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| sagara | Hi | 04:00 |
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| samP | Hi all for masakari | 04:00 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | Hi | 04:00 |
| tpatil | Hi | 04:00 |
| samP | Can someone start the meeting? I will be bit late today. | 04:00 |
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| tpatil | Ok | 04:01 |
| tpatil | #startmeeting Masakari | 04:01 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks | 04:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 3 04:01:33 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tpatil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Masakari)" | 04:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:01 |
| tpatil | #topic Bugs | 04:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: Masakari)" | 04:02 | |
| tpatil | Any new bugs reported in the last week? | 04:03 |
| tpatil | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546492/13 | 04:04 |
| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: does above patch works for all supported versions? | 04:05 |
| tpatil | I mean openstacksdk versions | 04:06 |
| rkmrHonjo | Ah, please wait... | 04:06 |
| tpatil | Recently this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555710/ is merged which adds instance_ha service support in openstacksdk | 04:08 |
| tpatil | So we will need to remove the sdk code from masakariclient | 04:09 |
| tpatil | Who will submit patch to remove that code? | 04:09 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: We can submit that patch. | 04:09 |
| rkmrHonjo | s/We/I/ | 04:10 |
| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: Thanks | 04:10 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557634/ | 04:10 |
| rkmrHonjo | And, this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546492/13 works with openstack-sdk containing instance-ha code. | 04:10 |
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| rkmrHonjo | So we should wait to merge until releasing new version of openstack-sdk and bumping lower version of openstakc-sdk. | 04:11 |
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| tpatil | can you please add the required info in the commit message? | 04:12 |
| rkmrHonjo | ok. I or Takahara will add it. | 04:12 |
| tpatil | Thanks | 04:12 |
| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: Going forward, masakari-dashboard should use openstacksdk to call masakari API instead of masakariclient, correct? | 04:14 |
| rkmrHonjo | Probably right. But, sorry, I don't know about the detail of masakari-dashboard. | 04:15 |
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| tpatil | niraj_singh: have you tried applying this openstack instance_ha patch to test masakari-dashobard? | 04:16 |
| tpatil | #link :https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555710/ | 04:17 |
| niraj_singh | yes. but test cases still not wroking in my env. | 04:17 |
| niraj_singh | should i need to create connection through openstacksdk now? | 04:18 |
| tpatil | niraj_singh: Yes, of course | 04:18 |
| niraj_singh | ok, i will try and let you know. | 04:19 |
| tpatil | ok | 04:20 |
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| tpatil | #topic Discussion points | 04:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion points (Meeting topic: Masakari)" | 04:21 | |
| tpatil | recovery method customization | 04:21 |
| tpatil | No progress yet | 04:21 |
| tpatil | Ansible support for Masakari | 04:21 |
| tpatil | niraj_singh: Any updates? | 04:22 |
| niraj_singh | masakari-api and masakari-engine are installed successfully. | 04:22 |
| niraj_singh | Also uploaded patch specs patch for community review. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556756/ | 04:22 |
| tpatil | there is -1 on the specs, anything you need from our end to address their concerns | 04:23 |
| niraj_singh | yes | 04:23 |
| niraj_singh | My first concern about the role. can we create 2 roles for masakari and masakari-monitors? | 04:24 |
| tpatil | niraj_singh: why do you need two roles? | 04:25 |
| niraj_singh | beacause masakari and masakari-monitors are two different project. | 04:26 |
| niraj_singh | And as per my reference understanding there is no role which implemented two role. | 04:27 |
| niraj_singh | means two project | 04:27 |
| tpatil | do you need to provide reference of the repo to download the code or release? can't it be done for two project in one role | 04:27 |
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| niraj_singh | yes i need to provide reference of the repo to download the code. | 04:28 |
| tpatil | Are you facing any problems if you want to include both these projects in one role? | 04:28 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | There is a significance of having two different roles I think. It depends on the "dependency" between those two projects. Need to check documentation. | 04:29 |
| niraj_singh | yes.. i still dont know how it works with two project in single role. | 04:29 |
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| tpatil | niraj_singh: if it's possible to add everything in one role, I think it's great. but if there are any constraints design-wise then adding it in two roles should also work | 04:31 |
| tpatil | but I request you to figure out if it can be done with any problems in a single role | 04:31 |
| tpatil | without | 04:31 |
| niraj_singh | ok. i will do it today. | 04:31 |
| tpatil | Do you have any other concerns? | 04:31 |
| tpatil | or questions? | 04:32 |
| niraj_singh | yes about the test cases. | 04:32 |
| niraj_singh | There is no tempest test case in masakari. | 04:32 |
| niraj_singh | So ansible member suggested me to start by testing the API responses codes. | 04:32 |
| niraj_singh | I gone through tacker role. They just checked is tacker api is rechable or not by checking the response code return after hitting the htts://localhost:{port} | 04:33 |
| tpatil | ok, you can call versioning api to confirm this point | 04:33 |
| tpatil | but how to confirm masakari-engine and masakari-monitors are installed properly? | 04:34 |
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| niraj_singh | i am working on it. | 04:35 |
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| tpatil | masakari-engine comes into picture only for processing notifications | 04:35 |
| niraj_singh | Is there any suggession about it. | 04:35 |
| niraj_singh | yes | 04:36 |
| tpatil | niraj_singh: To test masakari-engine is process notification successfully, we need some mechanisms to shutdown nova-compute host | 04:36 |
| niraj_singh | ok. | 04:37 |
| tpatil | this way, you can confirm masakari-monitor and masakari-engine are installed properly and it's functioning as expected | 04:37 |
| niraj_singh | ok | 04:37 |
| tpatil | Moving ahead | 04:38 |
| tpatil | Call Force down API when host-failure will be notified | 04:38 |
| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: Any update? | 04:38 |
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| rkmrHonjo | Sorry, nothing. | 04:39 |
| tpatil | ok | 04:39 |
| tpatil | #topic Masakari Project mascot | 04:40 |
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| tpatil | I haven't heard anything from Sampath yet about the decision on mascot | 04:40 |
| tpatil | Let's wait for Sampath reply | 04:41 |
| tpatil | #topic Masakari Rocky Work Items | 04:42 |
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| tpatil | Run masakari api service using uwsgi | 04:42 |
| tpatil | Most of the projects uses uwsgi, so we should also do the same | 04:43 |
| tpatil | Can this be done without specs? | 04:43 |
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| tpatil | I don't think it requires specs. If no one has any objection, then I will propose code changes directly | 04:45 |
| tpatil | Is any of the items in the Rocky etherpad not discussed here? | 04:46 |
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| tpatil | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/masakari-rocky-work-items | 04:47 |
| tpatil | Many of the items were discussed two weeks back | 04:47 |
| tpatil | Ok, if you want to discuss any new features you are planning for Rocky, please bring it on in the next week meeting | 04:49 |
| tpatil | we have 10 more mins remaining | 04:50 |
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| tpatil | Any questions? | 04:50 |
| niraj_singh | tpatil:no | 04:51 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | Nothing from my side. | 04:51 |
| tpatil | Let's end this meeting. Thank all for participation | 04:52 |
| tpatil | #endmeeting | 04:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 3 04:52:11 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2018/masakari.2018-04-03-04.01.html | 04:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2018/masakari.2018-04-03-04.01.txt | 04:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2018/masakari.2018-04-03-04.01.log.html | 04:52 |
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| gongysh | #startmeeting tacker | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 3 08:00:24 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 08:00 |
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| gongysh | #topic roll call | 08:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:01 | |
| longkb__ | o/ | 08:01 |
| longkb__ | Hi everyone | 08:01 |
| gongysh | longkb__, hi | 08:01 |
| longkb__ | hi gongysh | 08:01 |
| phuoc | hi | 08:01 |
| keiko | o/ | 08:02 |
| joxyuki | hi team | 08:02 |
| gongysh | helo, phuoc joxyuki | 08:02 |
| longkb__ | hi phuoc | 08:02 |
| phuoc | o/ | 08:03 |
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| gongysh | #topic bp | 08:04 |
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| gongysh | phuoc, your kuryr k8s bp | 08:05 |
| phuoc | yes | 08:05 |
| haint_ | o/ | 08:05 |
| phuoc | I will revise it and upload a patch set in tacker in this week | 08:05 |
| gongysh | the difference and change between pure k8s and kuryr k8s is yet to made clear. | 08:06 |
| phuoc | I saw your comments about it | 08:06 |
| phuoc | thanks a lot | 08:06 |
| gongysh | haint_. the mistral action patches | 08:07 |
| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486924/ | 08:07 |
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| gongysh | you have said you are looking into the action part, that's fine, thanks. | 08:08 |
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| haint_ | yes, I rewrite the update status of VNF in call action: http://paste.openstack.org/show/718234/ | 08:08 |
