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| zhiyuan | hi | 01:00 |
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| joehuang | hi | 01:00 |
| Yipei | hi | 01:00 |
| song | hi | 01:00 |
| xuzhuang | hi | 01:00 |
| zhiyuan | #startmeeting tricircle | 01:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 18 01:01:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhiyuan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 01:01 |
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| song | hello I am song from szzt. last week our team xiaohan zhang have push the qos code. and we plan to | 01:01 |
| song | improve the tricircle test case. is there some detail doc about this task. so we can know how many work | 01:01 |
| song | to do and from where to start. thank you! | 01:01 |
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| RongHui11 | hello | 01:02 |
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| zhiyuan | i see the patch. however only zuul pipeline ran and it voted -1. i try to recheck the patch but the pipeline doesn't run again | 01:03 |
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| zhiyuan | could you modify the commit message and submit again? | 01:03 |
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| song | that is ok. | 01:04 |
| song | we will do it today. | 01:04 |
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| zhiyuan | simply follow the commit message of the original qos patch | 01:05 |
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| song | oh thank you.we will follow that. | 01:06 |
| song | after this we want improve the test case for tricricle | 01:06 |
| song | is there some detail doc about this? | 01:07 |
| song | how many test case we need to add. | 01:07 |
| zhiyuan | fine, for that, you can start from adding add/delete sub-port scenario for the trunk test | 01:07 |
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| RongHui11 | good | 01:08 |
| zhiyuan | currently only trunk port creation and using the port to boot a VM are covered | 01:08 |
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| RongHui11 | so just add these two case in the trunk smoke test? | 01:08 |
| song | good. | 01:08 |
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| zhiyuan | oh, I temporarily disable the trunk test because of a neutron bug. i notice that the bug fix has been merged, so i will re-enable the test today | 01:09 |
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| RongHui11 | ok | 01:10 |
| zhiyuan | to ronghui, yes, since we haven't finish the service chain updating feature | 01:10 |
| RongHui11 | so after we finish the qos function, we can quickly start this work | 01:10 |
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| RongHui11 | you mean we miss the updating feature in the service chain smoke test? | 01:12 |
| zhiyuan | i think i may spend some time reviewing the new patch. it's a huge patch and our previous review history is lost | 01:12 |
| zxh | to zhiyuan,I submitted the tricircle qos patch,in openstack-tox-py27 stage,there are 'module' object has no attribute 'DB_INTEGER_MAX_VALUE' mistakes,but DB_INTEGER_MAX_VALUE constants is included in the neutron/common/constants.py,can you help me to look at the environment,thanks.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/512558/2 | 01:13 |
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| zhiyuan | yes, this patch which implement the update feature is no longer active: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/480883/ | 01:13 |
| zhiyuan | could you check the latest neutron code? it's possible that the constant has been moved to neutron-lib | 01:16 |
| RongHui11 | i will check it | 01:16 |
| joehuang | it's moved to neutron-lib https://github.com/openstack/neutron-lib/blob/51913aaee67f7eb54220dea5a5c7d785cf010768/neutron_lib/db/constants.py | 01:18 |
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| zhiyuan | thanks, joe | 01:19 |
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| song | thank you! | 01:19 |
| RongHui11 | thanks | 01:19 |
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| zhiyuan | ok, for our queens-1 tag. the document and script update for nova cellv2 has been merged, and there's still some improvement needed for lb | 01:21 |
| zhiyuan | patch for default security group udpate has just passed the CI test | 01:22 |
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| zhiyuan | so i think we postpone the lb and default sg update to queens-2 and release queens-1 with nova cellv2 integration | 01:22 |
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| RongHui11 | to zhiyuan, for the service chain, you mean we should finish this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/480883/ or we can submit a new one？ | 01:23 |
| Yipei | yes, i will fix the local network case, and improve get_subnets this week. hopefully lb can be delivered in queen-2 | 01:23 |
| zhiyuan | to joe, do we need to wait for neutron team to tag queens-1 first? since we depend on it | 01:24 |
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| joehuang | we need to wait for Neutron tagging. | 01:26 |
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| zhiyuan | to ronghui, i think you can ping the author and continue his work if possible | 01:26 |
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| zhiyuan | to joe, ok | 01:28 |
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| zhiyuan | to yipei, hopefully the problem we discussed yesterday can be solved by the "get_subnets" improvement :) | 01:31 |
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| Yipei | to zhiyuan, i hope so. thanks a lot for your help :) | 01:32 |
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| zhiyuan | you are welcome | 01:33 |
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| zhiyuan | any other topic? if not, we can finish our meeting earlier | 01:36 |
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| RongHui11 | yes | 01:36 |
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| zhiyuan | please | 01:37 |
| song | ok | 01:37 |
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| RongHui11 | i see the trunk smoke test , we have two function add_subports and remove_subports in trunk.py so add/delete sub-port scenario we haven't finish? | 01:38 |
| joehuang | ok | 01:40 |
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| zhiyuan | these two functions are added in the network_sdk, but not used in the test definition | 01:41 |
| RongHui11 | got it | 01:41 |
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| RongHui11 | i have no problem :) | 01:42 |
| zhiyuan | other topics? | 01:45 |
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| Yipei | no | 01:45 |
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| joehuang | no | 01:46 |
| zhiyuan | ok, thanks for attending the meeting | 01:47 |
| zhiyuan | #endmeeting | 01:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 18 01:47:21 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-10-18-01.01.html | 01:47 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-10-18-01.01.txt | 01:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-10-18-01.01.log.html | 01:47 |
| zhiyuan | bye | 01:47 |
| xuzhuang | bye | 01:47 |
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| gongysh | #startmeeting tacker | 04:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 18 04:30:12 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:30 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 04:30 |
| gongysh | #topic roll call | 04:30 |
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| phuoc_ | o/ | 04:30 |
| gongysh | hi phuoc_ yamahata | 04:30 |
| yanxingan | o/ | 04:30 |
| gongysh | yanxingan | 04:30 |
| diga | o/ | 04:31 |
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| gongysh | hi diga | 04:31 |
| diga | gongysh: Hello | 04:31 |
| phuoc_ | hi all | 04:31 |
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| MinWookKim | #JOIN tacker | 04:32 |
| diga | gongysh: I think most of the india team is on leave because of Diwali festival | 04:32 |
| diga | Lets see who is able to join | 04:32 |
| gongysh | trinath is coming | 04:32 |
| diga | ok | 04:32 |
| gongysh | MinWookKim, hi | 04:32 |
| MinWookKim | Hello :) | 04:33 |
| diga | In between, I have one announcement to make, can I ? | 04:33 |
| gongysh | diga, sure, please | 04:33 |
| gongysh | diga, wedding? | 04:33 |
| diga | Hello Everyone | 04:33 |
| yanxingan | MinWookKim, hi | 04:33 |
| diga | No man | 04:33 |
| MinWookKim | diga, hi | 04:33 |
| MinWookKim | yanxingan, hi | 04:34 |
| diga | My company is very much interested in this project | 04:34 |
| diga | and we want to contribute officially to make tacker one of best NFV orchestration in OpenSTack | 04:34 |
| phuoc_ | diga, that is a good new :) | 04:34 |
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| yanxingan | good news! | 04:34 |
| diga | We will dedicate some people along with me and resources for this project | 04:34 |
| gongysh | diga, yes. fantastic news | 04:34 |
| diga | My company name is Calsoft inc. | 04:35 |
| phuoc_ | join containerized vnf with me :) | 04:35 |
| diga | Pune, India based company worked only in Networking, Virtualization, Storage and cloud | 04:35 |
| gongysh | ok, look forwards to new colleagues from your company. | 04:35 |
| gongysh | #topic bp | 04:36 |
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| diga | phuoc_: We do have plan to work on containers | 04:36 |
| diga | gongysh: Yep | 04:36 |
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| gongysh | http://launchpad.net/tacker | 04:36 |
| trinaths | o/ | 04:36 |
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| gongysh | since the review site is down ( infra team is busy with rescue it) | 04:36 |
| diga | We would like to take some ownership of items in this projects | 04:37 |
| phuoc_ | hi janki :) | 04:37 |
| gongysh | we can have a review our pike-1 milestone. | 04:37 |
| gongysh | https://launchpad.net/tacker/+milestone/pike-1 | 04:37 |
| janki | o/ | 04:37 |
| janki | phuoc_, hey | 04:37 |
| MinWookKim | janki, hi | 04:38 |
| gongysh | sorry, it should be queens-1 | 04:38 |
| janki | MinWookKim, hello | 04:38 |
| gongysh | https://launchpad.net/tacker/+milestone/queens-1 | 04:38 |
| trinaths | hi all | 04:38 |
| gongysh | trinaths, welcome | 04:39 |
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| phuoc_ | hi trinaths :) | 04:39 |
| gongysh | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tacker/+spec/vnffg-ns | 04:39 |
| gongysh | yanxingan, do you have progress on it? | 04:39 |
| trinaths | phuoc_: i will reply the BP review comments | 04:39 |
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| gongysh | tbh_, hi | 04:40 |
| yanxingan | yes, still coding, but slowly | 04:40 |
| MinWookKim | trinaths, hello | 04:40 |
| gongysh | queens-1 is coming to close. | 04:40 |
| gongysh | I have to move it to queens-2 | 04:40 |
| tbh_ | hi gongysh | 04:40 |
| yanxingan | gongysh, ok | 04:41 |
| gongysh | another one queens-1 is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tacker/+spec/doc-how-to-install-openstack-vim | 04:41 |
| phuoc_ | yanxingan, I will spend time to review your patch | 04:41 |
| gongysh | this is one doc patch | 04:41 |
| trinaths | MinWookKim: hello | 04:42 |
| gongysh | if no one is object, I will merge it at the end of queens-1 | 04:42 |
