Thursday, 2018-02-22

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eumel8Good morning! Anybody there for I18n team meeting?07:00
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eumel8#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting07:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb 22 07:01:42 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is eumel8. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.07:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.07:01
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ianychoieumel8, hi I am doing another thing so might have slower response now07:03
eumel8hi ianychoi07:03
eumel8okay, better then nothing ;)07:03
ianychoieumel8, hi :)07:03
-amotoki- lurks as usual07:03
eumel8hi amotoki07:04
eumel8#topic PTG topics07:04
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eumel8#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dublin-i18n-PTG07:04
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eumel8there is no much changes in the ptg agenda as last week07:04
ianychoi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545377/07:05
ianychoiThis is the initial version of project doc translation support07:05
eumel8ptg schedule and plan are out #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-February/127611.html07:05
ianychoibut still lots of more work would be needed I think07:05
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eumel8timetable for our team days have the same status like last week. Will talk with pkovar  to fill out the slots07:06
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amotokiI will be at Dublin, but as of now I cannot attend docs/i18n sessions this time.07:07
ianychoiI see07:07
ianychoieumel8, enjoy PTG! Also amotoki :)07:07
eumel8fixed dates are contributor guide project incl. translation on Tuesday and User Survey translation on Wednesday07:08
eumel8ianychoi: thanks for the proposal. I put in on the etherpad.07:09
ianychoiThanks :)07:09
ianychoiAs mentioned in the link, Andreas suggested to limit the coverage of project docs07:11
eumel8during ptg we could make the zanata live upgrade but I do not screw up hope too high.07:11
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ianychoiIn my opinion, documents in current translation targets in project-config would be nice, but I don't know now how to filter them so need to learn more on project-config repo.07:12
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ianychoieumel8, live upgrade in dev first and then production would be good, but I updated Etherpad for Zanata upgrade test last week. I failed to use REST APIs using Zanata CLI on Zanata 4.3 and it might be a big problem in production07:13
ianychoi#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/i18n-zanata-test-for-translate-dev07:13
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amotokikind of gerrit/projects.yaml options ? http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/gerrit/projects.yaml#n276107:13
ianychoi#link https://zanata.atlassian.net/browse/ZNTA-175707:13
amotokimine is about "limit the coverage of project docs".07:14
ianychoiamotoki, yep I want to learn how to find and use those options in shell scripts07:14
amotokior python scripts :)07:14
ianychoiright :)07:14
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eumel8ianychoi: we will use the same version in zanata live as in dev. The certificate issue happens only on the dev server.07:17
eumel8I think it's self-signed there07:17
ianychoieumel8, no - that's because translate-dev.o.o actual server is translate-dev01.o.o07:17
ianychoieumel8, in production, translate.o.o 's actual server is translate-01.o.o07:18
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ianychoiThat's related with "strict hostname checking", not development purpose of translate-dev certificate07:19
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amotokihmmm... I cannot understand. certificate hostname should match a hostname served. it is not related to actual hostname.07:23
amotokitranslate.o.o certificate returns translate.o.o, so translate-01.o.o is not related I think.07:24
ianychoi#link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/manifests/site.pp#n159507:24
ianychoiInfra team uses translate.openstack.org as alias to translate01.openstack.org07:24
ianychoi#link http://paste.openstack.org/show/681324/07:25
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ianychoiBefore Zanata-cli <4.0.0, certificate of translate.o.o and server host translate.o.o and actual host translate01.o.o worked fine with configuring translate.o.o in zanata.xml and config.ini07:26
eumel8so we have to change the DNS record from CNAME to A? Or change fqdn in zanata.ini https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/master/zuul.d/secrets.yaml#L509 ?07:26
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ianychoiMore tests might be needed but not sure right now this is why I am sharing now .. unfortunately hmm07:27
eumel8so we are still far away from zanata upgrade in live07:29
ianychoiHmm, let's figure out how to solve this in this case....07:30
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eumel8but translate-dev has this self-signed certificate (regarding my browser), so it's not really testable with live07:34
