Wednesday, 2019-04-10

tonyb[m]diablo_rojo: I'm hoping to fix that in the next 45 mins now that I'm done with errands00:17
tonyb[m]diablo_rojo: #theraceison00:17
diablo_rojomattoliverau, yep, its in ~40 min00:23
diablo_rojoI guess I should email the discuss list00:23
spotzping me to remind me the meeting is starting, but I've finished packing so just doing some work00:41
diablo_rojospotz, can do. I'll add you to the ping list00:41
spotzWon't swear I'll always be home but usually am on Tuesday nights:)00:41
diablo_rojospotz, sounds good :) We'll take what we can get.00:43
spotzLuckily not Monday nights that's agility unless cancelled:)00:43
cmurphyi'm going to miss this meeting, sorry :(00:44
spotzcmurphy: :(00:45
tonyb[m]:(00:45
diablo_rojocmurphy, just this time or regularly?00:46
diablo_rojo#startmeeting fc_sig01:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 10 01:00:12 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is diablo_rojo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.01:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.01:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'fc_sig'01:00
diablo_rojogmann, mattoliverau, cmurphy, tonyb, spotz01:00
diablo_rojo#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/First_Contact_SIG#Meeting_Agenda Meeting Agenda01:00
* diablo_rojo waits for people to appear01:01
spotz\o/01:01
mattoliverauo/01:01
mattoliverauI'm free, but where did you send the new meeting time, I never saw anything.01:02
diablo_rojoI sent it to the discuss list when I got the patch up and then just like a half hour ago.01:02
diablo_rojoas a reminder01:02
spotzHence me:)01:02
mattoliverauahh fair enough, cool, somehow I missed it all. But cool, this is a great time, plus we get spotz!01:03
spotzI don't know what day it is sometimes but I saw it come through and went ooohhh:)01:03
diablo_rojomattoliverau, exactly :) Much more rest of the US friendly.01:03
diablo_rojoAnyone know if gmann is coming?01:04
diablo_rojoI know cmurphy is not01:04
mattoliverauand here. 11am during the day is great, no babies for me to get into bed :)01:04
tonyb[m]\o/01:04
diablo_rojoOh hello tonyb[m] :)01:04
tonyb[m]sorry I'm late01:05
diablo_rojotonyb[m], no worries, should we add your mobile irc nick to the ping list?01:05
diablo_rojo#topic Announcements01:06
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* med_ looks around and01:06
med_o/01:06
gmanno/01:06
gmannsorry for late01:06
diablo_rojomed_, joining us?01:06
diablo_rojogmann,  no worries01:06
med_investigating01:07
diablo_rojoIts a new meeting time. I anticipated some lateness :)01:07
diablo_rojoWe should all look at and update our UTC offsets in the wiki now that we've all had DST01:07
gmannyeah that's the reason :)01:07
diablo_rojoNot really an announcement I guess, but a thing to note?01:07
diablo_rojoI got to live through it twice..01:08
spotzAnnouncement is new time!:)01:08
* med_ suspects those in Australia are not on DST... like tonyb01:08
diablo_rojoI thought they'd had theirs by now?01:08
mattoliverauno, but we just turned back last weekend01:08
diablo_rojoMaybe I'm wrong.01:08
diablo_rojoAnywho, anything else to announce before we move onto the homework?01:09
mattoliverauor which ever way it went, timezones and DST is hard :P01:09
tonyb[m]med_ we did the switch off of DST last weekend so we're now AEST (UTC+1000)01:09
tonyb[m]so the clocks are 'sane' for another 6 months01:09
med_nods01:10
* diablo_rojo guesses there nothing else to announce and is gonna move on :) 01:10
diablo_rojo#topic New Contributor Patches01:10
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diablo_rojoSo, for new people to our meetings, med_ and spotz, we have two bits of homework we all try to get to in between meetings with varying degrees of succes.01:11
diablo_rojo*success01:11
mattoliverauthere are alot of stackalytics ones this time01:11
mattoliverauso that may be a bunch of new patches (which we don't really track)01:11
mattoliverausoon01:11
mattoliverauoh its all the same person01:12
mattoliveraumaybe not :P01:12
diablo_rojoThe first bit of homework is going through new contributor patches and reviewing or getting attention for at least two patches.01:12
mattoliverauor rather a bunch of people to bocloud (me can read) :P01:12
diablo_rojomattoliverau, huh. Interesting.01:12
diablo_rojoEven if it gets updated that I dont think that is being reflected in what exists on the stackalytics01:13
gmannshould we cleanup those patches which are too old like >1 year or 2 year ?01:13
diablo_rojogmann, that would be my preference..01:13
