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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 22 16:00:42 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| geguileo | hi! o/ | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | Hoping to see people show up. | 16:01 |
| * jungleboyj shall not ping. | 16:01 | |
| tommylikehu | hi | 16:01 |
| abishop | o/ | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | Give people another minute to show up. | 16:02 |
| abishop | https://imgflip.com/i/2gcuh3 | 16:03 |
| erlon | hey | 16:03 |
| geguileo | abishop: lol | 16:03 |
| tommylikehu | abishop: lol | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | *laughing* | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:04 |
| erlon | jungleboyj, lost the discussion about pinging | 16:04 |
| erlon | was that an issue? | 16:04 |
| abishop | if he pings us then he gets booted from the channel | 16:04 |
| ganso | hello | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Due to the spam we were getting, there is a bot in channel that kicks people that look like they are spamming. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Like giving a big long list of nicks to ping. | 16:05 |
| erlon | oww, haha | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | Interestingly there are no good Giphy's to go with that. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Anyway, lets move on. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | #topic announcements | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:05 | |
| jungleboyj | Weekly reminder about the PTG Planning Etherpad: | 16:06 |
| erlon | jungleboyj, you could spread the ping throughout the meeting :p | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ptg-planning-denver-9-2018 | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | Getting a nice list of topics in there and it looks like we are going to have good attendance. | 16:06 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Attendance looks great! | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | Would like us to make the most of our last PTG. | 16:06 |
| * jungleboyj marks tbarron tardy. | 16:07 | |
| * tbarron is just auditing this class and sits in the back | 16:07 | |
| smcginnis | I've been corrected on saying the last. | 16:07 |
| xyang | hi | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | We will still have the PTG, but it will be immediately after (and maybe slightly overlapping) with the Summit. | 16:07 |
| tommylikehu | ohhh | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ah, ok. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | We shall see how that goes. | 16:08 |
| * jungleboyj Will change his wording. | 16:08 | |
| * jungleboyj feels like we have been there before. | 16:08 | |
| smcginnis | *cough* design summit *cough* | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | We will see how it goes and I have discussion about what we want to do as far as mid-cycles planned for the PTG. | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | I vote for Ft Collins. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | We can all crash at Scott's house. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Also, hopefully everyone saw that I started a joint Manila/Cinder dinner planning section in the etherpad. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | If you want to join that please respond to the doodle poll. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | Anything else related to the PTG right now? | 16:12 |
| abishop | I have a ptg question/comment, but not directly related to our agenda | 16:12 |
| abishop | there's a lot of action in the community about "edge" stuff, and there's this | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | abishop: Sure, go ahead. | 16:12 |
| abishop | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/EdgeComputingGroupPTG4 | 16:12 |
| tbarron | jungleboyj: ty for the dinner planning legwork | 16:12 |
| abishop | I don't see cinder participation mentioned, and that seems curious | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: Welcome. | 16:12 |
| * abishop pauses for reaction | 16:13 | |
| jungleboyj | abishop: Hmmm. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | I don't know if there has been much for Cinder with edge yet. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | At least no one I've seen coming to us with any different needs. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | I think in a lot of cases it's similar to NFV that external storage doesn't play as big of a role. | 16:14 |
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| jungleboyj | Yeah, not that there wouldn't be impacts but I am not sure what they would be. | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | I'd love to hear from someone involved if they need anything. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: It is all more likely to be smaller amounts of local storage. | 16:14 |
| abishop | maybe we should have an envoy to listen in, just to keep up to date and maybe flag any storage misconceptions | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | abishop: That isn't a bad idea. | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | What day is that? | 16:15 |
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| smcginnis | That would be good. I'm too overbooked to do it, but would be great if someone else has time. | 16:15 |
| abishop | I hope to attend that day (I think it's Tue) but I am not much of a cinder expert as rest of you gang | 16:15 |
| * jungleboyj pulls up the schedule | 16:16 | |
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| jungleboyj | Yeah, it is Tuesday. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | It is opposite the First Contact SIG. Not sure if I will be needed there though. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | abishop: I will try to go back and forth there. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | abishop: If you can attend and ping me if there is something that they might need my input on I can be there. | 16:18 |