| gongysh | the queens-1 is end at oct. 20th. | 04:42 |
| gongysh | if no one -1 to this doc patch | 04:43 |
| yanxingan | as disscussed in last PTG, specs should be merged together with codes? | 04:43 |
| gongysh | diga, if you have new comers, you guys can start with doc. | 04:43 |
| phuoc_ | gongysh, I commented about that | 04:43 |
| trinaths | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508720/ | 04:43 |
| trinaths | review site is UP | 04:43 |
| phuoc_ | I think it is fine for me, but Zun -1 for now | 04:43 |
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| gongysh | phuoc_ is not an issue to it, but I will have a look at it | 04:44 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, zun -1 should not caused by this patch. | 04:45 |
| diga | gongysh: yes | 04:45 |
| diga | gongysh: we are interested in taking one feature | 04:45 |
| trinaths | zun? zuul ? | 04:45 |
| phuoc_ | gongysh, I think we should push https://review.openstack.org/#/c/511448/ to queens-2 | 04:45 |
| diga | gongysh: I have some items here, api-framework, will help in contributing to containerized VNf's | 04:46 |
| phuoc_ | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510003/ too | 04:46 |
| janki | diga, how will api-framework help with cvnfs? | 04:47 |
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| gongysh | phuoc_, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510003/ has no bp or bug for it. | 04:47 |
| gongysh | I have commented it. | 04:47 |
| diga | janki: API-framework is different item here | 04:48 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, do you want to take the responsibility to triage the bug? | 04:48 |
| janki | diga, your previous comment was bit confusing then | 04:48 |
| trinaths | diga: may be can you give us a outline and also share a document to understand the work | 04:48 |
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| diga | trinaths: which work you mean | 04:49 |
| gongysh | I can put you into driver group then you can arrang bug's milestone. | 04:49 |
| diga | gongysh: I am working on indirect VNFM also | 04:49 |
| diga | with Yanxin | 04:49 |
| trinaths | diga api-framework | 04:50 |
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| trinaths | indirect vnfm ? | 04:50 |
| phuoc_ | gongysh, I more focus on containerized vnf bp, but I can be a reviewer for that patch | 04:50 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, about bug triage, what do you think of? | 04:50 |
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| gongysh | ok | 04:50 |
| janki | gongysh, what topic are we discussing here? Its bit confusing | 04:51 |
| trinaths | diga: indirect vnfm ? | 04:51 |
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| gongysh | janki, we are talking about bp | 04:51 |
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| janki | looks like 3 topics are being discussed simultaneuosuly | 04:52 |
| gongysh | guys, can we talk one by one? | 04:52 |
| diga | trinaths: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tacker/+spec/indirect-mode-vnfm | 04:52 |
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| gongysh | diga, just wait until your turn. | 04:52 |
| gongysh | more bps under active developement are k8s vim | 04:53 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, do you want to talk about your work? | 04:53 |
| phuoc_ | gongysh, yes | 04:53 |
| phuoc_ | the first I want to ask is can we make a new c-VNFM | 04:54 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, I think you can talk from the k8s vim first | 04:54 |
| trinaths | diga: what is the real use-cases you are seeing with indirectmode-vnfm ? | 04:54 |
| gongysh | trinaths, hold on. | 04:54 |
| trinaths | gongysh: sorry. | 04:55 |
| diga | trinaths: will discuss in detail after the meeting | 04:55 |
| trinaths | phuoc_: you can make a new vnfm.. but can that inherit from generic vnfm ? | 04:55 |
| phuoc_ | K8s as VIM is fine for now, but for storing ssl_ca_cert, I need your comments here | 04:55 |
| phuoc_ | because I am confusing in this | 04:56 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, I want to merge the k8s vim bp and code pathes first | 04:56 |
| gongysh | patches. | 04:56 |
| janki | phuoc_, I did comment on the client side patch of k8s vim | 04:56 |
| phuoc_ | I am coding for that, some patch is fine | 04:56 |
| phuoc_ | janki, I will change and upload new patch | 04:57 |
| phuoc_ | other problem is in Tacker horizon | 04:57 |
| diga | phuoc_: are we considering K8s as Vim installation in this patch ? | 04:57 |
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| gongysh | phuoc_, do you have plan for horizon change? | 04:57 |
| phuoc_ | diga, yes | 04:57 |
| diga | phuoc_: okay | 04:58 |
| trinaths | phuoc_: what horizon changes do you think are needed ? for k8s as VIM | 04:58 |
| phuoc_ | gongysh, I plan add option to support bearer_token | 04:58 |
| trinaths | also, such a changes where not added to BP at all | 04:58 |
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| phuoc_ | trinaths, thats right, at this time I don't usually use horizon | 04:58 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, you can first ignore the horizon. | 04:59 |
| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tacker+branch:master+topic:bp/kubernetes-as-vim | 04:59 |
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| trinaths | agree phuoc_ but it is essential that we document it so that others can help with improvements. | 04:59 |
| phuoc_ | gongysh trinaths, sure I will do that | 05:00 |
| diga | phuoc_: may be you can update the k8s spec and horizon details there | 05:00 |
| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508828/ is for python client | 05:00 |
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| phuoc_ | gongysh, I will follow janki way, it don't change the old document too much | 05:01 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, what is janki's way? | 05:02 |
| janki | gongysh, phuoc_ it is about adding an argument to specify which vim we want. how else is tacker going to know which vim it is | 05:03 |
| phuoc_ | use --type or --vim-type (the default will be openstack) | 05:03 |
| janki | --type should suffice. its going to be used along with vim-register anyway | 05:04 |
| phuoc_ | janki that is right, I forgot it is in vim-register :) | 05:05 |
| diga | janki: phuoc_ : but any way, we define it at the time of creation aren't we ? | 05:05 |
| phuoc_ | diga, right :) | 05:05 |
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| trinaths | ok | 05:06 |
| gongysh | no --type or --vim-type should be given in vim register. | 05:06 |
| gongysh | all are in vim-config file. | 05:06 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, could we merge this in queens-1? | 05:06 |
| gongysh | oct. 20? | 05:06 |
| gongysh | if that, we can move your k8s vim bp in queens-1 | 05:07 |
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| phuoc_ | gongysh, spec k8s as VIM can merge in queens-1 | 05:07 |
| gongysh | phuoc_ | 05:07 |
| gongysh | ok | 05:07 |
| gongysh | who can help to test this feature? | 05:07 |
| diga | gongysh: I will help on this but I will work on it on next week as I am on leave for next 3 days | 05:08 |
| gongysh | ok, thanks. | 05:08 |
| diga | phuoc_: will connect after this meeting | 05:09 |
| gongysh | to run desvstack which will install k8s cluster, and then register k8s vim. | 05:09 |
| diga | ok | 05:09 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, diga , thanks | 05:09 |
| gongysh | another bp from phuoc_ is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/511991/ | 05:10 |
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| gongysh | since there is no review yet, we can have a talk at next meeting. | 05:10 |
| phuoc_ | Mr. Zala suggest that, use Heat translator to translate TOSCA to k8s template | 05:10 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, that is a way. | 05:11 |
| phuoc_ | I think it is reasonable, I will figure it out and update that spec | 05:11 |
| gongysh | #topic bugs | 05:11 |
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| gongysh | we have many new bugs reported | 05:11 |
| gongysh | what bug do you guys want to talk here? | 05:12 |
| gongysh | ok, if no, we can go to next topic | 05:12 |
| gongysh | #topic open discussion | 05:13 |
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| gongysh | janki, what do you want to talk? | 05:13 |
| diga | gongysh: trinaths : about indirect vnfm, we have one patch - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510812/2/specs/queens/indirect-mode-vnfm.rst | 05:13 |
| diga | please you guys take a look at it | 05:13 |
| trinaths | looking | 05:14 |
| janki | gongysh, how many sessions are we having at summit? | 05:14 |
| diga | okay | 05:14 |
| gongysh | diga, sure, thanks | 05:14 |
| gongysh | janki, I have one project update | 05:14 |
| diga | welcome | 05:14 |
| phuoc_ | see all guys in Sydney :) | 05:15 |
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| diga | who are going to Sydney ? | 05:15 |
| phuoc_ | diga, I will look at it :) | 05:15 |
| MinWookKim | Please take a look my zabbix-plugin blueprint https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505466/ :) | 05:15 |
| trinaths | phuoc_: we have to meet at summit. | 05:15 |
| gongysh | me | 05:15 |
| MinWookKim | Yang Xian an, Thanks to your feedback, I've made a lot of changes :) | 05:15 |
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| gongysh | MinWookKim, thanks that | 05:16 |
| yanxingan | MinWookKim, thanks, will review it soon | 05:16 |
| phuoc_ | trinaths, hope to meet you :) | 05:16 |
| gongysh | MinWookKim, you have to come up some implementation to show it works | 05:16 |
| diga | phuoc_: thanks | 05:16 |
| gongysh | do you guys have interests in graphic design TOSCA template? | 05:17 |
| janki | gongysh, cool | 05:17 |
| diga | phuoc_: will ping you separately after this meeting | 05:17 |
| trinaths | diga: today I will review the bp and post my coments | 05:17 |
| diga | trinaths: sure | 05:18 |
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| MinWookKim | gongysh, I will upload the code soon. | 05:18 |
| MinWookKim | yanxigan, thanks :) | 05:18 |
| trinaths | MinWookKim: Do you have a working poc for the proposed BP ? | 05:19 |
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| phuoc_ | gongysh, Is it like AWS, graphic design and then translate to code :) | 05:20 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, yeah | 05:20 |
| MinWookKim | trinaths, it is using for application monitoring with zabbix | 05:20 |
| MinWookKim | trinaths, please see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505466/ | 05:21 |
| phuoc_ | gongysh, I will have a look at it :) | 05:21 |
| trinaths | ok | 05:21 |
| MinWookKim | trinaths, thanks | 05:21 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, nice | 05:21 |
| gongysh | then we will have a nicer tacker user experience. | 05:22 |
| trinaths | :) | 05:22 |
| gongysh | if there is no other topic, we can end meeting and talk at tacker channel | 05:24 |
| phuoc_ | many works to do noew :) | 05:24 |
| gongysh | thanks for everyone | 05:24 |
| gongysh | #endmeeting | 05:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 18 05:24:43 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-10-18-04.30.html | 05:24 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-10-18-04.30.txt | 05:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-10-18-04.30.log.html | 05:24 |
