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| efried | #startmeeting nova | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 11 14:01:07 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is efried. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:01 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:01 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:01 |
| gmann | o/ | 14:01 |
| artom | ~o~ | 14:01 |
| stephenfin | o/ | 14:01 |
| alex_xu | \o | 14:01 |
| efried | Sorry folks, I gave myself a cool hour to prep for this, and then got distracted. | 14:01 |
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| efried | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:04 |
| efried | #topic Last meeting | 14:04 |
| efried | #link Minutes from last meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-06-27-14.00.html | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Last meeting (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:04 | |
| efried | #topic Release News | 14:04 |
| efried | #link spec review day Tuesday, July 2nd http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/007381.html | 14:04 |
| efried | Much was accomplished here, but more to do. | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release News (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:04 | |
| efried | I'm not sure if having a focus day is the most effective thing | 14:05 |
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| efried | or if I should just continue maintaining the etherpad and pester people | 14:05 |
| mriedem | i think we have enough to do for train | 14:07 |
| efried | meaning what, we should just abandon all the specs that haven't merged yet? | 14:07 |
| mriedem | no, | 14:08 |
| mriedem | but people can review as they want | 14:08 |
| mriedem | or not, whatever | 14:08 |
| sean-k-mooney | spec freeze is in two weeks right | 14:09 |
| sean-k-mooney | so anything that is not merged by then will be proceduraly -2'd | 14:09 |
| mriedem | and we've already had 3 spec review sprints, which is probably more than any other release | 14:09 |
| sean-k-mooney | there are likely few spec that will still merge before then | 14:09 |
| mriedem | doesn't have to be -2ed | 14:09 |
| mriedem | just gets deferred to U if the author still cares about it | 14:10 |
| sean-k-mooney | sure | 14:10 |
| efried | If there were more overlap among (a) people who can approve specs, (b) people who contribute specs and/or their code, and (c) people who want the proposed features, the "meh, let it happen" approach might work | 14:10 |
| mriedem | i'm not sure what that means | 14:10 |
| sean-k-mooney | efried: well any nova core can approve but not all core want to review specs | 14:11 |
| mriedem | nova-core can approve specs now | 14:11 |
| efried | Maybe I'm being starry-eyed, but we as cores have a responsibility to do *something* with specs that are proposed for the current release. | 14:11 |
| artom | I keep thinking there needs to be some sort of more formal bandwidth limiter for spec approvals, to make sure that there are then code reviewers available | 14:11 |
| artom | But that's neither here nor there | 14:11 |
| sean-k-mooney | we used to do that | 14:12 |
| sean-k-mooney | we had a spec proposal freeze at m1 | 14:12 |
| mriedem | me saying "i don't care about this, so i'm not going to vote on it" is me doing "something" | 14:12 |
| gmann | but how many specs which did not get a single round of review ? | 14:12 |
| efried | If we think we've reached a limit of what the reviewers can handle, despite there being enough contributor bandwidth, then we (cores) need to be able to say "no" on those grounds. | 14:13 |
| sean-k-mooney | i would say that low | 14:13 |
| sean-k-mooney | no reivews | 14:13 |
| sean-k-mooney | but when it happen it general means the propsor did not reach out to people to review or there was a general lack of interest in the feature | 14:13 |
| efried | If we think a thing is good and are willing to review it, we can approve the spec and put the onus on the contributors to make the code happen in a timely enough fashion to facilitate reviews. | 14:13 |
| efried | But it's pretty discouraging for a contributor to propose a thing and get radio silence. | 14:14 |
| mriedem | which specs have had no review in train? | 14:14 |
| efried | I don't know that we have any with zero reviews. I'm saying we're not "on track" to *close* (approve/abandon/defer) on all the specs currently proposed for train without doing some kind of push. | 14:15 |
| sean-k-mooney | well we will defer by default in two weeks | 14:15 |
| sean-k-mooney | its up to the author to decied to abandon or rework for U | 14:16 |
| efried | ...but yes, actually, looking at the | 14:16 |
