| ekcs | time for congress meeting. thinrichs masahito | 00:01 |
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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 00:01 |
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| ekcs | Hi all! | 00:02 |
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| ekcs | hope everyone's having a great week. | 00:02 |
| ekcs | list of topics are here as usual. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 00:02 |
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| thinrichs | Hi all. Sorry I'm late | 00:08 |
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| ekcs | hi thinrichs ! | 00:09 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: hi | 00:10 |
| ekcs | no one else has joined, so it may be just you and me today. ramineni let me know she won't be joining today. | 00:10 |
| thinrichs | ok | 00:11 |
| ekcs | anyway I don't have much to day other than just announcements about the policy library tasks and policy UI sketch I sent out over ML and seeing if there is any questions/comments/discussion. | 00:12 |
| thinrichs | I don't have much either. We could look through the UI sketch. I haven't done that yet | 00:13 |
| ekcs | but if it's just you and me we could talk about whatever makes sense and call it a meeting. | 00:13 |
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| ekcs | ok. | 00:13 |
| ekcs | #topic policy monitoring UI | 00:13 |
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| ekcs | #link https://wireframepro.mockflow.com/view/congress-policy-monitor | 00:13 |
| ekcs | based on some of the discussion at PTG, the minimal thing to display on the main panel would be 1. number of policies violated. and 2. some info about the violations | 00:15 |
| ekcs | So I put those up. and each of the violated policies would be a link to the policy page that already exists, modified to include a section that shows the violation table. see "per policy page" on mockflow | 00:16 |
| ekcs | In addition to this most basic panel, other things that have been suggested are: | 00:17 |
| ekcs | - show violations that have been resolved by remediation. | 00:17 |
| ekcs | - show which data sources are involved in causing each policy violation | 00:17 |
| ekcs | - show a count of how "big" the violation is perhaps by number of tuples in the violation table. | 00:18 |
| thinrichs | The per-policy page makes sense | 00:19 |
| thinrichs | I feel like we want more info on the main page | 00:19 |
| ekcs | great any thoughts on what more info to give? | 00:20 |
| thinrichs | We'd need to add a log somewhere to show violations resolved by remediation | 00:20 |
| thinrichs | datasources involved is info we have | 00:20 |
| thinrichs | The count of violations for each policy makes sense | 00:20 |
| thinrichs | Maybe in that row | 00:21 |
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| thinrichs | If we had multiple severities of violations, we could display those too. error(), warning(), etc. | 00:21 |
| ekcs | hmm interesting. | 00:22 |
| thinrichs | I wonder if having each violation on that front-page would be valuable. Maybe we could hide them until the user clicks on something | 00:22 |
| ekcs | set aside several different "violation tables" to indicate severity to the UI. | 00:22 |
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| ekcs | ok I updated it. how about something like this? | 00:25 |
| ekcs | with additional color coding based on presence of error/warning | 00:26 |
| ekcs | I didn't understand the last thing you said about whether to have each violation on that front page. by each violation do you mean each policy violated or each tuple in the violation table? | 00:26 |
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| masahito | hi! sorry, late... | 00:27 |
| thinrichs | each tuple | 00:27 |
| ekcs | hi masahito . we're talking about policy monitoring UI. | 00:27 |
| ekcs | https://wireframepro.mockflow.com/view/congress-policy-monitor | 00:27 |
| masahito | ekcs: got it. | 00:28 |
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| ekcs | thinrichs, maybe displaying the first 1-2 is helpful. | 00:28 |
| ekcs | but probably not more. | 00:28 |
| thinrichs | If I wanted to see any (of a given severity), I'd want to see them all (up to pagination requirements) | 00:30 |
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| thinrichs | So if we think showing all the errors isn't a good idea, I'd say we leave them as is. | 00:30 |
| ekcs | hmm ok. | 00:31 |
| ekcs | you mentioned data sources involved. I wanted to ask about the state of the "explanation" facility. | 00:32 |
| ekcs | at some point we can implement a general explanation UI that a user can drill down to see the data that feed into deriving each tuple. | 00:33 |
| ekcs | but I haven't looked at the code deeply to see how far or close we are from that. | 00:33 |
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| thinrichs | There's no UI. | 00:34 |
| thinrichs | It'll give you the trace | 00:34 |
| thinrichs | I think there's a —trace option from the CLI | 00:35 |
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| ekcs | ok so it's just UI work to query and display that, but the infrastructure is there. | 00:35 |
| ekcs | thanks. | 00:35 |
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| ekcs | how does it handle multiple derivations? | 00:36 |
| thinrichs | Redos | 00:37 |
| thinrichs | Call, Exit, Redo | 00:37 |
| ekcs | masahito, any thoughts on the UI sketches? feel free to jump in = ) | 00:37 |
| thinrichs | You'll want to look at the trace | 00:37 |
| thinrichs | I don't have one handy | 00:37 |
| thinrichs | Returns as text | 00:38 |
| ekcs | oh ok I get it. I've seen it before. | 00:38 |
| thinrichs | So to push into the UI, we'd need to change the output to produce <div> or the like | 00:38 |
| ekcs | do you see any major challenge to enabling user to click on any tuple to drill down into explanation? | 00:39 |
| masahito | ekcs: do you think users can customize violated tables except error and warning | 00:39 |
| ekcs | masahito, totally open to our design now. what would you suggest? | 00:39 |
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| ekcs | do you think deployers/ops need a customizable set of types of violations? or just need more than two but can use a fixed set? or these two are enough? | 00:40 |
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| masahito | I thinkg table names which users want to see in main panel are different depending on the user's demands. | 00:40 |
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| ekcs | got it. is to more about the name or about the levels? | 00:42 |
| masahito | the example policies represents 'errors' status of the cloud. | 00:42 |
| masahito | it's more about name. | 00:42 |
| ekcs | I see so you're thinking about having existing policy that says `errors` instead of `error` but you want the UI to pick it up. | 00:43 |
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| masahito | for instance, when I want to write a policy like, 'well maintained instances', there could be 'maintained' table and 'not maintained' table | 00:44 |
| ekcs | one way to handle that is to have add a special table in each policy: something like violation_tables(name, severity) | 00:45 |
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| ekcs | but another way to handle that is to add an additional rule: like warning(...) :- not_maintained(...) | 00:45 |
| masahito | right | 00:47 |
| ekcs | either way something needs to be added to the policy, and I feel the second way is more straightforward because it doesn't introduce more concept into the system. what do you think? | 00:47 |
| masahito | if the concept of monitoring panel is to use the panel instead of monitor lamp, seconds one makes sense. | 00:48 |
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| ekcs | sorry I'm unfamiliar with monitor lamp. | 00:49 |
| masahito | it's a tool usually operators use to monitor system | 00:50 |
| ekcs | and so if we go with a fixed set of violation tables, how many levels do you feel we need? | 00:50 |
| ekcs | got it. | 00:50 |
| ekcs | masahito: if the concept of monitoring panel is to use the panel instead of monitor lamp, seconds one makes sense. | 00:50 |
| ekcs | so what's the scenario where second one doesn't make sense? | 00:51 |
| ekcs | just so we consider it. | 00:51 |
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| masahito | oops, long url... | 00:53 |
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| ekcs | haha can you use url shortener? | 00:54 |
| ekcs | like https://is.gd | 00:54 |
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| masahito | page 8 in the slide. http://slideplayer.com/slide/10584478/ | 00:55 |
| masahito | Mapping all tables to some level tables, errors, warnings and so one is useful for monitoring operations. | 00:55 |
| masahito | on the other hands, if the administrators of the cloud want to get more informations from the panel, the levels have less information. | 00:57 |
| masahito | like the admins are needed to react the error right now or they can wait to handle the error by tomorrow. | 00:58 |
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| masahito | but now that I'm thinking about it, the panel is a main panel and mapping some events to 2 or 3 levels is nice for operations. | 00:59 |
| ekcs | hmm ok. | 01:00 |
| ekcs | well we're out of time. continue on web tools and next time then. | 01:01 |
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| ekcs | thanks for bringing up more ops perspective! | 01:01 |
| ekcs | thanks all! | 01:01 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 01:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 1 01:01:27 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-06-01-00.01.html | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-06-01-00.01.txt | 01:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-06-01-00.01.log.html | 01:01 |
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| zhenguo | #startmeeting mogan | 02:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 1 02:01:53 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhenguo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: mogan)" | 02:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mogan' | 02:01 |
| zhenguo | o/ | 02:02 |
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| _liusheng | o/ | 02:02 |
| zhangyang | o/ | 02:02 |
| zhenguo | anybody else here? | 02:02 |
| litao__ | o/ | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | luyao, Xinran: are you here? | 02:03 |
| luyao | zhenguo, yes | 02:04 |