| geguileo | abishop: I haven't looked up the schedule yet, but I will try to attend it (if my melted brain doesn't forget) | 16:18 |
| abishop | yes, will do! and anyone else from cinder should consider joining | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 16:19 |
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| jungleboyj | Sounds like a plan. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | Any other PTG questions/comments? | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | As for the Rocky Release Schedule. | 16:20 |
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| jungleboyj | I cut an RC-2 today. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | That was to fix a security issue. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | Things have been quiet otherwise. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | Everyone cool with how Rocky is looking? | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | I think we're in decent shape. | 16:22 |
| * smcginnis knocks on wood | 16:22 | |
| * jungleboyj does too. | 16:22 | |
| jungleboyj | Good that things have been fairly quiet. | 16:23 |
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| jungleboyj | I guess we can move on from that. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | #Topic Team Dinner Planning at the PTG | 16:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Team Dinner Planning at the PTG (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:24 | |
| jungleboyj | #link https://doodle.com/poll/8rm3ahdyhmrtx5gp#table | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | Guess I already mentioned this. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | Have 5 people who have added their name to the etherpad. | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | More have taken the poll though. | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | 10 people in Doodle. :-) | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | Looks like we are leaning towards Tuesday. | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | After the Happy Hour. | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | I am cool with that idea. | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | Will give people a little more time to respond. Will come back next week with a place idea so we can get this all nailed down. | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | Hopefully this time the place won't run out of food and beer. | 16:26 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:26 |
| tommylikehu | lol | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: You will share this with your team as well? | 16:27 |
| tbarron | jungleboyj: yes | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | Great. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | Anything else on that topic? | 16:28 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. So that was all for the agenda. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Open Discusion | 16:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discusion (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:29 | |
| jungleboyj | *Discussion | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | Anything else that people want to talk about today? | 16:30 |
| walshh_ | In relation to the PTG, is there a way to join remotely? | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | walshh_: Oh, good question. | 16:30 |
| walshh_ | I wont be able to make the trip this time | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | We have several people asking for remote. | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | Michael, Walt and Xing. | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Going to bring the nice mic and second laptop for streaming? | 16:31 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yeah. I can do that if you don't make fun of me for having a larger suitcase. | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | ;-) | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | I can't promise anything. | 16:32 |
| * jungleboyj sighs | 16:32 | |
| * jungleboyj will make you carry it again. | 16:32 | |
| abishop | oh, one more thing on the edge topic, this is a good read: | 16:33 |
| abishop | #link https://www.openstack.org/assets/edge/OpenStack-EdgeWhitepaper-v3-online.pdf | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | Anyway, I now have access to the YouTube channel. So that is a good thing. | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I should test that out here this week to make sure I can get the live stream working. | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | abishop: Thanks! | 16:34 |
| walshh_ | thanks Jay | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | abishop: Yeah, that looks helpful. | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | walshh_: Yeah, so we will document things in the etherpads like before and I will work on livestreaming things. | 16:35 |
| walshh_ | sounds good | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | Any other topics for today? | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | Going once | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | Going twice ... | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. I think we are done today then. | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks all for coming. | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 16:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:38 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 22 16:38:25 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:38 |
| geguileo | thankss | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-08-22-16.00.html | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-08-22-16.00.txt | 16:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-08-22-16.00.log.html | 16:38 |