| efried | #link train specs etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-spec-review-day | 14:16 |
| efried | it appears as though most of the actions on open specs are currently to the authors. | 14:16 |
| sean-k-mooney | if there is no update we can abandon | 14:16 |
| mriedem | we're also probably not on track to close on all already-approved blueprints for train | 14:16 |
| mriedem | or bug fixes | 14:16 |
| mriedem | or non-triaged bugs, | 14:16 |
| mriedem | etc | 14:16 |
| efried | yeah, I get it's not a perfect world. | 14:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | for what its worth there are 32 specs approve already | 14:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | we had 18 last cycle | 14:17 |
| efried | but if something is going to languish, I don't want it to be the "fault" of the core team, for which I as PTL am to some degree responsible. | 14:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | oh i should add implemented | 14:18 |
| sean-k-mooney | so we had 37 last cylce 18 of which were not implemented | 14:18 |
| mriedem | efried: i get that and you're cat herder in chief, | 14:18 |
| mriedem | so if there is a particular set of specs you are worried about, you can ping some cores to review something (again if necessary) | 14:19 |
| mriedem | but those cores should also be able to say, "this isn't my area, or i don't care about this" | 14:19 |
| * bauzas waves super late | 14:20 | |
| efried | if blueprints don't get implemented because the contributor didn't get code proposed on time, or their code was crap, or whatever, that's the way it is. | 14:20 |
| efried | But if contributors did everything right and blueprints didn't get implemented because we ran out of reviewer bandwidth, that seems like it's on us (core team) during the spec part of the cycle to manage our commitment better. | 14:20 |
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| efried | I don't like that we simply accept that there will always be a large percentage of unimplemented blueprints every cycle. | 14:21 |
| mriedem | with half the core team doing <1 review per day, either isn't going to go very well | 14:21 |
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| efried | okay; I'll take mriedem's suggestion, monitor specs individually, ping cores as appropriate. | 14:22 |
| efried | but | 14:22 |
| efried | I also think it would be nice if we could find a way to better understand our ability to get things completed in a cycle and narrow the "unimplemented" gap. | 14:23 |
| mriedem | you wouldn't be the first | 14:23 |
| efried | even (especially) if it's by approving significantly fewer blueprints | 14:23 |
| mriedem | we tried that back in newton | 14:23 |
| gmann | having core taking some set of spec as owner- get code review, ask author if no code. can be good practice and work sharing | 14:23 |
| efried | "spec champion" | 14:24 |
| gmann | yeah kind of | 14:24 |
| sean-k-mooney | efried: isnt that in thory one of the things the bluepirnt approver is ment to do | 14:24 |
| sean-k-mooney | and the spec approvers for that matter | 14:24 |
| efried | right, swhat I'm saying, I think we do a poor job of that. | 14:24 |
| sean-k-mooney | maybe | 14:25 |
| efried | sorry, sean-k-mooney you were talking about the "spec champion" thing, I mean we do a poor job of denying blueprints because of overall load in a release. | 14:25 |
| sean-k-mooney | yes i was | 14:25 |
| efried | but yeah, it wouldn't be unreasonable to hold spec approvers accountable for reviewing the code that comes out of those blueprints. | 14:25 |
| efried | ...if I didn't think that would further discourage people from committing to spec reviews :( | 14:26 |
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| efried | okay, let's move on. | 14:26 |
| efried | but this conversation isn't over. ("Alexa, play ominous music.") | 14:26 |
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| efried | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 14:26 |
| efried | No Critical bugs | 14:26 |
| efried | #link 67 new untriaged bugs (+6 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 14:26 |
| efried | #link 5 untagged untriaged bugs! (+5 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 14:26 |
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| efried | #topic Gate status | 14:27 |
| efried | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 14:27 |
| efried | 3rd party CI | 14:27 |
| efried | #link 3rd party CI status http://ciwatch.mmedvede.net/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 14:27 |
| efried | This ^ is dead, but stay tuned for a replacement | 14:27 |
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| efried | If you watch | 14:28 |