| zhenguo | ok, as always, the agenda: | 02:04 |
| zhenguo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Mogan#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 02:04 |
| zhenguo | let's jump in | 02:04 |
| zhenguo | #topic announcements and reminders | 02:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements and reminders (Meeting topic: mogan)" | 02:04 | |
| zhenguo | I sent out a mail to ask if we can share the same keyword baremetal with ironic in CLI | 02:04 |
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| zhenguo | although there are no collisions presently, but maybe happen in future | 02:05 |
| zhenguo | do you have any suggestions about this? | 02:05 |
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| zhenguo | some guys suggest we should at lest use another keywork like ironic inspecter to group mogan commands | 02:06 |
| zhenguo | like openstack baremetal compute xxx | 02:06 |
| _liusheng | But this make some commands too long | 02:07 |
| * zhenguo let me find the mail thread | 02:07 | |
| zhenguo | _liusheng: yes, that's also my concern | 02:07 |
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| litao__ | change baremetal to another keyword? | 02:08 |
| zhenguo | #link https://openstack.nimeyo.com/113997/openstack-dev-osc-ironic-mogan-share-same-keyword-baremetal | 02:08 |
| zhenguo | litao__: yes | 02:08 |
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| zhenguo | maybe we can change to use 'bm' | 02:08 |
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| zhenguo | openstack bm server list/show/create/delete | 02:08 |
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| zhenguo | especially 'baremetal server' and 'baremetal node' are synonyms | 02:09 |
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| zhenguo | as we also want to add node aggregates support, it may cause collision with ironic 'openstack baremetal node xx' | 02:10 |
| litao__ | maybe | 02:11 |
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| zhenguo | so the long term solution is to change to use another keyword | 02:11 |
| zhenguo | bm? maybe | 02:12 |
| _liusheng | Or may we don't use the "baremetal "? | 02:12 |
| zhenguo | _liusheng: yes | 02:12 |
| litao__ | just 'openstack server'? | 02:13 |
| _liusheng | Seems it is proper for Ironic but not for Morgan | 02:13 |
| zhenguo | litao__: hah, that's what nova does | 02:13 |
| zhenguo | _liusheng: do you have any suggestions? | 02:14 |
| litao__ | is 'physical server' OK? | 02:14 |
| _liusheng | IMO the bare means physical server without OS | 02:14 |
| zhenguo | litao__: physical seems a bit strange | 02:14 |
| _liusheng | We provide deployed physical server | 02:15 |
| zhenguo | _liusheng: not exactly, they all call it baremetal server | 02:15 |
| _liusheng | Hah personal thought | 02:15 |
| zhenguo | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare-metal_server | 02:15 |
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| zhenguo | 'baremetal server' is the best choice for me, but we should avoid confusions | 02:16 |
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| zhenguo | I propose to change to replace baremetal with bm, if you don't have any other suggestions | 02:18 |
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| zhenguo | or maybe we can think this more and discuss later | 02:18 |
| _liusheng | But they means same thing | 02:18 |
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| zhenguo | _liusheng: yes, we just need a same thing here | 02:19 |
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| litao__ | Did anybody deny us for using ‘baremetal server’? | 02:20 |
| Xinran | sorry i'm late | 02:20 |
| zhenguo | Xinran: np | 02:20 |
| zhenguo | litao__: currently not, but ironic guys a bit -1 for this | 02:21 |
| _liusheng | yes I think there shouldn't be a namespace concept | 02:21 |
| zhenguo | _liusheng: yes, I also think one keyword should not belongs to one service | 02:22 |
| _liusheng | For osc it should only care the resource of openstack | 02:22 |
| zhenguo | _liusheng: hah | 02:22 |
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| zhenguo | so, we can keep the baremetal keywrord? lol | 02:23 |
| zhenguo | you guys can reply the mail to get more suggestions from the community | 02:24 |
| litao__ | yes, we can fight with ironic guys | 02:24 |
| zhenguo | litao__: not fight, hah | 02:25 |
| zhenguo | litao__: they don't deny us for using baremetal | 02:25 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: lol | 02:25 |
| zhenguo | litao__: we need to join force with ironic | 02:25 |
| zhenguo | so, just keep the CLI pattern now until we got some other better suggestions | 02:26 |
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| _liusheng | The gap between different projects should be invisible for users | 02:27 |
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| litao__ | zhenguo: agree | 02:27 |
| zhenguo | _liusheng: yes, users should only care about what resouces they managed | 02:28 |
| zhenguo | litao__: hah | 02:28 |
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| zhenguo | ok, let's move on | 02:29 |
| zhenguo | we are still very light on docs :( | 02:30 |
| zhenguo | not sure if you noticed the mail to ask mogan architecture diagram | 02:30 |
| litao__ | hah, just in wiki page | 02:32 |
| zhenguo | litao__: yes, we should make more time on docs | 02:33 |
| zhenguo | we can talk about his task in next topic | 02:33 |
| zhenguo | not much of announcement, anyone else have a thing here? | 02:33 |
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| zhenguo | if not, let's move on | 02:34 |
| zhenguo | #topic task tracking | 02:34 |
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| zhenguo | #links https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MoganWhiteBoard | 02:35 |
| zhenguo | I created a new etherpad for mogan priorities | 02:35 |
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| zhenguo | please check the priorties and the owner, let's try to land them all before Pike release | 02:39 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang: hi, for node aggregates and server groups, do you and liudong still have time to do it? | 02:40 |
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| zhangyang | zhenguo: yes, we are working on it | 02:41 |
| zhenguo | wanghao will help to send out our task status report every week | 02:41 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang: ok, thanks, I assign the tasks to you two in the new therpad, please update it every week | 02:42 |
| zhangyang | zhenguo: ok, np | 02:42 |
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| zhenguo | _liusheng: I added the scheduler hints task to server groups, please check | 02:44 |
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| _liusheng | Ok thanks | 02:44 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng, luyao, Xinran: I assign the valence integration task to us, please also check | 02:45 |
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| zhenguo | ok, anyone else have a thing here? | 02:47 |
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| zhenguo | #topic open discussion | 02:48 |
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| zhenguo | who's got a thing here | 02:48 |
| zhenguo | if not, we can end the meeting | 02:50 |
| zhenguo | thanks all for joining | 02:50 |
| zhenguo | #endmeeting | 02:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 02:50 | |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 1 02:50:31 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-06-01-02.01.html | 02:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-06-01-02.01.txt | 02:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-06-01-02.01.log.html | 02:50 |
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| ianychoi | jpich, hello! | 07:03 |
| jpich | Good morning! | 07:03 |
| ianychoi | It seems that you and me are online for today I18n meeting | 07:03 |
| jpich | Hah! Maybe let's wait a bit then? I haven't looked at the agenda yet | 07:05 |
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| ianychoi | Aha yep:) Please visit https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/I18nTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 07:05 |
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| jpich | Thanks!! | 07:06 |
| ianychoi | No problem :) | 07:06 |
| ianychoi | Anyone for I18n meeting today? | 07:06 |
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| ianychoi | jpich, it seems that you and me are online - Are you interested in some of today topics? | 07:16 |
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| ianychoi | If you are fine, I wanna run a short I18n IRC meeting today | 07:16 |
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| jpich | I'm always curious but I don't think I'm the main audience for most of the items :( | 07:17 |
| jpich | What are the current i18n activities? | 07:17 |
| ianychoi | I see :) Let's briefly discuss :) | 07:18 |
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| ianychoi | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 07:18 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 1 07:18:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:18 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:18 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 07:18 |
| ianychoi | #topic User survey translation status | 07:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "User survey translation status (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:18 | |
| ianychoi | #info Skipping since no language coordinators are here unfortunately in today irc meeting | 07:19 |
| ianychoi | #topic Reviewing I18n current activities | 07:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviewing I18n current activities (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:19 | |
| ianychoi | #info Translated PDF support - ianychoi investigated on some implementation details and he will propose a spec to docs-specs | 07:20 |
| ianychoi | #info Proposing a translate-support governance tag: slow progress but ianychoi will do :) | 07:20 |
| jpich | Is PDF support about translating source document that are PDFs, or making sure the PDF outputs look ok in all the languages? | 07:21 |
| ianychoi | #info Python 3 support in i18n repo: need to define how to test some tools and I have recently found that some Python scripts look fine but output generation is error | 07:21 |
| ianychoi | jpich, aha PDF support from translated sources :) | 07:22 |
| jpich | Ok! | 07:22 |
| jpich | Happy to help with poking/reviewing the translate-support tag document, in etherpad form or in gerrit or wherever :) | 07:22 |
