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samP#startmeeting masakari04:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 24 04:00:16 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.04:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.04:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'masakari'04:00
samPHi all for masakari04:00
lkwan_hi04:00
Dinesh_BhorHi all04:00
samPDinesh_Bhor: Thanks for info about release. I will push required patches right after this meeting04:01
Dinesh_BhorsamP: Okay04:01
Dinesh_BhorThank you04:01
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samPlkwan_: hi04:01
samPLet's start the meeting.04:01
samP#topic High priority items04:02
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samP(1) Introspective Instance Monitoring04:02
lkwan_I would like to follow up with the review04:02
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lkwan_e.g. who could be in the review list or how to make it forward.04:03
Dinesh_Bhorlkwan_: From my side I need some more time to try out the patches04:03
samPlkwan_: current status,04:03
lkwan_I tried out and it should be fine04:03
Dinesh_Bhorlkwan_: I would appreciate if you address the review comments given on the specs till then.04:04
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samPfor spec, information in the spec it LGTM. we need to change the directory for rocky04:04
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lkwan_what review comments?04:04
lkwan_We addressed all.04:05
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Dinesh_Bhorlkwan_: FYI I already have Rocky patch up for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/560237/ . I have given comments on this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469070/04:05
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lkwan_I see04:06
samPlkwan_: comments are not for the patch, but for the spec04:06
Dinesh_Bhorlkwan_: Those are trivial I would say. Will not take much time04:06
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samPfor the patches, me, Tushar and Dinesh are reviewing the patch.04:07
lkwan_thanks.04:07
lkwan_how about the https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-masakariclient/+bug/175604704:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1756047 in python-masakariclient "masakari command failed due to os-service-type1.2.0" [Critical,Confirmed]04:08
samPsorry for the delay. Do you have any specific dead line for this?04:08
lkwan_well.04:08
lkwan_Sooner is better as we would like to move on, Greg may want to think about a new set of blueprint04:08
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Dinesh_Bhorlkwan_, samP: There is no reply on this thread: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129578.html04:09
samPlkwan_: we asking for new sdk version before we merge those patches to fix this.04:09
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Dinesh_BhorNeed to contact Monty.04:09
samPDinesh_Bhor: I will ask again04:09
Dinesh_BhorsamP: Thank you04:09
lkwan_I aware of the dependenies04:09
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samPI will try to get new sdk version asap. Then we can move on with this.04:10
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lkwan_that will be great. Thanks.04:11
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samPlkwan_: np04:11
lkwan_I will take a look on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/560237/ and it seems ok04:12
samPlkwan_: thanks. once we merge ^^, please resubmit the sepc with Rocky target04:13
Dinesh_Bhorlkwan_: Thanks04:13
lkwan_sure.04:13
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samPlkwan_: I will proceed reviewing the patches for masakari-monitors and masakari04:14
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samPI would like to get them merge before mid May...04:15
Dinesh_BhorsamP: noted04:16
samPlkwan_: Any other questions or comments from your side?04:16
lkwan_sounds good and before the coming openstack summit will work.04:16
lkwan_thanks again.04:16
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samPlkwan_: Definitely before the summit..04:17
Dinesh_BhorI heard from Greg that you have a talk based on this in coming summit.04:17
lkwan_Greg will do it.04:17
Dinesh_Bhorlkwan_: Okay,04:18
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samP#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/events/21365/deep-insights-high-availability-vms-with-a-simple-reliable-host-to-guest-interface04:18
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samP^^ here is the link.04:19
Dinesh_BhorGreat!!!04:19
Dinesh_BhorThanks for the link04:19
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samPlkwan_: please let us know if you need any help on this.04:19
samPLet's move to next item.04:20
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samP#topic Critical Bugs04:20
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samPAny bugs or patches need to discuss?04:20
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samPexcept discussed above04:20
lkwan_https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-masakariclient/+bug/1756047 has discussed04:21
openstackLaunchpad bug 1756047 in python-masakariclient "masakari command failed due to os-service-type1.2.0" [Critical,Confirmed]04:21
samPlkwan_: thanks04:21
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lkwan_I think it has merged? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55571004:23
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samPI will try to review pending patches and merge them04:23
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samPlkwan_: seems merged to me04:24
lkwan_https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546492, is still outstanding.04:24
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samPlkwan_: sdk patch was merged but not released yet. That it the reason why we holding this patch04:28
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samPonce we got a new sdk version we are good to go with this.04:28
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samPif any patches or bug need to discuss, please bring them up at end of the meeting.04:29
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samP#topic Discussion Point04:30
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samP(1) Horizon Plugin04:30
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samP#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/masakari-dashboard04:30
samPseems like need to fix the UTs.04:31
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samPgood progress.04:31
samP(3) recovery method customization04:32
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Dinesh_BhorThese patches are also dependent on sdk newer version.04:32
samPDinesh_Bhor: got it. thanks04:32
samPAny update on recovery method customization?04:33
Dinesh_BhorNot so much.04:33
samPor we can get update on next week04:33
samPDinesh_Bhor: thanks.04:33
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samP(3) Ansible support for Masakari04:34
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samPOSA spec merged. Is repo created yet?04:34
lkwan_Are we considering to have ansible support?04:35
samPlkwan_: yes04:35
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Dinesh_BhorNot yet. I guess. Niraj is working on masakari-monitors ansible support04:35
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lkwan_Also will we consider HELM based support as well ?04:35
samPsome of the codes are here, #link https://github.com/NirajSingh90/openstack-ansible-os_masakari04:35
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lkwan_nice04:36
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samPHELM is not in the scope.04:37
samPHowever, I would like to discuss about HELM04:37
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lkwan_it is becoming more relevant04:38
Dinesh_BhorNiraj is exploring containers configuration for masakari, That will help if we decide to include HELM04:38
samPsince I do not have much knowledge about HELM, not sure how to proceed with this.04:38
samPDinesh_Bhor: Good Idea, Thanks.04:39
lkwan_keep us in the loop and it is more like a language for packaging04:39
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samPlkwan_: great.. I will talk to Niraj about this..04:40
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lkwan_that will be good and I can help out as well in this area.04:40
lkwan_I did 2 years of work with docker containers04:41
Dinesh_Bhorlkwan_: Cool04:41
samPlkwan_: thanks..really appreciate it.04:41
lkwan_and HELM seems a logical stop forward for packaging04:41
lkwan_logical step foward04:41
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samPBTW, I am working on RPM and DEB packaging now.04:42
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samPWill share with you once produce something useful..:)04:43
lkwan_nice04:43
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samP#topic AOB04:44
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samPNeed to consider migrate from LP to Storyboard.. may be after Rocky or end of the Rocky.04:44
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samPAny other items to discuss?04:45
samPIf not we could finish this meeting bit early..04:45
Dinesh_BhorYes, I was about to discuss this topic in last meeting. The spec is not merged yet. It is postponed to S release: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513875/04:46
Dinesh_BhorThis is about LP to Storyboard migration04:46
Dinesh_BhorNothing else from my side.04:47
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samPDinesh_Bhor: thanks, true, this patch was not merged and migrating to storyboard is not a release goal.04:48
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Dinesh_Bhoryes04:48
samPHowever, most of the projects are already in storyboard or start to moving into it.04:48
Dinesh_Bhoryes04:48
samPSo, we should consider it too. no hard deadlines.04:49