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| haint_ | it is shorter, now, find the way to call the action part | 08:08 |
| gongysh | trin is on sick leave. so we will skip the web studio bp part. | 08:08 |
| haint_ | are we now only working on the call_vnf_policy_action(), gongysh? | 08:09 |
| haint_ | is the other part ok? | 08:09 |
| gongysh | haint_, policy is divided into two parts: one is monitoring and another is action to trigger. | 08:10 |
| gongysh | monitoring is in mistral, action part is in conductor. | 08:10 |
| gongysh | we still have httping monitoring. | 08:11 |
| haint_ | if the VNF status is DEAD, it will call the action part, is is right? | 08:11 |
| gongysh | for the action, we have respawn, log, etc. | 08:11 |
| hyunsikyang | Hello!:) i am late today. | 08:12 |
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| haint_ | ah, still have more works. | 08:12 |
| gongysh | haint_, that depends on the policy: if the policy is: failure: respawn, that is the way. | 08:12 |
| haint_ | I understand now. | 08:12 |
| longkb__ | hi hyunsikyang | 08:13 |
| haint_ | if you have time, please also help me to finish this | 08:13 |
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| gongysh | we can wait. but hope you can finish it in p1 with :ping monitor and respawn action. | 08:14 |
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| gongysh | we can refactor it into other monitor: such as httpping | 08:14 |
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| haint_ | yes, i will do that first. | 08:15 |
| gongysh | keiko, joxyuki , hi | 08:15 |
| keiko | hi | 08:15 |
| joxyuki | hi | 08:15 |
| longkb__ | gongysh, please keep reviewing my cluster patch set. There are still some nits, I will revise my patch set now. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/529808/ | 08:15 |
| gongysh | do you have any update about your stuff? | 08:15 |
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| joxyuki | gongysh, now we are still working to write our specs, reservatin feature and affinity policy feature | 08:16 |
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| gongysh | joxyuki. ok | 08:17 |
| gongysh | joxyuki, for reservation, please refer to etsi related parts. | 08:17 |
| gongysh | longkb__, hi | 08:17 |
| longkb__ | hi gongysh | 08:17 |
| joxyuki | gongysh, yes | 08:18 |
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| gongysh | I have commented on cluster spec | 08:18 |
| gongysh | we need to make the feature multiple vim compatible | 08:18 |
| joxyuki | I will submit my spec of reservation next week, please review it. | 08:18 |
| gongysh | joxyuki, sure. | 08:19 |
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| gongysh | I think those are all for our bp parts. | 08:20 |
| gongysh | #topic open discussion. | 08:20 |
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| gongysh | anything to talk? | 08:21 |
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| longkb__ | Oh, I missed your comment. But I think I should finish cluster feature for single VIM firstly | 08:21 |
| hyunsikyang | can i re-submit the port monitoring driver ? | 08:21 |
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| haint_ | mistral spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557376/, just modify a little bit, please review it | 08:21 |
| hyunsikyang | last time, i submitted, but at that time, tacker didn't support VNFC(application) | 08:21 |
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| hyunsikyang | so i will update it! | 08:21 |
| haint_ | bug 1751433, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557728/, about | 08:21 |
| openstack | bug 1751433 in tacker "vnffgd-create cannot load the 'description'" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1751433 - Assigned to Nguyen Hai (nguyentrihai93) | 08:21 |
| haint_ | Fix create_vnffgd cannot get description from TOSCA file | 08:21 |
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| haint_ | about vnffgd, there is no reason why we should have 2 description lines in the template, so the patch below fixed it. | 08:23 |
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| haint_ | https://docs.openstack.org/tacker/latest/contributor/vnffgd_template_description.html, also in the vnffgd_template_description, it didn't show the 'description' under 'topology_template' | 08:25 |
| gongysh | haint_, so you mean description should not under topology_template? | 08:25 |
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| haint_ | yes it is | 08:26 |
| haint_ | the patch fixed two problems: one is cannot load description, two is delete redundant 'description' line under topology_template | 08:26 |
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| gongysh | http://docs.oasis-open.org/tosca/tosca-nfv/v1.0/tosca-nfv-v1.0.html | 08:27 |
| mardim | hello guys | 08:27 |
| mardim | soory I was afk | 08:27 |
| gongysh | The service template example of the above VNFD is showing as follow | 08:27 |
| gongysh | please look at that sample. | 08:28 |
| gongysh | the above is under sample. | 08:28 |
| gongysh | The service template example for VDU C is showing as follow. | 08:28 |
| gongysh | it is an above sample | 08:29 |
| haint_ | yes, but it is for VDU only | 08:29 |
| haint_ | in case of VNFFGD, i cannot see any template with description under the topology_template | 08:29 |
| haint_ | and I don't understand why we should have two 'description' lines. | 08:30 |
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| gongysh | do you have any tosca vnffgd type definition in tosca standard community to read the description is above topology_template? | 08:31 |
| haint_ | the | 08:32 |
| haint_ | tosca_definitions_version of VNFD is tosca_simple_yaml_1_0 | 08:32 |
| haint_ | VNFFD is tosca_definitions _version: tosca_simple_profile_for_nfv_1_0 | 08:32 |
| haint_ | I mentioned on the link http://docs.oasis-open.org/tosca/tosca-nfv/v1.0/csd04/tosca-nfv-v1.0-csd04.html | 08:33 |
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| gongysh | haint_, I cannot see any vnffgd at that doc. | 08:35 |
| haint_ | the final example in that link | 08:36 |
| haint_ | below "Figure 6.1-2 example of VDU substitution mappings" | 08:36 |
| haint_ | I will find out more and comment on the patch. | 08:37 |
| gongysh | haint_, if you have tosca type definition, it will help more. | 08:37 |
| haint_ | however, https://docs.openstack.org/tacker/latest/contributor/vnffgd_template_description.html | 08:38 |
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| haint_ | in our docs, it doesn't show the 'description' under 'topology_template' | 08:38 |
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| gongysh | haint_, ok, we can have this change | 08:39 |
| gongysh | anything else, guy? | 08:40 |
| gongysh | anybody? | 08:40 |
| longkb__ | gongysh, I think I should finish cluster feature for single VIM firstly | 08:40 |
| longkb__ | your comment mentioned about multiple VNFD and multiple VIMs | 08:40 |
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| gongysh | longkb__, there were comments about lb's position | 08:41 |
| gongysh | before. | 08:41 |
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| gongysh | I think we should make lb to sit on a given vim. | 08:42 |
| longkb__ | ah, OK. I will update my code to specify lb location | 08:42 |
| gongysh | also, for vnfd on each, vim, our vnfd is different for different vims. | 08:42 |
| gongysh | For a same feature, the vnfd on openstack vim and on k8s vim are different. | 08:43 |
| gongysh | so we need to fill in vnfd name on each vim to cope with multiple vim. | 08:44 |
| longkb__ | But in this spec, I just make it to work with single VIM | 08:44 |
| longkb__ | A multiple VNFD and VIMs could be supported in other spec | 08:44 |
| gongysh | longkb__, we should think furture to avoid the big code change. | 08:44 |
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| gongysh | k8s spec is the one we maybe have to change the previous design. | 08:46 |
| longkb__ | Ah, Ok. I got your point. I will update my code asap | 08:47 |
| gongysh | hyunsikyang, hi | 08:47 |
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| gongysh | helo, anything else? | 08:49 |
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| gongysh | do you guys have finished the summit ppt? | 08:49 |
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| gongysh | phuoc. mardim ? | 08:50 |
| gongysh | mardim. hi | 08:50 |
| mardim | gongysh, hello | 08:50 |
| mardim | I am at the begginign | 08:50 |
| mardim | I didn't have the time to do much | 08:50 |
| mardim | because I had a demo in ONS summit | 08:50 |
| gongysh | have you started our fancy session slides? | 08:50 |
| mardim | last week | 08:50 |
| gongysh | mardim, what demo at ONS summit? | 08:50 |
| mardim | I ve written only two slides | 08:51 |
| mardim | gongysh, for SFC-XCI | 08:51 |
| mardim | I was in LA last week | 08:51 |
| mardim | I had a demo there | 08:51 |
| gongysh | mardim, one picture worths thousands of words. | 08:51 |
| gongysh | SFC-XC? | 08:51 |
| gongysh | what is XC? | 08:51 |
| mardim | gongysh, I will send you picture from the summit in tacker channel after the meeting | 08:52 |
| gongysh | ok, thanks | 08:52 |
| mardim | gongysh, Regarding the Openstack PPT | 08:52 |
| mardim | gongysh, There is no deadline right ? | 08:52 |
| mardim | gongysh, And another thing | 08:52 |
| mardim | gongysh, Are we gonna do a demo ? | 08:53 |
| mardim | with the slides | 08:53 |
| mardim | ? | 08:53 |
| gongysh | mardim, not yet. but we maybe need to do some demo setup | 08:53 |
| gongysh | I think we will have to. | 08:53 |
| mardim | gongysh, ok then if there is no deadline for the PPT | 08:53 |
| mardim | gongysh, I will try to spinup the things regarding PPT | 08:53 |
| gongysh | mardim, maybe you can start writing at google doc | 08:53 |
| mardim | the next weeks | 08:53 |
| gongysh | so we can co-work on it. | 08:54 |
| mardim | gongysh, a google doc about what ? | 08:54 |
| phuoc | gongysh, hi | 08:54 |
| gongysh | about the openstack ppt | 08:54 |
| gongysh | phuoc, hi | 08:54 |
| mardim | ah I ve already have a google doc | 08:54 |
| mardim | let me send you | 08:54 |
| mardim | gongysh, Did you get the URL ? | 08:56 |
| gongysh | got it | 08:56 |
| mardim | gongysh, nice | 08:56 |
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| mardim | yes we can cowork it | 08:56 |
| mardim | that will be nice !! | 08:56 |
| gongysh | phuoc, I will start a project update slides | 08:56 |
