Tuesday, 2019-09-17

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dkushwaha#startmeeting tacker08:12
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 17 08:12:31 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dkushwaha. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:12
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:12
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dkushwaha#topic Roll Call08:12
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nitinuikeyHi08:13
tpatil Hi08:13
hyunsikyanghi08:13
dkushwahahi all08:14
joxyukihello08:15
dkushwaha#chair joxyuki08:15
openstackCurrent chairs: dkushwaha joxyuki08:15
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dkushwaha#topic announcement08:16
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dkushwahaTacker-client and Tacker horizon code is released.08:16
dkushwaha#link https://releases.openstack.org/train/index.html08:17
dkushwahaRC1 target week is Sep23 - Sep27. So we have time to release server code before that.08:18
dkushwahaI have no topic for discussion08:19
nitinuikeyRegarding vnf packages RestFul APIs - we have responded to all the review comments08:19
dkushwaha#topic Open Discussion08:19
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tpatil#link : https://review.opendev.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tacker+branch:master+topic:bp/tosca-csar-mgmt-driver08:20
tpatilWe have uploaded all patches to implement bp/tosca-csar-mgmt-driver spec08:20
tpatilTosca-parser and tackerclient patches are already merged08:21
dkushwahanitinuikey, tpatil  yes, thanks for update. currently I am reviewing those patches, and hopefully will finish my review by today itself.08:21
tpatildkushwaha: Thanks. I have also sent an email for feature freeze exception for this spec.08:22
tpatilIf there are any comments on the patches, we will fix it immediately so that we can merge this feature in this cycle08:22
dkushwahai have seen there is already +2 form Phuoc and joxyuki . So hopefully we will merge it soon08:23
tpatildkushwaha: Thanks08:23
hyunsikyangto merge implementation for train, do it finish before RC1?08:26
dkushwahahyunsikyang, yes, that is the deadline to release, otherwise we will be forced for auto-release08:27
dkushwahaand openstack release team auto cut the branch08:27
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hyunsikyangok. I didn't think about it for my two implementation..08:28
hyunsikyangIf I can't finish it, it should move to next release...08:29
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dkushwaha_sorry, i got disconnected08:30
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hyunsikyanghis internet condition is not good now...:(08:32
dkushwaha_hyunsikyang, looks so08:33
dkushwaha_hyunsikyang, btw, thanks for update for your both implementation. As it not finished, so IMO we can plan it in next cycle08:34
hyunsikyangthanks:)08:35
dkushwaha_Do we have anything else to discuss? otherwise we can close this meeting08:36
hyunsikyangok thanks:)08:36
nitinuikeydkushwaha_ No questions from my side08:37
dkushwaha_ok08:37
dkushwaha_Thanks Folks.08:37
dkushwaha_Closing this meeting08:37
dkushwaha_#endmeeting08:37
tpatilThank you, all08:37
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* haleyb wonders if anyone is here for OVN convergence meeting14:01
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tidwellrhaleyb: yes, running a little late14:09
haleybhi, it's just me and you anyways14:09
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haleyb#startmeeting networking-ovn14:10
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 17 14:10:19 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is haleyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:10
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:10
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking_ovn'14:10
haleyb#chair tidwellr14:10
openstackCurrent chairs: haleyb tidwellr14:10
haleyb#topic Announcements14:10
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haleybFirst announcement is it's been too long between meetings, my fault for taking summer vacations14:11
tidwellrit was a busy summer for me too, not much productivity for me14:12
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haleybSecond is I changed this meeting to bi-weekly from quad-weekly, to make sure we get some planning done14:12
tidwellr+1 especially with the PTG coming up14:13
haleybThere is a discussion topic on this for the PTG as well, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-shanghai-forum-brainstorming14:13
haleybhopefully we can loop you in remotely somehow14:14
haleybthat's all i had for announcements14:15
tidwellrmlavalle and liuyulong were experimenting with some options, I don't know they have any results yet14:15