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| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 22 19:02:46 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:02 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda | 19:03 |
| SotK | once again I forgot to update it until now, sorry | 19:03 |
| SotK | #topic Announcements | 19:03 |
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| diablo_rojo | o/ | 19:04 |
| SotK | welcome diablo_rojo | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, here too? | 19:05 |
| SotK | do we have anything to announce? | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo | Requirements migrated last week? | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo | I think thats the only one | 19:07 |
| fungi | oh, yep, i'm around | 19:08 |
| diablo_rojo | Requirements was the only one you migrated last week correct? | 19:08 |
| fungi | afaik, yes | 19:08 |
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| diablo_rojo | Cool. | 19:08 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh hello fatema_ :) | 19:08 |
| fungi | i'm scheduled to migrate some project called "slogging" a week from tomorrow | 19:08 |
| fatema_ | hello, sorry I'm late | 19:09 |
| SotK | hello fatema_ :) | 19:09 |
| fatema_ | Hi, diablo_rojo SotK | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh yes that's the other one I was trying to remember | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo | fatema_, no worries | 19:10 |
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| SotK | #topic Migration Updates | 19:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Migration Updates (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:11 | |
| diablo_rojo | I saw that Searchlight and Freezer are kind of reorganizing and I suggested now might be a good time to migrate. Haven't heard anything back from them yet. | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Still nothing from keystone. | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | And others are holding out for attachments. | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | I thiiink thats all the updates I have | 19:12 |
| SotK | cool, hopefully you hear back from folks | 19:13 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo: it looked like the new searchlight ptl agreed with your recommendation? | 19:13 |
| fungi | at least based on my reading of the reply on that thread | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, oh, okay cool- missed that in my inbox | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | I'll take another look. | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | Can do a test migration today | 19:14 |
| fungi | speaking of test migrations, not sure if you saw my comment in #storyboard during the requirements migration testing but repeating the migration tool runs only pulls in new tasks/comments (and users), doesn't update any existing tasks whose statuses have changed in lp since the previous run | 19:16 |
| diablo_rojo | I see the thread but I don't see my message nor a response- just ttx and Nguen and Trinhs messages | 19:16 |
| SotK | ah, its mentioned in the first email of the searchlight thread | 19:16 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, would we want to update those though? We wouldnt want sb statuses to be overwritten if they had changed. | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | OH | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | LOL | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | I see now | 19:17 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-August/133632.html | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | He must have started a new thread that looks practically the same. | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | Hence my confusion | 19:17 |
| fungi | the mailman archive seems to thread it correctly | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, probably just inbox getting confused | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo | or my brain | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo | or both | 19:18 |
| fungi | but yeah, maybe he dropped reference headers | 19:18 |
| fungi | as for updating task status, i guess it depends | 19:21 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 19:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "In Progress Work (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:21 | |
| diablo_rojo | A bunch of your stuff landed SotK :) | 19:21 |
| SotK | I noticed, thanks for the reviews! | 19:21 |
| fungi | in that particular case we spent a while trying to figure out why there were a lot more active stories in storyboard-dev for requirements when there was only one open in lp | 19:22 |
| fungi | before i noticed that most of them had been resolved before the second migration run | 19:22 |
| fungi | made it hard to compare the state between the test import and what was in lp | 19:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh weeird | 19:23 |
| fungi | basically during an earlier test import they had been active, so when rerunning last week their active statuses weren't updated to be resolved | 19:24 |
| fungi | as the tasks already existed on sb-dev | 19:24 |
| diablo_rojo | That should be a simple thing to add. We would just want to check that the status in sb isnt already resolved and reset it to active | 19:24 |
| fungi | yeah, i don't know that it's a problem to be "fixed" so much as just a caveat to keep in mind when you're doing these | 19:25 |
| diablo_rojo | I could go either way | 19:26 |
| diablo_rojo | I don't think its that big a deal, but I can see how if it happens to a lot of stories, it could be a pain | 19:26 |
| fungi | well, one way doesn't involve needing to do anything ;) | 19:26 |
| diablo_rojo | I am almost always in favor of those ways unless there is some pressing reason to do otherwise | 19:27 |
