| ekcs | time for congress meeting ramineni_ masahito aimeeu thinrichs | 00:01 |
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| aimeeu | Hi | 00:01 |
| ramineni_ | Hi | 00:01 |
| thinrichs | Hi all | 00:01 |
| ekcs | hi all! | 00:01 |
| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 00:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 9 00:01:46 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
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| ekcs | Hi all. hope everyone’s having a great week! | 00:02 |
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| ekcs | here are the topics I have for today. anything else on our minds? | 00:02 |
| ekcs | topics: | 00:02 |
| ekcs | - ocata bugs | 00:02 |
| ekcs | - PTG topics discussion | 00:02 |
| ekcs | - PTG social planning | 00:02 |
| masahito | hi | 00:02 |
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| ekcs | - stable/newton gate issue | 00:02 |
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| ekcs | ok let’s get startedthen =) | 00:04 |
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| ekcs | #topic ocata bugs | 00:04 |
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| ekcs | are there any new bugs we’d like to talk about? | 00:04 |
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| thinrichs | I ran into one .. the flag delete-datasources doesn't work. Let me dig up the bug number | 00:06 |
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| thinrichs | https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1663057 | 00:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1663057 in congress "Auto-deletion of datasources fails" [Undecided,New] | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | There might be a related bug. | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | If ceilometer isn't reachable, does the Ceilometer driver fail to initialize? That seemed to be what happened to me. | 00:07 |
| thinrichs | Example in that bug report | 00:07 |
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| ekcs | got it. so it seems like the deletion is requring the datasource be reachable? | 00:09 |
| thinrichs | I don't think so. Perhaps the writeup was misleading. | 00:09 |
| thinrichs | I think there might be 2 distinct issues. | 00:09 |
| thinrichs | 1. Supplying the delete-… flag on the command line references code that has been moved. | 00:10 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: I think bug seems to be because delete datasource is moved and not update in the function | 00:10 |
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| thinrichs | 2. The Congress ceilometer driver seems to need to talk to Ceilometer when initializing. If it can't Congress doesn't start. | 00:11 |
| thinrichs | ramineni_: agreed for #1 | 00:11 |
| ramineni_ | Will add quick fix for that | 00:12 |
| thinrichs | ramineni_: great! | 00:12 |
| ekcs | got it. | 00:12 |
| thinrichs | Does anyone know if the ceilometer driver connects to ceilometer on init? | 00:12 |
| thinrichs | We probably don't want congress to fail to start b/c it can't reach one of the other services. | 00:12 |
| ramineni_ | It doesn't I suppose | 00:12 |
| ekcs | so 1. the deletion flag implementation needs some fixing up. | 00:13 |
| ramineni_ | We just create client object | 00:13 |
| ekcs | 2. ceilometer driver fails to initialize if ceilometer not responsive. probably doesn’t have to be that way. | 00:13 |
| ekcs | agreed. | 00:14 |
| masahito | agreed | 00:14 |
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| thinrichs | If either of those 2 issues were fixed, I could have worked thru the problem, but since both were there I had to manually edit the database. | 00:14 |
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| ramineni_ | Isn't the error because aodh is not started yet | 00:15 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni_: You're right. Not sure why I was thinking it was ceilometer. | 00:15 |
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| thinrichs | The only other bug I saw was Eric's 500 on a nova delete. I've got a devstack that won't let me delete the 'nova' datasource. | 00:16 |
| ramineni_ | But it's happening with latest code ..I remember catching that exception and just return ing | 00:16 |
| ramineni_ | ?? | 00:16 |
| thinrichs | I just created a new devstack this afternoon, so it should be from the tip of master. | 00:17 |
| ramineni_ | Ok | 00:17 |
| ekcs | yea. the nova delete bug is here. | 00:18 |
| ekcs | https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1662809 | 00:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1662809 in congress "500 error on nova datasource delete" [Undecided,New] | 00:18 |
| ekcs | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1662809 | 00:18 |
| ekcs | i’ve narrowed down on how to reproduce it. | 00:18 |
| ekcs | three things needed: | 00:19 |
| ekcs | 1. a rule that mentions the datasource in head and body. | 00:19 |
| ekcs | 2. the congress instance has to be “newly started”. if certain things take place, the error no longer occurs. | 00:20 |
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| ekcs | quite strange. | 00:20 |
| thinrichs | What's the 3rd thing? | 00:21 |
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| ekcs | oops I guess just 2 | 00:21 |
| thinrichs | Know what causes "newly started" to be false? | 00:21 |
| thinrichs | I went thru that script of yours once (kind of) manually, then deleted the policies and new datasources, and ran the script again and saw the bug. | 00:22 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: I know i said over email maybe this is the cause of the depedency graph issue, but it could also be the dependence graph issue already exists and causes the 500 here. | 00:22 |
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| ekcs | thinrichs: actually I didn’t say it quite right. | 00:24 |
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| ekcs | here’s what happens. | 00:26 |
| thinrichs | Hmmm…interesting wrinkle. | 00:26 |
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| thinrichs | Seems the nova datasource delete command returned 404 for me, but then deleted the datasource. | 00:26 |
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| ekcs | if I experience the error, then delete and create policy1 then run the same script again that generated the error the first time, error does not occur.. | 00:27 |
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| thinrichs | Interesting | 00:27 |
| ekcs | but if i create and delete right from the start of congress, error still happens. quite strange. | 00:28 |
| ekcs | anyway. just want to mention it. not going to solve it here probably. | 00:28 |
| ekcs | pretty important bug to fix because it is related to another issue that stops all rule insertions. | 00:29 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: I think it returns 404 because the delete went through the DB but didn’t finish in congress. so when you run delete again after a DS sync, the ds wasn’t there any more. | 00:30 |
| ekcs | If I add the DS again and delete again it’s back to the 500 error. | 00:30 |
| thinrichs | ok | 00:30 |
| ekcs | well let’s move on then. | 00:31 |
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| ekcs | unless someone wants to talk about another bug. | 00:31 |
| ekcs | #topic PTG topics discussion | 00:32 |
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| ekcs | Thanks all for adding more thoughts to the etherpad. $link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-ptg-pike | 00:32 |
| ekcs | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-ptg-pike | 00:32 |
| ekcs | is there anything we want to quickly discuss/clarify here? | 00:33 |
| ekcs | (may not be) | 00:33 |
| ekcs | I’m wondering what is meant by this: | 00:34 |
| ekcs | parallel enforcement: policy engine calls datasource driver serially when some actions needed. | 00:34 |
| ekcs | which is the desired behavior? parallel or serial? | 00:34 |
| masahito | it's an optional feature. | 00:35 |
| masahito | I suppose congress has new flag, parallel enforcement or something like this. | 00:36 |
| ekcs | masahito: got it. so which behavior is it that we want to consider adding? parallel or serial? | 00:36 |
| masahito | parallel | 00:36 |
| ekcs | for performance/responsiveness reasons? | 00:36 |
| masahito | I'll add an example rule in the enforcement. | 00:36 |
| masahito | ekcs: yes | 00:37 |
| ekcs | masahito: got it! | 00:37 |
| masahito | s/in the enforcement/in the etherpad/ | 00:37 |
| ekcs | so why don’t we continue adding our thoughts to the etherpad (if there is more), and I’ll send out on ML a proposed rough schedule that we can finalize next IRC? | 00:38 |
| ekcs | based on all the topics in the pad. | 00:38 |
| thinrichs | Sounds good | 00:39 |
| ekcs | ok moving on then if there’s nothing else on this topic atm. | 00:39 |
| ekcs | #topic PTG social | 00:40 |
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| ekcs | thinrichs sent out an email regarding this. | 00:40 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: you wanna talk more about it? | 00:40 |
| thinrichs | Here's the link | 00:40 |
| thinrichs | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/111762.html | 00:40 |
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| thinrichs | I found 2 vegetarian-friendly restaurants for dinner (one Ethiopian, one American), both highly rated on trip advisor. | 00:41 |
| thinrichs | I also found 2 outings: the aquarium and the botanical gardens | 00:41 |
| thinrichs | We could do a combo of dinner and outing, or just 1 of them. | 00:41 |
| ekcs | I’ve heard good things about the aquariam. | 00:42 |
| thinrichs | Other preferences? | 00:42 |
| thinrichs | Did we ever pick a day? Wed night or Thu night? | 00:42 |
| masahito | thinrichs: thank you! all of your choices looks great! | 00:43 |
| thinrichs | Thanks! I'm happy to do it. | 00:43 |
| ekcs | I don’t think we picked a day. | 00:43 |
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| ramineni_ | thinrichs: thanks for the options .. looks great | 00:45 |
| ekcs | aquarium i heard is really great, but i’m not sure how much time people want to dedicate to it. if we do a quick mid-day trip, it feels like a waste of the $44 ticket. | 00:45 |
