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| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 05:30 |
|---|---|---|
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 8 05:30:39 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 05:30 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Roll Call | 05:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:30 | |
| sridhar_ram | who is here for tacker meeting? | 05:30 |
| gongysh | me | 05:31 |
| tbh | o/ | 05:31 |
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| YanXing_an | o/ | 05:32 |
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| sripriya | o/ | 05:32 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: tbh: YanXing_an: sripriya: howdy all ! | 05:32 |
| sridhar_ram | any silent participants want to say hi ? :) | 05:32 |
| janki | o/ | 05:32 |
| sridhar_ram | let's start | 05:33 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Agenda | 05:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:33 | |
| sridhar_ram | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_Feb_8th.2C_2017 | 05:33 |
| sridhar_ram | Ocata release status is implicit :) | 05:33 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Announcements | 05:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:33 | |
| sridhar_ram | few quick things... | 05:33 |
| sridhar_ram | First, gongysh is elected as Tacker PTL for Pike.. | 05:34 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: hearty congratulations !! | 05:34 |
| YanXing_an | congratulation! | 05:34 |
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| gongysh | Thanks. a big load sensed. | 05:35 |
| janki | congratulations gongysh | 05:35 |
| sripriya | gongysh: congrats! | 05:35 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: I'm very happy you stepped up to take this project fwd.. will be there to help as needed | 05:35 |
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| diga | o/ | 05:35 |
| KanagarajM | hi | 05:35 |
| tung_doan | hi all | 05:35 |
| tbh | congrats gongysh! | 05:35 |
| diga | gongysh: Congrats! | 05:35 |
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| gongysh | thanks all. | 05:35 |
| KanagarajM | Hearty Congratulations Gongysh !! | 05:35 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: congrats!!! | 05:36 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, KanagarajM , thanks | 05:36 |
| sridhar_ram | Next.. Tacker team mascot .. | 05:36 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-ruQ8Tx46wSTDRUd0dneW9GZEZXdkVXdkxpRE9FNmtNRUV3 | 05:36 |
| sridhar_ram | If you've any suggestion to improve please respond to the ML email from me | 05:37 |
| sridhar_ram | IMO, Giant 'Tacker' Squid looks cool ! | 05:37 |
| gongysh | What is the original meaning for 'tacker'? | 05:38 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, yup it's looks very cool than previous version we had | 05:38 |
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| sridhar_ram | Next.. in case you missed.. | 05:38 |
| sridhar_ram | #info Boston Call for Papers deadline is extended to February 8th at 11:59pm PST (February 9th at 7:59 UTC)! | 05:38 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: agree! | 05:38 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: it is derived from "Tacking" to mean - "Tacking VNFs and Network Services to Telco cloud" :) | 05:39 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: roughly means "Stapler" | 05:40 |
| * sridhar_ram checking if s3wong is around | 05:40 | |
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| sridhar_ram | #info Tacker RDO rpm packages are now available .. | 05:40 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://trunk.rdoproject.org/centos7-master/current/openstack-tacker-0.6.1-0.20170203211914.bd52254.el7.centos.noarch.rpm | 05:40 |
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| sridhar_ram | this helps in quickly deploying tacker in CentOS / Fedora | 05:41 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, ok. I like the feet of the mascot | 05:41 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: :) | 05:41 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: link is broken? | 05:41 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: works for me, can someone else confirm ? | 05:42 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, for me, it complains link is broken | 05:42 |
| tung_doan | does not work for me. it's broken | 05:42 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, it is opening for me too | 05:42 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: its not working for me | 05:43 |
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| YanXing_an | URL not found on server | 05:43 |
| tbh | this is the one https://trunk.rdoproject.org/centos7-master/current/openstack-tacker-0.6.1-0.20170208005202.5b245d6.el7.centos.noarch.rpm i guess | 05:43 |
| gongysh | GONGYSH-3:tacker yongshenggong$ wget https://trunk.rdoproject.org/centos7-master/current/openstack-tacker-0.6.1-0.20170203211914.bd52254.el7.centos.noarch.rpm | 05:43 |
| gongysh | --2017-02-08 13:43:25-- https://trunk.rdoproject.org/centos7-master/current/openstack-tacker-0.6.1-0.20170203211914.bd52254.el7.centos.noarch.rpm | 05:43 |
| gongysh | Resolving trunk.rdoproject.org... 54.81.116.189 | 05:43 |
| gongysh | Connecting to trunk.rdoproject.org|54.81.116.189|:443... connected. | 05:43 |
| gongysh | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found | 05:43 |
| gongysh | 2017-02-08 13:43:27 ERROR 404: Not Found. | 05:43 |
| sripriya | tbh: thanks works now | 05:43 |
| sridhar_ram | #link goo.gl/xZW3k5 | 05:44 |
| sridhar_ram | please try ^^^ | 05:44 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, the above redorects to tacker mascor | 05:44 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: sounds good.. | 05:45 |
| sridhar_ram | here is one more from my email .. http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/attachments/20170207/663ee9f7/attachment.jpeg | 05:45 |
| tbh | s/redorects/redirects | 05:45 |
| sridhar_ram | anyways, let's move on | 05:45 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Ocata Release | 05:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata Release (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:46 | |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 05:46 |
| sridhar_ram | I need to cut final release image by next Wed Feb 15th | 05:46 |
| sridhar_ram | No exceptions | 05:46 |
| sridhar_ram | All fixes need to merge by coming Friday Feb 10th .. so that we leave few days for critical bug fixes | 05:47 |
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| sridhar_ram | .. and preparing the final release notes | 05:47 |
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| sridhar_ram | let's go over the few outstanding items | 05:48 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: VNF inline BP | 05:48 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: did you had a chance to root cause the FT failure ? | 05:48 |
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| janki | sridhar_ram, The doc is left and a fix in server patch | 05:48 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, yupe, found the cause for FT failure. 2 of them where failing. solved 1, working on the other | 05:49 |
| janki | s/where/were | 05:49 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: okay, i assume this can be wrapped by Friday? | 05:49 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, it will be done by then | 05:49 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: thanks | 05:49 |
| janki | :) | 05:50 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: VNFC template support | 05:50 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, I hosted the image in github, and FT is passing | 05:50 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: is that the only outstanding item for VNFC ? | 05:50 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, yes, and gongysh comments to provide how softwareconfig works, but it is more of how heat softwareconfig works | 05:51 |
| gongysh | tbh, I want to have a guide to help users to use the tacker VNFC | 05:52 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: okay, let's discuss image hosting in the next topic.. | 05:52 |
| gongysh | tbh, I don't need the under cover of how it works. | 05:53 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: agree, we shouldn't "leak" heat through tacker ;-) | 05:54 |
| tbh | gongysh, but I gave the instructions for writing VNFC in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358321/15/doc/source/devref/vnf_component_usage_guide.rst | 05:54 |
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| sridhar_ram | gongysh: i saw this ^^^ guide as well.. what are we missing in the guide? | 05:55 |
| tbh | gongysh, and I need to remove vnfc_driver from that usage guide, so no need to discuss about vnfc_driver in that guide | 05:55 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, tbh : please write a complete user guide here. | 05:56 |
| gongysh | where is the install_vnfc.sh put? | 05:56 |
| gongysh | shoudl I use metadata service in NFVI or config_driver? | 05:56 |
| gongysh | and the exact steps for this feature. | 05:56 |
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| gongysh | this is the comments on the review. | 05:56 |
| tbh | gongysh, okay I will add the details about placement of shell script and mandatory services to run to support this feature | 05:57 |
| gongysh | anyway, I need a guide to set up the test env. but this guide is not enough. | 05:57 |
| tbh | gongysh, but I couldn't understand what do you mean by exact steps for this feature | 05:57 |
| gongysh | tbh, thanks | 05:57 |
| gongysh | I mean the complete guide that can be used set up the env. step by step. | 05:58 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: perhaps the steps how to (a) include heat agent, (2) place install script and (3) writing TOSCA template to invoke the script | 05:58 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, part (1) and (3) are already covered | 05:59 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: okay | 05:59 |
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| gongysh | tbh, the provided tosca is also not a complete one. | 05:59 |
| tbh | gongysh, I don't think we do need any extra setup apart from the image building | 06:00 |
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| gongysh | tbh, anyway, let's move on. | 06:00 |
| gongysh | I can set up a test env even without a guide. :) | 06:01 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: yes, let's take this offline in the review | 06:01 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: i can help if needed | 06:01 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Hosting VNF images | 06:01 |
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| sridhar_ram | As you know, VNFC work that tbh is leading needs to host a Fedora image with heat-agent | 06:01 |
| sridhar_ram | We also have a need to host openstack friendly openwrt image .. | 06:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | See https://review.openstack.org/421340 | 06:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | I was wondering if we use this need as a oppurtunity to build a repo of VNF images validated with Tacker | 06:03 |
| sridhar_ram | Perhaps a new repo .. github.com/openstac/tacker-images | 06:03 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, yup that would be helpful | 06:04 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, this came to my mind when you are talking tacker core can control. | 06:04 |
| sridhar_ram | I think this will help Tacker's adoption as well.. potential users will find ready to try VNF images | 06:04 |
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| sridhar_ram | today it is difficult to start using Tacker in a meaningful way after installation | 06:05 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: gongysh: ack | 06:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | How about if we can host these two images (fedora-heat & openwrt) in a special github that tacker-cores have access | 06:06 |
| sridhar_ram | .. and then approach openstack TC to create a repo for us.. | 06:06 |
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| sridhar_ram | .. based on the github repo | 06:06 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, ok, let's do it if the TC agree. | 06:07 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: worst case, if TC doesn't agree .. atleast the "external" git repo will be under the control of tacker cores .. | 06:07 |
| gongysh | but how about just using a github repo with all core's public key can access | 06:08 |
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| sridhar_ram | today it is under 3rd party community member | 06:08 |
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| sridhar_ram | gongysh: well, I'm assuming this interim repo is just a temporary repo until TC gets us going | 06:08 |
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| sridhar_ram | hopefully once Ocata release is out, we can approach TC | 06:09 |
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| sridhar_ram | I also learnt projects like Kolla, Ironic use tarballs.openstack.org to host images | 06:10 |
| sridhar_ram | http://tarballs.openstack.org/kolla/images/ | 06:10 |
| sridhar_ram | but looks this is dynamically generated by dsvm runs .. that is an overkill for us | 06:11 |
| sridhar_ram | I'll take care of creating the common image repo for now ... | 06:11 |
| sridhar_ram | #action sridhar_ram to create a common tacker-images repo | 06:12 |
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| sridhar_ram | moving on | 06:12 |
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| sridhar_ram | venkatamahesh here by anychance ? | 06:12 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: are you here? | 06:13 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Ocata Critical Bug | 06:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata Critical Bug (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 06:13 | |
| sridhar_ram | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1660960 | 06:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1660960 in tacker "ADD_INSTALLED_APPS in _80_nfv.py file" [Critical,New] | 06:13 |
| sridhar_ram | this is a critical bug in tacker-horizon .. | 06:14 |
| sridhar_ram | when tacker-horizon is enabled some other UI screens (like Project -> Compute -> Images) doesn't render | 06:14 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: looks you stumbled into this as well ? | 06:14 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, yes | 06:15 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: | 06:15 |
| sridhar_ram | any volunteers who can help take this up? | 06:15 |
| sridhar_ram | I'll find someone offline if there is no interest | 06:16 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else related to Ocata release? | 06:16 |