| efried | #link grafana http://grafana.openstack.org/d/rZtIH5Imz/nodepool?orgId=1 | 14:28 |
| efried | you may notice the In Use count climbing above 600 now | 14:28 |
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| efried | a contribution of CI hardware is in process | 14:29 |
| efried | more on that once the dust settles. | 14:29 |
| efried | anything else on bugs or CI? | 14:29 |
| efried | #topic Reminders | 14:30 |
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| efried | any? | 14:30 |
| mriedem | CI related, i'm trying to convert the nova-next job to zuul v3 | 14:30 |
| mriedem | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/670196/ | 14:31 |
| mriedem | not working yet | 14:31 |
| efried | ack | 14:31 |
| artom | Oh, new CI hardware? Do we know if there's going to be multi-node NUMA flavor available? | 14:31 |
| artom | (Sorry for the late jump in, on an internal call at the same time) | 14:31 |
| efried | donnyd: can you answer this ^ ? | 14:31 |
| efried | (I think donnyd is on vacation currently) | 14:32 |
| donnyd | I'm back :) | 14:32 |
| efried | o/ | 14:32 |
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| donnyd | I can make anything available | 14:32 |
| sean-k-mooney | artom: if not we really need to revie the fedora based nfv ci job i was trying to crate | 14:32 |
| donnyd | All of my nodes have 4 sockets, so something like that is totally possible | 14:33 |
| artom | donnyd, whoa. OK, we can take this offline, but you're making me very happy right now. | 14:33 |
| efried | #topic Stable branch status | 14:33 |
| efried | #link stable/stein: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/stein | 14:33 |
| efried | #link stable/rocky: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/rocky | 14:33 |
| efried | #link stable/queens: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/queens | 14:33 |
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| donnyd | Sure thing | 14:33 |
| sean-k-mooney | donnyd: if you have nested vert available it will help us test a lot if you can also provide mulit numa flavors for us to use | 14:33 |
| sean-k-mooney | but yes we can follow up offline | 14:34 |
| donnyd | I can turn on nested virt | 14:34 |
| donnyd | I was told that we currently disable it, but if its needed I don't have any issues with it | 14:34 |
| mriedem | queens was just released | 14:34 |
| efried | #link queens 17.0.11 https://review.opendev.org/669014 | 14:34 |
| mriedem | for nova anyway | 14:34 |
| donnyd | and also my network stack is on vlans, so doing vxlan over top is also not an issue | 14:35 |
| efried | Okay, I guess since donnyd has been officially outed at this point, I will giv a hearty | 14:35 |
| efried | #thanks donnyd for boosting CI hardware resources! | 14:35 |
| mriedem | will likely start the whole release train for stable again in 2 weeks | 14:35 |
| artom | donnyd, what company do you represent? | 14:36 |
| artom | I assume they're not boxes you personally bought in your basement ;) | 14:36 |
| mriedem | intel of course | 14:36 |
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| donnyd | I work at Intel, but this effort is all of mine own. I personally own all the gear | 14:36 |
| efried | so artom, yes, personal in basement :P | 14:37 |
| artom | I'm genuinely not sure if you're serious | 14:37 |
| donnyd | http://project.fortnebula.com/services/ | 14:37 |
| sean-k-mooney | anywya back to the stable topic. mriedem did you do os-vif release or should i look at doing that? | 14:38 |
| mriedem | "I am also an Amateur Radio Operator, my call sign is K0QBU." | 14:38 |
| mriedem | donnyd, meet dansmith | 14:38 |
| donnyd | This has been around for longer than the page indicates... about 5 or so years. Just wen through HW refresh, and has been rebuild for CI workloads.. | 14:38 |
| sean-k-mooney | im not sure if its needed or not but i can see what the delta is since the last relsese | 14:38 |
| mriedem | sean-k-mooney: i didn't do os-vif releases no | 14:38 |
| sean-k-mooney | ok i dont think we have merged much lately on stable but ill take a look | 14:39 |
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| mriedem | did we lose efried? | 14:41 |
| efried | I'm here. Moving on? | 14:41 |
| efried | #topic Sub/related team Highlights | 14:42 |
| efried | Placement (cdent) | 14:42 |
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| efried | I'll stand in I guess. | 14:42 |
| efried | #link latest pupdate http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-July/007543.html | 14:42 |
| efried | We're pretty much "done" for Train, having merged microversions 1.32-6 | 14:43 |
| efried | oh, I guess we still plan to do | 14:44 |
| efried | #link Spec for Consumer Types is merged https://docs.openstack.org/placement/latest/specs/train/approved/2005473-support-consumer-types.html | 14:44 |