| gongysh | at google doc | 08:56 |
| gongysh | so that we can co-work on it. | 08:57 |
| phuoc | gongysh, okie | 08:57 |
| phuoc | I will update on that doc too | 08:57 |
| gongysh | anything else? | 08:57 |
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| haint_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1760256 | 08:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1760256 in tacker "functional tests failed in creation ns and vnf_multiple_vdus" [Undecided,New] | 08:57 |
| mardim | gongysh, no I am god | 08:57 |
| mardim | good* | 08:57 |
| haint_ | we have some fails on functional tests | 08:58 |
| haint_ | should we fix it also | 08:58 |
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| gongysh | haint_, yes. of course we should. but it does not failed definitely. | 08:59 |
| gongysh | so it is not easy to find a solution. | 08:59 |
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| gongysh | it seems it is due to the target vim's resource. | 08:59 |
| haint_ | and 1 more thing, http://paste.openstack.org/show/718239/ | 08:59 |
| phuoc | sometime it passes I see | 08:59 |
| haint_ | how about this error? | 08:59 |
| haint_ | it from this patch set: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556257/ | 09:00 |
| gongysh | ok. time is up | 09:00 |
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| gongysh | #endmeeting | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 3 09:00:15 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2018/tacker.2018-04-03-08.00.html | 09:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2018/tacker.2018-04-03-08.00.txt | 09:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2018/tacker.2018-04-03-08.00.log.html | 09:00 |
| gongysh | lets back to tacker channel. | 09:01 |
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| slaweq | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 3 16:00:30 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:00 | |
| slaweq | hi | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci' | 16:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 16:00 |
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| haleyb | hi | 16:01 |
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| * mlavalle will have to dropout 15 minutes before the top of the hour | 16:01 | |
| slaweq | please give me 5 minutes because I'm stil getting back home (big traffic) | 16:01 |
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| mlavalle | slaweq: no problem | 16:02 |
| slaweq | and I'm on mobile connection now | 16:02 |
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| slaweq | ok, we can start now | 16:07 |
| slaweq | sorry for being late | 16:07 |
| slaweq | but I just get back home from Easter - 500km which I usually do in about 5 hours I did in almost 9 because of traffics | 16:08 |
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| slaweq | ok, are You there? :) | 16:08 |
| slaweq | mlavalle, haleyb? | 16:08 |
| mlavalle | slaweq: hey | 16:08 |
| slaweq | I think that ihrachys and jlibosva are not here now | 16:08 |
| mlavalle | they haven't spoken up | 16:09 |
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| haleyb | i know kuba is at a meetup | 16:09 |
| slaweq | ok, so I think we can start | 16:10 |
| slaweq | #topic Actions from previous meetings | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from previous meetings (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:10 | |
| slaweq | slaweq will write docs how to debug test jobs | 16:10 |
| slaweq | I just pushed first version of patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558537/ | 16:10 |
| slaweq | clarkb reviewed it for me so I will address his comments | 16:10 |
| slaweq | but please check it also :) | 16:11 |
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| slaweq | next one is: haleyb to check router migrations issue | 16:11 |
| slaweq | haleyb: any updates? | 16:11 |
| haleyb | slaweq: i am still testing it, am on the systems now, so no update yet | 16:12 |
| slaweq | ok, so I will do it as action for this week for You | 16:12 |
| slaweq | ok? | 16:12 |
| haleyb | sure | 16:12 |
| slaweq | #action haleyb to check router migrations issue | 16:12 |
| slaweq | next one was: ihrachys to take a look at problem with openstack-tox-py35-with-oslo-master periodic job | 16:13 |
| slaweq | AFAIK it is fixed with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557003/ | 16:13 |
| slaweq | so I think all is fine here now | 16:13 |
| slaweq | so, next: slaweq to make fullstack job gating | 16:14 |
| slaweq | done: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557218/ | 16:14 |
| slaweq | and also grafana dashoboard: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557266/ | 16:14 |
| slaweq | it didn’t appear there yet but as I asked infra team, all looks fine there and probably it should appear when fullstack job will fail at least once - we will see | 16:15 |
| slaweq | About details how it works we can talk later, so no moving on to next action: | 16:16 |
| slaweq | slaweq will check difference between neutron-tempest-multinode-full and neutron-tempest-dvr-ha-multinode-full | 16:16 |
| slaweq | I didn't have time to do it last week | 16:16 |
| mlavalle | what? | 16:16 |
| slaweq | I will do it this week for sure | 16:16 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: what what? | 16:16 |
| slaweq | :) | 16:16 |
| mlavalle | LOL | 16:16 |
| mlavalle | I know youv'e been on vacation | 16:16 |
| slaweq | yes, I was | 16:17 |
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| slaweq | that's why I didn't have time to do this compare of jobs :) | 16:17 |
| slaweq | #action slaweq will check difference between neutron-tempest-multinode-full and neutron-tempest-dvr-ha-multinode-full | 16:18 |
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| slaweq | do You want to add anything/ask about something? | 16:18 |
| slaweq | or can we go to the next topic? | 16:18 |
| mlavalle | I was kidding with you | 16:19 |
| mlavalle | about you not having time on your vacation to do it | 16:19 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: I suppose that :) | 16:19 |
| slaweq | ok, moving on? | 16:20 |
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| slaweq | I assume that we can go to next topic | 16:22 |
| slaweq | #topic Grafana | 16:22 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Grafana (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:22 | |
| slaweq | http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate | 16:22 |
| slaweq | I was checking those graphs from last 7 days today | 16:23 |
| slaweq | There was one big spike on last Thursday but I think that it was some problem with infra because all jobs have same spike there. | 16:23 |
| slaweq | Except that I think that it was pretty quite week. | 16:24 |
| slaweq | *quiet | 16:24 |
| mlavalle | I see fullstack trending up | 16:24 |
| mlavalle | and also Rally | 16:25 |
| slaweq | now yes but it's still not big failure rate | 16:25 |
| slaweq | about rally I have few examples of failures and I want to talk about them in few minutes | 16:26 |
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| mlavalle | ok | 16:26 |
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| slaweq | about fullstack it could be because of me and my DNM patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558259/ | 16:27 |
| slaweq | which fails on fullstack few times today :) | 16:27 |
| slaweq | except that I don't think there is any problem with it | 16:27 |
| slaweq | so we can change topic to fullstack now if we started about it :) | 16:28 |
| slaweq | #topic Fullstack | 16:28 |
| mlavalle | that.s the example for the doc revision you proposed, right? | 16:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Fullstack (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:28 | |
| slaweq | mlavalle: right | 16:28 |
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| slaweq | and this example was failing because of timeout reached | 16:29 |
| slaweq | as I said, fullstack is IMO stable in both queues now (at least I didn't saw any problems with it during last week) | 16:29 |
| slaweq | so I checked also bugs with "fullstack" tag in launchpad | 16:30 |
| slaweq | There is one bug with „fullstack” tag now (except wishlist): https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1744402 | 16:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1744402 in neutron "fullstack security groups test fails because ncat process don't starts" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 16:30 |
| mlavalle | ok, cool | 16:30 |
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| slaweq | this bug is assigned to me - I'm aware of it and I want to check logs if it will happen again | 16:30 |
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| slaweq | as I added some small change to test few days aga: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556155/ | 16:31 |
| slaweq | but I didn't saw it since this patch was merged | 16:31 |
| slaweq | I will keep an eye on it still :) | 16:31 |
| slaweq | do You want to add something about fullstack? | 16:32 |
| mlavalle | no, thanks | 16:33 |
| slaweq | ok | 16:33 |
| slaweq | #topic Scenarios | 16:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Scenarios (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:33 | |
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| slaweq | only problem which we have is neutron-tempest-plugin-dvr-multinode-scenario still on 100% of failures | 16:33 |
| * mlavalle just reviewed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558537. Since manjeets highlighted the entire text, to sse where my comments apply, plese move cursor over comments | 16:34 | |
| slaweq | but that is because of problems with migration | 16:34 |
| slaweq | so haleyb is on that | 16:34 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: ok, thx for review | 16:34 |
| manjeets | mlavalle, sorry for making it little hard to hard review I should have done file comment | 16:35 |
| slaweq | I have question about neutron-tempest-plugin-scenario-linuxbridge - should we maybe try to add it to gate queue also (like fullstack) now? | 16:35 |
| slaweq | wht do You think about that? | 16:36 |
| mlavalle | how long has it been running in check? | 16:36 |
| mlavalle | I mean voting in the check queue? | 16:37 |
| slaweq | It's voting since 14.03: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552689/ | 16:37 |
| mlavalle | mmhhh let's hold for a week | 16:37 |
| slaweq | sure | 16:37 |