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ianychoieumel8, testable with options :)07:36
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ianychoiLast week, I uploaded some resources to translate-dev using zanata-cli07:37
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eumel8test means I'm doing the same like in prod - without options ;)07:37
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ianychoieumel8, aha right07:38
eumel8Qualys said: #link https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=translate-dev.openstack.org #link https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=translate.openstack.org07:39
ianychoieumel8, by the way, how do you test zanata-cli on translate-dev? Using scripts in openstack-infra or something other ways?07:39
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eumel8so in translate-dev are definitly ssl issues07:40
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eumel8for me it's not a blocker for an upgrade now. If the strict host feature will not work on live, we could change the DNS to A record. Because we have only translate91 and no more other hosts.07:41
eumel8ianychoi: using zanata-cli standalone and then push/pull content07:42
ianychoiHmm, okay then eumel8 would u ask this to infra team during PTG? I don't know how .openstack.org dns names are managed.07:43
ianychoiIf infra team can manage this, then it would not be a main blocker I think.07:43
eumel8if zanata upgrade goes through most of the experts will be on-site ;)07:45
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eumel8but maybe zanata team has an answer in https://zanata.atlassian.net/browse/ZNTA-175707:46
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eumel8so, a little bit offtopic. I would initiate the live upgrade next week but not focus during PTG. This comes from my experience with translation check site last PTG07:47
eumel8better focus on topics which are makeable07:48
eumel8next topic? 12 min left07:48
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ianychoiNope07:48
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amotokihorizon RC2 was released yesterday07:49
eumel8#topic Queens release07:49
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amotokineutron-fwaas/vpnaas-dashboard will be released today or tomorrow.07:49
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eumel8#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:translation-jobs-queens+(status:open+OR+status:merged)07:50
amotokiI don't know other horizon plugins plan another release or not.07:50
jftaltahi!07:50
eumel8hi jftalta07:50
ianychoihi jftalta !07:50
eumel8amotoki: that's still the question. I investigated dev mailing list + repos for new branches in different repos but it's time intensive to find out what will happen.07:51
jftaltaeumel8 : thanks for the check site, it's very helpful :-)07:51
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eumel8jftalta: great! customer feedback :)07:52
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amotokieumel8: I coordinated horizon plugin releases in the past but I am no longer doing it. it's time consuming.07:52
amotokisome projects do not extract all strings properly due to misconfiguration of babel-django.cfg like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/540908/07:53
amotokiunfortunately manila-ui failed to land in time, so we cannot translate some?many? strings.07:54
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eumel8amotoki: I would try to automate such things with branching in Zanata. Maybe a nightly job that checks source repos for new branches, configure this in Zanata and send proposal to gerrit07:56
amotokieumel8: that should work07:57
eumel8alright, 2 min left for discussion07:58
eumel8#topic Open Discussion07:58
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amotokieumel8: my comment is about tracking horizon plugin releases.07:58
amotokiideally it is better to encourage their maintainers to release it for translations07:58
amotokibut unfortunately not all maintainers does not understand this.07:59
eumel8amotoki: sure, but that doesn't worked in the last weeks. Maybe also a topic for PTG07:59
amotokiit is a communication problem, but as of now I do not have a good idea to address this easily07:59
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eumel8so, time is over. thanks for participating. Not sure, if we make a meeting next week or better the week after08:00
eumel8#endmeeting08:00
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gmann_#startmeeting qa08:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb 22 08:00:32 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gmann_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'qa'08:00
masayukigheh08:00
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gmann_who all here today?08:01
masayukigp/08:01
masayukigo/08:01
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gmann_let's wait for couple of min08:02
masayukigok08:02
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gmann_let's start08:04
gmann_#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_Feb_22nd_2018_.280800_UTC.2908:05
gmann_today agenda ^^08:05
gmann_#topic Previous Meeting Action review08:05
