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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 5 03:00:07 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2017-09-05_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| kevinz | o/ | 03:00 |
| FengShengqin | fengshengqin | 03:00 |
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| spn | o/ | 03:01 |
| Shunli | 0/ | 03:01 |
| hongbin | thanks for joining the meeting kevinz FengShengqin spn Shunli | 03:01 |
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| hongbin | let's get started | 03:01 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 03:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:01 | |
| hongbin | 1. New BPs for Queens cycle | 03:02 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/zun-policy-in-code Register and Document Policy in Code | 03:02 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/zun-split-tempest-plugins Split Tempest Plugins into Seperate Repos/Projects | 03:02 |
| hongbin | these two bps are openstack community goal | 03:02 |
| hongbin | welcome to pick it if you interest | 03:02 |
| kiennt | o/ sorry, i'm late. | 03:03 |
| hongbin | any other announcement from our team members? | 03:03 |
| hongbin | hi kiennt , np, thanks for joining | 03:03 |
| hongbin | ok, move forward | 03:03 |
| hongbin | #topic Cinder integration (hongbin) | 03:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cinder integration (hongbin) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:03 | |
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| hongbin | for this one, i was working on several patches last week | 03:04 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/zun+branch:master+topic:bp/direct-cinder-integration | 03:04 |
| hongbin | there are a few patches that are ready for review | 03:05 |
| hongbin | there are a few WIP patches, which is mainly for missing unit tests | 03:05 |
| hongbin | i will continue to work on those | 03:05 |
| hongbin | with all the patches above, the cinder integration feature is ready | 03:06 |
| hongbin | that is all from me | 03:06 |
| hongbin | any question for this topic? | 03:06 |
| FengShengqin | we still need prepare cinder volume for container? | 03:06 |
| kevinz | Thanks hongbin! This is great feature to zun | 03:06 |
| hongbin | FengShengqin: yes, users need to create a cinder volume in before | 03:06 |
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| hongbin | FengShengqin: which is a "cinder create ...." command | 03:07 |
| hongbin | kevinz: welcome | 03:07 |
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| hongbin | any other question? | 03:08 |
| hongbin | #topic Introduce container composition (kevinz) | 03:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduce container composition (kevinz) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:08 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/introduce-compose | 03:08 |
| hongbin | kevinz: ^^ | 03:08 |
| hongbin | kevinz: there? | 03:09 |
| kevinz | Hi all, actually I didn't get much time last week due to Arm offsite meeting. I will work on a doc about capsule this week | 03:09 |
| kevinz | hongbin: yeah | 03:09 |
| hongbin | kevinz: :) | 03:09 |
| hongbin | kevinz: get that | 03:09 |
| kevinz | hongbin: And rebase some code to latest commit. Then I think the basic function of capsule will finish | 03:10 |
| hongbin | kevinz: awesome | 03:10 |
| kevinz | https://review.openstack.org/480455 and this patch need review | 03:10 |
| hongbin | kevinz: i am looking forward to it, the k8s connector bp will leverage the capsule feature | 03:10 |
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| kevinz | hongbin: That's great | 03:11 |
| hongbin | core reviewers, pls help to review this patch | 03:11 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/480455 | 03:11 |
| hongbin | thanks kevinz | 03:11 |
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| kevinz | That's all from me. Next week I will go to Denvor for PTG | 03:12 |
| hongbin | kevinz: have a good trip | 03:12 |
| spn | kevinz, Have a great trip :) | 03:12 |
| kevinz | hongbin: spn: Thanks! | 03:12 |
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| hongbin | #topic Add support for clear container (mkrai) | 03:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add support for clear container (mkrai) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:12 | |
| hongbin | mkrai: hi madhuri, you there? | 03:12 |
| spn | mkrai is not well | 03:13 |
| spn | and she is out | 03:13 |
| hongbin | sorry to hear | 03:13 |
| spn | But last week she was available for a brief time | 03:13 |
| spn | and we discussed some of the specific of the implementation | 03:13 |
| spn | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-clearcontainers | 03:13 |
| spn | I captured our discussion over there | 03:13 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-clearcontainers | 03:13 |
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| * hongbin is reading the etherpad | 03:14 | |
| lakerzhou1 | Kevinz, I am going to PTG too. We should meet there. | 03:15 |
| kevinz | lakerzhou1: Wow ,that's great! | 03:15 |
| kevinz | lakerzhou1: hope to meet you there! | 03:15 |
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| hongbin | spn: the outline in the etherpad looks good to me | 03:16 |
| hongbin | spn: thanks for working on that | 03:17 |
| spn | hongbin, thank you. I trying to add sort of diagram just to clear my mind on how it all works | 03:17 |
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| spn | we will sit down on implementation specifics this week and add notes over there. | 03:17 |
| hongbin | thanks spn | 03:18 |
| Shunli | spn: so the basic direction is that cc and runc will on different host, right? | 03:18 |
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| spn | Shunli, yes | 03:18 |
| Shunli | thx, ack | 03:18 |
| spn | what was your discussion | 03:18 |
| spn | earlier about running zun containers and kvm vms on same machine? | 03:18 |
| spn | zun containers with regular runc engine | 03:18 |
| hongbin | ok, i think we should move forward | 03:19 |
| hongbin | #topic NFV use cases (lakerzhou) | 03:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "NFV use cases (lakerzhou) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:20 | |
| Shunli | no, just to confirm that i understand the etherpad correctly. | 03:20 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-nfv-use-cases | 03:20 |
| hongbin | for this topic, there are a few progress last week | 03:20 |
| hongbin | Shunli has uploaded a few patches for the pci support in db/objects | 03:20 |
| Shunli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500418/ | 03:21 |
| hongbin | yes, this is the big patch | 03:21 |
| Shunli | working on the comments and the ut this week. | 03:21 |
| hongbin | Shunli: ack, thanks for working on that | 03:22 |
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| hongbin | that is for the pci scheduling support | 03:22 |
| hongbin | in addition, i am working on a few patches in kuryr/kuyr-libnetwork for the sriov support | 03:23 |
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| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500420/ | 03:23 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500436/ | 03:23 |
| Shunli | later maybe will start the pci tracker as the base code need by pci tracker is almost ready. | 03:23 |
| hongbin | yes, what is missing is the pci tracker and scheduler filter | 03:24 |
| hongbin | pci scheduler filter in particular | 03:24 |
| hongbin | after that, we will look for an integration between zun and kuryr | 03:25 |
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| Shunli | sure | 03:25 |
| hongbin | i believe the integration is not hard, zun just needs to populate the neutron port with information about which VF to bind | 03:25 |
| Shunli | it's seems a long way to go. pci feature is too complicate and too much code,:-) | 03:26 |
| hongbin | yes :) | 03:26 |
| hongbin | Shunli: i saw you ported a lot of code from nova to zun already | 03:26 |
| hongbin | which is great | 03:27 |
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| hongbin | Shunli: thanks for your hard work on this | 03:27 |
| Shunli | np my pleasure. | 03:27 |
| hongbin | all, any remark on this topic? | 03:27 |
| lakerzhou1 | for demo, pci scheduler can be optional if it is too complicated | 03:28 |
| Shunli | lakerzhou1: not just for scheduler, zun need some basic support code for zun need to port from nova. | 03:29 |
| hongbin | yes, it looks a lot of codes are for tracking the pci resources in all nodes | 03:30 |
| Shunli | such as the db to store pci device, compute node to collect pci device, etc.. | 03:30 |
| lakerzhou1 | shunli, yes, understood. | 03:30 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou1: eventually, zun need to pick a VF, and populate the binding:profile in the neutron port | 03:31 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou1: then, kuryr will pick up the port and read information from binding:profile | 03:31 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou1: then, kuryr will know which VF Zun has picked, and bind the interface of the VF | 03:32 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou1: that is how it should work in theory :) | 03:32 |
| lakerzhou1 | hongbin, yes, that is correct | 03:33 |
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| hongbin | ok | 03:33 |
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| hongbin | all, any other remark on this topic? | 03:33 |
| hongbin | #topic Mutli-host problems (kiennt) | 03:34 |
| lakerzhou1 | I have located three physical servers, but it is not easy to get VPN access | 03:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mutli-host problems (kiennt) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:34 | |
| hongbin | lakerzhou1: we can sync with that offline | 03:34 |
| hongbin | kiennt: there? | 03:35 |
| lakerzhou1 | hongbin, sure, I will sync up with you tomorrow | 03:35 |
| kiennt_ | hi | 03:35 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou1: ack | 03:35 |
| hongbin | kiennt: hey, do you have anything to bring up about this topic? | 03:36 |
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| kiennt_ | hongbin: About the gate, the fix with docker cluster store ip fix the prev problem | 03:36 |
| hongbin | kiennt_: ack | 03:37 |
| kiennt_ | but, as you know, multi test still failed. I will work on this to figure out what was wrong. | 03:37 |
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| kiennt_ | that's all from me, will work on it this week. | 03:38 |
| hongbin | kiennt_: ack | 03:38 |
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| hongbin | kiennt_: thanks for working on that | 03:38 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 03:39 |
| kiennt | hongbin: my pleasure :) | 03:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:39 | |
| hongbin | all, any topic to bring up for discussion? | 03:39 |
| kiennt | none from me | 03:39 |
| spn | none from me | 03:39 |
| hongbin | ok, all, thanks for joining the meeting, see you next week | 03:40 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 03:40 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 5 03:40:47 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:40 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-09-05-03.00.html | 03:40 |
| spn | hongbin, bye | 03:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-09-05-03.00.txt | 03:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-09-05-03.00.log.html | 03:40 |
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| samP | Hi all for Masakari | 04:00 |
| tpatil | Hi | 04:00 |
| samP | #startmeeting masakari | 04:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 5 04:00:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:00 |
| samP | Hi all... | 04:00 |
| samP | Let's start | 04:00 |
| samP | Can we meet officially on PTG? | 04:01 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | Hi all | 04:01 |
| samP | I mean, till now, we did meet every summit, and last PTG to discuss about masakari | 04:01 |
| tpatil | samP: Sure, let's mention date and time in etherpad | 04:02 |
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| samP | tpatil: I will do that, and send a mail to openstack-dev, if some one wants to join | 04:02 |
| samP | How many of us going to PTG? | 04:03 |
| tpatil | samP: Ok, Thanks | 04:03 |
| samP | I am going from 9/12 - 9/14 | 04:03 |
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| tpatil | Abhishek and I will be there for the entire week | 04:03 |
| samP | I will be there 9/11 afternoon and will leave 9/15 morning | 04:03 |
| samP | tpatil: great | 04:04 |
| samP | We can have VoIP or IRC for others who are not at PTG. | 04:04 |
| samP | I will put up those in etherpad | 04:04 |
| samP | OK, next | 04:05 |
| samP | #topic Critical Bugs | 04:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Critical Bugs (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:05 | |
| samP | Any bugs need to discuss? | 04:05 |
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| samP | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1714416 | 04:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1714416 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Incorrect response returned for invalid Accept header" [Undecided,New] | 04:06 |
| samP | ^^ Nova, and Cinder set status to won't fix for this | 04:06 |
| tpatil | yes | 04:07 |
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| tpatil | samP: What's your opinion? | 04:08 |
| samP | I think same goes fro masakari, anyone may re-state it any time. | 04:08 |
| tpatil | samP: I agree | 04:08 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks | 04:08 |
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| samP | I set it to won't fix | 04:09 |
| samP | Let's move to discussion points | 04:09 |
| samP | #topic Discussion Points | 04:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion Points (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:09 | |
| samP | (1) Application for become OpenStack official project | 04:10 |
| samP | I submitted the application, | 04:10 |
| samP | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500118/ | 04:10 |
| samP | please review ^^, and add your comments or questions to review or ML discussion | 04:11 |
| samP | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/121729.html | 04:11 |
| tpatil | samP: Ok | 04:11 |
| samP | ML discussion ^^ | 04:11 |
| samP | (2) Install guide document | 04:12 |
| samP | Need to review those, however I don't think I can do it before PTG | 04:12 |
| samP | I will do it after PTG, sorry for the delay | 04:13 |
| samP | (3) recovery method customization | 04:13 |
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| samP | Any update from Mistral? PTG etherpad set already? | 04:13 |
| tpatil | samP: Mistral etherpad will be open for changes in this week | 04:14 |
| samP | tpatil: OK, got it. | 04:14 |
| samP | (4) Find hosts without specifying segments | 04:14 |
| tpatil | samP: we will send an email on the openstack-dev mistral mailing list | 04:15 |
| samP | I think rikimaru is not here to discuss this, and he is working on this AFAIK | 04:15 |
| samP | tpatil: that will be great | 04:15 |
| samP | (5) Queens Work Items | 04:16 |
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| samP | Thank you all for classification of the tasks for pike | 04:16 |
| samP | I move "skip" and "incomplete" items to Queens etherpad | 04:17 |
