Thursday, 2017-08-03

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ekcstime for congress meeting ramineni masahito thinrichs00:00
masahitohi00:01
ekcs#startmeeting congressteammeeting00:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug  3 00:01:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.00:01
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ekcshi masahito !00:01
ekcsas usual, topics are here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics00:01
ekcsplease read/add/comment =)00:01
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thinrichsHi all00:03
ekcshi thinrichs !00:04
ekcstopics here as usual: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics00:04
ekcslet’s move along then =)00:04
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ekcs#topic announcements00:04
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ekcsStable policy tag approved: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/479030/00:05
ekcswe’ve been following policy for a while. had to get a few structure things in place and formally apply.00:05
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ekcsNothing really changes in terms of how we maintain stable branches.00:05
ekcsPike-3 tagged for congress server and dashboard00:06
ekcsany other announcements?00:06
ekcsok moving on then.00:07
ekcs#topic RC100:07
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ekcsRC1 is due 8/7 - 8/10 (Thursday)00:08
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ekcsWe should try to have all RC1 patches merged as soon as ready and by 8/9 (Wednesday). 8/10 (Thursday) absolute last chance if needed.00:09
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ekcsany thoughts or questions around that?00:09
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thinrichsNot from me00:10
ekcsclarification 8/10 (Thursday) absolute last chance if needed would be early in the day, like around this time next week.00:10
ekcscool!00:11
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ekcsI have here an informal TODO list for RC1 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-rc-tasks00:12
ekcsmostly it was just for me to remember what needs to be done.00:12
ekcsbut definitely feel free to add/comment/reference00:13
ekcstasks are listed roughly in order of priority. between now and RC1 I’m basically going to work down the list.00:13
ekcsif you’d like to pick up a task just add your name to it =)00:14
ekcsany thoughts/comments/questions?00:14
thinrichsHow's the doc migration going?00:15
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ekcsthinrichs: mostly not started yet on congress server and dashboard. but haven’t done it for congress client, I think I have a decent grip on it.00:16
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thinrichsSo now all Congress docs are written and hosted by us (that's the plan)00:17
ekcsthinrichs: yup. I think practically it’s not that different than before once we’re done with the migration.00:18
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ekcsthinrichs: I checked and don’t see much congress doc that resides only in docs team maintained tree and not in our tree.00:18
ekcsdefinitely let me know if that’s inaccurate cuz that’s one of the important steps =p00:19
thinrichsThat sounds right to me.00:19
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thinrichsSo then the doc migration is mainly moving to a new framework for publishing docs?00:19
ekcsit’s mostly we have to structure our tree differently and do a bunch of things around that. once that’s done shouldn’t be too different going forward.00:19
thinrichsOkay00:20
ekcshere’s a task tracking etherpad for doc migration for those interested: #lnk https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-migration-tracking00:20
ekcsok anything else around RC1?00:21
ekcsok then moving on.00:22
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ekcs#topic Patches00:22
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ekcsPlease stay on reviews when possible to help get things in for RC1 =)00:23
ekcsAnything to discuss now around open patches?00:23
ekcsserver: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/congress+status:open+branch:master00:23
ekcsdashboard: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/congress-dashboard+status:open00:23
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ekcsi’ll wait a couple minutes then we can go to open discussion if nothing to discuss now.00:26
ekcsvery efficient meeting =)00:26
thinrichsWhat's the DatabaseDataError?00:28
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thinrichsHave we not seen that before?  Or have we just not caught it properly?00:28
ekcsthinrichs: I encountered it when attempting to write rule comment longer than 255 chars.00:29
ekcsthinrichs: I added checking now to disallow that, so that exact thing shouldn’t happen again.00:29
ekcsekcs: but in general we can’t do all the checking because some data length limits are back-end/platform dependent.00:30
thinrichsRight00:30
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ekcsSo I figured it can be helpful to display something more meaningful than just internal server error if something like that is encountered in the future by user.00:31
ekcsin general we have poor handling of those situations right now.00:32
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ekcsthe patch is meant as a tiny incremental improvement that was convenient for me to submit cuz I just encountered that case.00:33
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ekcslet’s go to open discussions (but also feel free to continue discussing patches).00:34
ekcs#topic open discussions00:34
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thinrichsekcs: I did some quick reviews there.  Several seemed to be clear +2s.00:36
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ekcsgreat thanks thinrichs !00:37
thinrichsI didn't merge any of them though.  Not sure if you want them to go in quite yet00:37
thinrichsBut whenever you're ready, go ahead and Workflow+100:37
ekcsgot it.00:37
ekcsok shall we end early if there’s nothing else to discuss? speak up if you have anything =)00:38
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ekcsOh one quick thing:00:39
ekcsour PTG planning etherpad is up. there’s nothing there right now, but you can change that =)00:39
ekcs#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTG/Queens/Etherpads00:39
ekcsok well let’s end meeting then. I’ll be on #congress =)00:41
ekcssee you all later!00:41
thinrichsThanks all!00:41
masahitothanks!00:41
ekcs#endmeeting00:41
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zhenguo#startmeeting mogan02:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug  3 02:00:56 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is zhenguo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.02:00
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zhenguoliusheng, shaohe_feng, wanghao, litao, Xinran, zhangyang: o/02:01
zhangyango/02:01
liushengo/02:01
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Xinrano/02:02
zhenguoas always, the agenda:02:02
zhenguo#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Mogan#Agenda_for_next_meeting02:02
zhenguolet's jump in02:03
zhenguo#topic announcements and reminders02:03
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zhenguoOur gate job is not running nova services now!02:03
zhenguoand there's a patch to update the recommended devstack config file02:03
zhenguoyou can restack your env to have a try:D02:03
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liushengcool02:04
zhenguohah02:04
zhenguoanother thing is the keyword of our CLI02:05
zhenguohow about replacing 'baremetal' wit 'bm'?02:05
zhenguowe have to change it soon02:05
zhenguoI don't like 'baremetal compute' or 'baremetal management', as it's long02:06
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liushengzhenguo: yes, but I am not sure if there is a concept of OSC "namespace" ?02:06
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zhenguoliusheng: seems not, but we should avoid collision02:07
liushengzhenguo: for Neutron, there are: openstack network xxx, openstack subnet xxx, openstack router xxx, seems OSC we only need to care about the resources02:08
zhenguoliusheng: and some operators complain that, when typing 'baremetal' they think it's ironic command02:08
zhenguoliusheng: yes, but we should avoid collisions02:08
zhenguoliusheng: we introduce node notion in mogan, how to handle 'openstack baremetal node list'02:09