haleyboptions for convergence?14:16
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tidwellrremote options for people who can't attend the PTG in person14:17
haleybah, yes14:17
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haleybtime difference will be an issue of course14:17
haleyb#topic ML2-OVS-DVR/OVN convergence14:18
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haleybtidwellr: thanks for updating the spec, i agree with your addition of moving the networking-ovn code into the neutron tree14:19
tidwellrI know networking-ovn is quite an active project and part of the argument for the stadium is to decouple from the main repo, but I think it will evolve faster in the neutron tree14:20
haleybyes, agreed14:22
tidwellrthe barrier to entry for folks like me to start pitching will be lowered too (not that it's that high right now)14:22
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haleybyes, hopefully moving it in-tree will make it easier for others to play with, since it should involve making it easier to choose for devstack imo14:24
tidwellrI've lost track of where we're at with feature gap analysis in the spec, is that complete?14:25
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haleybwe might have closed the gap by one item, was just looking.  ICMP frag needed is now supported14:26
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tidwellr\o/14:27
haleybOne of the things we discuss in the spec is what to do about extensions, for example, dvr and ha14:28
tidwellryes14:28
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haleybi had started playing with a hack, having the ovn code fake support for router options14:29
tidwellrread-only support? or does it go deeper?14:29
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haleybbut dalvarez brought up a point - why are we doing that?  maybe it's a good chance to shrink the list of options we need when moving to OVN14:30
haleybtidwellr: the hack was just always setting 'distributed' and 'ha' to True in the router object and DB14:30
haleybit isn't working yet, but things like this are admin-only options anyways14:31
tidwellrI had the same thought as dalvarez too, we get the equivalent functionality in the data plane without the API extension that is only for admin's anyway14:31
haleybhttps://review.opendev.org/#/c/680749/14:32
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haleybit was something i started looking at based on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/670291/14:33
tidwellrthose test results are instructive....14:34
tidwellrvery nice14:34
haleybyes, it shows the gap pretty well.  how best do we not lose test coverage based on an extension not being present?14:37
haleybthat was what i started poking at14:37
haleybor maybe the test doesn't matter any more w/ovn in some cases14:37
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tidwellrwhat I tried to say in the spec is that 1-1 parity for API extensions, etc. is not strictly required as long as there is equivalent functionality when you take a step back14:39
tidwellrnot sure if that came through clearly, so I'll re-spin the spec14:40
haleybtidwellr: right, and i maybe missed that14:40
haleybi'll add a comment too14:41
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haleybtidwellr: and i think after another update we should get that spec merged and move forward with the work14:43
tidwellragreed, I'm biased but I am also happy with where it's at14:44
haleybbecause the next step is to write a spec/blueprint on doing the work - eg moving networking-ovn code into the neutron repo14:46
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haleybtidwellr: so did you want to update the patch?14:49
tidwellryes, I'll give it one more spin and it should be ready to go14:50
haleybgreat, thanks14:50
haleybso once we merge that we can move forward.  one thing is to better publicize our plan, although anyone lurking here can read the spec :)14:51
tidwellryeah, I hope this is a forum topic in Shanghai14:52
tidwellrto me this has the biggest potential for impact on operators of all the topics proposed14:52
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haleybtidwellr: yes, both the upgrade impact and new tech (if they are changing drivers)14:55
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haleybbut it should remove the pain point of processing at scale, for example an l3-agent restart takes too long today14:56
haleybwe're out of time14:59
haleybtidwellr: thanks for attending.  when we merge spec we'll send an email to the list about it, and mention this meeting again so people add it to their calendars for next time :)14:59
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haleyb#endmeeting15:00