| ianychoi | #info translate-dev.o.o currently uses openstackid-dev. ianychoi and openstackid developer discussed for future directions and some details how to support authentication in translate-dev.o.o for existing users | 07:23 |
| ianychoi | jpich, thanks a lot and sorry for my slow progress :( | 07:23 |
| jpich | It's ok! Everyone is always busy, and you've had a lot going on especially :) | 07:24 |
| jpich | Still plenty of time in the cycle | 07:24 |
| ianychoi | #info I18n PTL is curious on new functionalities in newer version of Zanata and fortunately newer version of Zanata (4.2) can be rather easily deployed to current openstack-infra (since Java 8 and Wildfly 10 are the same). | 07:25 |
| ianychoi | #info Zanata team will have a webinar: What are new features on newer version of Zanata since 3.9 | 07:25 |
| jpich | Nice! | 07:26 |
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| ianychoi | That's all from my self-review on current I18n activities. | 07:26 |
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| jpich | Not bad :D | 07:26 |
| jpich | There's a lot in there | 07:26 |
| ianychoi | How about in Tripleo-UI activities with translation? | 07:26 |
| ianychoi | AFAIK there is a launchpad bug which tells that json testing would be needed | 07:27 |
| jpich | I think it tends to be very quiet in the middle of a cycle, when things change a lot. However!! We got a partial Turkish translation last week :) | 07:27 |
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| ianychoi | Wow so great! | 07:28 |
| jpich | Yes, no one has looked into it yet unfortunately. At least the jobs are still working for the moment, as far as I know :) | 07:28 |
| ianychoi | #info Turkish glossary needs review from Turkish translators: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467240/ | 07:28 |
| patchbot | patch 467240 - i18n - glossary: Add Turkish entries | 07:28 |
| ianychoi | jpich, I see :) | 07:29 |
| ianychoi | Any more question on I18n activites? | 07:29 |
| jpich | The Turkish translation is at 100% now actually, the glossary author did it... many thanks!! | 07:30 |
| jpich | No more questions from me! | 07:30 |
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| ianychoi | jpich, I think yes. I am waiting for +1 from Turkish translators - I think it is important to officially record the opinion from Turkish translators in Gerrit. | 07:31 |
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| ianychoi | #topic Next week: a webinar for Zanata new features since 3.9 instead of IRC meeting | 07:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Next week: a webinar for Zanata new features since 3.9 instead of IRC meeting (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:31 | |
| jpich | I saw your email, makes sense to me | 07:31 |
| ianychoi | So.. for the next week, I would like to cancel the IRC meeting on the next week but it will substitute with the webinar :) | 07:32 |
| ianychoi | I am finding a webinar platform and I am currently considering Skype for Business | 07:32 |
| jpich | I think the Foundation uses webex for the board meetings (?), maybe it would be possible for us to use it as well? I'm not sure about the details | 07:33 |
| ianychoi | jpich, thank you. Then I will ask to Foundation (but I am not sure who is the right person for such contact) | 07:34 |
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| jpich | ianychoi: Maybe starting with one of the community managers, like Tom Fifield...? | 07:35 |
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| * jpich looking at https://www.openstack.org/foundation/staff/ :) | 07:35 | |
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| ianychoi | jpich, I see - thanks a lot! | 07:36 |
| ianychoi | #topic Discussion on IRC meeting participation | 07:36 |
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| ianychoi | #info Let's skip this today since only two are online now. However, creating a poll might be an alternative instead of discussing through IRC. | 07:37 |
| ianychoi | #topic Open discussions | 07:37 |
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| ianychoi | That's all from my side today. | 07:38 |
| jpich | Thanks ianychoi!! :) | 07:38 |
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| ianychoi | jpich, it's my pleasure! | 07:41 |
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| ianychoi | jpich, question: will you go to next PTG - Denver US on Sep 11-15? | 07:42 |
| jpich | ianychoi: I don't know yet! I will try :) | 07:42 |
| jpich | Will you? | 07:42 |
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| ianychoi | jpich, I am now considering to go to the next PTG for I18n but I am a little bit worried about how many people are interested in I18n activities | 07:43 |
| jpich | ianychoi: I think it was useful for discussing i18n concerns with infra folks and developers, I found the sessions I attended with you useful in any case! However it does seem that translators themselves mostly attended the Summit, from what I understand | 07:44 |
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| ianychoi | jpich, +1! I quite agree that PTG is really useful for I18n team :) | 07:45 |
| ianychoi | Okay.. thanks a lot for today participation - jpich :) I would like to close the meeting now. | 07:47 |
| jpich | Works for me! | 07:47 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: one thing on user survey translation | 07:47 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, yes! | 07:47 |
| amotoki | i am just here | 07:47 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, hello :) | 07:47 |
| amotoki | I talked a bit with Japanese users group members on this. | 07:47 |
| ianychoi | Thanks a lot for such discussion | 07:48 |
| amotoki | I think developers are usually interested in normal translations, but user survery translation has a differnt aspect | 07:48 |
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| amotoki | it has marketing perspective too. | 07:48 |
| amotoki | I am afraid language coordinators are not necessarily the local community leaders | 07:49 |
| amotoki | and they sometimes has no connection on them | 07:49 |
| ianychoi | Yes - I agree with your perspective. Just note that I am now involving both I18n contribution and Korea user group activities and I might have missed such important aspect. | 07:49 |
| amotoki | so I wonder it is a good idea or not that the foundation and you ask language translators to translate user survey | 07:49 |
| ianychoi | In my opinion, upstream and downstream activities are different but inter-connected each other. | 07:50 |
| amotoki | another point is that translations which are not reviewed well are much worse than English version from the perspecitve of user experience | 07:50 |
| amotoki | i wonder the foundation have requested local users groups or not... | 07:51 |
| amotoki | this is just from small chats so far. | 07:51 |
| amotoki | Japanese users group may access to the foundation directly to discuss how we can motivate folks to translate it | 07:52 |
| ianychoi | Hmm, I see. | 07:52 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, then may I initiate more conversation with Foundation including you and Torii-san? | 07:53 |
| ianychoi | And another Akihiro - ambassador? | 07:53 |
| amotoki | I just talked with Mizuno-san not Torii-san | 07:53 |
| amotoki | he is the current chairman of Japan users group | 07:53 |
| ianychoi | Aha.. I see. Then could you let me know the e-mail address of Mizuno-san? | 07:54 |
| amotoki | I will loop more folks in the loop | 07:54 |
| amotoki | I will send some mail including you this weekend | 07:54 |
| ianychoi | My e-mail would be in English not Japanese but I want to more tell with the details (how it initiated the more on progress) | 07:54 |
| amotoki | :) no problem | 07:55 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, thanks a lot :) | 07:55 |
| amotoki | better understanding on backgroudn and detail would help us | 07:55 |
| amotoki | that's all i have now | 07:55 |
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| ianychoi | amotoki, sure - Note that I initially wanted that the language coordinators would play more roles leading user survey translation | 07:56 |
| ianychoi | but yes - I should have more considered with user group organizers | 07:56 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: you have done well so far. | 07:57 |
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| amotoki | differernt folks have different views. never mind so much | 07:57 |
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| ianychoi | amotoki, thanks for such saying :) | 07:58 |
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| ianychoi | Then, let's close today IRC meeting. Thanks a lot for today participation - amotoki and again, jpich :) | 07:58 |
| ianychoi | #endmeeting | 07:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 07:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 1 07:58:48 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-06-01-07.18.html | 07:58 |
| amotoki | thanks | 07:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-06-01-07.18.txt | 07:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-06-01-07.18.log.html | 07:58 |
| jpich | Thanks! | 07:59 |
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| bauzas | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 1 14:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bauzas. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
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| bauzas | howdy | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
| dansmith | o. | 14:00 |
| bauzas | mriedem can't make all the meeting, so chairing if you agree | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:00 |
| bauzas | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 14:00 |
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| bauzas | fortunately, he did filled the agenda, so I can still be lazy :) | 14:01 |
| * edleafe wonders about dansmith's tiny arm | 14:01 | |
| dansmith | edleafe: it's my shoulder | 14:01 |
| dansmith | or something | 14:01 |
| * edleafe wonders about dansmith's tiny shoulder | 14:01 | |
| dansmith | heh | 14:01 |
| sfinucan | o/ | 14:02 |
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| bauzas | let's start | 14:02 |
| efried | o/ | 14:02 |
| bauzas | #topic Release news | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release news (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:02 | |
| bauzas | #link Pike release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Pike_Release_Schedule | 14:02 |