zhenguoliusheng: and they think 'server' and 'node' are synonym02:10
litao__I am here02:11
liushengliusheng: hmmm.. hard to choice02:11
zhenguolitao__: o/02:11
zhenguoliusheng: yes02:11
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liushengzhenguo: but bm it also a bit unclear02:12
zhenguoliusheng: why? as my understand it's just like vm02:12
liushengzhenguo: OSC don't has abbreviation like this02:13
liushengzhenguo: how about baremachine, hah02:14
zhenguoliusheng: it's not readable02:14
zhenguoliusheng: I never seen that word02:14
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liushengzhenguo: just gooled it, there are many usages02:15
zhenguoliusheng: oh seems yes02:15
wanghaozhenguo: I just changed the Zaqar service with 'messaging', so I think we could use 'bare-managing'?02:15
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liushengzhenguo: s/gooled/googled02:16
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litao__liusheng: lol02:16
zhenguoI find ZUN choose something like containerapp as containers is used by others02:17
liushenghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare_machine02:17
liushengzhenguo: in wikipage, baremachine is like another name of baremetal02:18
zhenguoliusheng: seems yes02:18
liushengzhenguo: "bare metal" redirects here. For other uses, see bare metal (disambiguation).02:18
zhenguoso baremachine is '裸机' and baremetal is '裸金属' in chinese, lol02:19
liushengzhenguo: hah, yes02:20
shaohe_fengzhenguo: morning. sorry for late02:20
litao__Using two names for one thing is strange02:20
wanghaozhenguo: I think for most of  chinese users,  they are same02:21
shaohe_fengzhenguo: in another meeting. just rush to office for mogan02:21
zhenguoas we just the same thing02:21
zhenguoshaohe_feng: hah02:21
zhenguobaremachine is a good alternative in my opinion02:22
liushengif is baremachine a bit more meaning "provisioned baremetal server" than baremetal of "unprovisioned baremetal server" ?02:23
zhenguoliusheng: as the wiki said, it's for just hardware without operating system02:23
liushengzhenguo: hah02:23
zhenguobaremetal and baremachine with the same meaning02:24
liushengseems yes02:25
zhenguowanghao, litao__: if you think two keyword for same thing is strange how about 'baremetal compute' or 'baremetal management'02:26
wanghaozhenguo: I prefer to just use one word 'baremetal'02:26
liushengzhenguo: that is still with a prefix word of "barmetal" which is same with baremetal02:26
wanghaozhenguo: sorry,  I didn't get that why we need to change the baremetal?02:27
liushengzhenguo: same with Ironic02:27
litao__I agree the prefix ‘baremetal’02:27
zhenguowanghao: I asked on the mailing list before, they prefer us to change02:27
wanghao....02:28
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wanghaoit  conflict with others now?02:28
wanghaoIronic?02:28
zhenguowanghao: not now, but after we introduced the node notion, it conflicts with ironic02:28
wanghaookay I see02:29
zhenguohttps://openstack.nimeyo.com/113997/openstack-dev-osc-ironic-mogan-share-same-keyword-baremetal02:30
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wanghaoif we use 'baremachine',  it's also hard to distinguish for users.02:30
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wanghaohow about use 'bare_computing' ?02:32
litao__wanghao: yes, zhenguo give us two advice “baremeal compute ”, “baremetal management”, which is better?02:33
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zhenguowanghao: not sure if bare computing is readable02:33
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wanghaozhenguo:  then I prefer baremetal compute02:34
wanghaolitao__: emm, sure02:34
zhenguook, maybe we shoult vote it during next meeting :D02:35
zhenguoor we can discuss this more later02:35
liushengwanghao: seems in OSC, there is little word with a "_"02:35
zhenguowe have many topics to discuss :D02:35
wanghaoliusheng: emm yes02:35
litao__zhenguo:yes02:35
zhenguolet's move on?02:35
wanghaookay02:35
zhenguodo we still have 'review hour'?02:36
zhenguoseems it's silently disappeared :D02:36
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zhenguohere I want to emphasize the importance of 'reviews', we can't move along without 'reviews'.02:37
liushengsigh, cannot ensure eveyboday are available at that period02:37
zhenguoyes, but I would like everybody have a own 'review hour'02:37
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zhenguoat least for cores, we should make an hour for reviewing everyday02:38
liushengyes, sure02:38
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zhenguoand we will add or remove core reviewers mostly based on that02:39
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zhenguopatches are always lack of review in openstack, but we can improve it in mogan, as we are all in the same time zone now02:39
zhenguoso please feel free to ping others for reviewing if needed02:40
zhenguoContribution into mogan for the last 30 days02:40
zhenguo#link http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/mogan/3002:40
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zhenguo#link http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/mogan/9002:41
zhenguook, thanks everyone for the contribution02:42
zhenguonot much of announcement, anyone else have a thing here?02:42
litao__zhenguo: should we discuss how to define the adoption API?02:42
zhenguolitao__: in the next topic :D02:42
zhenguo#topic task tracking02:43
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litao__zhenguo: OK02:43
zhenguo#links https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MoganWhiteBoard02:43
zhenguolooks like things are moving along nicely02:43
zhenguoseems most codes are done02:44
zhenguowhen reviewing, please also take specs and client patches into account :D02:45
zhenguofor adoping running servers, seems the API pattern is not very good02:46
litao__zhenguo: yes02:46
zhenguolitao__, wanghao: I find cinder add a new URI /manageable_volumes02:46
zhenguoand GET/POST it for listing and managing02:46
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liushenglitao__: do you have api-ref patch of adoption ?02:47
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zhenguoseems not yet02:47
litao__zhenguo: not recently02:48
zhenguoshaohe_feng: do you have some suggestion for the API defination02:48
litao__liusheng: I will commit a patch if we ensure the format02:48
zhenguoliusheng: it's something like POST /servers/adopt02:49
shaohe_fengzhenguo: which API? let me check02:49
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zhenguoshaohe_feng: the adopting running servers API02:49
liushengzhenguo: got it.02:49
zhenguoshaohe_feng: we need to list adoptable/manageable servers02:49
litao__shaohe_feng: Currently ,I using POST v1/servers/adopt02:49
zhenguoshaohe_feng: then an API to adopt/manage it02:50
liushengzhenguo, litao__ wanghao how about add new resource and a new controller02:50
zhenguoliusheng: yes, tha't what I suggested02:50
zhenguoliusheng: it's like what cinder does02:50
shaohe_fengzhenguo: list why use POST?02:50
zhenguoshaohe_feng: that's adopt, we have two APi02:51
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liushengzhenguo: we can list/post with the adoptable servers, not sure if we can support other methods, like delete02:51
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zhenguoliusheng: seems we can02:52
zhenguoliusheng: unmanage servers02:52
shaohe_fengzhenguo: adopt is the status of servers?02:52
zhenguoshaohe_feng: no02:52
litao__zhenguo: Maybe we will add other actions like delete later02:52
zhenguoshaohe_feng: just creat a new server from the running node02:52
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litao__zhenguo: So we need a new resource02:52
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zhenguolitao__; yes02:53
shaohe_fengzhenguo: OK, let me see.02:53
liushenglitao__: yes, a new controller and resource with  POST/GET/DELETE methods02:53
zhenguoanother thing is whether adoptable and manageable is better02:53
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litao__Ironic uses adopt, so i think adoptable is better02:54
litao__zhenguo:02:54
zhenguolitao__: cinder use manage unmanage02:54
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zhenguolitao__: maybe that's more generiic?02:55
zhenguoand for unmanage, seems there's not a 'unadopt'02:56
litao__zhenguo: you mean manage and unmanage?02:56
zhenguolitao__: yes02:56
liushengthere is not much time left :)02:56
zhenguohow time flies..02:56
litao__zhenguo: yes,02:56
zhenguook, we can continue this disucssion later, but I prefer manage than adopt02:57
litao__zhenguo: Ok02:57