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Sep 17 15:00:01 2019 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:00
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tidwellrhaleyb: sounds good, bye15:00
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slaweq#startmeeting neutron_ci16:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 17 16:00:23 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
slaweqhi16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci'16:00
ralonsohhi16:00
njohnstono/16:01
slaweqlets wait 1 or 2 minutes for others16:01
slaweqI just pinged people on neutron channel16:01
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mlavalleo/16:03
slaweqok, lets start16:03
slaweqfirst thing16:03
haleybhi16:03
slaweqGrafana dashboard: http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate16:04
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slaweqplease open it now to give it time to load16:04
slaweq#topic Actions from previous meetings16:04
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slaweqmlavalle to continue investigating router migrations issue16:04
mlavalleI submitted a new revision to patch with log statements16:04
mlavalleI haven't hit the failure so far16:05
mlavalleso rechecking until I hit it16:05
slaweqlets hope it will fail fast :)16:05
mlavalleyeap, lol16:06
slaweq#action mlavalle to continue investigating router migrations issue16:06
slaweqlets check next week than16:06
slaweqok, next one16:06
slaweqralonsoh to report bug and check issue with ovsdb errors in functional tests16:06
ralonsohslaweq, the problem was not related to ovsdb16:06
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ralonsohbut I dont; find now the real bug16:06
ralonsohralonsoh, I now I filled it16:07
ralonsohslaweq, give me some time, please continue16:07
slaweqok :)16:07
slaweqthat's all from last week (not too much this time)16:07
slaweqnext topic than16:07
slaweq#topic Stadium projects16:08
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slaweqabout python3 we already talked on yesterday's neutron meeting16:08
slaweqto sumup, we still have few projects to finish16:08
slaweqas a reminder: Stadium projects etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron_stadium_python3_status16:08
slaweqany updates from the team about python3 ?16:09
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njohnstonNothing from me16:10
slaweqok, so next topic related to stadium16:11
ralonsohcan I interrupt?16:11
slaweqtempest-plugins migration16:11
slaweqsure ralonsoh16:11
ralonsohabout the previous CI issue16:11
ralonsohit wasn't the ovsdb, but the namespaces creation/deletion and the ip_lib16:11
slaweqagain?16:11
bcafarelo/ late hi (again, sorry)16:11
ralonsohwith https://review.opendev.org/#/c/679428/ we'll see how the CI gets better16:11
ralonsohthat's all16:12
ralonsohthanks16:12
slaweqok, this patch was merged fed days ago, so it should be better now probably16:12
slaweqralonsoh: will You propose backports of this patch maybe? or stable branches don't need it?16:12
ralonsohslaweq, I'll check this now16:13
slaweqralonsoh: thx a lot16:13
bcafarelI'll keep an eye on these backports :)16:13
slaweq#action ralonsoh to check if https://review.opendev.org/#/c/679428/ should be backported to stable branches16:14
ralonsohslaweq, no, not needed16:14
slaweqahh, that was fast :)16:14
slaweqthx ralonsoh16:14
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slaweqok, going back to tempest-plugins migration16:15
slaweqEtherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron_stadium_move_to_tempest_plugin_repo16:15
slaweqneutron-dynamic-routing - patch ready for review https://review.opendev.org/#/c/65209916:15
slaweqtidwellr: thx a lot for work on this16:15
mlavalleI'll do my best to finish vpn over the next few days16:15
slaweqmlavalle: thx16:15
slaweqthan we should be done I hope16:15
slaweqok, so I think we can move on16:16
slaweq#topic Grafana16:16
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slaweq#link http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate16:17
slaweqafter few weeks of very bad CI I think we are getting back to business finally16:18
slaweqat least most urgent issues are fixed or workarounded16:18
slaweqIt seems that rally is going back - we should probably switch it to be voting again this week16:19
slaweqI will take a look at it for few days and will propose patch to make it voting again16:19
njohnstonyes, to me the biggest ongoing negative that stands out is the consistent 20% failure rate on neutron-tempest-plugin-scenario-openvswitch16:19
njohnstonthat that's not bad16:20
slaweqnjohnston: yes, this one is failing quite often16:21
slaweqand unfortunatelly I didn't saw one common reason of those failures16:21
slaweqmany random tests AFAICT16:22
njohnstonI agree, that is what I saw as well16:22
