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| zhiyuan_ | hi | 01:01 |
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| Yipei_ | hi | 01:01 |
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| zhiyuan_ | #startmeeting tricircle | 01:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 25 01:02:48 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhiyuan_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 01:02 |
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| joehuang | hi | 01:03 |
| zhiyuan_ | hi joe | 01:03 |
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| zhiyuan_ | I have submitted the patch for queens-1 tag, the nova cell v2 integration is included in this tag | 01:04 |
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| joehuang | great | 01:05 |
| zhiyuan_ | I see neutron team has updated their patch for queens-1 tag,so I will check if we need to update correspondingly | 01:05 |
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| zhiyuan_ | especially recenetly we merge one patch from yipei to adapt the neutron change | 01:06 |
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| joehuang | ok, and one more patch this morning | 01:07 |
| joehuang | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514683/ | 01:07 |
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| Yipei_ | yes, yesterday this patch receives a timeout error | 01:08 |
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| Yipei_ | i resubmit it today | 01:08 |
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| zhiyuan_ | i see | 01:08 |
| zhiyuan_ | in this patch, a new atribute "tap_enabled" is added | 01:09 |
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| zhiyuan_ | is this attribute also open to API? | 01:09 |
| Yipei_ | yes | 01:09 |
| zhiyuan_ | if so, I think our sfc plugin code and xjob also need to be updated | 01:10 |
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| Yipei_ | not sure, i think it is not | 01:12 |
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| joehuang | we may need to wait for the sfc functional test result | 01:13 |
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| joehuang | to check to see if api is affected or not | 01:13 |
| Yipei_ | ah, it added a flag | 01:13 |
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| Yipei_ | --enable-tap and --disable-flag | 01:14 |
| Yipei_ | so it should be open in api | 01:14 |
| zhiyuan_ | the reason I think we need to update is that our xjob will sync the central sfc resource to local sfc resource, if xjob isn't aware of the new attribute, this attribute may be lost | 01:14 |
| Yipei_ | i see | 01:15 |
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| Yipei_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449954/ | 01:15 |
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| Yipei_ | i will further improve the patch | 01:16 |
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| zhiyuan_ | at least we can set this attribute in our smoke test and check if the local resource is correctly created | 01:17 |
| zhiyuan_ | before we do some changes on the plugin and xjob code | 01:18 |
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| zhiyuan_ | this can be put in another patch since 514683 is an urgent patch | 01:19 |
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| Yipei_ | good idea, i would like to go on fixing it | 01:22 |
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| zhiyuan_ | thanks yipei | 01:23 |
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| Yipei_ | zhiyuan, you are welcome:) | 01:24 |
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| zhiyuan_ | the patch for default security group has been submitted, what about the other feature, passing the client information to the context, so central neutron server know where the request is from | 01:25 |
| xuzhuang | now i'm doing the direction of requests | 01:26 |
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| zhiyuan_ | cool | 01:27 |
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| zhiyuan_ | for the qos patch, I find some errors in unit tests like test_create_policy_rule, so I think this is qos specific issue | 01:31 |
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| zhiyuan_ | oh, it seems that the owner of the qos patch is offline currently | 01:36 |
| joehuang | maybe ping the owner after the meeting? | 01:37 |
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| zhiyuan_ | ok, will do that | 01:37 |
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| zhiyuan_ | just check the neutron queens-1 tag patch, the change "consume load_class_by_alias_or_classname from neutron-lib" that affects our project is not included in queens-1 | 01:41 |
| joehuang | Sorry I have to leave now for another meeting | 01:41 |
| zhiyuan_ | fine, bye joe | 01:42 |
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| zhiyuan_ | if no other topics, we can also end our meeting a bit earlier | 01:43 |
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| Yipei_ | bye, joe | 01:43 |
| xuzhuang | no for me | 01:43 |
| Yipei_ | no | 01:43 |
| dongfeng2 | no | 01:43 |
| zhiyuan_ | ok, I will ping then qos patch owner offline, thanks for join the meeting | 01:44 |
| zhiyuan_ | s/then/the | 01:44 |
| zhiyuan_ | #endmeeting | 01:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 25 01:44:58 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:45 |
| zhiyuan_ | bye | 01:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-10-25-01.02.html | 01:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-10-25-01.02.txt | 01:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-10-25-01.02.log.html | 01:45 |
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| gongysh | #startmeeting tacker | 04:32 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 25 04:32:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:32 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:32 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 04:32 |
| gongysh | hi | 04:32 |
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| diga | o/ | 04:32 |
| dkushwaha | o/ | 04:32 |
| YanXing_an | o/ | 04:32 |
| phuoc | o/ | 04:32 |
| MinWookKim | o/ | 04:32 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, haha. welcome back | 04:32 |
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| dkushwaha | gongysh, thanks, long time stuck in client request | 04:33 |
| gongysh | ok | 04:33 |
| gongysh | lets start | 04:33 |
| gongysh | #topic bp | 04:33 |
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| gongysh | phuoc, do you have any stuff to discuss for your two bps? | 04:34 |
| phuoc | yes | 04:34 |
| phuoc | the first bp, Kubernetes as VIM | 04:34 |
| phuoc | I will remove using fernet key, use only use barbican to encrypt secret information | 04:35 |
| phuoc | the second bp, I will make spec in Heat translator to make it meet to Tacker requirements for containerized VNF | 04:36 |
| diga | gongysh: phuoc: I have updated the spec with changes as per the comments | 04:36 |
| diga | phuoc: yes, we have to add spec in heat translator for k8s support | 04:37 |
| gongysh | phuoc, the direction is fine for me. | 04:37 |
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| trinaths | Hi All, | 04:37 |
| gongysh | trinaths, hi | 04:37 |
| phuoc | gongysh, about add new container VNFM, do you have any suggestion? | 04:37 |
| phuoc | hi trinaths :) | 04:38 |
| MinWookKim | trinaths, hi:) | 04:38 |
| gongysh | phuoc, you are talk about your 2nd bp? | 04:38 |
| gongysh | talk -> talking | 04:38 |
| trinaths | container VNFM ? | 04:38 |
| phuoc | gongysh, yes | 04:38 |
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| trinaths | hi, gongysh phuoc MinWookKim :) | 04:39 |
| gongysh | phuoc the heat-translator is not in the charge of tacker team | 04:39 |
| diga | we should talk to zala for heat-translator | 04:40 |
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| gongysh | if we use it, we have to first do bp in heat-translator, and then do bp in tacker | 04:40 |
| diga | yes | 04:40 |
| phuoc | I think we should push it in Heat translator | 04:40 |
| gongysh | I think we have tosca-parser and then do tosca-translator in our own way. | 04:41 |
| trinaths | heat-translator is the perfect place. | 04:41 |
| trinaths | phuoc: that way the code is re-usable by other projects. | 04:41 |
| gongysh | I don't think so. heat-translator, the name hints, is to translator from tosca to hot | 04:41 |
| diga | trinaths: +1, I will also go with heat translator | 04:41 |
| gongysh | you guys are enlarge the heat-translator scope. | 04:42 |
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| trinaths | tosca-parser and heat-translator are sub projects to heat. we can have suggestions from Heat guys for this. | 04:42 |
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| trinaths | comments ? | 04:43 |
| phuoc | gongysh, some guys from heat translator agreed to expand the heat translator scope | 04:43 |
| diga | yes, we should talk to heat team and then come to conclusion | 04:43 |
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| phuoc | I asked Boh and Zala about it | 04:43 |
| gongysh | in my opinion, first do tosca-translator in our own repo, and then push to related lib projects. | 04:43 |
| diga | gongysh: you mean to avoid dependancy from start ? | 04:44 |
| phuoc | gongysh, it can be the good way | 04:44 |
| diga | gongysh: you want to implement it in tacker first | 04:44 |
| phuoc | because if we start with Heat translator, it will take so long time | 04:44 |
| gongysh | diga, yes | 04:44 |
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| diga | gongysh: okay | 04:45 |
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| gongysh | do you know at the beginning nova has all of the stuff, and then the network, volume is split from it. | 04:45 |
| diga | I will think through this because how much it will take to implement it in heat-translator, it all depends on it | 04:45 |
| trinaths | gongysh: there are two ways IMO, [1] develop the code for translate within taker and later move it to heat. [2] first develop in heat and then use the lib in tacker | 04:46 |
| diga | but one thing we should get from heat-translator is, we can have full tosca parser support from other project also | 04:46 |
| trinaths | if we use [1] we may spin the wheel where we need to fix issues ourselves when ever there are requirements and changes | 04:46 |
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| dkushwaha | trinaths, agree for 1 | 04:47 |
| trinaths | then using [1] writing translator might be good for now, but moving forward, it might not be the motive of the tacker team. | 04:47 |
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| diga | yes, that's the major problem here | 04:47 |
| diga | trinaths: +1 | 04:47 |
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| trinaths | so if [2] is considered, we can offload the translator issues to heat team after we or heat collaboratedly develop the translator and let heat manage the things | 04:48 |
| gongysh | trinaths, heat-translator is not heat/ | 04:48 |
| trinaths | that way [2] tacker as a MANO project can focus more on its essential future requirements rather than library fixex. | 04:48 |
| trinaths | gongysh: agree. its a subproject from heat. | 04:49 |
| diga | but if we follow [2], then we can develop generic translator which can be used for other projects also | 04:49 |
| diga | with the help of heat | 04:49 |
| phuoc | heat translator has few guys | 04:49 |
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| phuoc | if we want to push it, we have to get involve :) | 04:50 |
| dkushwaha | IMO, its better to first discuss with heat guys | 04:50 |
| gongysh | phuoc, the decision is do it in our own repo first, depends on tosca-parser project. | 04:50 |
| diga | Guys, can I suggest one thing, We should talk to heat/het translator team first then we should decide | 04:50 |
| trinaths | phuoc: we have to. that is the easy way. s | 04:50 |
| trinaths | phuoc: please take this as an action-item and conclude this asap. | 04:51 |
| phuoc | trinaths, ok I will do it soon | 04:51 |
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| trinaths | phuoc: its our initial priority.. | 04:52 |
| phuoc | gongysh, can you approve this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tacker/+spec/kubernetes-as-vim | 04:52 |
| diga | phuoc: You need some help, let me know | 04:52 |
| phuoc | diga, yes its huge work for me | 04:53 |
| trinaths | phuoc: as gongysh said, we can also implement the translator in our code base. but it will contradict Tacker motive. | 04:53 |
| diga | phuoc: already got involved in this and going through heat-translator code base also :) | 04:54 |
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| phuoc | trinaths, I will make a discuss with Zala and choose the best way | 04:55 |
| gongysh | phuoc, my strategy is to do the parser first in our own base, and the put it into other project if needed. if the parser code is just one or two files, maybe we will not split it anyway. | 04:56 |
| gongysh | ok, next bp | 04:56 |
| gongysh | phuoc, I will +2 after my comment is fixed. | 04:56 |
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| phuoc | gongysh, thanks | 04:57 |
| gongysh | and do you guys have tested the devstack script yet? | 04:57 |
| gongysh | I failed because of the ability access to google related site. | 04:57 |
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| trinaths | gongysh: this one ? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508559/ | 04:57 |
| gongysh | yes | 04:58 |
| gongysh | trinaths, have you? | 04:58 |
| trinaths | gongysh: no.. | 04:59 |
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| gongysh | diga, do you have guys to test it? | 04:59 |
| diga | gongysh: okay, will take a look at it | 05:00 |
| gongysh | diga, ok, if it is tested, we can merge it as soon as possible. | 05:00 |
| gongysh | diga, thanks | 05:00 |
| diga | gongysh: yeah, i will test it by tomorrow | 05:01 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, hi | 05:01 |
| trinaths | gongysh: i will test and reply my comments | 05:01 |
| YanXing_an | hi | 05:01 |
| gongysh | do you have any to talk about indirect mode and vnf with vnffg? | 05:01 |
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| YanXing_an | I have saw the comments in indirect mode spec | 05:02 |
| YanXing_an | will update it | 05:02 |
| phuoc | YanXing_an, I think we can apply your spec with container VNFM | 05:03 |
| gongysh | and what about vnffg? | 05:03 |
| trinaths | phuoc: no hurry. | 05:03 |
| YanXing_an | and for vnffg in ns, will try to push the first patch next meeting | 05:03 |
| trinaths | phuoc: lets complete this, mean time we can have indirect-mode ready. | 05:04 |
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| phuoc | trinaths, I mean in the future, not now :) | 05:04 |
| diga | haha | 05:04 |
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| diga | gongysh: I want to introduce one of my company colleague | 05:05 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, can you start the policy mistral action tasks? | 05:05 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, yea, i will resume it now | 05:05 |
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| trinaths | phuoc: :) | 05:05 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, thanks | 05:05 |
| gongysh | next bp | 05:06 |
| gongysh | MinWookKim, hi | 05:06 |