shaohe_fengno antonym for adopt :)02:57
zhenguoshaohe_feng: hah, and manage seems more generic02:58
litao__zhenguo: If others have no idea, we use manage currently02:58
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zhenguolitao__: ok, and need to upadte the specs02:58
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zhenguoshaohe_feng, liusheng: wdyt?02:58
liushengzhenguo: yes, I also prefer manage02:59
litao__OK, that's all02:59
zhenguook, then add a patch to update the spec, then we can discuss more there02:59
zhenguoit's almost time02:59
zhenguothanks all for joining the meeting!03:00
zhenguo#endmeeting03:00
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shaohe_fengliusheng: seem manage is more better.03:01
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ianychoiHello - anyone for I18n meeting today?13:00
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genekianychoi: I'm in13:00
eumel8hello!13:00
ianychoiHello genek and eumel8 !13:01
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ianychoiOkay. Let's start13:01
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eumel8hello ianychoi & genek13:02
ianychoi#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting13:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug  3 13:02:15 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting'13:02
ianychoi#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/I18nTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting13:02
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ianychoiThere are many topic today to be discussed... Hopefully all are well discussed13:02
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ianychoi#topic Open reviews13:03
ianychoi and bugs13:03
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ianychoi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/i18n+status:open13:03
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ianychoieumel8, would u review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489021/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489923/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/488225/ ? :)13:04
eumel8I can try13:04
ianychoiThank u :)13:05
eumel8but a lots of bugs are language related13:05
ianychoiYep.. I told Korean glossary things to ujuc - Korean language coordinator13:05
ianychoi#topic open bugs13:06
eumel8the same for russia and china team13:06
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ianychoi#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n13:06
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ianychoiYep..13:06
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ianychoiMaybe we can ask to Chinese and Russian language coordinators?13:08
eumel8I think so.13:08
ianychoiBut I don't know what to do for them. Do you have some idea on that?13:08
genekI can help marking for the Chinese one13:09
ianychoiOne idea is to set "Won't fix" if no language translators are interested13:09
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ianychoigenek, oh it would be so great! :)13:09
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eumel8status: fix commited: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+bug/151697913:10
openstackLaunchpad bug 1516979 in openstack i18n "the chinese translation for "up" is not suitable" [Low,Fix committed] - Assigned to Alex Eng (loones1595)13:10
eumel8maybe it's already fixed and the ticket not closed13:10
eumel8we need a deeper review first and then contact language coordinator13:11
ianychoiOkay. For this, I will see it13:11
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ianychoigenek, Chinese bugs (simplified-chinese) are: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+bugs?field.tag=simplified-chinese13:12
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genekianychoi: I just comfirmed two, both of them are translation errors13:14
ianychoigenek, thank u :)13:14
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eumel8is there an option for "won't fix" in launchpad?13:15
ianychoiYep13:15
eumel8the first ticket is from Ilya himself: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+bug/155677213:15
openstackLaunchpad bug 1556772 in openstack i18n "Wrong plural formula for russian" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Ying Chun Guo (daisy-ycguo)13:15
eumel8because thats very old13:15
ianychoieumel8, what is your launchpad ID? Maybe I need to ask Daisy to add you in "OpenStack I18n Core Team"13:16
eumel8f-kloeker13:17
eumel8it's autogenerated13:17
ianychoiI changed https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+bug/1586041 status to fix released13:18
openstackLaunchpad bug 1586041 in openstack i18n "Incorrect PO-Revision-Date in some translation files for aodh project" [High,Fix released]13:18
ianychoi#topic Open blueprints13:20
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eumel8we have blueprints? ;)13:20
ianychoiYep13:20
ianychoi#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n13:20
ianychoiIt seems that amotoki is now offline but he has been implementing https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+spec/python35-support13:21
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ianychoiamotoki mentioned:"scripts to be tested need to be moved to python importable place, but there is another discussion on which repository we should have such tools. Thus ATM this work cannot be moved forward"13:22
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ianychoiI do not remember the exact date, but me and amotoki discussed that openstack/i18n repository will be used13:22
ianychoiFor https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+spec/translation-glossary , actually I don't know about it too much13:23
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genekMaybe we should contace the assignee13:24
eumel8maybe, it's done?13:24
genekThat one is pretty old though13:24
eumel8I saw something in the I18n guide about glossar sync13:24
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ianychoieumel8, currently glossary sync is done manually by PTL13:24
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eumel8ianychoi: yes, that's exactly what I translated :-))13:25
ianychoieumel8, :)13:25
eumel8the tool creation is in progress13:26
eumel8who is creating the tool?13:26
genekthe assignee is Ying Chun Guo13:26
genekNot sure if he's still working on this13:27
ianychoigenek, she is unfortunately inactive now.13:27
eumel8kato-san13:27
eumel8but it's 201513:27
ianychoiHe is also inactive now13:27
eumel8not all time ;)13:27
genekianychoi: Are we going to write the tool or leave it as manual process?13:28
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eumel8writing the tool could be a target for the next cycle13:28
ianychoigenek, surely, we want to create an automatic process :)13:28
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ianychoieumel8, yep assuming that Zanata supports it - From my investigation several months ago, it seems that one more Zanata upgrade might be needed to sync glossary using zanata-cli13:29
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ianychoiToday, for blueprints and bugs, we discussed the current status13:30
ianychoiand we did some bug triages13:31
eumel8ianychoi: ok, I will take a look in the new zanata version13:31
ianychoiI don't want to exactly assign to some members but we can continually see and change the status13:31
eumel8that blueprint is very hard: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+spec/enable-i18n-test13:31
ianychoieumel8, it will be so nice if the presenters https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/vote-for-speakers#/19239 will implement that13:32
ianychoi#topic Translation priority discussion13:33
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eumel8damned, already voted for ;)13:33
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ianychoi#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2017-August/002997.html13:33
eumel8but thanks for the note, ianychoi13:33
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amotokihi, just got home13:34
ianychoiMotoki-san proposed to add "neutron-fwaas-dashboard" How do you think about it, eumel8 and genek ?13:34
eumel8hi amotoki, hard working man :)13:34
genekhi amotoki13:34
ianychoiamotoki, hi :)13:35
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eumel8ianychoi: prio for that, of course!13:35
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amotokii think the burden for translation is especially low. we can copy almost all strings13:37