| samP | Let's discuss about those in PTG | 04:17 |
| samP | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/masakari-queens-workitems | 04:17 |
| samP | ^^ Etherpad for Queens items | 04:18 |
| samP | I think that's all in Agenda for today's meeting | 04:18 |
| samP | #topic AOB | 04:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:18 | |
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| samP | I will send email with etherpad for PTG discussion and PTG tasks for masakari | 04:19 |
| tpatil | samP: Ok | 04:20 |
| samP | We have some related discussion with openstac-ha team in PTG | 04:20 |
| samP | I will share those links too | 04:20 |
| tpatil | samP: Thank you | 04:20 |
| samP | Masakari team might need to attend TC session for explain about masakari and it's community activities | 04:21 |
| samP | In that case I will let you know by ML | 04:21 |
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| tpatil | samP: I will join this session along with you | 04:21 |
| samP | tpatil: Thanks | 04:21 |
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| samP | That's all from my side | 04:22 |
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| samP | Any other topics to discuss? | 04:23 |
| tpatil | samP: After masakari becomes official project, do we need to take care of any additional things in advance? | 04:23 |
| samP | code wise? or project wise? | 04:23 |
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| tpatil | samP: Overall | 04:23 |
| samP | I think code wise, not much | 04:23 |
| tpatil | samP: Ok, and may be project wise , need to adhere to the goals and deadlines, correct? | 04:24 |
| samP | From project wise, we need to assign masakari core for tasks such co-project meetings, and TC meetings as such | 04:25 |
| samP | tpatil: correct | 04:25 |
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| tpatil | samP: Ok, thanks | 04:25 |
| samP | and need to be more careful with release | 04:25 |
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| tpatil | samP: Right | 04:26 |
| samP | I think we are pretty much doing everything as same as other official projects do, except release managements and other official project specific this. | 04:27 |
| samP | There will be no huge changes | 04:27 |
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| samP | s/this/tasks | 04:27 |
| tpatil | samP: ok | 04:27 |
| samP | any this else to discuss? | 04:28 |
| tpatil | samP: Nothing from my end | 04:28 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks | 04:28 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | from me too | 04:28 |
| samP | Dinesh_Bhor: thanks | 04:28 |
| samP | OK then, bit early but we can finish the meeting early.. | 04:29 |
| tpatil | samP: ok | 04:29 |
| samP | If you have anything to discuss, please use #openstack-masakari on IRC or openstack-dev ML with [masakari] prefix | 04:29 |
| samP | Thank you all for attending | 04:30 |
| samP | Ah, | 04:30 |
| samP | Can we cancel next we meeting because most of us in PTG? | 04:30 |
| samP | s/we/week | 04:31 |
| tpatil | samP: Yes, please | 04:31 |
| samP | OK then, There will be no meeting on 9/12 | 04:31 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | OK | 04:31 |
| samP | Instead of that, we will have meeting at PTG. I will send the details to ML. please check | 04:32 |
| tpatil | samP: sure | 04:32 |
| samP | OK then. let's finish | 04:32 |
| samP | thank you all | 04:32 |
| samP | #endmeeting | 04:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 5 04:33:02 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-09-05-04.00.html | 04:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-09-05-04.00.txt | 04:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-09-05-04.00.log.html | 04:33 |
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| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 5 13:03:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:03 |
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| Qiming | hi, guys, any outstanding issues to discuss today? | 13:06 |
| ruijie | 0/ | 13:06 |
| elynn | Hi Qiming ruijie | 13:06 |
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| ruijie | hi elynn Qiming. | 13:07 |
| Qiming | elynn, long time no see, :) | 13:07 |
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| elynn | I don't have issue to discuss ~ Just to keep in pace with you guys. | 13:07 |
| elynn | ..... Some meeting from ONAP are conflict with senlin weekly meeting.. | 13:08 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:08 |
| elynn | Sometimes I have to choose... | 13:08 |
| ruijie | oh, just proposed patches about revising GC work | 13:08 |
| Qiming | no problem, elynn | 13:09 |
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| elynn | I guess ruijie get used to being a PTL now :) | 13:10 |
| Qiming | starting next week, ruijie will host the weekly meeting? | 13:11 |
| ruijie | okay Qiming:) | 13:11 |
| Qiming | cool | 13:12 |
| ruijie | Noticed next week is Queens Goals Research? | 13:12 |
| ruijie | it's about the PTG or all projects? | 13:12 |
| elynn | Will you attend PTG? | 13:13 |
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| Qiming | both ptg and goals research | 13:13 |
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| Qiming | no funding from my side to attend this PTG | 13:13 |
| ruijie | no, I am not going there :) | 13:13 |
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| Qiming | not a cheap trip for people out of US | 13:14 |
| Qiming | PTG is against non-americans, ... just my personal feeling | 13:14 |
| elynn | Yes, ticket isn't free. | 13:14 |
| ruijie | flight is expensive :).. | 13:15 |
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| elynn | We could hold some virtual meeting if needed. | 13:17 |
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| Qiming | another patch you may want to review is about the one about lb policy improvement | 13:17 |
| elynn | to discuss the features. | 13:17 |
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| Qiming | +1 | 13:17 |
| ruijie | we can have virtual meetings or we can find a place to have a meeting? | 13:18 |
| elynn | Both works for me. | 13:19 |
| elynn | Xinhui and me might attend the PTG next week, the week after next week is fine. | 13:19 |
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| Qiming | okay | 13:20 |
| elynn | ONAP plan to do code freeze next week, it's super busy for us these weeks | 13:20 |
| Qiming | alright | 13:22 |
| elynn | Qiming, you mean this patch about lb policy https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500713/ ? | 13:22 |
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| Qiming | yes | 13:23 |
| Qiming | that is a good starting point at least | 13:23 |
| ruijie | btw elynn, what do you mean by having virtual meeting? we have other tools besides IRC? | 13:23 |
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| elynn | ruijie, we can find some tools for virtual meeting, webex , zoom, or skype which support screen sharing. | 13:24 |
| elynn | In ONAP, we use zoom for weekly meeting, it's a nice tool. | 13:25 |
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| elynn | Qiming, it seems they need to adopt existing VIP into LB policy? | 13:28 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:28 |
| Qiming | I commented that those LBs should be deleted when the policy is detached | 13:29 |
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| elynn | Sounds like a feature | 13:30 |
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| elynn | It's a good start to support this case. | 13:35 |
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| Qiming | agree | 13:38 |
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| Qiming | if we don't have more topics to discuss | 13:51 |
| Qiming | we can end the meeting now | 13:51 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 13:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 5 13:52:19 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-09-05-13.03.html | 13:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-09-05-13.03.txt | 13:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-09-05-13.03.log.html | 13:52 |
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| davidsha | Hi | 14:00 |
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| reedip_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| bcafarel | howdy | 14:00 |
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| davidsha | #startmeeting network_common_flow_classifier | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 5 14:00:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is davidsha. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'network_common_flow_classifier' | 14:00 |
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| davidsha | I'll wait 2 minutes for others to join, tmorin said he can't make it today. | 14:01 |
| reedip_ | oh ok .. | 14:01 |
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| davidsha | The Agenda is here if anyone would like to add things to it: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/CommonClassificationFramework | 14:01 |
| davidsha | Ok, we'll start now | 14:03 |
| davidsha | #topic CCF v0 - Update | 14:03 |
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| reedip_ | Checking the Agenda | 14:03 |
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| reedip_ | ok | 14:04 |
| davidsha | So I've taken over the patches Thaynara has submitted, and breaking them down | 14:04 |
| davidsha | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/neutron-classifier+status:open | 14:04 |
| davidsha | There are 4 at the moment, the database migration, the database models and OvOs, the Service Plugin and the Openstack CLI | 14:05 |
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| bcafarel | the service plugin is the "v0 patch" review? | 14:06 |
| davidsha | bcafarel: correct | 14:06 |
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| reedip_ | need to rename it :) | 14:07 |
| davidsha | I've manager to drop the size of v0 down to ~1000 lines of code, which is an improvement from ~3500 :) | 14:07 |
| bcafarel | yay on that big reviews are a pain to do | 14:07 |
| reedip_ | YEP ! | 14:07 |
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| davidsha | reedip_: Well it technically is the V0 API ;P | 14:07 |
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| davidsha | I do need to fill out the tests a bit more, so it will probably rise to about ~1500 | 14:08 |
| reedip_ | I will look into them tomorrow... I checked the DB patch though | 14:08 |
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| davidsha | I saw, thanks for reviewing, If there aren't any questions on this update we can move onto the discussion around the db? | 14:09 |
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| bcafarel | nothing much to say on the other patches, they are still in my review list | 14:10 |
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| davidsha | bcafarel: kk, thanks for looking! | 14:10 |
| davidsha | Ok so moving on | 14:11 |
| bcafarel | though one (maybe stupid question), the cli plugin will be in the neutron-classifier repo or will it move to python-neutronclient in the "long term"? | 14:11 |
| davidsha | bcafarel: For now, we'll keep it in repo, going forward that will probably change. | 14:11 |
| reedip_ | bcafarel : it will be in the repo for now | 14:12 |
| reedip_ | once it is merged, then it will be moved to neutronclient | 14:12 |
| reedip_ | thats what is atleast happeing in tap-as-a-service | 14:13 |
| bcafarel | ok thanks | 14:13 |
| davidsha | reedip_: That seems like the best way | 14:13 |
| davidsha | Ok | 14:13 |
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| davidsha | #topic CCF v0 - Database models + Classification fields | 14:14 |
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| davidsha | So there was a lot of discussion here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/498471/5/neutron_classifier/db/migration/alembic_migrations/versions/pike/expand/4e97d48da530_initial_ccf_database_.py | 14:14 |
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| davidsha | Just to work from top to bottom, tmorin mentioned ranges | 14:15 |
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| reedip_ | Line# ? | 14:15 |
| davidsha | line 0 | 14:15 |
| reedip_ | Ohh :P) | 14:16 |
| davidsha | :p | 14:16 |
| davidsha | I was talking to someone about this and we can do 2 things. | 14:16 |
| davidsha | tmorin's suggestion of a min_port and a max_port field where we want to specify a range | 14:17 |
| reedip_ | ok / | 14:17 |
| davidsha | Or we could have another operator type called "range" allowing AND,OR and RANGE. | 14:17 |
| reedip_ | davidsha : how will the RANGE operator work ? | 14:18 |
| davidsha | reedip_: Only allow 1 classification type inside the group and the values range from min to max. | 14:19 |
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| reedip_ | davidsha : it would be pretty complicated API , isnt it ??? | 14:20 |
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| davidsha | reedip_: ya, the alternative is sticking the same value into min and max fields if someone isn't using range. | 14:20 |
| davidsha | using a range* | 14:21 |
| reedip_ | ok ..I am still trying to imagine it ... | 14:22 |
| davidsha | reedip_: The first is what they currently do in security groups I believe | 14:23 |
| reedip_ | oh ok , I think I understood with that example | 14:23 |
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| davidsha | For the second the workflow would be: make tcp_min tcp classification, make tcp_max tcp classification and then create a classification group consuming them and setting the operator to range. | 14:24 |
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| reedip_ | Ok, I think the first idea is easier but we need to identify if we may require the second option in the future? | 14:26 |
| davidsha | kk, | 14:26 |
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| davidsha | Is there anything either of you want to pick out in particular from the file to discuss? | 14:28 |
| bcafarel | just generic remark to stick around the same sizes as other neutron tables (address size, ...) | 14:29 |
| reedip_ | not from the file as of now ... | 14:29 |
| reedip_ | actually yes, Line#46 | 14:29 |
| reedip_ | the ID | 14:29 |
| davidsha | bcafarel: Understood, That will be one of the first this I'll update | 14:29 |
| davidsha | reedip_: Correct me if I'm wrong, it's to remove the idea and use the combination of classification_group and classification as it's uniqueness condition correct? | 14:31 |
| reedip_ | correct | 14:31 |
| davidsha | idea -> id* | 14:31 |
| reedip_ | not the idea, the ID | 14:31 |
| reedip_ | hehehe | 14:31 |
| davidsha | O-oh... *undoes last 2 hours of work* | 14:32 |
| reedip_ | ?? | 14:32 |
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| davidsha | Sure, is there an example of this somewhere else in the codebase? | 14:33 |
| davidsha | reedip_: a bad joke | 14:33 |
| reedip_ | davidsha : need to search | 14:33 |
| davidsha | kk, I can look later. | 14:33 |
| bcafarel | :) | 14:33 |
| bcafarel | also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499571/2/neutron_classifier/db/models.py comment from tmorin is a great suggestion I think | 14:34 |
| bcafarel | adding a DB/model sync test could prove useful | 14:34 |
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| davidsha | bcafarel: working on it atm, hopefully I'll have it up soon. | 14:35 |