| mlavalle | expecially, since last week tended to be quiet, mostly towards the end | 16:38 |
| slaweq | yes, right | 16:38 |
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| slaweq | let's wait and see if it will be fine still | 16:38 |
| slaweq | :) | 16:38 |
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| slaweq | ok, next topic | 16:39 |
| slaweq | #topic Rally | 16:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rally (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:39 | |
| slaweq | as mlavalle shows it has some failures recently | 16:39 |
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| slaweq | so I checked today and found 3 examples of failures from last week | 16:39 |
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| slaweq | all of them were because of reaching global job timeout: | 16:39 |
| slaweq | http://logs.openstack.org/18/558318/1/check/neutron-rally-neutron/fdee864/job-output.txt.gz | 16:40 |
| slaweq | http://logs.openstack.org/84/556584/4/check/neutron-rally-neutron/8a4dc9d/job-output.txt.gz | 16:40 |
| mlavalle | ok, I saw the same with one of my patches | 16:40 |
| slaweq | http://logs.openstack.org/81/552881/8/check/neutron-rally-neutron/fb6fb63/job-output.txt.gz | 16:40 |
| slaweq | in one of those I think it was even stopped after all tests passed | 16:40 |
| slaweq | I think that we should check what takes most time in those jobs and maybe try to speed it up a little bit | 16:41 |
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| slaweq | is there anyone who wants to check that? :) | 16:41 |
| mlavalle | This is the one I saw http://logs.openstack.org/84/556584/4/check/neutron-rally-neutron/8a4dc9d/job-output.txt.gz#_2018-04-03_00_22_53_422472 | 16:42 |
| mlavalle | I don't know if I will have the bandwidth this week, but if nobody will take a look, I will try | 16:42 |
| slaweq | ok, thx | 16:43 |
| mlavalle | hopefully I won't be shamed by slaweq if I don't have time next week | 16:43 |
| slaweq | for sure not :) | 16:43 |
| mlavalle | well, what if you are wearing your Hulk mask? | 16:43 |
| slaweq | #action mlavalle to take a look why rally jobs are taking so long time | 16:43 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: today I don't have it | 16:44 |
| slaweq | but next week - we will see :P | 16:44 |
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| slaweq | ok, let's move on | 16:45 |
| slaweq | #topic Periodic | 16:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Periodic (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:45 | |
| slaweq | openstack-tox-py35-with-oslo-master looks like is fine again - thx ihrachys :) | 16:45 |
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| slaweq | neutron-tempest-postgres-full sometimes has 100% of failures | 16:45 |
| slaweq | I checked logs from last two failures and what I found is: | 16:46 |
| slaweq | once it wasn’t real failure but timeout reached (after all tests passe): http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/git.openstack.org/openstack/neutron/master/neutron-tempest-postgres-full/03ca3f3/job-output.txt.gz | 16:46 |
| slaweq | Another time it was failure not related to neutron: http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/git.openstack.org/openstack/neutron/master/neutron-tempest-postgres-full/d5c0933/job-output.txt.gz#_2018-03-30_07_15_04_817879 | 16:46 |
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| slaweq | IMO if such timeouts will happen more often we should try to check it - for now it was only once so it isn't biggest problem for now | 16:47 |
| slaweq | what You think about it? | 16:48 |
| mlavalle | agree | 16:48 |
| mlavalle | let's keep an eye on it | 16:48 |
| slaweq | yes | 16:48 |
| slaweq | ok, so moving on to last topic | 16:49 |
| slaweq | #topic others | 16:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "others (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:49 | |
| slaweq | I have one more thing to ask | 16:49 |
| slaweq | recently we added new job openstack-tox-lower-constraints | 16:49 |
| slaweq | to our queue | 16:49 |
| slaweq | *queues | 16:49 |
| slaweq | do we want to add it to our grafana dashboard? | 16:50 |
| mlavalle | was request from infra | 16:50 |
| mlavalle | IIRC | 16:50 |
| slaweq | yes, I know - I just wanted to ask if we should add it to grafana :) | 16:50 |
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| slaweq | to have better visibility whats going on with it | 16:50 |
| mlavalle | good point | 16:50 |
| mlavalle | yes | 16:50 |
| slaweq | ok, so I will do it | 16:50 |
| slaweq | #action slaweq will add openstack-tox-lower-constraints to grafana dashboard | 16:51 |
| haleyb | +1 | 16:51 |
| slaweq | and last thing | 16:51 |
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| slaweq | I checked also bugs with tag "gate-failure" on launchpad: https://tinyurl.com/y826rccx | 16:51 |
| slaweq | there is quite many such bugs with "high" priority older than few months and not assigned to anybody | 16:52 |
| slaweq | maybe we should check them and close those which are not a problem anymore | 16:52 |
| slaweq | what do You think? | 16:52 |
| mlavalle | yes, let's do it | 16:52 |
| slaweq | do You want to go through them now? | 16:53 |
| slaweq | or should I do it later maybe? | 16:53 |
| mlavalle | I have to drop out now | 16:53 |
| mlavalle | as I said at the beginning of the meeting | 16:53 |
| slaweq | ok | 16:53 |
| mlavalle | but let's try to do them over the week | 16:53 |
| mlavalle | do you want to partner on that? | 16:54 |
| slaweq | so I will try to check them this week and I will ask if I will need something | 16:54 |
| slaweq | thx a lot :) | 16:54 |
| mlavalle | ok | 16:54 |
| slaweq | so that's all from my side | 16:54 |
| * mlavalle dropping out | 16:54 | |
| slaweq | sorry for being so quick but I was preparing it today in car :) | 16:54 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 16:54 |
| slaweq | bye mlavalle | 16:55 |
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| slaweq | haleyb: do You have anything else? or can we finish few minutes before time? | 16:55 |
| haleyb | i am done, lunch here | 16:55 |
| slaweq | #action slaweq will check old gate-failure bugs | 16:56 |
| slaweq | ok, so bon appetit haleyb :) | 16:56 |
| slaweq | and see You | 16:56 |
| slaweq | #endmeeting | 16:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:56 | |
| haleyb | yes, see you | 16:56 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 3 16:56:44 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2018/neutron_ci.2018-04-03-16.00.html | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2018/neutron_ci.2018-04-03-16.00.txt | 16:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2018/neutron_ci.2018-04-03-16.00.log.html | 16:56 |
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| corvus | o/ | 19:00 |
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| clarkb | Hello infra | 19:01 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 19:01 |
| clarkb | I've been in meetings all morning so forgive me if I start dragging or the brain wheels don't turn too quickly | 19:01 |
| ianw | morning! | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 3 19:01:23 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
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| clarkb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| dmsimard | \o | 19:02 |
| clarkb | Zuul v3 released last week after much hard work by many in this group and others | 19:02 |
| clarkb | so raise a glass of your favorite beverage if you haven't already done so (or do it again!) | 19:02 |
| corvus | thanks everyone! | 19:02 |
| fungi | [and there was much rejoicing] | 19:02 |
| anteaya | congratulations | 19:03 |
| corvus | i will be happy to raise a drink again if it be the wish of this group | 19:03 |
| clarkb | The OpenStack Summit and the colocated OpenDev (with focus on CI/CD) events are coming up in about 6 weeks or so. Apparently laws/regulations that affect airbnb just chagned in vancouver, BC so double check if you planned to stay with them | 19:03 |
| clarkb | (I don't actually know how big an impact that will have but it was mentioned by someone that we should warn conference attendees to double check) | 19:04 |
| clarkb | anything else we want to announce before digging into the agenda proper? | 19:05 |
| anteaya | corvus, yes, do | 19:05 |
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| fungi | it's been suggested that as opendev is a more grassroots sort of event, encouraging people to pass the word along to their respective professional circles of non-summitgoers about it would be good | 19:06 |
| clarkb | right, we hope to see you and your friends there, I expect it will be a good time | 19:07 |
| clarkb | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:07 |
| corvus | lots of collaborative space/time scheduled | 19:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:07 | |
| clarkb | oh should I undo to keep talking opendev? | 19:07 |
| corvus | nah | 19:07 |
| fungi | let's keep this bus in drive | 19:08 |
| clarkb | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-03-27-19.03.txt | 19:08 |
| clarkb | I wasn't able to follow lsat week's meeting due to needing to have lunch on tight conf schedule but I don't see any actions after a quick grep | 19:08 |
| clarkb | #topic Specs Approval | 19:08 |
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| clarkb | There are a couple updates to existing specs that I'd like to get in soon. | 19:09 |
| anteaya | I agreed to post a patch, which I did: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557979 | 19:09 |
| clarkb | and anteaya ^ has patch for survey spec | 19:09 |
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| anteaya | thanks | 19:09 |
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| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557772/ mark zuul v3 spec as done | 19:09 |
| fungi | oh, yeah i should have mentioned to you that i put the "Amend top-level project hosting spec" change up for council vote | 19:09 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555104/ Amend minor detail on git repo hosting for top level project hosting | 19:10 |
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| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557979 implementation of survey spec | 19:10 |
| fungi | (by being a poor stand-in meeting chair i help ensure i won't have to do it often!) | 19:10 |