| thinrichs | And we can always choose to do the aquarium / botanical gardens on the spur of the moment when we're there. | 00:46 |
| thinrichs | Maybe we should choose a restaurant and a day and make reservations | 00:46 |
| ekcs | great let’s do that. | 00:46 |
| thinrichs | Any preferences for days or Ethiopian/American? | 00:46 |
| thinrichs | If not, I can pick one when making reservations. | 00:47 |
| ekcs | both restaurants seem good to me. no preference. | 00:47 |
| ramineni_ | Thursday should be good | 00:47 |
| ekcs | I slightly prefer thursday but not by much. | 00:47 |
| ramineni_ | Ethiopian looks far right | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | masahito, aimeeu: preference on day? | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | Ethiopian is a little farther away (20min). | 00:48 |
| masahito | I prefer Thursday | 00:48 |
| aimeeu | no preference on day or restaurant | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | Thursday it is then. | 00:49 |
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| thinrichs | I'd lean toward the american place, since it's closer. | 00:49 |
| ekcs | sounds good to me. | 00:50 |
| ramineni_ | Sounds good .. | 00:50 |
| masahito | me too | 00:50 |
| thinrichs | Okay. I'll make the reservation for Thu night at the American place. Say 7p? | 00:51 |
| aimeeu | yes - no easy way to get to Ethiopian on the MARTA | 00:51 |
| ekcs | 7p sounds good too. | 00:52 |
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| ekcs | ok then are we done with this topic for now? | 00:53 |
| thinrichs | Yep | 00:53 |
| ekcs | thanks thinrichs ! | 00:53 |
| ekcs | #topic open discussion | 00:53 |
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| ekcs | go for it if anyone has anything to discuss =) | 00:54 |
| ekcs | who’s going to be there on friday btw? maybe we could do an unofficial outing on friday for those interested. and include some other folks we know/meet too. | 00:55 |
| aimeeu | I may be interested (or I may be in AT&T meetings) | 00:55 |
| aimeeu | My flight leaves Atlanta at 9 pm | 00:56 |
| thinrichs | I'm not there on Friday. :( | 00:56 |
| masahito | I'll be there on Friday. | 00:56 |
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| ramineni_ | I'll be there too | 00:56 |
| ekcs | ok got it. maybe i’ll look into that and send out an email. | 00:57 |
| ekcs | last three minutes. | 00:57 |
| ekcs | just wanna say even though we have found a couple more bugs it seems to be fewer than at the same spot in some of the previous releases in my memory. probably both because we limited features and we did a good job of finding & fixing things early. | 00:59 |
| ekcs | good job everyone =) | 00:59 |
| thinrichs | Thanks all! | 00:59 |
| ekcs | alright then. have a great week all and see you next time! | 01:00 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 01:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 9 01:00:34 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-02-09-00.01.html | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-02-09-00.01.txt | 01:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-02-09-00.01.log.html | 01:00 |
| masahito | thank you, all | 01:00 |
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| eumel8 | morning | 06:52 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, morning! | 06:57 |
| eumel8 | hey, man! | 06:58 |
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| ianychoi | :) How r u going? | 06:59 |
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| eumel8 | good, and you? | 06:59 |
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| ianychoi | Yep me too with lots of work.. .but busy means that I am going in a right way | 06:59 |
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| eumel8 | *g* | 07:00 |
| ianychoi | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 07:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 9 07:00:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 07:00 |
| ianychoi | #roll | 07:00 |
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| ianychoi | zzxwill, Daisy hello! | 07:00 |
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| zzxwill | Hi Ian. | 07:00 |
| zzxwill | Hi Daisy. | 07:00 |
| eumel8 | hi zzxwill | 07:00 |
| jpich | o/ | 07:01 |
| ianychoi | Oh jpich hi :) | 07:01 |
| zzxwill | Hi eumel8. | 07:01 |
| Daisy | Hi, ianychoi, zzxwill, eumel8 | 07:01 |
| ianychoi | Nice :) Then let me start today topics | 07:01 |
| ianychoi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/I18nTeamMeeting | 07:01 |
| eumel8 | Daisy, really there? Can't imagine ;) | 07:01 |
| ianychoi | haha | 07:01 |
| Daisy | eumel8: yes, real Daisy | 07:02 |
| eumel8 | nice to see you, Daisy | 07:02 |
| ianychoi | #topic Translation progress w.r.t. Hard StringFreeze | 07:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Translation progress w.r.t. Hard StringFreeze (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:02 | |
| ianychoi | Actually.. so interestingly | 07:02 |
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| ianychoi | I did not know that there have been so long Chinese holidays during Soft & Hard StringFreeze | 07:02 |
| eumel8 | holidays are already good :) | 07:03 |
| ianychoi | On Monday morning, I have just seen that Daisy was getting online and I have heard that there was Chinese new year | 07:03 |
| ianychoi | Daisy, zzxwill sorry for my still lack of your culture.. I heard so long time that Chinese new year is important but I might have forgot it | 07:04 |
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| ianychoi | #link | 07:04 |
| ianychoi | #link https://translate.openstack.org/version-group/view/ocata-dashboard-translation/projects | 07:04 |
| zzxwill | It's fine:) | 07:04 |
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| ianychoi | The link is all the projects which are now related to I18n team's translation plan and priority | 07:05 |
| ianychoi | #link https://translate.openstack.org/ | 07:05 |
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| ianychoi | And this link is what I18n team is more focusing | 07:05 |
| ianychoi | Now there are total 9 out of 12 stable-ocata versions in Zanata | 07:06 |
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| ianychoi | Ideally, I18n team needs to focus to review translated strings in stable-ocata versions. | 07:07 |
| ianychoi | But.. some projects do not have stable/ocata branch yet so.. | 07:07 |
| ianychoi | I have no idea how me carefully notice with detail context | 07:08 |
| ianychoi | BTW, zzxwill how Chinese translation is going? | 07:08 |
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| ianychoi | Last week, I remember that Korean, French, Indonesnan, and Japanese translations are going fine | 07:09 |
| zzxwill | Not good, it's my responsibility for not being devoted much time on Chinese i18n team. | 07:09 |
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| zzxwill | Simplified Chinese ranks 7, which is not good. | 07:10 |
| ianychoi | For ranking, I think the rank calculation includes release-notes | 07:10 |
| ianychoi | So I now would like to suggest that: | 07:11 |
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| ianychoi | - More focus on stable-ocata versions in Zanata, for example, horizon: https://translate.openstack.org/version-group/view/ocata-dashboard-translation/projects/horizon/stable-ocata | 07:11 |
| jftalta | Hi ! | 07:11 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, hi! | 07:11 |
| ianychoi | Also, translation reviewings would be so important | 07:12 |
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| ianychoi | - Using translation checksite (although it is unofficial) for translation review & translation checksite feedback | 07:12 |
| ianychoi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2017-January/002701.html | 07:12 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, I great appreciate this implementation, eumel8 ! | 07:13 |
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| jftalta | so do I :) | 07:13 |
| eumel8 | yes | 07:13 |
| ianychoi | And.. I have heard that Ilya (adiantum) is now ill.. | 07:13 |
| eumel8 | hi jftalta | 07:13 |
| jftalta | hi eumel8 | 07:13 |
| zzxwill | Does translation review count on StackAlytics? Ianychoi Translator tends not to do reviewing I think. | 07:14 |
| ianychoi | Could someone want to delegate string freeze manager role from now to 2 weeks? | 07:14 |
| jftalta | ill ?... | 07:14 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, yep sick.. I briefly talked with him about two days ago | 07:14 |
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| ianychoi | zzxwill, currently no translation review metric in Stackalytics but yes. I want to include... but I think I need to think about this implemention in Pike cycle, not current cycle | 07:15 |
| zzxwill | Great. Thx. | 07:15 |
| jftalta | hi zzxwill | 07:15 |
| zzxwill | Hi jftalta. | 07:15 |
| ianychoi | Note that string freeze period is so important in i18n team, and taking care all of things from me would not be a good idea | 07:16 |
| ianychoi | I would like to collaborate with more i18n team members :) | 07:16 |
| ianychoi | Any volunteers for stringfreeze manager? | 07:16 |
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| ianychoi | (Oh silence.. T.T) | 07:17 |
| jpich | Maybe send an email to the list about it for people who can't attend the meeting today, and also describes the tasks involved so it's clear what someone needs to do? | 07:17 |
| zzxwill | +1 | 07:18 |
| eumel8 | +1 | 07:18 |
| jftalta | +1 | 07:18 |
| ianychoi | jpich, right but... only 1-2 weeks are left | 07:18 |
| ianychoi | zzxwill, would you take over this role? | 07:18 |
| jpich | I understand :( | 07:19 |
| jftalta | it's true. but nonone said I take the task ... | 07:19 |
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| ianychoi | Hmm.. I think StringFreeze manager does not have numerous work.. | 07:20 |
| jpich | Is there a page documenting the work? | 07:21 |
| eumel8 | someone else from the Russian Team? I would prefer to send an email to the list and we will find a solution today.. | 07:21 |
| jftalta | i agree | 07:21 |
| ianychoi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2017-January/002673.html | 07:21 |
| ianychoi | (I was finding this link.) | 07:21 |
| jpich | Great, thank you! | 07:22 |