slaweqI will try to spent some more time on checking those failures more carefuly now16:22
slaweqbut speaking about this job I have one failing test which failed couple of times16:23
slaweq:)16:23
slaweqdo we want to talk about something else related to grafana or can we move to next topic and talk about scenario jobs than?16:23
njohnstongo ahead16:24
mlavallelet's move on16:24
slaweqok16:24
slaweq#topic Tempest/Scenario16:24
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slaweqso, as I said, I found at least 3 times failed neutron_tempest_plugin.scenario.test_qos.QoSTest.test_qos_basic_and_update16:24
slaweqin different jobs but failures looks similar16:24
slaweq    https://9a0240ca9f61a595b570-86672578d4e6ceb498f2d932b0da6815.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/633871/20/check/neutron-tempest-plugin-scenario-openvswitch/772f7a4/testr_results.html.gz16:25
slaweq    https://1fd93ff32a555bc48a73-5fe9d093373d887f2b09d5c4b981e1db.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/652099/34/check/neutron-tempest-plugin-scenario-openvswitch-rocky/4897a52/testr_results.html.gz16:25
slaweq    https://openstack.fortnebula.com:13808/v1/AUTH_e8fd161dc34c421a979a9e6421f823e9/zuul_opendev_logs_cf0/679510/1/check/neutron-tempest-plugin-scenario-openvswitch/cf055c6/testr_results.html.gz16:25
slaweqohh, even not16:25
slaweqall in openvswitch job :)16:25
slaweqbut once in rocky16:25
ralonsohslaweq, maybe (maybe) we are hitting the max BW in the CI system16:27
ralonsohit's testing:16:27
ralonsohport=self.NC_PORT, expected_bw=QoSTest.LIMIT_BYTES_SEC * 3)16:27
ralonsohthat means, this is testing BW*316:27
slaweqralonsoh: but e.g. in https://openstack.fortnebula.com:13808/v1/AUTH_e8fd161dc34c421a979a9e6421f823e9/zuul_opendev_logs_cf0/679510/1/check/neutron-tempest-plugin-scenario-openvswitch/cf055c6/testr_results.html.gz it failed on _create_file_for_bw_tests()16:27
slaweqand job is singlenode16:27
ralonsohyes, not this one16:27
slaweqso all this traffic is only on one vm16:28
slaweqone host16:28
slaweqI don't think it's like we are hitting any limit16:28
ralonsohslaweq, let me review this again16:28
ralonsohI submitted a patch I5ce1a34f7d5d635002baa1e5b14c288e6d2bc43e some weeks ago for this16:29
slaweqralonsoh: look at those 2 lines:16:29
slaweq2019-09-12 23:01:40,063 3293 INFO     [tempest.lib.common.ssh] ssh connection to cirros@172.24.5.18 successfully created16:29
slaweq2019-09-12 23:17:26,625 3293 ERROR    [paramiko.transport] Socket exception: Connection timed out (110)16:29
slaweqit waited 16 minutes there16:29
slaweqand there is nothing between, those are 2 lines one after another in log from this test16:29
ralonsohthis command is just creating an empty file in the VM16:30
slaweqin another of those failed tests:16:30
slaweq2019-09-17 06:18:59,385 627 DEBUG    [tempest.lib.common.rest_client] Request - Headers: {'Content-Type': 'application/json', 'Accept': 'application/json', 'X-Auth-Token': '<omitted>'}16:30
slaweq        Body: {"bandwidth_limit_rule": {"max_kbps": 3000, "max_burst_kbps": 3000}}16:30
slaweq    Response - Headers: {'content-type': 'application/json', 'content-length': '137', 'x-openstack-request-id': 'req-c94e94c1-fb8b-4ef4-b107-e7e9d0a2cf44', 'date': 'Tue, 17 Sep 2019 06:18:59 GMT', 'connection': 'close', 'status': '200', 'content-location': 'http://10.209.96.230:9696/v2.0/qos/policies/43a40f58-3685-4b92-969b-f8ba7e3c7fad/bandwidth_limit_rules/f320a803-bb1f-4f85-89c8-38888dc5805d'}16:30
slaweq        Body: b'{"bandwidth_limit_rule": {"max_kbps": 3000, "max_burst_kbps": 3000, "direction": "egress", "id": "f320a803-bb1f-4f85-89c8-38888dc5805d"}}'16:30
slaweq2019-09-17 06:34:47,297 627 ERROR    [paramiko.transport] Socket exception: Connection timed out (110)16:30
slaweqsimilar nothing for 16 minutes and time out16:30
slaweqanyone got cycles to investigate on this?16:31
ralonsohok, we can reduce the ssh connection timeout16:31
ralonsohI can try it16:31
slaweqthx ralonsoh16:31
slaweqwill You report a bug or should I?16:31
ralonsohslaweq, I'll do it16:32
slaweqthx16:32
slaweq#action ralonsoh to report bug and investigate issue with neutron_tempest_plugin.scenario.test_qos.QoSTest.test_qos_basic_and_update16:32
slaweqanother problem which I see from time to time in various jobs is issue with 'Multiple possible networks found, use a Network ID to be more specific.'16:33
slaweqlike https://58a87e825b9766115d07-cec36eea8e90c9127fc5a72b798cfeab.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/670177/9/check/networking-ovn-tempest-dsvm-ovs-release/b58638a/testr_results.html.gz16:33
ralonsohI can take this one too16:33
slaweqI think we should check tempest code and make sure that if it spawns instances, it always explicity choose network16:33
slaweqralonsoh: do You have cycles for that too?16:34
ralonsohyes16:34