| bcafarel | davidsha: nice! | 14:35 |
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| davidsha | Just a heads up on that patch also, the tests for the Oslo Versioned Objects import all the core neutron objects too. | 14:36 |
| davidsha | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499571/2/neutron_classifier/tests/unit/objects/test_objects.py | 14:37 |
| davidsha | line #59 | 14:37 |
| davidsha | When I was writing the tests I found there were some neutron objects leaking into the test, so I just added them all and test ours with theirs. | 14:37 |
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| davidsha | I don't think it should cause a problem, buts it's something I'll keep an eye on. | 14:38 |
| reedip_ | ok | 14:39 |
| davidsha | The general comments about renaming fields, will we just discuss those in the patch? | 14:40 |
| davidsha | Or removing fields also | 14:40 |
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| davidsha | Will we move on if there isn't anything else? | 14:42 |
| reedip_ | there is nothing else to add for now on the DB patch | 14:42 |
| davidsha | ok | 14:42 |
| bcafarel | good for me too | 14:42 |
| davidsha | #topic PTG updates | 14:42 |
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| davidsha | We covered this last time, but myself and Igor cannot attend, reedip_ you're not attending either are you? | 14:43 |
| reedip_ | no , I am not | 14:44 |
| davidsha | bcafarel: are you attending? | 14:44 |
| bcafarel | davidsha: another no :( | 14:44 |
| reedip_ | Then I guess we can have our normal weekly meeting post PTG. :) | 14:45 |
| davidsha | kk, so tmorin is the only one from CCF attending, Yup! | 14:45 |
| davidsha | The cores were discussing dialing in, so I'll try and keep an eye out for that. | 14:46 |
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| * bcafarel checks the Denver time zone | 14:46 | |
| davidsha | I know it starts at 16:00PM for me. | 14:47 |
| bcafarel | UTC-7 ouch | 14:47 |
| davidsha | So around now actually | 14:47 |
| reedip_ | davidsha : whats your tz | 14:47 |
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| davidsha | UTC 0, I think I've gotten that wrong... | 14:48 |
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| reedip_ | ok, I am +0530 , so I need to keep a jug of coffee | 14:48 |
| davidsha | No almost 9:00AM in denver now. | 14:48 |
| davidsha | reedip_: What time is it over there now? | 14:48 |
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| reedip_ | 2019 | 14:49 |
| reedip_ | hrs | 14:49 |
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| davidsha | Ouch | 14:49 |
| bcafarel | reedip_: I think you'll need something stronger than coffee! | 14:49 |
| davidsha | Don't be afraid to Irish it up ;) | 14:49 |
| reedip_ | dont have anything else ... RedBull carshes me out ... | 14:49 |
| reedip_ | I will search for Baileys :P | 14:49 |
| davidsha | I think we should move on almost out of time. | 14:50 |
| reedip_ | yep | 14:50 |
| davidsha | #topic Call for requirements | 14:50 |
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| davidsha | I was talking to DragonFlow guys, they seem to want to use neutron classifier to match on neutron resources (ie. TaPaas, LBaas, etc) | 14:51 |
| reedip_ | ok ... | 14:51 |
| reedip_ | FWaaS team is interested , SridarK , xgerman_ , yushiro would be there in Denver for this | 14:52 |
| reedip_ | I wont be there but I will be looking out for this topic :) | 14:52 |
| davidsha | Same, I'll be interested to see what they have for us. | 14:53 |
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| davidsha | I haven't gotten in touch with the author of the security groups RFE, but I'll try for next meeting. | 14:54 |
| reedip_ | davidsha : link ? | 14:55 |
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| davidsha | reedip_: Can't find it and running out of time, it was mentioned in the drivers meetings in early August I believe. | 14:57 |
| reedip_ | davidsha : so I look into the logs ( or neutronspecs ? ). I will look into the neutron-specs and the logs , nevermind :) | 14:57 |
| davidsha | reedip_: I'll find it for you afte | 14:58 |
| davidsha | Is there anything else before we call time? | 14:58 |
| reedip_ | dont worry, I will try and if I dont find, will ask you :) | 14:58 |
| reedip_ | nothing from myu sdie | 14:58 |
| bcafarel | good for me too | 14:58 |
| davidsha | Will we call it then? | 14:58 |
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| davidsha | Thanks everyone! | 14:59 |
| davidsha | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 5 14:59:22 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-09-05-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-09-05-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-09-05-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 5 16:00:47 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:00 | |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, haleyb o/ | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci' | 16:00 |
| jlibosva | o/ | 16:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | we have some actual juice to discuss today, let's get going | 16:01 |
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| ihrachys | first... | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | #topic Actions from prev week | 16:01 |
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| ihrachys | "jlibosva to tweak gate not to create default subnetpool and enable test_convert_default_subnetpool_to_non_default" | 16:01 |
| jlibosva | I did investigate the option and it seems the default subnet is created because it's required by auto_allocated_topology tests | 16:01 |
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| jlibosva | as I'm not really familiar with auto allocated topology feature, I'll need to talk to armax to see whether we can create the default subnet before running the auto allocated topology tests and then remove it | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | #action jlibosva to talk to armax about enabling test_convert_default_subnetpool_to_non_default in gate | 16:03 |
| jlibosva | it will require some external locking so auto allocated topology and default subnet tests don't run in parallel | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | I see. I think tests in same class don't run in parallel | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | so you can use that | 16:03 |
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| jlibosva | aha, you mean to put auto allocated topology and default subnet under the same class | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | yeah. that will give you necessary serialization. I am not sure if it makes sense logically though. | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | I mean, in terms of code quality | 16:05 |
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| ihrachys | ok let's move on | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | next item was "anilvenkata to add more control plane checks for migrated router ports tests before ssh'ing" | 16:06 |
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| ihrachys | I believe anilvenkata sent a bunch of fixes for the issues | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500384/ | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | I believe it will be eventually split | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | correct? | 16:06 |
| jlibosva | also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500379 I think is relevant | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | I see. I will have a look at that one too | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | so seems like a good progress, let's make it to completion :) | 16:07 |
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| * haleyb will look as well of course | 16:08 | |
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| ihrachys | next was "ihrachys to complete gate-failure cleanup" | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | I did close quite some bugs that haven't showed up | 16:08 |
| * jlibosva will look too and will be like "hmmm, l3 code ... " | 16:08 | |
| ihrachys | I also looked closely through all fullstack bugs and tried to fix/triage some of them | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | we will discuss specific patches later | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | let's look at the gate | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | #topic Grafana | 16:09 |
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| ihrachys | http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate | 16:09 |
| * jlibosva refreshes grafana page | 16:09 | |
| ihrachys | I see rally being at 100% a while ago, but that should be fixed now. | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | in master | 16:09 |
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| ihrachys | I backported the fixes to stable: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/I80c9a155ee2b52558109c764075a58dfabee44d4,n,z | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | we also have grenade-dvr at 100% right now | 16:10 |
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| ihrachys | is it the same failure we were struggling with the last week? | 16:10 |
| jlibosva | were stable branches also affected by the rally? | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, I would think so, since devstack-gate is branchless | 16:10 |
| haleyb | we have two patches ready for that, got blocked when tox failed, then rally | 16:10 |
| jlibosva | ok | 16:10 |
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| haleyb | i'm assuming we're talking the keyerror revert and fix | 16:11 |
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| ihrachys | haleyb, that will be https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499292/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499585/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499725/ ? | 16:11 |
| jlibosva | I looked at the grenade failure and updated LP bug about what I saw in the logs. I thought that my patch ignoring host in fip object caused back the regression we were fighting with | 16:11 |
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| haleyb | ihrachys: yes, thought there were only two but i'll look at those 3 | 16:12 |
| jlibosva | also worth mentioning that I made the grenade dvr job non-voting as we weren't able to merge the rally patch with both jobs failing | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, ok. I think it's a good call in general before we prove it's back to normal | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | we already wasted ~week of gate | 16:13 |
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| haleyb | oh, I just +2'd that last one, so yes 3 | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | ETOOMANYPATCHES | 16:13 |
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| haleyb | ihrachys: and we'll keep working on the server side, then take a deep breath | 16:13 |
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| jlibosva | I'm confused, I guess we still need to fix the pike branch? | 16:14 |
| ihrachys | we also have scenario jobs at 100%. what's the latest status there? I believe anilvenkata's fixes should help that in part, but do we have full picture of remaining items? | 16:14 |
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| ihrachys | I also believe dvr keyerror issue was affecting it | 16:14 |
| jlibosva | I haven't been tracking the failures since the etherpad | 16:14 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, we probably need to backport all those 3 fixes | 16:14 |
| ihrachys | (revert is effectively already there, so 2) | 16:14 |
| haleyb | i though we backported jlibosva's keyerror fix out-of-order | 16:15 |
| jlibosva | yeah, that's why I think it broke the job again | 16:15 |
| haleyb | i.e. pike first, then master since we needed it in the "old" grenade | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, ok. I think it's fine to leave the router migration and some other work to proceed and revisit the state after those fixes in. | 16:15 |
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| jlibosva | we're talking about two topics now :) | 16:16 |
| ihrachys | :) | 16:16 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's focus on grenade/dvr | 16:16 |
| jlibosva | ack | 16:16 |
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| ihrachys | my understanding is, we have 3 fixes: revert + 2 new. | 16:16 |
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| ihrachys | we landed revert in pike because it blocked master revert | 16:16 |
| ihrachys | now we try to push the revert in master | 16:16 |
| ihrachys | since the job is non-voting it should go in smoothly despite pike being broken by keyerror | 16:17 |
| haleyb | we also pushed the second (fix keyerror) in pike | 16:17 |
| jlibosva | but the pike is still broken now as per grafan | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, because we haven't merged all 3 fixes in pike no? | 16:17 |
| jlibosva | so haleyb do you think it's possible that my fix that went to pike only broke the job again - as it might be causing the same behavior as swami's patch? | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, you pushed? merged you mean? | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | it would be nice to test all patches in one go, both backports and master fixes, with some kind of DNM patch | 16:18 |
| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500077/ one | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | I *think* gate actually allows depends-on for patches in multiple branches | 16:18 |
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| ihrachys | haleyb, I see, I wasn't aware of thta | 16:18 |
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| jlibosva | and I think the 500077 broke the gate again | 16:19 |
| jlibosva | as per grafana: http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate?panelId=11&fullscreen | 16:19 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: it was backwards because once we merged the revert to pike we couldn't land things in master... | 16:19 |
| jlibosva | if you look at 7 days history, the curve goes up after the patch has been merged | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, ok. comments on what jlibosva suggested? ^ | 16:20 |
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| jlibosva | so maybe the only way how to fix it is the server side patch | 16:20 |
| ihrachys | I would be glad if we avoid some reverts/backports before we are sure those don't break anything | 16:20 |
| jlibosva | the job was still failing on keyerror after the revert on the gate queue | 16:21 |
| jlibosva | in master | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | yes. the original patch was actually trying to fix the keyerror | 16:21 |
| jlibosva | which I don't understand why it wasn't hapenning in check queue ... | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | and then broke the gate with duplicate fips | 16:21 |
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| haleyb | jlibosva: what was your proposal? I'm sure it will be great :) | 16:21 |
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| ihrachys | so we had keyerror; then we fixed it but regressed with duplicate fips; then we reverted the latter and got keyerrors back; now we try to fix keyerrors. | 16:22 |
