Tuesday, 2017-10-24

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openstackgerritZhenguo Niu proposed openstack/governance master: Mogan - Bare Metal Compute Service  https://review.openstack.org/50840001:37
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ttxHi everyone, I was off yesterday, but I'll catch up with the newly elected folks during the office hours this week07:08
ttxFor the time being, if you could all make sure you are subscribed to openstack-tc list so that I can clear everyone's moderation bits07:09
openstackgerritThierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Update TC membership based on Queens election results  https://review.openstack.org/51388307:55
openstackgerritThierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Select Thierry Carrez as chair  https://review.openstack.org/51455307:55
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* cmurphy pokes her head in and looks around08:59
ttxtc-members assemble09:00
* ttx fixes up Gerrit rights for new members09:00
ttxcmurphy: o/09:00
ttxAlright, Gerrit rights up, you should be able to Rollcall+!/-1 now09:02
* ttx looks up openstack-tc list moderation bits now09:02
cmurphyooh shiny buttons09:03
ttxTheJulia: are you subscribed to openstack-tc yet ? If yes let me know which email address you are using so that I can clear your moderation bit09:05
ttxcmurphy and pabelanger all clear now09:05
* johnthetubaguy waves hello09:06
ttxlet's pile up a few +1s on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513883/ so that I get it merged quick09:07
ttxI'll try to get the other election officials to +1 it as well09:07
ttxpersia: ^09:08
ttxdiablo_rojo: ^09:08
ttxcmurphy, pabelanger, TheJulia: I'm a bit behind today, but will post an intro to openstack-tc around all the things you need to know09:09
ttxincluding Sydney reminders09:09
ttxlbragstad: could you +1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/511762/ ?09:13
johnthetubaguyttx: I wasn't sure if that ironic-inspector bit should really be under ironic (project vs deliverable)09:15
ttxI don't care that much tbh, as long as lbragstad is fine with it09:15
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ttxcmurphy, johnthetubaguy if one of you can approve https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513860/2 I'll merge it as a technical change09:16
ttxthat will let other people propose Rocky goals09:16
ttxoops wait09:16
openstackgerritThierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Adds Rocky Release Goal Directory  https://review.openstack.org/51386009:17
ttxOK it's ready to review now09:17
* ttx updates https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Technical_Committee_Tracker09:20
openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Update policy goal for horizon team  https://review.openstack.org/50098509:21
openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Update policy goal for dragonflow team  https://review.openstack.org/50103409:24
ttxjohnthetubaguy, cmurphy: if one of you can review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508694/ I can get it in09:24
ttxhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Technical_Committee_Tracker updated09:30
openstackgerritColleen Murphy proposed openstack/governance master: Update house rules to reflect absence of meetings  https://review.openstack.org/51458209:43
openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Adds Rocky Release Goal Directory  https://review.openstack.org/51386009:45
* ttx still busy writing the welcome email09:52
openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Update PTI around documentation jobs  https://review.openstack.org/50869410:03
openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Add mention of releasenotes to the PTI  https://review.openstack.org/50986810:07
ttxWelcome email for the new membership: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2017-October/001477.html10:15
ttxhope it answers all your questions10:15
ttxLet me know if you have others10:15
cmurphythanks ttx10:16
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pabelangergreat, thanks ttx12:44
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lbragstadttx: johnthetubaguy yep - that looks good (re: ironic change)13:21
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TheJuliattx: thanks!13:42
TheJuliattx: joined the mailing list this morning, juliaashleykreger@gmail.com13:43
ttxalright let me clear your mod bit now13:44
ttxTheJulia: all set!13:44
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Update TC membership based on Queens election results  https://review.openstack.org/51388315:26
cdentcmurphy: are interested in/planning to pursue some of these retention issues you’ve mentioned on os-dev? I ask because I think they bear a strong relationship with the “developer happiness” stuff I’ve been (vaguely) pursuing.15:31
cdents/are/are you/15:33