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| MinWookKim | gongysh, hi | 05:06 |
| gongysh | any think to talk about you AMP spec? | 05:07 |
| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505466/ | 05:07 |
| MinWookKim | I'm sorry, Actually security has not yet been considered. | 05:08 |
| MinWookKim | For security, I will update the content after review. | 05:08 |
| gongysh | and also to consider how the system will run if scale, respawn action is trigger backer to tacker system. | 05:09 |
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| MinWookKim | I'll update you soon. | 05:11 |
| gongysh | who is interested in the AMP policy can help to review this spec patch. | 05:11 |
| gongysh | I find Yan Xing an has done one review | 05:11 |
| dkushwaha | i will review it | 05:12 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, thanks | 05:12 |
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| gongysh | tung doan is not back for a long time, | 05:12 |
| gongysh | I think he will be interested in it too | 05:12 |
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| MinWookKim | We are also working on code for scale and respawn actions for the trigger. | 05:12 |
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| gongysh | MinWookKim, ok great | 05:13 |
| MinWookKim | I think so | 05:13 |
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| gongysh | who know where is tung doan? whether will he be back to join us? | 05:14 |
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| phuoc | gongysh, he moved to another project and busy with it | 05:14 |
| dkushwaha | i think, he shifted to Germany | 05:14 |
| phuoc | I will notice him :) | 05:14 |
| janki | o/ | 05:15 |
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| janki | hey gongysh | 05:15 |
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| gongysh | janki, hi | 05:15 |
| gongysh | that is all for bp review | 05:15 |
| gongysh | #topic coding | 05:15 |
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| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tacker | 05:16 |
| phuoc | hi janki :) | 05:16 |
| gongysh | we have some code patch in queue | 05:16 |
| janki | phuoc, heyyy | 05:16 |
| gongysh | not much | 05:16 |
| YanXing_an | hi janki | 05:16 |
| janki | YanXing_an, hello | 05:16 |
| gongysh | please have your time to have a look at. | 05:16 |
| phuoc | Dimitrios Markou is working hard, we should support him :) | 05:17 |
| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509687/ | 05:17 |
| gongysh | phuoc, you are right. | 05:17 |
| trinaths | phuoc: +1 | 05:17 |
| phuoc | I see some his work is very helpful | 05:17 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, you have this +2, how do you think if we merge it? | 05:17 |
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| dkushwaha | gongysh, i haven't tested, but looks fine to me | 05:19 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, ok | 05:19 |
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| gongysh | I have to read the related doc and then merge it. | 05:19 |
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| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:%22Dimitrios+Markou%22+status:open | 05:20 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, there are two related to vnffg | 05:20 |
| diga | gongysh: Let me introduce my colleague from my company, as we have very less time left | 05:20 |
| gongysh | could you please help to review them? | 05:21 |
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| gongysh | #topic open discussion | 05:21 |
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| YanXing_an | gongysh, ok | 05:21 |
| diga | gongysh: msk will be working with me on Tacker | 05:21 |
| gongysh | diga, your time | 05:21 |
| diga | gongysh: yes | 05:21 |
| gongysh | msk? | 05:22 |
| diga | msk (Mohsin) is a architect with having more than 10 years of exp in storage and networking domain | 05:22 |
| phuoc | diga, I can't see him | 05:22 |
| gongysh | is he/she at the channel? | 05:22 |
| YanXing_an | diga, is he here? | 05:22 |
| diga | yeah, he got disconnected | 05:22 |
| diga | he is joining again | 05:23 |
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| diga | now he joined as mohsin | 05:23 |
| dkushwaha | welcome mohsin | 05:23 |
| diga | welcome to tacker mohsin | 05:23 |
| mohsin | Thank you :) | 05:23 |
| phuoc | welcome mohsin to Tacker :) | 05:23 |
| trinaths | mohsin: hi :) | 05:23 |
| YanXing_an | welcome, mohsin | 05:23 |
| gongysh | diga, welcome the senior team member. | 05:23 |
| gongysh | mohsin, hi | 05:23 |
| MinWookKim | welcome mohsin :) | 05:24 |
| diga | mohsin: please introduce | 05:24 |
| gongysh | if we are doing wrong, please help to speak loudly. | 05:24 |
| mohsin | Thanks all | 05:24 |
| diga | :) | 05:24 |
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| mohsin | currently i am working with VMware based NFV platform | 05:24 |
| mohsin | looking forward to contribute in Tacker | 05:25 |
| trinaths | nice | 05:25 |
| gongysh | mohsin, could you please talk some thing aoubt vmware nfv platform? | 05:25 |
| diga | sure | 05:25 |
| gongysh | does it have MANO part? | 05:25 |
| mohsin | yes | 05:26 |
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| diga | gongysh: they have their own mano based NFV orchestrator | 05:26 |
| mohsin | vmware publishes its reference architecture based on MANO | 05:26 |
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| dkushwaha | mohsin, in which company you working? | 05:27 |
| gongysh | mohsin, if it is ok, share us some URL to learn. that will help to save a lot time. | 05:27 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, he is working along with diga. | 05:27 |
| diga | dkushwaha: He is with Calsoft inc. same company I am working with now | 05:27 |
| phuoc | dkushwaha, I think the same company with Diga :) | 05:27 |
| mohsin | https://www.vmware.com/pdf/vmware-validated-design-20-reference-architecture-guide.pdf | 05:28 |
| diga | phuoc: :) | 05:28 |
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| gongysh | mohsin, great | 05:28 |
| dkushwaha | aah, got it | 05:28 |
| mohsin | it is the open link from VMware which describes its ref architecture w.r.t MANO | 05:28 |
| gongysh | 2 mins left | 05:28 |
| trinaths | mohsin: its aligned to ETSI NFV architecture ? | 05:29 |
| gongysh | look forwards to progress within next week. | 05:29 |
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| dkushwaha | who all going to summit? | 05:29 |
| gongysh | thanks everyone. | 05:29 |
| gongysh | I will | 05:29 |
| phuoc | me too | 05:30 |
| gongysh | #endmeeting | 05:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 25 05:30:18 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-10-25-04.32.html | 05:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-10-25-04.32.txt | 05:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-10-25-04.32.log.html | 05:30 |
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| gongysh | see you guys at tacker channel. | 05:30 |
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| b1airo | #startmeeting scientific_wg | 10:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 25 10:02:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is b1airo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 10:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 10:02 |
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| b1airo | oh wait, i could be early... | 10:02 |
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| b1airo | yup | 10:03 |
| b1airo | fail | 10:03 |
| b1airo | #endmeeting | 10:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 25 10:03:53 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-10-25-10.02.html | 10:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-10-25-10.02.txt | 10:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-10-25-10.02.log.html | 10:03 |
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| ildikov | b1airo: you scared the heck out of me for a moment that I missed the meeting :D | 10:25 |
| b1airo | ildikov, dum de dum - nothing to see here o_0 | 10:27 |
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| ildikov | b1airo: all good, been there done that :) | 10:28 |
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| b1airo | take two | 11:01 |
| b1airo | #startmeeting scientific_wg | 11:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 25 11:01:32 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is b1airo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:01 |
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| ildikov | o/ | 11:01 |
| b1airo | evening | 11:01 |
| b1airo | #topic roll call | 11:02 |
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| ildikov | Afternoon :) | 11:02 |
| b1airo | yes, would be more interesting to ask for a time call | 11:02 |
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| b1airo | not sure where oneswig has gotten to | 11:04 |
| ildikov | the beauty of open source and a global community :) | 11:04 |
| tomking | b1airo: hi, i'm on the same BoF as you at SC, happy to partake in this meeting | 11:04 |
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| b1airo | hi tomking! thanks for joining | 11:05 |
| verdurin | Afternoon. | 11:05 |
| b1airo | i was just following up on the BOF email thread - has taken me a while to come around to it | 11:05 |
| b1airo | hi verdurin | 11:06 |
| tomking | :-) | 11:06 |
| b1airo | ok, in terms of agenda the SC17 BOF is really the main thing | 11:07 |
| b1airo | though would also be good to find anyone else interested in participating in the Scientific OpenStack Lightning Talk session at the Sydney Summit | 11:08 |
| b1airo | did anyone have AOB they want to add to the agenda? ildikov - perhaps a word on the wash-up with the hackathon? | 11:08 |
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| ildikov | I can give ORC updates | 11:08 |
| b1airo | greata | 11:09 |
| b1airo | *great | 11:09 |
| ildikov | I have limited knowledge on the hackathon besides the fact that it's cancelled :( | 11:09 |
| ildikov | but we can have a word about that too | 11:09 |
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| b1airo | ok let's get into it then... | 11:09 |
| b1airo | #topic SC17 BOF | 11:09 |
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| b1airo | session details: http://sc17.supercomputing.org/presentation/?id=bof208&sess=sess389 | 11:11 |
| tomking | b1airo: what was the title of your orig bof before the merger? | 11:11 |
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| b1airo | that was it tomking | 11:12 |
| b1airo | same title we used last year | 11:12 |
| b1airo | i guess you weren't there last year? | 11:12 |
| tomking | ok, so they've just squashed the storage bit into your orig | 11:13 |
| b1airo | i've just minted a fresh etherpad to start agenda planning for it: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sc17-openstack-for-hpc-bof | 11:13 |
| tomking | i was, sorry. jetlag excuse | 11:13 |
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| b1airo | yeah pretty much tomking, personally i think cloud - hpc-storage integration could be a bof of its own, but i guess it's easy to see why they were suggested to merge | 11:14 |
| b1airo | i will dig up the etherpad we used last year as a reference point... | 11:15 |
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| tomking | ok, have the vendors suggested anything to you cover or have just me/bruno/simon been in touch? | 11:15 |
| b1airo | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SC16_BOF_Openstack_for_HPC | 11:15 |
| tomking | looking back i went to the panel not the bof last year | 11:17 |
| b1airo | well I must admit I was fairly bullish with the vendor / vendor-reps and made it clear i only wanted to merge the actual user-institutions/practitioners in | 11:17 |
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| tomking | no complaints | 11:19 |
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| b1airo | so tomking, i take it you are expecting what seems to be the typical SC BOF format, i.e., set of short talks and then open discussion, potentially moderated within the BOF group but taking questions from the audience ? | 11:21 |
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| b1airo | last year we did not have that moderator role really, and i think perhaps it would have helped | 11:22 |
| tomking | yes, in that there should/could encourage audience interaction | 11:22 |
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| tomking | the panel session was a bit more to and fro | 11:23 |
| b1airo | we started with a set of high-level areas we were going to cover and then kind of went through them and let a few members of the BOF talk about specific points they had | 11:23 |
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| b1airo | yes, i think the panel session went alright (from what i remember anyway) | 11:24 |
| tomking | ok, how many people turned up for the bof last year? 50-100? | 11:24 |
| b1airo | it was standing room only | 11:24 |
| tomking | ! | 11:24 |
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| oneswig | Hello, apologies for my extreme lateness | 11:24 |
| oneswig | someone nicked the chairs? | 11:24 |
| b1airo | well, there were people standing i remember - though that doesn't mean there wasn't a row of seats empty at the front ;-) | 11:25 |
| b1airo | hi there oneswig | 11:25 |
| oneswig | it certainly was busy | 11:25 |
| b1airo | #chair oneswig | 11:25 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo oneswig | 11:25 |
| martial_ | Hi guys (sorry on phone going to airport) | 11:25 |
| oneswig | hi b1airo, evening | 11:25 |
| oneswig | hi martial_, morning | 11:25 |
| b1airo | no probs martial_ | 11:25 |
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| oneswig | Have you discussed the BoF and lightning talks at the sydney summit? I'ld like to put one in | 11:26 |
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| b1airo | not yet oneswig , just been discussing the SC17 BOF | 11:26 |
| oneswig | Ah OK. | 11:27 |
| b1airo | ok, think we should move along to those other items - i am already following up on the BOF participant email thread and will report back on that next week | 11:27 |
| b1airo | unless you wanted to discuss anything more tomking ? | 11:27 |
| oneswig | before that | 11:28 |
| tomking | no, i'll read through last year's etherpad and suggest if anything comes to mind | 11:28 |
| oneswig | what happened with the merge? | 11:28 |
| b1airo | great, thanks! | 11:28 |
| tomking | presumably update for latest Openstack release | 11:28 |
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| tomking | and a bit more on storage | 11:28 |
| b1airo | oneswig, it's happened - though updating the schedule only happened last week | 11:28 |
| oneswig | ok thanks. | 11:29 |
| b1airo | possibly more on Ironic too | 11:29 |
| tomking | as verdurin will note, bruno and I are suit-wearing manager types these days | 11:29 |
| oneswig | b1airo: tomking: we hit some interesting issues with Pike and Ironic | 11:29 |
| b1airo | so BOF participants are currently listed as: Stig TelferMartial MichelMike LoweTimothy RandlesRobert BuddenBenjamin LynchBruno SilvaTom KingSimon Thompson | 11:30 |
| b1airo | (oh dear, that didn't paste very nicely) | 11:30 |
| oneswig | tomking: are you at the Crick? I'm sitting in Kings Cross | 11:30 |
| verdurin | Didn't realise you meant that sort of merging | 11:30 |
| tomking | no i live at qmul | 11:30 |