ianychoiFor me, I am okay to add to "newtron-fwaas-dashboard", and I thought that it would be great if 1) a proposal is shared (e.g., mailing list or IRC) and 2) the proposal is discussed in I18n team (e.g., now - IRC meeting or offline meeting such as PTG and Forum)13:37
eumel8I think neutron-fwaas-dashboard is become a very popular feature. So we have an eye on it13:38
ianychoiamotoki, maybe later I want to learn how to well use add translations manually using msgmerge :)13:38
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genekagree with eumel813:39
amotokiianychoi: it is about vpnaas dashboard.13:39
eumel8how much is the neutron-vpnaas-dashboard ?13:39
eumel8I would spend some time for that13:39
amotokiit is unofficial project so we cannot use Zanata13:40
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ianychoiamotoki, yep but AFAIK currently the list of Zanata projects is being automatically controlled by openstack-infra. Unfortunately, infra team needs to do database changes for translate-dev.o.o - Maybe we can use Zanata for unofficial projects if you would like to sync manually?13:41
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eumel8amotoki: anyway, if you need support let me know13:41
amotokiianychoi: I am not sure unofficial projects can use translate.o.o.13:42
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amotokiproject-config change for translation was rejected. this is the current infra policy I think13:43
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ianychoiamotoki, I meant translate-dev.o.o if you want to test some sync manually13:44
amotokiianychoi: i see.13:45
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amotokiI am okay with either way. it depends on requests from language teams (other than ja).13:46
ianychoiamotoki, and I understand current status. From my view of points, unofficial projects can use Zanata if the projects have I18n cross project liaison and the liaison is active13:46
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ianychoiAnd to to that, I18n needs to submit a governance similar to "docs:follows-policy" tag: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445536/13:47
amotokiit seems project-config-cores have different policy13:47
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ianychoiSuch proposal of governance tag was one of my to-do lists during Pike cycle but it failed13:48
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ianychoiFor example, tripleo-ui release cycle is cycle-trailing and Doug Hellman said the project can be regarded as unofficial projects for release point of view13:48
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ianychoiI want to embrace all if there is a good communication bridge with I18n team.13:49
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amotokiat now I have no enough time to do more13:49
ianychoiamotoki, I see - not now, but I would like to submit a governance tag for the next cycle if eumel8 also agrees - it will take some time13:50
amotokiianychoi: but it is about official projects13:50
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amotokitripleo-ui itself is an official project though from governance POV, so i think the context is a bit different13:52
ianychoiamotoki, I think such policy can be extended to unofficial projects. Me and next PTL can communicate more. I got your point :)13:52
eumel8good13:52
ianychoiAlso, IMO some un-official projects might get more attention with I18n activities13:52
ianychoiI want to talk more with this point of view13:53
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ianychoi#topic Proposing a virtual sprint on Aug 15 01:00-09:00 UTC13:53
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ianychoi@ianychoi and @ujuc will do a sprint during Pycon 2017 Korea: https://www.pycon.kr/2017/program/sprint/9 (written in Korean)13:53
ianychoiOf course, I18n team is welcome on #openstack-sprint IRC channel.13:53
geneknice13:54
eumel8great, which topic?13:54
ianychoiI have two purposes - One is to find more people with i18n tooling (but it might talk more time with sprint) and the other is that https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VirtualSprints is not dead from I18n team :)13:54
eumel8because it's written in Korean :-))13:54
ianychoieumel8, yep in Korean - the aim of the sprint is to submit a Gerrit patch to openstack/i18n repository13:55
eumel8ok13:56
ianychoi#topic I18n core nomination13:56
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ianychoiAnyone recommended?13:56
ianychoiIf there is no more one to be recommented, I would like to nominate Robert Simai (German language coordinator) to an I18n core reviewer13:56
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eumel8ianychoi: if you want support for the v-sprint, let me know. If you handle this in Korea it's also okay.13:57
ianychoieumel8, yep I will announce the help in openstack-i18n mailing list13:57
genekianychoi: I think I can join the sprint13:57
eumel8+113:57
ianychoigenek, great :)13:57
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genekbut I need more info what we're goint to work on during the sprint13:57
amotokii think it is not limited to i18n repo. it is nice if it is related to i18n :(13:57
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ianychoigenek, I will more describe in the mailing list :)13:58
genekianychoi: thanks :_13:58
genek:)13:58
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eumel8vote for rsimai, if he has time13:58
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ianychoiamotoki, your thoughts for rsimai?13:59
ianychoi#topic Regarding Docs migration13:59
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ianychoi"gate-openstack-manuals-tox-doc-publish-checklang" is now available13:59
amotokii have no enough information on him, so i believe you all13:59
ianychoi#topic Interim translation check site13:59
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ianychoi#link https://i18n.external.otc.telekomcloud.com/13:59
eumel8yes, the interim check site is online with the latest osa version. I can promote this also in ml.13:59
genekWhat's the login username and password?13:59
ianychoiThanks a lot, eumel8!13:59
genekadmin & ?14:00
ianychoiFor open discussions, let's continue on #openstack-i18n IRC channel14:00
ianychoiThank you eumel8 genek and amotoki14:00
eumel8ok14:00
ianychoi#endmeeting14:00
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eumel8thx all14:00
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amotokithanks all14:00
genekthanks :)14:00
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andreaf#startmeeting qa17:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug  3 17:01:24 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is andreaf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:01
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andreafHello who's here for the meeting today?17:02
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andreaf#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_August_3rd_2017_.281700_UTC.29 Today's agenda17:03
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andreafwelcome everyone17:03
andreaflet's start17:04
andreaf#topic Previous Meeting Action review17:04
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andreaf#action gmann to send ML for upcoming removal of deprecated interfaces and its affect on stable branches17:04
andreafThis one an action from past week - still tbd I think ^^^17:05
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andreaf#topic PTG17:05
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andreaf#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-queens-ptg17:05
andreafFor the PTG day 3 to 5 I asked for a room for 10 to 12 people17:06
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andreafbut it would be good to be able to know roughly who's going to be there, so if you will or perhaps will please add your name to the etherpad17:06
andreafAlso please add proposals for discussion to the etherpad so that we may come up with a plan / schedule17:07
andreafit's best to have that so we can try to avoid conflicts as much as possible17:08
andreafthe earlier the ideas for discussion the better we can prepare for them as well :)17:08
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andreafone last thing, for the first two days we need volunteers to run the help hours and/or help out with the proposed sessions - so if you are available please add your name there17:09
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andreafso again we can try to make a schedule that avoid conflicts with SIG sessions in other rooms17:10