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| ianychoi | jpich, np :) | 07:22 |
| zzxwill | I am afraid that I don't have much time for the role, but I will call in Chinese team and I will reply you by tonight at 16:00 PM UTC. | 07:22 |
| ianychoi | zzxwill, thanks | 07:22 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, yep.. I may write an e-mail in openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org | 07:23 |
| eumel8 | thx | 07:23 |
| ianychoi | Okay thanks all :) | 07:23 |
| jftalta | :) | 07:23 |
| ianychoi | #link Discussion: Soft & Hard StringFreezes & Release models | 07:23 |
| ianychoi | Oops.. | 07:23 |
| ianychoi | #topic Discussion: Soft & Hard StringFreezes & Release models | 07:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion: Soft & Hard StringFreezes & Release models (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:23 | |
| ianychoi | StringFreeze periods are defined in here: | 07:24 |
| ianychoi | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 07:24 |
| ianychoi | And.. | 07:24 |
| ianychoi | #link https://releases.openstack.org/reference/release_models.html Release models | 07:24 |
| ianychoi | In releasenote schedule, Sotft & Hard StringFreeze periods are defined | 07:25 |
| ianychoi | And.. AFAIK I18n team has decided translation plans & priorities from now mainly horizon & plugin projects | 07:25 |
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| jftalta | that's right | 07:25 |
| ianychoi | But.. recently, I have got to know: 1) Soft & Hard StringFreezes are valid for only cycle-with-milestones release model | 07:26 |
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| eumel8 | are there some discussion mailing-lists about changes in the time scheduling? | 07:26 |
| ianychoi | and 2) other release models such as cycle-with-intermediary and cycle-trailing will release around "Final RCs and intermediary releases" or later | 07:26 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, no it was not the change | 07:26 |
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| ianychoi | It was the definition for a long time... as far as i know but me did not recognize.. | 07:27 |
| jpich | Up to 2 weeks after the other projects' releases, for cycle-trailing | 07:27 |
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| eumel8 | ok | 07:27 |
| ianychoi | And even.. i18n team might have not recognized | 07:27 |
| ianychoi | But.. some horizon plugin projects follow other release models such as cycle-with-intermediary and cycle-trailing | 07:28 |
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| jftalta | not clear for me... | 07:29 |
| ianychoi | So... my question now is that.. should we take of soft & hard stringfreezes for all the release models? | 07:29 |
| ianychoi | s/take/take care/ | 07:29 |
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| ianychoi | jftalta, for example, for horizon project, horizon team developed a lot and the team will create less string changes from Soft StringFreeze | 07:30 |
| ianychoi | And.. after hard StringFreeze, much less changes | 07:30 |
| ianychoi | Around Hard StringFreeze, horizon team creates stable branch: e.g., stable/ocata | 07:30 |
| jftalta | ok. So ?... | 07:30 |
| ianychoi | But.. for example, magnum-ui is different | 07:31 |
| ianychoi | The release model for magnum-ui is cycle-with-intermediary | 07:31 |
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| jftalta | ok | 07:31 |
| ianychoi | And one project team with such release model said that they just create stable branch around release date | 07:31 |
| ianychoi | So I think... considering soft & hard stringfreezes would be limited in cycle-with-milestone releasemodel | 07:32 |
| jftalta | so we have to deal with the master branch, right ? | 07:32 |
| ianychoi | For other release models, yep I can take care of the creation of stable-versions | 07:32 |
| ianychoi | But.. one worry for me is that then I should be busy from soft stringfreeze to hard stringfreeze and even after the releasedate | 07:33 |
| ianychoi | For PTL, more awareness of soft & hard StringFreeze is fine although it is somewhat busy | 07:33 |
| ianychoi | But.. taking more time would be so lots of burden to PTL | 07:34 |
| ianychoi | But.. I do not want to discuss PTL burden.... | 07:34 |
| ianychoi | I would like to ask: my proposal would be a good idea or not | 07:34 |
| ianychoi | Or.. some more projects would be considered? | 07:35 |
| ianychoi | For example, magnum-ui looks nice to end users | 07:35 |
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| ianychoi | also.. horizon-lbaas-dashboard and octavia-dashboard (in future) | 07:35 |
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| ianychoi | If they look fine and they are so attractive to translators, then talking to release team to also consider Soft & Hard StringFreezes to those releasemodels would be the better way I think. | 07:36 |
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| ianychoi | + I need to talk with Horizon PTL | 07:36 |
| robcresswell | You rang? | 07:36 |
| robcresswell | Or did you want r1chardj0n3s :) | 07:37 |
| ianychoi | robcresswell, hello horizon Pike PTL :) | 07:37 |
| jpich | Maybe the i18n liaisons for these projects (with different release models) can take care of announcing soft freeze/hard freeze about their own projects? Are there other ways to help? | 07:37 |
| ianychoi | I think I need to talk with you during Pike PTG for stringfreeze periods for other release models: cycle-with-intermediary and so on | 07:37 |
| ianychoi | jpich, yes. I18n has crossproject liaison | 07:38 |
| ianychoi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#I18n | 07:38 |
| robcresswell | ianychoi: We can discuss at the PTG if you like? | 07:38 |
| ianychoi | Another possible idea would be that I18n considers translation plan & priority for the projects which have i18n liaison | 07:38 |
| ianychoi | robcresswell, I really would like to discuss with you Thanks a lot | 07:39 |
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| ianychoi | Now I would like to listen to more thoughts and ideas from I18n team. | 07:39 |
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| robcresswell | :) | 07:39 |
| ianychoi | This is somewhat complex... | 07:40 |
| ianychoi | And I have nothing already decided | 07:40 |
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| ianychoi | suh, hi :) | 07:41 |
| jftalta | yes. i think we have to go on discussing thiis point, on irc, by email,... | 07:41 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, jftalta, zzxwill, more thoughts now regarding this topic? | 07:41 |
| suh | hi Ian | 07:41 |
| jftalta | suh hi | 07:42 |
| suh | hi Jf | 07:42 |
| ianychoi | I just would like to tell as much as possible today and I do not want to decide something for this topic :) | 07:42 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, jftalta, zzxwill, I think you all understood current situation. | 07:42 |
| ianychoi | And.. let's more talk via future converations :) | 07:43 |
| jftalta | +1 | 07:43 |
| ianychoi | Then.. can I move on the next topic? | 07:44 |
| katomo | +1 | 07:44 |
| ianychoi | Oh katomo hi! | 07:44 |
| katomo | hi | 07:44 |
| jftalta | katomo, hi | 07:44 |
| ianychoi | :) | 07:44 |
| zzxwill | Hello katomo. | 07:44 |
| ianychoi | #topic TripleO-UI translation | 07:44 |
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| eumel8 | ianychoi: I have no idea what's the best, But it's a good idea to talk to the other people and maybe we found a solution after PTG | 07:45 |
| eumel8 | hi katomo | 07:45 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, yep thanks a lot :) | 07:45 |
| ianychoi | Today, I would like to introduce jpich : She is from tripleo team | 07:45 |
| katomo | hello jftalta, zzxwill, eumel8 | 07:45 |
| jpich | o/ | 07:46 |
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| eumel8 | hello jpich :) | 07:46 |
| katomo | hi jpich | 07:46 |
| ianychoi | She said that it would be much better for I18n team to also consider tripleo-ui in translation plan & priorities | 07:46 |
| jpich | Hi everyone :) | 07:46 |
| katomo | hm | 07:46 |
| jpich | Oh, I didn't say that. But since Ocata it is now also available for translating on Zanata, if people want :) | 07:47 |
| ianychoi | If translators have some interests on tripleo-ui translation, feel free to talk with jpich :) | 07:47 |
| katomo | AFAIK, A few Japanese team members want to translate tripleo-ui. | 07:47 |
| ianychoi | jpich, haha I might have over-thought from your talking sorry | 07:47 |
| jpich | katomo: Yes, Yuko Katabami already translated it :) | 07:47 |
| ianychoi | jpich, Korean translation is now 100% :) | 07:47 |
| katomo | jpich: exactly | 07:47 |
| jpich | ianychoi: I know the team is very busy and it's not as important as Horizon :) | 07:48 |
| ianychoi | katomo, wow.. nice! | 07:48 |
| ianychoi | #topic I18n cross project liaison | 07:48 |
| jpich | We're a new project so thanks to ianychoi, Yuko-san's translations we're already finding problems with missing strings... https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bugs?field.tag=i18n We will be working on fixing this!! | 07:48 |
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| ianychoi | I have changed the topic.. since this topic is related with jpich :) | 07:49 |
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| ianychoi | jpich, thanks a lot for tagging with i18n. | 07:49 |
| ianychoi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#I18n | 07:49 |
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| jpich | No problems, makes it easier for the team to prioritise too | 07:50 |
| ianychoi | This is the current list for i18n cross project liaison. | 07:50 |
| ianychoi | When I wrote my PTL candidacy for Ocata cycle, I really wanted to vitalize i18n cross project liaison.. but I admit that I have more busy with other things.. such as Zanata upgrade, more taking care of I18n things, and.. more involvment in docs team for PDF docs implementation | 07:51 |
| ianychoi | From this week, I started to contact the existing i18n cross project liaison whether they want to continue this role or not | 07:52 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, happliy said that he will continue horizon liaison (I think a few months ago and also last week) | 07:52 |
| ianychoi | Shu Muto, from magnum team, also said that he would happily continue magnum liaison. | 07:53 |