| oneswig | ah, got it | 11:31 |
| b1airo | oneswig, shall we ask to remove you and add ...? | 11:31 |
| b1airo | verdurin, haha! | 11:31 |
| tomking | +1 | 11:31 |
| oneswig | oh, hadn't noticed I was still on there! I'll take care of it. | 11:31 |
| b1airo | :thumbs_up: | 11:31 |
| oneswig | slacker | 11:31 |
| b1airo | ;-) | 11:31 |
| tomking | do you want emedlab/climb to prepare a few slides? | 11:32 |
| tomking | on what we've got and how we're doing it right now? | 11:32 |
| b1airo | tomking, yes I think that'd be great | 11:32 |
| tomking | 10 mins worth? | 11:32 |
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| b1airo | will sort that out via email - might need to be shorter depending on how many decks we are going through | 11:33 |
| martial_ | :aw_yeah: | 11:33 |
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| b1airo | we have 1h40m | 11:33 |
| b1airo | #topic Sydney stuff... | 11:33 |
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| oneswig | Last meeting before Sydney for me, I'll be in All the Timezones next Tuesday | 11:34 |
| martial_ | Same for me | 11:34 |
| b1airo | sounds awfully exciting oneswig | 11:34 |
| martial_ | With the hackathon being cancelled... | 11:34 |
| oneswig | It's not the journey b1airo it's the destination :-) | 11:34 |
| b1airo | roll up, roll up, come one, come all: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sydney-scientific-sig-lightning-talks | 11:34 |
| ildikov | oneswig: I'm flying out next Tuesday evening, so I'm with you on that :) | 11:35 |
| oneswig | cancelled? | 11:35 |
| martial_ | Postponed | 11:35 |
| martial_ | To 2018 | 11:35 |
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| oneswig | I hadn't heard that. Must pay attention | 11:35 |
| b1airo | oneswig, you just gained a free weekend in Melbourne and/or Sydney I guess! | 11:35 |
| martial_ | They sent an email to mentors | 11:35 |
| ildikov | we're encouraging the attendees who signed up to come to the Upstream Institute training during the weekend | 11:35 |
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| oneswig | Perfect opportunity to write a lightning talk! | 11:36 |
| ildikov | to learn about the community and do some hacking still | 11:36 |
| oneswig | Hi ildikov - sounds good, where is it? | 11:36 |
| ildikov | the training is in the Sydney Convention and Exhibition Centre - Level 4 - C4.5 | 11:36 |
| ildikov | Saturday 2pm - 6pm and Sunday 9am - 6pm | 11:36 |
| oneswig | b1airo: current plan is to fly Melbourne-Sydney fairly early Saturday morning | 11:37 |
| b1airo | yeah it's a bit of a shame but I think it was always on shaky ground trying to bring it together so late and without solid commitment from the vendors/platforms involved | 11:37 |
| oneswig | ildikov: can you link to it? Do people need to sign up somewhere? | 11:37 |
| ildikov | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20363/upstream-institute-sponsored-by-lenovo-day-1-rsvp-required | 11:38 |
| ildikov | oneswig: ^^ | 11:38 |
| ildikov | only students need to sign up | 11:38 |
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| ildikov | if anyone would like to pop by as a mentor please reach out to us on #openstack-upstream-institute | 11:39 |
| b1airo | so anyway, if you are interested in doing a lightning talk at the summit then please at throw your hat in the etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sydney-scientific-sig-lightning-talks | 11:39 |
| b1airo | anything else on Sydney? | 11:40 |
| oneswig | thanks b1airo I'm doing it | 11:40 |
| b1airo | we have a BOF session to plan too | 11:41 |
| ildikov | b1airo: should I do the ORC update now or in AoB? :) | 11:42 |
| b1airo | #topic ORC update | 11:42 |
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| b1airo | take it away ildikov | 11:42 |
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| ildikov | b1airo: thanks :) | 11:43 |
| ildikov | so we have the first day on the Summit schedule now | 11:43 |
| ildikov | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20534/3rd-open-research-cloudcongress | 11:43 |
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| ildikov | we also sorted out registration related questions for those, who're planning to attend ORC only | 11:44 |
| ildikov | I reached out to the Keystone folks so far to give them a heads up on Craig's session about Federation and ORC in general | 11:45 |
| ildikov | also encouraged them to attend the relevant ORC sessions on Identity | 11:45 |
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| ildikov | also a heads up that the ORC Congress is two days long and only the first day is hosted in the Summit venue | 11:46 |
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| oneswig | ildikov: is the second day venue arranged? | 11:46 |
| martial_ | (thanks ildiko, phone keyboard less efficient) | 11:47 |
| ildikov | there is a separate eventbrite for ORC to get an idea who's coming: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/third-international-open-research-cloud-congress-tickets-36318359190 | 11:47 |
| oneswig | I can only attend the second day I think - unless it's easy to hop between them | 11:47 |
| armstrong | ildikov: so we need to register for both events? | 11:47 |
| martial_ | Wilfred was looking into this | 11:47 |
| ildikov | oneswig: yes, but I can't find the mail about it :/ | 11:48 |
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| ildikov | armstrong: yes | 11:48 |
| martial_ | A location was found from what I know | 11:49 |
| armstrong | ildikov: ok thanks | 11:49 |
| martial_ | Just can not access it just now | 11:49 |
| ildikov | armstrong: we will not turn away anyone from the ORC Congress without a registration though, we would like to have an idea on who's interested and attended overall | 11:49 |
| armstrong | ildikov: Sounds good but am sure I had registered. | 11:50 |
| ildikov | armstrong: Summit registration however is essential as the first day is hosted in that venue | 11:50 |
| ildikov | armstrong: great! | 11:50 |
| ildikov | I also sent out a mail to the ORC ML to help with finding related presentations and Forum sessions | 11:51 |
| b1airo | ok, all done on that? | 11:52 |
| ildikov | I hope that will help with further collaboration between the two communities besides the overlapping participants | 11:52 |
| b1airo | yes, good idea ildikov | 11:52 |
| ildikov | b1airo: do you know if there was any outreach to local universities/institutions about this? | 11:52 |
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| b1airo | about ORC ? | 11:52 |
| ildikov | b1airo: both Summit and ORC, but I'm more curious about ORC as I'm sure we did as much as we could with promoting the Summit there | 11:53 |
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| b1airo | no idea i'm afraid, i imagine Wilfred has promoted it at least a little, but i doubt he would have gone much broader than existing Nectar community | 11:55 |
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| b1airo | we did have the eResearch Australasia conference here last week - that would have been a good venue for promotion... :-/ | 11:55 |
| b1airo | #topic AOB | 11:56 |
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| ildikov | b1airo: :( | 11:56 |
| oneswig | Anyone out there using TripleO with LinuxBridge or OVN, by any chance? | 11:56 |
| oneswig | I've been researching it... want datapoints. | 11:56 |
| ildikov | b1airo: do you know if there's any way to reach out to that group still? | 11:57 |
| b1airo | ildikov, yes there is, there are a few national projects/groups that effectively spam everyone in the sector :-) | 11:58 |
| ildikov | b1airo: nice :) | 11:58 |
| b1airo | oneswig, isn't OVS more equivalent to linux-bridge? | 11:58 |
| verdurin | b1airo: would like to hear about your local developments, that I don't think you got around to last week? Not now, clearly. | 11:58 |
| oneswig | b1airo: older, simpler, some say faster | 11:59 |
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| oneswig | that is the question | 11:59 |
| ildikov | b1airo: if you could give some pointers after the meeting that would be great and then we can decide what and what not to do :) | 11:59 |
| b1airo | ildikov, for example AeRO | 11:59 |
| priteau | In AOB I wanted to mention that Blazar became an official OpenStack project at the end of September. We'll be in the Queens release! | 11:59 |
| oneswig | We've hit some problems with Nova+Ironic on Pike this last week or two which we ought to write up. | 11:59 |
| oneswig | Bravo priteau | 11:59 |
| oneswig | Did I mail you earlier? | 11:59 |
| b1airo | but the conference also has a mailing/contact list too - tricky to ask them to use it though... | 11:59 |
| ildikov | priteau: +1, great news, congrats! | 12:00 |
| priteau | oneswig: got your email, thanks! | 12:00 |
| oneswig | Great. Just checking I'm still sane | 12:00 |
| b1airo | priteau, awesome! | 12:00 |
| verdurin | well done priteau | 12:00 |
| oneswig | priteau: we need to set a date and I'd like to bring some 'friends' | 12:01 |
| oneswig | to chat blazar | 12:01 |
| b1airo | are you guys arranging a playdate? | 12:01 |
| priteau | oneswig: absolutely, do let me know when is a good time | 12:01 |
| oneswig | got a new gaming rig b1airo! | 12:01 |
| b1airo | ha | 12:02 |
| oneswig | ah, we are out of time. | 12:02 |
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| b1airo | to be continued in #scientific-wg | 12:02 |
| b1airo | #endmeeting | 12:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 25 12:02:19 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-10-25-11.01.html | 12:02 |
| b1airo | thanks all! | 12:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-10-25-11.01.txt | 12:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-10-25-11.01.log.html | 12:02 |
| oneswig | alas, gotta get onto a train now. | 12:02 |
| oneswig | Thanks all | 12:02 |
| armstrong | Thanks | 12:02 |
| priteau | Bye everyone | 12:02 |
| martial_ | Bye everyone | 12:02 |
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| witek | #startmeeting monasca | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 25 14:00:38 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is witek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 14:00 |
| witek | hello | 14:01 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 14:01 |
| jgr | Hello | 14:01 |
| cbellucci | o/ | 14:01 |
| koji | o/ | 14:01 |
| witek | there is no agenda for today | 14:01 |
| rhochmuth | witek: i've been out for a few days, will try and answer our questions later today | 14:01 |
| rhochmuth | witek: sorry about that | 14:01 |
| witek | thanks | 14:01 |
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| witek | no problem | 14:02 |
| witek | do we have any topics for today? | 14:02 |
| witek | Zuul migration is almost completed | 14:03 |
| witek | there are new gate jobs in almost all repos | 14:03 |
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| witek | the configuration is now maintained in a given repo itself | 14:04 |
| witek | e.g. https://github.com/openstack/monasca-api/blob/master/.zuul.yaml | 14:04 |
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| witek | the referenced playbooks live here: https://github.com/openstack/monasca-api/tree/master/playbooks/legacy/monasca-tempest-base | 14:05 |
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| witek | thanks everyone working on this | 14:06 |
| witek | if we don't have any topics, I would like to bring some review to your attention | 14:07 |
| witek | reviews | 14:07 |
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| tobiajo | hi | 14:08 |
| sc | let's go with reviews | 14:08 |
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| tobiajo | +1 | 14:08 |
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| witek | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001231 | 14:09 |
| witek | Cassandra support | 14:09 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:topic/cassandra | 14:09 |
| witek | jgu is quite far with his changes | 14:09 |
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| tobiajo | maybe stupid question, but why does it fail the zuul checks? | 14:10 |
| witek | the last check was run on Oct 19 | 14:10 |
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| witek | rechecking should work now | 14:11 |
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| jgu | the persister patch fails because of maven dependency on the common patch | 14:11 |
| jgu | common and api patch passed zuul I think +-) | 14:12 |
| witek | jgu: you'll have to rebase the api change | 14:12 |
| witek | I have added one task to the story | 14:13 |
| jgu | yep, thanks | 14:13 |
| witek | you might want to have a try, or someone from our team takes care of it | 14:13 |
| witek | 5793: add zuul gate jobs with tempest tests | 14:14 |
| jgu | I got the pointers from Ryan where to to add the zuul gates. We will give it a try. | 14:15 |
| witek | great | 14:15 |
| jgu | but welcome help if anyone on your team wants to offer help! | 14:15 |
| witek | I would appreciate a lot a review from HPE on monasca-api change | 14:16 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/500123 | 14:16 |
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| rhochmuth | will do | 14:16 |
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| witek | rhochmuth: thanks a lot | 14:16 |
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| jgu | rhochmuth: thanks! | 14:17 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/507513 | 14:17 |
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| witek | Luka Peschke from CloudKitty kindly requested some reviews | 14:18 |
| witek | he implemented Monasca collector for CloudKitty | 14:18 |
| rhochmuth | thanks luka | 14:18 |
| witek | yes, it's nice to have some cross-project work | 14:19 |
| rhochmuth | i'll also try to get some reviews on cassandra and cloud kitty done this week | 14:19 |
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| rhochmuth | i've been somewhat absent on reviews lately | 14:19 |
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| akiraY | Tomasz, thanks for your many reviews. | 14:21 |
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| witek | :) Tomasz and rhochmuth are most active reviewers, thanks | 14:22 |
| jgu | +1 "Tomasz, thanks for your many reviews" | 14:22 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/510700 | 14:22 |
| rhochmuth | well, i haven't done much recently | 14:22 |
| rhochmuth | but will try to help in that area | 14:23 |
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| rhochmuth | we'll see what happens this week though | 14:23 |
| witek | new agent plugin for linuxcontainers | 14:24 |
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| witek | Joe Keen had a look at it already | 14:25 |
| witek | and another plugin: | 14:25 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/513391 | 14:25 |
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| witek | new contributor from Orange Labs | 14:26 |
| Fouad_Benamrane | Hello all | 14:26 |
| witek | hi Fouad | 14:26 |
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| akiraY | hi | 14:27 |
| sc | I like this | 14:27 |
| Fouad_Benamrane | sc: thanks | 14:27 |
| witek | so hopefully we'll get some eyes on these | 14:27 |
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| Fouad_Benamrane | witek: ok | 14:28 |
| witek | we also have some extension to grafana-datasource | 14:30 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/513366 | 14:30 |