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| bauzas | #info Next upcoming milestone: Jun 8: p-2 milestone (1 week) | 14:02 |
| bauzas | #info Blueprints: 72 targeted, 68 approved, 15 completed, 4 not started | 14:02 |
| bauzas | given pike-2 is in one week, mriedem had a thing to make sure we don't diverge too much | 14:03 |
| bauzas | #info Blueprints which are blocked, not started or do not have an owner after the p-2 milestone will likely be deferred to Queens. | 14:03 |
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| bauzas | comments ? | 14:03 |
| bauzas | folks not scary about that? | 14:03 |
| bauzas | personnally, I'm fine with | 14:03 |
| bauzas | in other words, if you haven't started yet to work on your implementation, please consider it as urgent for your week :) | 14:04 |
| bauzas | I take it as a silent nodding | 14:04 |
| bauzas | #topic Bugs | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:04 | |
| bauzas | #link Critical bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.importance=Critical&field.status=New&field.status=Incomplete&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=In+Progress | 14:05 |
| bauzas | none I heard | 14:05 |
| bauzas | #help Need help with bug triage; there are 96 (down 8 from last week) new untriaged bugs as of today (June 1). | 14:05 |
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| bauzas | and I truly blame myself for the above ^ | 14:06 |
| bauzas | throw e-tomatoes at me if you will | 14:06 |
| bauzas | so the gate | 14:06 |
| bauzas | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 14:07 |
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| bauzas | since I was off last week, can someone point me if there were CI failures that required investigation ? | 14:07 |
| bauzas | I can see a couple of rechecks along when reviewing, but I'd say the situation is steady, correct? | 14:08 |
| sfinucan | afaik, yeah | 14:08 |
| bauzas | cool | 14:08 |
| bauzas | 3rd-party CI is more concerning me | 14:09 |
| bauzas | #link 3rd party CI status http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 14:09 |
| bauzas | mriedem wrote an email 2 days ago about VMware NSX CI | 14:09 |
| bauzas | AFAICS, some other 3rd-party CIs are having problems | 14:10 |
| bauzas | and if you see at the latter, you'll see not a good shape | 14:10 |
| bauzas | #info XenServer CI is having some known issues with Tempest SSH validation enabled by default; has been removed from nova-ci voting group for now. | 14:10 |
| sfinucan | I would assume a lot of that is the setuptools issue, no? | 14:10 |
| bauzas | probably | 14:10 |
| efried | Link please? | 14:11 |
| bauzas | efried: link for what ? mriedem's email ? | 14:11 |
| efried | "the setuptools issue" | 14:11 |
| sfinucan | efried: -openstackstatus/#openstack-nova- NOTICE: There is a known issue with setuptools 36.0.0 and errors about the "six" package. For current details see https://github.com/pypa/setuptools/issues/1042 and monitor #openstack-infra | 14:11 |
| sfinucan | from the channel this morning | 14:11 |
| efried | Thanks sfinucan - missed it. | 14:12 |
| sfinucan | (y) | 14:12 |
| bauzas | FWIW, the email I mentioned http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-May/117667.html | 14:12 |
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| bauzas | anyway, let's see if things improve next week, or we could possibly need to reach stakeholders | 14:12 |
| bauzas | #topic Reminders | 14:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:13 | |
| bauzas | #link Pike Review Priorities etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:13 |
| bauzas | I can see some of the sections of the etherpad relevant, some not | 14:13 |
| bauzas | I beg subteams to make sure the above is up to date | 14:13 |
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| bauzas | #topic Stable branches status | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable branches status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:14 | |
| bauzas | #link stable/ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata,n,z | 14:14 |
| bauzas | #info Ocata 15.0.5 has been released. | 14:14 |
| bauzas | #link stable/newton: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/newton,n,z | 14:14 |
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| bauzas | #info Newton 14.0.7 has been released. | 14:15 |
| bauzas | I know we have a couple of bugfixes worth releasing | 14:15 |
| bauzas | I'll try to review the above asap | 14:15 |
| bauzas | moving on | 14:16 |
| bauzas | #topic Subteam highlights | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Subteam highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:16 | |
| bauzas | dansmith, you had meeting on last Wed, right ? | 14:17 |
| dansmith | you mean yesterday? | 14:17 |
| bauzas | I am | 14:17 |
| dansmith | yes, we talked about a few bug fixes that are in the backport queue, | 14:17 |
| dansmith | and outstanding patches like quotas and the last couple for multicell devstack | 14:17 |
| dansmith | that's about it, moving along well | 14:17 |
| bauzas | I guess quotas is the hot plate ? | 14:17 |
| dansmith | yes | 14:18 |
| bauzas | okay | 14:18 |
| bauzas | and AFAIK, cells-aware BP is pretty all done, correct? | 14:18 |
| bauzas | except the devstack side | 14:18 |
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| dansmith | I have a few more patches that I need to collect | 14:18 |
| bauzas | okay | 14:19 |
| dansmith | so no, but most of the ones that are up are merged or merged last night yeah | 14:19 |
| bauzas | cool | 14:19 |
| bauzas | so, we had no scheduler meeting on Monday given Memorial Day | 14:19 |
| bauzas | passing tho | 14:19 |
| bauzas | can someone tell me if we had an API meeting yesterday? | 14:20 |
| alex_xu | yes, but very short | 14:20 |
| alex_xu | the spec for quota-class API bug is up https://review.openstack.org/468619 | 14:20 |
| patchbot | patch 468619 - nova-specs - Fix to return server groups quota in the quota-cla... | 14:21 |
| alex_xu | that is all | 14:21 |
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| bauzas | alex_xu: well, it's a spec, right? | 14:22 |
| mriedem | it's a spec for a bug fix | 14:22 |
| mriedem | regression in v2.1 | 14:22 |
| bauzas | ah ok | 14:22 |
| mriedem | for the quota class sets api | 14:22 |
| alex_xu | bauzas: yea, a API bug, but it need to be fix by microversion | 14:22 |
| bauzas | okay | 14:22 |
| bauzas | so not impacted by the spec freeze then | 14:22 |
| mriedem | no | 14:22 |
| bauzas | mriedem: thanks for the explanation | 14:22 |
| mriedem | i'm back so watch out | 14:22 |
| bauzas | hah | 14:22 |
| * bauzas hides the nasty things because daddy is back | 14:23 | |
| dansmith | umm | 14:23 |
| bauzas | so, gibi said no notifications meeting | 14:23 |
| bauzas | moving on quickly | 14:23 |
| bauzas | aaaaand, perfect timing | 14:23 |
| bauzas | Cinder, mriedem ? | 14:23 |
| mriedem | yeah, link is in there | 14:24 |
| bauzas | #link need reviews starting here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469579/ to use new microversion when attaching volumes | 14:24 |
| patchbot | patch 469579 - nova - Use microversions for new style volume attachments | 14:24 |
| bauzas | okay | 14:24 |
| mriedem | i put up patches yesterday for version discovery with cinder, | 14:24 |
| mriedem | which is needed to send 3.27 for the new attachment flow | 14:24 |
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| mriedem | pretty simple changes | 14:24 |
| mriedem | jgriffith has a poc for attach with the new flow that is going to be rebased on top of that series | 14:25 |
| mriedem | and steve noyes is working on the live migration conversion | 14:25 |
| mriedem | oh speaking of, | 14:25 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469740/ needs to get in | 14:25 |
| patchbot | patch 469740 - nova - Fix call to driver_detach in remove_volume_connection | 14:25 |
| mriedem | live migration rollback for volume-attached instances was regressed in pike | 14:25 |
| mriedem | i see i'm hitting the setuptools issue now though | 14:26 |
| bauzas | yup | 14:26 |
| mriedem | anyway, simple fix | 14:26 |
| bauzas | CCd | 14:26 |
| bauzas | #topic Stuck reviews | 14:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:26 | |
| bauzas | nothing in the agenda | 14:26 |
| bauzas | I guess we can continue | 14:26 |
| bauzas | #topic Open discussion | 14:27 |
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| bauzas | there was an item | 14:27 |
| bauzas | mhenkel: you there ? | 14:27 |
| mhenkel | yes, this was my BP on dpdk | 14:27 |
| mhenkel | hi all! | 14:27 |
| bauzas | the question is "Can https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/opencontrail-dpdk-support for a new VIF be approved as a spec-less blueprint?" | 14:27 |
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| mhenkel | I added more explanation to the BP today | 14:28 |
| mhenkel | can you let me know if that is sufficient or if I am still missing something | 14:28 |
| mriedem | i thought jaypipes had questions in there about doing stuff in os-vif? | 14:28 |
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| bauzas | yeah that was my question | 14:28 |
| bauzas | we already have os-vif for that | 14:28 |
| mriedem | sean-k-mooney and jaypipes are the authorities here | 14:28 |
| mhenkel | yes, and I talked with both on it and went through the code | 14:29 |
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| mhenkel | from a code and integration point of view they were fine with the approach | 14:29 |
| mriedem | so, | 14:29 |
| mriedem | it's not in os-vif, | 14:29 |
| mriedem | it's a plugin https://github.com/Juniper/contrail-nova-vif-driver right? | 14:29 |
| mhenkel | that is correct | 14:29 |
| sfinucan | which, tbf, is how it's supposed to be done | 14:30 |
| mriedem | wow https://github.com/Juniper/contrail-nova-vif-driver/blob/master/nova_contrail_vif/contrailvif.py | 14:30 |
| mriedem | ^ scares me a bit | 14:30 |
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| mhenkel | why is that? | 14:30 |
| mriedem | monkey patching the networking api | 14:30 |
| qwebirc93460 | FYI.. this is the actual plugin - https://github.com/Juniper/contrail-nova-vif-driver/tree/master/vif_plug_vrouter | 14:31 |
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| mhenkel | correct | 14:32 |
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| mriedem | well i guess i don't have major objections to this, | 14:34 |
| mriedem | it's all just passthrough to the plugin | 14:34 |
| mriedem | i have no idea if it works of course, or will continue to work | 14:34 |