| gongysh | I will try to ask horizon guys in 99cloud to tackle it. | 06:16 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: thanks a lot ! | 06:17 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, this line creates the problem https://github.com/openstack/tacker-horizon/blob/master/tacker_horizon/enabled/_80_nfv.py#L18 | 06:17 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: I see ... | 06:17 |
| sridhar_ram | there is also a related "enhancement" .. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429767/ | 06:18 |
| sridhar_ram | to move NFV under "Project" instead of being at the top-level | 06:18 |
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| sridhar_ram | Regarding Ocata the door will close soon, if it upto the contributors to actively reach out to core-reviewers to have your patchset merge | 06:19 |
| sridhar_ram | moving to the next topic | 06:20 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Pike PTG Topics | 06:20 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-pike-grooming | 06:20 |
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| sridhar_ram | gongysh: I'm assuming you will be driving this meeting | 06:20 |
| gongysh | ok | 06:21 |
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| tung_doan | sridhar_ram, gongysh : abut Life-cycle mgmt for E2E service | 06:21 |
| sridhar_ram | To move quickly, may I propose to use Wed Feb 22 (around this weekly meeting time) as the time slot? | 06:22 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, no problem for me. | 06:22 |
| gongysh | all topic there should have a doc to elaborate the in question feature by then. | 06:23 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: sure | 06:24 |
| sridhar_ram | how about we start "Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 05:00:00" | 06:24 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20170222&p1=283&p2=33&p3=235&p4=176 | 06:24 |
| tbh | +1 | 06:24 |
| sridhar_ram | we can go for 4 - 6 hours and finish in one go ? | 06:24 |
| gongysh | ok | 06:25 |
| diga | yes, that will be good | 06:25 |
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| sridhar_ram | or .. we can come back to start at the sametime the next day | 06:25 |
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| sridhar_ram | perhaps 4 hours each day | 06:25 |
| sridhar_ram | any preference ? | 06:25 |
| sridhar_ram | if no preference, lets shoot to finish in one "day" | 06:26 |
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| sridhar_ram | gongysh: we can discuss the logistics offline | 06:26 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, ok | 06:27 |
| * sridhar_ram we are almost out of time | 06:27 | |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Open Discussion | 06:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 06:27 | |
| sridhar_ram | anything else? | 06:27 |
| gongysh | the mistral server | 06:28 |
| gongysh | it should be with tacker, not target NFVI. | 06:28 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: yes | 06:28 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: it doesn't make sense to use target VIM / NFVI's creds | 06:29 |
| gongysh | so lets' have a test to verify the NSD can work with this intention | 06:29 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: that is something we need to enhance, to do multi-vim test in CI | 06:29 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, I will set up a env to do it manually. | 06:30 |
| sridhar_ram | openstack CI doesn't have support.. i know tricircle is also looking into this | 06:30 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: sounds good | 06:30 |
| sridhar_ram | i can see this project is going to a very good hands :) | 06:30 |
| sridhar_ram | thanks everyone !! | 06:30 |
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| sridhar_ram | times up | 06:30 |
| sridhar_ram | #endmeeting | 06:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 06:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 8 06:30:44 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-02-08-05.30.html | 06:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-02-08-05.30.txt | 06:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-02-08-05.30.log.html | 06:30 |
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| joehuang | hello | 13:00 |
| zhiyuan | hi | 13:00 |
| dongfeng | hi | 13:00 |
| Yipei | hi | 13:00 |
| yinxiulin | hi | 13:00 |
| fanyishi | hi | 13:00 |
| joehuang | welcome back | 13:00 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 8 13:00:57 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:01 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:01 | |
| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:01 |
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| Yipei | #info Yipei | 13:01 |
| yinxiulin | #info xiulin | 13:01 |
| dongfeng | #info dongfeng | 13:01 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:02 |
| fanyishi | #info fanyishi | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | #topic Ocata release dates | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata release dates (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:03 | |
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| joehuang | Now only one "must to have" patch left in the review queue for Ocata release | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424601/ | 13:04 |
| Guest35585 | #info jiawei | 13:04 |
| joehuang | after this patch get merged, we'll create a RC release and ocata branch | 13:04 |
| joehuang | need to do regression test for features after the rc release is created | 13:05 |
| joehuang | to verify that features basic functionalities work well | 13:05 |
| joehuang | the branch will be created on Friday | 13:06 |
| joehuang | and regression test after then, to Feb.15 | 13:06 |
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| joehuang | Ocata release on Feb.16 | 13:06 |
| joehuang | 3 days for regression test, all urgent bugs, please report and submit patch, and contact me and zhiyuan for fast review and approvement | 13:07 |
| joehuang | we'll stay in the IRC channel to close urgent fix AFAP. | 13:08 |
| joehuang | Every one who submitted features need to test his own feature | 13:08 |
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| joehuang | to make sure the function work | 13:09 |
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| joehuang | Any question? | 13:09 |
| zhiyuan | no | 13:09 |
| dongfeng | no | 13:09 |
| Yipei | no | 13:09 |
| joehuang | For example, for routing feature | 13:09 |
| yinxiulin | no | 13:09 |
| joehuang | need to verify the routing api work well | 13:10 |
| joehuang | basic functionalities | 13:10 |
| joehuang | no need to test all scenarios | 13:10 |
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| joehuang | especially for abnormal scenarios, you may have no enough time to simulate the condition | 13:11 |
| joehuang | ok, if no other question, we'll create Ocata branch once the patch get merged | 13:11 |
| joehuang | then I'll send messgae in IRC channel to start the regression test | 13:12 |
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| joehuang | #info Ocata branch this Friday or early | 13:13 |
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| joehuang | #info after then, start regression test until Feb.15 | 13:13 |
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| joehuang | #info formal Ocata release Feb.16 | 13:13 |
| joehuang | #info stay in tough in IRC to make fast response to any bug in your feature (if there) | 13:14 |
| joehuang | ok | 13:14 |
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| joehuang | Hello, xiongqiu and Jiawei, do you have any question? | 13:15 |
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| joehuang | seems that his network broken | 13:15 |
| joehuang | #topic Pike meetup before PTG | 13:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pike meetup before PTG (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:16 | |
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| joehuang | hello, the PTG will be held Feb.20~Feb.24 at Atalanta | 13:17 |
| joehuang | Zhiyuan will be the representative from Huawei | 13:17 |
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| joehuang | is there any other one will go to Atalanta? | 13:18 |
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| Yipei | no for members of HUST | 13:19 |
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| joehuang | ok, I remembered that we'd plan to have a meetup for those who can't go to Atalanta | 13:20 |
| joehuang | so how about next Friday (Feb.17) at Shenzhen, Huawei Industrial Base | 13:20 |
| hejiawei | no question, I am reading document to learn to developer network | 13:21 |
| hejiawei | thany you joe, happy new year | 13:21 |
| joehuang | welcome jiawei | 13:21 |
| joehuang | Is it feasible for you to have a meetup at Shenzhen | 13:22 |
| joehuang | next Friday, the day after the release date | 13:22 |
| Yipei | dongfeng and I will attend the meeting in Shenzhen | 13:24 |
| hejiawei | I I'm afraid I can't come | 13:24 |
| joehuang | ok | 13:24 |
| joehuang | so let's hold a meetup next Friday to discuss features implementation for Pike | 13:26 |
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| joehuang | #info Pike meetup on next Friday(Feb.17) at Huawei Industrial Base, Shenzhen | 13:27 |
| joehuang | #info meetup etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tricircle-pike-design-topics | 13:28 |
| hejiawei | I will told ronghui | 13:28 |
| joehuang | so please prepare your topics and what need to discuss, then let's discuss f2f | 13:29 |
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| joehuang | to Jiawei, thanks | 13:29 |
| joehuang | #topic need help from PTG | 13:30 |
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| joehuang | hello, Zhiyuan will go to Atalanta for the PTG | 13:30 |
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| joehuang | what topic do you want to discuss in PTG? Zhiyuan may help you on this | 13:31 |
| joehuang | as our project's representative | 13:31 |
| dongfeng2 | hi, how long will the f2f gathering last in shenzhen? | 13:32 |
| joehuang | do you have any challenge need to address by other projects? | 13:33 |
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| joehuang | from 9:00am to 4:00pm | 13:34 |
| joehuang | what's your suggestion? | 13:34 |
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| joehuang | if no other proposal, it's fine to work on this time slot | 13:38 |
| joehuang | #topic open discussion | 13:39 |
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| joehuang | any topics? | 13:39 |
| Yipei | yes | 13:39 |
| joehuang | please, Yipei | 13:39 |
| Yipei | i do some investigation on allowed address pair | 13:39 |
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| Yipei | and update the topic in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tricircle-pike-design-topics | 13:40 |
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| joehuang | Great | 13:41 |
| Yipei | no need to sync the info of the port across OpenStacks | 13:41 |
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| Yipei | To support load balancing in tricircle in one region, enable allowed address pair in local neutron may work. | 13:42 |
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| joehuang | how about the loadbalance in RegionOne, but the member in RegionTwo | 13:43 |
| Yipei | In respect of balancing load among members across OpenStacks, i will do more investigation on the scheme of adding members. | 13:44 |
| joehuang | LB(RegionOne) and the member(RegionTwo) in same network, or in different network | 13:44 |
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| joehuang | thank you, same thoughts | 13:44 |
| joehuang | please go on your investigation, and let's discuss more next week | 13:45 |
| Yipei | ok | 13:45 |
| Yipei | for extra-routes | 13:45 |
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| Yipei | is it related to the external router? | 13:46 |
| joehuang | extra-routes is from the concerns if LB and member is not in same network, and in different OpenStack | 13:47 |
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| Yipei | i see, i will go on investigation on the scheme of adding members | 13:47 |
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| joehuang | You can run Ocatavia and Tricircle now? | 13:47 |
| Yipei | no, the reason is the local neutron does not support allowed address pair | 13:48 |
| joehuang | of only Ocatavia, without Tricircle | 13:48 |
| joehuang | I see | 13:48 |
| Yipei | of only octavia, it works | 13:48 |
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| joehuang | Good | 13:49 |
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| joehuang | other topic? | 13:49 |
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| Yipei | no for me now | 13:50 |
| zhiyuan | no from me | 13:50 |
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| joehuang | Please review the patch for VxLAN L2 networking | 13:50 |
| dongfeng2 | no for me | 13:50 |
| yinxiulin | no for me | 13:50 |
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| joehuang | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429155/ | 13:50 |
| joehuang | thanks for attending the meeting | 13:50 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:51 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 8 13:51:05 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-02-08-13.00.html | 13:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-02-08-13.00.txt | 13:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-02-08-13.00.log.html | 13:51 |
| joehuang | bye | 13:51 |
| dongfeng2 | bye. | 13:51 |
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| zhiyuan | bye | 13:51 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 8 16:00:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Howdy | 16:00 |
| dulek | hi! | 16:00 |
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| hemna | yough | 16:00 |
| viks | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex karthikp_ patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell stevemar watanabe.isao,tommylikehu | 16:00 |
| tommylikehu_ | hi | 16:00 |
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| xyang1 | hi | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | Hello. | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | mdovgal ildikov wxy viks ketonne | 16:00 |
| erlon | hey | 16:00 |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| mdovgal | hello) | 16:00 |
| mtanino | o/ | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Dang it, we had a nice short agenda when I looked this morning. :) | 16:00 |
| geguileo | o/ | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:01 | |
| tommylikehu_ | good news | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | I'll keep it short. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Summit CFP has been extended, so a few more days to get in talk proposals. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | I believe the current deadline is the 8th. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-cinder-ptg-planning PTG topic planning | 16:02 |