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| witek | I guess, that was all on my list | 14:31 |
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| jgr | Yeah, I'll need to polish a few things about that extension still... | 14:32 |
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| jgr | Will take a while, though - currently packaging all the dependencies for that... | 14:33 |
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| witek | do you have any topics or reviews? | 14:35 |
| jgr | Not at the moment | 14:35 |
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| witek | next week we have a public holiday and I'm not sure if I will be able to participate in the team meeting | 14:35 |
| witek | rhochmuth: could you lead the meeting? | 14:36 |
| rhochmuth | i might | 14:36 |
| witek | thanks | 14:36 |
| rhochmuth | jgr, are you available? | 14:36 |
| rhochmuth | or someone else, just in case | 14:36 |
| jgr | rhochmuth: next week? | 14:36 |
| rhochmuth | yes | 14:36 |
| jgr | rhochmuth: let me quickly check...I think that one's not a public holidy here... | 14:36 |
| akiraYo | please review griddb metrics repository. | 14:37 |
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| jgr | Ok, not a public holiday here (only Tuesday). I'll be here. | 14:38 |
| witek | anyone can start the meeting | 14:38 |
| witek | help is here: https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot | 14:38 |
| rhochmuth | right, i was just concerend about my avaialbilyt | 14:38 |
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| witek | and here http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Monasca_Team_Meeting | 14:38 |
| rhochmuth | i will try and make it though | 14:38 |
| sc | I can be the backup of the back ;-) | 14:39 |
| rhochmuth | thx witek | 14:39 |
| rhochmuth | thx sc | 14:39 |
| sc | rhochmuth: drop me an email if you can't do | 14:39 |
| witek | and in two weeks I will be attending the Summit | 14:39 |
| witek | same story :/ | 14:39 |
| rhochmuth | we should cancel that week, as is common with all the weekly meetings | 14:39 |
| akiraYo | me, too. | 14:40 |
| witek | yes, we might do that | 14:40 |
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| witek | OK, let's cancel then the meeting on Nov 8 | 14:41 |
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| akiraYo | ok. | 14:41 |
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| witek | if there is nothing more, I'll be closing | 14:42 |
| nseyvet | ok. thx | 14:42 |
| nseyvet | bye | 14:42 |
| akiraYo | thanks. | 14:42 |
| jgu | thx Witek | 14:42 |
| witek | thank you, bye | 14:42 |
| rhochmuth | thx | 14:42 |
| rhochmuth | bye-bye | 14:42 |
| jgr | Thanks | 14:42 |
| jgr | Bye | 14:42 |
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| witek | #endmeeting | 14:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 25 14:42:58 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-10-25-14.00.html | 14:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-10-25-14.00.txt | 14:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-10-25-14.00.log.html | 14:43 |
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| ad_rien_ | #startmeeting massively_distributed_clouds | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 25 15:00:29 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ad_rien_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: massively_distributed_clouds)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'massively_distributed_clouds' | 15:00 |
| parus | Good Morning/Afternoon! | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | #chair parus ad_rien_ | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ad_rien_ parus | 15:00 |
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| ad_rien_ | #topic roll call | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: massively_distributed_clouds)" | 15:01 | |
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| ad_rien_ | Please update the etherpad ;) | 15:01 |
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| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 line 1413 | 15:01 |
| rcherrueau | o/ | 15:01 |
| ansmith | o/ | 15:01 |
| jamemcc_ | hello | 15:01 |
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| ad_rien_ | anyone from FBK, Ericsson ? | 15:02 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | seems not | 15:03 |
| dancn | yes, FBK, but in another meeting also, partial ttention | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | ok thanks dancn | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | so a few of them are on vacations on Inria too. | 15:03 |
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| ad_rien_ | Actually I should have been off too but… | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic news | 15:03 |
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| ad_rien_ | as usual please go to the pad, read/amend/complete | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | If you have questions or some points you would like to discuss please do it ;) | 15:04 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok let's switch to the next topic so ;) | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic ongoing-actions | 15:05 |
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| ad_rien_ | we have two important points to discuss today | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | (at least from my side): | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | 1./ the F2F meeting | 15:06 |
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| ad_rien_ | 2./ the use-cases' slides | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | I propose to start with 1./ | 15:06 |
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| ad_rien_ | as you can see, I already added a couple of links toward the different sessions/presentations that are scheduled for the Sydney meeting. | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | I would like to ask anyone to complete this list with presentations that you believe are relevant for our discussions | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | (i.e. please explain what you/we can expect from the discussion). | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | I will open a dedicated etherpad | 15:07 |
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| ad_rien_ | Regarding the agenda: Can you please add your expectations (i.e. points you would like to discuss). | 15:08 |
| jamemcc_ | Thanks for the long list of related sessions - I was able to mine a couple of them to add to the Suggested LCOO working group sessions - thanks | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | I remind that I will not attend the summit this time. dpertin and parus will chair the session | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | so parus maybe you would like to highlight some points in particular? | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | regarding the agenda | 15:09 |
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| parus | do we agreee that the next IRC session will be in late novement? | 15:09 |
| parus | November? | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | Nov 22 ? | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | If I'm right | 15:10 |
| parus | That works for me. | 15:10 |
| parus | Of course, we will create an etherpad for the f2f so anyonne interested can find out what happens. | 15:10 |
| jamemcc_ | Communication proposal - I'm assuming we will use the ongoing working pad - even for the F2F session - alternative is we would setup a standalone pad just for that session. In either case we should let the speakersupport@openstack.org knw to change the text description here https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/19510/fogedgemassively-distributed-clouds-working-group to include hyperlink to that pad. | 15:11 |
| jamemcc_ | 22 ok for me | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | @parus done | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | @jamemcc_ good point | 15:12 |
| jamemcc_ | If the F2F is likely to bemore of a birds of a feather session - people coming and attending who are not usual collaborators - maybe standlone makes more sense | 15:12 |
| jamemcc_ | FYI - I will not be travelling to Sydney either | 15:13 |
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| ad_rien_ | guys would you please put your name once again on the pad (i.e. the F2F meeting if you attend the summit) | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so that's all from my side right now. | 15:14 |
| jamemcc_ | I can work with Parus to set it up - not a big debate needed here I think | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | parus: we can iterate offline to make progress on the agenda. dpertin will also give an overview of the ongoing activities of the WG/SIG/Team | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | great let's move forward so | 15:14 |
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| parus | OK. I think there was an item about Neutron also that we were planning to address at sidney. Right? | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | parus could you please elaborate a bit more ? | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | we have a new PhD student that should start by december (hopefully) | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | but right now we didn't do anything from our side around Neutron. Did I miss(understand) something | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:16 |
| parus | Maybe my memory is fuzzy. but I thought we mentionned something like that in past meeting about cell v2 and neutron. | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | there is indeed some discussions about how including similar concepts of Cell V2 in neutron | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | I do not know what are the current progress? | 15:16 |
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| ad_rien_ | that can be one point to put in the agenda indeed | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | good point | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:17 |
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| parus | I thought the action was to contact people from Neutron... and sydney might be a good time. | 15:17 |
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| parus | thanks. | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/FEMDC-F2F-meeting-sydney-summit let's start to work on the agenda | 15:18 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | may I suggest to move on the use-cases bullet ? | 15:19 |
| parus | yes | 15:19 |
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| ad_rien_ | #topic use-cases' presentation | 15:20 |
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| ad_rien_ | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1pAAdrzn1kgQCCAffdngiE-NvzsDn8sN4Uj6NFV6NgjQ/edit?usp=sharing | 15:20 |
| parus | Thanks for anyone to provide comments to this draft. | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | May I propose to spend 20 min on this point | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | I think it is important that we have a common understanding ? | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | Is it ok | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:21 |
| parus | +! | 15:21 |
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| parus | +! | 15:21 |
| parus | +1 | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | So slide 3, I will prepare the content | 15:21 |
| dancn | +1 FBK will add something right after the fog congress next week | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | Slide 4 | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | What do you mean by Service Scenarios ? | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | Please parus | 15:22 |
| parus | Service Scenarios = VoLTE or uCPE or .... | 15:22 |
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| parus | some service that telcos offer to entreprise or consumer. | 15:23 |
| parus | or some service that an enterprise builds. | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:23 |
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| ad_rien_ | my point is that it is difficult to see the diff between Deployment scenarios vs service scenarios | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | but it seems you know what you are talking about | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | ;) | 15:24 |
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| ad_rien_ | so let's move forward | 15:24 |
| parus | Deployment scenario would be cinder on edge , or cinder on central node. | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | whereas services are more about applicaitons, correct? | 15:24 |
| parus | yes | 15:24 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:25 |
| parus | Application is a good word. Let's change service for application. | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | ok maybe putting deployment scenarios at that time is a bit sooner | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | too early | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | sorry | 15:25 |
| jamemcc_ | Parus - thanks I see the VM machines are low profile and include non Linux. | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | maybe we can talk about different sandboxing technologies | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | i.e. VM, containers, unikernel | 15:26 |
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| ad_rien_ | .. | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:26 |
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| parus | I am happy to. serverless too. | 15:27 |
| parus | jamecc: does that address your point? | 15:27 |
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| ad_rien_ | Slide 7 ? | 15:28 |
| ansmith | Slide 7 - the term 'Edge Node' is not clear to me, the slide refers to relationships/attributes of app, frameworks, premises, etc. | 15:28 |
| ad_rien_ | can I? | 15:28 |
| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:29 |
| ad_rien_ | good point | 15:29 |
| ad_rien_ | Edge sites vs edge nodes (i.e. site= a micro/nano DC vs nodes = a server | 15:29 |
| ad_rien_ | ) | 15:29 |
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| ansmith | +1 | 15:29 |
| ad_rien_ | They may be different | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | OpenStack / Kubernetes | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | not sure it should be presented in that way | 15:30 |
| parus | What way do you suggest? | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | (once again don't get me wrong, this is your presentation parus, so just some feedbacks from our side) | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | ;) | 15:30 |
| parus | I am open to suggestion... can you be more specific? | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | A mCPE vs a C-RAN | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | what do it mean? | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | maybe two slides | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | the first one hardware oriented | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | the second one software oriented | 15:31 |
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| ad_rien_ | i.e. slide 6 hardware oriented | 15:31 |