| jlibosva | haleyb: my suggestion is to ask haleyb and swami for help :-p | 16:22 |
| ihrachys | haha | 16:22 |
| ihrachys | well this sh*t is definitely on l3 team to solve, so I kinda agree Swami and Brian should be involved ;) | 16:22 |
| ihrachys | it all started with the late feature backport for new dvr mode | 16:23 |
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| haleyb | yes, we can take the blame for that, armando warned us... | 16:23 |
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| ihrachys | I don't care about blame. I want my precious gate back to normal. :) | 16:23 |
| jlibosva | don't tell him, he'd be like "I told you" | 16:23 |
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| ihrachys | anyway | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | #action haleyb to figure out the way forward for grenade/dvr gate | 16:24 |
| jlibosva | one thing I don't understand is why the keyerror was happening on the gate queue only - after the revert of swami's patch | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | luck? | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | I think the original keyerror was not breaking 100%? | 16:24 |
| jlibosva | maybe the reproducer was lower than current issue | 16:25 |
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| jlibosva | ywah | 16:25 |
| haleyb | it depends on where the VM was launched from what i remember, so wasn't 100% | 16:25 |
| jlibosva | but now it is 100% | 16:25 |
| jlibosva | anyway, let's move on :) | 16:25 |
| jlibosva | maybe we should revert my patch from pike and not merge it in master | 16:26 |
| ihrachys | I will let haleyb to dig ;) I will stay and watch the house burning. | 16:26 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, maybe. maybe not. that's why I would love to see some gate proof we have a final resolution. | 16:27 |
| jlibosva | https://i.imgur.com/c4jt321.png | 16:27 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva, that was exactly my reaction when I noticed tox ALL RED failure late Friday | 16:27 |
| ihrachys | I said f* it and turned off irc | 16:27 |
| jlibosva | :D | 16:27 |
| ihrachys | anyway... let's switch topics | 16:28 |
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| ihrachys | so scenario jobs. they fail, but we have router migrations work and keyerror work in the pipeline, so it probably would make sense to revisit the failure rate once those are tackled. | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | so finally, fullstack job | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | that one was on me to triage | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | and after weeks of procrastination I actually did. yay Ihar. | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | I started https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-neutron-fullstack-failures | 16:29 |
| jlibosva | I wouldn't call that procrastination but go on :) | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | and I also looked through reported bugs in gate-failure | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | and sent some patches, pulled some people | 16:30 |
| ihrachys | first, to skip test_mtu_update for linuxbridge: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/498932/ | 16:30 |
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| ihrachys | because for lb, we start dhcp agent in a namespace, and so qdhcp- netns is inside this agent namespace | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | and we don't have ip_lib supporting digging devices inside a 2nd order namespace | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | later we may revisit that | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | second is test_ha_router sporadic failure. I sent this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500185/ | 16:31 |
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| ihrachys | it basically seems that neutron-server may take some time to schedule both agents to the router, so there is a short window when only a single agent is scheduled | 16:32 |
| ihrachys | and it fails with 2 != 1 | 16:32 |
| ihrachys | the patch makes the test wait, like other test cases do | 16:32 |
| haleyb | lgtm | 16:32 |
| ihrachys | I actually believe there may be a server side bug here, because ideally it would immediately schedule both | 16:32 |
| ihrachys | and haleyb said he will have a look. | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | ;) | 16:33 |
| anilvenkata | ihrachys, jlibosva haleyb sorry I was away at that time | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | but I don't think it's at top priority | 16:33 |
| anilvenkata | for migration tests I proposed this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500384/ | 16:33 |
| haleyb | i started looking friday, will continue | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | anilvenkata, np, I think we are good. but an update on how far we are for migration fixes to land would be nice. | 16:33 |
| anilvenkata | constantly monitoring failures and updating this patch | 16:33 |
| anilvenkata | ihrachys, failures have come done | 16:34 |
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| ihrachys | down? | 16:34 |
| anilvenkata | earlier most of them are failing, now one or two | 16:34 |
| ihrachys | gooooood | 16:35 |
| jlibosva | anilvenkata: great job! :) | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | we'll loop in our best troops | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | aka haleyb | 16:35 |
| anilvenkata | I am tracking them and constantly updating the patchset, there are multiple issues(at least reported 4 bugs :) ) | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | anilvenkata, keep them coming lol | 16:35 |
| anilvenkata | once the tests are constantly passing, I will ask for review | 16:36 |
| anilvenkata | thanks ihrachys jlibosva haleyb | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | anilvenkata, ++ you da man | 16:36 |
| anilvenkata | thanks :) | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | ok. we were talking about fullstack | 16:36 |
| anilvenkata | ok | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | the last thing I am aware is, some HA tests were failing because ml2 plugin was incorrectly setting dhcp provisioning block on port update while dhcp agent was not aware of any action to do on its side, so port never came to ACTIVE | 16:37 |
| anilvenkata | I also noticed that | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | I digged that, talked to kevinbenton, and it seems like now we have a fix for that: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500269/ | 16:37 |
| jlibosva | dhcp HA or l3 HA? | 16:37 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva, l3 ha | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | but maybe it's not l3 ha specific | 16:38 |
| anilvenkata | l3 ha waiting for dhcp provisioning | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | it's just the fact that fullstack l3ha test case triggered it | 16:38 |
| jlibosva | so fullstack found yet another real issue? | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | the fix is now in gate, so we once those three are in, we may expect some better results. | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, how is it news? | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | that's what it does. | 16:38 |
| jlibosva | good guy fullstack | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | yeah, he is the cool kid in the hood | 16:39 |
| ihrachys | sadly not everyone realized that yet | 16:39 |
| ihrachys | and that's what I had for grafaan | 16:39 |
| jlibosva | speaking about fullstack, I found some time today to do some real work | 16:39 |
| ihrachys | any other interesting artifacts of grafana that I missed? | 16:40 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva, work on isolating ovs? | 16:40 |
| jlibosva | and did some of the isolation work, I plan to continue with the work this week | 16:40 |
| anilvenkata | kevinbenton, Kevin is awesome in proposing quick fixes like this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500269/3/neutron/plugins/ml2/plugin.py | 16:40 |
| jlibosva | yeah, it's not just ovs, but simulating better the nodes - it will give us a chance to run two neutron servers | 16:41 |
| jlibosva | so with haproxy, we could also test active/active server | 16:41 |
| ihrachys | oh, that's very nice. | 16:41 |
| jlibosva | also I split the data network into management and data network | 16:41 |
| anilvenkata | thats great | 16:42 |
| jlibosva | so there are more changes, I need to talk to tmorin as I know bagpipe consumes fullstack | 16:42 |
| jlibosva | so I don't break their work :) | 16:42 |
| anilvenkata | jlibosva++ | 16:42 |
| ihrachys | cool. I love the way we make progress. | 16:43 |
| ihrachys | I assume there is nothing else of interest in grafana | 16:43 |
| ihrachys | #topic Other patches | 16:43 |
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| ihrachys | I noticed there was a wishlist bug for fullstack asking to kill processes more gracefully (not sigkill but sigterm) | 16:44 |
| ihrachys | I pushed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499803/ to test whether a mere switch will do | 16:44 |
| ihrachys | so far there is a single run only and it seems successful (as much as fullstack run can be right now) | 16:45 |
| ihrachys | I will monitor and recheck it for a while. I should have some more stats the next time we meet. | 16:45 |
| ihrachys | also, the fix for functional job with new iptables from RHEL 7.4 can be found here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/495974/ | 16:46 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva already +2d, maybe haleyb can have a look. | 16:46 |
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| haleyb | i will look | 16:46 |
| ihrachys | any more patches we may need to be aware of? | 16:47 |
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| ihrachys | I guess no | 16:48 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 16:49 |
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| ihrachys | we will have PTG next week | 16:49 |
| ihrachys | so we will cancel the next meeting | 16:49 |
| ihrachys | we will meet two weeks from now | 16:49 |
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| ihrachys | anything else to discuss? | 16:49 |
| jlibosva | not from me | 16:49 |
| haleyb | nothing here | 16:49 |
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| ihrachys | ok, good, we'll wrap up. keep up the good work. | 16:50 |
| ihrachys | and haleyb, all eyes are on l3 team ;) | 16:50 |
| ihrachys | cheers | 16:50 |
| jlibosva | lol | 16:50 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 16:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 5 16:50:32 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-09-05-16.00.html | 16:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-09-05-16.00.txt | 16:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-09-05-16.00.log.html | 16:50 |
| jlibosva | thanks, bye | 16:50 |
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| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 5 18:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, notmorgan, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:00 |
| knikolla | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | agenda ^ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 18:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 18:00 |
| lamt | o/ | 18:00 |
| edmondsw | o/ | 18:00 |
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| lbragstad | #topic announcements: ptg planning | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements: ptg planning (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:01 | |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-queens-ptg | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | PTG is next week already, so the schedule is pretty much set at this point | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | i haven't heard of many conflicts | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | with out proposed sessions anyway | 18:02 |
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| lbragstad | i'm also still waiting on room information | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | but i'll up that as soon as possible | 18:02 |
| hrybacki | lbragstad: my only issue is I won't be there Monday until ~noon | 18:02 |
| hrybacki | assuming no plane issues. Irma may decide to alter those plans | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | hrybacki: ack | 18:02 |
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| kmalloc | yeah | 18:03 |
| kmalloc | meeting time or something o/ | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | the etherpads for specific sessions should be good to go | 18:03 |
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| edmondsw | raildo when is your oslo secret protection session going to be? | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | let me know if you see information missing | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | otherwise - they should be used to prepare for sessions | 18:04 |
| gagehugo | edmondsw https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-ptg-queens | 18:04 |
| raildo | edmondsw, it will be on Monday in the oslo room, at 1:30-2:10pm | 18:04 |
| edmondsw | so that's gonna conflict a bit, at least for me | 18:05 |
| raildo | edmondsw, and we are gonna to have other session, related to the tripleo/k8s discussion about it, after that session in the tripleo room | 18:05 |
| raildo | edmondsw, damn =/ | 18:05 |
| edmondsw | you and I should talk sometime before that meeting... IBM has already written code you might use | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | edmondsw: is there anything the keystone schedule can do to mitigate it? | 18:06 |
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| edmondsw | I'm trying to pull together more info on that for you | 18:06 |
| edmondsw | lbragstad probably not, because in this case the conflict is us meeting with the VM and Baremetal guys, so it's really their schedule | 18:06 |
| kmalloc | i might make it to the 2nd half of monday | 18:06 |
| raildo | edmondsw, I intend to be in the Keystone policy in code session, before that meeting | 18:06 |
| kmalloc | i def. am going to miss-policy-in-code | 18:07 |
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| kmalloc | i wont be arriving until around noon on monday | 18:07 |
| kmalloc | iirc | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | edmondsw: ack - is there a set schedule for that group/sig somewhere? | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | edmondsw: i've just kinda lumped our related topics into a big block to bring to them | 18:07 |
| edmondsw | lbragstad I was just looking at what you had put in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-queens-ptg | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | and hoping we can discuss them | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | ok | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | so - we're on the same page | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | i've reached out to the baremetal/vm sig a couple times but i haven't seen an actual schedule | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | (which kinda makes it tough to schedule the rest of things) | 18:08 |