| efried | but we've published | 14:44 |
| efried | #link Microversion 1.36 (same_subtree+resourceless) is merged https://docs.openstack.org/placement/latest/placement-api-microversion-history.html#support-same-subtree-queryparam-on-get-allocation-candidates | 14:44 |
| efried | which was the last major piece necessary to start modeling NUMA affinity. | 14:44 |
| efried | I would like to see us at least get started on this in Train | 14:45 |
| bauzas | efried: I'll turn on gears to ^ once nova-manage audit is done | 14:45 |
| efried | which I suppose means someone should propose a late spec. | 14:45 |
| efried | thanks bauzas | 14:45 |
| bauzas | we already have a spec but which needs updates | 14:45 |
| bauzas | anyway, moving on | 14:46 |
| efried | for NUMA topo & affinity in placement? | 14:46 |
| bauzas | correct | 14:46 |
| efried | okay, cool | 14:46 |
| efried | Any questions on the placement side? | 14:46 |
| efried | API (gmann) | 14:46 |
| efried | Updates on ML- #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-July/007667.html | 14:46 |
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| gmann | nothing extra than in ML. few BP code are ready to review and few need another +2 | 14:47 |
| efried | Thanks gmann | 14:47 |
| mriedem | i'd like to call out https://review.opendev.org/#/c/645520/35 | 14:47 |
| mriedem | it's in a runway | 14:47 |
| mriedem | has a +2 | 14:47 |
| mriedem | needs another core | 14:47 |
| mriedem | pretty straight forward | 14:48 |
| gmann | yeah that is good one to get in fast | 14:48 |
| mriedem | it's big b/c all api microversion that have samples are big | 14:48 |
| stephenfin | I can take a look at that now. Been meaning to for a while | 14:48 |
| efried | That one's been on my list for a while too. | 14:48 |
| stephenfin | Dunno if bauzas wants to weigh in first though | 14:48 |
| stephenfin | AZ goodness | 14:48 |
| mriedem | it's not az | 14:49 |
| stephenfin | (or avoidance of same) | 14:49 |
| bauzas | wait what ? | 14:49 |
| bauzas | hah, ack | 14:49 |
| bauzas | will review it | 14:49 |
| efried | wait, melissaml has +1ed it, can't we just proxy that as a +2? | 14:49 |
| artom | oh snap | 14:49 |
| mriedem | anyway i've gone through the whole universe of changes on that one https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:bp/add-host-and-hypervisor-hostname-flag-to-create-server+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 14:50 |
| mriedem | so i'd like to see it move before i'm out next week | 14:50 |
| mriedem | if someone has questions just ask me in -nova | 14:50 |
| efried | cool | 14:50 |
| sean-k-mooney | stephenfin: it allows us to not use the az hack to land a server on a host while runing it fully through the schduler | 14:50 |
| stephenfin | sean-k-mooney: Yup, I've reviewed the docs for same a few times | 14:51 |
| efried | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:51 |
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| efried | any? | 14:51 |
| efried | #topic Review status page | 14:51 |
| efried | #link http://status.openstack.org/reviews/#nova | 14:51 |
| efried | Count: 461 (-3); Top score: 1412 (-113) | 14:51 |
| efried | #help Pick a patch near the top, shepherd it to closure | 14:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review status page (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:51 | |
| efried | #topic Open discussion | 14:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:52 | |
| stephenfin | Just one for mriedem specifically | 14:52 |
| efried | go | 14:52 |
| stephenfin | the -2 from this needs to be dropped https://review.opendev.org/#/c/662501/ | 14:52 |
| stephenfin | It's not valid any, it's been around for a while and I've asked on IRC and in the (following) review to drop it | 14:53 |
| stephenfin | s/valid any/valid/ | 14:53 |
| stephenfin | That is all :) | 14:53 |
| mriedem | i will if i see the ec2 tempest runs passing on the series | 14:53 |
| mriedem | ec2api | 14:53 |
| stephenfin | Kerblam https://review.opendev.org/#/c/663386/ | 14:54 |
| stephenfin | or however that's spelled | 14:54 |
| sean-k-mooney | that didnt run tempest | 14:55 |
| sean-k-mooney | it ran functional tests | 14:55 |
| sean-k-mooney | right? | 14:55 |
| mriedem | the functional job runs tempest | 14:55 |
| mriedem | probably via a hook | 14:55 |
| sean-k-mooney | ah ok | 14:55 |
| mriedem | http://logs.openstack.org/86/663386/5/check/ec2-api-functional-neutron/4c4aff8/logs/testr_results.html.gz | 14:55 |
| mriedem | b/c it's the ec2api tempest plugin | 14:56 |
| mriedem | i can look into it after the meeting | 14:56 |
| stephenfin | ta | 14:57 |
| efried | anything else before we close? | 14:57 |
| efried | Thanks all. | 14:57 |