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| ad_rien_ | i.e. what's make an edge site different than a normal cloud from the hardware viewpoint/requirements | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | and then Slide 7: what make en edge site different… from the software viewpoint | 15:32 |
| ad_rien_ | you can run Kubernetes on top of OpenStack (and actually a lot of end-users do that) | 15:32 |
| ad_rien_ | e.g., the FBK use-case for instance | 15:32 |
| parus | OK I get it. This is a good point. | 15:32 |
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| parus | I think it is three slides: | 15:32 |
| parus | one to define edge, one to show hw options, one to show sw options | 15:33 |
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| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:34 |
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| ad_rien_ | I mean how you provide then containers, unikernel, VM, baremetals | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | is another question | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | "They may be in different administrative domains" | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | this is an important assumption | 15:35 |
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| ad_rien_ | just to let you know that we do not take it right now | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | as it makes the global pictures much more difficult | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | (i.e. you need to think about peering agreement ....) | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | in other way, having a global Openstack to supervise/orchestrate a (large) couple of edge sites might be relevant | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | (whatever if you are leveraging a broker or a fully distributed approach) | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | but supervising several systems looks definitely a real challenge | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | I'm not sure even ONAP is targetting that | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | billing, …. | 15:36 |
| parus | Are you suggesting I leave this point out? | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | this will become a nightmare | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | I think this point is more relevant to the guys that deal with federation challenge | 15:37 |
| parus | We want to focus on things that Openstack people can act on. | 15:37 |
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| ad_rien_ | see for instance the current efforts that are done in NIST | 15:37 |
| parus | That is the audience. | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | There is a difference from my viewpoint between federations | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | and edge computing | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | is it clear ? | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20475/supporting-general-federation-for-large-scale-collaborations Federation objective | 15:38 |
| parus | it is different... but there are a lot of federating questions around edge that are specific. | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | here you really target to interconnect different domains | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | there are some overlaps indeed but | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | the evil in the details :-P | 15:39 |
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| ad_rien_ | the evil is ;) | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | sorry | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | we discussed a lot with Craig Lee during the first year of the WG | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | for instance you have to deal with Keystone federation challenges | 15:40 |
| parus | I am happy to leave the topic out. I would really like people to walk out of the presentation and think about how edge impact Neutron, how it impact cell v2, how it may impact AMQP ... etc. | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | where are in a edge infrastructure operated by the same telco this question can be non relevant | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | +1 | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | so maybe you can add that in the software slide | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | (i.e. according to what we discuss before) | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | from the software view point it is different than the federation challenge | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | from the hardware also | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | because it is a single domain (at least in the vision we have/share) | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | butonce again this is your deck ;) | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | so please take it as feedback not an obligation (I do not want to be impolite) | 15:41 |
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| parus | How do you feel about the question on privacy? | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | I really like the latest slides | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | I think they put the right questions | 15:42 |
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| ad_rien_ | coul dyou please elaborate a bit more ? | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | @rcherrueau is our privacy expert ;) | 15:43 |
| parus | 11:42 | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | He made his Phd on it. | 15:43 |
| parus | even though it might be the same domain. | 15:43 |
| parus | One driver of edge, is that private content can stay local. | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | Privacy is something rather large. Could you please precise your point? | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:43 |
| parus | This is a new attribute for openstack. | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | indeed | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | yes location | 15:43 |
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| parus | Should we open that topic with this audience? | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | we should be able to reify the location at the end-users/developers API level | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | may make sense | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | Maybe asking the question or at least mentioning sounds good | 15:45 |
| parus | I will add that as a bullet. | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:45 |
| parus | Maybe on side 14. | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | 11:45 | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | I think we should close that point | 15:46 |
| ad_rien_ | We can iterate offlne for sure | 15:46 |
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| parus | Can you please make sure to mark comments on the presentation? I will review offline. | 15:46 |
| ad_rien_ | we can iterate by mail. It will be easier | 15:46 |
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| parus | Great. Thanks for the input. | 15:46 |
| ad_rien_ | Ok any other comment ? | 15:47 |
| parus | did we address jamecc's point? | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | ok I propose to switch to AMQP to have a short overview of what has been done (unless dancn wants to add something regarding the fog congress) ? | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | (jamemcc_ can you double check that your comment(s) is/are in the slide please) | 15:48 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:48 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic AMQP | 15:48 |
| dancn | no update, we are working on the demo right now... :-) | 15:48 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok thanks | 15:48 |
| ad_rien_ | I will put it in the pad | 15:48 |
| ad_rien_ | ansmith: ? | 15:48 |
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| ansmith | not much to update, we are scheduling a meeting in early november to discuss testing details | 15:49 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | anything else ? | 15:49 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic open discussions | 15:51 |
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| ad_rien_ | so as I wrote I have to send the offical email for switching to a SIG | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | jamemcc_: did you already do it for LCCO ? | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | jamemcc_: are you still there? | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | (by the way this is the only point I have from my side, so please feel free to add any comment/remark if you have some) | 15:54 |
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| parus | There is a call on white paper starting in 5 min. | 15:54 |
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| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:55 |
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| ad_rien_ | so if there is nothing else. I propose to end the meeting now? | 15:55 |
| parus | +1 | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | so thanks everyone | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | Feel free to complete/amend the pad | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | . | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 25 15:55:48 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-10-25-15.00.html | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-10-25-15.00.txt | 15:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-10-25-15.00.log.html | 15:55 |
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| smcginnis | Oh jungleboyj, where art thou? | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | I am here. | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | #startmeeting cinder | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 25 16:01:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:01 |
| Swanson | Hello | 16:01 |
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| lhx__ | hi all | 16:01 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:01 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | courtesy ping: jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers | 16:01 |
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| rajinir | o/ | 16:01 |
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| tommylikehu | hi | 16:01 |
| gouthamr | hi o/ | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Sorry, have a 'sick kid' that had questions. | 16:02 |
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| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | Give people another minute to join. | 16:02 |
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| Guest74730 | hi! | 16:02 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 16:02 |
| Swanson | You used up that minute. | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Guest74730: Gorka, you are very guest like. | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | we're now 3 minutes in | 16:03 |
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| patrickeast | o/ | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Ok ok. | 16:03 |
| Guest74730 | jungleboyj: I just noticed! XD | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: :) | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | #topic announcements | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | So, nothing on the agenda today other than announcements. | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | sweet! | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | short meeting :) | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Don't jinx it. | 16:04 |
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| jungleboyj | As always, please keep an eye on the spec review tracking. | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: oops | 16:04 |
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| jungleboyj | We have had some more specs approved that I need to get added to the list. | 16:04 |
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| jungleboyj | Will get that done. | 16:04 |
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| jungleboyj | I did cut queens-1 last week. | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Are you guys still blocked up on Zuulv3 issues? | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | And we were actually able to process it. | 16:05 |
| eharney | yeah, need to get encryption key migration into that list | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | Still backed up, but we've been able to get a few through. | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Cool. | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | One big remaining issue with service tarballs not getting signed. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Ok, will do. | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | #action jungleboyj to add encryption key migration to the spec review tracking. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | Any other items that people know need to be added? | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | Guess not. :-) | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | None I know of. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you to everyone who updated the Sydney information page to indicate they will be there. | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Got that link handy again? | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | Still a small group but some of us will be there. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-sydney-information | 16:08 |
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| jungleboyj | So, that was all I had for today. Thank you to those of you who have helped do reviews the last week. | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | Hopefully that list will grow at least a little bit. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | But hopefully a much bigger list for the PTG in Dublin. | 16:09 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Open Discussion | 16:10 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: You said that the Dublin dates were officially announced? | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, let me see if I can find that now, but last week of Feb, first week of March. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Cool. Thanks. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Any update on getting the driverfixes branch working again? | 16:11 |
| eharney | jungleboyj: i think it's getting close, waiting for some job results now, need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/515111/ to start | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | Oh wow. Well, I found Thierry's tweet, but with the reply to it I better not link to it. | 16:12 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj, smcginnis: here is it: https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Thanks! | 16:12 |
| e0ne | there was an announcement in openstack-dev too | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Awesome. | 16:13 |
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| * DuncanT is looking forward to seeing folks in Dublin | 16:13 | |