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| ianychoi | For other liaisons, I could not find them via IRC, but I will contact the PTLs from the teams | 07:53 |
| eumel8 | very good | 07:53 |
| katomo | nice work | 07:53 |
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| jpich | Agreed | 07:54 |
| ianychoi | Thanks, eumel8 and katomo | 07:54 |
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| ianychoi | And.. recently I have been talking a lot with jpich for i18n issues with tripleo-ui | 07:54 |
| jftalta | great :) | 07:54 |
| ianychoi | So I think it would be much better if jpich will be i18n-triple cross project liaison | 07:54 |
| ianychoi | One thing I am now worried that on the wiki, it says: "The liaison should be a core reviewer for the project and understand i18n status of the project" | 07:55 |
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| ianychoi | Unfortunately, she is not tripleo core, but yesterday, I talked with tripleo PTL and he agree with my proposal. | 07:55 |
| ianychoi | s/agree/agreed | 07:55 |
| eumel8 | ok | 07:55 |
| ianychoi | So. what do you think about "The liaison should be a core reviewer for the project and understand i18n status of the project" statement and jpich's tripleo liaison? | 07:56 |
| jpich | FWIW: TripleO has a dozen components, I am core for some of them but not the UI. Although yesterday we agreed with the PTL and tripleo-ui core teams that I could use my +2 on i18n patches for the UI as needed | 07:56 |
| ianychoi | And.. if needed, I will do more call for i18n cross project liaison later :) | 07:56 |
| jpich | More liaisons \o/ | 07:56 |
| ianychoi | :) | 07:57 |
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| ianychoi | Daisy, "the coreship for i18n crossproject liaison" is essential? | 07:57 |
| eumel8 | yes, more liaisons, but it's not so important that must be a core reviewer of the project. understanding of the i18n status is more important. | 07:58 |
| katomo | Also, if we agree, you can change the statement "should be a core" | 07:58 |
| katomo | eumel8: agree | 07:59 |
| ianychoi | katomo, eumel8 yep.. all agree with this idea? | 07:59 |
| eumel8 | yes | 07:59 |
| ianychoi | 1 min left.. | 07:59 |
| jftalta | +1 | 07:59 |
| jpich | Maybe add "Ideally," at the beginning of the sentence? | 07:59 |
| katomo | +1 | 07:59 |
| eumel8 | +1 | 07:59 |
| ianychoi | Three cores agreed | 07:59 |
| Daisy | ianychoi: if we can get more liaisons without this cretia, I think it's not that necessary. | 07:59 |
| ianychoi | 4 Cores :) | 07:59 |
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| Daisy | +1 | 07:59 |
| ianychoi | jpich, congrats! | 07:59 |
| jpich | Thank you! :) | 07:59 |
| jftalta | Daisy, hi ! | 07:59 |
| katomo | yay! | 07:59 |
| Daisy | hi, jftalta | 08:00 |
| ianychoi | Yep.. let's move on #openstack-i18n channel if we have more things to be discussed | 08:00 |
| katomo | hello Daisy | 08:00 |
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| ianychoi | Thanks a lot today meeting! | 08:00 |
| ianychoi | #endmeeting | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 9 08:00:12 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-02-09-07.00.html | 08:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-02-09-07.00.txt | 08:00 |
| eumel8 | thx | 08:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-02-09-07.00.log.html | 08:00 |
| Daisy | Thank you, all | 08:00 |
| jftalta | thx, bye | 08:00 |
| ianychoi | I think there will be no next meeting | 08:00 |
| jpich | Thanks | 08:00 |
| katomo | thanks, all | 08:00 |
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| ianychoi | I should finish the meeting within one hour | 08:00 |
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| zzxwill | Thx. | 08:01 |
| suh | thanks | 08:01 |
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| gmann | #startmeeting qa | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 9 09:00:14 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 09:00 |
| masayukig | o/ | 09:00 |
| gmann | hello, who all here today ? | 09:00 |
| gmann | masayukig: hi | 09:00 |
| zhufl | hi | 09:00 |
| gmann | zhufl: hi, nice to see you in meeting | 09:01 |
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| zhufl | gmann:^-^ | 09:01 |
| gmann | let's wait for few more min to have more people | 09:01 |
| DavidPurcell | o/ good morning | 09:02 |
| gmann | DavidPurcell: morning | 09:02 |
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| gmann | dmellado chandankumar .. | 09:02 |
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| tosky | o/ | 09:03 |
| gmann | tosky: hi | 09:03 |
| blancos | o/ | 09:03 |
| gmann | blancos: hi | 09:03 |
| gmann | let's start as we enough people now | 09:03 |
| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_February_9th_2017_.280900_UTC.29 | 09:03 |
| gmann | ^^ today agenda | 09:03 |
| chandankumar | dmellado: gmann \o/ | 09:04 |
| gmann | I really want to track ocata cycle items more precisely to avoid missing priority items after good plan | 09:04 |
| gmann | chandankumar: hi | 09:04 |
| gmann | but let's do it from next meeting onwards as we have to plan for PTG | 09:05 |
| gmann | #topic PTG | 09:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:05 | |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-ptg-pike | 09:05 |
| gmann | etherpad link | 09:05 |
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| gmann | we have lot of ideas which is nice thing | 09:05 |
| gmann | we still waiting for what all room(with capacity ) we will be allocated | 09:06 |
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| gmann | and depending on that we can plan each sessions | 09:06 |
| gmann | but i think we should keep dividing the sessions with time slot based on priority | 09:07 |
| gmann | i will check with andreaf how he want to process each sessions. | 09:07 |
| gmann | time + parallel allocation of sessions | 09:07 |
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| gmann | #action gmann to check with andreaf about time allocation of PTG sessions | 09:08 |
| gmann | any feedback ideas about sessions discussions in PTG ? | 09:08 |
| masayukig | gmann : yeah, and I think we have some interactive sessions with the other projects | 09:08 |
| masayukig | I think we( andreaf? ) need to coordinate for it. | 09:08 |
| gmann | masayukig: yea honestly saying i see very challenges in such sessions | 09:09 |
| gmann | not sure how much people from required projects we will have there | 09:09 |
| gmann | +1 | 09:09 |
| masayukig | heh, yea | 09:09 |
| gmann | so we have interactive projects section in each one and let's take those and coordinate with other projects via ML or their PTL etc | 09:10 |
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| masayukig | +1 | 09:10 |
| chandankumar | +1 | 09:10 |
| gmann | #action andreaf to send notification/request to ask required projects representative from their PTL/Cores in cross project sessions | 09:11 |
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| gmann | i am putting AI for andreaf but all team is there to help and he can divide the resp in case of overloaded :) | 09:11 |
| dmellado | gmann: o/ | 09:11 |
| gmann | dmellado: hi | 09:11 |
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| gmann | hope you all join PTG | 09:12 |
| gmann | zhufl: hope you get the visa things before PTG dates | 09:12 |
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| dmellado | gmann: yep, I'll be there. We couldn't get chandankumar visa in time, sadly | 09:12 |
| gmann | oh | 09:12 |
| gmann | dmellado: thanks | 09:12 |
| masayukig | oh.. :( | 09:12 |
| dmellado | gmann: masayukig | 09:12 |
| zhufl | gmann:me may not:( | 09:12 |
| dmellado | that said | 09:13 |
| DavidPurcell | I can't, but other AT&T folks will be there :( | 09:13 |
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| dmellado | I'll be trying to put all things in etherpad/irc | 09:13 |
| gmann | chandankumar: even lot of rejection from my india team but fortunately one member for in a week | 09:13 |
| dmellado | so he can join online | 09:13 |
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| dmellado | and hopefully more folks would be able to, too | 09:13 |
| gmann | chandankumar: you applying from channai or delhi ? | 09:13 |
| gmann | DavidPurcell: oh, yea nice to have people | 09:13 |
| gmann | chandankumar: let us know if we can help anything on visa things | 09:14 |
| gmann | another things if you have any other topic to discus feel free to add on etherpad | 09:15 |
| * dmellado thought that India nationals could apply to ESTA | 09:15 | |
| dmellado | tbh I was quite surprised when I found out all this visa stuff... | 09:15 |
| gmann | dmellado: yea, its all complicated for me too | 09:16 |
| gmann | zhufl: i added topic of coordinating company owned tests to upstream as you mentioned in mail | 09:16 |
| gmann | and let's try to find the best way to do that | 09:16 |
| dmellado | gmann: I'll try to join that discussion too | 09:16 |
| zhufl | gmann: yes I see it ,thank you:) | 09:16 |
| gmann | we really encourage people to upstream their tests/ideas | 09:17 |
| chandankumar | gmann: i was going through mumbai | 09:17 |
| gmann | dmellado: cool | 09:17 |
| dmellado | there are quite a few folks working with me who I'm really trying to push upstream | 09:17 |
| gmann | chandankumar: ohk, and they takes time or it is not approved ? | 09:17 |
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| gmann | dmellado: great, that is good news | 09:17 |
| dmellado | gmann: chandankumar told me it'd just take too long to get it done | 09:17 |
| chandankumar | gmann: the queue was very long. | 09:17 |
| dmellado | and internally we were also a li'l bit late | 09:17 |
| gmann | hummm | 09:18 |
| gmann | anything else to discuss for PTG ? | 09:18 |
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| dmellado | gmann: I guess also for the PTG | 09:18 |
| dmellado | we could try to do a bug smash session | 09:18 |
| gmann | till next meeting at 17UTC we should be ready with all PTG preparation. mainly sessions allocation | 09:19 |
| gmann | dmellado: nice idea, we can try that if we or some people have time | 09:19 |
| gmann | may be worth to have a group working on that and people can join that | 09:19 |