Dinesh_BhorYes, sure.04:49
samPDinesh_Bhor: Thanks for bringing this up04:49
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Dinesh_BhorThe first step in migrating is to resolve all the open launchpad bugs.04:49
samP]if no other items, lets finish today's meeting04:50
Dinesh_BhorSo we have concentrate on that first.04:50
samPDinesh_Bhor: Agree04:50
Dinesh_BhorThats it from my side. thanks04:50
samPDinesh_Bhor: Thanks04:51
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samPPlease use IRC channel #openstack-masakari on Freenode or openstack-dev ML with [masakari] for further discussion.04:52
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samPThank you for attending masakari meeting04:52
samP#endmeeting04:52
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gongysh#startmeeting tacker08:19
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 24 08:19:49 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:19
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:19
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tacker'08:19
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phuoc_hi08:20
YanXing_anhi08:20
joxyukihi08:20
mardimhello08:21
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gongysh#topic annoucement08:22
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gongyshTC election08:22
dangtrinhnthi08:22
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gongyshplease take part in the TC election poll.08:23
dangtrinhntgongysh. I already done the TC election.08:23
gongyshif you got the poll invitation email.08:23
gongyshdangtrinhnt, great.08:23
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gongysh#topic summit topic status08:24
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gongyshmardim, hi08:24
mardimhello08:24
mardimThe demo is pretty much ready08:25
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mardimI created to demos actually so we can have a backup08:25
mardimtwo(08:25
mardimtwo*08:25
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mardimthe demo architecture is like dynamic sfc through zabbix08:25
phuoc_mardim, that's great08:25
mardimso when an event occurs in zabbix08:26
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gongyshmardim, do you have a video for it?08:26
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mardimtriggers automatically an action and update the classifier to steer the traffic through the chain08:26
mardimgongysh, Not yet I will I think till next week08:26
mardimwhen I make one I will send it to you08:27
mardimdo you need the video now ?08:27
mardimor like a backup for the summit ?08:27
gongyshdo you have?08:27
mardimnot yet08:27
gongyshmardim, we will have a video for backup, but we'd better to do live demo.08:28
mardimyes I agree I think I will have the video until next week08:28
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mardimthe only think is that I would like to add your public keys guys to the demo server08:28
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gongyshyou can update the slide to show us your idea of the demo.08:28
mardimso you can have accesses from your PCs08:28
phuoc_mardim, what is your constraints of the trigger?08:29
mardimbecause maybe my PC will have problems with HDMI08:29
gongyshmardim, I will send you my public key.08:29
mardimAvg Bps08:29
mardimgongysh, Great08:29
mardimphuoc_, if the Average BPs in the eth0 is higher than 3500 Bps08:30
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mardimthen do the action08:30
gongyshmardim, what are your two vnfs?08:30
phuoc_I will note your scenario08:30
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mardimgongysh, you mean the SFs in the chain  right ?08:30
gongyshyes08:30
mardimIDS and FW08:31
gongyshwhat open software is for IDS?08:31
mardimsuricata08:31
gongyshand FW?08:31
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mardimthe simple firewall that ubuntu has08:32
mardimUFW I think is the name08:32
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phuoc_maybe that is similar to iptables xD08:32
mardimyes it is but is running as a service08:32
mardimyou can enable it and disable it08:33
mardimBut for demo purposes is working llike a charm08:33
mardim:)08:33
gongyshmardim, why not using openwrt?08:33
mardimno reason08:33
mardimI just choose the simple solution08:33
mardimis that a problem ?08:33
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gongyshwe can config the openwrt through tacker.08:34
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mardimhmmm didn't know that08:34
gongyshopenwrt is our only vnf we are supporting now. if we don't use it,  no one will use it.08:34
gongyshlet's use openwrt for fw.08:34
mardimok I will try to use it but I cannot promise because I am pretty overloaded right now08:35
mardimI will try to find some spare time08:35
gongyshmardim, share the work, we can do it together.08:35
mardimgongysh, can you please send me some links regarding openwrt and tacker08:35
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mardimgongysh, yes ok I will put your public key to the demo server so you can have access08:36
dangtrinhntmardim, I can help with openwrt driver. I've worked with it for a while.08:36
mardimdangtrinhnt, nice of you :)08:36
gongyshdangtrinhnt, you are so kind.08:36
gongyshhttps://docs.openstack.org/tacker/latest/install/deploy_openwrt.html08:36
dangtrinhntno prob. Just tell me what you need.08:37
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gongyshmardim, send out the google doc link again08:38
mardimgongysh, sure08:38
mardimdone08:39
gongyshphuoc_, I think you have one more lighting talk, is that done?08:39
phuoc_I, trinh and dkuhswaha have a lighting talk08:40
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gongyshphuoc_, the slide is finished?08:40
phuoc_the slide is not finished yet08:41
gongyshok.08:41
phuoc_we will try to finish in one or two weeks later08:41
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gongyshafter we have done the demo, we can add suricata and openwrt into our vnf market.08:42
gongysh#topic bp08:43
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gongyshI cannot see much progress in our bp08:43
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dangtrinhntgongysh, what do you think about the new direction for Tacker Studio? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/553684/08:43
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gongyshdangtrinhnt, we need do more invetigation for ui pull and drag way.08:47
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gongyshI have heard you said the heat horizon is using drag and drop way, right?08:48
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dangtrinhntyes, It does but it very complicated in the users point of view. I looked over other projects, they use forms.08:48
phuoc_I think we can do the OSM way08:49
dangtrinhntFor example, Opensource MANO, to generate the templates, users only need to use a very simple form.08:49
gongyshdangtrinhnt, you can write it as an alternative method.08:49
phuoc_drag and drop way is complicated I think08:50
dangtrinhntgongysh, ok.08:50
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gongyshdangtrinhnt, you can even record heat horizon and oepnsource mano and have the link in the spec.08:50
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dangtrinhntgongysh, sure. I will update the spec.08:51
gongyshdangtrinhnt, thanks08:52
gongyshphuoc_, any update?08:52
phuoc_I am coding in the sfc with container and VM08:53
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phuoc_basically, the feature works but it is not stable enough08:53
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phuoc_I will improve this feature, and upload the code too08:54
gongyshphuoc_, ok, it seems the k8s  openstack cloud provider is buggy.08:54
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gongysh#topic open discussion08:55
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gongyshjoxyuki, hi08:55
gongyshany thing to talk?08:55
joxyukigongysh, hi08:55
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joxyukiplease review my specs when you have a time08:56
gongyshwhich one?08:56
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joxyukihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/561840/08:56
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joxyukihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/563844/08:56
gongyshjoxyuki, I got two08:56
gongyshok08:56
joxyukithanks08:56
gongyshI will devote some time to have a look.08:57
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gongyshand, if you guys are interested in kubernetes and openstack, please have a test on phuoc_ 's patch.08:57
phuoc_thanks08:58
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gongysh2 mins left08:58
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gongysh1 mis08:59
gongysh1 min left.08:59
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phuoc_nothing from me xD08:59
gongyshguys, don't forget to vote for me for the TC election if you got a poll invitation email.08:59
gongyshthanks08:59
mardimme neither08:59
gongysh#endmeeting08:59
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jlibosva#startmeeting networking14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 24 14:00:58 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jlibosva. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
jlibosvahello friends14:01
annphi14:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking'14:01
mlavalleo/14:01
yamamotohi14:01
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jlibosva#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings14:01
jlibosvathis is the agenda for the meeting14:01
haleybhi14:01
jlibosva#topic Announcements14:01
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jlibosvawe got a first milestone cut last week14:02
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rubasovo/14:02
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jlibosvaneutron-lib is planned to be released this week14:03