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| diablo_rojo | Daww :) | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: Yay! It will be great to see you! | 16:13 |
| DuncanT | If you've any generic questions about Ireland, shout :-) | 16:14 |
| diablo_rojo | Shame you couldn't make it to OSD UK | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | diablo_rojo: Yeah | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: can you adjust the weather in Feb ? :) | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: I have a question. Do they have any beer there? | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Can you let me know when driverfixes looks good so I can try to get the many backed up patches through? | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: +1 | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: You can have rain in any temperature you like as long as it is cold | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: He he. | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: excellent!! I love choices | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: No. The Irish don't drink, ever | 16:15 |
| eharney | jungleboyj: i've started rebasing some patches there, hopefully they will start showing +V | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Bummer | 16:15 |
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| diablo_rojo | How about whiskey? | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Ok. Thanks. I will watch. | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | Whiskey? Oh yes. | 16:16 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: I'll post up a Dublin ale pubs and microbrewer map | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | Cool. | 16:16 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: you must to try guinness there :) | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | So, do we anything else for open discussion time? | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Think I've heard of that one. :) | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | Other than beer and whiskey? | 16:17 |
| diablo_rojo | DuncanT, can we do a Jameson tour? | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: What's that one that actual distills in Dublin now. | 16:18 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: we can't talk about something else now | 16:18 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, what else could there be? | 16:18 |
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| diablo_rojo | :) | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Toured there last time I went through and the tasting was pretty good. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | So, I am taking that as a no. | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | Teeling! | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Yeah, I think we're past being productive. | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | Well, at least productive in the way our employers would prefer. | 16:19 |
| * jungleboyj has plenty I need to be productive on. | 16:19 | |
| jungleboyj | We have plenty of time to plan drinking in Dublin. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | Not much time before Sydney. | 16:19 |
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| jungleboyj | One drinking destination at a time. | 16:19 |
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| jungleboyj | On the bright side, I now know how to get people to participate in the meeting. | 16:20 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok team. Thank you to all of you who are helping to keep things running smoothly. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | Oh, one last thing. | 16:21 |
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| jungleboyj | Next week's meeting. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | I will either be in the air or just landing at LAX. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | So I don't know that I will be able to run the meeting. | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | We can probably skip. | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | Maybe just send important updates out via the ML? | 16:22 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, are we on the same flight? lol | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | That would be funny. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Don't know. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: That sounds good. | 16:23 |
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| jungleboyj | So watch the mailing list for meeting plans over the next few weeks. | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 16:24 |
| diablo_rojo | Sounds good. Will do. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | Probably will note meet on 11/8 but get back to the regular schedule on 11/15. | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. Safe travels to all who are traveling. Talk to you all later. | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 16:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 25 16:26:24 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:26 |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-10-25-16.01.html | 16:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-10-25-16.01.txt | 16:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-10-25-16.01.log.html | 16:26 |
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| diablo_rojo | _alastor_, late to the party ;) | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:27 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (*ï¾ŸÍ âˆ€ Í )ﾉ | 16:27 |
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| _alastor_ | diablo_rojo: yeah. I always miss my alarm for this meeting | 16:28 |
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| diablo_rojo | _alastor_, MOAR alarms! | 16:30 |
| _alastor_ | diablo_rojo: ;) | 16:30 |
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| thingee | _alastor_: you should be up in time right? isn't your baby your alarm now? | 16:55 |
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| _alastor_ | thingee: I'm definitely up, I just get distracted with the baby :) | 17:00 |
| diablo_rojo | _alastor_, better have a bunch of baby pictures and videos to show off in two weeks | 17:01 |
| _alastor_ | diablo_rojo: oh, you have no idea | 17:01 |
| _alastor_ | diablo_rojo: it's gonna be a deluge | 17:01 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 25 18:00:26 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:00 |
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| bh526r | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:00 | |
| krenczewski | Hi Bin | 18:00 |
| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:00 |
| bh526r | Hi Kamil | 18:00 |
| krenczewski | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:00 |
| bh526r | Thank you for joining. | 18:01 |
| bh526r | How is everything going? | 18:01 |
| krenczewski | Struggling with setting up dev environment | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | what happened? | 18:01 |
| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:02 |
| bh526r | Hi Jin | 18:02 |
| jinli | Hi bin and kamil | 18:02 |
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| krenczewski | I am working on integrating networking-opencontrail witn networking-bgpvpn | 18:02 |
| krenczewski | Hi Jin | 18:02 |
| krenczewski | but I have some troubles with devstack and ubuntu 16 | 18:02 |
| krenczewski | Nothing unususal | 18:02 |
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| bh526r | :) I see. What is the rational of "integrating" contrail with bgpvpn? | 18:03 |
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| krenczewski | to allow bgpvpn to be started by neutron and use contrail as a worker | 18:04 |
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| krenczewski | networking-bgpvpn is a Nautron api extension | 18:04 |
| pcarver | is "integrating" the right word? I think "writing a new driver" might be what you mean | 18:04 |
| krenczewski | probably | 18:05 |
| bh526r | I see. So use contrail as a backend driver (implementation) of bgpvpn | 18:05 |
| krenczewski | right | 18:05 |
| pcarver | There has been a Contrail driver for networking-bgpvpn for quite a while, but the networking-opencontrail driver is a newly designed driver | 18:05 |
| bh526r | so basically update the original contrail driver of bgpvpn with the new networking-opencontrail | 18:06 |
| krenczewski | I'll look into that, I didn't explore this topic yet | 18:06 |
| pcarver | I think it's a re-write, I'm not sure, but I don't think it uses the original driver that was written early on | 18:06 |
| bh526r | Probably | 18:07 |
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| krenczewski | current networking-opencontrail has a very little in common with original contrail driver | 18:08 |
| bh526r | So in general, the intention is to use opencontrail as backend for everything, while allow to support Neutron's bgpvpn APIs | 18:08 |
| krenczewski | yes, something like that | 18:08 |
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| bh526r | so that is "re-write" | 18:08 |
| krenczewski | Paul? | 18:09 |
| bh526r | Great. Good luck with those "not unusual" hickups in setting up dev environment | 18:09 |
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| bh526r | #topic Update | 18:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Update (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:10 | |
| krenczewski | Thanks :-) | 18:10 |
| bh526r | #info Kamil is setting up dev environment to use networking-opencontrail as backend driver of networking-bgpvpn | 18:10 |
| bh526r | #info The intention is to use opencontrail as backend for everything, while allow to support Neutron's bgpvpn APIs | 18:11 |
| jinli | I wrote the code according to our meeting last week. I will need to run some test case to make sure at least the front end rest api is working | 18:11 |
| bh526r | #info Nothing unusual, but some hickups in environment setup | 18:11 |
| jinli | I will schedule a meeting with you next week to review code and run a full test | 18:12 |
| bh526r | #info Jin is focusing on backend Shim Layer, and working on the code | 18:12 |
| bh526r | Sure | 18:12 |
| bh526r | #info Jin will run some test case to make sure at least the front end rest api is working | 18:13 |
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| bh526r | #info Jin and Bin will meet next week to do code review and full test, if possible | 18:13 |
| bh526r | Looks like business as usual. | 18:14 |
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| bh526r | any other update to share? | 18:14 |
| jinli | that's all for me | 18:14 |
| bh526r | thank you Jin and Kamil. | 18:15 |
| krenczewski | Thank you | 18:15 |
| jinli | thank you! | 18:15 |
| bh526r | If nothing else, we can finish meeting. | 18:15 |
| krenczewski | Great | 18:15 |
| bh526r | #info Nothing else, meeting adjourned | 18:15 |
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| bh526r | feel free to hang in and chat, but meeting finished :) | 18:16 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:16 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 25 18:16:21 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-10-25-18.00.html | 18:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-10-25-18.00.txt | 18:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-10-25-18.00.log.html | 18:16 |
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| bh526r | Thank you everyone, and bye all | 18:16 |
| krenczewski | Bye | 18:16 |
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| SotK | storyboard folk! | 18:59 |
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| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 18:59 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 25 18:59:50 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:59 |
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| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda | 19:00 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 19:00 |
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| SotK | The database consolidation patch was merged, thank you for the reviews there! | 19:00 |
| Zara | thanks for writing it! | 19:00 |
| SotK | now hopefully our gate works a bit more smoothly | 19:00 |
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| SotK | I'd like to fix the test suite more but that is low priority for me now | 19:01 |
| Zara | the os testr patch did pass its tests immediately after | 19:01 |
| Zara | so that's a good sign | 19:01 |
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| diablo_rojo | I think I just +1ed it | 19:01 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504525/ | 19:01 |
| * SotK will review that this evening | 19:02 | |
| Zara | thanks | 19:02 |
| Zara | and thanks mtreinish! :D | 19:02 |
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| SotK | indeed! | 19:03 |
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| SotK | the next thing I want to look at is fixing this weird emails bug, but I've not had time to pester anyone about helping this last week or two | 19:03 |
| Zara | I've only just got to reviews :/ | 19:04 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, gotta ask for help or else no one will know you need help :) | 19:05 |
| SotK | diablo_rojo: I know, but time goes so fast D: | 19:05 |
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| Zara | I swear it was july last week | 19:06 |
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| SotK | this matches my perception | 19:06 |
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| diablo_rojo | Same. | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | I blinked and three months passed. | 19:06 |
| SotK | I should get to rebasing and finishing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370312/ like I did with the automatic worklists patch soon too | 19:07 |
| SotK | one day the teams implementation will be fully featured | 19:07 |
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| Zara | oh, neat | 19:08 |
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| diablo_rojo | That day should be soon now that I have proposed this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513875/ | 19:08 |
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| diablo_rojo | A release goal. | 19:08 |
| SotK | \o/ thanks diablo_rojo | 19:08 |
| Zara | yes, thanks! | 19:08 |
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| Zara | I've skimmed but not read in depth yet (and feel much guilt about that) | 19:08 |
| diablo_rojo | Don't thank me yet- hasn't been merged and once it has we have a lot of work to get done. | 19:08 |
| Zara | but you made a thing | 19:09 |
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| Zara | so you get a thank you | 19:09 |
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| Zara | it's not the allcaps thank you yet | 19:09 |
| Zara | we have tiered thank yous | 19:09 |
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| Zara | there are also some webclient patches in review that I finally took a look at | 19:10 |
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| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/511247/ | 19:10 |
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| Zara | seems fine to me, though I may have missed something subtle | 19:11 |