slaweqWe don't want to overload You :)16:34
ralonsohnp16:34
slaweqgreat, thx16:34
slaweqralonsoh: I think we should also report bug for that, but maybe agains tempest16:34
ralonsohfor sure16:34
slaweqwill You do it?16:34
ralonsohyes16:35
slaweqthx16:35
slaweq#action ralonsoh to report bug with "Multiple possible networks found"16:35
slaweqthat's all what I have regarding scenario jobs for today16:35
slaweqanything else You want to add here?16:35
mlavalleI got nothing16:37
slaweqok, lets move on16:37
slaweq#topic fullstack/functional16:37
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slaweqfor functional tests I found one new issue:16:38
slaweqin neutron.tests.functional.agent.linux.test_l3_tc_lib.TcLibTestCase.test_clear_all_filters16:38
slaweqhttps://openstack.fortnebula.com:13808/v1/AUTH_e8fd161dc34c421a979a9e6421f823e9/zuul_opendev_logs_eff/682391/1/check/neutron-functional-python27/eff0cab/controller/logs/dsvm-functional-logs/neutron.tests.functional.agent.linux.test_l3_tc_lib.TcLibTestCase.test_clear_all_filters.txt.gz16:38
slaweqYou can see there AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'content_type'16:38
slaweqand it was on patch totally not related to this part of code16:39
slaweqbut I saw it only once so far16:39
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slaweqany ideas what could be the root cause?16:40
ralonsohis this a testresult lib error?16:41
slaweqhmm16:41
ralonsohtesttools16:41
slaweqit seems so16:41
ralonsohwe can keep this log but I wouldn't spend too much time on this one16:42
slaweqmaybe let's just be aware of it and check if it will not happend again (too often :P)16:42
ralonsohsure16:42
slaweqok for everyone?16:42
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ralonsohyes16:43
slaweqthx16:43
njohnston+116:43
slaweqI have also one "new" fullstack issue16:43
slaweqhttps://storage.gra1.cloud.ovh.net/v1/AUTH_dcaab5e32b234d56b626f72581e3644c/zuul_opendev_logs_847/681893/1/gate/neutron-fullstack/847f4d9/testr_results.html.gz16:43
slaweqbut also found it only once16:43
ralonsohsame here, to the locker until we hit another one (but this one is more important)16:44
slaweqralonsoh: but here in ovs agent logs https://storage.gra1.cloud.ovh.net/v1/AUTH_dcaab5e32b234d56b626f72581e3644c/zuul_opendev_logs_847/681893/1/gate/neutron-fullstack/847f4d9/controller/logs/dsvm-fullstack-logs/TestMinBwQoSOvs.test_bw_limit_qos_port_removed_egress_/neutron-openvswitch-agent--2019-09-17--05-35-29-575569_log.txt.gz16:45
slaweqthere is error: RuntimeError: OVSDB Error: {"details":"cannot delete Queue row a1470780-1834-48d9-afd0-6fe41fcbb027 because of 1 remaining reference(s)","error":"referential integrity violation"}16:45
slaweqdoes it rings a bell for You maybe?16:45
ralonsohyes and no16:45
ralonsohthat was solved16:45
mlavallelol16:45
ralonsohyou can't delete a queue if it's assigned to a qos register16:46
slaweqralonsoh: but it happend on this patch https://review.opendev.org/#/c/68189316:46
ralonsohsame topology as in neutron DB16:46
slaweqwhich is from this week16:46
ralonsohI know, I know16:46
slaweqso maybe some regression, or corner case which wasn't addressed?16:46
ralonsohand this change is not related to qos16:46
ralonsohcorner case16:46
slaweqnope, it is only zuul config change16:47
ralonsohthe point is this test is actually testing that a qos rule (and correspoding queues) are removed16:47
slaweqralonsoh: do You want me to report this bug in LP?16:47
ralonsohyes, please16:47
ralonsohI'll take a look at this one but maybe not this week16:48
slaweqok, I will report it and we can track it there16:48
ralonsohping me with the LP ID16:48
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slaweq#action slaweq to report bug with fullstack test_bw_limit_qos_port_removed test16:48
slaweqralonsoh: sure16:48
slaweqok, that's all about functional and fullstack jobs what I have for You today16:49
slaweqanything else You want to add?16:49
slaweqok, if not lets move on16:50
slaweqI checked periodic jobs today and all of them works really good recently16:50
mlavallegreat!16:50
slaweqso we are good with periodic16:51
slaweqand that's all from what I have for today16:51
slaweqdo You want to talk about anything else related to CI today?16:51
slaweqif not we can finish earlier :)16:51
mlavallelet's do it16:51
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slaweqby "it" You mean "finish earlier" right?16:52
slaweq:D16:52
mlavalleyeap16:52
slaweqok, thx for attending16:52
slaweqo/16:52
njohnstono/16:52
ralonsohbye!16:52
slaweq#endmeeting16:52
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AJaeger#endmeeting18:39
AJaegermmh, tacker have used a different nick for startmeeting and endmeeting - is there anything that needs to be done here?18:40
AJaegerno - just the normal topic broken ;(18:41