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andreafquestions / comments?17:10
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mtreinishsounds straightforward enough17:11
* mtreinish added some things to the etherpad17:11
andreafthanks17:11
andreafah yes stestr is a good one :)17:12
andreafok moving on17:13
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andreaf#topic Gate stability17:13
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andreafNothing special to report on my side17:13
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andreaf#topic Specs Reviews17:14
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andreaf#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z17:14
mtreinishandreaf: well I was going to point out our low classification rate: http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/data/integrated_gate.html17:14
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mtreinishyou went to quickly on that topic...17:14
andreafmtreinish: eh sorry17:14
andreaf#undo17:15
openstackRemoving item from minutes: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z17:15
clarkbalso we just updated the method used to consume our pypi mirror (reverse proxy rather than webserver with "local" data from afs)17:15
andreaf#topic Specs Reviews17:15
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andreaf#topic Gate stability17:15
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andreafso maybe I get it right...17:15
clarkbso uh let us know if you see any weirdness related to installing packages in devstack-gate jobs17:16
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clarkb(I'm hoping it makes things more reliable and quicker though)17:16
andreafclarkb: ok will keep an eye on that17:16
andreafmtreinish: regarding the low classification rate I tried to get help with https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-gate-issue-categotisation but it was not very successful17:17
andreafperhaps I should lead the way spending some time on that myself17:18
mtreinishclarkb: I haven't seen anything noticeable on the pip side so far17:18
mtreinishwhich is probably a good sign17:18
mtreinishandreaf: heh, yeah lead the way :)17:19
andreafI also added a session proposal in the etherpad about monitoring the SUT overtime17:19
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andreaflike graphing the memory footprint of services, the total amount it takes for devstack and tests (that we do already) and perhaps other key indicators17:20
andreafso we can see changes that introduce a large deviation17:21
andreafand also we can monitor small changes over time17:21
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andreafit's a very rough idea so far I'll try to put down something more concrete, and get comments before the PTG17:21
andreafI think it could be a qa + infra effort17:22
clarkbmtreinish: ya and once e-r catches up we'll have good data on whether or not it is more reliable17:22
mtreinishandreaf: a historical graph across runs?17:22
mtreinishclarkb: heh, yeah. Assuming I can ever manage to push a patch to the worker without a syntax error :)17:22
andreafmtreinish: yes or at least a current value for rolling average to use as comparison with the current run17:23
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andreafok moving on17:25
andreaf#topic Spec Reviews17:25
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andreaffor real this time17:25
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andreafprobably open specs should be either discussed at the PTG or closed17:26
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andreafI want to do a spec  / bp cleanup before the PTG to make sure we have a good picture of what we want to work on in there17:26
andreaf#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z17:26
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andreafanything on specs?17:27
mtreinishandreaf: a spec cleanup? there are only 6 :)17:27
andreafmtreinish: heh ok17:28
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andreafmtreinish:  but we have many blueprints17:28
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andreafok moving on17:29
andreaf#topic Tempest17:29
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andreafmartinkopec: thanks for running bug triage this week17:30
andreafmartinkopec: anything to report?17:30
martinkopecandreaf, yes, I found few bugs|reviews which need a little attention17:31
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martinkopecI wrote them to the report17:31
martinkopec#link17:31
martinkopec#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-weekly-bug-report17:31
martinkopecthey are longer time unnoticed17:31
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andreafok, thanks for finding / pointing these out17:32
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martinkopecI just went through In progress bugs and checked If they are still valid .. so this is all from my side17:33
andreafthank you17:33
andreafanything else on tempest?17:33
mtreinishmartinkopec: cool, thanks. I saw a bunch of bug updates from you go by on my lp mail folder this morning17:33
mtreinishandreaf: I had one patch to discuss17:34
mtreinishone sec17:34
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mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/36441417:34
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mtreinishthat's been something that's been broken for >1 yr17:34
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mtreinishI'm trying to figure out how to make it move again17:35
andreafmtreinish: ok I haven't checked that patch in a long time17:35
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mtreinishit fell through the cracks when I wasn't working last fall17:36
andreafmtreinish: is it ready for review from your POV? I had some comments on PS#6 - I haven't check #9 I will do tomorrow17:36
mtreinishand I feel kinda bad, because we have a bunch of users who want the proxy support17:37
mtreinishwell it needs to be rebased again, but I think it's ready for review after I take care of that17:37
andreafmtreinish: ok sure we should be able to finish that work quickly - I'm not opposed to it at all17:38
andreafI only had a couple of technical issues to be fixed17:38
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andreafthanks for pointing that out17:39
andreafanything else on tempest?17:39
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andreafI'm still trying to get the work on stable clients.py finished17:39
andreafsorry I meant stable test.py17:40
andreafwhich requires clients.py as well17:40
andreafthere was good progress but still a few things missing17:40
andreaf#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484384 I would like opinions on this one17:40
* mtreinish still can't believe the cred providers are in lib17:41
mtreinishthat was like 2 years in the making17:41
andreafmtreinish: thanks for pushing that forward!17:41
andreafmtreinish: that warrants a success tag in IRC :)17:41
mtreinishandreaf: is there any advantage to doing that? It's not like initing a client object has any api traffic17:42
andreafmtreinish: the advantage is to expose hidden dependencies in tests to specific API versions or services which are not explicitly declared17:43
mtreinishhow so? it fails with an exception on calling the object vs failing on the wire for a non-existent api version17:44
mtreinishit fails in both cases17:44
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andreafmtreinish: if we just change tempest configuration we can find such cases, even if the version is actually running17:45
mtreinishheh, personally that seems like a pretty far out edge case. But we can discuss it more after the meeting17:46
andreafmtreinish: but I see your point, it's not a strong need for that17:46
andreafmtreinish: in the past we had the glance client doing API calls at __init__ time but we fixed that long time ago17:47
mtreinishyeah, that was a really long time ago. We fixed that as part of making tempest import safe for discovery17:47
mtreinishmust be like 4 yrs ago now17:47
* mtreinish can't believe its been that long17:48
andreafheh17:48
andreafthe other bit I need to make stable is validation_resources17:48
andreafbut I would like to avouid refactoring that - I think simply removing dependencies from CONF should be enough17:48
mtreinishif it has unit tests and docs, that's probably fine then17:49
andreafI will prepare the patch - hopefully there are no strong objections to that17:49