diablo_rojoI'm the person that routinely zeroes out her email inbox though01:13
spotzYeah even in the project no way to merge extremely old patches safetly01:14
gmannif author not active that can be the best case and that is reason for most of the old patches01:14
diablo_rojoSounds like we are okay with this then?01:14
diablo_rojospotz, med_ we have this link to all new contributor patches that arent in the sanbox related repos01:15
diablo_rojo#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/reviewedby:%22Welcome%252C+new+contributor!+(10068)%22+is:open+-project:+openstack-dev/sandbox+AND+-project:openstack-dev/ci-sandbox New Contrib Patches01:15
spotzdiablo_rojo: saved01:16
mattoliverauWhich also happens to be on our FC_SIG wiki page01:16
gmannyeah01:16
diablo_rojoOh yeah its there if you need it.01:16
mattoliverauThere are some others, there.01:17
mattoliveraupatches I mean.01:17
mattoliverauThe idea is, if it's something you know about, go in and help, if not feel free to go in, say hi, and add the project liasion to the change.01:18
diablo_rojoI've been drowning in new contributor/outreachy applicant patches in storyboard still01:18
mattoliverauthere is an etherpad with a nice message you can use.01:18
diablo_rojoWell put mattoliverau01:18
diablo_rojomuch more eloquent01:19
mattoliverauI also tend to mention it to the person I added (liason) in #openstack-dev if there around as a heads up01:19
gmann+10001:19
diablo_rojoGood practice01:20
mattoliverauIf there not, I still add them, they are signed up as a liason ;)01:20
mattoliverau*they're01:20
diablo_rojoPrecisely :)01:20
diablo_rojoAnything else on this topic before we move onto homework item #2?01:20
gmannnothing from my side01:21
mattoliveraulet's move on :)01:22
cmurphyo/01:22
diablo_rojo#topic Ask.o.o01:22
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mattoliveraucmurphy: o/01:22
mattoliverauI don't see anything new here01:22
diablo_rojomattoliverau, got an eloquent way to explain this homework to med_ and spotz ?01:22
mattoliverauThere is:01:23
mattoliverau#link https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/120283/is-there-a-mentoring-program-for-openstack/01:23
mattoliverauand01:23
mattoliverau#link https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/120283/is-there-a-mentoring-program-for-openstack/01:23
diablo_rojoI have two questions that I posted a while ago that I dont see responses from any of you on.01:23
mattoliverau#link https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/120284/are-there-any-in-person-trainings/01:23
mattoliverauopps ^ that one01:23
mattoliverauwhich I believe are both from diablo_rojo ;)01:24
diablo_rojoBut you found both of them01:24
diablo_rojoYes01:24
diablo_rojogot me :)01:24
diablo_rojoIts like a game of hide and seek01:24
mattoliveraubut we need to make sure they are answered correctly01:24
mattoliverauok, so this homework01:24
med_diablo_rojo was the anonymous poster/requestor?01:24
spotzThe mentoring one is a loaded question:(01:24
diablo_rojomed_, correct01:24
mattoliverauWe try and keep an eye on any new contributor releated questions in ask.o.o01:24
diablo_rojotrying to seed ask.o.o with good data01:24
mattoliverauto make it easier we watch a bunch of topics that kinda make sense01:25
mattoliverauYou can see these, and links to them, on our wiki page01:25
mattoliverauin the agenda in fact :)01:25
diablo_rojoYep. Always there as standing items01:25
mattoliverauThere is an etherpad for seeding ask.o.o and always on the look out for more tags to monitor :)01:26
mattoliverau#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ask.o.o-contribution01:26
mattoliverau^ is the seeding etherpad01:26
diablo_rojoCurrently the etherpad is empty but if there is data that you think should be more discoverable bring it up there or just go ask the question01:27
mattoliverauannoytingly you cant search multiple tags as an OR, so we have one search link for each tag01:28
diablo_rojoYeah.. super obnoxious01:29
mattoliverauso if anyone wants to go an anwer diablo_rojo's questions then go ahead ;)01:29
diablo_rojospotz, the mentoring one might be up your alley ;)01:29
med_+101:29
diablo_rojoAnything else on this topic?01:29
gmannand we almost cover the tag which newby use till now but if you find any other new tag used by them frequently we can start monitoring that too01:29
spotzdiablo_rojo: Please ask after Summit?:)01:29
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mattoliveraugmann: +101:30
diablo_rojospotz, lol I suppose it can wait01:31