| mriedem | but that's what you get if you're a plugin | 14:34 |
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| mhenkel | currently it works ;) | 14:35 |
| mhenkel | but you are right, we need to track any interface changes | 14:35 |
| mriedem | i'll talk to jay and sean about it when they are around | 14:35 |
| mhenkel | but that is in the nature of plugins | 14:35 |
| mhenkel | ok, thanks | 14:35 |
| mhenkel | and can you let me know if the BP now contains the necessary details? | 14:36 |
| bauzas | I think there was a good argument about that not specifiically tied to DPDK | 14:37 |
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| mriedem | mhenkel: also, | 14:37 |
| mriedem | isn't "vrouter" a rather generic vif type name? | 14:37 |
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| mriedem | why not contrail-vrouter or something? | 14:38 |
| mhenkel | mriedem: no, vrouter is OpenContrails ovs/linux bridge replacement | 14:38 |
| mriedem | i get that, | 14:38 |
| mriedem | but what happens when ACME SDN has a vif type of vrouter that collides with this? | 14:39 |
| mriedem | ACME SDN being another vedor | 14:39 |
| mriedem | *vendor | 14:39 |
| mhenkel | that is probably true. I can rename it to contrail-vrouter | 14:39 |
| bauzas | yup, another BP URL and naming would suit me | 14:39 |
| bauzas | I guess that's all we have for today's meeting | 14:40 |
| mriedem | anyway let's not do all this in the meeting | 14:40 |
| mhenkel | ok | 14:40 |
| bauzas | any other items to raise to the community? | 14:40 |
| bauzas | again, keeping in mind that pike-2 is literally next week | 14:41 |
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| bauzas | if so, I can call it a day | 14:41 |
| bauzas | #endmeeting | 14:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 1 14:42:03 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-06-01-14.00.html | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-06-01-14.00.txt | 14:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-06-01-14.00.log.html | 14:42 |
| cdent | thanks bauzas | 14:42 |
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| bauzas | np, I'd rather thank mriedem for just letting me copy/paste | 14:42 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 1 15:01:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | #chair haleyb Swami_ | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Swami_ haleyb mlavalle | 15:01 |
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| Swami_ | mlavalle: hi | 15:01 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: are we in the right channel? | 15:02 |
| haleyb | i had meeting-3 in my invite | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: nope, you are right | 15:02 |
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| Swami_ | mlavalle: yes I thought we are supposed to be in meeting-3 room | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | Swami_: ^^^ | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 1 15:02:53 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-06-01-15.01.html | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-06-01-15.01.txt | 15:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-06-01-15.01.log.html | 15:02 |
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| asettle | #startmeeting docteam | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 1 16:00:40 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asettle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 16:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 16:00 |
| asettle | #topic Roll call | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll call (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:00 | |
| asettle | hi! | 16:01 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 16:01 |
| rluethi | sup | 16:01 |
| AJaeger | o/ | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ Coming to represent the Cinder peeps. :-) | 16:01 |
| asettle | And here I was, worried we wouldn't have quorum | 16:01 |
| asettle | Looking at chicken pie recipes instead | 16:01 |
| asettle | :p | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Mmmm, Chicken Pie sounds good. Guess I need to start thinking about lunch. | 16:02 |
| asettle | I'll wait until 5 past before I get going. | 16:02 |
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| asettle | Yeah that was my thoughts today | 16:02 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 16:03 |
| asettle | Ahoihoi | 16:03 |
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| asettle | Okay, let's start :) | 16:04 |
| asettle | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:04 | |
| asettle | ACTION: asettle to chat to rluethi about training-labs and guides future | 16:04 |
| asettle | rluethi: we didn't quite manage that, did we? :p | 16:04 |
| rluethi | not that I know of. | 16:04 |
| rluethi | well, there is always another chance. | 16:04 |
| asettle | Let's book in some time next week to chat? Just an IRC convo, but I can send you a cal invite so at least we both know :) | 16:05 |
| asettle | That sound alright? | 16:05 |
| rluethi | deal. | 16:05 |
| asettle | Done! | 16:05 |
| ianychoi | o/ | 16:05 |
| asettle | I'll keep that action item though | 16:05 |
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| asettle | #action asettle to chat to rluethi about training-labs and guides future | 16:05 |
| asettle | ACTION: asettle and ianychoi to discuss planning changes with translation activities | 16:05 |
| asettle | This, we also did not do, did we ianychoi ? :p | 16:05 |
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| ianychoi | asettle, we have the same memory :) | 16:05 |
| amotoki | o/ | 16:06 |
| asettle | Hahaha good good. Okay. Well. Let's also book in some time to talk this week :) how does that sound? | 16:06 |
| asettle | amotoki: welcome :) | 16:06 |
| ianychoi | Pretty cool! | 16:06 |
| asettle | Excellent, excellent | 16:06 |
| asettle | Will keep that action item up then | 16:06 |
| asettle | #action asettle and ianychoi to discuss planning changes with translation activities | 16:06 |
| asettle | #topic Count down to release | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Count down to release (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:06 | |
| asettle | #link https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/newyear?p0=24&msg=Pike+release&ud=1&font=slab | 16:06 |
| asettle | 30 weeks LOL | 16:07 |
| asettle | But, that's coming up pretty damn fast | 16:07 |
| ianychoi | LoL (2) | 16:07 |
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| asettle | I sent out a call for release managers today | 16:07 |
| asettle | If anyone is interested and can help out, I would really appreciate it | 16:07 |
| asettle | We need release help more than ever now. Esp considering our cores are continuing to dwindle | 16:07 |
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| asettle | Anyone interested? | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | The releases always do seem to come out of nowhere . | 16:07 |
| asettle | We like to surprise you all with documentation | 16:08 |
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| asettle | It's an incredibly boring surprise | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | asettle : what's involved in that? | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | dhellmann: +1 | 16:08 |
| asettle | Without going into specifics too deeply | 16:08 |
| asettle | #link https://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/release.html | 16:08 |
| asettle | HEre's our overview | 16:08 |
| asettle | #link https://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/release/taskoverview.html | 16:08 |
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| dhellmann | ok, I'll review those | 16:09 |
| asettle | It's mostly regarding the install guide testing, packages, CPL checks (we should add the doc-tag to that list) | 16:09 |
| asettle | Publishing branches, making sure the www stuff is up-to-date | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | I am planning/hoping before the end of Pike to get the docs bug mess in Cinder cleaned up a bit. | 16:10 |
| asettle | Previously, two people volunteer to help out. The PTL and the managers will meet, sync up, and make sure that all release items are all done :) | 16:10 |
| asettle | jungleboyj: woooo! :D | 16:10 |
| asettle | Love the sound of that | 16:10 |
| asettle | Do you need anything from us? | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | asettle: Thought you would. | 16:10 |
| asettle | I'm easily pleased. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | asettle: No, going to come join your meetings here. Go through the bugs out there and do some cleanup / triage . I will bring you all questions as they arise. :-) | 16:11 |
| asettle | Wonderful :) well, welcome. Thanks for coming :) | 16:11 |
| asettle | Let us know what we can do to help you along the way :) | 16:11 |
| asettle | Happy to answer any questions | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | Discovered I like documentation while working on upstream-institute | 16:11 |
| asettle | I'm in the UK | 16:11 |
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| jungleboyj | Will do. | 16:11 |
| asettle | Well, I'm glad to hear that! | 16:11 |
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| jungleboyj | So, I will help those release items from that aspect. | 16:12 |
| asettle | That sounds great :) thanks. We appreciate that. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | My pleasure. | 16:12 |
| asettle | Okay, well if nobody is going to jump at the opportunity to be release managers right this second, i'll move on :p | 16:12 |
| ianychoi | jungleboyj, wow more Docs-philic people :) | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | ianychoi: :-) Yep. You helped inspire me. ;-) | 16:12 |
| asettle | I have never heard of it being referred to as 'docs-philic' but I think that's hilariously great. | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | asettle: +2 | 16:13 |
| ianychoi | jungleboyj, haha it's great pleasure. I also learned a lot from you during latest upstream institute! | 16:13 |
| amotoki | :) | 16:13 |
| asettle | Aw :) | 16:13 |
| asettle | Okay team, let's keepa rolling | 16:13 |
| asettle | #topic Operations Guide | 16:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Operations Guide (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:13 | |
| asettle | Some of you may have seen my emails that contained info about this | 16:13 |
| asettle | Here's my most recent email to the ops list | 16:14 |