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| witek | #startmeeting monasca | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 18 14:00:24 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is witek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 14:00 |
| jgr | Hello | 14:00 |
| akiraY | Hi. | 14:00 |
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| koji | o/ | 14:00 |
| witek | Hello | 14:00 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 14:00 |
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| witek | agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
| witek | please feel free to add topics | 14:01 |
| witek | #topic Zuul v3 status | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Zuul v3 status (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 14:02 | |
| witek | Adrian and kornicameister have finally managed to get legacy gate jobs passing | 14:02 |
| witek | so we can start merging changes which have been blocked last 2 weeks | 14:03 |
| witek | we're still half the way | 14:03 |
| witek | the configuration of new jobs have to be created in service repositories | 14:04 |
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| witek | legacy jobs will be turned off some time | 14:04 |
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| witek | at the moment we have problems getting the configuration right, and the tempest plugins cannot be started | 14:05 |
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| pabelanger | witek: fell free to ask us in #openstack-infra for help | 14:05 |
| pabelanger | or even add issues to etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3-issues | 14:05 |
| witek | thanks, will forward to adrian and kornicameister | 14:06 |
| witek | I guess we'll need that help :( | 14:06 |
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| witek | these are the the current reviews: | 14:08 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/508861 | 14:08 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509339/ | 14:08 |
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| witek | #topic Add Service Domain Spec | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add Service Domain Spec (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 14:09 | |
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| witek | I have just given +2 | 14:10 |
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| jgr | Thanks :-) | 14:10 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507110/ | 14:10 |
| jgr | (I put it | 14:11 |
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| jgr | on the agenda because I want to get started on implementation at some stage) | 14:11 |
| witek | I there are no other comments, I'll merge | 14:11 |
| witek | if | 14:11 |
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| witek | I guess, we have an agreement that we want that feature, so you can start implementing | 14:12 |
| jgr | Ok | 14:12 |
| jgr | Thanks | 14:13 |
| witek | you're welcome :) | 14:13 |
| witek | #topic Grafana datasource | 14:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Grafana datasource (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 14:13 | |
| jgr | I put that on there as well | 14:13 |
| jgr | So there is this Grafana data source plugin for Grafana 3.x and up | 14:13 |
| witek | It's definitely a good idea to have a release tag for it | 14:13 |
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| jgr | It allows us to use Monasca from recent Grafana | 14:14 |
| jgr | s/Monasca/Monasca metrics/ | 14:14 |
| joadavis | sounds cool | 14:14 |
| jgr | The only problem is that it's only got a master branch so far... | 14:14 |
| jgr | It is. It even works :-) | 14:15 |
| witek | it has "independent" release model | 14:15 |
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| jgr | (I messed with it a bit today and got it to use the Monasca Horizon plugin's metrics API proxy) | 14:15 |
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| jgr | Which means we no longer need to worry about authentication (its normal mode of operation involves a Keystone token pasted into the Grafana plugin configuration...) | 14:16 |
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| jgr | witek: does "independent" prevent us from having tarballs on http://tarballs.openstack.org? | 14:17 |
| witek | I guess tarballs are generated for every release tag, which we can have anytime we want | 14:17 |
| jgr | witek: basically I'd like to have a master tarball with a development version increased on a per-commit basis in there | 14:18 |
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| witek | isnt't that too much of tagging? | 14:18 |
| jgr | Well, it's the regular tagging... | 14:18 |
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| jgr | See https://tarballs.openstack.org/monasca-api/monasca-api-master.tar.gz for an example | 14:19 |
| jgr | It's got the base version from master (2.2.1) and its development revision is dev22 right now. | 14:19 |
| witek | ok, I'll check how it works | 14:19 |
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| jgr | Basically I'd like to have this sort of thing for monasca-grafana-datasource as well so I've got a source of truth for the version to use in my package :-) | 14:20 |
| witek | understand | 14:20 |
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| jgr | Absolutely no need for a stable branch - I'm fine with targeting master | 14:21 |
| witek | so how does grafana-datasource operate with monasca-ui proxy? | 14:21 |
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| jgr | Smoothly :-) | 14:22 |
| witek | we use it for longer time already but only with Grafana Keystone auth fork | 14:22 |
| jgr | You point it at http://<dashboard url>/monitoring/proxy and that's it, mostly | 14:22 |
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| jgr | You need a small patch to get it to omit the API version from the URL it generates based on that base URL, too | 14:22 |
| witek | so you disable Grafana's authentication? | 14:23 |
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| jgr | Mostly, yes | 14:23 |
| jgr | What I'm doing right now is allow anonymous login and log in as admin to edit the dashboard | 14:23 |
| jgr | That way the anonymous user can view the dashboard but not modify it | 14:24 |
| jgr | I think that's a fairly sensible way to go about things | 14:24 |
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| jgr | One could allow the anonymous user to edit dashboards or configure authentication in Grafana to allow users to create and modify their own personal dashboards | 14:25 |
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| jgr | But for now I'll settle for the "admin defines, all others view" approach | 14:25 |
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| witek | sounds reasonable, I'll have to take a look how it works | 14:26 |
| jgr | The main thing I wanted to make sure of for now is whether re-using the Horizon session for authentication on the API/API Proxy side (and that appears to work just fine) | 14:26 |
| jgr | I've got a rough-and-ready patch against monasca-grafana-datasource | 14:27 |
| jgr | I'll polish that up a a bit and add a bit of a writeup for the monasca-grafana-datasource documentation | 14:27 |
| witek | cool | 14:27 |
| jgr | Once it's in a clean shape I'll submit a review | 14:28 |
| witek | what we're losing, is ability for tenants to create their dashboards | 14:28 |
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| jgr | Well, with Grafana 1.5 these are not persistent either... | 14:29 |
| witek | but with Grafana 4 and Keystone auth fork | 14:29 |
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| jgr | Hmm. Maybe one could even add a Horizon auth plugin to Grafana. | 14:30 |
| jgr | That way one wouldn't need an extra login. | 14:30 |
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| jgr | After all the Horizon session contains tenant information... | 14:31 |
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| witek | I think we'll follow up on it | 14:32 |
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| jgr | Yeah | 14:33 |
| witek | thanks for the update | 14:33 |
| witek | #topic metrics_db_check() migration | 14:33 |
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| witek | https://review.openstack.org/501601 | 14:33 |
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| akiraY | Any comments? | 14:34 |
| witek | I think the gates should pass now | 14:35 |
| witek | you can try to recheck | 14:35 |
| akiraY | Ok, i'll do it. | 14:35 |
| witek | I promised review, but didn't get to it | 14:35 |
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| akiraY | thanks | 14:36 |
| sc | add to my todo list | 14:36 |
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| witek | #topic value_meta | 14:37 |
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| akiraY | recently, I've researched TSDBs and I found there are some TSDBs supporing only float. | 14:38 |
| akiraY | I have a question: is value_meta used (or required)? | 14:38 |
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| rhochmuth | value_meta is used to provide additional information about a metric | 14:40 |
| rhochmuth | for example, let's say you have a metric called http_status | 14:41 |
| rhochmuth | a value of 0 implies OK, a value of 1, implies down | 14:41 |
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| rhochmuth | the value_meta would be used to provide addition information, such as the status code and text message | 14:41 |
| rhochmuth | for example, status_code=500, msg="internal server error" | 14:42 |
| akiraY | more comments? | 14:43 |
| witek | akiraY: which TSDB does not support key/value pairs of strings? | 14:43 |
| akiraY | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sMQe9oOKhMhIVw9WmuCEWdPtAoccJ4a-IuZv4fXDHxM/pubhtml | 14:44 |
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| akiraY | GridDB is one of them. | 14:45 |
| akiraY | See 'supported data types' row. | 14:46 |
| rhochmuth | well, i think yiou would just eliminate the value meta if you wanted to support a tsdb that doesn't support strings | 14:46 |
| witek | the field is optional in the API | 14:46 |
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| akiraY | Yes. | 14:47 |
| witek | does it answer your question? | 14:48 |
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| akiraY | hmm... | 14:48 |
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| akiraY | I want to know: | 14:49 |
| akiraY | a) is value_meta used? | 14:50 |
| rhochmuth | the field is optional in the API, but you will end-up dropping it in GridDB | 14:50 |
| rhochmuth | i meant not store it | 14:50 |
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| rhochmuth | so, basically loss of information | 14:50 |
| akiraY | b) is it important? | 14:50 |
| akiraY | c) can any metrics DB ignore it? | 14:51 |
| rhochmuth | well, it isn't preferred | 14:52 |
| witek | a) yes | 14:52 |
| witek | b) might be | 14:52 |
| witek | c) it's not the main purpose of the TSDB to store value_meta | 14:53 |
| akiraY | I see. thanks:) | 14:54 |
| witek | I think it depends how you operate Monasca | 14:54 |