| efried | o/ | 14:57 |
| efried | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 11 14:57:43 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-07-11-14.01.html | 14:57 |
| sean-k-mooney | o/ | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-07-11-14.01.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-07-11-14.01.log.html | 14:57 |
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| gmann | thanks efried for chair. | 14:57 |
| efried | yahyoubetcha | 14:58 |
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| gagehugo | #startmeeting security | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 11 15:00:37 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 15:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 15:01 |
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| fungi | i added a couple items of possible interest on the agenda | 15:02 |
| gagehugo | awesome | 15:02 |
| gagehugo | #topic Image Encryption popup team meeting | 15:02 |
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| gagehugo | so image encryption meeting Monday @ 1300 UTC | 15:02 |
| gagehugo | oof 8am | 15:03 |
| fungi | for you anyway ;) | 15:04 |
| fungi | (that's 9am for me at the moment) | 15:04 |
| fungi | i also just now (well, in the past hour during the tc meeting) volunteered to be the tc liaison for that popup team | 15:04 |
| fungi | so hopefully i can remember to attend their meetings and keep the security sig abreast of the developments there | 15:05 |
| gagehugo | I'll attempt to attend then as well | 15:05 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-July/007617.html | 15:06 |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Image_Encryption_Popup-Team_Meeting | 15:06 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:07 |
| gagehugo | #topic Syntribos may still be in use? | 15:08 |
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| gagehugo | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/670048/ | 15:09 |
| gagehugo | zte using it hmm | 15:09 |
| fungi | yeah, saw that "Fix client argument for neutronclient" change announced by gerritbot in #openstack-security and thought maybe there are still users after all, enough that they want to try and help fix problems on it still | 15:10 |
| gagehugo | I never heard anything back about it | 15:10 |
| gagehugo | we can leave it for now | 15:10 |
| fungi | it's *possible* this was just a maintenance change someone is mass-proposing to stuff that uses neutronclient, but that user has only previously contributed to rally | 15:10 |
| fungi | so it looks like it may be a genuine bug a user turned up and worked out the fix for | 15:11 |
| fungi | and, yeah, maybe this is someone who does qa work for zte | 15:11 |
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| fungi | given rally and syntribos are both testing tools | 15:11 |
| gagehugo | yeah, good point | 15:12 |
| fungi | if we decide not to retire it, we maybe ought to reach out there and find out if they want to help maintain it | 15:12 |
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| gagehugo | we could send out a mailing list email asking specifically if anyone still uses it? | 15:13 |
| fungi | (also we need to pin sphinx or switch to python3 so the docs jobs will pass, if we're keeping it around) | 15:13 |
| gagehugo | yeah | 15:13 |
| fungi | separate ml thread makes sense, sure | 15:13 |
| gagehugo | #action gagehugo to send out an email to the ml about syntribos usage | 15:14 |
| fungi | something scary enough to reach and rouse the handful of users out there, if they exist | 15:14 |
| gagehugo | [security] DELETING SYNTRIBOS NOW!!!!1! | 15:14 |
| nickthetait | theres lots of spider webs who wants to give it a sweep? :) | 15:14 |
| gagehugo | but yeah, ping out and hope someone notices | 15:15 |
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| gagehugo | #topic Security guide update | 15:16 |
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| gagehugo | nickthetait o/ | 15:16 |
| nickthetait | hey | 15:16 |
| nickthetait | so far I have read a significant portion of the docs | 15:17 |
| nickthetait | have a few questions on what is(n't) out of date | 15:17 |
| gagehugo | sure | 15:17 |
| nickthetait | openstack-announce email list has been shut down right? | 15:17 |
| fungi | nope, that still exists | 15:19 |
| nickthetait | ok, ez! | 15:19 |
| fungi | we do send major release announcements and security advisories there | 15:19 |
| nickthetait | CVSSv2 is referenced, should those be turned into v3? | 15:19 |
| fungi | what is the context? who is applying cvss scores to stuff? | 15:20 |
| nickthetait | 1 sec | 15:20 |
| fungi | i think hyakuhei had ideas about the ossg doing cvss scoring of vulnerabilities in openstack and its dependencies once upon a time, but that didn't go anywhere that i can recall | 15:20 |