| wxy| | o/ | 16:02 |
| dulek | So just around 15 hours left | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | I'll try to organize topic ideas for the PTG ahead of the event. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Wow, I didn't even realize today was the 8th. :D | 16:02 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Hello :) | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Isn't it still January? | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | :) | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis, Neither did I. :-) | 16:03 |
| patrickeast | o/ | 16:03 |
| dulek | Technically the CFP deadline is February 9th my time. ;) Timezones are hard. | 16:03 |
| pots | o/ | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | dulek: You get bonus time. ;) | 16:03 |
| Swanson | hi | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | I've started to update the etherpad. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | Will do more I'm sure after the PTG discussions, but it's a start for Pike focus. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | Final RC for Ocata needs to be next week. So if we have any critical bug fixes that need to make it in, make sure you are proposing backports to stable/ocata. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | master is pike now | 16:05 |
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| Swanson | thank you igor | 16:05 |
| viks | kul | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Doesn't look like the pike schedule has been finalized yet, but that will be available here: | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html Pike Schedule (coming soon) | 16:05 |
| tommylikehu_ | smcginnis: ready to merge the codes for pike? | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | tommylikehu_: Yes, we can approve patches for Pike now since master is what will become pike. But we should really focus on wrapping up Ocata where needed yet. | 16:06 |
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| mdovgal | let's the merge party started) | 16:06 |
| tommylikehu_ | smcginnis: ok | 16:07 |
| dulek | smcginnis: Pike schedule draft: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425254/ | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | Oh, also just wanted to drop the idea of a Cinder outing/gathering in Atlanta. Maybe Tuesday night? Just something to think about for now. | 16:07 |
| dulek | And rendered: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/54/425254/2/check/gate-releases-docs-ubuntu-xenial/74aaf33//doc/build/html/pike/schedule.html | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Thanks! | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | #topic A/A certification of the drivers | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: lLl yours. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | *all | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | fail | 16:08 |
| dulek | I just wanted to start up the discussion around A/A support for drivers. | 16:08 |
| dulek | There are two points of view - vendor and community drivers. | 16:08 |
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| dulek | Should we require something special (CI? test results and logs?) from vendors to prove that their drivers are A/A capable, or do we just trust their own internal testing? | 16:08 |
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| hemna | dulek, isn't the first step in the drivers is to change the local file locks to the coordinator locks? | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | My inclination is to just trust their internal testing. | 16:09 |
| dulek | hemna: Yes, but I think some drivers already did that. | 16:09 |
| hemna | dulek, ok, there are plenty that still have the local file locks | 16:09 |
| hemna | and even some drivers trying to add new local locks | 16:09 |
| hemna | I've been -1'ing those | 16:09 |
| erlon | dulek: while we don't haev a way to assert vendors are really supporting we wil lhave to rely on that | 16:09 |
| dulek | hemna: It may be that sometimes just a local, thread-level lock is required. | 16:09 |
| dulek | hemna: Then it's fine not to use coordination module. | 16:10 |
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| geguileo | hemna: Not all locks need to be changed | 16:10 |
| hemna | sure, but on API entry points..... | 16:10 |
| patrickeast | The special CI would be cool, but it would be pretty hard to have an automated suite that gives high confidence there were no issues for it | 16:10 |
| dulek | I'm also on the side of requiring no CI - that require a huge amount of resources. | 16:10 |
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| geguileo | dulek: I'm ok as well, as long as we define a testing protocol | 16:10 |
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| geguileo | That vendros can follow to validate their envs | 16:11 |
| geguileo | s/envs/drivers | 16:11 |
| geguileo | The basic stuff would be running tempest tests | 16:11 |
| dulek | geguileo: Good point, would be cool to have it. We could require posting the results before accepting the patch that switches SUPPORTS_ACTIVE_ACTIVE. | 16:11 |
| geguileo | dulek: Like we did last week | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: I like that. Some basic guidance of what should be tested. | 16:11 |
| viks | :| | 16:11 |
| hemna | this doesn't lend a lot of confidence in A/A | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | Then if they want to do additional testing they can, but they at least know the minimum we think should be covered. | 16:12 |
| erlon | further more, we don't yet have tests that inject failures, | 16:12 |
| geguileo | I believe scottda_phone was looking into this | 16:12 |
| mdovgal | dulek, +1 | 16:12 |
| scottda_phone | geguileo: I haven't developed anything yet... | 16:12 |
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| scottda_phone | But I'd like a plan to do some error injection, at least manually | 16:12 |
| geguileo | erlon: I should be working on that, but I'm enjoying some multipath fun :-( | 16:12 |
| dulek | I've seen a Mirantis fault-injection framework somewhere. | 16:12 |
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| dulek | os-faults was it called | 16:12 |
| dulek | ? | 16:12 |
| geguileo | dulek: That's not great for us... | 16:13 |
| dulek | https://github.com/openstack/os-faults | 16:13 |
| geguileo | dulek: It basically allows you to kill the service | 16:13 |
| geguileo | And some more actions | 16:13 |
| geguileo | but you can't control where in the code you are | 16:13 |
| geguileo | so you can't actually control if you are testing what you want to test | 16:13 |
| dulek | geguileo: Oh, right, without that tests are non-deterministic. | 16:13 |
| geguileo | yup | 16:13 |
| erlon | geguileo: hmm, that is so hateful, I run miles not to touch FC | 16:13 |
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| geguileo | erlon: It's iSCSI this time | 16:14 |
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| geguileo | Before discussing the tool/library to use | 16:14 |
| erlon | geguileo: hmm, much better then | 16:14 |
| geguileo | We may want to talk about what we want tested | 16:14 |
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| dulek | I guess that's too big for this meeting. | 16:15 |
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| erlon | geguileo: we could start by the main areas you addressed in the initial specs for AA | 16:15 |
| geguileo | yeah, but I think that's where we should start | 16:15 |
| scottda | But we should discuss at PTG | 16:15 |
| dulek | But we have this great conclusion that we should have a required test plan for vendors to run to get A/A badge. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, probably better at the PTG. And/or in channel or the testing meeting. | 16:16 |
| erlon | scottda: +1 | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | dulek: +1 | 16:16 |
| geguileo | vendors probably have ideas of what parts of their drivers could have issues | 16:16 |
| geguileo | And we can use that feedback | 16:16 |
| dulek | Definitely. | 16:16 |
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| scottda | Plus should be some areas generic to all drivers. | 16:16 |
| scottda | i.e. stuff from geguileo 's manual tests | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | It might vary between vendors too, so I think having a base set of tests, then leaving the rest up to each vendor to test whatever else they feel is important internally is good. | 16:17 |
| geguileo | scottda: But even for the specific cases, we would want to test those cases in all drivers | 16:17 |
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| scottda | geguileo: yes, I agree | 16:17 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: I think even the specifics should be run by all drivers | 16:17 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: Even if you don't have problems with that case, it's always best to be sure | 16:18 |
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| dulek | geguileo: If we'll get some docs from vendors that describe their specific cases - that's fine to include them, but it isn't a perfect world. ;) | 16:18 |
| geguileo | dulek: I wasn't looking for something so formal | 16:19 |
| geguileo | I'm ok with: "we could have problems if you run operation x and opration y simultaneously" | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | I was going to ask if we were talking about having vendors document what they were doing. | 16:19 |
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| jungleboyj | This is going to be one of those features that the amount of testing and pressure that goes into it is going to depend on what the vendor's customers are pushing. | 16:20 |
| dulek | geguileo: Oh, right, that works for me. It's just I don't expect all of vendors will give such feedback. But it will be welcomed. | 16:20 |
| scottda | Well, the customers are the testers, right? | 16:21 |
| scottda | :) | 16:21 |
| geguileo | lol | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | I'd really rather not make this a heavy process. I think giving guidance on what areas are interesting is good, but then just leaving it at the vendor saying, yes, we are comfortable with our driver being used in production with this. | 16:21 |
| dulek | scottda: Aren't you that "testing guy"? | 16:21 |
| dulek | :D | 16:21 |
| geguileo | dulek: I'll try to do it for the RBD driver | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | hah | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | scottda, Maybe your's are. :-) | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | dulek, Good point. | 16:21 |
| dulek | Okay, with geguileo note about RBD - we're at community drivers now. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | We can share our experiences. | 16:22 |
| dulek | How do we plan to test vendorless drivers? | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis, That makes sense. Heavy Weight process won't be followed anyway. | 16:22 |
| erlon | dulek: gate? | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Not without a lot of effort on our part. ;) | 16:22 |
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| dulek | erlon: Could be, although I don't know how many more gates can we add without infra being upset about it. | 16:23 |
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| scottda | at least could be experimental | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | dulek: We could leave it to those vendors/communities. I.e., Red Hat can test and claim that Ceph is good, Linbit can validate sheepdog, etc. | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | And until they decide to do that, those just won't be marked as A/A capable. | 16:24 |
| erlon | dulek: hmm, yeah we can try to change the actual jobs to increase the cover without the need to add more | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | Just an idea.. | 16:24 |
| scottda | We kinda need Ceph as a reference, since LVM has issues with AA | 16:24 |
| dulek | smcginnis: That could work. Who's our NFS vendor? | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | scottda, That assumes we come up with test cases that are automated for A/A ? | 16:24 |
| erlon | smcginnis: +1 | 16:24 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: Hmm... erlon? :D | 16:25 |
| erlon | dulek: not sure if theres anyone else, but Hitachi has | 16:25 |
| erlon | smcginnis: :) | 16:25 |
| dulek | erlon: Hm, this would require switching the jobs to multinode, which still requires more resources. | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | eharney, Would RedHat do the testing? | 16:25 |
| dulek | So that's a good point that community drivers also have some vendor ownership. :) | 16:26 |
| erlon | dulek: yeah, but better have 1 multinode job than add a single node plus the multinode to test only HA | 16:26 |
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| smcginnis | And those without real vendor support will be up to someone in the community (dev/user) deciding to put in the effort to test it. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | And if no one cares, then it just doesn't get marked supported. | 16:27 |
| erlon | smcginnis: or leave it as AA unsopported until someone decides to do do right? | 16:27 |
| erlon | smcginnis: ok | 16:27 |
| dulek | Makes sense. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | erlon: yep | 16:27 |
| dulek | Okay, I just wanted anyone to share initial thoughts on the topic, I think we've captured this. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis, Again, it will be driven by customer need. | 16:28 |
| scottda | We might want to brainstorm some ideas as to what we'd need for ideal testing (in the gate) and take to infra... | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Yep, exactly. If no one needs it, no use bothering with it. | 16:28 |
| scottda | i.e. can we have a mechanism for killing the service(s)? | 16:28 |
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| erlon | scottda: I believe that falls in the undeterminist problem geguileo mentioned | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | We don't have a way to disable doing A/A right now, do we? It is just a 'support' statement. | 16:29 |
| scottda | or use Rally for stress testing. | 16:29 |
| scottda | erlon: Not necessarily | 16:29 |
| scottda | just deterministically kill a service | 16:29 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: right now a/a is disabled for all drivers | 16:29 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: you cannot run cinder in a/a with any driver | 16:30 |
| scottda | Have a multinode test, create, attach, etc...then kill one c-vol and re-test attach, etc | 16:30 |