| witek | it's definitely a plus if you can store additional info | 14:55 |
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| akiraY | I think so. | 14:55 |
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| witek | anything else for today? | 14:56 |
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| witek | if not, thank you all | 14:57 |
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| akiraY | thank you. | 14:57 |
| witek | see you next week | 14:58 |
| witek | bye | 14:58 |
| haruki | bye, thanks | 14:58 |
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| pramchan | #info pramchan | 15:00 |
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| witek | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 18 15:00:16 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-10-18-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-10-18-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-10-18-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 18 16:00:29 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| Swanson | hello | 16:00 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | Courtesy ping: jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | xyang1: Good to have you here! | 16:01 |
| e0ne_ | hi | 16:01 |
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| geguileo | hi! o/ | 16:01 |
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| xyang1 | jungleboyj: thanks:) | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:01 |
| tommylikehu | hi | 16:01 |
| tommylikehu | hi xyang1 | 16:01 |
| * jungleboyj misses pewp bot! | 16:01 | |
| tbarron | hi | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: ^^^ :-) | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | xyang1: We going to be seeing more of you again? | 16:02 |
| xyang1 | jungleboyj: hope so | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | xyang1: Me too! You have been missed. | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: Good to see you as well. | 16:02 |
| patrickeast | o/ | 16:02 |
| xyang1 | jungleboyj: thanks! I miss you guys too | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:02 |
| tbarron | jungleboyj: :) | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, lets get started. We have the usual suspects | 16:03 |
| lhx__ | hi | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | #topic announcements | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:04 | |
| jungleboyj | As always, please keep an eye on the review priorities: | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | The Hedvig driver should have CI running soon. I need to look through that patch. Would be good to get eye on it once the CI is running. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Have seen some people pick up the review pace since last week's plea. Thank you. Appreciate any help that can be given. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | ZuulV3 migration .... | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Wheeeee | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | So, I have been seeing mostly successful runs. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Sean, want to give a quick update on what issues the release team is seeing? | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Inspur also looks good. At least as far as having a reporting CI. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ^^ | 16:06 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: did we face any issues with new zuul? | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ah, thank you. I will look at Inspur as well. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, there are various changes with zuulv3 that are tripping up the post-release jobs. We should have them sorted out soon, but can't really release anything right now. | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | So folks can still propose releases, we just might not be able to process them immediately. | 16:07 |
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| bswartz | smcginnis: boo | 16:08 |
| bswartz | how will we do the milestone? | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: Hey, way to segway. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | Should be OK by tomorrow. I hope. | 16:08 |
| * bswartz hopes too | 16:08 | |
| smcginnis | Actually, I think we have the final fix going through right now. | 16:08 |
| * smcginnis keeps his fingers crossed. | 16:08 | |
| * jungleboyj crosses my fingers | 16:09 | |
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| jungleboyj | So, tomorrow is Milestone 1. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | I will be proposing our milestone branch later today and it will get merged whenever things are working. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Any concerns there? | 16:09 |
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| jungleboyj | Good. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | So, that was all I had for announcements. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Sydney | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sydney (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:10 | |
| jungleboyj | So, I have the etherpad to record Sydney info: | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-sydney-information | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Is it really just smcginnis diablo_rojo and I going? | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | If so, that would explain why the foundation was asking Lenovo if we were sure we didn't want more people to go. | 16:11 |
| bswartz | there will be a few netapp ppl | 16:12 |
| bswartz | not me though | 16:12 |
| _alastor_ | jungleboyj: I'll be there :) | 16:12 |
| e0ne | I'll miss this Summit :( | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: Staying home for another baby? :) | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: erlon or gonso > | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: :-( | 16:12 |
| lhx__ | not me too :( | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | _alastor_: Great. Will be good to see you again. | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks for updating the etherpad. | 16:13 |
| tommylikehu | small party then | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Not you either? | 16:13 |
| Swanson | No way am I going down there to be attacked by a poison koala. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | Really too bad how many can't make it this time. :{ | 16:14 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: I am not able to | 16:14 |
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| * bswartz is afraid of the drop bears | 16:14 | |
| smcginnis | Swanson: Drop bears. ;) | 16:14 |
| * jungleboyj shakes my head | 16:14 | |
| smcginnis | bswartz: Hah! | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: OMG! | 16:14 |
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| jungleboyj | Good thing I hear they only hate people from the east coast of the US. | 16:14 |
| e0ne | It's pretty hard to get budget approved both for PTG in USA and the Summit in Sydney | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Understood. Well, just wanted to make sure. | 16:14 |
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| tommylikehu | e0ne: yes, very hard | 16:15 |
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| smcginnis | Next PTG is confirmed to be in Dublin the week of Feb 26. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Should be a little cheaper/easier for some. | 16:15 |
| bswartz | they don't attack people with australian accents, so start working on your fake aussie accent now | 16:15 |
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| lhx__ | e0ne, +1 | 16:15 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: sounds good | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | We have a couple of forum sessions scheduled. I will add that info to the etherpad. | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | Still waiting for the on-boarding room to be scheduled. | 16:15 |
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| jungleboyj | bswartz: Gooday Mate | 16:15 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Where did you see that confirmed? | 16:16 |
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| Swanson | malonga gilderchuck | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Theirry confirmed in the -dev channel this morning. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Nice! | 16:17 |
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| jungleboyj | That is going to be great. Hope everyone can make it. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | So, I was going to ask about planning a Cinder event at the Summit but that seems unnecessary given the lack of people going. | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | Maybe we can see who actually ends up showing up and try to arrange something information via IRC. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | Sure. We can just play it by ear. | 16:19 |
| e0ne | it's only $340 for flight to Dublin and back - I like it | 16:19 |
| _alastor_ | jungleboyj: I'm already trying to figure out how many board games I can fit in my luggage. My goal is 10+ with at least 2 big ones | 16:19 |
| lhx__ | smcginnis, jungleboyj ,maybe we can use ZOOM for Remote communication | 16:20 |
| * jungleboyj shakes my head | 16:20 | |
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| jungleboyj | _alastor_: smcginnis keeps trying to get me to travel in one carryon. No big games for me. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | lhx__: What is ZOOM? | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Webex that works. | 16:21 |
| bswartz | given how much bag fees cost, it's cheaper to buy the board games on the other side and throw them away | 16:21 |
| lhx__ | jungleboyj, you can google to search "zoom" :) | 16:22 |
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| _alastor_ | bswartz: You just have to get creative. Boxes are unecessary most of the time | 16:22 |
| bswartz | #link https://www.zoom.us/ | 16:22 |
| lhx__ | bswartz, cool | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | lhx__: Interesting. I will have to take a look at that. I would like to be able to record/broadcast the on-boarding to get more people there/involved. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | Anyway, we can talk more of those details as the summit approaches. | 16:22 |
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| bswartz | zoom works on Linux, which makes it INFINITY% better than webex in my opinion | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: ++ | 16:23 |
| * erlon sneaks in | 16:23 | |
| jungleboyj | erlon: ! | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | So, anything else on the summit? | 16:23 |
| lhx__ | jungleboyj, I can apply a paid account of zoom if necessary ;) | 16:23 |
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| jungleboyj | lhx__: Ok, we can talk over in the cinder channel about that. | 16:24 |
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| jungleboyj | Moving on then ... | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Self-fencing on active/active HA | 16:25 |