| fungi | it seemed like a nice idea to get some of the analysts around our community more involved with something that's in their wheelhouse, but ultimately most of the folks in the ossg were there to be able to say they were involved and really only showed up to meetings (if that) | 15:21 |
| nickthetait | #link https://docs.openstack.org/security-guide/management/continuous-systems-management.html#triage | 15:22 |
| fungi | there were rarely more than a handful of folks actually taking on work, and most of them weren't security analysts | 15:22 |
| nickthetait | sounds like not worth updating then? | 15:23 |
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| gagehugo | Maybe not | 15:23 |
| fungi | hrm, in that specific context sure, doesn't hurt to say v3 instead | 15:23 |
| fungi | or just drop the version | 15:24 |
| nickthetait | sure, simplify it | 15:24 |
| fungi | reading through, it's saying that cvss doesn't accurately depict cloud vulnerability risks | 15:24 |
| fungi | not saying we apply cvss scoring to our vulnerabilities | 15:24 |
| fungi | so i think it's fine there, but can't hurt to generalize it slightly to save on future churn | 15:25 |
| nickthetait | is this statement still accurate? "very few clouds are using secure boot technologies in a production environment." | 15:25 |
| gagehugo | hmm | 15:26 |
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| nickthetait | if it is too unclear, then we can just leave wording as is | 15:28 |
| gagehugo | Seems a bit generalizing, could just leave it yeah | 15:29 |
| nickthetait | ok | 15:29 |
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| nickthetait | know what is up with this bibliography section? it seems out of place https://docs.openstack.org/security-guide/management/management-interfaces.html#bibliography | 15:30 |
| nickthetait | like it should be at bottom of the page? | 15:30 |
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| fungi | i wouldn't be surprised that few clouds use secure boot, only because few servers use secure boot to this day, but i don't know that we should be asserting that without data to back it up | 15:31 |
| fungi | maybe that's my inner scientist | 15:32 |
| fungi | i just don't like baseless assertions in technical documents. it's editorializingh | 15:32 |
| fungi | but up to you realy | 15:32 |
| fungi | it's probably not "wrong" anyway | 15:32 |
| nickthetait | ok, will clean that up a little bit | 15:33 |
| fungi | i'd drop that "bibliography" section, sure | 15:34 |
| nickthetait | k | 15:34 |
| fungi | if for no other reason than because it links to a wiki article | 15:34 |
| nickthetait | ;) | 15:34 |
| fungi | if we need to call out things which were implemented in the liberty cycle, we should just say that instead | 15:34 |
| fungi | but in this case it's contextless | 15:35 |
| fungi | what part of the dashboard section was it relevant to? doesn't say | 15:35 |
| nickthetait | yeah exactly | 15:35 |
| fungi | it's just like... ohai, have a link to some releasenotes, kthxbai | 15:35 |
| fungi | not helpful | 15:36 |
| nickthetait | there is a big section on SSL/TLS, recommends only using v1.2, and yet 1.3 is now available https://docs.openstack.org/security-guide/secure-communication/introduction-to-ssl-and-tls.html#cryptographic-algorithms-cipher-modes-and-protocols | 15:36 |
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| fungi | should say 1.2 or later hopefully | 15:40 |
| fungi | 1.3 is still not widely deployed | 15:40 |
| nickthetait | true | 15:40 |
| * fungi was struggling to get apache working with 1.3 on debian/unstable just a few months ago even | 15:40 | |
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| nickthetait | so this claims keystone can't block after set number of failed logins https://docs.openstack.org/security-guide/identity/authentication.html#invalid-login-attempts | 15:44 |
| gagehugo | yeah that's been changed | 15:44 |
| gagehugo | it has that capability now | 15:44 |
| fungi | yay! | 15:45 |
| nickthetait | nice! | 15:45 |
| nickthetait | i'll get that fixed | 15:45 |
| fungi | should the document be updated to say what release that support was added in? | 15:45 |
| gagehugo | yeah lemme find a link | 15:45 |
| nickthetait | thx | 15:45 |
| gagehugo | I know it was newton though | 15:45 |
| fungi | (obviously it's still not available in the releases folks are running earlier than the one which added it) | 15:45 |
| gagehugo | (I helped with it partially) | 15:45 |
| nickthetait | :D | 15:45 |
| gagehugo | #link https://docs.openstack.org/keystone/latest/admin/configuration.html#security-compliance-and-pci-dss | 15:46 |