| asettle | #link #topic Operations guide | 16:14 |
| asettle | Oh ffs | 16:14 |
| asettle | Copy pasta is hard | 16:14 |
| asettle | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-June/013633.html | 16:14 |
| asettle | TL;DR - we have three options for the future of hte ops guide, and I'm voting for option 3 | 16:14 |
| asettle | I wanna hear what you all think | 16:14 |
| amotoki | honestly this topic raises me a question what is a difference between admin guide and ops guide | 16:15 |
| AJaeger | asettle: option 3 means somebody needs to move it somehow in the wiki - so needs a volunteer and ownership | 16:15 |
| rluethi | amotoki: +1 | 16:15 |
| asettle | amotoki: well, that's what the session was about. We all very much came to the conclusion that the two guides, although one was technically more theoretical, and one more practical, they were both for hte same audience | 16:16 |
| asettle | Therefore, we decided that we had to go one of three ways with the guide's future | 16:16 |
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| asettle | In the session, the operators agreed that we should do option 3 | 16:16 |
| asettle | But I want to make sure the community agrees | 16:16 |
| asettle | And as AJaeger says - we get some volunteers to help this move | 16:16 |
| amotoki | i see. that makes sense. | 16:16 |
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| rluethi | asettle: If it's pretty much the same subject, how will they differ going forward? | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | That seems sensible. An understandable division of the documentation. | 16:17 |
| asettle | rluethi: in content, or maintainability? | 16:17 |
| amotoki | regardless of wiki or git repo, who takes ownership? ops team from UC? | 16:18 |
| rluethi | Well, the email talks about where each guide lives, but how is the content different? | 16:18 |
| asettle | Ah, so, as I mentioned above - the main difference is mostly that one guide (ops) is more theoretical and concerns desiging, creating, and administratoring a production cloud | 16:19 |
| asettle | Whereas admin is more about managing and troubleshooting | 16:19 |
| asettle | Does that make sense? | 16:19 |
| rluethi | I hope it does for the target audiences :). | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | asettle: The admin guide is more driven by development while the ops guide is driven by developers. RIght? | 16:20 |
| rluethi | To me, it sounds like a difficult line to draw. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | sorry | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | ops driven by operators | 16:20 |
| asettle | Haha yep, with that correction, yep | 16:20 |
| asettle | We still have the intention to move the Administration Guide out to the project repos for that reason | 16:20 |
| ianychoi | But.. such all migration from current ops-guide to Wiki would require huge effort - maybe creating a basic wiki for ops-guide (same table of contents, migrating just key content, and referring to current ops-guide in docs.o.o would be a first step? | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | :-) Yeah, minor detail. So, having the ops guide easily accessible to operators on the wiki and making admin guide closer to what developers are used to makes sense. | 16:21 |
| asettle | ianychoi: that's not a bad idea - we could then call for help? | 16:21 |
| asettle | jungleboyj: yep, that's pretty much my thinking | 16:21 |
| asettle | I probably haven't been clear enough in my email :/ | 16:21 |
| amotoki | another option on ops-guide is to delegate core team. | 16:21 |
| asettle | What do you mean by that, amotoki ? | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | The challenge is going to be making the developers do it. :-) | 16:22 |
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| asettle | jungleboyj: yo literally the story of my life | 16:22 |
| amotoki | asettle: the wiki is not so easy to maintain. I believe gerrit review is really useful even for operators | 16:22 |
| asettle | My autobiography will be titled that. | 16:22 |
| asettle | amotoki: I completely agree with you. But we've struggled *so* much to get contributions from operators | 16:22 |
| asettle | THey dont' want to use gerrit | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:23 |
| ianychoi | asettle, +1, because the most huge effort I think is that .rst syntax and MediaWiki syntax are not compatible. Migrating all the content may require long period.. | 16:23 |
| amotoki | hehe, difficult choice :p | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | ianychoi: :-( | 16:23 |
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| asettle | Hahhaha oh dear. | 16:23 |
| asettle | You're all very correct. | 16:23 |
| asettle | Hmm, anyway, let's see if I get any response from the ML - if not, I think we should make an executive decision. dhellmann - what would be TC appropriate protocol there? | 16:23 |
| AJaeger | asettle: I think we're in charge here, no need for TC IMHO | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | if you don't get a response, or if you don't have volunteers to do the work? | 16:24 |
| asettle | AJaeger: mostly just wondering if TC would have an issue with me going "okay, no responses, nobody cares, bye bye guide" | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | Can the work of moving to the wiki be split among the team here. Everyone take a section, reformat and move? | 16:25 |
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| asettle | jungleboyj: we normally would do that, but we barely have a team as is :( | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | yeah, you don't need the tc to weigh in unless the decision is to mothball the guide | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | and then it's just a matter of going through the process | 16:25 |
| asettle | Coolio hoolio | 16:25 |
| asettle | What is "the process"? | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | jungleboyj : the whole point of this transition period is that there is not really a pool of people to do work like that | 16:25 |
| asettle | ^ what he said | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | asettle : let me find the doc, stand by | 16:25 |
| asettle | Swell, swell | 16:26 |
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| dhellmann | asettle : https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/drivers.html#retiring-a-project | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. | 16:26 |
| asettle | #link https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/drivers.html#retiring-a-project | 16:27 |
| asettle | Just for later | 16:27 |
| asettle | Thanks | 16:27 |
| asettle | Okay | 16:27 |
| asettle | This is good info :) AJaeger ^ | 16:27 |
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| asettle | On that note, I'll move to the next topic because it's related | 16:27 |
| asettle | #topic Docs team going forward | 16:27 |
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| asettle | So, we're looking to gather as many volunteers to help us do a lot of heavy lifting in the coming months | 16:27 |
| asettle | So, I'm hoping we can all pool in and do some recruiting | 16:27 |
| asettle | It appears that from our ML discussion | 16:29 |
| asettle | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-May/117162.html | 16:29 |
| asettle | That we have chosen to go with option 1 | 16:29 |
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| asettle | "We could combine all of the documentation builds, so that each project has a single doc/source directory that includes developer, contributor, and user documentation." | 16:29 |
| asettle | We're going to need a really nice, special, helpful, person in infra to help us out :) | 16:30 |
| * asettle looks at AJaeger | 16:30 | |
| * AJaeger is happy to review and advise - but cannot be in the driver seat | 16:30 | |
| asettle | Sounds good - AJaeger could you help us recruit someone (or recommend?) we could talk to about driving this with us | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | I'll help with the build stuff, if AJaeger will help with reviews | 16:31 |
| ianychoi | AJaeger, regarding this, maybe translation build jobs also need to be unified for Documentation builds? | 16:31 |
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| dhellmann | it should just be a matter of a new job that looks very much like the existing one, with a different publisher step, right AJaeger? | 16:31 |
| asettle | Hmm, would it affect translation? | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | good point | 16:31 |
| asettle | How integrated are the builds currently? | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | we already have translation jobs for the release notes. we can use those as the basis for new jobs. | 16:32 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: yes. You need to figure out whether we still to "tox -e venv python setup.py build_sphinx" or run "tox -e docs" instead - and then how to publish | 16:32 |
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| ianychoi | dhellmann, good point - yes all releasenote build jobs and AFAIK you, AJaeger, amotoki helped a lot | 16:33 |
| AJaeger | translations will be affected | 16:33 |
| amotoki | but the translation script does a lot, so we might need to update it. I believe AJaeger and i can help it | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | ok. let's get the regular build stuff going and then add translations to it. | 16:33 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: I'm happy to review | 16:33 |
| * dhellmann likes to work in phases | 16:33 | |
| asettle | So, for the build changes - should we be looking at writing a spec, and then getting the plans nutted out a bit further? | 16:34 |
| ianychoi | dhellmann, amotoki. AJaeger: Thanks a lot all! | 16:34 |
| ianychoi | (I will follow such activities) | 16:34 |
| amotoki | asettle: +1 it clarifies what's happening | 16:34 |
| asettle | Okay | 16:34 |
| asettle | #action asettle to write spec for build changes | 16:34 |
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| dhellmann | I can help with that, too | 16:35 |
| asettle | Sweet, thanks dhellmann :) | 16:35 |
| asettle | #topic Speciality teams reports | 16:35 |
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| asettle | annegentle: you around for the API report? :) | 16:35 |
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| asettle | Guessing not at the moment :) we can come back | 16:36 |
| asettle | I can't see Matjaz either | 16:36 |
| asettle | rluethi: it's all you and the Training Labs :) | 16:36 |