spotzI can answer the training one though:)01:31
diablo_rojospotz, go for it :)01:31
mattoliverau\o/01:31
diablo_rojoAlright, moving on.01:31
diablo_rojo#topic Sandbox Bot01:32
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diablo_rojotonyb[m] ?01:32
med_quick review: FC Sig members review / process / refer 2 of the new contrib patches (or more!) each bi-week and everyone reviews those tagged queries (the 2nd standing task)01:32
* mattoliverau looks at tonyb[m]01:32
diablo_rojomed_, yep you got it :)01:32
mattoliverautonyb[m]:  dont make me get out the gavel :P01:32
mattoliverau^ joke from last meeting01:33
* diablo_rojo is guessing that tonyb[m] had to dip out to wherever he mentioned earlier01:33
diablo_rojomattoliverau, lol good to add context as that sounds really harsh]01:33
gmann:)01:33
diablo_rojoIts okay we can circle back to this later.01:33
diablo_rojo#topic Summit + Forum planning01:34
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mattoliveraulol, tonyb[m] sent me an ebay link where I could buy one.. I didn't tho.01:34
diablo_rojomattoliverau, you should totally do it and carry it around at the summit01:34
diablo_rojo#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/events/23740/first-contact-sig-meet-and-greet Meet & Greet01:34
diablo_rojoTHat session is like.. right after keynotes on Monday.01:35
mattoliveraulol, at least for fc sig sessions where people would get it. and a great segway ;)01:35
diablo_rojoI tried to get it early on so that any new contributors could meet some friendly faces off the bat01:35
mattoliveraugreat idea01:35
mattoliverauI'll try and not look too scary01:36
diablo_rojoI might be a little late to the session since I will likely get caught up waiting for the staff photo that happens after keynotes.01:36
mattoliverauand obvously sprook it at OUI on the sunday01:36
diablo_rojosprook?01:36
mattoliverauI'll make sure I'm there first thing01:36
diablo_rojomattoliverau, cool thanks :)01:37
diablo_rojospruik: verb (used without object) Australian Slang. to make or give a speech, especially extensively or elaborately; spiel; orate.01:37
mattoliverauyeah that.. but I obviously spell if different.01:37
mattoliveraudidn't realise that was an Australianism01:37
mattoliverauso there you go :P01:38
med_OUI--Onboard Uni?01:38
diablo_rojo#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/events/23659/welcoming-new-contributors-state-of-the-union-and-deduplication-of-efforts Long titled other session to try to attend :)01:38
mattoliverauyou've all learnt a new word for the day.. excpet tonyb[m]01:38
diablo_rojomed_, OpenStack Upstream Institute01:38
med_gotcha.01:38
gmann:), mattoliverau you will be there in denver right ?01:38
mattoliverauyup.01:39
gmann\o/01:39
mattoliverauI'm flying in on Friday, so will be at OUI.01:39
gmannnice01:39
diablo_rojoSo that second session is going to go through all the onboarding type activities/resources and hopefully we can figure out if there is duplication of efforts and stop that.01:39
spotzI'll try to make it for atleast an hour or 2 between flight arrival and board meeting01:40
mattoliverauspotz: great01:40
gmanndiablo_rojo: link?01:40
mattoliveraudiablo_rojo: good plan.01:41
diablo_rojoha ha gmann it was the link I just posted two messages ago :)01:41
spotzWere we serious about brining old unused swag? Might have some t-shirts I can bring if room in suitcase01:41
diablo_rojospotz, for OUI?01:41
* med_ has some train whistles he could bring or handoff.... kind of a PTG inside joke though01:41
gmannah got it. thanks01:41
spotzyeah someone menitioned doing that in the meeting:)01:41
diablo_rojoWe can talk about that in the meeting next week.01:42
diablo_rojomed_, I would love a train whistle01:42
med_diablo_rojo, consider yours reserved.01:42
spotzdiablo_rojo: I'll be on European time at the office but will try to be there01:42
med_they aren't robust nor branded.01:42
spotzmed_: With the release name train that'll be cool:)01:42
diablo_rojomed_, do you also have a wood burner pen thing? we could put the OS logo on it01:42
med_diablo_rojo, not currently presently and you need to lower your expectations on this whistle. :^)01:43
diablo_rojospotz, I'll take notes as best as I can01:43
mattoliveraulol01:43
diablo_rojomed_, ha ha I could do the wood burning if someone had the tool01:43
* med_ had a wood burning tool and or soldering tool once upon a time but purged house a few years ago.01:43
diablo_rojoDang.01:44
diablo_rojoOkay, back on topic :) Lol.01:44
diablo_rojoAs for the PTG we are scheduled for Friday afternoon.01:44