| fungi | having teh security guide be somewhat release-agnostic and provide guidance for folks who are running a variety of versions of openstack would be good, if we can manage to swing that | 15:46 |
| fungi | if only because we lack the people power to maintain per-release copies of the guide | 15:47 |
| nickthetait | yeah, will see how I can pull that off | 15:47 |
| fungi | so "go look at the rocky security guide because you're running rocky" isn't really a solution | 15:48 |
| fungi | "go look at the openstack security guide" and then it may say "if you're running rocky this can be done thusly..." | 15:48 |
| fungi | or whatever | 15:48 |
| fungi | "consider upgrading your deployment to rocky if you want to take advantage of this feature" | 15:49 |
| gagehugo | ^ | 15:49 |
| nickthetait | that sounds good | 15:49 |
| fungi | spitballing, but you get the idea | 15:49 |
| gagehugo | sorry nickthetait, I got another topic I wanna touch on while I got people here | 15:50 |
| nickthetait | no problem go for it | 15:50 |
| gagehugo | please do ask in openstack-security though if you have more questions | 15:50 |
| nickthetait | ok | 15:50 |
| gagehugo | I'm usually on all the time so I can typically respond | 15:50 |
| fungi | yeah, i have my irc client set to notify me if there's any activity at all in that channel too | 15:50 |
| gagehugo | and I believe fungi is as well :) | 15:51 |
| gagehugo | #topic Shanghai PTG Attendance | 15:51 |
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| gagehugo | they sent out emails asking about attendance, are either of you planning on attending? | 15:51 |
| gagehugo | I will not be there unfortunately | 15:51 |
| fungi | if my visa is accepted, and barring no new natural disasters at home this year, i plan to attend the full week | 15:51 |
| nickthetait | i know for sure can't go | 15:51 |
| nickthetait | nice fungi :) | 15:51 |
| fungi | er, barring ANY new | 15:52 |
| fungi | in that case, i'm happy to be the standard bearer for the sig while i'm there | 15:52 |
| fungi | and will do my best to recruit a few new folks | 15:52 |
| gagehugo | fungi: up to you, I just wanted to ask now and not put it off until the last minute | 15:53 |
| fungi | yep | 15:53 |
| fungi | i don't think just me going is enough to warrant a room though | 15:53 |
| fungi | but i'll do my best to spread the word that we exist | 15:53 |
| gagehugo | yeah, I think that's more of what they're asking | 15:53 |
| gagehugo | do we want a room | 15:53 |
| gagehugo | lets follow up next week with this, and I can respond to the survey then | 15:54 |
| fungi | as usual i'd end up sprinting between other rooms most of the time anyway, so not much point in having a room with no security sig members in it | 15:54 |
| gagehugo | I'll ask in the ml as well, I see other teams doing that | 15:54 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:54 |
| fungi | but yeah, maybe ask on the ml (in the weekly update?) | 15:54 |
| fungi | awesome | 15:54 |
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| gagehugo | #action gagehugo to ask about the ptg in the ml | 15:55 |
| fungi | perhaps there are people who would show up and talk security who just aren't at our irc meetings | 15:55 |
| gagehugo | yeah, we had quite a few at the bof session in denver | 15:55 |
| gagehugo | #topic open discussion | 15:56 |
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| gagehugo | anything else real quick? | 15:56 |
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| nickthetait | "security is important" agree or disagree? :P | 15:56 |
| gagehugo | I'll try to send out the emails today, I'm going to be leaving on vacation tomorrow afternoon | 15:56 |
| gagehugo | so my productivity tomorrow will likely be approaching 0 | 15:56 |
| fungi | have a great vacation! | 15:57 |
| fungi | my productivity usually hovers just above 0 anyway | 15:57 |
| nickthetait | yeah yeah have fun | 15:57 |
| gagehugo | going to float on a river over the weekend :) | 15:57 |
| gagehugo | nickthetait "agree" | 15:57 |
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| fungi | don't forget your sunblock | 15:57 |
| gagehugo | yup | 15:57 |
| gagehugo | thanks for coming everyone, have a good weekend! | 15:58 |
| nickthetait | laters | 15:58 |
| gagehugo | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 11 15:58:06 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-07-11-15.00.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-07-11-15.00.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-07-11-15.00.log.html | 15:58 |
| fungi | gagehugo: and gator repellent ;) | 15:58 |
| gagehugo | heh | 15:58 |
| gagehugo | not too many gators here fortunately | 15:58 |
| gagehugo | more bears | 15:58 |
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