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| * lbragstad has the feeling he's going to be chasing people down monday and tuesday | 18:08 | |
| edmondsw | lbragstad if we could firm that up in a way that doesn't conflict with the oslo discussion, that would be great | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | edmondsw: i'll see if i can reach out to johnthetubaguy again | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | i'd be happy to help them schedule it | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | but i don't know if someone else has already started doing that | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | #action lbragstad to reach out to baremetal/vm sig about firming up their schedule | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | anyone have anything for PTG stuff? | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | mostly just wanted to advertise it | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | with the etherpads for pre-session reading | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | alrighty - moving on | 18:11 |
| edmondsw | you're giving us homework? ;) | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | #topic project tags character limit | 18:11 |
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| lbragstad | edmondsw: you know it | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | it wouldn't be the PTG without it ;) | 18:11 |
| edmondsw | tru dat | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | gagehugo: o/ | 18:11 |
| gagehugo | amrith | 18:11 |
| * kmalloc has an easy answer here.... | 18:12 | |
| * kmalloc waits to hear more though | 18:12 | |
| * edmondsw thinks he knows kmalloc's answer... | 18:12 | |
| gagehugo | I'd like to avoid having it configurable | 18:12 |
| kmalloc | ++ | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | me too | 18:12 |
| amrith | hello | 18:12 |
| kmalloc | do not make it configurable | 18:12 |
| kmalloc | i would -2 configurable, ftr | 18:12 |
| gagehugo | amrith project tags character limit? | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | amrith: o/ | 18:12 |
| amrith | yes | 18:12 |
| amrith | hi lance | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | amrith: you have a use case for a higher limit of tags, right? | 18:13 |
| amrith | kmalloc doesn't want to make it configurable. oK then make the limit large | 18:13 |
| amrith | yes, the idea is to have a hierarchy of tags | 18:13 |
| kmalloc | each tag is stored as a row in the db? | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | kmalloc: yes | 18:13 |
| kmalloc | with a project->many tag relationsiop? | 18:13 |
| amrith | and for that a longer name would be required | 18:13 |
| kmalloc | then 255 varchar is the max i support | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | kmalloc: yeah - it'a many-to-many relationship | 18:14 |
| kmalloc | i don't mind if you're anywhere under or equal to 255 | 18:14 |
| kmalloc | for the tag name. | 18:14 |
| gagehugo | i'm fine with that | 18:14 |
| amrith | Morgan, I think 255 would be OK to start with; is the db field capped at 255? | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | amrith: so is the concern the *number* of tags or the lenght of a tag? | 18:14 |
| edmondsw | how many levels of hierarchy are we talking here? | 18:14 |
| amrith | kmalloc is Morgan, yes? | 18:14 |
| kmalloc | for DB reasons in MySQL it is | 18:14 |
| kmalloc | yeah. | 18:14 |
| kmalloc | don't exceed 255 unless it's really needed... and then we talk about indexes and indexing text fields | 18:15 |
| kmalloc | and blobs | 18:15 |
| amrith | edmondsw no idea. 2 or 3 at most, I think | 18:15 |
| amrith | 255 sounds fine | 18:15 |
| kmalloc | in short, 255 is fine. | 18:15 |
| amrith | even at 5 levels, 255 allows for 50 character names | 18:15 |
| kmalloc | amrith: in the db it shouldn't matter | 18:15 |
| kmalloc | because you're many tags to one project | 18:16 |
| amrith | yes, can we make the default (in code) larger | 18:16 |
| kmalloc | you should store it a relational forms | 18:16 |
| edmondsw | I was gonna say we could possibly set a lower limit on tag length, and then support up to 255 for something like "tag:tag:tag" | 18:16 |
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| amrith | I assumed we'd have tag.tag.tag.tag.tag | 18:16 |
| amrith | since the format is tag, value | 18:16 |
| amrith | or tag.tag.tag.tag, value | 18:16 |
| edmondsw | sure, I don't care what the delimiter is | 18:17 |
| * kmalloc would push this to more relational. | 18:17 | |
| amrith | as the case may be | 18:17 |
| amrith | kmalloc I agree | 18:17 |
| kmalloc | and not tied to text string concat | 18:17 |
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| amrith | fine by me, happy if we want to make it relational | 18:17 |
| kmalloc | it solves the issue | 18:17 |
| amrith | but may be overkill | 18:17 |
| kmalloc | but i wont argue too much for /against | 18:18 |
| amrith | kmalloc ditto | 18:18 |
| edmondsw | kmalloc assign a UUID per tag, and then each tag can be associated with a parent? | 18:18 |
| kmalloc | just as long as the column(s) in the db are 255 varchar | 18:18 |
| amrith | I won't argue too much against/for :) | 18:18 |
| kmalloc | make sure PKs are auto-inc int | 18:18 |
| amrith | kmalloc +1 | 18:18 |
| kmalloc | and you can use a uuid if you need externally referenceable | 18:18 |
| kmalloc | (just not as PK) | 18:18 |
| amrith | and so long as a user doesn't have to change code to get the whole 255 | 18:18 |
| amrith | asking them to change a config is fine, change code is not | 18:18 |
| kmalloc | please do not make this configurable | 18:19 |
| kmalloc | at all | 18:19 |
| gagehugo | kmalloc I won't heh | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | i'm not seeing how we could actually | 18:19 |
| amrith | fine, let's remove it from the config in that case | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | we're talking about the length of an attribute in the database | 18:19 |
| amrith | sorry from that file (whatever it was) | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | which is defined by schema, right? | 18:19 |
| gagehugo | yeah | 18:19 |
| kmalloc | anyway, my requirements are: primary-key is autoinc-int, varchar fields cannot be > 255 (and these need indexes so, please use varchar for the string data) | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | i thought this specific concern was around the actual *number* of tags that could be associated to a project | 18:20 |
| kmalloc | if it's relational data | 18:20 |
| amrith | lbragstad there were two | 18:20 |
| amrith | one was to make the overall length greater | 18:20 |
| kmalloc | it doesn't matter, unless you want to just say 50 tags. or some such | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | ok - i missed the second one then | 18:20 |
| kmalloc | make it high but reasonable | 18:20 |
| kmalloc | don't make it a config option :) | 18:20 |
| amrith | and when I was told that it could be changed, I asked for configurable, and also that max tags be configurable | 18:20 |
| kmalloc | start with it not configurable | 18:21 |
| kmalloc | and a high/reasonable max | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | and reasonably right | 18:21 |
| kmalloc | if you set one | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | high* | 18:21 |
| gagehugo | so 80 -> 255 | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | gagehugo: for which one, the database column length or the number of tags a project can have? | 18:21 |
| * kmalloc has to re-read the state of the code | 18:21 | |
| gagehugo | lbragstad column length | 18:22 |
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| kmalloc | but it sounds like it is all as i imagine | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | ok - sounds like we all agree that the column length should be 255 characters | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | do we all agree that the number of tags a project should have is 80 and non-configurable? | 18:23 |
| gagehugo | lbragstad it's currently 50 tags per project | 18:23 |
| gagehugo | we can up that to 80, idc | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | amrith: does 50 work for you? | 18:24 |
| amrith | lbragstad i think it is more than enough for me | 18:24 |
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| ayoung | PLease make it relational | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | gagehugo: cool - wanna go to 80 so that we're consistent with what nova does? | 18:24 |
| ayoung | and go to 255 | 18:25 |
| gagehugo | ok | 18:25 |
| ayoung | why would you limit the number of tags a project can have? | 18:25 |
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| lbragstad | #agreed project tag length needs to be increased to 255 characters and be relational | 18:25 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: to prevent some malicious "add a billion tags to slow things down" | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | #agreed set the number of tags a project can have to 80 to be consistent with nova | 18:26 |
| ayoung | who owns the tags? | 18:26 |
| ayoung | if I create a tag, do I own it? | 18:26 |
| gagehugo | tags is just an attribute of project | 18:26 |
| ayoung | can only I set it on a project? | 18:26 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: mostly it's a "set something reasonable and high" where if someonone hits the limit... they did something crazy. set it at 100 or 200, just not "unlimited" | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | currently - admins can tag projects | 18:26 |
| ayoung | gagehugo, watch out for the word "just" | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | by modifying the project itself | 18:27 |
| kmalloc | RBAC "folks may tag projects, RBAC", admin is default | 18:27 |
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| ayoung | lbragstad, admins? We're in 968696 territory with that term...but | 18:27 |
| kmalloc | like i said, be defensive, but not insane | 18:27 |
| kmalloc | set the limit at 200 or even 100 | 18:27 |
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| kmalloc | if we have complaints that is too low, we can adjust | 18:27 |
| ayoung | tags need to be treated as full entities, not just strings in a string table | 18:27 |
| gagehugo | ayoung why's that? | 18:28 |
| ayoung | gagehugo, IFF they are going to have any non-trivial usage | 18:28 |
| ayoung | lets say I have a tag "non-billable" | 18:28 |
| ayoung | now, it might be find to have a tag table like kmalloc suggests | 18:29 |
| ayoung | but then you are going to have a shared resource | 18:29 |
| ayoung | i.e. if I delete a tag, is it garbage collected? | 18:29 |
| ayoung | etc | 18:29 |
| ayoung | just need to think through the proposal | 18:29 |
| ayoung | is "Admin" and "admin" going to map to the same tag? | 18:30 |
| ayoung | Are we going to make Tags URL safe? | 18:30 |
| gagehugo | no, they are case-sensitive | 18:30 |
| ayoung | are they going to allow spaces? | 18:30 |
| gagehugo | yes | 18:30 |
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| ayoung | full utf-8? | 18:30 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: yeah should be. | 18:30 |
| gagehugo | yes | 18:30 |
| gagehugo | only characters not allowed are "," and "/" | 18:31 |
| gagehugo | as per https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/tags.html | 18:31 |
| ayoung | OK. Go for it. Just please provide electric shock therapy for anyone that wants to use them for any security purpose, to include billing | 18:31 |
| raildo | lol | 18:32 |
| gagehugo | heh | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | #action gagehugo to implement electric shock therapy in keystone | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | anything else on tags? | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | #topic open discussion | 18:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:33 | |
| ayoung | We've got more people beating us up over Read Only Roles | 18:33 |
| ayoung | thats all | 18:34 |
| lbragstad | ack - we have nearly an entire day dedicated to it at the ptg | 18:34 |
| ayoung | Cool. The Part of Adam Young will be played by hrybacki | 18:35 |
| ayoung | they upgraded the actor | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | ;) | 18:36 |
| hrybacki | he's not as handsome as the last however | 18:36 |
| ayoung | he played much better infront of the studio audience | 18:36 |
| * ayoung was an Infantryman | 18:36 | |
| * ayoung ugly | 18:36 | |
| lbragstad | is he allowed mic privileges? | 18:36 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, he was a Commo SGT in the Army. He can fix the mike. | 18:37 |
| hrybacki | lol | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | perfect | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | alright - unless we have other things to discuss it looks like we can get some time back | 18:37 |
| knikolla | \o/ | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | thanks all! | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 18:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:38 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 5 18:38:21 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-09-05-18.00.html | 18:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-09-05-18.00.txt | 18:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-09-05-18.00.log.html | 18:38 |
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| clarkb | hello infra team. Ready for the meeting? | 18:59 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 18:59 |
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| jeblair | o/ | 19:00 |
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| clarkb | I expect we'll have a bit of stuff to talk about today so let us go ahead and get started | 19:00 |
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| clarkb | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 5 19:01:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:01 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 19:01 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | i guess it's that time again | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #topic Announcements | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
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| clarkb | #info The PTG is next week | 19:02 |
| clarkb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-ptg-queens | 19:02 |
| clarkb | #link https://ttx.re/queens-ptg.html for general PTG info on what to expect | 19:02 |
| mordred | clarkb: I don't believe in PTGs | 19:02 |
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| clarkb | mordred: good news! it is happening either way :) | 19:03 |
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| fungi | the tooth fairy will be there | 19:03 |
| clarkb | Also, I compeltely failed at signing our new Queens release key so will remind everyone about that agin now | 19:03 |
| clarkb | #info Queens Cycle signing key ready for attestation | 19:03 |
| clarkb | #link https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x4c8b8b5a694f612544b3b4bac52f01a3fbdb9949&fingerprint=on Queens Cycle signing key | 19:03 |
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| clarkb | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/signing.html#attestation attestation process | 19:03 |
| fungi | thanks! | 19:03 |
| fungi | i mentioned it to the release team in their meeting last week as well | 19:03 |