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andreafmtreinish: yeah I know the unit tests are probably missing I'll see what I can do17:49
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andreafok time is running out17:50
andreafnext topic?17:50
andreaf#topic Patrole17:50
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andreafanything to be discussed on patrole?17:50
andreaf3...17:51
andreaf2..17:51
andreaf1.17:51
andreaf#topic Critical Reviews17:51
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andreafAny review that requires urgent attention?17:51
andreafbeside what discussed already?17:51
andreafok I guess not17:52
andreaf#topic Open Discussion17:52
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andreafok. thanks everyone for joining the meeting today17:54
andreaf#endmeeting17:54
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mriedem#startmeeting nova21:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug  3 21:00:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'21:00
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mriedem#link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting21:01
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mriedemok let's get started21:01
mriedem#topic release news21:01
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mriedem#link Pike release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Pike_Release_Schedule21:01
mriedem#info August 10 (1 week) is Pike RC121:01
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mriedem#info Blueprints: 53 targeted, 53 approved, 46 completed (+13 from last week)21:01
mriedem^ the number completed is actually more since i haven't closed out the multi-release things, like api-ref in rst, and config option cleanup21:02
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mriedembut with no more FFEs I don't expect anything besides those to be news21:02
mriedem#link Pike RC1 TODO etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-pike-release-candidate-todo21:02
mriedem^ is me trying to focus what's going on for the RC121:02
mriedemany questions about the release?21:03
mriedem#topic bugs21:03
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mriedemthere are no critical bugs21:03
mriedem#info 0 new untriaged bugs (down 59 from last week - thanks sdague)21:03
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mriedem#info pike-rc-potential bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=pike-rc-potential21:03
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mriedemthere is only one rc potential bug that hasn't been started yet21:04
mriedemand that's handling shared storage in the compute21:04
mriedemcompute/report client21:04
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mriedemi'm not sure if jaypipes or dansmith have talked about it21:04
dansmithugh21:04
dansmithlet's talk about that when we unfsck the current stuff21:04
mriedemi suppose the first step is a regression test for creating a server with a shared storage provider between compute nodes and asserting what we expect21:04
mriedemyup21:04
mriedemi can work the test in parallel21:04
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mriedemalthough what we expect isn't entirely clear to me yet, but we'll get there21:05
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mriedemgate status is pretty good21:05
mriedemno news there21:05
mriedemsame for 3rd party ci21:05
mriedemanything for bugs?21:05
mriedem#topic reminders21:05
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mriedem#link Consider signing up for the Queens PTG which is the week of September 11 in Denver, CO, USA: https://www.openstack.org/ptg21:06
mriedem#link Pike PTG topics etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-queens21:06
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mriedem^ is starting to fill up21:06
mriedemit's all very random right now21:06
mriedemwe'll sort it out after the pike stuff settles down21:06
mriedemhaving 5 days seems like it will be a luxury compared to the forum21:06
mriedem#info PTL nominations for Queens are open (July 31 - Aug 9): https://governance.openstack.org/election/21:07
mriedemanything for reminders?21:07
mriedem#topic stable branch status21:07
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mriedemwe've got a bunch of open ocata and newton changes,21:07
mriedemas i said last week, i think we'll do a review push on those after pike rc1 probably21:08
mriedemor around that time21:08
mriedemso we can do some stable point releases after pike rc21:08
mriedem*rc121:08
mriedem#topic subteam highlights21:08
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mriedemthere was no cells v2 meeting this week21:08
mriedembut there are some nice new multi-cell docs21:08
mriedem#link new multi-cell v2 docs https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/user/cellsv2_layout.html21:09
mriedemdansmith: anything else you want to say about cells v2?21:09
dansmithnothing nice, no21:09
mriedemalright then21:09
mriedemedleafe: around for scheduler?21:09
edleafeMost of the meeting was discussing the issues we've been fighting with migration/resizing. So has most of the rest of the week.21:09
edleafeI've been going back and forth with the ironic folks regarding the flavor migration code. Seems like there's always one more case that needs to be covered. :)21:09
edleafeNote that the amended spec for ironic instance flavor migration has not yet been approved21:09
edleafe#link Amend spec for Custom Resource Classes in Flavors https://review.openstack.org/#/c/481748/21:09
edleafeEOM21:09
dansmithmriedem: landing that is just paperwork right?21:10
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mriedemthe spec amendment?21:10
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mriedemyeah21:10
dansmithyes21:10
dansmithokay21:10
dansmithmriedem: you haven't +2d just because it's not a priority right?21:10
dansmithlike, I should +221:10
mriedemi'd also like to see jaypipes' request candidates spec cleaned up and approved at some point for similar reasons - docs more than anything21:10
mriedemdansmith: i wrote it21:10
mriedemi can't approve it21:10
dansmithoh hah21:10
dansmiththought it was ed21:10
mriedemapi - i don't know if there was a meeting this week21:11
mriedemsdague: ?21:11
edleafenot me21:11
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mriedemonly thing left for api is some docs for the new route map stuff21:11
mriedemthat gmann is working on21:11
mriedemthere as no notification meeting this week21:11
mriedemthere was a short cinder meeting today,21:11
mriedemapparently cinder-api with uwsgi broke the version discovery code in cinderclient, similar to what happened with nova-api + uwsgi in novaclient21:12
mriedemso they are working a fix and will just have to backport,21:12
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mriedemsince the new cinder api integration didn't land in nova in pike it's not a huge impact to us anyway21:12
mriedemildikov has been working on chasing some issues in the api integration patch which we can hopefully land early in queens, before the ptg21:12
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mriedem#topic stuck reviews21:13
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mriedemnothing in the agenda21:13
mriedemdoes anyone need to bring something up here?21:13
mriedem#topic open discussion21:13
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mriedemnothing on the agenda21:13
mriedemanyone need to say something?21:13
dansmithshortest meeting evar?21:14
jangutterI've got a stupid question.21:14
dansmithjangutter: damn you!21:14
jangutteradding/removing sr-iov ports.21:14
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mriedemwe've had shorter21:14
jangutterAnyone looked at it lately?21:14
mriedemjangutter: no,21:14
mriedemthere was/is a spec somewhere21:14
jangutterYep, it's archealogical.21:14
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jangutterhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/139910/21:14
jangutterSo, I guess the correct way to approach it is to propose it for queens?21:15
mriedemyup that's the one i was thinking of21:15
mriedemyeah21:15
jangutterI guess if it was low-hanging fruit, someone would've done it by now :-p21:15
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jangutterAnyway, thanks, just wanted to know if someone was messing around in that neighborhood.21:16
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mriedemi don't know if anyone else is working on something like this21:16
mriedembut it's nfv so probably21:16