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clarkbhello19:00
clarkbanyone else here for the meeting?19:00
AJaegero/19:00
clarkbI thoguht I was going to have time to finish my meeting prep then ran into more visa stuff19:00
Shrewsclarkb: that sounds not fun19:01
clarkbShrews: they've just asked for additional documents19:01
clarkb#startmeeting infra19:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 17 19:01:32 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'infra'19:01
ianwo/19:01
clarkb#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2019-September/006479.html Our Agenda19:01
clarkb#topic Announcements19:03
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* corvus sneaks in late19:04
clarkbI'll be traveling starting on Friday. Will likely need someone to chair the meeting next week as I'll be doing zuul stuff on ansiblefest19:04
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fungii'll be there too so not me either19:06
fungisame probably for corvus and mordred?19:06
fungimight also just be that there are so many infra folks at ansiblefest that the need for a meeting next week is reduced19:06
AJaegermeet in real life instead ;)19:07
clarkbya could be that cancelling makes sense too. I'll leave that up to those that will be around (ianw frickler AJaeger?)19:07
ianwprobably cancel if so many away i'd say19:07
AJaegeragreed19:08
corvusye19:08
corvusyep19:08
clarkb#agreed Cancel the meeting on September 2419:09
clarkbthat may not be a meetbot directive, oh well19:09
clarkb#topic Actions from last meeting19:10
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clarkb#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2019/infra.2019-09-10-19.01.txt Meeting notes from last meeting19:10
clarkbI didn't mark this as an action btu I took an action to draft up opendev governance email on etherpad. I have not done this yet19:10
clarkb$topic Specs Approval19:13
clarkb#topic Specs Approval19:13
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clarkbquick mention here that we are getting some interest in the zuulv3 for third party ci spec19:13
clarkbianw: rajinir was aksing about it earlier today19:14
fungiinterest from operators in seeing someone do it, but so far no interest in volunteering to do it from what i've seen19:14
clarkbright19:15
ianwpabelanger mentioned some more windmill documentation, not sure if that happened as yet19:15
clarkbmostly just calling it out as we might be able to convert some of the interset into volunteers19:15
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clarkb#topic Priority Efforts19:17
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clarkb#topic OpenDev19:17
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clarkbWe renamed kayobe* and ansible-role-cloud-launcher projects in opendev yseterday19:17
AJaegerall looks fine, Zuul config errors have been fixed19:18
clarkbthat seemed to go well. The one outstanding item from that is we need to fix the rename playbook to deal with creating new orgs if the renames are to an org that does not exist yet19:18
fungiit went remarkably well, yeah19:18
clarkbif this sounds familiar to you it is because we already fixed this once, but then the rewrite of gitea org management into python deleted teh tasks file we were using in the rename playbook19:18
corvuswe can probably just undelete that file?19:18
clarkbcorvus: ya that is one option. It won't be tested by normal new project creation but we don't create new orgs often anyway19:19
clarkband we shouldn't care too much about the performance impact in the case of renaming projects19:19
fungiyeah, takes however long it takes19:19
clarkbI can push that chagne up after the meeting19:20
corvuscause i think the project creation module is sort of optimized for what it does; it may be difficult to convince it to just create an org19:20
clarkbcorvus: ya19:20
clarkbthe other opendev item which fungi brought up in the infar channel just a little while ago is managing gpg signing keys for openstack releases19:22
fungiyeah, we're coming up on time to generate another one19:22
clarkbfungi: since my original thought of have the ptl create the key and sign it and have others attest to it another idea (more effort on our side) is to use one of those signing service tools like what LF uses19:22
fungisigning service tools?19:23
fungilike a third-party signatory?19:23
clarkbya let me try and find the details on that, but basically a server that fronts the keys and signing for you19:23
clarkbthen you make api requests to sign blobs or generate keys etc19:23
fungibut still needs someone to generate/rotate the keys19:23
clarkbI think the tool can do htat for you19:23
fungiso like barbican with a hsm?19:24
fungii mean, we could probably just stand up a barbican instance in that case19:24