| clarkb | if you are an infra-root and haven't done that yet, please do that soon as fungi wants to swap keys out after the trailing cycle releases happen | 19:04 |
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| fungi | yeah, basically immediately post-ptg | 19:04 |
| fungi | or as soon as i sober up ;) | 19:04 |
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| fungi | (just kidding, we have a gerrit maintenance as soon as i get home!) | 19:04 |
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| clarkb | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:04 | |
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| clarkb | fungi: I am expecting we still don't have switchport counts? not suprising considering Houston has bigger problems to worry about now | 19:05 |
| fungi | i think we can drop that from the perpetual action items and discuss at the ptg how we want to go forward | 19:05 |
| clarkb | fungi: ok that wfm | 19:05 |
| clarkb | #action ianw upgrade mirror-update server and bandersnatch | 19:06 |
| fungi | it don't suppose it's really doing much good to bring it up every meeting | 19:06 |
| ianw | still pending, didn't want to touch before release | 19:06 |
| clarkb | ianw: ^ I expect that can actually happen nowish since most of the release stuff is done tomorrow/thursday | 19:06 |
| clarkb | ianw: yup np. I just don't want to forget it and I think we are finally to a point where it is mostly safe to do | 19:06 |
| ianw | yep, will look into | 19:06 |
| clarkb | #action clarkb update infracloud docs to include ssl setup info | 19:07 |
| clarkb | I still need to write ^ that change but am hoping to do that today before the details escape me | 19:07 |
| clarkb | #topic Specs approval | 19:07 |
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| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492287/ | 19:07 |
| clarkb | This is a cleanup change and all of the dependencies are compelte for it now. Can we open that to voting for those interested in Gerrit and teh Gerrit upgrade? I'll look at getting it in on Thurdsay assuming there aren't items that need addressing | 19:08 |
| clarkb | That was really the only spec I saw that was ready. Please let me know if I missed any | 19:09 |
| clarkb | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:09 | |
| fungi | i'm good with opening that for council vote (thought you had done that last week actually) | 19:09 |
| clarkb | #undo | 19:10 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic Priority Efforts | 19:10 |
| clarkb | fungi: I don't think the dependent changes had merged by the time I looked at the specs again on thursday? I did approve the ssh keys for zuulv3 spec though | 19:10 |
| clarkb | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:10 |
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| clarkb | ok really quickly before getting into zuulv3. Just wanted to remind everyone that Gerrit upgrade to 2.13 is happening Monday after the PTG | 19:11 |
| clarkb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gerrit-2.13.-upgrade-steps | 19:11 |
| clarkb | reviewing ^ would be great if you have time (ha) | 19:11 |
| clarkb | #topic Zuulv3 | 19:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Zuulv3 (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:12 | |
| jeblair | hi! it's less than 1 week before our planned cutover to zuulv3 | 19:12 |
| * clarkb hands meeting baton to jeblair | 19:12 | |
| jeblair | here's the list of outstanding items we've been working from: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3-pre-ptg | 19:12 |
| jeblair | going down that list... | 19:13 |
| clarkb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3-pre-ptg | 19:13 |
| jeblair | i've been working on the devstack jobs, and i think the devstack-legacy job, which is the job that we'll base the automatically converted devstack jobs on is about ready | 19:13 |
| jeblair | well, it is ready | 19:13 |
| fungi | lgtm | 19:13 |
| jeblair | it's probably going to need slight revision in order to plug into what the migration script outputs | 19:14 |
| jeblair | but it demonstrates all the mechanical things it needs to do | 19:14 |
| jeblair | it's also actually really close to a framework we can use for *most* automatically converted jobs | 19:14 |
| jeblair | at any rate, i think the next step for that is now waiting on the migration script | 19:15 |
| jeblair | so i'll move part of that to the done section | 19:15 |
| jeblair | the other part of the devstack work is the zuulv3 native devstack job | 19:15 |
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| jeblair | we're making progress on that -- it's actually really cool to look at -- you can see how things are shaping up for reuse in zuulv3 and how devstack jobs can be understood by mere humans | 19:16 |
| mordred | speaking of migration script, I'm shifting my attention to migration script today | 19:16 |
| jeblair | that's here: https://review.openstack.org/500202 | 19:16 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ it's super cool | 19:16 |
| jeblair | mordred: ya, let's talk about migration script in just a min | 19:16 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500202/ devstack zuulv3 native job | 19:17 |
| jeblair | re the devstack job -- unfortunately, we've run into an issue possibly related to zuul_console or zuul_stream where we stop getting output after devstack runs wget | 19:17 |
| Shrews | weird | 19:17 |
| mordred | yah. it's ... | 19:17 |
| jeblair | digging into that is now at the top of my list (except that some emergency things jumped ahead of it this morning) | 19:17 |
| mordred | one of the weirdest things ever | 19:17 |
| jeblair | so hopefully i'll start looking at it in earnest this afternoon | 19:18 |
| fungi | does sound very bizarre | 19:18 |
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| jeblair | i'm considering it a blocker for 2 reasons -- i still think we need the native devstack job in place before the migration so we actually have something to show and something for folks to build off of | 19:18 |
| jeblair | (otherwise, chaos and anger ensues) | 19:18 |
| mordred | yup | 19:18 |
| jeblair | and also, it may represent a general problem that may appear in other contexts | 19:18 |
| fungi | well, and people continue to cargo-cult old cruft | 19:19 |
| jeblair | (though i rank that a little unlikely because devstack surpasses everything else with what it does with file handle redirection :) | 19:19 |
| clarkb | does it cause the jobs to fail too? or is it just breaking the UI? | 19:19 |
| mordred | yah - the second thing is the most troubling, because it's a very confusing thing to occur that makes no sense | 19:19 |
| jeblair | clarkb: it causes the job to hang | 19:19 |
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| clarkb | gotcha so not something we could attempt to live with if we wanted to | 19:19 |
| mordred | although it does get FURTHER than the wget before it hangs | 19:20 |
| mordred | yah | 19:20 |
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| jeblair | (ansible proceeds somewhat (unsure how far, for obvious reasons) past the point it stops logging) | 19:20 |
| mordred | it's worth noting that it's not just the remote log streaming that hangs ... | 19:20 |
| pabelanger | could we switch to curl --silent? | 19:20 |
| fungi | wonder if wget security mechanisms are getting overzealous closing extra file descriptors or something | 19:20 |
| mordred | the local writing of content to the files in /tmp also stops | 19:20 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: if our ci system can't run wget we must hide our faces in paper bags | 19:20 |
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| fungi | i have some paper bags | 19:21 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: agree | 19:21 |
| mordred | yah. I would consider not being able to run wget a showstopper - largely becaue whatever breaks wget is gonna break somethign else too | 19:21 |
| fungi | completely agree | 19:21 |
| jeblair | anyway, i'll start in on that soon and keep folks updated on it | 19:21 |
| jeblair | next thing on the list is jobs that use special slaves | 19:21 |
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| jeblair | #link jobs that use special slaves https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3-special-jobs | 19:21 |
| jeblair | mordred: ^ | 19:21 |
| mordred | so, they don't work (for obvious reasons) but if folks want to see POC jobs using the new devsack base job: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500365/ is a rewrite of all of shade's dsvm jobs using the new base job | 19:21 |
| jeblair | mordred: (cool thanks! good to exercise the new api) | 19:22 |
| mordred | I have the majority of these done, including a spectacular stack related to wheel mirrors that you shoudl all enjoy and also run away from screaming | 19:22 |
| clarkb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3-special-jobs subset of zuulv3 cutover prep work, specifically for jobs that run on special nodes | 19:22 |
| jeblair | mordred: that last one means we drop the special builders, right? | 19:23 |
| mordred | yup! | 19:23 |
| jeblair | sweet | 19:23 |
| pabelanger | yay | 19:23 |
| jeblair | mordred: what's still tbd? | 19:23 |
| mordred | there's still a few hangers on - pabelanger was just asking about next things to work on, so I think I may hand-off the last of that to him while I shit to migration script | 19:23 |
| * jeblair giggles | 19:23 | |
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| mordred | jeblair: I'll update the etherpad after the meeting with a short-list of review links / todo | 19:24 |
| mordred | oh - also - I have two other changes related to not-migration it's worth mentioning | 19:24 |
| jeblair | mordred, pabelanger: thanks! | 19:24 |
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| mordred | that I need some folks to review | 19:25 |
| pabelanger | exciting | 19:25 |
| mordred | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500320 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489719 | 19:25 |
| jeblair | oh yeah, if we find time for those, that will be really nice | 19:25 |
| mordred | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500320 is a must-have - or a different impl is - it's a thing we missed in our original tox job - which is upper-constraints handling | 19:25 |
| jeblair | it may actually end up being somewhat migration related, once we start thinking about things like neutron plugin unit tests | 19:26 |
| mordred | like, we cannot go live without eitherhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/500320 or an alternate | 19:26 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500320 constraints handling in tox jobs | 19:26 |
| mordred | the thing I want to discuss about it explicitly | 19:26 |
| mordred | is the approach taken of adding openstack/requirements to the required-projects list of the base job | 19:26 |
| jeblair | hrm | 19:27 |
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| jeblair | why can't it be in the base unittest job + base devstack job? | 19:27 |
| mordred | currently every job in v2 that runs tox is cloning openstack/requirements itself in the job, so I don't think doing that is any MORE burdensome than the current thing, but it feels weird | 19:27 |
| mordred | jeblair: because unittest is in zuul-jobs | 19:27 |
| jeblair | mordred: it feels like maybe the right thing to do is make openstack-unittest then | 19:27 |
| mordred | and I'll consider it a crying shame if openstack cannot use the tox-py27 job | 19:27 |
| pabelanger | tox-py35-constraints has it I think | 19:28 |
| mordred | i'd like to explore every possibility available before we do that | 19:28 |
| clarkb | mordred: one thing to consider is we don't need the entire repo, we just need the single file (not sure if that makes anything easier though) | 19:28 |
| mordred | clarkb: well - we also honestly need to be able to do depends-on with upper-constraints values too | 19:28 |
| mordred | jeblair: can we make a unittest job in project-config that shadows the one in zuul-jobs? | 19:29 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: are you saying tox-py35-constraints is a child job of tox-py35, and tox-py35-constraints has openstack/requirements? | 19:29 |
| clarkb | mordred: ya so some repo manipulation needs to happen | 19:29 |
| fungi | can the base tox job archetype grow a mechanism to add -c /some/path/constranits.txt if a file exists at that location, and then all we have to do is add some task to drop the right content there? | 19:29 |
| mordred | yes. tox-py35-constraints is what https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500320 is aiming to remove the need for | 19:29 |
| mordred | fungi: right -so that's what's in that patch | 19:29 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: yes to both | 19:29 |
| fungi | though i guess the set problem means that adding that task still leaves us with a subclass of the tox jobs | 19:29 |
| jeblair | mordred: oh, why do we want to remove it? | 19:29 |
| mordred | let me back up real quick | 19:30 |
| jeblair | mordred: (or we could take this as something to hash out in #zuul after meeting) | 19:30 |
| mordred | first - what the patch does is adds logic to the tox role to look for an upper-constraints file, if given, and if so it will set the environment variable UPPER_CONSTRAINTS_FILE | 19:30 |
| mordred | all of the openstack tox jobs that need/understand UC files respond to that env var | 19:31 |
| mordred | so that part of the logic allows the tox job itself to be used by people who care or don't care about upper-constraints files and for both groups it'll DTRT | 19:31 |
| mordred | the second part of the equation is getting a file on disk and telling the tox job to look for it | 19:31 |
| jeblair | mordred: i think that part is fine; the thing that rubs me the wrong way is cloning openstack/requirements everywhere; there are *a lot* of jobs that don't need that | 19:32 |
| mordred | that is the part where the current patch sets a variable and a required-projects | 19:32 |
| mordred | jeblair: indeed | 19:32 |
| mordred | jeblair: we could perhaps justmake it a project-template | 19:32 |
| mordred | jeblair: that adds the repo to required-projects and also sets the variable | 19:32 |
| mordred | so people can use python-jobs-with-constraints perhaps? | 19:33 |
| pabelanger | I think I must have missed something, I thought tox jobs that needed requirements, we'd just create tox-py35-contraints and tox-py27-constraints in openstack-zuul-jobs, everything else could use tox-py27 from zuul-jobs | 19:33 |
| jeblair | i'd love to see if we can make it a proper job | 19:33 |
| mordred | and then for individual job consumption, people can always set the variable and add the repo if they want | 19:33 |
| jeblair | can we pause for a minute though? | 19:33 |
| mordred | sure | 19:33 |
| jeblair | i'd like to ask whether we want to continue this conversation here, or just note that this is something we need to work out after the meeting? | 19:33 |
| mordred | sure. we can do that | 19:34 |
| jeblair | we have 5 items after this in the zuul list alone | 19:34 |
| clarkb | ya I think we can sort that out after meeting (this is going to be a full meeting) | 19:34 |
| mordred | I just need people to engage on this topic | 19:34 |
| jeblair | let's resume this immediately after the meeting in #zuul | 19:34 |
| mordred | kk | 19:34 |
| jeblair | next up: migration script | 19:34 |