lajoskatona_o/14:03
jlibosvanext announcement is that we're looking for a QA liaison!14:03
jlibosva#link  https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#QA14:03
* mlavalle filling that gap for the time being14:03
jlibosvamlavalle++14:04
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jlibosvathe next announcements are related to the next upcoming Summit in May14:04
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jlibosvawe got approved some topics at The Forum14:04
jlibosvafirst is about the future of RYU library14:05
jlibosva#link  http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/13614:05
mlavalleI don'Not necessarilly approved yet. They were proposed14:05
jlibosvaaaah14:05
jlibosvasorry14:05
mlavallenp14:06
jlibosvaok, next proposed topic at the forum is the traditional nova-neutron + ops cross project session14:06
jlibosva#link  http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/12414:06
bcafarelhi14:06
jlibosvabcafarel: hi14:06
jlibosvaand next two are about logging api14:06
jlibosva#link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/14314:06
jlibosvaand fwaas14:06
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jlibosval7 filtering14:07
jlibosva#link  http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/14414:07
jlibosvaalso there is an etherpad with Vancouver summit participants14:07
jlibosva#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-neutron-atendees14:07
jlibosvaif you plan to arrive to this great event, please sign up your name there14:07
mlavalleThere will be a team dinner on Tuesday of that week14:08
mlavalleTraditionally we do it on Thursday, but this time the event end on Thursday, so many folks might be gone that night14:08
jlibosvaI recommend to go there as it's usually fun and you meet your fellas there :)14:08
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bcafarelthat URL is missing a "t" :)14:09
mlavallebcafarel: LOL.... thanks for the review. it's my fault14:09
jlibosvabcafarel: nitpicker :)14:09
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bcafarelalways :)14:10
jlibosvalast announcement from me is that Rocky TC elections has begun today so you should have got your voting billet in your mailbox :)14:10
jlibosvamlavalle: do you have anything else?14:11
mlavalleNope, thanks!14:11
jlibosvaok, let's move on14:11
jlibosvaunless anybody else has anything to add14:11
jlibosva#topic Blueprints14:12
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jlibosvawe're now in the rocky-2 milestone14:12
jlibosva#link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/rocky-214:12
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jlibosvadoes anybody want to give an update on any rfe being worked on?14:13
jlibosvaany issues that are worth attention of the team?14:13
mlavalleJust an update on multiple port bindings14:13
mlavalleYesteday we acomplished the first change of backend in history for a port using multiple port bindings14:14
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jlibosva*clap clap clap*14:14
mlavallein my test environment. I moved a port from a binding with OVS to Linux bridge14:14
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mlavalleand the port's dataplane continued comunicating normally14:15
mlavalleso I think we are very close to merge the big ML2 patch that I've been working for the past few months14:15
mlavalleThat will enable the NOva team to conduct their testing14:16
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njohnstonnice14:16
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mlavalleI will also create a fullstack test. I've been using namespaces in my testing to simulate instances, so that will probably translate easily to a full stack test14:16
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mlavallethat's all on that update14:17
jlibosvanice14:17
jlibosvamlavalle: if you'll need any help with fullstack, let me know :)14:17
mlavalleyou bet... Thanks14:17
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jlibosvaannp: do you want to give an update about your wsgi work? I think you have some success there too, don't you?14:18
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annpjlibosva, we have community goal session right?14:19
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jlibosvaannp: right, sorry I mixed it with rfe :)14:19
* mlavalle wants to ask a question after others are done with their blueprints updates14:19
annpSo please go ahead, I will update something In there.14:19
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jlibosvamlavalle: seems like they are :)14:20
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mlavalleYesterday, while reviewing progress on blueprints I realized that https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/get-policy-from-neutron-lib doesn't have an assignee14:20
mlavalleI think the asignee should be amotoki and someone else should be the approver (maybe me)14:21
mlavalleis amotoki around?14:21
amotokimlavalle: hi14:21
mlavalleamotoki: ^^^^14:21
mlavalledo you think you should be the assignee?14:22
amotokiyeah, I think so14:22
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mlavalleok, I will the approver then14:22
amotokithanks14:22
amotokiI just noticed the previous assignee cleared him.14:22
mlavalleDone14:23
jlibosvaok, I think we can move on then14:24
jlibosva#topic Community goals14:24
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mlavallecan we go back to brluprints?14:24
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jlibosva#undo14:24
openstackRemoving item from minutes: #topic Community goals14:24
mlavalleTHanks!14:24
mlavalleI want to highlight the OVO work that is going on14:24
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mlavalleThe OVO team maintains a very well organized spreadsheet of work done, in progress and pending:14:25
mlavalle#link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Mz7V40GSdcUH_aBoNWjsFaNRp4wf-duz1GFWligiNXc/edit#gid=105178884814:25
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mlavallePlease take a look and if you find something you want to work on and is open, please pick it up and add your name to it14:26
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mlavalleThey also meet every Thursday at 1400UTC. They'll be happy to welcome you in their weekly meeting14:26
mlavalle#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Neutron_Upgrades_Meeting14:27
mlavallelujinluo does a great job chairing that meeting14:27
mlavalleThat's it. Thanks14:27
jlibosvathanks for updates14:27
jlibosvanow jumping to the next topic :)14:28
jlibosva#topic Community goals14:28
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jlibosvaso as I see in the logs from the last week meeting, slaweq has completed the "Enable mutable configuration" goal, right?14:29
jlibosvashould we remove it from wiki then?14:29
mlavallenot yet. there was some concern about the impact for subprojects14:29
annpslaweq, ++14:29
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mlavalleslaweq was going to follow up with amessage to the ML, which I haven't seen14:29
jlibosvaok14:30
* mlavalle maybe just missed it14:30
mlavalleBut in any case, great job slaweq. for the most part, it is done14:30
jlibosvaslaweq++14:31
yamamotothis mail? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129442.html14:32
mlavalleyamamoto: yeap, that's it14:32
mlavalleso we are done with this community goal14:33
amotokiI think we need to wait for landing subproject patches before completing it.14:33
* mlavalle slaps himself for doubting slaweq followed up14:34
amotokidynamic-routing patch lands.14:34
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mlavallethat sounds fair14:34
amotokii think neutron-lbaas is better to be tracked.14:34
mlavallegood point amotoki14:34
amotokiwe can ping johnsom for neutron-lbaas :)14:34
johnsomHi14:35
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amotokimmm... neutron-lbaas slaweq patch on mutable config has abandoned.14:35
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mlavallejohnsom: we were talking about this http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129442.html14:35
-amotoki- is looking at discussion of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/559412/14:36
mlavalledoes neutron-lbaas need to followed up on this regard?14:37
amotokithe current consensus seems neutron-lbaas is deprecated so no feature is coming.14:37
johnsomAh, yes. Since we have gone into feature freeze on neutron-lbaas this was kind of on the line.  The main API will of course inherit support from neutron, this was just adding it to two sub-processes.14:37
amotokisupport mutable config only in octavia sounds reasonable to me.14:37
amotokis/support/supporting/14:38
johnsomYes, Octavia certainly needs it.14:38
johnsomI hadn't noticed it was abandoned, I wanted to get some other core opinions on the neutron-lbaas patch.  I will bring it up at this week's meeting.14:38
mlavallejohnsom: ok, you decide what you want to do with neutron-lbaas. just a heads up14:38
johnsomYep, no problem14:39
mlavalle++14:39
amotokithanks for clarification!14:39
amotokilooking at the projects listed in http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129442.html, we've done it :)14:39
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mlavallecool14:40
jlibosvais there anything worth mentioning regarding community goals?14:40
amotokiwe have done mox-removal too.14:40
annphi14:40
jlibosvawe have 20 minutes left14:40
amotokii updated the storyboard status14:41
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amotokihttps://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/200154614:41
amotokiit seems we can drop these two from the wiki14:41
amotokiannp: go ahead14:41
annpamotoki, thanks14:41
annpIn order to support deploying neutron-api under wsgi, We need to 2 patches:14:41
annphttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/555608/14:41
annphttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/473718/14:41
annpThe first patch: allow neutron-api load conf files from wsgi, and also allow neutron-rpc-server aware plugin extension. Currently, I have tested in my local environment, Everything seems work fines with provider network and tenant network, I can create vm, subnet, router, … So I think this patch is ready for review. Could you please have a look at it?14:42
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annpnova and other worked. I have to deal with time out problem of some tempest test http://logs.openstack.org/18/473718/11/check/tempest-full/0077b98/testr_results.html.gz, and also have to deal with how to start neutron-api, neutron-roc in neutron-grenade job instead of q-svc. So Could you please have a look at it and give me advice when you have time :). That’s all update for run neutron under wsgi14:42
annpThe second patch: WSGI integration in devstack, currently I switched from mod_wsgi to uwsgi as nova and other worked. I have to deal with time out problem of some tempest test http://logs.openstack.org/18/473718/11/check/tempest-full/0077b98/testr_results.html.gz, and also have to deal with how to start neutron-api, neutron-roc in neutron-grenade job instead of q-svc. So Could you please have a look at it and give me advice when you have14:42
annptime :). That’s all update for run neutron under wsgi14:42
jlibosvaamotoki: mlavalle I'll strike those two out on the wiki14:42
mlavallejlibosva: +++14:43
jlibosvaannp: thanks for updates, I hope it'll get reviews soon :)14:43
mlavalleannp: thanks for the update. will take a look at the patches14:43
amotokiannp: great progress. I will test them14:43
jlibosvalet's move on, we're running out of time a bit14:43
annpjlibosva, amotoki, mlavalle, thanks in advance. :)14:44
jlibosva#topic Bugs14:44
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jlibosvayamamoto was deputy and he sent out the summary on the ML14:44
yamamotohi14:44
jlibosva#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129777.html14:45
amotokithe update is http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129781.html14:45
yamamotothank you14:45
yamamotoone critical bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/176500814:45
openstackLaunchpad bug 1765008 in tripleo "Tempest API tests failing for stable/queens branch" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Gabriele Cerami (gcerami)14:45
yamamotoi think it still needs a little more work14:46
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hongbin_what need to be done is to move the shim extension to the segment service plugin?14:47
yamamotothat's my understanding14:47
hongbin_yamamoto: i will submit another patch for that14:47
yamamotothank you14:47
amotokii think so too14:47
hongbin_yamamoto: thanks for catching this issue14:47
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jlibosvathanks yamamoto for update14:48
jlibosvadeputy for this week should be pasuder14:49
jlibosvabut he doesn't seem online now14:49
* mlavalle will rollover the bugs deputy calendar in the wiki this week14:49
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mlavallejlibosva: he is aware of his duty week. he was asking questions yesterday in the Neutron channel14:49
jlibosvamaybe slaweq will know how to contact him and make sure he's aware of being a bug deputy :)14:49
jlibosvamlavalle: ok, good then :)14:49
jlibosvamoving on then14:50
jlibosva#topic Docs14:50
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jlibosvaboden: hi, do you have any updates re docs?14:50
bodennothing doc related I’m aware of worth noting14:51
jlibosvathanks :)14:51
jlibosva#topic neutron-lib14:51
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jlibosvaboden: how about neutron-lib? :)14:51
bodenquickly; I noticed you mentioned the release of lib we want to do this week already14:51
mlavalleyeap14:51
bodenthere’s still 1 patch we need to land from my POV… can be found here https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/neutron-lib+comment:1.14.0-release-candidate14:52
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bodenalso let me note that the periodic dashboard that we use to see the health of neutron-lib/master with other projects was broken until yesterday; it’s now fixed14:52
mlavallethe docs links?14:52
bodenmlavalle yes14:52
bodenhowever we still have 1 periodic failure to address http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/git.openstack.org/openstack/networking-bgpvpn/master/openstack-tox-py35-with-neutron-lib-master/1eb92ef/job-output.txt.gz14:53
bodenI’m looking now, but may need to create a bug14:53
mlavalleboden: just pushed it in14:53
bodenso IMO we need (a) to land that doc fix patch and (b) figure out whats up with bgpvpn periodic before we can propose a safe release14:53
slaweqjlibosva: mlavalle: hi14:53
bodenmlavalle thank you14:54
jlibosvaslaweq: hi14:54
slaweqand hi to everyone else :)14:54
amotokiboden: it seems to be caused by horizon change. I will take care of it.14:54
bodenthat’s all I have.. I nkow we are short on time14:54
jlibosvaboden: thanks for updates14:54
slaweqpasuder is for sure aware of being on bug debuty :)14:54
bodenamotoki awesome thank you14:54
jlibosvaslaweq: oki :) thanks14:54
jlibosva#topic CLI/SDK14:54
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amotokibgpvpn repo contains horizon dashboard too.14:54
jlibosvaamotoki: do you have any updates re clisdk?14:54
amotokinothing from me on this topic14:54
jlibosvathanks14:54
jlibosva#topic Open Discussion14:54
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jlibosvadoes anybody have a topic he'd like to discuss here?14:55
jlibosvawe have 5 minutes left14:55
jlibosvaseems like we do not have a topic14:55
jlibosvathanks everyone for showing up, keep up the good work :)14:56
mlavalleo/14:56
bcafarelo/14:56
jlibosva#endmeeting14:56
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Apr 24 14:56:17 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:56
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2018/networking.2018-04-24-14.00.html14:56
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2018/networking.2018-04-24-14.00.txt14:56
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2018/networking.2018-04-24-14.00.log.html14:56
mlavallebcafarel: wil be nice to see you in Vancouver14:56
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amotokio/14:56
bcafarelmlavalle: indeed :) and I see slaweq there too nice14:57
annpthanks all :)14:57
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slaweqbcafarel: :)14:59
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slaweq#startmeeting neutron_qos15:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 24 15:00:30 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
slaweqhi15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos'15:00
mlavalleo/15:00
slaweqmorning with many meetings for You, right mlavalle? :)15:01
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rubasovhi again15:01
slaweqhi rubasov15:01
njohnstono/15:01
slaweqhi njohnston15:01
njohnstonhi slaweq!15:01
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slaweqso let's start15:02
slaweq#topic RFEs15:02
mlavalleslaweq: yeah, Tuesday's meetingitis15:02
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slaweqthere wasn't any new RFE related to QoS reported in last two weeks15:02
slaweqso let's go through existing one15:03
slaweqfirst is #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/172757815:03
openstackLaunchpad bug 1727578 in neutron "[RFE]Support apply qos policy in VPN service" [Wishlist,Triaged]15:03
slaweqSpecs from zhaobo6 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531074/15:03
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slaweqFor me it's fine but some VPN/L3 experts should take a look on it still - mlavalle, I think You are right person to check it :)15:03
mlavalleslaweq: I'll also have yamamoto to take a look15:04
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mlavallebut yeah, I will take a look15:04
slaweqyes, he was commenting this RFE on launchpad a lot AFAIR, would be great if he can check it also15:04
slaweqnext one is #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/156096315:05
openstackLaunchpad bug 1560963 in neutron "[RFE] Minimum bandwidth support (egress)" [Wishlist,In progress]15:05
slaweqand here there isn't too much to say :/15:05
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slaweqas we talked on last meeting I sent emails to ovs-discuss and lartc MLs: https://mail.openvswitch.org/pipermail/ovs-discuss/2018-April/046549.html and http://www.spinics.net/lists/lartc/msg23542.html15:06
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slaweqbut there wasn't any response there15:06
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slaweqso I still don't know how to do this min egress bw for VM15:07
rubasovslaweq: sorry to hear that you did not get a response15:07
mlavalleshould we just start experimenting?15:07
mlavallewith TC?15:07
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slaweqmlavalle: I would like to but for now I have still other things to do and I just don't have enough time15:08
mlavalleslaweq: did you ever read an academic paper that I piiunted you too about two weeks ago?15:08
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mlavallepointed^^^^15:08
slaweqno, I didn't15:08
slaweqYou pointed to it on meeting two weeks ago?15:08
mlavalleI think they had some good ideas. I'll dig it for you again15:08
slaweqthx - I probably missed it somehow15:08
mlavalleI don't remeber if it was in the meeting or in the Neutron channel15:09
mlavalleBut I'll find it for you15:09
mlavalleagain15:09
slaweqthx a lot15:09
* mlavalle feels relieved that slawek wasn't ignoring him on the QoS paper15:09
* mlavalle just joking ;-)15:10
slaweqmlavalle: :)15:10
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slaweqok, next one - #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/157898915:10