diablo_rojoAnything else on Forum/PTG planning?01:44
med_FC SIG Friday?01:44
med_^ or OUI team?01:44
spotzSIG01:44
* med_ thinks maybe they are one and the same01:44
spotzthere's just a lot of overlap:)01:44
med_natch.01:45
diablo_rojomed_, FC SIG01:45
med_ack.01:45
diablo_rojothere is a lot of overlap certainly, but no OUI meetings are scheduled. Just the training Sunday.01:45
med_ack++01:45
diablo_rojoNext topic?01:46
mattoliveraunext01:46
diablo_rojo#topic Project Liaisons01:46
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* diablo_rojo looks at mattoliverau 01:46
mattoliverauoh, yeah, ahem..01:46
* diablo_rojo raises an eyebrow01:46
mattoliverauI might have forgotten to send the email01:47
mattoliveraubut now that all the new PTLs are in place I'll do that thing.01:47
diablo_rojo#action mattoliverau will send an email to the discuss list reminding new PTLs of the project liaison list, but seriously this time..01:47
mattoliveraulol01:47
* diablo_rojo hammers gavel01:48
mattoliveraunice use of an action item PLUS explaining why for spotz and med_01:48
mattoliveraulol01:48
* med_ thinks diablo_rojo is channeling patton. 01:48
spotzThat's what you're going with mattoliverau?:)01:48
diablo_rojoMight also want to mention updating UTC offsets for those on the list mattoliverau01:48
diablo_rojoThat's all I had for this topic :) Moving on.01:49
mattoliverauahh, yeah, I'll add that too.01:49
diablo_rojoLast topic01:49
* med_ is pondering the purpose and usage of the ethercalc sheet.... and wonders if it connects back to those new contrib patches01:49
diablo_rojo#topic People to Reach out to01:49
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mattoliveraumed_: ahh good pondering01:50
diablo_rojomed_, so basically this ethercalc is a list of contributors that seem to not focus on a single project and just target easy changes across all repos01:50
diablo_rojoWe want to try to engage with them to make them more effective contributors and to help them find their place on a project team.01:50
diablo_rojo(ten min left)01:50
mattoliverauwe want to harness their power and direct them at something "useful"(?)01:50
diablo_rojo^^yeah that01:51
diablo_rojowhat mattoliverau said01:51
* med_ crawls under a rock to hide01:51
* diablo_rojo wonders why med_ is hiding01:51
med_onesy twosy contributions to 4-5 different projects, no meat. Hopeless wannabe.01:52
mattoliverauWe don't want to stifle their excitement, or encourage them to help make a difference in an area that really needs it.01:52
diablo_rojoA while back I was given an item to look at if they were attending the summit so we could talk to them in person since our emails/patch reviews have largely gone unacknowledged.01:52
spotzI think he's like me commits in multiple places (where friends are or bugs I found) plus OSA:)01:52
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diablo_rojoUnfortunately, none of them will be in Denver01:52
diablo_rojospotz, med_ its different than what they are doing though.01:53
cmurphymed_: diablo_rojo and mattoliverau were tiptoeing around the word "spammers"01:53
spotzhehe01:53
cmurphybehavior that appears to be stats gaming01:53
mattoliveraulol01:53
med_so was their addition to this spreadsheet less automated than the tagging and queries earlier and more of a just I noticed while skimming the new contribs?01:53
diablo_rojoHa ha ha yeah basically.01:53
diablo_rojomed_, a little bit of both I think01:53
cmurphya few useful patches here and there is good, spamming projects with near-useless changes is not as good01:53
med_ah, I didn't think stats gaming was a thing any longer. (fewer free tickets, etc these days)01:53
mattoliveraumed_: and we also seem them in the projects we all review on. Not just first patches01:54
med_nods.01:54
diablo_rojoSo, basically we want to engage with them somehow.01:54
gmannand more coordination from them with community is the key.01:54
diablo_rojoHopefully they will be in shanghai?01:54
diablo_rojoSince none of them will be in Denver01:54
gmannyeah shanghai is good target.01:55
diablo_rojoI could also see if Horace can reach out to them somehow as he's based over there and understands the culture better?01:55
diablo_rojoidk01:55
diablo_rojojust brainstorming01:55
diablo_rojo(5 min left)01:56
mattoliverauwe want to always give people the benefit of the doubt. they could be new and nervous and want to help. So as diablo_rojo said, we want to try and nicely approach them, thank them and see if can help onboard into areas we need help.01:56