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| SotK | seems fine to me too, I'll vote after the meeting | 19:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah something is wrong there but I can't see it either. | 19:11 |
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| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/511246/1 appears to need some reworking to me though if my comment seems misleading or misses some things, feel free to add more | 19:11 |
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| Zara | our zuul jobs have been doing some strange things and I've put a note in their etherpad for that | 19:12 |
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| Zara | I was reminded becuase you can see it in the js draft builds for the first of those patches | 19:12 |
| Zara | compare the jenkins one to the zuul one | 19:12 |
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| Zara | well, 'jenkins' | 19:12 |
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| diablo_rojo | Weird.. | 19:13 |
| Zara | aaaand if ever I remember the url for the zuulv3 etherpad, I'll link that here since I noted it on there... | 19:13 |
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| Zara | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3-issues | 19:15 |
| Zara | I'd've preferred a story, though I know some folk have been having issues with login that I don't think anyone has got to the bottom of yet | 19:16 |
| Zara | I couldn't log in to storyboard-dev last night :/ | 19:16 |
| Zara | regular storyboard.o.o worked, though | 19:16 |
| Zara | as did my personal instance | 19:16 |
| Zara | server logs from an affected instance could be helpful, maybe a db dump... not sure what else could be useful for debugging that | 19:17 |
| SotK | yeah, it has been broken for a while | 19:17 |
| Zara | it worked for me until yesterday but that might be to do with a token needing refreshing at that point, idk | 19:17 |
| SotK | I'm not sure what the cause is, I suspect something is misconfigured | 19:18 |
| Zara | I'm concerned as some people have reported it on s.o.o as well as dev, and also even if it were just dev, that's an issue for training etc | 19:18 |
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| Zara | and as there are some email issues too, seems like a good time to investigate the deployment more generally | 19:19 |
| SotK | I think the issue some folk have had on s.o.o is different, in all but one case of that it has been a transient issue whereas dev has been giving me a (different) reproducible error | 19:19 |
| Zara | oh, okay | 19:20 |
| Zara | that's frustrating in one way but maybe better news for dev at least | 19:20 |
| SotK | but yes, it would be good to try to improve things across the board, I agree | 19:20 |
| Zara | if we have a list of things that'd help with debugging, maybe we can send it infra's way | 19:20 |
| Zara | since aiui that's the way to get a db dump or some server logs | 19:21 |
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| * SotK will organise something | 19:21 | |
| Zara | thanks | 19:21 |
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| Zara | I was a bit wary of this ending up as a hazy 'investigate' task where nothing happens | 19:22 |
| Zara | so trying to come up with concrete stuff we can do when we know nothing :) | 19:22 |
| SotK | :) | 19:24 |
| SotK | anything else in progress? | 19:24 |
| Zara | there was the docs patch | 19:25 |
| diablo_rojo | johnsom's patch? | 19:25 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506812/ | 19:25 |
| Zara | yeah | 19:25 |
| Zara | tl;dr: currently links to gh because of limitations of rendered docs anchoring with our current tooling | 19:25 |
| Zara | would prefer release time to have rendered docs somewhere more official so it can be anchored there | 19:26 |
| diablo_rojo | Ah. Makes sense. | 19:26 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah I remember now. Debate about where to link to | 19:26 |
| johnsom | Yeah, no deep links when pointing to the text on git.o.o | 19:27 |
| Zara | yeah, there's some discussion in the comments there about options, I've held off merging until that's settled, though we should be aware of it when projects migrate so that we can give them that info in the meantime | 19:27 |
| johnsom | It became more that I had time for to try to move the doc and I couldn't just link to it from the docs, it didn't render well. | 19:28 |
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| diablo_rojo | It happens, we are all super busy johnsom :) | 19:28 |
| johnsom | BTW, any news on getting emails working? Grin | 19:28 |
| Zara | none yet though I believe it's now our top priority | 19:29 |
| Zara | we are inching forward | 19:29 |
| johnsom | Ok. Ping me if you want me to see if it starts working | 19:29 |
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| Zara | thanks :) (also re: the docs patch, I think it's a useful patch and would like it in there before too many teams migrate, even if we have to link to a gh version) | 19:30 |
| Zara | (still hoping we can avoid gh linking but most important thing is that the teams have that info imo) | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo | Agreed. I care less about how it looks so long as the info is there. | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo | Its not like most people havent seen a gh page anyway ;) | 19:31 |
| Zara | heh, considering saying something like 'if it gets to a point where we have x number of teams waiting for it, we merge, tidy later'. | 19:31 |
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| Zara | I think that's everything that's in-progress | 19:32 |
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| SotK | #topic Discussion | 19:34 |
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| Zara | can we put together a plan for emails debugging/fixing? | 19:34 |
| Zara | I'm not sure what info to assemble; I estimate that I last got emails around july. | 19:34 |
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| Zara | yes, july 21st | 19:35 |
| Zara | so a starting point might be to go back to around then in db and gerrit and see what changed | 19:36 |
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| Zara | and another thing would be to get a list of people we know are/aren't affected and look for differences | 19:37 |
| SotK | I will ask you some questions after the meeting | 19:37 |
| Zara | that's my idea of where to start with it, anyway, but it's a pretty hazy plan | 19:37 |
| SotK | seems sensible | 19:37 |
| Zara | okay, we should also write stuff up in a story so we can point people at it etc | 19:38 |
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| SotK | I'd like to get logs from the email workers, and see if any of them have had some kind of trouble | 19:38 |
| Zara | I think there was one | 19:38 |
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| * Zara finds https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001229 | 19:38 | |
| Zara | not sure if that was the only one but related anyway | 19:38 |
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| SotK | that one was discovered at the same time but turns out to be unrelated afaict | 19:40 |
| * Zara makes a story | 19:41 | |
| Zara | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001263 | 19:41 |
| SotK | thanks Zara | 19:41 |
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| Zara | added some scrawly tasks | 19:42 |
| Zara | feel free to make them less scrawly | 19:43 |
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| Zara | just writing stuff up from here so I don't lose it | 19:43 |
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| Zara | that's all I had, I figure that's the first step to get moving toward a fix | 19:45 |
| SotK | yep, it is a sensible step | 19:45 |
| Zara | now I've written it down I can completely forget it!~ =D | 19:45 |
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| SotK | heh :D | 19:47 |
| SotK | anything else? | 19:47 |
| Zara | _o_ | 19:47 |
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| SotK | then thanks everyone for coming! | 19:48 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 19:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 25 19:48:27 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-10-25-18.59.html | 19:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-10-25-18.59.txt | 19:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-10-25-18.59.log.html | 19:48 |
| Zara | thanks for chairing, SotK! | 19:48 |
| diablo_rojo | thank you SotK | 19:49 |
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| mtreinish | Zara: sure, np. Sorry it took me so long for me to get it working | 20:44 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 25 21:00:32 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
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| rledisez | hi o/ | 21:00 |
| notmyname | hmm... I'm sure there's more than 4 people out there :-) | 21:01 |
| tdasilva | hi | 21:01 |
| peluse | yo! | 21:02 |
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| timburke | o/ | 21:02 |
| acoles | hi, sorry to be late | 21:02 |
| notmyname | now that acoles is here, we can finally begin | 21:03 |
| notmyname | ;-) | 21:03 |
| peluse | sheesh | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | acoles: no worries. we haven't started yet :-) | 21:03 |
| acoles | I was here I just didn't say hello | 21:03 |
| notmyname | ah. of course | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | ok, let's get started then. most of the people I expected to discuss today's topic are here | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #topic next release | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | it's time to tag another release | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:04 |
| notmyname | priority reviews page is updated with 2.16 stuff | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | it's in rough order that I'd prioritize it | 21:05 |
| notmyname | please review stuff as you are able | 21:05 |
| notmyname | ideally, I'd like to release next week (earlier than later, since i'll be flying to the openstack summit late next week) | 21:05 |
| notmyname | are there any questions about any of these patches? | 21:06 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | Nope, let's aim for next week | 21:06 |
| notmyname | #topic bug triage | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-bug-triage-list | 21:07 |
| notmyname | last week we said we'd have a bug triage day next week | 21:07 |
| notmyname | ideally, that would be right after a release is tagged :-) | 21:07 |
| notmyname | which is great | 21:07 |
| notmyname | so put the bug-bash day on your calendar and let's clean up that list | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | (this is a reminder topic instead of one that needs a lot of discussion, I think) | 21:08 |
| notmyname | ok, now for the meaty topics :-) | 21:08 |
| notmyname | #topic SPDK and swift | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | today peluse is back with us (yay) to talk about something he's been working on | 21:09 |
| peluse | rock n roll | 21:09 |
| notmyname | peluse: take it away | 21:09 |
| peluse | I'm thinking I should have typed some shit up in advance to avoid all the typos I'm about to introduce :) | 21:09 |
| peluse | anyways... | 21:09 |
| peluse | http://spdk.io | 21:09 |
| notmyname | #link http://spdk.io | 21:09 |
| peluse | is the URL as I mentioned before. Quick high level overview then I'll bring up a proposal someone in our community has made | 21:09 |
| peluse | that we haven't spent a whole lot of time thinking about TBH | 21:10 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:10 |
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| peluse | Also, here's a SNIA talk I did last month about SPDK in general and one relevant component called blobstore https://www.snia.org/sites/default/files/SDC/2017/presentations/Solid_State_Stor_NVM_PM_NVDIMM/Luse_Paul_Verma_Vishal_SPDK_Blobstore_A_Look_Inside_the_NVM_Optimized_Allocator.pdf | 21:10 |
| peluse | So SPDK is a set of user space components that is all BSD licensed | 21:10 |
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| peluse | its used in a whole bunch of ways but mainly by storage appliances to optimize SSD performance in what swift would call the storage node | 21:11 |
| peluse | FYI its in Ceph already but not the default driver | 21:11 |
| peluse | and when I say "it" I mean whatever component the system has chosen to take on, in Ceph its the user space polled mode NVMe driver | 21:11 |
| peluse | there are some basic perf marketing type hypes slides in that deck I pated in for anyone interested | 21:11 |
| peluse | pretty huge gains when you consider latency and CPU sensitive apps running with latest SSDs | 21:12 |
| notmyname | so the basic idea is a fast/efficient way to talk to fast storage media that might potentially be useful in swift's object server? | 21:12 |
| peluse | anyway, that's the real trick is that its all user space, direct access to HW, no INTs and no locking | 21:12 |
| peluse | yup | 21:12 |
| peluse | but there are a ton of compoennts, well not a ton, but a bunch that would not be relevant | 21:13 |
| timburke | could it be useful for the account/container servers, too, or are we just looking at object servers (and diskfile in particular)? | 21:13 |
| notmyname | what are the integration points. I doubt it's as simple as mmaping a file and your'e done | 21:13 |
| peluse | and some are lirbaries and some are applications. | 21:13 |
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| peluse | I think since its SSD only (well not techncially but it wouldn't make sense to use on spinning media) most likelt container | 21:13 |
| rledisez | so we are talking of objec servers on SSD. is it a real use case? (i would think it's the target of ceph, very low latency) | 21:13 |
| peluse | if you used object servers there are probably some limitations wrt what we call blobstore | 21:14 |
| peluse | I'l get to the integration question in a sec | 21:14 |
| peluse | so, assuming a node takes on the user space NVMe driver and the driver talks directly to HW you can see there no kernel and no FS | 21:14 |
| peluse | so... unless the storage application talks in blocks it doesn't make much sense | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | ok | 21:15 |
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| peluse | blobstore is SPDK's answer to this but its not a FS | 21:15 |
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| peluse | it's a super simple way for apps that don't talk blocks that can use a really simple file-ish object-ish like interface to take advantage of SPDK | 21:15 |
| peluse | so for example, RocksDB | 21:15 |
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| peluse | in that slide deck I mention some work we did there to bolt blobstore up to RocksDB as a back end | 21:16 |
| notmyname | so ... as you know swift likes to be HW and driver agnostic. what does this tie in too? is it possible to write stuff in a way that works if you have fast media or not? | 21:16 |
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| peluse | its that kind of idea that might makes sense for Swift | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | or is the idea that swift would engage spdk mode if it detects flash? | 21:16 |
| peluse | so there are lots of things that can be done there | 21:16 |