| mordred | we can also talk about the other patch I mentioned then too | 19:34 |
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| jeblair | mordred: you mentioned earlier you're going to start working on this | 19:35 |
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| jeblair | mordred: is this still at one-person stage, or do you need/want anything from other folks? | 19:35 |
| mordred | yes. I'm shifting attention to that today - I think the other special jobs are far enough along, we can grab stragglers at the end if we need to | 19:35 |
| jeblair | s/start/resume/ | 19:35 |
| mordred | I think it's one person for the rest of today | 19:35 |
| mordred | and maybe part of tomorrow | 19:36 |
| jeblair | cool, i reckon you'll let us know when there's more stuff to jump on | 19:36 |
| jeblair | next up: migration docs | 19:36 |
| mordred | but at that point I'm expecting it'll be to the point where it can be run locally, someone can find a problem with a migration and add a workaround | 19:36 |
| jeblair | #link infra-manual zuulv3 migration docs https://review.openstack.org/500218 | 19:36 |
| jeblair | that change and its parents remove all of the TODO items from the zuulv3 infra manual page | 19:37 |
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| jeblair | it would be great if folks can review it, and also read the whole thing and identify gaps | 19:37 |
| jeblair | in some form or other, it at least roughly covers most of the things i would want to communicate to folks making the jjb -> zuul transition | 19:37 |
| jeblair | it's not complete documentation, but it should get us on the same page | 19:37 |
| jeblair | i think once we have the migration script, we may want to add things related to that | 19:38 |
| Shrews | jeblair: i'll review those today | 19:38 |
| jeblair | like "the migration script output some stuff that looks like this, here's what you should do" | 19:38 |
| jeblair | can't write that yet | 19:38 |
| jeblair | we already talked about zuul_console breakage... so next is docs job incorrectly publishing | 19:39 |
| jeblair | we published the zuulv3 docs over top of the zuulv2 docs | 19:39 |
| jeblair | i think pabelanger just checked in on this before the meeting, and there's a patch that should fix that | 19:39 |
| jeblair | so hopefully this is mostly taken care of already, just needs a review and some republishing | 19:39 |
| pabelanger | yes | 19:39 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: can you take care of making sure that patch gets merged and appropriate jobs re-run to get the right content back in place (and the new version exercised)? | 19:40 |
| clarkb | I'll review this immediately after the meeting too | 19:41 |
| clarkb | (since I started looking at it just before) | 19:41 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: yes, I'll do that after the meeting | 19:41 |
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| jeblair | cool thx | 19:41 |
| jeblair | finally -- zuul-cloner shim; i sent an email out about this and Shrews started working on it | 19:41 |
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| clarkb | idea here is just that if you run zuul-cloner it doesn't break on you to easy migration? | 19:42 |
| clarkb | *ease | 19:42 |
| jeblair | clarkb: also it translates the golang-style paths to zuul-cloner style paths | 19:42 |
| jeblair | src/git.o.o/openstack/foo -> openstack/foo | 19:43 |
| jeblair | maybe even supports clonemap files so jobs that rely on that work as-is | 19:43 |
| Shrews | working on the clonemap login now | 19:43 |
| Shrews | logic* | 19:43 |
| jeblair | Shrews: w00t thanks! | 19:43 |
| clarkb | nice | 19:44 |
| jeblair | that's all the things on the list -- anything missing? | 19:44 |
| jeblair | (blockers for migration/cutover) | 19:44 |
| mordred | oh - I noticed a thing, I should add it to the list ... | 19:44 |
| pabelanger | new servers we need for saturday? | 19:44 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: yes! | 19:44 |
| pabelanger | eg: nl02.o.o is online, and we should cut over to it asap | 19:45 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger: did you spin down those logstash servers? | 19:45 |
| pabelanger | nl01.o.o is trusty | 19:45 |
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| mordred | I noticed this weekend while working on some base job stuff that our configure-mirrors role does not have parity with the current configure-mirror script | 19:45 |
| jeblair | mordred: nice thanks :) | 19:45 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: I just stopped logstash services first, so if we are okay to stop them, we can do that now | 19:45 |
| pabelanger | logstash-worker016.o. to logstash-worker20.o.o | 19:46 |
| mordred | I think we can likely make a legacy-openstack-configure-mirrors thing in project-config that does a dumb version of a direct translation | 19:46 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: cool, sounds like you, fungi, and clarkb can probably handle that | 19:46 |
| clarkb | mordred: jeblair fwiw the existing script is written such that you execute the same script hat nodepool exectures to load that data up | 19:46 |
| clarkb | for mirrors | 19:46 |
| mordred | and make it nicer moving forward | 19:46 |
| fungi | yup | 19:46 |
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| pabelanger | kk | 19:46 |
| mordred | clarkb: yup. I think we need to have legacy-openstack-configure-mirrors do that for now | 19:46 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: ya logstash job queue count looks ok so should be fine to turn those servers off/delete them | 19:47 |
| mordred | clarkb: and then we can circle back and talk about how/if to refactor it to be more 'native' later | 19:47 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: ack | 19:47 |
| jeblair | okay, the next event(s) in our schedule are to do trial cutovers this weekend -- saturday and/or sunday evenings. obviously that will only happen if these blockers are sufficiently resolved by then. | 19:48 |
| jeblair | maybe let's discuss details on that friday? | 19:49 |
| fungi | sounds great | 19:49 |
| Shrews | wfm | 19:49 |
| pabelanger | ++ | 19:49 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: eot from me | 19:50 |
| clarkb | ok | 19:50 |
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| clarkb | there is also a new thread on the mailing list about Zuul UI things | 19:50 |
| clarkb | I've sent a quick reply but definitely don't have enough background on everything going on in Zuul to say much. Would be nice if someone could respodn to that properly | 19:51 |
| clarkb | #topic PTG team dinner | 19:51 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: will do | 19:51 |
| clarkb | Tuesday evening looks like the best night for us because it is when we have the most overlap without conflicts. I have't heard objections yet but basically said lets do Tuesday evening at beer garden | 19:52 |
| jeblair | ++ | 19:52 |
| pabelanger | Mmm, garden beer | 19:52 |
| clarkb | If this doesnt' work please propose alternatives but as of today that is the plan :) | 19:52 |
| clarkb | Once in Denver I'll send mail/ping people with details on how we are transporting | 19:53 |
| clarkb | #topic Project renames | 19:53 |
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| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500768 | 19:53 |
| clarkb | we have one project rename. I don't expect we'll get to taht this week for obvious reasons, or next | 19:53 |
| clarkb | Assuming gerrit upgrade goes well after PTG maybe we can plan a rename for that week or week after? This is mostly a heads up, but lets not worry about it until later | 19:54 |
| fungi | i expected it would happen after the gerrit upgrade | 19:54 |
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| fungi | sounds good | 19:54 |
| clarkb | In theory we'll be knocking out a couple long standing todo items for infra over the next couple weeks so lets focus on doing that first | 19:54 |
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| clarkb | #topic Open Discussion | 19:55 |
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| clarkb | woo managed a couple minutes leftover for this | 19:55 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/GoqkPTucMK infra addition to tc's top 5 help wanted | 19:55 |
| mordred | \o/ | 19:55 |
| fungi | the tc has suggested we propose something along those lines to help increase visibility with companies looking for effective ways to get more involved | 19:55 |
| fungi | please hack that up with whatever edits you think it deserves | 19:55 |
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| fungi | but i'd like to get it pushed up to gerrit in the next day or two | 19:56 |
| * clarkb makes note to review that | 19:56 | |
| pabelanger | fungi: nice, was just talking to some downstream people about how to get move involved upstream | 19:56 |
| fungi | i borrowed a little wording from the summary in system-config doc, though with tweaks and most of that is wholly new prose | 19:56 |
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| clarkb | doesn't look like there is much else. Thank you everyone | 19:59 |
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| clarkb | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 5 19:59:17 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-09-05-19.01.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-09-05-19.01.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-09-05-19.01.log.html | 19:59 |
| fungi | thanks clarkb! | 19:59 |
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| fungi | reminder: no tc meeting this week, but there is an upcoming office hour at 01:00 utc in #openstack-tc | 19:59 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 5 21:00:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 21:00 |
| zioproto | hello | 21:00 |
| hogepodge | hi | 21:00 |
| oneswig | hello and good evening etc. | 21:00 |
| rbudden | hello | 21:00 |
| martial | Hello all | 21:00 |
| priteau | Hello! | 21:00 |
| oneswig | #link agenda for today is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_September_5th_2017 | 21:01 |
| oneswig | #chair martial | 21:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial oneswig | 21:01 |
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| oneswig | Quite a few topics to cover today, lets get rolling | 21:02 |
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| oneswig | #topic opportunistic capacity on OpenStack | 21:02 |
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| oneswig | Blair was particularly interested in this - should we defer until he's joined? | 21:02 |
| oneswig | Lets cover item 2 first | 21:03 |
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| oneswig | #topic private cloud capacity meter | 21:03 |
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| oneswig | OK so this item was triggered by the discussion on metrics for instance availability a few weeks back | 21:03 |
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| oneswig | As an example of how new API capabilities can be used, John Garbutt put together a demo | 21:04 |
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| oneswig | for measuring cloud available capacity using (some of) the new Nova placement APIs | 21:05 |
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| oneswig | #link os-capacity tool https://github.com/johngarbutt/os-capacity | 21:05 |
| oneswig | Works particularly well for bare metal clouds! | 21:05 |
| zioproto | cool, I just went through the README. I guess you need to run it with Admin credentials right ? | 21:05 |
| oneswig | yes, it's an admin tool, unless your users are especially empowered | 21:06 |
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| priteau | oneswig: Does it require the placement API? | 21:06 |
| b1airo | morning and sorry for tardiness - bit of a morning meltdown happening with #1 here | 21:06 |
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| oneswig | Yes but not the new features introduced by pike - we use it on ocata - but one day will improve to use it with the new features introduced in pike | 21:07 |
| oneswig | Hi b1airo | 21:07 |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 21:07 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo martial oneswig | 21:07 |
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| oneswig | just on os-capacity | 21:07 |
| martial | welcome blair | 21:07 |
| oneswig | What it helps with is the disconnect between (eg) SLURM queues and cloud about how to handle being full. | 21:08 |
| oneswig | cloud says 'no', slurm says 'join the queue' | 21:08 |
| oneswig | At least now we have an idea of how much resource we can ask for | 21:08 |
| oneswig | OK - just wanted to offer that up - share and enjoy :-) | 21:09 |
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| oneswig | Back to the agenda | 21:09 |
| oneswig | #topic opportunistic cloud capacity | 21:09 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: take it away | 21:09 |
| b1airo | wanted to take a suevey of what people/deployers are doing to address this use-case today | 21:10 |
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| b1airo | what opportunistic capacity i mean something slightly different to the usual "on-demand" associated with cloud-computing | 21:11 |
| b1airo | my experience of "on-demand" in the private/community cloud space is that it really means on-demand until the cloud is full, then again for a little while after each upgrade, but generally it becomes hard to launch e.g. larger flavours actually on-demand | 21:12 |
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| b1airo | i'd like to carve out some compute capacity for groups who have burst / speculative use-cases and are happy to be able to launch e.g. one or two 16 core instances for 24 hours with some basic fairness mechanism arbitrating | 21:13 |
| b1airo | the simplest idea today seems to be: | 21:14 |
| b1airo | 1) create a separate AZ for it | 21:14 |
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| b1airo | 2) create a new project for each existing project that wants access (to control quota) | 21:14 |
| b1airo | 3) give that new project access to use the AZ | 21:15 |
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| b1airo | 4) run watcher and killer scripts that randomly kill stuff older than X hours | 21:15 |
| oneswig | b1airo: would you have it so that there was some kind of kill-to-fill LRU execution when an instance is requested and the AZ is full? | 21:16 |
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| zioproto | b1airo: watcher and killer scripts, are you considering Openstack Mistral ? | 21:17 |
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| b1airo | that'd certainly be ideal oneswig , but implementing that is a nightmare i reckon, would be easier to have external scripts just ensure there is always Y capacity free | 21:17 |
| b1airo | and if no instances older than limit then the zone is full | 21:18 |
| zioproto | b1airo: we have a similar use case where we have to make sure instances run by students are killed everynight at midnight. The use case is different, but we have the same concept of killing resources after a while they are running | 21:18 |
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| oneswig | zioproto: do you use mistral for that, as you suggest? | 21:19 |
| zioproto | oneswig: no we dont | 21:19 |
| b1airo | does sound similar zioproto, i guess that is for a lab setup? | 21:20 |