med_there is a preponderance of references to the README files in the affiliated open reviews.01:56
diablo_rojo+201:56
diablo_rojoYeah the common denominators are small spelling fixes or url fixes across allllll the repos01:57
med_sounds just like me. These are my people.01:57
spotzSomeone suggested they might have a 'quota' at work01:57
med_possibly.01:58
diablo_rojoYeah. So still working on that front..01:58
mattoliverauthere is nothing wrong with fixing some spelling or grammer, but I'd rather it in large patches, Ie give me one that fixes a bunch as to not make rebasing headaches for everyone else.01:58
fungiit was stated that at least one of the employers (i forget which one) was leveraging their overall stackalytics ranking in marketing to potential customers in their region01:58
* med_ has no quota (currently/historically)01:58
diablo_rojofungi, I think it was inspur01:58
diablo_rojobut I could be wrong01:58
* diablo_rojo waves to fungi :) 01:58
diablo_rojo#topic Open Discussion01:59
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med_nod, gotcha. So stackalytics as marketeering.01:59
fungii'd rather not conjecture at this time of my night ;)01:59
diablo_rojoYou all have one min for open discussion :)01:59
* mattoliverau wonders if fungi was trying not to use a company name in saved online logs 01:59
fungialso, how was the meeting time change announcement the first i'd found out about this channel?01:59
med_\o01:59
diablo_rojomattoliverau, ha ha ha ha ha that could be02:00
med_fungi, likewise02:00
fungibut hey, at least now i can attend regularly, even if it does overlap with tc office hour02:00
gmann+102:00
diablo_rojoTimes up..02:00
fungithanks diablo_rojo!02:00
diablo_rojothank you med_ spotz and fungi for coming to our new time :)02:00
mattoliverau+102:00
mattoliverauthanks diablo_rojo02:00
diablo_rojoThis new meeting time is awesome :)02:01
gmann+1, doing in this channel work well02:01
spotzYou're welcome02:01
* med_ saw the announcement hit discuss and had nothing going on...02:01
spotzfungi this channel has been here since whatever summit was after Barcelona:)02:01
diablo_rojoANd not just because I don't have to run a meeting at 11PM/12AM my time.02:01
diablo_rojo#endmeeting02:01
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gmannthanks diablo_rojo for chairing.02:01
fungispotz: i don't doubt that, i'm just obtuse02:01
spotznever!02:01
med_thanks all. Sorry for the newb noise.02:02
mattoliveraumed_: no, thanks for coming, hopefully we'll see you again in a fortnight :)02:02
fungibut now you've been inducted ;)02:02
diablo_rojomed_, our pleasure! Thanks for coming, we hope to see you again :)02:02
* mattoliverau loves the new time :)02:03
diablo_rojoMe too02:03
cmurphythis time is generally fine for me too, i just happened to be out with my mom at the time02:04
med_So I guess I learned something. Typos, simple fixes (in non executable files) are a nuisance to developers.02:05
med_due to rebasing etc without new functionality02:05
med_cmurphy, PDX area again?02:05
diablo_rojomed_, only on a super huge pan repo scale02:05
cmurphymed_: sort of, central oregon atm02:06
diablo_rojocmurphy, you're so close!02:06
med_gotcha. mfisch says high. Had missed you in gaming sessions when you EUroed.02:06
diablo_rojoWe should hang out some time.02:06
cmurphymed_: haha02:06
cmurphydiablo_rojo: yes!02:06
cmurphyi'll be moving back to portland soonish02:06
spotzOk bedtime for me, night all!02:06
cmurphywhich is even closer to seattle02:07
diablo_rojospotz, night!02:08
diablo_rojocmurphy, YES02:08
diablo_rojoWe can go to edm shows!02:08
cmurphydiablo_rojo: haha :D02:13
* fungi has to assume edm is something other than extreme death metal02:22
diablo_rojofungi, Electronic Dance Music02:25
funginew one on me. familiar with ebm but i don't recall anyone using the term in more than a decade02:27
* fungi has been out of the club scene for far too long02:28
diablo_rojo_phonfungi: you're welcome back any time :)02:33
fungithey still sell glow sticks, right?02:34
fungii kinda miss blacklights and deafening techno in abandoned warehouses02:35
* med_ is enjoying the after meeting.... listened to a story on NPR describing that EDM (edm?) is the music that ate the world.02:35
fungialso an anagram of your nick!02:36
med_truly02:36
diablo_rojo_phonfungi: indeed, glow sticks are still very very popular.02:41
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/contributor-guide master: Governance Fixes  https://review.openstack.org/65098907:55
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