clarkband the added api to sign blobs too19:24
clarkbhttps://docs.releng.linuxfoundation.org/en/latest/index.html is where I expected to find this info but not seeing it there19:25
fungiwell, in the short term, i mainly wanted to know if we wanted to make any adjustments to the key data since any major undertaking is going to require more time than the current train cycle openstack release signing key is valid19:26
clarkbanyway can figure that out later if it is a path we want to take19:26
clarkbfungi: in the short term I think the existing process is fine19:26
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fungilike using a different e-mail address than the current infra-root alias19:27
fungior switcning to per-year instead of tied to openstack release cycles19:27
fungiusing a more opendev-oriented key name19:27
fungithat sort of thing19:27
clarkbI don't think we should use an opendev oriented key name unless we want opendev to attest all the releases.19:27
corvusyeah, at a minimum, if we keep the approximate current system, i think yearly opendev keys would be the way to go19:27
fungiit's been used to sign non-openstack release artifacts too, which is why i wondered19:28
corvusclarkb: well, aiui, we're attesting that opendev's ci system built this artifact?19:28
clarkbcorvus: that is a good point19:28
fungilike, zuul packages have detached signatures for this key19:28
clarkbfungi: ah I didn't realize that19:28
fungichanging the e-mail address might be tough to work out quickly if we want an opendev.org address, since we don't currently have an mta accepting e-mail for that domain and would want it to double as a valid contact address19:29
fungibut we might be able to get some basic solution in place if that's desired, or could probably easily target the following rotation for something like that19:30
corvusi'd be okay targeting the following rotation19:30
fungiokay, i'll start figuring out what we want to talk through for a working opendev.org contact address in the coming months, in that case19:31
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AJaegerthanks, fungi !19:32
fungiand we can just stick with the openstack/cycle-based key name for this time through19:32
fungi"OpenStack Infra (Ussuri Cycle)"19:32
clarkbfungi: sounds good, thanks19:33
fungiis the uid we'd be using19:33
fungithanks everyone!19:33
clarkb#topic Update Config Management19:34
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clarkbcorvus: do you think you can proxy the updates on gerrit dockerization for mordred ?19:35
clarkbaiui bazel updated and we need to update bazel to match?19:35
corvussomewhat yes19:35
corvusbazel had a security issue, so gerrit updated its dependencies to require a fixed version19:36
corvusthat was initially a 1.0 rc, but mordred and i found that they also cut a 0.29.1 release with the fix, so we're converging on that19:36
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corvusour dockerfiles temporarily overwrite gerrit's dependency to that, while we wait for gerrit to finish merging the patches which update it upstream19:37
corvusthat's almost done (or maybe done?  haven't checked today) so should be back to normal soon19:37
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corvusotherwise, i think mordred is proceeding with the general task of "make gerrit images that work for us in our setup"19:37
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corvus[end]19:38
clarkbthanks19:38
clarkbany other items related to docker or ansible in our config management?19:38
corvusoh look https://review.opendev.org/682469 is green so i think it's all done19:39
corvus(that's a self-testing change of the removal of our local version hack)19:39
clarkbyay for removing hacks19:40
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clarkb#topic General Topics19:41
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clarkbfungi: any progress on the wiki?19:41
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funginope19:41
clarkbAJaeger: has been pushing on udpates to publishing jobs that I believe are related to the static server cleanups19:42
AJaegeryes, going to promote jobs will make going to AFS easier IMHO19:42
clarkb#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/static-services Still need volunteers there19:43
clarkbunfortunately I feel like I've been chasing fires around openstack release and other commitments (like the renames and ansiblefest) lately19:43
clarkbhopefully I'll be able to sign up for stuff and of next week with all of that behind me/us19:43
AJaegerianw: did you make progress on how the layout in AFS should be for the sites?19:44
ianwAJaeger: sorry, haven't looped back on that yet19:44
* AJaeger pushed some first changes and that showed that ianw and myself had different ideas...19:44
AJaegerhappy to adjust if I know how ;)19:44