openstackLaunchpad bug 1578989 in neutron "[RFE] Strict minimum bandwidth support (egress)" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq)15:10
rubasovI have some news for you15:10
slaweqI just wanted to mention two patches made by lajoskatona waiting for second +2:15:11
slaweq#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/554532/15:11
slaweq#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552938/15:11
slaweqplease review it15:11
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rubasovwe had a productive hangouts discussion with jaypipes15:11
slaweqrubasov, mlavalle: any updates about specs?15:11
rubasovdue to that gibi is preparing a new patch set for the nova spec15:11
mlavallerubasov: when was that?15:12
rubasovtogether with that I'm preparing a new patch set for the neutron spec15:12
rubasovmlavalle: yesterday afternoon15:12
mlavalleafternoon your time?15:12
rubasovslaweq: so I hope I'll have a new neutron spec patch set this week15:12
rubasovmlavalle: yes15:12
mlavalleI would liked to attend it15:13
mlavallewould have^^^15:13
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rubasovmlavalle: sorry for missing you out15:13
rubasovmlavalle: I think you may have been still sleeping then15:13
mlavallecan you give us a summary?15:14
rubasovmlavalle: yes15:14
rubasovthe basic discussion went around the last 30 lines of this etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/net-bw-providers15:14
rubasovthat is: do we need cross-project standardization of the placement db contents15:15
rubasovor can we leave it to neutron to define networking resource traits15:15
rubasovby that getting nova and placement to treat networking rp info opaque15:16
rubasovI think we ended up with a consensus to leave that to neutron15:16
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gibiAlso we agreed to limit the scope of the current effort15:17
rubasovgibi is around, will add a bit15:17
gibifor example15:17
gibiwe not try to solve the mapping of the a resourece_request from a given port to a subset of the allocation in placement15:17
gibithis could be done in the next iteration15:18
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gibiuntil that Neutron can fail at the port binding in complex case when the mapping is ambigouos15:18
gibiambiguous15:18
gibithis also means that the Neutron API extension that adds the resource_request to the port15:19
gibiwill be optional and turned off by default15:19
gibito communicate that this feature is experimental15:19
mlavalleso, what is going to change in the next iteration? will placement have more capabilities to support this feature?15:20
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rubasovwe may move the rp tree description to the neutron spec15:20
rubasovwe'll cut the nova spec significantly shorter (leave the rest for a next spec)15:21
gibimlavalle: extending placement to provide the mapping is one possible solution15:21
mlavallenot the next iteration of the spec. I meant the iteration of the feature15:21
rubasovah okay, please see gibi's answer ^^^^15:22
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rubasovwe also would like to start some prototyping in neutron15:23
rubasovbut with nova mocked away first15:24
rubasovI hope we can put together something until the summit15:24
rubasovand show it you there15:24
slaweqrubasov++15:24
mlavallewhat is going to happen with Nova in the meantime?15:25
gibimlavalle: we have to reach the point that the nova spec is accepted15:26
mlavalledon't we have to reach the point where the neutron spec is accepted?15:26
rubasovby the way I wanted to ask if I should add this to the topics etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-neutron-brainstorming15:26
gibimlavalle: then, I will start adding the code to nova that reads the port's resource_request and incorporates it to the GET allocation_candidate request towards placement15:26
gibimlavalle: I don't think that will be ready before the summit15:27
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gibimlavalle: the rubasov has a nice plan how to progress with the neutron part without the need of the nova change15:27
mlavallewhat won't be ready before the ummit?15:27
gibimlavalle: I hope the nova spec can be accepted before teh summit. The nova code that reads the ports' resource_request will not be ready for the summit15:28
mlavallewhat about the neutron spec?15:28
rubasovgibi, mlavalle: I am putting that plan in the next patch set of the neutron spec15:28
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rubasovmlavalle: I think we may want to get the two specs accepted together15:29
rubasovmlavalle: I was hoping the cross-project session on the summit would have been a good candidate for such a thing15:29
mlavalleok, cool, let's work on the specs15:30
gibirubasov: I would be happier if we can do that before the summit, but if more face to face time is needed for that then summit is a good place15:30
mlavalleI feel the same15:30
gibibtw both rubasov and me will be in Vancouver15:31
mlavallelet's try to get the specs mmerged before the Summit15:31
rubasovmlavalle: that would be even better15:31
gibiand nova folks already proposed a nova-neutron cross project session15:31
* gibi digs the link15:31
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rubasovhttp://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/12415:31
mlavallegibi: noneed to dig it15:31
gibirubasov was faster :)15:31
mlavalleI am aware of it15:32
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slaweqI wasn't aware, thx gibi :)15:32
slaweqsorry, thx rubasov15:32
gibi:)15:32
slaweq:)15:32
mlavalleslaweq: it is in the Neutron weekly meeting wiki since last week15:32
rubasov:-)15:32
slaweqmlavalle: thx, I didn't check it15:33
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mlavalleI've been mentioning it in the past two meetings15:33
slaweqmaybe I just forgot, sorry :)15:33
rubasovsorry for repeating myself: do we want the min bw work as a topic here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-neutron-brainstorming ?15:33
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mlavallerubasov: not necessary. We are already going to discuss it anyway15:34
rubasovmlavalle: ack, thanks15:34
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rubasovI think that's all from me in this topic15:35
mlavalleto reiterate, let's strive to have the spces merged before the Summit15:35
rubasovmlavalle: working on it15:35
slaweqmlavalle++15:35
slaweqthx rubasov and gibi for update and for working on this topic15:36
mlavallegibi, rubasov: thanks for your hard work and progress report15:36
* gibi is happy to work on this15:36
rubasovslaweq, mlavalle: thank you for the help and the reviews15:36
mlavallerubasov: I don't want to get in the way, but I also want to contribute code to this implementation15:37
rubasovmlavalle: you're more than welcome15:37
mlavallecool15:37
slaweqI think we can move on to the next rfe15:38
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rubasovmlavalle: we'll learn from you15:38
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* mlavalle will also learn from rubasov :-)15:38
slaweqthere is only one postponed rfe left on my list: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/150562715:39
openstackLaunchpad bug 1505627 in neutron "[RFE] QoS Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) Support" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee)15:39
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slaweqreedip has this specs still in review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445762/15:39
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slaweqfor me it looks good, please add it to Your list of reviews :)15:39
mlavalleis he going to implement it?15:40
slaweqmlavalle: from what he told me few weeks ago yes, he wants to implement it15:40
mlavallecool15:40
slaweqbut that's all what I can say :)15:40
njohnstonI'll definitely take a look15:41
slaweqnjohnston: thx a lot15:41
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slaweqok, let's move on15:42
slaweq#topic Bugs15:42
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slaweqthere wasn't any new bug reported for QoS in last two weeks (at least any which I am aware of)15:42
slaweqso we have still this one:15:42
slaweq#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/175831615:43
openstackLaunchpad bug 1758316 in neutron "Floating IP QoS don't work in DVR router" [High,In progress] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889)15:43
slaweqand there is already patch for that: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558724/15:43
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slaweqI checked that with this patch FIP QoS DVR scenario test is passing, what can be seen in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558725/515:43
slaweqso looks that it fixes an issue15:44
slaweqI think that this patch also need some review from L3 experts - mlavalle :)15:44
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mlavalleslaweq: I will take a look today15:44
slaweqthx mlavalle15:44
slaweqand that's all what I have for today15:45
slaweq#topic Open Discussion15:45
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slaweqanyone has something to talk about?15:45
slaweqif no, I think we can get 15 minutes back :)15:45
njohnston+115:46
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mlavallegibi, rubasov: it will be very nice to see you in Vancouver face to face15:46
slaweq+115:46
rubasovmlavalle: looking forward to meeting you15:46
gibi+115:46
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mlavallegibi: you are more tnah welcome to attend our team dinner on Tuesday if you want. If you decide to do so, please sign in here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-neutron-atendees15:47
gibimlavalle: thanks for the invitation15:48
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gibimlavalle: I have to check the nova schedule15:48