pabelangerSo, while reading some of the links posted in channel yesterday, I managed to stumble across: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kubecon-brainstorm-2017 Looking at notes dims, ttx, smcginnis attended. I'm curious what the follow up is, if any?  This seems to relate to the Adjacent Technologies section on etherpad for boardnotes and might be something I'd like to contribute more too.15:51
cmurphycdent: I am certainly interested, though not sure how to get started15:57
cdentcmurphy: aye, indeed, there’s the rub. let’s chat about it as the opportunity presents itself. the available levers are unclear.15:58
cmurphycdent: sounds good15:58
dimspabelanger : will you be attending Kubecon/Austin? trying to get some folks together to talk (added you to a thread)16:08
pabelangerdims: I was consider asking management for travel funding for it, but trying to gather information about it first.16:10
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pabelangerdims: but adjacent techs / projects related to OpenStack is something I am interested in helping with16:11
dimspabelanger : if you want me to name one thing that we are blocked on ... it's getting a CI running with both OpenStack and Kubernetes together to test the OpenStack cloud provider. Chris Hoge is making progress on it https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/issues/5224916:14
dimspabelanger : i'll be happy to share what i am personally trying to do there if you have some time16:14
pabelangerdims: sure, that is something I too am directly interested in (CI). And happy to learn more from you and hogepodge16:19
dimspabelanger : perfect! let's shoot for later this week.16:21
pabelangerdims: Great! I'll keep an eye out for your email16:21
smcginnispabelanger: Would be great if you could join us at kubecon.16:24
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cdentwhen/how/why was the sydney hackathon cancelled?16:47
pabelangercdent: fungi mentioned yesterday that a vendor cancelled at the last minute, I haven't heard anything else17:25
cdentaw, bummer17:26
fungithough the last message i got about it before cancellation, along with the registration form, was a bit confusing as it looked like it wasn't really openstack-focused at all17:27
fungithey suggested you pick which paas platform you were going to be using (mentioned openshift and a couple others i'd never heard of)17:28
cdentI often feel like i’m not subscribed to all the mail I should be.17:31
cdentAnd then I look, and I seem to be.17:31
cdentI may  delete too quickly17:31
mugsiecdent: I just filter / file17:32
mugsieI know I will end up searching for this stuff in a years time17:32
cdentmugsie: oh I do a huge amount of filtering17:32
cdentbut once upon a time decide that I was not going to perform the job of archiving mailing lists17:33
mugsieI find it easier to search a local inbox than the web archive unfortuntely17:34
cdentyeah, that’s often true.17:35
fungifound it, was the instructions to hackathon mentor volunteers17:37
fungi"We recommend you familiarise yourself with the three platforms available for the Hackathon. [...] agave, cloudify, openshift"17:38
dhellmanncdent : I have my mailing list folders on fastmail set up to delete messages after some moderate retention period (several months or a year, depending)17:46
cdentthat’s a good idea too, but I mange my time, in large part, based on the messages are in various inboxes, including the mailing lists. If it’s not something I intend to work on, I delete17:47
cdentit’s sort of a way of dealing with noise17:47
cdentit turns out, based on fungi’s memory poke, that I’ve read that “three platforms message”17:48
fungicdent: maybe it wasn't actually supposed to be an openstack-oriented hackathon, and just a "cloud paas hackathon" sponsored by openstack or something17:55
cdentfungi: maybe outreach to app devs, who want to not care about infra, but can be shown by virtue of “it’s on openstack under there”, that openstack has some relevance to them17:58
fungii thought cloud application developers used openstack apis to elastically manage pools of resources, while web application developers used paas18:00
fungibut i should probably refrain from attempting to ascribe any particular focus to arbitrary groups of devs18:01
fungiand maybe the goal at this (early?) stage is to attempt to attract web application developers and later mold them into cloud application developers?18:02
pabelangeryah, I didn't look too much into it myself. But it seemed like a good idea.18:25
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openstackgerritTelles Mota Vidal Nóbrega proposed openstack/governance master: Marking Sahara policy in code goal as done  https://review.openstack.org/51442219:33
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fungiwell, i discovered after volunteering to work it that 1. i know nothing about paas, and 2. they wanted all mentors to attend teh awards ceremony which conflicted with the board/tc meeting20:08
fungiso i guess i got off easy20:08