| b1airo | re. mistral, maybe... is it a good fit? | 21:20 |
| zioproto | yes, we are using ansible based stuff to delete the instances | 21:20 |
| zioproto | just because we needed to set this up quickly, and we did not have time to learn another tool just for this task | 21:21 |
| b1airo | anyway, i think this general use case is very common and something that OpenStack really needs to address | 21:22 |
| priteau | b1airo: In our team we call "on-availability" the opposite of "on-demand". One of our projects is combining OpenStack for on-demand and Torque for on-availability, where the compute nodes are moved from one to the other depending on usage. We are hoping to publish results at a conference in 2018. This is quite different from your solution and not relying only on OpenStack though. | 21:22 |
| b1airo | e.g. in the Nectar cloud we have an allocations system with 1,3,6,12 month project lengths and an expiry process. but even with 7 zones of 3-4k cores we still run into this problem | 21:23 |
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| oneswig | priteau: does that mean that torque queues up OpenStack API requests that couldn't be satisfied? | 21:23 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | evening folks. Pardon the tardiness | 21:23 |
| b1airo | priteau, "on-availability" - i like it! have not heard that term in this context before | 21:23 |
| oneswig | Hi StefanPaetowJisc | 21:23 |
| rbudden | priteau: that’s similar to the limited use cases we’ve had for large scale VMs. We’ve traditionally had the nodes placed in a Slurm reservation, then turned into Nova Computes on demand via bash/ansible/etc. | 21:23 |
| zioproto | b1airo: I am reading as we speak the python code my colleague wrote. The project is decorated with an attribute. Reading the attribute we wrote a custom python code that decides if killing or shutting down the instances on the project. | 21:23 |
| b1airo | o/ StefanPaetowJisc | 21:24 |
| priteau | oneswig: no, they're two separate queues with possibly different groups of users. But behind the scenes they're sharing the same cluster. | 21:24 |
| rbudden | which reminds me, i still owe b1airo an email about this ;) | 21:24 |
| b1airo | oh hey rbudden o/ | 21:24 |
| oneswig | John Garbutt asked me to prompt people interested in preemptible instances (which essentially is the user-centric effect of this concept) | 21:25 |
| priteau | b1airo: Not directly related to the above: the Blazar team will be meeting for the Denver PTG next week and will discuss the idea of the "reaper" service that was proposed in Boston | 21:25 |
| oneswig | If they could review and comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438640 | 21:25 |
| oneswig | If they haven't done so already. This will inform discussion at the PTG next week. | 21:25 |
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| martial | priteau +1 | 21:26 |
| oneswig | So please take a look if you want a spot instance capability on your cloud | 21:26 |
| zioproto | #link WIP: Backlog spec on preemptible servers https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438640 | 21:26 |
| oneswig | zioproto: the very same :-) | 21:26 |
| zioproto | oneswig: yes I just formatted it for the MeetBot | 21:26 |
| oneswig | thanks zioproto | 21:26 |
| oneswig | priteau: how's the gui for blazar? | 21:27 |
| priteau | oneswig: It's upstream! | 21:27 |
| priteau | https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/blazar-dashboard/ | 21:28 |
| oneswig | nice work | 21:28 |
| b1airo | nice | 21:28 |
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| oneswig | We may want this, sooner rather than later, our ska system is getting very busy | 21:28 |
| oneswig | I'll be in touch priteau... | 21:29 |
| priteau | Sounds good | 21:29 |
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| oneswig | OK, anything more to add on opportunistic usage? | 21:31 |
| b1airo | i'm interested to know if people think it is ok to have a different system/api to meet this use-case | 21:31 |
| martial | b1airo: I think that is how some people do it, so I would vote yes | 21:32 |
| b1airo | or whether it should be through Nova API and therefore require some API changes to instance creation, i.e., a richer NoValidHost | 21:32 |
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| martial | I do like the blazar solution | 21:33 |
| b1airo | martial, the implication if that is the case is we as a community should make an effort to ease and demonstrate that integration for newcomers | 21:33 |
| b1airo | there are really not that many combinations to worry about, e.g., Nova+SLURM and Nova+PBS would probably cover ~80% | 21:34 |
| priteau | rbudden: Do you have a writeup of your Slurm/Nova solution somewhere? | 21:34 |
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| rbudden | priteau: I owe and email about this to b1airo, I can include you on it if you’d like ;) | 21:34 |
| priteau | Yes please! | 21:35 |
| martial | rbudden: can you add me as well? | 21:35 |
| rbudden | Everything is just getting back to normal after some vacation and our Bridges upgrades | 21:35 |
| rbudden | Martial: sure thing | 21:35 |
| martial | thx | 21:35 |
| b1airo | thanks rbudden! | 21:35 |
| rbudden | I’ll warn you it’s nothing super fancy | 21:35 |
| oneswig | b1airo: On the all-openstack side, I think there are liabilities with queuing to get an instance that nova may be wary of, eg, what if I was delayed in creating an instance and then found the resources upon which I depended were gone | 21:35 |
| zioproto | I dont know if it is related but I did some testing in running 1000 VMs in a single 'openstack server create' command | 21:35 |
| rbudden | largely utilizing Availability Zones and metadata tagging of hypervisors and Nova flavors | 21:35 |
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| zioproto | the idea is to be able to run that big about of VMs but for a short time | 21:36 |
| rockyg | rbudden, you should also consider giving it to the folks who publish superuser blog | 21:36 |
| oneswig | Hi rockyg! | 21:36 |
| rbudden | rockyg: sounds interesting, i can check into that unless someone has a direct contact I can use? | 21:36 |
| rockyg | Hey! been lurking | 21:36 |
| oneswig | rbudden: there's a whole chapter on this... in the book... hint... | 21:37 |
| rockyg | Nicole ??? | 21:37 |
| zioproto | where is a good start to read about PBS+nova, given that I never used PBS ? | 21:37 |
| rbudden | oneswig: thanks! i have a copy in front of me on the bookshelf, i’ll check it out! | 21:37 |
| rbudden | zioproto: I just did a simlar test using Nova/Ironic during our upgrade | 21:37 |
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| rbudden | I believe only on the order of 500 nodes in a single instantiation | 21:38 |
| oneswig | rbudden: might be a case study for the second edition? | 21:38 |
| rbudden | yes, i’ll have notes on this for the book update! | 21:38 |
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| rbudden | moved to local boot across all nodes and was able to test and verify the Nova scheduler bug fix for this that’s mentioned in the first edition of the book | 21:38 |
| rockyg | Nicole Martinelli, rbudden | 21:38 |
| rbudden | rockyg: thx | 21:38 |
| zioproto | rbudden: #link https://cloudblog.switch.ch/2017/08/28/starting-1000-instances-on-switchengines/ | 21:39 |
| rbudden | cool, i’ll check out the link | 21:40 |
| martial | zioproto: very nice indeed | 21:40 |
| oneswig | zioproto: you should get your blog onto planet.openstack.org, if it isn't already? | 21:41 |
| rockyg | ++ to that. | 21:42 |
| zioproto | #action zioproto check if his blog is already on planet openstack | 21:42 |
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| oneswig | OK, move on? | 21:43 |
| oneswig | #topic book update | 21:43 |
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| oneswig | The second edition is taking shape nicely. | 21:43 |
| oneswig | Thank you to everyone who has contributed their time and input so far. | 21:43 |
| oneswig | We have some case studies to fill still | 21:44 |
| oneswig | 1) Bare metal infrastructure management case study please, to accompany Bridges and Chameleon | 21:44 |
| oneswig | 2) Federation examples to be proposed for the new section, led by Enol | 21:44 |
| hogepodge | I'm here to remind everyone of the deadline. | 21:45 |
| rbudden | oneswig: as mentioned in my email to you this morning, i’ll be working on the Bridges update this week. | 21:45 |
| oneswig | Thanks rbudden, appreciated | 21:45 |
| rbudden | I was delaying in hopes to have more time to play with some Neutron integration, but other tasks have unfortuantey had me preoccupied | 21:46 |
| priteau | I have done most of the update of the Chameleon case study this morning, will still provide a few more changes later this week | 21:46 |
| rbudden | I’m attempting a skip level upgrade from Liberty -> Ocata on our second cluster… I doubt I’ll have it complete before the deadline but if I’ll keep everyone appraised | 21:47 |
| oneswig | Excellent. What of the federators in this time zone? | 21:48 |
| oneswig | (... obviously busy debugging SAML issues...) | 21:48 |
| hogepodge | Does the team feel like it's on track to deliver the update in a few weeks? | 21:50 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Sorry, debugging non-SAML stuff here... feverishly trying to get GSSAPI (Moonshot) done for an HPC-SIG meeting next week :-) | 21:50 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Still haven't looked at the book spec :-( | 21:50 |
| oneswig | hogepodge: I think so, many people have been responsive | 21:50 |
| oneswig | Good luck StefanPaetowJisc, keep us updated! | 21:50 |
| hogepodge | Excellent. Is there anything I need to take back to the Foundation team? | 21:50 |
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| hogepodge | We're hoping that the book will have an exciting color image, btw. :-D | 21:51 |
| martial | hogepodge: still the plan, we have to discuss a cut off date for review but we are on track | 21:51 |
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| oneswig | hogepodge: nothing comes to mind for the foundation team right now, thanks | 21:52 |
| martial | color :) | 21:52 |
| oneswig | hogepodge: how will you decide on a cover? | 21:52 |
| oneswig | BTW - one issue - does anyone have Adobe Illustrator? We can read the .ai files (they are actually PDFs) but not edit them. | 21:53 |
| hogepodge | oneswig: the previous book used a research image from one of our community members. If you get an image to us, we can get it to our design team to build out the cover | 21:53 |
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| oneswig | Interesting idea... Can the WG members run a poll do you think? I'm sure you and the team would pick a good one. | 21:54 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Hmmmm | 21:54 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | I have AI somewhere... | 21:54 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | I have AI CS4. | 21:55 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | If that helps | 21:55 |
| b1airo | pretty sure i can get Adobe suite if required | 21:55 |
| martial | same as b1airo | 21:55 |
| oneswig | StefanPaetowJisc: it could well. Can I bear that in mind. Same to you b1airo | 21:55 |
| b1airo | hogepodge, i was wondering about that - we might be able to get something from Monash | 21:56 |
| oneswig | I sense a poll ... | 21:56 |
| oneswig | OK, 1 final topic to squeeze in - can we do it? | 21:56 |
| b1airo | i will talk to my colleague who is very good with this sort of stuff and spends hours making slide decks :-) | 21:56 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Ok, oneswig. | 21:56 |
| oneswig | #topic SWG -> SSIG? | 21:56 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: what's up? Do we automatically become a SIG? | 21:57 |
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| zioproto | I will try to let you know about this soon | 21:57 |
| zioproto | should be a topic in the UC | 21:57 |
| martial | that is a conversation that was explained to us at the UC forum session in Boston | 21:58 |
| zioproto | we skipped a meeting because of bank holiday in the US | 21:58 |
| martial | but it seemed to Blair and I at the time that it seems so | 21:58 |
| rockyg | So, you get to say yea/nay | 21:58 |
| martial | zioproto, you will keep us updated it seems :) | 21:58 |
| oneswig | Are there material changes to be aware of? | 21:58 |
| rockyg | I don't know what happens if you don't pick. | 21:58 |
| rockyg | Trying to get more devs involved. | 21:59 |
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| zioproto | as far as I understood the biggest change is that there will be a big mailing list with all SIGs | 21:59 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | EWWW | 22:00 |
| zioproto | and you have to write with your SIG in [] | 22:00 |
| zioproto | similar to openstack-dev mailing list | 22:00 |
| b1airo | sorry i walked away to chase someone to pack there schoolbag o_0 | 22:00 |
| b1airo | *their | 22:00 |
| b1airo | (back to school for me!) | 22:00 |
| oneswig | It doesn't sound all that different | 22:00 |
| priteau | Isn't that what we already do? | 22:00 |
| zioproto | oneswig: I would not worry too much | 22:00 |
| oneswig | b1airo: it's been that week here, too | 22:00 |
| rockyg | Yeah. Hope is one ml will get more response and cross pollination | 22:00 |
| b1airo | zioproto, that is my understanding too | 22:01 |
| priteau | Let's skip the SIG and go straight to STIG ;-) | 22:01 |
| zioproto | #link http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-sigs | 22:01 |
| oneswig | is the major difference the expectation of less work and more interest? | 22:01 |
| b1airo | Special Technical Interest Group! | 22:01 |
| oneswig | priteau: too good.... | 22:01 |
| priteau | b1airo: exactly! | 22:01 |
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| b1airo | oneswig, i think that is one of the subtler expectations yeah | 22:01 |
| b1airo | WGs were probably thought of originally as more autonomous and goal focused | 22:02 |
| oneswig | Ah, we are over time. | 22:02 |
| zioproto | good night ! | 22:02 |
| oneswig | But to conclude, this is not an issue of concern it seems | 22:02 |
| oneswig | business as usual? | 22:02 |
| oneswig | zioproto: thanks for staying up! | 22:03 |
| b1airo | whereas SIGs are a way to get cliques together, and i think the UC would then like to introduce a few more guidelines to get useful and standardised outputs from those groups | 22:03 |
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| rbudden | gotta jet, goodbye everyone! | 22:03 |
| b1airo | bye all! | 22:03 |
| zioproto | b1airo: ok ! I take this input for the UC :) | 22:03 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | bye rbudden | 22:03 |
| oneswig | thanks everyone | 22:03 |
| priteau | bye everyone | 22:03 |
| zioproto | guys it is really late here, I have to leave to sleep, ciao :) | 22:03 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 22:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 5 22:04:00 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-09-05-21.00.html | 22:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-09-05-21.00.txt | 22:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-09-05-21.00.log.html | 22:04 |
| martial | I guess we are done :) | 22:04 |
| rockyg | ttfn! | 22:04 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | bye all | 22:07 |
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