| rluethi | We merged a few patches for Windows hosts, and there are a few more under review or otherwise pending. | 16:37 |
| amotoki | regarding the API ref, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464255/ is proposing the addition of a new format. feedback would be appreciated. | 16:37 |
| patchbot | patch 464255 - os-api-ref - WIP Add support for making sub-elements clearer | 16:37 |
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| asettle | #link #topic Speciality teams reports | 16:37 |
| asettle | Thanks amotoki :) | 16:37 |
| asettle | rluethi: that's cool :) | 16:37 |
| rluethi | New features will have to wait until that's done. | 16:37 |
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| ianychoi | rluethi, cool for training-labs :) | 16:38 |
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| rluethi | I hope so :). | 16:38 |
| asettle | Wonderful :) thanks for the update rluethi | 16:38 |
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| asettle | #topic Bug triaging | 16:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug triaging (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:39 | |
| asettle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams#Bug_Triage_Team | 16:39 |
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| asettle | Ben is our current bug triage liaison. Problems? | 16:39 |
| asettle | (not that I heard of) | 16:39 |
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| asettle | I just pinged him, but he might not be around | 16:39 |
| asettle | Next up is Olga (ogusarenko) for the 5 Jun - 19 Jun | 16:40 |
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| asettle | #topic Open discussion | 16:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:40 | |
| asettle | Okay, we're at the end folks. I don't think I have much else. | 16:40 |
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| asettle | I'm going to jump into the security team's meeting after this to talk about the Security Guide if anyone is interested | 16:40 |
| mlavalle | asettle: I just want to let the team know that I have volunteered to be the Neutron liaison here | 16:41 |
| asettle | mlavalle: wonderful :D thanks for coming along mlavalle | 16:41 |
| asettle | mlavalle: have you had a peak at the Networking Guide by any chance? | 16:41 |
| asettle | amotoki has been helping us out with a bunch of stuff, which has been awesome | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | asettle : which channel? | 16:41 |
| mlavalle | asettle: well, I look at different chapters every now and then | 16:41 |
| asettle | dhellmann: #openstack-meeting-alt | 16:42 |
| asettle | mlavalle: Okay cool :) well, john-davidge was pretty hands on! Which was great | 16:42 |
| asettle | I don't know if you have the time for htat? | 16:42 |
| amotoki | mlavalle: this is useful for me https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/openstack-manuals+path:%255Edoc/networking-guide/.* | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | :-) So we have an official Cinder and Neutron Liaison now. | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | Is there some place I should indicate that in the wiki? | 16:42 |
| asettle | Yessss | 16:42 |
| asettle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Documentation | 16:42 |
| asettle | I was just about to shoot htat ot you | 16:42 |
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| asettle | that to you* | 16:42 |
| asettle | If you could both update, that'd be great | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | asettle: Thank you. | 16:43 |
| mlavalle | amotoki: am I stepping on your tows? Should you be the Neutron liaison? | 16:43 |
| asettle | Wellycomb | 16:43 |
| mlavalle | ^^^toes | 16:43 |
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| amotoki | mlavalle: np. it is yours. i have too many hats... | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | Done. | 16:44 |
| mlavalle | asettle: I have also too many hats. But this role was deemed important in a recent Neutron team meeting | 16:44 |
| amotoki | mlavalle: asettle: we can share the loads. no worries | 16:44 |
| asettle | Thanks for helping, it is important :) the Networking Guide is a highly valued doc and we really appreciate all updates and maintenance the neutron team can offer | 16:45 |
| asettle | THank you both :) I really appreciate that | 16:45 |
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| mlavalle | asettle: so I would like to get guidance from you and amotoki as to where help is critical | 16:45 |
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| ianychoi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-06-01-07.18.html | 16:45 |
| asettle | So, amotoki was picking up where John left off on this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1656378 | 16:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1656378 in openstack-manuals "Networking Guide uses RFC1918 IPv4 ranges instead of RFC5737" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Chason (chen-xing) | 16:46 |
| asettle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1656378 | 16:46 |
| asettle | This is a high priority for us | 16:46 |
| ianychoi | asettle, I think PDF support for translated documents would be possible. :) | 16:46 |
| amotoki | ah... the remaining part is to change IP address/cidr in figures | 16:46 |
| asettle | amotoki: ah wonderful! That's it?! | 16:46 |
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| asettle | ianychoi: wonderful :D | 16:46 |
| amotoki | I believe all stuffs in the rst contents have been clean up | 16:47 |
| asettle | Oh that's such good news! | 16:47 |
| asettle | Thank you amotoki :) | 16:47 |
| asettle | Okay, well, mlavalle that was a number one prio | 16:47 |
| amotoki | I will post changes in figures in this month | 16:47 |
| asettle | But I would appreciate bug tackling: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bugs?field.tag=networking-guide | 16:47 |
| mlavalle | asettle: ok, I'll keep an eye on that and will coordinate with amotoki | 16:48 |
| asettle | Also, I know John had some plans for improvements here | 16:48 |
| asettle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/networking-guide-improvements | 16:48 |
| amotoki | one difficult thing is the netwokring guide sometimes use too many networks :( | 16:48 |
| asettle | True that | 16:48 |
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| amotoki | we sometimes use four networks... | 16:48 |
| asettle | Jeez :P | 16:48 |
| amotoki | moving on ? | 16:49 |
| asettle | Hahha oh yes! Sorry, we're in open discussion | 16:49 |
| asettle | Anything from anyone else? :) | 16:49 |
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| asettle | Okay! Let's close it out :) | 16:50 |
| asettle | Thanks for coming guys :) | 16:50 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks! Enjoyed joining you all today. | 16:50 |
| rluethi | See you | 16:50 |
| asettle | Thanks for coming jungleboyj :) | 16:50 |
| asettle | o/ | 16:50 |
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| asettle | #endmeeting | 16:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:51 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 1 16:51:00 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-06-01-16.00.html | 16:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-06-01-16.00.txt | 16:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-06-01-16.00.log.html | 16:51 |
| ianychoi | Thank you all! | 16:51 |
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| mlavalle | bye asettle | 16:51 |
| amotoki | thanks all | 16:52 |
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| ianw | #startmeeting diskimage-builder | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 1 20:01:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ianw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: diskimage-builder)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'diskimage_builder' | 20:01 |
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| ianw | hello | 20:01 |
| andreas-f | Hello Ian! | 20:01 |
| ianw | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/diskimage-builder | 20:01 |
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| ianw | #topic Annoucements | 20:02 |
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| ianw | ahh, nothing | 20:03 |
| ianw | #topic Actions from last meeting | 20:03 |
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| ianw | I think we can skip this | 20:03 |
| andreas-f | Yep - Its quite a while... | 20:04 |
| ianw | #topic Testing | 20:04 |
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| ianw | sorry, forgot to add this to the agenda | 20:05 |
| andreas-f | np | 20:05 |
| ianw | bit of movement on suse out there as it goes towards the gate | 20:05 |
| ianw | i think moving the nodepool jobs to voting is a good idea | 20:05 |
| andreas-f | So we'll get a voting suse? | 20:06 |
| ianw | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469538/ nodepool jobs to voting | 20:06 |
| patchbot | patch 469538 - openstack-infra/project-config - diskimage-builder/glean: Upgrade nodepool-src-* jo... | 20:06 |
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| ianw | a voting job that boots it, at least. seeing as we broke it, also not the first time we've ignored the nodepool failures | 20:07 |
| andreas-f | Yes good point. | 20:07 |
| andreas-f | +1 | 20:08 |
| ianw | it does mean we're co-gating a bit on glean, to bring the vm up in devstack, but i think that's ok for the benefit of knowing it boots | 20:08 |
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| ianw | #agreed dib devstack/nodepool jobs to voting | 20:09 |
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| ianw | any more immediate testing issues? | 20:09 |
| ianw | i've just woken up, but i'm presuming setuptools has unbroken itself | 20:10 |
| andreas-f | I don't know of any testing issues. | 20:10 |
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| ianw | #topic Review review | 20:10 |
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| ianw | I don't think there's anything out there particularly stuck at the moment? | 20:11 |
| andreas-f | except the UEFI ;-) | 20:11 |
| ianw | oh | 20:11 |
| ianw | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468186/ | 20:11 |
| patchbot | patch 468186 - diskimage-builder - Drop support for Ubuntu precise | 20:11 |
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| ianw | I'm actually thinking we can think about dropping trusty | 20:12 |
| andreas-f | trusty might be in use. | 20:12 |
| andreas-f | I think it is not EOL. | 20:13 |