| clarkb | fungi: heh its fine. I was already planning on moving ahead with that. Do we feel like the zuul v3 spec being marked done needs to go through formal council vote? if so are we good with giving that until thursday afternoon pacific time? | 19:10 |
| clarkb | I'll likely go ahead and get the minor top level project hosting amendment in today since it was put up for council vote last week | 19:11 |
| fungi | i'm ambivalent on whether shuffling entries around in the index file needs formal voting | 19:11 |
| anteaya | I have no opinion | 19:11 |
| clarkb | I'm hopign that the presence of the 3.0.0 tag on zuul makes that one non controverial | 19:11 |
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| fungi | yup | 19:12 |
| clarkb | corvus: ^ do you think it needs any more review than it has received? | 19:12 |
| fungi | it has my vote, at any rate | 19:12 |
| corvus | nah | 19:12 |
| clarkb | alright then I'll work toget those approved after the meeting. And anyone interested in survey tooling should review that third change from anteaya | 19:13 |
| fungi | once it merges, we're down to one long-standing priority spec | 19:13 |
| clarkb | which takes us to the next agenda item | 19:13 |
| clarkb | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:13 |
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| clarkb | I've put on the agenda that now might be a good time to reevaluate current efforts and decide if any of them should be bumped up to priority effort status. | 19:13 |
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| fungi | for our one remaining priority effort, i finally got the 4-byte utf-8 support into production over the weekend and successfully imported stories for tripleo-ui | 19:14 |
| clarkb | fungi: nice | 19:14 |
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| anteaya | fungi, congratulations | 19:14 |
| fungi | my next big task there is figuring out why gerrit commenting on stories broke around the time we upgraded to gerrit 2.13 | 19:14 |
| anteaya | gerrit paid attention to my new patch | 19:14 |
| clarkb | fungi: as the person that helped drive the 2.13 upgrade my failure to catch that means I'm happy to help debug it now. Let me know if I can be of assistance | 19:15 |
| anteaya | it changed the status when I uploaded | 19:15 |
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| anteaya | sorry storyboard paid attention* | 19:15 |
| corvus | yeah, i've noticed status tracking working | 19:15 |
| fungi | it probably involves me making sure pabelanger is done testing things with review-dev01 so i can try some hunches | 19:15 |
| corvus | what specifically is broken? | 19:15 |
| pabelanger | fungi: I have not yet, just gerrit testing | 19:16 |
| fungi | when you add a story footer in your commit message, the its-storyboard plugin for gerrit is supposed to leave a comment on the story with a url to the change | 19:16 |
| corvus | oh, so it's changing task status but not leaving words | 19:16 |
| fungi | yep | 19:16 |
| anteaya | ah | 19:16 |
| anteaya | yes, there were no words | 19:16 |
| corvus | fascinating failure mode | 19:16 |
| fungi | indeed. and i'm hoping it won't involve a foray into java | 19:17 |
| corvus | i'm accustomed to things breaking much more completely than that :) | 19:17 |
| fungi | there's a possibility it's just a side effect of changes in how we're doing commentlinks in the gerrit configuration since its plugins seem to rely on that to infer some configured behaviors | 19:17 |
| clarkb | and those did change with 2.13 | 19:17 |
| fungi | zaro__ gave me a few suggestions to dig into there | 19:18 |
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| fungi | anyway, we've had some projects say they want to hold off migrating to sb until that's fixed | 19:18 |
| fungi | and i really didn't want to monopolize the priority efforts discussion, so let's get on with discussing adding some new ones ;) | 19:19 |
| clarkb | since we are about to remove one of the long standing efforts that has taken a bunch of our time I thought it may be worthwhile to decide if any other in progress efforts (or possibly new ones) should be bumped up to priority status | 19:19 |
| clarkb | on the wiki agenda I threw out some ideas. I don't expect we'll decide this today, but wanted people to start thinking about what is going to be important to the infra team for the next few months or so we can take it from there | 19:20 |
| fungi | not to keep bringing up storyboard, but if people do have spare cycles and want to help hack on it, they're very welcome to do so ;) | 19:20 |
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| anteaya | I don't think the survey spec is a priority or will take that much effort, I care about but I don't think it should be elevated | 19:21 |
| fungi | presumably it's staying on the priority list at least | 19:21 |
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| fungi | (sb i mean) | 19:21 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya I don't expect we'll remove it | 19:21 |
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| pabelanger | agree, we still have some trusty systems we need to move to xenial that we didn't get to last virtual sprint | 19:21 |
| pabelanger | would be open to having another sprint to finish that off | 19:21 |
| clarkb | I just wanted to spark the conversation and idea here but will probably move discussion to the infra ml so that we can get broader reach and input and decide together there | 19:21 |
| fungi | i do agree with the things on the suggested list | 19:21 |
| pabelanger | +1 | 19:22 |
| fungi | i'd _love_ for someone who isn't me to be interested in picking up the wiki work i dropped on the floor | 19:22 |
| fungi | because clearly i'm not doing well at getting around to it | 19:22 |
| clarkb | so start thinking about it and I'll get a thread started shortly where we can hear all the great ideas | 19:22 |
| fungi | but i'm very happy to provide a high-bandwidth sync up of where it's gotten to for anyone who's interested | 19:23 |
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| clarkb | fungi: thanks! | 19:23 |
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| clarkb | #topic General Topics | 19:24 |
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| clarkb | I'm going to flip the order on these two because one is time sensitive | 19:24 |
| clarkb | pabelanger has spun up a new review01.openstack.org running xenial which means we now have IP addresses we can warn people about changing to in the future | 19:24 |
| clarkb | I think the last remaining question is the scheduling of that server migration | 19:25 |
| pabelanger | indeed | 19:25 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: have you asked the release team if R-17 works for them? | 19:25 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: yah, looks like kubecon EU is that week and all of the release team is going to it | 19:25 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: cool I guess that makes it a perfect time? | 19:25 |
| pabelanger | yah, I think so | 19:25 |
| clarkb | infra-root does May 02, 2018 work for migrating the gerrit server? | 19:26 |
| clarkb | I can eb around for that myself | 19:26 |
| fungi | sounds fine. i have high hopes it'll be a brief outage. mostly just mechanical stuff like moving the cinder volume, changing dns and stopping/starting services | 19:26 |
| clarkb | fungi: yup | 19:26 |
| pabelanger | yah, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/review01-xenial-upgrade is the steps I am expecting | 19:26 |
| dmsimard | It's sufficiently early that I can suppose I'll be around | 19:26 |
| pabelanger | which was done on review01-dev | 19:26 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: assuming it works for you and you've got fungi and I on board and now dmsimard I think we can commit to that date | 19:26 |
| fungi | yeah, i'm happy to help with it | 19:26 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: ++ | 19:27 |
| pabelanger | I'll start spamming the ML then with info | 19:27 |
| clarkb | 2000UTC is the current proposed time on the therpad for the ml email | 19:27 |
| clarkb | which wfm | 19:27 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/review01-xenial-upgrade Ubuntu Xenial move for production Gerrit | 19:27 |
| ianw | wfm as someone who can jump in later if required | 19:28 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: sounds good, thanks for putting this together. One fewer gerrit todo on the list marked off | 19:28 |
| pabelanger | np! | 19:28 |
| fungi | just to confirm, may 2 is a wednesday | 19:28 |
| pabelanger | yes | 19:28 |
| mordred | clarkb: may 2 wfm | 19:29 |
| fungi | 2000z is right after the end of the storyboard meeting, so looks fine as far as my availability is concerned | 19:29 |
| clarkb | #agreed Upgrade review.o.o's control plane server to Xenial at 2000UTC May 2, 2018 | 19:29 |
| ianw | p.s. it might be worth looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555633 before this, so that the gerrit jobs start working again, in case a new .war or something is required | 19:30 |
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| clarkb | ianw: ++ thanks | 19:30 |
| pabelanger | ack | 19:30 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555633 Get the gerrit jobs working again | 19:30 |
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| clarkb | The next topic is dmsimard's. Our meetbot can be abused during times of internet trolling | 19:31 |
| dmsimard | yeah | 19:31 |
| clarkb | in particular On April 1st which happened to also be Easter there was at least one webclient nick starting meetings and calling them maintenance then telling people in channel they all had to leave | 19:31 |
| dmsimard | It's probably the same person that has done the few occurrences I've seen | 19:31 |
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| fungi | to be fair we've known about this for years, and yesterday was the first time i've ever seen it happen in the wild (and consider the date) | 19:31 |
| clarkb | fungi: I think it has happened at least once before with this startmeeting and tell people to leave story | 19:32 |
| dmsimard | I didn't realize the date -- I was mostly concerned about someone potentially putting up offensive topics and stuff like that. | 19:32 |
| corvus | we could revert https://review.openstack.org/505669 and ask people to opt-in allowing meetbot to set topics | 19:32 |
| fungi | they hit a couple dozen of our channels, and i managed to get the vast majority of those cleaned up a little over an hour later when the meetings expired for them | 19:32 |