| erlon | scottda: hmm, may be that would be deterministic if you didn't have any operation running | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | #action team to come up with testing plan for A/A | 16:30 |
| scottda | erlon: Right, just basic stuff | 16:30 |
| scottda | Who's starting that etherpad? | 16:30 |
| scottda | :) | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo, Ok, thanks. Didn't realize that. | 16:30 |
| geguileo | np | 16:30 |
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| dulek | I can sum this up, add PTG topic and a new etherpad to gather plans. | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | #info Up to vendors to test and claim support for a/a | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | dulek: +1 That'd be great. | 16:31 |
| scottda | dulek: I think I've something on the PTG agenda... | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | #info Open source drivers will need to be tested for a/a by backing vendor or someone from one of those communities | 16:32 |
| scottda | dulek: Please add your name | 16:32 |
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| dulek | scottda: Sure! | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | #action dulek to create etherpad and prep for discussion at the PTG | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | Fair? ^^ | 16:33 |
| dulek | Sure! | 16:33 |
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| smcginnis | Thank you. | 16:33 |
| hemna | kids -> school. AFK | 16:33 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: OK, are we good on this topic for now? | 16:34 |
| dulek | smcginnis: Yup. | 16:34 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: Great, thanks | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | #topic Bulk create of volumes | 16:34 |
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| smcginnis | Guess it's on xyang1 and scottda | 16:34 |
| * jungleboyj is having dejavu . | 16:35 | |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:35 |
| scottda | So, we've customers already doing bulk creates.... | 16:35 |
| scottda | especially for testing. | 16:35 |
| scottda | i.e. spin up 50-100 VMs with 50-100 volumes | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | Didn't we discuss this at the Austin summit? | 16:35 |
| scottda | smcginnis: We've discussed it, but... | 16:35 |
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| erlon | scottda: using heat? | 16:36 |
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| scottda | at the time, there was limited interest from vendors | 16:36 |
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| xyang1 | we talked about it at midcycle | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis, I know we talked about it recently. | 16:36 |
| scottda | We know EMC/Dell, IBM, and Datera could use this... | 16:36 |
| _alastor_ | I have a customer spinning up 2400 VMs + Volumes, so bulk create would be very valuable | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | scottda, Is with a new vendor. :-) | 16:36 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: Excuse me, but that's Dell EMC. :P | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | Hah! | 16:36 |
| dulek | Problems with bulk create starts when some of creations fail… | 16:36 |
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| xyang1 | :) | 16:36 |
| scottda | dulek: Sure, there are details to work out... | 16:37 |
| scottda | We're just looking for a Community OK to go forward with a spec | 16:37 |
| mdovgal | dulek, all problems start when something fails) | 16:37 |
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| erlon | scottda: do you have a plan for vendors that dont support that? | 16:37 |
| dulek | mdovgal: :D | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | So the argument against is it's easy to script a loop to do this. The argument for is that for some storage it can all be passed down to the storage in one call and be much more efficient. RIght? | 16:37 |
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| scottda | erlon: IT's a feature that doesn't have to be supported by each vendor | 16:38 |
| erlon | scottda: or that does not rely on a hardware capability | 16:38 |
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| scottda | smcginnis: Correct | 16:38 |
| dulek | scottda: Hey, it's pretty easy to do in a generic way… | 16:38 |
| scottda | It's simply more efficient for some arrays | 16:38 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: So if it's not supported by each vendor, that kind of implies then that we need to build in extra logic to Cinder to do the batch operation sequentially and return the results. | 16:38 |
| erlon | scottda: so its just moving the 'for' loop inside Cinder | 16:38 |
| dulek | Nova is living with bulk create for some time now. I think we should ask them if that haven't turned out bad. | 16:39 |
| scottda | erlon: But some arrays can create many volumes in much less time than looping through.. | 16:39 |
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| scottda | dulek: Good question.. | 16:39 |
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| dulek | It's case like boot-from-volume that they hate as it moves orchestration into OpenStack. Which isn't easy. | 16:39 |
| erlon | scottda: well we would need to see how much more efficient that is than just calling heat or using a bash 'for' | 16:40 |
| xyang1 | erlon: for some arrays create 10 volumes takes the same amount of time as create 1 | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | xyang1: VMAX was one of the big wins here, right? It can create many in the same amount of time it can create one? | 16:40 |
| scottda | storewize as well | 16:40 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: yes | 16:40 |
| _alastor_ | We have similar functionality at Datera | 16:40 |
| * smcginnis just thought of creating 100 boot volumes simultaneously and shuddered | 16:41 | |
| dulek | From this point of view it sounds bad, that such ability isn't exposed in Cinder. | 16:41 |
| erlon | xyang1: hmm, so you would be eliminating the API + Scheduler time for each request | 16:41 |
| xyang1 | erlon: so the scheduler needs to handle bulk create if we decide to move forward with this | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | So, there is precedence for the feature. | 16:41 |
| erlon | well, IMO as long as theres people requesting and a benefit on the aproach it worth to proceed with the discussion/spec | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | erlon, +1 | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | It is one that keeps coming up. :-) | 16:42 |
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| smcginnis | Yeah, I see the benefit over just writing a for loop script. I guess I'm for this if someones willing to put in the work. | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis, Assuming the design will need to work for backends that can do it all at once and ones that would need to do it one at a time. Right? | 16:43 |
| scottda | We can certainly hash out design details in the spec... | 16:43 |
| xyang1 | jungleboyj: the default behavior will be do it one at a time and driver and override that | 16:43 |
| xyang1 | s/and/can | 16:44 |
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| jungleboyj | xyang1, Cool | 16:44 |
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| mdovgal | scottda, +1 about spec | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Yep | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | So it sounds like we are cool with a Spec? | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | I think so. | 16:45 |
| scottda | cool, thanks | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Was there a BP filed for this already? | 16:45 |
| scottda | xyang1: BP? | 16:46 |
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| smcginnis | I really need to go through the BPs. I've been neglecting launchpad for awhile. :] | 16:46 |
| xyang1 | scottda: I have not filed one yet | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | OK, good. I was just wondering. | 16:46 |
| scottda | Great Leader is tired from taking care of all his people.... | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | Hah! | 16:47 |
| xyang1 | scottda: last time I just brought it up at the meetup. it is just on the etherpad | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | More like tired of launchpad's poor interface. ;) | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis, ++ | 16:47 |
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| hemna | back | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | scottda, xyang1: We good for now? | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | It's all up to hemna, right? | 16:48 |
| scottda | yup | 16:48 |
| scottda | ha | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:48 |
| Swanson | smcginnis puts on his robe at 6:30 and watches nothing but youtube when he should be doing launchpad. | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 16:48 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna, Is going to love solving that problem. ;-) | 16:48 |
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| jungleboyj | Swanson, While smoking his cigar and drinking brandy | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | :D | 16:49 |
| viks | Hi, do we need to resubmit the 3rd party for pike or is it implicit? | 16:49 |
| hemna | oh boy | 16:49 |
| viks | I mean 3rd party driver Veritas HyperScale... | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | viks: You mean patches for new drivers/ | 16:49 |
| viks | Yes | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | Ah, nope, saw that patch updated. | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | viks: I put it in the etherpad for Pike already. | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | We can start looking at new drivers again. | 16:50 |
| viks | Yes...I saw that too...thanks | 16:50 |
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| smcginnis | Now that we're removing some, we need to add a few more to stay above 100. :D | 16:50 |
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| jungleboyj | Wheeee! | 16:50 |
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| smcginnis | Anyone have anything else today? | 16:51 |
| mdovgal | folks, i'm going to some refactor patches in few moments. if it is possible, better criticize it but don't shelve it... save me from rebasing hell) | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | mdovgal: Hah, will do. | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:51 |
| hemna | fwiw, my new cireporter script is part of the third-party-co-tools | 16:51 |
| hemna | anyone can run it | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | mdovgal, Love it. | 16:51 |
| mdovgal | thanks) | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Nice. | 16:51 |
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| smcginnis | hemna: I took 5 minutes to try to add it to my automated updates. Ran into some problems getting it going though. | 16:52 |
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| rajinir_ | hemna: what does it do? | 16:52 |
| xyang1 | scotta, smcginnis: blueprint is here now: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/bulk-create-volume-api | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | First missing PyYAML, then array, then oslo_config... | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | Just need to spend a little more time working through that. | 16:52 |
| hemna | it didn't work? | 16:52 |
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| hemna | oh yah | 16:52 |
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| smcginnis | Might be good to add to the requirements.txt though. | 16:52 |
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| hemna | that repo doesn't support requirements afaik | 16:53 |
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| smcginnis | Just some setup work needed on my end. | 16:53 |
| hemna | I can add it | 16:53 |
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| smcginnis | hemna: Wouldn't hurt, at least as a clue to someone new looking at it. | 16:53 |
| hemna | ok I'll add that | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | xyang1: Thanks | 16:53 |
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| xyang1 | smcginnis: I found another blueprint with similar name, but that's for driver only: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/bulk-create | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | hemna, ++ | 16:53 |
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| rajinir_ | xyang1: Will this bp cover the bulk boot from volume create from nova? | 16:53 |
| scottda | xyang1: yes, I think that driver BP is one of our teams... | 16:54 |
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| scottda | xyang1: I'll make sure we're all on the same page | 16:54 |
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| jungleboyj | scottda, Yes, that is one of your team. :-) | 16:54 |
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| xyang1 | rajinir_: we should talk about that in the spec too. I am not clear what is the current status of that | 16:54 |
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| xyang1 | scottda: cool | 16:55 |
| rajinir_ | xyang1: That's the typical use case, sure, spec should cover it 1 | 16:55 |
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| smcginnis | Bring on the boot storms. :) | 16:55 |
| xyang1 | rajinir_: that is currently handled by heat? | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | bwah ha ha! | 16:55 |
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| rajinir_ | xyang1: Not sure, but we had customers experience performance issues with 50 instances | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | http://giphy.com/gifs/GWD5nSpiHxs3K | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | LOL | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | OK, are we done? | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | OK, thanks everyone! | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | I think that is a good note to end on. ;-) | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
| _alastor_ | \o | 16:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 8 16:57:33 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-02-08-16.00.html | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-02-08-16.00.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-02-08-16.00.log.html | 16:57 |
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| mdovgal | thanks | 16:57 |
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| bh526r_ | #startmeeting gluon | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 8 18:00:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:00 |
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| bh526r_ | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Bin Hu | 18:00 |