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| dmellado | that's what I think too | 09:20 |
| gmann | cool. | 09:20 |
| gmann | dmellado: out that idea on etherpad till we just forget after meeting | 09:20 |
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| * dmellado typing as we speak | 09:20 | |
| gmann | #action dmellado to add bug smash sessions on etherpad | 09:21 |
| gmann | #topic Specs Reviews | 09:21 |
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| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 09:21 |
| gmann | i can see new spec on grenade - | 09:21 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422170/ | 09:21 |
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| gmann | check this out if get time | 09:22 |
| jordanP | (o/ Sorry I am late) | 09:22 |
| gmann | jordanP: hi | 09:22 |
| gmann | anyone want to discuss anything specific to current specs | 09:22 |
| gmann | we should start spec writing for PTG sessions where ever applicable | 09:23 |
| gmann | it will utilize our time in PTG more efficiently | 09:23 |
| masayukig | yeah, good idea | 09:24 |
| gmann | even etherpad preapration etc can be done as early as possible | 09:24 |
| jordanP | yeah, if the "session owners" could fill the etherpad a much as possible that would be great | 09:24 |
| gmann | jordanP: +1 | 09:24 |
| * masayukig nods | 09:24 | |
| jordanP | so that we know what we want to achieve | 09:24 |
| gmann | so let's iterate the eptherpad may be next early and start finishing all these TODO for each sessions | 09:25 |
| jordanP | yeah | 09:25 |
| dmellado | +1 | 09:27 |
| gmann | sorry guys nework issue | 09:27 |
| dmellado | np gmann | 09:27 |
| masayukig | :) | 09:27 |
| dmellado | can you go ahead with the meeting? if you can't we can handle it ;) | 09:27 |
| gmann | i will be able to spend more time this weekend as no cricket match for me | 09:27 |
| gmann | let's move | 09:27 |
| gmann | #topic Tempest | 09:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:28 | |
| zhufl | can we come to an agreement on when to use Nova's security group and when to use Neutron's security group in testcases? | 09:28 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tempest+status:open | 09:28 |
| zhufl | In ScenarioTest, create_server uses Neutron's security group, while _create_security_group uses Nova's, that will cause trouble | 09:28 |
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| gmann | zhufl: neutron one always for new tests | 09:28 |
| zhufl | new tests? | 09:29 |
| gmann | zhufl: we have deprecated security group and all kind of proxy in Nova | 09:29 |
| dmellado | yeah, nova one is really legacy | 09:29 |
| jordanP | yeah, new tests should use Neutron API for security grouos | 09:29 |
| jordanP | old tests should be kept as is | 09:29 |
| gmann | zhufl: we do not want to completely remove from existing tests as those are deprecated not removed yet | 09:29 |
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| gmann | even for image volume things also new tests should use direct API not nova proxy | 09:30 |
| zhufl | oh, and if neutron's security group is not enabled? | 09:30 |
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| zhufl | if neutron's security group ext is not enabled | 09:30 |
| gmann | zhufl: it means skip the tests as cloud is what with no sec group | 09:30 |
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| gmann | and on gate we make sure we have those enabled | 09:31 |
| jordanP | yeah, probably skip the tests | 09:31 |
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| zhufl | ok, I see. that will be simple then | 09:31 |
| gmann | but test should have logic to skip if required extension is not there | 09:31 |
| zhufl | yes | 09:31 |
| gmann | so that tempest can be able to run on a type of cloud | 09:31 |
| dmellado | yep, that should be dealt with a skip decorator | 09:32 |
| zhufl | and shall we change using Nova' security group to using Neutron's in old testtests? | 09:32 |
| gmann | yea or in skip method if it depends on all tests in that class | 09:32 |
| zhufl | I see | 09:33 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tempest+status:open | 09:33 |
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| gmann | these are open reviews in tempest ^^ | 09:33 |
| gmann | keep the good work as we are doing and keeping review frequency in good pace | 09:33 |
| gmann | anything on tempest side before moving to bug things | 09:34 |
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| jordanP | nope from me | 09:35 |
| gmann | ok let's move then | 09:35 |
| gmann | Bug Triage. | 09:35 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-qa-bug-triage | 09:36 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-weekly-bug-report | 09:36 |
| masayukig | #topic Bug Triage | 09:36 |
| gmann | seems like andreaf had this week | 09:36 |
| gmann | masayukig: thanks | 09:36 |
| masayukig | gmann : but it doesn't work.. :-o | 09:36 |
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| dmellado | heh | 09:37 |
| gmann | #topic Bug Triage | 09:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug Triage (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:37 | |
| gmann | :) | 09:37 |
| masayukig | :) | 09:37 |
| gmann | seems like we have 4 new bugs | 09:37 |
| gmann | ll check those | 09:37 |
| gmann | chandankumar: seems you have next week one ? | 09:37 |
| gmann | the last rotation for Ocata | 09:38 |
| gmann | and we will try to make NEW as 0 before we release Ocata | 09:38 |
| gmann | masayukig: whats the deal with this - https://github.com/oomichi/bug-counter#current-graph | 09:39 |
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| gmann | i feel we should start a bug dashbaord like other team. | 09:39 |
| gmann | what you guys thinks ? | 09:39 |
| masayukig | gmann : bug dashboard? | 09:40 |
| dmellado | I think it'd be a nice addition | 09:40 |
| dmellado | on top of openstack-helath, of course ;) | 09:40 |
| gmann | masayukig: like review dashboard kindda | 09:40 |
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| dmellado | btw, masayukig if you get the time at the PTG I'd like to talk with you about some possible enhancements :D | 09:40 |
| jordanP | what's a bug dashboard ? | 09:41 |
| gmann | dmellado: not o-h, i was thinking which tells us weekly progress and critical bugs and imp one very clearly | 09:41 |
| jordanP | a link ? | 09:41 |
| dmellado | gmann: could you post an example of an existing one? | 09:41 |
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| gmann | let me check | 09:41 |
| masayukig | like this http://status.openstack.org/bugday/ ? | 09:41 |
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| jordanP | we are at the bottom of the page already | 09:42 |
| gmann | humm | 09:42 |
| gmann | this is graph one, i was talking about other one | 09:43 |
| gmann | but ll take time to have example link | 09:43 |
| gmann | i will search and let you all know later | 09:43 |
| dmellado | gmann: maybe we can follow up on this on the m-l? | 09:43 |
| gmann | yea | 09:43 |
| masayukig | ok | 09:43 |
| gmann | #action gmann to check and ask bug dashboard feedback in team | 09:44 |
| gmann | #topic DevStack + Grenade | 09:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DevStack + Grenade (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:44 | |
| gmann | anything on devstack and grenade ? | 09:44 |
| gmann | seems nothing | 09:44 |
| gmann | #topic openstack-health | 09:44 |
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| gmann | masayukig: please go ahead | 09:44 |
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| masayukig | the angular1.6 issue was resolved, so, | 09:45 |
| jordanP | I asked myself yesterday 'when was the last devstack failure I faced on my laptop ?' And i can't remember, devstack is way more stable than 2 years ago | 09:45 |
| masayukig | the gate is now healthy :) | 09:45 |
| masayukig | jordanP : yeah | 09:45 |
| gmann | jordanP: cool. | 09:45 |
| gmann | masayukig: thanks for fixing and making gate good | 09:46 |
| gmann | masayukig: we have session on o-h feedback for PTG ? | 09:46 |
| gmann | i forgot if we have in list on etherpad | 09:46 |
| masayukig | gmann : heh, I did nothing, though. ah, yeah, | 09:46 |
| masayukig | gmann : looks good to me | 09:46 |
| gmann | may be quick sessions will be good to see what extra people expect from o-h | 09:47 |
| dmellado | jordanP: on devstack I guess there's more issue on the plugins than on the main devstack | 09:47 |
| dmellado | ;) | 09:47 |
| dmellado | I had an issue while using devstack + manila + sahara | 09:47 |
| dmellado | but only if I had the two plugins | 09:47 |
| jordanP | erf, yeah, I can imagine | 09:47 |
| gmann | dmellado: plugins never be perfect :) | 09:47 |
| gmann | we know tempest one also | 09:47 |
| gmann | ok, anything else masayukig ? | 09:48 |
| masayukig | nope, thanks :) | 09:48 |
| * gmann reminds 12 min left | 09:48 | |
| gmann | masayukig: thanks | 09:48 |
| gmann | #topic Patrole | 09:48 |
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| gmann | DavidPurcell: your turn.. | 09:48 |
| gmann | anything you want to discuss or highlight on Patrole | 09:49 |
| DavidPurcell | I'm actually handing the reins to blancos. I'm moving to a less active role in Patrole and she's taking over :) | 09:49 |
| gmann | cool | 09:49 |
| gmann | blancos: thanks | 09:49 |
| gmann | i will also start reviewing those as in Nova we are discussing about providing more roles on policy side | 09:50 |
| blancos | Glad to help contribute :) | 09:50 |
| gmann | so that operator need not to have their own written roles | 09:50 |
| gmann | and that will be good to tests in Patrole | 09:50 |
| DavidPurcell | You can use Patrole with default roles or custom ones. | 09:51 |
| * dmellado needs to leave early today, looking forward to meeting you guys soon! | 09:51 | |
| jordanP | hehe | 09:51 |
| gmann | trye | 09:51 |
| gmann | true | 09:51 |
| gmann | dmellado: thanks see u soon | 09:52 |
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| gmann | I really want to add HA project status here for fast progress | 09:52 |
| gmann | and think many people on production testing want that | 09:52 |
| jordanP | HA is hard to test.. | 09:53 |
| gmann | yea, but let's see how much we can failure scenario we can cover | 09:53 |