| fungi | so i'm in favor of spending our effort wisely and just leaving it the way it is unless it becomes a serious problem | 19:27 |
| SotK | me too | 19:27 |
| diablo_rojo | Works for me :) | 19:27 |
| fungi | we've also had a couple more requests for making the project and project-group story list have smarter rules for inferred story state (not taking other projects into account when determining state) | 19:28 |
| SotK | mhmm, I think that should be fairly doable | 19:29 |
| fungi | as a workaround, i suggested using a task board with automatic lanes based on task states rather than stories | 19:29 |
| fungi | but that's obviously suboptimal | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo | So if its completed in a project show it as done there and if its being shown in a project group and they aren't all done show it as active? | 19:31 |
| fungi | basically in the project story listing ignore the states of tasks for other projects, and in the project-group story listing ignore the states of tasks for any projects not in that project-group | 19:32 |
| fungi | at least i find that an easier way to reason about it | 19:32 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay | 19:32 |
| diablo_rojo | I think that makes sense | 19:32 |
| SotK | yep, that's how I've understood it | 19:32 |
| SotK | dhellmann pointed out an issue earlier too, where stories with many comments become a bit unusable in the webclient | 19:34 |
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| fungi | yeah, we dropped pagination a while back to avoid confusion, but that brings new problems if you have a story with >1k comments | 19:35 |
| diablo_rojo | Popular story :) | 19:35 |
| diablo_rojo | A release goal I would guess? | 19:35 |
| fungi | popular with his script anyway | 19:36 |
| persia | Even > 100 comments ends up being noticeably slow. | 19:36 |
| fungi | the py3k-first release goal, yeah | 19:36 |
| diablo_rojo | looks like mordred was talking in #storyboard about updates to make it less painful | 19:37 |
| diablo_rojo | but also 'is not really here right now' | 19:37 |
| SotK | I think that's pretty much the next thing I'm going to work on fixing after I've finished the project groups by name thing I've started | 19:37 |
| SotK | and then after that probably writing a spec for attachments | 19:37 |
| SotK | unless anyone beats me to it of course :) | 19:38 |
| fungi | he had also mentioned that the lack of separation between a story state for only "todo" tasks and a story state with an assorted mix of task states made finding untriaged stories harder (at least i think it was dhellmann who pointed that out) | 19:38 |
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| SotK | oh yeah, I think it was | 19:38 |
| SotK | it probably makes sense to look at that at the same time as improving how story state is determined when browsing by project/project group | 19:39 |
| persia | There is probably scope for having a richer list of story states (derived from the small set of task states). | 19:39 |
| fungi | yeah, for that, there were some nuanced combinations of states we probably wanted to take into account, so having some sort of matrix might make it easier to reason through | 19:39 |
| persia | Key to a larger list is not actually letting it be set manually, to avoid the "too many choices" problem. | 19:39 |
| persia | Do there exist any stories of how people did that sort of thing with LP, or did people not usually use bugtasks in LP? | 19:42 |
| SotK | the discussion about it is in the irc logs from the 5th and 6th of August | 19:42 |
| SotK | ah now I can link it because I have the internet again | 19:43 |
| SotK | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23storyboard/%23storyboard.2018-08-06.log.html | 19:43 |
| SotK | and also http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23storyboard/%23storyboard.2018-08-05.log.html | 19:43 |
| * fungi is jealous of SotK's internet access returning | 19:44 | |
| SotK | heh | 19:45 |
| SotK | I'm happy if we just address the states discussed in those logs for now | 19:46 |
| SotK | maybe there would be value in a "Review" state when all tasks are in review too | 19:46 |
| persia | I like the idea of mirroring the task status when all tasks are in the same status (or invalid+that status). | 19:46 |
| fungi | persia: we use bugtasks in lp a lot... i think it's a combination of the fact that lp doesn't have non-project-specific lists of bug and it treating bugtask states as a priority ordered list so just displayed the highest state value of those across the various series bugtasks present for that project | 19:47 |
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| persia | fungi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs exists, but I agree that nobody ever uses it. | 19:48 |
| fungi | new>triaged>confirmed>in-progress>merged>released>opinion>wont-fix>invalid or something like that | 19:48 |
| * SotK is happy with mirroring too, re-reading those logs I'm a bit concerned that "new" has unwanted meaning for that context | 19:48 | |
| fungi | ahh, yes i've used the non-project-specific bug listing option so infrequently that i didn | 19:48 |
| fungi | 't realize it existed at all | 19:48 |
| fungi | SotK: sure, i like "todo" for that instead | 19:49 |
| * persia has been using that bug tracker since before it was called "Launchpad", and so remembers lots of special bits that probably should have been removed from the interface years ago | 19:49 | |
| fungi | *cough* blueprints *cough* | 19:50 |
| persia | One of the features I like about mirroring is that it is amenable to gaming. For example, if one wants to have "TODO" be untriaged and "Active" be triaged, one can create a task "triage this" and mark it complete. | 19:50 |
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| fungi | wfm | 19:50 |
| persia | blueprints is actually an entirely different project that was put into LP. Also, yes :) | 19:50 |