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gmann_no AI from last meeting08:05
* masayukig nods08:06
gmann_#topic Rocky PTG Planning08:06
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gmann_#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-rocky-ptg08:06
gmann_#link https://ethercalc.openstack.org/Rocky-PTG-QA-Schedule08:06
gmann_^^ i prepared the schedule for PTG08:06
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gmann_and make the order also in same way in etherpad08:07
masayukigcool, thanks08:07
gmann_masayukig: is stestr time ok?08:07
masayukiggmann_: yeah, it works for me, but I don't know about mtreinish08:08
gmann_ok08:08
mguineyo/ (lurking)08:08
gmann_i need to send mail for interop and deprecation API test topic on ML to get more attention from all stack-holders08:09
gmann_i wil do it today08:09
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gmann_#action gmann to send ML for PTG interop and deprecation API test sessions08:09
masayukigk08:10
masayukigmguiney: hi!08:10
gmann_other things for PTG is to have a QA night with some food and drink08:10
gmann_i will add a doodle vote today and send mail to select the date.08:10
masayukig+1 :)08:11
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gmann_tuesday is Official PTG Networking Reception08:11
gmann_#action gmann to send the QA night plan on ML08:12
gmann_anything else for PTG?08:12
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masayukiggmann_: I added some on the retrospective08:13
masayukighttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-queens-retrospective08:13
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masayukig#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-queens-retrospective08:13
gmann_i see thanks08:13
gmann_let's move next08:14
gmann_#topic Tempest08:14
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gmann_i pushed the tempest release for 18.0.0 to mark the start of Rocky08:14
gmann_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546906/108:14
gmann_it need reno in tempest08:14
gmann_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546903/08:14
gmann_masayukig: ^^ we need to merge this first08:15
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masayukiggmann_: k, I'll check them tomorrow08:16
gmann_masayukig: thanks08:16
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gmann_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tempest+status:open08:16
* andreaf lurks aroud08:16
gmann_these are open review for tempest08:16
gmann_masayukig: saw your unit tests patch? we have less coverage for CLI?08:17
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masayukiggmann_: yes, I think so. especially for option combinations08:17
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gmann_i see08:18
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gmann_let's talk about it in PTG also durign code sprint etc08:19
masayukiggmann_: yeah! I just added about it on the retrospective etherpad :)08:19
andreafI saw a comment on the stestr for tempest CLI that just merged that that patch breaks08:19
andreaf#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504345/08:20
andreafbut I have not validated that08:21
masayukigandreaf: yeah, it's true..08:21
andreafgmann_ did that go into the new release?08:22
gmann_andreaf: yea just pushed that08:22
gmann_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546906/108:22
gmann_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546903/08:22
andreafok I guess we can push a fix and then another minor release08:22
gmann_secodn one is tempest reno which we need to merge forst08:22
gmann_first08:23
andreafchandankumar do you want to look into fixing that issue?08:23
gmann_we have time if something urgent we want to fix08:23
gmann_otherwise we can always do minor release in PTG08:24
masayukigandreaf: what's the issue?08:24
masayukighttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/504345/ ?08:24
masayukigI already pushed a patch for it as a first step.08:25
andreafmasayukig gmann_ I don't know sorry maybe no issue I just saw the comment on the fly before going to sleep I haven't validated it08:25
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masayukig:)08:25
andreafmasayukig ah ok08:25
andreafthanks!08:26
gmann_yea unit testing is something we should do more08:26
gmann_ok, let's move08:27
andreafso on Tempest08:27
masayukigandreaf: no problem08:27
andreafhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/544521/ is not critical maybe but I'd really like to see that merged as a first step08:27
andreafthen the plugin sanity job needs to be fixed because atm is really broken08:27
andreafand if we don't fix it we might as well drop it :)08:28
gmann_sure08:28
gmann_plugin sanity job is timeout or what was issue?08:28
andreafgmann_ well POST FAILURE is what I'm fixing in my patch08:28
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andreafbut apart from that the job is not doing what it means to do08:29
andreafit tries to install plugins one by one with install list remove for each plugin08:29
andreafbut remove is not working so plugins are accumulating and at the end the job reports that all plugins are broken08:29
andreafalso it would be nice to improve job reporting but ok that's less critical08:30
gmann_remove is not working you mean we are not doing it correctly or some issue?08:30