| jlvillal | Can meetbot ensure they are logged in? | 19:33 |
| fungi | er, i guess not yesterday it was sunday. anyway, april 1 | 19:33 |
| * fungi has lost all sense of time any more | 19:33 | |
| clarkb | corvus: I think one of the problems with that is meetbot is also our channel logger | 19:34 |
| clarkb | corvus: so even if people don't want meetings it is desireable to have logs? | 19:34 |
| corvus | jlvillal: i'm not sure if it supports that, but could probably be added easily | 19:34 |
| corvus | clarkb: that's not what that change does | 19:34 |
| corvus | clarkb: that only allows meetbot to set /topic | 19:34 |
| clarkb | ah | 19:34 |
| jlvillal | And also if the person who starts the meeting leaves then stop meeting. | 19:34 |
| fungi | jlvillal: yeah i don't know if anyone's looked into checking whether their nick has identified with nickserv. we've had suggestions in the past of doing that, or relying on +v in channels, or even whitelisting specific chair nicks in advance for specific meetings. all of these come with certain drawbacks | 19:34 |
| clarkb | my personal feeling on it is regardless of the bots in use people can troll public channels and generally be annoying. Addressing this in the bot itself won't change that | 19:35 |
| anteaya | jlvillal, I've seen many times where people who chair lose connection | 19:35 |
| anteaya | but they want the meeting to continue | 19:35 |
| fungi | revoking +t for the meetbot except in channels where people want to hold meetings (and in fact they can still do that even without having it change the channel topic) seems like a low-cost workaround | 19:35 |
| anteaya | the project working group is one group I have seen that happen with | 19:35 |
| clarkb | which means maybe educating users and having channel local ops may be a good approach | 19:36 |
| clarkb | (then ops can kick the offender and they can stop the meeting) | 19:36 |
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| fungi | if meetbot supports allowing anyone who is a chanop to #endmeeting at any time, that also might be a nice alternative | 19:36 |
| clarkb | I do wonder how much this behavior is tied to being able to set the topic | 19:36 |
| clarkb | fungi: I'm not sure if does but it would make sense as a feature | 19:37 |
| Regget | And you said this meetbot abuse has happened before? | 19:37 |
| Regget | when? | 19:37 |
| clarkb | at least once, I think it coincided with another holiday like US thanksgiving or something | 19:37 |
| fungi | sounds like dmsimard and clarkb have seen prior occurrences. those didn't come to my attention | 19:37 |
| Regget | ok | 19:37 |
| dmsimard | I put up links in the agenda | 19:37 |
| dmsimard | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-infra/%23openstack-infra.2018-04-01.log.html#t2018-04-01T16:39:49 | 19:37 |
| dmsimard | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-operators/%23openstack-operators.2018-04-01.log.html#t2018-04-01T16:59:48 | 19:38 |
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| dmsimard | Those are the two I've seen, there may be others. Just happened to walk on those. | 19:38 |
| fungi | yeah, irc vandals seem to like to pop up on weekends and popular holidays when they think channel operators (and probably server operators for the network) will be otherwise occupied | 19:38 |
| Regget | Yeah I saw those logs from Sunday | 19:38 |
| pabelanger | I've only recently started seeing it more, it is a side effect of 505669 corvus linked above? | 19:38 |
| dmsimard | Need to step away to pick up kids, be back in a bit | 19:38 |
| corvus | pabelanger: on what other dates have you seen it? | 19:38 |
| fungi | dmsimard: oh, those were both part of the same incident. they hit somewhere between 20-30 of our channels (i stopped counting and just cleaned them up) | 19:38 |
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| pabelanger | corvus: I'd have to go back into logs and see, but thought I remember doing endmeeting in some channels to clear the topic. | 19:39 |
| pabelanger | may have just been openstakc-meeting too | 19:39 |
| corvus | pabelanger: because someone vandalized it? | 19:40 |
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| fungi | anyway, if it's an infrequent nuisance, i'm inclined to prefer keeping our tools flexible and just dealing with the result (i mean, we made it so anyone can #endmeeting after an hour anyway) | 19:40 |
| pabelanger | corvus: yah, some random user did startmeeting test IIRC | 19:40 |
| pabelanger | then left | 19:40 |
| corvus | pabelanger: i'd hardly consider that vandalism :) | 19:40 |
| fungi | that sounds less malicious and more like someone didn't know what they were doing | 19:40 |
| corvus | i mean, *i've* done "#startmeeting test" :) | 19:40 |
| ianw | is it possible it's some sort of markov chain thing that has happened across something that works? it's ... odd | 19:40 |
| Regget | and what do you think the topic of maintenance has to do with it | 19:41 |
| Regget | since that is the name of those meetings | 19:41 |
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| fungi | there was a similar incident last where where someone did "#startmeeting kolla" in #openstack-dev (i think) because they thought that was how they were supposed to summon people for discussion | 19:41 |
| clarkb | Regget: I think that was the pretense used to say people should leave teh channel bceause it is under maintenance now | 19:41 |
| fungi | er, similar incident last year | 19:41 |
| Regget | oh | 19:41 |
| corvus | fungi: i agree | 19:41 |
| clarkb | I agree with fungi though. It is currently infrequent and relatively easy to address when it happens | 19:42 |
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| Regget | So how do we know it was not a maintenance person doing his work on weekends so he doesn’t interfere with meetings | 19:42 |
| clarkb | if we need to educate our users a bit more on why/how it happens and what they can do about it (local hcannel ops etc) then we can do that | 19:42 |
| anteaya | Regget, because the maintenance people are in this meeting | 19:42 |
| clarkb | Regget: because it was an unauth'd nick from a webclient | 19:42 |
| Regget | ok | 19:42 |
| clarkb | Regget: and not a chanop | 19:42 |
| anteaya | Regget, and that is not how we do mantainance | 19:42 |
| Regget | ok | 19:42 |
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| fungi | Regget: i'm probably overestimating what constitutes common sense with respect to irc networks, but the only people doing maintenance on the irc servers should be freenode staff and they wouldn't use people's random bots to change channel topics to signal that | 19:43 |
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| Regget | ok | 19:43 |
| Regget | I see now | 19:43 |
| clarkb | fungi: thee is a separte question of maintenance on the bot itself but no one should have to leave the channel for that | 19:43 |
| fungi | indeed | 19:43 |
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| clarkb | In general we can educate people that yes public communications channels do get trolled occasionally. If you have questions or concerns you can ask an chanop of the channel(s) you lurk in | 19:45 |
| fungi | we _do_ use bots to change channel topics so as to let people know about maintenance work we're doing on _other_ systems, but those maintenance activities wouldn't require people to leave any irc channels (to the contrary, it's where we're communicating about them) | 19:45 |
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| anteaya | hope he comes back, he was asking good questions | 19:46 |
| corvus | if anyone is interested in improving our ability to respond to trolls in general, this spec needs volunteers: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/irc.html | 19:46 |
| anteaya | he/she | 19:46 |
| mordred | fungi: perhaps we should communicate that if we use a bot to ask people to take an action, that action will be documented somewhere on an openstack.org url so someone can verify whether or not a bot message with an action is actually from us? | 19:46 |
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| clarkb | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/irc.html This spec needs volunteers which will help us be in a better position to update our IRC bots to address these issues when they happen | 19:47 |
| clarkb | mordred: using the status page on the wiki I guess? | 19:48 |
| fungi | mordred: yeah, the first place which springs to mind is the infrastructure status wiki, but referring people to a wiki any random person on the 'net can edit may not be any better | 19:48 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya that was going to be my next concern and not wanting to suggest twitter as an official of record location either | 19:48 |
| mordred | yah. I was more thinking some non-wiki location - but I haven't thought through the whole thing deeply yet | 19:49 |
| anteaya | perhaps a link to the status page should be included in maintenance annoucments | 19:49 |
| anteaya | as in verify here: link | 19:49 |
| clarkb | anteaya: I think the problem is then a troll could just send a verify here link to anywhere | 19:49 |
| clarkb | if its advertised out of band its a bit more controlled | 19:49 |
| clarkb | in any case I think the two steps forward here are 1) improving our irc bot implementation as per corvus' spec. Volunteers needed. and 2) Better docuemntation/education for users of IRC to avoid confusion when trolls are crafty enough to maybe look legit | 19:50 |
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| fungi | for the specific "leave the channel" scenario, the only situations we've had where we wanted people to exit a channel are when it's being renamed/forwarded. and for that we just give them a heads up (with a link to an ml thread about it generally) and then kick the stragglers eventually | 19:50 |
| clarkb | I can work on drafting an email to the dev ml with info on what infra and freenode would do as far as maintenance goes and who to contact if you have questions | 19:51 |
| anteaya | clarkb, true | 19:51 |
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| clarkb | does that seem like a reasonable place to start? | 19:51 |
| fungi | we also used to try and do that to reclaim channel founder privs, but it's usually close to impossible unless there are just a few people in there so tends to be easier to reach out to freenode staff and get them to override | 19:51 |
| clarkb | can point to the irc bot infra spec there too | 19:51 |