| krenczewski | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:00 |
| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:01 |
| jinli | Hi all | 18:01 |
| krenczewski | Hi | 18:01 |
| pcarver | #info Paul Carver | 18:01 |
| bh526r_ | Hi all | 18:01 |
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| bh526r_ | #topic F2F Update | 18:02 |
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| bh526r_ | #info We had an F2F on Monday Feb 6 and Tuesday 7 in Sunnyvale | 18:02 |
| bh526r_ | #info Our primary goal is to finalize Ocata deliverables and next steps | 18:03 |
| georgk | #info Georg Kunz | 18:04 |
| bh526r_ | #info Regarding Ocata deliverables, we reviewed the task list | 18:04 |
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| bh526r_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gluon/Tasks-Ocata | 18:04 |
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| bh526r_ | #info The deliverables are those completed features. | 18:05 |
| bh526r_ | #info And documentation / installation guide | 18:05 |
| bh526r_ | #info for manual installation | 18:05 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Regarding next steps, there have been comprehensive discussions | 18:06 |
| bh526r_ | #info The agreement is: | 18:06 |
| alraddarla | #info Darla Ahlert | 18:06 |
| bh526r_ | #info 1. Extended ML2 Plugin for Gluon is the best way to integrate with Neutron | 18:07 |
| bh526r_ | #info So we will keep this direction | 18:07 |
| bh526r_ | #info 2. We can evolve Protons to be Neutron's Service Plugins. Some work to be done in the future | 18:07 |
| bh526r_ | #info In this case, i.e. Protons as Neutron's service plugin, we can reuse Neutron's DB instead of having our own MySQL DB | 18:08 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Of course, development work is independently in Gluon Repo | 18:09 |
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| bh526r_ | #info At certain time point, we will make Gluon to be part of Big Tent , and make Extended ML2 Plugin for Gluon and Proton Service Plugins to be part of Neutron Stadium and get full recognition of OpenStack community | 18:10 |
| bh526r_ | #info Ian and Sukhdev agreed to go to PTG in Atlanta and participate in discusson with Neutron and Nova | 18:11 |
| bh526r_ | #info Two specific items will be discussed: (1) Removal of “port” dependency on “network/subnet” (2) Network “type” attribute in Neutron | 18:11 |
| bh526r_ | Paul, we also discussed your point in last IRC meeting, i.e. bind port to 2 SDN controllers, similar to function of HPB in Neutron | 18:12 |
| pcarver | ok | 18:13 |
| bh526r_ | Basically, Gluon/Proton is not an orchestrator | 18:13 |
| bh526r_ | An orchestrator will organize relevant data objects as parameters to call Proton APIs. | 18:14 |
| bh526r_ | Proton simply pass through data objects from Orchstrator to multiple SDN controllers | 18:14 |
| bh526r_ | When binding or other operation is requested, SDN controllers consume the data objects, constrained by policies, and process the binding and other operations | 18:15 |
| bh526r_ | All SDN controllers can monitor etcd, and handle the same port binding operation. But only the one that attaches to the VM can handle the virtual interface. | 18:15 |
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| bh526r_ | It is up to the data objects from Orchestrator to specify one or multiple entities so that one Gluon port could be potentially bound to multiple SDN controllers, e.g. one SDN controller controlling VFs, and the other SDN controller controlling PFs. | 18:16 |
| bh526r_ | So it is the same model as HPB | 18:17 |
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| bh526r_ | #info We also reviewed otustanding patches, and new patches from Kamal in terms of examples of policy.json | 18:18 |
| bh526r_ | #info all patches were approved | 18:19 |
| bh526r_ | Jin - one patch had verified-1, could you give some hints? | 18:19 |
| jinli | Hi Bin, is it the one you email me? | 18:20 |
| bh526r_ | Yes | 18:20 |
| jinli | I am checking it now | 18:20 |
| jinli | will let you know by the end of day | 18:20 |
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| bh526r_ | For 430450, you already rechecked it | 18:21 |
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| bh526r_ | Let me know what happened then. Thank you Jin | 18:22 |
| jinli | 430450 works | 18:22 |
| bh526r_ | It works now, but failed gate jobs yesterday with error messages that I sent you in the email | 18:22 |
| jinli | right, will double check | 18:23 |
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| jinli | the test_as_dict failure cause by one of my test case | 18:23 |
| bh526r_ | Thank you. | 18:24 |
| bh526r_ | I see. Also my local tox failed with py35 after I pull most recent repo | 18:24 |
| bh526r_ | details in my email. | 18:25 |
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| bh526r_ | Let me know after you look into it today | 18:25 |
| jinli | ok | 18:25 |
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| bh526r_ | Thank you | 18:26 |
| jinli | NP | 18:27 |
| bh526r_ | #topic Ocata Task Update | 18:27 |
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| bh526r_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gluon/Tasks-Ocata | 18:28 |
| bh526r_ | #info All completed tasks will be part of deliverables | 18:28 |
| bh526r_ | #info Synchronization operation etc. will be deferred to later (Ocata SR or Pike), because Ian needs more time to think through the code, and Sukhdev also indicated scalability consideration | 18:29 |
| bh526r_ | #info Installer support will be deferred too because it needs more time to complete relevant modules in different installers | 18:30 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Manual Installation Guide, and some documentation will be provided. | 18:31 |
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| bh526r_ | #topic Patch Status Update | 18:31 |
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| bh526r_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419210/ | 18:32 |
| bh526r_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422338/ | 18:32 |
| bh526r_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430443/ | 18:32 |
| bh526r_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430450/ | 18:32 |
| bh526r_ | #info All are approved and merged | 18:33 |
| bh526r_ | Kamil do you feel the installation guide in CONTRAIL.md in your patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402071/ good enough for manual install Contrail Mechanism Driver? | 18:34 |
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| krenczewski | I think yes | 18:34 |
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| krenczewski | But it assumes that Contrail is installed | 18:35 |
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| krenczewski | I'll review it once more | 18:35 |
| krenczewski | because I didn't touch this for some time since I started to work on fuel and devstack plugin | 18:36 |
| bh526r_ | Good. This is because when I read it, the first part of "Plugin" only says: Plugin ------ Plugin code is available here: https://github.com/codilime/ContrailMechanismDriver | 18:36 |
| bh526r_ | Then it jumped to Dependencies | 18:36 |
| krenczewski | that is because this repository contrain it's own readme file | 18:37 |
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| krenczewski | and I didn't wanted to maintain two separate manual instructions | 18:37 |
| bh526r_ | I see, the we need to follow the instructions in your own repo | 18:37 |
| bh526r_ | That's right. | 18:38 |
| krenczewski | I think this is the best way | 18:38 |
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| krenczewski | I'll try to emphasize this and re-submit a patch | 18:39 |
| bh526r_ | Perhaps adding one sentence at the end of "Plugin" section, indicating "Please follow the instruction in that repo to install Contrail Mechanism Driver" or something like that | 18:39 |
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| bh526r_ | Then it will be crystal clear to users. | 18:39 |
| bh526r_ | Thanks | 18:40 |
| krenczewski | right | 18:40 |
| bh526r_ | That's all from my side. | 18:40 |
| bh526r_ | Anything else you want to discuss? | 18:40 |
| krenczewski | I think that is all | 18:41 |
| bh526r_ | Thank you Kamil | 18:41 |
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| krenczewski | Thanks | 18:41 |
| bh526r_ | Anyone else has AOB? | 18:41 |
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| bh526r_ | If no, we can give back everyone 18 minutes | 18:42 |
| bh526r_ | #info Meeting Adjourned | 18:42 |
| bh526r_ | #endmeeting | 18:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 8 18:42:44 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-02-08-18.00.html | 18:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-02-08-18.00.txt | 18:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-02-08-18.00.log.html | 18:42 |
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| bh526r_ | Thank you everyone and bye all | 18:42 |
| krenczewski | Bye | 18:43 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | anyone about for the StoryBoard weekly meeting? | 19:00 |
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| * zara_the_lemur__ will give it a couple of minutes | 19:01 | |
| diablo_rojo | zara_the_lemur__, yes ma'am :) | 19:01 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | hi, diablo_rojo! | 19:01 |
| SotK | hi | 19:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Party time | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 8 19:01:58 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zara_the_lemur__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:02 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | None of which I'm aware | 19:02 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic Urgent Items | 19:02 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | anyone want to flag anything? | 19:02 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | okay, moving on! | 19:03 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic in-progress work | 19:03 |
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| diablo_rojo | My attention span to work on the migration of of branched items has been a bit of a roadblock. | 19:03 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | heh | 19:03 |
| diablo_rojo | But I am trying. | 19:03 |
| SotK | I'm afraid my week ended up busier than expected and I've also not made much meaningful progress on the migration scripts either | 19:04 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I've been having a bit of a strange week, investigating how far storyboard can be abstracted from its current db framework. so I've been generally around but not able to focus on migration things. | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | otoh I suddenly have way more knowledge of both sql and how the storyboard backend fits together | 19:04 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, you one patch looked good to me. What was your concern? | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | which should come in useful | 19:04 |
| diablo_rojo | zara_the_lemur__, thats good news :) | 19:05 |
| SotK | I've been trying to figure out a bug where sometimes users get created with a fake openid url because the script fails to find their real one, after hitting a bug where the script also can try to create duplicate users for some reason | 19:06 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | diablo_rojo: :) I've also been chipping away at that blogpost and hope to have something done by tonight and up by tomorrow | 19:06 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I figure if I say that it will make me finish it | 19:06 |
| fungi | given sb is already using an orm and oslo.db, hopefully there's not a lot to generalize to run with additional database backends? | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | zara_the_lemur__, woot woot! If you want me to look it over, let me know. | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | fungi: we have some mysql-specific things; I started with postgres because I figured that'd be the best way to find them, so it's possible some things I've looked at are actually just postgres quirks... | 19:07 |
| fungi | have any examples? there's a wip change for it, right? | 19:08 |
| fungi | pretty sure i saw one skitter through the channel earlier today | 19:08 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | fungi: yeah, I'll get the link, hang on :) | 19:08 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430395/ | 19:09 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I deleted all the db migrations and made a fresh one because there was a problem with 018 that baffled me | 19:09 |
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| fungi | recasting some fields to enum type i guess | 19:10 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | SO MANY | 19:10 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yep | 19:10 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (it wasn't really *that* many, just felt like it) | 19:11 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | if nothing else this should make it easier for me to get features into storyboard in the future since I'll have a better idea what's going on | 19:11 |
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| fungi | seems like that could become a wrapper function or decorator or something. i wonder how other projects are doing that | 19:11 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | my conceptual model for how the database communicated with the API was much woollier this time last week | 19:11 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, there may actually be examples in historic storyboard code | 19:12 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | since we used to support it | 19:12 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | (I've also done a little review this week, though not very much, but it's a good week to catch me for review) | 19:14 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | oh, this also might be interesting as a demonstration of what a relatively small project would need to do to simultaneously support postgres and mysql, so if people ask after that support elsewhere, it might be something useful to point people at | 19:16 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (once I have the wip in a form where both *are* supported, anyway) | 19:16 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | 'this is the kind of thing you would need to commit to doing if you want that support' | 19:17 |
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| diablo_rojo | I am rededicating myself to reviews this week and next week. | 19:18 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | cool | 19:18 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | anyone else have anything in-progress? otherwise I'll move on to open discussion! | 19:19 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic Open Discussion | 19:20 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I think this is our new record :) | 19:20 |