andreafI mean that in the test venv plugins are not removed - I don't know why08:31
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andreafanyways I'm pushing hard on the ansible / multinode stuff and chandankumar is busy so perhaps someone has time to have a look08:31
andreafor at least merge the initial patch that hides the issue08:32
gmann_ok08:32
gmann_ll check that tomorrow08:32
andreafthanks08:33
gmann_anything else for Tempest?08:33
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gmann_let's move next08:34
gmann_#topic Critical Reviews08:34
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gmann_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546903/08:34
gmann_this is ready now andreaf masayukig ^^08:34
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gmann_we still not marked newton EOL in tempest. i do not know if it really EOL08:35
andreafok08:35
gmann_but we can always do it later when it is confirmed.08:35
andreafyeah newton EOL... I'm confused by that08:35
andreafwe still run newton jobs08:35
gmann_:) me too. yea and i do not find newton branch for porjects08:36
andreafand newton is the only branch that still runs nova-net08:36
andreafso I guess it's a sensitive issue08:36
gmann_ll catch tonyb in PTG08:36
gmann_yea. we will try to remove nova-net code in rocky if we can :)08:36
gmann_anyways, once tempest reno patch is merged i will the hash in release patch08:37
gmann_any other review on priority08:37
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gmann_got network disconnected08:39
gmann_did i miss any msg?08:39
andreafnope08:40
andreafthis devstack patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546765/08:40
andreaf#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546765/ it would be nice to move forward on that08:40
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gmann_added in my list08:41
gmann_let's move to open08:42
gmann_#topic Open Discussion08:42
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gmann_anything else to discuss08:42
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gmann_ok i also have nothing more08:43
gmann_let's close the meeting then08:43
masayukigok08:43
gmann_see you all in Dublin, have safe flight08:43
masayukig\o/08:43
masayukigyou too08:43
gmann_thanks08:43
gmann_#endmeeting08:43
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mguineyhave a good week, all!08:44
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melwitt#startmeeting nova14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb 22 14:00:07 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is melwitt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:00
mriedemo/14:00
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takashino/14:00
melwitthowdy everyone14:00
efried@/14:00
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edleafe\o14:00
bauzashowdy ho14:00
edmondswo/14:00
melwitt#topic Release News14:00
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melwitt#link Queens release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Queens_Release_Schedule14:00
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melwitt#info Queens RC2 was released on 2018-02-15: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54520014:01
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melwittwe're doing an RC3 today, and today is the last day for RCs. everything we need has merged as of this morning to stable/queens14:01
melwitt#link Queens RC3 TODOs: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-queens-release-candidate-todo14:01
mriedemnope14:01
mriedemhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/queens+label:Code-Review=214:01
melwittwat? I just checked14:01
melwittoh, dangit. I guess I had my search query wrong14:02
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melwittsorry14:02
melwittokay, two more things left. then we can propose the release tag for RC314:02
melwitt#link Rocky release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Rocky_Release_Schedule14:02
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melwittthe PTG is next week, so we will be kicking off the rocky cycle then14:02
melwittany comments or questions on release news?14:03
melwitt#topic Bugs (stuck/critical)14:03
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melwitt#link queens-rc-potential bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=queens-rc-potential14:03
melwittnone open anymore because everything has merged to master14:04
melwittCritical bugs ... none open14:04
melwitt#info 26 new untriaged bugs (down 6 since the last meeting)14:04
bauzasnope14:04
bauzas22 :p14:04
melwittas of last night when I made the query14:04
melwittI just woke up14:04
bauzasheh14:04
bauzasI should amend that before the meeting14:05
melwittuntriaged count has been going down so thanks everyone for helping with that14:05
melwitt#link bug triage how-to: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Tags14:05
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melwitthow to triage for anyone newer folks who'd like to help ^14:05
melwitt#link untagged untriaged bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW14:05
bauzaswell, also setting the new bugs could be nice :)14:06