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diablo_rojoI would love some more submissions for the Community Contributor Awards, if you know of anyone in the community that could use a little extra recognition submit them here https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/cca_nominations_syd20:44
flwangdiablo_rojo: thanks for highlight it, I almost has forgot we have this award20:51
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diablo_rojoflwang, no problem :)21:10
harlowjalol, thanks cdent :)21:30
harlowja`I wonder what next week will bring?`21:30
harlowjaone never knows!21:30
* harlowja not even me, lol21:31
harlowja(it's how i roll)21:31
zanebfungi: it turns out that the only thing you can really do with most OpenStack clouds is either (a) treat it like a VPS - i.e. just a way to get a VM or (b) run a PaaS on it that doesn't need any particular integration with the underlying infrastructure, because it's designed to run anywhere21:37
fungizaneb: interesting. i wonder which of those categories you'd slot nodepool into21:38
zanebalso, to be fair there's basically zero overlap between apps that need elastically managed pools of resources and apps that you're going to build over a weekend and throw away - there's no points for scalability or reliability21:38
fungibut yeah, point taken on elastic applications not being trivial use cases21:39
zanebwe should do a hackathon where all of the contestants build 'hello world', but at the end we throw a chaos monkey at it and test their uptime :D21:39
fungimore trying to figure out what the point was for openstack hosting a hackathon judging your use of not-openstack software21:39
fungii mean, i get that showcasing using clouds and free software is a valuable use of our resources, and helps support projects who are adjacent/consumers of what we produce, fosters good will, et cetera21:40
fungiso if that's the reason, kudos from me21:40
fungijust also not something i'm personally going to be very useful as a mentor on21:41
fungisince i have almost no depth of knowledge on that space21:42
zanebnodepool I assume manages by either implementing a bunch of stuff that clouds are supposed to do for you (because it has the economy of scale to do so) or getting away without it because the stuff it manages is so short-lived and (individually) non-critical21:42
harlowjai can build a hello world app backed by zookeeper/etcd that will survive some variation of chaos monkey :-P21:42
harlowjait will be the most tremendous hello world, ha21:43
fungizaneb: well, nodepool is at its core a framework for preparing compute resources in large batches across an arbitrary number of providers based on a set of parameters, so could be seen as something clouds should provide but fail to21:43
zanebfungi: yeah, I agree. I also find it strange when you go to a Summit talk and somebody talks for 40 minutes without mentioning OpenStack, and then at the end you ask why they're here and they say "oh, because we run cloud foundry on OpenStack"21:44
fungiheh, yep21:44
zaneband by 'strange' I mean 'infuriating'21:44
fungizaneb: all the better when it's a keynote21:44
fungifrom a prominent member company of the foundation21:45
fungibonus points if given by a board member21:45
SamYapleare you guys telling me you didnt like the kubernetes summit in boston?21:47
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fungii could hardly contain myself21:50
zanebharlowja: I hereby challenge you to build the chaos-monkey-proof OpenStack-native Hello World application and release it as a tutorial for OpenStack users :)21:54
zanebseriously, that would be a *fantastic* resource21:55
harlowjaneither zookeeper or etcd would be 'OpenStack-native'22:20
harlowjaif that's fine, that's good, ha22:20
SamYapleharlowja: gotta use heat auto scaling22:26
harlowjathere u go, ha22:27
harlowjaadd some ansible around that (to setup zookeeper, and then deploy that ^ )22:29
harlowjabut then, guess what, not really to much involving openstack (besides for vms)22:29
SamYaplethe challenge was openstack native!22:29
harlowjasee, why22:29
SamYapleidk. i didnt make the challenge :)22:29
harlowjadoes openstack have a etcd|zookeeeper 'native' equivalent to implement said election thing (i assumed a requirement was to have only one process saying 'hello world')22:30
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SamYapleharlowja: active-active HA is a thing. i dont see what one process would be a requirement22:38
harlowjaweirdest hello world app ever22:38
SamYapleheat: spin up database ha cluster, spin up standalone application nodes that talk to database to retrive string ("hello world") and print it so thy aer in sync. neutron lbaasv2 in front of all that. chaos monkey can kill any one component underneath without issue22:40
SamYapleheat autoscaling can help with the other scaling bits22:40
SamYapleall native openstack22:40
harlowjarequires a database :(22:41
SamYapleidk i was just making it complicated22:41
harlowjau have won the challenge!22:41
SamYapleno no, the challenge was go *write* that. i leave it in your hands lol22:42
SamYapleive got stuff im doing22:42
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