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| peluse | but yeah I think anything more aggressive than NVMe only would not be worth it | 21:17 |
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| peluse | SPDK doesn't automateically do any of that kind of detection | 21:17 |
| peluse | so that would have to be considered | 21:17 |
| notmyname | that makes sense | 21:17 |
| notmyname | I could imagine swift detecting that | 21:17 |
| peluse | and blocstore itself is pretty immature, need to point that out. We just now added code to recover from a dirty shutdown if that gives you an idea | 21:18 |
| notmyname | ok, so tell me (us) more about the blobstore. would that be a diskfile thing? | 21:18 |
| peluse | so this whole thing would be a proof of concept type activity for sure | 21:18 |
| notmyname | how does this make rledisez's LOSF work awesomer? | 21:18 |
| peluse | so yeah, I think diskfile would make sense | 21:18 |
| peluse | but I don't rememeber the details there of course. my brain is pretty small :) | 21:18 |
| peluse | In that slide deck you can see a super simple example of the interface | 21:18 |
| peluse | blobstore bascially takes over an entire disk, writes its own private metadata and then the app create "blobs" and does basic LBA sized reads and writes to them | 21:19 |
| notmyname | ah, ok | 21:19 |
| peluse | it can't handle sub-LBA access (by design) | 21:19 |
| peluse | well, we can them pages in blobstore but they're 4K | 21:20 |
| notmyname | that sounds like a haystack-in-a-library thing. or something similar to what you're working on rledisez | 21:20 |
| rledisez | yes, blobstore would be what we call volume. and I guess it embed its own k/v indexation. so it looks similar in some ways | 21:20 |
| peluse | yeah, I think the integration effort w/Swift for production would be a decent sized lift but for a POC may be worth it provided, maybe for container SSDs, the latency and CPU usage bebenfit made sense | 21:21 |
| notmyname | peluse: is there any spdk component that could replace sqlite? eg some kv store that does transactions? | 21:21 |
| notmyname | eg to replace the container layer | 21:21 |
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| peluse | rocksDB would be the closest match, using blobstore as a backing component | 21:21 |
| peluse | but that's really what Wewe's proposal was - to add a k/v interface on blobstore | 21:22 |
| notmyname | ah ok. so a 3rd part db that works with spdk | 21:22 |
| peluse | yeah, maybe that's the best first step | 21:22 |
| notmyname | any questions from anyone, so far? | 21:23 |
| peluse | I can't remember what sqlite guts look like, can you easily replace the storage engine as its called in like MariaDB, anyone know? | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | no | 21:23 |
| peluse | yeah, OK didn't think so | 21:23 |
| notmyname | sqlite is "just" a DB library | 21:23 |
| tdasilva | dumb question from me, but can you explain the difference from spdk and the intel cas tech? | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | ^ not a dumb question | 21:23 |
| peluse | sure, good question | 21:23 |
| peluse | they are totally different for one thing | 21:24 |
| peluse | CAS is a caching project/product that works between an app and the FS. | 21:24 |
| peluse | SPDK is a whole bunch of stuff, but not caching layers. It has to be integrated with an application unless you use one of the things like the compiled iSCSI target | 21:24 |
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| peluse | dunno if that's enough explanation - block cache vs library of stuff for integration, mainly polled mode device driver for NVMe | 21:25 |
| peluse | so Q for you guys, is there any urgency with container SSDs and latency and/or using a bunch of CPU? | 21:26 |
| tdasilva | peluse, so spdk provides performance improvements by substituting the FS and writing directly to block storage | 21:26 |
| rledisez | do you handle caching in bdev or blobstore? or do you assume the underlaying device is fast enought | 21:26 |
| peluse | tdasilva, yup | 21:26 |
| peluse | rledisez, there's no data caching at all right now | 21:26 |
| tdasilva | peluse: very similar to bluestore? | 21:27 |
| peluse | bdev is a layer for abstracting different types of block devices. For example we can have an NVMe at the bottom of the stack or a RAM disk and for layers above bdev they don't care. its super light wieght | 21:27 |
| peluse | tdasilva, yeah, bluestore and blobstore area lot alike but bluestore was done of course just for Ceph and I think is more mature/feature rich right now | 21:27 |
| peluse | but Sage mentioned in his keynote at SNIA SDC about looking at maybe using rocksdb w/blobstore at some point in the future (dont quote me though) | 21:28 |
| peluse | that would be in addition to bluestore as backing FS though, no isntead of | 21:28 |
| notmyname | peluse: what questions do you have for us? | 21:28 |
| tdasilva | peluse: ack, thanks | 21:29 |
| peluse | jsut the one above about pain points wrt latency and or CPU utilization around SSDs | 21:29 |
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| peluse | well, and if anyone is interested enough to work with someone from the SPDK community to try and see if there's some sort of proof of concept worth messing with here | 21:30 |
| notmyname | only pain points I've seen recently with the container layer is drive fullness and the contaienr replicator not having all the goodness we've added to the object replicator for when drives fill up | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | rledisez: how about you? any latency or cpu issues on containers or accounts? | 21:30 |
| rledisez | peluse: from my experience, there is not really a pain point about storage speed on containers. having a lot of containers slo down some process (like replicator) as they need to scan all db. not sure yet if blobstore would help here | 21:31 |
| peluse | wen I say CPU util, there's more in that deck I referenced, using SPDK (nvme + blobstore) greatly reduces CPU utillization while at the same time greatly improving perf | 21:31 |
| peluse | so you get kinda a two fer one thing | 21:31 |
| peluse | so for containers you'll get more CPU utillization for other things happening on the storage node, and the IOs will be faster and more repsonsive | 21:32 |
| peluse | (or your money back) | 21:32 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:32 |
| rledisez | how can you measure that CPU usage related to kernel/fs. i don't think i see any, but i would like to check | 21:33 |
| rledisez | most of the cpu usage comes from replicator or container-server | 21:33 |
| peluse | There's a perf blog on spdk.io that may have some good info in it, honestly I haven't read it :( | 21:33 |
| peluse | but we have some folks in our comm that live for that kinda stuff so I can ask there and get back to y'all | 21:33 |
| peluse | rledisez, yeah unless used for object storage wouldn't help w/replicator | 21:34 |
| rledisez | if you have a magic command to get the cpu usage i would be interested (i guess it would be something related to perf command) | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | honestly, spdk sounds really cool. it seems like something that would be great for an all-flash future. (but I'm not sure if anyone deloying swift is there yet) | 21:35 |
| peluse | rledisez, yeah I dunno the details of the various measurements but the team has looked at every metric known to man using a variety of tools | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | peluse: do you have people in the spdk community who are interested in swift? if so, are they interested because they just want to integrate spdk everywhere or because they are using swift already? | 21:36 |
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| peluse | Wewe is the only person I know that's brought it up and he wasn't able to get connected today due to network issues | 21:37 |
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| peluse | right now there's more demand on features/integration than there is anything else so I don't think the former is driving anyone | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | ok | 21:37 |
| peluse | which is one of the reasons I wanted to chat w/you guys about this - if it doesn't make a lot of sense to investigate from your perspective we certainly have enough work on our plate :) | 21:38 |
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| peluse | that's all I got for ya, other questions? | 21:38 |
| notmyname | I think it makes sense when looking a few years into the future and preparing for that. it doesn't make sense from the sense that all of our current employers have a huge amount of stuff we need to do in swift way before we get to needing spdk | 21:39 |
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| peluse | yup yup | 21:39 |
| notmyname | (my opinion) | 21:39 |
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| peluse | what is the current split of SSD usage, still mostly containers? | 21:39 |
| notmyname | definitely something I want to keep an eye on | 21:39 |
| notmyname | yeah | 21:39 |
| peluse | cool | 21:39 |
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| notmyname | flash still too expensive for interesting-sized object server deployments | 21:39 |
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| peluse | makes sense | 21:40 |
| notmyname | people these days are going for bigger nodes. 80 10TB in a single chassis | 21:40 |
| notmyname | (and getting all the eww that implies) | 21:40 |
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| peluse | well, that's not to say nobody on this end will work on a proof of concept anyways and if so I'll encourage them to check in the Swift comm frequently of course... | 21:40 |
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| rledisez | i like the idea, and we can surely share some stuff between LOSF/blobstore but i think that people looking for really low latency object store will check ceph as by its design/implem, it looks more suited | 21:40 |
| notmyname | let's move on so we can give m_kazuhiro appropriate time :-) | 21:40 |
| notmyname | peluse: that's great! | 21:40 |
| peluse | thanks for the time guys!! | 21:41 |
| notmyname | and thanks for stopping by to give an update | 21:41 |
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| peluse | my pleasure... ping me later if anyone has followup questions. take care! | 21:41 |
| notmyname | rledisez: I can get you in contact with peluse if you can't find him on IRC later | 21:41 |
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| notmyname | #topic symlinks | 21:41 |
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| mattoliverau | Yeah thanks peluse, sounds like cool tech :) | 21:41 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: looks like the discussions and code have been going well! | 21:41 |
| notmyname | only one more big question, and that's for CORS, right? | 21:42 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_symlink_remaining_discussion_points | 21:42 |
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| m_kazuhiro | notmyname: Yes. There is only one discussion point for symlink. It's about CORS. | 21:42 |
| m_kazuhiro | Details is in #4 of the etherpad page. | 21:42 |
| m_kazuhiro | Overview is that... | 21:42 |
| notmyname | timburke and I talked about it as soon as I walked in the office this mornign. he didn't even let me put down my bag! ;-) | 21:43 |
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| m_kazuhiro | When symlink and the target in different containers and these container have diffecent CORS settings... | 21:44 |
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| m_kazuhiro | clients will receive error response to GET/HEAD symlink even if the request follows CORS setting of the symlink container. | 21:45 |
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| m_kazuhiro | The discussion point is that "Do we accept this behavior?" and "If update behavior, how to update?" | 21:46 |
| notmyname | timburke: can you give a summary of what we talked about earlier? (you understand the context better than me) | 21:46 |
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| timburke | m_kazuhiro: so is the error you mention because of ACLs, or because of CORS allowed-origin settings? 401/403 because of container ACL is definitely fine -- and we can currently return such (kinda curious) responses | 21:48 |
| timburke | (ie, 200 on the preflight OPTIONS request, but then a 401/403 on the subsequent GET/POST/whatever) | 21:49 |
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| timburke | the behavior i'd expect, given two containers both publicly readable, one with a permissive allowed-origin one without | 21:50 |
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| m_kazuhiro | timburke: Because of ALCs. My concerning case is that CORS setting is same with ALCs but clients will receive ACL error even if following CORS settings. | 21:51 |
| timburke | would be that a symlink from the permissive container into the "normal" one would work -- we'd 200 the OPTIONS request (because of the settings on the container that's actually in the HTTP request path), then allow the subsequent GET (because the ACLs on both containers allow it) | 21:52 |
| timburke | while the *other* way wouldn't work because we fast-fail the OPTIONS request and the ACLs have no bearing | 21:52 |
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| timburke | m_kazuhiro: do we know the corresponding behavior for DLO/SLO? | 21:54 |
| kota_ | sorry, I did sleep too much | 21:54 |
| * kota_ just get waken up. | 21:55 | |
| timburke | like, if i have a DLO in one container, which has one set of ACLs and one particular CORS setting, but all of its segments are in another container where everything's different... | 21:55 |
| m_kazuhiro | timburke: I'm not sure for DLO/SLO. | 21:55 |
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| timburke | it seems like a similar situation could arise -- following whatever precedent that gives us would at least have the advantage of consistency | 21:57 |
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| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:57 |
| mattoliverau | Sounds like a nice way of answering the question | 21:58 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:58 |
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| m_kazuhiro | timburke: So, the conclusion is that we should accept and keep current behavior. correct? | 21:58 |
| timburke | pretty sure. it's worth double checking (and probably having a func test or two that include OPTIONS requests) | 21:59 |
| notmyname | yeah | 21:59 |
| m_kazuhiro | +1 | 22:00 |
| notmyname | I was just thinking that with questions like this, a functional test for each and the question "which one do we want to get passing" would be a great way to do a discussion | 22:00 |
| notmyname | ...and we're out of our time | 22:00 |
| timburke | generally, though, it seems like we rarely think about OPTIONS in middleware, so symlinks probably behaves like slo/dlo :-) | 22:00 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: I think you've got enought to go on today, right? | 22:01 |
| m_kazuhiro | notmyname: Yes! | 22:01 |
| notmyname | great! | 22:01 |
| notmyname | thanks everyone for coming! | 22:01 |
| notmyname | thank you for your work on swift | 22:01 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-10-25-21.00.html | 22:01 |
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