johnthetubaguywhat do you mean by "setting the new bugs"?14:06
bauzasI saw some of them tagged, but not having been set :)14:06
melwittwhat do you mean by setting?14:06
bauzaseither confirmating or closing14:06
melwittoh yes. tagging is the first step14:06
bauzasor invaling or asking for mure14:06
bauzasanyway14:07
johnthetubaguyah...14:07
melwittonly 4 untriaged untagged bugs, which is great. thanks all for tagging bugs with a category14:07
bauzasI'll try to have 0 new bugs by the next weeks14:07
melwitt#help tag untagged untriaged bugs with appropriate tags to categorize them14:07
melwitt#help consider signing up as a bug tag owner and help determine the validity and severity of bugs with your tag14:07
mriedemone thing here,14:07
mriedemon bugs,14:07
mriedemwe used to have the bug fix patch list or whatever, for not super hard, pretty straight-forward fixes,14:08
mriedemetherpad,14:08
mriedemare we going to do that again? because triage is fine, but you know, we should actually fix these damn things14:08
efriedis "low hanging fruit" the phrase you're looking for?14:08
mriedemsort of,14:08
mriedemnot all fixes are created equal14:08
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melwittyeah, I've been thinking about it. it was the "trivial patch monkey" list14:08
mriedemsure, something with a less offensive name14:09
efriedWould be a good section for the Etherpad Of Mel14:09
bauzasright14:09
melwittit's still on the priorities etherpad, so it would be a matter of refreshing that and re-sending a mail to the ML to explain it again14:09
* efried says in his best Gandalf voice14:09
mriedemalright14:09
melwitt#link review priorities etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-nova-priorities-tracking14:09
edleafe"Trivial Patch Kitten"?14:09
mriedemthat's better14:09
melwitthaha14:09
melwittyeah, agreed the old name wasn't great14:10
efried...list of "ball o' yarn" patches.14:10
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melwittokay. so I'll get that fixed up on the etherpad and send a mail out about it with instructions and all14:10
bauzaswe have a Gerrit call AFAIK14:10
bauzasI mean a Gerrit query14:10
bauzasfor trivial patches14:10
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bauzasbut trivial means something different14:11
bauzassmall14:11
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melwittyeah. there are a few gerrit dashboard queries linked at the bottom of the priorities etherpad that are helpful14:11
melwittanything else on bugs?14:11
melwitter, wait, gate status is in here too. sorry14:12
melwitt#link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html14:12
melwittgate status has been pretty smooth AFAICT14:12
melwitt#link 3rd party CI status http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days14:12
jaypipesmelwitt: sshhh, don't jinx it.14:12
melwittyeah, good point. don't listen to what I said, gate14:13
mriedemgrenade was broken on all branches last night14:13
mriedembut fixes are merged14:13
melwittyeah, grenade on stable broke because of branchless tempestness14:13
melwittmnaser was on it quickly though and proposed fixes for that14:13
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melwittthose are merged yesterday night14:14
jaypipesall hail mnaser.14:14
melwittyes, shout out to mnaser, thanks14:14
mriedemlasterday?14:14
melwittyeah, heh14:14
jaypipes#thanks mnaser for being on top of the tempest gate fixes!14:14
hrwspeaking of 3rdparty CI. we (Linaro) work on adding aarch64 boxes to openstack infra14:14
jaypipes#thankyou mnaser for being on top of the tempest gate fixes!14:15
melwitthm, maybe the bot isn't in here14:15
jaypipesdamn it, what is the incantation...14:15
melwittI thought it was just #thanks14:15
melwitthrw: sounds cool, thanks for the heads up14:15
melwittI've noticed hyper-v, zVM and quobyte CIs seem to be failing pretty often14:16
mnaser:)14:16
melwittso that's a TODO to look into those14:17
melwittand notify owners thusly14:17
melwitt#topic Reminders14:17
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melwitt#info Rocky PTG is next week, there will be no Nova meeting next week14:17
melwitt#link Rocky PTG topics: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-rocky14:17
melwittI've updated the schedule/agenda on ^ with times so it should be pretty detailed now14:18
melwittany questions about the PTG?14:18
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melwitt#topic Stable branch status14:19
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melwitt#link stable/queens: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/queens,n,z14:19
melwitt#info working on Queens RC3: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/queens+label:Code-Review=214:19
melwittas mentioned earlier ^14:19
lyarwoodstable/ocata looks blocked by a legacy-tempest-dsvm-multinode-live-migration failure, just getting around to looking at this now14:19
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melwittlyarwood: a-ha, cool. thanks for looking into that14:20
melwitt#link stable/pike: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/pike,n,z14:20
melwittthings on pike need to be rechecked because of the grenade job issue from yesterday14:20
melwitt#link stable/ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata,n,z14:20