| fungi | yeah, i got a ton of backstory on how blueprints was developed and shoehorned in, none of which is likely germane to this discussion ;) | 19:52 |
| persia | Also yes :) | 19:52 |
| SotK | heh | 19:53 |
| SotK | anything else in progress? | 19:53 |
| diablo_rojo | Some of fatema_ 's stuff needs reviews | 19:54 |
| diablo_rojo | Other than that- not really | 19:54 |
| SotK | oh, I'd be really happy if https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient+branch:master+topic:bugfixes can get some reviews so that I can pad out the update email I've been drafting with more things | 19:55 |
| SotK | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/589663/ would also be good to get merged if someone that isn't diablo_rojo has time to review it | 19:55 |
| * SotK plans to look at fatema_'s patches in his next reviewing session | 19:56 | |
| * diablo_rojo adds bugfixes reviews to the list | 19:56 | |
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| fatema_ | thanks SotK | 19:57 |
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| fatema_ | Is there time for questions ? | 19:57 |
| SotK | sure | 19:57 |
| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 19:57 |
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| SotK | 3 minutes :) | 19:57 |
| fatema_ | :D | 19:58 |
| fatema_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/423876/ for this one | 19:58 |
| fatema_ | Is there a way to pick it up? | 19:58 |
| persia | Is it worth doing? | 19:58 |
| fatema_ | I want to add simplejson to make it possible to use arrow function in coding | 19:59 |
| persia | Alternately, is there another way to cause those requirements to apply iff the migration script is run? | 19:59 |
| fungi | if it's worth restoring, any core reviewer should be able to set it to restored state | 19:59 |
| fatema_ | well in the discussion http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23storyboard/%23storyboard.2017-01-23.log.html | 19:59 |
| persia | For clarity, my opposition is only to LaunchpadLib: I have no objection to simplejson. | 20:00 |
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| fatema_ | persia, that's fine by me | 20:00 |
| SotK | we're out of time, lets continue in #storyboard | 20:00 |
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| SotK | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 22 20:00:34 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-08-22-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-08-22-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-08-22-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 22 21:00:27 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | morning | 21:00 |
| rledisez | hi o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | welcome | 21:01 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:01 |
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| kota_ | rledisez! | 21:01 |
| notmyname | hello, everyone | 21:02 |
| notmyname | good to see you. I was out all last week, and I've been trying to catch up most of this week so far | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | seeing as I *just* updated the agenda for this week's meeting, I think it will be pretty quick :) | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:04 |
| notmyname | the big news is that swift 2.19.0 has been released! | 21:04 |
| kota_ | yey | 21:04 |
| timburke | wooo! | 21:04 |
| rledisez | \o/ | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ | 21:04 |
| timburke | best swift yet | 21:04 |
| tdasilva | hi | 21:04 |
| notmyname | this is what goes into the openstack rocky release, which is set to be released this week or next (Real Soon Now) | 21:05 |
| notmyname | thanks for all the reviews and code work everyone did last week to get this release finished | 21:05 |
| notmyname | I haven't really gone through the priority review page in great detail yet | 21:06 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:06 |
| notmyname | but things to keep in mind: we *need* to get the PUT+POST patch landed. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427911/ | 21:07 |
| patchbot | patch 427911 - swift - Replace MIME with PUT+POST for EC and Encryption - 40h 40m 53s spent in CI | 21:07 |
| notmyname | if you can help with that, it's appreciated | 21:07 |
| notmyname | the patch authors on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507808 have been very patient, as well, and it's a useful feature | 21:07 |
| patchbot | patch 507808 - swift - Add ability to undelete an account. - 32h 4m 31s spent in CI | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | and the patches that help rledisez's work on LOSF will be good to get in | 21:08 |
| notmyname | so those things, in that order, are my opinion as ptl on important thing to get done | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | Put post is waiting on Pete to address reviews I think | 21:09 |
| notmyname | however, FWIW, swiftstack's priorities are around getting the remainder of the s3api patches landed (and a few other non-swift things) | 21:09 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: good to know | 21:09 |
| notmyname | I wonder if we need to be a little more cavalier about pushing updates over each other so that we can make more rapid progress | 21:10 |
| kota_ | e.g. - in etag for multipart? | 21:10 |
| notmyname | kota_: yes | 21:10 |
| timburke | kota_: yeah, among others | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | KMS keymaster multi key patch would be good, just while it's still loaded in people's head | 21:10 |
| timburke | mattoliverau: it's on my list :-) just gotta remember how to spin up barbican | 21:11 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: I agree completely, but it's not something I know of anyone using, much less needing new feature for :-) | 21:11 |
| timburke | kota_: if you see my name by a patch on https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/?S3+API=status:open+file:%255Eswift/common/middleware/s3api/.*+project:openstack/swift -- i want it :-) | 21:11 |