| fungi | yeah, that sounds like a great idea | 19:52 |
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| jlvillal | corvus, FYI: I might be interested in assisting with the IRC bot. | 19:52 |
| anteaya | clarkb, yes and also perhaps add the text to the IRC services area in the docs | 19:53 |
| clarkb | anteaya: ya we can work it into the docs too | 19:53 |
| clarkb | ok we've a few minutes left for the what did we miss open discussion topic | 19:53 |
| clarkb | #topic Open Discussion | 19:53 |
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| anteaya | David did a thing | 19:53 |
| anteaya | but I think he said he is picking up kids | 19:53 |
| jlvillal | gerritbot review request: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545469/ Some cleanup/refactoring and adding unit tests. Has one +2 :) | 19:53 |
| corvus | jlvillal: awesome! i'm happy to work with you on that and pitch in | 19:54 |
| clarkb | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gTsL7E7U7Q&t=1697 dmsimard did a talk on how to help infra | 19:54 |
| jlvillal | corvus, cool :) | 19:54 |
| clarkb | feel free to share the video if you know people who are interested | 19:54 |
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| pabelanger | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:emit-job-header-nodes is a way we could start printing nodepool info in jobs again, if people are interested | 19:54 |
| anteaya | dmsimard, how did the talk go? | 19:55 |
| fungi | good-sized crowd? | 19:55 |
| dmsimard | It went great, less people than expected showed up but since it was recorded it was still worth it. Still got a few good questions throughout the talk. | 19:55 |
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| pabelanger | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:fedora-27 is also needed to migrate jobs from fedora-26 to fedora-27, would like some help landing that too | 19:55 |
| anteaya | sometimes small groups can be more effective | 19:56 |
| anteaya | yay for questions | 19:56 |
| fungi | and we're getting a bunch of new infra contributors from montreal as a result, right? ;) | 19:56 |
| dmsimard | The format of the talk was very informal on purpose and was more or less a ~1hr live demo with recursive and meta references. It was fun. | 19:56 |
| anteaya | oh this was in Montreal? | 19:56 |
| dmsimard | Yeah, we have regular OpenStack meetups in Montreal. | 19:56 |
| anteaya | nice, I think I was at one in the past | 19:57 |
| anteaya | when I went to a pycon | 19:57 |
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| dmsimard | ah yeah there was a pycon about 2-3 years back :) | 19:57 |
| anteaya | bit of a drive to go every month | 19:57 |
| dmsimard | fungi: we'll see :D | 19:57 |
| * fungi crosses his fingers | 19:57 | |
| dmsimard | My hope is that the talk remains relevant and a form of informal documentation since it was recorded | 19:58 |
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| dmsimard | pabelanger: I'll help with those reviews | 19:59 |
| clarkb | alright thanks everyone | 20:00 |
| anteaya | thank you | 20:00 |
| clarkb | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| fungi | thanks clarkb! | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 3 20:00:13 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-04-03-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-04-03-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-04-03-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
| clarkb | our time is up and the meeting has ended. See you around irc and the mailing list | 20:00 |
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| oneswig | Ready to rumble? | 21:00 |
| trandles | \o/ | 21:00 |
| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 3 21:00:30 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-sig)" | 21:00 | |
| martial | rumble .... | 21:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 21:00 |
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| oneswig | Hello all! | 21:00 |
| oneswig | #chair martial | 21:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial oneswig | 21:00 |
| trandles | Hi there | 21:01 |
| martial | hello everybody | 21:01 |
| martial | Hi Tim:) | 21:01 |
| oneswig | #link agenda we'll attempt to follow https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_April_3rd_2018 | 21:01 |
| oneswig | Hey Tim | 21:01 |
| oneswig | How's New Mexico? I'm seeing a talk on Charliecloud next week I believe | 21:01 |
| trandles | spring has arrived | 21:02 |
| trandles | where's the talk? | 21:02 |
| trandles | OH, HPCAC | 21:02 |
| trandles | ? | 21:02 |
| oneswig | Indeed - Michael Jennings | 21:02 |
| priteau | Good evening | 21:03 |
| trandles | ah yeah, Michael's a lucky guy | 21:03 |
| oneswig | Le mec, glad you could make it | 21:03 |
| priteau | (just one eye on IRC really) | 21:03 |
| oneswig | trandles: it's a fine venue and last year's programme was pretty interesting. | 21:03 |
| trandles | I'm hoping he finds time to discuss Docker & HPC with Luca from CSCS | 21:04 |
| oneswig | Shifter, as in? I believe that's what they are using. It's Docker as a file format only, I believe. | 21:05 |
| trandles | docker -> squashfs via shifter image gateway | 21:05 |
| oneswig | (although that's the bit this use case requires) | 21:05 |
| trandles | LANL + NERSC + CSCS had talks with Docker at SC17 about actually doing something like "runHPC" to make us all happy | 21:06 |
| trandles | sorry, not trying to drag the agenda into the container gutter | 21:06 |
| oneswig | I've heard it said that the new more modular OCI toolset will permit that | 21:06 |
| martial | Tim: Docker Federal summit is in DC next week, I know we will not see anything out of it, but could be interesting | 21:06 |
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| oneswig | Government Docker? Interesting and probably conflicted theme | 21:08 |
| trandles | I <3 docker for everything up to the actual runtime... | 21:08 |
| trandles | I want our code teams to use docker to build/package/distribute everything | 21:08 |
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| oneswig | martial: are you attending this summit? | 21:08 |
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| martial | Tim: https://www.docker.com/government-summit-2018 | 21:09 |
| martial | oneswig: will be at both the Federal summit and DockerCon18 | 21:09 |
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| trandles | wish I could make it...but alas... | 21:09 |
| trandles | oneswig: track down Christian Kniep at HPCAC...I think he's going to be there | 21:10 |
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| oneswig | He's speaking, no less | 21:10 |
| oneswig | Hey john, good evening | 21:10 |
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| trandles | Oh good. I thought Christian might have been speaking about HPC and Docker at the Gov't Summit. Better that he be at HPCAC IMO | 21:11 |
| oneswig | trandles: is he from LANL? | 21:11 |
| trandles | Nope, he works for Docker | 21:11 |
| oneswig | Ah, so he does. I mangled the talk title with the vendor | 21:12 |
| trandles | he's the contact we've (LANL/NERSC/CSCS) been working with | 21:12 |
| oneswig | I'll be doubly interested in what he has to say then. | 21:12 |
| trandles | Michael was also in the meeting at SC17 | 21:13 |
| trandles | so maybe you three could have a chat | 21:13 |
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| oneswig | I'll add it to my list - I'm already looking forward to several useful catch-ups. | 21:14 |
| oneswig | Not least with DK Panda on RDMA and Hbase | 21:14 |
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| oneswig | We should probably get through the agenda and pick this up in AOB... | 21:14 |
| oneswig | #topic SIG RFEs for Ironic | 21:15 |
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| oneswig | We had some good discussions at the PTG | 21:16 |
| oneswig | And the conclusion was that those discussions should be captured in storyboard | 21:16 |
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| oneswig | The two items were boot-to-ramdisk and boot-with-kexec | 21:16 |
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| oneswig | but right now they are sitting idle waiting for specs to elaborate on the idea. | 21:17 |
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| oneswig | I think if we truly want these things, we'll need to articulate our needs :-) | 21:17 |
| trandles | I was just reading over the items that Julia linked on the boot-to-ramdisk storyboard | 21:18 |
| oneswig | The specs process wiki page? | 21:19 |
| rbudden | I believe I still need to add the Bridges use case to the spec/blueprint/etc | 21:19 |
| trandles | that and the template | 21:19 |
| rbudden | Are the use cases what we still need? | 21:19 |
| trandles | to me the template implies a lot more depth of knowledge of the inner workings of ironic | 21:19 |
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| trandles | more than I might possess | 21:19 |
| trandles | #link https://github.com/openstack/ironic-specs/blob/master/specs/template.rst | 21:20 |
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| oneswig | This may end up as a team effort | 21:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | not sure ironic does this, but Nova tried out backlog specs, where you only fill in the bits you know about | 21:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | that is a good way to get started at least | 21:21 |
| oneswig | johnthetubaguy: interesting. But referred to in the past tense - what happened? | 21:21 |
| priteau | trandles: you could mark some section as unknown and ask during the review if an Ironic contributor can helps define them | 21:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | oneswig: more it didn't really help things gain traction https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/backlog/index.html | 21:22 |
| oneswig | I picked the parallel filter scheduler at random, it's still highly detailed | 21:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | that might be my fault... as I wrote that one | 21:23 |
| oneswig | ha! | 21:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | FWIW, placement implements that, largely | 21:24 |
| trandles | flavor classes one looks a lot more like what I'd produce at this point | 21:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, that's cool | 21:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | its probably best having a change in gerrit that someone else can help finish off | 21:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | writing it down often proved interesting :) | 21:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | s/proved/proves/ | 21:25 |