melwitt#info ocata is blocked; need to remove grenade jobs: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:neutron-grenade-ocata14:20
mriedembranch eol + grenade + zuulv3 is turning out to be a new headache14:21
melwittoh, there ^ (thanks for adding that)14:21
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melwittokay, anything else on stable branch status?14:22
melwitt#topic Subteam Highlights14:22
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melwittmriedem: cells v2?14:22
mriedemthere was a meeting, you and i were there,14:22
mriedemtssurya has patches up for bug fixes14:22
mriedemcern has a spec or 514:22
mriedemmore info to come at the ptg14:23
melwittyep, thanks14:23
melwittedleafe: scheduler?14:23
edleafeStarted to discuss which placement effort should be prioritized for Rocky (NUMA affinity, aggregates, update_provider_tree, etc).14:23
edleafeDecided that if keystone is down, returning a 503 with a clear explanation was the best response.14:23
edleafeNo meeting next week (PTG), and need someone to run the following week, as edleafe will be in a metal tube then.14:23
edleafethat's it14:23
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melwittcool, thanks14:23
jaypipesedleafe: efried and I can run it.14:24
efriedI'll be out the week after the PTG14:24
edleafejaypipes: cool, I'll let you two fight over it14:24
jaypipesok, I'll run it :)14:24
efriedWife and I sticking around Dublin14:24
edleafeguess it'll be an easy fight for jaypipes to win14:24
melwittI'll be out the week after the PTG too, gibi will run the nova meeting on Mar 814:24
* jaypipes lines up all controversial decisions for Monday after next...14:25
melwittlol, there ya go14:25
melwittand speaking of, gibi left a note on the notifications subteam14:25
melwittNotification (gibi) - no meetings until after the PTG14:25
melwittanything else on subteam news?14:25
melwitt#topic Stuck Reviews14:26
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melwittone item on the agenda: Move Contrail VIF plugging to privsep broke Contrail TAP plugging https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/174296314:26
openstackLaunchpad bug 1742963 in OpenStack Compute (nova) queens "Cannot boot VM with Contrail SDN controller" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Matt Riedemann (mriedem)14:26
mriedemthat's fixed14:26
jaypipesyep14:26
jaypipesmerged last nighgt14:26
melwittyep, coolness14:26
melwittmail thread http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-February/127601.html14:26
melwittdoes anyone else have any stuck reviews?14:27
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melwitt#topic Open discussion14:27
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melwittone item on the agenda14:27
jaypipesin doing the review on that one, I checked and made sure that was the only vif driver (still in nova) that was passing an Instance object. it was. all others pass component pieces so they're good.14:27
* hrw /me14:27
RamboHello,everyone, Can you help me to review the spec about rebuild a instance booted from volume?14:27
RamboThe link is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532407/14:27
RamboThank you very much.14:27
RamboAny suggestion is welcome.14:27
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melwittjaypipes: a-ha, cool. thanks14:28
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melwittokay, so first hrw has a specless bp to highlight https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/configure-amount-of-pcie-ports14:28
hrwo yes14:28
hrwx86/q35 and aarch64/virt thing14:28
* jaypipes has already reviewd the code.14:29
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hrwin short: we want to have hotplug on pcie machines. so we add more slots to have hotplug working.14:29
hrwcontrary to x86/i440fx where slots just exist on pcie machines they need to be added into VM first14:30
bauzasI reviewed the code14:30
jaypipeshrw: last back and forth between us, you said "I will do some testing and then rewrite whole comment section."14:30
bauzasand I'm fine with a specless BP unless someone objects14:30
jaypipeshrw: but I don't see you have done that yet?14:30
hrwjaypipes: had some other stuff to do first14:30
jaypipeshrw: no prob. was just checking to see if maybe you just hadn't pushed.14:30
RamboI am really interested in this,Can you give me some advice?Thank you very much.14:31
hrwjaypipes: probably will do that during ptg14:31
bauzashrw's question for that meeting was whether we should ask for a spec or not14:31
jaypipeshrw: rock on.14:31
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melwittRambo: your item is next14:31
bauzasnot about any specific implementation detail14:31
mriedemthis doesn't seem spec worthy14:31
hrwbauzas: thanks for using proper wording14:31
bauzasmelwitt: so, you agree on not requiring a spec ?14:31
mriedemit's feature parity for the libvirt driver on aarch64 yeah?14:31
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hrwmriedem: aarch64 and x86/q3514:32
bauzasyeah14:32
mriedemq35 the infiniti model?14:32
mriedem:P14:32
hrwmriedem: close ;D14:32
bauzasgiven it's about providing feature parity, I asked at least for a blueprint14:32
hrwhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/configure-amount-of-pcie-ports is started14:32