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mriedemanything else?21:17
mriedemalright thanks everyone21:17
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mriedem#endmeeting21:17
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kevinbentonhello!22:02
mlavalleo/22:02
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kevinbenton#startmeeting neutron_drivers22:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug  3 22:02:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is kevinbenton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.22:02
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annphi22:02
kevinbentonamotoki: ping22:02
* armax lurke22:02
kevinbentonlet's go over the FFE's that were sent to the mailing list22:03
kevinbenton#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/120310.html22:04
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kevinbentonI've looked at the code for this one and I think it's non-invasive enough to merge22:05
ihrachysit misses the agent bit that we just discussed in #openstack-neutron though22:05
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ihrachysI should be able to make it to life tomorrow22:06
mlavalleihrachys mentioned in the patchset he was going to 'look at agent behavior'22:06
mlavalleak, ok that was my answer22:06
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yamamotoit has no effect for out of tree drivers? (i haven't looked at the patch yet)22:06
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ihrachysyour driver will be notified with NETWORK_UPDATE, and then it's up to you to propagate it22:07
kevinbentonthe out of tree driver needs to handle the case where the MTU changes22:07
ihrachysdo we need some conditional to avoid loading the extension if a driver doesn't claim support?22:08
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ihrachysI thought we don't do that for other features introduced on plugin level22:08
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yamamotoi have vague concern to add things like it this late as it gives no chance for drivers to adapt.22:08
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kevinbentonyamamoto: if the driver can't handle the change you could simply have it throw an exception22:09
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ihrachyskevinbenton, in all honestly, it would still require a patch from their side22:09
kevinbentontrue22:10
yamamotook. anyway those kind of concerns can be handled in review, rather than FFE decision22:10
kevinbentonbut what do drivers do now when the operator changes the MTU configuration and restarts the server?22:10
ihrachysI think nothing. we actually don't notify anyone atm.22:10
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kevinbentonI guess the difference is operator-induced vs regular user API call22:10
ihrachysthe only way to apply new values is to restart agents22:10
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kevinbentonok, well let's figure out if we need an explicit opt-in in the review as yamamoto suggested22:11
kevinbentonis everyone okay with granting an FFE otherwise?22:11
mlavalle+22:11
ihrachysI am biased, no vote :)22:12
kevinbentonarmax: even though you are lurking, can you give + or - ?22:12
kevinbentonfor MTU patch from Ihar?22:12
amotokisorry for late22:13
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kevinbentonamotoki: no problem22:13
kevinbentonamotoki: we are just now discussing an FFE for the MTU patch22:13
kevinbentonamotoki: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/120310.html22:13
amotokiI am okay with that one at a quick look22:14
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kevinbentonok, i'll assume that one is granted then and reply on the email at the end of the meeting22:14
ihrachysthanks folks, I will try to deliver missing bit asap22:15
kevinbentonnext up is the security group logging one #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/120344.html22:15
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kevinbentonso there is a fair amount of this left that needs to merge22:15
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kevinbentonbut from what I can tell most of it is isolated and won't interfere unless the service plugin is actually enabeld22:16
ihrachyshave we landed some pieces of it already?22:16
kevinbentonI think the most invasive component is probably the integration into OVSFW22:16
kevinbentonhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/468281/22:16
kevinbentonihrachys: yeah, I think basic extension definitions landed22:17
mlavallesome patchsets are still failing Jenkins. Are these failures due to the patchsets?22:17
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kevinbentonmlavalle: not sure22:18
yushiroannp, you fixed it, did you?22:18
annpyes. failed not related22:18
mlavalleall of them? there are several pacthes failing22:18
kevinbentonannp: is my understanding correct that this is basically the only patch that impacts existing code if the logging plugin is not enabled? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468281/2422:19
annpyes, all of them.22:19
mlavallethanks annp22:19
annpkevinbenton, yes. i think22:21
amotokimy understanding is same. the existing mechanism driver registers a logging driver22:21
kevinbentonyamamoto: you have been reviewing that patch. how risky do you think it is to add this late?22:21
kevinbentonMy opinion is that even though there is a fair amount left to merge, most of it proposes no risk to the stability of the code except for this one patch22:23
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yamamotokevinbenton: i agree22:23
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kevinbentonSo I'm okay with an FFE and to proceed with a best effort to get it merged if that OVSFW patch is not too invasive22:24
yamamotowhen is the deadline for merging, after an FFE is granted?22:24
kevinbentonRC122:25
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amotokiRC1 is next week right?22:25
kevinbentonAug 11th is last day to cut RC-122:25
kevinbentonhttps://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html22:25
ihrachysI am fine with the proposal if it doesn't destabilize gate, f.e. scenario job, even more than it is right now. the number of patches (and their size) makes me pessimistic that we can land it all though.22:25
mlavallenext week22:25
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yushirokevinbenton, yamamoto Thank you.  We'll do our best.  I understand 11th Aug.22:26
ihrachysif you folks believe that you can spin on all those patches and get it all in, then go for it.22:26
yamamotoi'm pessimistic too but i see no problem to let it try.22:26
kevinbentonyushiro: actually we better target Aug 1122:26
kevinbentonaug 10!22:26
kevinbentonsorry22:26
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ihrachysyamamoto, one question is, is there a problem if we land parts only22:26
yushiroaha, sorry.  I see  10th.22:26
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kevinbentoni know the release team doesn't like to release on Friday only22:26
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kevinbentonso Thursday the 10th would be best22:26
ihrachysI guess it's not enabled anywhere unless the driver is on?22:26
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kevinbentonihrachys: right, it's my understanding that we would have the service plugin but no drivers that support it22:27
ihrachysif we fail to deliver, we can add a releasenote saying it's not ready/experimental22:27
kevinbentonihrachys: +122:27
amotoki+122:27
amotokiwe need to test it carefully with this patch but without enabling the feature too.22:27
mlavalle+22:27
amotokiit looks safe so far though22:27
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kevinbentonannp: is there a way to arrange the patches so the OVSFW changes can be merged first?22:28
kevinbentonso we can get that tested right away?22:28
kevinbentonor does it depend too much on the parent patches?22:28
annpit depend on parent patches22:29
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kevinbentonack22:29
mlavalleif rearraging the order is too disruptive, let's keep it this way22:29
kevinbenton+122:29
kevinbentonok, let's grant the FFE and see where we are next thursday22:29
amotokinote that we don't have CLI part in pike even if it is merged, right?22:30
kevinbentonright, since we're past the client deadline22:30
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kevinbentonwe would have to wait for next client release22:31
amotokiyes22:31