| diablo_rojo | It would be really great if we could be close to getting monasca over by the PTG. | 19:20 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, do you reckon we're blocked on that, SotK? | 19:20 |
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| diablo_rojo | I know that means I gotta get it together with he branched stuff. | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | My goal is to get that done by the EOD Friday so we can get it tested and merged next week. | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Sound reasonable? | 19:21 |
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| * diablo_rojo says the plan out loud so maybe it will happen- just like zara_the_lemur__ | 19:22 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I think so, I should be able to commit to testing stuff next week | 19:22 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | heh | 19:22 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | if it turns out I can commit to more than that, then it might be worth me taking responsibility for more of the migration | 19:22 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | though I don't think I'll know until tomorrow if that's possible | 19:22 |
| SotK | certainly seems doable | 19:23 |
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| diablo_rojo | zara_the_lemur__, That's fine :) Finish the blog post first I think and then figure out whats next. | 19:23 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | sure | 19:24 |
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| diablo_rojo | SotK, what are you looking at this weekish? | 19:26 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I think he's travelling atm so may have a not-great connection | 19:27 |
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| SotK | hopefully I can get the user bug fixed, and then the "some weird characters break story description rendering if they are imported" bug | 19:29 |
| SotK | changing priority to set a tag rather than a priority should be trivial | 19:30 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | have you written a story up anywhere with current status? | 19:30 |
| SotK | I don't think so, I can do so after | 19:30 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yay, thanks, please do, that way I can take a look if I *do* get some time. | 19:30 |
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| fungi | sounds great | 19:31 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | (I guess the downside is that if I do, I'll just ask a ton of questions and then you'll wind up working on it anyway...) | 19:31 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | but there's always /ignore! | 19:32 |
| persia | That is a big stick | 19:32 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | ;_; | 19:33 |
| diablo_rojo | zara_the_lemur__, lol I am trying not to do that very thing with the migration handling of branches | 19:33 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | haha | 19:34 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | though please feel free to ask about things in #storyboard! | 19:35 |
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| diablo_rojo | noted | 19:35 |
| SotK | I am normally open to answering tons of questions :) | 19:35 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I basically talk to myself all day asking things and sometimes people drop in and give me a pointer | 19:35 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so there isn't pressure associated with asking a question | 19:36 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | or being asked a question | 19:37 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | anyone else have any discussion topics? | 19:39 |
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| fungi | not i | 19:39 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | okay, meeting ends in... | 19:39 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | #endmeeting | 19:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 8 19:40:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-02-08-19.01.html | 19:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-02-08-19.01.txt | 19:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-02-08-19.01.log.html | 19:40 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | as always, feel free to come chat in #storyboard if you wanted to cover something and we missed it! | 19:40 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | and thanks everyone! | 19:40 |
| SotK | thanks zara_the_lemur__ | 19:42 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #startmeeting wos-mentoring | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 8 20:00:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekhugen_alt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| ekhugen_alt | hi, who's here for the mentoring meeting? | 20:00 |
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| MeganR | Hi | 20:01 |
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| nicole | hi! | 20:01 |
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| ekhugen_alt | hi, sorry if I'm slow typing today, I have a bandaged finger | 20:01 |
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| MeganR | oh no! | 20:02 |
| nicole | yikes -- sorry to hear that, emily! | 20:02 |
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| ekhugen_alt | aww, thanks, just 9 days until I get the stitches out! | 20:02 |
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| MeganR | stitches, yikes | 20:03 |
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| ekhugen_alt | just 6, not major | 20:03 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 20:03 |
| MeganR | not minor either :) | 20:03 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #topic boston planning | 20:04 |
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| ekhugen_alt | So where we we with the speed mentoring planning? | 20:04 |
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| nicole | not sure if it's too early to ask for volunteers as greeters? | 20:05 |
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| MeganR | I will be there - and happy to help however needed | 20:05 |
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| ekhugen_alt | nicole, I don't think so, I've heard from a few people | 20:06 |
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| nicole | cool! | 20:06 |
| MeganR | and there were a couple of people on the Women of OpenStack Monday meeting that volunteered as well. | 20:06 |
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| nicole | oh, cool. i wasn't able to join monday's call -- i'll listen to the recording. | 20:06 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I think I have 4-5 interested so far | 20:07 |
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| ekhugen_alt | we were talking about getting together a call for mentors for the beginning of march | 20:07 |
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| nicole | +1 | 20:07 |
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| nicole | that'd be great, to make sure the mentors are prepped. | 20:08 |
| ekhugen_alt | and we talked about doing a short survey on the RSVP for speed mentoring, diablo_rojo I think you were going to ask Erin about that? | 20:08 |
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| nicole | yes, we were going to ask for their top 3 questions so that we can devise a list of discussion questions in advance. | 20:09 |
| diablo_rojo | ekhugen_alt, Yeah basically just let us know what you need and we can make the survey and send it out. | 20:10 |
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| diablo_rojo | what you need question wise | 20:11 |
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| nicole | great, thanks <diablo_rojo> | 20:11 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think we wanted to ask what mentee's top 3 questions were for mentors | 20:11 |
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| nicole | +1 | 20:11 |
| ekhugen_alt | and then what kind of mentoring they were interested in (career/technical) | 20:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Pretty simple then | 20:11 |
| ekhugen_alt | anything else I'm missing? | 20:11 |
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| nicole | yep, so that we can determine career/technical plus areas of interest | 20:12 |
| knangia | Hi everyone | 20:12 |
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| ekhugen_alt | welcome knangia! | 20:12 |
| nicole | so, perhaps ask: what kind of mentoring they're interested in (career/technical) and then their top 3 questions. | 20:12 |
| knangia | thanks ekhugen_alt ! | 20:13 |
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| ekhugen_alt | nicole +1 | 20:13 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so what else do we need to work on for speed mentoring? | 20:18 |
| nicole | did we bottom out on whether or not we would start the rotations earlier? | 20:18 |
| nicole | we talked about starting them on time, and integrating stragglers as they arrive. | 20:18 |
| diablo_rojo | We are planning on getting the mentors locked down soon after the PTG right? | 20:18 |
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| nicole | i think so. we need to make sure they're prepped -- per input from last time around. | 20:19 |
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| ekhugen_alt | right, we're going to put the call for mentors out march 1 | 20:19 |
| knangia | sorry joined late, can you please explain the idea of speed mentoring or how we can volunteer ? | 20:20 |
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| ekhugen_alt | and I think nicole that we didn't decide how many rotations we'll have | 20:20 |
| dasanind | hi | 20:20 |
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| nicole | i think we had 2 15-min rotations in barcelona? | 20:21 |
| ekhugen_alt | knangia, basically we're having people talk to mentors in small groups for a short amount of time, and then the mentors rotate around the room | 20:21 |
| nicole | if we can start on time, we may be able to fit more in? | 20:21 |
| ekhugen_alt | so over breakfast you should get to talk to 2-3 different mentors with different areas of expertise, to ask questions and get to know people | 20:22 |
| knangia | and who are the mentors ? | 20:22 |
| MeganR | knangia: it is also split between Career and Technical groups | 20:22 |
| ekhugen_alt | the mentors are people from the community who volunteer | 20:22 |
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| nicole | and we're asking for mentees' top 3 questions via a survey to develop a list of discussion questions in advance | 20:23 |
| knangia | got it ! | 20:23 |
| knangia | looking forward to volunteer for the sessions | 20:23 |
| nicole | awesome! | 20:24 |
| ekhugen_alt | cool! | 20:24 |
| knangia | :) | 20:25 |
| ekhugen_alt | so in austin we had 10 minute rotations, but those were too short | 20:25 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so in barcelona we had 15 minute rotations, but so few people showed up on time, we had to cut a whole rotation | 20:25 |
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| ekhugen_alt | 2 rotations didn't really seem like enough, did anyone else feel that way? | 20:26 |
| MeganR | I heard feedback along those lines | 20:26 |
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| MeganR | However, you are right about needing to start on time, no matter if people come late - too nice in Barcelona :) | 20:27 |
| spotz | joining late as usual:) | 20:27 |
| ekhugen_alt | so do we want to try 10 minute ones again? | 20:27 |
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| nicole | if we start on time, it seems like we should have time for 3 15-min rotations. | 20:28 |
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| nicole | is 3 rotations enough? does 15 mins work? | 20:28 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I think 3 rotations is kind of the minimum, do we want to make them 12 minutes to give more switching time? | 20:29 |
| spotz | 15 minutes would allow for a bit of settling after rotations | 20:29 |
| spotz | Or what ekhugen_alt said:) | 20:30 |
| nicole | 12 mins sounds like a good compromise :) | 20:30 |
| MeganR | I think 12 min works | 20:31 |
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| knangia | i didn't attend them before, but as explained, 12 mins sounds good | 20:31 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay, that sounds reasonable, and we'll give maybe 2 minutes in between for switching? | 20:32 |
| spotz | +1 | 20:32 |
| MeganR | that is a good idea | 20:32 |
| knangia | +1 | 20:32 |
| nicole | +1 | 20:32 |
| MeganR | happy to help "cat herd" | 20:33 |
| dasanind | +1 | 20:33 |
| nicole | +1 | 20:33 |
| nicole | question about the list of discussion questions we'll prepare in advance ... | 20:33 |
| ekhugen_alt | yes? | 20:34 |
| nicole | we can use this list to prep the mentors during the pre-meeting. there was discussion around using the questions during the rotations & calling time on each. thoughts? | 20:34 |
| knangia | works! | 20:34 |
| nicole | if we do this, we'll need to do this for both tracks -- career & technical. | 20:35 |
| nicole | i think it may help keep us on track/manage the time. | 20:35 |
| knangia | +1 | 20:35 |
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| spotz | Have one set of questions for career and one for technical, but if we're swapping tables maybe have a set of questions only for that table? | 20:37 |
| diablo_rojo | nicole, +1 | 20:37 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, | 20:37 |
| diablo_rojo | ha ha sorry | 20:37 |
| spotz | No love!:) | 20:37 |
| diablo_rojo | I think it would be better to have the same questions for all the tables, rather than table specific questions. | 20:38 |
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| diablo_rojo | Aside frm the career and technical ones being different | 20:38 |
| spotz | My only concern is asking the same thing over and over | 20:38 |
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| nicole | i'm not sure it would get repetitive ... | 20:39 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, I totally get that. I was thinking the same questions becuase I might want to hear the same questions across a few people to get different opinions. | 20:40 |
| diablo_rojo | just a thought :) | 20:40 |
| nicole | i like the idea of having a set of discussion questions, one each for career & technical ... | 20:40 |
| diablo_rojo | Feel free to overrule me :) | 20:40 |
| diablo_rojo | nicole, +1 | 20:40 |
| nicole | the mentors will all have different answers to the questions ... | 20:40 |
| nicole | and we won't repeat any of the questions. | 20:40 |
| spotz | So it's questions for the mentors vs mentees? Ok I'm down with that | 20:41 |