melwittyeah, it's nice to have the blueprint to track the change14:32
hrwpending approval still14:32
mriedemspecless bp seems fine14:32
bauzas+114:32
melwittokay, sounds cool, so we'll approve that blueprint14:33
hrwthere are some workitems there and links with info14:33
melwittgreat, thanks hrw14:33
jaypipes"Now nova rebuild the volume-backed instance as make it a fast failure in the API." <-- I'm not actually sure what that means.14:33
hrwnot my first BP :D14:33
jaypipesRambo: ^^14:33
mriedemjaypipes: we made a change in queens to fail in the api if you're rebuildinga volume-backed instance,14:34
mriedemjaypipes: whereas before (for all time), we'd just silently not rebuild the disk on the compute but tell you we did14:34
Ramboyes ,as mriedem14:34
jaypipesmriedem: how does that first sentence relate to the following sentence? "But we have been offering volume-backed instance for more than 4 years and our users love it."14:34
mriedemtheir users love volume-backed instances,14:35
mriedemand presumably rebuild14:35
mriedembut those 2 don't mix14:35
mriedemi assume their users didn't know they were doing rebuilds that didn't actually work14:35
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jaypipeswhat exactly is rebuild of a volume-backed server? :(14:35
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melwittah, I see14:35
mriedemrebuild the volume-backed root disk with the new image14:35
mriedemi guess14:35
mriedemi should note,14:35
mriedemwell, need to look at something14:36
mriedemok yeah14:36
mriedemthe API only fails if you're doing volume-backed server rebuild + a new image14:36
mriedemif the image doesn't change, you can do volume-backed rebuild14:36
melwittoh, interesting14:36
mriedemthe problem is on the compute we don't do a new root disk volume with the new image14:37
jaypipesI still don't "get" what exactly a "rebuild" is when the server is BFV,.14:37
bauzasso, maybe it's just a documentation issue ?14:37
mriedemhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/520660/14:37
mriedemwe updated the docs14:37
jaypipesmriedem: if it gets a new root disk, it's not a "rebuild", now is it?14:37
mriedemit's a rebuild b/c you can hold onto your ports and volumes14:38
mriedembut yes you can change the image14:38
mriedemat least for ephemeral backed root disk14:38
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jaypipesohffs14:38
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mriedemhttps://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/#rebuild-server-rebuild-action14:39
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bauzasyeah so you would be turning your BFV instance into a normal instance, right?14:39
mriedemthere is a note in the api ref14:39
bauzasexcellent14:39
bauzasta14:39
mriedembauzas: no14:39
mriedemwe don't drop the volume14:39
bauzasa-ha14:39
bauzasbut the volume is no longer attached then ?14:40
bauzasFWIW, the api doc LGTM14:40
mriedemthe volume is attached14:40
mriedemit's just that compute doesn't change the image in the root disk backed by the volume14:40
mriedemi.e. we don't build a new volume for the root disk14:40
bauzasgot it, just read the bug report14:40
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mriedemso this would require, i think,14:41
mriedemnova creating a new image-backed volume (like bfv today),14:41
mriedemthen replace the root bdm with that new one, before calling spawn14:41
lyarwoodor a new cinder api to recreate the volume?14:41
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mriedemlyarwood: i don't know what cinder has today that can do that, or if we'd even want that14:42
mriedemlyarwood: you're asking for rebuild in cinder i think :)14:42
bauzascall me stupid, but why couldn't we assume that if we rebuild using a glance image, then the instance won't be longer volume-backed ?14:42
lyarwoodmriedem: I don't think it has anything thus the new part14:42
lyarwoodmriedem: right14:42
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bauzasbecause I don't really like the idea of nova orchestrating a volume creation and a swap14:43
mriedembauzas: rebuild goes through _prep_block_devices just like normal create14:43
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mriedemanywho, this is why it hasn't been done14:43
hrwuf. when I read your discussion I know that nova is not a project where I can go for core14:44
bauzasmriedem: looks like it's a big ask then14:44
* jaypipes is going to stay out of the volume-backed rebuild conversation, for his own sanity.14:45
bauzasjaypipes: heh, you're so right14:45
mriedembauzas: maybe14:45
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mriedemthere is something about shelve + bfv that is bonkers too14:45
mriedembasically bfv was bolted on and very little else accounted for it14:45
mriedemso now we have all of these gaps14:45
* melwitt nods14:46
bauzasyup, we have a shit list of instance actions that don't really map correctly with BFV instances14:46
mriedemso we can either fill those gaps so we have a reasonable system where you can create a server and do things with it,14:46
mriedemor we just ignore it and say "too complicated, don't want to think about it'14:46
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mriedemtbc, i'm not advocating for this14:46
bauzasme neither14:47