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| aspiers | o/ | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | aspiers: You here? | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | Yay! | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237076/ | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | Take it away. | 16:25 |
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| aspiers | well there's been some discussion in that review about how to handle fencing | 16:25 |
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| aspiers | I think (and I think Duncan agrees?) it needs to be out-of-band | 16:26 |
| aspiers | or at least a combination of in- and out- | 16:26 |
| aspiers | and I had this crazy idea regarding using SBD, potentially without Pacemaker | 16:26 |
| aspiers | so I just wanted to see if anyone had any initial reactions to that | 16:26 |
| aspiers | we don't need to discuss now, but I wanted to say that I'm more than happy to brainstorm with anyone who's interested | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | I need to learn more about SBD before I can comment. If it doesn't do STONITH then I don't understand how it can cover the corner cases, but that doesn't mean that somebody smarter than me hasn't figured it out | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | SBD? | 16:27 |
| aspiers | I'm not a Cinder expert but have been very active on OpenStack HA in general | 16:27 |
| aspiers | yes, Storage-Based Death - the links are in the review but I can repaste here | 16:28 |
| bswartz | silent but deadly | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | aspiers: Oh, ok. | 16:28 |
| aspiers | bswartz: X-) | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | I need to look at the review. | 16:28 |
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| jungleboyj | Sorry, haven't done that yet. | 16:28 |
| aspiers | #link http://www.linux-ha.org/wiki/SBD_Fencing | 16:28 |
| aspiers | #link https://www.suse.com/documentation/sle_ha/book_sleha/data/sec_ha_storage_protect_fencing.html | 16:28 |
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| jungleboyj | There are days where I feel like I am suffering from Storage Based Death | 16:28 |
| aspiers | #link http://blog.clusterlabs.org/blog/2015/sbd-fun-and-profit | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | The amount of state outside of cinder (including in the kernel for iSCSI and others) means that anything short of shooting is going to fail in corner cases I believe | 16:28 |
| aspiers | jungleboyj: LOL, me too ;-) | 16:28 |
| aspiers | DuncanT: exactly | 16:29 |
| aspiers | and to me, SBD appears at first sight to be the perfect fit | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | aspiers: Interesting. | 16:29 |
| aspiers | assuming it would be possible to reserve a tiny partition on the same shared storage which the cinder backend is using | 16:29 |
| aspiers | then SBD uses that for heartbeating the connection to the storage | 16:30 |
| aspiers | if a cinder-volume loses access to it, it self-fences | 16:30 |
| aspiers | and a watchdog protects against kernel-level issues like blocking I/O, low memory etc. | 16:30 |
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| DuncanT | Watchdog as in hardware watchdog? | 16:30 |
| aspiers | I'm not even sure we'd need to use the poison-pill functionality SBD provides | 16:31 |
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| aspiers | DuncanT: right | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | Anything in kernel space can go wrong and will go wring :-) | 16:31 |
| aspiers | exactly | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | aspiers: I will definitely read more | 16:31 |
| aspiers | cool | 16:31 |
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| aspiers | my company (SUSE) has several SBD experts including the original author, and I confirmed with him that SBD should work fine without Pacemaker | 16:32 |
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| tbarron | aspiers: are you thinking of a 2-node cluster? (no quorum?) | 16:32 |
| aspiers | I'm assuming we wouldn't want to pull in Pacemaker although TBH I haven't thought about that side of it much yet | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | aspiers: So, for things like iSCSI configuration, etc. How does SBD help? | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | aspiers: This does require a real hardware watchdog device though, which I don't think is standard | 16:33 |
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| jungleboyj | aspiers: Also, is this only supported on SuSE or do other distros also support it? | 16:33 |
| aspiers | jungleboyj: it's general Linux HA, part of the Clusterlabs project | 16:33 |
| aspiers | I'm pretty sure Red Hat supports it | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: ? | 16:34 |
| tbarron | aspiers: well you'd probably need to socialize it | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | He was here before. | 16:34 |
| aspiers | tbarron: I was thinking there is no need for a cluster manager tracking quorum | 16:34 |
| tbarron | lots of stuff upstream isn't officially supported downstream yet | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:35 |
| tbarron | not yet "tried, tested, trusted" certified, etc. | 16:35 |
| aspiers | SBD is a bog-standard component in Pacemaker stacks (which RH definitely supports) | 16:35 |
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| DuncanT | Hmmm, it looks like reliably detecting that a node has shot itself is not possible with SBD, so we don't have a way to kick off the recovery processes cinder needs to do? | 16:35 |
| tbarron | aspiers: not arguing that it's not a good path forwards or supportable though ... | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, just want to make sure it can be a general solution. | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | In which case it doesn't help... | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Thoughts here as Mr. HA for Cinder? | 16:36 |
| * DuncanT speed reads docs badly | 16:36 | |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: You aren't alone. | 16:36 |
| tbarron | get DuncanT off the meth | 16:36 |
| aspiers | haha | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: There is not DuncanT without meth. ;-) | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | Oh wait, I mean beer. | 16:37 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: Sorry, was busy in other battles, and I don't know what we are talking about... So can't comment | 16:37 |
| DuncanT | :-) | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | Gahhh! | 16:37 |
| tbarron | geguileo: that doesn't stop anyone else | 16:37 |
| geguileo | tbarron: but at least they are reading this chat ;-P | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: :) | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | Part of the issue is that we need to do work once we know a node has definitely gone away... easy with STONITH since the shooter can do said work.... hard with self fencing | 16:38 |
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| aspiers | DuncanT: that's a good point, I suspect that sbd will write something to its slot on the partition before self-fencing though, in which case you would know when it's done | 16:38 |
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| DuncanT | aspiers: It can't do that if it has lost the connection to the storage, by definition | 16:38 |
| aspiers | doh, oh yeah :) | 16:39 |
| DuncanT | aspiers: Corner cases are the problem :-) Healthy, working nodes don't need to die | 16:39 |
| aspiers | but if it's lost connection to the storage then by definition it's safe to kick off recovery | 16:39 |
| DuncanT | aspiers: How do you know if it's a lost connection or a buggy kernel driver dropping some but not all I/O? | 16:39 |
| aspiers | the distinction is about what happens if the connection is re-established | 16:40 |
| aspiers | if a buggy kernel driver drops enough traffic, SBD will lose a heartbeat and self-fence | 16:40 |
| aspiers | so I guess you are talking about that grey zone | 16:40 |
| DuncanT | aspiers: Yes, but the node that is taking over eneeds to know that that has happened, with 100% certainty | 16:41 |
| DuncanT | The grey zone is a really big, worrying zone in the H/A storage world | 16:41 |
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| aspiers | presumably we'd want to be able to handle *some* intermittent I/O drops though? or not? | 16:41 |
| aspiers | if it's only for a few millisecs, do we still need fencing? | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | aspiers: I'm not sure of the value of a 50% solution | 16:42 |
| aspiers | well I'm asking how much resilience cinder and the storage has against that kind of condition | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | If a node self fences the other node can't STONITH? | 16:42 |
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| DuncanT | Self-fencing to trigger a faster STONITH definitely helps | 16:43 |
| aspiers | jungleboyj: the other node could still write a poison pill to the shared partition | 16:43 |
| DuncanT | STONITH is the only 100% solution I think... | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | aspiers: Ok ... So, it would seem that we want the poison pill if going this direction. | 16:43 |
| aspiers | maybe involving Pacemaker is also a possibility. that way you get the state machine properties you are asking for | 16:44 |
| aspiers | how scalable does a cinder-volume A/A cluster need to be? | 16:44 |
| aspiers | Pacemaker currently only scales to 16-32 nodes, depending on who you ask for support | 16:44 |
| aspiers | but maybe that's enough for this scenario? | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | aspiers: Depends on the end user's configuration. If they are managing SAN type boxes that is fine. | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | If they have a huge LVM cluster ... | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | Though, that is kind of a different discussion. | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | Forget I said that. | 16:46 |
| aspiers | with Pacemaker there is the option for multiple types of fencing device, not just SBD but also IPMI and all kinds of other out-of-band mechanisms | 16:46 |
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| aspiers | you can even layer multiple devices for redundancy in the fencing process | 16:46 |
| aspiers | with awareness of UPS topology etc. | 16:46 |
| aspiers | well, we don't have to solve this in the remaining 12 minutes ;-) | 16:47 |
| aspiers | but I'll be in Sydney and more than happy to discuss in more depth | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | The problem with HA is I feel like we are kind-of paralyzed trying to get a perfect solution. | 16:48 |
| aspiers | or even before then if you prefer | 16:48 |
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| jungleboyj | Yeah, we aren't going to solve this now. | 16:48 |
| aspiers | jungleboyj: there is no perfect solution ;-) it's like security, you have to consider the relative risks of the various things which could go wrong and then make a judgement call | 16:48 |
| aspiers | in HA it's a question of deciding what are the possible failure modes we care about | 16:49 |