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| nicole | yes, it's questions that the mentees have provided to us (through a survey) that the mentors respond to during the session. | 20:44 |
| spotz | I thought the other way, definitely good with that:) | 20:44 |
| nicole | and if we can develop the list (from the survey) prior to the prep meeting with the mentors, then the mentors will have time to prepare & craft thoughtful answers. | 20:45 |
| knangia | nicole: +1 | 20:45 |
| spotz | +1 | 20:45 |
| nicole | does anyone know if anne mccormick submitted the mentee/mentor session where they share their experiences? | 20:47 |
| ekhugen_alt | yes, she did, sorry there's a visitor in my office | 20:48 |
| nicole | cool! | 20:48 |
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| nicole | i'm planning to meet with heidi joy in the next couple of weeks, and i'd like to include the idea around telling mentee/mentor stories through brief video clips. | 20:49 |
| MeganR | great idea! | 20:49 |
| nicole | i'm thinking we may able to line these up for filming in boston. | 20:49 |
| spotz | nicole it's there | 20:49 |
| nicole | cool! | 20:49 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Love that idea :) | 20:50 |
| knangia | nicole: great idea +1 | 20:50 |
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| ekhugen_alt | nicole +1 | 20:52 |
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| ekhugen_alt | sorry, any other topics? | 20:55 |
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| nicole | not from my end. i think we have some great clarity coming out of this meeting. thanks! | 20:56 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay, thanks everyone! | 20:57 |
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| ekhugen_alt | sorry, the project manager camped out in my office and yelled at me for 30 minutes | 20:57 |
| MeganR | Sorry Emily - that is no fun | 20:57 |
| nicole | yikes, sorry to hear that! | 20:57 |
| MeganR | I don't have anything to add | 20:57 |
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| ekhugen_alt | but it sounds like we have some great ideas, next meeting 3/1? | 20:58 |
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| ekhugen_alt | since we probably don't want to meet 2/22? | 20:58 |
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| nicole | sounds good! | 20:59 |
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| ekhugen_alt | okay,, cool | 20:59 |
| ekhugen_alt | thanks everyone | 20:59 |
| ekhugen_alt | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 8 20:59:28 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| nicole | thanks! :) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-02-08-20.00.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-02-08-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-02-08-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 8 21:00:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| ntata | hello | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hi | 21:00 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:00 |
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| mmotiani1 | Hi | 21:00 |
| cschwede_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 21:00 |
| jrichli | o/ | 21:01 |
| clayg | PARTY TIME | 21:01 |
| notmyname | wooo | 21:01 |
| notmyname | welcome, everyone | 21:01 |
| dmorita_ | hi | 21:01 |
| notmyname | agenda this week is at... | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:01 |
| tdasilva | hi | 21:02 |
| notmyname | sure would be nice to be able to do #links inline | 21:02 |
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| acoles | o/ | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #topic PTG | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | let's talk PTG to start with | 21:02 |
| notmyname | we've got a week and a half before the PTG in atlanta | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | the etherpad is coming along nicely | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-ptg-pike | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | so please continue to add stuff there (topics and details on existing topics) | 21:03 |
| clayg | yeah that's looking good folks! | 21:03 |
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| joeljwright1 | looks like I'm gonna miss out on some great discussions | 21:03 |
| notmyname | as I've mentioned before, the plan at the PTG is to be very similar to previous in-person events: we'll move tables and have several conversations going on at once | 21:03 |
| notmyname | so next week I will start grouping some of the topics together to make sure some of the big stuff avoids overlaps | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | joeljwright1: you will be missed | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | and joeljwright1's comment reminds me of one more thing... | 21:04 |
| notmyname | I'm told that those of us attending the PTG will be getting a ticket to the boston summit (ie instead of a free ticket based on code contributions) | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | so, is there anyone here who is thinking they might be attending the boston summit but who will *not* be attending the PTG in atlanta? | 21:05 |
| notmyname | if so, I have one ticket that I can give out | 21:05 |
| notmyname | so please speak up | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | ok :-) | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | I guess people may not know if they can go yet | 21:07 |
| notmyname | any other question about the PTG before we move on to the next topic? | 21:07 |
| notmyname | 3... | 21:07 |
| notmyname | 2... | 21:07 |
| notmyname | 1... | 21:07 |
| clayg | notmyname: will the PTG be awesome? | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | it will be what we make it :) | 21:08 |
| notmyname | all in-person meetings of swift contributors are awesome | 21:08 |
| notmyname | #topic release | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | we're getting close to the ocata release date | 21:08 |
| notmyname | I have started taking a look at the changelog updates | 21:08 |
| notmyname | and I expect to be able to propose that early next week | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | so... if it's gonna be in the release, it needs to land soon | 21:09 |
| notmyname | there are no critical priority open bugs in LP | 21:09 |
| clayg | woooo!1 | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | so let's talk about the stuff on the priority reviews page | 21:09 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:09 |
| notmyname | clayg: what about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425493/ | 21:10 |
| notmyname | you've moved it to WIP | 21:10 |
| notmyname | is there a differnet patch? | 21:10 |
| clayg | so i cherry picked that change for my release - so i'm not under the gun anymore | 21:10 |
| clayg | kota_: and others had some good thoughts for some direction we might evolve that patch | 21:10 |
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| clayg | i wanted to get some feedback from ops to test my experience - happy to be a unique snowflake - i think there's room for compromise | 21:11 |
| clayg | any ops in the room? ahale onovy briancline - who else? | 21:11 |
| clayg | maybe cschwede_ | 21:11 |
| clayg | basically "how do you use handoffs_first for replication" | 21:11 |
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| clayg | IME, you turn it on when when you rebalance is going to slow and monitoring handoff parts closely | 21:12 |
| clayg | we do all that work to warn you that it's on because its "a bad thing" to leave it running | 21:12 |
| cschwede_ | turn it on if you're running out of space and add new disks, turn it off if things settled down... | 21:12 |
| clayg | so I haven't really had so much of a *problem* with replicated policies dropping back into sync mode after they finish their handoffs | 21:12 |
| clayg | but I do feel like it's not efficient - esp when I'm adding new nodes | 21:13 |
| cschwede_ | true | 21:13 |
| clayg | some nodes will start making nodes do suffix hashing before i'm really done with my "pushing out handoffs" from the cluster wide perspective | 21:13 |
| clayg | when we first started talking about making handoffs_first work better for rebalance (because ust sorting the list didn't really work in the face of failures) | 21:13 |
| clayg | everyone agreed we wnated handoffs_only - but then I wrote handoffs_first++ and it's more or less worked out | 21:14 |
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| clayg | but I'm backing off that idea for EC - because IME with these patches in a EC reblance that was way off the rails - I really really really didn't want to go back to syncing | 21:14 |
| clayg | a sync is much more expensive in EC land than in replicated - so that's the main driver for the difference | 21:14 |
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| clayg | ... but there's a consistency issue ... what's easier for ops? do other people have replicated and ec policies? | 21:15 |
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| clayg | I really want handoffs_only for EC and that's what's implemented | 21:15 |
| clayg | i'm probably going to "deprecate" the broken EC handoffs_first mode and just call it handoffs_only - maybe i'll honor the old config setting for bckwards compat!? | 21:16 |
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| clayg | anyone have any opions | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | yeah, honoring the old setting is good. redefine it to handoffs_only | 21:16 |
| notmyname | IMO you make a good case for handoffs_only over handoffs_first | 21:16 |
| cschwede_ | +1. sounds reasonable to me | 21:16 |
| notmyname | kota_: you had comments in gerrit about this | 21:16 |
| notmyname | kota_: what do you think? | 21:17 |
| kota_ | i support that idea to add handoff_only thinking of the efficiency of reconstruct | 21:17 |
| kota_ | notmyname: just was typing ;-) | 21:17 |
| jrichli | I am with you on this idea. change to handoffs_only for EC and honor old cfg | 21:17 |
| notmyname | kota_: thanks :-) | 21:17 |
| clayg | and for the replicator? is good for the goose good for the gander? or do we leave well enough alone? | 21:17 |
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| jrichli | that is a harder question, only because it changes an existing behavior. but hopefully just for the better. like default is now fast-post. | 21:18 |
| mattoliverau | there was a note on the last ops feedback session about always trying to prioritise reverts over sync.. which make sense.. I know this has nothing to do with handoffs_only but do we still need to visit the idea of handoff_first in normal operation, or at least a better implementation of it? | 21:18 |
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| clayg | it's super trival to make handoffs_first handoffs_only in the replicator - and my experience and consumption of the option leads me to believe that's what i want | 21:18 |
| kota_ | for the replicator, i think it's nice to have but I'm still thinking of how it works with global cluster use case. | 21:19 |
| cschwede_ | i need to think more about that and test things with the replicator. sounds like a topic for the PTG? | 21:19 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: yes - I think the whole engine (replicated & EC) needs to self manage prioritization of rebalance vs sync automatically | 21:19 |
| cschwede_ | or is there any urgent reason to include it in the next release? i mean the replicator change | 21:19 |
| clayg | having ops flip into rebalance mode - then push rings - then after reblance - switch back to sync mode - is annoying/stupid | 21:19 |
| notmyname | I kinda like the conceptual simplicity of handoffs_only vs handoffs_first. _first is a reordering and still tries to do a lot. _only is what I want! I have a problem and need to get handoffs off the drive, so do the handoffs_only. seems easier to document, therefore easier to grok, therefore *maybe* better | 21:20 |
| clayg | like I said - EC rebalance is screwed - I needed handoffs_only for EC - i wrote it and included in my release - this only effects people not doing SwiftStack | 21:20 |
| notmyname | ok, so let's tackle the replicator question later | 21:20 |
| cschwede_ | notmyname: that's true (the easier part) | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | for now, the important question is does patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425493/ need to land for this release or should it wait? | 21:21 |
| clayg | notmyname: ok - so i'll respin the EC patch to name the option _only - and honor _first for backwards compat with a warning (you said _first - you get _only) | 21:21 |
| clayg | then we'll maybe support handoffs_only in the replicator | 21:21 |
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| clayg | is that really less confusing? | 21:21 |
| notmyname | hey, briancline just joined | 21:21 |
| briancline | first things first: i didn't do it | 21:22 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:22 |
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| clayg | notmyname: ah... i think if you're doing EC rebalance at scale you want something that lets you prioritize rebalance (revert) in a meaningful way | 21:22 |
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| clayg | briancline: I just have the strong opinion "no one" runs with handoffs_first mode turned on after the rebalance | 21:23 |
| clayg | if you have it on - you know it - and want to turn it off as soon as the fire goes out | 21:23 |
| clayg | for EC I need it to be a more agressive handoffs_only mode for "reasons" - there's some support that the same reasoning would apply to repicated | 21:23 |
| clayg | basically replicated handoffs_first tends to start introducing update/suffix-sync jobs into the cluster maybe before all of the updated_deleted/handoffs-revert/rebalance jobs have finished on all the nodes | 21:24 |
| clayg | and it might be better if those nodes that finish all their handoffs just cool their heels | 21:24 |
| clayg | rather than spinning up a bunch more jobs and slowing everyone down | 21:24 |
| clayg | but the risk is "what if you forget to turn it off and don't sync" | 21:24 |
| clayg | so... if you have anything to say on that - that's the topic | 21:25 |
| clayg | notmyname: but I think we already agreed waht happens with patch 425493 | 21:25 |
| briancline | after a crisis-induced rebalance? yeah, i definitely would not want it on after a fire is out | 21:25 |
| notmyname | on the one hand, I want swift to "just work" over time and do the right thing. on the other hand, supporting "I wasn't paying attention and things broke" doesn't seem like a good idea? | 21:26 |
| clayg | and if i can respin and get reviews it'll land - if not - EC rebalance at scale is probably a timebomb for another release | 21:26 |