| andreas-f | EOL: April 2019 | 20:13 |
| ianw | sorry, i meant as a build platform, really part of the previous topic, if nobody is using it in the wild. it would only be 3rd party ci i think now, as infra has moved builders to xenial | 20:14 |
| andreas-f | But on the other side, we also dropped support for RHEL 6 / Centos 6... | 20:14 |
| andreas-f | Ah, ok. | 20:14 |
| andreas-f | Does this mean some simplification / unification? | 20:14 |
| ianw | trusty? i don't know, maybe. but anyway, unless there's objections i'm ok with precise removal | 20:15 |
| andreas-f | Yes - let's remove precise now. | 20:16 |
| ianw | #agreed merge 468186 | 20:16 |
| andreas-f | It looks that there are some dependencies for trusty: hpdsa element (never saw before). | 20:17 |
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| ianw | my only thought really was that we could remove the -trusty- jobs from the gate, and leave python2.7 testing up to centos | 20:18 |
| ianw | we can probably wait until there is a problem, or infra starts to wind-down trusty node support | 20:19 |
| ianw | any more pressing review requests? | 20:19 |
| andreas-f | Ok - maybe I think I'm missing something: how are these (somewhat) special elements (like hpdas element) tested? | 20:20 |
| andreas-f | For me it looks that this works only under trusty. | 20:20 |
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| andreas-f | So it we drop trusty, we should remove this element. | 20:20 |
| ianw | they are probably not, and have probably bit-rotted | 20:20 |
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| ianw | see that dracut kernel one doing the patching | 20:21 |
| andreas-f | So maybe a more general question: what do to with those elements? | 20:22 |
| ianw | i think, these days, we would probably suggest any new like that don't belong in dib core but as elements as part of your project | 20:22 |
| fungi | officially dropping support for precise is probably wise anyway since we'll (soon) cease to have servers we can test that on | 20:23 |
| ianw | as we find stuff broken and unused, remove it | 20:23 |
| andreas-f | It's hard to say if it is unused. | 20:23 |
| andreas-f | Maybe some project uses it? | 20:23 |
| ianw | we just have to use our best judgement, do some code searches/archaeology and respond if it turns out we did the wrong thing | 20:25 |
| fungi | if it's a project in the openstack ecosystem, you can look on http://codesearch.openstack.org/ | 20:25 |
| fungi | though i think we don't index stable branches, recent stable branches should be using constraints anyway | 20:26 |
| andreas-f | Ack. | 20:26 |
| andreas-f | Currenly we have 99 elements - should check how many of them are tested or used. | 20:26 |
| andreas-f | (long term thingy...) | 20:27 |
| ianw | i'm happy to consider things on a case-by-case basis, like when it comes time to remove trusty looking at elements that only work there | 20:29 |
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| ianw | i don't feel like going through everything is the best use of time; a broken but unused element doesn't really affect the core mission of getting a usable .qcow out | 20:30 |
| ianw | it just ... is | 20:30 |
| ianw | anyway, moving on | 20:31 |
| ianw | I guess everything else falls under | 20:31 |
| ianw | #topic Open Discussion | 20:31 |
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| andreas-f | Yes. | 20:31 |
| ianw | andreas-f: what is your priority there? | 20:32 |
| andreas-f | UEFI boot: because it's open since 14 month. | 20:32 |
| andreas-f | and it is an element which is IMHO a step forward. | 20:33 |
| ianw | ok, do we have a consumer that needs it? | 20:33 |
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| ianw | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287784/ | 20:33 |
| patchbot | patch 287784 - diskimage-builder - Add support for building images capable of UEFI | 20:33 |
| andreas-f | I personally don't know of one. | 20:34 |
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| andreas-f | I know that HP uses it in one of the products. | 20:34 |
| andreas-f | And I don't know if Yonalda needs this for her security. | 20:34 |
| ianw | HP ... HP ... that's a company that used to exist, right? <joking> | 20:34 |
| ianw | so 287784 is not based on dib-block-device at all? | 20:35 |
| andreas-f | Yes, that the major problem. | 20:35 |
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| andreas-f | And there are another two: | 20:36 |
| andreas-f | 1) Missing GPT support | 20:36 |
| andreas-f | 2) old bootloader element | 20:36 |
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| ianw | so 1) ... writing our own mbr stuff is already super complex | 20:37 |
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| ianw | do we need to actually implement gpt writing? | 20:37 |
| ianw | i did not understand why we did not just write out a parted/sfdisk script and get that to do all that | 20:37 |
| andreas-f | I know: do you know a usable library here? | 20:37 |
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| ianw | os.system(parted) | 20:38 |
| ianw | not sure it's a library :) | 20:38 |
| andreas-f | parted *is* a library; but GPL. | 20:38 |
| andreas-f | Here are some more arguments: | 20:39 |
| andreas-f | https://github.com/openstack/diskimage-builder/blob/master/diskimage_builder/block_device/level1/mbr.py#L27 | 20:39 |
| ianw | right, i kind of got that looking back in the history why we didn't link against it, but we can call it? | 20:39 |
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| andreas-f | Yes; I used it in the first versions of block_device. | 20:39 |
| andreas-f | It does not do what you want... | 20:40 |
| andreas-f | ... but what it thinks you want ;-( | 20:40 |
| andreas-f | These tools want to 'optimize' things; and I did not find a way to switch this off. | 20:41 |
| ianw | ok, well i just think finding someone to write low-level, like byte-level GPT partitioning code is tough, and then to also have two people give it decent review, and maintain it is ... unlikely | 20:42 |
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| ianw | how does guestfish do it's partitioning in the back end? | 20:44 |
| ianw | could we just use that? | 20:44 |
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| andreas-f | I'm just looking.... | 20:46 |
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| andreas-f | too big... will do this offline. | 20:47 |
| ianw | daemon/parted.c seems to be it | 20:47 |
| andreas-f | it's also GPL. | 20:48 |
| ianw | it is essentially system() calling out to parted, AFAICS | 20:48 |
| ianw | well, not copy it, but it suggests to me that probably getting an external tool to do it is going to be a better way forward than writing it from scratch | 20:48 |
| andreas-f | Yes - system() | 20:48 |
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| andreas-f | Did not check parted for GPT until now. Maybe we could use it at least for GPT. | 20:50 |
| ianw | seems to have bits for parted/sfdisk/sgdisk all together | 20:50 |
| ianw | maybe it requires some combo | 20:50 |
| andreas-f | I checked all of them for MBR - all of them using some /sys-fs access to get some buffer infos. | 20:51 |
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| andreas-f | ... which they will use for 'optimizations'. | 20:51 |
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| andreas-f | So calling 'parted' might be a solution. | 20:52 |
| andreas-f | 2) bootloader element refactoring is needed | 20:53 |
| andreas-f | IMHO we should split the bootloader into a grub and extlinux. | 20:53 |
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| ianw | is this another case of who's using extlinux? | 20:54 |
| andreas-f | Yes ;-) | 20:54 |
| andreas-f | Then there is the need to get all the needed info from the block device layer and push it into the bootloader element. | 20:54 |
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| andreas-f | Hmmmm.... | 20:55 |
| andreas-f | So thinking about this: | 20:55 |
| andreas-f | A lot of work - and maybe nobody really needs / uses it. | 20:55 |
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| ianw | right, that was my next point, i presume you're wanting to drive all this? | 20:56 |
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| andreas-f | Maybe we should ask Yolanda if this is needed for some kind of 'secure boot'? | 20:56 |
| ianw | yes, let's sync with her on this, and it's priority to LVM | 20:56 |
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| andreas-f | Ack. | 20:56 |
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| ianw | i think starting at the bottom would work best. there is quite a bit of unit testing templating going on in dib-block-device now | 20:57 |
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| andreas-f | Yes - saw the patches (which currently all fail...) | 20:57 |
| ianw | i think any gpt implementation in there can be put in and relatively well tested | 20:57 |
| ianw | the current failures were setuptools related, that should be fixed now | 20:58 |
| ianw | then we can start building the elements ontop of it | 20:58 |
| andreas-f | Ok - will check tomorrow. | 20:58 |
| ianw | so, to summarise on this | 20:58 |
| ianw | 1. sync with yolanda on relative importance | 20:59 |
| ianw | 2. thoroughly investigate external tools for writing partitions, with reference to things like guestfish | 20:59 |
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| andreas-f | Ack. | 20:59 |
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| ianw | 3. start at implementation within dib-block-device at least covered by unit testing | 21:00 |
| ianw | alright, well that feels like some progress | 21:00 |
| ianw | we've hit 1 hour | 21:00 |
| andreas-f | Yes saw this. | 21:00 |
| andreas-f | Ok - then: have a nice day. | 21:01 |
| andreas-f | Talk / mail / review in some hours. | 21:01 |
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| andreas-f | (Here it is 23:00 and I need some sleep now....) | 21:01 |
| ianw | ok, thanks. 7am and i need some breakfast :) ttyl | 21:02 |
| ianw | #endmeeting | 21:02 |
| andreas-f | see you. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 1 21:02:31 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diskimage_builder/2017/diskimage_builder.2017-06-01-20.01.html | 21:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diskimage_builder/2017/diskimage_builder.2017-06-01-20.01.txt | 21:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diskimage_builder/2017/diskimage_builder.2017-06-01-20.01.log.html | 21:02 |
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