corvusvery little infra-root help is needed for this, right?19:45
corvusso we could be getting help from the maintainers of the relevant governace, security, service-types, releases projects, right?19:46
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clarkbI think we may need to create an new afs volumes but other than that it should all be driven by config management19:46
ianwwe just need to decide what volumes things go into, and if required create them19:46
corvuswe can do that en-masse too19:46
corvusis it worth letting the tc know that there's some infrastructure maintenance we need the projects' help on?19:47
AJaegerand then update jobs, and copy from old site to new and publish (or run old and new jobs in parallel)19:47
clarkbcertainly can't hurt to tell them19:47
corvusor would we rather just do this ourselves?19:47
fungiseems reasonable19:47
AJaegerI don't think we need to touch any repos besides infra repos.19:47
AJaegerIf we name the new jobs like the old ones, all is fine...19:48
AJaegerand if we duplicate jobs temporarily, we can add in project-config ;)19:48
corvusmostly i'm thinking this is a pretty clear case of something the contributors to the projects should be interested and involved in19:48
corvusthis isn't "figure out how to run gerrit in docker"19:48
corvusthis is well inside of the wheelhouse of "help maintain your projects deliverables"19:49
fungii guess it's a question of whether we need those projects deciding which repos should publish into separate afs volumes19:49
AJaegercorvus: it's updating the promote job - and very few know anything about that19:49
AJaegerand it's setting up AFS volumes19:49
corvusAJaeger: yeah, let's take the afs volumes out of the conversation.  one of us can make all of them in 30 seconds.19:50
corvusAJaeger: so my remaining question then is: is this something where we should be encouraging more folks to get involved?19:50
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corvusso that more people know how the promote job works :)19:50
fungilike, to take the governance.openstack.org site for an example, openstack/governance, openstack/election, openstack/governance-uc and openstack/governance-sigs all publish into subtrees of it. those could be separate volumes one mounted in each other which release discretely, or could all go into a single volume with a vos release on a cron timer like docs.openstack.org uses19:51
fungifor that matter, if using multiple volumes they wouldn't necessarily have to be nested, apache could map the urls to parallel mounts19:52
AJaegercorvus: I'd love to see that ;)19:52
clarkbAJaeger: corvus in that case I think we should ask the TC nicely19:53
fungiso those could be decisions we make on behalf of the openstack project, or we could ask openstack project leadership to have some liaisons assigned to work with us on redesigning that19:53
clarkband we can work through the volume details when that specific decision needs to be made19:53
corvusand i don't think we have to block on this19:53
clarkbcorvus: meaning upgrade the server in the mean time or?19:54
corvusmaybe ask the tc if they can help come up with some folks to pitch in on this, and if they can't, we do it ourselves19:54
clarkboh I see19:54
clarkbthat wfm19:54
corvusbut if we're going to have an opendev team, we need to make the bench deeper on the openstack-infra team19:55
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clarkb++19:57
clarkbWe are almost at time so really quickly19:57
clarkb#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenDev-Shanghai-PTG-2019 Feel free to add PTG planning stuff there19:57
clarkband I'll give us ~2 minutes for anything else19:58
clarkb#topic Open Discussion19:58
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corvusdoes someone want to volunteer to take that to the tc?19:58
clarkbianw: ^ you may have the best grasp of the work involved since you did the audit. But I can probably manage to bring that up during the next office hours (though I haven't checked when those are)19:59
fungi01:00 utc19:59
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fungi"wednesday" (so your tonight)19:59
fungithough it's ianw's wednesday for sure19:59
ianwhow about i first come up with a lightweight spec to explain what's going on and the rough plan ...19:59
clarkbianw: I think that works since we'll need that documentation anyway20:00
clarkb(to guide volunteers)20:00
clarkband we are at time20:00
clarkbThank you everyone!20:00
fungithere's a more active tc office hour 15:00z thursday20:00
clarkb#endmeeting20:00
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martialFYI: Ceph days at CERN today, a few people are there. We are skipping the Scientific SIG meeting for Today21:12
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