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yushiroamotoki, kevinbenton Oh, OK.22:31
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mlavalleno need to spend time on that22:31
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kevinbentonso this will definitely be experimental in that it will require a newer client or direct HTTP API usage22:31
amotoki+1 :)22:32
kevinbentonok, next up is networking-midonet22:32
kevinbenton#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/120381.html22:32
kevinbentonThis is just to remove a deprecated plugin22:32
yushirothank you22:32
yamamotoi guess it's a pretty safe change.22:32
kevinbentonI think it's fine22:32
kevinbentonyamamoto: no risk to the Ml2 driver, right?22:33
kevinbentonor the l3 plugin22:33
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yamamotoright22:33
ihrachysfirst, I am glad that midonet reached out. second, I think it's fine and a no-brainer.22:34
mlavalleas far as I can see, it's all local to the midonet repo22:34
kevinbentonmlavalle: yep22:34
kevinbentonok, this is good to go22:34
mlavalleas a wiseman said, it's a no brainer22:34
amotokilooks fine22:34
kevinbentonnext up is dns_domain22:34
kevinbenton#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/120430.html22:34
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kevinbentoni just reviewed the last patch in the series and it looks pretty good22:35
mlavalleamotoki saw it last night, what do you think?22:35
amotokiit is in good shape22:36
kevinbentonihrachys: any concerns on your end?22:36
amotokimlavalle: is there any func test coverage on this?22:37
mlavalleno22:37
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kevinbentonwe don't have any gate jobs that run designate do we?22:38
mlavalleno we don't22:38
amotokias far as looking at the code, the existing behavior is kept. we at least need not to break the existing feature22:38
ihrachysmlavalle, do they have any in their gate?22:38
ihrachysis the existing feature covered fine with tempest api?22:39
mlavallenone that test the integration with designate22:39
ihrachysI don't see any tempest tests22:39
mlavallewe don't have tempest tests22:39
ihrachysisn't it a must?..22:39
kevinbentonyeah, you need to have a driver loaded to be able to set these attributes22:39
ihrachyswe add a new api feature; I would expect some tempest tests for that, no?22:39
kevinbentonso unless we depend on designate I think we're stuck, is that right mlavalle?22:40
mlavalleyes22:40
ihrachysoh we can't enable the driver without designate?22:40
ihrachysI mean, it's fine if it fails to update it, but just api operations, won't they work?22:40
kevinbentonwhat happens if you enable the designate driver and don't have designate?22:41
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mlavallethe api operations on ports and floating ips work without designate22:41
mlavalleso we can do tempest api tests22:41
kevinbentonmlavalle: ok. can you add a parent patch that tests existing API behavior?22:41
ihrachysyeah, that would be great, a parent change22:42
ihrachysand then the new one extends it to ports22:42
kevinbentonthat will give us some more confidence that the small refactors required didn't leave something else22:42
yamamotocan't we have a non-voting job with designate?22:42
mlavallesure, will do22:42
kevinbentonor maybe we can add designate to our scenario job?22:42
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ihrachyswe won't do it in next week22:43
mlavalleagree with ihrachys22:43
kevinbentonok, so I think we're okay with an FFE for this one as well then as long as we get some basic API tests to help us ensure some basic sanity22:43
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amotokifor unit test, can we split new unit test coverage into a parent patch? we can be more confident on the existing driver behavior.22:44
amotoki*child patch*22:44
mlavalleamotoki: but the unit tests for the previous functionality wasn't touched22:44
mlavalleother that re-arranging somo args22:45
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kevinbentonmlavalle: maybe put the test refactors into a parent patch?22:46
kevinbentonamotoki: is that what you mean?22:46
amotokithere is some re-arranging. i just want to be conservative22:46
kevinbentonthat way parent patch is tests pass with existing DNS code22:46
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amotokikevinbenton: yes22:47
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kevinbentonmlavalle: does that make sense?22:47
mlavallekevinbenton: I'll give it a try22:48
kevinbentonmlavalle: ok, thanks22:48
amotokimlavalle: thanks22:48
kevinbentonDid I miss any other FFEs?22:48
kevinbentonI think that was all I saw in the list22:48
mlavalledidn't swami send this morning a couple of requests?22:48
kevinbentonoh, i missed them22:49
mlavallefor dvr22:49
yamamotoyushiro: there was no FFE requests from fwaas?22:49
mlavallekevinbenton: let me make sure he sent the emails22:49
kevinbentonmlavalle: ctrl-f for Swami doesn't show anything on http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/thread.html22:49
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yushiroyamamoto, I have FFE for fwaas v222:50
mlavallekevinbenton: I just pinged hiom22:50
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kevinbentonyushiro: do you have a link to an email?22:50
kevinbentonyushiro: or do you just want to describe the request here22:51
mlavallekevinbenton: here's one that he wanted a FFE for: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437986/22:51
yushirokevinbenton, sorry I didn't send e-mail to ML but22:51
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Swamihi22:51
yushirokevinbenton, it is necessary to merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323971/  and their parent patch ( 3 patches)22:52
yushirokevinbenton, In addition, fwaas-dashboard also needs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475840/22:53
ihrachysyushiro, why does it add an 'ocata' alembic script?22:53
Swamikevinbenton: Yes I need a FFE for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437986/22:53
kevinbentonok, DVR one first really quick. I've reviewed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437986/ a few times already and the new code paths are primarily untouched unless someone is using the new feature22:54
yushiroihrachys, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425769/  ? oops, this is my mistake.  I'll update it 'pike'22:54
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kevinbentonhaleyb: has been reviewing it as well and I think it should be safe to merge soon22:55
Swamikevinbenton: thanks22:55
kevinbentonmlavalle, ihrachys, amotoki: if you could review that patch briefly and just reply if you are concerned about merging it on the patch that would be good22:55
mlavallekevinbenton I have also reviewed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437986/ and think is in good dhape22:56
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kevinbentonok, so for FWaaS22:56
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yushiroyes22:56
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kevinbentonthis https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323971/22:57
kevinbentonlooks like a new extension so it shouldn't impact the old code, right?22:57
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yushirokevinbenton, yes.22:58
yamamotocan you remind me the status of fwaas v2?  is it still experimental?22:59
kevinbenton+1, it's still considered experimental, right?22:59
ihrachystime23:00
yushiromaybe yes.23:00
kevinbentonok23:00
kevinbentonI think it's fine if the rest of the FWaaS team is okay with it since it looks to be unrelated to old fwaas code23:00
yamamoto+123:01
kevinbenton#endmeeting23:01
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kevinbentonyushiro: I suggest sending an email23:01
yushirothanks kevinbenton23:01
kevinbentonyushiro: just so more people can see it and reply if they have concerns23:01
yushirokevinbenton, oh, sorry.  Please consider fwaas-dashboard :)23:01
yushiroas well23:01
yushirokevinbenton, thank you so much23:01
ihrachyskevinbenton, you are generous today lol23:02
kevinbentonyushiro: put all of the patches in the email and i will be sure to review23:02
ihrachysno denials!23:02
kevinbentonihrachys: yeah, mostly uninvasive stuff23:02
kevinbentonihrachys: you should have requested full switch to OVO by end of cycle23:02
kevinbentonihrachys: so i would have something to turn down :)23:02
mlavallekevinbenton, ihrachys LOL23:02
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