| aspiers | and making sure those are handled | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | So, I think the way forward is to get the team reviewing the spec: | 16:49 |
| aspiers | and as DuncanT originally pointed out, I'm pretty sure that "kernel with low memory" is one of those failure modes | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | #action Team to review spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237076/ | 16:49 |
| bswartz | it's also important to make sure that the cure isn't worse than the disease though | 16:49 |
| aspiers | bswartz: totally agree ;-) | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | Then I think it would be good for those of us in Sydney to meet f2f so I can better understand this. | 16:50 |
| bswartz | if a failover could cause corruption when HA is in use when a failure would just cause loss of access without HA, then no HA is preferrable | 16:50 |
| geguileo | silly question, does it really make sense fencing Cinder because the node cannot access it using iSCSI for example? | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: You up for that? | 16:50 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Sure! | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Uh, depends. ;-) | 16:51 |
| aspiers | bswartz: in an active/active scenario what kind of failover are you thinking of? | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ok. | 16:51 |
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| jungleboyj | #action Cinder team and aspiers to get together in Sydney to discuss further. | 16:51 |
| aspiers | cool | 16:51 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: it would only make sense if we have multiple nodes in the cluster and there were some capable of accessing the storage, right? | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | aspiers: I have office hours planned. If all else fails we can talk then. | 16:51 |
| aspiers | jungleboyj: ACK | 16:51 |
| geguileo | but if we only have 1 node or none of them can access the data layer we shouldn't | 16:52 |
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| bswartz | aspiers: the types of failures DuncanT was alluding to, mostly split brain syndromes | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Right. | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: That was why I said it depends. | 16:52 |
| * geguileo needs to review the spec... | 16:53 | |
| aspiers | bswartz: SBD is kind of a bit like a quorum disk in that it can eliminate the split brain problem | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Exactly. | 16:53 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: because I set that to -1 on the workflow until we actually had something to work with | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | So, lets do that and those of us at the summit can assimilate that data and try to come back with more info for a future meeting. | 16:53 |
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| aspiers | bswartz: split brain happens when nodes are normally supposed to talk to each other through a cluster mesh and then get partitioned, but that's not the architecture I'm proposing here | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | 5 minute warning. | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | aspiers: geguileo DuncanT Any concern with the plan going forward? | 16:55 |
| aspiers | nope sounds good to me! | 16:55 |
| aspiers | thanks a lot everyone for this discussion | 16:55 |
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| jungleboyj | #action jungleboyj To find some time to get people together to talk about this in Sydney. | 16:55 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: you mean picking up the spec again, and those going to the summit talking about it? | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Correct | 16:56 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: sounds good to me | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Cool. | 16:56 |
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| jungleboyj | We have a plan. Thanks for bringing this up aspiers | 16:56 |
| aspiers | sure :) | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Open Discussion | 16:56 |
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| jungleboyj | Reminder to vote for the TC election if you haven't already done so. | 16:57 |
| Swanson | I voted for everyone I've ever heard of. | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | Also, if you have thoughts on multi-attach functionality, we need to get this spec reviewed and merged ASAP. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499777 | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499777 | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Anything else in the last minute? | 16:59 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. Thanks all for the good discussion. | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Have a great rest of the week. Thanks for working on Cinder! | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | See you next week. | 16:59 |
| aspiers | thanks, and bye for now! | 16:59 |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:59 |
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| jungleboyj | #endmeeting cinder | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 18 17:00:02 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-10-18-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-10-18-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-10-18-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 18 18:02:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:02 |
| bh526r | #topic Roll Call | 18:02 |
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| krenczewski | Hi Bin | 18:02 |
| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:02 |
| krenczewski | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:02 |
| bh526r | Hi Kamil | 18:02 |
| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:02 |
| jinli | hi Bin and Kamil | 18:02 |
| bh526r | Hi Jin | 18:02 |
| krenczewski | Hi Jin | 18:02 |
| bh526r | #topic Status Update | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status Update (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:03 | |
| bh526r | Hi Jin, I saw your update of patch, but I didn't have a chance to review it. sorry | 18:03 |
| jinli | I should be able to finish the backend code this afternoon and schedule a meeting with you to review it tomorrow | 18:04 |
| bh526r | Sure | 18:04 |
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| jinli | the new patch in gerrit is just for testing. so don't worry about it | 18:04 |
| bh526r | that's great | 18:04 |
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| bh526r | I see. | 18:04 |
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| bh526r | Are you in San Ramon or in San Francisco today? | 18:04 |
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| jinli | I will go to San ramon after this meeting | 18:05 |
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| bh526r | Me too. | 18:05 |
| jinli | oh awesome, | 18:05 |
| jinli | let's meet then | 18:05 |
| bh526r | Someone from New Jersey is coming to San Ramon today, and I will go to San Ramon after this meeting too | 18:05 |
| bh526r | let's meet them. | 18:05 |
| jinli | ok | 18:06 |
| jinli | cool | 18:06 |
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| bh526r | I will call you once I get there so that you can let me in :) | 18:06 |
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| jinli | sure | 18:06 |
| jinli | you maybe faster than me. | 18:06 |
| bh526r | probably after 1pm | 18:06 |
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| jinli | oh ok | 18:06 |
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| bh526r | when I get there | 18:07 |
| jinli | that should be fine | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | Is there printer there that I can print something? | 18:07 |
| jinli | yes | 18:08 |
| bh526r | my original plan is to stop by Milpitas office, and print in Milpitas | 18:08 |
| jinli | there are printers | 18:08 |
| bh526r | If I can print in San Ramon, I can just go straight | 18:08 |
| bh526r | so may be there at around 12:30pm. | 18:08 |
| jinli | ok | 18:08 |
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| bh526r | Let's see | 18:09 |
| bh526r | So see you soon, Jin | 18:09 |
| bh526r | Kamil, anything from your side? | 18:09 |
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| krenczewski | One question | 18:09 |
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| krenczewski | Do we still have monday biweekly meetings? | 18:09 |
| krenczewski | I don't have one in my calendar | 18:10 |
| bh526r | No, we don't. I canceled all of those meetings | 18:10 |
| krenczewski | Do I required on them? | 18:10 |
| krenczewski | OK | 18:10 |
| bh526r | That's why it disappeared on your calendar because I canceled them :) | 18:10 |
| krenczewski | I wasn't sure | 18:11 |
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| bh526r | Thank you for checking | 18:11 |
| bh526r | It saves everyone's time | 18:11 |
| bh526r | anything else from anyone? | 18:12 |
| jinli | that's all from me | 18:12 |
| krenczewski | me too | 18:12 |
| bh526r | #info Jin will finish coding of backend today, and Bin and Jin will review as soon as possible | 18:12 |
| bh526r | #info Nothing else, meeting adjourned | 18:12 |
| bh526r | Sounds good. Let's adjourn meeting and give back your time :) | 18:12 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:13 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 18 18:13:05 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-10-18-18.02.html | 18:13 |
| jinli | thank you all! | 18:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-10-18-18.02.txt | 18:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-10-18-18.02.log.html | 18:13 |
| krenczewski | Great, bye | 18:13 |
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| bh526r | Thank you Kamil and Jin, good bye | 18:13 |
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| SotK | is there anyone who urgently wants a storyboard meeting this week? | 19:04 |
| SotK | otherwise we should skip today I think | 19:04 |
| Zara | +1 | 19:04 |
| * SotK will be around in #storyboard if anyone has anything they want to chat about | 19:06 | |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time! | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 18 21:00:16 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 21:00 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:00 |
| torgomatic | 🌯 | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| rledisez | o/ | 21:00 |
| jungleboyj | At least for the first little bit. | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hi | 21:00 |
| acoles | hi | 21:00 |
| tdasilva | hi | 21:01 |
| timburke | torgomatic: is that a... burrito? | 21:01 |
| torgomatic | timburke: yep. burrito emoji is best emoji. | 21:01 |
| notmyname | welcome to everyone, and torgomatic's burrito | 21:01 |
| jungleboyj | Oh, that is what that is. I thought it was like a dinosaur arm or something. | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
| notmyname | there's the agenda | 21:02 |