| mattoliverau | maybe this will be like part-power increase. step 1 lets have the mechanics. step 2 add more automation. | 21:26 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: ++^ | 21:26 |
| notmyname | +1 | 21:27 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: in my situation - i'm very interested in making ec reconstruction magic - but having a leaver to throw when shit hits the fan was step 0 | 21:27 |
| clayg | so along that reasoning maybe replication is fine | 21:27 |
| clayg | it has other advantages that make handoffs_only less *needed* | 21:27 |
| notmyname | so clayg will attempt to respin https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425493/ to be handoffs_only and then we'll review and hope for it in the next release | 21:27 |
| clayg | only last question is confusion and differences in the options and behavior between the two deamons | 21:28 |
| clayg | notmyname: that sounds like the right plan | 21:28 |
| clayg | sorry to take up so much time | 21:28 |
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| kota_ | I'll be able to circleback if handoffs_only get into that | 21:28 |
| clayg | sounds like everyone understand's why the patch implemented handoffs_only and why that's a good thing for EC | 21:28 |
| notmyname | no worries. good conversation | 21:28 |
| notmyname | yeah | 21:28 |
| clayg | only questions left are about future work | 21:28 |
| briancline | re-reading, i'm not sure i know what handoffs-revert above is in reference to, but i agree on the sentiments about using that option | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | briancline: copying the fragments to the right place instead of recreating them via the EC math | 21:29 |
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| clayg | notmyname: don't forget all the extra read IO to gather the k frags too! | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | yes. EC math + lots of other terrible | 21:29 |
| clayg | rofl | 21:30 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:30 |
| notmyname | ok, I think we're good on this patch for this meeting | 21:30 |
| notmyname | other stuff for the release | 21:30 |
| clayg | g2g! | 21:30 |
| briancline | oh, wow. yeah | 21:30 |
| notmyname | we've been tracking and reviewing the part power increase from cschwede_ | 21:30 |
| notmyname | cschwede_: where are we? how's it going? what's next? should it land in the release? | 21:30 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337297/ | 21:31 |
| mattoliverau | I saw some more comments on it, and cschwede_ has raised a new patchset, so I'll take a look at it today | 21:31 |
| mattoliverau | now that I'm back from vacation | 21:31 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:31 |
| notmyname | and timburke has a +2 on it already | 21:31 |
| cschwede_ | i hope it lands... got some good feedback so far, and i think usability improved a lot in the last 1 or 2 weeks, thanks to the reviews | 21:31 |
| notmyname | so that sounds like it's likely to be in the release | 21:31 |
| mattoliverau | we'll make it fit ;) | 21:31 |
| notmyname | but.. | 21:33 |
| notmyname | jsut to ask the hard questions (since it's easier before landing it than after)... | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | *should* it land in this release? are there any big concerns about the impact? | 21:33 |
| notmyname | I'm not implying it shouldn't, but I want to make sure we're ok with landing this a week before ocata | 21:34 |
| notmyname | (also i'm going to ask the same question about the global ec patch, so get ready kota_ ;-) | 21:34 |
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| clayg | i always like landing big stuff right *after* the release - I feel like that worked well for encryption | 21:34 |
| clayg | I feel like with EC we found some sad stuff right *after* it hit master | 21:34 |
| cschwede_ | well - that's up to all reviewers, isn't it? i'm biased obviously ;) | 21:35 |
| notmyname | however, this one has been discussed for a long time | 21:35 |
| kota_ | notmyname: probably it's not big impact but I'm worried a bit the increase part power looks conflicted with mine | 21:35 |
| clayg | but there's lots of "pressure" out there | 21:35 |
| tdasilva | i'm seeing a probe test failure with that one atm | 21:35 |
| clayg | I'm acctually done with my release already - I feel master + the EC handoffs_only mode are a great release | 21:35 |
| tdasilva | so i'd like to understand why... | 21:35 |
| clayg | we got the suffix hashing fix - bunch of other good stuff | 21:35 |
| cschwede_ | if there are concerns, postpone it and discuss at the PTG | 21:35 |
| acoles | tdasilva: with which, global EC or part power? | 21:35 |
| tdasilva | part power | 21:36 |
| acoles | k | 21:36 |
| notmyname | clayg: ok it's not like we won't have a great release if we don't land either one of these. just easier to ask now instead of later | 21:36 |
| clayg | cschwede_: we can totally think "this should be on master" - and have a different opinon about "this should be in a situation to recieve/require backports" | 21:36 |
| clayg | we're learning a bit about how to manage longer lived releases | 21:36 |
| notmyname | yeah, good point clayg. stuff that goes into this release will have backports for a year | 21:36 |
| clayg | notmyname: I think it's a great point! I hope I can keep a cool/level head next time it's my big feature that's about to go in weeks before an openstack release | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | but historically, backports aren't a huge burden for us | 21:37 |
| clayg | notmyname: I think we mostly just keep people up with master | 21:37 |
| notmyname | I just want to make sure we're comfortable with it and that someone isn't able to say "well I thought this was terrible and rushed in" | 21:38 |
| clayg | after the PTG i'm working on our LTS strategy for swift releases - so I may thinking about and complaining about backports more | 21:38 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: i'm afraid they will become more and more (at least to red hat) | 21:38 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: joys of getting older ;-) | 21:38 |
| clayg | ah - afaik people that have looked at it like it a lot :D | 21:38 |
| cschwede_ | well, more eyes won't hurt. and if there are concerns we should discuss them, maybe at the PTG if it's too close to the release | 21:39 |
| notmyname | yeah, from what I can tell, it's a good design, it's been thoroughly reviewed, and it's had a lot of the bad beaten out of it | 21:39 |
| clayg | wfm! | 21:39 |
| notmyname | so unless there's a "no! stop everything I've got a big issue", then we should plan on merging it based on mattoliverau's final review | 21:39 |
| clayg | last chance for someone to have a rush of conscience and save us all from our optimistic selfs? | 21:39 |
| notmyname | yep! | 21:40 |
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| clayg | wooooo! | 21:40 |
| notmyname | ok, now let's have the same exact discussion about kota_'s global ec patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219165/ | 21:40 |
| clayg | notmyname: i guess tdasilva is still looking at thing with probetests? | 21:40 |
| notmyname | kota_: first up, what's the status? | 21:40 |
| notmyname | clayg: tdasilva: ah yes | 21:41 |
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| kota_ | notmyname: i had great feedback from clayg and I'm filling small bits it should be addressed in the patch, mainly unittests for reconstructor and thought or quorum number | 21:42 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:42 |
| kota_ | and it looks like acoles leaves comments | 21:42 |
| notmyname | yeah | 21:42 |
| kota_ | while I was asleep | 21:42 |
| notmyname | have you had a chance to look at his -1 yet? | 21:42 |
| kota_ | not yet check out | 21:42 |
| notmyname | ah. sleep. seems like a bad habit ;-) | 21:42 |
| acoles | kota_: sorry it took me so long to get to reviewing it | 21:42 |
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| kota_ | so i'm planning I will push a new patch set to address both clayg's annd acoles's comments today | 21:43 |
| notmyname | kota_: you said it will (likely?) conflict with the part power patch? | 21:43 |
| kota_ | acoles: no worries and thanks! it looks great idea | 21:43 |
| clayg | i'm going to continue to advocate this is very much something we want. something we should land on master. something that is important to the direction of the project that should. and good to merge duplication support ahead of other needed features for global-ec | 21:43 |
| kota_ | notmyname: yup | 21:43 |
| kota_ | notmyname: gerrit says | 21:43 |
| notmyname | anyone want to fight clay on how awesome this replicated ec idea is? ;-) | 21:44 |
| kota_ | notmyname: i didn't see in detail yet, I'll try to look at if I have more time after addressing the comments | 21:44 |
| clayg | ... but there is little reason to include this change in octocat - it's not a deliverable feature - you can *use* it to run a global ec cluster - you can *play* with it (and maybe a few other hacks) to *test* (and hopefully validate) our current thinking on how swift should approach global-ec | 21:44 |
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| clayg | I want to land it before the PTG so we can talk about next steps | 21:44 |
| notmyname | clayg: so to summarize your position, it's a great idea but not a release blocker (nor is a great marketing thing in a release [and that matters]) | 21:45 |
| kota_ | clayg: +1 | 21:45 |
| acoles | +1 I think that if it's labelled experimenta; | 21:45 |
| clayg | that is my opinion and I recognize it may not be ideal - kota_ has had this patch up for a long time and he has responsibilities to advocate for it as he should | 21:45 |
| acoles | oops...then makes sense to land right after release | 21:45 |
| notmyname | yeah, but "for the release" is literally 1 or 2 days different than "before the ptg". essentially, before ptg == in the release | 21:46 |
| notmyname | granted, a few days *does* matter right at the end | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | I'd prefer to cut the ocata release as early next week as possible | 21:46 |
| clayg | notmyname: my hope is we can +2 the change and after you cut the octocat tag flip +a | 21:46 |
| notmyname | but we've got until thursday | 21:46 |
| clayg | I don't think it "should* be in the release - I want it to be right at the begining of the cycle | 21:47 |
| clayg | i want to *deliver global-ec* during P | 21:47 |
| clayg | duplicate support is step 1 merged day 1 of opening P up for development | 21:47 |
| clayg | head start! | 21:47 |
| mattoliverau | we could merge it at PTG as well | 21:47 |
| notmyname | ok, a different way to phrase it then is to actively review it and land it as quickly as possible, but don't consider a release deadline as a factor in when to land it | 21:48 |
| notmyname | ...and so if it's in ocata, ok. and if it's not, ok | 21:48 |
| mattoliverau | nice wordsmithing :) | 21:48 |
| clayg | yeah w/e - point is - i want it on master and not in the release - but... i wouldn't *cry* if it's in the release - but I have some slightly larger concerns maybe if it's in octocat - i'm maybe a little more loosy goosy merging it to development of P | 21:48 |
| notmyname | and if it's in, it's not like we can say "swift supports global ec" yet. still a lot of work | 21:48 |
| kota_ | notmyname: true | 21:49 |
| notmyname | kota_: you'll be looking at the review comments today, and perhaps taking a look at resolving some merge conflicts | 21:50 |
| notmyname | we'll land part power asap courtesy of timburke and tdasilva and mattoliverau | 21:50 |
| cschwede_ | hmm, not asap - don't rush it if there are concerns | 21:51 |
| notmyname | and if we get kota_'s patch in, we'll celebrate it with him. and if we don't, we'll have the *exact same* conversation in atlanta about it | 21:51 |
| notmyname | cschwede_: right :-) | 21:51 |
| kota_ | notmyname: yes, I'll take to work for ready that it *can be* merged with the highest priority | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | kota_: perfect. thanks | 21:51 |
| notmyname | ok, I'm feeling ok about what the next week looks like and what's expected to be in the release | 21:51 |
| notmyname | any questions from anyone? anyone not clear on what's happening? | 21:52 |
| notmyname | ok, good :-) | 21:52 |
| notmyname | last, brief topic | 21:52 |
| notmyname | #topic proposed logo | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | I put this in irc earlier... | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | http://d.not.mn/swift_draft_logo.png is from the foundation as a rev 2 of their proposed swift logo | 21:53 |
| joeljwright1 | is it a swift yet? | 21:53 |
| notmyname | joeljwright1: close | 21:53 |
| notmyname | more like a martin, actually ;-) | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | timburke countered with http://imgur.com/a/62naP (which personally I like better because it *does* look like a swift) | 21:53 |
| notmyname | so what do you think? | 21:54 |
| notmyname | also, ignore the hairline white lines in both. that's not in the final, I'm told | 21:54 |
| jrichli | timburke version +1 | 21:54 |
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| acoles | I was about to say the big white space in the middle is odd, so did timburke fill that | 21:55 |
| cschwede_ | timburke +1 | 21:55 |
| joeljwright1 | timburke: +1 | 21:55 |
| clayg | those poor design folks | 21:55 |
| notmyname | FWIW, swift vs swallow vs martin http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/22527420 | 21:55 |
| mattoliverau | timburke: +1 | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | clayg: yeah, I don't think they knew what they were getting in to | 21:56 |
| clayg | notmyname: I think the martin is fine - the entire thing is so crazy - Lidia does Swift's official logos - end of story | 21:56 |
| notmyname | ok, I'm hearing a lot of votes for timburke's filled-in version | 21:56 |
| acoles | yes, timburke +1 | 21:56 |
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| notmyname | ok, I'll respond with that feedback. thanks everyone, and especially timburke :-) | 21:57 |
| jrichli | i still haven't seen the other teams logo from ML | 21:57 |
| notmyname | look for "new mascot design" http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/thread.html | 21:57 |
| notmyname | the ironic one had a lot of drama | 21:57 |
| jrichli | thx | 21:57 |
| notmyname | but there are others in the feb and jan archives | 21:57 |
| notmyname | I think that covers it for this week | 21:58 |
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| notmyname | thank you everyone for coming | 21:58 |
| notmyname | and thank you for working on swift | 21:58 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 8 21:58:25 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-02-08-21.00.html | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-02-08-21.00.txt | 21:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-02-08-21.00.log.html | 21:58 |
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