rubasovmlavalle: I already advertised it to him :-)15:48
gibimlavalle: but I will try to join15:48
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mlavalle++15:48
mlavalleslaweq: you can go ahead and close the meeting15:49
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slaweqok, thx for attending15:49
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slaweqand see You in 2 weeks then15:49
slaweqbye15:49
slaweq#endmeeting15:49
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rubasovbye15:50
lajoskatonabye15:50
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slaweq#startmeeting neutron_ci16:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 24 16:00:44 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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slaweqhi16:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci'16:00
mlavalleo/16:00
mlavalleslaweq: long time no see ;-)16:01
slaweqyeah :)16:01
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jlibosvao/16:01
haleybhi16:01
slaweqok, so let's start16:02
slaweq#startmeeting neutron_ci16:02
openstackslaweq: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.  Use #endmeeting first.16:02
slaweqsorry16:02
slaweqwrong copy paste :)16:02
slaweq#topic Actions from previous meetings16:02
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njohnstono/16:02
mlavalleNice to see you in this meeting also Nate16:03
slaweqhi njohnston - long time :)16:03
jlibosvaI greet you njohnston :)16:03
slaweqso first action was:16:03
slaweq* slaweq will check old gate-failure bugs16:03
slaweqI went through list of bugs and send an summary email during the weekend: I wrote some summary: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129625.html16:04
slaweqbasically I set some bugs as incomplete16:04
mlavallethat was a very nice thing to do16:04
mlavallegood initiative16:04
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slaweqthx16:04
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slaweqplease check this list - maybe some bugs which I wasn't sure can be closed also16:05
slaweqsome of them are really old :)16:05
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slaweqok, next one was: * jlibosva take a look on failing ovsfw blink functional test16:06
jlibosvaI did16:06
jlibosvathe fix is about to get merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/562220/16:06
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slaweqit's already +W so almost done :)16:07
slaweqthx jlibosva16:07
slaweqok, next one: * slaweq will check failed SG fullstack test16:07
slaweqI didn't have time to look at it yet - sorry16:07
slaweqI will do it this week16:08
slaweq#action slaweq will check failed SG fullstack test16:08
slaweqand the last one was: ihar will check if job output are indexed in logstash16:08
slaweqbut I think ihar is not here now16:08
slaweqdo You know if he did something with that?16:08
jlibosvahe did and he showed me a patch that should fix it16:08
jlibosvasec16:08
mlavalleyeah, I remember him mentioning something in the Neutron channel16:09
jlibosvathis https://review.openstack.org/#/c/562042/16:09
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jlibosvathe py35 job is failing with http://logs.openstack.org/42/562042/2/check/tox-py35-on-zuul/1288651/job-output.txt.gz#_2018-04-23_17_05_56_54458816:10
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jlibosvaclarkb: hi, we're looking at your patch ^^ is this py35 failure legitimate or some intermittent issue?16:11
jlibosvaseems like clarkb is not here :) slaweq I think we can move on, we have some eyes on it :)16:12
mlavallehe'll show up16:12
clarkbya I'm lurking16:12
slaweqjlibosva: ok, thx for update about it16:12
mlavallesee16:12
jlibosva\o/16:12
slaweqhi clarkb :)16:12
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mlavalleuncanny ability to know where he is needed16:12
clarkboh that one. The problem was actually elsewhere (I think I should still fix the consistency problem though)16:13
clarkbI believe we are indexing neutron jobs properly for a few days now /me digs up the actual fix16:13
clarkbwould be good if you can double check though16:13
clarkbhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/562070/ was the fix16:14
jlibosvaI'll check, thanks clarkb :)16:14
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slaweqclarkb: from quick check it looks that it's working fine16:16
slaweqthx16:16
slaweqok, that was all actions from previous week16:17
slaweq#topic Grafana16:17
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slaweqhttp://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate16:17
slaweqlooking for last 7 days, there was one spike at 22.04 where many jobs was failing 100%16:19
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slaweqbut as all jobs were dropped down in same time also, I suppose it was something not related to neutron directly :)16:19
slaweqthere is problem with one periodic job but I will talk about it later16:20
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slaweqand also we had quite high failure rate for functional tests last week16:20
njohnstonand the 100% peak happens right before a one-hour discontinuity so I bet there was a problem elsewhere16:20
slaweqnjohnston++16:20
slaweqfunctional tests, as I checked few failures was caused by problem with blink firewall which jlibosva already fixed :)16:21
slaweqso that should be good now16:22
slaweqdo You see there anything worth mentioning also? :)16:22
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jlibosvathe tempest-plugin-dvr-multinode is at 36%, is it all because of the trunk tests failing occasionally?16:23
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slaweqjlibosva: yes, I have that for one of next topics :)16:24
jlibosvaok16:24
jlibosvasorry :)16:24
slaweqno problem :)16:24
mlavallejumping the gun, jlibosva ;-)16:25
slaweqso let's talk about scenario jobs now16:25
slaweq#topic Scenarios16:25
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slaweqas jlibosva pointed, neutron-tempest-plugin-dvr-multinode-scenario is still around 40% of failures.16:25
slaweqand I checked failures from about last 2 days16:25
slaweqI found 2 culprits:16:26
slaweq* neutron_tempest_plugin.scenario.test_trunk.TrunkTest.test_trunk_subport_lifecycle - happens more often, like:16:26
slaweq    * http://logs.openstack.org/03/560703/7/check/neutron-tempest-plugin-dvr-multinode-scenario/1f67afd/logs/testr_results.html.gz16:26
slaweq    * http://logs.openstack.org/17/553617/19/check/neutron-tempest-plugin-dvr-multinode-scenario/a13a6fd/logs/testr_results.html.gz16:26
slaweq    * http://logs.openstack.org/84/533284/5/check/neutron-tempest-plugin-dvr-multinode-scenario/1c09aa6/logs/testr_results.html.gz16:26
slaweqand second neutron_tempest_plugin.scenario.test_trunk.TrunkTest.test_subport_connectivity - which happens less frequent, like:16:26
slaweq    * http://logs.openstack.org/90/545490/9/check/neutron-tempest-plugin-dvr-multinode-scenario/c1ed535/logs/testr_results.html.gz16:26
slaweqI didn't found any other failures of this job in last few days16:27
slaweqjlibosva: is this related to what You were debugging already?16:27
mlavalleso yeah, mostly TrunkTest16:27
jlibosvaslaweq: yes but I didn't get far yet16:27
jlibosvaslaweq: I mostly tried to get a reproducer16:27
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slaweqjlibosva: I can help and take a look on logs if You want16:29
slaweqmaybe we will find something16:29
jlibosvaslaweq: I welcome any help I can get a):16:29
slaweqis there any bug related to it reported already?16:29
jlibosva:)16:29
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jlibosvaI don't think there is16:30
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slaweqso I will report it today16:30
slaweqfine?16:30
jlibosvaok16:30
slaweq#action slaweq will report bug about failing trunk tests in dvr multinode scenario16:31
slaweqmaybe we should also mark those tests are unstable until we will fix it?16:31
slaweqwhat do You think about that?16:31
jlibosvayep, makes sense16:31
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jlibosvawe know the failure rate of it now so let's disable it16:31
slaweqmlavalle: ok with that?16:32
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mlavalleyeah, that's ok16:32
slaweqok16:32
slaweqjlibosva: will You do it or should I after I will create a bug report?16:32
jlibosvaslaweq: I can do it if you want16:32
slaweqsure, thx16:33
slaweq#action jlibosva will mark trunk scenario tests as unstable for now16:33
slaweqthx16:33
slaweqspeaking about other scenario jobs, IMO all is quite fine16:33
slaweqno any urgent problems which I'm aware of :)16:34
mlavallecool16:34
slaweqso I think we can move on to next topic16:35
slaweq#topic Fullstack16:35
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slaweqI know that there is still this issue with SG tests sometimes and I will check it16:35
slaweqbut it's not very common failure and fullstack tests are mostly fine16:36
slaweqin gate queue fullstack is at 0% for most of the time even :)16:36
jlibosvathat's so great :)16:36
slaweqI wanted to mention 2 things related to fullstack also:16:36
jlibosvareally great job slaweq for making it work!16:36
slaweqjlibosva: it wasn't only me :)16:36
njohnston+10016:37
slaweqgreat job of the team16:37
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slaweqso I wanted to mention that jlibosva did a patch with new firewall test: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/563159/ which waits for reviews :)16:37
njohnstonchecking it out16:38
slaweqand second thing, I reported "bug" https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1765519 to add fullstack test which will cover API operations on shared networks16:38
openstackLaunchpad bug 1765519 in neutron "Add fullstack tests for shared networks API" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq)16:38
slaweqwe had such tests in tempest but we had to remove them from tempest16:38
slaweqso now there are only UT for it16:38