bauzasbut we at least need to properly document the gaps14:47
mriedemi just see lots of very old bugs for this same kind of thing and from a user pov, it has to be frustrating14:47
bauzasbefore someone magically fix all the bonkers14:47
mriedemyeah it's doc'ed14:47
mriedemas of queens14:47
bauzasso14:47
mriedemwhat 6 years after bfv was added ?14:47
mriedemanyway, /me gets off the soapbox14:47
bauzasnow we know we are bad, probably discussing it at the PTG is the next step ?14:48
bauzasie. the 5 stages of grief14:48
mriedemheh, acceptance?14:48
* johnthetubaguy wonders about the cinder storage backend discussions again14:48
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: never going to happen14:48
johnthetubaguymriedem: I think you are right14:48
mriedembauzas: if someone wants to throw it on the etherpad , whatever, but i don't think Rambo is going to be at the PTG14:49
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bauzasI'm not particularly expert in that, but I can at least kick an item in the etherpad and leave the battle happen at the PTG14:49
bauzasnot expert in *BFV instances*14:49
mriedemi am now, unfortunately14:50
mriedemthe wily bdm turducken14:50
bauzasI'm all open to get more knowledge :)14:50
melwittokay, so we can discuss it at the PTG and then also be sure to add comments to the spec review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53240714:50
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mriedemRambo: you brought this up in the mailing list before right?14:50
bauzasRambo: do you confirm mriedem's assumption that you won't be able to attend the PTG ?14:51
Ramboyes,I am a stutent in China,Thanks for your understanding.14:51
Ramboyes14:51
mriedemyes i see it14:51
Ramboabout a month ago14:51
mriedemno replies14:51
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edmondswlink?14:52
mriedemactually it was mgagne that said their users love it14:52
mriedem"I do agree that being able to rebuild a volume-backed instance would be a great addition. We have been offering volume-backed instance for more than 4 years and our users love it."14:52
hrwone thing...14:52
mriedemhttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-December/125223.html14:53
mriedemedmondsw: ^14:53
edmondswtx14:53
mriedemso it sounds like mgagne's users would like it14:53
hrwhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/python-novaclient/+bug/174396414:53
openstackLaunchpad bug 1743964 in python-novaclient "server add floating ip fails with "AttributeError: add_floating_ip"" [Undecided,New]14:53
mriedemhrw: known issue14:53
hrwfloating IP support got removed in pike/queens?14:53
mriedemnovaclient 10.0 dropped those python API bindings14:53
mriedemqueens14:53
mriedemfrom novaclient14:53
melwittneed to use openstackclient14:54
hrwok14:54
mriedemi'll triage it14:54
mriedemopenstackclient fails14:54
mriedemis the problem14:54
hrwthanks14:54
bauzasmelwitt: do you plan to amend the etherpad or do you want me to do so ?14:54
mriedemb/c osc uses novaclient python API bindings14:54
bauzasmelwitt: for the BFV rebuild thing14:54
melwittbauzas: it would be cool if you can add it14:54
mriedemfwiw this is why novaclient 10.0 isn't in u-c for queens14:54
melwittoh14:54
bauzasmelwitt: roger.14:54
hrwso for now workaround is novaclient 9.x, right?14:54
mriedemhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/174579514:55
openstackLaunchpad bug 1745795 in python-openstackclient ""openstack server remove floating ip" broken with python-novaclient 10.0.0" [Undecided,New]14:55
mriedemhrw: yes per upper-constraints versions for queens14:55
melwittbauzas: thanks14:55
bauzashrw: workaround is Nova CLI :)14:55
* bauzas jk14:55
mriedemhttps://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/stable/queens/upper-constraints.txt14:55
mriedemhrw: no it's not14:55
mriedemgdi,14:55
mriedempeople14:55
mriedem*bauzas i mean14:55
mriedemnovaclient removed floating ip CLIs and API bindings,14:55
mriedemosc uses novaclient API bindings14:55
mriedemwihch are gone14:55
mriedemso you can't use osc + novaclient >= 10.014:55
mriedemfin14:55
hrwthx14:56
mriedemsee https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/174579514:56
openstackLaunchpad bug 1745795 in python-openstackclient ""openstack server remove floating ip" broken with python-novaclient 10.0.0" [Undecided,New]14:56
mriedemi sent a thing to the ML about this,14:56
mriedemnot sure how to fix osc14:56
mriedemif yo'ure not using neutron anyway14:56
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mriedem#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-January/126741.html14:56
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mriedemif you want to add a floating ip,14:57
mriedemyou assign it to the port that the instance is using14:57
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mriedemala what i do in this demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZg6wqxdEHk14:58
* mriedem shamelessly plugs14:58
melwittcool, thanks for all that info14:58
melwittRambo: we'll discuss your spec at the PTG and then add comments to the spec review, thanks14:58
melwittone minute left, anything else?14:59
RamboThank you very much,thanks14:59
melwittokay cool, thanks everyone14:59
melwitt#endmeeting14:59
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