| notmyname | note we didn't have an 0700 meeting (nothing was on the agenda, and no one brought up any topics) | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #topic bug triage | 21:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "bug triage (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:02 | |
| notmyname | let's go slightly out of order... | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-bug-triage-list | 21:03 |
| notmyname | there's the bug triage etherpad | 21:03 |
| notmyname | and tdasilva brough up the question of another bug triage day | 21:03 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: any more to say on that? | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://bugs.not.mn/project/swift/bug_trends/None | 21:03 |
| tdasilva | not really..was just wondering if we shoud do it again or not... | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | everyone, please share your thoughts | 21:04 |
| notmyname | seems like a good idea to me | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | I'm up for it | 21:05 |
| mattoliverau | Can't believe it's been a month already! | 21:05 |
| timburke | yeah, probably would be good | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | IMO the main "good" of it is to have the designated time for it | 21:06 |
| torgomatic | just be careful that our outgoing bugs don't stay above our incoming bugs for too long, or we'll have to borrow bugs to make ends meet | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | if you need more bugs, I can get back to writing some patches... | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | torgomatic: lol that's the idea :p | 21:07 |
| jungleboyj | Cinder has plenty of bugs ... we will share. | 21:07 |
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| mattoliverau | lol | 21:07 |
| notmyname | so when do we do it? next week? in two weeks ont he 1st? | 21:07 |
| notmyname | any strong preferences? | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | I don't mind, either works.. tho the 1st does sound cool | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | And just before the summit, for those gojnf | 21:09 |
| mattoliverau | Going even | 21:09 |
| mattoliverau | ^come on auto correction, can you guess what I'm saying this early :p | 21:09 |
| notmyname | also has the advantage of being the next scheduled 0700 meeting day | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | any opposition to setting a bug triage day to two weeks from today? | 21:10 |
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| mattoliverau | Of no one else has other strong opinions, let's do the 1st.. sold | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | ok, two weeks from now it is | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | bug triage day scheduled! | 21:11 |
| kota_ | wfm | 21:11 |
| * acoles adds it to calendar | 21:11 | |
| notmyname | #topic new release | 21:11 |
| clayg | I somehow managed to not much do bug triage on bug triage day last time | 21:11 |
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| clayg | ... it mostly had to do with that day being already booked with meetings | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | do we need a new swift release soon? | 21:11 |
| clayg | ... and I can't just NOT do any coding ... | 21:11 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: and the next bug triage day? You have 2 weeks to book it up again ;) | 21:12 |
| notmyname | I'm inclined to say yes we should cut a release. there's some good stuff there, and it's been about 2 months since the last one | 21:12 |
| clayg | well - is it on a wednesday? I think I missed the decision/date? | 21:12 |
| timburke | notmyname: we *always* need a new release. it just keeps getting better! | 21:12 |
| notmyname | timburke: right on! | 21:12 |
| clayg | timburke: +2 | 21:12 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: this week is Quest M1, correct? | 21:12 |
| notmyname | clayg: two weeks from today | 21:12 |
| clayg | tdasilva: +2 where are we at on openstack release-y bits? | 21:13 |
| notmyname | I don't think that's mattered before, has it? | 21:13 |
| clayg | so it *is* on a wednesday :'( | 21:13 |
| notmyname | clayg: you can do it on a tuesday if you want :-) | 21:13 |
| clayg | notmyname: not the specific date - but we're going to want to do a release for Q | 21:13 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: no, just a good coincidence for the downstream testers that do care about it thou... | 21:13 |
| clayg | notmyname: that's a good idea! I'll try that | 21:13 |
| tdasilva | lol, not Quest, Queens! | 21:14 |
| notmyname | right. aside from the end-of-cycle release, the openstack milestone dates don't stongly influence us | 21:14 |
| * notmyname likes Quest better ;-) | 21:14 | |
| mattoliverau | clay or you can be an honorary Australian and do it on Thursday, case 2 weeks from today is a Thursday here ;) | 21:14 |
| clayg | maybe it just accident - but I always liked it when we do a "slight after the upstream with stuff we decided not to merge at the last minute for upstream" release - then something in the upstream RC phase as the "probably about what is going into the upstream release sans a few things that aren't quite polished/pushed" and then another one... FOR the upstream release | 21:15 |
| clayg | that ends up ~5-6 releases a year, or one every other month-ish and that feels about right more or less | 21:15 |
| notmyname | the upstream queens release isn't until late february or early march | 21:15 |
| clayg | oh, so we're just late with our after pike release? | 21:16 |
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| clayg | was pike 2.15 or 2.14? | 21:16 |
| notmyname | only "late" if you expected it earlier | 21:16 |
| notmyname | pike was 2.15.1 | 21:16 |
| notmyname | that was our last release about 2 months ago | 21:16 |
| notmyname | ok... let me start over and rephrase :-) | 21:16 |
| notmyname | let's do a release soon! I'll set up the priority reviews page, and please make sure you tage any bugs as critical that should block a release | 21:17 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:17 |
| notmyname | this will be for swift 2.16.0 | 21:17 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: good idea, and thanks :) | 21:17 |
| clayg | yeah so we're right on time? | 21:17 |
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| mattoliverau | Yup, it's the perfect time for release :) | 21:18 |
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| clayg | pike was August | 21:18 |
| kota_ | +1 | 21:18 |
| notmyname | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/version_map | 21:18 |
| notmyname | pike was august 21 | 21:18 |
| notmyname | 2 months ago, almost to the day | 21:19 |
| notmyname | I'll get working on the logistics for it | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | and I think this will be good, especially considering the feature branches currently in play. gives us a reasonable lead time for landing one or more before the next release (or openstack q) | 21:20 |
| notmyname | speaking of... | 21:20 |
| notmyname | #topic ongoing work checks | 21:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ongoing work checks (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:20 | |
| notmyname | how's container sharding going this week? | 21:20 |
| notmyname | I know acoles has made some good progress on shrinking | 21:21 |
| clayg | notmyname: we should definitely release before landing some of the big feature branches | 21:21 |
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| clayg | maybe? | 21:21 |
| notmyname | what else is going on? anything you need to bring up for discussion or that blocks anything? | 21:21 |
| notmyname | #link https://trello.com/b/z6oKKI4Q/container-sharding | 21:21 |
| mattoliverau | Yeah, acoles has been working more on a new and better shrinking alg | 21:21 |
| acoles | I'm hopeful that the 'simpler' shrinking approach is going to do the job. | 21:21 |
| clayg | notmyname: timburke has the SLO heartbeat change - I think that's a good 'en | 21:21 |
| mattoliverau | And related probe tests | 21:22 |
| clayg | oh... just on sharding - my bad | 21:22 |
| acoles | found some systemic bugs last week that once fixed have got the shrink test passing | 21:22 |
| mattoliverau | Not as much work this week unfortunately. But that's mostly me being busy | 21:22 |
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| mattoliverau | acoles is awesome | 21:23 |
| acoles | this week I've been working on collating listings from multiple shards | 21:23 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: something blocking you that we can help with, or is it more on other $DAYJOB commitments? | 21:23 |
| timburke | me too :-( i at least got my merge commit in last friday, but i haven't done my follow-up address-review-comments patch yet (iirc) | 21:23 |
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| mattoliverau | Yeah, $DAYJOB.. and not giving me as much time :( home life a little busy this week too | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | ok | 21:25 |
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| notmyname | sounds good. thanks for all your work on it this week | 21:25 |
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| notmyname | how about the s3api work? | 21:25 |
| notmyname | kota_: and tdasilva have been doing a lot there, I've seen | 21:25 |
| kota_ | early of this week, swift3 got a new release | 21:26 |
| notmyname | swift3 has had it's "final" tag | 21:26 |
| notmyname | yay! | 21:26 |
| kota_ | and I'm starting to migrate the code to s3api feature branch | 21:26 |
| notmyname | and the code was merged to the feature branch? or has it not landedyet? | 21:26 |
| kota_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/512284/ | 21:26 |
| patchbot | patch 512284 - swift (feature/s3api) - Import all swift3 code as s3api | 21:26 |
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| kota_ | not yet, thought it's just a full copy though. | 21:27 |
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| tdasilva | kota_: I started moving some of the files around: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513170/1 | 21:27 |
| patchbot | patch 513170 - swift (feature/s3api) - Continue merge swift3 middleware | 21:27 |
| notmyname | note to everyone that we are *not* preserving the git history from the swift3 codebase into swift | 21:27 |
| kota_ | 1. tdasilva minds to save git history.... | 21:27 |
| kota_ | tdasilva: great | 21:28 |
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| kota_ | oh, yeah, | 21:28 |
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| kota_ | notmyname: thanks for covering the issue for notification to all | 21:28 |
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| kota_ | done for the 1, above. | 21:29 |
| notmyname | any question on this? anything from kota_ or tdasilva for questions for the group? | 21:29 |
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| timburke | note that when we do the final merge, it'd probably be nice to have one commit that is a straight copy, with follow-on commits to move things into position | 21:29 |
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| tdasilva | timburke: that's what I was planning to | 21:30 |
| timburke | perfect :-) | 21:30 |
