
inc0let's just teach tripleo to consume registry images, and let build.py do its templating magic16:57
sdakeok logging - unfortunately we are out of time16:57
rhalliseyinc0, I think that's likely the case16:57
sdake#topic open discussion16:57
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rhalliseyjust was bringing it up16:57
rhalliseythat's all16:57
sdake3 minutes - sorry for short amount of time16:57
inc0sdake, I'll just prepare prototype of loggin and we'll discuss it next week16:57
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inc0rsyslog container is inprog16:58
harmwregarding logging, I know putting logs in a datacontainer makes us able to cater to everyones needs16:58
sdakeinc0 sounds good16:58
sdakeyes i'd like one data container for logs if possible per node16:58
harmwbut docker can log using fluentd, which talks logstash native16:58
harmwperhaps nice to look into, some day16:58
sdakeand to put the log files in /var/log16:59
inc0let's discuss it next week, I have few ideas I want to try out16:59
sdakecool16:59
harmwsounds like a plan16:59
sdakehave discussion on the logging blueprint pls16:59
sdakethat way there is a referencable recor16:59
sdakeif you want, create an etherpad for discussion16:59
sdakeand link it to the blueprint16:59
sdakeor link blueprint to it i mean16:59
sdakeok we are outof time, we can overflow in #kolla16:59
sdake#endmeeting16:59
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