| jordanP | many people are testing that, good for them, if they want to start a new project upstream, good. But not in Tempest | 09:53 |
| gmann | yea that we already decided not in tempest and new project got go ahead in barcelona | 09:53 |
| gmann | but seems not much progress after that | 09:54 |
| masayukig | yeah | 09:54 |
| gmann | ok let's move as 5 min left | 09:54 |
| DavidPurcell | sure | 09:54 |
| gmann | #topic Critical Reviews | 09:54 |
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| gmann | any critical imp review from anyone | 09:54 |
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| gmann | ok let's move on open discussion | 09:55 |
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| gmann | #topic Open Discussion | 09:55 |
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| gmann | anything else people want to discuss | 09:56 |
| jlibosva | hi! o/ I'd like to raise awareness of this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1592345 | 09:56 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1592345 in tempest "Import of tempest.test has side-effect that config is parsed" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to chandan kumar (chkumar246) | 09:56 |
| jordanP | I was happy to have 2 strong candidates for the PTL position | 09:56 |
| jordanP | long time, valuable contributors | 09:56 |
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| gmann | jordanP: :) thanks | 09:56 |
| gmann | jlibosva: sure i will check tomorrow for sure | 09:56 |
| masayukig | jordanP : +++++++++ | 09:56 |
| jlibosva | basically it seems that importing tempest module parses CLI arguments and it blocks development of some in-tree tempest tests in Neutorn | 09:57 |
| DavidPurcell | jordanP: agreed! | 09:57 |
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| jlibosva | gmann: thanks! it's been there for a while | 09:57 |
| gmann | jlibosva: this seems confirmed ? any thing to discuss on this ? | 09:57 |
| jlibosva | gmann: I just wanted to raise it here as it seems to lack attention :) | 09:58 |
| jlibosva | discussion can happen on the launchpad I guess | 09:58 |
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| gmann | jlibosva: i see, ll check tomorrow and reply accordingly if anything needed otherwise push patch | 09:58 |
| jlibosva | gmann: thanks | 09:59 |
| gmann | we have 2 min left... | 09:59 |
| gmann | 1 | 09:59 |
| jordanP | jlibosva, I've just commented on the bug report | 09:59 |
| gmann | let's meet at Atlanta and all have safe flight. | 09:59 |
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| gmann | 3... | 09:59 |
| jordanP | yep, see you there | 09:59 |
| gmann | 2.. | 09:59 |
| gmann | 1. | 10:00 |
| gmann | thanks all | 10:00 |
| * gmann #endmeeting | 10:00 | |
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| gmann | #endmeeting | 10:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 9 10:00:23 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-02-09-09.00.html | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-02-09-09.00.txt | 10:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-02-09-09.00.log.html | 10:00 |
| chandankumar | thanks gmann for chairing the meeting | 10:00 |
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| gmann | chandankumar: np! | 10:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 9 14:00:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| efried | o/ | 14:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| macsz | Hello :) | 14:00 |
| gibi | o/ | 14:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 14:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hello everyone | 14:01 |
| BobBall | o/ | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am your guest meeting chair for today | 14:01 |
| BobBall | Hello John. | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | luckily for me our fearless leader has already done all the hard work and written out an agenda | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | so lets go for it | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Release News | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release News (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| johnthetubaguy | #link Ocata release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Ocata_Release_Schedule | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link Current RC2 TODOs: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ocata-rc1-todos | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info RC2 is due next Thursday 2/16 | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | so usual drill, lots of time triaging bugs | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets find the nasty ones | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | placement and cells are causing some packaging "fun" and have uncovered a few things already | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | the etherpad should let you know how things are going | 14:02 |
| edleafe | yay fun! | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so their testing appears to be working, good news! | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | any questions for folks about the process here? | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | take it steady approving patches that will make backports hard, till Ocata is out the door, ideally at least | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:04 | |
| johnthetubaguy | #link ocata-rc-potential bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=ocata-rc-potential | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | #help please make good use of the ocata-rc-potential tag for nasty things you spot | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | looks like the list is a bit small, if I am honest | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | which suggests either no one is testing it, we fixed everything already, or no one is looking at untriaged bugs, or a bit of all of those | 14:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link 3rd party CI status http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | anything folks wanted to cover? | 14:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Reminders | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:06 | |
| johnthetubaguy | so its that time, yes master is now pike | 14:06 |
| efried | Does that mean master branch -2s come off? | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | #help please note your spec and/or blueprint needs re-approving for pike | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | efried: so once its re-approved, you can ask for the -2 to get lifted | 14:07 |
| efried | rgr | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/process.html#how-do-i-get-a-procedural-2-removed-from-my-patch | 14:07 |
| efried | noyce | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | so for context, basically we review blueprints to see if we happened to be crazy when we last approved them | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | or if we have learnt more about the system since we last approved them | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats a thing more often than you would maybe expect | 14:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Stable branch status | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:09 | |
| johnthetubaguy | so, hows that all looking? | 14:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/newton,n,z | 14:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we are likely to cut a new one soon | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | so its a good time to help tidy the queue | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | lyarwood seems to be doing a good job in there, but (looks in mirror) seems like some other folks could do to take a peak in there too | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | #help don't forget about the stable branches, they look busy | 14:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/mitaka,n,z | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | less busy over there | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Subteam highlights | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Subteam highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:11 | |
| johnthetubaguy | so now is the time for me to stop typing I think | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | Cells v2 (dansmith) - no meeting this week, working on RC2 | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe ? | 14:11 |
| edleafe | No pressing reviews now that RC1 was out | 14:11 |
| edleafe | Discussed approaches to cleaning up excessive calls to placement | 14:11 |
| edleafe | Decided that we really need a full suite of functional tests to ensure that we don't introduce regressions while optimizing | 14:11 |
| edleafe | cdent and edleafe to start drawing up a list of such tests for the next meeting | 14:11 |
| edleafe | We also need to set sane goals for Pike. bauzas, macsz, and diga to start that process. | 14:11 |
| edleafe | that's it | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | there was no live-migration meeting | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I know there are some RC2 possible bugs on that etherpad | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | OISC test team are doing some benchmarking | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | turns out if you run loads of live-migrates, some of them fall over for no good reason | 14:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so I put some fixes up for that | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: ? | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | API | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | we spoke a lot about pike goals | 14:13 |
| alex_xu | we talk about Pike plan | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | turns out keystone has a policy meeting | 14:14 |
| alex_xu | the capabilities API and policy improvement are the things people interesting | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | I ended up going to that, and pulled in sdague with some of his ideas | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | coolness | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | Notification (gibi) - no meeting this week | 14:14 |
| gibi | yes | 14:14 |