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| tdasilva | timburke: kota's patch does that with some very minor changes | 21:30 |
| tdasilva | and then my follow-on patch starts moving things around | 21:30 |
| kota_ | yup | 21:31 |
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| tdasilva | kota_: maybe we can continue some planning after this meeting on #openstack-swift channel? | 21:31 |
| clayg | what is the burndown list for merge to master? Are we still defining that scope or do we have a pretty clear picture? | 21:31 |
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| kota_ | tdasilva: sure | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | clayg: excellent question | 21:32 |
| clayg | is there anything that looks like a "beta" - since for awhile going with the last commit to swift3 is probably a better option for new deployments than trying out s3api to figure out what we missed? | 21:32 |
| notmyname | I have a general idea of the merge to master stuff | 21:32 |
| tdasilva | clayg: we started writing down some tasks on an etherpad, but I was thinking it would be nice to have a trello board like sharding.... | 21:32 |
| notmyname | remove some of the s3_acls configs and redo how the bucket is mapped to (account, continaer) | 21:32 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: +1 | 21:32 |
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| clayg | like torgomatic was talking bucket registries - I sure wouldn't want to see us starting this process if we're holding on that - but if stuff is going to "change wildy in backwards incompatible ways" after the merge we need to have something that steers people away from building on this new hawtness until we're ready to support it | 21:33 |
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| tdasilva | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/s3api-middleware | 21:34 |
| torgomatic | yep, I'd hate to have something on master that we then break compatibility with, because then we've either got to figure an upgrade path or deal with angry users | 21:34 |
| clayg | tdasilva: notmyname: to me that sounds like we're still defining scope ... but idk ... maybe we can get it "all" done w/o having massive pressure to continue to make (perhaps minor) improvements to swift3 | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | kota_: tdasilva: can I set up a trello board for the eventual merge to master? | 21:35 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: sure, +1 | 21:35 |
| clayg | torgomatic: i'm on with it "on master" and having integration testing hawtness going *while* we break it (personally) | 21:35 |
| kota_ | sounds good. | 21:35 |
| clayg | but we'd have to make it like idk, BETA or something | 21:35 |
| notmyname | clayg: yeah, your concern is that we'll have to keep updating swift3 while we're working on big s3api stuff before a merge to master? | 21:35 |
| torgomatic | clayg: as long as we've got enough barriers that people don't accidentally start using it, that 's probably fine | 21:36 |
| clayg | notmyname: well I saw us celebrate "we're done with swift3" and that means either we're close to a merge of s3api to mater or we're liars ;) | 21:36 |
| clayg | torgomatic: the point where people can start using it is when we get to stop working on swift3? | 21:37 |
| tdasilva | clayg: I think 'we're done with swift3' meant more as in: 'soft freeze, swift3 won't get more big ticket features' | 21:37 |
| clayg | i could be wrong about that point too... if the runway is short enough we can tell people to hold their breath | 21:37 |
| timburke | yeah, we're liars. i'm about to do some manual testing on my own 1.12.0.1, and i already see some of what 1.12.0.2 will need | 21:37 |
| clayg | or we can "work" on swift3 but not like "massive" efforts - just like small improvements and stuff that looks more like bug fixes (which I think kota & tim were planning on doing anyway) | 21:38 |
| timburke | not that i think a soft freeze on swift3 was a bad move -- i just need to keep customers happy | 21:38 |
| clayg | ok yeah soft freeze - i love it | 21:38 |
| tdasilva | timburke: right...maintenance mode?? | 21:38 |
| notmyname | I'll get a trello baord updated with that so we can see what's left and how much we're liars or how close we are :-) | 21:38 |
| clayg | the idea is "don't go redesigning on implementing huge things in swift3 that's not where it's at; we could use help over here where it's at" | 21:38 |
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| tdasilva | clayg: +1 | 21:39 |
| clayg | timburke: thanks for the clarity | 21:39 |
| notmyname | ok, next up.. | 21:39 |
| clayg | notmyname: i might have to pick one of these feature branches to start paying attention to :\ | 21:39 |
| timburke | i don't know that i added any clarity, but w/e... | 21:39 |
| notmyname | clayg: no problem :-) | 21:39 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: kota_: I've seen a lot of discussion this week on symlinks | 21:40 |
| notmyname | what's going on? | 21:40 |
| clayg | timburke: probably i was just confused - you do good speaking clearly - so when you talk it tends to clear things up for me ;) | 21:40 |
| m_kazuhiro | Please wait a little.... | 21:40 |
| clayg | symlinks! | 21:40 |
| kota_ | i thought m_kazuhiro got conclusions on some remaining issues. | 21:40 |
| clayg | we're gunna post to them and then 307 - it's amazing | 21:40 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: you want me to come back to this topic? | 21:41 |
| m_kazuhiro | notmyname: If I can, it is good for me. | 21:41 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:41 |
| notmyname | clayg: any updates for the big "remove eventlet" work? | 21:42 |
| notmyname | anything on pete's patch or tsync or anything? | 21:42 |
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| clayg | pete is going to do another rev - it's going to be great | 21:43 |
| clayg | next thing from me on replication will be for priority db replicators | 21:43 |
| clayg | I think after that I'm probably mostly interested in worker pattern expansion beyond reconstructor | 21:43 |
| notmyname | this is getting the goodness we've got in the object replicators into the DB replicators? | 21:44 |
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| timburke | fwiw, we already see how that'd be nice to have on feature/deep :-) | 21:44 |
| notmyname | oh, yeah, that makes sense :-) | 21:44 |
| clayg | i'm not sure when we're going to work on fixing the REPLICATE api rehash on-disk protoc stuff | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | clayg: is there anything you need from the rest of us? | 21:45 |
| clayg | i mean not unless someone has some cycles and really cares about reducing bullshit iops on object devices | 21:45 |
| clayg | i'm still in squeeze what we can out of what we have mode - but "somewhere" down the road i also have opinions about a better world... | 21:46 |
| notmyname | rledisez: what's up with LOSF work? | 21:46 |
| notmyname | clayg: :-) | 21:46 |
| rledisez | not much. alecuyer's been working on finding that bug | 21:47 |
| rledisez | a bit tricky, but he's on the right track | 21:47 |
| rledisez | i hope better news next week | 21:47 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: are you ready? | 21:47 |
| m_kazuhiro | notmyname: OK | 21:48 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_symlink_remaining_discussion_points | 21:48 |
| m_kazuhiro | We got conclusions for some of remaining discussion points. Then, our remaining discussion points are only 2. And I’m updating symlink patch for review comments. | 21:48 |
| notmyname | great | 21:48 |
| notmyname | when do you expect to have it in gerrit ready for comments? | 21:48 |
| m_kazuhiro | Last of next week of early of next next week. In my current plan. | 21:50 |
| notmyname | ok, thank | 21:50 |
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| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:50 |
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| notmyname | we have a few minutes left. anything that needs to be brought up by anyone? | 21:50 |
| notmyname | oh! clayg you mentioned the slow-SLO patch | 21:50 |
| timburke | slow slow slow | 21:51 |
| notmyname | actually that's timburke's | 21:51 |
| clayg | well of *course* it's timburke's!? | 21:51 |
| mattoliverau | Lol slow slow patch :) | 21:51 |
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| timburke | https://review.openstack.org/509306 | 21:51 |
| patchbot | patch 509306 - swift - Let clients request heartbeats during SLO PUTs | 21:51 |
| clayg | @timburke you gunna fix the xml thing? with the <delete> in the response? | 21:52 |
| clayg | regardless I think it's a great idea and seems to WOMM | 21:52 |
| clayg | coverage/docs looks good | 21:52 |
| timburke | idk... i'd intentionally *not* called out support for xml responses, even though i knew it was available | 21:52 |
| clayg | I think it's pretty mergable | 21:52 |
| clayg | oh but the docs *do* call out xml? | 21:53 |
| timburke | maybe better for me to just rip that part out | 21:53 |
| clayg | i guess - except we *do* response xml - but then the xml response is acctually for a bulk delete :\ | 21:53 |
| clayg | oh - you mean just like don't respond xml!? | 21:54 |
| clayg | that plan I love 100% +# | 21:54 |
| clayg | #xmlwhatwhonow | 21:54 |
| notmyname | clayg: so we can rip out xml but we can't have this opt-out because that could break clients? ;-) | 21:54 |
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| clayg | notmyname: I think that's false equivalence - but i'm acctually open to any discussion on what needs to be done to get this patch mergable | 21:56 |
| notmyname | I mean, a reasonable position is to rip out xml support when the client does opt-in, so that's a little bit of a joke :-) | 21:56 |
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| notmyname | clayg: WINKY FACE! | 21:56 |
| clayg | i'm mostly interested in getting the heartbeat api released - so... | 21:56 |
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| notmyname | yeah, it's a Good Thing to have | 21:57 |
| clayg | notmyname: yeah yeah - i'm not complaining! false equivalence is great technique to setup an argument! attack from a defensible posistion! | 21:57 |
| notmyname | anyway... let's keep talking about XML responses to slow-SLOs in -swift and gerrit. and let's get this merged ASAP :-) | 21:58 |
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| notmyname | there's lot's going on. I don't know why I expect anything different, but wow. thank you, everyone, for your work to make swift awesome(r)! | 21:58 |
| clayg | +2 get merged! timburke let us know if we can help - you can't fix all the things (s3api, deep, slo)... acctually who am I kidding - this is timburke we're talking about - carry on | 21:59 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming today | 21:59 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
| notmyname | clayg: lol | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 18 21:59:15 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-10-18-21.00.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-10-18-21.00.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-10-18-21.00.log.html | 21:59 |
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| mattoliverau | Lol | 21:59 |
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