| oneswig | Given the flavor classes spec was proposed for Liberty, I take johnthetubaguy's point on traction | 21:25 |
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| martial | :plus_one: :) | 21:26 |
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| oneswig | It seems the best plan may be to work on embellishing a spec between us | 21:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | turns out if no one implements a thing it doesn't happen | 21:27 |
| trandles | oneswig: agreed | 21:27 |
| oneswig | trandles: if you were to lay down the skeleton, and add us all as reviewers? | 21:27 |
| trandles | sure, I can get started on it later this week | 21:27 |
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| oneswig | Is this for boot-to-ramdisk or boot-to-kexec? Or both? | 21:28 |
| martial | sounds like a good plan actually to get work done | 21:28 |
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| trandles | ramdisk for me | 21:28 |
| oneswig | martial: steady on.. | 21:29 |
| trandles | priteau: I believe kexec was your baby | 21:29 |
| priteau | Yep | 21:29 |
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| oneswig | ... and rbudden had the epic bios cycle times driving that | 21:29 |
| rbudden | yes | 21:30 |
| priteau | I can write a spec as well | 21:30 |
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| rbudden | boot to ramdisk would be nice for the Superdomes :) | 21:30 |
| rbudden | one boot, entire OS in RAM | 21:30 |
| rbudden | kexec would be nice though for speeding up normal nodes, so i’m in for that as well | 21:31 |
| rbudden | let me know what I can do | 21:31 |
| oneswig | Great, thanks Bob and thanks all | 21:31 |
| trandles | then again we should all be using linuxboot.org in a few months...or so another crowd has been telling me... | 21:31 |
| oneswig | not come across that... | 21:31 |
| oneswig | Reminds me of Ron Minnich, of your parish trandles | 21:32 |
| trandles | it's a tangent, but search Ron Minnich | 21:32 |
| trandles | yeah, it's him | 21:32 |
| trandles | although he's at google these days | 21:33 |
| oneswig | Fancy that. I came across him via the Alpha CPU and Linux BIOS | 21:33 |
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| oneswig | OK, interesting. Lets move on? | 21:34 |
| oneswig | #topic Vancouver | 21:34 |
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| martial | last day to get the early bird ... | 21:34 |
| martial | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/ | 21:35 |
| oneswig | My first trip to this great city. Already looking forward to it. | 21:35 |
| martial | the last summit there was really good | 21:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 it was good last time, nice ducks on the roof outside the breakout rooms | 21:36 |
| rbudden | +1 | 21:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | I don't think I am making that up | 21:36 |
| rbudden | will be nice to revisit Vancouver | 21:36 |
| oneswig | We should ensure the Scientific SIG sessions are truly awesome... any thoughts? | 21:36 |
| trandles | plus watching the float planes...unless it rains this time... | 21:36 |
| b1airo | Vancouver gets high marks for beer quality too | 21:37 |
| martial | wait we have a conference around watching the duck and planes ... and beer | 21:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am cooking some TC related things for a Scientific Constellation, to sit alongside a container one | 21:37 |
| oneswig | Hey b1airo | 21:37 |
| martial | #chair b1airo | 21:37 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo martial oneswig | 21:37 |
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| martial | welcome Blair | 21:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | it would be good to do something in person around that, hoping to get something up for review soon ish | 21:37 |
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| oneswig | johnthetubaguy: can you give an overview of the concept? | 21:38 |
| b1airo | o/ (have been lurking) | 21:38 |
| martial | #link Forum brainstorming https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR18-scientific-sig-brainstorming | 21:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/resolutions/20170404-vision-2019.html#navigating-with-constellations | 21:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | so thats the context | 21:38 |
| martial | (oops too soon) | 21:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, this is forum brainstorming too really | 21:38 |
| oneswig | This is interesting: "Many of the tools used for OpenStack deployment now provide high level macros to install specific constellations" | 21:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically, its a bit like a reference architecture, or a way to navigate through the huge list of openstack projects but looking for your use case, rather than "insert crazy name" | 21:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | we got kinda inventive when we wrote that vision | 21:39 |
| oneswig | which tools are they johnthetubaguy? Perhaps we need a "kayobe install ska"? | 21:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am not against that idea, obviously ;) | 21:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | or maybe just "vagrant up" | 21:40 |
| oneswig | Everyone will want one :-) | 21:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | first step is describe what it looks like, roughly, and start making the concept a bit more real | 21:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | so will try keep folks posted on how that goes | 21:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I am hoping dims does an awesome job of the container one so it makes it easier :) | 21:42 |
| oneswig | Is there a forum-style discussion around this or is it something that's just going to work its way through OpenStack's processes? | 21:42 |
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| oneswig | I saw that noggin143 has added a forum proposal on preemptible instances - great | 21:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so I am not sure yet... I was thinking best to discuss in the Scientific SIG room | 21:44 |
| b1airo | Sounds good | 21:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | preemptible should be a good session too, good progress happening there | 21:44 |
| oneswig | excellent. I think it will be disruptive | 21:45 |
| oneswig | (and not just for my instances) | 21:45 |
| b1airo | I suspect the idea of Scientific Constellation will flush out a few snowflakes | 21:45 |
| oneswig | johnthetubaguy: is there a forum topic in the federation experiences I wonder? | 21:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | very possibly | 21:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | at least worth a sync up | 21:48 |
| b1airo | Also wonder how much a Science community specific stuff there might be in config, e.g., Keystone setup and various API Policy | 21:48 |
| b1airo | s/ a// | 21:48 |
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| oneswig | A further thought on Vancouver - is there somewhere where might all have a beer and watch sea planes, ducks, etc? We should probably (informally) make a plan | 21:51 |
| rbudden | there’s a decent brewery within walking distance of the conference center | 21:52 |
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| rbudden | I forget the name but it’s close to the famous Vancouver steam clock | 21:52 |
| oneswig | Great plan | 21:52 |
| trandles | isn't there a bar/restaurant right next to the seaplane base and the conference center? | 21:52 |
| trandles | although IIRC it was busy and expensive | 21:52 |
| b1airo | I'm arriving Friday evening so plenty of time | 21:52 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: is it direct for you? That's a lot of ocean | 21:53 |
| martial | b1airo are you participating in the upstream academy? | 21:53 |
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| b1airo | Via Auckland | 21:54 |
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| oneswig | Since when was New Zealand on the way to anywhere... | 21:55 |
| oneswig | 5 mins to go | 21:55 |
| oneswig | #topic AOB | 21:55 |
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| oneswig | What's new - got your DGX2 orders in | 21:55 |
| b1airo | Ha. If our grant gets funded then yes | 21:56 |
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| oneswig | I've been tinkering with RDMA for Ceph. Sometimes it's working but IB verbs portability is low it seems. | 21:56 |
| b1airo | Between fabric types you mean? | 21:57 |
| oneswig | I can guess it's being developed on RoCE because that works. | 21:57 |
| oneswig | Nothing else works out of the box. I'm teaching myself verbs to get it coaxed into life | 21:57 |
| b1airo | I seem to recall a discussion on ceph-users a while back about connection setup. How does Ceph initialise QPs? | 21:58 |
| oneswig | Directly. ibv_modify_qp. Really should use CMA | 21:58 |
| b1airo | Hmm yes | 21:59 |
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| martial | (running out of time, gents) | 21:59 |
| b1airo | Sounds like it's still experimental at best | 21:59 |
| oneswig | The Ceph messenger classes have enough flexibility to support that. | 21:59 |
| oneswig | b1airo: agreed, but there is potential here. For the day when the CPU is the bottleneck for Ceph. | 22:00 |
| oneswig | Ah, on that happy note, we must close | 22:00 |
| oneswig | thanks all | 22:00 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 3 22:00:24 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-04-03-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| b1airo | I guess if you have enough 3d xpoint it already is | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-04-03-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-04-03-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
| rbudden | thanks! | 22:00 |
| trandles | later | 22:00 |
| oneswig | b1airo: saw some graphs of optane vs previous generation - really impressive | 22:00 |
| martial | bye all | 22:00 |
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| b1airo | Yeah it's pretty nice stuff | 22:02 |
| b1airo | Even the consumer stuff is good for Ceph, e.g. 900P as a WAL device | 22:03 |
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