| gibi | everything is calm | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | moshele: hows things in SR-IOV / PCI land | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess he is not here | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic PTG Planning | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG Planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:15 | |
| johnthetubaguy | #link Pike PTG planning: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-pike | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info The PTG agenda will be shaped up next week. | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | now is a good time to submit your ideas | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | last week was a better time I guess, but hey, thats in the past | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | I see now stuck reviews, so... | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open discussion | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:16 | |
| johnthetubaguy | not loads of us here, but anyone got anything? | 14:16 |
| cdent | moo | 14:16 |
| * edleafe has nuthin' | 14:17 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | best let you all get back to making RC2 more awesome than RC1 | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 14:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:18 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 9 14:18:14 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-02-09-14.00.html | 14:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-02-09-14.00.txt | 14:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-02-09-14.00.log.html | 14:18 |
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| kevinbenton | hello! | 22:02 |
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| armax | yello | 22:03 |
| kevinbenton | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 9 22:03:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kevinbenton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 22:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:03 |
| haleyb | hi | 22:03 |
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| kevinbenton | armax, ihrachys: anything critical to the release we need to talk about first? | 22:03 |
| armax | anything would be in here | 22:04 |
| armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=ocata-rc-potential | 22:04 |
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| armax | there’s the PTG to talk about as well | 22:05 |
| kevinbenton | ok, both of the critcals on there have patches in flight | 22:05 |
| kevinbenton | yeah, PTG is something I want to talk about next | 22:05 |
| ihrachys | but we can't land them, at least first one | 22:05 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: why not? | 22:05 |
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| ihrachys | gate failures, I have no details what specifically fails | 22:05 |
| kevinbenton | oh | 22:06 |
| ihrachys | but it's a string of rechecks in gerrit basically | 22:06 |
| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429095/ | 22:06 |
| kevinbenton | right | 22:06 |
| kevinbenton | i thought you meant something other than the recheck grind | 22:06 |
| ihrachys | nah, 'just' that thing | 22:06 |
| kevinbenton | :) | 22:06 |
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| kevinbenton | just the massive instability of the gate | 22:06 |
| armax | it looks like the worker tweaks I made only helped so much | 22:07 |
| kevinbenton | Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln? | 22:07 |
| ihrachys | http://www.themarysue.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/post-64231-this-is-fine-dog-fire-comic-Im-N7mp.png | 22:07 |
| kevinbenton | so shall we talk about the PTG now? | 22:08 |
| armax | let’s | 22:08 |
| ihrachys | sure, why not. though I see we three are the only participants :-x | 22:08 |
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| kevinbenton | #topic PTG | 22:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 22:09 | |
| kevinbenton | we basically don't have scheduled meetings this time, right? | 22:09 |
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| ihrachys | we don't, but I believe it's still better to have a time table with main topics | 22:09 |
| kevinbenton | yeah | 22:10 |
| armax | kevinbenton: do you know there’s an openstack-ptg channel? | 22:10 |
| kevinbenton | armax: no | 22:10 |
| armax | now you do | 22:10 |
| kevinbenton | armax: do we feed it the etherpad and it schedules it all for us? | 22:10 |
| armax | only cool kids hang in there | 22:10 |
| armax | I don’t think that’s what irc channels do | 22:11 |
| kevinbenton | what is the purpose of it? | 22:11 |
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| kevinbenton | is it for PTG participants, organizers or what? | 22:11 |
| ihrachys | "Discussion of the Project Teams Gathering and for use during the PTG for on-site announcements" | 22:11 |
| ihrachys | you are welcome | 22:11 |
| armax | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/110909.html | 22:12 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 22:12 |
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| kevinbenton | ihrachys: you had an etherpad you started of the grouped topics, right? | 22:13 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: do you want to put that here and talk about it? | 22:13 |
| armax | as an attendee of the PTG I would expect some organization of the PTG days | 22:13 |
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| armax | do we know the room layout? | 22:13 |
| ihrachys | yeah | 22:13 |
| ihrachys | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-pike-final | 22:13 |
| ihrachys | despite the name, it's not final | 22:13 |
| armax | whether we have separate tables etc? | 22:14 |
| ihrachys | and people are welcome to help setting it up, and ripping it off | 22:14 |
| armax | that’s a start | 22:14 |
| ihrachys | yes, it needs love, and it does not cover logistics | 22:14 |
| kevinbenton | armax: i'm not sure about the room layout. Should I ping Thierry to get that? | 22:15 |
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| armax | probably not necessary, I am sure there will be tables | 22:15 |
| armax | :) | 22:15 |
| armax | the layout can be made up on the fly if need be | 22:16 |
| armax | though we don’t want to mess up with extension cords etc | 22:16 |
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| kevinbenton | well tables might be problematic if we want everyone to listen in | 22:17 |
| armax | on this one | 22:17 |
| armax | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-pike-final | 22:17 |
| armax | we lost the list of attendees | 22:18 |
| ihrachys | I feel there is some leg work for kevinbenton to do. once we know the layout and setting, we can look if we e.g. can afford split discussions. now, we can talk about what's in the pad. | 22:18 |
| kevinbenton | i think ihrachys disinvited them | 22:18 |
| armax | and a link to the free format thingy | 22:18 |
| ihrachys | armax: not necessarily lost, it's in the prev version | 22:18 |
| haleyb | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-pike | 22:18 |
| ihrachys | I just haven't moved it | 22:18 |
| kevinbenton | yeah, there are some of these that probably don't need everyone to pile on | 22:18 |
| armax | there’s roughly 40 people signed up | 22:19 |
| ihrachys | and kevinbenton may need to do another swipe through the old pad to make sure we captured all latest updates | 22:19 |
| kevinbenton | we can schedule those concurrently with special projects meetups | 22:19 |
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| kevinbenton | yeah, i will carry stuff over | 22:19 |
| armax | I wonder how big are the rooms | 22:19 |
| kevinbenton | i'll wait until early next week to give a little more time | 22:19 |
| armax | and whether we’ll be able to fit all in the same place | 22:19 |
| kevinbenton | i know a few people just found out about the etherpad and were going to add a few points | 22:19 |
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| ihrachys | armax: what's the free format thingy? | 22:20 |
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| armax | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-pike+ | 22:20 |
| armax | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-pike | 22:20 |
| ihrachys | og you mean back-ref to the old pad? | 22:20 |
| ihrachys | ok | 22:20 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: you are planning on bailing Friday right? | 22:20 |
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| armax | I am out by lunch time | 22:21 |
| armax | give or take | 22:21 |
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| armax | but I am no longer the start of the room so that doesn’t matter :( | 22:21 |
| armax | *star | 22:21 |
| kevinbenton | armax: ok | 22:21 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: but you will need to be there for stadium discussions | 22:22 |
| armax | I won’t be landing in ATL until Monday morning | 22:22 |
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| armax | so I might skip some of the early morning session | 22:22 |
| kevinbenton | armax: to explain what the stadium is, etc. :) | 22:22 |
| armax | kevinbenton: totally | 22:22 |
| armax | I thought we were going to undo everything I did, no? | 22:22 |
| armax | new PTL, new regime | 22:22 |
| kevinbenton | kind of hard to undo nothing :) | 22:23 |
| kevinbenton | monday and tuesday are cross-projectish | 22:23 |
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| kevinbenton | should we try to sit down with nova folks then? | 22:23 |
| armax | totally | 22:24 |
| clarkb | I am told rooms are "hollow square" or "board room" with extra chairs for perimeter if needed. All rooms have tables | 22:24 |
| armax | clarkb: thanks, I wonder about capacity | 22:24 |
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| armax | clarkb: do you happen to know? | 22:24 |
| kevinbenton | we can have a repeat of vancouver :) | 22:25 |
| kevinbenton | pack 60 people into a room for 20 | 22:25 |
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| clarkb | the shared reservable projector rooms are fishbowl style and are the exception apparently | 22:25 |
| kevinbenton | clarkb: who has those ones? | 22:26 |