| notmyname | for context on the swiftstack s3 stuff, most of these are patches we were carrying on swift3, and we need these landed on s3api so we can move customers there. once that happens, we'll be able to implement some new s3 compat (eg s3 versioning) | 21:12 |
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| kota_ | timburke: alright, is p 575860 ready for reviews? | 21:12 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/575860/ - swift - s3api: Include '-' in multipart ETags - 15h 15m 57s spent in CI | 21:12 |
| notmyname | kota_: mattoliverau: rledisez: anything to share from your respective employers about priorities? | 21:12 |
| mattoliverau | timburke: there's a vagrant Env you can spin up thanks to tdasilva and Mathias | 21:12 |
| timburke | mattoliverau: once i get barbican loaded into my head again, i might look at a follow-up to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/589270 to have barbican+encryption in a dsvm job | 21:13 |
| patchbot | patch 589270 - swift - Move legacy-swift-dsvm-functional job in-tree - 12h 59m 41s spent in CI | 21:13 |
| timburke | kota_: yeah, should be trimmed down to just the S3 Multipart Upload PUT path now iirc | 21:13 |
| mattoliverau | Umm, not really, py3 is probably still very important as we want a py3 only release. | 21:14 |
| rledisez | notmyname: on our side, LOSF, reducing eventual consistency effect as customers complains a lot about that, and replication/rebalancing | 21:14 |
| kota_ | I don't have so much priority thing for now, but personal perspective, I'd like to get rledisez's p 447129 soon as possible. | 21:15 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447129/ - swift - Configure diskfile per storage policy - 26h 33m 33s spent in CI | 21:15 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: yup. there's always py3 | 21:15 |
| tdasilva | timburke: just for reference: https://github.com/thiagodasilva/barbican-swift this worked at some point in the past | 21:15 |
| notmyname | rledisez: good to know. please talk as much as possible upstream about those things. we all have the same problems :-) | 21:15 |
| kota_ | it's nice to have. | 21:15 |
| timburke | rledisez: when you say "reducing the effect", what does that entail? mostly just trying to reduce object replication/reconstruction cycle times? or updates for container listings? or...? | 21:16 |
| rledisez | timburke: actually both. I worked on reducing the delay for container listing update in special case that was harming us, but also moving back data from handoff to primary node as fast as possible | 21:18 |
| notmyname | oh, speaking of moving data from handoffs more quickly... | 21:19 |
| notmyname | we've had several customers move to the new workers/concurrency settings, and their replication cycle times went *way* down | 21:19 |
| timburke | mattoliverau: i know i mentioned this in a meeting a bit ago, but i forget if you were there for it -- i've got some stuff not in gerrit at https://github.com/tipabu/swift/tree/moar-py3 that's pretty promising... but i haven't had cycles to work on it in a bit | 21:19 |
| timburke | iirc we want something like https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/7932 upstream, because our func tests are insane | 21:20 |
| notmyname | especially when deployers have a lot of drives in a single storage node, moving to more workers and less concurrency really helped. eg old setting was effectively 1 worker with 90 concurrency, new setting is 45 concurrency with 2 workers | 21:21 |
| mattoliverau | timburke: cool, no I didn't know | 21:21 |
| notmyname | sorry, swap that. 45 workers with a concurrency of 2 | 21:22 |
| rledisez | notmyname: good to know. I think we used to do that with reconstructor (1 worker per disk, 1 concurrency per worker) | 21:22 |
| timburke | mattoliverau: unfortunately it's a bit of a mishmash -- i'd hack away until i got some new set of (func) tests passing, then commit as a kind of high-water mark. needs to get pulled apart into a reviewable chain | 21:22 |
| notmyname | rledisez: interestingly, just doing 1 worker per drive had some problems in a 90-drive box. some kernel hangups or something. doing 45/2 was much better than 90/1 | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | it's not what we would have expected, and it needs more investigation. but it's an interesting data point | 21:23 |
| rledisez | notmyname: sure, linux kernel is "sensitive" sometimes :) | 21:24 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:24 |
| notmyname | the PTG is less than a month away | 21:24 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-ptg-planning-denver-2018 | 21:24 |
| notmyname | there's the planning etherpad. I seeded it with some topics, but it needs some more input (eg all the stuff we've just briefly mentioned in this meeting) | 21:25 |
| notmyname | so please add stuff that you want to talk about | 21:25 |
| notmyname | and add your name at the top if you're attending | 21:26 |
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| mattoliverau | Wish I was :( I'll add stuff I want y'all to talk about ;p | 21:27 |
| notmyname | thanks mattoliverau. and you'll be missed | 21:27 |
| notmyname | what else do we need to discuss this week in this meeting? | 21:27 |
| kota_ | nothing from my side | 21:28 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:29 |
| notmyname | thanks, everyone, for your work on swift | 21:29 |
| notmyname | be proud of today's release :-) | 21:29 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming today | 21:29 |
| kota_ | +1 | 21:29 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 22 21:29:58 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-08-22-21.00.html | 21:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-08-22-21.00.txt | 21:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-08-22-21.00.log.html | 21:30 |
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