slaweqdo You think it is reasonable to add such fullstack tests? or it's wasting of time maybe?16:39
jlibosvaI think it's worth it to prevent regressions16:40
mlavalleI think so16:40
jlibosvasince we have fullstack voting, it's a legitimate testing framework now16:40
slaweqok, if I have 2 votes for it, I will do it :) Thx16:40
slaweqdo You have anything to add regarding to fullstack?16:41
jlibosvanope16:41
slaweqso, next topic16:42
slaweq#topic Rally16:42
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slaweqrally is still between 10 and 30% of failures16:42
slaweqas I checked few recent failures, it's always because of global timeout reached, like:16:42
slaweq* http://logs.openstack.org/24/558724/11/check/neutron-rally-neutron/d891678/job-output.txt.gz16:43
slaweq* http://logs.openstack.org/90/545490/9/check/neutron-rally-neutron/9de921a/job-output.txt.gz16:43
slaweqso maybe it could be worth to check report a bug and check why it takes so long sometimes?16:43
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mlavalleyes16:43
mlavallewith the infra team, I guess16:43
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slaweqor maybe it's always very close to the limit and we just should increase it?16:44
mlavallewhy not give it a try?16:44
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slaweqdo we have any volunteer to check that? :)16:44
slaweqif not, I can check it16:45
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mlavalleslaweq: if you are out of bandwidth, let me know and I can help16:45
slaweqok, I will check how long it takes for "ok" runs and will report a bug for that16:45
slaweqthx mlavalle :)16:46
slaweqI think I will have time to check it :)16:46
mlavalleok16:46
slaweq#action slaweq to check rally timeouts and report a bug about that16:46
slaweqok, next topic16:47
slaweq#topic Periodic16:47
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slaweqwe have one job failing since few days again16:47
slaweqit's neutron-dynamic-routing-dsvm-tempest-with-ryu-master-scenario-ipv416:47
slaweqexample of failure: http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/git.openstack.org/openstack/neutron-dynamic-routing/master/neutron-dynamic-routing-dsvm-tempest-with-ryu-master-scenario-ipv4/708499c/job-output.txt.gz16:47
slaweqIMO possible culprit: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/560465/ but I didn’t check it deeply so it might be only trigger for some other failure in fact :)16:47
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slaweqany ideas?16:50
haleybslaweq: that probably is causing the failure since it changed that code16:50
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haleybi'm not sure if federico is on irc16:51
slaweqhe is probably offline16:52
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slaweqok, I will report a bug for that and will try to catch him on irc16:52
haleybi can take a look and/or ping him instead of reverting16:52
haleybyou win :)16:52
slaweqhaleyb: ok :)16:52
haleybit's periodic so non-voting right?16:53
slaweqyes, it's periodic job for neutron-dynamic-routing16:53
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slaweqso I don't think it is very urgent but still should be fixed somehow :)16:54
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haleybyes, agreed16:54
slaweq#action slaweq will report a bug and talk with Federico about issue with neutron-dynamic-routing-dsvm-tempest-with-ryu-master-scenario-ipv416:54
slaweqfor other periodic jobs it's working fine16:54
slaweqfailures which we had during last week wasn't related to neutron16:55
slaweqI think we can move to last topic finally :)16:55
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slaweq#topic others16:55
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slaweqJust if someone missed it, I wanted to mention that we had issue with stable/queens jobs during last week: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/176500816:56
openstackLaunchpad bug 1765008 in tripleo "Tempest API tests failing for stable/queens branch" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Gabriele Cerami (gcerami)16:56
slaweqit should be already fixed16:56
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slaweqthere is also patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/562364/ proposed to avoid such regressions16:57
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slaweqIIUC with this patch we will run jobs for both neutron master and stable/queens branches for each patch in neutron-tempest-plugin repo16:57
slaweqand we will have to remember to add same set of jobs for next stable branches in future16:58
mlavallepike also?16:58
slaweqno16:58
slaweqpike and ocata are using old tempest tests from neutron repo16:58
slaweqso are not affected16:58
slaweqonly master and queens are running tempest tests from neutron-tempest-plugin repo16:58
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slaweqok, as we are almost out of time, I think we can end meeting now16:59
slaweqthanks everyone for attending17:00
slaweqand see You next week :)17:00
slaweqbye17:00
jlibosvathanks, bye o/17:00
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corvushi!19:00
fungimmmmeeting19:00
clarkbhello19:00
clarkb#startmeeting infra19:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 24 19:01:35 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'infra'19:01
clarkb#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting19:01
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clarkbianw has an apologies entry at the top of the agenda, I don't think ianw is going to be attending the meeting due to holiday in australia but I think that is related to the dib changes realted to initramfs generation?19:03
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clarkbI'll assume that is what it is and no apology necessary, we got it sorted out if not fully debugged and are functional again19:03
clarkb#topic Announcements19:03
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corvusi read that as 'apologies for absence'19:03
clarkboh that may be what it is19:03
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clarkbin which case no apology necessary either :P19:04
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* corvus apologizes for absinthe19:05
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clarkbAs for announcements, a TC election has just started. If youa are eligible to vote please don't forget to do so19:05
clarkbyou should have an email in your inbox with a unique voting url. If you don't have one and expected one you can reach out to the election officials to help debug that19:05
clarkb#topic Actions from last meeting19:06
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clarkb#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-04-17-19.01.txt minutes from last meeting19:06
pabelangerhello19:06
clarkbno actions recorded19:07
clarkb#topics Specs approval19:07
clarkb#topic Specs approval19:07
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clarkb#link https://review.openstack.org/563849 Direction for third party CI tooling19:08
clarkbthis is a spec that ianw pushed up recently that is the output of a previous meeting. I don't think its ready for approval yet but wanted to point it out since we were talking about thsi in previous zuul and infra meetings19:08
clarkbif you get a moment review of that would be helpful19:09
clarkb#topic Priority Efforts19:09
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clarkbfungi: Anything new from the land of storyboard?19:09
fungiaside from prepping for barbican migration scheduled for friday, nothing new on my end yet19:10
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fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/564047 Add Barbican to StoryBoard19:10
clarkb#topic Modernizing Control Plane Management19:11
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clarkbcmurphy has done some great work to revitalize the puppet stuff necessary to update. There is a new spec too19:11
clarkbor rather an updated spec19:11
clarkb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449933/ Upgrade to puppet 419:11
clarkbI haven't seen an updated ansiblification spec nor mordred's container spec yet19:12
clarkbpabelanger: mordred ^ it would be helpful to get those up soon as I think at laest on the puppet side we are ready to give it a proper consideration19:12
cmurphyalso proposed moving mordred's old puppet 4 spec out of the help wanted section https://review.openstack.org/#/c/563592/19:12
pabelangerclarkb: ack, will make time tomorrow19:13
clarkbif we get those specs all up this week I'll send email to the infra list and point them all out so that we can work on reviewing and reading them prior to next weeks meeting19:14
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clarkb(we can also use that thread for communicating about this as well)19:14
clarkbI'll have to see where mordred is at too to see if that is still planned19:14
clarkb(I think he is traveling in italy or something for a pycon)19:14
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clarkbcmurphy: considering you've been pushing on this anything else worth adding?19:15
cmurphyi don't think so19:15
cmurphywill probably be able to close out https://review.openstack.org/#/c/563592/ soonish19:15
clarkbcool, lets aim for next week having concrete comparison then. Thank you for helping on this19:15
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clarkb#topic General Topics19:16
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clarkbQuick status update on pip10 situation. It happened once, then sort of happened again once our images updated late last week19:16
clarkbpeople seem to be aware of the general problem though and have been addressing it in projects as necessary19:17
fungifallout was less serious than i anticipated19:17
clarkbThis reminds me, that we should probably do a glance over of infra's deployment logs to ensure we aren't hitting it anywhere in our deployments (I can work on doing that)19:17