| clarkb | kevinbenton: they are shared and reservable in 30 minute chunks by any group. ttx sent email today wiht link to ethercalc page to do that | 22:26 |
| kevinbenton | clarkb: ah, cool | 22:26 |
| kevinbenton | so maybe we can make use of a couple of those for things like stadium discussion | 22:27 |
| clarkb | I am told neutron room is set for 52 with 10 extra chairs. "huge salon" | 22:27 |
| kevinbenton | oh | 22:27 |
| kevinbenton | that sounds like it would probably be big enough | 22:27 |
| ihrachys | which may mean hard to split? | 22:27 |
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| armax | https://ethercalc.openstack.org/Pike-PTG-Discussion-Rooms | 22:28 |
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| kevinbenton | is there anything else PTG related | 22:31 |
| kevinbenton | ? | 22:31 |
| armax | none from me | 22:31 |
| ihrachys | like topics covered? are we set on the list? anything missing? redundant? | 22:31 |
| kevinbenton | i will go over the list early next week and check for any new entries from the other one | 22:32 |
| kevinbenton | and we can finalize it next drivers meeting | 22:32 |
| armax | probably worth sending another email reminder to give people one more chance to chime in one more time | 22:32 |
| armax | same for the postmortem | 22:32 |
| kevinbenton | i'm going to add some comments for things i want clarification on | 22:32 |
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| ihrachys | ok, sounds fine | 22:32 |
| armax | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425990/ | 22:32 |
| kevinbenton | ok, i'll send out an email for each after the meeting | 22:33 |
| kevinbenton | Do we want to move onto some RFE reviews? | 22:34 |
| kevinbenton | or just wait until after PTG? | 22:34 |
| armax | I have not had the chance to scan the list | 22:35 |
| armax | but there was something interesting that captured my attention yesterday | 22:35 |
| armax | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421961/ | 22:35 |
| armax | and bug 1658682 | 22:36 |
| openstack | bug 1658682 in neutron "port-security can't be disabled if security groups are not enabled" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1658682 | 22:36 |
| armax | the former is about something nonsensical we had in our code for ages | 22:36 |
| armax | the other is about a config knob that alters API behavior | 22:36 |
| armax | both should be looked at, IMO | 22:36 |
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| armax | and tangential one is bug 1633280 | 22:37 |
| openstack | bug 1633280 in neutron "[RFE]need a way to disable anti-spoofing rules and yet keep security groups" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1633280 | 22:37 |
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| kevinbenton | one at a time! :) | 22:38 |
| kevinbenton | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421961/ | 22:38 |
| kevinbenton | so i just read that one | 22:38 |
| kevinbenton | armax: when you say "lets fix it" | 22:39 |
| kevinbenton | armax: do you mean change the API definition? | 22:39 |
| kevinbenton | armax: or fix the plugins to support it? | 22:39 |
| armax | I guess changing the API would be non-bw compat | 22:39 |
| armax | but right now rejecting the request is the same thing | 22:39 |
| armax | can’t recall if allow_put=False returns 400 or forbidden | 22:40 |
| armax | kevinbenton: either, or | 22:40 |
| kevinbenton | right, we might end up with a different error code | 22:40 |
| armax | keeping the raise function, and furthermore have it in neutron-lib seems the wrong thing to do | 22:40 |
| kevinbenton | maybe we should just fix the plugins... | 22:41 |
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| kevinbenton | for ML2 it's not that unreasonable i don't think | 22:41 |
| kevinbenton | now that we have the segments plugin | 22:42 |
| kevinbenton | it's effectively a segment delete and create | 22:42 |
| armax | kevinbenton: actually it’s the same error code | 22:42 |
| armax | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron/tree/neutron/api/v2/base.py#n721 | 22:42 |
| armax | different message though | 22:42 |
| kevinbenton | yeah | 22:43 |
| armax | I am ok either way | 22:43 |
| kevinbenton | but I think we should move away from it | 22:43 |
| kevinbenton | i agree it shouldn't be in neutron-lib | 22:43 |
| armax | I am simply opposed to kick the can down the road | 22:43 |
| kevinbenton | we shouldn't encourage skipping a feature | 22:43 |
| ihrachys | agreed on neutron-lib change being incorrect either way; as for the solution, ideally we would make it work without api change, but realistically, we could as well squeeze that small change into the map; and leave it up for an RFE to allow updates, at which point we would flip allow_put back. | 22:44 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: but why put that in the API def? | 22:44 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: a plugin could work with it now | 22:44 |
| armax | I think boden was simply moving code around to avoid dependency on neutron import | 22:45 |
| ihrachys | if we think there can be a plugin that supports it, yeah, then it makes sense to just implement the damned thing | 22:45 |
| kevinbenton | yeah, i would rather push that way | 22:46 |
| kevinbenton | file a bug saying ML2 is broken because it raises :) | 22:46 |
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| armax | it’s not just ml2 | 22:46 |
| kevinbenton | bug 1658682 | 22:46 |
| openstack | bug 1658682 in neutron "port-security can't be disabled if security groups are not enabled" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1658682 | 22:46 |
| kevinbenton | armax: i know, but if ml2 goes that way, we can encourage others to follow | 22:46 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: so it sounds like there is some validation that needs to be fixed here | 22:48 |
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| kevinbenton | at a minimum | 22:49 |
| armax | right, but if we had no way to disable security groups from a config point of view | 22:49 |
| armax | the bug would go away, wouldn’t it? | 22:49 |
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| kevinbenton | yeah, but that kills a use case from what i can see | 22:50 |
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| kevinbenton | they don't want filtering by default | 22:50 |
| kevinbenton | inbound to instances | 22:50 |
| armax | by having port_security = False and no security groups on the port that should do it , no? | 22:51 |
| kevinbenton | maybe we need to take the configurable default security groups horse back out for a beating | 22:51 |
| kevinbenton | no, they want the protection from port security by default | 22:51 |
| kevinbenton | with no security groups | 22:51 |
| armax | then have —no-security-groups and port-security=True | 22:51 |
| kevinbenton | and then to disable port security "on a few ports" | 22:51 |
| kevinbenton | what is --no-security-groups? | 22:52 |
| kevinbenton | oh | 22:52 |
| kevinbenton | on every port create | 22:52 |
| armax | that’s the CLI option | 22:52 |
| kevinbenton | but that requires user behavior change | 22:52 |
| armax | to clear secgroups | 22:52 |
| armax | as it is that’s not great, | 22:53 |
| armax | we probably need to turn the config option into API driver behavior? dunno | 22:53 |
| kevinbenton | basically it's operator configurable security groups | 22:53 |
| kevinbenton | default | 22:53 |
| armax | but personally I don’t like that | 22:53 |
| kevinbenton | with one option, "allow all" | 22:53 |
| kevinbenton | anyway, i think this validation should go away anyway "Cannot disable port security or ip address until security group is removed" | 22:54 |
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| ihrachys | let the horse (configurable default groups) die in peace, it's not going to run, it's a breach in cloud compatibility. | 22:55 |
| kevinbenton | yeah, i think we will just need to leave this config option and fix port security validation | 22:56 |
| kevinbenton | to work in this case | 22:56 |
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| trevormc | hi all, sorry to interrupt, I added an rfe this week bug 1662650 I'm just making sure I'm following the rfe process. Next step is "neutron-drivers team acknowledges the bug" ? | 22:57 |
| openstack | bug 1662650 in neutron "[RFE] Accelerating SR-IOV with DPDK" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662650 | 22:57 |
| ihrachys | indeed that should be easier to sell than option deprecation | 22:57 |
| armax | so you don’t want to kill the config option or not? | 22:57 |
| kevinbenton | armax: i'm not sure we can | 22:57 |
| armax | I am not sure I understood what you want to do | 22:57 |
| kevinbenton | trevormc: yep, you did. we're missing a chunk of the drivers team and the PTG is around the corner so we aren't talking about new RFE's this week | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | armax: leave the config option alone | 22:58 |
| trevormc | ok thx | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | armax: fix the validation logic to allow port security to be shut off | 22:58 |
| armax | I disagree, but ok | 22:59 |
| ihrachys | 1 min | 22:59 |
| kevinbenton | well they don't want security groups API in their cloud | 22:59 |
| kevinbenton | we could deprecate i suppose | 23:00 |
| kevinbenton | but that will be a battle | 23:00 |
| kevinbenton | okay | 23:00 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton: do we allow other apis to be selected for ml2 like that? | 23:00 |
| kevinbenton | talk more outside | 23:00 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: unfortunately. it's upsetting | 23:00 |
| ihrachys | anyway, it's not necessarily discussion for the bug | 23:00 |
| armax | that’s not why the knob was introduced though | 23:00 |
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| kevinbenton | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 9 23:00:30 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-02-09-22.03.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-02-09-22.03.txt | 23:00 |
| armax | it was for days when nova-network was around | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-02-09-22.03.log.html | 23:00 |
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