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corvusso, other than devstack, is everything using pip10 now?19:17
corvusin jobs19:17
fungiafaik, yes19:18
clarkbits definitely what you get by default on our images19:18
clarkbI'm not sure if other deployment testing tooling has had similar problems and if they have pinned19:18
fungiif some teams are overriding it in their in-repo job configs, we likely won't find out19:18
pabelangeryah, a few hiccups with centos-7, but think they've been all fixed by ianw19:18
clarkb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/561426 Devstack psutil fix19:18
clarkb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/562884 devstack workarounds19:19
clarkb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/562937 Devstack don't install numpy19:19
clarkb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/561597/9 Devstack use pip1019:19
corvusand it seems like ianw is advocating for fixing the 3 things pip10 breaks in devstack and leaving it as-is, rather than clarkb's put-it-all-in-a-venv idea?19:19
clarkbcorvus: I think for the short term that is the suggestion.19:19
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clarkbcorvus: on my put it all in a venv idea ianw has asked that we get broader consensus since it will affect all the things19:20
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corvusclarkb: like plugins, etc?19:20
clarkbalso brought up the idea of running it by the TC so I've added it to the TC's office hours discussion topics list19:20
clarkbcorvus: exactly19:20
fungilonger-term, the venv solution seems like nice future proofind19:20
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fungiproofing19:20
fungisince we don't know when the next dep will get added that conflicts with something distro-installed19:20
funginor whether we can make the same compromises on other platforms the devstack team might want to extend support for19:21
clarkbfungi: or if pip11 will be more aggressive in this upstream position19:21
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corvusclarkb: didn't you have a ml post?19:21
fungithere was indeed19:21
fungiwith basically nobody replynig19:22
clarkbya that came up when I talked to doug briefly about it19:22
corvuswell, clarkb knows i support it; i didn't think it needed a +1 from me, but i'd be happy to reply with that if it would help19:22
clarkbcorvus: ya it might be good to have someone other than me explain why they think it would be a good idea too :)19:23
corvuswhat i can't really weigh in on is the impact to plugins; i understand that less.19:23
clarkbI think the fear is that we know it will make people's lives more difficult near term and no one wants to have the crwods wrath sent their way19:23
clarkbso better to at least make sure we make the right decsions when we do that and point to the reasoning19:23
pabelanger+119:24
fungimaybe making the venv codepath optional via a toggle which we warn teams we'll be throwing at the start of the stein cycle?19:24
clarkbfungi: ya I have to make it option for grenade support anyways19:25
fungifewer torches and pitchforks maybe19:25
clarkbfungi: so maybe thats a good first step, get the support in but leave it off by default19:25
clarkbturn it on in some jobs, warn people to test it and flip going forward19:25
corvusclarkb: is there a path to support grenade eventually?19:25
corvusclarkb: (like, after the toggle is in both sides of a grenade test, grenade can use it?)19:25
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pabelangerclarkb: we should atleast have some jobs running it, since we did have USE_VENV but was completely broken19:25
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clarkbcorvus: yes, one option is to backport it to all the old devstack and support grenade the same way in all envs. We would merge the feature to all devstack branches first, but not enabled it. Merge usage and enabling of feature to all grenade branches. Then enable it in devstack by default19:26
clarkb(this is necessary to avoid force merging)19:26
clarkbcorvus: exactly19:26
corvusclarkb: cool19:26
clarkbthe other is we roll forward and have feature in master (rocky) today then only use it in rocky -> stein upgrades and so on19:26
clarkbI think ^^ leaves us open to greande jobs and older devstack jobs running on stable branches breaking due to reasons fungi pointed out19:27
clarkband its probably best to just get it addressed across the board19:27
corvusyeah, though less likely on stable branches19:27
corvuseither way, the plans are compatible -- it's mostly a matter of how fast we do it :)19:27
fungiyeah, pip is one of the few deps we shouldn't really be trying to pin, even on stable branches19:27
clarkbcorvus: yup19:27
fungibut we should pick our battles19:28
fungigetting things working safely for master can be first priority19:28
clarkbI also think that now that dust is settling and people have had a few days to understand the underlying problem rather than just make jobs work as fast as possible we can better discuss long term direction19:28
clarkb(I think the pre release discussions suffered from this problem, we said it was an issue and would break us but until it did it was low priority)19:29
clarkbThe other two items on the agenda are the Third party CI spec which I broght up earlier. Ianw asking for early feedback on it.19:30
clarkbAnd DIB, Xenial, and rackspace problems19:30
fungii think the warnings we provided ahead of time, even if partly ignored, helped19:30
clarkbOne of the problems with the pip10 rollout was we had paused xenial image builds because they stopped booting on rax19:30
clarkbwe traced this back to a change made in dib to rebuild the initramfs at the end of the job which broke udev and glean and system cooperating to produce working networking at least on rax19:31
pabelangeryah, still haven't really figured out why glean stopped working19:31
fungithat was mostly unfortunate coincidence, but it did end up masking/delaying some issues19:31
clarkbThat change was reverted in dib but we should likely work to figure that out because it was made to fixing an lvm based image problem19:31
clarkbif you have knowledge of the initramfs and udev and glean and systemd your help would be much appreciated19:31
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clarkbI think I've had to declare bankruptcy on getting normally scheduled work operations done ~twice in the last week or so19:33
clarkbits been fun :)19:33
clarkbunfortunately the wrong kind of fun19:33
clarkbI think that is about it.19:34
clarkb#topic open discussion19:34
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clarkbWhat did I miss?19:34
pabelangerI could use a few more reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:debian-stable+status:open to help finalize the removal of debian-jessie from nodepool. I'll then start the process to clean up AFS mirrors19:35
corvuswell, you didn't miss this -- but clarkb, jlvillal, and i had a chat earlier and jlvillal is interested in helping on the gerritbot portion of the limnoria spec -- so i've created a feature/limnoria branch of gerritbot, jlvillal will start making a gerritbot limnoria plugin there, and later this week, i'll start on the puppet to install/run limnoria on eavesdrop.19:36
pabelangerand mostly a FYI: been pushing on the removal of old jenkins based scripts from bindep: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bindep.txt+status:open all in the effort to help move bindep.txt in tree for projects. That allows us to then remove bindep-fallback.txt in 2 cycles19:36
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corvusthere's *plenty* of opportunity for parallel work on that spec -- each of our bots should be converted at a minimum, and there's some new plugins to write.19:36
clarkbright since the bots work as plugins to the central framework we don't need to produce them serially19:37
pabelangerlastly, ubuntu-bionic release is this week. So we should keep an eye out for projects wanting to gate on it.19:37
clarkbpabelanger: thursday is official day right?19:37
pabelangerclarkb: yah19:37
clarkbthankfully bionic is a lot less dramatic of an update for server users I expect19:37
clarkbthe big chagne is all on the desktop side of the world19:37
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pabelangeryup, we are in really good shape this time around19:38
corvuspabelanger: we're carrying around 'legacy' stuff a bit longer than i'd like, but since devstack/tempest are still evolving a little, i suppose it's good to maintain it for a bit longer. ++19:38
fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/557979 work is also progressing on the limesurvey implementation19:38
fungii'm hoping to have time to take the latest patchset for a spin tomorrow19:38
corvusmaybe we can set a cycle goal for stein or something to remove all legacy jobs19:38
pabelangercorvus: yah, I think stein might work.19:39
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fungiyes, elimination of legacy imported job definitions might make for a nice cross-project goal19:39
pabelangerthe bindep changes didn't get much push back, and our bindep role was a nice noop, which made it nice and easy!19:40
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clarkbdo we want to have 19 minutes back to eat lunch or have an afternoon snack or find breakfast or eat dinner?19:41
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corvusor all of the above?19:41
fungii need to heat up the wok for some shrimp fried rice, so would welcome a few spare minutes ;)19:42
clarkbmmm breakfast for dinner during afternoon snack time19:42
clarkbalright, if there is anything else feel free to find us on the infra mailing list or in #openstack-infra19:42
funginot sure whether it's lunch or dinner, but it'll be tasty either way19:42
clarkbthank you everyone19:42
fungithanks clarkb!19:42
clarkb#endmeeting19:42
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